Speaker 1: Oh, I really thought I was gonna die. I was
Speaker 1: playing all these sitting grays in my head as it
Speaker 1: was coming over with me, and I was like, nobody's
Speaker 1: out here, nobody gonna know I died from this thing,
Speaker 1: just gonna think I was missing. And I was thinking
Speaker 1: it was gonna like just mall me to pieces right there,
Speaker 1: or drag me off somewhere and know you would know
Speaker 1: what happened to me. But you know, again, I think
Speaker 1: when you're staring at something coming at you that is
Speaker 1: so massive and you don't know what it is, so
Speaker 1: you don't know like it's behavior pattern or what is
Speaker 1: capable of. That was where my fear I think sunned from. Mostly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was horrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'll tell you a little bit about my background.
Speaker 1: So I initially started in paranormal. So that was my
Speaker 1: forte and that was because I had just a lot
Speaker 1: of crazy experiences at home that I just really wanted
Speaker 1: to understand, so you know, and I was always drawing
Speaker 1: the mystery anyway, so I would actually I started researching
Speaker 1: the paranormal when I was probably about twelve or thirteen,
Speaker 1: and you know, just going into old abandoned houses and
Speaker 1: I call it pre kin researching, but you know, I
Speaker 1: was really you know, looking for stuff. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of where it all started for me. And then I
Speaker 1: would always watch you know, all the old g shows
Speaker 1: like monster quests, loss tapes, ancient mysteries. That's that I loved,
Speaker 1: all the mysteries. I loved the lock past, Bigfoot, all
Speaker 1: the cryptis, you could think of anything strange and mysterious.
Speaker 1: I was watching on TV and it took quite a
Speaker 1: long time and quite a few shows that I watched
Speaker 1: to realize like, oh hey, Basewo is not just in
Speaker 1: other countries, He's in the US as well. So from
Speaker 1: from there, I just you know started looking into Bigfoot
Speaker 1: in the US and reading a lot more books. And
Speaker 1: at this point there was not really much online research available,
Speaker 1: so when I did research online, it was always the
Speaker 1: library where had access to the internet. But I checked
Speaker 1: out probably every single Cryptid, Monster, day Foot book that
Speaker 1: I could find. And then when the library started on
Speaker 1: where you could like order a book from another library,
Speaker 1: I did all those too. I ordered them all from
Speaker 1: other libraries and you know checked him out from there.
Speaker 1: And I mean I've read so many of the order
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and monster books because that was the only way
Speaker 1: you could research then. And then I was talking to
Speaker 1: her friend and she was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah, I got like a friend that's a
Speaker 3: Facebook research and I was like, wait, really, it's like
Speaker 3: to just go out there in the woods and they
Speaker 3: just look it's like, oh yeah, he does it like
Speaker 3: every weekend. And I was like, I could totally do that.
Speaker 3: So then I started actually going out and doing my
Speaker 3: own research from there and just spending just a ton
Speaker 3: of time out in the woods and just learning from
Speaker 3: other people like distart text needs and things.
Speaker 1: I could try. But when I first started, it was
Speaker 1: all like, you know, make up my own way sort
Speaker 1: of thing. So yeah, exactly. But as far as the parallel,
Speaker 1: I've been researching that for probably about twenty eight years,
Speaker 1: and then the big Floot portion probably about fifteen years.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I've been doing it a long time.
Speaker 1: And it was like probably like seven years ago. So
Speaker 1: I went to my first Bigfoot conference and I was
Speaker 1: just in all of all these people that come together
Speaker 1: and congregate and talk about the same things that I'm
Speaker 1: interested in, and I was just hooked. From there, I
Speaker 1: just started sending all these big Foot conferences and meeting
Speaker 1: people learning from them and it's just blossom from there.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what envied me up and where
Speaker 1: I'm at now. And I have had so many amazing
Speaker 1: adventures thanks to so many great people I've gotten to meet,
Speaker 1: and I just went in trade the process of how
Speaker 1: I got going for anything. So oh, it's great, a
Speaker 1: lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Where is your line of belief whenever it comes to
Speaker 4: bigfoot stuff? You know, the flesh and blood versus paranormal
Speaker 4: is a big dividing point these days. It seems where
Speaker 4: do you draw the line or do you have a
Speaker 4: line drawn at all?
Speaker 1: I do mentally draw a line for myself, but I'm
Speaker 1: open to hearing everybody's ideas and theories, you know. That's
Speaker 1: how I learned was from everyone else and their research
Speaker 1: and my own obviously in the later years, but I
Speaker 1: always I'm more than happy it's and open to listen
Speaker 1: to other people's serious ideas. But for me personally, I've
Speaker 1: kind of settled on the idea that bigfoot is flesh
Speaker 1: and blood, but there is paranormal like aspects to bigfoot
Speaker 1: that we don't quite understand. And my saying is is
Speaker 1: there's science behind it, but it's just science that we
Speaker 1: don't understand yet. And you know, I do think that
Speaker 1: there is but possibility that Bigfoot is able to camouflage,
Speaker 1: you know, but we don't understand why that could possibly
Speaker 1: be or how he can do it because we've never
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to study him that in depth, to
Speaker 1: study them rather in debt. So I do think there
Speaker 1: are paraormal aspects to Bigfoot involved, but we just don't
Speaker 1: understand how they're able to do those things now. I
Speaker 1: do think that in a lot of situations where you
Speaker 1: get these very paranormal esque type incidents is when there
Speaker 1: could be other things involved. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've heard or researched Taulpa's at all, but I've done
Speaker 1: a lot of research into Taupa's and those are basically
Speaker 1: thought forms. Now, people who are very much in a
Speaker 1: big Foot and never research paranormal they're like, this is
Speaker 1: a wild idea. But I think that there are potentially
Speaker 1: pulpa esque type beings that are taking on the attributes
Speaker 1: of a bigfoot and making us believe that there's a bigfoot,
Speaker 1: but it's not really a bigfoot. And I think that's
Speaker 1: in those situations where you get a very parormal, weird
Speaker 1: sort of things, you know, bigfoot coming through your wall
Speaker 1: and messing with you and your sleeping type situation. I
Speaker 1: don't think that bigfoot can actually walk through walls. I
Speaker 1: think that is a mistaken identity of something else that
Speaker 1: person is healing.
Speaker 4: I was just talking to somebody about that the other day. Actually,
Speaker 4: that's kind of crazy, the idea of sometimes you're crossing
Speaker 4: paths with things that present themselves as what you are
Speaker 4: intending to find. So if you're out there looking for bigfoot,
Speaker 4: it shows itself as a bigfoot. If you're looking for aliens,
Speaker 4: it's going to show up as an alien, and you
Speaker 4: may not always be dealing with what you actually think
Speaker 4: you're dealing with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly one hundred. And that's where my kind of
Speaker 1: belief is that big floods flesh and blood does very
Speaker 1: paranormals like things that they're able to do, but they're
Speaker 1: flesh and blood, and then there's this other sort of
Speaker 1: bag of things going on that I think are a
Speaker 1: mistaken identity that they're confusing for bigfoot. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's where my belief is now. It you know, maybe controversial,
Speaker 1: but it is a ball of controversial stuff anyway.
Speaker 4: Right, at what point did the switch flip for you
Speaker 4: personally where you came to the realization that, oh, Bigfoot's
Speaker 4: real it exists.
Speaker 1: I had always had this idea in the back of
Speaker 1: my head, I'm out here chasing nothing, but this is
Speaker 1: fun because I hadn't had a really close encounter at
Speaker 1: that point. It was many years before I ever had one,
Speaker 1: probably like eight years before I had my real first
Speaker 1: close encounter bigfoot experience, and even then I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: But it's solidified things for me. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've ever heard of the show's Tearing the Woods. Yeah, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: so my experience was featured on that show, obviously television.
Speaker 1: They twisted it and changed it a little bit. They
Speaker 1: really did well sticking to the chain of events that
Speaker 1: led up to it, but then they added like us
Speaker 1: seeing big slit and chasing us and us running like
Speaker 1: none of that ever happened. So and they showed me
Speaker 1: like cowering down the ground and like holding covering and
Speaker 1: like houlding my head and being scared. That's they took
Speaker 1: a part of my story that I was telling them
Speaker 1: and twisted into that situation. I never Cower. I never run.
Speaker 1: I never do any of that. Like I've been doing
Speaker 1: this so long, it's that's what I'm out there for.
Speaker 1: It they started to happen, I'm not running from it.
Speaker 1: So but it was probably eight years after I started
Speaker 1: researching fits. But I went out with a friend of mine, Mike,
Speaker 1: And while we were out there, we were just kind
Speaker 1: of doing a big foot walk, you know, showing people
Speaker 1: to look forward and things like that, how to do
Speaker 1: digtook calls and you know, what rock clocks and whatnots were.
Speaker 1: And while we were up there, we have a halfway
Speaker 1: up in brew At Kentucky and and so it's all
Speaker 1: that very mountainous area. So we got a halfway up
Speaker 1: the mountain and they were like, yeah, they were mostly college,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna go party. We're gonna get have fun.
Speaker 1: And so they took off and it was just one
Speaker 1: of the persons, which was a friend of both Mike
Speaker 1: and I. His name was Kenny, and we decided we're
Speaker 1: going to go the rest of the way up. You know,
Speaker 1: this is a beautiful area. I want to see the scenery.
Speaker 1: So we went up and we were looking at this outcropping,
Speaker 1: this beautiful valley and the sun was setting and we
Speaker 1: kind of got caught up in the sunset and we wereized, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's going to get darker Kidney Woods and it is
Speaker 1: out here faster. So we were like, we got to
Speaker 1: get back down. You know, we got probably a good
Speaker 1: twee minute hiked down in front of us, and it's
Speaker 1: going to be dark before we can get all the
Speaker 1: way down. So we had to kind of take the
Speaker 1: more dangerous way, which was you know, off I think
Speaker 1: it was the west side, and it was very rocky.
Speaker 1: There were crevices that went down probably thirty feet. You
Speaker 1: had to watch your footing, and it was just started
Speaker 1: to getting damp. The dew was starting to settle on everything.
Speaker 1: We're sliding on the rocks and we had three slash
Speaker 1: lights that Kenny just happened to bring with him and
Speaker 1: two of them were broken and they all know it worked.
Speaker 1: Didn't go out strap on your head properly, so alter
Speaker 1: even we're broken in some way.
Speaker 4: So you guys were well prepared.
Speaker 1: That's how the best things to happen, because you're on
Speaker 1: prepared and you don't you know, like you're not ready
Speaker 1: to attached for anything. But we were like we only
Speaker 1: went there for a day trip. We didn't intend on
Speaker 1: staying that late, but it was we got caught up.
Speaker 1: So we started heading down and as we're sliding down
Speaker 1: these rocks and we're going roal slow and crouching and
Speaker 1: make sure we're not falling down these crevices where you
Speaker 1: can't see onto yourrotto top of it, and we're coming
Speaker 1: down and we hear something sliding down the rocks behind us,
Speaker 1: and Michael was the first one I heard it, and
Speaker 1: he's like, hold on, He's like, I think it's heard something.
Speaker 1: And then we dell of this further and I hear it,
Speaker 1: and then at that point he didn't hear it. I
Speaker 1: don't think. And then it was just like we all
Speaker 1: started hearing it more and more as we're coming down
Speaker 1: these rocks, something sliding down these rocks behind us, and
Speaker 1: it was probably about, I don't know, twenty feet above us.
Speaker 1: It wasn't very far away. And we got down to
Speaker 1: regular ground rather than rocky crevices. We had down to
Speaker 1: regular ground where it was dirt, and we're standing there
Speaker 1: for a minute and Mike's like, does this loop. Nothing responds,
Speaker 1: and then he looks at me. He goes, why do
Speaker 1: you do girly whoop? And I'm thinking, what is early woop?
Speaker 1: I have no idea what a girl who's supposed to
Speaker 1: sound like? But okay, I'm good to stot. So you know,
Speaker 1: I did a higher pitch and not as long, and
Speaker 1: we got a response. That was the first response I'd
Speaker 1: ever gotten from any move I've ever done. And immediately
Speaker 1: it's excitement that just like starts flowing through the I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know, this is wild, this is awesome.
Speaker 1: So he's like, I think we need to get back down.
Speaker 1: Mike says, I think we need to get back down
Speaker 1: to a little bit level ground where we have to
Speaker 1: get out quickly. We can do it more safely. And
Speaker 1: at this point, Kenny's already starting to get nervous because
Speaker 1: he had never been out in a bigfoot area before.
Speaker 1: This was just something he thought. He was a big
Speaker 1: foot enthusiast. He never researched, he'd never been out in
Speaker 1: an area. So we go down a little further and
Speaker 1: then we start doing, you know, more of a full investigation.
Speaker 1: We're getting our tools out that we have with us,
Speaker 1: We're starting to do a YouTube lib and you know,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great idea because YouTube libe
Speaker 1: once any times I've had my footage white at paranormal locations,
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking, if this is recorded live, it's something
Speaker 1: that can't get white.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 1: So Mike's doing his first his phone dies really quickly,
Speaker 1: which was strange, and then I pulled mine out and
Speaker 1: I didn't know it, but probably about sevenments and the
Speaker 1: splittest starts getting very weird, and at one point I
Speaker 1: crouched down. This was the part where they showed me
Speaker 1: crouching down the TV show acting scared. But at one
Speaker 1: point I crouched down and I put pheromones. It's like
Speaker 1: not really pheromones, but it's like perfume that's supposed to
Speaker 1: bring out air natural pheromone. And I'm like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I cares with me. Couldn't hurt. So I put it on.
Speaker 1: And as the night goes on, we're getting we're getting
Speaker 1: called back to, we're hearing growls, We're hearing these things
Speaker 1: move closer and closer and closer into us, into where
Speaker 1: we are, and the whole time Kenny is getting more
Speaker 1: and more and more nervous. And at one point Mike
Speaker 1: listened because we got to get Kenny to the car.
Speaker 1: I look up at Kenny because I was entrance in
Speaker 1: the moment, I never paid attention to him. He is
Speaker 1: ghostly white. He is sweating profusely, and he's like complaining
Speaker 1: about his heart. So like I'm like okay. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: you go heit Kenny down to the car, come back
Speaker 1: and meet me. I'll wait right here. And he goes, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not leading you. You have to come with me,
Speaker 1: and said no, we're getting stuff. This is why we're here.
Speaker 1: And I'm like not leaving. I don't want to go,
Speaker 1: and he was like, come on, we really gotta go.
Speaker 1: And he reaches up and he grabs my elbow and
Speaker 1: he goes to like gently pull me, you know, away
Speaker 1: from the area that we're in. And not even the
Speaker 1: second after he grabbed my arm, you just hear like
Speaker 1: this doom boom boom, boom boom, and it's charging us
Speaker 1: from up above us. And I am between that thing
Speaker 1: and the guys behind me, so I'm between them. So
Speaker 1: immediately I go hunker down and I'm like, get in
Speaker 1: a defensive position. I'm not a threat, not here a
Speaker 1: challenge you type position. And remember We've got these really
Speaker 1: dim flashlights, so I can't see but maybe three and
Speaker 1: a half seat in front of me. So I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: when this thing gets to the light of my flashlight,
Speaker 1: what am I going to have in my face? You know,
Speaker 1: like what is going to be face to face with me?
Speaker 1: And it stops literally right outside the flashlight view and
Speaker 1: it just stops and evering too all the flots That's
Speaker 1: when we were hearing around us that we're getting closer,
Speaker 1: closer and closer. They stopped. Everything stopped, and I turn
Speaker 1: around and at this we're still recording, and I turn
Speaker 1: out look at a camera and I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: think it's time to go. So we're They turn around,
Speaker 1: they put their back to this thing. I'm like, yeo crazy.
Speaker 1: They take off walking real slow, and I keep my
Speaker 1: face to this thing because I'm like, I am not
Speaker 1: going to be your prey, you know, like the moment
Speaker 1: my back get because I'm used to, you know, thinking
Speaker 1: wild creature type thing and if I turn my back
Speaker 1: to you, then that's invitation to come grab me. So
Speaker 1: I keep my face to it, and I'm backing down
Speaker 1: the mountain, looking at them periodically make sure i'm not
Speaker 1: going off the side, and uh, we get most of
Speaker 1: the way out on level ground, but we're still in
Speaker 1: the dirt path area and we're you know, talking excitedly
Speaker 1: and I can't believe it actually happened. And the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, because giant boom, and we all look at
Speaker 1: each other and Kenny looks totally faint. He's like, I'm leaving.
Speaker 1: I'm gone. I'm gone. I look at Mike and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think we're far enough out. They want us
Speaker 1: further gone. The whole time we were coming down, we
Speaker 1: could hear them trailing behind us on each side of us,
Speaker 1: so we knew what they wanted. They were basically corralling
Speaker 1: us out. And then another boom and they're like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's not piss them off. Let's go out into
Speaker 1: the parking lot where our cars are, and let's just
Speaker 1: talk about it there. Though we were we can deal
Speaker 1: them in the cars if they started throwing rocks to us.
Speaker 1: And we got up to the car, and obviously I'm
Speaker 1: trying to process the video because you know, everything's done,
Speaker 1: and I lose the video. They whatever happened up there,
Speaker 1: It cut the video off around nine minutes and something
Speaker 1: which on YouTube, and the only thing you can hear
Speaker 1: in the entire video is a growl, and it's a
Speaker 1: very low growl. And that's kind of when all this
Speaker 1: stuff started to happen. And then the video starts getting
Speaker 1: disrupted somehow and YouTube loses it can't process it. But
Speaker 1: the moment we hit our feet hit the parking lot,
Speaker 1: the Black Cat parking lot, all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: whole mountain side just lights up with all these whoops.
Speaker 1: It's like just auditory, one after the other after the other.
Speaker 1: And it was like, dear, we're telling the everyone, every
Speaker 1: big floot on that mountain that we were gone. We
Speaker 1: were leaving, and it was like a it felt like
Speaker 1: a victory cry. And it was just one after the other,
Speaker 1: up the other, and I'm like processing the video, like
Speaker 1: I want to start your video. It's not processing. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, where's our audio recorder? And we can't find
Speaker 1: out of recorder. What turns out we left it at
Speaker 1: the hotel and of all this and this and this,
Speaker 1: and it was just like I didn't want to leave,
Speaker 1: and he's like, we gotta go, we gotta go. We
Speaker 1: thoroughly pissed them off. We gotta go, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: but listen, and it kep's going and kept going. As
Speaker 1: we're pulling away, we're still hearing it. It was just wild.
Speaker 1: And that was the moment where I was like, holy crap,
Speaker 1: this thing is fully real. Like I didn't see it,
Speaker 1: but all of that stuff, like, no wild animal is
Speaker 1: going to charge. You have a bunch of them stalky
Speaker 1: down the mountain corrald that takes some serious intelligence. And
Speaker 1: then all the calls that we were hearing they were
Speaker 1: bidfoot calls. They were bidfootwoops, and it was just it
Speaker 1: was unreal and I can't I can't believe. I've never
Speaker 1: experienced anything like that since. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it took me eight years to experience that, so maybe
Speaker 1: in another few years I'll get to have another really
Speaker 1: close experience like that.
Speaker 4: So here's the million dollar question. Why why do you
Speaker 4: think they behaved that way in that situation.
Speaker 1: I mean, place is supposed to close it dark, and
Speaker 1: we had permission to be out there as late as
Speaker 1: we needed to to be done. They cut the game,
Speaker 1: took him for us. So I think whatever was there,
Speaker 1: whatever bigfoot were there, knew that that area was supposed
Speaker 1: to empty out at dark that I feel like that
Speaker 1: was their moment. That was their time to do with
Speaker 1: whatever they needed to do, you know, forage, eat, you know, communicate,
Speaker 1: whatever they need to do. That was their moment, and
Speaker 1: we were taking away from their moment. Now, originally, when
Speaker 1: all the footsteps were around us, they were definitely by pedal.
Speaker 1: You could hear a step step, that step, you know,
Speaker 1: you could hear that it was by pedal. I think
Speaker 1: potentially it those were all juveniles and they were curious,
Speaker 1: and I think the big one that charged me, I
Speaker 1: think it was just watching over them in the moment
Speaker 1: there was a sign of a threatening appearance. When Mike
Speaker 1: grab my arm, that was when it had enough. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: year leaving this is they're not allowed to witness you
Speaker 1: or curious anymore. You just grabbed one of your own uniquely,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what initiated that really chaotic moment.
Speaker 1: But I think prior to that, those two and iles
Speaker 1: were very curious and they were allowed to kind of
Speaker 1: walk around us and check us out.
Speaker 4: Do you think Kenny was just scared or do you
Speaker 4: think they were doing something to him?
Speaker 1: I think I think he was just scared. And the
Speaker 1: reason being is because he was very inexperienced as far
Speaker 1: as even being out in the woods at dark, and
Speaker 1: he did have some pre existing health conditions. Because even
Speaker 1: after that, it took us about a year and a
Speaker 1: half to even be able to get our story out
Speaker 1: there and for the show to get us on so
Speaker 1: we could talk about it on the show. Can you
Speaker 1: refuse to talk about it even with us prior to that?
Speaker 1: And I've been bringing up and recalling it during the
Speaker 1: filming he sweated bullets like just the memory of it
Speaker 1: brought back so much intense fear for him. So I
Speaker 1: think in his situation it was it was pure and
Speaker 1: utter fear. I mean, how close these things were. I
Speaker 1: mean if you weren't prepared and knowing what you're getting
Speaker 1: yourself into prior to it and having a passion for it,
Speaker 1: I think anybody would have been in Kinney's situation as
Speaker 1: far as fear goes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, have you returned to that location after that?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm trying to think if it was one or
Speaker 1: two times. I think it was twice, So the first
Speaker 1: time I returned to it, yes, it was two times.
Speaker 1: So the first time I returned to it. It was
Speaker 1: about I want to say, two months later, no, two
Speaker 1: weeks layers, two weeks layer because the weather was still warm.
Speaker 1: The initial thing happened in October because there was leaves
Speaker 1: on the ground and everything else. So we were about
Speaker 1: two weeks later and saying, gentlemen, Mike and I we
Speaker 1: obviously Kenny didn't go this time. We were thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get up here, We're gonna try to recreate
Speaker 1: the experience, see what happens, and hopefully we can get
Speaker 1: out of experience. And just time we came fully prepared. Well,
Speaker 1: the whole vibe of the entire force was different. We
Speaker 1: went up and we decided we were going to cut
Speaker 1: off a different way this time. And as we were
Speaker 1: going through there, I know it's probably it's physically impossible,
Speaker 1: but it.
Speaker 5: Really felt like the brush, the shrubbery, the trail, everything
Speaker 5: was getting smaller and closing in, and I'm thinking, this
Speaker 5: can'd be right because people track these all the time.
Speaker 1: There is should be much more open. And I just
Speaker 1: kept my heart started racing that I was getting all
Speaker 1: these bad vibes and I'm like, okay, this is not right.
Speaker 1: Something feels wrong, something feels totally wrong and mysaulted too,
Speaker 1: and we ended up getting out of there. It was
Speaker 1: we started. We tried to wait until I got a
Speaker 1: little darker. We left that path, came back out and
Speaker 1: went back up the other way, and as we were
Speaker 1: coming down in the dark, it was like, rather than
Speaker 1: this the curious thing, we were hearing stuff around us
Speaker 1: that it was like getting away from us, and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, this just all this feels wrong. Was
Speaker 1: totally different feeling. It felt very aggressive. The atmosphere felt
Speaker 1: very aggressive, and now learning more about people getting zats,
Speaker 1: I think that's what was going on with us. I
Speaker 1: think we were getting hit with some EMF and we
Speaker 1: were being affected by it, and that's what was causing
Speaker 1: all anxiety and the feeling that the trails and everything
Speaker 1: was closing in on us. And I don't think we
Speaker 1: were welcome there the second time around. After that first incident, you.
Speaker 4: Just said something interesting.
Speaker 1: You said, em yeah, I feel like, okay, so people
Speaker 1: talk about getting that to me. The I think that
Speaker 1: calls is EMF that they're able to emit, you know,
Speaker 1: where they're just like push and I think that's what
Speaker 1: messes up the equipment, what created the issue with these
Speaker 1: two live. I think that they're able to push out
Speaker 1: EMS and disrupt not just equipment, but also our brain wets,
Speaker 1: our brain pattern, and I think that that's probably what's
Speaker 1: causing the anxiety and everything else. I know, again that
Speaker 1: sounds very paranormal, but I think again there's like a
Speaker 1: science behind it, and I think that's probably what was
Speaker 1: going on with this the second time around, because there
Speaker 1: was just so much anxiety that we were both stealing.
Speaker 1: And I mean I spent so long out in the
Speaker 1: woods and had very interesting stuff happening and prior to that,
Speaker 1: but there was no reason for me to be that
Speaker 1: nervous or have that must anxiety. So I think now
Speaker 1: looking back, I think I was basically getting jobbed with
Speaker 1: EMS because they were they wanted us gone. We had
Speaker 1: already showed threatening behavior rather minded and they didn't want
Speaker 1: that there they remembered us.
Speaker 4: So with a background in paranormal obviously, EMF is something
Speaker 4: that you hear about, and then in the Bigfoot world,
Speaker 4: whenever people talk about being zapped and everything, it's usually
Speaker 4: associated with infrasound because of the physical symptoms that people
Speaker 4: report feeling. My friend Bob, who is the host of
Speaker 4: Bigfoot Club podcast brought it to my attention one time,
Speaker 4: which is kind of crazy that I had never heard
Speaker 4: anybody make the connection before, and now here you are
Speaker 4: someone completely unrelated to that conversation making the same connection
Speaker 4: where he pointed out that the physical symptoms people report
Speaker 4: from infrasound are pretty much identical to EMF symptoms that
Speaker 4: people experience in paranormal events, and what if it's not
Speaker 4: infrasound and it's EMF like you're talking about, which would
Speaker 4: explain the equipment malfunctions and all that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: and would also explain why there are certain things that
Speaker 4: don't seem to fit with the infrasound theory. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 4: we know that there are animals that produce infrasound, so
Speaker 4: there is that aspect to it, but I've always been
Speaker 4: fascinated about that particular element. I did experience something zapping
Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it, before, but we were
Speaker 4: at a location that I was aware of having some
Speaker 4: extremely strong paranormal activity going on at the time, so
Speaker 4: maybe it was related to that, I'm not sure, But
Speaker 4: with infrasound, it just never made a lot of sense
Speaker 4: to me in terms of, well, how would it be
Speaker 4: focused at a single individual, And why isn't any of
Speaker 4: the environment affected by Like if infrasound is traveling through
Speaker 4: a tint, for instance, and zapping someone on the inside
Speaker 4: of the tent, the tent walls should be shaking and
Speaker 4: vibrating and everything else around it. But yeah, you don't
Speaker 4: have that, and then you have the equipment malfunction stuff. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: the EMF thing is very interesting to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, like you said, if it's much better
Speaker 1: than infrasound, I mean, there could be some, you know,
Speaker 1: situations where it is in for sound, but I think
Speaker 1: the majority of what people feeling when they get zapped
Speaker 1: and the equipment layer is due to EMF. Because anybody
Speaker 1: who's on familiar the effects of high EMS frequencies or
Speaker 1: high EMF output. It on the brain. It creates paranoia,
Speaker 1: it creates hallucinations, it creates UH for over long term situations,
Speaker 1: it creates serious real health problems. It's no joke. And
Speaker 1: these are all scientifically proven things that happen in high
Speaker 1: EMS poems where there's a malfunction of outlets or water
Speaker 1: heaters or other electronic equipment in the home, they experience
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But for some reason, when they lead,
Speaker 1: they feel better. So that's why in the paranormal world,
Speaker 1: the first thing you do when you go into a
Speaker 1: home is you go around you do an EMS sweep,
Speaker 1: because you're looking for consistent high EMF readings and certain
Speaker 1: areas of the house, and you try to narrow it
Speaker 1: down to whatever is pushing out the high MS, because
Speaker 1: if they feel sicker in the bathroom and their water
Speaker 1: heater is not connected right or grounded out right and
Speaker 1: it's putting out EMS, then that's probably the cause of it.
Speaker 1: So going from the param world to the bigfoot world,
Speaker 1: I think has helped me out a lot as far
Speaker 1: as keeping my mind open and looking for other sources
Speaker 1: of whys. And that's where I've kind of leaned into
Speaker 1: that EMS belief rather than infrasound. So yeah, to me,
Speaker 1: that's that's where I'm at with that. The getting Zapp,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily infrasound.
Speaker 4: Have you taken an EMF meter with you out into
Speaker 4: the field during bigfoot research?
Speaker 1: You know? Interestingly enough, I haven't. Now I've taken my
Speaker 1: spirit box and obulus and things like that, but I
Speaker 1: have it taken it in EMF detector. Now part of
Speaker 1: that is because of all the other equipment that you're using,
Speaker 1: everything kind of puts out an ems field. And I
Speaker 1: never really thought about it because I like, oh, we
Speaker 1: got all this equipment and need that behind. But that's
Speaker 1: a good idea. I should I should try that and
Speaker 1: see what happens.
Speaker 4: You definitely should. I like you're saying, you know, it
Speaker 4: would have to be a very uh structured situation where
Speaker 4: you had other people with you and everything and leave
Speaker 4: everything at the cars and then go out by yourself
Speaker 4: and all that. But yeah, exactly, there shouldn't be any
Speaker 4: EMF spikes out in all the woods. It would be
Speaker 4: interesting if there were, especially in a Bigfoot area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I have in the woods, saying it got
Speaker 1: to a haunted in the woods, but never to a
Speaker 1: big Foot research location.
Speaker 4: So you also mentioned the girly whoop. I've never heard
Speaker 4: that term. I guess that's a very technical term for that.
Speaker 1: But I think it was a made up term.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure we've had a lot of those
Speaker 4: over the years. But whenever it comes to male versus female,
Speaker 4: do you think women get more or different interactions in
Speaker 4: the Bigfoot world.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think naturally, women are less threatening. Additionally, we
Speaker 1: have different hormones than men, so I think that that
Speaker 1: could be not just more appealing, but also less intimidating.
Speaker 1: I think that women, especially when you go out and
Speaker 1: just a group of women, I think their experiences are
Speaker 1: a lot more docile rather than men, who get a
Speaker 1: lot of rock throwing if they're come in with an
Speaker 1: aggressive state of mind or behavior. I think that women
Speaker 1: kind of at an advantage to have a more docile
Speaker 1: experience than men. And that's, you know, just because I
Speaker 1: think for them, we're much less threatening. We are much
Speaker 1: more appealing to the nose and the eyes. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's a huge difference when you get a
Speaker 1: group of men out researching than a group of women.
Speaker 4: So that happened in Kentucky. You're not from Kentucky, right, No.
Speaker 1: I mean for a few years when I was like
Speaker 1: two to five years old, but no, I'm from Ohio.
Speaker 1: You know, It's where I've lived most of my life.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this was an area that was brought to
Speaker 1: my attention by my here. He'd said he'd been out
Speaker 1: there researching the past and all the activity had stopped,
Speaker 1: so he is just going back out to you know,
Speaker 1: to using his example to other people.
Speaker 4: But you've researched in multiple states?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Where's your favorite location? Like? Which state? Is there a
Speaker 4: certain location? I mean, obviously you don't have to give
Speaker 4: specifics or anything, but do you have like a favorite
Speaker 4: research spot.
Speaker 1: My favorite location I've ever been to you, by far
Speaker 1: was oh grit Oregon, for a variety of reasons. The
Speaker 1: types of sightings that happen there are very unique in
Speaker 1: comparison to Ohio where I'm from. There's a lot more
Speaker 1: daytime sightings, a lot more very visual sightings that it's
Speaker 1: almost like they're not as sneaky or don't feel the
Speaker 1: need to hide as much. As well as the view.
Speaker 1: The view and the area is just gorgeous. Just being
Speaker 1: up in the mountains is just amazing, and so I
Speaker 1: want to go back again, hopefully this year, maybe next year,
Speaker 1: but I've only been there one other time, so that
Speaker 1: was just my favorite. As far as my favorite place
Speaker 1: to actually research, my favorite state, it's probably Michigan. It's
Speaker 1: also beautiful. There's a lot of rural areas there, especially
Speaker 1: when you get a little further into Michigan, a lot
Speaker 1: more dense forested area. It's just the wilderness is just
Speaker 1: so extensive. So that's probably my favorite place to go.
Speaker 1: But my favorite place ever been was an Oregon.
Speaker 4: And by contrast, what's the other side of the bigfoot
Speaker 4: behavior in Ohio, for instance, compared to Oregon.
Speaker 1: In contrast, in Ohio, most sightings happened at night, they're fleeting,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot more rock throwing in Ohio than
Speaker 1: there is an organ and this the sightings are not
Speaker 1: as common. We just had a ten sightings in the
Speaker 1: beginning of March back to back reported to mostly one
Speaker 1: bigfoot group. But I think it's just because they were
Speaker 1: a little bit more well known. But I think it
Speaker 1: was like three total bigfoot groups that had been report
Speaker 1: had reports of bigfoot sightings, and it was more northern Ohio.
Speaker 1: So that was very unique to have that many all
Speaker 1: in one. It was like a three counting area and
Speaker 1: so that was pretty sighting. It actually made the news
Speaker 1: and everything versus an Oregon. You know, that's it seems
Speaker 1: more common occurrence to have consistent reportings. So that's that's
Speaker 1: the difference. It's more nighttime sightings here. They're not as
Speaker 1: common or rather not as commonly reported maybe and we
Speaker 1: don't have as much mountainous areas and not nearly as
Speaker 1: many forested areas as Oregon does. So and some people
Speaker 1: might argue I might make to differ, but from my experience,
Speaker 1: we have a lot less forested area and way more
Speaker 1: night siding than the good daytime. It's very uncommon to
Speaker 1: have a daytime siding that happens, but it's really uncommon.
Speaker 4: Have you been to any areas that are known for
Speaker 4: more aggressive encounters?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I've actually not had That was the
Speaker 1: other one the story I was talking about. That was
Speaker 1: the most aggressive encounter I've ever had, But I've been
Speaker 1: to areas that are poison have more aggressive type experiences.
Speaker 1: But I thoroughly believe that when you go in there,
Speaker 1: and you go in there with the expectation that it's
Speaker 1: going to be a threatening situation, and you're voisterous, bring
Speaker 1: your guns, and you're throwing out all these different animal sounds,
Speaker 1: and you know all these different noises, and just I
Speaker 1: think your behavior and your mindset when you're going into
Speaker 1: a location has a direct impact on what you're going
Speaker 1: to get back. So there's an area probably thirty five
Speaker 1: minutes from me where group researchers I'm very familiar with.
Speaker 1: I've had multiple negative experiences rock throws, I mean, busts
Speaker 1: in their windows and just all this crazy stuff. And
Speaker 1: I've been there many times and have never had a
Speaker 1: rock par at me. Maybe you know I am female
Speaker 1: there male, but I think again, it's just your mindset,
Speaker 1: how you go into a location and animals. Not to
Speaker 1: compare bigfoot to an animal, but even animals who are
Speaker 1: not as intelligent as a bigfoot can pick up on
Speaker 1: your body language and what you're thinking. And obviously they
Speaker 1: can as well because they're you know, they have that
Speaker 1: sense to them. I think or there will pick up
Speaker 1: on stuff, but much more intelligent where you know they
Speaker 1: can react without being spotted.
Speaker 4: I agree totally with what you're saying. I think it's
Speaker 4: definitely body language and mindset dictates a lot of the
Speaker 4: type of activity people experience and the encounters they have.
Speaker 4: You know, with all the the podcasts out there, you
Speaker 4: do hear these stories that sound, you know, horrific. Do
Speaker 4: you think some of that stuff takes place? Do you
Speaker 4: think people could be in danger of getting snatched up
Speaker 4: and killed by a bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Oh? That's that's a really difficult question, because I mean
Speaker 1: I think with anything. I think with anything, there are
Speaker 1: bad apples. You know, with with people, you know, we
Speaker 1: have people with you know, psychiatric problems and hallucinations and
Speaker 1: things like that, and you know so and with dolls
Speaker 1: you have you know, bulls are notorious for attacking people.
Speaker 1: But there's tons of good ones too. I think with anything,
Speaker 1: there's always going to be bad apples. And I think
Speaker 1: in situations where people are having these encounters or like
Speaker 1: the messtink bomon or people who feel like their home
Speaker 1: is being attacked, I think that's the situation. I think
Speaker 1: it's just an oncommon bad apple, just one that's just
Speaker 1: not does it follow the same sort of behavior pattern
Speaker 1: that the majority of them do, and that's where you
Speaker 1: get these very aggressive, almost attack like situations.
Speaker 4: Have you had an actual siding.
Speaker 1: I I think so so I I'm very bad about
Speaker 1: convincing myself out of something, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in in Oregon when I was up there, we
Speaker 1: had a situation where I jumped out of the truck
Speaker 1: and you know, the people stopped. It was you know,
Speaker 1: there was a baby deer running from us and we
Speaker 1: were trying to get her off the road instead of
Speaker 1: chasing it down the mountain and the truck. So I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm when we get close, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: jump out and I'm gonna run this deer, baby deer
Speaker 1: down and shoot it off the road. As if I
Speaker 1: would ever have caught up.
Speaker 4: You're telling the story. I'm just here to listen, you know.
Speaker 1: But it was it was a bright idea, you know,
Speaker 1: something wet road. But yeah, no, I So when we
Speaker 1: got close to us, he stopped the truck. I jumped.
Speaker 1: I'm jumping out over two other people. I'm jumping out
Speaker 1: real fast and taking off run as fast as I can.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to the side of it so
Speaker 1: it'll go to the left and get off the off
Speaker 1: the road. And I'm running and I go around this
Speaker 1: curve and I start to go on another one, and
Speaker 1: as I'm running, there's this silhouette on this wall. It's
Speaker 1: like this shrubbery and this wall that goes up, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm looking at my shadow as I'm running,
Speaker 1: because the truck's behind me with his headlights on, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking on shooting out a shadow as I'm running.
Speaker 1: And then I realized, like, hey, this shadow doesn't quite
Speaker 1: look like what I'm doing. So I tilt my head
Speaker 1: to one side. Well, this thing tilts its head to
Speaker 1: the other side, and I'm like, so I slowed my
Speaker 1: step a little bit, and I'm like, okay, try to
Speaker 1: get tilt my head to the other side. It tilts
Speaker 1: its head to the opposite side. But that's definitely not
Speaker 1: my shadow, and I mean to put the brakes on
Speaker 1: so fast, like my feet skid it a little bit
Speaker 1: under the gravel, are on the gravel, and so I'm
Speaker 1: just watching it and I'm like, everybody's up behind me.
Speaker 1: Nobody ran with me. I was by myself, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like, hi, da s laws right now I'm seeing
Speaker 1: it something. It's very in front of me. And this
Speaker 1: thing just turns, takes three steps and has gone every
Speaker 1: day to side of the road and somebody I'm not moving.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I am not moving. I'm waiting until somebody
Speaker 1: comes to the flashlight and I'm shining it down there
Speaker 1: and I'm looking, well, somebody took forever to come to
Speaker 1: get to me. Chad. He finally gets to me, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I'm hard to stif asko. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna believe what I just saw. Bl blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. And I'm telling him what I just saw.
Speaker 1: He's like, I believe you, Calm down, Calm down. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't care re believing. I'm telling you what I saw.
Speaker 1: And it did. It had a conical shaped head. Did
Speaker 1: it look like it had a neck it all. But
Speaker 1: it was very silhouette, so cause it was dark and
Speaker 1: I couldn't see any detail. So in my mind, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to talk myself out of it. Well, there was
Speaker 1: people taking video footage of the front of the truck.
Speaker 1: What everybody up there was seeing. Somebody was still taking video,
Speaker 1: and prior to this thing walking off, I look up
Speaker 1: to see where the truck is and I can't see
Speaker 1: the headlights except for what's shining through the leaves of
Speaker 1: the tree. And so I look back and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's definitely nobody up there, silhouette. And then you know,
Speaker 1: it walks off, And so I pulled up the footage
Speaker 1: that they had recorded, and I'm watching it to see if,
Speaker 1: for some crazy reason, it's somebody's shadow from up there.
Speaker 1: You know, in my mind, I didn't. I was so
Speaker 1: anxious for that to do what it was. But I
Speaker 1: didn't really think about the fact that when you know,
Speaker 1: shadows stretch, they disappear after a while. So as I'm
Speaker 1: watching the video, I can only see pieces of somebody's shadow,
Speaker 1: and it's they're so stretched out. I'm like, it's not them,
Speaker 1: you know, because the lighthead the shadow was just stretched
Speaker 1: so far it didn't even reach where I was, so
Speaker 1: none of it was them. And so I'm watching the
Speaker 1: video back. I'm watching the video of you running like
Speaker 1: a goofy weirdo, and you know, like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I saw, except it could have been a big foot.
Speaker 1: But can I say that for sure? No, because I
Speaker 1: didn't see any detail. I just saw the telltale sign
Speaker 1: that it had a conical head, and basically no net.
Speaker 4: Okay, as a researcher, no, you cannot say that you
Speaker 4: saw a bigfoot. As as a person, though, I mean
Speaker 4: you saw a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I feel like I saw basically, I mean, what else
Speaker 1: could it have been? Right? Exactly exactly. So that is
Speaker 1: the only thing I've ever seen with my own eyes.
Speaker 1: I've seen flits of stuff, you know, disappearing into the folios,
Speaker 1: but never anything like I could see the full silhouette.
Speaker 4: I had a similar instnse uh where I was trying to.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm still trying to, like I've had deciding,
Speaker 4: but this other thing wasn't a siding. But I still
Speaker 4: don't know what else it could have been. But it's,
Speaker 4: you know, like you're talking about a silhouette. I couldn't
Speaker 4: see any details though, but it was a silhouette. I
Speaker 4: was only like twenty feet away from it. It wasn't
Speaker 4: my shadow, it wasn't the shadow of anybody else. There
Speaker 4: was no lights around, and it ran across the road
Speaker 4: in front of me. I wasn't in a vehicle, And yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know what else it could have been. But
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's something going on with that
Speaker 4: or what the deal is, because the whole silhouette thing
Speaker 4: where it just I mean, it looks like a shadow.
Speaker 4: It looks like it's a shadow. It's absorbing the light.
Speaker 4: There's no light there. It's just black and I don't
Speaker 4: see like I've seen lots of animals at night time.
Speaker 4: I've seen lots of animals in the dark where you
Speaker 4: can't really make out what they are, but they don't
Speaker 4: look like.
Speaker 1: That exactly exactly. Yeah, I don't know what there is
Speaker 1: to an eater, and I guess I just assumed that
Speaker 1: it was so dark that maybe I just couldn't see
Speaker 1: any of its features. But yeah, it is weird that
Speaker 1: I didn't see really any features. I didn't see. It
Speaker 1: was just yeah, it was just took a shadow. So
Speaker 1: that is interesting. And again that's one of those situations
Speaker 1: where this kind of this weird sort of paranormal s type,
Speaker 1: you know, phenomena to it where we just don't know.
Speaker 4: Now, have you had an overlap have you had like
Speaker 4: paranormal experiences while bigfooting?
Speaker 1: Yes. So we were on a research location at one
Speaker 1: point and I like to blend my equipment and I
Speaker 1: thought it'd be a fun idea to do a spearitbox
Speaker 1: session and a big location and I was using my
Speaker 1: spirit box and I'm talking to the spirits and I'm
Speaker 1: like I'm like, hi, how are you, and you know,
Speaker 1: trying to get some things to connect and it was
Speaker 1: like it was like hi, And I was like, do
Speaker 1: you know why we're here? And there it said digfoot okay,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: It was really cool.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, do you know where we can
Speaker 1: sign Dagfoot and it said go east, and it just happened.
Speaker 1: That's where we had our big sighting that was featured
Speaker 1: as Here in the Woods was in the same location,
Speaker 1: but a little bit east of where we took that
Speaker 1: spear box recording. Oh yeah, So it was very interesting
Speaker 1: how it connected it it played into itself. So oftentimes
Speaker 1: I'll take my paramal equipment out to these big foot
Speaker 1: locations to kind of just you know, I'll switch up
Speaker 1: between one and the other and moment and the other, and
Speaker 1: I've had some really cool stuffs hopping from it. But
Speaker 1: that was one of the ones that we were actually
Speaker 1: film So yeah, I still have the recording. I thought
Speaker 1: it might even be up on YouTube, so on our
Speaker 1: old channel. But yeah, where we're talking to these spirits
Speaker 1: and they're talking to us about Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Do you want to talk about the paranoral stuff that
Speaker 4: you experience growing up?
Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: I think it's really cool that you are kind of
Speaker 1: the same as me. Is that as you start out
Speaker 1: in the paranl and kind of branched off from the
Speaker 1: big Foot. So I can see why we have a
Speaker 1: lot of the same ideas and possibilities. But when I
Speaker 1: didn't have anything happened to me that I remember prior
Speaker 1: to this one big explosion of paraml stuff that just
Speaker 1: led me down this path. I still experience paramal stuff
Speaker 1: to this day in my home. I've never gotten away
Speaker 1: from it followed me everywhere I go. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: was just normal kid, twelve years old, you know, still
Speaker 1: playing with dolls. You know, I locked my youth. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to give it up, so you know, I
Speaker 1: was just like just a kid. And then I woke up.
Speaker 1: I had this really weird what I call this sort
Speaker 1: of awakening where I had this almost paranormal situation. This
Speaker 1: cat just its whole eyes changed and I went to
Speaker 1: pettit and it like smacked me, and then it ran
Speaker 1: away and disappeared. It was like it was so weird
Speaker 1: and it only makes sense to me. But it was
Speaker 1: after that, right after the incident, is when just the
Speaker 1: explosion of paranormal stuff. So I went to bed one
Speaker 1: night and I had this dream that somebody that we
Speaker 1: call Grandpa had died. And I woke up and I
Speaker 1: could see ambulance lights on the ceiling and I told
Speaker 1: my mom, said, Mom, Grandpa just died, and she goes
Speaker 1: your grandpa, and I said, grandpa reading, and she goes, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, because he wasn't my real grandpa, sirts of
Speaker 1: higher spoof and I was like, no, I'm telling you, please, please,
Speaker 1: please go check your house. Go check their house. Well,
Speaker 1: their house was totally opposite of where the window was,
Speaker 1: down the way a little bit, so she had to
Speaker 1: walk all the way around where we lived and go
Speaker 1: to the whole side of the house. And there she
Speaker 1: saw the annulynces and stuff at his house. And I
Speaker 1: kept asking her before she left, I said, didn't you
Speaker 1: see the lights on the sands? She said, I see nothing.
Speaker 1: I said, there's Anulis lights on the ceiling. I know
Speaker 1: it's them. And so I had this weird precognizant thing
Speaker 1: that happened. And then the next day I started seeing
Speaker 1: shadows and I kept telling my mom, Mom, there's this
Speaker 1: shadow that keeps messling on my stuff. It's like knocking
Speaker 1: my books off my dresser, it's pulling my clothes off,
Speaker 1: the hair in the closet. And she know she's blaming
Speaker 1: us kids for the whole timet. Mom, No, it's this shadow,
Speaker 1: and it would I used to crochet when I was little,
Speaker 1: A lot, and that was my favorite thing to do.
Speaker 1: And I'd always throw the ball yard up to the
Speaker 1: top of the steps into the bathtub, and this thing
Speaker 1: would always throw it back, and as I'd look up,
Speaker 1: I'd watch it bounce on a step and go up
Speaker 1: in the air and stop. I'll be there for a
Speaker 1: second and bout and then go back up. Just all
Speaker 1: this crazy stuff sort of happening around me, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to convince my mom of it, and she's like, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: And then one day we were carrying in groceries and
Speaker 1: she thought she saw we had this entertainment stand had
Speaker 1: a window on it and so you could see your
Speaker 1: reflections in that window install of Aaron from the kitchen.
Speaker 1: And so she's in the kitchen and she sees the
Speaker 1: shadow come in and sits something on the floor in
Speaker 1: that window, and she was bringing in here, and I'm
Speaker 1: out in the car, still grabbing stuff, and I go
Speaker 1: in and like, who's talking to She was you? I
Speaker 1: just saw you bring something instead of something down, and
Speaker 1: I said that wasn't me, and it was like the
Speaker 1: light bulb went on in her head. She finally saw it,
Speaker 1: and from then on out, like she finally believed me,
Speaker 1: and I would tell her about the stuff that was happening,
Speaker 1: and she didn't want to talk about it, but she'd listen,
Speaker 1: and it's just just went on like this three years,
Speaker 1: and periodically she would experience it right along with me.
Speaker 1: There was this little girl that was in another house
Speaker 1: that I lived in, and she would always talk to
Speaker 1: me through the door. She'd never talk when the door
Speaker 1: was opened all then the door was closed, so it
Speaker 1: was always very muffled. I could never stand what she
Speaker 1: was saying, and I'd be afraid to open the door.
Speaker 1: I was always scared to open the door and says, like,
Speaker 1: what's going to be there when I opened the door,
Speaker 1: So I'd sling the door open and back up or
Speaker 1: I couldn't see outside of the wherever I was at,
Speaker 1: and then kind of peek around and yeah, she and
Speaker 1: one day my mom finally heard her. She was talking
Speaker 1: through the upstairs door. And my whole upstairs, my bedroom
Speaker 1: was just one big giant room because I had the
Speaker 1: whole upstairs myself. There was a door that to it.
Speaker 1: She heard the little girl talking through the door, and
Speaker 1: she's sitting there with me. I'm getting ready for school
Speaker 1: in the morning and I heard her. I lit to
Speaker 1: my mom, said you heard her, didn't you, And she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I heard that. So it was just little slits of
Speaker 1: experiences that she would experience with me. But man, I
Speaker 1: got the brau of it, and it's then her stops.
Speaker 1: My kids experienced stuff growing up with me. They've had
Speaker 1: some pretty harrying, harrowing experiences. One time, we get this
Speaker 1: thing that I call a mimic. Periodically, word'll mimic people's smells,
Speaker 1: it i'mic how they look, their voices, just mimics random stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's not just one person, it's anybody. And one
Speaker 1: day my kids are playing hide and seek. My daughter
Speaker 1: comes running into the kitchenen she hides in the cupboard,
Speaker 1: and my youngest he's just sitting there on the cowsbox
Speaker 1: and PD and all of a sudden, I hear gage
Speaker 1: my oldest he's like, mom, Mom, Mom, come here, please please,
Speaker 1: And he's in a panic, and I go in there.
Speaker 1: He goes, I just saw Ezra in her nightgown run
Speaker 1: underneath the bed, and then I climbed down her here
Speaker 1: after her. She wasn't there, And I was like, his
Speaker 1: sister's in the cupboard in the kitchen and he's like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I swear I saw her run under the bed and
Speaker 1: he was But now that I think about it, she
Speaker 1: moved so fast, like she glided under the bed, and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it wasn't your sister.
Speaker 4: That's creepy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, still a ton. I mean, I could go on
Speaker 1: for days about all this stuff that me and my
Speaker 1: family have all experienced.
Speaker 4: Do you think it was centralized around you or just locations.
Speaker 1: I think there are a couple of things that are
Speaker 1: centralized around me individually, But there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: houses I've moved to where there'll be one or two
Speaker 1: things that are out of the norm of things we
Speaker 1: usually deal with. So there's this guy who is centralized
Speaker 1: around me, and that's who my mom saw carry and
Speaker 1: said something down. And then there's this mimic who is
Speaker 1: kind centralized around me. But the last house we lived
Speaker 1: in before we moved to where I'm living now, there
Speaker 1: was this little girl kind of came with the house. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why these things come out once I'm there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like somehow charge the environment
Speaker 1: where they're able to be more auditory and more visible.
Speaker 1: But this little girl came at the house, like once
Speaker 1: we moved in there. She was very unique to what
Speaker 1: we normally experienced. We'd hear her seeing upstairs when nobody
Speaker 1: was upstairs. We'd hear her running up and down the
Speaker 1: stairs when nobody was upstairs. And then there was another
Speaker 1: gentleman who came with the house, who hovered more downstairs
Speaker 1: towards the back of the house bathward area. And I
Speaker 1: actually caught him on Cameron accident. He could hear him say.
Speaker 1: He says something along the lines that this is my
Speaker 1: house or get out of my house. And I caught
Speaker 1: her on video and accident was being duef you just
Speaker 1: to can ran a video and you can hear him.
Speaker 1: He sounds mad. So he came with the house. But
Speaker 1: since we moved to where I'm at now, we have
Speaker 1: the normal mimicry and the guy that kind of does
Speaker 1: weird stuff here and there. But then there's something around
Speaker 1: the outside. You'll be sitting anywhere in the house and
Speaker 1: you'll see something a white silhouette looks like a person
Speaker 1: just zoom by, and it'll zoom by another part of
Speaker 1: the house and it'll zoom by again. And so he
Speaker 1: came with this house, so it's just it's more centralized
Speaker 1: around me those two things. But then each house we
Speaker 1: move into has its own unique ghosts. I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I used to think about the stuff very binary,
Speaker 4: where like a location can be haunted or a person
Speaker 4: might be haunted. But I think it was a couple
Speaker 4: of years ago somebody said something and it just kind
Speaker 4: of made sense and seemed to click, where like everything else,
Speaker 4: it may not be so cut and dry. It might
Speaker 4: be it has to be the right person in the
Speaker 4: right place at the right time for something to happen,
Speaker 4: and that's why stuff doesn't always happen with other people,
Speaker 4: or multiple people can live in the same house and
Speaker 4: only one of them experienced things, or someone doesn't ever
Speaker 4: experience things, or sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.
Speaker 4: And I hear a lot of that stuff kind of
Speaker 4: play out in the Bigfoot world too, where it seems
Speaker 4: like once the switch is flipped, it's like now people
Speaker 4: have sightings and encounters on a pretty regular basis, whenever
Speaker 4: other people. You know, I've spent my whole life going
Speaker 4: out hunting and never seen anything, you know, that sort
Speaker 4: of thing. Do you think there's something to that? Do
Speaker 4: you think people I mean, the word tagged gets you
Speaker 4: some times. You know, someone is a bigfoot magnet and
Speaker 4: just attracts that sort of activity. Do you think there's
Speaker 4: anything to that at all?
Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, Why I don't know, but I think that
Speaker 1: that shell is broken. It's very hard to close it
Speaker 1: back up again. And I'm not sure why once you
Speaker 1: have those experiences and you spend enough time out in
Speaker 1: the woods or in areas looking for ghosts, big foot
Speaker 1: or UFOs things, when it finally happens for you, it
Speaker 1: starts to happen on a regular basis. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: why that is, but I definitely think that that is
Speaker 1: so true because you know, like you said, there's people
Speaker 1: and we talked about it on the last podcast that
Speaker 1: I did on my own show, where it's weird how
Speaker 1: some people can have like all these different experiences, and
Speaker 1: then there's other people, like you said, that are out
Speaker 1: in the woods or whole white they hunted, they you know,
Speaker 1: done all this stuff out of the woods their whole life,
Speaker 1: are never seen anything. So maybe it's something in their
Speaker 1: genetics or in their thought. Maybe just having the open
Speaker 1: mind and being willing to go out and look for
Speaker 1: it opens their mind to having that sort of experience.
Speaker 1: But I definitely think that there is truth that when
Speaker 1: you're open and when you've had these your first experience,
Speaker 1: it's like an ag you crack it, it's can't glue together,
Speaker 1: glue it together again, it's it's open, you know, and
Speaker 1: now you have a higher possibility of seeing more of it.
Speaker 4: I mean that aspect of this is one of the
Speaker 4: main points of interest I have about this subject after
Speaker 4: over the years of realizing like, Okay, well there's just
Speaker 4: more questions. I'm never going to have them answered. But
Speaker 4: something that I find unique is you do have people
Speaker 4: every now and then where it's like I saw one
Speaker 4: across the road in front of my car one night,
Speaker 4: and that's the only thing that's ever happened to me.
Speaker 4: And I'll be like, okay, well, have you ever had
Speaker 4: any paranormal experiences or seeing a UFO or anything like that. Nope, nothing,
Speaker 4: just that that's the only thing that's ever happened. But
Speaker 4: then I run across people such as ourselves that have
Speaker 4: had all these experiences and then had this and this
Speaker 4: and this and just going through and checking off the
Speaker 4: boxes and all these different categories. Is it the person
Speaker 4: that those things are rotating around or I mean, what
Speaker 4: is it? What is the connection? Because the odds are
Speaker 4: you shouldn't be able to have multiple ghost experiences, multiple
Speaker 4: bigfoot experiences. Have you seen any UFOs? I have? Yeah, exactly, So,
Speaker 4: like why do people like that exist? Why? Why do
Speaker 4: we exist? I'm one of those people too. Why why
Speaker 4: does it seem that some people, you know, whenever that
Speaker 4: egg is cracked, like you're saying, it's not just one thing,
Speaker 4: it's everything, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I've noticed, not that it's a why, but
Speaker 7: I've noticed that, Like the reason why I said genetics
Speaker 7: is that when I talked to somebody about their experiences
Speaker 7: and I'm like, well, what about your family?
Speaker 1: Oh my mom is experienced stuff, my sister's experienced stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's almost family a family affair, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not just one person in a family,
Speaker 1: it's with multiple people within the family. So I wonder
Speaker 1: if maybe there's some genetics that play into it. I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows, it could even boil down to blood tyger.
Speaker 1: Who knows. We don't know yet. But I have noticed
Speaker 1: in my research that it's not just one person that's
Speaker 1: hand that has these sort of things happened to him.
Speaker 1: It's several people in this family. They can name all several.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy. I've never even thought about that aspect
Speaker 4: of it before. But you're absolutely right, and that also
Speaker 4: holds true in my own family, right. I mean, not
Speaker 4: just the paranormal stuff, you know, we're not talking about me,
Speaker 4: but just as a for instance, I got interested in
Speaker 4: bigfoot completely independent. Nobody had in the family ever told
Speaker 4: me any stories or anything like that. After I started
Speaker 4: going out and researching and everything. Got made fun of
Speaker 4: a little bit by the family for it. However, one
Speaker 4: year at Thanksgiving, one of my uncles kind of caught
Speaker 4: me off to the side and made sure nobody was around,
Speaker 4: and was like, you know, I used to go out
Speaker 4: looking for bigfoot when I was young, didn't you. I
Speaker 4: had no idea, no clue that he had done this,
Speaker 4: and he used to be a bigfoot researcher for a while.
Speaker 4: And then he proceeded to tell me a story about
Speaker 4: how my great great grandmother had a bigfoot siding and
Speaker 4: that my great great grandfather actually shot at it. And
Speaker 4: this was back in like the late eighteen hundreds, And
Speaker 4: I mean, I had no idea, you know, she passed
Speaker 4: away whenever I was like one, which, that's crazy that
Speaker 4: my great great grandmother was still alive. But I mean
Speaker 4: I had never heard that story or anything, and I mean,
Speaker 4: what are the odds of that? You know, in one family,
Speaker 4: you've got this lineage of bigfooters. You know, it's kind
Speaker 4: of crazy. But then you know, after talking to so
Speaker 4: many witnesses, there's a pattern. You know, It's something that
Speaker 4: happens over and over. And yeah, sometimes some people, you know,
Speaker 4: will embellish a few things to make their life more exciting.
Speaker 4: But I've talked to a lot of people that are
Speaker 4: one hundred percent genuine. They don't always want to have
Speaker 4: anything to do with it, they don't enjoy it. But
Speaker 4: it just seems like not a lot. It's not like
Speaker 4: an everyday experience or anything. But it just seems like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they've seen a ghost, they've seen bigfoot, they've seen a UFO,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's just has to be something to
Speaker 4: it that all these different phenomenon seem to overlap for
Speaker 4: some reason. I just have no idea what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would be nice to kind of
Speaker 1: dial in on that and in my research and figure
Speaker 1: out maybe what that catalyst is if it's not multiple things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very interesting.
Speaker 4: Where are you at with all the dog man stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so believe it or not. Out of
Speaker 1: all the kryptids I've ever seen and been able to
Speaker 1: not deny that I've seen is a dog man. That's
Speaker 1: the only thing. And I still struggle to call it
Speaker 1: like the typical dogman because it never stood up and
Speaker 1: never walked on two legs. It was very keene, I'm like,
Speaker 1: so every time I talked about it, prior to even
Speaker 1: learning about dog Man, I just caught it a science
Speaker 1: experiment gone wrong. I said it was a mixture retained
Speaker 1: a hyena, a dog, a wolf, and a bear. So
Speaker 1: like the three mixtures, it's like it is like somebody
Speaker 1: took and smashed all these creatures together into one. And
Speaker 1: that's what I saw, and I saw it. The whole
Speaker 1: experience lasted like five minutes and I got a great
Speaker 1: look at it.
Speaker 4: So what happened? What I mean? That's crazy? Where did
Speaker 4: you see it?
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, right out in my front yard was the worst place.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the worst possible location to see something that
Speaker 1: crazy in my front yard. So we had moved from
Speaker 1: a very busy area that's right off of Route fifty.
Speaker 1: I mean like right on top of fifty. Like the
Speaker 1: semis was shaped house when they went by, So everything
Speaker 1: is always knowing it was always bright. And so when
Speaker 1: I bought my first house out in the country, just
Speaker 1: everything was so quiet. I could see this, I could
Speaker 1: see millions of stars, and I was just totally enamored
Speaker 1: by the whole thing. And so to the first several
Speaker 1: nights I lived there, I spent most of my time
Speaker 1: out at night, out in my front yard just staring
Speaker 1: at the stars. And one night, it was one of
Speaker 1: the first few nights I move in there, and it
Speaker 1: was either a full moon or close to full moon.
Speaker 1: And I say this because it was so bright out.
Speaker 1: You could see the shadows of the trees casting a shadow.
Speaker 1: So it was very bright out. And I'm standing in
Speaker 1: the yard and I'm looking up the stars and just
Speaker 1: you know, counting them, seeing what kind of consolations I
Speaker 1: can see. And from my periphery I could see down
Speaker 1: these two little white things just run really close to
Speaker 1: me right across my yard. I looked down and I
Speaker 1: catched these two possums run it off, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's creatures here too. So I was like, okay, I
Speaker 1: need to, you know, get up somewhere where I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be bothered by these by these you know, critters
Speaker 1: that I'm not used to having around, and I want to,
Speaker 1: you know, look at the stars still. So I climbed up.
Speaker 1: I had full size van at the time. I climbed
Speaker 1: up on top of that. I have my legs over
Speaker 1: the side, and I'm looking up at the stars. And
Speaker 1: after a while, you know, my backs are heard, and
Speaker 1: so I laid back on the van. I'm just watching
Speaker 1: the stars. All of a sudden, I get this like ceiling,
Speaker 1: like I need to sit up. So I sit up
Speaker 1: and I start looking across the yard. And across my
Speaker 1: yard there was a line of trees of pine trees,
Speaker 1: and it was very dark within those pine trees, and
Speaker 1: I could see a silhouette what I thought looked like
Speaker 1: just this massive, fluffy deer. That was the first thing
Speaker 1: I thought when I saw it. And I was like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, that is a huge deer. Why is this
Speaker 1: so fluffy? And then it comes out further I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: what is that? And I could tell it wasn't the
Speaker 1: shape of the deer and I'm looking at it and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to spear what it is, and then it
Speaker 1: comes out into the moonlight, and everything was just slow
Speaker 1: motion in that moment, as I saw its muzzle and
Speaker 1: then I saw its ears, and then I saw the
Speaker 1: top of its head and its eyes, and as it
Speaker 1: comes out from the trees the shadow of the trees,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing more and more of this thing, and it
Speaker 1: was like literally a SIS experiment gone wrong. It was
Speaker 1: very canine looking, mixed with a bear and a hyena,
Speaker 1: and it's got this huge, fluffy name on its neck
Speaker 1: and then it around the shoulder area, the hair got
Speaker 1: real farse and more flat, and then as it let down,
Speaker 1: the back had this very narrow waste, and then I
Speaker 1: could see its tail got fluffy again. And its legs.
Speaker 1: That was what I remember the most about, just the
Speaker 1: awkward angle of the way it was walking. The legs
Speaker 1: were bent so beard it was almost like it was crawling,
Speaker 1: but like everybody talks about the third bend and a
Speaker 1: dog man, and it's hard to describe the way it looks,
Speaker 1: and it was almost belly crawling across the ground. And
Speaker 1: it was coming out into the middle of my yard
Speaker 1: in my my blood pressure, like my blood just left
Speaker 1: my body all way to my feet. My heart starts
Speaker 1: pounding early, hard because it's huge, it's massive, and I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting there and I'm like, I can't move, I
Speaker 1: can't make sound, I can't breathe, I can't move. I
Speaker 1: don't want it to know I'm here. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it just stops. And well prior to
Speaker 1: it was stopping as it's going across the ground, It's
Speaker 1: like delly crawling, and its head is swaying back and
Speaker 1: forth and back and forth as if it's painting the ground.
Speaker 1: And it stops in the middle of my yard, and
Speaker 1: my heart sink even further as as it was even capable,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking it it's caught my sin. It knows
Speaker 1: I'm here, and it lists its head up and it
Speaker 1: didn't even look at me, didn't acknowledge me, no, nothing.
Speaker 1: Immediately puts its head back down slowly like turns and
Speaker 1: starts heading right at my feet, like right in my direction.
Speaker 1: And as it gets close to, my heart's pounding further further, harder, harder,
Speaker 1: and all I can think is, I'm going to pass out.
Speaker 1: I'm going to pass out and end up on the
Speaker 1: ground in front of this thing, and it gets under
Speaker 1: my feet and it pushes it raises itself up a
Speaker 1: little bit, and then I kind of black out, like
Speaker 1: I don't really remember, like I know or think that
Speaker 1: it maybe spilt my feet, but it was like the
Speaker 1: adrenaline was so intense. I think my mind just blanked out,
Speaker 1: Like I don't remember what its eyes looks like. I
Speaker 1: kept close anything like that, and then put lowered itself
Speaker 1: back down And in comparison to how long this thing was,
Speaker 1: it was about three quarters the length of that full
Speaker 1: size van. Wow, it was huge. And that's just the link,
Speaker 1: I I mean perspective. I can't tell you how tall
Speaker 1: it was because I'm looking down at it, but the
Speaker 1: link is what I noticed. It was like, I thing,
Speaker 1: he's almost as big as this van. And it goes
Speaker 1: back exactly to the like s just itself back me
Speaker 1: the exact same angle it was in before it turned
Speaker 1: my direction and finishes itself across the road, and the
Speaker 1: moment as soon as it hit the other shadows across
Speaker 1: the street, I jumped off that full size van and
Speaker 1: ran into the house, and I remember just the zine.
Speaker 1: Soon as my feet hit I hit wrong, and it
Speaker 1: like zined all the way up my legs and I
Speaker 1: ran the house and my kids Dad's inside and I'm
Speaker 1: telling them what I'm and I'm like this huge dog
Speaker 1: like saying it's outside, you know. And my lays are
Speaker 1: just like rubber, They're just like wobbly. It's like all
Speaker 1: the adrena was gone, and I lost all of my
Speaker 1: energy at once. I could have like fallen asleep right there.
Speaker 1: And he comes outside and there's nothing out there. Just
Speaker 1: this little white dog runs by and he's got his
Speaker 1: gun and everything. And never saw it again after that.
Speaker 1: But man, the terror of being outside at night after that,
Speaker 1: and then having my kids play outside after that at night,
Speaker 1: even during the day, but especially at night. It was awful.
Speaker 1: It was awful. I never felt safe in my home
Speaker 1: for like five years. It's made me five years to
Speaker 1: feel like okay with the outside again, right outside my home.
Speaker 1: It was so long. But in that moment, I had
Speaker 1: never heard about dog man. I'd never heard it was
Speaker 1: a thing. But when I was telling people about it,
Speaker 1: I would kind of choose wisely how I described it
Speaker 1: to my paramol friends. I'd be like, dude, that's how
Speaker 1: it was all werewolf that was you though, Like that
Speaker 1: was what I described as it was a werewealth in
Speaker 1: my head. But for so long I had my kid's dad,
Speaker 1: I'd be staying at Restore no look and see what
Speaker 1: this type of miss look look and see what if
Speaker 1: you if you missed like a huge black wolf with this,
Speaker 1: and what it would look like. Just having in Google
Speaker 1: all these images constantly for probably a good year, I
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out what I saw. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and then this probably way later, uh maybe like six
Speaker 1: seven years after I saw that thing I heard learned
Speaker 1: about dog Man. Took me so long to learn about
Speaker 1: dog man after seeing one. But it was weird because
Speaker 1: after I learned about dog me and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I can go back and see if there was
Speaker 1: any other sightings like this reported. And of course dog
Speaker 1: man is still pretty taboos, so there's not really a
Speaker 1: very good place to report it to, especially then. And
Speaker 1: but what I did discover when I was looking to
Speaker 1: see about dog band sightings in that area then was
Speaker 1: that there was a ramp up in bigfoot sightings in
Speaker 1: that area around that same time.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 1: So don't know the connection there, but I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting enough to say, oh, you know that's yes,
Speaker 1: that's curious. Yeah, it was the only CRYPTI I've ever
Speaker 1: ever ever seen where I no doubt know what I saw.
Speaker 1: I can describe even the hair type, like I saw
Speaker 1: it for so long and so close.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a terrifying story. Yeah, that's freaky because
Speaker 4: like I mean, you know, wearls have always been that
Speaker 4: one monster that's like, yeah, I don't want to even
Speaker 4: go down that path, like I don't want to see one.
Speaker 4: I don't want them to be real. And with all
Speaker 4: the dog man stuff. I mean, whenever I was growing up,
Speaker 4: we would have called that a werewolf. So that's kind
Speaker 4: of where.
Speaker 1: I man, yeah, exactly, and you know, yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was terrifying. And I still hesitate because
Speaker 1: there's friends of buying who wanted to go out researching
Speaker 1: and like the you know, the Land of the Lakes
Speaker 1: and you know those areas where I'm like, I'm hesitant
Speaker 1: to go to those places because of my own personal experience,
Speaker 1: even though in that moment, I didn't feel like it
Speaker 1: actually wanted to get me. I think my terror stems
Speaker 1: mostly from this is an insane creature that is coming
Speaker 1: at me and the unsurety of not knowing what it
Speaker 1: would do and what it was capable. But to me,
Speaker 1: it almost seems like it was sick and it was
Speaker 1: trying to go somewhere to die. That's the ceiling I got,
Speaker 1: because it looked a little sickly, the way it was crawling,
Speaker 1: the way it was so nonchalant, like it didn't seem
Speaker 1: like it wanted to like grab me, me off and
Speaker 1: carry my away. And even though that's what my mind
Speaker 1: was telling me in the moment, but I still hesitate
Speaker 1: to go to his places because I'm like, I know
Speaker 1: those things are real, Do I really want to go
Speaker 1: do this? And all the bad stories that people tell
Speaker 1: about it, I'm like, well, if that's really how they are,
Speaker 1: and I've seen one and I know that they exist,
Speaker 1: do I really want to go out and research these things?
Speaker 1: And I mean the people that hash out of them
Speaker 1: talk about how it doesn't affect them or maybe they
Speaker 1: don't even penetrate their skin, and I'm like, how are
Speaker 1: you supposed to protect yourself?
Speaker 4: Yeah, whenever you say it was kind of like belly crawling.
Speaker 4: Was its movements like a person crawling or like a
Speaker 4: dog crawling.
Speaker 6: It was like a dog crawling almost, but it's belly
Speaker 6: didn't actually rub the ground because again it had that
Speaker 6: weird sort of din to its legs.
Speaker 1: Where it was able to, like if you were to
Speaker 1: compare it to a person their forearms, like they were
Speaker 1: on their forearms. It was on his forearms, but it
Speaker 1: was not quite touching the ground. It was just like
Speaker 1: not standing up all the way. But you know, it
Speaker 1: was just it just had this weird din and I
Speaker 1: noticed it mostly in the back leg The back legs
Speaker 1: were very oddly bent. It almost made like a half
Speaker 1: square or like a three quarter square almost the way
Speaker 1: it was dent.
Speaker 4: What was the muzzle shape like if you had to
Speaker 4: compare it to a dog or another.
Speaker 1: Animal, a wolf, very wolf like, but a little bit shorter.
Speaker 1: Which is why I kind of felt like it had
Speaker 1: like a bare attribute was because the muzzle was very
Speaker 1: wolf like, but blow was shorter. Its ears were perky.
Speaker 1: It had like a tufty type of mane.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's scary, that's scary, Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty intense and I really thought I was
Speaker 1: gonna die. I was playing all these sitting grays in
Speaker 1: my head as it was coming over with me and
Speaker 1: I was like, nobody's out here, nobody's gonna know I
Speaker 1: died from this thing, just gonna think I was missing.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking it was gonna like just mall
Speaker 1: me to pieces right there, drag me all somewhere and
Speaker 1: know you would know what happened to me. But you know, again,
Speaker 1: I think when you're staring at something coming at you
Speaker 1: that is so massive and you don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: so you don't know like it's behavior pattern or what
Speaker 1: is capable of, that was where my fear I think
Speaker 1: stemmed from. Mostly, yeah, it was horrifying.
Speaker 4: So tell me about the Fold Mysteries.
Speaker 1: So the Full Mysteries has been around for a while.
Speaker 1: It's just a kind of a group name that I,
Speaker 1: you know, wanted to to attach a name to me
Speaker 1: and other fellow researchers that you know come in and
Speaker 1: and research with me. So that's that's how it was born,
Speaker 1: you know, I was born to just have a group
Speaker 1: name to attach to the things that I do. And
Speaker 1: but it's it's mostly me and other fellow researchers. I mean,
Speaker 1: Abe del Rio is a part of the Full Mysteries.
Speaker 1: Chad Datama is a part of the Fuld mysteries. I've
Speaker 1: had other researchers involved, and Adam Davis is you know,
Speaker 1: kind of helped co found the Full Mysteries, which he's
Speaker 1: not a part of it anymore, but you know he
Speaker 1: helped birth that whole project and it turned into a podcast.
Speaker 1: So I enjoys talking with any type of researchers, whether
Speaker 1: it be UFO, Bigfoot, ghosts. I mean, we'll dive into everything,
Speaker 1: Gnolme's fairies, folklore. I mean, we even did an AI
Speaker 1: show at one point, so anything that's very unique and
Speaker 1: mysterious we'll talk about on that show. So that's our podcast,
Speaker 1: and it's on YouTube and west have a Facebook page
Speaker 1: and it airs every Thursday at seven pm live. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of fun to get in there and join
Speaker 1: in on a live chat and get to ask questions
Speaker 1: in the moment. But then you know, it's always out there.
Speaker 1: All of our previous episodes are there, so we're about
Speaker 1: I think thirty episodes in if I'm guessing roughly. So
Speaker 1: it's a relatively new podcast, but the group has been
Speaker 1: there for a while, and I mean we have merch
Speaker 1: and everything else like that, and we even have a
Speaker 1: The Fuldnesssteries Presents Irons, Michigan visa conference that's a long
Speaker 1: name and it's coming up August fifteenth and sixteenth. Tickets
Speaker 1: are on sale. Vender spots are still available, but they're
Speaker 1: they're going quick. So you know, I always urge people
Speaker 1: get on the Facebook page and there's a QR code
Speaker 1: and a link there, so however you want to do it,
Speaker 1: and you can jump on there and get tickets to
Speaker 1: the one or two day session. So we plan on
Speaker 1: having at the very festival like conference. You know, want
Speaker 1: it very family oriented. We're going to have like a
Speaker 1: kid's corner and activities for kids to do. We want
Speaker 1: to really you know, push to help the local businesses.
Speaker 1: So we're not really selling a lot of food and
Speaker 1: drink there except for the necessities like water and maybe
Speaker 1: some chips. But we want to you know, have everybody
Speaker 1: come and check out all the local spots and eat there.
Speaker 1: So we're working closely with the community there in Irons
Speaker 1: to get it together and figure out how we can
Speaker 1: make it benefit the community. So it's gonna be a fun, fun,
Speaker 1: fun event. Obviously, it's I'm nervous because it's the base.
Speaker 1: It's going to be three years running, so last year
Speaker 1: and this year it's presented by the Fold series. Year
Speaker 1: prior to that, it was presented by Searching for Sasquatch,
Speaker 1: which is a documentary series by Jason Kinzy. So he
Speaker 1: kind of started it and I picked it up when
Speaker 1: he couldn't do it last year. So continue on this year, And.
Speaker 4: Do you have like speakers lined up or how's that
Speaker 4: going to go?
Speaker 1: We do? We do. We have some really great speakers.
Speaker 1: You have Gina and I always murder her last name
Speaker 1: gas splitstatser? What Gina split Statser? I can never remember
Speaker 1: how to say her last name. Yeah, So we got
Speaker 1: Robin Haynes, we have Jay Bachochin, Janine Mays, and then
Speaker 1: we have more speakers to be announce So still lying,
Speaker 1: it was great speakers. Where it's gonna be hopefully a
Speaker 1: lot of venders there kind of do kind of flea
Speaker 1: market style. Any vendors welcome, So it's gonna be maybe
Speaker 1: an eclectic group of people to buy from, so that'll
Speaker 1: be kind of neat. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Cool and people can just search the Fold Mysteries for that.
Speaker 4: Where can they find it?
Speaker 1: Yes, So the Full Mysteries on Facebook is where you
Speaker 1: can find the slier link to the tickets and the
Speaker 1: QR code of the tickets. So if you are interested
Speaker 1: in checking out the podcast, that is the full Mysteries
Speaker 1: on YouTube and there's like a podcast playlist if you
Speaker 1: want to listen to it from latest to oldest and
Speaker 1: then you know you could choose yes shorts on there
Speaker 1: if you want to check out and preview which ones
Speaker 1: do you want to watch? So?
Speaker 4: Yeah, awesome. And if someone wants to reach you directly,
Speaker 4: how can they do that?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 1: You look me up Gwendolin Guffrie on Facebook. Just be
Speaker 1: very patient with me. I do a lot, so it
Speaker 1: does take me a little bit of time to see
Speaker 1: all of my messages. Also, if we're not friends, it
Speaker 1: since sometimes it'll shoot it off to this weird folder
Speaker 1: that I have to open up to actually see the
Speaker 1: name of a message. Me. Don't know why it does that,
Speaker 1: but every now and again I'll open that up and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, a couple of people message me about sighting,
Speaker 1: so I'll have to go through those. But I do
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm in school still, I got a lot
Speaker 1: of trips planned coming up. The conference we're planing out.
Speaker 1: I'm also seeing income a household, so you know, I
Speaker 1: got my son still at home that I'm you know, raising,
Speaker 1: I'm very busy and I work full time as well,
Speaker 1: so just be patient with me. I try to respond
Speaker 1: everybody as soon as they message me, as soon as
Speaker 1: I can. So if you message me and I don't respond,
Speaker 1: shoot me, you know the message, just to top that
Speaker 1: message back to the topic. And so I can see
Speaker 1: that you said something, I missed it.
Speaker 4: Well, first, let me say it sounds like you're a
Speaker 4: badass and uh happy late mother. It sounds like you
Speaker 4: certainly deserved a good mother's day. I hope you had
Speaker 4: a good one. Thanks for coming on, Gwennollan. I really
Speaker 4: enjoyed it. I'm glad we hooked up. I'm glad we're
Speaker 4: now Facebook friends. Like I said, we've got tons of
Speaker 4: mutual friends. We know a lot of the same people.
Speaker 4: And yeah, you're awesome. I look forward to future conversations.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It was just a wonderful conversation
Speaker 1: with you. And yeah, maybe someday you could jump onto
Speaker 1: our podcast and Abe and I can, you know, give
Speaker 1: you a series of questions because I could totally dig
Speaker 1: into your history and your paranormal stuff and your bigfoot stuff.
Speaker 4: So oh yeah, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 1: All right, sounds good. Thank you again for having me on.
Speaker 4: And if you've had an experience with Bigfoot, dog Man
Speaker 4: or something else you can't explain you'd like to share
Speaker 4: your story on the podcast, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads
Speaker 4: at gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com.
Speaker 4: You can find links to social media, past episodes, merchandise,
Speaker 4: everything need, all in one place. And until next time,
Speaker 4: I remember there's something in the woods.