WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:31.079 Sounds going so far, schemes and anything. 2 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:39.840 Scene. Well, I hope I got you hanging around for 3 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:43.920 the next hour because it's American history on the radio, 4 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:49.920 on the Nightcap and tonight in the Spotlight talking about 5 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:56.359 his great enduring career in radio. It's my friend jim 6 00:00:56.439 --> 00:01:00.159 Lebarbara the music professor. Prophet's so great to have be 7 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:01.759 on the Nightcap again. How are you? 8 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:03.560 Thank you wonderful. I'm doing wonderful. 9 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:05.359 Thank you. Good to have you in the studio too. 10 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:09.920 That that song was one Jimmy pick handpick for this interview. 11 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:13.000 The Skyliner, since I don't have you what what is it? 12 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:15.079 I booked them for a show, my first show in 13 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:17.280 Alleghanty College. I booked them for the first rock and 14 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:19.840 roll show the colleague ever had. And it was the 15 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.640 Skyliners and the pretty girl was Janet Vogel. And I'll 16 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.799 never forget riding back because they rode me back home. 17 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:27.799 I'm going back home to Pittsburgh. Allighanty was in Meadville, Pennsylvania, 18 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:28.799 about a hundred miles away. 19 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:30.159 The band gave you a ride. 20 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:30.400 Band. 21 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:31.920 I rode back with the band and they took me 22 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:34.799 to my house. I got check us see the keys 23 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:37.159 under the mat and Janet Vogel was with us, the 24 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:38.599 pretty girl in the group, and I'll never forget. We 25 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:41.079 stopped at like a diner for a cup of coffee 26 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:43.519 late at night, and she said she was all dressed 27 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.480 up with makeup on, you know, in her dress show dressed. 28 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:48.840 And she said, Jimmy, they think I'm because she was 29 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:50.480 with all the guys. She said, they think I'm one 30 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:52.200 of those ladies, don't they They think I'm one of 31 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.920 those ladies. And she was so depressed. They said, no, Janet, 32 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:57.400 they don't think that. And ironically this song was playing 33 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.920 on the jukebox. It was like so so cereal, so surreal. 34 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.599 Yeah, it's where those connections that we have with music 35 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:08.039 and with people, and it's just because of one or 36 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:10.520 two moments in time like that, you know it, and 37 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:13.520 at last it's imprinted on our brains from that point forward. 38 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.120 And Buddy Holly, Buddy Holly was so big because I 39 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:19.400 was four eyes and I had the horn rim glasses 40 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.319 like Buddy. When I got those Buddy glasses, all of 41 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:24.199 a sudden, I was cool, you know, wearing Buddy Holly glasses, 42 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:25.960 and he was you know, I could sing with Buddy 43 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.639 Holly Records. He was you know, it wasn't like Elvis 44 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.319 or Johnny Mathis. You could sing with Buddy sing. 45 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:33.599 You and I have gone through your breakdown of the 46 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:37.240 great song American Pie by Don McLean. You know that 47 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:41.439 relates to Buddy Holly and so much of you and 48 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:44.680 your life and music going forward. But you were that 49 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.439 paper boy, yeah, and I did. 50 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:49.400 I saw the paper that day and went just like 51 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:52.319 Don McLean, I mean, that's exactly the way I felt. 52 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.800 And well, I was always interested in music. I saw 53 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.000 a movie young Man with a Horn and when I'm 54 00:02:58.000 --> 00:02:59.719 a bought a trump and I was like ten years old, 55 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:03.560 this movie about a trumpet player, and I played the trumpet, 56 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:05.719 and I was very good. Got a scholarship during the 57 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:07.919 summer to studying music at Carnegie Tech. So I was 58 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:10.879 very much involved with music. And I had a tape recorder, 59 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:13.080 this tape recorder that I record some of the stuff. 60 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:16.840 I would do practice in that and then eventually started 61 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:19.719 talking into the tape recorder. My buddy, Ronnie Miller, a 62 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.280 few years older than me, would stop buying and I 63 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.800 would interview him, do fake interviews like he was a 64 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.039 baseball star. And so you hit that home run in 65 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:29.719 that game, What happened that day, you know, and do 66 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.639 these little interviews and they was and listening to the radio, 67 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:35.639 I was like in love with this radio is. I 68 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:37.479 go to bed at night and Bill Stern, a guy 69 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.840 named Bill Stern, did this show, sports talk show, and 70 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:43.319 he would talk about a baseball pitcher and then the 71 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:45.680 kick thing was at the end, was and they only 72 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:49.360 had one arm, and the horse won the race, but 73 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:51.080 the jockey was dead. 74 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:51.840 You know. 75 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.639 It was those stories that were so magnificent. So I 76 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:57.080 was glued to the radio with that, and the rock 77 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.400 and roll thing didn't come around because I'm playing big 78 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:02.599 band music until my buddy Ron He said, Bill Haley's 79 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:04.759 in town. We're going to the Syrium Mosque. So we 80 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:06.840 go to Syria Mosque. I'm like twelve years old, and 81 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:09.719 it's like the biggest rock and roll show ever. Haley's 82 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:12.800 the headliner. Eleven eleven Black's one white. He was the white, 83 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:15.280 and I'm watching the show. Joe Turner gets up and 84 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.319 sings the original Shake right on roll, you know, in 85 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:19.759 the bedroom, and then Haley comes out and a bunch 86 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:21.920 of guys sitting in the back of us, and there 87 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.519 was a great show, Frankie Lyman, the Teenagers, the Platters, 88 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:26.759 everybody was on that show. And the guys in the 89 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:28.639 back of us were cool guys from the North Side 90 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:30.319 section in Pittsburgh. They all get up and they gave 91 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:32.279 him the finger, the number one sign, and they started 92 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:33.360 to walk on and they said, what do you guys? 93 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:35.399 Walk on? He's got the number one record in the country. 94 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:38.319 He said, he ripped off. Joe Turner listened to Porky 95 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.279 the boss Man. I said, Porky, putt you time with Porky, 96 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:44.480 Porky Chadwick, And so I started listening to the boss Man, 97 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:45.720 Porky Chadwick. 98 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:47.040 Where was Porky on it? 99 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:49.639 Porky was on the air, a little rim shot stationed 100 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:54.439 in Homestead. He predated Alan Freed, playing black original music. Yeah, 101 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:57.920 he was like, really the pioneer. And so I started 102 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.800 listening to Porky and Porky and I later had a 103 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:03.279 chance to thank him. He was ninety one years old. 104 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:05.800 We had dinner and I thanked him for influencing me 105 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:08.720 so much because of his honesty on the radio and 106 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:11.319 his truthfulness the way he presented things. They would be 107 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:15.920 Porky be on the air and Judikolovich would call up 108 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:20.319 and she's crying because her boyfriend died. And he went 109 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:22.920 to Porky record hops and she's sitting with her aunt 110 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:26.160 Hilda and though listening to Porky on the radio, and 111 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:29.360 so he dedicates the song to him. You know, it 112 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:31.519 was the Death of an Angel by Donald Woods. There 113 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.040 was a death, a big scream of the angel. The 114 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:38.000 kids died in that fire in nineteen fifty eight, ninety 115 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.439 two children in Chicago fire, Catholic School fire, and Porky's 116 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:43.720 on the radio and he dedicates to them this song. 117 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:46.240 He said, the smoke gets in your eyes. Well, you know, 118 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:49.959 to anybody doing that, that's what are you serious? But 119 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.120 Porky was so sincere, and so I thought, you know, 120 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:56.600 if I ever get in radio, that's I like, but 121 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:59.480 liked but Porky his honesty. But if I ever got 122 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:01.879 in the business, and I wasn't thinking about Clark Race. 123 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.000 Clark Race had a Jaguar, had a TV show, good 124 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.279 looking guy and a lot of pretty girls following him. 125 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.399 And I said, that's if I get in radio, that's 126 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:11.879 what I want to do. And uh, that was the 127 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:13.639 path I was going to take. If I got in radio. 128 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:15.600 So did you ever get the nice car and the girl? 129 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:16.279 Yeah? 130 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.199 I think I did. Yeah, I really did, I really did, 131 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:19.079 I really did. 132 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:19.680 Uh. 133 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:25.079 So what happened was I, Uh, I got hurt playing 134 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.480 baseball and Amazon crushes and uh, all of a sudden, 135 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:30.639 we knew had a dance. There was a girl in Pinky, 136 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:32.240 and I had a big crush on Pinky. She was 137 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:34.480 a major atte and a major rest responsor in a dance. 138 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:38.279 So I knew Pinky didn't have a date. So I 139 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:42.360 called the crew that did the dance. Did the stage crew? 140 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:45.199 They were they'd always play the music, and they said, 141 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:47.600 can you set up? I'll play the music, you know, 142 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:49.120 just set to me? Oh great, great gym. 143 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:49.519 We did that. 144 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:51.800 They had a bunch of forty five's, a little turntable 145 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:54.079 just like walk into the gym and on the corner 146 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:56.839 and the right hand side, little uh little table there 147 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.040 with a little lamp and a forty five record play 148 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:02.519 you know, goes down we're and a microphone and a microphone. 149 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:04.920 So that night Pinky's there and just the way I 150 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:07.959 thought of what happened, Pinky brought me soda, pop and pretzels, 151 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.120 and then I started inducing the records this is for 152 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:15.199 Vince and Mary Lee and still the ninth of five sentence. 153 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.079 And I was doing this and the kids loved it. 154 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:19.480 How old were you at this time? Oh? 155 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:23.639 Maybe fifteen at that's okay, fifteen. And then I also 156 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.199 could break up, but Panthony Cravelli was dancing with Judi 157 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:28.879 Romanovitch and I didn't think that they should be together. 158 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.959 I could put on Chuck Berry's Maybe Lean and break 159 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:33.720 it up. So it's very empowering too. 160 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:37.120 So that was your first term as a disjoge. 161 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:38.720 Yeah, and that all of a sudden, I'm hooked doing 162 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:41.240 this playing music, it dances. And then with the tape 163 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:44.120 recorder I had, I started practicing and introducing records at home. 164 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:46.800 I love this. This is what I have talked about 165 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:52.759 with John Landecker, with Shotgun, Tom Kelly, all of us 166 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.600 seemed to those of us who chose this path for 167 00:07:55.639 --> 00:08:01.639 a career, seemed to in our youth be pretend somehow 168 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.319 I had a stereo system with a stereo microphone, and 169 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:08.399 I was introducing records in my bedroom when I was seventeen. 170 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:11.639 All of that stuff. We all either had our own 171 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:16.639 little radio station, or as you were mentioning, you were 172 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.879 interviewing your friend like he was a great baseball player 173 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:24.199 or something on you on your little tape. So you 174 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.240 were getting training for talk radio, I guess I was, yeah, yes, absolutely. 175 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.800 You can hear Jim Lebarbara on WDJO in the afternoon 176 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:35.399 from two to seven on the weekdays. So I wanted 177 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.720 to mention that he is our guest tonight in American 178 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:42.000 History on the radio on seven hundred WLW station. Jim 179 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.200 is very familiar with not only for our Saturday morning 180 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:50.200 visits we have every weekend rock and roll archaeology, but 181 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.919 a long history on the air at this great legendary 182 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:59.480 radio station. We want to go back to the very 183 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:03.879 very beginnings of your career. What was your first station 184 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:05.600 and where was this? 185 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:08.720 Well, I was going to Alleganton College in Meadville, and 186 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:12.960 so when I went up for the interview, Pennsylvania in Pennsylvania, Meadville, Pennsylvania. 187 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.320 So when I went up for the interview, I stopped 188 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:17.720 at the radio station. I said, I'm going to be 189 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.279 starting here in September. I'm going to college here and 190 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:22.600 I want I want to work on the radio station. 191 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:25.000 And the guy said, well, what background do you have? 192 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:26.080 And I said, well, I had to lead in a 193 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:30.279 senior class play. I had a band MC record hops, 194 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:33.360 did a lot of record hops and MC concerts to 195 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:36.039 the school, and managed a singing group and had a 196 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:39.159 singing group and yeah, I'm looking I'm looking forward to this. 197 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:41.960 So I started school. I go to the radio station 198 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:44.240 and the guy says, we're not going to hire you. 199 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:46.559 We just we don't have any opening. And a kid, 200 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:49.759 Eric Johnson at the station was a town going to Alleghany, 201 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:51.759 a freshman like me, and he said, hold it, hold it, 202 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:54.080 can you hold on for a minute? He said, come 203 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.440 on back. What if you do one hour a week 204 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.279 but you don't get paid? Would you do that and 205 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:01.519 call it a Alleghany college radio show? I said, yeah, 206 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:04.080 So that was it. I was That was it. I 207 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:05.879 went on the air. First thing I went on the air. 208 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:07.879 My kids in the dorm went crazy. You know, it 209 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:09.000 was really sensational. 210 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:09.480 I was a star. 211 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:11.960 They put a big star on my door started calling 212 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.039 you the voice, and I thought, man, this is it. 213 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:17.600 Third show I was on, I played Teach Me Tiger 214 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.360 by April Stevens. It was a record that had some 215 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.360 heavy breathing in it, and the astronauts ended up using 216 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.679 it on on the Space programs. Next day I get 217 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:28.679 to call I'm fired fired, So I lost. 218 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:31.159 Me Tiger. 219 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.639 But then that summer I got a job working in 220 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:36.320 the Pollo, Pennsylvania Religious station, just for. 221 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:37.120 Like two three weeks. 222 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.799 What year is this, we're looking at nineteen probably in 223 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:44.000 nineteen sixty one one, sixteen one now, and uh they 224 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:46.440 had mixed my resume up because and I would do 225 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:49.360 there would be releases Billy Billy, Joe Hargas and these 226 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:53.279 different religious programs. But before that, between six and six fifteen, 227 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:57.159 I could play records, so I for yeah, so but 228 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:00.000 I would I would do, here's Caddy for Incis, Here's 229 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.799 America's Princess of Song, Cottie Francis and blessless House or 230 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:05.639 his Elvis and how great that are? 231 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:05.879 You know? 232 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.799 So I did that and the owner of the station said, Jim, 233 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:10.759 you really don't have to introduce the records, but said 234 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:13.639 that's okay if you want. So that was that was it, 235 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.519 and then the and then what happened was, uh, during 236 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:20.639 that during the summer, Joni Summers had a record called 237 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:23.720 Johnny Get Angry, Big Record, number one record. And I 238 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:25.879 had this tape recorder and I called my buddy Henry, 239 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.080 because I didn't have a call as Henry tump, I said, 240 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:30.240 let's go see Jonie Summers. I called up at the 241 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:32.480 club and I said, dumb a disc jockey. I would 242 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:34.600 like to interview her from my radio show. Oh, come 243 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:36.639 on down. So I went to the show, We saw 244 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:38.559 the show, went to her dressing room. She has this 245 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:40.919 little robe on, cute as could mean. She's about the 246 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:43.320 same age. She got a number one hit record, and 247 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.840 I knew about because Clark Gray said, she doesn't have 248 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.879 a boyfriend guy on radio, and she's got a big 249 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.559 hit record. So she treated me like I was a 250 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:54.039 big star disc jockey. And that was it. On the 251 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.080 way we'll leave, And when we left that night, I 252 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:58.440 said that Henry, I said, I think I'm going to 253 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:00.320 be a disc jockey. I think I'm I'm going to 254 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.799 be a disc jockey. And ironically, over all these years, 255 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:05.639 I've never seen her again. But that was and I 256 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.440 don't remember the interview, but I just remember how nice 257 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:10.879 she was to us. And then the next year, during 258 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:14.919 the summer, there was a station in Titusville WTIV and 259 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.399 there was a loping there and is Eric Johnson again 260 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:20.720 called and the guy hired me so for the whole summer, 261 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.639 and I was jimmy holiday because and every day's a 262 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:25.960 whole day with holiday, and I was on midday. But 263 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.360 they quickly moved me after one week the afternoon drive 264 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.360 and I was there, and I mean it was a 265 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:33.639 very interesting time I got. The first night I was there, 266 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:35.840 I spent the night in jail because I went to 267 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.919 the radio station. It was a daytimer, and I didn't 268 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:41.240 know how to work any equipment, so but we were daytimers, 269 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:42.960 so I could practice the equipment. I had a que 270 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:44.240 records up and do all this. 271 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:46.840 This is something that a lot of people don't understand, 272 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.039 especially now when they're trying to get rid of AM 273 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.000 radio and all the ridiculous machinations of the technology has 274 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:57.559 evolved to this point. But Jim, a lot of people 275 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:01.000 don't understand that a lot of AM radiosations would sign 276 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.279 on when the sun came up and sign off when 277 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.919 the sun went down. The daytime er, so please go ahead. 278 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:08.639 So I met the station and it was like two 279 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:11.279 o'clock in the morning. So I was staying at the YMCA, 280 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.720 and I couldn't get in YMC. It was locked, So 281 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.559 I pulled down the stairs. You know, there's stairs on 282 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.360 the sign. So I pulled down the ladder to go up, 283 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:19.759 and I'm climbing up and all of a sudden, the 284 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:22.399 cops have a big light on me. The thing's going. 285 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.080 I came down, I introduced myself and I said I 286 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:27.759 need I'm dead tired, and they said, well, we have 287 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:29.279 a bed if you want to sleep, you know. So 288 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:33.360 I slept in the jail cell. The door open for you. Yeah, 289 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:34.840 And then the next day I was there and then 290 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:37.519 ended up living in a place where I had two 291 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.200 meals a day of this shady the Shading Lane Retirement 292 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:48.039 Community house. And you're old, yeah, about nineteen eighteen years old. 293 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:52.440 That was That was a big, big thing for me. 294 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.759 And then went back to school, finished up my senior 295 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:59.679 year and was thinking about radio and at that point, 296 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:01.799 the call each other radio station. So I had a 297 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:06.279 one one night show and my girlfriend went to another college. 298 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:08.639 Uh she you know, because I was going to be 299 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:11.360 a minister and I had this grad scholarship, all set 300 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:14.039 to go to Boston University, and she broke up with me, 301 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:15.639 and I said, well, no, I'm not I'm just getting 302 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.639 this out of my system. So then what happened. I went, 303 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.960 I had this tape from from Titusville, so I took it. 304 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:25.559 Katie Ka the All Night Guy, Randy Holsburg. Yeah, Katie 305 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:29.200 K a big giant radio station. Randy Hall was leaving 306 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.000 Katie k Is All Night Show to go to Cleveland. 307 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:35.240 Well there was a girl I met, uh during probably 308 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:39.120 my sophomore year. My freshman year. Between freshman and sophomore, 309 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.559 I was selling books on the telephone, you know, calling 310 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:46.679 people and well you know so, and she said to me, 311 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:48.279 this lady, this girl says to me, you have a 312 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.120 wonderful voice. You should be in radio. And they said, 313 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:52.200 well that's what I want to do. It turned out 314 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:56.200 she's yeo Anne Louke, Christie's cousin, and we became friends. 315 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.320 The singer had Lightning strikes and IRS records, so we 316 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.639 became friends and I kept in contact with her and 317 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.320 she said, well, come on down, I'll introduce you to 318 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.639 Randy Hall. So wait a date and went to see 319 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:11.320 Randy and Randy listened to my tapes The All Night Guy. 320 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:13.720 He said, well, I'm not the program director. Being said, 321 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.600 they hired him out of Penn State. He said, I 322 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:18.480 don't think they're going to hire another kid. He said, 323 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:19.840 I don't think they're gonna do that. I think there's 324 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.200 a guy from Chicago, was an older guy, and that's 325 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.360 who they eventually hired. But he said, look, he said, 326 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.279 I came from Do Boys, w CD and New Boys, 327 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:29.960 a good little radio station. If you want, you can 328 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.519 work there tomorrow. So he set it up. I called, Nick, called, 329 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.840 and I went up there and tried on the air 330 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:40.440 one night, the weekend thing. And then when I graduated, 331 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.440 I went there just I still had the Boston Scholarship 332 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:45.240 the Boston University, and I was going to get this 333 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:49.960 out of my system. And that never happened. I just 334 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:51.120 ended up staying in the radio. 335 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:54.960 Well it didn't work well for you. Let's see, as 336 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.320 we closed this half hour, Jim Lebarbara, the music professor 337 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:03.320 on American history on the radio, if we can see 338 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:13.759 if I can get fired for playing teach me, teach 339 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:23.000 me tighters. Oh that's worse than Madonna stuff. I understand 340 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:28.960 why you got fired, Jimmy More would Jim Lebarbara on 341 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:34.799 the Nightcap. In moments after the news break on seven 342 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.519 l W teach me. 343 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:42.360 We'll hear the radio ads about the I R s. 344 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:44.720 They tell you to be afraid, to be scared, and 345 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:46.919 they try to frighten you into calling I'm not here 346 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:48.279 to do that tax relief. 347 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:57.799 Ohad Beyond the. 348 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:02.000 Drags American his free on the radio on a Monday 349 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:07.519 night cat on seven hundred w l W Gary Jeff 350 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:12.400 Walker with Jim Lebarbara, my friend the music professor. When 351 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:17.279 we broke for the news, you had just landed that first, big, 352 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:19.279 big job in du Boys. 353 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.519 The Voice, Pennsylvania. I was doing a split shift and 354 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:24.400 I had my big tape recorder and listen to what 355 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.440 I was doing, and once again a lady enters my life. 356 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:30.400 I mentioned Pinky with that that record hop, and Pinky 357 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:32.519 and I ended up going to the junior prom together, 358 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.079 you know. So it was like walking the old guys 359 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:36.759 always trying to be with a girl. I mentioned Jonie Summers, 360 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:39.480 who after interviewing her, I got to get into radio. Man, 361 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:41.279 this beautiful girl. You kidding me? This is what the 362 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:44.359 business is all about. So I'm on the radio and 363 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:46.279 I'm not hearing anything in my you know, I'm not 364 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:47.640 hearing what I want to hear. I want to hear 365 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:50.359 this one on one, this voice that I'm communicating. That's 366 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:53.640 what I wanted to be this communicator. And there was 367 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.200 a girl and her mother stopped by the radio station 368 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.920 one night and she was in the Miss Pennsylvania contest. 369 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:04.039 Penny was her name. And suddenly I found myself talking 370 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.119 to this one person on the air. You know how 371 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:09.279 you visualized parking on one person, she was that person. 372 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:11.720 Suddenly after that, a few weeks later, I'm missing to 373 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:14.359 my tapes and that's it. I found the sound I 374 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.599 was looking for, and that was it. So I decided 375 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:19.640 I'm not going to Boston. I'm gonna try this, and 376 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:22.680 I gave myself three years to leave do boys and 377 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.519 get to one of two radio stations, either katie KA, 378 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:31.839 my hometown in Pittsburgh or KYW, big fifty thousand radio station. No, 379 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:34.359 no ky And this was what it was in Cleveland, Okay. 380 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.079 And then but I got there, then they changed the 381 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:39.319 calladus WKYC. It was NBC, but they had switch call 382 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:41.920 letters with Philadelphia, something behind the scenes thing. 383 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:43.920 So that was it. 384 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:46.720 But then what happened was I got in this service, 385 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:48.920 So I'm in the service. Even there's no Vietnam War 386 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:50.720 going on, I'm in the service. So I got six 387 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:54.000 months in Fort Knox. Now the last month I'm in there. 388 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.640 I'm a clerk typist, and I sent letters because I'm 389 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.519 gonna leave. Du boys JIMMI Holiday. I was big. The 390 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.200 Beatles out there was big. I'd go to work at night. 391 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:03.359 There were a little teenage girls. 392 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:06.319 See your local station and do boys you broke the Beatles? 393 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:09.200 Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, oh yes absolutely, And it 394 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:12.960 was huge, huge, So I sent. I saw a station 395 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:15.240 in Erie, Pennsylvania, number two, and I thought this is 396 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.200 a market I could jump to. And it was a 397 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:20.240 number two rocker. W W G O Jet was the 398 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:23.279 They owned the market. So every day at Fort Knox, 399 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:25.319 I would send a postcard back in those days of 400 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:27.759 postcard was like a penny postcard. And I send it 401 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:31.279 and saying that, uh Jim, Jay Bentley Starr. I was 402 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:36.440 changed my name Jay because Jim and Johnny Yeah Bentley 403 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:38.160 Carr English, you know, and Starr. I wanted to be 404 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:39.880 a star, so I was Jay Bentley Starr. And I 405 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:42.519 sent them a postcard every day talking about I know 406 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:44.799 you're on this record because I could listen to wacky 407 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:48.119 down there at Fort Knox and KLO in Louisville, and 408 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:50.160 so I send notes every day in the contest, got 409 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:52.559 the idea and I would act like they answered me, 410 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:54.680 thank you very much for the nice comments. I would 411 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:57.039 sell this postcard every day, looking to be the next 412 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:00.200 star of Very Radio. Every day I sent them a postcard. 413 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.599 So I go back. My terms up. Okay, I'm going back. 414 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:05.599 I'm a free man on the service. I'm going to 415 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:07.359 do Boys back on the air. They have to take 416 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:10.319 me back. The radio station says, no, we don't want 417 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.720 you Jimmy Holliday on the air. You can be on 418 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:15.440 the air, but no Jimmy Holliday, and no picking your 419 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.720 own music. You're playing arm music. Listen not for Tony Bennett, 420 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:21.359 Stuffy and so I was devastated. And one of the 421 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:23.960 ladies I knew there said nobody expected you to ever 422 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:27.599 come back to do Boys. So like the day before 423 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:29.759 I was to start, I get a call from Eerie 424 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:33.759 Jay Bentley Starr when we have an opening. The guy 425 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:36.079 on the night shift who called himself Johnny Holiday and 426 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:38.799 not the Johnny Holiday left to go across the street 427 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.640 the jet. So there's an opening. So I had at 428 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:45.640 this point a blue Jaguar nineteen fifty eight XK and 429 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:48.599 one fifty plus. I am I most minor convertible. So 430 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.000 I drove in this long drive. I'm dead tired. I 431 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:53.960 drive in to go on the radio and do Boys, 432 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:57.359 says Jay Bentley Starr, the Intrepid Leader. I get there 433 00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:59.799 and I go then and I walk into the office 434 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:02.759 and hey, you're the guy that sent the postcards. And 435 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:04.799 the guy who ran the station was a guy named 436 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:05.680 Larry Parato. 437 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:08.799 This is an Erie, Pennsylvania, Zeria, Pennsylvania, New Boys. You 438 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:09.799 drove from New Boys. 439 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:12.759 I go from New Boys to Erie. Okay, so I'm 440 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:14.799 in Arie and the and the receptionist goes, oh, they're 441 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:17.039 all laughing. You're the guy sent the postcards. And we 442 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:18.680 have all the post guys have a big stack of 443 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.400 all these postcards. And the general manager was a guy 444 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:25.000 named Larry Perrado, who was when I was at w 445 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:28.599 MGW and Meadfield for those first shows with Eric Johnson. 446 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:32.279 He was like the engineer producer and he had told 447 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:34.839 me on the air the first show he said, someday, kids, 448 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:36.799 you're gonna make it, and I want to be with you. 449 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:39.240 Well here he was. He was my boss. Now an Erie. 450 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:42.599 Oh I'm so excited. Small So I go on the 451 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:45.759 air that night, and this radio station was on the 452 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:48.799 top floor of the highest building in Erie, and in 453 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:51.960 there the transmitter was there and the control room, so 454 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:55.039 everything was there. I had control of everything. So on 455 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:58.319 the air, young college kid comes in from Gannon. He's 456 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:00.759 doing the all night show. And I looked and I said, 457 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:04.119 you know what, nobody knows I'm in town. So I 458 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.519 put a big desk against the door, put a microphone 459 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:10.000 outside in the hallway, locked him out, and put chairs 460 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:13.440 on top of it. So I locked everybody out and 461 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:16.119 I stayed in there, and then when the morning came around, 462 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.599 then I started playing Come On and Swim by Bobby 463 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.319 Freeman over and over and over again. Of course I 464 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:23.599 don't know the format, you know, I just brand new 465 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:26.079 at the station. So the guy gets on the microphone. 466 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:28.039 He's yelling and I said, be careful because it's on 467 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:30.359 the air. It's I'm on the air. And every record 468 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.519 I played, Bobby Freeman, number one, number two, picked the 469 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:36.160 click everything. You know the whole So the whole town 470 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:39.160 by nine thirty in the morning knew j Bentley Starr 471 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:41.640 was on the air in Eriy, Pennsylvania. And then the 472 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:44.359 front page of the paper head in the town gangbuster 473 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:47.920 style plays music over thirty hours on the radio, and 474 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:49.640 they fired me and hired me back and I had 475 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:51.880 a day off and that was my beginning in the 476 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:54.480 every Pennsylvania see Intrepid leader Jane Bentley Starr. 477 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:57.519 Well, this is kind of one of those things that 478 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:00.400 kind of line up for the two of us because 479 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:05.359 I participated in a stunt that was approved by and 480 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.880 recommended by the management and the program director. It was 481 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:11.559 something that happened here in Cincinnati with I think Mark 482 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:14.519 Sebastian at Q one O two where he played the 483 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:18.200 Stroke by Billy Squire over and over and over again, uh, 484 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:21.319 and acted like he was he'd commandeered the radio station. 485 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.279 But it was all it was all a wink. It 486 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:29.640 was all everybody he had control, I understand. But and 487 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:32.000 I did the same thing in Chattanooga where I played 488 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:35.440 I Love rock and Roll by Jon Jet for like 489 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:37.880 you know, I don't know. It was two or three hours. 490 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:40.839 It was not a thirty hour marathon like yours. But 491 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:44.599 nobody asked you to do this, And no, I mean 492 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:46.680 you did this on your own, just so you would 493 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:49.480 people would know who you are. Yeah, that's brilliant. Look 494 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:51.200 at me. It's great, look at me. I'm here. 495 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:53.440 I'm jaying start when what I didn't realize was my 496 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:55.640 car was sitting out on the main street and I 497 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.359 had a long stack of tickets in the station. I said, 498 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:01.000 you paid for you pay for him. 499 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:03.880 Wow, that's that's the price of fame. I guess, you know. 500 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:05.799 So let's with. 501 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:09.240 Time being kind of a yeah, we got time, let 502 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:12.319 me take quick quick things that happened, Okay, so I'm 503 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:15.640 in Eerie. Two things that happened early on, Well, there 504 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.240 was a guy there in another radio station. We were friends, 505 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:20.319 and I was I was going to get out of radio. 506 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:22.480 I was just I was gonna get out. Nothing was happening. 507 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:25.119 And he was a friend of Joey Reynolds up a 508 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:28.319 KB in Buffalo, and he said, why don't you go, 509 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:30.279 Let's go meet Joey Reynolds. So I went with him 510 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:33.839 and took a tape. Joey Reynolds listens to my tape 511 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:37.119 and he said, kid, He said, you are you putting 512 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:39.880 me on a you Bobby Mitchell from San Francisco And 513 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:42.119 I said no, Jay Bentley Starr and Eerie. He said, 514 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.359 well there's no He said, you sound just like Bobby Mitchell. 515 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.240 He gave me so much encouragement that that made me 516 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:51.279 stay in radio. And then meanwhile, my old engineer from 517 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:54.599 Doboys was now working in the station in Cleveland, wd OK. 518 00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:56.799 And he brought the head engineer and they come in 519 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:00.720 and the guy says, well, hey, there's they're chained the format. 520 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.279 Three guys bought, three sales guys bought the radio station. 521 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:05.680 Let me have a tape of yours. So I gave 522 00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:09.039 them a tape. They take the tape back and then uh. 523 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:12.039 A few months later, that station goes and becomes WIXI 524 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.480 and I get a call in Cleveland, Cleveland now, Jerry Spin, 525 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.119 program director, we'd like to comme in and do And 526 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:20.160 I said, great, Oh I have to quit. No, no, no, 527 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:21.880 don't quit, don't quit. I just want to hear you 528 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:24.119 on the air. And I was doing two shifts, a 529 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.720 ten to one shift, take them an hour for lunch, 530 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.920 coming back, and then doing two o'clock to seven and 531 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.240 production until eight o'clock. Be aause they were looking for 532 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:35.000 a midday guy. And so I went in and this 533 00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:36.880 and then and this was a tape that a guy 534 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.960 at the station had heard. My boss. The program director said, 535 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.359 g you just don't have any talent. You know, you 536 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:44.039 just don't have any talent. So it was a take 537 00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:46.559 to come here into Cleveland. So I'm in there and 538 00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:50.880 I did three shows in an area on on on 539 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:54.680 WIXI Steve Popovich comes in, and you know what happened 540 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.200 was I sent the program director a note and called him. 541 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:58.759 I said, I can't come in. I wrecked my car 542 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:01.480 and I did and I was sleep, I mean no sleep. 543 00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:03.960 So he says, man, forget it, don't come in. We 544 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.079 don't want you boom boom in here. Never heard me 545 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:10.039 on the air. So Popovich comes in a Mercury Records 546 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:13.359 local guy in Cleveland and later had meet little from 547 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.119 everybody and a vice president of Columbia Epic Records, and 548 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.680 Popovich says, no, I didn't hear you. I said, Man, 549 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:21.200 don't let anybody here around here because I'll be fired. 550 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:24.279 Don't fire me, he said. But Bob Martin doesn't have 551 00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:27.240 a program, doesn't have a PD at KY and Cleveland. 552 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:30.799 Jim Gallant isn't happy. The night guy. You might want 553 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.799 to call him. So I called Bob Martin and Cleveland 554 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:36.759 fifty thousand one NBC radio station. He says, come on 555 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:40.079 in we sit down, we talk and I listened to 556 00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:42.680 my tape with now the WIXI tape, and he said, 557 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:44.200 can you do more of this? I said yeah, that's 558 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:46.599 what I do. And he said, well, okay, how much 559 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:48.319 are you making? I said, like eighty bucks a week. 560 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:50.599 I just got a raise to ninety. He said okay. 561 00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:52.960 Then about three days later, I get a call from 562 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:56.319 Bob Martin. Okay, this is Bob Martin with NBC, jim 563 00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:59.799 La Barbra we or j he said, Jay Bentley Starr 564 00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:02.359 and I said yes, and then I hung up the 565 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:04.680 phone because I thought it was Holiday, that kid that 566 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.240 I replaced making fun of me. Because he did, I thought, 567 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:10.799 because once I had Rick Scalar call me. Well, as 568 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:12.559 it turned out, it might have been Rick lay like 569 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.920 I hung up on him. So anyway, Bob Martin calls 570 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:16.559 back and he says, look, I'm not going to you 571 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.240 just talked with me the other day. We want to 572 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:20.480 hire you to work at NBC. We're hiring you, but 573 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.079 if you hang up, forget it. I said, I'm so sorry, 574 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:25.319 and I went in. They hired me. I did the 575 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.519 Sound eleven survey and a Sunday night filled in for 576 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:31.119 everybody and got my paycheck the first week, went into 577 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:33.200 the office and said, I wanted to be paid by 578 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:34.599 the I started to get it out. I wanted to 579 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:36.160 be paid by the week and not by the month. 580 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.160 He said, Jim, I'm so sorry. You have a talent 581 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.359 fee of one hundred dollars a week with NBC. Whether 582 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:43.319 you do anything or not, you're a base of one 583 00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:45.720 hundred dollars. And I started to cry. He said, didn't 584 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.200 we discuss money. I said, no, I had making a 585 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:49.599 ninety week. I was going to go to one hundred 586 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:53.119 a week in six months in Eerie. So I made 587 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.640 that year almost thirty eight thousand dollars. 588 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:00.200 I'll with it. That's great money. What nineteen sixty. 589 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.720 Sixty six, nineteen sixty six, So that was my you know, 590 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.200 in Cleveland was just it was. It was the greatest 591 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:09.319 thing in the world. And I was there and then 592 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.240 we all got fired, the whole staff except for the 593 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.240 morning guys, like two and a half years later, and 594 00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:17.640 then I went to WIXI across the street and was Cleveland. Yeah, 595 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:21.640 two hundred bucks a week. I'm working a seventh day 596 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.119 on tape with Bloom and Wayne and talking. 597 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:27.079 To Jim, let Barbara the music professor on American History 598 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.160 on the Radio and the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW. 599 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:35.519 Jim Let's kind of flash forward to Cincinnati. 600 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.359 So I'm a WIXI. So I stayed one year, one year, 601 00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:43.480 and there was a guy that came in, uh, Chuck Dunaway, 602 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.880 and he had been with Ky and you know how 603 00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.759 the business can be. And when I was gone, it 604 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:51.559 was my last night on the air. I had my 605 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:54.480 girlfriend Susan with me and we were there and he said, hey, 606 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:56.720 he said, hey, listen to me. I'll show you how 607 00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:58.319 you're not gonna be doing anything. You're not gonna be 608 00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.799 doing anything for a while. Listen to me. I'll show 609 00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:01.160 you how I was supposed to be done. 610 00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:02.240 All right. 611 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:05.079 So that was like, so here we are we going 612 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.680 now number one, big party, number one. We're on stage. 613 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.559 We came through the little things like a football team, 614 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.039 piech guy, I'm star on stage and I introduced the 615 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.799 newest Wixy Superman chucked that away and I said, that's it. 616 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:15.279 I quit. 617 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.160 I told Joe Finan, who was standing next to me 618 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:18.799 and the wild Child, that that's it. 619 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:19.200 I quit. 620 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:21.799 And they said no, no, no, no, do that. So when 621 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:23.960 I didn't ever introduce Neil Diamond and everybody that was 622 00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.200 on that show that night when Out got drunk that 623 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:29.680 night and everyone on the air and then started looking 624 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.359 for a job, and I like, somebody said, how about 625 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:35.039 WLW and Cincinnati, And I called and Jim Gallop, who 626 00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.519 I replaced in Cleveland because they came in as a 627 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.519 summer replacement guy. But I was working all the time. 628 00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:42.000 I was doing a morning show, doing afternoon show. And 629 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.279 even when Jerry g went on the road with the Beatles, 630 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.400 you know, I did his afternoon show. He said, Jimmy, 631 00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:48.039 I've got ringo on the line. Say I had a ringo. 632 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:49.480 So it was a great I mean, it was like 633 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.400 I was in love with Cleveland. Was like incredible. And 634 00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:57.680 so Gallant was now the program director. So Gallant I 635 00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:59.759 called it, called him his wife answer said, Jimmy, he'd 636 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:01.599 love to have you here. So I went down and 637 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:05.400 it was it. We came to an agreement, came down 638 00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:08.240 to WLW. This was nineteen sixty nine. My duty was 639 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:10.880 to do the early night show and change the music 640 00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:15.279 from Ray Conniff and Percy Faith and Tony Bennett to 641 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.920 Light Beatles and Paul Simon and Outguard funk On and 642 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.119 Neil Diamond. And also there was a TV show Billion 643 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:24.200 Della Keys that was going off the air and her 644 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:26.119 co host had left to go to Saint Louis, so 645 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.279 I was gonna be involved with that. So that was it. 646 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.319 I came to the Cincinnati and fell in love with 647 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:35.079 Cincinnati and I been here ever since, except for nine 648 00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:36.160 months in Denver. 649 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:40.200 Yeah. Yeah, a little diversion to Denver. I think that 650 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:43.119 your early days in Cincinnati, though, living at the Forum 651 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:47.680 apartments and having Johnny Bench as a friend and all 652 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:51.759 these people that you met who were you know, professional 653 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:55.839 athletes who lived in that apartment complex at the time. 654 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:58.440 Some of those stories are great. We had. 655 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.559 It's such a good time. And uh, of course wl W. 656 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.279 We had the Reds and the Bengals and the Royals 657 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:07.440 basketball team, so you know, we had Callite Blanched everything 658 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.359 that was going on, and uh and the Bob Broun 659 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.640 Show to go over and beyond Bronze Show. So it 660 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.440 was wonderful and uh, you know, I had it was 661 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.720 It was a very interesting because I was tired of 662 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:20.799 Top forty. I didn't think this thing was going to last. 663 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:21.440 Rock and roll. 664 00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.640 I thought, I want to be more mature. I'm like 665 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.880 in my early twenties. Now this is a time temperature. 666 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.200 Was was k y, I could talk more wixy was 667 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.039 time temperature and get everything in you know, economy awards, 668 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.079 and I liked it. I was good, we were number one, 669 00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:37.039 but I wanted to be more of that kind of 670 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.160 a personality and that afforded me. The WLW afforded me 671 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:41.079 that opportunity. 672 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:41.880 So it was. 673 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.400 It was great. And then the city, you know, immediately 674 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.599 took into and there was Jim Gallant who said to me, okay, 675 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.119 you're coming here. He said, I'm gonna call you. We're 676 00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:52.640 going to call you the music professor. And I said 677 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.319 music professor and he said, well, you know Kate Kaiser 678 00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:58.759 is College of Musical Knowledge. Yes, Cabibble, I said, I 679 00:31:58.799 --> 00:31:59.359 had no idea. 680 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:00.000 I knew my dad. 681 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.559 I had some Ki Kaiser seventy eight records, but that 682 00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:04.359 was it. So he called me. I didn't feel comfortable 683 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.039 with that at all. And he said, just like you 684 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.559 would have the Shangri laws On and Del Shannon and 685 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:11.880 Question market mysterians, I want you to do more of 686 00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:13.960 that here. I want you to do more of that. Actually, 687 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:15.720 after every record I want you to talk about every 688 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.279 other record, talk about something in the music business. I 689 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.559 want you to do that. What I didn't realize was 690 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.200 and I so I went along with that, and then 691 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:25.400 shortly after that, I'm gone a bench. Hey Prop, how 692 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.720 you doing, Pete Rose? Hey, prov what's going on? So 693 00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:29.839 that caught on. There was a guy who was like 694 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:33.640 the one of the custodians at the former apartments, and 695 00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:35.720 he said to me, I've been in town maybe three months. 696 00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:38.559 He said, Hey, you're my favorite disc jockey on WLW. 697 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.440 He said, my two favorites are Stan Mattlock and you. 698 00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:43.599 And I said Stan Mattlock. He said, yeah, he does 699 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.519 the morning show on KO. I see, so I decided 700 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.960 to listen to Stan Mattlock the radio. I'm listening to 701 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.640 Stan matt Luck and now, yeah, at this time, I'm 702 00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.519 a single guy. I'm going out every night, you know. 703 00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:55.440 So I'm half hung over and listening to him, and 704 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.559 he's talking about guppies or pregnant guppy in a whole hour, 705 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.160 is this guppy has a they have a baby, They 706 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:02.640 do this, and they do that, and here's what your 707 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.279 feta guppy? And I said, what the heck is this? 708 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.359 And then it dawned on me. Jim Gallant gave me 709 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.160 the phrase of music professor, and I don't think I 710 00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:15.319 ever really thanked him enough for that, because this city 711 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:18.039 was ready for a music professor, for Jim Lebima to 712 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.960 come in and talk about music, because Stay Matt Locke 713 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.039 already educated people to do that, to listen to the radio, 714 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.720 to be informed, and so that door was wide open. 715 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:28.720 It took me a good while to realize that, but 716 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:29.640 that's what happened. 717 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:33.279 And after the W I know, we got to really 718 00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.240 just kind of scare, this is why this should be 719 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:41.000 two hours and that long. But then you went on 720 00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:46.200 to think ky cky and finally you gravitated to w 721 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:48.160 g r R, where you were for how long? 722 00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:51.799 Yeah, fifteen years? Fifteen years number one, Yeah, And I 723 00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.640 loved that I was back there and rock and roll. 724 00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.799 Marty Thompson hired me to go over there. I had been. 725 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.880 What had happened was I was on say Ky doing 726 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.319 the talk show and that worked out very well. And 727 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.279 then I went from there to K I C and 728 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:09.400 I was like a cup of coffee, and then to 729 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:14.840 W S A I. And then very interesting happened. What 730 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:18.679 happened when g R. W g R hired me. I 731 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:22.000 was working on still doing mornings six to ten. We're 732 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.599 doing sports talk on SAI because we're changed from playing 733 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:26.639 oldies to doing sports talk. So I was doing that 734 00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:30.679 show and then UH several reno Tom Severino over at Easy. 735 00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:33.920 I went to Cleveland talked to him, No buddy Larry Morrow, 736 00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:36.760 because I said, Tom, I said, you could put in 737 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:40.519 that morning show on Easy personality and play some play 738 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.719 some vocals, little Ray Charles, you could play Toomy Ben. 739 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.719 We could do stuff besides instrumentals and make this thing work. 740 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:48.039 He said, well, come back and give me what you 741 00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:50.239 think you know, and so I went there for him. 742 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:54.000 So he put me on Easy on Saturday mornings six 743 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:56.800 to ten. So I was working six to ten at 744 00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:00.360 the same time on Easy, uh six to ten morning 745 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.280 Monday through Friday. It was this Saturday morning ninety eight 746 00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:07.000 Monday through Friday on WSAI, and then in the evenings 747 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.519 from ten o'clock till two they break me into the 748 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:12.920 board on wgr R. I was working at three stations 749 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:13.880 at the same time. 750 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.039 And they called me at one time the hardest working 751 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.360 man in Tri State radio. I got nothing on you 752 00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.960 listen that's all the time we have. Unfortunately. Well, I 753 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.719 love doing what I'm doing now. I'm on this WDJO radio. 754 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:26.960 I do the two to seven shift in the afternoon 755 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:28.719 ninety nine to five, and when I was seven nine 756 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.880 FM and Cincinnati we stream on iHeart and then on 757 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.079 Saturday mornings, I love being with you from seven thirty 758 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.639 until eight o'clock and we talked Rocker. So many people 759 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.840 say it's their favorite segment of that whole show on 760 00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:42.119 Saturday morning. Jim, thank you so much. I cherry sh 761 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.440 our friendship. Thank you very much. I love you, Bud. 762 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.400 It's American History on the radio. More to come on 763 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:52.519 the Nightcap Assassination. It's entitled The JFK Assassination. Choke holds 764 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:56.599 that inescapably proved there was a conspiracy, no matter what 765 00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.840 you've heard before or seen in an Oliver Stone movie 766 00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:05.920 or or whatever. This co author, James di Eugenio, is 767 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.000 with us. He is an MA in history with California 768 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:12.880 State University, Northridge, retired teacher, written or co written four 769 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.079 books on the assassinations of the sixties. So not just JFK, 770 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:18.599 but I guess you covered Martin Luther King and all 771 00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:21.079 the rest of that. But as far as the JFK 772 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.559 assassination shoke holds go, Jimmy D how are. 773 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.159 You nice to be here? 774 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:33.199 That's great, Gary, great to have you. First and foremost, what, 775 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.320 according to the information I got, you're one of the 776 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:45.719 foremost conspiracy theorists about JFK. First and foremost, What makes 777 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.480 your book different than the hundreds of books that have 778 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:51.920 been written about the assassination of John F. Kennedy. 779 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:59.440 Well, for one thing, this book is not theoretical. In fact, 780 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:00.559 that's what we tried. 781 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:00.960 To avoid it. 782 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:06.679 Okay, Now, I'm not sure if you're aware that there 783 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:11.280 was a body, an agency of government called the Assassination's 784 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:16.039 Record Review Board, and they operated from ninety four to 785 00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:21.760 ninety eight, and their job was a declassify all the 786 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:27.280 documents in every government register that had been stored away 787 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:31.480 since the Kennedy assassination, which was nineteen sixty three. Now, 788 00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:37.760 hardly anybody ever talks about them, but we actually read 789 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:41.159 a lot of their documents, right, And on top of that, 790 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:47.880 the final determination for getting rid of all these documents, 791 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:51.039 no matter what the excuse was, was supposed to be 792 00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:55.480 twenty seventeen, which you can see we're in twenty twenty four, 793 00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:01.079 and guess what happened. Neither Donald Trump nor Joe Biden 794 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.679 obeyed the law and declassified the last or the documents. 795 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:10.239 There's forty seven hundred still left, okay, And that is 796 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:11.880 a major point of our book. 797 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:12.920 Okay. 798 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.639 We wanted to bring everything up to date with the 799 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.440 most current research, all right, and then we wanted to 800 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:26.039 bring people who read the book, okay, to understand that 801 00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.840 this is how big the Kennedy assassination is. It's not 802 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:33.960 a past event, all right. When you have two presidents, 803 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.960 one who said he wanted to drain the swamp, okay, 804 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.239 and then you have another guy who has John Kennedy's 805 00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:46.800 picture in his study. And not even these guys will 806 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:52.320 go up against the executive intelligence agencies. Something's wrong someplace. 807 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.400 So that is really what the book is about. It's 808 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.400 a current, up to date view of the Kennedy assassination 809 00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:04.360 with the with the best, most reviable information and whether 810 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:08.400 or not, you know, a country can survive when the 811 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:13.039 CIA and the FBI openly defy the law on this case. 812 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:20.320 Well, I mean, you're talking about, among other things that 813 00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.119 we know about or we think we know about, the 814 00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:28.480 JFK assassination. That the fact that they did all kinds 815 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:33.079 of weird things that in hiding JFK's brain and the 816 00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:34.199 chain of custody. 817 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.360 Oh that's Oh, I'm glad you brought that up. I'm 818 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.400 glad you brought that up, because that's that's one of 819 00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.920 the most important parts of the book. Okay, Yeah, and 820 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.760 it's it's easily understandable, but hardly anybody ever talks about 821 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:57.800 it because very few people know about it. Okay, JFK's brain, 822 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:03.320 I'm sure most listeners. Now, Kennedy was killed in Dallas, Texas. 823 00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.880 He went to Parkland Hospital, then they transported his body 824 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:12.000 back to Washington, and that evening there was an autopsy 825 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:16.280 at Beths the Medical Center, all right, a naval institution, 826 00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:22.599 all right. Now, in any normal autopsy, Number one, the 827 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:28.840 brain is weighed during the autopsy. Guess what. That didn't happen. 828 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:33.000 That didn't happen that night. There's no brain weight on 829 00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:38.599 the autopsy report for that evening. Secondly, if the victim 830 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:44.840 dies by gunshot wound to the skull, they were supposed 831 00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:49.519 to be something called a dissection, and the way you 832 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:56.400 dissect the wound path in the brain is by what's 833 00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:59.760 called sectioning. You can do it one of two ways. 834 00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.800 There is a bread low style, where you just go 835 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.000 ahead and cut straight, straight, straight cuts across the brain. 836 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.079 Or there's what they call a pie cut, in which 837 00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:15.000 you cut it like a pie diagonally. Well, guess what, Gary, 838 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:20.360 Neither one was done. Now, this is very, very weird. 839 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:26.480 Kennedy was killed because of the headshot. Okay, and you 840 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:30.320 don't even section the brain to find out a the 841 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.400 directionality of the bullet or b if there was more 842 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:34.920 than one. 843 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.320 Oh yeah, that would make perfect sense, James, right. 844 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:43.719 Exactly, okay, but there's no evidence that that ever happened. Now, 845 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:48.519 what makes us even more weird is this. When they 846 00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:53.639 finally did weigh the brain, it came out at fifteen 847 00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:58.159 hundred grams. Now, why do I say that's weird? Because 848 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:02.440 the average weight of a rain for a guy Kennedy 849 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:10.599 size six, all right, was thirteen forty. In other words, 850 00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:16.440 Kennedy's brain was one hundred and sixty grams heavier than 851 00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:20.000 what it should have been. Now, what why is that weird? 852 00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:25.079 Why you can't you just dismiss it? Because anybody who 853 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:29.639 watches as a fruiter film or takes a look at 854 00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:36.000 the pictures inside the car, or watches Jackie Kennedy crawling 855 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:37.760 out the back of the trunk. 856 00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.599 Okay, to grab, grab, to grab a piece of the 857 00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:46.559 president's head or brain that had right exactly. 858 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:48.440 And she brought it to the hospital and gave it 859 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:53.480 to a doctor. Okay, here's part of my my husband's brain. 860 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:58.159 All right. So, in other words, with the huge head explosion, 861 00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.679 which is very obvious, is a bruder film the blood 862 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:04.719 and tissue going up into the air, with that mess 863 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.960 of a back seat, with the blood and tissue all 864 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:12.639 over the back seat, with the motorcycle cop on the 865 00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.840 left side of Kennedy, he said he got hit so 866 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:19.079 hard he thought even hit by a bullet, and he 867 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:22.400 ended up with part of Kennedy's brain in his mouth. 868 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.039 All right, How in God's name can Kennedy's brain weigh 869 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:32.000 more than the normal with all that dispersion of blood 870 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.119 and tissue throughout the area. This defies common sense in logic. 871 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.920 So this is why many people are coming to believe 872 00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:48.400 that the brain that we have in and the pictures 873 00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.039 of the brain we have in the National Archives, is 874 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:55.360 not Kennedy's. And before anybody says, what's the proof you 875 00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:59.960 have of that? How about this? The official autopsy for 876 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:07.079 photographer was named John Stringer, all right, very experienced. When 877 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:11.119 he was called before the assassination's record review board. I 878 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:16.280 believe this was in nineteen ninety seven. They had the 879 00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:21.559 autopsy pictures of the brain and Jeremy Gunn was the 880 00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:27.360 examining lawyer. He put them up on an easel, all right, 881 00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:32.840 to display for the witness, and he asked them, did 882 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:40.000 you take these pictures? He walked up to the easel stunned. Okay, 883 00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:46.079 when he got close and he said, this is Anskell, 884 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:53.400 this is Anskll film. I didn't use Anskoll, I used Kodak. 885 00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.719 I used Kodak atter com And he said, you see 886 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:02.920 these numbers here on the bottom right, This means this 887 00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:07.480 was a press pack. They were taken in series. I 888 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:14.239 didn't take press packs. I took that what's called duo folders. Okay, 889 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:20.079 each picture was separate, all right. And so after he 890 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:25.440 absorbed this, Jeremy Gunn asked him, are you ready to 891 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.400 deny that you took these pictures? And he said, if 892 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.320 that's Ansco and this is a press pack, I didn't 893 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.559 take those pictures. So the question then becomes who took 894 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.400 those pictures? And why did you have to have a 895 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:40.440 second photographer? 896 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.960 Jeez? So and the other question is whose brain did 897 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.199 they take pictures of? If it was well, that's another. 898 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:54.079 Great question, that's another great question. But Bethesda was what 899 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.920 they called a training facility, okay. In other words, you 900 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:02.400 were you were training autopsy. And so they had these 901 00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:06.480 things in storage from previous victims, because you're coming back 902 00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:11.119 from like, you know, foreign, foreign tours of service, okay, 903 00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:15.519 and so that might be how they got this substitute brain. 904 00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:21.320 All right, Oh yeah, I mean that that is totally believable. 905 00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:24.920 Right, I know that. And let me add one point 906 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.320 before we go to another question. See, the reason I 907 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:36.719 bring this up is this. See, this is not theory. 908 00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:40.840 This is something you could submit to a court of law, okay, 909 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.559 if you was ever an opening of the case, which 910 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:47.519 there probably will not be, because for a picture to 911 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:53.440 be submitted into a court proceeding, the person who took 912 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:58.079 the picture has to certify it as his. So, in 913 00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:02.920 other words, these pictures would not be submitted in a 914 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:06.719 normal court proceeding. All right, it would be illegal to 915 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.519 do that, you know, But this is what you get 916 00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:13.559 in the Kennedy case. You know, well, we still I 917 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:15.199 just wanted to slam that at home. 918 00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:18.480 Sure, no, no, it's a good point. So we're still 919 00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:22.559 left with the questions, why did the War and Commission 920 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:26.719 cover this up? Why have Presidents Trump and Biden not 921 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:32.559 followed through with being transparent with the study that you 922 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:36.280 were talking about the Commission's findings from ninety four to 923 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:42.480 ninety eight, Who benefited from John F. Kennedy's death? And 924 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.559 what we all endured as a nation in November twenty second, 925 00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.880 nineteen sixty three. Though, are those questions that you can 926 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.920 get to in your book. Those are kind of theoretical questions. 927 00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:58.719 Though, what what we did in the book, as we 928 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:05.960 described back in twenty seventeen, if you recall, Trump actually 929 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:10.599 tweeted about how he was looking forward to going ahead 930 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:14.880 and declassifying the last of the JFK documents, all right, 931 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.719 And in fact, there were news stories about this, all right, 932 00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:22.360 about that tweet, all right, and so everybody was expecting 933 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.880 it to happen. I believe this was October twenty sixth, 934 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:31.719 twenty seventeen. Okay, then what happens on the very day 935 00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.199 that this is supposed to happen? The CIA and the 936 00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:41.400 FBI go into the White House, and nobody knows what 937 00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:46.599 actually was said, but there are some some there is 938 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:52.440 some reportage that the CIA and the FBI were at 939 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.159 dammit about not declassifying of the last of the documents, 940 00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:02.440 and they essentially gave Trump you know, the bloody hand 941 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:07.239 speech yeah, which means this, yeah, yeah, which means, if 942 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:12.559 we have this agent in Morocco, okay, and he's still alive, 943 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.800 all right, if you're going to be classify all these documents, 944 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.360 you're gonna put his life in danger, and if he 945 00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:20.639 gets killed, we're gonna blame it on you know that 946 00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:21.280 kind of thing. 947 00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:22.159 All right. 948 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:28.039 Now, Kennedy was killed in nineteen sixty three, Okay, Yeah, 949 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:32.840 here we are in twenty seventeen, all right, and there's 950 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:38.039 still somebody around who was somehow involved in that case, 951 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:40.239 and his life is going to be in danger. 952 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:41.360 Okay. 953 00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.760 That that far around the curve. You're talking over fifty years, 954 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:48.079 all right, Why don't you just retire the guy and 955 00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:49.559 give him a great pension. 956 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:58.519 No doubt, no doubt. Oliver Stone is featured talking about 957 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:03.239 your book. He's Oliver Stone's quote was fascinating glimpse into 958 00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:05.960 the accumulating knowledge of this crime, and why President's Trump 959 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:08.880 and Biden both backed away from full disco disclosure of 960 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:12.199 the JFK files. The book goes beyond all reasonable doubt 961 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.320 to prove that Oswald, given a real trial, would have 962 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:19.440 been acquitted. That's Oliver Stone in his movie What did 963 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.400 Oliver Stone Get Wrong? Do you think? 964 00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:23.800 Which? 965 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:27.800 Which you mean? JFK h J nineteen ninety one. Yeah, right, 966 00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:31.199 you know, you know in one of my books, the 967 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:37.840 JFK Assassination the evidence today, I went through the whole film, Okay, Yeah, 968 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.639 Now the film is three hours long. 969 00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:43.800 Yes it is. Okay, I have right, I have lived 970 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.880 through that. Yes, I understand. 971 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:51.719 Now granting for the use of dramatic So you have 972 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.840 to have some dramatic license because you're going through all 973 00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.159 this time, the interview and yeah, and you and you 974 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:02.119 have to be able to compress thing, okay, and combined 975 00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:07.360 things in order to do so. There's only if I 976 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:09.679 would have been advising him at that time, which I 977 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:15.639 was not. Okay, there's there's essentially only three or four 978 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:20.360 scenes in that film. You know that I would have 979 00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:25.159 recommended him against not using. But see, the thing is 980 00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:34.119 gary the subject matter and his spin on it, his 981 00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:38.679 interpretation of it. Right, that was just too much for 982 00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:43.079 the establishment to handle, Okay, because the general message of 983 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:49.239 that film is Number one, Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy, 984 00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:54.719 the Warrant Commission covered it up. And number three, Vietnam 985 00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:59.079 would not have happened if Kennedy had lived. I happen 986 00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.880 to think all three of those thesies are true, okay. 987 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:09.760 But the establishment, especially the media establishment, was so tied 988 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:14.679 in because they accepted the One Commission. I know this 989 00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:18.719 is hard to believe, but this is true. The day 990 00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.599 it was issued, if you remember, I don't know how 991 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:25.239 old you are, but on the day the Commission report 992 00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:32.039 was issued September twenty seventh, nineteen sixty four, both NBC 993 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:38.760 and CBS had specials. The NBC one was an hour, 994 00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.280 the CBS one was two hours. Now, let me ask 995 00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.960 you a question, Gary. The One Report is eight hundred 996 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:51.000 and eighty eight pages long. Right, how can any human being, Aleen, 997 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:55.039 if you took everylyn Wood speed reading, Okay, how could 998 00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:57.320 you read eight hundred and eighty eight pages in one 999 00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:01.920 day and then assemble a filmed report on it? 1000 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.920 Excellent point in the answer. So you can't do it. 1001 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:09.159 James did right, Dia Genio. I'm sorry we're out of 1002 00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:11.400 time and I wish we had more. The book is 1003 00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:16.599 the JFK assassination choke holds that inescapably proved there was 1004 00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:19.239 a conspiracy. Thank you for your time in great success 1005 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.760 with the book. I'm anxious to read it. Thank you, Gary. 1006 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.039 You bet by. The Nightcap continues in moments on seven 1007 00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:31.280 hundred WLW. In Today's Marketers Report, Eric and Taylor, chief 1008 00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.159 marketing officer of jen In Tech, weighs in on audio's 1009 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:37.519 ability to reach any audience. Everyone. You hear Dave all 1010 00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:39.519 over the place. You see him on TV, you hear 1011 00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:42.239 him on the Nightcap on shows like tonight, and it's 1012 00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.000 great to have him back to talk a little tech 1013 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:50.440 in the wild world of Internet and the things that 1014 00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:54.119 you should be looking out for. He knows them all. Well, 1015 00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:57.119 he didn't know them all, but we're making a good 1016 00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:00.199 way through the list anyway, Dave. Let's start with it's 1017 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.679 Chinese electric cars, which, of course, apparently the Biden administration 1018 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:09.760 Kamala want to usher in this era by mandating we 1019 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:14.039 all drive electric vehicles by whatever imaginary date they've picked out. Now, 1020 00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:18.239 Donald Trump has been fighting that. But aside from the politics, 1021 00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.480 what do people need to know if they buy an 1022 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.000 electric vehicle made in China? 1023 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:28.199 Dave hatter Well, First off, Gary Jeh, thanks for having 1024 00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.360 me back on. It's good to be back. And yeah, 1025 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.440 I wish I knew everything is to know about all 1026 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:34.679 the scams, but sadly, you know, there's so many new 1027 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:35.880 ones coming on board. 1028 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:37.280 Because every day they got there. 1029 00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.440 Yeah, really creative and really devious, and also you know, 1030 00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:42.840 they want to steal your money. So it's always good 1031 00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:44.679 to chat with you about this stuff and hopefully raise 1032 00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:48.119 some awareness. And even things that aren't necessarily scams in 1033 00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:51.440 the strictest sense, like this ev situation, it's good to 1034 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.840 make people aware. So I would start out first and 1035 00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:56.559 say I think you and I have talked about this previously. 1036 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.239 I encourage everyone to go to Mozilla. They're the people 1037 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:01.519 that make the Firefight web browser. Go to their website 1038 00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:04.840 and look up Privacy not Included. This is a special 1039 00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:06.920 project they've put together to take a look at so 1040 00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:12.400 called smart devices, internet of things devices, refrigerators, smart TVs, cars, whatever, 1041 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.320 and you know, give you some insight into the privacy 1042 00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:19.199 and security attributes of these things. And they did a 1043 00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:22.519 big expose on modern cars at the end of last year. 1044 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:24.559 It's quite eye opening. I think most people will be 1045 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:29.360 very surprised, but it's a nice way to address concerns 1046 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:32.559 many people have been raising about modern cars, whether they're 1047 00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:36.239 electric or not, and the fact that they're basically rolling 1048 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.679 spy machines that also potentially have a lot of security 1049 00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:43.280 vulnerabilities which could be exploited and attacked, especially by a 1050 00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.679 nation state actor like China. So when you when you 1051 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.280 know all that going into it, And there was a 1052 00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:52.079 story probably from twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, where some reporters 1053 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:53.960 worked with some hackers and they took a deep Grand 1054 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:55.920 Tiokee out and were able to hack it remotely. 1055 00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:59.679 While yeah remember that story, well remember that well yeah. 1056 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.760 Wired Wired did a big write up on it and 1057 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:03.880 it caused the big recalls. Again, this is not a 1058 00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:06.159 new idea, and people have been warning about this for 1059 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:09.360 a long time, and it likes so many things, Gary Jeff. 1060 00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:11.960 The underlying technology that was built into all of this 1061 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:15.960 stuff is just inherently not secure, right. The stuff was 1062 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:18.320 designed and built back before these kind of concerns were 1063 00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:20.760 as much of a thing. So when you look at 1064 00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:23.199 something like privacy not included, and you realize how much 1065 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:26.320 information these things are collecting, but more significantly that they 1066 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:28.880 could be weaponized. And now you come back to let's 1067 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.599 talk about cars being made in China and imported into 1068 00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.920 the US. I mean, every day our relationship with China 1069 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:38.840 seems to be getting increasingly adversarial. People have probably seen 1070 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:42.119 the videos of the Chinese navy attacking like the Philippines 1071 00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:44.840 Coast Guard and so forth, you know, and like spraying 1072 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:46.920 them with hoses and doing all kinds of crazy stuff. 1073 00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:50.320 You know, there's just crazy stuff going on here. And 1074 00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:53.599 then hopefully people have seen the recent stories that our 1075 00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:57.239 government required backdoors into various networking equipment that have now 1076 00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.519 been exploited by the Chinese Communist Party. The idea that 1077 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.280 you're going to buy a car made at an adversarial 1078 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:07.360 nation where the all companies are completely controlled by the 1079 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.559 Chinese Communist Party and the PRC, You're going to bring 1080 00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:12.920 that into the United States and then driving around with it, 1081 00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:16.360 not only collecting data about you, potentially listening to you 1082 00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:20.239 through microphones, watching you through cameras, knowing your location, knowing 1083 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.199 everywhere you go once you connect your phone to it, 1084 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.519 knowing pretty much everything about you that any Apple on 1085 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:28.440 your phone could collect. Now, imagine that there's a back 1086 00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.039 door in there that the PRC could one day to say, 1087 00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:33.840 today is the day we're going to invade Taiwan. Today 1088 00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:36.079 is the day we're going to make every Chinese electric 1089 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:39.760 vehicle become a weapon. Just at a certain time, just 1090 00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:42.920 accelerate until you don't, can't because you run into something. 1091 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.639 And if Art betches that may sound to people that 1092 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:47.679 is a real possibility. So I'm glad to see the 1093 00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:52.960 Biden administration now coming out and warning about Chinese electric vehicles, 1094 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:56.639 because I mean, there is a strong possibility. And unless 1095 00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:59.119 you took one apart and analyzed every single line of 1096 00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.639 code in it, there's no way you could know whether 1097 00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:03.599 I had this capability built into it or not. And 1098 00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:04.320 you think they're going. 1099 00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:09.719 To tell you, Oh, Now, I know some pretty famous 1100 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.360 people that would have loved to have this technology at 1101 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:16.639 their fingertips when it came to getting read of maybe 1102 00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:20.960 incriminating or things you didn't want let out. That's on 1103 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:26.000 your laptop. Wiping a Windows laptop the safest way to 1104 00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:30.639 erase your personal data for free. What can you tell 1105 00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:31.880 me about this Dave Hadder. 1106 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.679 Yeah, so this is a really important concept, more so 1107 00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:37.800 than just to win those PC carre Jeff. I mean, 1108 00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.719 who doesn't spend more time on some sort of device, 1109 00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.920 and whether it's the infertainment center in your car like 1110 00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:46.480 we just talked about, and that the information it can 1111 00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:49.039 collect about you from the sensors in the car or 1112 00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:51.639 once you plug your phone in, or it's your phone 1113 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.159 or your tablet or your PC. We spend a lot 1114 00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:57.480 more time. You know, our whole society is digital now. 1115 00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:01.159 We do everything online and when you use these electronic devices, 1116 00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:03.960 in almost every case, they're collecting information, some of which 1117 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:08.559 is potentially sensitive work information, customer information, your financial information, 1118 00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:11.280 whatever that may be. So when it comes time to 1119 00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:15.760 decommission of device, whether it's your phone, your tablet, your car, whatever, 1120 00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:19.079 it's really critical. Even a printer, most modern printers have 1121 00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.480 memory built into in so that they can store print jobs. Yeah, 1122 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.039 you know, hackers will occasionally go after printers because they 1123 00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:27.760 know they can potentially get sensitive information that's been printed 1124 00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.800 on the printer. So my point is, whether it's a 1125 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:33.559 Windows PC or any sort of electronic device that has 1126 00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:37.079 internal memory and storage capability, you really need to be 1127 00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:41.039 thinking about, well, okay, is there sensitive information on this device? 1128 00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:43.000 And if so, what do I need to do about 1129 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.000 it before I get rid of it, before I throw 1130 00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:46.480 it in the garbage, before I take it to a 1131 00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:48.559 recycling center, which would be better than throwing it in 1132 00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:50.880 the garbage, or give it to a friend or donate 1133 00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:53.159 to charity or whatever. You know, you don't want like 1134 00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:55.599 the passwords for your bank account out there. You don't 1135 00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:58.280 want sensitive information like your medical records out there. So 1136 00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:01.960 the badness is depending on the type of device and 1137 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:03.960 the operating system that has on it. You know, it 1138 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.079 can be somewhat difficult to wipe but the easiest thing 1139 01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:10.239 to understand is, in almost every case there's generally some 1140 01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:13.320 way to restore things to factory defaults. Right if you 1141 01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.440 get into the settings, whether it's your Android phone or 1142 01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:18.079 your Apple phone, or you're smart TV or whatever it is, 1143 01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:20.960 there'll be somewhere in the settings to restore the thing 1144 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.199 to factory defaultse, which theoretically will wipe out all the 1145 01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:26.960 information on it. Now, that is a good place to 1146 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.079 start for most people. You know, it's not going to 1147 01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.400 stop a determined hacker that has the right skills and 1148 01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.800 the right tools right to get the data off of it. 1149 01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:36.760 But if you start with that, now you know, if 1150 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.119 you have a Windows based PC or a Mac or 1151 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:42.079 something like that, there are specific software tools out there. 1152 01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:42.239 Now. 1153 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:44.679 You know, in Windows you can restore the factory defaults 1154 01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:47.840 and there's some additional white capabilities, but you can download 1155 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:53.119 specific software tools explicitly designed to wipe something and wipe 1156 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.719 it to a government level, because just deleting something is 1157 01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.719 so important for people to understand. If you go in 1158 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:00.119 and if you're a nerd like me and you know 1159 01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:03.039 how to do something like format se colling right, well 1160 01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.760 that will theoretically erase everything on the drive, but the 1161 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:06.639 data is still there. 1162 01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:07.920 It just tells the computer. 1163 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.440 It's available, and without much effort you can restore the 1164 01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:12.760 data from it. So just deleting things does not get 1165 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:15.880 rid of it. You either have to physically destroy something, 1166 01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:19.320 electronically destroy it like with a magnet, or you have 1167 01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:22.440 to use software specifically designed to wipe it. So again, 1168 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.880 just restoring it to the factor of your fault way 1169 01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:28.800 better than nothing. For most people. You should let minimum 1170 01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:31.639 do that. But the best thing for most people probably 1171 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:33.960 rather than to try to figure this out themselves, and 1172 01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:36.880 there are many of these companies around town. Look up 1173 01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:42.320 E cycling, right, find an authorized company that does electronics recycling, 1174 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:44.840 and you can take your devices there and they will 1175 01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:47.159 give you a certificate that says it has been white 1176 01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:51.519 you know, sanitized is the appropriate industry term, sanitized in 1177 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:53.480 the way that you know. I'm not going to tell 1178 01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:55.079 you the NFA couldn't get the data off of it 1179 01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:57.639 at that point, but it would beyond the skills of 1180 01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:00.360 most people. That's really the best thing, Gary as to 1181 01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:03.239 have it wife by a professional like that. And generally, 1182 01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:05.599 if it's being recycled, you know, there's no cost. You 1183 01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.440 take it there, they take it, they give you a certificate, 1184 01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:10.199 and you know, you can have a hot pretty high 1185 01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:12.880 level of sure. It's at that point that the data 1186 01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:14.199 is going to be destroyed on. 1187 01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:18.480 That and so I mean, if I've got naked pictures 1188 01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:21.159 of myself with the crack pipe and a prostitute, I 1189 01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:23.840 probably want to all right, Dave, let's. 1190 01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:24.840 Take a quick good plan. 1191 01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:27.599 Let's take a quick break and come back and just 1192 01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:30.400 more with Dave had her on the nightcap in moments 1193 01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:33.719 at seven hundred WLW. 1194 01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:36.960 Decision twenty twenty four, the lease for the white House. 1195 01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:40.559 We made a president of the United States who works 1196 01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.639 for all the American dema Kamala Harris. 1197 01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:46.199 We are going to have the four greatest years in 1198 01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:47.400 the history of our country. 1199 01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:50.199 Donald Trump. If we elected you would be a dictator 1200 01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:53.679 on day one. It's an all American glob of democracy. 1201 01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:57.199 We will bring back the American dream, bigger, better and 1202 01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:58.599 stronger than ever before. 1203 01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.639 Listen for the latest Don seven one hundred WLU. 1204 01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:03.480 You're busy, we get it. 1205 01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:05.800 Life moves fast and there's hardly a moment to. 1206 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:10.360 Once again chatting with Dave Hatter, our it guru, our 1207 01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:14.000 tech head, the nerd about stuff you need to look 1208 01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:16.760 out for in the Internet of Things world that we 1209 01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:23.119 live in. There's a new scam that includes pictures of 1210 01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:26.719 your house. Don't fall you know? I could. I could 1211 01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:28.840 go online and find a picture of the house where 1212 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.840 I live right now, just on Google Earth. But some 1213 01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:34.519 people aren't hip to this yet, Dave, so let them 1214 01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:35.440 know what's going on. 1215 01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:40.239 Yeah, So, there have been numerous reports about this. The 1216 01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:43.239 Electronic Frontier Foundation has a good article and explained it 1217 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:46.480 in detail. But it's just another scam, you know, first off, 1218 01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:49.679 and one of the reasons why these large data breach 1219 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.719 is like the National Public data data breach recently are 1220 01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:56.079 really devastating to you as a consumer. Is if I'm 1221 01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:58.360 a bad guy and I can get access to information 1222 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.440 that will increase the legitimacy of my con. You know, 1223 01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:03.280 I send you a spoof email so that looks like 1224 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:05.719 it comes from a legitimate address, And now I have 1225 01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:08.559 information about you that the average person wouldn't know because 1226 01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.480 I gleaned it from one of these these dumps, right, 1227 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:14.199 and think about it, National Public Data. They're a background 1228 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:16.920 check company. Think of the amount of sensitive information the 1229 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:20.599 average background check check company would have on someone. So 1230 01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:23.199 now I have access to all this information that wouldn't 1231 01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:25.599 generally be publicly available. So when I run my con 1232 01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:28.119 on you, I'm going to seem much more authentic. Does 1233 01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:29.719 that Does that make sense what I'm saying. I'll get 1234 01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:34.079 back to the house picture. So my point is, because 1235 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:36.719 there's so much information available about us, the bad guys 1236 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:39.800 out there now, and because they're very crafty and devious 1237 01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:43.039 and innovative, unfortunately, they're constantly coming up with a new scam. 1238 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:44.880 So one of these latest is of take off of 1239 01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:48.480 your sort of standard sextortion scam where they're going to, 1240 01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:50.199 in many cases, try to get you to take a 1241 01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:53.719 picture of yourself in some sort of compromising way that 1242 01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:56.239 they can use against you to then blackmail you. Here 1243 01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:58.599 basically what they're doing. And again I wanted to point 1244 01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:02.679 out that in your comments about the Google Earth are 1245 01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:05.199 really important or the Google Maps. You know, right now, 1246 01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:07.920 Google drives around taking pictures of people's houses. Anyone can 1247 01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:09.800 go online and probably find a picture of my house 1248 01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:13.119 very easily, so you know they will. The scammers can 1249 01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:15.559 take that picture send it to you as part of 1250 01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:18.079 a stoofed email. Now they're social engineering you with some 1251 01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:21.159 con in this case that they've got compromising photos of 1252 01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:23.800 you doing something, you know, at your house, and they 1253 01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:25.639 might throw the picture of your house. Isn't that they 1254 01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:26.719 got off Google. 1255 01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:28.199 Or maybe Zillow or wherever. 1256 01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:30.639 Right there's any number of different places where I could 1257 01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:33.559 probably find a photo of your house. And you know, 1258 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:36.119 if I have a large data breach and I couple 1259 01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:38.880 that with some smart programming, could I send out an 1260 01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:42.960 email to every person's email that is associated with a 1261 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:45.760 specific physical address and look up that photo and include 1262 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:48.159 it to try to convince you that I do actually 1263 01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.400 have photos of you in some compromising way at your house. Yes, 1264 01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:54.559 that is all a very real thing. So I'm not 1265 01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:57.480 saying they're sitting around thinking, hey, let's target Gary Jeff 1266 01:05:57.519 --> 01:05:59.880 Walker today with a photo of his house and telling 1267 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:02.199 we have some compromising photos and we're going to you 1268 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:03.880 don't send us some money, We're going to release them 1269 01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:06.119 on the internet and say this can all be automated. 1270 01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:09.199 Scale now unfortunately, because so much of this data is available, 1271 01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:11.760 and it not only speaks to if you get one 1272 01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:13.920 of these emails with a photo of your house claiming 1273 01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:17.280 they've got compromising photos, if ninety nine percent likelihood at 1274 01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:20.880 a scam, probably ninety nine point nine percent likelihood as 1275 01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:25.559 a scam. But you know, anytime you get an email 1276 01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:28.599 or a text, it's easy to spoof that voicemail. You know, 1277 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:31.199 now you're throw into voice cloning. It's easy to create 1278 01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:33.639 an email that looks like it came from a legitimate source. 1279 01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:36.480 It's easy to copy content from the website. It's easy 1280 01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:38.440 to buy this information off the dark web. So you 1281 01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:41.360 just you've got to be extra skeptical and extra ventulent 1282 01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:44.440 and understand that the comment will take this information that 1283 01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:47.519 is now sadly available without most of us and use 1284 01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:51.360 it to create extra authenticity and extra urgency. You know, 1285 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:53.159 so you're going to be caught off guard and be 1286 01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:55.880 more likely to fall victim of your scam. And honestly, 1287 01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:58.719 Gary Jeff decides the education and awareness like we're doing here, 1288 01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:01.400 your next best to defin is to be super visiant, 1289 01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:04.800 be super skeptical, take up deep breath and just step 1290 01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:07.960 back and say, you know, is this real? Probably not. 1291 01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:10.559 And then generally if you do little research, you're going 1292 01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:13.960 to find very quickly it's almost always a scam. As 1293 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.199 soon as you pay, they're going to sell your information 1294 01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:18.199 to other scammers who will come after you as well, 1295 01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:21.199 because then you've just verified that you're you know, you're 1296 01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:22.039 a target. 1297 01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:26.159 Yeah, I mean again, once you pay extortion money, you'll 1298 01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:29.559 always be paying extortion money, So try not to let 1299 01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:33.760 it happen in the first place. Speaking of scams, a 1300 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.039 lot of people out looking for jobs. I know we 1301 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:39.119 had to do some rosy job numbers out last Friday, 1302 01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:41.119 but we had rosy ones earlier in the year that 1303 01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:43.320 they had to revise downward. But a lot of people 1304 01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.159 are out there looking for jobs right now, Dave, And 1305 01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:49.000 this scam targets people who are looking for jobs with 1306 01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:52.280 fake listings. The FBI has warned about this. Tell me 1307 01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:53.199 a little bit more. 1308 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:56.280 Yeah, I think this is a super important topic because 1309 01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:58.440 I can tell you from first hand experience. I family 1310 01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:00.599 know a lot of people in the job market right now. 1311 01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:04.119 The going is very tough. And yeah, to your point, 1312 01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:06.599 I know the job numbers, whatever they release tend to 1313 01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:09.679 get revised down substantially every time. So I want to 1314 01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:12.159 give a quick plug to two organizations. The Kenton County 1315 01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:15.719 Library has something called the Northern Kentucky Accountability Group, which 1316 01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:19.439 is designed to help job seekers find jobs, improve their resume, 1317 01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:22.279 get new headshots, learn about networking, learn how to use 1318 01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:25.840 social media, learn how to use the resources at the 1319 01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:29.439 library to do research. It's a great organization. I've spoken 1320 01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:31.079 there a couple of times, and basically all you need 1321 01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:33.159 is a kent County Library card. It's free to use 1322 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:35.319 at that point if people are looking for a job. 1323 01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:37.039 I can't stress en up how helpful that is. And 1324 01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:39.359 then also on the Ohio side of the river, the 1325 01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:42.520 Job Search Forum Group JSFG, if you just look it up, 1326 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:45.800 very similar organization. I know lots of volunteers that work 1327 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:47.960 with both of these groups. So if you're looking for 1328 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:49.880 a job, or you're having trouble, you need help with 1329 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:52.359 a resume or whatever. Either one or both of these 1330 01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:54.760 groups great way to network, great way to meet folks 1331 01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:57.039 who can and want them help you. So with that said, 1332 01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:01.000 the FBI has warned about this, and it kind of 1333 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.479 speaks to some of what we've just discussed before. You know, 1334 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:07.680 scams are rampant. They're everywhere. The scammers are smart, they 1335 01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:09.960 want your money. They'll come at you in any way 1336 01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:13.239 and every way they can, which includes things like search 1337 01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:15.239 engine poisoning. I can go to a site like a 1338 01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:17.800 Dice or Monster and I can list a job as 1339 01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:20.600 a scammer. Right I pay. I put my job out there, 1340 01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:23.119 so there's an extra air of authenticity because it's now 1341 01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:26.560 posted on a real job site again, Dice, Monster, Ladders, 1342 01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:29.680 career Builder, pick one and I. You know, so I 1343 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:32.039 find this job and then usually you get sucked down 1344 01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:34.279 some kind of rabbit hole of you know, they can't 1345 01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:36.479 wait to hire you, but oh, we're gonna need you 1346 01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:38.319 to do some training first, and we're gonna need you 1347 01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:39.760 to pay for that training, or you're gonna have to 1348 01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:42.239 buy some equipment, and you're gonna have to pay for 1349 01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:45.560 that equipment and then you'll be reimbursed after we hire you. 1350 01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:48.600 But you know, sometimes it's a little less less elaborate 1351 01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:50.760 than that. They just want to steal some credentials or something. 1352 01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:52.920 But most of the time they're going to run you 1353 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:55.479 down a rabbit hole where they're going to convince you 1354 01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:57.319 that you're going to get some kind of excellent job. 1355 01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:01.960 And again they might use doppelganger websites where they've copied 1356 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.680 someone's real website and set it up. They're linking to 1357 01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:08.039 it from dice. Everything looks legitimate, and then next thing, 1358 01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:10.399 you know, they want you to pay for something. So 1359 01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:12.439 I mean, that's that's one of the biggest red flags. 1360 01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:14.239 And I would say the same thing about recruiters. You know, 1361 01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.079 I've worked with head hunters in the past, as have 1362 01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:18.520 many people. I know, if they want you to pay 1363 01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:21.239 up front, you know, most headhunters get paid by your employer. 1364 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:24.039 They get paid when they help you get employed. The 1365 01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:27.079 employer pays their fee, you know, So right off the bat, 1366 01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:29.720 I would strongly suggest, and I think the FBI would agree, 1367 01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:31.079 if you go read what they have to say, and 1368 01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:33.920 I encourage folks go see what they are saying about this, 1369 01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:36.800 so you'll be you know, more a team to the 1370 01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:39.600 tells of this. But if they want you to pay 1371 01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:42.520 up front for a job, something is wrong, something is 1372 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:45.680 not right, almost guaranteed scam. If it feels too good 1373 01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:48.399 to be true, it probably is. And just understand that. 1374 01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:50.680 You know, whether it's an email telling you about a job, 1375 01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:53.520 someone reaches out to you on LinkedIn, because I get 1376 01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:56.399 that all the time. Oh, your profile looks fantastic and 1377 01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:58.920 you know you have the perfect experience and we would 1378 01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:01.159 like to hire you today, blah blah blah. Usually it's 1379 01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.439 you know, the language is kind of weird, but you 1380 01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:06.039 know they'll come at you from any angle, Gary Jeff. 1381 01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:09.560 And as soon as they'll use legitimate websites to give 1382 01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:12.600 whatever their con is some air of legitimacy. So you've 1383 01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:14.640 got to be aware, you've got to be skeptical. And 1384 01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:17.199 as soon as they ask for money upfront, or they 1385 01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:20.319 never ever want to do any kind of meeting, right, Yeah, 1386 01:11:20.439 --> 01:11:22.239 you know, it's not uncommon now for people to be 1387 01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:24.720 interviewed over zoom or teams or something. But if no 1388 01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:26.640 one can ever meet in person, and I get it 1389 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:28.800 could be a remote job. You know, those are red flags. 1390 01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:31.159 People should go read what the FBI is saying, and 1391 01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:33.800 I would encourage every job seeker out there, you know, 1392 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:36.319 go read what they're saying, and then you know, follow 1393 01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:39.600 them on Twitter or x because they're constantly warning about 1394 01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:41.600 this stuff and putting out great tips that will help 1395 01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.479 you not get scanned. Because really, think about it, Gary Jeff, 1396 01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:48.079 how scummy is it Someone has already down, they already 1397 01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:50.199 have a problem, and now you're going to steal money 1398 01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:51.880 from them while they're looking for a job. I mean, 1399 01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:54.119 come on, it doesn't get too much more than that, No. 1400 01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:57.399 It doesn't. You can hear Dave Hatter every Friday morning 1401 01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:00.840 on fifty five KRC, and like I said, you see 1402 01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.439 him everywhere because he's got the good stuff. He's got 1403 01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:06.359 the goods. And thanks for sharing those goods with us tonight, 1404 01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:07.000 mister Hatter. 1405 01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:10.439 Always my pleasure, Gary Jeff, look forward to chatting with he. 1406 01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:14.000 Against it all right, brother. The Nightcap continues with the 1407 01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:19.319 wild Man coming up and aj Rice Jeff Walker back 1408 01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:22.920 in the saddle and back to talk to my friend 1409 01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:28.279 aj Rice, who was the head of Publius, which is 1410 01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:34.039 absolutely one of the leading in fact, if not one 1411 01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:38.439 of probably the leading publicity firm in the nation. They 1412 01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:40.960 have all kinds of authors and interesting people. And that's 1413 01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:43.000 where I get a lot of guests thanks to a 1414 01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:45.600 courtesy of AJ and Drew and the rest of the 1415 01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:49.319 rest of the White Dudes Not for Harris. The new 1416 01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:53.960 book is the White Privilege Album Publius Prose, Volume two. 1417 01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:58.920 It is so funny the subtitle bringing racial harmony to 1418 01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:03.239 very fine people on both sides once again, AJ Rice, Hello, 1419 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:04.840 and welcome to the Nightcap. 1420 01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:09.439 And I'm not just the White Dudes not for Harris, 1421 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:15.880 uh President, I'm also a client charter founding member of 1422 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:18.640 White Dudes, not for Harris. Big shout out to the 1423 01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:20.880 very fine people out there in this audience. You know 1424 01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:22.479 who you are, all right. 1425 01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:25.319 So the first thing when I when I got my copy, 1426 01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:27.840 by the way, thank you for the book. When I 1427 01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:30.960 got my copy, the first thing I do when I 1428 01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:35.039 turn the inside page is the advance praise for the 1429 01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:39.199 White Privilege Album. And I'm gonna I'm just gonna read 1430 01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:41.039 a couple of these and I'll save the rest for 1431 01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:43.560 those who are gonna actually go out and get the book. 1432 01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:46.119 And you should get it. It's hilarious. If you enjoy 1433 01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:50.680 humor and satire and UH attacks on the UH on 1434 01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:54.399 the current woke culture in America. You will love this book. 1435 01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:55.279 Uh. 1436 01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:58.239 I mean it's it's like, it's better than the Babylon 1437 01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:02.760 b aj It's wonderful. Here it is advance praise for 1438 01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:06.359 the White Privilege Album by AJ Rice. What do you 1439 01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:09.640 mean gen Z doesn't know the Republican Party freed the slaves? 1440 01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:13.319 Are these people dumb? Af They need to write, They 1441 01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:17.399 need to read aj Rice's book. That came from Abraham Lincoln, 1442 01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:20.399 American lawyer, statesman and sixteenth President of the United States, 1443 01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:25.600 shot by a pre Hollywood anti American actor. This is 1444 01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:27.560 frid and I like it. 1445 01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:29.319 There's nothing like getting a blurb from Lincoln. 1446 01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:32.319 No, yeah, I mean you've got a positive blurb from Lincoln. 1447 01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:35.920 There are some more celebrities who chimed in through the 1448 01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:39.960 ages somehow. In twenty twenty four for the White Privilege album. 1449 01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:43.079 Jesus and I have been doing holidays a long time, 1450 01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:46.079 and in his thought provoking new book, aj Rice teaches 1451 01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:49.000 both of us where all the white liberals went. Apparently 1452 01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:52.960 they now celebrate something called Kwanza. Who knew that's from 1453 01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:58.399 Santa Claus cookie eater reindeer tender and white, heteronormative Christian saint. 1454 01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:04.359 How did you get all these all these historical characters? 1455 01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:08.399 Number one, Look, I told Don Junior an RF kid Jr. 1456 01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:10.920 I didn't want their blurbs because I've got Santa Claus 1457 01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:14.079 and I've got Ben Franklin and Abraham Lincoln. 1458 01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:18.199 Jeez. So I wanted to talk to you a couple 1459 01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:20.840 of things that happened over the weekend. Ajay and get 1460 01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:26.960 your read on this. Andrea Mitchell from MSNBC was quoted 1461 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:30.239 over the weekend saying that Kamala Harris needs to do 1462 01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:35.520 more media because she needs to bolster her image with 1463 01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:39.600 men and that and that they don't they don't think 1464 01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:42.279 she's a serious person. Well, the fact of the matter 1465 01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:45.560 is if they don't think she's a serious person, it's 1466 01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:49.439 not misogyny. It's because Kamala Harris is not a serious person, 1467 01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:50.560 that's right. 1468 01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:53.520 And look, she's the you know, second most most unlikable 1469 01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:57.359 woman in history after Hillary. Yeah, and and and has 1470 01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:01.000 half the IQ of Hillary. And and look, you. 1471 01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:03.520 Know she's she's kept men away her whole life. 1472 01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:06.359 We talked about it. She couldn't find a husband until 1473 01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:09.039 she was fifty So, I mean, what do you expect. 1474 01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:12.119 I mean, the American male is not going to be fooled. 1475 01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:12.760 We were not. 1476 01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:15.159 We're out of here just to vote for you because 1477 01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:17.920 of your body parts. And you're you're a Jamaican, and 1478 01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:20.479 you're Canadian, you're Indian, you're this, you're that. 1479 01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:21.399 You know. 1480 01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:24.600 I mean, come on, there's nothing relatable to this woman. 1481 01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:27.880 And she does look like look and we talk about Hillary, right, 1482 01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:32.640 it's gotta be eaten Hillary up looking at this woman, 1483 01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:37.560 the accidental nominee. Hillary actually won a primary. She was 1484 01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:41.560 she won primaries against Obama, then she won primaries against Bernie, 1485 01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:46.239 became the nominee, debated Trump three times. Right, So I 1486 01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:49.680 mean she's I guarantee you if you could get it's 1487 01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:53.399 somehow inside of you know, Hillary, like you know, some 1488 01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:56.359 sort of you could unzip hillary skin suit and you 1489 01:16:56.399 --> 01:16:58.760 could get in there. Now my recommending this, by the way, ladies, 1490 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:02.239 but I'll tell you, if you could get in there 1491 01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:05.600 and see through her eyes. She's looking at Kamala, I 1492 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:09.520 guarantee you all she sees is Monica Lewinsky. 1493 01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:11.159 Speaking speaking of her. 1494 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:16.279 She looks at Kamala, she sees Monica Lewinsky speaking of 1495 01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:18.560 just does Kamala have a blue dress? 1496 01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:20.359 I think I saw her in one, and and I 1497 01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:23.880 didn't see any stains. I didn't like blue. 1498 01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:27.920 She's been wearing these, these outfits, these get ups, and 1499 01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:30.399 I'm sure the audience loves this. Two men talking about 1500 01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:32.760 what women are wearing. But she looks she dresses like 1501 01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:34.119 she's the manager of H and R. 1502 01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:34.439 Block. 1503 01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:38.840 She wears these shirts, these these suits, tops that look 1504 01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:42.279 like Seinfeld's puffy shirt, remember the puffy shirt from sil 1505 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:45.279 looks like a pirate. She looks like a pirate. In fact, 1506 01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:48.319 she is kind of She's kind of a pirate because 1507 01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:49.600 she's here to rob your wallet. 1508 01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:53.680 I hate to confess this, but yes, in that era, 1509 01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:56.680 I was inspired to go out and buy a puffy 1510 01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:01.800 shirt simply because Jerry Seinfeld did on TV. Is Hillary? 1511 01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:06.039 Is Hillary Clinton perhaps the most bitter woman in America ever. 1512 01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:10.720 I mean, she still hasn't gotten over twenty sixteen. She 1513 01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:11.720 still thinks so no. 1514 01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:15.680 No, she ain't gotten over Obama beating her. Oh I know, God, 1515 01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:18.800 I mean Obama beat her like a drum. However, whether 1516 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:23.439 remember when they're standing on stage with Edwards Spaghegy Edwards 1517 01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:27.039 and they're standing up there and they're asking Obama, what 1518 01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:31.479 say something nice about your opponent. Obama goes, you're likable enough. 1519 01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:35.479 You're likable enough. It's one of the greatest things Obama 1520 01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:38.960 ever said. You know Hillary, Yeah, yeah, you're likable enough. 1521 01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:42.439 Oh Joe Bama. 1522 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:45.680 Remember remember she was married to the first black president. 1523 01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:49.079 There she is getting beaten. There, she is getting beaten 1524 01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:51.039 by the second black president. 1525 01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:55.560 So you know, the White Privilege Album is the book A. J. Rice, 1526 01:18:55.680 --> 01:19:01.239 the author from Publius PR Firm. And I gotta ask 1527 01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:04.920 you too about since we're talking about current events, are 1528 01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:09.760 you surprised at all? This actually came from X. I 1529 01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:13.720 saw this from a FEMA meeting, And this is actual 1530 01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:18.239 quotes from a FEMA meeting where they said, first, the 1531 01:19:18.319 --> 01:19:23.960 relief has to go to the LGBTQ population because they've 1532 01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:27.920 already been suffering. They actually said that in a FEMA meeting. 1533 01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:30.039 Does that surprise you at all? 1534 01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:34.239 No, not at all. I'm not shocked. We are now 1535 01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:38.680 we are now identity politics. We are now separating our 1536 01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:43.520 victims based upon sexual orientation. I mean, it is so insane. 1537 01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:46.920 They all need to be sued. This is against equal 1538 01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:50.479 protection clause. It's outrageous. The fact that they sort of 1539 01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:53.600 that they even think this way means that they need 1540 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:58.520 a freaking reset on their gray matter. It's unbelievable. Oh, 1541 01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:01.399 I mean, but then again, I don't really see a 1542 01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:03.880 lot of people come and run and to save North 1543 01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:06.239 Carolina the way I saw them come running to save 1544 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:10.520 the Katrina people. Right, No, So, I mean they're playing 1545 01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:13.960 a little game. They play identity politics with people's lives. 1546 01:20:14.159 --> 01:20:15.840 They should be ashamed of themselves. 1547 01:20:16.399 --> 01:20:19.760 Yeah, FEMA relief is no longer about getting the greatest 1548 01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:23.880 good for the greatest amount of people. It's about disaster equity, 1549 01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:27.640 which I didn't even know existed, the disaster equity. 1550 01:20:28.439 --> 01:20:31.680 And looked, twenty seven out of the twenty nine counties 1551 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:36.279 hit by Helene in North Carolina all voted for Trump. 1552 01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:39.359 Oh yeah, so you just do the freaking math. I mean, 1553 01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:40.159 are you kidding me? 1554 01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:40.880 You can't know? 1555 01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:41.439 You should? 1556 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:43.880 We need to go down there and start putting signs 1557 01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:46.479 up welcome to Ukraine and maybe they'll move fastest. 1558 01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:54.000 Speaking of Joe Biden and Kamala and how Hillary hates 1559 01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:59.520 Obama and he hates Kamala because she sees Monica Lewinsky, 1560 01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:03.960 Joe Biden running rough shot over Kamala when she was 1561 01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:07.079 when he came out for the first time in his 1562 01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:10.880 presidency to the White House Press Corps to answer questions 1563 01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:15.800 and bigfoot her and tie her to everything that administration 1564 01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:18.680 has done. That was, I mean, you want to talk 1565 01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:21.880 about bitter people, Joe Biden, Joe. 1566 01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:25.840 Biden where Yeah, well look, but in fairness to him, 1567 01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:27.920 he didn't really know where he was. He had never 1568 01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:30.239 been in that room. There was an audible gasp when 1569 01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:32.039 he entered it. You know, I think he thought he 1570 01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:35.520 was like Uncle Miltie's bar right in Wilmington, at the 1571 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.800 pub on the corner with corn pop, and he's just 1572 01:21:38.920 --> 01:21:41.800 start to you know, all this and hey, everybody, you 1573 01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:44.119 know all this terrible crap We've been doing here for 1574 01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:46.880 four years. She was the author of all of it. 1575 01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:47.880 So write that down. 1576 01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:51.920 I love I love the book. The way you you 1577 01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:55.560 do the chapters as a track listing on an actual album. 1578 01:21:55.680 --> 01:21:56.880 That that was brilliant. 1579 01:21:57.560 --> 01:21:58.359 Uh. 1580 01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:01.560 Number one is jan Privilege. And you do it months 1581 01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:03.039 to months and have. 1582 01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:05.560 All these tee months of privilege. 1583 01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:08.199 The twelve months of privilege for very fine people on 1584 01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:08.960 both sides. 1585 01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:10.279 That's right. 1586 01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:16.439 Obama's dreams of my woke nightmare, and. 1587 01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:18.720 Well, you go through the book, you know, the first 1588 01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:22.000 chapter of January in the last December. So we go 1589 01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:25.600 through an entire calendar year of craziness, and you know, 1590 01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:29.720 we touch on different historical events that take place, some 1591 01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:32.239 of which have become holidays. So we cover everything from 1592 01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:36.159 you know, June teenth to Halloween, and we have some 1593 01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:38.199 fun with it. You know, you go to October, you 1594 01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:41.079 get Columbus Day, you get Halloween. You find out how 1595 01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:43.119 I want to dress up like a black guy for Halloween, 1596 01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:46.680 but they won't let me. You know, all through the eighties, 1597 01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:49.039 I was dressed up like Doctor J for Halloween. Now 1598 01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:49.680 they won't let me. 1599 01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:54.319 I thought I was Doctor J when I was when 1600 01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:57.159 I was a teenager, I wanted to beat Doctor J 1601 01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:00.279 so bad. Hey, brother, I haven't had the natural fro. 1602 01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:01.520 I mean I didn't have to. 1603 01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:03.479 I'm talking about Oh yeah, come on. 1604 01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:06.960 The only problem was, you know, the only problem was 1605 01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:09.800 I had an eighteen inch vertical leap. Maybe at best. 1606 01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:15.520 Here it is. Here's another heading of one of these 1607 01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:20.760 privileged track listings. White splaining is super fun. Everyone should 1608 01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:21.760 try it. 1609 01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.920 It's amaz, it's amazing. White's planning is one of the funniest. Look. 1610 01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:29.600 They have created a whole sort of you know, sub 1611 01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:34.560 language with this wokeness, right yeah, I mean, and there's 1612 01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:38.000 nothing more fun than deriding them for it. 1613 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:38.920 Right. 1614 01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:43.399 White explaining is basically, you know something that some dummy 1615 01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:47.600 doesn't know. And your ancestors happened to be from Western Europe, 1616 01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:51.000 so you're White's plaining to them. Now, now you're a dummy, 1617 01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:54.039 and I'm here to explain to you. Where to plug 1618 01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:58.840 the extension cord is ridiculous, you know, and everybody knows 1619 01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:00.840 where to plug the extension courts At the back of 1620 01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:04.159 Joe Biden's rear rant. That's where the extension court goes. 1621 01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:06.039 That's the only thing that keeps him going. 1622 01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:09.720 You know what, You make so many great valid points 1623 01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:13.359 in the White Privilege album, aj Rice, But I just 1624 01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:18.600 turned to this. I'm on page seventy six, and you're 1625 01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:23.680 talking about celebrating the great emancipator of America's pastime, and 1626 01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:27.600 you talk about how Major League Baseball rightly celebrates Jackie 1627 01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:31.399 Robinson Day, but there should be another celebration in Major 1628 01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:34.359 League Baseball branch Ricky Day, because he was the guy 1629 01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:37.720 who had the kahunas and guts to step out. I mean, 1630 01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:40.239 there are very very funny things in this book. I 1631 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:42.800 guess my point is, but there are some very very 1632 01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:47.119 serious points you make that have been ignored by the 1633 01:24:47.199 --> 01:24:51.159 people who who write the revisionist history in America. 1634 01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:54.439 Sure, and I do get into a lot of different 1635 01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:57.880 aspects of sports, everything from Jim Brown to Aaron Judge 1636 01:24:58.159 --> 01:25:02.159 of the New York Yankees, and you know, it's one 1637 01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:03.720 of the great's supposed to Sports is supposed to be 1638 01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:06.239 one of the great equalizers. And obviously our sports media 1639 01:25:06.319 --> 01:25:08.880 is as left wing as our political media, and they 1640 01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:12.119 are constantly trying to divide us. 1641 01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:12.760 You know. 1642 01:25:13.439 --> 01:25:17.840 They never liked the fact that Derek Jeter would not 1643 01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:20.399 put his blackfist in the air. They don't like when 1644 01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:24.840 Michael Jordan says Republicans by sneakers too. They don't like that. 1645 01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:27.640 They don't like it. It's off script. They want you 1646 01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:31.119 to stay on script. And the script is sixteen nineteen 1647 01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:35.640 project black Lives Matter, black national anthem at the football games, 1648 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:39.039 get on the ground with Kaepernick and shut your mouth. 1649 01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:43.800 And that's not what this country's supposed to be. You know. Recently, 1650 01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:46.319 it's not in the book, but a recent example is 1651 01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:50.439 they're all over Patrick Mahomes because he won't weigh in 1652 01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:54.119 on every single little political issue, right because his wife 1653 01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:57.359 like like some Donald Trump post. You know, when you 1654 01:25:57.359 --> 01:25:59.319 look at Patrick Mahomes, who's got a white mom and 1655 01:25:59.359 --> 01:26:01.279 a black dad. He's married to a white woman, which 1656 01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:04.439 makes his two children a quarter black. That we're keeping 1657 01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:09.319 track of this stuff like insane people. Okay, only insane 1658 01:26:09.319 --> 01:26:12.399 people do this, you know, Irish people. We just keep 1659 01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:14.640 track of how many shots we've had before we fall. 1660 01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:19.840 That's what we keep track of. And and look Mahomes, 1661 01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:22.399 who's amazing. He's become the face of the league now 1662 01:26:22.399 --> 01:26:24.880 the Brady's gone. He doesn't want to get in on it. 1663 01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:26.640 He doesn't want to weigh in on it. And all 1664 01:26:26.680 --> 01:26:30.039 those little left wing race bader hacks out there at 1665 01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:34.359 the Atlantic and on freaking ESPN, they're all mad that 1666 01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:36.680 he won't put the black fist in the air. It's 1667 01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:40.600 just ridiculous. I mean, Mahomes and his family. Isn't that 1668 01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:44.239 sort of the prototype of what Martin Luther King was 1669 01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:47.600 talking about, that we're all just eventually become one people 1670 01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:49.319 and we'll marry this one and that one, and that, 1671 01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:51.880 you know, isn't that what we're supposed to do here. 1672 01:26:52.119 --> 01:26:54.319 The Irish and the Italians used to hate each other. 1673 01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:55.600 Now we're all married to each. 1674 01:26:55.479 --> 01:27:00.520 Other, which makes for some very he makes some very 1675 01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:07.399 interesting dinner parties at the look. No, no, you know 1676 01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:10.119 what you mentioned, of course, And how could you not 1677 01:27:10.359 --> 01:27:14.000 mention if you're talking about wet WoT culture in America 1678 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:19.239 and the politicians who are exploiting that, like Elizabeth Warren. 1679 01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:22.079 You know the old joke about Elizabeth Warren. You never 1680 01:27:22.119 --> 01:27:25.239 buy a car from Elizabeth Warren because it'll be advertised 1681 01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:27.000 as a red Cherokee. You get there and it's a 1682 01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:32.319 white suburban. That's right. The book is the White Privilege 1683 01:27:32.399 --> 01:27:36.840 Album Publius Pros. Volume two, bringing racial harmony to very 1684 01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:40.680 fine people on both sides. The author is aj Rice, 1685 01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:43.000 and there's a forward by one of my favorite people, 1686 01:27:43.119 --> 01:27:46.680 Vincent Everard Albert. I've had Vee on my show a 1687 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:50.119 number of times and let him know I'm looking for 1688 01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:54.479 another interview soon before election. All right, aj Rice, thank 1689 01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:57.159 you for your time. Brother. I really do appreciate you, man, 1690 01:27:57.279 --> 01:27:58.000 I appreciate it. 1691 01:27:58.199 --> 01:27:59.359 Everybody get out there and vote. 1692 01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:01.960 Let's do this, yep. And after you vote, by the 1693 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:06.640 white Privilege album do It? Thanks AJ, It's the Nightcap 1694 01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:09.359 and the wild Man. Not that that wasn't a wild 1695 01:28:09.399 --> 01:28:13.399 Man Coming up AFTERNOWS On seven hundred WLW. 1696 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:17.399 Rocky year with a reminder, if you miss a part 1697 01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:19.680 of the Eddie and Rocky Show, you can always catch 1698 01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:21.960 the podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 1699 01:28:21.720 --> 01:28:22.720 And hear what you missed. 1700 01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:25.680 Also, if you listen to the podcast while you're in bed, 1701 01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:27.880 it feels like Eddie and I are snuggling with you, 1702 01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:29.560 and that's kind of nice. 1703 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.359 Deep in the back of your mind, you've always had 1704 01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:34.880 the feeling that there's something strange about reality. 1705 01:28:35.479 --> 01:28:40.159 There is Man Walker on my phone. Wild Man, Welcome 1706 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:43.000 back to the Cap. On seven hundred WLW. How are 1707 01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:46.359 you this evening? Good sir, Always glad to be with you. 1708 01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:47.720 Happy Monday night. 1709 01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:53.880 Happy Monday night. Indeed, first off, foremost we're talking about 1710 01:28:53.920 --> 01:28:58.319 Terry Francona. We're talking about the Cincinnati Rads. You actually 1711 01:28:59.680 --> 01:29:03.039 hope that this would happen, and Tito was coming out 1712 01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:07.199 of retirement to manage the Cincinnati Redgs in twenty twenty five. 1713 01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:11.840 Your thoughts as soon as it was announced that the 1714 01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:16.439 Reds had let David Bell leave. I had it out 1715 01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:19.600 on Facebook. Hier Terry Francona, Hier Terry. 1716 01:29:19.479 --> 01:29:22.640 Franconack you told me ed, Yeah, And. 1717 01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:24.680 Gary jump Ike said that they should have hired him, 1718 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:27.920 you know, ten years fit twelve years ago before they 1719 01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:30.079 hired Dusty Baker. But they didn't listen to me this 1720 01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:32.079 time they did. But I got to tell you this 1721 01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:35.680 right out of the gate. The jersey number that Terry 1722 01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:42.560 Francona will wear number seventy seven, seven times seven equals fourteen. 1723 01:29:43.039 --> 01:29:44.439 How's that for an omen. 1724 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:50.000 It's always it was always a Pete Rose time continuum 1725 01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:52.399 with you, no matter what you're talking, you always go 1726 01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:53.840 back to Rose baby. 1727 01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:58.760 And he played under Pete. Oh yeah, eighty seven. Yeah, 1728 01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:00.520 he played under Pete. 1729 01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:02.000 How about that? 1730 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:05.479 I think I think Terry did that for a reason. 1731 01:30:07.399 --> 01:30:10.560 Well, I mean yeah, it's quite possible. I mean, why not. 1732 01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:16.439 But just your thoughts on his health. Apparently he's ready 1733 01:30:16.439 --> 01:30:19.439 to take that challenge on again, even though he said 1734 01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:23.800 he he retired for health reasons when he left Cleveland 1735 01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:27.439 and all of that. But this is a Hall of 1736 01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:33.600 Fame manager who is coming to this moribund franchise with 1737 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:38.439 you know, great history, great past, but not a recent past. 1738 01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:41.960 That many can be proud of and talk about, even 1739 01:30:42.520 --> 01:30:44.880 a member of the lifelong member of the rail gang 1740 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:49.279 like you, wild man. So what does Terry Francona bring 1741 01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:54.560 besides wisdom and the pedigree and and can he really 1742 01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:55.479 turned this around? 1743 01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:58.800 Well, he's a winner. He's a winner. I mean, two 1744 01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:02.199 World Series titles, won the most games ever in the 1745 01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:05.479 history of the Cleveland Indians. I'll never say that other 1746 01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:07.399 name of the team or reviews to do and it 1747 01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:11.720 will never do it chief while lives forever. He's He's 1748 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:14.359 a winner, man, He's a winner. I know for a 1749 01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:17.279 fact that Terry Francona watched a lot of Reds games 1750 01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:19.399 this year. I know for a fact that he did, 1751 01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:21.119 and he sees the core of the team. We've got 1752 01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:24.640 some good players still, We've got some good players, but 1753 01:31:24.680 --> 01:31:26.800 you got to have some other players to help it out. 1754 01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:30.600 And he'll he'll get the guys to be held accountable. 1755 01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:32.840 They have to be. I guess that's one of David 1756 01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:35.119 Bell's false I don't know nobody has really come out 1757 01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:37.960 and set it directly, but I think Jonathan India kind 1758 01:31:37.960 --> 01:31:42.199 of did. But they they've got a winner and Terry Franconan. 1759 01:31:42.239 --> 01:31:44.840 They really do. It's not gonna, that's gonna. We would 1760 01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:47.600 like to see it happen immediately. You never know, but 1761 01:31:47.840 --> 01:31:50.680 let's be patient. He's here for three years, I believe, 1762 01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:53.279 with an option. But they've got a hell of a 1763 01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:54.239 lot of hell of a manager. 1764 01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:55.560 We really do, they really do. 1765 01:31:55.640 --> 01:31:57.479 They're really They're lucky to get them, they really are. 1766 01:31:57.640 --> 01:31:59.600 You mentioned that the Reds do have good players, and 1767 01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:03.560 I agree with you. Which of the players are the 1768 01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:07.600 current Reds roster? Do you think are Terry francona kind 1769 01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:12.439 of players that can contribute to this winning season? If 1770 01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:15.960 the Reds can think about that, Who are who are? 1771 01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:19.159 Who are t well? Well? 1772 01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:21.920 For Welford, Jonathan India is one we sure because he 1773 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:27.560 always plays hard. That's that's a definite. Uh. Jake Freeley, definitely, 1774 01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:30.039 he plays hard all the time. Elie de la Cruz, 1775 01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:32.199 I mean that guy has one motor and that's always 1776 01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:35.199 to go out. So he's got, you know, some guys 1777 01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:37.399 to lean on. And then of course you know, he's 1778 01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:40.119 really good with young players. I mean, I think I 1779 01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:42.800 heard Marty Branahan say that he's really good with young 1780 01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:45.079 players and he knows how to handle the veteran players. 1781 01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:47.079 To give him a kick in the button when they're needed, 1782 01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:50.000 or pat him on the shoulder when when it's needed. 1783 01:32:50.039 --> 01:32:52.520 They were the reds at a Grand Slam. With this 1784 01:32:52.600 --> 01:32:55.720 higher they really have. I mean a manager is only 1785 01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:58.680 good maybe for five six seven wins a year. I 1786 01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:00.920 mean that's when you break it down. But those five 1787 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:03.680 six or seven wins could get him into the playoffs. 1788 01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:06.319 Oh no, no doubt about it. How did how did 1789 01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:08.399 you feel about you? He said they should have hired 1790 01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:12.279 Terry Francona before they hired Dusty Baker. How do you 1791 01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:15.159 How do you feel looking back on on Dusty Baker's tenure. 1792 01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:18.039 I mean he got he got him to the play playoffs, 1793 01:33:18.039 --> 01:33:22.319 but they could never win uh in the playoffs? Uh? 1794 01:33:22.399 --> 01:33:26.159 So I mean compare the two because Dusty Baker was 1795 01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:29.600 successful during the regular season everywhere he ever managed. 1796 01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:30.479 Uh. 1797 01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:34.159 Terry Francona has been successful, obviously, winning a couple of 1798 01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:38.399 World Series rings in Boston and getting Cleveland right up 1799 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:44.000 to the precipice of that greatness. Your your thoughts remembering 1800 01:33:44.039 --> 01:33:47.359 back to Dusty Baker and what he brought to I was. 1801 01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:49.600 Never I wasn't a big Dusty Baker fan at all, 1802 01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:51.479 not at all. I mean I was against the hiring. 1803 01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:54.359 I said they should have They weren't gonna we weren't 1804 01:33:54.399 --> 01:33:57.479 going to hire Pete. I wanted Pete mccannon, who really 1805 01:33:57.520 --> 01:33:59.119 kind of took the bull by the horns and had 1806 01:33:59.119 --> 01:34:02.520 a winning record as interfim manager after they after they 1807 01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:05.319 let Brian Price go. But you know, Dusty did a 1808 01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:07.199 good job and he'll be in the Redgs Hall of Fame. 1809 01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:09.880 He did a fine job. But it seemed, it seemed 1810 01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:13.239 to me, Gary, Jeff, I'm not really seeing It's obvious 1811 01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:16.000 it was right there. He changed his managing style when 1812 01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:18.319 they got in the playoffs for some reason. He wasn't 1813 01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:20.920 the same manager as he was during the Raidar season. 1814 01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:23.079 And you can't do that. You can't. It's like you're 1815 01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:26.159 changing horses and mystery and it never works, never has. 1816 01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:28.439 And he just couldn't get him over the hump. You 1817 01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:30.079 just couldn't get him over the ump. And I'll let 1818 01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:32.800 me tell you this. Had they not had that rain 1819 01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:36.239 delay in Cleveland, Hary Frank come to it, had another 1820 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:38.800 World Series rain because the role as Chapman was on 1821 01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:40.880 the verge of being Steve Bartman number two. 1822 01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:46.680 All right, Well, uh here we let's do one more 1823 01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:49.159 thing here, because we talked about this the last time 1824 01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:52.560 we chatted, I believe, was about moving La de la 1825 01:34:52.640 --> 01:34:56.560 Cruz to center field with that arm and the speed 1826 01:34:56.640 --> 01:35:00.840 he has. Uh what I I mean, what do the 1827 01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:03.640 Reds have to do? Is Matt McLain going to be 1828 01:35:03.680 --> 01:35:05.960 a part of this if he's healthy next year? And 1829 01:35:06.279 --> 01:35:09.680 can they move la out into uh out into center fills? 1830 01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:09.800 Well? 1831 01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:11.800 I think I think that makes sense. So the ground 1832 01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:13.960 that guy can cover in the arm that he has, now, 1833 01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:16.880 would he be willing to do it? Hey, if you're 1834 01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:19.079 a team player, you'd be willing to do it. Pete 1835 01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:22.239 Rose would move to any position for the team. Did 1836 01:35:22.239 --> 01:35:24.359 he not? Did he not move to from leftfield to 1837 01:35:24.399 --> 01:35:26.439 third base so George Foster can play? 1838 01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:27.039 Yeah? 1839 01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:30.359 Did he not move to the leftfield so Tommy Hens 1840 01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:33.560 could play? I mean, Ellie Day La Cruise a team 1841 01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:36.359 player and if you're if you're a shortstop, you can 1842 01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:39.760 play center field. Eric Davis started out as a short stop, 1843 01:35:39.800 --> 01:35:42.399 played centerfield. Now the Rets have been quiet about this. 1844 01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:45.000 Maybe they'll address this when he gets the spring training. 1845 01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:48.119 It all hedges Gary jeff on the health of Matt McClain, 1846 01:35:48.239 --> 01:35:52.039 who is a natural shortstop. He will not make those 1847 01:35:52.079 --> 01:35:54.720 thirty eight errors at shortstop. There's no way he will. 1848 01:35:55.039 --> 01:35:56.960 But will they move Ellie day La Cruise. To me, 1849 01:35:57.000 --> 01:35:59.680 it's a no brainer and they should do it. Just 1850 01:35:59.720 --> 01:36:01.199 do it now'll just. 1851 01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:05.119 Do it well. Injuries have played as much a part in, 1852 01:36:07.039 --> 01:36:10.000 you know, the Reds not performing. I mean, they did 1853 01:36:10.279 --> 01:36:15.840 obviously almost make five hundred this year, but they got 1854 01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:18.079 to do much better than that if we're going to 1855 01:36:18.159 --> 01:36:22.640 return to the days of glory at Great American Ballpark. 1856 01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:25.359 Any final thoughts on the Reds because we're going to 1857 01:36:25.439 --> 01:36:28.239 move to the Bengals here in just a moment, one. 1858 01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:30.720 And fifty five days, I believe to open a day, 1859 01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:31.199 Let's go. 1860 01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:36.119 Wild Man's always chomping at the bit for more Reds 1861 01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:42.439 baseball and Terry francona Jersey seventy seven seven plus seven 1862 01:36:42.520 --> 01:36:45.199 equals what wild Man fourteen? 1863 01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:47.159 It's an omen, baby, It's an omen. 1864 01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:51.680 All right, we'll talk about Bengals and the one and 1865 01:36:51.800 --> 01:36:55.840 four start and yesterday's game here in just a moment. 1866 01:36:55.920 --> 01:36:59.479 As we put the rap on this nightcap on seven hundred, 1867 01:36:59.600 --> 01:37:04.960 wa I thought, maybe, just maybe I don't have any experience, 1868 01:37:05.479 --> 01:37:07.840 but I could have held that ball that snap a 1869 01:37:07.880 --> 01:37:11.479 little bit better than Ricode did yesterday in the Bengals 1870 01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:14.239 loss and what turned out to be the defining play 1871 01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:20.880 of that overtime loss to the Baltimore Ravens yesterday at 1872 01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:23.760 pay Court Stadium. I know you had to be just 1873 01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:28.199 like like all Bengals fans, you had to be just 1874 01:37:28.199 --> 01:37:32.680 just chewing your heart out, eating your heart out at 1875 01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:36.399 the end of that game, after such a superb performance 1876 01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:40.520 by Joe Burrow in the offense, and again you expect 1877 01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:45.199 the Bengals defense to not have, you know, an ability 1878 01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:47.640 to stop the run because they have an all season long, 1879 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:51.159 and Lamar Jackson made him look foolish at the wrong times, 1880 01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:54.520 and they did a pretty good job with Derrick Henry. 1881 01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:57.760 But in the end, it was not to be Bengals fans. 1882 01:37:57.800 --> 01:38:00.680 They start the season one and four with only an 1883 01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:05.279 eyelashes chance of even contemplating the playoffs. Now zero and 1884 01:38:05.359 --> 01:38:08.279 three at home. It's just it's just turned out to 1885 01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:11.840 be such a disaster of season, and Joe Burrow's been healthy. 1886 01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:13.560 Explain what happened? 1887 01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:19.720 Well, I get you got about an hour, Well. 1888 01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:22.640 We got about eight minutes, So go ahead, Oh. 1889 01:38:22.079 --> 01:38:24.880 Oh, Gary, Jeff, I mean, when you score thirty eight points, 1890 01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:27.079 you should win every game. If you look at the 1891 01:38:27.159 --> 01:38:31.199 last three games the Bengals have played, those those were 1892 01:38:31.279 --> 01:38:32.800 you know, they did win one of them, but they 1893 01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:35.880 were very winnable. The New England Patriots game, that was 1894 01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:39.600 a simple case of head coach Zach Taylor not having 1895 01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:42.399 the guys ready to play the very first game of 1896 01:38:42.439 --> 01:38:45.199 the year like he has the last four seasons. Now, 1897 01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:48.520 now we're gonna we're gonna come down hard. I'm sure 1898 01:38:48.840 --> 01:38:52.800 on the uh on the the placeholder for the attempted 1899 01:38:52.840 --> 01:38:55.880 field goal, but that that was just a dumb call 1900 01:38:56.920 --> 01:38:59.119 to try to kick a field goal from that distance. 1901 01:38:59.399 --> 01:39:02.560 They had three chances. They didn't even attempt to throw 1902 01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:06.479 a pass. Now, Zach Tailor made a name a lame 1903 01:39:06.560 --> 01:39:09.000 comment about the Joe was given the chance to throw it, 1904 01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:11.760 but he checked off. But he still had two other chances. 1905 01:39:11.960 --> 01:39:16.960 You have two receivers with four touchdowns, amazing, one receiver 1906 01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:19.520 with almost two hundred yards, and you got a quarterback. 1907 01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:22.800 You're paying fifty five million dollars. You put it in 1908 01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:25.279 the hands of the quarterback. Do you think do you 1909 01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:29.760 think that the head coach of the Chiefs would be 1910 01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:32.000 going for a field goal and he's got Patrick Mahomes 1911 01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:35.039 back there. Come on, man, you put it in the 1912 01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:37.920 hands of your quarterback. He already threw from aulmost four 1913 01:39:37.960 --> 01:39:42.479 hundred yards. Terrible decision, just terrible. And that's typical of 1914 01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:46.520 Zach Taylor. He's never aggressive. He always plays passive, and 1915 01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:49.119 passive will get you to lose every damn time. 1916 01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:53.239 Well and again, these running plays right up the middle 1917 01:39:53.239 --> 01:39:56.159 into the heart of that Baltimore defense. They're the number 1918 01:39:56.159 --> 01:39:58.840 one rushing defense in the NFL. What were all those 1919 01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:02.880 running plays straight up the guy that the Bengals were attempting. 1920 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:05.520 Well, you tell me. And what's the point of having 1921 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:08.479 an offensive coordinator if he's not going to call the plays. 1922 01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:10.760 I mean, you can save that money and maybe pick 1923 01:40:10.840 --> 01:40:13.079 up an extra player and for the for the team. 1924 01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:15.760 I mean this this falls in the hands of the 1925 01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:18.880 head coach. It does. This loss was on Zach Taylor. 1926 01:40:19.319 --> 01:40:22.560 Zach Taylor's play calling his atrocious And you know what, 1927 01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:25.760 the majority of Bengal fans are seeing this now. They 1928 01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:28.439 are really seeing this now. And let's let's put this 1929 01:40:28.479 --> 01:40:30.920 out here for you. When he was offensive coordinator at 1930 01:40:30.920 --> 01:40:33.840 Miami for the Dolphins, he's stunk and he was the 1931 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:37.640 offensive coordinator at UC. He's stunk. He's not a very 1932 01:40:37.720 --> 01:40:40.279 he cannot call the plays. He cannot He's not good 1933 01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:42.279 at it, especially in crunch time. 1934 01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:47.520 Yeah time. I find his play calling very offensive and 1935 01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:49.640 no good, no good, get you. 1936 01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:52.199 And how about the way this game I'm pooled it 1937 01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:55.800 where you know, just before the Ravens kick the game 1938 01:40:55.840 --> 01:40:59.239 winning field goal, but Lamar Jackson, he bubbles the ball. 1939 01:40:59.479 --> 01:41:02.880 He's flushed out of the pocket. I know, Sam Hubbard 1940 01:41:02.920 --> 01:41:05.680 almost has them, falls down, and he runs to the 1941 01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:08.720 right side of the field and throws the ball across 1942 01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:13.319 the field aka Dwight Clark Joe Montana for a touchdown 1943 01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:17.359 the same play, almost almost the same play, well when 1944 01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:20.560 nobody there to jump up a knock the receiver. 1945 01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:23.359 Down or whatever when he fumbled that snap. It seems 1946 01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:27.479 like the more chaotic things are at the line of scrimmage, 1947 01:41:27.479 --> 01:41:29.920 the better Lamar Jackson is. Don't you agree? 1948 01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:35.159 Oh? Absolutely, absolutely right. I remember Fran targets him. That 1949 01:41:35.199 --> 01:41:38.239 guy would drive you crazy running around. Guys couldn't catch him. 1950 01:41:38.319 --> 01:41:40.960 And this is the way Lamar Jackson is. It's hard 1951 01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:43.399 to break the guy down because he's got as quick 1952 01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:43.680 as a. 1953 01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:47.720 Cat Well, and plus he's a lot larger than Fran 1954 01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:52.439 Tarkington and a lot more a lot more physically athletic 1955 01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:55.359 than Fran. Target Fran was a scrambler. He was the 1956 01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:59.960 all time scrambler. But there's also the fact that Lamar Jackson, 1957 01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:02.960 I'm sure no one has forgotten, this was the league's 1958 01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:07.159 MVP last year, and he just demonstrated why again yesterday 1959 01:42:07.520 --> 01:42:12.520 in those crucial game ending situations and all this kind. 1960 01:42:12.359 --> 01:42:14.399 Of hard fact that you know, Joe Burrow fifty five 1961 01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:17.079 million dollars, the games on the line are on the 1962 01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:19.560 thirty eight yard line, and you don't accept one or 1963 01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:21.640 two passes. I mean, they put it in the hands 1964 01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:24.920 of a kicker. Oh man, you know, uh, you know. 1965 01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:26.000 Don't don't. 1966 01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:29.239 Don't people realize history sometimes, you know, this the this 1967 01:42:29.399 --> 01:42:32.800 the Buffalo Bills put in the hands of Scott Norwood. 1968 01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:35.600 It was really it was beyond his capabilities, and he 1969 01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:38.600 kicked it right a wide right. I mean, come on, well, okay, 1970 01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:40.279 don't put the game in the hands of the kicker 1971 01:42:40.359 --> 01:42:42.680 unless you really have to, and they didn't have to 1972 01:42:43.039 --> 01:42:46.159 in that situation. It was a it was very stupid. 1973 01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:50.119 All it was stupid in all fairness. Evan McPherson has 1974 01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:52.079 proven that he can hit that that length of a 1975 01:42:52.119 --> 01:42:55.319 field goal. You said Scott Norwood didn't have the capability. 1976 01:42:55.560 --> 01:42:58.800 Evan McPherson has proven he's got the capability. But the 1977 01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:02.840 bad snap, I mean, and the and the mishold you 1978 01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:04.920 know right there, you can you can point to any 1979 01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:06.680 number of things towards them. 1980 01:43:07.960 --> 01:43:10.000 They should have got the ball up closer and they didn't 1981 01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:14.600 even attempt. And then Gary Jaffer, Jamar Chase and t 1982 01:43:14.800 --> 01:43:17.840 Higgins both came out after the game and said, you 1983 01:43:17.880 --> 01:43:19.479 know that we probably should have thrown the ball a 1984 01:43:19.479 --> 01:43:22.319 couple of times. And when you got players questioning the 1985 01:43:22.319 --> 01:43:25.479 head coach, there's a problem there. Now there's a problem. 1986 01:43:26.279 --> 01:43:29.720 Well, uh, you know what now, now look ahead to 1987 01:43:29.960 --> 01:43:31.479 uh next week. 1988 01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:35.279 And don't say it, and don't say it. The New 1989 01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:38.399 York Giants, Okay, that's what they are, the New York Giants. 1990 01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:41.279 I don't know who started this New York football giants, 1991 01:43:41.319 --> 01:43:43.359 but you can there's a whole generation. I have no 1992 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:46.279 idea that the New York Giants Originally, you know, there 1993 01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:48.680 was a team in New York played baseball and they 1994 01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:51.119 moved to San Francisco and then somebody decided to take 1995 01:43:51.119 --> 01:43:53.439 it upon themselves to say the football and the team 1996 01:43:53.479 --> 01:43:56.760 now it's the New York Football Giants. That's so damn dumb. 1997 01:43:57.399 --> 01:44:01.079 That's so damn dumb. They're the New York Giants period. 1998 01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:04.359 You you you get wanked out at the weirdest stuff. 1999 01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:07.199 But I understand what you're saying, uh so, And the 2000 01:44:07.279 --> 01:44:12.319 New York Giants that you're talking about, they beat a 2001 01:44:12.399 --> 01:44:16.359 three and one Seattle team yesterday, So the path doesn't 2002 01:44:16.359 --> 01:44:18.199 get any easier for the Bengals. 2003 01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:20.760 No. I heard your boy Willie is saying. We had 2004 01:44:20.760 --> 01:44:22.680 a lot of easy games coming up. There are no 2005 01:44:22.800 --> 01:44:26.199 easy games for this football team because of the defense. 2006 01:44:26.239 --> 01:44:28.920 And it looks like we just lost Das Hill of 2007 01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:30.680 ACL so he's out. 2008 01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:30.960 For the year. 2009 01:44:31.079 --> 01:44:33.359 So just the hits just keep on coming on the 2010 01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:36.199 defensive side. I mean, Joe Burrow, you look at his 2011 01:44:36.279 --> 01:44:39.760 numbers right now, MVP numbers. Put the ball in the 2012 01:44:39.760 --> 01:44:41.920 hands of the quarterback. Why did you draft the guy 2013 01:44:42.079 --> 01:44:44.680 number one? You're paying him all that medians, he said 2014 01:44:45.159 --> 01:44:47.640 Patrick Mahomes, he would have just been chopping at the 2015 01:44:47.680 --> 01:44:51.479 bit with a chance like that, get the the ball 2016 01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:53.479 downfield to get a better shot. At the field. Well, 2017 01:44:53.560 --> 01:44:54.720 I mean makes me so mad. 2018 01:44:54.840 --> 01:44:57.960 Can the Bengals, uh make a trade for Andy Reid? 2019 01:45:01.039 --> 01:45:01.079 No? 2020 01:45:01.239 --> 01:45:02.560 But how about Bill Belichick? 2021 01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:07.840 Oh? Oh, I know Bill's out there, He's on the beach. 2022 01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:11.439 He's out there. But that's not happening. And the only way, 2023 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.640 the only way. And I look, I don't you know. 2024 01:45:14.680 --> 01:45:17.600 I don't hate Zach Taylor. I mean, please, let's not 2025 01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:20.319 go there. I don't like his play calling. He's done 2026 01:45:20.319 --> 01:45:23.439 a great job creating a great culture in a locker 2027 01:45:23.479 --> 01:45:26.359 room that was what really needed at the time. Again, 2028 01:45:26.399 --> 01:45:28.479 he's really created a great culture, and he's been involved 2029 01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:30.720 with some really good draft choices. But as a play 2030 01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:32.520 caller and him go back to the Super Bowl when 2031 01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:35.000 they went forward on fourth and one at midfield, which 2032 01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:37.640 was dumb that early in the game you play field position. 2033 01:45:37.920 --> 01:45:40.560 Of course, the play failed and the Rams went down 2034 01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:42.760 score a touchdown, and of course the Bengals lost. But 2035 01:45:42.800 --> 01:45:44.520 I think it was six points or seven points. But 2036 01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:48.159 that nut's neither here or there. But his play calling, 2037 01:45:48.680 --> 01:45:51.079 it's just getting bad. It's just bad. It's not he's 2038 01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:53.279 not the guy to call the plays. He's not. He 2039 01:45:53.279 --> 01:45:55.399 should give it up. I mean, he kind of hinted 2040 01:45:55.479 --> 01:45:59.520 when they hired, when he hired the the offensive coordinator 2041 01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:01.720 or prom voted him, that he was going to let 2042 01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:05.479 him call some plays. He's not Zach's calling all the plays. 2043 01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:07.800 So what's the point of having on offensive coordinator. You 2044 01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:10.840 see Mike Commlin, You see Mike Common calling any plays 2045 01:46:10.840 --> 01:46:11.520 on the sideline? 2046 01:46:11.640 --> 01:46:13.479 Oh no, no, no. 2047 01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:17.279 I mean there's a lot of head coaches that's their quarterbacks, 2048 01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:20.039 you know, called the plays, or the offensive coordinator call 2049 01:46:20.119 --> 01:46:22.000 the play. So the way I look at it, Gary, Jeff, 2050 01:46:22.279 --> 01:46:25.399 you're paying Joe Burrow fifty five million dollars. I think 2051 01:46:25.439 --> 01:46:28.600 he's capable of making the right calls at the offensive line. 2052 01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:30.239 I do he should call the play. 2053 01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:33.319 We just talked. We talked about this last week. Why 2054 01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:38.119 not let your quarterback call the plays. No, he knows, 2055 01:46:38.359 --> 01:46:40.840 he knows the talent, he knows the offense. I mean, 2056 01:46:41.359 --> 01:46:42.920 come on, and. 2057 01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:45.479 Until Joe Burrow goes and I don't know, Joe's not 2058 01:46:45.560 --> 01:46:46.880 you know, you can kind of tell you it's not 2059 01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:48.960 that kind of guy. What maybe he is behind the scenes, 2060 01:46:49.239 --> 01:46:52.640 But until Joe goes to Mikey Brown or Katie Brown 2061 01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:55.640 and says, look, this ain't working man, This ain't working. 2062 01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:57.520 We've got to make a change here. It's not going 2063 01:46:57.600 --> 01:46:59.760 to happen because Mike Brown, you know him, and his 2064 01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:02.520 little royalty. You keep coaches on forever, no matter how 2065 01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:05.800 many games they lose. Wild Man, I'm not cavricating. He 2066 01:47:05.840 --> 01:47:07.920 should be fired, but there's gotta be there. There's gotta 2067 01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:09.640 be a change here. Got happen. 2068 01:47:09.720 --> 01:47:11.800 We gotta roll on, wild Man, Thank you so much, 2069 01:47:11.880 --> 01:47:12.319 my brother. 2070 01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:13.319 All right? 2071 01:47:13.359 --> 01:47:19.439 Who who day? Everybody so far except for Carolina. We 2072 01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:22.880 end with the national anthem to honor America. This is 2073 01:47:22.920 --> 01:47:23.560 the nightcap.