WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.840 Oh, I really thought I was gonna die. I was 2 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:04.120 playing all these sitting grays in my head as it 3 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:06.360 was coming over with me, and I was like, nobody's 4 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:09.560 out here, nobody gonna know I died from this thing, 5 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:11.320 just gonna think I was missing. And I was thinking 6 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:14.199 it was gonna like just mall me to pieces right there, 7 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:17.440 or drag me off somewhere and know you would know 8 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:20.519 what happened to me. But you know, again, I think 9 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:23.800 when you're staring at something coming at you that is 10 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:26.879 so massive and you don't know what it is, so 11 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:29.679 you don't know like it's behavior pattern or what is 12 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:34.200 capable of. That was where my fear I think sunned from. Mostly. 13 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:59.359 Yeah, it was horrifying. 14 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:13.000 Yeah, So I'll tell you a little bit about my background. 15 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:17.159 So I initially started in paranormal. So that was my 16 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:19.680 forte and that was because I had just a lot 17 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.519 of crazy experiences at home that I just really wanted 18 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:27.319 to understand, so you know, and I was always drawing 19 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:31.040 the mystery anyway, so I would actually I started researching 20 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:34.079 the paranormal when I was probably about twelve or thirteen, 21 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:39.120 and you know, just going into old abandoned houses and 22 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:41.840 I call it pre kin researching, but you know, I 23 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:45.280 was really you know, looking for stuff. So that's kind 24 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:46.879 of where it all started for me. And then I 25 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:49.760 would always watch you know, all the old g shows 26 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:55.799 like monster quests, loss tapes, ancient mysteries. That's that I loved, 27 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:59.760 all the mysteries. I loved the lock past, Bigfoot, all 28 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:03.239 the cryptis, you could think of anything strange and mysterious. 29 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:08.199 I was watching on TV and it took quite a 30 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:11.240 long time and quite a few shows that I watched 31 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:14.840 to realize like, oh hey, Basewo is not just in 32 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:18.879 other countries, He's in the US as well. So from 33 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:22.960 from there, I just you know started looking into Bigfoot 34 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.719 in the US and reading a lot more books. And 35 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:30.520 at this point there was not really much online research available, 36 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:34.120 so when I did research online, it was always the 37 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:36.879 library where had access to the internet. But I checked 38 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:42.080 out probably every single Cryptid, Monster, day Foot book that 39 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:45.080 I could find. And then when the library started on 40 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:48.000 where you could like order a book from another library, 41 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:51.919 I did all those too. I ordered them all from 42 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.879 other libraries and you know checked him out from there. 43 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:58.520 And I mean I've read so many of the order 44 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:02.280 Bigfoot and monster books because that was the only way 45 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:07.639 you could research then. And then I was talking to 46 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:08.599 her friend and she was. 47 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:10.159 Like, oh yeah, I got like a friend that's a 48 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:13.800 Facebook research and I was like, wait, really, it's like 49 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:15.360 to just go out there in the woods and they 50 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:18.240 just look it's like, oh yeah, he does it like 51 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:21.840 every weekend. And I was like, I could totally do that. 52 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.479 So then I started actually going out and doing my 53 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.919 own research from there and just spending just a ton 54 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:31.000 of time out in the woods and just learning from 55 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:33.800 other people like distart text needs and things. 56 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:35.840 I could try. But when I first started, it was 57 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.520 all like, you know, make up my own way sort 58 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:44.719 of thing. So yeah, exactly. But as far as the parallel, 59 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:49.360 I've been researching that for probably about twenty eight years, 60 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:53.439 and then the big Floot portion probably about fifteen years. 61 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:53.800 Wow. 62 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:57.439 So yeah, so I've been doing it a long time. 63 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:00.120 And it was like probably like seven years ago. So 64 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:03.159 I went to my first Bigfoot conference and I was 65 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:06.439 just in all of all these people that come together 66 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:09.120 and congregate and talk about the same things that I'm 67 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:11.520 interested in, and I was just hooked. From there, I 68 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.800 just started sending all these big Foot conferences and meeting 69 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.720 people learning from them and it's just blossom from there. 70 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.600 So that's kind of what envied me up and where 71 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:25.360 I'm at now. And I have had so many amazing 72 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:29.199 adventures thanks to so many great people I've gotten to meet, 73 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:32.199 and I just went in trade the process of how 74 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.759 I got going for anything. So oh, it's great, a 75 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:36.319 lot of fun. 76 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:41.319 Where is your line of belief whenever it comes to 77 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:45.079 bigfoot stuff? You know, the flesh and blood versus paranormal 78 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:50.160 is a big dividing point these days. It seems where 79 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:52.279 do you draw the line or do you have a 80 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.439 line drawn at all? 81 00:04:55.480 --> 00:05:01.959 I do mentally draw a line for myself, but I'm 82 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:06.560 open to hearing everybody's ideas and theories, you know. That's 83 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:10.519 how I learned was from everyone else and their research 84 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:15.160 and my own obviously in the later years, but I 85 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.240 always I'm more than happy it's and open to listen 86 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:21.360 to other people's serious ideas. But for me personally, I've 87 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:25.519 kind of settled on the idea that bigfoot is flesh 88 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:30.399 and blood, but there is paranormal like aspects to bigfoot 89 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.920 that we don't quite understand. And my saying is is 90 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:38.079 there's science behind it, but it's just science that we 91 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:42.399 don't understand yet. And you know, I do think that 92 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:47.279 there is but possibility that Bigfoot is able to camouflage, 93 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.439 you know, but we don't understand why that could possibly 94 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:52.959 be or how he can do it because we've never 95 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:55.920 had the opportunity to study him that in depth, to 96 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.160 study them rather in debt. So I do think there 97 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.399 are paraormal aspects to Bigfoot involved, but we just don't 98 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:09.360 understand how they're able to do those things now. I 99 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:13.920 do think that in a lot of situations where you 100 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:23.079 get these very paranormal esque type incidents is when there 101 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:26.360 could be other things involved. So I don't know if 102 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:30.439 you've heard or researched Taulpa's at all, but I've done 103 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.199 a lot of research into Taupa's and those are basically 104 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:36.079 thought forms. Now, people who are very much in a 105 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:39.680 big Foot and never research paranormal they're like, this is 106 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:44.120 a wild idea. But I think that there are potentially 107 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:50.519 pulpa esque type beings that are taking on the attributes 108 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:55.560 of a bigfoot and making us believe that there's a bigfoot, 109 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.480 but it's not really a bigfoot. And I think that's 110 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.560 in those situations where you get a very parormal, weird 111 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:05.279 sort of things, you know, bigfoot coming through your wall 112 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.839 and messing with you and your sleeping type situation. I 113 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:12.120 don't think that bigfoot can actually walk through walls. I 114 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:16.199 think that is a mistaken identity of something else that 115 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:17.079 person is healing. 116 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.560 I was just talking to somebody about that the other day. Actually, 117 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:27.480 that's kind of crazy, the idea of sometimes you're crossing 118 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:31.759 paths with things that present themselves as what you are 119 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:34.839 intending to find. So if you're out there looking for bigfoot, 120 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:38.040 it shows itself as a bigfoot. If you're looking for aliens, 121 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:40.879 it's going to show up as an alien, and you 122 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.879 may not always be dealing with what you actually think 123 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:44.639 you're dealing with. 124 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:49.680 Yeah, exactly one hundred. And that's where my kind of 125 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.000 belief is that big floods flesh and blood does very 126 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:58.399 paranormals like things that they're able to do, but they're 127 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.079 flesh and blood, and then there's this other sort of 128 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.160 bag of things going on that I think are a 129 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:08.040 mistaken identity that they're confusing for bigfoot. So yeah, that's 130 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:12.279 that's where my belief is now. It you know, maybe controversial, 131 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:16.160 but it is a ball of controversial stuff anyway. 132 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:22.279 Right, at what point did the switch flip for you 133 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:26.720 personally where you came to the realization that, oh, Bigfoot's 134 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.199 real it exists. 135 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.240 I had always had this idea in the back of 136 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:32.360 my head, I'm out here chasing nothing, but this is 137 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:36.120 fun because I hadn't had a really close encounter at 138 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:39.120 that point. It was many years before I ever had one, 139 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:42.600 probably like eight years before I had my real first 140 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.879 close encounter bigfoot experience, and even then I didn't see it. 141 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:49.000 But it's solidified things for me. But I don't know 142 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.840 if you've ever heard of the show's Tearing the Woods. Yeah, so, yeah, 143 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:57.039 so my experience was featured on that show, obviously television. 144 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:00.519 They twisted it and changed it a little bit. They 145 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:05.200 really did well sticking to the chain of events that 146 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:07.679 led up to it, but then they added like us 147 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.200 seeing big slit and chasing us and us running like 148 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.639 none of that ever happened. So and they showed me 149 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.600 like cowering down the ground and like holding covering and 150 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.519 like houlding my head and being scared. That's they took 151 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:23.639 a part of my story that I was telling them 152 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:28.120 and twisted into that situation. I never Cower. I never run. 153 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:29.960 I never do any of that. Like I've been doing 154 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.399 this so long, it's that's what I'm out there for. 155 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:34.240 It they started to happen, I'm not running from it. 156 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:37.960 So but it was probably eight years after I started 157 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:41.120 researching fits. But I went out with a friend of mine, Mike, 158 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:43.720 And while we were out there, we were just kind 159 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:47.240 of doing a big foot walk, you know, showing people 160 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:49.519 to look forward and things like that, how to do 161 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:53.960 digtook calls and you know, what rock clocks and whatnots were. 162 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:57.360 And while we were up there, we have a halfway 163 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:00.799 up in brew At Kentucky and and so it's all 164 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.320 that very mountainous area. So we got a halfway up 165 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:06.159 the mountain and they were like, yeah, they were mostly college, 166 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:08.159 but we're gonna go party. We're gonna get have fun. 167 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:11.039 And so they took off and it was just one 168 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:13.120 of the persons, which was a friend of both Mike 169 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:16.440 and I. His name was Kenny, and we decided we're 170 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:17.639 going to go the rest of the way up. You know, 171 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:20.200 this is a beautiful area. I want to see the scenery. 172 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.000 So we went up and we were looking at this outcropping, 173 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.360 this beautiful valley and the sun was setting and we 174 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:29.720 kind of got caught up in the sunset and we wereized, Okay, 175 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:31.879 it's going to get darker Kidney Woods and it is 176 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:35.399 out here faster. So we were like, we got to 177 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:37.879 get back down. You know, we got probably a good 178 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.320 twee minute hiked down in front of us, and it's 179 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:41.679 going to be dark before we can get all the 180 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:45.080 way down. So we had to kind of take the 181 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:49.120 more dangerous way, which was you know, off I think 182 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:52.120 it was the west side, and it was very rocky. 183 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.840 There were crevices that went down probably thirty feet. You 184 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:59.240 had to watch your footing, and it was just started 185 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.840 to getting damp. The dew was starting to settle on everything. 186 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.480 We're sliding on the rocks and we had three slash 187 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.600 lights that Kenny just happened to bring with him and 188 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.799 two of them were broken and they all know it worked. 189 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:14.159 Didn't go out strap on your head properly, so alter 190 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:15.559 even we're broken in some way. 191 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:17.600 So you guys were well prepared. 192 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:21.320 That's how the best things to happen, because you're on 193 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:24.000 prepared and you don't you know, like you're not ready 194 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.159 to attached for anything. But we were like we only 195 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:30.120 went there for a day trip. We didn't intend on 196 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:32.399 staying that late, but it was we got caught up. 197 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:36.399 So we started heading down and as we're sliding down 198 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:38.799 these rocks and we're going roal slow and crouching and 199 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:40.759 make sure we're not falling down these crevices where you 200 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:44.919 can't see onto yourrotto top of it, and we're coming 201 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:47.960 down and we hear something sliding down the rocks behind us, 202 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.320 and Michael was the first one I heard it, and 203 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:54.080 he's like, hold on, He's like, I think it's heard something. 204 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.080 And then we dell of this further and I hear it, 205 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:58.759 and then at that point he didn't hear it. I 206 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:00.799 don't think. And then it was just like we all 207 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.279 started hearing it more and more as we're coming down 208 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.840 these rocks, something sliding down these rocks behind us, and 209 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:10.159 it was probably about, I don't know, twenty feet above us. 210 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:13.399 It wasn't very far away. And we got down to 211 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:17.519 regular ground rather than rocky crevices. We had down to 212 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.960 regular ground where it was dirt, and we're standing there 213 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:26.159 for a minute and Mike's like, does this loop. Nothing responds, 214 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:27.840 and then he looks at me. He goes, why do 215 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.320 you do girly whoop? And I'm thinking, what is early woop? 216 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.200 I have no idea what a girl who's supposed to 217 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.360 sound like? But okay, I'm good to stot. So you know, 218 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:39.799 I did a higher pitch and not as long, and 219 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.480 we got a response. That was the first response I'd 220 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:47.399 ever gotten from any move I've ever done. And immediately 221 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:49.840 it's excitement that just like starts flowing through the I'm like, 222 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.279 oh my gosh, you know, this is wild, this is awesome. 223 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:56.000 So he's like, I think we need to get back down. 224 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.000 Mike says, I think we need to get back down 225 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:00.879 to a little bit level ground where we have to 226 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:05.559 get out quickly. We can do it more safely. And 227 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:08.240 at this point, Kenny's already starting to get nervous because 228 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:11.360 he had never been out in a bigfoot area before. 229 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.159 This was just something he thought. He was a big 230 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:15.399 foot enthusiast. He never researched, he'd never been out in 231 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:21.080 an area. So we go down a little further and 232 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:25.279 then we start doing, you know, more of a full investigation. 233 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:27.480 We're getting our tools out that we have with us, 234 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:31.159 We're starting to do a YouTube lib and you know, 235 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.799 I thought it was a great idea because YouTube libe 236 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:39.200 once any times I've had my footage white at paranormal locations, 237 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.840 so I'm thinking, if this is recorded live, it's something 238 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:42.759 that can't get white. 239 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:43.159 Yea. 240 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:49.639 So Mike's doing his first his phone dies really quickly, 241 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:54.480 which was strange, and then I pulled mine out and 242 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:57.399 I didn't know it, but probably about sevenments and the 243 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:01.840 splittest starts getting very weird, and at one point I 244 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:04.080 crouched down. This was the part where they showed me 245 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:08.360 crouching down the TV show acting scared. But at one 246 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:11.759 point I crouched down and I put pheromones. It's like 247 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:14.759 not really pheromones, but it's like perfume that's supposed to 248 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:17.320 bring out air natural pheromone. And I'm like, yeah, you know, 249 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:19.440 I cares with me. Couldn't hurt. So I put it on. 250 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:24.399 And as the night goes on, we're getting we're getting 251 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.559 called back to, we're hearing growls, We're hearing these things 252 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.679 move closer and closer and closer into us, into where 253 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.639 we are, and the whole time Kenny is getting more 254 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:37.960 and more and more nervous. And at one point Mike 255 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:39.879 listened because we got to get Kenny to the car. 256 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:42.039 I look up at Kenny because I was entrance in 257 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:44.480 the moment, I never paid attention to him. He is 258 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:51.279 ghostly white. He is sweating profusely, and he's like complaining 259 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:55.039 about his heart. So like I'm like okay. I'm like, okay, 260 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:57.919 you go heit Kenny down to the car, come back 261 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:01.480 and meet me. I'll wait right here. And he goes, no, 262 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:04.279 I'm not leading you. You have to come with me, 263 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.519 and said no, we're getting stuff. This is why we're here. 264 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:09.639 And I'm like not leaving. I don't want to go, 265 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:12.480 and he was like, come on, we really gotta go. 266 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:14.879 And he reaches up and he grabs my elbow and 267 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:18.639 he goes to like gently pull me, you know, away 268 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:21.200 from the area that we're in. And not even the 269 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:24.159 second after he grabbed my arm, you just hear like 270 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.679 this doom boom boom, boom boom, and it's charging us 271 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:32.279 from up above us. And I am between that thing 272 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:37.399 and the guys behind me, so I'm between them. So 273 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.720 immediately I go hunker down and I'm like, get in 274 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:44.120 a defensive position. I'm not a threat, not here a 275 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:48.200 challenge you type position. And remember We've got these really 276 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:51.559 dim flashlights, so I can't see but maybe three and 277 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.559 a half seat in front of me. So I'm thinking, 278 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:58.159 when this thing gets to the light of my flashlight, 279 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.360 what am I going to have in my face? You know, 280 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:03.879 like what is going to be face to face with me? 281 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:08.639 And it stops literally right outside the flashlight view and 282 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:11.039 it just stops and evering too all the flots That's 283 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:12.919 when we were hearing around us that we're getting closer, 284 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:17.600 closer and closer. They stopped. Everything stopped, and I turn 285 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:20.039 around and at this we're still recording, and I turn 286 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:22.600 out look at a camera and I'm like, Okay, I 287 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.679 think it's time to go. So we're They turn around, 288 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:29.000 they put their back to this thing. I'm like, yeo crazy. 289 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:32.639 They take off walking real slow, and I keep my 290 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:34.840 face to this thing because I'm like, I am not 291 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:37.120 going to be your prey, you know, like the moment 292 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.159 my back get because I'm used to, you know, thinking 293 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.720 wild creature type thing and if I turn my back 294 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:46.440 to you, then that's invitation to come grab me. So 295 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:48.679 I keep my face to it, and I'm backing down 296 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.240 the mountain, looking at them periodically make sure i'm not 297 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:56.279 going off the side, and uh, we get most of 298 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:59.480 the way out on level ground, but we're still in 299 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:04.039 the dirt path area and we're you know, talking excitedly 300 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:06.880 and I can't believe it actually happened. And the next thing, 301 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:11.200 you know, because giant boom, and we all look at 302 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.759 each other and Kenny looks totally faint. He's like, I'm leaving. 303 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:16.759 I'm gone. I'm gone. I look at Mike and I'm like, 304 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:18.640 I don't think we're far enough out. They want us 305 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:20.920 further gone. The whole time we were coming down, we 306 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:24.200 could hear them trailing behind us on each side of us, 307 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:26.799 so we knew what they wanted. They were basically corralling 308 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:32.640 us out. And then another boom and they're like, yeah, okay, 309 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.799 let's let's not piss them off. Let's go out into 310 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.920 the parking lot where our cars are, and let's just 311 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:41.359 talk about it there. Though we were we can deal 312 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.960 them in the cars if they started throwing rocks to us. 313 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:49.160 And we got up to the car, and obviously I'm 314 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.279 trying to process the video because you know, everything's done, 315 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.200 and I lose the video. They whatever happened up there, 316 00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:59.440 It cut the video off around nine minutes and something 317 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.480 which on YouTube, and the only thing you can hear 318 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:05.359 in the entire video is a growl, and it's a 319 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.000 very low growl. And that's kind of when all this 320 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.079 stuff started to happen. And then the video starts getting 321 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:16.000 disrupted somehow and YouTube loses it can't process it. But 322 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:19.079 the moment we hit our feet hit the parking lot, 323 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:21.759 the Black Cat parking lot, all of a sudden, the 324 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.640 whole mountain side just lights up with all these whoops. 325 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:27.880 It's like just auditory, one after the other after the other. 326 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:32.279 And it was like, dear, we're telling the everyone, every 327 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:34.680 big floot on that mountain that we were gone. We 328 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:36.839 were leaving, and it was like a it felt like 329 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:40.240 a victory cry. And it was just one after the other, 330 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.880 up the other, and I'm like processing the video, like 331 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:45.319 I want to start your video. It's not processing. So 332 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:47.160 I'm like, where's our audio recorder? And we can't find 333 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:48.759 out of recorder. What turns out we left it at 334 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:51.000 the hotel and of all this and this and this, 335 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:54.279 and it was just like I didn't want to leave, 336 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:55.880 and he's like, we gotta go, we gotta go. We 337 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:58.319 thoroughly pissed them off. We gotta go, and I'm like, 338 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:01.519 but listen, and it kep's going and kept going. As 339 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:05.680 we're pulling away, we're still hearing it. It was just wild. 340 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.839 And that was the moment where I was like, holy crap, 341 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.839 this thing is fully real. Like I didn't see it, 342 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:15.680 but all of that stuff, like, no wild animal is 343 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:18.960 going to charge. You have a bunch of them stalky 344 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:21.680 down the mountain corrald that takes some serious intelligence. And 345 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:24.200 then all the calls that we were hearing they were 346 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:28.400 bidfoot calls. They were bidfootwoops, and it was just it 347 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:31.839 was unreal and I can't I can't believe. I've never 348 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:34.079 experienced anything like that since. But at the same time, 349 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:38.279 it took me eight years to experience that, so maybe 350 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:41.200 in another few years I'll get to have another really 351 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:42.640 close experience like that. 352 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:47.519 So here's the million dollar question. Why why do you 353 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.839 think they behaved that way in that situation. 354 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:55.319 I mean, place is supposed to close it dark, and 355 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.119 we had permission to be out there as late as 356 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:00.000 we needed to to be done. They cut the game, 357 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:04.079 took him for us. So I think whatever was there, 358 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:08.279 whatever bigfoot were there, knew that that area was supposed 359 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:11.359 to empty out at dark that I feel like that 360 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:13.640 was their moment. That was their time to do with 361 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:19.480 whatever they needed to do, you know, forage, eat, you know, communicate, 362 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:21.559 whatever they need to do. That was their moment, and 363 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:25.359 we were taking away from their moment. Now, originally, when 364 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:29.200 all the footsteps were around us, they were definitely by pedal. 365 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.359 You could hear a step step, that step, you know, 366 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:34.920 you could hear that it was by pedal. I think 367 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:39.319 potentially it those were all juveniles and they were curious, 368 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:42.680 and I think the big one that charged me, I 369 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:45.559 think it was just watching over them in the moment 370 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:51.839 there was a sign of a threatening appearance. When Mike 371 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.480 grab my arm, that was when it had enough. It's like, okay, 372 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:59.440 year leaving this is they're not allowed to witness you 373 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:04.640 or curious anymore. You just grabbed one of your own uniquely, 374 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:08.319 and I think that's what initiated that really chaotic moment. 375 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:11.920 But I think prior to that, those two and iles 376 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:14.440 were very curious and they were allowed to kind of 377 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:17.319 walk around us and check us out. 378 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:24.680 Do you think Kenny was just scared or do you 379 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:28.799 think they were doing something to him? 380 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:32.240 I think I think he was just scared. And the 381 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.960 reason being is because he was very inexperienced as far 382 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:38.119 as even being out in the woods at dark, and 383 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:43.519 he did have some pre existing health conditions. Because even 384 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:46.640 after that, it took us about a year and a 385 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:48.920 half to even be able to get our story out 386 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:51.200 there and for the show to get us on so 387 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:54.759 we could talk about it on the show. Can you 388 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:59.240 refuse to talk about it even with us prior to that? 389 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:02.839 And I've been bringing up and recalling it during the 390 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:07.720 filming he sweated bullets like just the memory of it 391 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.359 brought back so much intense fear for him. So I 392 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:13.720 think in his situation it was it was pure and 393 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:17.880 utter fear. I mean, how close these things were. I 394 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:20.519 mean if you weren't prepared and knowing what you're getting 395 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:24.279 yourself into prior to it and having a passion for it, 396 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:26.720 I think anybody would have been in Kinney's situation as 397 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:27.559 far as fear goes. 398 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:31.880 Yeah, have you returned to that location after that? 399 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:38.039 Yes, I'm trying to think if it was one or 400 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:41.240 two times. I think it was twice, So the first 401 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.680