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Speaker 1: So today we have an article from the Sydney Morning Herald,

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and this article is going to discuss the documentaries that

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have come out recently about Jeffrey Epstein and his criminal organization.

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Those documentaries obviously are Filthy Rich and Who Killed Jeffrey Epstein.

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Now I'm sure everybody who is listening to this podcast

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has watched both of those already. If you have not,

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I highly suggest you do, you're not going to learn

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anything new. But again, you know how I feel about

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context and adding a little bit more meat to the bone.

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So today's article is going to talk about both of

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those documentaries. And this article is from the Sydney Morning Herald,

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and the headline is Life of Jeffrey Epstein leaves viewer

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feeling grubby, queasy and angry. That headline right there certainly

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is a bullseye, because that's the emotion it elicits from

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people who watch these documentaries, especially people who come in

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unaware as to what was really going on. They watch

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these documentaries and their head starts to spin and they

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start to ask themselves all of the questions that you

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asked yourself when you first heard all of this, and

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the cycle continues. But now people are starting to become

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a lot more aware of exactly what Jeffrey Epstein was,

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exactly what Jeffrey Epstein and his co conspirators were up to,

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and they are also becoming aware that, like usual, they

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have been misled by those in power. This article was

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authored by Debbie Anker. The life of billionaire Jeffrey Epstein

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Pedophile was laden with luxury. He owned a multi story

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townhouse in Manhattan, an apartment in Paris, a ranch in

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New Mexico, an island in the Caribbean, a private jet.

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Yet for all its opulence, Epstein's were was an ugly place,

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a corrupt and exploitive environment where girls were routinely sexually abused.

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Spending time in the world of the financier pedophile, as

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two recent documentaries do, is likely to leave a viewer

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feeling grubby, queasy and angry. Look, there is zero doubt

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that if you had no idea who or what Jeffrey

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Epstein is or was, and then you got a full

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frontal the way that some of these documentaries are leading

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people in, of course, it's going to shock the senses

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right to any normal person. This sort of thing is

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just beyond the pale how something like this could have occurred,

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how he got off, how these girls were continuously treated

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like shit by the system.

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Speaker 2: See, folks, because most people are decent, right.

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Speaker 1: I refuse to believe that everybody or a majority of

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people out there are evil or just.

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Speaker 2: Don't care or anything like that. I don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: What I do believe is that people are caught up

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in their own lives most of the time and they

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don't know what's going on around them if it doesn't

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directly affect them. So once they get hit in the

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face with something like this and their eyes open, I

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think most people care. And that's where again we have

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to throw a shot at the legacy media. It is

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their job to educate the masses about these kind of situations.

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It is their job to make sure the public understands

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just exactly what is going on and just exactly what

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is at stake. But they can't find the time to

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do that.

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Speaker 2: Ever. Instead, they have to get it.

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Speaker 1: They have to be involved in the tribalism, They have

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to be involved in the political nonsense as opposed to

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exposing the biggest child trafficking ring perhaps in the United

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States history, at the very least the most high profile,

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but Jeffrey Epstein Filthy Rich on Netflix and Who Killed

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Jeffrey Epstein on the ID Channel, two quite different productions,

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also demonstrate why streaming services have become such an important

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home for documentaries.

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Speaker 2: That's true too.

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Speaker 1: I've talked about this a lot on the podcast about

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how social media and these new platforms are huge tools

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to use in cases like this because what it does

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is it exposes people who might not otherwise have been

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exposed to what's the information that is within the documentary

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or around the case. Because again, the legacy media does

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not do their job. So what happens People swoop in

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and they fill the void. Right, you have independent content creators,

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you have filmmakers, you have writers, etc.

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Speaker 2: Etc.

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Speaker 1: That fill the void and do the job of the

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legacy media. Can you imagine if the legacy media pay

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this story the attention that it deserved, how many people

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would be enraged. Epstein died in August last year, soon

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after being taken from a cell in New York's Metropolitan

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Correctional Center, the official verdict being suicide allegedly, Yet his

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story lives on, and not just because the circumstances of

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his death have proved fertile ground for conspiracy theories. Well,

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let me ask you a question. Okay, how is it

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a conspiracy theory to demand answers when none are forthcoming?

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How is it a conspiracy theory when two guards fall

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asleep while they're on duty, the camera is pointed at

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the wrong tier, the camera does not record what it's

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supposed to record, the evidence ends up missing. How is

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that a conspiracy theory? That is not a conspiracy theory.

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What we have here, folks, is a cover up. The

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sordid story has a range of reliability, intriguing elements, reliably

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intriguing elements, sex class and powerful people. It's also about

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the protective cloak.

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Speaker 2: That money can buy.

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Speaker 1: And again when we talk about just scratching the surface,

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that is exactly what a statement like that is. Because sure,

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money definitely played a part here. Wealth definitely played a

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part here. But what really played a part was influence.

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What really played the biggest part, the most significant part

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here was the peddling of information. Remember, the most important

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currency to these people is information. As both shows at test,

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the Moneyman was a master manipulator who wormed his way

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into the upper echelons of business and society. With well

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connected English socialite, co conspirator, co abuser Gelaane Maxwell by

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his side. Despite a conviction in Florida in two thousand

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and eight for procuring an underage girl for prostitution doesn't

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even exist, an underage girl cannot consent, etc.

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Speaker 2: Etc.

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Speaker 1: And allegations of financial misdeeds, he hobnobbed with political leaders

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and corporate barons, with scientific, academic and technology chiefs, and

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with a prince who enjoyed his hospitality and largesse.

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Speaker 2: Yeh, Jeffrey Epstein had a very very very.

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Speaker 1: Large and vast circle of very powerful people who moved

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within its hallways. Jeffrey Epstein was considered a friend by

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these people. Jeffrey Epstein was invited to all the functions

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with these people. And these people are going to act

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like they had no idea what was going on. Even

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after the fact that the man was arrested the first

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time and charged with what he was charged with, these

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people still opened the door and invited him back to

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polite society. Guys like Jess Staley, Guys like Les Wexner,

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Guys like Glenn Dubin. All of these people played a

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part in bringing Epstein back into so called polite society,

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without any of the stink of his crimes left on him.

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They acted as for Breeze basically. Meanwhile, with the help

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of accomplices, including Maxwell, who disappeared after his arrest, he

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lured girls and young women to his home with offers

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of payment for massages, sometimes sweetened by promises of educational

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or employment opportunities. And that's the carrot that was always dangled, right,

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these young girls from disadvantaged homes, broken homes, bad bad situations. Well,

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the carrot that was dangled in front of them was, hey,

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we'll help you get a better job, or hey we'll

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help you get educated, We'll help you get out of

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that piss poor environment that you're in. But just you know,

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come along with us and do what we say. And

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of course, these young disadvantaged girls they're saying to themselves, Hey,

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this might be my out. I finally have a way

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to get out of this madness and make my life better.

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So they go with Jeffrey Epstein, they go with Glayne Maxwell,

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they go with Sarah Kellen Vickers, whoever it may be.

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They get to Epstein's house and the grooming process begins,

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and before you know it, they think that that's just

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the way things are in that kind of environment and

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that sort of society, so they just go right along

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with it. And that is exactly the Jeffrey Epstein plan,

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blueprint is obvious here. Many of these girls were vulnerable.

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A predator hunts for the weakest, says lawyer Spencer Couvin,

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who represents women that Epstein molested. And that's always the

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case with people like this. These people like Jeffrey Epstein,

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they know they can't do this to one of their

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banker friend's daughters, right because well, there would be repercussions.

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But the poor people, people that they look at as

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less then, well, we're just chattled to them.

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Speaker 2: We're not even human beings.

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Speaker 1: So why would it elicit any sort of any sort

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of remorse on their part for molesting these girls or

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hurting these girls, Because again, remember, folks, we're not dealing

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with normal people here.

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Speaker 2: We're dealing with people who.

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Speaker 1: Are operating in a world of narcissism and a world

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of hubris that we cannot even begin to imagine. Inspired

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by the book by James Patterson, the aptly titled Filthy Rich,

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succinctly illustrates the class divide with a bridge that literally

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separates the haves from the have nots. And again, if

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you have not grown up poor, if you haven't grown

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up in the shadow of wealth hanging over you while

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you live in squalor, then you don't understand. I can't

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explain it to you. I cannot explain to you what

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it's like. But when you don't have anything and you

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see all of these people with stuff, and then you

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have an opportunity to perhaps join their ranks, it is

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an opportunity that you cannot pass up. And these young girls,

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that was the dangling carrot for them, and it was

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a very very powerful tool for Jeffrey Epstein and Gilain Maxwell,

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and it remains a.

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Speaker 2: Powerful tool for these other.

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Speaker 1: Networks that are still in operation, that are still being

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run brazenly. On the island of Palm Beach in Florida,

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the wealthy live and waterfront mansions across the Blue Heron Bridge,

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and as local writer Carl Hyason notes, a world away

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in West Palm Beach is a working class community of

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run down houses and trailer parks where many of the

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girls lived.

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Speaker 2: And these people.

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Speaker 1: Knew that it was going to be a lot easier

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to manipulate these these girls from disadvantaged homes as opposed

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to a girl from say a solid middle class, upper

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middle class background or some one of their golfing buddy

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type friends. Right, that's not going to happen because you

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don't have the carrot to dangle them at them. They

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don't need your money, so why would they come over

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and massage You're disgusting old ass. So again it is

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poor people who are once poor people who are once

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again used as nothing more than pawns.

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Speaker 2: For the elite.

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Speaker 1: The documentaries differ notably in approach and style. Who Killed

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Jeffrey Epstein is tabloid TV fair that feels like it's

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yelling at you. It introduces itself with the narrator's declaration

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that this is the most twisted story of the decade.

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Its true crime scenario presented in a blaring, breathless tone, sensationalized,

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adorned with thumping music, featuring repetitive recapping after anticipated ad breaks,

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and dramatized recreation sequences. When interviewees describe the dire conditions

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at the prison where Epstein was incarcerated, we are showing

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images of rats, scuffling down a dank corridor. And again, folks,

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I don't buy any of that, by the way, Okay,

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as bad as the MCC is condition wise, it's not

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like this is a place where suicides are happening on

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a regular basis, especially where Jeffrey Epstein was being held.

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So don't let them push that narrative down your throat.

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Speaker 2: It makes me.

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Speaker 1: Mad when they act like suicide is just such a

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common thing at MCC. Sure, it's relatively it happens relatively

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often in the federal prison system as a whole, But

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at the MCC, it's just not true. It's not something

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we see on a regular basis at the MCC. Made

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is a three part series for cable TV, but screening

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here at feature length. It charts Epstein's career in finance,

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the moneyed men he'd worked for, and network he built.

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It then moves on to the views about his death,

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airing theories about him being a spy and possessing audio

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and video recordings of people's indiscretions that that could be

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used for blackmail.

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Speaker 2: Well, we know that's a fact.

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Speaker 1: We know for a fact that Jeffrey Epstein was compiling

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dossier's on people. We know that he was compiling information

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on people, and we know what he told Virginia to

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do while she was doing what he made her do.

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angle of this is true. And we also know that

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he was not working in a vacuum. He wasn't just

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compiling these dossiers. They were doing something with them. And

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where this information going, where this information would end up, well,

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that is the million dollar question. That is where the

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speculation comes in. But from where I'm sitting, there is

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only one possible answer to that. And my friends, it

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is a three letter organization that has its fingers and

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many pies. And just look around the world and wherever

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something is going south, you can be sure the CIA

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is not far behind. A couple of forensic pathologists find

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that his fatal injuries were consistent with homicide rather than suicide,

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and that there has been a lot of questions surrounding that. Right,

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all we have is the state coming out and giving

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us their report right what they said happen. Meanwhile, they

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haven't shown any evidence to back it up. It's just

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once again, like Bill Barr says, well just believe what

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I have to tell you in reality and in the

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real world, none of us are willing to do that

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at this point.

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Speaker 2: The fore part Filthy Rich, Excuse Me?

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Speaker 1: The fore part Filthy Rich features a range of people

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who do not appear in the other production, from women

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abused by Epstein to police, journalists, authors, and lawyers involved

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with the case. By Lisa Bryant, it issues the Excuse

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Me a sensational tone as it quietly clinically constructs its portrait.

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And the Filthy Rich documentary, as you know, is a

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lot of it is testimony from some of the survivors,

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and that's what makes it such a powerful documentary.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, Filthy Rich was much better than Who

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Killed Jeffrey Epstein and much more of a resource for

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people who are just getting involved with the case.

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Speaker 2: So, as I've.

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Speaker 1: Stated earlier, I believe that Filthy Rich most certainly did

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what it's set out to do by being a basic

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entry point for people who have not really followed this case.

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A large part of its focus is on the women

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who Epstein abused, identifying them as survivors rather than victims.

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That's right, because that's what they are. They are survivors,

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not victims, and I'm glad that all these other outlets

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are starting to fall into line and starting to take

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notice of the proper a labeling of these gals.

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Speaker 2: They aren't victims anymore.

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Speaker 1: They are now survivors, courageous survivors who are fighting back

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with everything in their arsenal to bring justice down around

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the heads of these disgusting animals who abuse them for

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so long, and who were protected by the media and

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some in the government. It allows space for their stories

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to be told and their voices to be heard. Their

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pain is palpable as they detail their fears, regrets, anguish

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and shame. They are both courageous and fragile. Some reveal

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lifelong damage. Well, even the ones who don't reveal it, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sure have very very, very very.

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Speaker 1: Dark thoughts at times, because you can't live through trauma

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like this and have it not reoccurred in your dreams

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and subconsciously come back. And that's why something like this

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is so horrible. That's why something like this cannot go unchallenged.

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That's why people like Epstein and Guilaine Maxwell and Jean

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Luke Brunel and the rest of them must.

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Speaker 2: Be brought to justice.

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Speaker 1: Possibly as there's no narration to deploy as a linking device.

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There are too many cliched shots of various women staring

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out to see, but the anger they convey is justified

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because it took so long for any kind of justice

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to be achieved. Negotiated by a brigade of high profile lawyers,

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the two thousand and eight Miami conviction is persuasively and

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shockingly depicted as a sweetheart deal after Epstein was arrested

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last year in New Jersey. His death robbed the women

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of their chance to confront him in court. Depict it

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as a sweetheart deal. I got news for you, Sidney

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Morning Herald. This was the sweetheart deal of all sweetheart deals.

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This is the kind of deal that the mafia would

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have gotten in the old days, if they would have

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had a couple of jurors over the barrel. You don't

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get this kind of deal just by negotiating. There is

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a lot more here, and until we can see those

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Grand Jerry records, until we can see what truly occurred,

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than I am still never ever going to believe the

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official narrative. They need to prove it at this point.

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Filthy Rich helps to illustrate why documentaries have become such

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a key yet unexpected part of the streaming revolution, which

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has granted them a new lease on life. One of

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the early surprises of SVOD viewing patterns was not that

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people were flocking to big budget show pieces such as

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The Crown, but the popularity of back catalog series such

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as Friends and The Office. Now, the nonfiction area is

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also proving a rich scene, especially valuable at a time

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when documentaries have been rare on free TV, with feature

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length productions virtually non existent. And that's definitely true too,

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because documentaries play a huge part in cases like this

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in my opinion. You know, just look at the ones

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that have come out prior to Filthy Rich and look

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at the interest they drummed up, and then in turn,

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look at the court cases that started again because of

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these documentaries. You see, at the end of the day,

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we have to remember, folks, we have the power.

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Speaker 2: It is up to us, not them.

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Speaker 1: They work for us. So if we exert the proper

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amount of pressure, if we hit the accelerator at the

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right time, and we make our voices heard, it'll be

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a real difficult challenge for them to ignore all of us.

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One gnat, you can swat them away ten million gnats. Well,

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now you find yourself suffocating already this year we've been

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treated to cleverly constructed and compelling series such as The

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Test Amazon Prime and The Last Dance on Netflix. Filthy

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have allowed documentary makers the money and the latitude to

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display their accomplishment as storytellers. And again, Filthy Rich has

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its ups and downs. Right, there's things about Filthy Rich

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that I would have changed. But at the same time

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I understand that with a mere four hours roughly to

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tell the story, they had to be pretty locked into

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what they wanted to get out there. They couldn't be

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veering off in other directions and leaving things, you know,

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threads untied, et cetera, et cetera. So for what Filthy

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Rich is and for what it's set out to accomplish,

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I truly believe it has done a fantastic job.

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Speaker 2: Just look at all the new interest in the case.

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That alone is worth.

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Speaker 1: Its weight in gold in my opinion, because again, the

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more people involved, the louder our voice becomes, and the

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harder justice will be.

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Speaker 2: To not happen.

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Speaker 1: Right, It'll be harder for them to deny justice to

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these girls. If everybody is up in arms about this,

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the only way that we can hold them accountable is

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by holding those in power that we've elected or have

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been put in power by those we elected, accountable as well.

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And if that means voting out everybody who is ever

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involved in something like this, then I say that's what

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we do, because personally, I would have a hard time

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voting for anybody ever involved with Jeffrey Epstein at this point.

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That's how disgusted that I am by this whole entire thing.

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That's how disgusting the whole entire thing is. And to

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be honest with you, look behind the curtain into the

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dark room of what is truly going on at the

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highest levels of power leaves me sick to my stomach.

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But the contents of that room need to be laid

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bare for everybody to see, because unless this story is

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brought to the public, unless the veil of secrecy is

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lifted from the whole entire thing, then these sort of

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operations are just going to continue, and later on down

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the road there will be another Jeffrey Epstein, and the

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whole entire cycle will repeat itself once again.

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Speaker 2: If you'd like to.

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Speaker 1: Contact me, you could do that at Bobbycapucci at Protonmeil

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dot com. That's bo b b Y c ap u

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Cci at protonmel dot com. You can also find me

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on Twitter at bo bby Underscore c ap u Cci.

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Speaker 2: All right, folks,