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<v Speaker 1>A twenty eight to fifty five car see talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Tuesday extra special always because you get to hear

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Davis with a Daniel Davis deep die from the

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<v Speaker 1>former retired lieutenant colonel talking. Of course we'll talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine and Russia. Welcome back to the program, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always a pleasure to have you on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Always great to be here, Brian, looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Another day, another missile strike. It's depending on which article

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<v Speaker 1>you read. Russian missile strike attack kills four in Kharkiv.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's another one says five killed, twenty four hospitalized,

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<v Speaker 1>and the missile striker and Kharkiv again the fog of war.

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<v Speaker 1>You never can't quite get a clue on how many

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<v Speaker 1>people have been injured or killed or died. But another day,

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<v Speaker 1>another missile strike. What's is the landscape changing since we

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<v Speaker 1>talked last tesday? Daniel? Are we still where we were?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there hasn't been a whole lot of ground action.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just continue with the creeping a east or westward

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<v Speaker 2>movement by the Russian forces that hasn't stopped. But Russia

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be spending a lot more time hitting these

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<v Speaker 2>these missile strikes deeper into the Ukraine heartland, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>the u the Kharkivrea, as you mentioned, there going after

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<v Speaker 2>energy and electric production facilities, which keeps on limiting their

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<v Speaker 2>economic capacity to sustain the war. But there's also been

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<v Speaker 2>a recent upturn upturn in the use of specific drones

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<v Speaker 2>deep inside of Ukraine, and that's been a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a change and we'll we'll have to wait to see

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<v Speaker 2>what it portends, but they've been using a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these fiber optic drones deep inside behind the lines, which

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<v Speaker 2>either implies that the range of these things has been

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<v Speaker 2>significantly increased or that there are Russian partisans operating behind

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<v Speaker 2>the lines in larger numbers, and especially in two specific

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<v Speaker 2>areas around the Kupiansk and in the Sumi region of Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just been devastating as you've spend one drone after another,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're not familiar with these fiber optic cables,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't be jammed, so if they fly, they will

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<v Speaker 2>kill something and so far the Ukraine doesn't have an

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<v Speaker 2>answer to it, and the Russians are starting to use

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<v Speaker 2>more and more of them. And if you weaken the

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<v Speaker 2>lines behind the lines, then that means that at some

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<v Speaker 2>point you're going to weaken the fabric up at the

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<v Speaker 2>front line.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you're talking about something along the lines of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Used to be the tow missiles they had a.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly the same Yeah, told me so, which has a

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<v Speaker 2>tiny of like a hair fiber optic cable or the

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<v Speaker 2>missile flew into it. Well, now they've used it the

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<v Speaker 2>same technology.

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<v Speaker 1>In the drones. Wow, because obviously at least in the

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<v Speaker 1>early days I think those came out well, like in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties or something like that. I mean, they're they

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<v Speaker 1>were limited in terms of the distance because of course

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<v Speaker 1>the limitations of having a fiber optic cable connected to

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<v Speaker 1>the missile. That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to have a spool that it unspools

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<v Speaker 2>as it flies, and you can barely see it. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you can obviously you can see it when you're

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<v Speaker 2>on there, but you know, I mean even ten feet

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<v Speaker 2>away you have a hard time seeing it's that thin.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's enough to get the the signals so that

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<v Speaker 2>the thing can be driving on target and you literally

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<v Speaker 2>have something like HD video on the on the drivers

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<v Speaker 2>i mean on the operators handle and obviously you know

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<v Speaker 2>you have some issues obviously you can't fly around trees

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<v Speaker 2>because then it gets tangled up, but you can get

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<v Speaker 2>it on target. It's been very just devastating effective in

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<v Speaker 2>the Sumi region especially now.

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<v Speaker 1>Are these and I'm sure everything has some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>military target benefit like power plants and that I get

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<v Speaker 1>all day long, But when you're hitting buildings with these

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<v Speaker 1>where they just civilians are there, and coupled with the

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<v Speaker 1>point that it's further and further inland within the interior

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<v Speaker 1>of Ukraine, are these designed to be more of psychological winds,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, posing the the real genuine existential threat

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<v Speaker 1>for the Ukrainians. And oh my god, the Russians really

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<v Speaker 1>are advancing. Look how far in they got with that

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<v Speaker 1>most recent missile strike.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, because Russia has a relatively I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they've ramped up production, but it's still comparatively limited, and

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<v Speaker 2>so these things are very valuable and they don't just

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<v Speaker 2>spend them for I think psychological effect very oftentimes, at

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<v Speaker 2>least what the Russians are claiming, and there does seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be some justification for it that some of these

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<v Speaker 2>buildings they hit are where the Ukraine side is housing

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<v Speaker 2>troops or where they were in some cases recently there's

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<v Speaker 2>been Western trainers and some of these Western people who

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<v Speaker 2>have been fighting for Ukraine have been stationed where they

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<v Speaker 2>think they've been safe in the rear to have this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, civilian buildings be used to house these people,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, Russia is saying, yeah, actually

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<v Speaker 2>nothing's safe. And by the way, that's also another product

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<v Speaker 2>of the growing number of Russian partisans on the rush

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<v Speaker 2>on the Ukraine side of the line of contact. And

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<v Speaker 2>as I had on a show last week with a

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<v Speaker 2>former NATO officer at Switzerland, he said that there is

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<v Speaker 2>growing belief that there could be a rise of an

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<v Speaker 2>actual partisan conflict in some of the rear cities like Odessa,

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<v Speaker 2>like Kharkips City, and then other these areas in between,

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<v Speaker 2>like where some of these missile strikes are coming. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's a big problem for the Ukraine side, and they've

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<v Speaker 2>actually conducted a thousand raids to try to find some

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<v Speaker 2>of these, but it's starting to be a real problem

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<v Speaker 2>in the rear well.

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<v Speaker 1>If that is a growing concern and more and more

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<v Speaker 1>folks are moving over and embracing sort of the Russian

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<v Speaker 1>side of the equation, that presents a major intelligence problem.

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<v Speaker 1>For the Ukrainians because someone's going to ferret out to

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<v Speaker 1>the Russians where these soldiers are hiding.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, clearly, that's that's exactly what's going on right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only way you can get these even the

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<v Speaker 2>drone strikes with the fiber optic tables deep behind Ukraine lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost the only way you can do that is either

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<v Speaker 2>have partisans tell you where they are, or you are

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<v Speaker 2>the partisans themselves are operating the drones. So it's you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a real problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, also a corollary problem you and I talked and

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<v Speaker 1>I have talked about before in the past, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>just seen, you know, since our last comeration more reports

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine soldiers deserting their posts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's a new category also that was also

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<v Speaker 2>revealed in since you and I have talk last, is

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<v Speaker 2>that there are and the quote was, hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of Ukrainian men just refusing to fight. So when they say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>like we want to conduct this this defensive counter attack

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<v Speaker 2>here against the Russians in the in the po Krowsk area,

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<v Speaker 2>actually over the last twelve hours, many of them are

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<v Speaker 2>just refusing. They're saying, no, we're just not going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just a compounding problem because listen, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you going to be motivated to risk your

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<v Speaker 2>life on an attack when you can see on your

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<v Speaker 2>own news feed that Trump is aggressively trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how he's gonna end this war. Is he going

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<v Speaker 2>to take the you know, as payment the rare earth

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<v Speaker 2>minerals from the Ukraine side and all that. So you

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<v Speaker 2>see used to get ready to talk to Vladimir Putin,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that the war is effectively over. You're just

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<v Speaker 2>figured out how it's going to end. You don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to be one of the last ones to die for

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<v Speaker 2>a war that's already over and we're seeing the results

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<v Speaker 2>of that battlefield.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and isn't it an interesting reality that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and the United States alone might have that impact. What

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<v Speaker 1>about all of the other countries who have been pushing this,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Britain was pushing arming Ukraine and the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the NATO country are the ones that were being

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<v Speaker 1>so alarmist about the encroachment by the Russians And they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in our back door and oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>this is an existential threat to the existence of the

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<v Speaker 1>European Union. Or whatever, and you and I have pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out that that's just it's not within the realm of possibility,

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<v Speaker 1>at least you and I perceive it to be that way.

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<v Speaker 1>But where's everybody else? I'm sort of asking, well.

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<v Speaker 2>This I also yesterday afternoon you had to Keir Starmer

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<v Speaker 2>meet with not just Deeltenberg, Mark Rutcha, the new NATO

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary General, and they're still talking like it's the second

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<v Speaker 2>or third month of the war. Yes, we're gonna uk said,

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to give more support, ammunition, training, and everything

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<v Speaker 2>else to Ukraine in twenty twenty five than in any

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<v Speaker 2>other year of the war so far. And it just

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<v Speaker 2>boggles my mind. What are you trying to accomplish when

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<v Speaker 2>you have Donald Trump sitting there saying we're doing the

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<v Speaker 2>exact opposite, trying to wind it down, and you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about send it up now. If his thought is well,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll just do this to keep the pressure on Putin

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<v Speaker 2>so that he'll make a better deal. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 2>train left the station a long time ago. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. There's no pressure you can bring to Putin

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<v Speaker 2>that's gonna bear, or it would already have been done.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet we seem disconnected at the highest levels in Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>even from what Trump's doing much less battlefield reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, on the heels of our moments ago discussion about

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<v Speaker 1>how the Ukrainian soldiers aren't even fighting and they can't

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<v Speaker 1>replenish the front line troops. Who in the hell are

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<v Speaker 1>they going to apply this training to? Daniel? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>who are you gonna train?

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly the disconnect I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my well, pivoting over Tulsa Gabbart, Cash, Mattel, where

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<v Speaker 1>are you on these? And good, bad, indifferent? How are

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<v Speaker 1>we looking on this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Tulsi Gabbert in particular is in my view, the

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<v Speaker 2>best cabinet level pick that Trump has made, bar none,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean all of them. And she's also facing

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<v Speaker 2>the most fierce resistance of any of them, precisely because

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<v Speaker 2>she's the most qualified, meaning that she will actually faithfully

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<v Speaker 2>do the job, which she said in her inner statements

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<v Speaker 2>that she's gonna faithfully tell the president what the intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>assessments actually are, meaning she's not going to swear it

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<v Speaker 2>and bend it because of a perceived bias that she

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<v Speaker 2>wants or that the you know, the establishment in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>which almost always reflectively wants whatever the d n I

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<v Speaker 2>says to the President to be Yeah, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>use military force here. That's what's happened quite frankly most

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<v Speaker 2>of the time in the past, and what the industry

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington really wants. And so they have just brought

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<v Speaker 2>out the knobs against her. It doesn't look like it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to succeed. There's been a couple of key senators

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<v Speaker 2>and just in the last twelve or twenty or eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>hours that have come out and said out of the

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<v Speaker 2>intel community, they're going to vote for her, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's an eight to nine vote just to get

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<v Speaker 2>her out of committee, to get her into the the

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<v Speaker 2>overall Senate vote, which apparently is supposed to happen today.

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<v Speaker 2>If she gets through that, and then I think that

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<v Speaker 2>it's likely that she's going to be confirmed, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a tight one. But it's one

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<v Speaker 2>that I think Trump will will benefit from more than

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<v Speaker 2>any other.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I'm hearing is then she is not someone

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<v Speaker 1>like we've had before, married to the military industrial complex

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<v Speaker 1>and seeking to perpetuate it.

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<v Speaker 2>She is an arms length distance from them because she

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to be swayed by that her whole career.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she she took all kinds of heat from

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic Party because also she is not anybody's tool.

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<v Speaker 2>She's not anybody's puppet, as she said before, and that

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<v Speaker 2>also an honest broker. And they don't want an honest broker.

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<v Speaker 2>They want somebody who was going to play the game. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's on the Republican side a similar kind of constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>And see, they want someone who's good, but only if

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<v Speaker 2>so that scares a lot of them, so they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want her in there. Uh. And that's why we need

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<v Speaker 2>her in there, because she'll just tell the truth, even

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<v Speaker 2>if it's if the truth is the intelligence says we

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<v Speaker 2>need to use military force, she'll tell him that. But

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<v Speaker 2>if it says no, this won't succeed, and the intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>she'll tell him that too. That's what we need in

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<v Speaker 2>that position, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>And pivoting over to cash Betel.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's quite all right. And I just got

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<v Speaker 1>out on the heels of a conversation about our southern

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<v Speaker 1>border and Pete Hegseeth is considering maybe launching military strikes

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<v Speaker 1>against the cartels in Mexico, And you know, being the constitutionalist,

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<v Speaker 1>I am uh and I I understand the value of

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<v Speaker 1>easily eradicating evil actors in the world. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if if an evil actor is in my country and

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<v Speaker 1>some other kind of decides to start launching missiles into

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<v Speaker 1>my country, as good intentions as that may be, I

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<v Speaker 1>might view it as an act of war. What's your

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<v Speaker 1>take on doing that? Because we've you know, we've blown

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<v Speaker 1>up targets literally in the four corners of the world

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<v Speaker 1>with rockets and just sort of random attacks out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been sort of suspicious of our ability to

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<v Speaker 2>Well, our ability to actually take out a target anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>in the world is substantial, yes, and we can. We

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<v Speaker 2>have the capabilities, We have the technical capabilities, intelligence capabilities

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<v Speaker 2>and all that. But I am with you on this one,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know that there's a lot of different views

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<v Speaker 2>on Some of my close friends and colleagues have different

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<v Speaker 2>views than I do. But I am a staunch defender

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<v Speaker 2>of defending the border. Let's defend our border, let's prevent

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<v Speaker 2>anybody from coming in. If we have nefarious actors, we

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<v Speaker 2>should use law enforcement or military whatever to take out

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<v Speaker 2>that threat to our country in our country. But going

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<v Speaker 2>into another country, I think is a legal issue. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an international rules based situation because exactly what you said,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't ever want a president where some China, Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>any of other country can say, well, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>bad actor of ours in your country, so we just

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<v Speaker 2>took them out. We don't want that and we would

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<v Speaker 2>never tolerate it. So I don't think that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that we should not do that tier. But there's a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger issue to me. You go after the cartails, you

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<v Speaker 2>make it a war in the cartels, they will bring

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<v Speaker 2>the war back to you. And as bad as a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the stuff is right now, it's not been

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<v Speaker 2>open warfare. And just look in Mexico what the cartels

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<v Speaker 2>can do when they get mad and they start trying

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<v Speaker 2>to strike back. We don't want that to happen on

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and Lord knows what the open borders we've been

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with, and the ten to fifteen million people, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of whom were members of various gangs. They're firmly

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<v Speaker 1>entrenched in our country. They could start launching terrorist attacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I can see the reprisals coming, and

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<v Speaker 1>it does indeed concern me. Daniel Davis Deep Dive. Find

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