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let's talk about stat segment now. Welcome in Jeff Buller.
He's one of the contributors here, and my god, Jeff,
how we doing, brother?
Speaker 3: Hey doing great? How's it going? Run?
Speaker 2: Hey doing good? Thanks for joining us on this Saturday edition.
Before we get into the numbers, I just want to
talk some ball with you.
Speaker 1: Obviously.
Speaker 2: What have you liked about by US basketball play heading
into to March? Madis it seems like they've found that
third identity after multiple injuries?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, what a season.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's obviously not what most of us expected
and hoped for in our in our dreams, you know,
with the best roster ever, the highest preseason ranking ever.
Speaker 3: But you know, life, life.
Speaker 4: Happens, as they say, and you know, the injuries, the
smaller ones sort of accumulated, and then some bigger ones
to Dawson and and uh just lost key contributors. And
I think we all felt it when Richie went down.
You know, no are we are we even gonna make
the tournament or are we just gonna, you know, be
one and done. But yeah, it's been great to see,
you know, the the effort, the coaches sort of pivot,
and I like what Kevin Young said, he had to
get less coachy and more you know, motivator and just
dumb it down. I guess you could say, to make
it so that they could, you know, know their assignments
better and just play full effort. And yeah, I'm I'm
obviously the ceiling is lower a little bit, the floor
is quite a bit lower. Unfortunately without Richie, you know,
he was just the glue and you know, rarely did
we have a bad game even if someone else was off,
just because Richie could fill in the gaps. But I
heard the last segment with Robbie that you guys just had,
and I agree, there's there's a solid chance they make
the second weekend.
Speaker 1: There's definitely a solid chance. That was gonna ask you
that question.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're you're listening so and in because that's
exactly what I was gonna gonna go with. Do you
think Gonzaga is that most favoral three seat that could
play or would you like to see it maybe match
up again with Nebraska, but not an exhibition and go
at it.
Speaker 1: For real this time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Nebraska, they're they're a team that's really
relying on the three Uh so you sort of, you know,
pick your poison. I guess if they're hot, they're gonna
be hard to beat. If they're not, it could be
a blowout like Wisconsin. You know, they sort of seem
a lot like Wisconsin to me. Nebraska. I don't know
if it's the color and big big ten schools or what,
but uh, you know, we we blew out Wisconsin when
they were off, but we've also seen Wisconsin when they're hot,
they're you know, beat Michigan, they've they what they just beat, uh,
Illinois yesterday, So you know, Wisconsin, that's that wins looking
better and better, and we just blew them out when
they're they were off on their three pointer. Gonzaga, you know,
we got all that history and it would be in
their in their home court essentially. I don't like that
matchup as much as Nebraska, but well, we'll see.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 2: As a fan, though, come on, don't don't lie to me, Jeff,
and you never would. But keep it a buck b Yu.
Gonzaga in Portland, their home turf Bau fansies still have
a good crowd. You knock them off, you send them packing.
No more w c C for them, and they look,
we were validated. See we didn't need the w c C.
Tell me that wouldn't hit home for you as a
fan after all the nightmares of Gonzaga.
Speaker 1: Back of the day.
Speaker 4: Ah yeah, I mean they they were. They were the
kings of the Castle for that decade plus. We were there.
There's no doubt about that. And they still are. I
mean a lead basketball team. Great, you know, great coach,
you know it's they're hard to beat. And you know
there's you never what is it death Texas and Gonzaga
and the Sweet sixteenth. So I wouldn't want to see
that matchup.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not many of us would, but it would feed
families for sure.
Speaker 1: Jeff, question for you here.
Speaker 5: You know you mentioned earlier, you know the expectation, the
ceiling probably isn't as high as it was earlier in
the season for you. What would be what you have
to do here in the tournament for the season to
be considered a success.
Speaker 3: I mean it, I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean success preseason was you know, making the Elite
eate at least. So I'm hard pressed to see us
getting there. I'd love love to so, but I think
in most fans doing through the lens of what's happened
and you know, losing Richie and et cetera. I think
I think if we win a game, most fans will
be you know, okay, if we fight and barely miss
the Sweet sixteen, it'll it'll be ah, what could have been?
Speaker 3: Season?
Speaker 4: You know, we're not gonna be joyous, of course, but
I don't. I don't think anyone's gonna be getting out
the pitchforks and torches and uh going after Kevin Young
or anyone else. So I think we're we'll be an
understanding fan base.
Speaker 2: No, they're gonna be fans if he loses the Gonzaga
that are gonna get out the pitchforks. See still cursed,
can't believe it. There's gonna be a few. There's weirdos, Zach.
I'm glad you described that they're weirdos. So appreciate you
guys who are weirdos that are listening to the program.
But you are weird because I know you're out there.
I'm gonna ben or I are gonna get a text,
or someone's gonna talk about it. Of that shouldn't lost
to Gonzaga, someone's gonna be mad. I'm telling you, it's
gonna happen. It's gonna have there. I think they'll be them,
but but they're gonna get matched.
Speaker 5: Up and.
Speaker 3: We all we offend it.
Speaker 4: It means fanatic fanatic use reason, Look.
Speaker 1: Fanatic lose reason. You're not wrong.
Speaker 2: Last question that we'll get into some of the stats
today brought to you by Powerhouse Training, Power Stranding Today. Uh,
the led court, tell me your thoughts on seeing it
is a lot of slippage. Obviously Brett Yormark took the
feedback and change it. Uh, you listened to an interview
with Robie maccomes. They're gonna lose money probably on the
contract for that, but I think they did the right
thing because Christian Anderson, uh and all American got hurt.
Speaker 1: But give me your thoughts just on on the court.
As a fan watching.
Speaker 4: It, Yeah, I mean very very cool. Apparently it was
better in person than on TV. I thought it was
pretty cool on TV. Some of my my.
Speaker 3: Little kids loved it.
Speaker 4: When you know the the court lit up after a j'sdunk,
you know. Uh, they they don't really like to watch
basketball or sports match, but that sort of caught their attention.
So maybe maybe it's a play towards a younger generation.
But yeah, I mean maybe it's the future. Maybe the
shoe technology needs to match the court. Maybe you have
you know, led court shoes that that can prevent that
slip page without adding to you know, injury risks. But
I don't, I don't. I don't really fault big, you know,
for your mark if he's trying to earn us some
money and get get a few more eyeballs there. I
did notice a lot more national reporters chose the Big
twelve tournament this year over a lot of the other tournament.
Speaker 3: Why I thought that was?
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, higher, higher feeling all that. That freshman class.
You know, we got what four of the top six
or seven? Oh, I just said it. Uh uh draft picks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you set it out there. You said, how dare
you you heard us not trying to say it? Jeff?
Why did you give the kids what they wanted?
Speaker 2: The speakers here at Powerhouse stranding, here at west Of
High School.
Speaker 1: I got a kid doing I was just kidding.
Speaker 2: I'm joking. Uh No, it's all jokes. But no, you
you bring up a good point. Matt Norlander was there.
Matt Norland was there twice in provo by the way
you got Jeff Goodman of the field of eighty field.
Speaker 1: What is it US six four? Like all of the
eight sorry I said sixty four. They should it should
be the field of sixty four, not the field of
sixty eight. But that's We're not going to go off
on my thing.
Speaker 3: Eventually it's looking.
Speaker 2: Like, well see, that's the reason why I said sixty
four is I had an argument last night with someone
about it expanding. I'm like, it should not expand stop that.
You know we got all this expansion. I get it anyway.
You know, either you're in or you're in. There's no
play to get in. No uh either either quitting Irish
or your b YU in the discussion that all the
jokes asigned. But no, yeah, Jeff Goodman, the field of
sixty eight was there multiple people? Obviously ESPN you got
Jay Williams isn't there, but you got Sean Farnham, who's
there friend for Scilla and obvious those guys are ESPN broadcasting.
But those are some of the best in the business.
Speaker 4: Not even I think I think, I'm not sure, but
even some of the football game guys like uh Andy
Staples and uh and.
Speaker 1: R Wasston both are there as one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they wanted to see the court. They
wanted to you know, they liked the Big twelve eat,
so some of the things they're doing with the tournament
to and they also invited the media down to the
floor again. You know, you pushed him up in the
rafters or the hockey box or whatever the last couple
of years, and so that that was a bad play
from the start. But I think he's, yeah, mending some
wounds there.
Speaker 1: No, he definitely is.
Speaker 2: Last year they had that switched and there was definitely
some complaints because the year before people were court side
and marchin Maddis they put you court side. They allow
television and beat writers for people to do that, and
it's great. I was at the game in Newark last
year where I saw that and look Andy Stables and
Ari and a bunch of other people there obviously for
Duke and I could assume the same. And you have
to think, Jeff, if if b Yu beats skin Zagaz
in the sweet sixteen against Michigan State in San Jose,
and I said this right, it's California and people of
California right, and just want to give the folks. A
reminder per Leonardi's you know bracketology of where those games
would be. Yet the final excuse me, the Elite eight
sites Chicago in the Midwest.
Speaker 1: That's a great one.
Speaker 2: Obviously, East Coast or East Region would be Washington, DC,
south of Houston, Texas and west of San Jose, California.
You have to think it BYU is able to knock
off Michigan State. That might be tough for Michigan State
to travel from Buffalo, New York. I know their East
Coast team all the way to the West coast, two
time zones, and Ba's already in the West. If that
would have happened, you have to like Boy's chances a
little bit.
Speaker 1: Just with that. Could they have tired legs and the
travel Maybe it.
Speaker 2: Couldn't affect them, and that I could be completely wrong,
But if they do that, you'd have to wonder if
all the national guys would show up?
Speaker 1: Can I wonder? Because and look, they're great people.
Speaker 2: I met Adam Zagoria met him last year, was able
to connect. These are great guys. But let's get into
some of the data points. You penned a couple of
tweets out and relate you know to capacity about BYU.
First one, you know, what does it say about ba's
fan base that they're one of a few schools with
over one hundred percent capacity in both of these sports?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, we got the final stats from
that were reported to the NCAA website, and and you know,
they're a handful of schools that sold out or had
one hundred percent or more capacity at you know, their
football games or their basketball games. They have only four
programs reported one hundred percent or greater in both of
the revenue sports and those were Auburn, b y, U, Florida,
and Texas. So those are some those are.
Speaker 3: Some massive fan bases, some great you know.
Speaker 4: Money, big money programs. I guess you could say well
resourced programs.
Speaker 3: So that's that's just great to be in that.
Speaker 4: I looked a little deeper and apparently Texas achieved that
because the last couple of years they've been roping off
or putting big curtains.
Speaker 3: Over their their upper bowl.
Speaker 4: Fifteen I know, I know it's a fifteen thousand seat
place that they've been doing. They say they have a
basketball configuration quote unquote where they bring down these banners
and these I think they project something up on them
through screens and so it sort of looks pretty cool.
But yet at their fifteen thousand feet Moody Moody Arena
is has a reported capacity of only like ten point
seven k right now, so they sort of cheated. And
even Auburn and Florida their capacity is only ten thousand.
So you know, BYU's filling up in eighteen thousand seat
arena in the Marriott Center where you know, those other
two schools are just don't don't have that nightly grind
of filling up an arena for you know what. The
sixteen seventeen home games that most places.
Speaker 2: Have for year, in the words of Andrew Peterson, are
r ap running back here at ESP and the fan
anytime I can interchannel a shot at the school at
nor What is just draping off stuff at the top?
Speaker 1: What are the school up north for Crown All? What
is this?
Speaker 4: What is this?
Speaker 1: Hopefully that made Andrew laugh, He'll text me if it didn't.
Speaker 2: Anyway, No, I think it says a lot because, like
you mentioned capacity BYU in eighteen thousand, obviously the move
to the Big twelve is what changed these attendance trends.
I think you would agree with that, no doubt about it.
But with that being said, like can is expansion on
the table there? Because you have to think if BYU
is selling out in football, selling out in basketball and
basketball eighteen thousand, you have to wonder do you add
you know, I don't want to jump too far, but
like h twenty five hundred to five thousand more seats.
That might be a lot of seats, But like Kansas
just built a new football stadium, right, you have to
wonder that's on the docket in the future because if
they're selling out right now, I have to think if
you gave more fans and opportunity to get tickets and
the cheaper tickets are at the top, more people would
attend these games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you gotta start, you gotta start game
plan in it. If you're in the administration. I mean,
they they want to maximize revenue, they want to increase
the fan base, they want more people there still sell
it out. On the other side of the coin, you
don't want to expand and then you know, and then
you know, not fill it up because these you know,
does does sixty five thousand people in an eighty thousand
seat stadium look worse than sixty two thousand and a
sixty two thousand stadium, you know, do you add it
looks worse on TV. You know, you're not maximizing your
your price points, just you know your supply demand, you
want you want to sell out. That's ideal for you know,
maximizing your your pricing and you know your your revenue
from these things. So it's it's uh, you know, and
what's weird is most places have been actually been contracting,
especially basketball venues and with football places. You know, we've
we've seen both the Marriott Center and uh uh and
Lavelle Edwards have decreased seatings as they've improved some of
the taking some benches out, you know, put in the
seats so you can't cram as many people in. Also
just in the stadium Lavelle Edwards, you know, they've they've
changed a few areas to be a little more luxury
and decrease the seating that way a little bit. But
that's been the trend is more premium seeding, more boxes
and decreasing. So but yeah, uyus, we we hit sort
of the I guess not the trifector, but you know,
the double play I guess you could say of moving
to the Big twelve, we'll say a trifect, you know, moving.
Speaker 3: To the Big twelve.
Speaker 4: Number two, Yeah, going, you know, getting really good in
basketball and football. Right, we're top twenty five team pretty
much perennially in those sports now. And you know the
third is, you know, the boosters and bringing in the
high level talent that people want to see.
Speaker 3: So that's sort of the trifect.
Speaker 4: And if you can keep those three three things going,
and you have another couple of years of you know,
increasing demand and sellouts and yeah, you got you gotta
do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not wrong. You talk about the high level talent.
The reason why I used that baseball term. Side note,
I got a big baseball fan along with myself to
my right, so I had to do it. He's got
on the Florida Mariners out the og had back there,
Dontell willis going back in the day, and that's what
we're going on. D train, D train, Come on, come
trust me. I know about my baseball. Just had to
give that shout out for him. No, but you said
the high level talent. Look, Bruce Branch, the third people
keep saying he signed, I don't know if I've seen
anything from BYU. I don't think he signed, but I
think he is committed. Just want to make sure I
clarify that because of that people, is he signed. I
think he, I think will, but not but has committed.
But that's one of the high level talent guys you mentioned,
along with the Dean Ruker, the will open Shaws, those
guys come out. You missed out obviously on Austin Gooseby
who went to A Texas probably because his brother Trevor
Gooseby is in I think his last year or two
as an offensive lineman. So but yeah, the high level
talent is paying. And then I want to throw another
team in there, women's soccer. They've sold out games, right,
top team team won a Big Tel tournament. So it's
it's all a sports when you look at it now.
Obviously football is king, basketball runs the ship, that's what
drives it. But you look at all of the other
sports now in BYU Athletics. BYU Athletics is primed right
now in the Big twelve, and.
Speaker 1: That leads me to this next question.
Speaker 2: And look, I'm not trying to push for BOU to
be in any other conference, but I know how numbers
and metrics influence conference realignment and media value. What what
about BYU's value and I guess you know, in their metrics,
how could that influence their conference realignment.
Speaker 1: I think they're in the perfect spot.
Speaker 2: But the attraction of BYU and the national fan base
and that you have to look. I'm not saying I'm
gonna jump into the SEC, not ready for that, but
like you wonder, if the Big Ten is something that
you know is attractive maybe in the future. I don't
think they should do it, not saying that they will,
but is that on the table with these metrics.
Speaker 4: I mean, with with those metrics and Bya's history, I
mean we would have been been in a power conference
decades ago.
Speaker 3: We all know that if we had.
Speaker 4: Different sponsoring institution and a different honor code and a
different sort of if we were at different people, we yeah,
we would be the top of the list for you know,
future expansion of of you know, the Big Ten or
the SEC.
Speaker 3: You know, for whatever reason, there's.
Speaker 4: You know, they tend to like you know, state schools,
UH schools with medical I don't don't ask me why
having a medical school makes you more attractive to a
sports conference. But apparently it's a thing. It's so stupid,
and I'm you know, I went to medical school. I understand, Uh,
you know, the money that goes through research and that
you know, what what does that mean for sports for
a for a sports conference? It has zero crossover in
my in my opinion, So I'm you know, if b YU,
what what's the book by Sol Night?
Speaker 3: You know so good? They can't ignore you exactly.
Speaker 4: Uh that the b YU just has to keep doing that.
Uh you have to get to that point where if
there is and a future breakoff or consolidation or super
league that by you just can't be left out. And
you know, we're we're trending in the right direction. We
gotta we gotta break through.
Speaker 3: Gotta got it.
Speaker 4: We got to get to some final four us. We
got to get into the playoff and make you know,
make a little run here or there. It's not good
enough just to be good. We gotta we gotta be great. Uh.
Speaker 3: So that's what we're building towards though.
Speaker 1: They're building towards it right now.
Speaker 2: Look, it starts to get the top level talent and
then it starts getting out there.
Speaker 1: And they've started to do that. You see it in football.
Speaker 2: I mean, we get the number one line back out
of the trash reportal to me, that's evidence of that
you're trending that direction.
Speaker 1: You're not there, but you're training that direction.
Speaker 2: When you get the number one overall pick who I
believe in, Look, that's me projecting it, right, But when
you get the number one high school recruit, which he
is in AJD bonsa, like, it's trending that way.
Speaker 1: But let's let's talk about tickets.
Speaker 2: So something that's always trending some than that is always
always doing fantastic. We all your main takeaways, you know
from the data that you gathered about the ticket sales.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know this is just looking at sort of
selling tickets and selling your your basketball in your in
your football stadia. I looked at all the schools and
you know, the FBS, and looked at their you know,
their attendance, their percent capacity and uh, those same schools
their basketball programs, their their attendance and their capacity, and uh,
you know that's sort of where I figured out, hey,
you got these four programs that did one hundred percent
in both uh that we that we talked about earlier.
But I also sort of did a little tweak to
the metric. I said, well, these are your two revenue sports.
This is what's bringing in your money. You know, basketball,
some places they only have a ten or fifteen thousand
seed arena. You know they're probably not making as much
from that. But you have a lot more uh inventory.
You know, you have sixteen seventeen home games most year,
whereas you'll only have you know, six seven eight home
games if you're if you're a football program. So I
tallied up what was your average football attendance plus two
and a half times your basketball attendants and then came
up with sort of like a graded metric of of where,
you know, where you are, who's selling the most tickets,
who's probably earning the most money by you know, selling
out their their stadium, just selling a lot of tickets,
getting a lot of butts in the seats. And you
know number one was Tennessee, then Michigan Alabama, then the
Texas Texas A and m b YU was right around
I think fifteen sixteen on that list. Got I mean
fourteenth okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: Fourteen them.
Speaker 4: I need to look at my own data more. I
think I was remembering the line on the Excel spriatsheet.
Speaker 1: But that's really good numbers right there. Yeah, Hey, that's impressed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fourteen, I mean you're you're, you're, you're right in
the mix, you know there. I don't think us any
other non uh big ten big or non big ten,
non sec program in like the top was Iowa State,
I think was like twenty sixth or twenty seventh or
something like that, and then Texas Tech was around thirtieth.
But yeah, I mean UYU is up and up with
heady company. Once again, when you look at you know,
how many tickets are selling to the revenue sports and
that's that's going to be showing up in the bottom
line of these reports that come out and over the
next year or two when we see the finances on
all this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll obviously have you back on when those
come out to break it down as well. You mentioned
the schools and somebody who like the textis tech and
we'll get you out of here on this. Are there
any programs that people assume have elite fans support but
the numbers don't back it up. I'm looking at the
list right now and obviously the ones you mentioned, but
I feel like that's a valid question because sometimes a
brand name, you know, it should correlate right with revenues
and sales and tickets, but not always.
Speaker 1: Because you mentioned Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: You know, their twenty seven towards the bottom, but they
were a top team and they're paying their players right
and even their basketball, but the ticket sales don't say
that though, like compared to like the BYUS, the Texas,
the Alabama's, the Michigans, I would have assumed that Texas
Tech would have been higher.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Texas Tech, I think they were close to
ninety five percent or above in ninety seven both football,
in both football and basketball, but they don't have you know,
as large of venues as you.
Speaker 1: Know, the other progress.
Speaker 4: You know, you've got you've got the Big House, which
has one hundred and ten thousand, and they even oversold that.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: I think their average attendance was about one hundred and
fourteen thousand a game. So most places you add their
basketball to their football, and they're nowhere approaching that. So
you know, that's that's just sort of how that that
factored out. But yeah, I mean you got to, you know,
you got to have the bigger venues, and those were
increased over time as there was demand, and you know,
hopefully we're seeing that from BYU, and you know, hopefully
some other Big ten, Big twelve programs you know, are
up in their game as well and can get more
strength and eyeballs and finances towards towards the conference and
we can all benefit.
Speaker 2: Tell me that you're a basketball school if your Kansas
in Arizona with that's however, you're a basketball school for
thirty ninth and fortieth on this list and you see
eighty four and eighty six capacity, and I'm like, I
wonder how much of that you know basketball.
Speaker 6: Because they are basketball schools, And I think that Notre
Dame is like thirtieth on the list or something, because
they you know, eight thousand, twenty eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're they're like you know, they're they're elite. You know,
they're blue blood. They're among the top brands, you know,
top five brands for sure in football, but they have
very little basketball support, small venue, and you know that
that drops them down to that level. So it's important
to have revenue for both sports. They both they both
pay the bills.
Speaker 1: They both pay the bills.
Speaker 2: Quitting irish or dropping because they quit just kidding, that's
tongue and shit. Don't get upsell with me, Jeff. Before
we let you go. What's the best way we can
support you what you do and how you do it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I just you know, I dabble in
this stuff. I'm not a professional at all. Just follow
me on Twitter JJ Fuller seven to. I do have
a substack that I just play some of the articles
I've written in other places. I just sort of keep
them there and and there's some data to run through
on that. But yeah, just enjoy. Thanks for having me
on and gokubs.
Speaker 2: Of course follow on exit JJ Fuller seventy two. You
can also get a substack at substack dot com slash
at Fuller seventy two as well.
Speaker 1: Always appreciate your time. Jeff will catch up with you, Sue.
Speaker 2: That's Jeff Fuller ESPN the fan contributor and also dam
mccoogie is down there at tuscal Loose, Alabama. Fun fact,
my sister served a mission and she married ready for
this cam you and AP knows this, but I don't
know if I told you.
Speaker 1: Just married my.
Speaker 2: Brother in law who is from the atl So how
about that? How about go dogs and how about you know,
go roll tide. That's interesting in that household for sure,
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They got the five v five right now. Three division
high school twelve to fourteen. You attended twelve, you register
with the team or solo, three pool play games, single
elimination tournament. You don't want to miss an opportunity to develop.
They got multiple Lee High players from Lehigh High School.
You got Olfa Academy as well. American Fork Bunch. Former
BA offensive line me Tony Kanoute is the one putting
it on. Appreciate him giving back to the community. Ben
critics are somewhere. I've seen him running off. You know
he's doing this thing as always. Guys, let's take a
brief time out. We'll be back on the flip. We'll
get into another college basketball segment.
Speaker 1: Let's