WEBVTT 1 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:31.800 Get a getting man. 2 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:37.119 Yes, we're closing on what is a party people? I'm 3 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:38.719 your host DJ, and. 4 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:41.320 That lady right there is Fostina. 5 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:44.600 Oh look at that. It shouldn't it should have faded out, 6 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:46.280 all right. I forgot to get that button, all right, 7 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:50.640 fade out the applause all right? Uh wow. So yeah, 8 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:52.799 we we were building up this week. Of course we 9 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:55.679 did a win a midweek show with the idea that 10 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:59.439 we we was fin to have a superstar up in 11 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:03.359 this joint, somebody who we really admire, somebody who's gonna 12 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:08.079 who's become a friend or in Spanish and Amiga and 13 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.079 I have news. Well, you know what, we should release 14 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:14.280 the news for all of the irishmen in the chat, 15 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:20.159 including Kimberley McGuire, that we found out just moments ago 16 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:26.040 news broke that in fact, Nan Gallagher is no Irish 17 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:31.599 nat six, she is Scottish sick. Can't throw your bloody head. 18 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:38.760 And Luca's here, Debbie Blair and Heather from Baba is here. 19 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:44.000 So without any further delay, we got to get her 20 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:47.519 in here because girlfriend got lots to say and she 21 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:51.319 about to say it. So people of calling all beings 22 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:56.599 party people, put chands together for our od girl, Nan Geller, 23 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:02.120 nobody me an amen in this joint? Yes? 24 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:12.319 Amen? Amen? How are you all the amens? Oh? 25 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:16.400 Wow, Nan Galligan, welcome back. Non, It's so good to 26 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:17.599 have you back in the cob. 27 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:22.080 Thank you so much. I love love talking with you guys. 28 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.000 And when we figured out tonight would be a good 29 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:29.000 rescheduled night for last week's debacle, I apologize for that 30 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:33.080 to everyone. This was the best way I want to 31 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:36.360 spend my Saturday night. So thanks for everyone for joining. 32 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.240 That's what I'm saying too. And I just want to 33 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:41.719 say my head doesn't look this fat in person. I 34 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:44.840 just not that. I don't know what brought that on anyway. 35 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:53.000 I'm sorry. Nan fan here, Yes, smart, what does that say? Smart? Smart? Hurry? 36 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:57.599 I love that. Oh and here's the legend right here. 37 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:02.879 She's from the Bronx, New York. You know what I'm 38 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:03.840 talking about, Nan. 39 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.520 You know I'm originally from the Bronx myself, and I 40 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:08.960 went to college in the Bronx. 41 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:10.639 So you want to ford. 42 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:11.879 Them or something I did. 43 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:14.080 Oh my god, Well did you go to it for 44 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:15.680 law school? If you under grad? 45 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:18.879 Undergrad? I went there undergrad and then I went to 46 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:22.960 New York Law school. So I'm a New Yorker at heart. 47 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:27.800 As I am I as am I. Another thing we 48 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:31.439 have in common other than that we're both, you know, 49 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:37.280 reasonably cool. I suppose look at that, my sister, all right, 50 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:40.439 you know, we got to get into it. 51 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:40.639 Nan. 52 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:42.599 I figured what we would do is kind of let 53 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:45.800 you just kind of do some scream of consciousness because 54 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:51.120 I assume that there has been certain events during the 55 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:53.560 trial or the trial stuff that you just have thoughts 56 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:56.919 about or that you want to Oh, somebody wants to 57 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:58.360 know what kind of lipsticks? 58 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:00.840 Oh my goodness, everyone wants to know my lipstick. 59 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:03.599 So well, it's good. Yeah, I mean that's positive. 60 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:06.639 DJ, you got to have the lips. If you don't 61 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:09.360 have the lips, no one's gonna pay attention to you. 62 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:14.159 So to Laura and anyone else, just message me. I 63 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:17.199 actually typed it out what I do for my lips, 64 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.480 and I'm happy to send it to you. It's actually 65 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:24.040 like five different products. So wow. But you know, I 66 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:28.279 get a lot of feedback and it's generally positive. So yeah, 67 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.199 thank you for the I'm going to take it as 68 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.279 a compliment. If you want to know my lipstick, then 69 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:33.439 I must be banging. 70 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:36.560 Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, I mean last time it was 71 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:40.199 there was a a viewer that wanted to know Boston 72 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:43.680 Brandy's dental tips for her white teeth, and this time 73 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:44.480 it's your lipstick. 74 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:51.160 So yeah, I had clips for white teeth too. Okay, 75 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:54.439 you know I should tell your audience. Though it's very 76 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:59.319 it's probably worth mentioning. They make this purple powder and 77 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.199 they sell it on Amazon, and you just mix it 78 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:05.480 in with your toothpaste and your it's got blue and 79 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:08.759 purple particles in it, and your teeth come out looking 80 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:12.279 like the day you were born, except you don't have 81 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:14.199 teeth when you're born. But you know what I'm getting at. 82 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.680 Man, we've already got a question for you. This was 83 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:22.240 really quick, Nan. Would would you like to read that one? 84 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:23.279 And oh? Yeah, take that? 85 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.680 So should the defense call proctor if the Commonwealth doesn't? 86 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:31.759 Absolutely Elena gill uh Well, and it doesn't appear, let's 87 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:35.639 and I will do stream of consciousness DJ. But it 88 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:39.879 does not appear right now that the Commonwealth is going 89 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:45.360 to call proctor. They've taken the step of skirting around 90 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:49.160 some very important issues and very important people so far. 91 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.560 But it's really hard for trial attorneys like myself to 92 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:56.959 forecast exactly where they're going, because they're kind of calling 93 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:01.959 witnesses out of order. They're calling is in this disjointed 94 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:07.480 non fung Shue order that would allow someone like me 95 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.040 to forecast like I can tell you, and I'm sure 96 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:14.040 your audience can assume. Okay, they still have to call 97 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:20.439 their equivalent of a medical examiner and their accident reconstructionist. 98 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:23.040 But for someone like me who looks at this and 99 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:26.079 knows how trials are put together and stories are supposed 100 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:29.759 to be told, I would have called the lead investigator 101 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:34.199 by now. But when we hear things like Uri Buchanic 102 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:39.759 over the last two trial days distance himself so far 103 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:45.800 away from Proctor. I mean, they are worlds and universes apart, 104 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:50.680 dj so galaxies apart. One might say, so, I don't 105 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:52.680 think they're going to call them, and I think your 106 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.319 audience would would be in agreement with that. And if 107 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.759 they're not going to call him, I know some lawyers 108 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:02.759 have said, nah, they may, the defense may not, but 109 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.879 I definitely think they need to. They need to go 110 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.120 for it. They got they they've got to call him. 111 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:13.199 The defense is referred to Proctor as a cancer in 112 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:17.360 the Massachusetts State Police. He has been disciplined, he has 113 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:22.439 been terminated, He had his hands in everything. So even 114 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:27.160 though we're seeing a little bit of this salacious story 115 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:33.079 about him and his police sing misconduct and missteps through 116 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:36.920 the testimony of other people, the defense has to go 117 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:39.160 for it. They've got to get him on the stand. 118 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:43.759 And even though on direct examination the defense may be 119 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:47.040 a little bit hindered in how so. 120 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:49.399 Could you explain that for the audience? What's the difference 121 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.600 between your their direct witness or cross right? 122 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.480 So, when when you call your own witness on direct examination, 123 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:00.720 you have to ask them open ended questions, so you 124 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:03.759 cannot lead them. You can't say things like we've heard 125 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:08.439 from Alan Jackson like you committed misconduct. Correct. You can't 126 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:11.959 say that you've led with your conclusion and you're asking 127 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.839 them to agree or disagree. When you call a witness 128 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:18.279 on direct exam, you have to say things like, well, 129 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:20.560 what if anything, And you don't always have to say 130 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.920 what if anything, but what if anything, did you do 131 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:27.560 at the crime scene? And then the witness has as 132 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:33.720 much description and latitude and subjectivity as possible to answer 133 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:38.960 that question however they want, unless they're not answering your question, 134 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:45.440 and they're being evasive in a very measurable form that 135 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.480 the attorney can then ask the judge permission or motion 136 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:54.759 to hold the witness or consider the witness hostile. If 137 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:57.679 you want to declare a witness as a hostile witness, 138 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.120 then you can ask them as many leading questions as 139 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:04.679 you want. But with Judge Bev, there's so much discretional 140 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:09.879 authority that she has exerted over trial one point zero 141 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.000 and one point two point zero. I just don't think 142 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.200 that that is going to be a safe bet. I 143 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.519 don't think that Judge Bev will just willingly hold a 144 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.360 witness as a hostile witness for the defense. She doesn't 145 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:27.440 really exhibit much of an affinity for the defense. So 146 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:31.000 I do think that they should call Proctor ask as 147 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:35.240 many open ended questions as the defense can possibly ask him. 148 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:39.679 I am confident that they've been working very hard all 149 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:44.080 along the way to craft questions that they're going to 150 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:48.159 ask him that are not leading, but will lead him 151 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.120 to have to make certain concessions that will be favorable 152 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.200 for the defense and Proctor, even if he didn't testify, 153 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:00.159 we got so much good stuff out of Buchanic, so 154 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.679 far and it's going to continue on Monday at ten am. 155 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:08.759 That were definitely yeah, see he was barbecued. We're definitely 156 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:13.080 And by the way, we haven't even seen all of 157 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:15.840 the important things come out yet. They've got to talk 158 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:19.960 about the inverted video. They've got to talk about all 159 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:26.080 of the investigation or lack thereof, into the communications between 160 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:30.080 the fact witnesses and the interviewing of the fact witnesses 161 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:35.000 and things like we know Proctor did but Buchanic wasn't 162 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.840 involved in. So Monday is going to be yet again 163 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:43.519 another in my opinion, full day of fireworks for the defense. 164 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:44.039 This is. 165 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.840 Something that many people will not see in their lifetime, 166 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:54.519 this type of revelation of such important testimony where they 167 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.519 don't even have to call Proctor, but they will. 168 00:10:57.679 --> 00:11:01.000 And especially because he lost his job as a direct 169 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:04.679 result of this investigation. So I think that's what needs 170 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:07.240 to I mean, that was also mentioned in opening, but 171 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:09.279 I think to hear it from the horse's mouth will 172 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:10.279 be really nice. 173 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:15.200 I agree, And I was so tickled pink that the 174 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:20.840 disciplinary board that rule then found four different findings. If 175 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:25.159 I recall as to Procter, that they did specifically tie 176 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:31.120 his conduct in the Karen Reid investigation to their decision 177 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.799 to discipline him and to ultimately terminate him, because they 178 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:38.600 didn't have to they could, you know, we would have 179 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:42.360 all been frustrated he they couldn't. They didn't have to 180 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:47.679 be so specific, but they did specifically state that he 181 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:52.720 exhibited bias in this investigation, and the bias of the 182 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:59.159 lead investigator looking into a defendant, coupled with the salacious 183 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:05.720 texting amongst his superiors and his colleagues and his friends. 184 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:09.840 So there's really two different kind of layers of text messaging, 185 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.840 and I believe only one layer has come out in 186 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:15.519 court thus far because those are the ones that Buchanic 187 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:20.600 was on and Buchanic was his superior. But the only 188 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:25.120 way to get the really bad, additionally bad texts in 189 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:31.159 the ones where we're Proctor was insulting Karen's appearance and 190 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:35.720 you know, her health conditions and her accent, those can 191 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:40.879 only come in through Procter. So once we're able to 192 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:47.120 parse through all of the things that the defense thus 193 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.919 far can get from Buchanic, a decision will be made 194 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:52.000 as to whether they want to bring Procter in. But 195 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:55.799 I think Proctor's reputation thus far in front of this 196 00:12:55.919 --> 00:13:00.840 jury is completely barbecued. To use your viewer's comment, there's 197 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:06.159 no recovering from that image hit. And honestly, if I 198 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.960 were to ramble on a little bit, I think buchanics, 199 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.200 what do I want to call it? His act in 200 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:17.679 front of the jury thus far, it can't possibly be 201 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:21.879 playing well. He is coming across and I get now, 202 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:27.159 especially now, why the defense feels and felt that it 203 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:31.159 was so important for the jury to be able to 204 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.159 see the witness's faces when they're testifying. I always knew 205 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:38.799 that's an important thing. But the jury gets to see 206 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:48.480 Buchanic's smirk and his visibly apparent feigning of lack of memory. 207 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:52.480 He's saying in one breath that he needs a dictionary 208 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:57.480 to define the word theory because he speaks English as 209 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:59.679 a third language. But yet, if you all notice, he 210 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:04.679 was able to read the text messages, which I have 211 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:07.240 to say that was that was like a Christmas gift 212 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.679 come early to me to have Buchanic read those horrible, 213 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.120 I mean just horrible text messages between Higgins and Karen. 214 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:22.039 He has no game. It's it's unbelievable, unbelievable. But that's 215 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.279 why those text messages could be read by Buchanic is 216 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:32.759 because Buchanic had received them from Higgins. They were curated 217 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:38.759 by Higgins, and Buchanic says he considered them and I 218 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:42.559 dare say dismissed them as being important evidence as part 219 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:46.320 of his investigation. So now the jury is left going 220 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.000 into this weekend thinking, wait, what's going on with Higgins? 221 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:53.399 Who is this guy? Like? Why is he texting with Karen? 222 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:57.000 So it was a great way to end the week 223 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:00.279 and to leave that thought in the jury's mind as 224 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.440 they go into a weekend. Yeah, it's good stuff. 225 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.720 I just want to say this in response to somebody 226 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:09.320 who's joking about URI's citizenship, and this is kind of 227 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.919 probably in response to my friend and colleague Turtle Boy's 228 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.879 comment about the culture that he comes from in Russia, 229 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:21.200 and my response to that was simply that whatever you 230 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:26.240 think about and I'm not a fan of the communist 231 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.679 culture at all or the regime that's in charge there 232 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:34.120 at all, but I do want to say that whatever 233 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:37.759 culture Uri comes from, he seems to be perfectly in 234 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.600 concert with his colleagues who are very much American and 235 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:45.080 born in Massachusetts and raised in Massachusetts. So I don't 236 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:50.200 see any goal for any difference between Tully Fanning Proctor 237 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:56.440 Albert Buchanic. Tell me if I've missed anybody, did Chic 238 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:02.080 go You know all those trooper Paulgorno, they all seem 239 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:04.639 to be the troopers that were in Canton p D. 240 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:07.639 They're all in concerts. So whether he comes from Russia 241 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.480 or not is immaterial, because they all are just covering 242 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.039 one another's ass and they've taken this oath, put their 243 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:17.399 hand on the Bible and taken an oath, and now 244 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.600 they're they're just crapping all over it to protect someone 245 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:25.519 because obviously apparently protecting another officer who's committed a crime 246 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:31.320 is more important than sort of honoring the oath that 247 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:34.600 one took. And that's coming from a flawed person, just 248 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:38.200 like everybody else out there that we're all floored flawed 249 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:42.519 persons who are not perfect. But that's that's how I 250 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:46.320 see that with Yuri and his colleagues, whether he's from 251 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:47.960 a communist country or not. Please go ahead. 252 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:52.919 I was gonna mention what about when Yuri says to Jackson, 253 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:55.759 are you listening to me? And he goes, I am. 254 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:00.279 There's no question that like basically paraphrasing here, there's no 255 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:02.440 question I don't have the answer to. Was that not 256 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.480 the best line ever? 257 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:08.759 Yeah? Yeah, I have to say that that was a 258 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.960 great line. And one of the points that I always 259 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.359 like to make is if you notice, and it's come 260 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:18.200 out several times in both trials, the judge will tell 261 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.559 the jury don't consider the statements of the attorneys as evidence. 262 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:27.440 She's also cautioned both attorneys not to make meaning both 263 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:33.319 sides not to make these kind of extra commentary. You know, 264 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.039 you'll hear you'll hear AJ say things like we could 265 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:39.119 do this all day, which, by the way, I want 266 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:42.440 a T shirt any So many viewers and free Karen 267 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.680 Reid supporters are so creative and they make things. Someone 268 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:48.559 needs to make a T shirt that says we could 269 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:50.960 do this all day and put AJ's face on it. 270 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:55.240 But what I love most about this issue is that 271 00:17:55.319 --> 00:18:00.000 the judge will say, mister Jackson, like, please don't make comments, 272 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.880 and I'm paraphrasing, and he's like absolutely or yeah, certainly, 273 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:05.920 you're I'm sorry you're on her, But then he does 274 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.559 it in the next breath like he doesn't care. And 275 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:11.519 I'm to be honest as someone who has to respect 276 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.960 judges as part of what I signed up for when 277 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.400 I became an attorney. I have to agree with his 278 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:23.119 approach because we went through that whole thing with him 279 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:26.839 being questioned and his integrity being questioned and his truthfulness 280 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:31.599 concerning ARCA. We went through her grave concerns as to 281 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:35.680 whether or not there was extra dealings with ARCA, which 282 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:39.839 I thought was just ridiculous. That I think the attorneys 283 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:44.640 on the defense team, while they're certainly excellent attorneys and 284 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:49.880 the epitome of integrity and ethical attorneys, I think you 285 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:53.279 hit a point where you're like, screw this. I'm going 286 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:55.720 to do one hundred percent of what I want to 287 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.240 do within ethical bounds for my client. So he'll make 288 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.279 his little We could do this all day, or I 289 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:05.799 don't have to answer your questions. I'm the one asking them, 290 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.200 and I love it because I would do that too. 291 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:11.119 That's very in line with my personality. So there's a 292 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.559 little level of I'm done with this. We're not going 293 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:16.839 to play your game, BEV. We're going to play our game, 294 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:19.920 because you know, the first time around it the way 295 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.920 they played it didn't work out for them. So I 296 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:26.519 definitely feel that you're going to see more of that 297 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:31.200 snark from AJ on Monday and with other witnesses too, 298 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:35.160 and it's probably, although I don't know, it's probably also 299 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:43.079 done to bother the witness. And I detected when watching Buchanic. 300 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:47.319 I detected that Buchanic did not like that he was 301 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.640 kind of reacting to AJ's level of snark. The goal 302 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:57.359 is to get under the witness's skin. So oh, hey, Nexus, Lexis, 303 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:00.640 how are you you know you try to get under 304 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:05.319 witness's skin. I apologize if I'm glitching, guys. So yeah, 305 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:09.519 so what do we got here? Nan? What's Commonwealth appellate 306 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:12.839 attorney doing in the courtroom? I've heard this question a lot, 307 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:15.720 so there is, and he was there the day I 308 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:18.880 was the second day I was there, which was last month. 309 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:23.720 The Commonwealth has their appellate Council who's been sitting in 310 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:27.559 all of the proceedings. That's actually nothing to worry about 311 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:32.599 and very common. So I believe I even heard, at 312 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:35.759 least on some of the days Karen had her appellate 313 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:39.000 attorney or attorneys in court with her. I know she's 314 00:20:39.079 --> 00:20:43.119 had on some of the days her civil attorneys because 315 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:46.119 she's a defendant in a wrongful death action. Her civil 316 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:48.880 attorneys have been present for some of the time. It 317 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:53.200 actually makes for what's called judicial economy. Sometimes the appellate 318 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:56.279 lawyers or the civil lawyers just want to be in 319 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:00.920 real time for the testimony, to kind of of judge 320 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:04.880 for themselves, how a witness is testifying, how a jury 321 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:08.200 response to them, and to see real time whether or 322 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:12.920 not certain appellate issues arise. So nothing like that concerns me. 323 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:15.559 But I will tell you a little inside baseball, if 324 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.519 you guys would like please, which is when I was 325 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:24.240 in court. When was that? It was in April. I 326 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:26.880 can't remember what day, but in April I sat in 327 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:30.640 court for one day of jury selection, and that appellate 328 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:37.119 lawyer for the Commonwealth was sitting right in front of 329 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:40.920 I'm gonna call it team read. So while we were 330 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:43.359 all waiting, and I was sitting with some of her 331 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.920 family and some of her friends, and it was a 332 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:48.480 limited amount of people who were permitted to be in 333 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:51.920 the courtroom for jury selection, but we were sitting there 334 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:55.119 and out of this whole big courtroom which had to 335 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:59.039 be saved for the jury veneer to come in, the 336 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:03.759 appellate lawyer for the Commonwealth sat right in front of us, 337 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:06.720 and Karen had come over to speak with us as 338 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:09.559 we were waiting for the jury to come in, and 339 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:12.599 we all noticed him there. He could have sat elsewhere, 340 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:17.279 and we hushed, we didn't. We were not speaking loudly 341 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:19.920 because who knows if the walls have ears. I thought 342 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:23.799 it was a bush league move, mister appel At attorney, 343 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:27.480 and I don't like being eaves dropped on. So but 344 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:30.960 I don't worry about him. He's nothing, and Karen's going 345 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:33.519 to get acquitted, so it's going to be it's gonna 346 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.519 be nothing to worry about. 347 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:38.440 And you know, I was going to this a perfect 348 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:41.359 segue to ask you that question, Nan, What was it 349 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:43.599 like interacting with Karen and her family? 350 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:47.559 Oh? My goodness. Uh, if it was, what was a 351 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:53.920 great question. It was really wonderful. So I I had 352 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:58.960 first started having just some light phone calls with Karen's 353 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:03.480 family and Karen a couple times through the course of 354 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:07.039 me being part of this movement, and they are just 355 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:14.279 salt of the earth, really personable, very hardened people like 356 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:18.319 this has hardened them, which is a complete shame because 357 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:20.839 of all that they've gone through, and it's very hard 358 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:24.480 for them to trust people and their government and their 359 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:27.640 police and all of that, but in dealing with them, 360 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:33.680 the level of graciousness just they are so polite. It's 361 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.359 it's very refreshing. I have some pictures at some point 362 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.400 where I will share where I got some pictures with 363 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:44.000 Karen and the family, but out of respect for them, 364 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:46.920 I'm not sharing them yet because I really don't want to. 365 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:49.799 I don't want to make it look like, you know, 366 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:52.599 I'm trying to show, hey, I'm friends with them. 367 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:53.359 Yeah. 368 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:57.039 Yeah, and that's okay if people do it for themselves, 369 00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:02.440 but that's just not my thing. I will say, though, Caen, 370 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:07.319 the last time I was in Karen's presence, I felt 371 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:10.519 like she was my kid's sister. I'm only just a 372 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:13.799 handful of years older than her. I'm actually the same 373 00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:16.960 age as John O'Keeffe down to the birth month, which 374 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.240 is why I love when the trolls call me elderly. 375 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.799 I'm like, you realize, you realize I'm the same age 376 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.960 as John O'Keeffe would have been. But Karen, I felt 377 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.920 like I was dealing with just a kid's sister, you know, 378 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:35.319 talking about girl stuff, just things that ladies can talk about. 379 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:39.359 And I'm happy that I don't know her. I don't 380 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.519 know her very well at all, but I'm happy that 381 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:46.119 she was, that that part of her hasn't been snuffed out, 382 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:48.400 you know what I mean. And she will never be 383 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:52.279 the same no matter how this cookie crumbles. No, but 384 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:55.519 when she gets to the other side of it, I 385 00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:59.240 know that her spirit hasn't been extinguished and she's going 386 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:01.599 to be just fine. And one last point on this 387 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:07.480 DJ She's she is, truly and I know this from 388 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.240 speaking with her and her beautiful parents and her brother. 389 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:17.880 They are so truly appreciative of content creators and the 390 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:21.160 boots on the ground and those who watch YouTube programs. 391 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:25.480 So everyone should always just keep showing up. I know 392 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:29.319 that has become a bit of a punchline some recently, 393 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.319 but I will say it's very important. It fuels the 394 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:36.440 reads a little bit. Yeah, and I'm just not going 395 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:37.359 to stop saying it. 396 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:40.920 Keep saying it. I love it. Yeah. People are trolling 397 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:42.920 you because it's a great saying and they wish they 398 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:45.559 could have co opted it or thought of it themselves. 399 00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:50.079 In the meantime, I want to thank a meatball Morrissey 400 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:53.039 sketty stain, which is probably right on if he's wearing 401 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:57.319 I cautioned him against wearing white dress shirts. I just 402 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:00.279 want to say, as a normal dog mom, I think 403 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.400 it's gross to change an old dog's name. You're changing 404 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.160 its family, but giving it a name it doesn't recognize. 405 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.559 I mean, granted, I don't believe it's really Chloe, but 406 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:14.160 if it was, okay, So let me address this. It's 407 00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:18.000 not Chloe, And first of all, it's not really Chloe. 408 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:22.160 I think Chloe is no longer a living being on 409 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:28.240 this earth, unfortunately, sadly. Obviously I'm a dog dad. But 410 00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:31.839 what I what I want to say is unless you 411 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:37.359 have a microchip with one of those companies like Avid 412 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.519 that is predated to January twenty nine, twenty twenty two, 413 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.039 like when they would have gotten the dog and taken 414 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:46.160 them for their first vet and had that put in 415 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:48.960 the back of the neck, until we can see paperwork 416 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:53.400 from Avid that says that this number equates to this 417 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.119 dog with a scan tool that would be done by 418 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.920 an independent party, and then we could see that same 419 00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:05.920 dog today where we could scan that dog and see that. Yes, 420 00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:09.599 unless they're able to call Avid and convince them that 421 00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:11.920 Brian Albert is going to beat up all of Avid 422 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:16.000 then it's not the same dog, and the dog doesn't exist, 423 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:19.880 think Brennan saying it's the same dog is simply to 424 00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:23.079 put uh sort of. It goes to them saying that 425 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.359 the dog was re home to Vermont, which nobody believes. 426 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:29.039 We all know that somebody as cruel as Brian Albert 427 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.359 would have just put a forty five shell in the 428 00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:35.519 dog and buried it somewhere in like western Massachusetts, put 429 00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:37.720 in his pickup truck, wrapped him up in some sort 430 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.799 of a tarp, and and buried the dog so that 431 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:45.200 it could never be forensically examined, particularly the dental portion 432 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.839 of the dog. So unless they produce that, there's no Chloe. 433 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:50.640 I agree. 434 00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:51.799 Well that okay. 435 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:55.160 So by the way, I think Morris he I think 436 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:55.880 I heard. 437 00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:56.319 Yes. 438 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.480 I just want to thank for the donation. That was 439 00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:00.960 very very kind of you. Thank you, Eddie Stein. We 440 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.000 do appreciate that, and I hope you have oxy clean 441 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:04.880 to be able to remove that stain. 442 00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.559 I met well last I met this person last week. 443 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.599 Yeah, and I think that was I think she might 444 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.240 have been dancing with Mike Crawford. I think I saw 445 00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:22.440 that at he mentioned he met her, So that's awesome, I. 446 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.759 Had her to DJ, I did oh, I didn't even 447 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:26.039 know that. 448 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.640 Yeah, I think the issue with the dog. While we're 449 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:35.279 on the dog, I put on Twitter yesterday, poor Chloe 450 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:41.000 or Cora has entered the Canine Witness Protection program. This 451 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.680 issue with the dog, I have a sneaking suspicion is 452 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:51.559 going to be discarded by the jury. Now, don't get 453 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:56.039 me wrong. The wounds on the arm are dog bites 454 00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.880 and dog scratches and puncture wounds, and we can forecast 455 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:04.880 that Garrett Wing, the expert, is going to give stellar 456 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:10.440 testimony linking those injuries to the acts of a dog. 457 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:13.880 I think there's value in all of that. But in 458 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:18.279 terms of this dog is now Cora and was in 459 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:23.359 Vermont and was not permitted to be seen by the defense, 460 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.759 but was seen by the commonwealth representatives, that whole issue 461 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:32.200 is not going to be of significance. The Commonwealth literally 462 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:36.039 wants to take the trust me bro approach as it 463 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:40.400 relates to Chloe, and I think all of us are 464 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.720 smart enough to know, like, as DJ had said, like 465 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:48.079 this dog is no longer. If the dog existed still, 466 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.160 the dog would have been made readily available to the defense, 467 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.480 probably even brought to court if need be. But it's 468 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.799 just not It's not going to be considered more than 469 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.400 the fact that there is tremendous weight of evidence that 470 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.519 the defense is going to produce that those are dog bites, 471 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:12.519 whether it's Marie Russell, Garrett Wing, the medical expert that 472 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:16.200 the defense has engaged out of I believe Rhode Island. 473 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.640 I cannot think of the doctor's name. I think it 474 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.839 begins with an L. So I think that is just 475 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.640 a complete it's a joke. If the Commonwealth thinks that 476 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.319 the general public and the jury are dumb enough to 477 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:35.039 believe that Chloe is Cora and exists in Vermont, they 478 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:40.960 are way underestimating all of us. And it's been rehomed twice, yeah. 479 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.640 The original Well no, it has not. It has not 480 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:51.680 been rehomed twice. Well, well, according to once you get overlying, no, 481 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.079 And they had to find when they hired Hank Brennan, 482 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.720 they had to find a prodigious liar. And once they 483 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:01.880 found somebody who was willing to take on the role 484 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.640 of defense attorney, because then you know, if you're lying, 485 00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:08.039 you know it's a defense attorney. Now I realize there's 486 00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.240 Officer of the Court but to offer a vigorous defense 487 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.279 who you're a client who may in fact be guilty, 488 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.400 is completely different than being a prosecutor, as Nan Well knows. 489 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:21.160 So once they find a liar, then you could lie 490 00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:25.000 about anything. And clearly, uh, they have found somebody that 491 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:27.599 is willing to play ball, that has seen the facts 492 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:31.000 of the case and is willing to to play the charade. 493 00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.720 He has no idea, He doesn't have a way of 494 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.480 knowing if that's Chloe. He doesn't There isn't such a 495 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:37.880 way that he said. 496 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:42.359 He that it got rehomed, that the that she got rehomed, 497 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.319 and then the people that it got rehomed to also 498 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:46.079 rehomed her. 499 00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:50.160 Right, And I also think, yeah, it's a lie. So 500 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:54.960 that's not what happened. And Uri also is willing and all. 501 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:58.079 And URI's also willing to lie because look what he 502 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:00.359 look what he said about the about the thing about 503 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.160 the reports where you said when you said a report 504 00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:06.680 wasn't written un till eighteen months later. Is that is 505 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:09.359 that common? Well, you know reports are done all the time, 506 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:13.119 and eh, you know your liar, I mean, you're a liar. 507 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.680 One of them was like five hundred and eighty or something. 508 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:18.359 Something days later. Yeah. Crazy. 509 00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.160 We should mention this while we're on this point, the 510 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:28.599 juxtaposition that Alan took with Buchannick on when witnesses were 511 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.799 interviewed and or reports were written, and when he went 512 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.920 through and did the and it was this many days 513 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.559 to the date of incident that you interviewed this person, 514 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.000 and this many days and got all the way out 515 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.160 to I don't know what the highest was, eight hundred 516 00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.200 something days or five hundred something days. That was genius. 517 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:52.039 You're now showing police incompetence. There has to have been 518 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:57.559 a reason why the police would have had to have 519 00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:06.200 interviewed people like Heather Maxin and was it Dano. Yeah, 520 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:10.759 these people should have been interviewed around when Ryan Nagel 521 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:14.599 and Julie Nagel were interviewed. And I don't know all 522 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:18.200 of the dates. I try to keep my analysis very Hey, Dennis, 523 00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.839 how are you because to see you. I might be 524 00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:26.839 seeing you soon, Dennis. But anyway, I feel like it's 525 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:32.599 very important for the jury to measure how the police 526 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:35.920 misstepped along the way, and that was genius to do that. 527 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.759 And there were other things too, like the with the dog. 528 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:46.400 The jury is going to realize Okay, the minute that 529 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:51.200 the body was examined by Buchanic and whomever else was 530 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.960 present for whether it was Keith, whoever was present for 531 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:59.839 the autopsy. Look at I mean, look at the wounds. 532 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.559 They just shout out animal. They shout out animal injury. 533 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.679 So I'm not polycarbonate plastic from a tail light exploding, 534 00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.400 really exploding polycarbonate. Wow. 535 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:17.199 I agree. It's unbelievable. And I feel like, you know, 536 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.320 the jury's going to see these pictures and go, what 537 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.280 tail light? That's why when we're this many days into 538 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:28.119 the trial, because there's there's rumors, and I think I've 539 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.000 even I'm not sure. I don't want to misquote him, 540 00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:35.840 but I could have sworn. I even heard Aiden Carneye 541 00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.039 state recently, like the rumor has it they're wrapping up soon. 542 00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:43.159 I thought I heard him say it as well. There's 543 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.400 so much of a story that the Commonwealth still has 544 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:51.639 to tell, like how did this out? Exactly? How did 545 00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:56.039 this happen? Oh wait, this is an important comment here. 546 00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.920 We have to we have to, we have to read 547 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:00.800 this so. 548 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:03.719 They cannot be shouted out. They can now permanent stains. 549 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:07.320 Each one represents another. I've corrupted. 550 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:11.360 That's true, but you know that. 551 00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.079 Thank you for the donation, Thank you for your membership 552 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.000 to the cab membership club there, and for that really 553 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.920 funny commentary. Thank you. 554 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.960 You know it's while she mentioned staines, I have to 555 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.440 mention a fun fact about myself. I worked in a 556 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.320 dry cleaners from the time I was fourteen years old 557 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:36.400 until I well after I became a lawyer. 558 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:36.960 I worked. 559 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.559 Yes, I worked all the way through, all the way 560 00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.920 through high school, all the way through college. Plus I 561 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:48.679 did waitressing all the way through law school, all the 562 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:52.719 way through my judicial clerkship, and then as I after 563 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.960 I passed the bar exams and started practicing law, I 564 00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:58.960 was still working at the same dry cleaner on the weekends, 565 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.400 just part time to help my boss of like fourteen 566 00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.519 or fifteen years. And on that note, I know how 567 00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:07.760 to take almost any stain out of work. 568 00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.480 Okay, so we've had we've had lipstick advice on the show, 569 00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.159 We've had how to white in your teeth. Let's get 570 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:16.920 how to get stains out of clothing. Man, take it away. 571 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.239 Trust me, bro, I'll clear the stains out of the 572 00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.840 Norfolk County real quick. 573 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:25.840 But I. 574 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:31.880 See what Morrissey's meatball Morrissey's steady stain was doing like 575 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.280 there's some stains up there that cannot be shouted out. 576 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.079 The shout is not the way to do it. There's 577 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:44.239 better products. For more information, contact me please. I saw 578 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.639 that Dennis Sweeney asked, what do I think of the 579 00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.800 buffer zone? Yeah, buff zone ruling. So I didn't fully 580 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.840 read it, but I saw that. I think Jason Grant 581 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.440 Public posted it and I was like, ooh, okay. So 582 00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:02.719 here's my understanding without having read it, is that the 583 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.880 federal court has said this is too oppressive of a 584 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.400 buffer zone, and they're kicking it back down to Judge 585 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:17.760 Bev to narrowly tailor a more reasonably restricted buffer zone. 586 00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:20.159 And I will not say buffer anymore because you guys 587 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:25.480 all say buffer up there, but a buffer zone up there. Yeah, 588 00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:29.039 I say things like ka, I say k I say 589 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:35.360 cottage buffer zone. There's oh, I say stop stop. 590 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.760 That from the glare. The glare totally made that awesome 591 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:40.719 with his Michael Morrissey impression. 592 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.960 Oh my god, if he's yeah to listen to the glare, 593 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:48.360 just get into roll. And when he is going through 594 00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:52.719 any kind of hunches in and does his his Morrissey's 595 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.599 hostage video. I can't like, I cannot keep my composure. 596 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:01.760 But the buffer zone ruling, it's now been remanded down 597 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.480 to the lower court level for Judge Bev to take 598 00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:10.320 it upon herself to narrowly construe and to reduce the 599 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:14.000 parameters of the buffer zone. With that said, I believe 600 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:19.920 I heard that there's some Hey Boston, Brandy, love you girl. 601 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:25.280 I believe that there's some time constraint that if she 602 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.199 doesn't do it within a certain time period, the federal 603 00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:32.000 court will do it for her. So this is great news. 604 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.079 This is why it's important to challenge decisions that come 605 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.719 down from all different types of courts. If you disagree 606 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:44.239 with them or you feel their unconstitutional, appeal them and 607 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:47.920 don't be discouraged if you lose certain level appeals. Just 608 00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:53.159 keep going. In my field, which is healthcare law, I 609 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.639 often lose at the first and second levels of appeal, 610 00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:59.320 but I always win at the third level of appeal. 611 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:03.280 Now that is is a very oversimplified way of stating it. 612 00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.760 But you just got to keep fighting and this was 613 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.519 a great result. But I don't know more than that, Dennis. 614 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:12.719 I'm super excited to see what BEV does and It's 615 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:17.320 very professionally embarrassing, no matter how anyone spends it. It 616 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.599 is professionally embarrassing for a judge to be told by 617 00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.079 a federal court you did this wrong, rubb her nose 618 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.000 in it, spank the newspaper on her nose, and say 619 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.719 do it better. So I hope her weekend is ruined 620 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:34.840 trying to do that. Ha ha. 621 00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.679 I love the pro hok beach. Do you want to 622 00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:41.079 take some quick We have a bunch of questions starred, 623 00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:43.960 so I just want to yes, please, ma'am. 624 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.400 Okay, So here's I've been thinking about this. So what 625 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.159 do you think about this? We had a Canton police 626 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.960 officer Gallagher on the stand. Why do you think it 627 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.840 hasn't been brought up that there was never an accident 628 00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:00.400 report for this supposed accident? And wh do you think 629 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:03.039 that was a missed opportunity because I haven't heard anybody 630 00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:05.280 talk about it, and I know it would be the 631 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.440 local police department, not the Massachusetts State Police because they 632 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:11.679 know they do the roadways and murder investigations and all 633 00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:14.679 that stuff. But you had a Canton police officer up 634 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.679 in the stand. Why do you think they never asked 635 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:18.119 about that? 636 00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.280 So? I've heard that question often. I think it was 637 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.880 a missed opportunity. I truly do. It's not too late, 638 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:32.159 and maybe Karen's team will be alerted to it, but 639 00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:35.239 it's not too late for them to ask questions like that. 640 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:42.199 But in some jurisdictions, a police accident report is not 641 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.880 a requirement, So I am not sure what the defense 642 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.800 team was thinking. I think it would have been very 643 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:53.599 helpful for them to ask that, because it really undermines 644 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.159 the fact that the defense excuse me, the commonwealth from 645 00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.280 all along. They're kind of saying, we knew, we knew 646 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:04.000 this was an accident based on her admissions, Karen's admissions 647 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.760 at the scene on that point. On that point, though, 648 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:13.000 in one breath, Buchanic said yesterday that she said she 649 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.079 hit him at the scene, and then in the next 650 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:18.239 breath he said she was questioning whether she hit him. 651 00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:24.599 So I think he's even conflating and convoluting her alleged 652 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:30.960 versions of events, And that also convolutes and conflicts with 653 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:34.719 what Proctor had said in one point Oh, if everyone 654 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:39.039 remembers in one point Oh, Proctor had said something to 655 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.639 the effect of quote, initially, we didn't know what we 656 00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.599 had because there was all this kind of evidence that 657 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.480 was coming out about he looked like John looked like 658 00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:54.159 he had gone rounds with Mike Tyson, and that he 659 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:58.440 had looked beaten up. So you had testimony prior testimony 660 00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.599 from Procter where he was saying, an Ishi, we didn't 661 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:05.360 know what we had. So that conflicts with Buchanick saying, well, 662 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.079 based on her admissions at the scene, we knew it 663 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:12.440 was a car accident. I think it was a missed opportunity. However, 664 00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:18.639 the absence of a police accident report isn't going to 665 00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:21.639 make or break It's not going to make or break 666 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:25.239 the case. It would have just been additional evidence that 667 00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:29.480 the defense could show to say you didn't know exactly 668 00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.840 what was going on at ground zero, and even if 669 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:36.079 you thought you did, you don't get to wrap a 670 00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:40.519 case up in a neat and tidy bow from moments 671 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.920 after it happened. You need to knock on doors, look 672 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:50.039 at ring videos, ask questions to quester witnesses, make sure 673 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:54.079 you're asking them witnesses go in and check the albert residents, 674 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.559 and they didn't do that. I'm hoping the jury understands 675 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:01.280 that with all of that confusion, and the police missteps 676 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.000 that that in and of itself is enough to create 677 00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:09.320 and foment reasonable doubt. That was a long winded answer 678 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:12.800 to your question, but it would have helped if they 679 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:13.159 went that. 680 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.360 All right, Well, let me, uh, you know what we're 681 00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:18.760 gonna get to. I'm gonna take a group of questions. 682 00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:21.840 I'd like to do them as quick, quick hitters, rapid fire, 683 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.639 because there's a lot of them. A lot of people 684 00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:25.960 have questions. But I want to thank a couple of 685 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.880 people we have. Do we have a new member? Let 686 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:33.840 me see so we have welcome, facts, opinions in real talk. 687 00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:36.800 Thank you so much. I'm gonna have to check out 688 00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.599 your I assume that you have a channel, so thank 689 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:42.159 you very much. Now, I mustay that was very cool 690 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.320 of you to join us. I think we're only ninety 691 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:46.719 nine cents a month. We're pretty cheap. 692 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:49.599 So I've seen them on Twitter. I think I've seen them. 693 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:50.519 I'm gonna look you up. 694 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:52.719 Uh yeah, I want Yeah, I'm gonna have to look 695 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:55.719 that up too. Let me look at its facts, opinions 696 00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:58.519 and real talk, so yes, I will. I would look 697 00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.360 for you mate. Uh. We also have love a Romi 698 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:04.000 with cheese as nurse Kim likes to call her Hiro. 699 00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.639 Thank you for being here. Look at this the legend 700 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.239 twenty duns. Are you mad? Dennis? Thank you so much, brother, 701 00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.320 that's very very kind of you. Still got to get 702 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.639 you to answer my question. I got to call you. 703 00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.039 Uh so I can, I can interview you on the phone. 704 00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.039 So thank you, Dennis. Those very kind of you. Uh So, 705 00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:28.760 all right, let me get let me get to the 706 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:32.320 top and see. Uh let's take these again, rapid fire, 707 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:35.880 quick hitters, and forgive me if we were so. I 708 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:39.000 think you already answered this one. Yes, they're gonna call Proctor. Yeah, 709 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.280 I think we got to that one from our theay 710 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.559 better right, Yeah, this is from the cat lady. Uh 711 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:48.559 and maybe you'd like to read this in some sort 712 00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.199 of an Irish No, I'm just kidding. Go ahead and 713 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:50.840 read this one, Dan. 714 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:55.079 The Commonwealth is also not planning on calling Brian Colin, 715 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:59.000 Albert Higgins, Tully Scordy Bellow. According to TB, I agree 716 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.719 with that. Should the defense also call these witnesses as 717 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:07.039 adverse witnesses? I do think yes, I do so. We 718 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.920 don't need to prove the third party culprit. It's we 719 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:13.519 want to emphasize reasonable doubt. If we're team Karen Reid, 720 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:21.599 but inviting Brian, not inviting, compelling Brian to Brian Albert 721 00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:25.159 and Brian Higgins to the stand. Let them face scrutiny 722 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:29.400 for their conduct, let them fall on their faces that 723 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.679 you can't pull punches here. You got to go for it. 724 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.440 Colin Albert, I have a little sensitivity in terms of 725 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.960 how I answer it, because I'm not one hundred percent 726 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.840 sure Judge bev is even going to let them call 727 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:46.639 him to the stand. I know they can't pursue third 728 00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:51.639 party culprit and if they're limited in what they can 729 00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.960 get from him, it might not be worth it to 730 00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:56.800 bring them to the stand. I mean, I think he 731 00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:59.639 was fully involved in what happened with John m'keeefe. But 732 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.280 if they're hands are tied, their hands. 733 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:03.440 Are tied, her knuckles. 734 00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:07.199 Tully needs to come to exactly. Tully needs to come 735 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:12.159 answer questions and Scorty Bellow one hundred percent, she's a 736 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:16.800 medical examiner and she did not give Proctor or Buchanic 737 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.119 what they wanted in terms of the manner of death. 738 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.920 So they'll be calling her and hopefully she has a 739 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:25.960 little bit of a chip on her shoulder towards the 740 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:29.920 commonwealth that abandoned her. And maybe she'll be a little 741 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:34.880 bit more forthcoming in her medical testimony as to whether 742 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:40.159 or not certain things were reasonably probable as causes of injury. 743 00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.440 Well, we'll see, because then they're going to be like then, 744 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.199 un Cross, They're going to say, well, last time you 745 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:50.039 said this was your testimony, not this so umm, and 746 00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:53.280 this one right here. What does it take to qualify 747 00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:55.800 for a witness to become a hostile witness? What are 748 00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.039 the rules? From miss Jessica and easy armud. 749 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.519 That's a great question, So that varies jurisdiction to jurisdiction, 750 00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:08.760 but generally speaking, to ask the court to label a 751 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.840 witness as a hostile witness, you have to have asked 752 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:18.000 that witness several times questions that are perfectly phrased, that 753 00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:22.360 are not objectionable, and the witness is just evading the answer. 754 00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:26.079 They're just not answering it. So if you're saying, you know, 755 00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:30.440 what color was the traffic light when you proceeded through 756 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:33.679 the intersection, and they're saying, oh, the sky is blue 757 00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:37.519 and the grass is green, ask them several times. They 758 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.239 don't give you the answer to a very reasonable question. 759 00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.480 You then can make an application to the court to 760 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.760 say I need permission to declare this witness as hostile. 761 00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:50.760 Nine out of ten judges will and Bev is a 762 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:52.960 huge variable at this point. 763 00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:55.960 Yeah, I wanted to say also, I've heard several of 764 00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:59.760 you attorneys. I just want to stitch back to Colin. 765 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:04.559 Several of you attorneys have said that in putting on 766 00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:08.559 a vigorous defense from someone for someone who's supposed to 767 00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:12.960 be presumed innocent until proven guilty, she should have allowed 768 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.920 calling in and the third party culprit because you have 769 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.400 to allow them every opportunity to clear their client and 770 00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:26.199 just hope that the prosecution has enough to impeach the test, 771 00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.239 you know, impeach their cross examination or the facts. But 772 00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:32.800 they don't write they should he should have been allowed. 773 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.360 According to the attorneys i've heard, I agree. 774 00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:38.480 I think there was enough for Colin Albert to be 775 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.000 considered a third party culprit from the get go. I 776 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.920 don't love, in fact, I absolutely hate the fact that 777 00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:49.199 Judge Bev did not permit him to be included in 778 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.239 the list of three along with Brian Albert and Brian Higgins. 779 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.000 And I'll go one step Further, I hate the fact 780 00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:59.920 that Judge bev in her written opinion on it actually editorial, 781 00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.480 the fact that it was a bit of a stretch 782 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:07.079 to have included Colin Albert in the first place. I 783 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:12.760 think there's quite a bit of reasonable probative evidence that 784 00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:17.039 would show at a minimum that Colin Albert was involved 785 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:21.960 in a cover up, if not the alleged crime itself. 786 00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:27.920 This is more gamesmanship on in my mind. This goes 787 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.599 along with that hostage video DJ that you were talking 788 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.280 about where you meet Paul Morrissey was going out of 789 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:36.519 his way to say Colin had nothing to do with this, 790 00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.400 and we now know that there was emails or communications 791 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:43.840 from a person named Julie, whether it was his mother 792 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:48.840 or another Julie, directly to the prosecutor's office to influence 793 00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:53.400 the content of that hostage video. In terms of not 794 00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:59.440 including or somehow sidelining Colin from involvement, this is wholly improper. 795 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.079 So I think Colin, it's a shame Collin's not going 796 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:06.719 to be included in terms of third party culprit. But 797 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:10.280 in light of that ruling, which I believe is reversible 798 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.239 error if there has to be an appeal later. But 799 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.360 in light of that ruling, I'm still not sure it's 800 00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:19.920 a productive use of time for the defense to call 801 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:25.599 him to the stand unless there's something that is really 802 00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:29.199 important that they have to prove, and that may very 803 00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:34.000 well be tied to Ali McCabe and her involvement and 804 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:39.639 her whereabouts and her whereabouts with him after they left 805 00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:43.079 the house. So I kind of I'm going to hold 806 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.519 whole decision on whether or not I think he should 807 00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:49.239 be called, but they'll call him if they think it's important. 808 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.760 I just think they're going to go after the two 809 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:56.840 Brians for now, and especially Brian Higgins, especially him. 810 00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.320 Oh yeah, he's a soft target, isn't he. I just 811 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.679 want to respond to this one for me from rights on. 812 00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:04.719 Once again, I said to you in the chat, no, 813 00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.800 we do not do politics on cab Ever, I was 814 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:13.159 responding because there was an assertion and we have been 815 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:17.280 corrected that in fact, Yuri's of family hales or he 816 00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:21.440 was born in Ukraine and not in Russia, which is 817 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:24.639 I don't care where the guy's from. My whole point was, 818 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:28.119 he's part of this culture. Now. It's like when you 819 00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.159 join the military and you spend you find yourself and 820 00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:33.079 you're like oh my god, I've been in for ten years. 821 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:37.400 You find that the military culture becomes imbued in you. 822 00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.719 You start to say things and act in a certain 823 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.920 way that you wouldn't have acted as a civilian. Well, 824 00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:47.920 in fact, the culture of covering for other cops and 825 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.800 for whitewashing things and thinking that you're above the law, 826 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:55.320 that you actually can commit crimes as a law enforcement 827 00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:58.000 officer or a peace officer, depending on what your astiction 828 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.599 you're in, you could be referred to as a peace officer. 829 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.960 That this culture is something that is imbued in uri. 830 00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.320 He is acting in concert like anyone who was born 831 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.039 here in America. And let me tell you something, You're 832 00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:12.559 going to find few people that love immigrants more than 833 00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:16.719 I am a married to one than I do. But 834 00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:21.239 he is part of the MSP culture. Forget about what 835 00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:25.480 country he's from, whether it's Ukraine, Russia, or any country 836 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:29.119 in the globe. He has decided that he is going 837 00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:33.559 to cover for those people that are committing these types 838 00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:37.000 of crimes and that that's okay because they're blue and 839 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:40.280 I'm blue. Well, I'll tell you what. Like I've said 840 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.639 a dozen and a half times on the show The 841 00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:48.639 Seals who dimed out Chief Eddie Gallagher, Chief Petty Officer 842 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.079 Eddie Gallagher, the Navy seal who shot and killed that 843 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:54.800 fifteen year old Afghani boy, shot him in the face 844 00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:58.079 and executed him. Those guys had seen him do several 845 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:01.599 different acts, and that was the act that culminated that. 846 00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:05.480 The seals on his team reported him to the JAG. 847 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:11.519 Not other troops, not RMYSF, not Marine Corps guys, not 848 00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:15.760 Air Force combat controllers, not Pj's his own team. So 849 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:20.519 take that, Take that, MSP guys and Canton guys, because 850 00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.159 you guys are not more together than Navy seal teams. 851 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:25.960 Sorry to sorry to break that to you if I'm 852 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:26.679 the first one. 853 00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:31.440 Can I just speak to this briefly, DJ. Yeah, I 854 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:37.639 think everyone everybody who looks at the witnesses in this 855 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:43.800 case should focus, in my opinion, should focus on what 856 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:47.880 they're saying and how important it is as to what 857 00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:50.960 they're saying or what they're lying about or what doesn't 858 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:55.840 make sense as opposed to who's from a country who 859 00:53:56.559 --> 00:54:00.119 got to glow up and got highlights and you know, 860 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:03.920 bronze er on their face, Like I just feel, and 861 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:09.440 maybe it's because because I've been a little bit paid 862 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:14.760 attention to or negatively. As I've been part of this 863 00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:19.400 from the sidelines, I think it just be be beneficial 864 00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:21.239 for everyone to kind of say it doesn't matter if 865 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:24.840 the guys you're Ukrainian or Russian, or whether someone looks 866 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:29.519 a certain way and let's Lithuanian. Why. 867 00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:29.800 Yeah. 868 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.920 But I don't mean to stand on a soapbox when 869 00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.679 I say that, because, to be honest with you, I 870 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:40.159 have certain opinions that I hold and biases that I hold, 871 00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:43.039 as do everyone on certain things, and I just keep 872 00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:47.199 them to myself. That's how I comport myself. But I 873 00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:51.159 like the fact that you don't put politics on cabs. 874 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:54.840 Yeah no, because you know where everybody is entitled to 875 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:59.280 their political opinion. Politics frankly drives us apart as Americans. 876 00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:01.519 I just had to say that because I'm part of 877 00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:04.280 the reunion committee from my high school and one of 878 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:08.079 the members of the committee got too politically charged DMS. 879 00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:11.079 So I put out something to the entire group that's coming. 880 00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:14.280 You know, please leave your politics at home, bring your henhood, 881 00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:17.320 sale or pride to the event, and leave your politics 882 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.079 either at the hotel room or at your house. 883 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:23.320 No, I will mention. Though on this point, I think 884 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:28.440 it was really sleazy for Brennan to be even asking 885 00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:31.960 Buchanic about his history and where you're from, and you know, 886 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.239 he's trying to pluck at the heartstrings of tell us 887 00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:38.079 your sob story and oh you were in the military, 888 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:43.360 and look, all of that is wonderful history for someone 889 00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:47.440 if they've emigrated to this country, if they have military service. 890 00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:50.199 Do not get me wrong, folks. But at the same time, 891 00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:53.280 who the fuck cares what did you do at the 892 00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:56.360 crime scene? I apologize for using profanity. 893 00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:59.360 I never this topic. Does it to you? 894 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.280 Yeah? Like, what did you do with the crime scene? 895 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:06.440 Who did you not interview? What missteps were made? Why 896 00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.960 are we wasting your taxpayer dollars? Like, that's the stuff 897 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:14.320 that's important. So when I hear lawyers try to conjure 898 00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:20.800 up these kind of artificial, artificially harvested sentiments from a 899 00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:26.239 jury by telling someone or bringing forth testimony about someone's 900 00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.440 history like that, it gives me the ick. I'm like, oh, God, Like, 901 00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:32.159 I don't even do that. I don't. I think it's 902 00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:33.880 just bush league, as I call it. 903 00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:38.599 There's one segment of society, one group in all of 904 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:44.000 American society that can remove you from your freedom at 905 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.679 will and then just have to demonstrate after the fact 906 00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:49.599 that it was warranted and that was our police officer. 907 00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:54.440 So when they are not comporting themselves ethically and honestly, 908 00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:58.519 and are in fact lying and framing and planting evidence, 909 00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:01.360 that's a big problem. And that's the big problem with 910 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:04.159 Uri is that he is part of that group that 911 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:08.000 can remove you from your freedom. We just had Brandy 912 00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:09.960 had a scare at the courthouse the other day for 913 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:14.280 saying peekaboo like absurd. So that's what it is. 914 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:16.880 Call me Brandy on that. I want to chat with 915 00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:20.800 you about that if you want. If you want buzz 916 00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:22.679 we have. 917 00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:25.679 It looks like we got another Oh this is from Terry. 918 00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:28.960 This one just thank you Terry Sue for saying that. 919 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.840 Thank you. I appreciate that. Like I love everybody, and 920 00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:36.079 when I took about a week off from streaming, I 921 00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:40.039 missed everybody, and I really try to recognize handles and 922 00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:42.360 use her names. And thanks to everybody who reached out 923 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.360 to me. Love you too, Terry Sue. 924 00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:50.719 Here's another one. Uh Nan, Can they ask Uri, are 925 00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:56.199 are you aware of why Proctor is no longer I 926 00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:59.320 think she means with MSP and try to get the 927 00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:01.960 text in that way a couple of words missing. But 928 00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:05.960 I think can they ask Procter? Why can they ask Uri? 929 00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.320 Why Proctor is no longer with MSP. 930 00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:12.000 So they can ask him? You know you are you 931 00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.079 aware he's no longer with the MSP. Whether BEV will 932 00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:18.239 allow that is beyond me. I mean, she sustains so 933 00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:22.239 many of the Commonwealth objections. The texts are coming in. 934 00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:26.039 The texts are in evidence, at least the ones right 935 00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:32.239 now between the police, you know, Proctor and Buchanic, and 936 00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:35.400 I think Fanning was on the chain as well, those 937 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:39.400 have I believe come into evidence. It's the ones right 938 00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:43.480 now involving the friends, the really sleazy ones where he 939 00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:48.320 degraded an objectified Karen, that are fair game right now 940 00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:53.199 as to how they come in. So I think it's 941 00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:58.599 sometimes risky to ask too many questions of a witness 942 00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:02.039 about an individual if you're trying to prove a point, 943 00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:10.159 because they've already I believe asked Buchanic, like I'm paraphrasing, 944 00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:11.920 but like what did you think of him? And he 945 00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:16.679 said he has integrity, The investigation was conducted with integrity, 946 00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.719 like if you ask it too much, you're then diluting 947 00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:24.800 the impact of what you already got out of him. 948 00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:28.079 So if I were the defense, I wouldn't touch it 949 00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:32.679 anymore with Buchanic as to what he thinks of Proctor, 950 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:37.039 I would want to argue in closing arguments and can 951 00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:41.679 you believe his superior you're a Buchanic sat in front 952 00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:46.119 of you and said that this investigation was conducted with integrity. 953 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:52.000 This investigator comported himself professionally and properly and with integrity. 954 00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:56.119 But as you saw, these were messages sent and this 955 00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:59.079 is what happened in terms of reports with wrong times, 956 00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:03.199 and there was this and that going on. So sometimes 957 01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:07.079 it's best not to really ask all the questions we 958 01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:10.719 want to ask, because you don't know what you're gonna get. Plus, 959 01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:14.559 I'll bet my law licenses that Buchanic is prepping all 960 01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.760 weekend with Brennan again, which is improper, but I know 961 01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:18.880 it's happening. 962 01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:22.719 Because they don't have any ethics whatever, whatever they're not 963 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.800 supposed to do, they're going to do. Yep. And thank 964 01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:28.679 you very much, Laurie Ross for that fiver. I really 965 01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:30.159 appreciate that was very kind of you. 966 01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:33.880 Oh you know what I'm going to do, guys for 967 01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:38.000 the rest of for your stream tonight, if anyone is interested, 968 01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:41.440 I'm going to chat match. So for anyone who throws 969 01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:44.519 a super chat, I will match that when when it's 970 01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:49.440 all reconciled through the YouTube reporting, I'm going to chat 971 01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:51.360 match to the Karen Reid Defense Fund. 972 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:56.239 So sorry, I was going to say thank you, Nan Gallagher. 973 01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:59.400 Yeah, okay if you want. 974 01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:02.079 Yes, ma'am And just for everybody, at the top of 975 01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:03.760 the screen pins at the top of the chat is 976 01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.519 the Karen Reid Defense Fund for you to donate if 977 01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:09.239 you are so inclined, and please Misscalagher take it away, 978 01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:09.800 all right? 979 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:13.440 Can Brian Higgins and Brian Albert's phone records get admitted 980 01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:17.320 without calling them as witness new That way they can 981 01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:20.440 show the calls between them at two twenty am or answered, 982 01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:21.320 not butt dials. 983 01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:21.559 See. 984 01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:23.960 Yeah, the answer to that is no. They have to 985 01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:27.679 be authenticated. And unless they're going to call an individual 986 01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:33.079 from like Verizon for example, that could authenticate phone records, 987 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:38.239 you can't get their phone records in. But I will 988 01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:41.159 say this, you want them to testify about the butt 989 01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:46.199 dials like their testimony is so unbelievable on the subject. 990 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:50.679 I want the jury to see that nobody butt dials 991 01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:55.119 that much, and all answers butt dials, butt answers and 992 01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:59.199 all in that little truncated window of time, Like they're 993 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:04.199 the most talkative people between like two am and five am, 994 01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:07.800 Like whether it's and by talkative, I mean active, whether 995 01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:12.280 they're butt dialing, whether they're butt hanging up, but answering. 996 01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:15.760 Apple Health data is showing Jen McCabe was up all night. 997 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:19.960 We want these people to have to explain themselves. 998 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:24.360 Yeah, yeah, I mean people guys do not leave parties 999 01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:28.880 say goodbye and then go and text that person at 1000 01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:31.679 two something in the morning. They don't do that. 1001 01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:34.719 So yeah, And did you guys see I only saw 1002 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:39.400 a fleeting comment about it, not on your stream. Did 1003 01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:43.400 you see that Aiden Carney made a comment about Brian 1004 01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.519 Higgins's apparel? Did you hear that? 1005 01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:47.079 No? 1006 01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:51.880 Okay, So everyone should always know this about me. I 1007 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.599 don't read everything. I read just enough to understand, and 1008 01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:58.199 then I promised myself I'll find time later, and then 1009 01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:03.360 I don't. But I believe there was a comment that 1010 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:07.320 came out of Turtle Boys tweets yesterday that said something 1011 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:11.719 to the effect of everybody pay attention to what Brian 1012 01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:17.800 Higgins is wearing in the waterfall video versus thereafter. So 1013 01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:21.480 I have a feeling the video of the sally Port 1014 01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:26.079 vicinity that was kind of more recently produced is going 1015 01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:30.119 to show him wearing a different shirt. Now, I don't 1016 01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:33.199 mean to be a conspiracy theorist when it comes to 1017 01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:36.679 talking about stuff like that, but maybe everyone should pay 1018 01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:39.800 attention to that. I don't know, Well, what if. 1019 01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:41.800 He was wearing a different shirt, what would that indicate 1020 01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:42.159 to You. 1021 01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:46.320 Could possibly and I didn't see the video, so it 1022 01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:49.000 was snowing, maybe he had a jacket on or something. 1023 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.840 But if he had a different shirt or different sweatshirt 1024 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:58.599 just a few hours after having left the waterfall, it 1025 01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.840 could indicate that maybe they're was bloodborne packagens on his 1026 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:07.599 shirt from some type of scuffle or kerfuffle that took 1027 01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:11.480 place at the Albert residence at thirty four Fairview. Why 1028 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:13.559 would you change I don't know. 1029 01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:16.639 Yeah, if he had, if he has a fireplace, I 1030 01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:19.760 would think that's where that article of clothing ended up maybe, 1031 01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:23.480 which which again, if you had a forensic team in there, 1032 01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:25.960 they would they would figure that out, you know. I mean, 1033 01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:28.679 I know that guy from duty ron Ed said, you know, 1034 01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:32.000 he would have found the blood one hundred percent he 1035 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:33.760 would have found the blood in the basement. I'm sure 1036 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:34.920 he would have found the blood there. 1037 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:37.760 And don't forget too. 1038 01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:42.960 In the text messages that were red Friday, Brian Higgins 1039 01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:46.199 says that he sometimes sleeps at the Canton Police Department. 1040 01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:49.000 He has an office there and alluded to have he's 1041 01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:52.400 slept there before, so he doesn't always have to drive home, 1042 01:04:52.599 --> 01:04:53.880 So just keep that in mind. 1043 01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:56.840 Yeah, and he's a total loser. He needs to get 1044 01:04:56.840 --> 01:04:59.079 a life. If you're if you find that you got 1045 01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:02.440 to sleep at the Canton in your little satellite office, 1046 01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:05.079 and you have no game with texting Karen Reid, who 1047 01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:09.039 was clearly just checking her market value, and you know 1048 01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:11.800 you go home at night and eat your Swanson Hungry 1049 01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:16.800 Man dinners. Brian Higgins, you are a total loser. And 1050 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.320 that is why I donated yesterday to the Karen Reid 1051 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:22.079 defense Fund. So maybe someone can buy you some game. 1052 01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:29.000 Oh anyway, all right, what have we got, oh, Lena? 1053 01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:32.360 Should we worry about the Commonwealth motion regarding the ring video? 1054 01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:35.679 Do never apologize for a questions? 1055 01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:36.800 We're here we're here for it. 1056 01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:40.480 Should we worry about it? We're not worrying about anything, Elena. 1057 01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:48.000 I know right now that the ring video or whatever's 1058 01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:50.679 in that motion, which I haven't fully read it, it's 1059 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:56.320 nothing to worry about. There is enough probative evidence if 1060 01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:59.599 it can be clearly explained to the jury that there 1061 01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:03.719 was ring video. It was notated by I think it 1062 01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:09.079 was de Chico. I'm not sure. Some officer noted the 1063 01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:12.159 presence of video in a certain window of time that's 1064 01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:16.480 no longer there. And it appears that Procter had access 1065 01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:20.519 and means an opportunity to the ring video over a 1066 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:24.320 period of time to discard it. That is a reasonable 1067 01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.559 inference that I'd like to see the defense make. That's 1068 01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:31.280 where I'm going to focus my attention, and I'm not 1069 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:34.440 going to worry about any motion that the Commonwealth files 1070 01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:38.320 in that regard. But yet again, it's just opportunity after 1071 01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:42.679 opportunity for the defense, excuse me, for the Commonwealth to 1072 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:48.760 try to knock out all of Karen's reasonable defenses to 1073 01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:52.360 protect her due process rights to get herself a fair trial, 1074 01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:55.000 because she's sure as hell isn't getting one from the 1075 01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:56.880 Commonwealth of Massachusetts. 1076 01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:59.840 Uh, and we should clarify ring video. I believe the 1077 01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:04.679 you mean from John's house, I do, okay, yeah, and. 1078 01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:07.239 What it's go And the one that's conveniently missing is 1079 01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:10.840 her coming home from thirty four fairvuear, which would show 1080 01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:14.039 the taillight is intact. So let them dig it up. 1081 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:15.880 I say, do it, do it? 1082 01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:16.920 Do it? 1083 01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:21.440 I agree. I love when you say it. Do it 1084 01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:25.719 like we want it. And if you've ever noticed when 1085 01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:31.679 when when AJ has been interviewed, he's always saying things like, yeah, 1086 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:34.400 no objection, we want it, we wanted to come in. 1087 01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:39.000 They're not hiding anything. The only thing that the defense 1088 01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:44.519 really put up a fight for was Karen's protected privileged 1089 01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:48.800 communications between her and her attorneys that should have never 1090 01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:54.039 been asked for. I have lost any modicum of respect 1091 01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:57.840 that I had for Brennan, which was minimal at best 1092 01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:01.519 to begin with when he asked for it. But everything else, 1093 01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:03.880 Karen and her team are like, We're an open book. 1094 01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:07.800 Just ask for it, Come at me, you know, do it, 1095 01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:10.760 so to speak. So I'm not worried about any of that. 1096 01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:15.000 Is his behavior consistent with that of an defense that 1097 01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:17.640 he's acting in the role of a defense attorney, a 1098 01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:18.159 little bit. 1099 01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:20.800 I hear people saying he's kind of acting like a 1100 01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:24.039 defense attorney. Yeah, I mean he's trying to knock out 1101 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:29.199 things that are being used as swords against his quote client, 1102 01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:33.479 which is the Commonwealth and the Mcalberts and the police 1103 01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:37.560 and the Massachusetts State Police. So in that respect, he is. 1104 01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:43.239 But I and I heard another lawyer on another stream 1105 01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:48.000 today kind of say, defense attorneys or salesmen. Defense criminal 1106 01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:50.720 attorneys or salesman, we have to sell certain things to 1107 01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:54.000 a jury. I disagree with that, and I want to 1108 01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:57.840 point this out because while Brennan is a defense attorney 1109 01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:01.720 and he's serving as a special appointed prosecutor, and he's 1110 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:04.720 acting a lot like a defense attorney for the reasons 1111 01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:10.279 I just described defense criminal defense attorneys who comport themselves 1112 01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:15.800 ethically and with skill. We're not salesmen. We are strict 1113 01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:21.600 proponents of justice. There's a big difference. You know, Karen 1114 01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:25.079 will never be declared innocent. At best, She's going to 1115 01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:29.479 be declared not guilty, and that basically means that the 1116 01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:34.680 Commonwealth did not prove or satisfy it's burden to prove 1117 01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:38.359 beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime or these different 1118 01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:42.039 layers of crime were committed, so she's never going to 1119 01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:45.520 be named as an innocent person. And I feel like 1120 01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:50.239 people like Brennan who are wearing on one side of 1121 01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:52.560 their head the prosecutor cap. On the other side of 1122 01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:55.000 their head, they're wearing the defense attorney cap. You know 1123 01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:58.520 what he should be doing. He should be staunchly standing 1124 01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:02.800 up for the principal of the United States Constitution and 1125 01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:07.439 give her the fair trial. Present all of the evidence fairly, 1126 01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:11.640 don't hide it, don't hide metadata, make excuses, don't do 1127 01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:16.119 any of that. Give her, not the Commonwealth, her the 1128 01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:21.479 constitutional right to a fair trial that she's entitled to. So, yeah, 1129 01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:23.960 I guess he's acting like one. I frankly think he's 1130 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:27.359 acting like a jerk, and I don't like listening to 1131 01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:29.119 him anymore. I miss Lally. 1132 01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:36.239 Yeah yeah, yeah, but it just it seems like if 1133 01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:39.000 you're given the case that he has, with a bunch 1134 01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:45.560 of planted, manipulated evidence, liars, criminals that are acting in 1135 01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:48.840 the role of police officers, he's probably playing the only 1136 01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:52.199 card that he has. And you guys have so many 1137 01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:55.880 questions here, we've got don't get to let me get 1138 01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:58.760 to this last one. They are gonna. I Nan does 1139 01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.920 think that she's going to call Higgins. So you can 1140 01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:04.680 answer that one quickly. This one says, I was so 1141 01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:07.399 depressed today listening to Sean and the Young Jerks. She's 1142 01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:11.640 probably talking about Sean McDonough. I didn't know who was it. Sean. 1143 01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:14.960 There was an attorney. I think his name was Sean Martin. 1144 01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:17.399 He was a guest on the Young Jerks today. 1145 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:21.159 Okay, talk about I'm sorry, good No. 1146 01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:25.239 He expressed some doubts that Karen will win this trial. 1147 01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:29.600 I mean, to me, the one card that they have 1148 01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:33.079 to play after like, because if they keep presenting reasonable 1149 01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:35.560 doubt in this manner, I think they're going to pile up, 1150 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:38.720 as Mark likes to say, your colleague, Mark betro a 1151 01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:42.560 mountain of reasonable doubt. But I think the final card 1152 01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:44.840 they have to play. And I'll ask you too if 1153 01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:47.239 you think they will play that card is to try 1154 01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:51.960 to influence the jury, and I mean the Alberts or 1155 01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:56.800 their proxies trying to influence the jury and scare the jury. 1156 01:11:57.199 --> 01:11:59.800 Do you think that that card is that's their last card? 1157 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.600 That's your thoughts on that, Nan and Bea. 1158 01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:05.079 I think they're going to I think they're going to 1159 01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:07.520 try to do that, and if the defense was smart, 1160 01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:09.880 they'll get out ahead of it and say this is 1161 01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:12.479 not to take place anymore. You know, they're not allowed 1162 01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:16.800 to sit in for closing arguments. And as far as 1163 01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:21.439 influencing the jury, you know, the bingo balls and deciding 1164 01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:28.680 whose alternates are not that has to be clearly observed, monitored, audited, 1165 01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:33.880 supervised as best as possible. I think this is where 1166 01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:38.479 having the addition of Attorney Victoria George will be vital 1167 01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:41.439 to them, just in terms of, you know, she doesn't 1168 01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:47.720 seem to be robustly substantively involved at a public level, 1169 01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:51.319 but just keeping eyes on the process and making sure 1170 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:55.800 that there is integrity in how how these jurors are 1171 01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:01.560 kept away from public or Mcalbert influence. It's just there's 1172 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:03.880 a lot of an honor code here. You know. The 1173 01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:06.359 defense has done everything they can to try to say 1174 01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:11.359 there's been governmental misconduct of an extraordinary nature in how 1175 01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:15.359 this jury one point zero was handled or mishandled. I 1176 01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:19.079 have a feeling it's not going to happen again because 1177 01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:22.319 all eyes are on it. So those are my thoughts. 1178 01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:25.079 I don't know what you think bea well, wasn't. 1179 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:27.920 There emotion that the defense had filed to keep them 1180 01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:31.560 out of closing arguments that they lost. So I think 1181 01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:34.199 the defense was kind of thinking ahead to it. 1182 01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:35.600 Yeah, you know, to that. 1183 01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:39.760 So, I mean, I think if they I think the 1184 01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:42.520 o'keefes are going to want them there to intimidate the jury, 1185 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:44.319 and I think that is I do agree that is 1186 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:47.880 probably their final, you know, try at it. But I 1187 01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:51.079 think the defense did get that motion denied, and so 1188 01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:54.560 I do think that they tried. But so I think 1189 01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:56.000 they're going to come back again. 1190 01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:59.119 Yeah, I think it's really sleazy. I think it was 1191 01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:03.079 sleazy when they came in theiring closing arguments in the 1192 01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:03.720 first place. 1193 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.600 I think, right, well, to me, I'm the way I'm 1194 01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:10.680 looking at it, you know, based on some let's just say, 1195 01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:14.960 some oral testimony that we took about Marty Kraft showing 1196 01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:18.439 up at a certain event and then doing something that 1197 01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:22.880 was quite scary to people that were protesting. Karen Reid. 1198 01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:26.119 I won't get into the details of it, but that's 1199 01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:30.159 something that is alleged to have happened. Although I don't 1200 01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:34.119 I'm not a first persason witness, I have somebody that 1201 01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:38.039 believes that that's what they saw happening, So I wouldn't 1202 01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:41.000 I wouldn't rule out them showing up in a parking lot, 1203 01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:47.119 showing up at a kid's school or event and just 1204 01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:49.039 staring at the person. I mean, there's not much you 1205 01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:51.840 need to do when you look like one of those guys, 1206 01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:53.920 when you look like an Albert or a Proctor and 1207 01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:56.880 showing up there. So I think that's a play that 1208 01:14:56.920 --> 01:15:01.279 they would make, in my personal opinion saying that that happens. 1209 01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:03.760 I hope it doesn't, but I agree. 1210 01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:08.479 I want to thank Carla FKR for gifting ten calling 1211 01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:11.359 all the Beings memberships. That was so kind of you. 1212 01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:15.439 And this is our mott aka the cat Lady. Thank 1213 01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:18.720 you so much for twenty cab memberships. Now must day. 1214 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:22.640 I must stay my friend. We're so lucky to have you. 1215 01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:27.439 And this right here, Oh, here's from Susie CJ. Okay, 1216 01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:28.079 this is you, Nan. 1217 01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:30.800 I can't understand who to have a negative word to 1218 01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:34.560 say about our beloved Nan. Oh, you are loved and admired. 1219 01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:39.520 Hope you have a happy Mother's Day. Agreed, thank you, 1220 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:44.159 that's all hard. Thanks so much, Susie CJ. I also 1221 01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:47.800 want to you reminding me I want to wish everybody 1222 01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:52.880 a happy Mother's Day tomorrow, including the non mothers and 1223 01:15:52.920 --> 01:15:55.840 those who have mothers, which is everybody, or those who 1224 01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:59.880 have lost their mothers. I've lost mine and I miss her, 1225 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:04.960 and if she were alive, she'd be all over this trial. 1226 01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:07.119 So I just want to wish everyone a happy Mother's Day, 1227 01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:13.119 take time to reflect and share love and just relax tomorrow. 1228 01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:16.279 And you know it only comes but once a year 1229 01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:19.560 where you're forced to think about how wonderful your mom is. 1230 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:21.359 And I'm going to force my kids to do it 1231 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:22.239 with me. 1232 01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:25.680 I was going to say dog moms too, but I 1233 01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:28.239 was going to tell you that I interviewed a brilliant 1234 01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:32.239 broadcaster on the other Cab show and her name is 1235 01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:35.159 that's the one where we do UFO's big Foot Paranormal. 1236 01:16:35.159 --> 01:16:37.880 And this woman is named Meredith for Real. She has 1237 01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:41.800 a great podcast. She's from Pensacola, and she's I said, 1238 01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:43.600 are you a mom? She goes, well, I'm a plant mom, 1239 01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:47.720 and I just I almost I almost fell off my chair. 1240 01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:49.319 What you call this plant? 1241 01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:53.239 I kill plants. I killed plants and fish. I don't 1242 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:54.479 kill kids, though. 1243 01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:56.720 So that's good, that's very positive that I'll keep you 1244 01:16:56.720 --> 01:16:57.199 out of Court. 1245 01:16:57.279 --> 01:16:57.920 That's awesome. 1246 01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:02.720 This is anti be Kangaroo Court three ring circus. Oh boy, 1247 01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:06.600 never heard a more accurate description of Auntie Bev and 1248 01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:10.640 her fiefdom. Man, what question would you want Alan to 1249 01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:12.359 ask that he hasn't already asked? 1250 01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:16.159 Okay, by the way, every time I hear Uri, I 1251 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:18.439 think of the movie No Way Out. Do you remember 1252 01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:20.439 No Way Out with Kevin Costner. 1253 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:23.920 Yeah, I don't know if I saw that one anyone, 1254 01:17:24.039 --> 01:17:24.560 but I know that. 1255 01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:28.000 Yeah, if you haven't seen No Way Out, it's like 1256 01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:32.359 from the eighties with Kevin Costner, Sean Young, the late 1257 01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:39.000 Gene Hackman. It's fantastic, and the lead character is named 1258 01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:42.159 Yuri and there are some parallels there. That's all I'm 1259 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:45.359 going to say. But anyway, what question would I ask? 1260 01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:50.600 I think a key question that has to come up 1261 01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:53.600 is about the invert the presentation of the inverted video. 1262 01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:56.920 That I don't know how I would ask it, because 1263 01:17:56.920 --> 01:17:58.640 I don't know how the evidence is going to be 1264 01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:01.720 permitted to come in or what BEV will allow. But 1265 01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:06.800 I think that BEV has to allow some questioning about 1266 01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:11.039 the presentation of an inverted video during one point zero, 1267 01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:14.680 and I would want to know from Uri Buchanic, you 1268 01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:18.560 know you gave prior testimony at a prior proceeding concerning 1269 01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:21.359 a video in the sally Port. Is that correct? Correct? 1270 01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:24.279 And that you testified that that was a true and 1271 01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:28.079 accurate depiction of the scene and circumstances involving the Sallyport? 1272 01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:32.079 Is that correct? Yeah? Okay, but what you actually presented 1273 01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:35.760 was an inverted video, but you tried to let a 1274 01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:38.880 jury know that it was fair and accurate. Can you 1275 01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:42.079 explain that? And he'll give his answer. But it really 1276 01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:44.840 doesn't even matter what Buchanic answers. The key is in 1277 01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:47.960 the questions. If you notice, half the time when BEV 1278 01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:53.279 sustains the Commonwealth subjections, AJ doesn't care because he got 1279 01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:56.079 the question out. So hopefully the jury's picking up on 1280 01:18:56.159 --> 01:18:56.680 this stuff. 1281 01:18:56.920 --> 01:18:59.239 And there's no way that they can show because the 1282 01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:03.760 Commonwealth didn't show it, they're the incorrect in the inverted 1283 01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:06.640 video because it didn't come from the Commonwealth. 1284 01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:11.000 Right, That's what I believe to be true. I wouldn't 1285 01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:15.720 be surprised if the defense wants to try to present 1286 01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:19.720 the inverted video somehow. I don't think BEV will allow it. 1287 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:22.000 So I don't let myself go down that rabbit hole 1288 01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:25.119 too often. But I would try. I would try to 1289 01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:29.159 show the jury both videos. I just don't think Bev's 1290 01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:29.920 going to allow it. 1291 01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:34.119 The other thing that's problematic is that she allows non answers. 1292 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:38.399 She allows them to answer the question. Brother counsel, your 1293 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:43.039 colleague and that you were on with previously said that 1294 01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:45.960 you have to at least what he says. I don't 1295 01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:47.880 know what y'all y'all's rules are, but he said you 1296 01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:51.079 have to answer the question I ask. You can't just 1297 01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:52.239 answer what you want. 1298 01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:56.640 Yes, that's it's an art, by the way, and it's 1299 01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:02.600 very important for trial lawyers to listen to the answers 1300 01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:06.800 that's not easily done, and to be able to bob 1301 01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:09.960 and weave based on the information you're given. Like I 1302 01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:18.359 don't think AJ was expecting Buchanic to completely not admit 1303 01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:24.399 eventually that Proctor was the lead investigator. Like AJ was like, wait, 1304 01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:27.479 you're can you just admit he was the lead investigator? 1305 01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:30.359 And Buchanic would not go there. So what did he do? 1306 01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:33.239 He went to Plan B and he's like, I am 1307 01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:35.239 going to show you this binder and we are going 1308 01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:38.640 to go tab by tab, page by page in excruciating 1309 01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:46.199 detail as to every single who signed, yeah, subpoena, warrant, anything, 1310 01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:50.479 report that Proctor signed. And this is where Buchanic lost 1311 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:53.760 so much additional credibility when he's like, well, you know 1312 01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:56.720 this isn't signed. If you show me an authentic copy, 1313 01:20:57.039 --> 01:20:58.960 I'll be able to tell you if that was Proctor. 1314 01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:02.680 And then he says he doesn't recognize if Procter's handwriting 1315 01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:07.279 is on evidence bag. This is this is not going well. 1316 01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:08.600 Not going well. 1317 01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:12.560 Such a garbage person. Thank you Anti Bev's Kangaroo Court 1318 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:17.079 for your VENTI sinko, your twenty five dollars. Thank you 1319 01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:20.159 so much. It's very kind of you. And the next 1320 01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:24.600 one is from Boston Branda, thank you very much for 1321 01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:25.560 our mud. 1322 01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:29.079 I love her, I do. 1323 01:21:29.239 --> 01:21:30.119 She is awesome. Andy. 1324 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:35.000 You you love all the way. You you don't know 1325 01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:38.119 how to love halfway. You are a special person. So 1326 01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:40.439 is b by the way, and you are too, DJ 1327 01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:42.920 But thank you uch a special place in my heart 1328 01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:43.640 for those two. 1329 01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:48.000 Thank you as you should, as you should. Jim's honesty 1330 01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:51.840 nine dollars and ninety nine cents, Thank you very much, mate, 1331 01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:56.640 I appreciate that. And Nan will read this with her dulcatone. 1332 01:21:56.079 --> 01:21:59.800 Voice dulcetone shit, I don't even know that word, all right, 1333 01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:03.800 and I was very much major. Oh okay, hi Nan. 1334 01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:06.840 Can the defense use the Canton audit to show police 1335 01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:10.760 protocol if they call proctor, he needs to be last 1336 01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:15.760 to leave that house impression on the jurors. There might 1337 01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:20.680 be a spelling error here, but anyway, yes, they should 1338 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:23.439 be able to use the Canton audit. I don't know 1339 01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:25.840 if BEV is going to allow it. That's always the 1340 01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:30.520 variable here. But the police audit that came out from 1341 01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:32.800 I forget the name of the group that did it, 1342 01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:39.079 that it came out last month, that audit is it's relevant. 1343 01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:42.880 I think it's favorable. As many people think, oh my god, 1344 01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:45.239 it's not a good audit for the defense, I think 1345 01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:47.560 it's a great audit for the defense. They went down 1346 01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:52.000 different channels where they were saying, oh, there was no 1347 01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:56.279 evidence tampering, etc. But none of those findings are real findings. 1348 01:22:56.319 --> 01:23:00.359 They weren't even charged to look into evidence tampering. That 1349 01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:05.720 audit shows on a very superficial accreditation type of level 1350 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:11.840 that there was lack of equipment, lack of proper protocols 1351 01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:17.199 followed in terms of photographing the scene in interviewing witnesses. 1352 01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:21.479 So I think they should use that to cross examine Proctor. 1353 01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:24.039 But even if they don't, there's a way to do 1354 01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:26.880 it effectively. You're seeing it with Buchanic, you saw it 1355 01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:30.600 a little bit with the other Gallagher, And if it 1356 01:23:30.640 --> 01:23:32.239 doesn't come in, they'll be fine. 1357 01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:37.239 Yeah, yeah, and they also so yes it was five stones, 1358 01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:40.920 thank you to that. Yes, But so who would they 1359 01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:42.560 bring that in through? Would it need to be a 1360 01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:44.439 police officer like what? 1361 01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:49.159 So if they want to bring in the five stone 1362 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:53.199 five stones audit, they'd have to the defense has to 1363 01:23:53.319 --> 01:23:56.720 name and make an application to name them as a 1364 01:23:56.800 --> 01:23:59.920 witness to go over some of their findings to authentic 1365 01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:03.880 kate the document. This is why I don't think it's 1366 01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:07.159 coming in. I think it should come in, but I 1367 01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:09.600 don't think it is coming in. But you don't need 1368 01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:12.840 it to come in before a jury to be able 1369 01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:17.319 to use it to question a jury, not jury, excuse 1370 01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:19.039 me a witness. So if you if you want to 1371 01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:22.720 question a witness and you want to say to them, okay, 1372 01:24:22.800 --> 01:24:26.119 well do you feel that there was a properly uh, 1373 01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:29.600 you were properly equipped to handle this crime scene in 1374 01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:32.720 the in the oncoming hours of a blizzard, like you 1375 01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:36.760 can ask those questions without saying and here's an audit report. 1376 01:24:37.239 --> 01:24:40.840 It takes a little level of sophistication in terms of 1377 01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:43.159 how you're laying out the questions. 1378 01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:48.520 But Helena's on the yeah, and Helena's on the witness list, 1379 01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:50.279 so she would probably be a good one. 1380 01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:53.159 And this is why, and I see you have someone 1381 01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:56.000 there saying this is then Easter should be able to 1382 01:24:56.039 --> 01:24:58.800 come in. He should have never been denied. Michael, Easter 1383 01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:03.800 should have been admitted as a police protocol expert or 1384 01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:09.319 an FBI protocol investigative expert to support the boat in defense. 1385 01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:12.920 That was that is reversible error. But they're doing okay. 1386 01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:15.720 The defense, in my opinion, is doing okay without them 1387 01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:16.199 right now. 1388 01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:20.319 Reversible error. So before I get so, Mark, first of all, 1389 01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:22.439 I just want to thank you for your nine to 1390 01:25:22.479 --> 01:25:25.359 ninety nine donation. Mark is also an I went to 1391 01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:28.680 my alma mater, Dean College, donating cause. Nan is matching 1392 01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:30.960 how we all doing tonight. What's up, brother, We're doing good. 1393 01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:35.600 Keep showing up. What changes when the defense has to 1394 01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:40.359 call these comebacks as supposed to spanking? She got to 1395 01:25:40.439 --> 01:25:45.319 that earlier, but basically the way the questions are asked. 1396 01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:49.000 So Nan will finish the point that you were going 1397 01:25:49.079 --> 01:25:50.640 to make, and then we'll get to this one. 1398 01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:52.520 I don't remember what point I was making. 1399 01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:55.399 It was from the chat it. 1400 01:25:55.840 --> 01:25:57.760 Oh Easter Michael Easter. 1401 01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:03.439 Yes, with vod in defense. Yeah, well you talked about 1402 01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:06.800 that there could be redress or remedy. Does that mean 1403 01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:10.239 appeal or what does that mean? 1404 01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:15.399 Essentially, so, the failure of Judge Bev to allow Michael 1405 01:26:15.399 --> 01:26:19.840 Easter in as an expert to support a Boden defense 1406 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:22.520 where the defense wants to be able to show this 1407 01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:28.960 was an investigative disaster, that there were police missteps. Not 1408 01:26:29.119 --> 01:26:32.199 allowing an expert to come in to support those opinions, 1409 01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:37.399 in my opinion, is reversible error. So if Karen is convicted, 1410 01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:42.279 that is one decision among many that should be included 1411 01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:43.880 in her appeal. 1412 01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:49.279 Among many, among many many not yet not allowing her, 1413 01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:52.520 not allowing the pro hoc feature of Mark Better, I 1414 01:26:52.560 --> 01:26:54.199 don't know if that's something you can name. But not 1415 01:26:54.359 --> 01:27:01.359 allowing her the maximum ability to defend herself against the 1416 01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:04.720 commonwealth charges, so against her presumption of innocence. Yeah, for a. 1417 01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:08.680 Good roadmap of her appellate issues, but not an all 1418 01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:13.520 inclusive list. One should look at her motion to dismiss 1419 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:18.920 the charges for extraordinary prosecutorial misconduct. That is a great 1420 01:27:19.119 --> 01:27:23.319 roadmap for appellate issues that have already arisen. Now that 1421 01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:26.960 motion was denied, and that is not an all inclusive 1422 01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:31.479 list of why she has appellate rights and likely would 1423 01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:35.439 be successful on an appeal if she's convicted, because there's 1424 01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:39.359 other decisions that were made, like barring Michael Easter or 1425 01:27:39.439 --> 01:27:43.720 permitting other witnesses for the Commonwealth to testify on things 1426 01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:47.640 that they're clearly not qualified to testify on. So I mean, 1427 01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:51.760 it's a very long list, but the most salient and 1428 01:27:52.079 --> 01:27:56.319 strong appellate arguments are in that motion to dismiss. And 1429 01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:59.760 thank you Mark for your DONO. I did answer that, 1430 01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:03.760 but if you want to reach out, like, I'm happy 1431 01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:05.279 to answer that again for you. 1432 01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:08.399 Yeah, just just real, real, briefly, basically, it gets to 1433 01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:11.520 the way that you ask questions. You know, it's that 1434 01:28:12.039 --> 01:28:14.039 what is that phrase that Lally used over. 1435 01:28:14.319 --> 01:28:16.399 What if any? What if any anything? 1436 01:28:16.840 --> 01:28:20.319 And then they have the latitude to expound upon that. 1437 01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:23.920 It's not asking yes or it's not the Kurt yes 1438 01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:26.439 or no. Kind of way you can frame up questions. 1439 01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:30.119 They have the ladder latitude to pontificate a bit on 1440 01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:33.159 your questions. Is that fair? Yeah? 1441 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:35.239 You should go to law school, DJ, you know. 1442 01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:38.920 No, you know, maybe I should. I got a full 1443 01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:41.520 time job. Thank you La Kitty for becoming a member. 1444 01:28:42.039 --> 01:28:47.279 Appreciate you, mate. And here's our friend from the Bronx. Hey, 1445 01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:51.239 I just got back. Who's messing with nan? Oh see 1446 01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:59.399 she wants already beat Somebody's. 1447 01:28:56.119 --> 01:28:58.920 A few people. You know what is I will say this, 1448 01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:02.840 I can hold my own with trolls. It's not all trolls, 1449 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:04.159 that's all I'll say, Pepper. 1450 01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:07.479 Yeah, yeah, that is more of a conversation for offline. 1451 01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:11.359 But unfortunately there are jealousies and all kinds of things 1452 01:29:11.399 --> 01:29:14.840 that happen that really don't need to happen when we're 1453 01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:18.840 dealing with something that's this serious. Yeah, So meet Paul 1454 01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:22.640 Marcy Nan. I like to call myself the Doctor Kavorkian 1455 01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:26.439 of plants. Please come into my house for assistance. I 1456 01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:31.039 love it's so funny. Oh my god, it's so funny. 1457 01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:36.840 I love your personality totally totally. All right, we're getting clothes, 1458 01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:40.079 We're we're really at the time for NaN's closing arguments. 1459 01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:43.159 As she's doing that, I know, we go about an 1460 01:29:43.159 --> 01:29:45.520 hour and a half and we start we start shutting 1461 01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:47.880 the store down. But I want to put some of 1462 01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:53.119 these up in here. Uh that is one hundred percent correct. 1463 01:29:53.720 --> 01:29:58.239 You cannot will not find a realer and more amazing 1464 01:29:58.319 --> 01:30:02.319 person in this movement. I've encountered and my co host 1465 01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:05.479 here has met a lot more people, Sabilla, have you met? 1466 01:30:06.279 --> 01:30:06.479 No. 1467 01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:09.800 And the thing is she's she's boots on the ground, 1468 01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:12.720 she's in the courtroom, she's and everywhere she says she's 1469 01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:14.399 gonna be, that's where she's at. 1470 01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:16.960 And I'll leave it to Oh my god, you guys 1471 01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:18.359 are gonna be a woman of her word. 1472 01:30:19.239 --> 01:30:24.079 Yes, that's one. So I'm gonna keep going through this. 1473 01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:26.319 But but while we're doing that to see if there's 1474 01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:28.039 something we got to get to. It looks like we 1475 01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:30.319 got another donu we're gonna have to get to and 1476 01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:34.520 once obviously, you guys know YouTube takes thirty percent of these. 1477 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:39.359 But I will tabulate and donate these two Karen Reid's 1478 01:30:39.560 --> 01:30:43.239 Defense Fund when they bestow that upon us, which is 1479 01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:46.039 around the end of each month. If I'm not yes, 1480 01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:46.840 so we're. 1481 01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:49.680 Gonna you and I will talk offline. There's a there's 1482 01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:52.319 a way to do it. I love doing chat matches though, 1483 01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:55.359 because it's a way to help. In my opinion, this 1484 01:30:55.399 --> 01:30:58.439 is what I'm comfortable doing. I know some lawyers who 1485 01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:00.720 come on streams don't like to do this, and I 1486 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:03.560 respect that as well. But I love to make people 1487 01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:08.000 feel like they're doubling their money. They give what they can, 1488 01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:11.119 they feel generous, and you don't have to give give 1489 01:31:11.159 --> 01:31:16.039 of yourself. Put something out on social media, Come come 1490 01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:20.479 do a standout. Tell five friends about the Karen Reid case. 1491 01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:23.319 Like my son who's ten, tells people all the time 1492 01:31:23.359 --> 01:31:25.359 about this. I think the people in our town think 1493 01:31:25.399 --> 01:31:31.079 I'm absolutely bad, shit crazy. But the point is, keep 1494 01:31:31.159 --> 01:31:35.479 showing up doesn't mean opening your wallet. It means opening 1495 01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:38.239 your heart and opening your heart for Karen and for 1496 01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:42.520 justice and against what's going on in Massachusetts. Because if 1497 01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:44.479 it can happen there, and it can happen to her, 1498 01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:47.520 it can happen to you or your loved ones. So 1499 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:51.600 I love to make people feel inspired. And if they think, Okay, 1500 01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:54.600 I made a five dollars or one dollar, dono, well 1501 01:31:54.640 --> 01:31:56.840 you just doubled it. And it's going to go to 1502 01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:58.760 the Karen Reid Fund. So I'll work it out with 1503 01:31:58.880 --> 01:32:01.199 DJ and BIA. 1504 01:32:01.399 --> 01:32:02.720 It all adds up for. 1505 01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:07.279 Sure, It most certainly does. Let's see if they want 1506 01:32:07.279 --> 01:32:11.960 to bring Easter given URI's testimony, since it's evidentiary, could 1507 01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:14.439 it be an interlocatory appeal? 1508 01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:18.479 Okay, great questions. So if they want to bring if 1509 01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:22.399 they want to ask to bring in Easter given his testimony, 1510 01:32:22.479 --> 01:32:25.319 I don't think it could be an interlocatory appeal, which 1511 01:32:25.359 --> 01:32:28.039 is an appeal filed in the midst of a trial 1512 01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:32.079 or in the midst of a proceeding, meaning a case 1513 01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:35.520 leading up to a trial. But I have heard buzz 1514 01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:38.159 about this. I have heard people say in light of 1515 01:32:38.239 --> 01:32:43.600 Yuri's testimony, there's been enough stated from him as far 1516 01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:48.520 as police missteps and investigative missteps, that there should be 1517 01:32:48.560 --> 01:32:52.399 a renewed motion to permit Easter to testify. I do 1518 01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:56.199 believe there should be a renewed motion to have the 1519 01:32:56.319 --> 01:33:00.840 judge reconsider her decision to bar Michael Easter. She's going 1520 01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:04.439 to deny that, so nobody get their hopes up. It will, 1521 01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:08.680 in my opinion, not trigger an immediate right to an 1522 01:33:08.720 --> 01:33:14.039 interlocatory appeal. I see it as a post trial appellate issue. 1523 01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:18.039 That's my opinion. Different lawyers might disagree on. 1524 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:22.640 That, And that's because and explain interlocatory appeals basically during 1525 01:33:22.640 --> 01:33:23.119 the trial. 1526 01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:26.760 Essentially, Yeah, like it's got to be real serious, and 1527 01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:33.119 that's it's the Easter issue. Isn't really serious. It is important, 1528 01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:37.720 But an interlocatory appeal in the midst of an ongoing 1529 01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:41.760 criminal trial, when a jury has been impaneled and they've 1530 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:47.520 been sworn and jeopardy has attached, it's the likelihood that 1531 01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:51.399 an appeal could be filed on an interlocatory meaning in 1532 01:33:51.439 --> 01:33:56.520 the midst type of basis for relief is so low 1533 01:33:56.880 --> 01:34:00.439 that I wouldn't I wouldn't waste time or breath on it. 1534 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:06.720 And the money, Yeah, it would be more. It would 1535 01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:10.680 be sort of more damaging to Karen from a financial 1536 01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:13.760 perspective to have to hold everything up, pay the lawyer, 1537 01:34:14.119 --> 01:34:18.000 get the appellate lawyer probably to go and present this case, 1538 01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:21.359 and then how long until they hear it. Yeah, it 1539 01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:22.760 would piss bev off big time. 1540 01:34:23.199 --> 01:34:26.840 I don't think mechanically it could happen, guys, because you've 1541 01:34:26.840 --> 01:34:29.560 got a jury waiting, Like, it's just not it's not 1542 01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:32.439 going to happen. But also, like I said, I think 1543 01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:35.760 the defense is doing just fine without him. I don't 1544 01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:40.039 think he's necessary. They have his report, they can still 1545 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:44.479 use him as a consultant. So I mean, I serve 1546 01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:47.760 as a consultant on different trials. People call me all 1547 01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:50.319 the time and say, we're not calling you as a witness, 1548 01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:52.479 but what do you think of this? Or can you 1549 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:54.920 do this or this with these witnesses for us? So 1550 01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:59.560 they can still rely upon Michael Easter without putting Michael 1551 01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:03.000 Easter before a jury, And that is where I think 1552 01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:06.960 their time and money and resources are better served. 1553 01:35:07.960 --> 01:35:10.359 Thank you, Audrey Sova for the five dollars. That was 1554 01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:16.479 very kind of you. I don't but it's completely improper 1555 01:35:17.279 --> 01:35:20.119 for her not to be able to show from a 1556 01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:25.760 professional investigator how shoddy this investigation was. And it seems 1557 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:31.119 like Bev is portraying this as as poisoning the jury or. 1558 01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:34.520 How am I You're saying it's. 1559 01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:42.800 Just prejudice, you got it, Yeah, prejudicing the jury towards 1560 01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:48.159 the prosecution. But that's what the defense's job is is 1561 01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:52.640 to impeach the prosecution's case and show how what they 1562 01:35:52.680 --> 01:35:59.439 did was improper, was faulty was maybe conspiratorial if if, 1563 01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.880 if they wanted to go So, I don't like she's 1564 01:36:02.920 --> 01:36:07.439 depriving Karen of her right to bring in someone say say, yes, 1565 01:36:07.600 --> 01:36:11.479 this is all the areas where their investigation was flawed. 1566 01:36:11.520 --> 01:36:14.479 I don't see how on what ground she could deny that. 1567 01:36:15.720 --> 01:36:20.399 I agree. I'm sorry to interrupt you, DJ because her 1568 01:36:20.479 --> 01:36:26.479 decision Judge Bed's decision to bar a police investigative expert. 1569 01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:29.119 I know he's an FBI guy. I do think they 1570 01:36:29.199 --> 01:36:32.319 probably should have gotten a police expert as opposed to 1571 01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:36.560 FBI that could have made or made or broke whether 1572 01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:38.920 or not she granted the motion, I'm not sure. 1573 01:36:39.439 --> 01:36:42.239 Retired state trooper detective from another state. 1574 01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:45.880 Yeah, in fact, I know some. I know some because 1575 01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:48.840 I've engaged some on some police matters that I did 1576 01:36:48.920 --> 01:36:55.119 back in the day. But with that said, I feel 1577 01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:59.560 very strongly that she made absolutely a bad ruling by 1578 01:36:59.600 --> 01:37:05.439 barring him. Most jurisdictions in the nation permit the admission 1579 01:37:05.600 --> 01:37:09.039 of an expert to come in to support a boden 1580 01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:12.279 defense where there is and the defense wants to show 1581 01:37:12.359 --> 01:37:19.399 police missteps. Investigator right, So she seems to think, oh, 1582 01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:23.840 that would prejudice the Commonwealth or somehow taint the jury 1583 01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:28.039 against the Commonwealth. If only one side, meaning the defense, 1584 01:37:28.119 --> 01:37:34.319 brings in an expert, either side is able to have 1585 01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:37.039 experts of their choosing. If you saw, like, if you know, 1586 01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:41.680 Commonwealth has a stupid weather expert who you know, the 1587 01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:44.199 at least the original plan was for him to say 1588 01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:47.039 the ground was hard as a rock. Do we have 1589 01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:50.880 a defense weather expert? No, because they don't give a shit. 1590 01:37:53.560 --> 01:37:59.399 You know, I feel like it's it's absolutely the Commonwealth's choice. 1591 01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:04.439 They couldn't. Not only could they have contacted Arca and 1592 01:38:04.600 --> 01:38:08.039 used Arka, but they put their blinders on and ignored Arca. 1593 01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:13.520 They could have tried and tried to hire police experts 1594 01:38:13.560 --> 01:38:20.359 to defend the absolutely abysmal investigative conduct of the Canton 1595 01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:23.479 p D and the Massachusetts State's Police State Police. They 1596 01:38:23.479 --> 01:38:26.239 didn't do that. They could have on do you know 1597 01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:29.520 where they spent their time, folks, let's recap. They spent 1598 01:38:29.640 --> 01:38:35.159 their time and their money ignoring Arca and ignoring getting 1599 01:38:35.199 --> 01:38:38.720 a police expert. They decided to hire Sir Ian Wiffen, 1600 01:38:39.239 --> 01:38:45.680 who completely just eviscerated on the stand the other day 1601 01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:49.680 in front of Alessi or Jessica Hyde, and why did 1602 01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:52.560 they do that. They put both of these people who 1603 01:38:52.600 --> 01:38:58.760 made horrible concessions for the Commonwealth that completely benefited the defense. 1604 01:38:59.279 --> 01:39:03.560 They put these people on because their testimony is the 1605 01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:09.479 only testimony that could have tried to refute the two 1606 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:15.279 twenty seven am call and some of the whereabouts and 1607 01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:20.880 quote steps. Yes, he get the Apple health data, you know, 1608 01:39:21.439 --> 01:39:25.319 talk about Apple source code. These are the types of 1609 01:39:25.399 --> 01:39:28.880 people that the Commonwealth wants you to trust them. 1610 01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:29.079 Bro. 1611 01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:33.680 So okay, but the judge should have allowed Michael Easter 1612 01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:37.960 in and they didn't. So here we are. But either way, 1613 01:39:38.079 --> 01:39:40.680 I'm giving the defense team. You guys are getting an 1614 01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:44.319 a minus thus far from Nan Gallagher in terms of 1615 01:39:44.359 --> 01:39:47.119 I think it's been thirteen days of trial, things are 1616 01:39:47.159 --> 01:39:50.640 looking great, and you haven't even rolled your sleeves up 1617 01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:56.359 and put on your case. Yeah, it's the same going 1618 01:39:56.439 --> 01:40:00.000 to give you always got to give people an a minus, 1619 01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:05.920 otherwise they rest on their laurel much much better. Yeah. 1620 01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:09.560 Absolutely, Thank you very much, gabble Guide for the nine 1621 01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:11.920 to ninety nine Thank you for the coverage and inside 1622 01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:14.920 free Care and read Free Turtleboy one hundred and we're 1623 01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:19.439 with you on that. Uh, this is crochet Crime thirty. 1624 01:40:19.880 --> 01:40:22.680 Thank you for sharing your wisdom. Nan, Always love how 1625 01:40:22.720 --> 01:40:26.439 cordial you are with all. Yeah, that's Nan Gallagher. That's 1626 01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:29.560 that's her off air when you're talking to her. Is 1627 01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:32.520 what exactly what you see here. That's what happens when 1628 01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:33.560 we speak with her off air. 1629 01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:38.479 So that's true. I was raised right my mama me, 1630 01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:41.479 My mama told me to always be nice. Thank you. 1631 01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:45.039 Uh, Nan, don't know the ghost of Brian Higgins sim 1632 01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:51.399 Card somewhere in a in a dump somewhere in Greater 1633 01:40:51.479 --> 01:40:54.920 Massachusetts area. Don't knock the meteorologist. Not only did he 1634 01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:56.880 do a bang up job for the defense, he also 1635 01:40:56.960 --> 01:40:59.960 taught us the origin of wind chill. Oh fair pace, 1636 01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:02.119 thank you so much. Yeah, that temperature and due point 1637 01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:05.359 and the wind speed thing is just it's uh, it's 1638 01:41:05.439 --> 01:41:08.039 very hard for the mind to grasp something. We love that. 1639 01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:11.319 I agree, But you know what, if I were a juror, 1640 01:41:11.399 --> 01:41:13.680 I would be like, why are you telling me this stuff? 1641 01:41:13.720 --> 01:41:17.640 Like why am I listening to a meteorologist? But you're right, 1642 01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:19.880 ghost of Brian Higgins Simcard. 1643 01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:24.560 Yeah, the uh yeah, I mean, once they see that injury, 1644 01:41:24.560 --> 01:41:27.479 they're gonna have to square that injury. On the back 1645 01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:32.840 of his head with with what the frozen ground theory. 1646 01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:35.680 If they if they can even prove that it's a 1647 01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:37.680 that is frozen ground, that is going to be a 1648 01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:42.199 very very difficult Oh here's another one from Boston, Branda. 1649 01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:45.159 It's going to be very difficult for them to to 1650 01:41:45.279 --> 01:41:46.840 prove that there is something. 1651 01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:48.720 I would want to mention. I know you want to 1652 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:50.640 You're going to be coming to a close and I'm 1653 01:41:50.680 --> 01:41:54.680 trying to answer this question in more moment. There was 1654 01:41:54.720 --> 01:41:59.880 something that popped up yesterday about uh Buchanic claiming that 1655 01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:06.000 Karen stated that John hit his head two days before 1656 01:42:06.760 --> 01:42:09.920 accident or sustain some type of head injury. I don't 1657 01:42:09.960 --> 01:42:13.680 remember what the words were. People are buzzing about it. 1658 01:42:13.720 --> 01:42:15.640 What's going on? What do you mean she said he 1659 01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:19.199 hit his head two days before. I don't know, but 1660 01:42:20.159 --> 01:42:26.199 it is my current working theory that that injury, alleged 1661 01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:31.279 injury two days before is going to tie into the 1662 01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:40.199 Commonwealth's neurosurgeon experts findings. He's the neurosurgeon for the Commonwealth 1663 01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:44.960 who is replacing Scorty Bellow. I don't think he's qualified 1664 01:42:45.000 --> 01:42:48.960 to he's not a forensic pathologist. But they found someone 1665 01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:52.960 not the medical examiner, who's supporting their findings. And I 1666 01:42:53.039 --> 01:42:57.119 have a feeling that a hit or impact two days 1667 01:42:57.159 --> 01:43:01.600 prior to the event in question on the head is 1668 01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:07.880 somehow going to tie into the neurosurgeon's findings. So if 1669 01:43:07.960 --> 01:43:11.119 I'm right, folks, and I don't see these reports, If 1670 01:43:11.159 --> 01:43:12.880 I'm right, you got to buy me a coke. 1671 01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:14.319 There we go. 1672 01:43:14.800 --> 01:43:17.119 And I think there was a question from people in 1673 01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:19.800 court that I missed when I went off on that tangent. 1674 01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:23.960 So i'll do guys, it was, but I'll go back. Yeah, 1675 01:43:23.960 --> 01:43:26.359 I'll go back up to that. I'll try to find 1676 01:43:26.399 --> 01:43:26.920 that one. 1677 01:43:28.239 --> 01:43:30.520 If I missed it, people in court, you can always 1678 01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:34.760 just reach out to me on Twitter or Facebook. 1679 01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:39.319 It might have been about Jen mccabs people in court. 1680 01:43:39.520 --> 01:43:41.960 Is not this one? Right? I think it might have 1681 01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:44.520 been about Jen McCabe's health data. 1682 01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:49.319 Okay, oh yeah, here it is. Why did they not 1683 01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:52.279 ask about Jen's Apple health data and about her being 1684 01:43:52.359 --> 01:43:56.039 up all night? I agreed that I don't know, and 1685 01:43:56.079 --> 01:43:59.800 I think that was a missed opportunity. But the net 1686 01:44:00.359 --> 01:44:04.319 grade that she gets on her testimony, she gets an 1687 01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:08.920 F minus. She did so poorly that I don't care. 1688 01:44:09.279 --> 01:44:11.760 I don't care that they didn't ask her so. 1689 01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:15.520 And hopefully they picked up on the fake apologies because 1690 01:44:16.399 --> 01:44:18.239 Jackson called her out on them. 1691 01:44:18.720 --> 01:44:20.600 I think that was great, and he was trying to 1692 01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:23.239 jab her a little bit, and I think it was 1693 01:44:24.239 --> 01:44:27.399 that those are good little dramatic moments that the jury 1694 01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:30.560 will pick up on. Can I explain the buffer zone 1695 01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:31.720 ruling suit? 1696 01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:31.920 TI? 1697 01:44:32.119 --> 01:44:34.479 I didn't read it, but I did talk about it earlier. 1698 01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:37.399 It looks like the federal court wants Judge Bev to 1699 01:44:37.479 --> 01:44:43.119 reduce the breath and scope that the wid and geographic 1700 01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:48.079 diameter of the buffer zone, and they're giving Judge Bev 1701 01:44:48.159 --> 01:44:50.039 a certain timeframe in which to do so. 1702 01:44:50.840 --> 01:44:54.720 Another quickit hit her here, among many things, how problemmatic 1703 01:44:54.840 --> 01:44:56.960 is it for Higgins to have said he didn't see 1704 01:44:57.239 --> 01:45:00.119 John o'keef because of the snowbank when he left, but 1705 01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:02.640 the weather witness said there was only enough snow to 1706 01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:03.720 track a cat. 1707 01:45:04.439 --> 01:45:07.399 Well, Richard Johnson, I think you know the answer to that. 1708 01:45:08.319 --> 01:45:12.359 Your answer to your question is in your question. He lied. 1709 01:45:13.359 --> 01:45:18.079 So I think that's a good tip for AJ to, Thanks, 1710 01:45:18.119 --> 01:45:20.159 Miss Lynn. I think that's a good tip for AJ 1711 01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:23.079 to kind of go at him. Sometimes it's best not 1712 01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:27.239 to call experts because they will provide you with testimony 1713 01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:30.239 that you don't want. And wasn't it great? Did you 1714 01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:35.439 all see Jessica Hyde apologize Brenn in the other day 1715 01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:38.920 for having to concede about the failure to put the 1716 01:45:38.960 --> 01:45:42.199 phone in a Faraday bag. Love it this stuff. This 1717 01:45:42.800 --> 01:45:44.840 trial is the gift that keeps on giving. 1718 01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:50.199 Right now to me, the biggest witness, to me, the 1719 01:45:50.199 --> 01:45:53.560 most important witness in the trial. There's two things I think. 1720 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:59.279 One of them is to show the defenses uncut, unedited 1721 01:45:59.399 --> 01:46:04.159 video of Karen backing out tapping John's car and then 1722 01:46:04.199 --> 01:46:07.359 when she hits the brake lights and comes to a stop, 1723 01:46:07.479 --> 01:46:10.880 showing that video unfettered the way that because this is 1724 01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:15.000 what Olivia told us, unfettered in the way that Lally 1725 01:46:15.079 --> 01:46:17.479 showed it last time. So for the devents to show 1726 01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:21.319 their video so they can just see it at speed, 1727 01:46:21.359 --> 01:46:23.520 then they can see it slow mo, they can see 1728 01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:28.239 the red light. And then Officer Nicholas Barrows. Because if 1729 01:46:28.279 --> 01:46:32.079 you believe Officer Nicholas Burrows, the case is over. 1730 01:46:33.119 --> 01:46:36.479 Oh I agree, it is over. And all of your audience, 1731 01:46:36.560 --> 01:46:39.279 if you're not sorry, I'm glitching. If you're not following 1732 01:46:39.439 --> 01:46:44.960 Olivia Olivia Lambeau, who's known on I think she's known 1733 01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:48.199 on YouTube as Olivia Nile. But if you're not following her, 1734 01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:53.520 it's a huge missed opportunity. She She's one of several 1735 01:46:54.439 --> 01:46:57.920 key people who the ones to watch, and the way 1736 01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:02.560 she delves through data and analysis is just spot on. 1737 01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:06.079 I learn a lot from her and I'm in awe 1738 01:47:06.119 --> 01:47:08.760 of her every day when I read her posts. 1739 01:47:09.039 --> 01:47:11.920 But now, if you could speak to Nicholas Barrows and 1740 01:47:12.079 --> 01:47:15.039 the gravity of the lack of photos of the vehicle 1741 01:47:15.439 --> 01:47:18.560 as it's set there, which I think would violate any 1742 01:47:18.640 --> 01:47:21.439 police protocol that any of us lay persons have ever 1743 01:47:21.479 --> 01:47:23.840 heard of, and then the fact that he says that 1744 01:47:24.319 --> 01:47:28.279 if he can establish that the photo they're showing does 1745 01:47:28.319 --> 01:47:32.279 not match up with what he saw, then the only 1746 01:47:32.319 --> 01:47:36.000 thing Hank's left with is whatever dirt that Marty Kraft 1747 01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:39.680 has dug up on Nicholas Barrows and that they can 1748 01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:40.680 attack his character. 1749 01:47:41.359 --> 01:47:47.560 Yeah, Nicholas Burrows is really he seems to be an 1750 01:47:47.600 --> 01:47:51.680 honorable an honorable cop. There are not many in this storyline, 1751 01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:54.239 and frankly, I wonder if there are many in that 1752 01:47:54.800 --> 01:47:58.199 geographic zone. But what I will tell you is that 1753 01:47:59.520 --> 01:48:04.520 Nicholas Borrow seems to be one of very few people 1754 01:48:04.640 --> 01:48:09.119 who had first hand observation of the condition of the 1755 01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:13.359 tail light at the time that the vehicle was procured 1756 01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:18.119 from the parents home and put on the tow truck. 1757 01:48:18.479 --> 01:48:20.800 I don't know what the tow truck driver is going 1758 01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:23.880 to say. Either way, I don't know why anyone didn't 1759 01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:25.800 photograph this, even if that car worke. 1760 01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:29.079 Yes, you do, yes, you do know? Why why didn't 1761 01:48:29.079 --> 01:48:29.840 they photograph it? 1762 01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:30.079 Nan? 1763 01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:34.039 But people like, but why didn't they photograph it? Because 1764 01:48:34.039 --> 01:48:34.359 they could? 1765 01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:39.119 Karen, Well, I agree, but the tow truck driver. 1766 01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:42.119 Come well, I'm not talking about the tow truck driver. 1767 01:48:42.600 --> 01:48:47.159 I wanted state police metadata photos and you know why 1768 01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:51.039 they didn't take those photos that I know, But the. 1769 01:48:51.640 --> 01:48:54.439 Tow truck driver sorry bee, go ahead, no, no, no, 1770 01:48:54.479 --> 01:48:57.840 go ahead. Like the tow truck driver, I don't really 1771 01:48:57.920 --> 01:49:02.119 know fully what Nicholas borrows specific role was at that 1772 01:49:02.279 --> 01:49:04.840 specific time. Maybe I could give him a pass for 1773 01:49:04.920 --> 01:49:09.399 not taking a picture. But the tow truck driver, I mean, 1774 01:49:09.439 --> 01:49:14.239 I got my car towed and it was it exploded 1775 01:49:14.239 --> 01:49:16.000 on the side of a highway a few years back. 1776 01:49:16.039 --> 01:49:19.239 I'll send you pictures. It's pretty amazing. But anyway, the 1777 01:49:19.239 --> 01:49:23.399 tow truck driver took pictures right away because just for 1778 01:49:24.720 --> 01:49:27.520 it's a bailment. You know, this is the condition of 1779 01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:30.000 your car when you give it to me. 1780 01:49:30.399 --> 01:49:32.079 Can I present this scenario for you? 1781 01:49:32.399 --> 01:49:33.199 I would love that. 1782 01:49:33.600 --> 01:49:36.199 Okay, So if two troopers want your tow truck driver 1783 01:49:36.760 --> 01:49:39.319 who may have a record of who knows what, and 1784 01:49:39.359 --> 01:49:41.199 two troopers walk up and say, you're not going to 1785 01:49:41.279 --> 01:49:45.079 take photos of this car, you can take photos of 1786 01:49:45.119 --> 01:49:48.600 the car. No, there you go. But you know all 1787 01:49:48.640 --> 01:49:52.680 these things, so all these things are very easily answered. 1788 01:49:53.199 --> 01:49:56.600 The troopers didn't take photos because they need they needed 1789 01:49:56.640 --> 01:49:59.560 to not have present any evidence to the defense that 1790 01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:03.520 could act Skullpate Karen and the tow truck driver. If 1791 01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:05.760 they told him you're not taking pictures of the car, 1792 01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:08.680 he would have not have said do you understand that? Yes, 1793 01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:12.800 I understand that these guys are not you know, talk 1794 01:50:12.840 --> 01:50:15.560 about how they came in Brandy the other day. These guys, 1795 01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:20.760 these guys come at you with an authoritative posture, especially 1796 01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:23.600 if they're a state trooper, more so even than if 1797 01:50:23.640 --> 01:50:26.880 they're a town police officer. Because obviously it's hierarchical. If 1798 01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:29.920 there would have been an FBI agent who had some 1799 01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:33.439 sort of command of the case, what do you think 1800 01:50:33.479 --> 01:50:36.439 his posture would have been over the other two the 1801 01:50:36.479 --> 01:50:39.079 town cop, the and the state trooper. He was up, 1802 01:50:39.920 --> 01:50:43.279 this is my crime scene. Everybody make a thirty foot 1803 01:50:43.359 --> 01:50:46.920 circle around it and don't penetrate that, and then everybody. 1804 01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:50.199 So you have to understand that in this case, the 1805 01:50:50.239 --> 01:50:55.079 authoritative tative figure are the troopers with the state police badges. 1806 01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:57.000 And if they would have told that guy, you're not 1807 01:50:57.079 --> 01:51:00.319 taking photos, then he's going to say yes, sir, and 1808 01:51:00.359 --> 01:51:01.680 he's not going to take photos. 1809 01:51:01.920 --> 01:51:02.199 Yeah. 1810 01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:07.239 And in regards to Officeer Barrows, if the prosecution doesn't 1811 01:51:07.279 --> 01:51:10.680 call him, but the defense does, they would be able 1812 01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:13.439 to have a conversation with him prior and show him 1813 01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:16.159 the taillight to already know the answer when he testifies. 1814 01:51:16.239 --> 01:51:21.279 Correct, that's right, which I would strongly recommend because you 1815 01:51:21.359 --> 01:51:24.199 know the old adage never ask a question you don't 1816 01:51:24.199 --> 01:51:28.840 know the answer to. And my personal opinion is that 1817 01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:33.359 Barrows' testimony in one point zero was favorable. Yeah, the 1818 01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:38.079 taillight was was cracked but not completely broken or whatever 1819 01:51:38.119 --> 01:51:45.279 he specifically said, but it was limited so I worry 1820 01:51:45.399 --> 01:51:49.960 deep down as to what he will say if he's 1821 01:51:50.159 --> 01:51:53.920 asked more questions about it. Like, so, I have a 1822 01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:57.439 little bit of trepidation. I'm putting a lot of faith 1823 01:51:58.079 --> 01:52:01.560 in Nicholas Barrows. I'm calm implementing him as a witness 1824 01:52:01.640 --> 01:52:05.399 for being honest. But I have a level of anxiety 1825 01:52:05.439 --> 01:52:08.159 that I'm afraid that I don't know what else he 1826 01:52:08.279 --> 01:52:10.840 has to say. So they should talk with him, they 1827 01:52:10.840 --> 01:52:11.720 shouldn't met with him. 1828 01:52:12.479 --> 01:52:15.199 Yeah, and it you know very clearly you have to 1829 01:52:15.239 --> 01:52:21.560 present the juxtaposition to his testimony on screen. First of all, 1830 01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:24.279 what did you see? This is what I saw. Now 1831 01:52:24.319 --> 01:52:26.720 we're going to show you what's been presented by the 1832 01:52:26.760 --> 01:52:30.640 prosecution here. That's the smash tail light that was forty five? 1833 01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:32.079 Is that what you saw? 1834 01:52:32.600 --> 01:52:32.640 No? 1835 01:52:33.199 --> 01:52:36.079 Are you sure? And then you're left to have Hank 1836 01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:42.720 Brennan do his very unlikable sort of eton schoolboy bully 1837 01:52:43.239 --> 01:52:46.479 tacked tactics, and then that's what they're gonna be left with. 1838 01:52:47.079 --> 01:52:52.479 So Mike drop moment. If they get that favorable testimony 1839 01:52:52.479 --> 01:52:55.680 out of Barrows, that is a Mic drop moment. 1840 01:52:56.199 --> 01:52:58.720 Now unless BEV won't allow them to show the photo 1841 01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:01.760 and I can envision that so you can, but they 1842 01:53:01.800 --> 01:53:04.439 have to present it as evidence, so you're just presenting 1843 01:53:04.479 --> 01:53:08.159 their evidence on screen. You know, it's just prosecution. What 1844 01:53:08.199 --> 01:53:11.960 do they call it? Prosecution? I don't remember how. And 1845 01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:14.960 then they'll state the number and then they'll they'll they'll. 1846 01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:17.239 They'll put it up, Yeah, their exhibit. 1847 01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:19.279 Exhibit exactly the exhibit, and then they'll put it up 1848 01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:22.000 on screen. Is that what you saw based on your 1849 01:53:22.079 --> 01:53:24.760 Is that? No? That is not what I saw? Okay, Well, 1850 01:53:25.079 --> 01:53:27.119 we'd like to know from the We would like to 1851 01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:29.520 know how it got that way, but what you saw 1852 01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:32.560 was not that. Okay. I want to say hello to 1853 01:53:32.600 --> 01:53:37.439 Heather Honey from Heather Honey, thank you very much for 1854 01:53:37.560 --> 01:53:41.439 your supersticker. We got to meet her last weekend UH 1855 01:53:41.520 --> 01:53:45.119 in Massachusetts and she will be up coming up. Is 1856 01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:48.399 it is it this week or next weekend? On Calling 1857 01:53:48.439 --> 01:53:53.880 All Beings along with Jan Holman Sears from Mississippi and 1858 01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:59.159 possibly Vicky from Yaksha, England, And it's going to be 1859 01:53:59.199 --> 01:54:02.199 the out of town episode, so we're very excited to 1860 01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:08.039 do an added towner's episode. A great question from Lena 1861 01:54:08.079 --> 01:54:10.720 b Ado, Are you nan you are such a class act? 1862 01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:14.399 Could alessi or lisy, depending upon where you're from. Have 1863 01:54:14.600 --> 01:54:17.520 asked Jessica Hyde about her apology. 1864 01:54:17.560 --> 01:54:20.039 He could have. I'm not sure he saw it. I 1865 01:54:20.119 --> 01:54:24.079 didn't see it either until after, but he could have. 1866 01:54:25.039 --> 01:54:28.199 But again, it goes into the be careful what you 1867 01:54:28.399 --> 01:54:33.079 ask if you don't know the answer. She's kind of witty. 1868 01:54:33.159 --> 01:54:35.279 I don't know if she would have formulated something that 1869 01:54:35.319 --> 01:54:39.600 could have backfired. I hope the jury saw the little apology, 1870 01:54:40.159 --> 01:54:42.159 so I wouldn't have asked why she did. 1871 01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:44.960 But she had already by the time it was brought 1872 01:54:44.960 --> 01:54:47.000 to lights. She was already off the stand, so they 1873 01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:49.880 wouldn't be able to recall her back right when she 1874 01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:52.119 was off the stand, she was gone. 1875 01:54:51.800 --> 01:54:55.199 That's true. But in the moment, right in the moment, 1876 01:54:56.840 --> 01:55:00.239 maybe he could have said, did you just apologize? Like it? 1877 01:55:00.239 --> 01:55:02.840 It's an art. I always tell people it's a feel 1878 01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:05.920 when you are cross examining someone. Also, the two of 1879 01:55:05.960 --> 01:55:09.479 them going at each other, it was like the friendliest 1880 01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:14.399 nerd showdown I've ever seen. They were so gracious and 1881 01:55:14.479 --> 01:55:19.399 like passive aggressive with each other. It made me feel 1882 01:55:19.399 --> 01:55:21.960 really dumb watching them. But it was like a polite 1883 01:55:22.159 --> 01:55:25.600 little debate between two people about tech that is so 1884 01:55:25.760 --> 01:55:30.279 far over my head. But overall, ALESSI won that. He 1885 01:55:30.359 --> 01:55:31.600 won that debate by. 1886 01:55:31.439 --> 01:55:35.960 Far as one would expect. Also, seeing that photo of 1887 01:55:36.039 --> 01:55:38.840 him on Twitter, clearly the guys in shape and has 1888 01:55:38.880 --> 01:55:41.760 like zero body fat on him. My goodness, that guy's 1889 01:55:41.760 --> 01:55:42.319 in shape. 1890 01:55:42.399 --> 01:55:45.920 I've met him and I've told him to his face. 1891 01:55:46.039 --> 01:55:48.880 He's got a set of guns. He has a set 1892 01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:50.039 of guns. 1893 01:55:49.840 --> 01:55:52.079 And no fat on whatsoever. 1894 01:55:52.800 --> 01:55:54.079 Guy is anomaly. 1895 01:55:54.680 --> 01:55:58.159 He is very, very fit. We know what he's doing 1896 01:55:58.199 --> 01:56:00.000 when he's on a trial. He's out using the hotel. 1897 01:56:00.039 --> 01:56:03.880 Tell Jim or he's gone out for a long run. Suans, 1898 01:56:05.479 --> 01:56:08.000 thank you for the Thank you for the nine to 1899 01:56:08.039 --> 01:56:12.319 ninety nine, Lena Bee, Thank you, Susie CJ for the five. 1900 01:56:12.840 --> 01:56:16.079 What about the judge telling the jury that the evidence 1901 01:56:16.640 --> 01:56:22.199 mess is normal because of the quantity of evidence. Your thoughts. 1902 01:56:22.239 --> 01:56:24.920 She shouldn't be having to make these statements to the jury. 1903 01:56:25.039 --> 01:56:28.399 She shouldn't be telling Alessie, I think it was a lessie, 1904 01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:30.840 all right, this is the last time you're coming up 1905 01:56:30.840 --> 01:56:35.000 to the bench. She apologized for that. She made some 1906 01:56:35.119 --> 01:56:38.640 other comment to them in front of the jury, and 1907 01:56:38.680 --> 01:56:43.600 I don't remember what that was. She is really annoying 1908 01:56:43.720 --> 01:56:46.520 to me in terms of how Judge Bev deals with 1909 01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:50.359 this jury. In addition, it was noteworthy for what it's 1910 01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:54.239 worth to me that she did not Judge Bev did 1911 01:56:54.319 --> 01:56:59.319 not give any instruction to the jury when the text 1912 01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:06.319 messages of Karen and John were brought forth before the jury. 1913 01:57:06.399 --> 01:57:09.000 She did not give this like this type of instruction 1914 01:57:09.680 --> 01:57:12.319 that says, you know, keep in mind when you're listening 1915 01:57:12.319 --> 01:57:14.720 to text messages. It doesn't mean that it was for 1916 01:57:14.800 --> 01:57:18.039 the truth of the matter asserted, or that the individual 1917 01:57:18.159 --> 01:57:21.640 is the person who wrote the text messages. She did 1918 01:57:21.680 --> 01:57:26.199 not give that kind of advisory guidance to the to 1919 01:57:26.239 --> 01:57:28.479 the jury. But you know when she did when the 1920 01:57:28.560 --> 01:57:33.760 text messages between certain officers or certain Commonwealth type of 1921 01:57:34.199 --> 01:57:38.680 individuals was presented. So I think it was ones that 1922 01:57:39.079 --> 01:57:42.840 Guarino was reading, and I don't remember with whom. So 1923 01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:46.640 the point is her bias has now just so hit 1924 01:57:46.840 --> 01:57:50.119 a fever pitch to me that you know, I was 1925 01:57:50.159 --> 01:57:53.159 saying back in January on streams. In this case, I'm 1926 01:57:53.159 --> 01:57:56.000 like Jesus, you know, someone should count how many times 1927 01:57:56.680 --> 01:57:59.920 she rules in favor of the commonwealth versus the defense. 1928 01:58:01.239 --> 01:58:05.399 We've gone so far beyond that now she sustains almost 1929 01:58:05.439 --> 01:58:09.920 every single one of the Commonwealth's objections. She overrules almost 1930 01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:14.880 every single one of the defense's objections. So the bias 1931 01:58:15.279 --> 01:58:20.720 is it's legendary. At this point it is. 1932 01:58:20.800 --> 01:58:23.199 Yeah, I'm glad you finally got there. You started out 1933 01:58:23.279 --> 01:58:25.520 kind of soft and then you kind of took out 1934 01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:28.920 like at least like the pickleball paddle and slapped her 1935 01:58:28.960 --> 01:58:32.439 with it. So that was nice during the course of that. Yeah, 1936 01:58:32.479 --> 01:58:38.359 that particular iteration. So this is Blomodone are ours, We 1937 01:58:38.439 --> 01:58:41.800 love our only nan. I'll be honest here in Nova Scotia, 1938 01:58:42.079 --> 01:58:44.039 I've never had a toe truck driver take a pic. 1939 01:58:44.479 --> 01:58:47.439 And we have total companies for reach jurisdiction we patrol. 1940 01:58:47.680 --> 01:58:51.119 So I'm taking it that this young lady or gentleman 1941 01:58:51.560 --> 01:58:54.439 is a police officer and say that the total truck 1942 01:58:54.520 --> 01:58:59.279 drivers don't take picks. So yeah. I Also, I've had 1943 01:58:59.319 --> 01:59:03.199 my car flat betted my subrew when it had the 1944 01:59:03.359 --> 01:59:05.159 battery in the back, so I had no spare tire. 1945 01:59:05.239 --> 01:59:08.640 I only had a patch kit and totally destroyed the tire. 1946 01:59:09.199 --> 01:59:12.159 So uh, they didn't. I don't believe they took pics 1947 01:59:12.199 --> 01:59:16.079 of it. Maybe in jurisdictions they do. But like I said, 1948 01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:20.880 if if the troopers being the authoritative figures they were, 1949 01:59:21.039 --> 01:59:24.399 if that guy would have flipped took out his phone, 1950 01:59:24.439 --> 01:59:29.239 they would have said put that away, no photos today. Well, 1951 01:59:29.319 --> 01:59:30.119 then if it was on. 1952 01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:32.800 The officers, because this is the alleged murder weapons. 1953 01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:37.520 So honestly, even if it's not a protocol for tow 1954 01:59:37.600 --> 01:59:41.800 truck drivers, even in the audit report that came out 1955 01:59:41.840 --> 01:59:45.199 from five Stones in a day and age, when there 1956 01:59:45.359 --> 01:59:49.560 is cell phones that are at the ready at our fingertips, 1957 01:59:50.560 --> 01:59:53.319 it would have been reasonable, it would have been expected 1958 01:59:53.479 --> 01:59:57.039 and it would have been sound judgment for any of 1959 01:59:57.079 --> 02:00:01.880 the officers, whether it's Procter, Buchanic or anyone else, to 1960 02:00:02.000 --> 02:00:05.399 have photographed the condition of the tail light at the 1961 02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:07.000 time they first encountered it. 1962 02:00:07.239 --> 02:00:09.279 Any I mean, you could have put police tape around 1963 02:00:09.279 --> 02:00:13.199 that car and literally you could have had what most 1964 02:00:13.640 --> 02:00:16.880 in something that was at that point it was a murder. 1965 02:00:17.560 --> 02:00:20.680 You you could have literally put police tape and had 1966 02:00:20.720 --> 02:00:24.039 the whole the forensics team come and had the crime 1967 02:00:24.079 --> 02:00:29.560 scene photographers come with the professional professional cameras and take 1968 02:00:29.760 --> 02:00:33.439 video and photos of the entire vehicle. So that should 1969 02:00:33.479 --> 02:00:36.359 tell the jury. That should tell You don't have to 1970 02:00:36.439 --> 02:00:40.199 be you know, I don't need to be duty ron 1971 02:00:40.319 --> 02:00:44.760 or ed. Yeah, to know that that's proper. Everybody knows that. 1972 02:00:45.039 --> 02:00:50.520 If you've watched any crime drama on TV, any documentaries 1973 02:00:50.720 --> 02:00:53.760 on TV, you know that that car, as she said, 1974 02:00:53.800 --> 02:00:56.760 Bias said, was the murder weapon. They should have photographed 1975 02:00:57.000 --> 02:01:00.640 the entire vehicle as it sat there as they seized 1976 02:01:00.640 --> 02:01:04.039 the vehicle. That should have been not the crime scene, 1977 02:01:04.079 --> 02:01:06.840 but the murder weapon. And the reason they didn't do 1978 02:01:06.880 --> 02:01:09.239 that is because for sure, they wanted to be able 1979 02:01:09.279 --> 02:01:13.680 to exculpate. They didn't want to provide any evidence because 1980 02:01:13.720 --> 02:01:16.199 they already were gonna blame it on Karen from what 1981 02:01:16.359 --> 02:01:21.880 three hours after when Jen McCabe called back, who was 1982 02:01:21.880 --> 02:01:26.359 it Pulley or No, I think it wasank It was Lanker, 1983 02:01:26.520 --> 02:01:30.520 that's right, and gave him. They basically gave them the 1984 02:01:30.560 --> 02:01:33.000 whole scenario that they needed. They're very thankful to her 1985 02:01:33.279 --> 02:01:35.319 because they didn't know who to pin it on. They 1986 02:01:35.319 --> 02:01:37.800 were scared to death to go knock on Brian Alberts store, 1987 02:01:38.199 --> 02:01:40.479 so they needed to pin it on someone, and Jen 1988 02:01:40.560 --> 02:01:43.640 McCabe gave it to him. She delivered them the whole 1989 02:01:43.960 --> 02:01:46.399 the case they just had to figure out how to 1990 02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:46.960 make it work. 1991 02:01:47.479 --> 02:01:50.479 I tell all of I just tell all people wanting 1992 02:01:50.520 --> 02:01:54.239 to learn about the law, think about what's called the 1993 02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:58.880 totality of circumstances. That's a legal standard. So it's not 1994 02:01:59.079 --> 02:02:01.880 just the failure to take the picture. It's not just 1995 02:02:02.039 --> 02:02:05.840 the failure to properly interview witnesses in a timely fashion, 1996 02:02:06.079 --> 02:02:09.520 or to separate them to properly interview them, or to 1997 02:02:10.039 --> 02:02:13.319 the application of a leaf blower at the crime scene, 1998 02:02:13.399 --> 02:02:18.279 or collection of biological evidence in solo cups, or putting 1999 02:02:18.319 --> 02:02:20.239 things in stop and shop bags. 2000 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:23.920 So there's financial fact after days later. 2001 02:02:24.760 --> 02:02:28.359 Six or forty seven pieces of tail light that seemed 2002 02:02:28.439 --> 02:02:31.439 to even grow in size that were not readily apparent 2003 02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:34.960 on the night or morning in question. There's such a 2004 02:02:35.039 --> 02:02:39.039 long list. And if you look at that long list 2005 02:02:39.239 --> 02:02:45.239 of anomalies, inconsistencies, things that should have been pursued that weren't, 2006 02:02:45.399 --> 02:02:49.279 things that were missteps, things that should have been photographed 2007 02:02:49.279 --> 02:02:53.760 but weren't. In looking at the totality of circumstances, what 2008 02:02:53.960 --> 02:02:58.800 does that do that creates reasonable doubt? And it's considering 2009 02:02:58.920 --> 02:03:01.079 all of them, which is that's why, And it's not 2010 02:03:01.239 --> 02:03:03.680 just my opinion. I'm sure it's all of yours, and 2011 02:03:03.720 --> 02:03:06.920 I know there's other law tubers who have it. The 2012 02:03:07.239 --> 02:03:12.000 defense should take all of these things in that list 2013 02:03:12.079 --> 02:03:16.279 that I'm talking about and go through them as articulately 2014 02:03:16.640 --> 02:03:21.439 as possible in a story form fashion for the jury 2015 02:03:21.600 --> 02:03:25.319 in closing arguments to tell a tale of how there 2016 02:03:25.399 --> 02:03:29.680 is reasonable doubt, And even one of them alone is 2017 02:03:29.840 --> 02:03:33.159 enough in all, not all of these things in the list, 2018 02:03:33.199 --> 02:03:36.279 but some of them alone are enough in and of 2019 02:03:36.359 --> 02:03:41.000 themselves to create reasonable doubt. I feel very, very optimistic 2020 02:03:41.159 --> 02:03:44.159 as far as what has happened thus far and what 2021 02:03:44.279 --> 02:03:47.800 I know firsthand is coming. Buckle up for it. But 2022 02:03:47.880 --> 02:03:50.960 I feel very confident to tell you I am strongly, 2023 02:03:51.680 --> 02:03:55.079 strongly predicting an acquittal here. I know people worry about 2024 02:03:55.119 --> 02:03:58.159 a mistrial. I don't. I don't worry about a mistrial. 2025 02:03:58.720 --> 02:03:59.960 So those are my thoughts. 2026 02:04:00.079 --> 02:04:03.359 God, oh, thank God, that's the best news. 2027 02:04:04.319 --> 02:04:05.680 Just want to put it out there. 2028 02:04:05.720 --> 02:04:07.880 I know, I know, I know, I know you're on there. 2029 02:04:08.560 --> 02:04:11.000 Barros's we got two more questions, then we're going to 2030 02:04:11.039 --> 02:04:14.640 get out of here. Borros is not on prosecution unless 2031 02:04:14.680 --> 02:04:18.239 he's on the fenceless Aj said to trooper b he 2032 02:04:18.359 --> 02:04:20.800 knows the answers to all his questions. Hope he shuts 2033 02:04:20.840 --> 02:04:25.640 it all down. Yeah, I mean it's basically there. It's 2034 02:04:25.680 --> 02:04:28.000 going to be up to Hank Brandon to impugne his character. 2035 02:04:28.680 --> 02:04:32.199 You would think in a normal prosecution they would be calling, uh, 2036 02:04:32.319 --> 02:04:34.880 they would have interviewed Nicholas Borrows and go when we 2037 02:04:35.239 --> 02:04:36.760 I don't know if we actually have a case here, 2038 02:04:37.119 --> 02:04:42.000 but that but again, nothing about this is normal. So 2039 02:04:43.239 --> 02:04:45.399 and thank you so much for for the five. That's 2040 02:04:45.479 --> 02:04:47.720 very very nice of you. The Ghosts of Brian higginsim 2041 02:04:47.760 --> 02:04:51.239 card and we've got another one from Canada follow up 2042 02:04:51.279 --> 02:04:54.239 by saying, if seizing a vehicle involved in a crime, 2043 02:04:54.680 --> 02:04:58.199 I would oh, so obviously this person is police officer. 2044 02:04:59.079 --> 02:05:03.840 I would request photos by ident our CSI photograph before 2045 02:05:03.840 --> 02:05:05.880 it was moved. Well, that's exactly what we just said. 2046 02:05:06.159 --> 02:05:09.079 And you don't need to be a law enforcement professional 2047 02:05:09.159 --> 02:05:10.479 like this person is to know that. 2048 02:05:10.920 --> 02:05:12.600 And thank you for common sense. 2049 02:05:13.079 --> 02:05:15.560 Yeah, it's just common sense. Yeah, I mean we've seen enough. 2050 02:05:15.800 --> 02:05:18.960 I mean, if you've seen documentaries, I mean, they're always 2051 02:05:19.000 --> 02:05:22.079 going to take whatever piece of evidence it is in 2052 02:05:22.119 --> 02:05:24.119 the plant. Now, what they would have wanted to do 2053 02:05:24.640 --> 02:05:27.439 was if Jen mccaven all of them would have said 2054 02:05:27.439 --> 02:05:30.079 that at the time, they would have arrested Karen at 2055 02:05:30.119 --> 02:05:32.119 the scene and they would have photographed the car right 2056 02:05:32.119 --> 02:05:34.960 there and right there in front of thirty four Fairview 2057 02:05:34.960 --> 02:05:37.920 where she parked the vehicle, so it would have happened there. 2058 02:05:38.319 --> 02:05:41.880 But obviously they didn't think of that, had to blame 2059 02:05:42.239 --> 02:05:45.079 how to shift and frame Karen until later on, and 2060 02:05:45.119 --> 02:05:47.520 once they came up with the tail light thing, then 2061 02:05:47.720 --> 02:05:49.840 the you know, obviously they would have done it in 2062 02:05:49.960 --> 02:05:54.600 the Fortunately the Karen the Reeds families driveway. Thank you 2063 02:05:54.720 --> 02:05:57.359 very much. It really does help us. Let me see, 2064 02:05:57.359 --> 02:05:59.319 if I'm saying this is it, I might have to 2065 02:05:59.359 --> 02:06:03.399 put me goss his own for the smite by biomit 2066 02:06:04.239 --> 02:06:08.840 Biomiden's Biomiden are ours. I don't know that you've been 2067 02:06:08.840 --> 02:06:11.960 here before. Thank you very much because the perspective of 2068 02:06:12.039 --> 02:06:15.399 law enforcement being here, just like our South Carolina State 2069 02:06:15.399 --> 02:06:18.800 trooper that comes in, is invaluable to us, just like 2070 02:06:18.840 --> 02:06:21.359 it is when Nand goes into chat or goes on 2071 02:06:21.399 --> 02:06:23.880 a show. You know, we need we need perspectives just 2072 02:06:23.920 --> 02:06:28.079 like duty ron ed l the LV cops, Brian and Gonzo, 2073 02:06:28.119 --> 02:06:31.960 et cetera. So uh oh, we've got more. Okay, we 2074 02:06:32.079 --> 02:06:33.479 got one more, We've got another one. 2075 02:06:33.640 --> 02:06:35.960 The more came in and I am happy to tackle 2076 02:06:36.039 --> 02:06:40.880 them because Lena b earlier in the stream, I definitely 2077 02:06:40.920 --> 02:06:46.439 went through the whole Chloe Kora craziness. So thank you 2078 02:06:46.560 --> 02:06:50.119 for your donation. I'm gonna chat match tonight, but I 2079 02:06:50.119 --> 02:06:52.840 would encourage you to track and and just if you're 2080 02:06:52.880 --> 02:06:56.319 going to take anything away from this, Chloe is dead. 2081 02:06:56.920 --> 02:07:00.600 She's dead. This is a whole bunch of malarkey. 2082 02:07:00.880 --> 02:07:03.760 But it is shrod, as they say in England, it's 2083 02:07:03.920 --> 02:07:08.760 it's a host shrod. Is it NodD And like I 2084 02:07:08.800 --> 02:07:13.000 said earlier, because if you weren't here, Lenabe, unless you 2085 02:07:13.199 --> 02:07:20.600 have you know, Companion has a dog chip microchip. What's 2086 02:07:20.640 --> 02:07:24.600 the other one named Avid is one. There's several companies 2087 02:07:24.960 --> 02:07:28.279 that have microchips that you register that chip, you you 2088 02:07:28.479 --> 02:07:30.800 use it with a scan tool. If they don't have 2089 02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:34.680 that from pre twenty twenty two that shows when that 2090 02:07:34.840 --> 02:07:38.439 dog was registered and they can scan it today, then 2091 02:07:39.960 --> 02:07:43.159 it's not Chloe and they don't have that because if 2092 02:07:43.199 --> 02:07:46.479 they did have that, then Hank Brennan would be presenting 2093 02:07:46.520 --> 02:07:49.800 that paperwork at court. He would be showing this is 2094 02:07:49.880 --> 02:07:53.119 Chloe right here now, you would, I mean you would 2095 02:07:53.159 --> 02:07:56.880 literally probably have to have a member of the defense 2096 02:07:57.399 --> 02:08:02.399 present with a member of the a neutral party with 2097 02:08:02.560 --> 02:08:06.840 the scan tool to scan and print what the dog's 2098 02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:09.119 identity is. Like literally you would have to do like 2099 02:08:09.199 --> 02:08:11.520 what they were attempting to do with the computer when 2100 02:08:11.560 --> 02:08:15.880 they wasted Karen's twelve thousand dollars, for that expert to 2101 02:08:15.920 --> 02:08:17.840 go to Canton and say, oh, we don't have anything 2102 02:08:18.039 --> 02:08:20.279 for you. I don't know why you hear so, And 2103 02:08:20.319 --> 02:08:20.760 can I. 2104 02:08:20.720 --> 02:08:24.960 Just add the jurors don't even know the significance of 2105 02:08:25.560 --> 02:08:28.680 Chloe at this point because they don't have anything of 2106 02:08:29.039 --> 02:08:30.279 how this even happened. 2107 02:08:30.359 --> 02:08:32.560 Sure, but they'll get there. Guys are going to get 2108 02:08:32.560 --> 02:08:36.000 there yet may know now, but they will know. And 2109 02:08:36.239 --> 02:08:38.560 the fact of the matter is that the only way 2110 02:08:38.600 --> 02:08:43.279 they can establish the dog's identity is through microchip data 2111 02:08:43.319 --> 02:08:47.880 from when they got the dog or from any time 2112 02:08:48.000 --> 02:08:52.439 before and any time before January twenty ninety, twenty twenty two, 2113 02:08:52.800 --> 02:08:54.399 and they have to be able to show the same 2114 02:08:54.399 --> 02:08:57.920 thing today is verified by an independent party, and then 2115 02:08:58.000 --> 02:09:00.680 that company would also have to verify that they have 2116 02:09:00.840 --> 02:09:03.840 had that dog in their records from that day with 2117 02:09:04.000 --> 02:09:06.359 the same chip number. So and they're not going to 2118 02:09:06.439 --> 02:09:08.000 do that because if they're going to do that, Hank 2119 02:09:08.039 --> 02:09:10.880 Brennan would say I have that evidence, and he doesn't. 2120 02:09:11.199 --> 02:09:16.199 So I agree with all of that, But at Tabia's point, 2121 02:09:16.760 --> 02:09:22.079 this disjointed order of telling the story. It's, in my opinion, 2122 02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:27.680 the jury's hearing this information about Cora or Chloe and 2123 02:09:27.720 --> 02:09:30.560 then going with where does this Where does this fall 2124 02:09:30.600 --> 02:09:32.600 in level of importance? For me, it's kind of like 2125 02:09:32.640 --> 02:09:34.680 when you're reading a novel and you're like, wait, I 2126 02:09:34.680 --> 02:09:37.439 have a feeling this might become important later, but I 2127 02:09:37.479 --> 02:09:42.119 wish I understood right now the importance of it. It's 2128 02:09:42.239 --> 02:09:48.159 not conducive to how a reasonable person processes information in 2129 02:09:48.239 --> 02:09:51.960 terms of the order of storytelling. Yes, yes, that's just 2130 02:09:52.039 --> 02:09:54.039 my take, but I think I'm not alone. 2131 02:09:54.600 --> 02:09:58.399 No, no, but there's probably a reason. It's to confuse 2132 02:09:59.119 --> 02:10:02.039 so that they remember, so that they're not able because 2133 02:10:02.039 --> 02:10:04.920 they're not going to have a transcript because you know, Massachusetts, 2134 02:10:04.920 --> 02:10:09.760 they have not figured out how to produce court transcripts 2135 02:10:09.760 --> 02:10:11.479 that they can give. You know that, you know that 2136 02:10:11.720 --> 02:10:14.600 with the price of printering these days, just can't do it. 2137 02:10:15.479 --> 02:10:19.079 So they won't provide the jury of transcript so they 2138 02:10:19.079 --> 02:10:22.600 can go back and deliberate with the historyonics of the case. 2139 02:10:22.880 --> 02:10:25.079 They're only going to have their notes and what this 2140 02:10:25.279 --> 02:10:30.680 moron says at her nonsensical during her nonsensical jury instructions, 2141 02:10:31.560 --> 02:10:36.000 Charles argos from South Africa. I had mkat TOEG and 2142 02:10:36.039 --> 02:10:39.920 the tow truck driver took photographs all round my cav 2143 02:10:40.000 --> 02:10:44.680 for proof that the condition he received it for possible liability. Yeah, 2144 02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:48.439 I think I sound more Australian. I'm sorry, that might 2145 02:10:48.479 --> 02:10:51.760 be all right. I'm sorry to all my Moto GP 2146 02:10:51.880 --> 02:10:56.720 writer uhs from South Africa, like Brad Minder and so forth, 2147 02:10:56.800 --> 02:10:58.880 So I apologize if I screwed up your accent. Thank 2148 02:10:58.920 --> 02:11:01.920 you Charles for this seventy of South African. I'm not 2149 02:11:01.960 --> 02:11:06.640 sure what did I would imagine it would be the 2150 02:11:06.680 --> 02:11:09.960 same denomination as England, but I could be wrong. So 2151 02:11:10.359 --> 02:11:12.359 what do you say about that? Yeah, I mean, I 2152 02:11:12.399 --> 02:11:14.720 mean this is basically what we're saying that they in 2153 02:11:14.760 --> 02:11:17.520 South Africa they do take photos of the vehicle, and 2154 02:11:17.680 --> 02:11:19.520 Nan obviously sees that in Jersey. 2155 02:11:19.840 --> 02:11:23.760 I think it varies jurisdiction. A jurisdiction tow truck driver 2156 02:11:23.840 --> 02:11:28.680 to tow truck driver. But at the same time, this 2157 02:11:28.760 --> 02:11:32.720 is a police confiscation of an alleged murder weapon. I 2158 02:11:32.800 --> 02:11:36.520 have to believe that there are protocols that are in 2159 02:11:36.640 --> 02:11:39.560 place for how that's supposed to go down, and they 2160 02:11:39.560 --> 02:11:44.840 were not followed. This may be further discussed with Buchanic 2161 02:11:45.199 --> 02:11:50.760 or with Proctor or with Barrows. I don't know. We'll 2162 02:11:50.760 --> 02:11:53.000 have to wait and see. But you know what, even 2163 02:11:53.039 --> 02:11:55.920 if they don't hit this with questions, a jury of 2164 02:11:55.960 --> 02:11:59.000 reasonable people should ask that saying, well, when were the 2165 02:11:59.039 --> 02:12:03.439 first pictures that came out depicting the taillight? They were 2166 02:12:03.479 --> 02:12:09.399 all after the evidence was quote proctored. So he's got 2167 02:12:09.399 --> 02:12:13.439 a really, really significant name. He proctored and doctored a 2168 02:12:13.479 --> 02:12:16.199 bunch of different evidence in this case, and he got 2169 02:12:16.239 --> 02:12:20.840 disciplined and terminated for it, in my opinion, whether it 2170 02:12:20.920 --> 02:12:24.319 was just his own personal bias or not. And you've 2171 02:12:24.359 --> 02:12:29.079 got skunks and jerks like Buchanic and the other Gallagher 2172 02:12:29.279 --> 02:12:32.359 and the Guarinos and the da Chicos and all of 2173 02:12:32.399 --> 02:12:37.479 the other questionable police in my opinion, up there covering 2174 02:12:37.560 --> 02:12:40.479 for him when this should have gone away long long ago. 2175 02:12:40.600 --> 02:12:44.399 If the right people stood up, had some integrity, faced 2176 02:12:44.439 --> 02:12:47.359 the music, and were just simply not a bunch of 2177 02:12:47.439 --> 02:12:50.640 cowards willing to lie to protect one or a very 2178 02:12:50.640 --> 02:12:54.840 small number. So I wish Karen well in her next 2179 02:12:54.880 --> 02:12:58.760 week of trial. And it's hard. It's hard on her, 2180 02:12:58.840 --> 02:13:00.920 it's hard on the family, it's hard on all of you. 2181 02:13:01.039 --> 02:13:04.760 I'm sure you're juggling jobs, trying to follow everything and 2182 02:13:04.840 --> 02:13:07.000 cover it totally showing up. 2183 02:13:07.880 --> 02:13:10.760 Yeah, I appreciate. I have to get it kind of 2184 02:13:10.800 --> 02:13:14.199 like after work secondhand. I kind of have to get 2185 02:13:14.199 --> 02:13:17.319 the information that way. I can't sit and watch the 2186 02:13:17.359 --> 02:13:18.159 trial all day. 2187 02:13:18.039 --> 02:13:21.520 Long, but I put two point oh speed and I run. 2188 02:13:21.800 --> 02:13:24.000 I go running in the morning and make sure I 2189 02:13:24.119 --> 02:13:24.880 listen to it. 2190 02:13:25.239 --> 02:13:26.520 Yeah, it's awesome. 2191 02:13:26.560 --> 02:13:28.479 So I got That's how I lost a bunch of weight. 2192 02:13:28.520 --> 02:13:31.760 I was rage running during one point zho. So it worked. 2193 02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:35.960 Anyone looking struck, anyone wants to lose the fluff start 2194 02:13:36.039 --> 02:13:38.760 rage running to these trials. 2195 02:13:38.520 --> 02:13:41.159 And more of Alisi. Thank you so much for five 2196 02:13:41.239 --> 02:13:44.479 dollars in gratitude for Nan and for every creator who 2197 02:13:44.520 --> 02:13:46.239 hosts her. And I would just say, if you are 2198 02:13:46.279 --> 02:13:48.680 going to send Bob Lacy a gift, I would say 2199 02:13:48.680 --> 02:13:52.479 probably don't send him fat burners. Maybe just you know, 2200 02:13:52.600 --> 02:13:55.039 sort of a meal replacement protein shake. 2201 02:13:56.560 --> 02:13:59.439 He eats some weird stuff in his yetty. He's he's 2202 02:13:59.520 --> 02:14:02.479 constantly eating constantly, which is really good for. 2203 02:14:02.479 --> 02:14:07.279 Your health metabolism. Going, yeah, bless them. Uh, Spanky's case 2204 02:14:07.359 --> 02:14:10.079 is so disjointed, and I say, by design, yeah, absolutely, 2205 02:14:10.520 --> 02:14:13.880 they are trying to h they're achieving their goal. They're 2206 02:14:13.920 --> 02:14:16.520 trying to get the jury to not be able to 2207 02:14:16.560 --> 02:14:19.960 put it together, knowing that their notes is all they're 2208 02:14:20.000 --> 02:14:22.720 going The closing argument is going to have to do it, 2209 02:14:23.039 --> 02:14:25.520 and then whatever notes they take or don't take. And 2210 02:14:25.560 --> 02:14:28.079 as you guys know, some people are great note takers, 2211 02:14:28.119 --> 02:14:31.760 some people aren't. And that is all they're gonna have. 2212 02:14:31.840 --> 02:14:34.199 They are not going to have I know, you're like, 2213 02:14:34.600 --> 02:14:37.159 this is twenty twenty one, and they're not gonna have 2214 02:14:37.159 --> 02:14:39.159 a transfer. They're not gonna have like a big screen 2215 02:14:39.439 --> 02:14:41.159 where they could put on the even if it were 2216 02:14:41.199 --> 02:14:44.239 electronic and they could screen in the jury room. They're 2217 02:14:44.279 --> 02:14:46.520 gonna have nothing to refer back to other. 2218 02:14:46.319 --> 02:14:52.319 Than their gad Yeah, and they don't they don't know 2219 02:14:52.479 --> 02:14:55.880 this case like like all of you do. Or if 2220 02:14:55.880 --> 02:14:59.720 you have viewers learning the case now. So it's it's 2221 02:14:59.760 --> 02:15:03.119 just different experience as a juror. And that's why the 2222 02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:06.800 method in which they're teaching this is presenting it is 2223 02:15:06.880 --> 02:15:12.560 not it's not conducive to good storytelling. And Alan Jackson, 2224 02:15:12.880 --> 02:15:18.960 he's a seasoned tactician. Alessie Steady as Stone Yanetti, he's 2225 02:15:19.119 --> 02:15:22.319 just the local archer. This is why I wrote my 2226 02:15:22.399 --> 02:15:27.760 epic tale about these guys. So all of them, Liza 2227 02:15:27.840 --> 02:15:31.680 little Like, they're all an important team, and I really 2228 02:15:31.760 --> 02:15:33.600 think they're going to tell a better story in the 2229 02:15:33.640 --> 02:15:34.399 defense case. 2230 02:15:34.439 --> 02:15:38.079 And Chief please post that again so that we can 2231 02:15:38.319 --> 02:15:41.840 retweet that if you would, Nan, which you wrote, so 2232 02:15:42.520 --> 02:15:46.319 that everybody here can read that. I'd like to thank 2233 02:15:46.760 --> 02:15:50.600 the mods, all of you that are here, all of 2234 02:15:50.640 --> 02:15:53.479 the questions we got. I'm sorry we couldn't get to 2235 02:15:53.560 --> 02:15:55.520 all of you. I see so many of our friends 2236 02:15:55.520 --> 02:15:58.279 in here, Tiff, I see tons of you. It's just 2237 02:15:58.760 --> 02:16:02.800 when Nan shows up, we get so many there it's 2238 02:16:02.840 --> 02:16:05.680 just difficult to get to them all. So I apologize. 2239 02:16:05.720 --> 02:16:10.359 We've gone two hours and sixteen minutes, but that's what 2240 02:16:10.359 --> 02:16:12.840 we do for Nan Gallery. That's just how the damn 2241 02:16:12.880 --> 02:16:17.119 thing go. Nan, thank you so much for joining us 2242 02:16:17.199 --> 02:16:19.560 again and for giving us of your time. You can 2243 02:16:19.600 --> 02:16:22.600 hear Eddie Vedder in the background love it, playing along 2244 02:16:22.680 --> 02:16:25.199 to save it for later, and that's what we'll have 2245 02:16:25.279 --> 02:16:25.520 to do. 2246 02:16:25.920 --> 02:16:27.520 I know how to play that on the guitar. 2247 02:16:28.560 --> 02:16:34.840 What oh my god. Next time, Nan Gallagher, I will 2248 02:16:34.879 --> 02:16:38.639 be asking for you to bring your guitar to Calling 2249 02:16:38.680 --> 02:16:42.360 All Beings so you could play this amazing version of 2250 02:16:42.399 --> 02:16:46.200 the English Beats song Save It for Later by Eddie Vedder. 2251 02:16:46.280 --> 02:16:47.200 It's so beautiful. 2252 02:16:47.559 --> 02:16:49.959 One of these days I might surprise you with some 2253 02:16:50.079 --> 02:16:51.360 musical talents. 2254 02:16:53.639 --> 02:16:56.840 Man. For Nan Gallagher, thank you so much, Maud, thank 2255 02:16:56.920 --> 02:17:00.760 you for everybody in the chat. For and Ba. This 2256 02:17:00.840 --> 02:17:04.559 is DJ saying peace out, one love. We'll see down 2257 02:17:04.559 --> 02:17:05.799 the road, see you soon. 2258 02:17:06.280 --> 02:17:06.639 Bye. 2259 02:17:06.639 --> 02:17:07.239 Thank you man.