Speaker 1: Sounds going so far, schemes and anything.
Speaker 2: Scene. Well, I hope I got you hanging around for
Speaker 2: the next hour because it's American history on the radio,
Speaker 2: on the Nightcap and tonight in the Spotlight talking about
Speaker 2: his great enduring career in radio. It's my friend jim
Speaker 2: Lebarbara the music professor. Prophet's so great to have be
Speaker 2: on the Nightcap again. How are you?
Speaker 3: Thank you wonderful. I'm doing wonderful.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Good to have you in the studio too.
Speaker 2: That that song was one Jimmy pick handpick for this interview.
Speaker 2: The Skyliner, since I don't have you what what is it?
Speaker 3: I booked them for a show, my first show in
Speaker 3: Alleghanty College. I booked them for the first rock and
Speaker 3: roll show the colleague ever had. And it was the
Speaker 3: Skyliners and the pretty girl was Janet Vogel. And I'll
Speaker 3: never forget riding back because they rode me back home.
Speaker 3: I'm going back home to Pittsburgh. Allighanty was in Meadville, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: about a hundred miles away.
Speaker 2: The band gave you a ride.
Speaker 4: Band.
Speaker 3: I rode back with the band and they took me
Speaker 3: to my house. I got check us see the keys
Speaker 3: under the mat and Janet Vogel was with us, the
Speaker 3: pretty girl in the group, and I'll never forget. We
Speaker 3: stopped at like a diner for a cup of coffee
Speaker 3: late at night, and she said she was all dressed
Speaker 3: up with makeup on, you know, in her dress show dressed.
Speaker 3: And she said, Jimmy, they think I'm because she was
Speaker 3: with all the guys. She said, they think I'm one
Speaker 3: of those ladies, don't they They think I'm one of
Speaker 3: those ladies. And she was so depressed. They said, no, Janet,
Speaker 3: they don't think that. And ironically this song was playing
Speaker 3: on the jukebox. It was like so so cereal, so surreal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's where those connections that we have with music
Speaker 2: and with people, and it's just because of one or
Speaker 2: two moments in time like that, you know it, and
Speaker 2: at last it's imprinted on our brains from that point forward.
Speaker 3: And Buddy Holly, Buddy Holly was so big because I
Speaker 3: was four eyes and I had the horn rim glasses
Speaker 3: like Buddy. When I got those Buddy glasses, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, I was cool, you know, wearing Buddy Holly glasses,
Speaker 3: and he was you know, I could sing with Buddy
Speaker 3: Holly Records. He was you know, it wasn't like Elvis
Speaker 3: or Johnny Mathis. You could sing with Buddy sing.
Speaker 2: You and I have gone through your breakdown of the
Speaker 2: great song American Pie by Don McLean. You know that
Speaker 2: relates to Buddy Holly and so much of you and
Speaker 2: your life and music going forward. But you were that
Speaker 2: paper boy, yeah, and I did.
Speaker 3: I saw the paper that day and went just like
Speaker 3: Don McLean, I mean, that's exactly the way I felt.
Speaker 3: And well, I was always interested in music. I saw
Speaker 3: a movie young Man with a Horn and when I'm
Speaker 3: a bought a trump and I was like ten years old,
Speaker 3: this movie about a trumpet player, and I played the trumpet,
Speaker 3: and I was very good. Got a scholarship during the
Speaker 3: summer to studying music at Carnegie Tech. So I was
Speaker 3: very much involved with music. And I had a tape recorder,
Speaker 3: this tape recorder that I record some of the stuff.
Speaker 3: I would do practice in that and then eventually started
Speaker 3: talking into the tape recorder. My buddy, Ronnie Miller, a
Speaker 3: few years older than me, would stop buying and I
Speaker 3: would interview him, do fake interviews like he was a
Speaker 3: baseball star. And so you hit that home run in
Speaker 3: that game, What happened that day, you know, and do
Speaker 3: these little interviews and they was and listening to the radio,
Speaker 3: I was like in love with this radio is. I
Speaker 3: go to bed at night and Bill Stern, a guy
Speaker 3: named Bill Stern, did this show, sports talk show, and
Speaker 3: he would talk about a baseball pitcher and then the
Speaker 3: kick thing was at the end, was and they only
Speaker 3: had one arm, and the horse won the race, but
Speaker 3: the jockey was dead.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It was those stories that were so magnificent. So I
Speaker 3: was glued to the radio with that, and the rock
Speaker 3: and roll thing didn't come around because I'm playing big
Speaker 3: band music until my buddy Ron He said, Bill Haley's
Speaker 3: in town. We're going to the Syrium Mosque. So we
Speaker 3: go to Syria Mosque. I'm like twelve years old, and
Speaker 3: it's like the biggest rock and roll show ever. Haley's
Speaker 3: the headliner. Eleven eleven Black's one white. He was the white,
Speaker 3: and I'm watching the show. Joe Turner gets up and
Speaker 3: sings the original Shake right on roll, you know, in
Speaker 3: the bedroom, and then Haley comes out and a bunch
Speaker 3: of guys sitting in the back of us, and there
Speaker 3: was a great show, Frankie Lyman, the Teenagers, the Platters,
Speaker 3: everybody was on that show. And the guys in the
Speaker 3: back of us were cool guys from the North Side
Speaker 3: section in Pittsburgh. They all get up and they gave
Speaker 3: him the finger, the number one sign, and they started
Speaker 3: to walk on and they said, what do you guys?
Speaker 3: Walk on? He's got the number one record in the country.
Speaker 3: He said, he ripped off. Joe Turner listened to Porky
Speaker 3: the boss Man. I said, Porky, putt you time with Porky,
Speaker 3: Porky Chadwick, And so I started listening to the boss Man,
Speaker 3: Porky Chadwick.
Speaker 2: Where was Porky on it?
Speaker 3: Porky was on the air, a little rim shot stationed
Speaker 3: in Homestead. He predated Alan Freed, playing black original music. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was like, really the pioneer. And so I started
Speaker 3: listening to Porky and Porky and I later had a
Speaker 3: chance to thank him. He was ninety one years old.
Speaker 3: We had dinner and I thanked him for influencing me
Speaker 3: so much because of his honesty on the radio and
Speaker 3: his truthfulness the way he presented things. They would be
Speaker 3: Porky be on the air and Judikolovich would call up
Speaker 3: and she's crying because her boyfriend died. And he went
Speaker 3: to Porky record hops and she's sitting with her aunt
Speaker 3: Hilda and though listening to Porky on the radio, and
Speaker 3: so he dedicates the song to him. You know, it
Speaker 3: was the Death of an Angel by Donald Woods. There
Speaker 3: was a death, a big scream of the angel. The
Speaker 3: kids died in that fire in nineteen fifty eight, ninety
Speaker 3: two children in Chicago fire, Catholic School fire, and Porky's
Speaker 3: on the radio and he dedicates to them this song.
Speaker 3: He said, the smoke gets in your eyes. Well, you know,
Speaker 3: to anybody doing that, that's what are you serious? But
Speaker 3: Porky was so sincere, and so I thought, you know,
Speaker 3: if I ever get in radio, that's I like, but
Speaker 3: liked but Porky his honesty. But if I ever got
Speaker 3: in the business, and I wasn't thinking about Clark Race.
Speaker 3: Clark Race had a Jaguar, had a TV show, good
Speaker 3: looking guy and a lot of pretty girls following him.
Speaker 3: And I said, that's if I get in radio, that's
Speaker 3: what I want to do. And uh, that was the
Speaker 3: path I was going to take. If I got in radio.
Speaker 3: So did you ever get the nice car and the girl?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think I did. Yeah, I really did, I really did,
Speaker 3: I really did.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: So what happened was I, Uh, I got hurt playing
Speaker 3: baseball and Amazon crushes and uh, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: we knew had a dance. There was a girl in Pinky,
Speaker 3: and I had a big crush on Pinky. She was
Speaker 3: a major atte and a major rest responsor in a dance.
Speaker 3: So I knew Pinky didn't have a date. So I
Speaker 3: called the crew that did the dance. Did the stage crew?
Speaker 3: They were they'd always play the music, and they said,
Speaker 3: can you set up? I'll play the music, you know,
Speaker 3: just set to me? Oh great, great gym.
Speaker 2: We did that.
Speaker 3: They had a bunch of forty five's, a little turntable
Speaker 3: just like walk into the gym and on the corner
Speaker 3: and the right hand side, little uh little table there
Speaker 3: with a little lamp and a forty five record play
Speaker 3: you know, goes down we're and a microphone and a microphone.
Speaker 3: So that night Pinky's there and just the way I
Speaker 3: thought of what happened, Pinky brought me soda, pop and pretzels,
Speaker 3: and then I started inducing the records this is for
Speaker 3: Vince and Mary Lee and still the ninth of five sentence.
Speaker 3: And I was doing this and the kids loved it.
Speaker 2: How old were you at this time? Oh?
Speaker 3: Maybe fifteen at that's okay, fifteen. And then I also
Speaker 3: could break up, but Panthony Cravelli was dancing with Judi
Speaker 3: Romanovitch and I didn't think that they should be together.
Speaker 3: I could put on Chuck Berry's Maybe Lean and break
Speaker 3: it up. So it's very empowering too.
Speaker 2: So that was your first term as a disjoge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that all of a sudden, I'm hooked doing
Speaker 3: this playing music, it dances. And then with the tape
Speaker 3: recorder I had, I started practicing and introducing records at home.
Speaker 2: I love this. This is what I have talked about
Speaker 2: with John Landecker, with Shotgun, Tom Kelly, all of us
Speaker 2: seemed to those of us who chose this path for
Speaker 2: a career, seemed to in our youth be pretend somehow
Speaker 2: I had a stereo system with a stereo microphone, and
Speaker 2: I was introducing records in my bedroom when I was seventeen.
Speaker 2: All of that stuff. We all either had our own
Speaker 2: little radio station, or as you were mentioning, you were
Speaker 2: interviewing your friend like he was a great baseball player
Speaker 2: or something on you on your little tape. So you
Speaker 2: were getting training for talk radio, I guess I was, yeah, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2: You can hear Jim Lebarbara on WDJO in the afternoon
Speaker 2: from two to seven on the weekdays. So I wanted
Speaker 2: to mention that he is our guest tonight in American
Speaker 2: History on the radio on seven hundred WLW station. Jim
Speaker 2: is very familiar with not only for our Saturday morning
Speaker 2: visits we have every weekend rock and roll archaeology, but
Speaker 2: a long history on the air at this great legendary
Speaker 2: radio station. We want to go back to the very
Speaker 2: very beginnings of your career. What was your first station
Speaker 2: and where was this?
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to Alleganton College in Meadville, and
Speaker 3: so when I went up for the interview, Pennsylvania in Pennsylvania, Meadville, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: So when I went up for the interview, I stopped
Speaker 3: at the radio station. I said, I'm going to be
Speaker 3: starting here in September. I'm going to college here and
Speaker 3: I want I want to work on the radio station.
Speaker 3: And the guy said, well, what background do you have?
Speaker 3: And I said, well, I had to lead in a
Speaker 3: senior class play. I had a band MC record hops,
Speaker 3: did a lot of record hops and MC concerts to
Speaker 3: the school, and managed a singing group and had a
Speaker 3: singing group and yeah, I'm looking I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 3: So I started school. I go to the radio station
Speaker 3: and the guy says, we're not going to hire you.
Speaker 3: We just we don't have any opening. And a kid,
Speaker 3: Eric Johnson at the station was a town going to Alleghany,
Speaker 3: a freshman like me, and he said, hold it, hold it,
Speaker 3: can you hold on for a minute? He said, come
Speaker 3: on back. What if you do one hour a week
Speaker 3: but you don't get paid? Would you do that and
Speaker 3: call it a Alleghany college radio show? I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: So that was it. I was That was it. I
Speaker 3: went on the air. First thing I went on the air.
Speaker 3: My kids in the dorm went crazy. You know, it
Speaker 3: was really sensational.
Speaker 2: I was a star.
Speaker 3: They put a big star on my door started calling
Speaker 3: you the voice, and I thought, man, this is it.
Speaker 3: Third show I was on, I played Teach Me Tiger
Speaker 3: by April Stevens. It was a record that had some
Speaker 3: heavy breathing in it, and the astronauts ended up using
Speaker 3: it on on the Space programs. Next day I get
Speaker 3: to call I'm fired fired, So I lost.
Speaker 2: Me Tiger.
Speaker 3: But then that summer I got a job working in
Speaker 3: the Pollo, Pennsylvania Religious station, just for.
Speaker 2: Like two three weeks.
Speaker 3: What year is this, we're looking at nineteen probably in
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty one one, sixteen one now, and uh they
Speaker 3: had mixed my resume up because and I would do
Speaker 3: there would be releases Billy Billy, Joe Hargas and these
Speaker 3: different religious programs. But before that, between six and six fifteen,
Speaker 3: I could play records, so I for yeah, so but
Speaker 3: I would I would do, here's Caddy for Incis, Here's
Speaker 3: America's Princess of Song, Cottie Francis and blessless House or
Speaker 3: his Elvis and how great that are?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: So I did that and the owner of the station said, Jim,
Speaker 3: you really don't have to introduce the records, but said
Speaker 3: that's okay if you want. So that was that was it,
Speaker 3: and then the and then what happened was, uh, during
Speaker 3: that during the summer, Joni Summers had a record called
Speaker 3: Johnny Get Angry, Big Record, number one record. And I
Speaker 3: had this tape recorder and I called my buddy Henry,
Speaker 3: because I didn't have a call as Henry tump, I said,
Speaker 3: let's go see Jonie Summers. I called up at the
Speaker 3: club and I said, dumb a disc jockey. I would
Speaker 3: like to interview her from my radio show. Oh, come
Speaker 3: on down. So I went to the show, We saw
Speaker 3: the show, went to her dressing room. She has this
Speaker 3: little robe on, cute as could mean. She's about the
Speaker 3: same age. She got a number one hit record, and
Speaker 3: I knew about because Clark Gray said, she doesn't have
Speaker 3: a boyfriend guy on radio, and she's got a big
Speaker 3: hit record. So she treated me like I was a
Speaker 3: big star disc jockey. And that was it. On the
Speaker 3: way we'll leave, And when we left that night, I
Speaker 3: said that Henry, I said, I think I'm going to
Speaker 3: be a disc jockey. I think I'm I'm going to
Speaker 3: be a disc jockey. And ironically, over all these years,
Speaker 3: I've never seen her again. But that was and I
Speaker 3: don't remember the interview, but I just remember how nice
Speaker 3: she was to us. And then the next year, during
Speaker 3: the summer, there was a station in Titusville WTIV and
Speaker 3: there was a loping there and is Eric Johnson again
Speaker 3: called and the guy hired me so for the whole summer,
Speaker 3: and I was jimmy holiday because and every day's a
Speaker 3: whole day with holiday, and I was on midday. But
Speaker 3: they quickly moved me after one week the afternoon drive
Speaker 3: and I was there, and I mean it was a
Speaker 3: very interesting time I got. The first night I was there,
Speaker 3: I spent the night in jail because I went to
Speaker 3: the radio station. It was a daytimer, and I didn't
Speaker 3: know how to work any equipment, so but we were daytimers,
Speaker 3: so I could practice the equipment. I had a que
Speaker 3: records up and do all this.
Speaker 2: This is something that a lot of people don't understand,
Speaker 2: especially now when they're trying to get rid of AM
Speaker 2: radio and all the ridiculous machinations of the technology has
Speaker 2: evolved to this point. But Jim, a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't understand that a lot of AM radiosations would sign
Speaker 2: on when the sun came up and sign off when
Speaker 2: the sun went down. The daytime er, so please go ahead.
Speaker 3: So I met the station and it was like two
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning. So I was staying at the YMCA,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't get in YMC. It was locked, So
Speaker 3: I pulled down the stairs. You know, there's stairs on
Speaker 3: the sign. So I pulled down the ladder to go up,
Speaker 3: and I'm climbing up and all of a sudden, the
Speaker 3: cops have a big light on me. The thing's going.
Speaker 3: I came down, I introduced myself and I said I
Speaker 3: need I'm dead tired, and they said, well, we have
Speaker 3: a bed if you want to sleep, you know. So
Speaker 3: I slept in the jail cell. The door open for you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And then the next day I was there and then
Speaker 3: ended up living in a place where I had two
Speaker 3: meals a day of this shady the Shading Lane Retirement
Speaker 3: Community house. And you're old, yeah, about nineteen eighteen years old.
Speaker 3: That was That was a big, big thing for me.
Speaker 3: And then went back to school, finished up my senior
Speaker 3: year and was thinking about radio and at that point,
Speaker 3: the call each other radio station. So I had a
Speaker 3: one one night show and my girlfriend went to another college.
Speaker 3: Uh she you know, because I was going to be
Speaker 3: a minister and I had this grad scholarship, all set
Speaker 3: to go to Boston University, and she broke up with me,
Speaker 3: and I said, well, no, I'm not I'm just getting
Speaker 3: this out of my system. So then what happened. I went,
Speaker 3: I had this tape from from Titusville, so I took it.
Speaker 3: Katie Ka the All Night Guy, Randy Holsburg. Yeah, Katie
Speaker 3: K a big giant radio station. Randy Hall was leaving
Speaker 3: Katie k Is All Night Show to go to Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Well there was a girl I met, uh during probably
Speaker 3: my sophomore year. My freshman year. Between freshman and sophomore,
Speaker 3: I was selling books on the telephone, you know, calling
Speaker 3: people and well you know so, and she said to me,
Speaker 3: this lady, this girl says to me, you have a
Speaker 3: wonderful voice. You should be in radio. And they said,
Speaker 3: well that's what I want to do. It turned out
Speaker 3: she's yeo Anne Louke, Christie's cousin, and we became friends.
Speaker 3: The singer had Lightning strikes and IRS records, so we
Speaker 3: became friends and I kept in contact with her and
Speaker 3: she said, well, come on down, I'll introduce you to
Speaker 3: Randy Hall. So wait a date and went to see
Speaker 3: Randy and Randy listened to my tapes The All Night Guy.
Speaker 3: He said, well, I'm not the program director. Being said,
Speaker 3: they hired him out of Penn State. He said, I
Speaker 3: don't think they're going to hire another kid. He said,
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna do that. I think there's
Speaker 3: a guy from Chicago, was an older guy, and that's
Speaker 3: who they eventually hired. But he said, look, he said,
Speaker 3: I came from Do Boys, w CD and New Boys,
Speaker 3: a good little radio station. If you want, you can
Speaker 3: work there tomorrow. So he set it up. I called, Nick, called,
Speaker 3: and I went up there and tried on the air
Speaker 3: one night, the weekend thing. And then when I graduated,
Speaker 3: I went there just I still had the Boston Scholarship
Speaker 3: the Boston University, and I was going to get this
Speaker 3: out of my system. And that never happened. I just
Speaker 3: ended up staying in the radio.
Speaker 2: Well it didn't work well for you. Let's see, as
Speaker 2: we closed this half hour, Jim Lebarbara, the music professor
Speaker 2: on American history on the radio, if we can see
Speaker 2: if I can get fired for playing teach me, teach
Speaker 2: me tighters. Oh that's worse than Madonna stuff. I understand
Speaker 2: why you got fired, Jimmy More would Jim Lebarbara on
Speaker 2: the Nightcap. In moments after the news break on seven
Speaker 2: l W teach me.
Speaker 3: We'll hear the radio ads about the I R s.
Speaker 6: They tell you to be afraid, to be scared, and
Speaker 6: they try to frighten you into calling I'm not here
Speaker 6: to do that tax relief.
Speaker 7: Ohad Beyond the.
Speaker 2: Drags American his free on the radio on a Monday
Speaker 2: night cat on seven hundred w l W Gary Jeff
Speaker 2: Walker with Jim Lebarbara, my friend the music professor. When
Speaker 2: we broke for the news, you had just landed that first, big,
Speaker 2: big job in du Boys.
Speaker 3: The Voice, Pennsylvania. I was doing a split shift and
Speaker 3: I had my big tape recorder and listen to what
Speaker 3: I was doing, and once again a lady enters my life.
Speaker 3: I mentioned Pinky with that that record hop, and Pinky
Speaker 3: and I ended up going to the junior prom together,
Speaker 3: you know. So it was like walking the old guys
Speaker 3: always trying to be with a girl. I mentioned Jonie Summers,
Speaker 3: who after interviewing her, I got to get into radio. Man,
Speaker 3: this beautiful girl. You kidding me? This is what the
Speaker 3: business is all about. So I'm on the radio and
Speaker 3: I'm not hearing anything in my you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: hearing what I want to hear. I want to hear
Speaker 3: this one on one, this voice that I'm communicating. That's
Speaker 3: what I wanted to be this communicator. And there was
Speaker 3: a girl and her mother stopped by the radio station
Speaker 3: one night and she was in the Miss Pennsylvania contest.
Speaker 3: Penny was her name. And suddenly I found myself talking
Speaker 3: to this one person on the air. You know how
Speaker 3: you visualized parking on one person, she was that person.
Speaker 3: Suddenly after that, a few weeks later, I'm missing to
Speaker 3: my tapes and that's it. I found the sound I
Speaker 3: was looking for, and that was it. So I decided
Speaker 3: I'm not going to Boston. I'm gonna try this, and
Speaker 3: I gave myself three years to leave do boys and
Speaker 3: get to one of two radio stations, either katie KA,
Speaker 3: my hometown in Pittsburgh or KYW, big fifty thousand radio station. No,
Speaker 3: no ky And this was what it was in Cleveland, Okay.
Speaker 3: And then but I got there, then they changed the
Speaker 3: calladus WKYC. It was NBC, but they had switch call
Speaker 3: letters with Philadelphia, something behind the scenes thing.
Speaker 2: So that was it.
Speaker 3: But then what happened was I got in this service,
Speaker 3: So I'm in the service. Even there's no Vietnam War
Speaker 3: going on, I'm in the service. So I got six
Speaker 3: months in Fort Knox. Now the last month I'm in there.
Speaker 3: I'm a clerk typist, and I sent letters because I'm
Speaker 3: gonna leave. Du boys JIMMI Holiday. I was big. The
Speaker 3: Beatles out there was big. I'd go to work at night.
Speaker 3: There were a little teenage girls.
Speaker 2: See your local station and do boys you broke the Beatles?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, oh yes absolutely, And it
Speaker 3: was huge, huge, So I sent. I saw a station
Speaker 3: in Erie, Pennsylvania, number two, and I thought this is
Speaker 3: a market I could jump to. And it was a
Speaker 3: number two rocker. W W G O Jet was the
Speaker 3: They owned the market. So every day at Fort Knox,
Speaker 3: I would send a postcard back in those days of
Speaker 3: postcard was like a penny postcard. And I send it
Speaker 3: and saying that, uh Jim, Jay Bentley Starr. I was
Speaker 3: changed my name Jay because Jim and Johnny Yeah Bentley
Speaker 3: Carr English, you know, and Starr. I wanted to be
Speaker 3: a star, so I was Jay Bentley Starr. And I
Speaker 3: sent them a postcard every day talking about I know
Speaker 3: you're on this record because I could listen to wacky
Speaker 3: down there at Fort Knox and KLO in Louisville, and
Speaker 3: so I send notes every day in the contest, got
Speaker 3: the idea and I would act like they answered me,
Speaker 3: thank you very much for the nice comments. I would
Speaker 3: sell this postcard every day, looking to be the next
Speaker 3: star of Very Radio. Every day I sent them a postcard.
Speaker 3: So I go back. My terms up. Okay, I'm going back.
Speaker 3: I'm a free man on the service. I'm going to
Speaker 3: do Boys back on the air. They have to take
Speaker 3: me back. The radio station says, no, we don't want
Speaker 3: you Jimmy Holliday on the air. You can be on
Speaker 3: the air, but no Jimmy Holliday, and no picking your
Speaker 3: own music. You're playing arm music. Listen not for Tony Bennett,
Speaker 3: Stuffy and so I was devastated. And one of the
Speaker 3: ladies I knew there said nobody expected you to ever
Speaker 3: come back to do Boys. So like the day before
Speaker 3: I was to start, I get a call from Eerie
Speaker 3: Jay Bentley Starr when we have an opening. The guy
Speaker 3: on the night shift who called himself Johnny Holiday and
Speaker 3: not the Johnny Holiday left to go across the street
Speaker 3: the jet. So there's an opening. So I had at
Speaker 3: this point a blue Jaguar nineteen fifty eight XK and
Speaker 3: one fifty plus. I am I most minor convertible. So
Speaker 3: I drove in this long drive. I'm dead tired. I
Speaker 3: drive in to go on the radio and do Boys,
Speaker 3: says Jay Bentley Starr, the Intrepid Leader. I get there
Speaker 3: and I go then and I walk into the office
Speaker 3: and hey, you're the guy that sent the postcards. And
Speaker 3: the guy who ran the station was a guy named
Speaker 3: Larry Parato.
Speaker 2: This is an Erie, Pennsylvania, Zeria, Pennsylvania, New Boys. You
Speaker 2: drove from New Boys.
Speaker 3: I go from New Boys to Erie. Okay, so I'm
Speaker 3: in Arie and the and the receptionist goes, oh, they're
Speaker 3: all laughing. You're the guy sent the postcards. And we
Speaker 3: have all the post guys have a big stack of
Speaker 3: all these postcards. And the general manager was a guy
Speaker 3: named Larry Perrado, who was when I was at w
Speaker 3: MGW and Meadfield for those first shows with Eric Johnson.
Speaker 3: He was like the engineer producer and he had told
Speaker 3: me on the air the first show he said, someday, kids,
Speaker 3: you're gonna make it, and I want to be with you.
Speaker 3: Well here he was. He was my boss. Now an Erie.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm so excited. Small So I go on the
Speaker 3: air that night, and this radio station was on the
Speaker 3: top floor of the highest building in Erie, and in
Speaker 3: there the transmitter was there and the control room, so
Speaker 3: everything was there. I had control of everything. So on
Speaker 3: the air, young college kid comes in from Gannon. He's
Speaker 3: doing the all night show. And I looked and I said,
Speaker 3: you know what, nobody knows I'm in town. So I
Speaker 3: put a big desk against the door, put a microphone
Speaker 3: outside in the hallway, locked him out, and put chairs
Speaker 3: on top of it. So I locked everybody out and
Speaker 3: I stayed in there, and then when the morning came around,
Speaker 3: then I started playing Come On and Swim by Bobby
Speaker 3: Freeman over and over and over again. Of course I
Speaker 3: don't know the format, you know, I just brand new
Speaker 3: at the station. So the guy gets on the microphone.
Speaker 3: He's yelling and I said, be careful because it's on
Speaker 3: the air. It's I'm on the air. And every record
Speaker 3: I played, Bobby Freeman, number one, number two, picked the
Speaker 3: click everything. You know the whole So the whole town
Speaker 3: by nine thirty in the morning knew j Bentley Starr
Speaker 3: was on the air in Eriy, Pennsylvania. And then the
Speaker 3: front page of the paper head in the town gangbuster
Speaker 3: style plays music over thirty hours on the radio, and
Speaker 3: they fired me and hired me back and I had
Speaker 3: a day off and that was my beginning in the
Speaker 3: every Pennsylvania see Intrepid leader Jane Bentley Starr.
Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of one of those things that
Speaker 2: kind of line up for the two of us because
Speaker 2: I participated in a stunt that was approved by and
Speaker 2: recommended by the management and the program director. It was
Speaker 2: something that happened here in Cincinnati with I think Mark
Speaker 2: Sebastian at Q one O two where he played the
Speaker 2: Stroke by Billy Squire over and over and over again, uh,
Speaker 2: and acted like he was he'd commandeered the radio station.
Speaker 2: But it was all it was all a wink. It
Speaker 2: was all everybody he had control, I understand. But and
Speaker 2: I did the same thing in Chattanooga where I played
Speaker 2: I Love rock and Roll by Jon Jet for like
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. It was two or three hours.
Speaker 2: It was not a thirty hour marathon like yours. But
Speaker 2: nobody asked you to do this, And no, I mean
Speaker 2: you did this on your own, just so you would
Speaker 2: people would know who you are. Yeah, that's brilliant. Look
Speaker 2: at me. It's great, look at me. I'm here.
Speaker 3: I'm jaying start when what I didn't realize was my
Speaker 3: car was sitting out on the main street and I
Speaker 3: had a long stack of tickets in the station. I said,
Speaker 3: you paid for you pay for him.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's the price of fame. I guess, you know.
Speaker 2: So let's with.
Speaker 3: Time being kind of a yeah, we got time, let
Speaker 3: me take quick quick things that happened, Okay, so I'm
Speaker 3: in Eerie. Two things that happened early on, Well, there
Speaker 3: was a guy there in another radio station. We were friends,
Speaker 3: and I was I was going to get out of radio.
Speaker 3: I was just I was gonna get out. Nothing was happening.
Speaker 3: And he was a friend of Joey Reynolds up a
Speaker 3: KB in Buffalo, and he said, why don't you go,
Speaker 3: Let's go meet Joey Reynolds. So I went with him
Speaker 3: and took a tape. Joey Reynolds listens to my tape
Speaker 3: and he said, kid, He said, you are you putting
Speaker 3: me on a you Bobby Mitchell from San Francisco And
Speaker 3: I said no, Jay Bentley Starr and Eerie. He said,
Speaker 3: well there's no He said, you sound just like Bobby Mitchell.
Speaker 3: He gave me so much encouragement that that made me
Speaker 3: stay in radio. And then meanwhile, my old engineer from
Speaker 3: Doboys was now working in the station in Cleveland, wd OK.
Speaker 3: And he brought the head engineer and they come in
Speaker 3: and the guy says, well, hey, there's they're chained the format.
Speaker 3: Three guys bought, three sales guys bought the radio station.
Speaker 3: Let me have a tape of yours. So I gave
Speaker 3: them a tape. They take the tape back and then uh.
Speaker 3: A few months later, that station goes and becomes WIXI
Speaker 3: and I get a call in Cleveland, Cleveland now, Jerry Spin,
Speaker 3: program director, we'd like to comme in and do And
Speaker 3: I said, great, Oh I have to quit. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: don't quit, don't quit. I just want to hear you
Speaker 3: on the air. And I was doing two shifts, a
Speaker 3: ten to one shift, take them an hour for lunch,
Speaker 3: coming back, and then doing two o'clock to seven and
Speaker 3: production until eight o'clock. Be aause they were looking for
Speaker 3: a midday guy. And so I went in and this
Speaker 3: and then and this was a tape that a guy
Speaker 3: at the station had heard. My boss. The program director said,
Speaker 3: g you just don't have any talent. You know, you
Speaker 3: just don't have any talent. So it was a take
Speaker 3: to come here into Cleveland. So I'm in there and
Speaker 3: I did three shows in an area on on on
Speaker 3: WIXI Steve Popovich comes in, and you know what happened
Speaker 3: was I sent the program director a note and called him.
Speaker 3: I said, I can't come in. I wrecked my car
Speaker 3: and I did and I was sleep, I mean no sleep.
Speaker 3: So he says, man, forget it, don't come in. We
Speaker 3: don't want you boom boom in here. Never heard me
Speaker 3: on the air. So Popovich comes in a Mercury Records
Speaker 3: local guy in Cleveland and later had meet little from
Speaker 3: everybody and a vice president of Columbia Epic Records, and
Speaker 3: Popovich says, no, I didn't hear you. I said, Man,
Speaker 3: don't let anybody here around here because I'll be fired.
Speaker 3: Don't fire me, he said. But Bob Martin doesn't have
Speaker 3: a program, doesn't have a PD at KY and Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Jim Gallant isn't happy. The night guy. You might want
Speaker 3: to call him. So I called Bob Martin and Cleveland
Speaker 3: fifty thousand one NBC radio station. He says, come on
Speaker 3: in we sit down, we talk and I listened to
Speaker 3: my tape with now the WIXI tape, and he said,
Speaker 3: can you do more of this? I said yeah, that's
Speaker 3: what I do. And he said, well, okay, how much
Speaker 3: are you making? I said, like eighty bucks a week.
Speaker 3: I just got a raise to ninety. He said okay.
Speaker 3: Then about three days later, I get a call from
Speaker 3: Bob Martin. Okay, this is Bob Martin with NBC, jim
Speaker 3: La Barbra we or j he said, Jay Bentley Starr
Speaker 3: and I said yes, and then I hung up the
Speaker 3: phone because I thought it was Holiday, that kid that
Speaker 3: I replaced making fun of me. Because he did, I thought,
Speaker 3: because once I had Rick Scalar call me. Well, as
Speaker 3: it turned out, it might have been Rick lay like
Speaker 3: I hung up on him. So anyway, Bob Martin calls
Speaker 3: back and he says, look, I'm not going to you
Speaker 3: just talked with me the other day. We want to
Speaker 3: hire you to work at NBC. We're hiring you, but
Speaker 3: if you hang up, forget it. I said, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 3: and I went in. They hired me. I did the
Speaker 3: Sound eleven survey and a Sunday night filled in for
Speaker 3: everybody and got my paycheck the first week, went into
Speaker 3: the office and said, I wanted to be paid by
Speaker 3: the I started to get it out. I wanted to
Speaker 3: be paid by the week and not by the month.
Speaker 3: He said, Jim, I'm so sorry. You have a talent
Speaker 3: fee of one hundred dollars a week with NBC. Whether
Speaker 3: you do anything or not, you're a base of one
Speaker 3: hundred dollars. And I started to cry. He said, didn't
Speaker 3: we discuss money. I said, no, I had making a
Speaker 3: ninety week. I was going to go to one hundred
Speaker 3: a week in six months in Eerie. So I made
Speaker 3: that year almost thirty eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: I'll with it. That's great money. What nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3: Sixty six, nineteen sixty six, So that was my you know,
Speaker 3: in Cleveland was just it was. It was the greatest
Speaker 3: thing in the world. And I was there and then
Speaker 3: we all got fired, the whole staff except for the
Speaker 3: morning guys, like two and a half years later, and
Speaker 3: then I went to WIXI across the street and was Cleveland. Yeah,
Speaker 3: two hundred bucks a week. I'm working a seventh day
Speaker 3: on tape with Bloom and Wayne and talking.
Speaker 2: To Jim, let Barbara the music professor on American History
Speaker 2: on the Radio and the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: Jim Let's kind of flash forward to Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: So I'm a WIXI. So I stayed one year, one year,
Speaker 3: and there was a guy that came in, uh, Chuck Dunaway,
Speaker 3: and he had been with Ky and you know how
Speaker 3: the business can be. And when I was gone, it
Speaker 3: was my last night on the air. I had my
Speaker 3: girlfriend Susan with me and we were there and he said, hey,
Speaker 3: he said, hey, listen to me. I'll show you how
Speaker 3: you're not gonna be doing anything. You're not gonna be
Speaker 3: doing anything for a while. Listen to me. I'll show
Speaker 3: you how I was supposed to be done.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So that was like, so here we are we going
Speaker 3: now number one, big party, number one. We're on stage.
Speaker 3: We came through the little things like a football team,
Speaker 3: piech guy, I'm star on stage and I introduced the
Speaker 3: newest Wixy Superman chucked that away and I said, that's it.
Speaker 2: I quit.
Speaker 3: I told Joe Finan, who was standing next to me
Speaker 3: and the wild Child, that that's it.
Speaker 2: I quit.
Speaker 3: And they said no, no, no, no, do that. So when
Speaker 3: I didn't ever introduce Neil Diamond and everybody that was
Speaker 3: on that show that night when Out got drunk that
Speaker 3: night and everyone on the air and then started looking
Speaker 3: for a job, and I like, somebody said, how about
Speaker 3: WLW and Cincinnati, And I called and Jim Gallop, who
Speaker 3: I replaced in Cleveland because they came in as a
Speaker 3: summer replacement guy. But I was working all the time.
Speaker 3: I was doing a morning show, doing afternoon show. And
Speaker 3: even when Jerry g went on the road with the Beatles,
Speaker 3: you know, I did his afternoon show. He said, Jimmy,
Speaker 3: I've got ringo on the line. Say I had a ringo.
Speaker 3: So it was a great I mean, it was like
Speaker 3: I was in love with Cleveland. Was like incredible. And
Speaker 3: so Gallant was now the program director. So Gallant I
Speaker 3: called it, called him his wife answer said, Jimmy, he'd
Speaker 3: love to have you here. So I went down and
Speaker 3: it was it. We came to an agreement, came down
Speaker 3: to WLW. This was nineteen sixty nine. My duty was
Speaker 3: to do the early night show and change the music
Speaker 3: from Ray Conniff and Percy Faith and Tony Bennett to
Speaker 3: Light Beatles and Paul Simon and Outguard funk On and
Speaker 3: Neil Diamond. And also there was a TV show Billion
Speaker 3: Della Keys that was going off the air and her
Speaker 3: co host had left to go to Saint Louis, so
Speaker 3: I was gonna be involved with that. So that was it.
Speaker 3: I came to the Cincinnati and fell in love with
Speaker 3: Cincinnati and I been here ever since, except for nine
Speaker 3: months in Denver.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, a little diversion to Denver. I think that
Speaker 2: your early days in Cincinnati, though, living at the Forum
Speaker 2: apartments and having Johnny Bench as a friend and all
Speaker 2: these people that you met who were you know, professional
Speaker 2: athletes who lived in that apartment complex at the time.
Speaker 2: Some of those stories are great. We had.
Speaker 3: It's such a good time. And uh, of course wl W.
Speaker 3: We had the Reds and the Bengals and the Royals
Speaker 3: basketball team, so you know, we had Callite Blanched everything
Speaker 3: that was going on, and uh and the Bob Broun
Speaker 3: Show to go over and beyond Bronze Show. So it
Speaker 3: was wonderful and uh, you know, I had it was
Speaker 3: It was a very interesting because I was tired of
Speaker 3: Top forty. I didn't think this thing was going to last.
Speaker 2: Rock and roll.
Speaker 3: I thought, I want to be more mature. I'm like
Speaker 3: in my early twenties. Now this is a time temperature.
Speaker 3: Was was k y, I could talk more wixy was
Speaker 3: time temperature and get everything in you know, economy awards,
Speaker 3: and I liked it. I was good, we were number one,
Speaker 3: but I wanted to be more of that kind of
Speaker 3: a personality and that afforded me. The WLW afforded me
Speaker 3: that opportunity.
Speaker 2: So it was.
Speaker 3: It was great. And then the city, you know, immediately
Speaker 3: took into and there was Jim Gallant who said to me, okay,
Speaker 3: you're coming here. He said, I'm gonna call you. We're
Speaker 3: going to call you the music professor. And I said
Speaker 3: music professor and he said, well, you know Kate Kaiser
Speaker 3: is College of Musical Knowledge. Yes, Cabibble, I said, I
Speaker 3: had no idea.
Speaker 2: I knew my dad.
Speaker 3: I had some Ki Kaiser seventy eight records, but that
Speaker 3: was it. So he called me. I didn't feel comfortable
Speaker 3: with that at all. And he said, just like you
Speaker 3: would have the Shangri laws On and Del Shannon and
Speaker 3: Question market mysterians, I want you to do more of
Speaker 3: that here. I want you to do more of that. Actually,
Speaker 3: after every record I want you to talk about every
Speaker 3: other record, talk about something in the music business. I
Speaker 3: want you to do that. What I didn't realize was
Speaker 3: and I so I went along with that, and then
Speaker 3: shortly after that, I'm gone a bench. Hey Prop, how
Speaker 3: you doing, Pete Rose? Hey, prov what's going on? So
Speaker 3: that caught on. There was a guy who was like
Speaker 3: the one of the custodians at the former apartments, and
Speaker 3: he said to me, I've been in town maybe three months.
Speaker 3: He said, Hey, you're my favorite disc jockey on WLW.
Speaker 3: He said, my two favorites are Stan Mattlock and you.
Speaker 3: And I said Stan Mattlock. He said, yeah, he does
Speaker 3: the morning show on KO. I see, so I decided
Speaker 3: to listen to Stan Mattlock the radio. I'm listening to
Speaker 3: Stan matt Luck and now, yeah, at this time, I'm
Speaker 3: a single guy. I'm going out every night, you know.
Speaker 3: So I'm half hung over and listening to him, and
Speaker 3: he's talking about guppies or pregnant guppy in a whole hour,
Speaker 3: is this guppy has a they have a baby, They
Speaker 3: do this, and they do that, and here's what your
Speaker 3: feta guppy? And I said, what the heck is this?
Speaker 3: And then it dawned on me. Jim Gallant gave me
Speaker 3: the phrase of music professor, and I don't think I
Speaker 3: ever really thanked him enough for that, because this city
Speaker 3: was ready for a music professor, for Jim Lebima to
Speaker 3: come in and talk about music, because Stay Matt Locke
Speaker 3: already educated people to do that, to listen to the radio,
Speaker 3: to be informed, and so that door was wide open.
Speaker 3: It took me a good while to realize that, but
Speaker 3: that's what happened.
Speaker 2: And after the W I know, we got to really
Speaker 2: just kind of scare, this is why this should be
Speaker 2: two hours and that long. But then you went on
Speaker 2: to think ky cky and finally you gravitated to w
Speaker 2: g r R, where you were for how long?
Speaker 3: Yeah, fifteen years? Fifteen years number one, Yeah, And I
Speaker 3: loved that I was back there and rock and roll.
Speaker 3: Marty Thompson hired me to go over there. I had been.
Speaker 3: What had happened was I was on say Ky doing
Speaker 3: the talk show and that worked out very well. And
Speaker 3: then I went from there to K I C and
Speaker 3: I was like a cup of coffee, and then to
Speaker 3: W S A I. And then very interesting happened. What
Speaker 3: happened when g R. W g R hired me. I
Speaker 3: was working on still doing mornings six to ten. We're
Speaker 3: doing sports talk on SAI because we're changed from playing
Speaker 3: oldies to doing sports talk. So I was doing that
Speaker 3: show and then UH several reno Tom Severino over at Easy.
Speaker 3: I went to Cleveland talked to him, No buddy Larry Morrow,
Speaker 3: because I said, Tom, I said, you could put in
Speaker 3: that morning show on Easy personality and play some play
Speaker 3: some vocals, little Ray Charles, you could play Toomy Ben.
Speaker 3: We could do stuff besides instrumentals and make this thing work.
Speaker 3: He said, well, come back and give me what you
Speaker 3: think you know, and so I went there for him.
Speaker 3: So he put me on Easy on Saturday mornings six
Speaker 3: to ten. So I was working six to ten at
Speaker 3: the same time on Easy, uh six to ten morning
Speaker 3: Monday through Friday. It was this Saturday morning ninety eight
Speaker 3: Monday through Friday on WSAI, and then in the evenings
Speaker 3: from ten o'clock till two they break me into the
Speaker 3: board on wgr R. I was working at three stations
Speaker 3: at the same time.
Speaker 2: And they called me at one time the hardest working
Speaker 2: man in Tri State radio. I got nothing on you
Speaker 2: listen that's all the time we have. Unfortunately. Well, I
Speaker 2: love doing what I'm doing now. I'm on this WDJO radio.
Speaker 2: I do the two to seven shift in the afternoon
Speaker 2: ninety nine to five, and when I was seven nine
Speaker 2: FM and Cincinnati we stream on iHeart and then on
Speaker 2: Saturday mornings, I love being with you from seven thirty
Speaker 2: until eight o'clock and we talked Rocker. So many people
Speaker 2: say it's their favorite segment of that whole show on
Speaker 2: Saturday morning. Jim, thank you so much. I cherry sh
Speaker 2: our friendship. Thank you very much. I love you, Bud.
Speaker 2: It's American History on the radio. More to come on
Speaker 2: the Nightcap Assassination. It's entitled The JFK Assassination. Choke holds
Speaker 2: that inescapably proved there was a conspiracy, no matter what
Speaker 2: you've heard before or seen in an Oliver Stone movie
Speaker 2: or or whatever. This co author, James di Eugenio, is
Speaker 2: with us. He is an MA in history with California
Speaker 2: State University, Northridge, retired teacher, written or co written four
Speaker 2: books on the assassinations of the sixties. So not just JFK,
Speaker 2: but I guess you covered Martin Luther King and all
Speaker 2: the rest of that. But as far as the JFK
Speaker 2: assassination shoke holds go, Jimmy D how are.
Speaker 5: You nice to be here?
Speaker 2: That's great, Gary, great to have you. First and foremost, what,
Speaker 2: according to the information I got, you're one of the
Speaker 2: foremost conspiracy theorists about JFK. First and foremost, What makes
Speaker 2: your book different than the hundreds of books that have
Speaker 2: been written about the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
Speaker 5: Well, for one thing, this book is not theoretical. In fact,
Speaker 5: that's what we tried.
Speaker 2: To avoid it.
Speaker 5: Okay, Now, I'm not sure if you're aware that there
Speaker 5: was a body, an agency of government called the Assassination's
Speaker 5: Record Review Board, and they operated from ninety four to
Speaker 5: ninety eight, and their job was a declassify all the
Speaker 5: documents in every government register that had been stored away
Speaker 5: since the Kennedy assassination, which was nineteen sixty three. Now,
Speaker 5: hardly anybody ever talks about them, but we actually read
Speaker 5: a lot of their documents, right, And on top of that,
Speaker 5: the final determination for getting rid of all these documents,
Speaker 5: no matter what the excuse was, was supposed to be
Speaker 5: twenty seventeen, which you can see we're in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 5: and guess what happened. Neither Donald Trump nor Joe Biden
Speaker 5: obeyed the law and declassified the last or the documents.
Speaker 5: There's forty seven hundred still left, okay, And that is
Speaker 5: a major point of our book.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: We wanted to bring everything up to date with the
Speaker 5: most current research, all right, and then we wanted to
Speaker 5: bring people who read the book, okay, to understand that
Speaker 5: this is how big the Kennedy assassination is. It's not
Speaker 5: a past event, all right. When you have two presidents,
Speaker 5: one who said he wanted to drain the swamp, okay,
Speaker 5: and then you have another guy who has John Kennedy's
Speaker 5: picture in his study. And not even these guys will
Speaker 5: go up against the executive intelligence agencies. Something's wrong someplace.
Speaker 5: So that is really what the book is about. It's
Speaker 5: a current, up to date view of the Kennedy assassination
Speaker 5: with the with the best, most reviable information and whether
Speaker 5: or not, you know, a country can survive when the
Speaker 5: CIA and the FBI openly defy the law on this case.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you're talking about, among other things that
Speaker 2: we know about or we think we know about, the
Speaker 2: JFK assassination. That the fact that they did all kinds
Speaker 2: of weird things that in hiding JFK's brain and the
Speaker 2: chain of custody.
Speaker 5: Oh that's Oh, I'm glad you brought that up. I'm
Speaker 5: glad you brought that up, because that's that's one of
Speaker 5: the most important parts of the book. Okay, Yeah, and
Speaker 5: it's it's easily understandable, but hardly anybody ever talks about
Speaker 5: it because very few people know about it. Okay, JFK's brain,
Speaker 5: I'm sure most listeners. Now, Kennedy was killed in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 5: He went to Parkland Hospital, then they transported his body
Speaker 5: back to Washington, and that evening there was an autopsy
Speaker 5: at Beths the Medical Center, all right, a naval institution,
Speaker 5: all right. Now, in any normal autopsy, Number one, the
Speaker 5: brain is weighed during the autopsy. Guess what. That didn't happen.
Speaker 5: That didn't happen that night. There's no brain weight on
Speaker 5: the autopsy report for that evening. Secondly, if the victim
Speaker 5: dies by gunshot wound to the skull, they were supposed
Speaker 5: to be something called a dissection, and the way you
Speaker 5: dissect the wound path in the brain is by what's
Speaker 5: called sectioning. You can do it one of two ways.
Speaker 5: There is a bread low style, where you just go
Speaker 5: ahead and cut straight, straight, straight cuts across the brain.
Speaker 5: Or there's what they call a pie cut, in which
Speaker 5: you cut it like a pie diagonally. Well, guess what, Gary,
Speaker 5: Neither one was done. Now, this is very, very weird.
Speaker 5: Kennedy was killed because of the headshot. Okay, and you
Speaker 5: don't even section the brain to find out a the
Speaker 5: directionality of the bullet or b if there was more
Speaker 5: than one.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that would make perfect sense, James, right.
Speaker 5: Exactly, okay, but there's no evidence that that ever happened. Now,
Speaker 5: what makes us even more weird is this. When they
Speaker 5: finally did weigh the brain, it came out at fifteen
Speaker 5: hundred grams. Now, why do I say that's weird? Because
Speaker 5: the average weight of a rain for a guy Kennedy
Speaker 5: size six, all right, was thirteen forty. In other words,
Speaker 5: Kennedy's brain was one hundred and sixty grams heavier than
Speaker 5: what it should have been. Now, what why is that weird?
Speaker 5: Why you can't you just dismiss it? Because anybody who
Speaker 5: watches as a fruiter film or takes a look at
Speaker 5: the pictures inside the car, or watches Jackie Kennedy crawling
Speaker 5: out the back of the trunk.
Speaker 2: Okay, to grab, grab, to grab a piece of the
Speaker 2: president's head or brain that had right exactly.
Speaker 5: And she brought it to the hospital and gave it
Speaker 5: to a doctor. Okay, here's part of my my husband's brain.
Speaker 5: All right. So, in other words, with the huge head explosion,
Speaker 5: which is very obvious, is a bruder film the blood
Speaker 5: and tissue going up into the air, with that mess
Speaker 5: of a back seat, with the blood and tissue all
Speaker 5: over the back seat, with the motorcycle cop on the
Speaker 5: left side of Kennedy, he said he got hit so
Speaker 5: hard he thought even hit by a bullet, and he
Speaker 5: ended up with part of Kennedy's brain in his mouth.
Speaker 5: All right, How in God's name can Kennedy's brain weigh
Speaker 5: more than the normal with all that dispersion of blood
Speaker 5: and tissue throughout the area. This defies common sense in logic.
Speaker 5: So this is why many people are coming to believe
Speaker 5: that the brain that we have in and the pictures
Speaker 5: of the brain we have in the National Archives, is
Speaker 5: not Kennedy's. And before anybody says, what's the proof you
Speaker 5: have of that? How about this? The official autopsy for
Speaker 5: photographer was named John Stringer, all right, very experienced. When
Speaker 5: he was called before the assassination's record review board. I
Speaker 5: believe this was in nineteen ninety seven. They had the
Speaker 5: autopsy pictures of the brain and Jeremy Gunn was the
Speaker 5: examining lawyer. He put them up on an easel, all right,
Speaker 5: to display for the witness, and he asked them, did
Speaker 5: you take these pictures? He walked up to the easel stunned. Okay,
Speaker 5: when he got close and he said, this is Anskell,
Speaker 5: this is Anskll film. I didn't use Anskoll, I used Kodak.
Speaker 5: I used Kodak atter com And he said, you see
Speaker 5: these numbers here on the bottom right, This means this
Speaker 5: was a press pack. They were taken in series. I
Speaker 5: didn't take press packs. I took that what's called duo folders. Okay,
Speaker 5: each picture was separate, all right. And so after he
Speaker 5: absorbed this, Jeremy Gunn asked him, are you ready to
Speaker 5: deny that you took these pictures? And he said, if
Speaker 5: that's Ansco and this is a press pack, I didn't
Speaker 5: take those pictures. So the question then becomes who took
Speaker 5: those pictures? And why did you have to have a
Speaker 5: second photographer?
Speaker 2: Jeez? So and the other question is whose brain did
Speaker 2: they take pictures of? If it was well, that's another.
Speaker 5: Great question, that's another great question. But Bethesda was what
Speaker 5: they called a training facility, okay. In other words, you
Speaker 5: were you were training autopsy. And so they had these
Speaker 5: things in storage from previous victims, because you're coming back
Speaker 5: from like, you know, foreign, foreign tours of service, okay,
Speaker 5: and so that might be how they got this substitute brain.
Speaker 2: All right, Oh yeah, I mean that that is totally believable.
Speaker 5: Right, I know that. And let me add one point
Speaker 5: before we go to another question. See, the reason I
Speaker 5: bring this up is this. See, this is not theory.
Speaker 5: This is something you could submit to a court of law, okay,
Speaker 5: if you was ever an opening of the case, which
Speaker 5: there probably will not be, because for a picture to
Speaker 5: be submitted into a court proceeding, the person who took
Speaker 5: the picture has to certify it as his. So, in
Speaker 5: other words, these pictures would not be submitted in a
Speaker 5: normal court proceeding. All right, it would be illegal to
Speaker 5: do that, you know, But this is what you get
Speaker 5: in the Kennedy case. You know, well, we still I
Speaker 5: just wanted to slam that at home.
Speaker 2: Sure, no, no, it's a good point. So we're still
Speaker 2: left with the questions, why did the War and Commission
Speaker 2: cover this up? Why have Presidents Trump and Biden not
Speaker 2: followed through with being transparent with the study that you
Speaker 2: were talking about the Commission's findings from ninety four to
Speaker 2: ninety eight, Who benefited from John F. Kennedy's death? And
Speaker 2: what we all endured as a nation in November twenty second,
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three. Though, are those questions that you can
Speaker 2: get to in your book. Those are kind of theoretical questions.
Speaker 5: Though, what what we did in the book, as we
Speaker 5: described back in twenty seventeen, if you recall, Trump actually
Speaker 5: tweeted about how he was looking forward to going ahead
Speaker 5: and declassifying the last of the JFK documents, all right,
Speaker 5: And in fact, there were news stories about this, all right,
Speaker 5: about that tweet, all right, and so everybody was expecting
Speaker 5: it to happen. I believe this was October twenty sixth,
Speaker 5: twenty seventeen. Okay, then what happens on the very day
Speaker 5: that this is supposed to happen? The CIA and the
Speaker 5: FBI go into the White House, and nobody knows what
Speaker 5: actually was said, but there are some some there is
Speaker 5: some reportage that the CIA and the FBI were at
Speaker 5: dammit about not declassifying of the last of the documents,
Speaker 5: and they essentially gave Trump you know, the bloody hand
Speaker 5: speech yeah, which means this, yeah, yeah, which means, if
Speaker 5: we have this agent in Morocco, okay, and he's still alive,
Speaker 5: all right, if you're going to be classify all these documents,
Speaker 5: you're gonna put his life in danger, and if he
Speaker 5: gets killed, we're gonna blame it on you know that
Speaker 5: kind of thing.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 5: Now, Kennedy was killed in nineteen sixty three, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 5: here we are in twenty seventeen, all right, and there's
Speaker 5: still somebody around who was somehow involved in that case,
Speaker 5: and his life is going to be in danger.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: That that far around the curve. You're talking over fifty years,
Speaker 5: all right, Why don't you just retire the guy and
Speaker 5: give him a great pension.
Speaker 2: No doubt, no doubt. Oliver Stone is featured talking about
Speaker 2: your book. He's Oliver Stone's quote was fascinating glimpse into
Speaker 2: the accumulating knowledge of this crime, and why President's Trump
Speaker 2: and Biden both backed away from full disco disclosure of
Speaker 2: the JFK files. The book goes beyond all reasonable doubt
Speaker 2: to prove that Oswald, given a real trial, would have
Speaker 2: been acquitted. That's Oliver Stone in his movie What did
Speaker 2: Oliver Stone Get Wrong? Do you think?
Speaker 4: Which?
Speaker 5: Which you mean? JFK h J nineteen ninety one. Yeah, right,
Speaker 5: you know, you know in one of my books, the
Speaker 5: JFK Assassination the evidence today, I went through the whole film, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 5: Now the film is three hours long.
Speaker 2: Yes it is. Okay, I have right, I have lived
Speaker 2: through that. Yes, I understand.
Speaker 5: Now granting for the use of dramatic So you have
Speaker 5: to have some dramatic license because you're going through all
Speaker 5: this time, the interview and yeah, and you and you
Speaker 5: have to be able to compress thing, okay, and combined
Speaker 5: things in order to do so. There's only if I
Speaker 5: would have been advising him at that time, which I
Speaker 5: was not. Okay, there's there's essentially only three or four
Speaker 5: scenes in that film. You know that I would have
Speaker 5: recommended him against not using. But see, the thing is
Speaker 5: gary the subject matter and his spin on it, his
Speaker 5: interpretation of it. Right, that was just too much for
Speaker 5: the establishment to handle, Okay, because the general message of
Speaker 5: that film is Number one, Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy,
Speaker 5: the Warrant Commission covered it up. And number three, Vietnam
Speaker 5: would not have happened if Kennedy had lived. I happen
Speaker 5: to think all three of those thesies are true, okay.
Speaker 5: But the establishment, especially the media establishment, was so tied
Speaker 5: in because they accepted the One Commission. I know this
Speaker 5: is hard to believe, but this is true. The day
Speaker 5: it was issued, if you remember, I don't know how
Speaker 5: old you are, but on the day the Commission report
Speaker 5: was issued September twenty seventh, nineteen sixty four, both NBC
Speaker 5: and CBS had specials. The NBC one was an hour,
Speaker 5: the CBS one was two hours. Now, let me ask
Speaker 5: you a question, Gary. The One Report is eight hundred
Speaker 5: and eighty eight pages long. Right, how can any human being, Aleen,
Speaker 5: if you took everylyn Wood speed reading, Okay, how could
Speaker 5: you read eight hundred and eighty eight pages in one
Speaker 5: day and then assemble a filmed report on it?
Speaker 2: Excellent point in the answer. So you can't do it.
Speaker 2: James did right, Dia Genio. I'm sorry we're out of
Speaker 2: time and I wish we had more. The book is
Speaker 2: the JFK assassination choke holds that inescapably proved there was
Speaker 2: a conspiracy. Thank you for your time in great success
Speaker 2: with the book. I'm anxious to read it. Thank you, Gary.
Speaker 2: You bet by. The Nightcap continues in moments on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW. In Today's Marketers Report, Eric and Taylor, chief
Speaker 2: marketing officer of jen In Tech, weighs in on audio's
Speaker 2: ability to reach any audience. Everyone. You hear Dave all
Speaker 2: over the place. You see him on TV, you hear
Speaker 2: him on the Nightcap on shows like tonight, and it's
Speaker 2: great to have him back to talk a little tech
Speaker 2: in the wild world of Internet and the things that
Speaker 2: you should be looking out for. He knows them all. Well,
Speaker 2: he didn't know them all, but we're making a good
Speaker 2: way through the list anyway, Dave. Let's start with it's
Speaker 2: Chinese electric cars, which, of course, apparently the Biden administration
Speaker 2: Kamala want to usher in this era by mandating we
Speaker 2: all drive electric vehicles by whatever imaginary date they've picked out. Now,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has been fighting that. But aside from the politics,
Speaker 2: what do people need to know if they buy an
Speaker 2: electric vehicle made in China?
Speaker 8: Dave hatter Well, First off, Gary Jeh, thanks for having
Speaker 8: me back on. It's good to be back. And yeah,
Speaker 8: I wish I knew everything is to know about all
Speaker 8: the scams, but sadly, you know, there's so many new
Speaker 8: ones coming on board.
Speaker 2: Because every day they got there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, really creative and really devious, and also you know,
Speaker 8: they want to steal your money. So it's always good
Speaker 8: to chat with you about this stuff and hopefully raise
Speaker 8: some awareness. And even things that aren't necessarily scams in
Speaker 8: the strictest sense, like this ev situation, it's good to
Speaker 8: make people aware. So I would start out first and
Speaker 8: say I think you and I have talked about this previously.
Speaker 8: I encourage everyone to go to Mozilla. They're the people
Speaker 8: that make the Firefight web browser. Go to their website
Speaker 8: and look up Privacy not Included. This is a special
Speaker 8: project they've put together to take a look at so
Speaker 8: called smart devices, internet of things devices, refrigerators, smart TVs, cars, whatever,
Speaker 8: and you know, give you some insight into the privacy
Speaker 8: and security attributes of these things. And they did a
Speaker 8: big expose on modern cars at the end of last year.
Speaker 8: It's quite eye opening. I think most people will be
Speaker 8: very surprised, but it's a nice way to address concerns
Speaker 8: many people have been raising about modern cars, whether they're
Speaker 8: electric or not, and the fact that they're basically rolling
Speaker 8: spy machines that also potentially have a lot of security
Speaker 8: vulnerabilities which could be exploited and attacked, especially by a
Speaker 8: nation state actor like China. So when you when you
Speaker 8: know all that going into it, And there was a
Speaker 8: story probably from twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, where some reporters
Speaker 8: worked with some hackers and they took a deep Grand
Speaker 8: Tiokee out and were able to hack it remotely.
Speaker 2: While yeah remember that story, well remember that well yeah.
Speaker 8: Wired Wired did a big write up on it and
Speaker 8: it caused the big recalls. Again, this is not a
Speaker 8: new idea, and people have been warning about this for
Speaker 8: a long time, and it likes so many things, Gary Jeff.
Speaker 8: The underlying technology that was built into all of this
Speaker 8: stuff is just inherently not secure, right. The stuff was
Speaker 8: designed and built back before these kind of concerns were
Speaker 8: as much of a thing. So when you look at
Speaker 8: something like privacy not included, and you realize how much
Speaker 8: information these things are collecting, but more significantly that they
Speaker 8: could be weaponized. And now you come back to let's
Speaker 8: talk about cars being made in China and imported into
Speaker 8: the US. I mean, every day our relationship with China
Speaker 8: seems to be getting increasingly adversarial. People have probably seen
Speaker 8: the videos of the Chinese navy attacking like the Philippines
Speaker 8: Coast Guard and so forth, you know, and like spraying
Speaker 8: them with hoses and doing all kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker 8: You know, there's just crazy stuff going on here. And
Speaker 8: then hopefully people have seen the recent stories that our
Speaker 8: government required backdoors into various networking equipment that have now
Speaker 8: been exploited by the Chinese Communist Party. The idea that
Speaker 8: you're going to buy a car made at an adversarial
Speaker 8: nation where the all companies are completely controlled by the
Speaker 8: Chinese Communist Party and the PRC, You're going to bring
Speaker 8: that into the United States and then driving around with it,
Speaker 8: not only collecting data about you, potentially listening to you
Speaker 8: through microphones, watching you through cameras, knowing your location, knowing
Speaker 8: everywhere you go once you connect your phone to it,
Speaker 8: knowing pretty much everything about you that any Apple on
Speaker 8: your phone could collect. Now, imagine that there's a back
Speaker 8: door in there that the PRC could one day to say,
Speaker 8: today is the day we're going to invade Taiwan. Today
Speaker 8: is the day we're going to make every Chinese electric
Speaker 8: vehicle become a weapon. Just at a certain time, just
Speaker 8: accelerate until you don't, can't because you run into something.
Speaker 8: And if Art betches that may sound to people that
Speaker 8: is a real possibility. So I'm glad to see the
Speaker 8: Biden administration now coming out and warning about Chinese electric vehicles,
Speaker 8: because I mean, there is a strong possibility. And unless
Speaker 8: you took one apart and analyzed every single line of
Speaker 8: code in it, there's no way you could know whether
Speaker 8: I had this capability built into it or not. And
Speaker 8: you think they're going.
Speaker 2: To tell you, Oh, Now, I know some pretty famous
Speaker 2: people that would have loved to have this technology at
Speaker 2: their fingertips when it came to getting read of maybe
Speaker 2: incriminating or things you didn't want let out. That's on
Speaker 2: your laptop. Wiping a Windows laptop the safest way to
Speaker 2: erase your personal data for free. What can you tell
Speaker 2: me about this Dave Hadder.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so this is a really important concept, more so
Speaker 8: than just to win those PC carre Jeff. I mean,
Speaker 8: who doesn't spend more time on some sort of device,
Speaker 8: and whether it's the infertainment center in your car like
Speaker 8: we just talked about, and that the information it can
Speaker 8: collect about you from the sensors in the car or
Speaker 8: once you plug your phone in, or it's your phone
Speaker 8: or your tablet or your PC. We spend a lot
Speaker 8: more time. You know, our whole society is digital now.
Speaker 8: We do everything online and when you use these electronic devices,
Speaker 8: in almost every case, they're collecting information, some of which
Speaker 8: is potentially sensitive work information, customer information, your financial information,
Speaker 8: whatever that may be. So when it comes time to
Speaker 8: decommission of device, whether it's your phone, your tablet, your car, whatever,
Speaker 8: it's really critical. Even a printer, most modern printers have
Speaker 8: memory built into in so that they can store print jobs. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, hackers will occasionally go after printers because they
Speaker 8: know they can potentially get sensitive information that's been printed
Speaker 8: on the printer. So my point is, whether it's a
Speaker 8: Windows PC or any sort of electronic device that has
Speaker 8: internal memory and storage capability, you really need to be
Speaker 8: thinking about, well, okay, is there sensitive information on this device?
Speaker 8: And if so, what do I need to do about
Speaker 8: it before I get rid of it, before I throw
Speaker 8: it in the garbage, before I take it to a
Speaker 8: recycling center, which would be better than throwing it in
Speaker 8: the garbage, or give it to a friend or donate
Speaker 8: to charity or whatever. You know, you don't want like
Speaker 8: the passwords for your bank account out there. You don't
Speaker 8: want sensitive information like your medical records out there. So
Speaker 8: the badness is depending on the type of device and
Speaker 8: the operating system that has on it. You know, it
Speaker 8: can be somewhat difficult to wipe but the easiest thing
Speaker 8: to understand is, in almost every case there's generally some
Speaker 8: way to restore things to factory defaults. Right if you
Speaker 8: get into the settings, whether it's your Android phone or
Speaker 8: your Apple phone, or you're smart TV or whatever it is,
Speaker 8: there'll be somewhere in the settings to restore the thing
Speaker 8: to factory defaultse, which theoretically will wipe out all the
Speaker 8: information on it. Now, that is a good place to
Speaker 8: start for most people. You know, it's not going to
Speaker 8: stop a determined hacker that has the right skills and
Speaker 8: the right tools right to get the data off of it.
Speaker 8: But if you start with that, now you know, if
Speaker 8: you have a Windows based PC or a Mac or
Speaker 8: something like that, there are specific software tools out there.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 8: You know, in Windows you can restore the factory defaults
Speaker 8: and there's some additional white capabilities, but you can download
Speaker 8: specific software tools explicitly designed to wipe something and wipe
Speaker 8: it to a government level, because just deleting something is
Speaker 8: so important for people to understand. If you go in
Speaker 8: and if you're a nerd like me and you know
Speaker 8: how to do something like format se colling right, well
Speaker 8: that will theoretically erase everything on the drive, but the
Speaker 8: data is still there.
Speaker 2: It just tells the computer.
Speaker 8: It's available, and without much effort you can restore the
Speaker 8: data from it. So just deleting things does not get
Speaker 8: rid of it. You either have to physically destroy something,
Speaker 8: electronically destroy it like with a magnet, or you have
Speaker 8: to use software specifically designed to wipe it. So again,
Speaker 8: just restoring it to the factor of your fault way
Speaker 8: better than nothing. For most people. You should let minimum
Speaker 8: do that. But the best thing for most people probably
Speaker 8: rather than to try to figure this out themselves, and
Speaker 8: there are many of these companies around town. Look up
Speaker 8: E cycling, right, find an authorized company that does electronics recycling,
Speaker 8: and you can take your devices there and they will
Speaker 8: give you a certificate that says it has been white
Speaker 8: you know, sanitized is the appropriate industry term, sanitized in
Speaker 8: the way that you know. I'm not going to tell
Speaker 8: you the NFA couldn't get the data off of it
Speaker 8: at that point, but it would beyond the skills of
Speaker 8: most people. That's really the best thing, Gary as to
Speaker 8: have it wife by a professional like that. And generally,
Speaker 8: if it's being recycled, you know, there's no cost. You
Speaker 8: take it there, they take it, they give you a certificate,
Speaker 8: and you know, you can have a hot pretty high
Speaker 8: level of sure. It's at that point that the data
Speaker 8: is going to be destroyed on.
Speaker 2: That and so I mean, if I've got naked pictures
Speaker 2: of myself with the crack pipe and a prostitute, I
Speaker 2: probably want to all right, Dave, let's.
Speaker 8: Take a quick good plan.
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break and come back and just
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Speaker 2: Once again chatting with Dave Hatter, our it guru, our
Speaker 2: tech head, the nerd about stuff you need to look
Speaker 2: out for in the Internet of Things world that we
Speaker 2: live in. There's a new scam that includes pictures of
Speaker 2: your house. Don't fall you know? I could. I could
Speaker 2: go online and find a picture of the house where
Speaker 2: I live right now, just on Google Earth. But some
Speaker 2: people aren't hip to this yet, Dave, so let them
Speaker 2: know what's going on.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So, there have been numerous reports about this. The
Speaker 8: Electronic Frontier Foundation has a good article and explained it
Speaker 8: in detail. But it's just another scam, you know, first off,
Speaker 8: and one of the reasons why these large data breach
Speaker 8: is like the National Public data data breach recently are
Speaker 8: really devastating to you as a consumer. Is if I'm
Speaker 8: a bad guy and I can get access to information
Speaker 8: that will increase the legitimacy of my con. You know,
Speaker 8: I send you a spoof email so that looks like
Speaker 8: it comes from a legitimate address, And now I have
Speaker 8: information about you that the average person wouldn't know because
Speaker 8: I gleaned it from one of these these dumps, right,
Speaker 8: and think about it, National Public Data. They're a background
Speaker 8: check company. Think of the amount of sensitive information the
Speaker 8: average background check check company would have on someone. So
Speaker 8: now I have access to all this information that wouldn't
Speaker 8: generally be publicly available. So when I run my con
Speaker 8: on you, I'm going to seem much more authentic. Does
Speaker 8: that Does that make sense what I'm saying. I'll get
Speaker 8: back to the house picture. So my point is, because
Speaker 8: there's so much information available about us, the bad guys
Speaker 8: out there now, and because they're very crafty and devious
Speaker 8: and innovative, unfortunately, they're constantly coming up with a new scam.
Speaker 8: So one of these latest is of take off of
Speaker 8: your sort of standard sextortion scam where they're going to,
Speaker 8: in many cases, try to get you to take a
Speaker 8: picture of yourself in some sort of compromising way that
Speaker 8: they can use against you to then blackmail you. Here
Speaker 8: basically what they're doing. And again I wanted to point
Speaker 8: out that in your comments about the Google Earth are
Speaker 8: really important or the Google Maps. You know, right now,
Speaker 8: Google drives around taking pictures of people's houses. Anyone can
Speaker 8: go online and probably find a picture of my house
Speaker 8: very easily, so you know they will. The scammers can
Speaker 8: take that picture send it to you as part of
Speaker 8: a stoofed email. Now they're social engineering you with some
Speaker 8: con in this case that they've got compromising photos of
Speaker 8: you doing something, you know, at your house, and they
Speaker 8: might throw the picture of your house. Isn't that they
Speaker 8: got off Google.
Speaker 2: Or maybe Zillow or wherever.
Speaker 8: Right there's any number of different places where I could
Speaker 8: probably find a photo of your house. And you know,
Speaker 8: if I have a large data breach and I couple
Speaker 8: that with some smart programming, could I send out an
Speaker 8: email to every person's email that is associated with a
Speaker 8: specific physical address and look up that photo and include
Speaker 8: it to try to convince you that I do actually
Speaker 8: have photos of you in some compromising way at your house. Yes,
Speaker 8: that is all a very real thing. So I'm not
Speaker 8: saying they're sitting around thinking, hey, let's target Gary Jeff
Speaker 8: Walker today with a photo of his house and telling
Speaker 8: we have some compromising photos and we're going to you
Speaker 8: don't send us some money, We're going to release them
Speaker 8: on the internet and say this can all be automated.
Speaker 8: Scale now unfortunately, because so much of this data is available,
Speaker 8: and it not only speaks to if you get one
Speaker 8: of these emails with a photo of your house claiming
Speaker 8: they've got compromising photos, if ninety nine percent likelihood at
Speaker 8: a scam, probably ninety nine point nine percent likelihood as
Speaker 8: a scam. But you know, anytime you get an email
Speaker 8: or a text, it's easy to spoof that voicemail. You know,
Speaker 8: now you're throw into voice cloning. It's easy to create
Speaker 8: an email that looks like it came from a legitimate source.
Speaker 8: It's easy to copy content from the website. It's easy
Speaker 8: to buy this information off the dark web. So you
Speaker 8: just you've got to be extra skeptical and extra ventulent
Speaker 8: and understand that the comment will take this information that
Speaker 8: is now sadly available without most of us and use
Speaker 8: it to create extra authenticity and extra urgency. You know,
Speaker 8: so you're going to be caught off guard and be
Speaker 8: more likely to fall victim of your scam. And honestly,
Speaker 8: Gary Jeff decides the education and awareness like we're doing here,
Speaker 8: your next best to defin is to be super visiant,
Speaker 8: be super skeptical, take up deep breath and just step
Speaker 8: back and say, you know, is this real? Probably not.
Speaker 8: And then generally if you do little research, you're going
Speaker 8: to find very quickly it's almost always a scam. As
Speaker 8: soon as you pay, they're going to sell your information
Speaker 8: to other scammers who will come after you as well,
Speaker 8: because then you've just verified that you're you know, you're
Speaker 8: a target.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, once you pay extortion money, you'll
Speaker 2: always be paying extortion money, So try not to let
Speaker 2: it happen in the first place. Speaking of scams, a
Speaker 2: lot of people out looking for jobs. I know we
Speaker 2: had to do some rosy job numbers out last Friday,
Speaker 2: but we had rosy ones earlier in the year that
Speaker 2: they had to revise downward. But a lot of people
Speaker 2: are out there looking for jobs right now, Dave, And
Speaker 2: this scam targets people who are looking for jobs with
Speaker 2: fake listings. The FBI has warned about this. Tell me
Speaker 2: a little bit more.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think this is a super important topic because
Speaker 8: I can tell you from first hand experience. I family
Speaker 8: know a lot of people in the job market right now.
Speaker 8: The going is very tough. And yeah, to your point,
Speaker 8: I know the job numbers, whatever they release tend to
Speaker 8: get revised down substantially every time. So I want to
Speaker 8: give a quick plug to two organizations. The Kenton County
Speaker 8: Library has something called the Northern Kentucky Accountability Group, which
Speaker 8: is designed to help job seekers find jobs, improve their resume,
Speaker 8: get new headshots, learn about networking, learn how to use
Speaker 8: social media, learn how to use the resources at the
Speaker 8: library to do research. It's a great organization. I've spoken
Speaker 8: there a couple of times, and basically all you need
Speaker 8: is a kent County Library card. It's free to use
Speaker 8: at that point if people are looking for a job.
Speaker 8: I can't stress en up how helpful that is. And
Speaker 8: then also on the Ohio side of the river, the
Speaker 8: Job Search Forum Group JSFG, if you just look it up,
Speaker 8: very similar organization. I know lots of volunteers that work
Speaker 8: with both of these groups. So if you're looking for
Speaker 8: a job, or you're having trouble, you need help with
Speaker 8: a resume or whatever. Either one or both of these
Speaker 8: groups great way to network, great way to meet folks
Speaker 8: who can and want them help you. So with that said,
Speaker 8: the FBI has warned about this, and it kind of
Speaker 8: speaks to some of what we've just discussed before. You know,
Speaker 8: scams are rampant. They're everywhere. The scammers are smart, they
Speaker 8: want your money. They'll come at you in any way
Speaker 8: and every way they can, which includes things like search
Speaker 8: engine poisoning. I can go to a site like a
Speaker 8: Dice or Monster and I can list a job as
Speaker 8: a scammer. Right I pay. I put my job out there,
Speaker 8: so there's an extra air of authenticity because it's now
Speaker 8: posted on a real job site again, Dice, Monster, Ladders,
Speaker 8: career Builder, pick one and I. You know, so I
Speaker 8: find this job and then usually you get sucked down
Speaker 8: some kind of rabbit hole of you know, they can't
Speaker 8: wait to hire you, but oh, we're gonna need you
Speaker 8: to do some training first, and we're gonna need you
Speaker 8: to pay for that training, or you're gonna have to
Speaker 8: buy some equipment, and you're gonna have to pay for
Speaker 8: that equipment and then you'll be reimbursed after we hire you.
Speaker 8: But you know, sometimes it's a little less less elaborate
Speaker 8: than that. They just want to steal some credentials or something.
Speaker 8: But most of the time they're going to run you
Speaker 8: down a rabbit hole where they're going to convince you
Speaker 8: that you're going to get some kind of excellent job.
Speaker 8: And again they might use doppelganger websites where they've copied
Speaker 8: someone's real website and set it up. They're linking to
Speaker 8: it from dice. Everything looks legitimate, and then next thing,
Speaker 8: you know, they want you to pay for something. So
Speaker 8: I mean, that's that's one of the biggest red flags.
Speaker 8: And I would say the same thing about recruiters. You know,
Speaker 8: I've worked with head hunters in the past, as have
Speaker 8: many people. I know, if they want you to pay
Speaker 8: up front, you know, most headhunters get paid by your employer.
Speaker 8: They get paid when they help you get employed. The
Speaker 8: employer pays their fee, you know, So right off the bat,
Speaker 8: I would strongly suggest, and I think the FBI would agree,
Speaker 8: if you go read what they have to say, and
Speaker 8: I encourage folks go see what they are saying about this,
Speaker 8: so you'll be you know, more a team to the
Speaker 8: tells of this. But if they want you to pay
Speaker 8: up front for a job, something is wrong, something is
Speaker 8: not right, almost guaranteed scam. If it feels too good
Speaker 8: to be true, it probably is. And just understand that.
Speaker 8: You know, whether it's an email telling you about a job,
Speaker 8: someone reaches out to you on LinkedIn, because I get
Speaker 8: that all the time. Oh, your profile looks fantastic and
Speaker 8: you know you have the perfect experience and we would
Speaker 8: like to hire you today, blah blah blah. Usually it's
Speaker 8: you know, the language is kind of weird, but you
Speaker 8: know they'll come at you from any angle, Gary Jeff.
Speaker 8: And as soon as they'll use legitimate websites to give
Speaker 8: whatever their con is some air of legitimacy. So you've
Speaker 8: got to be aware, you've got to be skeptical. And
Speaker 8: as soon as they ask for money upfront, or they
Speaker 8: never ever want to do any kind of meeting, right, Yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, it's not uncommon now for people to be
Speaker 8: interviewed over zoom or teams or something. But if no
Speaker 8: one can ever meet in person, and I get it
Speaker 8: could be a remote job. You know, those are red flags.
Speaker 8: People should go read what the FBI is saying, and
Speaker 8: I would encourage every job seeker out there, you know,
Speaker 8: go read what they're saying, and then you know, follow
Speaker 8: them on Twitter or x because they're constantly warning about
Speaker 8: this stuff and putting out great tips that will help
Speaker 8: you not get scanned. Because really, think about it, Gary Jeff,
Speaker 8: how scummy is it Someone has already down, they already
Speaker 8: have a problem, and now you're going to steal money
Speaker 8: from them while they're looking for a job. I mean,
Speaker 8: come on, it doesn't get too much more than that, No.
Speaker 2: It doesn't. You can hear Dave Hatter every Friday morning
Speaker 2: on fifty five KRC, and like I said, you see
Speaker 2: him everywhere because he's got the good stuff. He's got
Speaker 2: the goods. And thanks for sharing those goods with us tonight,
Speaker 2: mister Hatter.
Speaker 8: Always my pleasure, Gary Jeff, look forward to chatting with he.
Speaker 2: Against it all right, brother. The Nightcap continues with the
Speaker 2: wild Man coming up and aj Rice Jeff Walker back
Speaker 2: in the saddle and back to talk to my friend
Speaker 2: aj Rice, who was the head of Publius, which is
Speaker 2: absolutely one of the leading in fact, if not one
Speaker 2: of probably the leading publicity firm in the nation. They
Speaker 2: have all kinds of authors and interesting people. And that's
Speaker 2: where I get a lot of guests thanks to a
Speaker 2: courtesy of AJ and Drew and the rest of the
Speaker 2: rest of the White Dudes Not for Harris. The new
Speaker 2: book is the White Privilege Album Publius Prose, Volume two.
Speaker 2: It is so funny the subtitle bringing racial harmony to
Speaker 2: very fine people on both sides once again, AJ Rice, Hello,
Speaker 2: and welcome to the Nightcap.
Speaker 6: And I'm not just the White Dudes not for Harris,
Speaker 6: uh President, I'm also a client charter founding member of
Speaker 6: White Dudes, not for Harris. Big shout out to the
Speaker 6: very fine people out there in this audience. You know
Speaker 6: who you are, all right.
Speaker 2: So the first thing when I when I got my copy,
Speaker 2: by the way, thank you for the book. When I
Speaker 2: got my copy, the first thing I do when I
Speaker 2: turn the inside page is the advance praise for the
Speaker 2: White Privilege Album. And I'm gonna I'm just gonna read
Speaker 2: a couple of these and I'll save the rest for
Speaker 2: those who are gonna actually go out and get the book.
Speaker 2: And you should get it. It's hilarious. If you enjoy
Speaker 2: humor and satire and UH attacks on the UH on
Speaker 2: the current woke culture in America. You will love this book.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's like, it's better than the Babylon
Speaker 2: b aj It's wonderful. Here it is advance praise for
Speaker 2: the White Privilege Album by AJ Rice. What do you
Speaker 2: mean gen Z doesn't know the Republican Party freed the slaves?
Speaker 2: Are these people dumb? Af They need to write, They
Speaker 2: need to read aj Rice's book. That came from Abraham Lincoln,
Speaker 2: American lawyer, statesman and sixteenth President of the United States,
Speaker 2: shot by a pre Hollywood anti American actor. This is
Speaker 2: frid and I like it.
Speaker 6: There's nothing like getting a blurb from Lincoln.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean you've got a positive blurb from Lincoln.
Speaker 2: There are some more celebrities who chimed in through the
Speaker 2: ages somehow. In twenty twenty four for the White Privilege album.
Speaker 2: Jesus and I have been doing holidays a long time,
Speaker 2: and in his thought provoking new book, aj Rice teaches
Speaker 2: both of us where all the white liberals went. Apparently
Speaker 2: they now celebrate something called Kwanza. Who knew that's from
Speaker 2: Santa Claus cookie eater reindeer tender and white, heteronormative Christian saint.
Speaker 2: How did you get all these all these historical characters?
Speaker 6: Number one, Look, I told Don Junior an RF kid Jr.
Speaker 6: I didn't want their blurbs because I've got Santa Claus
Speaker 6: and I've got Ben Franklin and Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2: Jeez. So I wanted to talk to you a couple
Speaker 2: of things that happened over the weekend. Ajay and get
Speaker 2: your read on this. Andrea Mitchell from MSNBC was quoted
Speaker 2: over the weekend saying that Kamala Harris needs to do
Speaker 2: more media because she needs to bolster her image with
Speaker 2: men and that and that they don't they don't think
Speaker 2: she's a serious person. Well, the fact of the matter
Speaker 2: is if they don't think she's a serious person, it's
Speaker 2: not misogyny. It's because Kamala Harris is not a serious person,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 6: And look, she's the you know, second most most unlikable
Speaker 6: woman in history after Hillary. Yeah, and and and has
Speaker 6: half the IQ of Hillary. And and look, you.
Speaker 2: Know she's she's kept men away her whole life.
Speaker 6: We talked about it. She couldn't find a husband until
Speaker 6: she was fifty So, I mean, what do you expect.
Speaker 6: I mean, the American male is not going to be fooled.
Speaker 4: We were not.
Speaker 6: We're out of here just to vote for you because
Speaker 6: of your body parts. And you're you're a Jamaican, and
Speaker 6: you're Canadian, you're Indian, you're this, you're that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: I mean, come on, there's nothing relatable to this woman.
Speaker 6: And she does look like look and we talk about Hillary, right,
Speaker 6: it's gotta be eaten Hillary up looking at this woman,
Speaker 6: the accidental nominee. Hillary actually won a primary. She was
Speaker 6: she won primaries against Obama, then she won primaries against Bernie,
Speaker 6: became the nominee, debated Trump three times. Right, So I
Speaker 6: mean she's I guarantee you if you could get it's
Speaker 6: somehow inside of you know, Hillary, like you know, some
Speaker 6: sort of you could unzip hillary skin suit and you
Speaker 6: could get in there. Now my recommending this, by the way, ladies,
Speaker 6: but I'll tell you, if you could get in there
Speaker 6: and see through her eyes. She's looking at Kamala, I
Speaker 6: guarantee you all she sees is Monica Lewinsky.
Speaker 2: Speaking speaking of her.
Speaker 6: She looks at Kamala, she sees Monica Lewinsky speaking of
Speaker 6: just does Kamala have a blue dress?
Speaker 2: I think I saw her in one, and and I
Speaker 2: didn't see any stains. I didn't like blue.
Speaker 6: She's been wearing these, these outfits, these get ups, and
Speaker 6: I'm sure the audience loves this. Two men talking about
Speaker 6: what women are wearing. But she looks she dresses like
Speaker 6: she's the manager of H and R.
Speaker 4: Block.
Speaker 6: She wears these shirts, these these suits, tops that look
Speaker 6: like Seinfeld's puffy shirt, remember the puffy shirt from sil
Speaker 6: looks like a pirate. She looks like a pirate. In fact,
Speaker 6: she is kind of She's kind of a pirate because
Speaker 6: she's here to rob your wallet.
Speaker 2: I hate to confess this, but yes, in that era,
Speaker 2: I was inspired to go out and buy a puffy
Speaker 2: shirt simply because Jerry Seinfeld did on TV. Is Hillary?
Speaker 2: Is Hillary Clinton perhaps the most bitter woman in America ever.
Speaker 2: I mean, she still hasn't gotten over twenty sixteen. She
Speaker 2: still thinks so no.
Speaker 6: No, she ain't gotten over Obama beating her. Oh I know, God,
Speaker 6: I mean Obama beat her like a drum. However, whether
Speaker 6: remember when they're standing on stage with Edwards Spaghegy Edwards
Speaker 6: and they're standing up there and they're asking Obama, what
Speaker 6: say something nice about your opponent. Obama goes, you're likable enough.
Speaker 6: You're likable enough. It's one of the greatest things Obama
Speaker 6: ever said. You know Hillary, Yeah, yeah, you're likable enough.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe Bama.
Speaker 6: Remember remember she was married to the first black president.
Speaker 6: There she is getting beaten. There, she is getting beaten
Speaker 6: by the second black president.
Speaker 2: So you know, the White Privilege Album is the book A. J. Rice,
Speaker 2: the author from Publius PR Firm. And I gotta ask
Speaker 2: you too about since we're talking about current events, are
Speaker 2: you surprised at all? This actually came from X. I
Speaker 2: saw this from a FEMA meeting, And this is actual
Speaker 2: quotes from a FEMA meeting where they said, first, the
Speaker 2: relief has to go to the LGBTQ population because they've
Speaker 2: already been suffering. They actually said that in a FEMA meeting.
Speaker 2: Does that surprise you at all?
Speaker 6: No, not at all. I'm not shocked. We are now
Speaker 6: we are now identity politics. We are now separating our
Speaker 6: victims based upon sexual orientation. I mean, it is so insane.
Speaker 6: They all need to be sued. This is against equal
Speaker 6: protection clause. It's outrageous. The fact that they sort of
Speaker 6: that they even think this way means that they need
Speaker 6: a freaking reset on their gray matter. It's unbelievable. Oh,
Speaker 6: I mean, but then again, I don't really see a
Speaker 6: lot of people come and run and to save North
Speaker 6: Carolina the way I saw them come running to save
Speaker 6: the Katrina people. Right, No, So, I mean they're playing
Speaker 6: a little game. They play identity politics with people's lives.
Speaker 6: They should be ashamed of themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, FEMA relief is no longer about getting the greatest
Speaker 2: good for the greatest amount of people. It's about disaster equity,
Speaker 2: which I didn't even know existed, the disaster equity.
Speaker 6: And looked, twenty seven out of the twenty nine counties
Speaker 6: hit by Helene in North Carolina all voted for Trump.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, so you just do the freaking math. I mean,
Speaker 6: are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: You can't know?
Speaker 4: You should?
Speaker 6: We need to go down there and start putting signs
Speaker 6: up welcome to Ukraine and maybe they'll move fastest.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Joe Biden and Kamala and how Hillary hates
Speaker 2: Obama and he hates Kamala because she sees Monica Lewinsky,
Speaker 2: Joe Biden running rough shot over Kamala when she was
Speaker 2: when he came out for the first time in his
Speaker 2: presidency to the White House Press Corps to answer questions
Speaker 2: and bigfoot her and tie her to everything that administration
Speaker 2: has done. That was, I mean, you want to talk
Speaker 2: about bitter people, Joe Biden, Joe.
Speaker 6: Biden where Yeah, well look, but in fairness to him,
Speaker 6: he didn't really know where he was. He had never
Speaker 6: been in that room. There was an audible gasp when
Speaker 6: he entered it. You know, I think he thought he
Speaker 6: was like Uncle Miltie's bar right in Wilmington, at the
Speaker 6: pub on the corner with corn pop, and he's just
Speaker 6: start to you know, all this and hey, everybody, you
Speaker 6: know all this terrible crap We've been doing here for
Speaker 6: four years. She was the author of all of it.
Speaker 6: So write that down.
Speaker 2: I love I love the book. The way you you
Speaker 2: do the chapters as a track listing on an actual album.
Speaker 2: That that was brilliant.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Number one is jan Privilege. And you do it months
Speaker 2: to months and have.
Speaker 4: All these tee months of privilege.
Speaker 2: The twelve months of privilege for very fine people on
Speaker 2: both sides.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 2: Obama's dreams of my woke nightmare, and.
Speaker 6: Well, you go through the book, you know, the first
Speaker 6: chapter of January in the last December. So we go
Speaker 6: through an entire calendar year of craziness, and you know,
Speaker 6: we touch on different historical events that take place, some
Speaker 6: of which have become holidays. So we cover everything from
Speaker 6: you know, June teenth to Halloween, and we have some
Speaker 6: fun with it. You know, you go to October, you
Speaker 6: get Columbus Day, you get Halloween. You find out how
Speaker 6: I want to dress up like a black guy for Halloween,
Speaker 6: but they won't let me. You know, all through the eighties,
Speaker 6: I was dressed up like Doctor J for Halloween. Now
Speaker 6: they won't let me.
Speaker 2: I thought I was Doctor J when I was when
Speaker 2: I was a teenager, I wanted to beat Doctor J
Speaker 2: so bad. Hey, brother, I haven't had the natural fro.
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't have to.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about Oh yeah, come on.
Speaker 2: The only problem was, you know, the only problem was
Speaker 2: I had an eighteen inch vertical leap. Maybe at best.
Speaker 2: Here it is. Here's another heading of one of these
Speaker 2: privileged track listings. White splaining is super fun. Everyone should
Speaker 2: try it.
Speaker 6: It's amaz, it's amazing. White's planning is one of the funniest. Look.
Speaker 6: They have created a whole sort of you know, sub
Speaker 6: language with this wokeness, right yeah, I mean, and there's
Speaker 6: nothing more fun than deriding them for it.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 6: White explaining is basically, you know something that some dummy
Speaker 6: doesn't know. And your ancestors happened to be from Western Europe,
Speaker 6: so you're White's plaining to them. Now, now you're a dummy,
Speaker 6: and I'm here to explain to you. Where to plug
Speaker 6: the extension cord is ridiculous, you know, and everybody knows
Speaker 6: where to plug the extension courts At the back of
Speaker 6: Joe Biden's rear rant. That's where the extension court goes.
Speaker 6: That's the only thing that keeps him going.
Speaker 2: You know what, You make so many great valid points
Speaker 2: in the White Privilege album, aj Rice, But I just
Speaker 2: turned to this. I'm on page seventy six, and you're
Speaker 2: talking about celebrating the great emancipator of America's pastime, and
Speaker 2: you talk about how Major League Baseball rightly celebrates Jackie
Speaker 2: Robinson Day, but there should be another celebration in Major
Speaker 2: League Baseball branch Ricky Day, because he was the guy
Speaker 2: who had the kahunas and guts to step out. I mean,
Speaker 2: there are very very funny things in this book. I
Speaker 2: guess my point is, but there are some very very
Speaker 2: serious points you make that have been ignored by the
Speaker 2: people who who write the revisionist history in America.
Speaker 6: Sure, and I do get into a lot of different
Speaker 6: aspects of sports, everything from Jim Brown to Aaron Judge
Speaker 6: of the New York Yankees, and you know, it's one
Speaker 6: of the great's supposed to Sports is supposed to be
Speaker 6: one of the great equalizers. And obviously our sports media
Speaker 6: is as left wing as our political media, and they
Speaker 6: are constantly trying to divide us.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: They never liked the fact that Derek Jeter would not
Speaker 6: put his blackfist in the air. They don't like when
Speaker 6: Michael Jordan says Republicans by sneakers too. They don't like that.
Speaker 6: They don't like it. It's off script. They want you
Speaker 6: to stay on script. And the script is sixteen nineteen
Speaker 6: project black Lives Matter, black national anthem at the football games,
Speaker 6: get on the ground with Kaepernick and shut your mouth.
Speaker 6: And that's not what this country's supposed to be. You know. Recently,
Speaker 6: it's not in the book, but a recent example is
Speaker 6: they're all over Patrick Mahomes because he won't weigh in
Speaker 6: on every single little political issue, right because his wife
Speaker 6: like like some Donald Trump post. You know, when you
Speaker 6: look at Patrick Mahomes, who's got a white mom and
Speaker 6: a black dad. He's married to a white woman, which
Speaker 6: makes his two children a quarter black. That we're keeping
Speaker 6: track of this stuff like insane people. Okay, only insane
Speaker 6: people do this, you know, Irish people. We just keep
Speaker 6: track of how many shots we've had before we fall.
Speaker 6: That's what we keep track of. And and look Mahomes,
Speaker 6: who's amazing. He's become the face of the league now
Speaker 6: the Brady's gone. He doesn't want to get in on it.
Speaker 6: He doesn't want to weigh in on it. And all
Speaker 6: those little left wing race bader hacks out there at
Speaker 6: the Atlantic and on freaking ESPN, they're all mad that
Speaker 6: he won't put the black fist in the air. It's
Speaker 6: just ridiculous. I mean, Mahomes and his family. Isn't that
Speaker 6: sort of the prototype of what Martin Luther King was
Speaker 6: talking about, that we're all just eventually become one people
Speaker 6: and we'll marry this one and that one, and that,
Speaker 6: you know, isn't that what we're supposed to do here.
Speaker 6: The Irish and the Italians used to hate each other.
Speaker 6: Now we're all married to each.
Speaker 2: Other, which makes for some very he makes some very
Speaker 2: interesting dinner parties at the look. No, no, you know
Speaker 2: what you mentioned, of course, And how could you not
Speaker 2: mention if you're talking about wet WoT culture in America
Speaker 2: and the politicians who are exploiting that, like Elizabeth Warren.
Speaker 2: You know the old joke about Elizabeth Warren. You never
Speaker 2: buy a car from Elizabeth Warren because it'll be advertised
Speaker 2: as a red Cherokee. You get there and it's a
Speaker 2: white suburban. That's right. The book is the White Privilege
Speaker 2: Album Publius Pros. Volume two, bringing racial harmony to very
Speaker 2: fine people on both sides. The author is aj Rice,
Speaker 2: and there's a forward by one of my favorite people,
Speaker 2: Vincent Everard Albert. I've had Vee on my show a
Speaker 2: number of times and let him know I'm looking for
Speaker 2: another interview soon before election. All right, aj Rice, thank
Speaker 2: you for your time. Brother. I really do appreciate you, man,
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Everybody get out there and vote.
Speaker 2: Let's do this, yep. And after you vote, by the
Speaker 2: white Privilege album do It? Thanks AJ, It's the Nightcap
Speaker 2: and the wild Man. Not that that wasn't a wild
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Speaker 6: Deep in the back of your mind, you've always had
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Speaker 2: you this evening? Good sir, Always glad to be with you.
Speaker 4: Happy Monday night.
Speaker 2: Happy Monday night. Indeed, first off, foremost we're talking about
Speaker 2: Terry Francona. We're talking about the Cincinnati Rads. You actually
Speaker 2: hope that this would happen, and Tito was coming out
Speaker 2: of retirement to manage the Cincinnati Redgs in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: Your thoughts as soon as it was announced that the
Speaker 4: Reds had let David Bell leave. I had it out
Speaker 4: on Facebook. Hier Terry Francona, Hier Terry.
Speaker 2: Franconack you told me ed, Yeah, And.
Speaker 4: Gary jump Ike said that they should have hired him,
Speaker 4: you know, ten years fit twelve years ago before they
Speaker 4: hired Dusty Baker. But they didn't listen to me this
Speaker 4: time they did. But I got to tell you this
Speaker 4: right out of the gate. The jersey number that Terry
Speaker 4: Francona will wear number seventy seven, seven times seven equals fourteen.
Speaker 4: How's that for an omen.
Speaker 2: It's always it was always a Pete Rose time continuum
Speaker 2: with you, no matter what you're talking, you always go
Speaker 2: back to Rose baby.
Speaker 4: And he played under Pete. Oh yeah, eighty seven. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he played under Pete.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 4: I think I think Terry did that for a reason.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, it's quite possible. I mean, why not.
Speaker 2: But just your thoughts on his health. Apparently he's ready
Speaker 2: to take that challenge on again, even though he said
Speaker 2: he he retired for health reasons when he left Cleveland
Speaker 2: and all of that. But this is a Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame manager who is coming to this moribund franchise with
Speaker 2: you know, great history, great past, but not a recent past.
Speaker 2: That many can be proud of and talk about, even
Speaker 2: a member of the lifelong member of the rail gang
Speaker 2: like you, wild man. So what does Terry Francona bring
Speaker 2: besides wisdom and the pedigree and and can he really
Speaker 2: turned this around?
Speaker 4: Well, he's a winner. He's a winner. I mean, two
Speaker 4: World Series titles, won the most games ever in the
Speaker 4: history of the Cleveland Indians. I'll never say that other
Speaker 4: name of the team or reviews to do and it
Speaker 4: will never do it chief while lives forever. He's He's
Speaker 4: a winner, man, He's a winner. I know for a
Speaker 4: fact that Terry Francona watched a lot of Reds games
Speaker 4: this year. I know for a fact that he did,
Speaker 4: and he sees the core of the team. We've got
Speaker 4: some good players still, We've got some good players, but
Speaker 4: you got to have some other players to help it out.
Speaker 4: And he'll he'll get the guys to be held accountable.
Speaker 4: They have to be. I guess that's one of David
Speaker 4: Bell's false I don't know nobody has really come out
Speaker 4: and set it directly, but I think Jonathan India kind
Speaker 4: of did. But they they've got a winner and Terry Franconan.
Speaker 4: They really do. It's not gonna, that's gonna. We would
Speaker 4: like to see it happen immediately. You never know, but
Speaker 4: let's be patient. He's here for three years, I believe,
Speaker 4: with an option. But they've got a hell of a
Speaker 4: lot of hell of a manager.
Speaker 2: We really do, they really do.
Speaker 4: They're really They're lucky to get them, they really are.
Speaker 2: You mentioned that the Reds do have good players, and
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Which of the players are the
Speaker 2: current Reds roster? Do you think are Terry francona kind
Speaker 2: of players that can contribute to this winning season? If
Speaker 2: the Reds can think about that, Who are who are?
Speaker 2: Who are t well? Well?
Speaker 4: For Welford, Jonathan India is one we sure because he
Speaker 4: always plays hard. That's that's a definite. Uh. Jake Freeley, definitely,
Speaker 4: he plays hard all the time. Elie de la Cruz,
Speaker 4: I mean that guy has one motor and that's always
Speaker 4: to go out. So he's got, you know, some guys
Speaker 4: to lean on. And then of course you know, he's
Speaker 4: really good with young players. I mean, I think I
Speaker 4: heard Marty Branahan say that he's really good with young
Speaker 4: players and he knows how to handle the veteran players.
Speaker 4: To give him a kick in the button when they're needed,
Speaker 4: or pat him on the shoulder when when it's needed.
Speaker 4: They were the reds at a Grand Slam. With this
Speaker 4: higher they really have. I mean a manager is only
Speaker 4: good maybe for five six seven wins a year. I
Speaker 4: mean that's when you break it down. But those five
Speaker 4: six or seven wins could get him into the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no doubt about it. How did how did
Speaker 2: you feel about you? He said they should have hired
Speaker 2: Terry Francona before they hired Dusty Baker. How do you
Speaker 2: How do you feel looking back on on Dusty Baker's tenure.
Speaker 2: I mean he got he got him to the play playoffs,
Speaker 2: but they could never win uh in the playoffs? Uh?
Speaker 2: So I mean compare the two because Dusty Baker was
Speaker 2: successful during the regular season everywhere he ever managed.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Terry Francona has been successful, obviously, winning a couple of
Speaker 2: World Series rings in Boston and getting Cleveland right up
Speaker 2: to the precipice of that greatness. Your your thoughts remembering
Speaker 2: back to Dusty Baker and what he brought to I was.
Speaker 4: Never I wasn't a big Dusty Baker fan at all,
Speaker 4: not at all. I mean I was against the hiring.
Speaker 4: I said they should have They weren't gonna we weren't
Speaker 4: going to hire Pete. I wanted Pete mccannon, who really
Speaker 4: kind of took the bull by the horns and had
Speaker 4: a winning record as interfim manager after they after they
Speaker 4: let Brian Price go. But you know, Dusty did a
Speaker 4: good job and he'll be in the Redgs Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: He did a fine job. But it seemed, it seemed
Speaker 4: to me, Gary, Jeff, I'm not really seeing It's obvious
Speaker 4: it was right there. He changed his managing style when
Speaker 4: they got in the playoffs for some reason. He wasn't
Speaker 4: the same manager as he was during the Raidar season.
Speaker 4: And you can't do that. You can't. It's like you're
Speaker 4: changing horses and mystery and it never works, never has.
Speaker 4: And he just couldn't get him over the hump. You
Speaker 4: just couldn't get him over the ump. And I'll let
Speaker 4: me tell you this. Had they not had that rain
Speaker 4: delay in Cleveland, Hary Frank come to it, had another
Speaker 4: World Series rain because the role as Chapman was on
Speaker 4: the verge of being Steve Bartman number two.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, uh here we let's do one more
Speaker 2: thing here, because we talked about this the last time
Speaker 2: we chatted, I believe, was about moving La de la
Speaker 2: Cruz to center field with that arm and the speed
Speaker 2: he has. Uh what I I mean, what do the
Speaker 2: Reds have to do? Is Matt McLain going to be
Speaker 2: a part of this if he's healthy next year? And
Speaker 2: can they move la out into uh out into center fills?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 4: I think I think that makes sense. So the ground
Speaker 4: that guy can cover in the arm that he has, now,
Speaker 4: would he be willing to do it? Hey, if you're
Speaker 4: a team player, you'd be willing to do it. Pete
Speaker 4: Rose would move to any position for the team. Did
Speaker 4: he not? Did he not move to from leftfield to
Speaker 4: third base so George Foster can play?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Did he not move to the leftfield so Tommy Hens
Speaker 4: could play? I mean, Ellie Day La Cruise a team
Speaker 4: player and if you're if you're a shortstop, you can
Speaker 4: play center field. Eric Davis started out as a short stop,
Speaker 4: played centerfield. Now the Rets have been quiet about this.
Speaker 4: Maybe they'll address this when he gets the spring training.
Speaker 4: It all hedges Gary jeff on the health of Matt McClain,
Speaker 4: who is a natural shortstop. He will not make those
Speaker 4: thirty eight errors at shortstop. There's no way he will.
Speaker 4: But will they move Ellie day La Cruise. To me,
Speaker 4: it's a no brainer and they should do it. Just
Speaker 4: do it now'll just.
Speaker 2: Do it well. Injuries have played as much a part in,
Speaker 2: you know, the Reds not performing. I mean, they did
Speaker 2: obviously almost make five hundred this year, but they got
Speaker 2: to do much better than that if we're going to
Speaker 2: return to the days of glory at Great American Ballpark.
Speaker 2: Any final thoughts on the Reds because we're going to
Speaker 2: move to the Bengals here in just a moment, one.
Speaker 4: And fifty five days, I believe to open a day,
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Wild Man's always chomping at the bit for more Reds
Speaker 2: baseball and Terry francona Jersey seventy seven seven plus seven
Speaker 2: equals what wild Man fourteen?
Speaker 4: It's an omen, baby, It's an omen.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll talk about Bengals and the one and
Speaker 2: four start and yesterday's game here in just a moment.
Speaker 2: As we put the rap on this nightcap on seven hundred,
Speaker 2: wa I thought, maybe, just maybe I don't have any experience,
Speaker 2: but I could have held that ball that snap a
Speaker 2: little bit better than Ricode did yesterday in the Bengals
Speaker 2: loss and what turned out to be the defining play
Speaker 2: of that overtime loss to the Baltimore Ravens yesterday at
Speaker 2: pay Court Stadium. I know you had to be just
Speaker 2: like like all Bengals fans, you had to be just
Speaker 2: just chewing your heart out, eating your heart out at
Speaker 2: the end of that game, after such a superb performance
Speaker 2: by Joe Burrow in the offense, and again you expect
Speaker 2: the Bengals defense to not have, you know, an ability
Speaker 2: to stop the run because they have an all season long,
Speaker 2: and Lamar Jackson made him look foolish at the wrong times,
Speaker 2: and they did a pretty good job with Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2: But in the end, it was not to be Bengals fans.
Speaker 2: They start the season one and four with only an
Speaker 2: eyelashes chance of even contemplating the playoffs. Now zero and
Speaker 2: three at home. It's just it's just turned out to
Speaker 2: be such a disaster of season, and Joe Burrow's been healthy.
Speaker 2: Explain what happened?
Speaker 4: Well, I get you got about an hour, Well.
Speaker 2: We got about eight minutes, So go ahead, Oh.
Speaker 4: Oh, Gary, Jeff, I mean, when you score thirty eight points,
Speaker 4: you should win every game. If you look at the
Speaker 4: last three games the Bengals have played, those those were
Speaker 4: you know, they did win one of them, but they
Speaker 4: were very winnable. The New England Patriots game, that was
Speaker 4: a simple case of head coach Zach Taylor not having
Speaker 4: the guys ready to play the very first game of
Speaker 4: the year like he has the last four seasons. Now,
Speaker 4: now we're gonna we're gonna come down hard. I'm sure
Speaker 4: on the uh on the the placeholder for the attempted
Speaker 4: field goal, but that that was just a dumb call
Speaker 4: to try to kick a field goal from that distance.
Speaker 4: They had three chances. They didn't even attempt to throw
Speaker 4: a pass. Now, Zach Tailor made a name a lame
Speaker 4: comment about the Joe was given the chance to throw it,
Speaker 4: but he checked off. But he still had two other chances.
Speaker 4: You have two receivers with four touchdowns, amazing, one receiver
Speaker 4: with almost two hundred yards, and you got a quarterback.
Speaker 4: You're paying fifty five million dollars. You put it in
Speaker 4: the hands of the quarterback. Do you think do you
Speaker 4: think that the head coach of the Chiefs would be
Speaker 4: going for a field goal and he's got Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 4: back there. Come on, man, you put it in the
Speaker 4: hands of your quarterback. He already threw from aulmost four
Speaker 4: hundred yards. Terrible decision, just terrible. And that's typical of
Speaker 4: Zach Taylor. He's never aggressive. He always plays passive, and
Speaker 4: passive will get you to lose every damn time.
Speaker 2: Well and again, these running plays right up the middle
Speaker 2: into the heart of that Baltimore defense. They're the number
Speaker 2: one rushing defense in the NFL. What were all those
Speaker 2: running plays straight up the guy that the Bengals were attempting.
Speaker 4: Well, you tell me. And what's the point of having
Speaker 4: an offensive coordinator if he's not going to call the plays.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can save that money and maybe pick
Speaker 4: up an extra player and for the for the team.
Speaker 4: I mean this this falls in the hands of the
Speaker 4: head coach. It does. This loss was on Zach Taylor.
Speaker 4: Zach Taylor's play calling his atrocious And you know what,
Speaker 4: the majority of Bengal fans are seeing this now. They
Speaker 4: are really seeing this now. And let's let's put this
Speaker 4: out here for you. When he was offensive coordinator at
Speaker 4: Miami for the Dolphins, he's stunk and he was the
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator at UC. He's stunk. He's not a very
Speaker 4: he cannot call the plays. He cannot He's not good
Speaker 4: at it, especially in crunch time.
Speaker 2: Yeah time. I find his play calling very offensive and
Speaker 2: no good, no good, get you.
Speaker 4: And how about the way this game I'm pooled it
Speaker 4: where you know, just before the Ravens kick the game
Speaker 4: winning field goal, but Lamar Jackson, he bubbles the ball.
Speaker 4: He's flushed out of the pocket. I know, Sam Hubbard
Speaker 4: almost has them, falls down, and he runs to the
Speaker 4: right side of the field and throws the ball across
Speaker 4: the field aka Dwight Clark Joe Montana for a touchdown
Speaker 4: the same play, almost almost the same play, well when
Speaker 4: nobody there to jump up a knock the receiver.
Speaker 2: Down or whatever when he fumbled that snap. It seems
Speaker 2: like the more chaotic things are at the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 2: the better Lamar Jackson is. Don't you agree?
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely, absolutely right. I remember Fran targets him. That
Speaker 4: guy would drive you crazy running around. Guys couldn't catch him.
Speaker 4: And this is the way Lamar Jackson is. It's hard
Speaker 4: to break the guy down because he's got as quick
Speaker 4: as a.
Speaker 2: Cat Well, and plus he's a lot larger than Fran
Speaker 2: Tarkington and a lot more a lot more physically athletic
Speaker 2: than Fran. Target Fran was a scrambler. He was the
Speaker 2: all time scrambler. But there's also the fact that Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 2: I'm sure no one has forgotten, this was the league's
Speaker 2: MVP last year, and he just demonstrated why again yesterday
Speaker 2: in those crucial game ending situations and all this kind.
Speaker 4: Of hard fact that you know, Joe Burrow fifty five
Speaker 4: million dollars, the games on the line are on the
Speaker 4: thirty eight yard line, and you don't accept one or
Speaker 4: two passes. I mean, they put it in the hands
Speaker 4: of a kicker. Oh man, you know, uh, you know.
Speaker 5: Don't don't.
Speaker 4: Don't people realize history sometimes, you know, this the this
Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bills put in the hands of Scott Norwood.
Speaker 4: It was really it was beyond his capabilities, and he
Speaker 4: kicked it right a wide right. I mean, come on, well, okay,
Speaker 4: don't put the game in the hands of the kicker
Speaker 4: unless you really have to, and they didn't have to
Speaker 4: in that situation. It was a it was very stupid.
Speaker 2: All it was stupid in all fairness. Evan McPherson has
Speaker 2: proven that he can hit that that length of a
Speaker 2: field goal. You said Scott Norwood didn't have the capability.
Speaker 2: Evan McPherson has proven he's got the capability. But the
Speaker 2: bad snap, I mean, and the and the mishold you
Speaker 2: know right there, you can you can point to any
Speaker 2: number of things towards them.
Speaker 4: They should have got the ball up closer and they didn't
Speaker 4: even attempt. And then Gary Jaffer, Jamar Chase and t
Speaker 4: Higgins both came out after the game and said, you
Speaker 4: know that we probably should have thrown the ball a
Speaker 4: couple of times. And when you got players questioning the
Speaker 4: head coach, there's a problem there. Now there's a problem.
Speaker 2: Well, uh, you know what now, now look ahead to
Speaker 2: uh next week.
Speaker 4: And don't say it, and don't say it. The New
Speaker 4: York Giants, Okay, that's what they are, the New York Giants.
Speaker 4: I don't know who started this New York football giants,
Speaker 4: but you can there's a whole generation. I have no
Speaker 4: idea that the New York Giants Originally, you know, there
Speaker 4: was a team in New York played baseball and they
Speaker 4: moved to San Francisco and then somebody decided to take
Speaker 4: it upon themselves to say the football and the team
Speaker 4: now it's the New York Football Giants. That's so damn dumb.
Speaker 4: That's so damn dumb. They're the New York Giants period.
Speaker 2: You you you get wanked out at the weirdest stuff.
Speaker 2: But I understand what you're saying, uh so, And the
Speaker 2: New York Giants that you're talking about, they beat a
Speaker 2: three and one Seattle team yesterday, So the path doesn't
Speaker 2: get any easier for the Bengals.
Speaker 4: No. I heard your boy Willie is saying. We had
Speaker 4: a lot of easy games coming up. There are no
Speaker 4: easy games for this football team because of the defense.
Speaker 4: And it looks like we just lost Das Hill of
Speaker 4: ACL so he's out.
Speaker 2: For the year.
Speaker 4: So just the hits just keep on coming on the
Speaker 4: defensive side. I mean, Joe Burrow, you look at his
Speaker 4: numbers right now, MVP numbers. Put the ball in the
Speaker 4: hands of the quarterback. Why did you draft the guy
Speaker 4: number one? You're paying him all that medians, he said
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, he would have just been chopping at the
Speaker 4: bit with a chance like that, get the the ball
Speaker 4: downfield to get a better shot. At the field. Well,
Speaker 4: I mean makes me so mad.
Speaker 2: Can the Bengals, uh make a trade for Andy Reid?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: But how about Bill Belichick?
Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, I know Bill's out there, He's on the beach.
Speaker 4: He's out there. But that's not happening. And the only way,
Speaker 4: the only way. And I look, I don't you know.
Speaker 4: I don't hate Zach Taylor. I mean, please, let's not
Speaker 4: go there. I don't like his play calling. He's done
Speaker 4: a great job creating a great culture in a locker
Speaker 4: room that was what really needed at the time. Again,
Speaker 4: he's really created a great culture, and he's been involved
Speaker 4: with some really good draft choices. But as a play
Speaker 4: caller and him go back to the Super Bowl when
Speaker 4: they went forward on fourth and one at midfield, which
Speaker 4: was dumb that early in the game you play field position.
Speaker 4: Of course, the play failed and the Rams went down
Speaker 4: score a touchdown, and of course the Bengals lost. But
Speaker 4: I think it was six points or seven points. But
Speaker 4: that nut's neither here or there. But his play calling,
Speaker 4: it's just getting bad. It's just bad. It's not he's
Speaker 4: not the guy to call the plays. He's not. He
Speaker 4: should give it up. I mean, he kind of hinted
Speaker 4: when they hired, when he hired the the offensive coordinator
Speaker 4: or prom voted him, that he was going to let
Speaker 4: him call some plays. He's not Zach's calling all the plays.
Speaker 4: So what's the point of having on offensive coordinator. You
Speaker 4: see Mike Commlin, You see Mike Common calling any plays
Speaker 4: on the sideline?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of head coaches that's their quarterbacks,
Speaker 4: you know, called the plays, or the offensive coordinator call
Speaker 4: the play. So the way I look at it, Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 4: you're paying Joe Burrow fifty five million dollars. I think
Speaker 4: he's capable of making the right calls at the offensive line.
Speaker 4: I do he should call the play.
Speaker 2: We just talked. We talked about this last week. Why
Speaker 2: not let your quarterback call the plays. No, he knows,
Speaker 2: he knows the talent, he knows the offense. I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, and.
Speaker 4: Until Joe Burrow goes and I don't know, Joe's not
Speaker 4: you know, you can kind of tell you it's not
Speaker 4: that kind of guy. What maybe he is behind the scenes,
Speaker 4: But until Joe goes to Mikey Brown or Katie Brown
Speaker 4: and says, look, this ain't working man, This ain't working.
Speaker 4: We've got to make a change here. It's not going
Speaker 4: to happen because Mike Brown, you know him, and his
Speaker 4: little royalty. You keep coaches on forever, no matter how
Speaker 4: many games they lose. Wild Man, I'm not cavricating. He
Speaker 4: should be fired, but there's gotta be there. There's gotta
Speaker 4: be a change here. Got happen.
Speaker 2: We gotta roll on, wild Man, Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: my brother.
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: Who who day? Everybody so far except for Carolina. We
Speaker 2: end with the national anthem to honor America. This is
Speaker 2: the nightcap.