Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
Speaker 1: ignition with the aaw Fat podcast team. And boy, we
Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about, so let's get right
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: This is Kelson and this is Alex and Okay, we've
Speaker 2: had about ten times on this podcast. Maybe where we've
Speaker 2: been we've opened up with AWWBDTV deal news, I think,
Speaker 2: but this one seems like the most I don't know
Speaker 2: what the word is, but close to actually happening. It
Speaker 2: seems like multiple sources are saying this is pretty much
Speaker 2: a done deal. Maybe the details need to be worked
Speaker 2: out still, and maybe in the next week or two
Speaker 2: we'll actually hear in real announcement. But yeah, if we
Speaker 2: can go through what has been reported, it's a four
Speaker 2: year deal with three years guarant ted and then a
Speaker 2: fourth year option. I don't know if anyone can confirm
Speaker 2: whose option it is, the aw's or is it WBDS.
Speaker 2: They spress up by it, so it's WBD gets to
Speaker 2: choose to pick up the fourth year.
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that what it says?
Speaker 1: I not yet, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just says the three years and hey, everybody,
Speaker 3: this is WELF three years guaranteed plus option, So it
Speaker 3: doesn't really.
Speaker 2: Specify because yeah, like in the NBA, it's player option
Speaker 2: or team option. It's a big, big difference, you know,
Speaker 2: depending on who has the leverage in that fourth year,
Speaker 2: hopefully it's Aw's option. And then and then they've announced
Speaker 2: it to be on tn T, TBS and True TV,
Speaker 2: which I've never heard of, but I'm Canadian.
Speaker 4: So I've heard of it. I haven't watched it.
Speaker 5: Give me is the channel that Impractical Jokers, my favorite
Speaker 5: show on TV used to be at. By the way,
Speaker 5: this is Roland Hi.
Speaker 6: Hi Practical Jokers from.
Speaker 3: Yes, so True TV is pivoting to more of a
Speaker 3: sports oriented broadcast. You know, that's been kind of what
Speaker 3: they're they're aiming for, so this makes sense.
Speaker 5: And just for a Jokers moved over to from True
Speaker 5: True TV to TBS Practical Jokers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so True TV for anyway, I don't know if
Speaker 3: anybody watches e W programming via app. Just to give
Speaker 3: you a peace of mind, there is a True TV
Speaker 3: app just like the TVs app, just like the t
Speaker 3: n T app where you can stream the broadcast.
Speaker 2: M HM. So you have to download three separate apps, yes, sir,
Speaker 2: okay for TV.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 2: You don't want it on Fight TV on TV, yeah.
Speaker 4: I do, because that's where I watch all my stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna get three separate apps for three separate shows.
Speaker 4: I don't have cable either, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that makes sense. You don't have cable, then yeah,
Speaker 3: don't download the apps. But the apps don't cost money.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that they're gonna come up with
Speaker 1: some kind of plan to get these shows accessible to Americans, Canadians,
Speaker 1: whatever you know, Europeans, South Americans.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Yeah, it'll be interesting because yeah, like in
Speaker 2: Canada we have TSN, they have all the shows. You
Speaker 2: need the app to even watch them because Collision and
Speaker 2: Rampage aren't even on television for the most part, unless
Speaker 2: it's like in Canada. So yeah, I wonder if you know,
Speaker 2: are these things going to move move to Max in
Speaker 2: some form in international markets? That'll be interesting but also interesting.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. That wasn't me speaking, Oh never mind, go
Speaker 1: whoever was speaking?
Speaker 2: I think it was Rollins me.
Speaker 1: No, whoever was speaking.
Speaker 2: All right, I will continue. I was gonna say it's
Speaker 2: interesting that they there's some weird wording on this. It
Speaker 2: says tn T TBS and True TV twice per week.
Speaker 2: So if you read into that, could it mean that
Speaker 2: they're alternating from you know, TBS and True TV. You know,
Speaker 2: are we gonna have Collision on one channel one week
Speaker 2: and then another channel the next week.
Speaker 4: That wouldn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. This is what I think. When
Speaker 1: you're looking at Collision. Let's let's just say that it
Speaker 1: stays on Saturday nights for now, okay, So when you
Speaker 1: look at Collision, you have One of the problems that
Speaker 1: we've run into with Collision is that when you have
Speaker 1: el e s from WWE or football games NBA games
Speaker 1: that are on the same time. And of course now
Speaker 1: the NBA game isn't going to be on on WBD anymore.
Speaker 1: But when you have something that takes up that time,
Speaker 1: they either preempt it, or they put it on earlier,
Speaker 1: or they use it, you know, they tape it on Wednesdays.
Speaker 1: Now with your TV, they can still do their live shows.
Speaker 1: So I think with True TV is going to be
Speaker 1: the show that steps in in case there's a something
Speaker 1: that preempts it. That's that's my whole thing what I
Speaker 1: think of with True TV. The other thing that they
Speaker 1: may do with True TV is they may show replays.
Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, I could see that, but I see
Speaker 4: shock Wave going on there.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, so go ahead, go ahead, wolf real quick.
Speaker 3: Major part of this deal that is huge is it's
Speaker 3: being reported that WBD is dropping.
Speaker 6: The exclusivity clause, so that means.
Speaker 3: That aw can shop around to other networks, and there
Speaker 3: is I don't know if I suppose what you're leading to, Kelson,
Speaker 3: but Shockwave possibly going on f S one or Fox.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was saying, yeah, what do you have two
Speaker 1: nights a week on WBD, meaning TBST and T and
Speaker 1: TRU TV. I think what you're going to see is
Speaker 1: Collision probably staying on Saturday nights, although I think it
Speaker 1: would probably be better if they moved to Thursday night
Speaker 1: or something to that effect. But I think what you're
Speaker 1: going to see is Rampage being combined with either Collision,
Speaker 1: but most likely Dynamite on Wednesday night. So Dynamite is
Speaker 1: going to be a three hour show from now on.
Speaker 1: I really do feel that way, And that's where the
Speaker 1: two shows are coming in. And then, as Wolfe said,
Speaker 1: Shockwave is being shopped around and rumors and it's only
Speaker 1: rumors are saying that it's going to be on the
Speaker 1: Fox affiliate, which could be Fox FS one, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: so Fox Sports, Fox Sports. We just don't know what
Speaker 1: Shockwave is yet. I mean, is it a one hour show?
Speaker 1: Is it a two hour show?
Speaker 6: We've it's going to shock the wrestling world, Kelson, you.
Speaker 1: Think so, well, Well, the thing is is that I've
Speaker 1: seen people turn it around and say that Shockwaves should
Speaker 1: be a women's only show, which I think is as
Speaker 1: much as I love women's wrestling, having a show dedicated
Speaker 1: to women, or even a show dedicated to men only,
Speaker 1: is a monumental mistake because somebody decides not to watch,
Speaker 1: Say somebody doesn't watch Shockwave. If it's a women's show
Speaker 1: and women are no longer on Dynamite or Collision at
Speaker 1: all because they're on Shockwave, then nobody is going to
Speaker 1: know who WAW women are at all. So you've got
Speaker 1: to keep it the way it's set.
Speaker 4: Up, like, yeah, yeah, I think it needs to be
Speaker 4: fast action, leacher, libra, you know, fun names that are
Speaker 4: going to pop up that you won't normally see on AW.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Kelton, Well, let me throw out a question
Speaker 1: and wof I'll let you be the first answer it
Speaker 1: then you can say what you were going to say.
Speaker 1: My question is is that do you think maybe a
Speaker 1: Ring of Honors show?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I think Ring of Honor is going to be kept separate,
Speaker 3: if not disbanded altogether. I think Shockwave is a good
Speaker 3: opportunity for AW to market to a different demo. It's
Speaker 3: got a fun name, and as MK just alluded to,
Speaker 3: you can feature a lot of your lucha's, you can
Speaker 3: feature a lot of your your kid friendly characters to
Speaker 3: really kind of tap into a new market, especially if
Speaker 3: you're going to enter.
Speaker 6: A new a new network right with the show.
Speaker 3: So I feel as though this is an opportunity to
Speaker 3: really they could really take advantage of that, and they
Speaker 3: can do a whole campaign, like a whole advertising campaign
Speaker 3: on this separate network, this new network that they're on.
Speaker 3: What AW is about, communicate the mission statement, really drive
Speaker 3: it home. Tell each characters, tell each tell the tell
Speaker 3: the stories of each character, introduce them formally in different campaigns.
Speaker 3: I think it's a that's my thought process like what
Speaker 3: Shockwave could be.
Speaker 5: So for me, it kind of depends, Like Kels, I
Speaker 5: think it was you Kelson I was talking about like
Speaker 5: combining Rampage with Dynamite. I think that's I think that's
Speaker 5: the only way this would work, because if you keep
Speaker 5: Rampage and Collision and Dynamite and you bring in Shockwave,
Speaker 5: I think that's just too much. Like we can already tell,
Speaker 5: Tony Kahan is having a bit of a hard time,
Speaker 5: you know, with the creative side when it comes to
Speaker 5: all three shows. It's like, to me, Rampage falls behind
Speaker 5: quite a bit from my perspective. So if any if
Speaker 5: for me, the only way it's gonna work is you
Speaker 5: can keep Dynamite in Collision, maybe absorb Rampage into Dynamite
Speaker 5: like you were suggesting Kelson, and then you can ringing Shockwave.
Speaker 5: But as of right now, if you keep all four,
Speaker 5: that's just too much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yea Rampage needs Rampage needs to be absorbed into
Speaker 4: Shockwave and and then you know, if you want to
Speaker 4: sprinkle in a little bit of our wage people you know,
Speaker 4: have Athenia on there or whoever you say your name.
Speaker 4: I think she would be a spectacle for people to see,
Speaker 4: and she's fun to watch. But as I've spoken about,
Speaker 4: I think it needs to be a Saturday morning show
Speaker 4: just you know, kids are getting out of bed and
Speaker 4: ready to watch TV and it's something fun. I remember
Speaker 4: growing up watching rock and wrestling and stuff like that
Speaker 4: and having fun with it. Uh. And that was my
Speaker 4: introduction to Andre the Giant, Roddy Piper, all those people
Speaker 4: maybe going that route.
Speaker 1: I want to ask that a question. If Nut is
Speaker 1: here here, okay? Uh So with Shockwave being a third
Speaker 1: a W show, I mean, let's look at it realistically. Here.
Speaker 1: Could a W be following the pattern that WWE is
Speaker 1: on where using the patterned collision would be one show?
Speaker 1: Obviously Dynamite would be the other show Rampage as K
Speaker 1: had suggested, maybe going into the Shockwave thing. Would could
Speaker 1: you see Shockwave being a n XT type developmental brand net?
Speaker 7: I hadn't thought about it that way, I was. I
Speaker 7: was thinking of it more of the kid friendly version
Speaker 7: of a W that the lighter, fun, yeah, Saturday morning,
Speaker 7: let's all watch wrestling kind of version. I didn't. It
Speaker 7: didn't even cross my mind that it might be the
Speaker 7: developmental end of things.
Speaker 1: Well, you're kind of an agreement with MK.
Speaker 7: Okay, Yeah, I agree with MK there that it seems
Speaker 7: like it's more it could be more of the introducing
Speaker 7: kids into wrestling, and especially since there were so many
Speaker 7: complaints about the pay per view, it seems like they
Speaker 7: need a softer version of things. So some things are
Speaker 7: not for everyone, and that could be the show that's
Speaker 7: not for everybody.
Speaker 4: I've just noticed Kelson that when I mentioned AUW, it's
Speaker 4: not really kids talking to me about I'm on the
Speaker 4: bus with kids. I work with kids, and I never
Speaker 4: heard kids really talk about AAW that much of them,
Speaker 4: So maybe it is a different gemographic they can tap into.
Speaker 1: Well, don't forget, the big demographic is eighteen to forty nine,
Speaker 1: So that's what they're going to try to tap into.
Speaker 1: With the eighteen to forty nine people watch a Saturday
Speaker 1: morning show. I doubt it, to be honest with you, I.
Speaker 8: Think they will have kids.
Speaker 6: Another thing too, pivoting real quick.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm trying to get all my shit in.
Speaker 3: AW recently held a match right before NFL football game
Speaker 3: and it really catered to the younger audience and it
Speaker 3: seemed to be a success.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: That was on Sunday before the Jaguars home opener against
Speaker 5: the Cleveland Browns. It was Hologram and Sammy Gavara against
Speaker 5: the Beast Martos and Matt Tavan. That's partially because Tony
Speaker 5: Kahan like owns the Jaguars, and it's all they did
Speaker 5: that specific match because it was like Danish Heritage Day
Speaker 5: or something at the Jaggars game. I'm not sure the
Speaker 5: details of that, But in terms of the whole Saturday
Speaker 5: morning thing, I feel like, you know, I feel like
Speaker 5: that's the wrong time to do it because you got
Speaker 5: like ESPN College Game Day going on on Saturday mornings,
Speaker 5: You've got five Big Noon Saturday that's coming on, then
Speaker 5: you've got college football all day. I just don't think
Speaker 5: Saturday night is the right time.
Speaker 4: To do thatturday morning.
Speaker 5: No that I know. I'm saying like, even on Saturday mornings,
Speaker 5: you've got like ESPN College Game Day that starts at
Speaker 5: nine in the morning. You've got Fox Big Noon Kickoff
Speaker 5: that comes on around like eleven in the morning.
Speaker 2: So yeah, if they're putting it on that and they're
Speaker 2: doing it to appeal to kids who don't I don't
Speaker 2: know American kids. Maybe they love football as much as
Speaker 2: American adults.
Speaker 5: But now you know, well, I'm not understand that. I
Speaker 5: do understand what you guys are saying. I'm just giving
Speaker 5: a little bit much back of like, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 5: all basically.
Speaker 1: What Rollins to what Rollins is saying what he was
Speaker 1: talking about with the Saturday Morning and catering to kids. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look the clips of the match
Speaker 1: at the Jaguars game, Uh, they really did cater to
Speaker 1: take cater to the kids, which was pretty interesting to see.
Speaker 3: Would have been nice if they were able to distribute it,
Speaker 3: like you know, tape it and air it.
Speaker 5: Even just like posted on their YouTube channel.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think they can do that though, yeah, because
Speaker 3: the WBB has that clause. But you know, maybe they will.
Speaker 3: I mean, it happened this past Sunday. Maybe they'll show
Speaker 3: this Wednesday.
Speaker 1: I'll don't forgid. You also have NFL licensing too.
Speaker 5: So that's true. But like they were able during the
Speaker 5: NFL Draft, they were able to show like Tony Kahan
Speaker 5: wearing the neck brace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it didn't have any AW logos on it.
Speaker 1: That's that's the point I mean, And it was a
Speaker 1: good talking point. And I'm sure, I am sure that
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan still had to go through a lot of
Speaker 1: hoops to get permission well before that happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and talking about the exclusivity deal with WBD maybe
Speaker 2: not being a thing anymore. With this new contract, hopefully
Speaker 2: that means either AW Dark, maybe AW Shockwave or Ring
Speaker 2: of Honor can escape and be a YouTube show that
Speaker 2: actually brings in new people.
Speaker 5: So let me yeah, So let me ask you guys this,
Speaker 5: because before WWE landed this new deal with Netflix, I
Speaker 5: thought they were gonna move Monday Night Raw at ESPN
Speaker 5: because of the partnership they have with the UFC, and
Speaker 5: the UFC does all their pay per views and stuff
Speaker 5: on ESPN, ABC and whatnot. Do you think that with
Speaker 5: this new like non exclusivity deal with WBD, as we've
Speaker 5: been talking about, do you think there's a chance AW
Speaker 5: programming shows up on ESPN.
Speaker 1: There's always a chance, But you know, I can't really
Speaker 1: say definitively yes or no, but I guess there's always
Speaker 1: a chance. Look, as I said earlier, I think the
Speaker 1: most important thing that AW can do right now is
Speaker 1: to make sure that all of their shows that they
Speaker 1: do air our live or at least as many as possible,
Speaker 1: because I think one of the biggest things that happens
Speaker 1: Rampage gets bad ratings because it's taped generally speaking, taped
Speaker 1: on Wednesdays and all the people do you read on
Speaker 1: Wednesday already know the results and people can just go
Speaker 1: online and look at spoilers and get the results. They
Speaker 1: need to make these shows live again. They have a
Speaker 1: lot of times where Collision has been taped, pre taped
Speaker 1: several days in advance, and people, look, you're not going
Speaker 1: to get people to watch. You're not going to watch
Speaker 1: a sporting event or a wrestling event where you already
Speaker 1: know who won. It's not going to happen. So that's
Speaker 1: going to help the ratings by doing live shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 9: So I got a couple of things to add here
Speaker 9: since I haven't added anything yet. But okay, So, first
Speaker 9: of all, Rampage was never designed to be anything more
Speaker 9: than the dark or show for them on on WBD.
Speaker 8: That was what they did Rampage four.
Speaker 9: They don't really care that much about Rampage because they
Speaker 9: hardly ever have any major matches on there. I think
Speaker 9: Shockwave is going to be the FS one show when
Speaker 9: they finally go to FS one. I don't think they're
Speaker 9: I don't think AW wants to try to cater to kids,
Speaker 9: because look at the last pay per view none of
Speaker 9: that would have come even close to being called catering
Speaker 9: to kids, And if you try to cater to kids,
Speaker 9: you're going to change your show way too much.
Speaker 8: No, they don't have the violence.
Speaker 9: So they do have some violence on collision in Dynamite,
Speaker 9: but I don't see them doing that because that would
Speaker 9: be so out of character and would change the product
Speaker 9: too much.
Speaker 1: I absolutely one hundred agree with you. Subtly, I agree
Speaker 1: because if you cater to kids and have actually ask
Speaker 1: kids to actively participate the fandom of a w ON
Speaker 1: using a show catering to kids to do so, then
Speaker 1: you are going to have to change the pay per
Speaker 1: views because those kids are going to see the paper,
Speaker 1: see those shows, expect to go and watch an aw
Speaker 1: pay per view, and then violence happens, real bloody violence,
Speaker 1: and that's it. The kids are going to be scarred.
Speaker 1: At one plus, the other thing I will say is that,
Speaker 1: and I've already said this too, but at bears repeating
Speaker 1: the demographic that AW in all wrestling shows and all
Speaker 1: TV shows go forty eighteen to forty nine demographic. Kids
Speaker 1: are not in the demographic that they're shooting for, so
Speaker 1: they eventually will grow up and be part of that demographic.
Speaker 1: But by the time that they grow up and are
Speaker 1: part of that demographic, they're going to be sleeping in
Speaker 1: and sleeping off Friday night dates and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know, they're drinking and the partying and whatnot. They're
Speaker 1: not going to wake up at eleven ten eleven in
Speaker 1: the morning and watch a two hour wrestling show.
Speaker 4: I disagree, not gonna happen.
Speaker 9: It's been tried another It's been tried in a WWE
Speaker 9: a long time ago. They did Saturday morning shows and
Speaker 9: they didn't work at all.
Speaker 8: For anything. They're just not gonna.
Speaker 9: Get them because kids don't wake up on Saturday morning
Speaker 9: wanting to watch wrestling. They wake up wanting to watch
Speaker 9: cartoons or something like that. They don't want to wake
Speaker 9: up and what's wrestling, And that would that would put
Speaker 9: such a burden on the scheduling that AW has because
Speaker 9: you know, Kelsen mentioned making sure more live shows than tape,
Speaker 9: which is a great idea, and I think that's something
Speaker 9: they definitely need to do. But you'd almost have to
Speaker 9: tape that show because you're gonna have It's just gonna
Speaker 9: be logistics of trying to get people in the position
Speaker 9: to do that show.
Speaker 8: It's just not gonna work out.
Speaker 9: And a lot of the places they would do, the venues,
Speaker 9: they're not gonna have that available time.
Speaker 8: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Let me add one other thing here. Wrestling has been
Speaker 1: around for how many years, Sudden, do you know, because
Speaker 1: it's been around this right, have we ever had a successful,
Speaker 1: any way successful morning show for wrestling.
Speaker 2: Nope, No, WWA, maybe not morning but like the twelve
Speaker 2: o'clock Superstars back in the early nineties, that's was my
Speaker 2: first introduction to wrestling.
Speaker 1: In the eighties, they WWE did buy time from Ted
Speaker 1: Turner to run a show at like the two o'clock
Speaker 1: hour on Saturdays on the superstation BBS at that lasted
Speaker 1: I believe two months before it got canceled because nobody
Speaker 1: watched a different market.
Speaker 6: You're in a different market.
Speaker 3: I think it was a huge I'm in the Northeast here,
Speaker 3: so WWF in the eighties, Saturday morning was king.
Speaker 1: It just was so.
Speaker 3: But in this day and age, Sudden, you make a
Speaker 3: great point, I don't know if it can sistained, Like
Speaker 3: you had said, WWE did try it recently in like
Speaker 3: the past ten years.
Speaker 4: Right, So thank you guys.
Speaker 6: Give kids enough credit.
Speaker 4: You act like they're fragile little things, and yet they're
Speaker 4: watching w WWE and I've went to live events and
Speaker 4: they're a main core the people cheering, and they they
Speaker 4: still have some some things that are violent. So I
Speaker 4: think it's a mistake to look at the youth and
Speaker 4: say we don't want you until you turn eighteen to
Speaker 4: target you. You got to at least try to get
Speaker 4: something going because these kids are going to aw events
Speaker 4: as well, but not as much as WWE. But but
Speaker 4: they're watching with their mom and dads when TV's on.
Speaker 4: Uh you know, Nett talks about watching with her daughter,
Speaker 4: and other people watch with their kids, So why not
Speaker 4: something once in a while that that caters to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with them, k because I like my
Speaker 2: first The first thing that really got me in wrestling
Speaker 2: was my grandpa showed me when I was probably eleven
Speaker 2: or twelve years old, the Undertaker versus mankind Hell in
Speaker 2: a cell match, and I thought wrestling was kind of
Speaker 2: lame before then, and then I saw these guys like
Speaker 2: killing each other and I was like, oh, this is great.
Speaker 2: And I know MJF had said that that was the
Speaker 2: first match he had seen that got him into wrestling,
Speaker 2: Like I think in a way, you know, edgy violence
Speaker 2: can bring kids in because it's more cool than you know,
Speaker 2: something that's more tame. It's more interesting, all right.
Speaker 1: So one other thing that I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: was the deal is three years guaranteed for one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy million dollars a year. Rumored. That is probably
Speaker 1: more than what they were expecting from the TV deal.
Speaker 1: But I also have to keep it by that that
Speaker 1: does not include Shockwave, and that does not include any
Speaker 1: kind of EVP or pl E streaming deal. They will
Speaker 1: get money for that as well, So this could be
Speaker 1: a very lucrative deal for a w I mean, just
Speaker 1: the one hundred and seventy million a year is going
Speaker 1: to make them profitable according to what I've read. Now,
Speaker 1: if you get a streaming deal on say Max, that
Speaker 1: is massive, and I think it's going to make a
Speaker 1: lot of people happy, especially since Max is free if you,
Speaker 1: for instance, if you belong to one or if you
Speaker 1: cellular providers give you Max for free when you're a customer.
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that if you buy a
Speaker 1: door Dash and you will plan right now, you get
Speaker 1: Max for free for a year. You know, so there
Speaker 1: are different things there that that can make an interesting
Speaker 1: and I'm interested to hear if people agree that. I mean,
Speaker 1: with all these pay per views that have that have
Speaker 1: popped up fifty dollars every month, practically is a little
Speaker 1: state for a lot of people. Uh, would you do
Speaker 1: you think that going to max is the right thing
Speaker 1: for AW to do with their pvps make of the pls?
Speaker 3: I think that As a fan, of course, right the
Speaker 3: fan wins. But as a business I'm actually surprised that
Speaker 3: pay per view isn't included in this one hundred, one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy million deal because right now, as far
Speaker 3: as we know, AW is receiving seventy million each calendar
Speaker 3: year from WBD to produce television. Okay, roughly they're they're
Speaker 3: revenue for pay per view you have to account for
Speaker 3: international buys are roughly one hundred and forty thousand per
Speaker 3: month per pay per view on average, some fluctuate some
Speaker 3: or last summer.
Speaker 6: More depending on who's retiring that month.
Speaker 3: So they're if you crunch the numbers, it comes out
Speaker 3: to about fifty million per pay per view or excuse me,
Speaker 3: per year rather for the pay per view, so that
Speaker 3: leaves you within one hundred and seventy forty million to
Speaker 3: account for travel inflation, you know, inflation with costs travel lodge.
Speaker 3: I think they do still pay for lodge production. You
Speaker 3: know these things every year spike and price. It's just
Speaker 3: I can't fathom this one hundred and seventy million deal,
Speaker 3: not including pay per view distribution.
Speaker 6: But that is the rumor, and that is incredible.
Speaker 5: So I'll talk about more from my perspective, just as
Speaker 5: the fan, because I'm not as familiar as some of
Speaker 5: you are with the business side of it. So I
Speaker 5: bought the all Aim pay per view for fifty dollars
Speaker 5: and watch it live with a group of bites, and
Speaker 5: knowing that all Out was only a couple of weeks later,
Speaker 5: I decided I didn't want to spend the fifty dollars
Speaker 5: and watch all Out. Now I've heard since then that
Speaker 5: I should go and watch it. One of those people
Speaker 5: who has told me that is you Wolf. Haven't figured
Speaker 5: out I bake fan.
Speaker 4: Have I did the same thing. It's just like two advance,
Speaker 4: oh oh wait.
Speaker 5: But it's just so annoying because it's like I would
Speaker 5: have loved to have watched All Out, but I'm not
Speaker 5: paying fifty dollars within just a couple of weeks of
Speaker 5: each other for pay per views. And I get there
Speaker 5: are others streaming services out there, but me personally, I
Speaker 5: just am very skeptical when it comes to these like
Speaker 5: websites and stuff.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: But like if it were to go to Max, okay,
Speaker 5: that's different, because then I could go back and watch
Speaker 5: All Out from twenty twenty one for example, if I
Speaker 5: wanted to, or I could go back and watch Revolution
Speaker 5: from twenty twenty two because personally that was one of
Speaker 5: my favorite pay reviews of all time. So like, I
Speaker 5: think WWE in that sense has the right idea by
Speaker 5: putting their stuff on Peacock, because then that allows fans
Speaker 5: if they want to go back and watch you know,
Speaker 5: Russell Mayant thirty five or Royal Rumble twenty twenty one,
Speaker 5: if they want stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Well, Rolands, I mentioned this on our podcast last night,
Speaker 1: and that is that Max in free and it's an
Speaker 1: only France right now that they do this, but it
Speaker 1: has the entire aw catalog on Max in France right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: that thank you. It's on match right now, including All
Speaker 1: In I don't know fall Outs on there yet. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's going to be a delay. But the fact
Speaker 1: is is that that's another great way of getting people
Speaker 1: to watch AW because they can easily access the library
Speaker 1: and find out the history of AW.
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, because like my first ever pay per view
Speaker 5: was All Out twenty twenty one, and I'd love to
Speaker 5: go be able to go back and watch that pay
Speaker 5: per view because, like you know, that steal Caage tag
Speaker 5: team match was unbelievable. Although personally my favorite match from
Speaker 5: that from that paper was m JF versus Chris Jericho
Speaker 5: with the dusty finish. I thought that was just not fantastic.
Speaker 5: So just throw that what Rollins?
Speaker 3: You watch pay per view, you pay for pay per
Speaker 3: view on television, you know you can go to Triller
Speaker 3: and you can actually buy the pay per view and
Speaker 3: have unlimited watches.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 5: See that's another one where I get skeptical because I've
Speaker 5: never used trailer.
Speaker 4: Triller is great, Fight TV is great.
Speaker 5: I use it.
Speaker 4: Uh Like like Rowlins was saying, I didn't I didn't
Speaker 4: buy all it.
Speaker 1: All out.
Speaker 4: I just wasn't gonna I get burned out. I got
Speaker 4: burned down on pay per views. Uh, but if we do,
Speaker 4: But if AW does Max, I think they need to
Speaker 4: need to cut the need to make r o H
Speaker 4: on there and people can have more access to it.
Speaker 4: Because you're asking people to make people pay to watch ROH.
Speaker 4: I don't think works as well when they could just
Speaker 4: hook up on there and wash it instead. Hm.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ano another thing to add, I think Wolf touched
Speaker 2: on it. But yeah, like if if this deal includes
Speaker 2: pay per views streaming on Max and it's one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy million dollars, it's really not as good of
Speaker 2: a deal for AW and makes this not as much
Speaker 2: of a victory lap. And also I wonder if it
Speaker 2: did come to Max, it may not be included in
Speaker 2: a Max subscription. There still might be another fee on
Speaker 2: top of things, because I my understanding is UFC they
Speaker 2: have like their shows on ESPN or something, but they
Speaker 2: do charge extra money.
Speaker 10: That is perviews, right, That is correct out for UFC
Speaker 10: pay per view, you have to have an ESPN Plus subscription.
Speaker 5: Plus you have to pay eighty dollars to watch the
Speaker 5: pay per view live. Now. The good thing with the
Speaker 5: good thing with ESPN Plus is the pay per view
Speaker 5: will be available a few weeks later. For you to
Speaker 5: go back and watch, which is what I usually do.
Speaker 5: And I think that's one of the other problems with
Speaker 5: Collision being on Saturday nights. I know that UFC pay
Speaker 5: per views generally the main card starts around ten, but
Speaker 5: you have like the UFC prelims for pay per views,
Speaker 5: those start at around eight, So Collision is usually, I
Speaker 5: would say, directly in competition with the UFC.
Speaker 1: Well, they did say that the announcement of the WBDAW
Speaker 1: deal could be coming as early as next week, so
Speaker 1: at least we may get that part out of the
Speaker 1: way and we'll know something about that next week. But again,
Speaker 1: we probably won't know anything about Shockwave if it's not
Speaker 1: going to be a WBD you know, no, And we're
Speaker 1: not going to know anything about the pay per views
Speaker 1: being on Max if that's going to be a separate deal.
Speaker 1: So I think we still have a long way to
Speaker 1: go as far as wrapping this all the way up.
Speaker 1: But I think that the WBD an AWTV deal is
Speaker 1: a done deal. So does anybody have anything else did
Speaker 1: they want to add about the AWWBD TV deal rumor
Speaker 1: before we move on? All? Right, So I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about the aw women's division, and it seems like
Speaker 1: they're going international. Give you some examples. Tony Storm is
Speaker 1: going to be facing Mayuatani for the IWGP Women's Championship
Speaker 1: that's coming up, I believe on October fifth. Don't hold
Speaker 1: me to that. Uh Sekla from Stardom posted a picture
Speaker 1: of herself holding a championship belt and a theater responded
Speaker 1: to that kind of interesting that she did that. Luca
Speaker 1: blog is reporting that three to five aw women might
Speaker 1: participate in the CMML Women's Grand Prix Tournament, which is
Speaker 1: like the G One in New Japan or the Continental
Speaker 1: Classic in aw or the Five Star in Stardom. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we saw last week Mariah May calling out for Mina Shirakawa,
Speaker 1: and then you had just Anna Ja going over to Stardom,
Speaker 1: and now she did a vignette this past week where
Speaker 1: she was basically talking toward Mercedes and Mariah May saying
Speaker 1: watch out for me. And you also have to keep
Speaker 1: in mind that Anna Jay has made some friends over
Speaker 1: at Stardom. She's had a relationship with a ZM or
Speaker 1: a Zumi and then there's Kaguma and Hina that she
Speaker 1: became buddy buddy with during her stay in stardom, So
Speaker 1: I think you're going to see a lot more international
Speaker 1: play with a w especially since on January fifth you
Speaker 1: have a wrestled Dynasty at the Tokyo Dome and you're
Speaker 1: going to have MLL and stardom and a W and
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor there. That's a lot of women and
Speaker 1: that could be a very very interesting show. So what
Speaker 1: do you guys think? What do you think of the
Speaker 1: international way that it seems that the aw womener going
Speaker 1: to be used.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about Sorry, I'm really excited about maybe Ewatani.
Speaker 2: I don't think she hasn't been featured in any way
Speaker 2: in any of this stardom stuff, right, she wasn't part
Speaker 2: of the first Ring of Honor trios match.
Speaker 1: Kelson, No, she wasn't.
Speaker 2: M hm yeah, Like I've I've heard great things about her.
Speaker 2: I've saw her, I think fight Mina Shrikawa at a
Speaker 2: New Japan show a while back, maybe in the last year. Like,
Speaker 2: she's really talented. He's maybe one of the best women
Speaker 2: wrestlers in the world. So have they they said anything
Speaker 2: about where that match would be taking place? Is it
Speaker 2: in stardom?
Speaker 1: It is it is a startup match. Well, no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's a new Japan match. I believe I'm to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, because it's not the
Speaker 2: stardom title, it's the new Japan's women's title, the IWGP. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that makes it now.
Speaker 1: Now. One thing that I should add to this, well, hope.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, but Mayu with
Speaker 1: Tammy just this week, like a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: said that she wants to come and wrestle in a
Speaker 1: w and I think that plays into this whole international
Speaker 1: thing that's going on with the AAW women. For sure,
Speaker 1: it's going to be. It's everybody's been saying that AW
Speaker 1: women's division is the best that it's ever been, which
Speaker 1: I agree with. Is it the best of the world. No,
Speaker 1: if you ask people, I run the Greatness of Wrestling
Speaker 1: uh sub reddit and I asked there and I and
Speaker 1: I'll say this, anybody that thinks that WWE and AW
Speaker 1: have the best women's divisions and wrestling have never watched started.
Speaker 3: But one thing to point out, I think it's fair
Speaker 3: to say that women's wrestling in general is the best
Speaker 3: that it's ever been.
Speaker 6: And sure speaking about the totality of the industry.
Speaker 3: So combining shows and doing these cross promotional uh uh,
Speaker 3: you know, CARDS is very smart. I like to talk
Speaker 3: as you get to know me, I really like to
Speaker 3: talk about the business aspect of wrestling. It's just find
Speaker 3: most interesting. So with that being said, you know, AW
Speaker 3: is just getting more exposure.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 3: Ultimately with these with these international partnerships, they can't you know,
Speaker 3: they're not going to be able to go up against
Speaker 3: the ww and they're not trying to. They're just trying
Speaker 3: to build working relationships around the world and that you
Speaker 3: know that falls within the vision of WBD. On their
Speaker 3: last business call that they had, they're pivoting. They're they're
Speaker 3: supplementing their NBA contract with more international programming. So AW
Speaker 3: is the perfect fit for that because they partner with
Speaker 3: cmlo start on New Japan.
Speaker 1: Have you well, well, if you will appreciate this, CML
Speaker 1: just celebrated it's ninety first anniversary. They are the oldest
Speaker 1: modern wrestling alliance in the world today and when they
Speaker 1: started partnering with AW, and AWS sent several of the
Speaker 1: wrestlers to cmled or Wrestle and Arena Mexico and CMOS
Speaker 1: come out and outright said that they are drawing with
Speaker 1: AW there they are drawing so much better than they
Speaker 1: ever did, you know, because they've been struggling and now
Speaker 1: AW has helped them get back to back on their feet.
Speaker 6: And it's a point of contention for some people and Conan.
Speaker 3: You know, who were in the business of just being grumpy.
Speaker 3: You know, ultimately AW is doing great things around the
Speaker 3: whole world. That's what it's coming. I mean, they're building
Speaker 3: these relationships. They're they're not they're even like sanctioning relationships
Speaker 3: between New Japan and cmm C MLL.
Speaker 6: So it's you love to say it, you really do.
Speaker 1: The one thing I.
Speaker 8: Would like that I think is necessary.
Speaker 9: I think the one thing is going to be necessary
Speaker 9: is that with all these new partnerships and working with
Speaker 9: these companies, AW has to get over the fact that they.
Speaker 8: Don't have to win every match.
Speaker 9: Yes, and they do that, like we've seen that with
Speaker 9: every Forbidden Door it's mostly AW people to win. They
Speaker 9: send you know, they've sent people out to other matches
Speaker 9: in other places and they get the wins.
Speaker 8: Come to AW folk.
Speaker 9: Uh, they just had the title that was she had
Speaker 9: the CMLL title. The one who won that, I can't
Speaker 9: remember who won it.
Speaker 1: Well, Nightingale had the title to zeus Okay, I couldn't remember.
Speaker 8: I couldn't remember who was.
Speaker 9: But you know, that was one of the first times
Speaker 9: that they've done that, and it's something.
Speaker 8: That's important because you know.
Speaker 9: It's they they need to foster these relationships, but they
Speaker 9: also have to say, hey, we're not just here for us.
Speaker 9: We want to make it better for everybody. So we're
Speaker 9: gonna have people win. We're gonna have you guys, like
Speaker 9: when they go to Tokyo Dome. That's gonna be a
Speaker 9: big deal because they always went at home. But are
Speaker 9: they gonna let are they gonna have good matches there?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: That mean that's definitely that's definitely a good point. And
Speaker 5: while I appreciate everything you guys are saying about the
Speaker 5: international side of it, and I do want them to
Speaker 5: keep developing those relationships, don't get me wrong, But by
Speaker 5: the same token, I kind of want AEW to focus
Speaker 5: internally on their own women's division because you have plenty
Speaker 5: of talented females throughout the roster. We've seen it like
Speaker 5: Will Nightingale and Chris Statlander, for example, just put on
Speaker 5: a hell of them Chicago Street Fight at all out.
Speaker 5: You brought in Mercedes Monette, who for me personally hadn't
Speaker 5: quite hit the mark like I thought she would. You
Speaker 5: got Britt Baker, although I don't know what's happened to
Speaker 5: her since all and she hasn't been around.
Speaker 1: Baker. Something's now on high alert.
Speaker 5: But I'm but I'm just coming up. Those are just
Speaker 5: a few of the names. But you mentioned like Anna
Speaker 5: j and Hikarushi, that Tony Storm, Mariah May. Again, these
Speaker 5: are just a few of the names. But like if
Speaker 5: we can get more women's programming, I'm not saying just
Speaker 5: to go back to the first discussion, I'm not saying
Speaker 5: that like Shockwave or Collision Rampage whatever needs to be
Speaker 5: a women's only show, but it's like we need I
Speaker 5: feel like you need to develop your own women's division
Speaker 5: a little more. If that all makes.
Speaker 3: Sense, I would agree with you maybe last year. I
Speaker 3: think they've made strides since just this year. I mean,
Speaker 3: you'll get that up and down the roster of the
Speaker 3: women's division. Each one of them have their own respective
Speaker 3: thing going on, and it's it's beautiful to see.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing Rowlins, and I will say to what
Speaker 1: your point was is that the way that you build
Speaker 1: aw's women's division is by having better women's wrestlers, and
Speaker 1: when you bring in wrestlers from particularly stardom, it's better
Speaker 1: for AW. It really is. I will stand by that.
Speaker 1: You know. I can't stress stress that, you know. So
Speaker 1: you see how popular Mina Shirakawa is an AAW. She's
Speaker 1: from Stardom and she's basically a mid carter at Stardom,
Speaker 1: but she's, you know, world champion contender in AW. That's
Speaker 1: how good stardom is. And if you get Startom over
Speaker 1: here work with AW, it makes aw's women better and
Speaker 1: that's building the women's division, right.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying like AW needs to cut off all
Speaker 5: their relationships with Stardom and any of these other companies.
Speaker 5: That's not at all what I'm saying. It just feels
Speaker 5: like you got and I get what you're saying Wolf
Speaker 5: that like you've got more of the women's developed division developed,
Speaker 5: But by the same token, it feels like they're just
Speaker 5: using the same wrestlers over and over and over again.
Speaker 3: You know what I would like to see more is
Speaker 3: the blending of the men and the women in angles.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, having them rub elbows and sharing
Speaker 3: screen time wuld would help with that significantly.
Speaker 5: You mean, like how Moxley and.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly Mari shaf Here. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I remember Double Leaning into Double or Nothing.
Speaker 5: I think it might have been last year. Correct me
Speaker 5: if I'm wrong, but like Britt Baker was somewhat of
Speaker 5: a key piece in the feud between Chris Jared Cohen
Speaker 5: Adam Cole, Like why can't we Yep, you're right, that
Speaker 5: was last year's Double or Nothing, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think we all talked about it on this pod too.
Speaker 3: We all enjoyed it, I remember, correctly. It was it
Speaker 3: was the one one bright point of that entire angle.
Speaker 3: That match was horrific. We don't have to talk about it.
Speaker 6: But yeah, that's that's exactly what I was alluding to.
Speaker 3: I think just having the men and women, you know,
Speaker 3: together on screen running an angle is something that's lacking
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, I mean, I've always been a proponent
Speaker 1: of having the women's tag team division, and I think
Speaker 1: it's time to pull the trigger on that, and maybe
Speaker 1: with Shockwave and if we get that show, we'll have
Speaker 1: two hours probably more of AW programming and that'll happen.
Speaker 1: So anyway, does anybody else have anything to say about
Speaker 1: the AW women's division and what they could do internationally
Speaker 1: to build Nope, all right, so let's go to our
Speaker 1: pot perice segment. Alex, is there anything that well, anything
Speaker 1: that just comes to mind when you're thinking about AW?
Speaker 2: Well, there was some. There was a news story recently
Speaker 2: about Megan the Stallion, and I gotta say I'm not
Speaker 2: super familiar with their music, but I do know she's
Speaker 2: maybe one of the more popular in the last year.
Speaker 2: I don't know if she's still as popular, but she's
Speaker 2: a popular musical artist. And she was supposedly going to
Speaker 2: come in and do something in AW with Mercedes Monet,
Speaker 2: like they have a relationship. But I guess it was
Speaker 2: kiboshed because wwe ended up using one of her songs
Speaker 2: for like NXT or something along those lines. So they
Speaker 2: had a relationship, and I guess it stopped whatever aw's
Speaker 2: plans were with Meganee Stallion. And what's interesting to me
Speaker 2: about that is we've seen, you know, we had the
Speaker 2: Jade Cargill bow Wow angle before and Megan Dee Stallion,
Speaker 2: I think is like ten steps more famous than bow Wow.
Speaker 1: I guess whatever happened to bow Wow anyway with I
Speaker 1: mean as far as that angle goes in and he
Speaker 1: just showed up and that he was just not there anymore.
Speaker 6: They canceled it right away because it went over like.
Speaker 2: And good on them. It was just so embarrassing they
Speaker 2: just needed to like stop it immediately and then the
Speaker 2: right call. So I respect that, but I also, you know,
Speaker 2: it also makes me question, uh, you know, Tony Kahan
Speaker 2: to me is maybe a guy that watches wrestling and
Speaker 2: only wrestling, and probably football as well, and probably soccer.
Speaker 2: But I don't think his like pop culture knowledge spreads
Speaker 2: much beyond there. And one of the reasons I believe
Speaker 2: that is because if you ever go to an ae
Speaker 2: W show, he doesn't shut up about Time Cop. It's like,
Speaker 2: the only movie this guy ever talks about is Time Cop.
Speaker 2: Like he'll he'll say, oh, we're filming Rampage so you
Speaker 2: get to see it in the future. It's just like
Speaker 2: Time Cop, only that's the only time travel movie that
Speaker 2: Tony Kahan knows is Time Cop.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to waste was Time Cop was that the
Speaker 1: one that Scorsese he directed, you know best pictured all that.
Speaker 2: No, it was Francis Okay, between Godfather one and two?
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Godfather won time cop Godfather too.
Speaker 5: Has Tony Khan never heard of hot tab time machine.
Speaker 2: Back to the future?
Speaker 4: No, Yes, will pop up in my head of time
Speaker 4: traveling instead of hot tub time machine. But you know,
Speaker 4: this is why I think Tony has a little bit
Speaker 4: of the autism because he he he does think like that.
Speaker 1: Odikon has definitely heard Sundon of groundhog Day because that's
Speaker 1: what he books. Sometimes I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: did we this last week, at the week before, at
Speaker 1: the week before? My god, we're stuck in a loop.
Speaker 9: Look there, there's there's there's a time and a place
Speaker 9: for all that. But I don't think Meghan the Style
Speaker 9: the Stallion is the one that they want to bring
Speaker 9: in because her music is is a younger generation music.
Speaker 9: But it's not that great. It's you know, woff and
Speaker 9: stuff like that. It's just not the RCE setting for
Speaker 9: a w period.
Speaker 8: I mean it's not.
Speaker 7: I disagree, Sudden. If you want young women to watch wrestling,
Speaker 7: you want Meghan the Stallion. So no, they they missed
Speaker 7: the ball. They missed it on this one.
Speaker 1: That Taylor Swift.
Speaker 7: No, not Taylor Swift, Oh my god, please.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 7: I think they missed out by not getting Megan the Stallion.
Speaker 7: I think it's a big loss if you if you
Speaker 7: want women, young women to watch wrestling, you want Megan
Speaker 7: thee Stallion, especially with the money like Mercedes Monette. So
Speaker 7: I think they they lost at this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. W W just got Baby Betal for their last
Speaker 1: one of their last paper views too, So man, they're
Speaker 1: sucking up all the all the.
Speaker 7: Good ones getting everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the only thing that's left is uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Ed Sheeran, I don't know.
Speaker 7: Well, we've got Fozzy, so we we we're we've got that.
Speaker 1: Going for it. Don't make me, don't make you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had they had the Costco TikTokers. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I don't, maybe I culturally deficient here.
Speaker 6: Both, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Is it wrong to want to see Hangman page versus
Speaker 3: that little kid in an unsanctioned next, No, it's not wrong.
Speaker 2: Justice is that his name?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I feel like I should answer that question. Yes, it's wrong.
Speaker 1: We all want to see it.
Speaker 8: We all lights out match, anything goes.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you have to leave the lights off because
Speaker 1: hag battles start a fire so that everything is well lit.
Speaker 8: What what is? What has today's society come to me?
Speaker 1: But I'm still trying to what the hell is? The
Speaker 1: cots go TikTokers.
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, I'm still out of touch.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Alex brought it up and then he
Speaker 1: just left.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just know they do. They go
Speaker 2: on TikTok, they go to Costco. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they review things in Costco.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they review things in Costco. They talk about the
Speaker 4: good food there that they just do stupid stuff on Costco.
Speaker 8: What the hell is they got to do with a w.
Speaker 4: They were there?
Speaker 11: Okay, okay, Oh those guys you're talking about the that show?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was never again Tony con being
Speaker 1: out of touch or r J City whoever brought them in?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I thought I literally wanted to grab
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho's baseball bet knock both of them out and
Speaker 1: then knock out Chris Jericho.
Speaker 9: But of course, hey, maybe they could put them in
Speaker 9: the Learning Tree.
Speaker 5: O god, I am the learning tree.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I'll tell you what. That is an expression
Speaker 1: I really really really don't ever want to hear again
Speaker 1: in my life. I guess what we're going to hear
Speaker 1: it tomorrow night.
Speaker 5: So I tied directly into my pot pourri, So I
Speaker 5: guess I'll just jump in the It's just funny to
Speaker 5: me that four years later we're revisiting this feud between
Speaker 5: Chris Jericho and Orange Cassidy and just now basically Jericho
Speaker 5: wants his seven thousand dollars for the suit that Orange
Speaker 5: Cassie dumbed Orange Juice on. I'm like, Jericho, why did
Speaker 5: you just ask for the seven thousand dollars like two
Speaker 5: weeks after the match. It's just funny to me that
Speaker 5: they're revisiting the feud.
Speaker 8: This is an example.
Speaker 9: This is an example of tk's long range booking.
Speaker 5: Four years, four years, four years bag they had.
Speaker 8: He figured it this way.
Speaker 9: He figured they'd have nothing better to do four years
Speaker 9: from now, and he didn't foresee the learning tree and
Speaker 9: the conglomeration. So you know, it just happened to work
Speaker 9: out that way.
Speaker 7: Oh I'm sorry, what was in the bag? I missed?
Speaker 1: What was in the bag picture of the best friends.
Speaker 12: Oh, for Pete's sake exactly, Yeah, you know, and the
Speaker 12: manual on how to do a surprise roll up.
Speaker 7: Oh, it should have been there. Yeah, it should have
Speaker 7: been every week with the fruit roll ups. I can't
Speaker 7: take anymore. I really can't.
Speaker 5: Wait.
Speaker 9: I think we should take up a collection and buy
Speaker 9: as many fruit roll ups as we can and send
Speaker 9: them to Orange Cassidy.
Speaker 1: We should.
Speaker 8: Invite to the ship.
Speaker 1: Wait, we tell him that he has to discard one
Speaker 1: of them, to throw one of them into the crowd,
Speaker 1: out of his out of his backpack every time he
Speaker 1: uses the surprise roll up, and he will probably run
Speaker 1: out of those things in a matter of about six weeks.
Speaker 7: And better he on like three times a week, so
Speaker 7: he'll run out in two weeks.
Speaker 9: He wasn't been on three times. He wasn't on three
Speaker 9: times last week.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 5: Wait, yet he's not When we give him the fruit
Speaker 5: roll ups, we try to find every flavor but the orange.
Speaker 1: Flavor, special type of Hell, I w.
Speaker 5: I love this, but they're like, it's four years later,
Speaker 5: let's go back to it. Who guts?
Speaker 1: And you know, the funny thing is is that I
Speaker 1: don't remember that whole at all. Not even I don't remember.
Speaker 4: That with the Mimosa mayhem.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 6: It was just an angle, but it's I don't remember it.
Speaker 5: You know what? This is how a live Jericho feuds go,
Speaker 5: where they have them. They'll have a singles match on
Speaker 5: Dynamite and then they'll build up to like a rematch
Speaker 5: on the pay per view. I remember a certain other
Speaker 5: wrestler that had a feud with Jericho who I won't
Speaker 5: name him, kel saying you know who I'm talking about, that.
Speaker 1: Ricky Ricky Starks. Go ahead, No, not.
Speaker 5: Saying I know, I know how you feel what I
Speaker 5: say his name, so I'm not going to but yes
Speaker 5: you might have said it. That's exactly how his feud
Speaker 5: with Jered Co went. And I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 5: this match with Orange Cassie tomorrow ends up going in
Speaker 5: the same direction where they have the match and then
Speaker 5: they run it back at Russell Dream just because why not.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's two stars who are highly over and
Speaker 4: you have Learning three versus the co conglomeration and have
Speaker 4: Kelson's worst nightmare and take the dog for a long walk.
Speaker 4: So Kington will be the referee.
Speaker 1: So I have a question, and part of me if
Speaker 1: I fall asleep while I'm asking this question. So at
Speaker 1: Grand Slam, we're going to have an FT wh at
Speaker 1: F t W title match? Uh who who is challenging hook?
Speaker 1: I can't for the life of me. That's probably why
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Okay, I was like, who the hell is?
Speaker 9: Maybe that'll be the death Maybe that'll be the final
Speaker 9: nail in the coffin for the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: Disputed Kingdom, unnecessary Kingdom. Yeah, we don't want an entire nation,
Speaker 1: you know, an entire European you know nation, to get killed.
Speaker 1: We just want the unnecessary Kingdom to get killed. Well
Speaker 1: we When I say we, I mean me, we.
Speaker 8: Mean that way.
Speaker 4: I'm just tired of it. I don't know why he's
Speaker 4: sticking with And I had a prop on that why
Speaker 4: are we keeping them around when Adam Cole is not
Speaker 4: even on TV and Wardlow is not around?
Speaker 13: Okay, okay, we just established that Tony Kahan is doing
Speaker 13: something tomorrow night on a four year old.
Speaker 1: Feud, Am culp. It's always been Consence Russell dream. Last
Speaker 1: year I believe it was, wasn't it. So uh yeah,
Speaker 1: now he's still fresh and as far as Tony kng goes, it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about bow Wow. You know they canceled
Speaker 2: bow Wow right away.
Speaker 1: That was a brilliant segue right into that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, somebody who's rating action.
Speaker 2: Of is bow Wow the faction? Ever since Adam Cole
Speaker 2: got hurt, it's just been a disaster. And yeah, they
Speaker 2: just keep it going. We're low escaped. He ran away.
Speaker 4: He was just like I got hurt a car wreck.
Speaker 2: Okay, so a legit car wreck or a k fabe
Speaker 2: car wreck.
Speaker 11: Yeah he had a legit correct Okay, okay, Yeah, but
Speaker 11: he was out that night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interest problem.
Speaker 4: He can't catch a break. I don't know what they
Speaker 4: need to do with him, honestly anymore. They've tried everything
Speaker 4: in the world, so I don't know where you're going next.
Speaker 7: He can join the learning tree.
Speaker 8: No, God, no, he's been down that route before.
Speaker 1: Hey, quick question, does anybody know where the mute button
Speaker 1: is on? Never mind, because that is getting on my
Speaker 1: last nerve tonight.
Speaker 7: I haven't even started with Eddie Kingston.
Speaker 8: He missed it. I told him he's going to be
Speaker 8: there tomorrow night. He's going to do a forty five
Speaker 8: minute segment on the mock situation made.
Speaker 4: Will the dresses.
Speaker 1: It will not be a forty five minute segment. It'll
Speaker 1: just feel like a forty minutes.
Speaker 6: So I have a potpourri if I could real quick.
Speaker 3: So well, first and foremost, shout out to Shad's Shades.
Speaker 3: If you're listening, hope all as well. I We'll try
Speaker 3: to join you tomorrow. But he recently went to an
Speaker 3: event and we were kind of discussing how aw can
Speaker 3: build more attendance, and I was kind of confused and
Speaker 3: bewildered by the fact.
Speaker 6: That they really don't do much fanfare.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: They you sell the tickets, you get to your seats early,
Speaker 3: you get three dark matches. I don't know about you, guys,
Speaker 3: I don't know how old you are so forth. But
Speaker 3: when I was a kid, when I would go to
Speaker 3: a WWF event, there would at least be a Greg
Speaker 3: Valentine sitting in the corridor, grumpy as hell, signing autographs.
Speaker 3: But you kind of go in with that expectation, and like,
Speaker 3: you know, you're going to an event, and I feel
Speaker 3: as though there's a couple of things they can do
Speaker 3: a less you know, cheap in the tickets, make them
Speaker 3: more affordable and be do a little bit more fanfare
Speaker 3: for the fans. I'm not saying a W doesn't care
Speaker 3: about the fans. I'm not saying all that, but they
Speaker 3: could be doing a little bit more to attract more
Speaker 3: people in the arenas.
Speaker 9: So I mentioned earlier about the Pittsburgh show that's coming up.
Speaker 9: They're having the fifth anniversary in Pittsburgh on the second.
Speaker 1: Sutton, I need to erupt you there. It's called Britsburg.
Speaker 11: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 8: That's what I said. I would love to go to
Speaker 8: that show, but she'll show up and I don't want
Speaker 8: to see that.
Speaker 14: But anyway, three apps, every app that I use Facebook,
Speaker 14: readdit uh, any app like game apps or anything that.
Speaker 8: I put on my phone. I have been getting a
Speaker 8: serious amount of pre advertisement for that Pittsburgh show. Everyone
Speaker 8: I go to I can see that.
Speaker 9: I can see that ad and it's got the acclaimed
Speaker 9: and it shows other stuff. It shows Britain to ring
Speaker 9: with the terrible towel, which I think is a crime
Speaker 9: that she can be prosecuted for.
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure. But you know, tickets aren't bad, you know,
Speaker 8: for what it is.
Speaker 9: It's twenty dollars for the outer tickets go down to
Speaker 9: about forty for the upper ring, and then yet the
Speaker 9: floor tickets are around anywhere from one hundred and twenty
Speaker 9: to one hundred and eighty.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's not great, but it's not bad.
Speaker 6: It's not terrible.
Speaker 3: It isn't but those floor seats could be a little
Speaker 3: bit more affordable, especially if they're going to be comping them.
Speaker 3: You know, as people attend the show, they need people,
Speaker 3: they need to be able.
Speaker 6: To shoot it right, so they're going to boot people.
Speaker 3: Another thing they can do too, if I could quickly say,
Speaker 3: is there's no merchandise, Like the merchandise tables are always
Speaker 3: lacking at these events I have, you know, I'm on Twitter.
Speaker 3: It's my guilty pleasure, and I see so many people,
Speaker 3: like actual fans that go to the show. Even all In,
Speaker 3: Like all In had two tables, two merchant tables, and
Speaker 3: they weren't even selling wrestling wrestler themed merchandise. It was
Speaker 3: all just event themed merchandise. And that's just I don't
Speaker 3: understand it. That is that is like easy money. You
Speaker 3: have everybody there, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean let's go to a concert, you know,
Speaker 1: like a Taylor Swift concert and getting you know, Donald
Speaker 1: Trump shirts for sale. There's no toy swift, sir.
Speaker 6: You gotta keep warm, you gotta keep warm. Kelson Burnham.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's the thing I've noticed too. When I
Speaker 4: go to a WS I'm looking for a T shirt
Speaker 4: and they have you know, just regular ae W T
Speaker 4: shirts but nothing so and I get it, you know
Speaker 4: there with they're not what WWE is and and they're
Speaker 4: with the p w TS thing from you and stuff.
Speaker 4: But they could do so much more even with what
Speaker 4: you're talking about. With a meet and greet up somebody, anybody,
Speaker 4: I don't care who it.
Speaker 6: Is, anybody who's available.
Speaker 4: It could be saying i'll see you Barje.
Speaker 3: City is willing to talk to the costco kid, have
Speaker 3: him go out there and meet some fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One thing I really like what AW does in live
Speaker 2: shows is and it feels like an old school thing.
Speaker 2: But I don't I don't know. I wasn't around back
Speaker 2: in the day, but and I've heard people say similar
Speaker 2: things on Reddit after shows. But when I was there,
Speaker 2: I think in London, Ontario for a collision, there was
Speaker 2: a kid up front but like leaning over the guardrail
Speaker 2: during the show, and he had a sign and he
Speaker 2: was getting all the wrestlers to come sign the sign
Speaker 2: for him. And then I think it was the second
Speaker 2: last match Brian Keith lost, and then on his way
Speaker 2: out of the ring, he grabs this kid sign and
Speaker 2: tears it up right. And then at the end of
Speaker 2: the show, Daniel Garcia like gets on the mic just
Speaker 2: addressing the crowd and he says to the kid, He's like,
Speaker 2: did Brian Keith rip your sign? And then he gets
Speaker 2: gets the kid to come into the ring, and they
Speaker 2: do like a whole thing with the kid and get
Speaker 2: the kid to do the dance and everything. So I
Speaker 2: feel like they they do do an effort in making
Speaker 2: like the special moments for the crowd afterwards and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, which I think is cool. I don't know
Speaker 2: if they do that in WWE. Maybe during house shows,
Speaker 2: but probably not during a raw.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, but I can tell you and
Speaker 1: I'm sure Sutton will back me up on this, but
Speaker 1: back in the day, when we were younger, they used
Speaker 1: to actually fluck the arena, bring out chips and have
Speaker 1: real dable battles in the chips, you know, back like
Speaker 1: at the Call Asleep and stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, it's been really expensive.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that was there and but yeah, does anybody
Speaker 1: else have a pote Poirie that they want to bring up? No, well,
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for tonight. Thanks everybody for Coby.
Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun. We'll be back tomorrow night. Well,
Speaker 1: some of us will be back tomorrow night. I won't
Speaker 1: be because I'll be at Dynamite and I'll be reporting
Speaker 1: in so Hey if you want, uh, I will be
Speaker 1: posting some pictures and some thoughts about the Dark matches
Speaker 1: and the AW spoiler Room on our discord, so be
Speaker 1: sure to join that and I'll be definitely spoiling the
Speaker 1: hell out of everything for everybody. But anyway, thanks everybody
Speaker 1: for coming, and uh, we'll see you tomorrow night. For
Speaker 1: all Lee Talk so forty AW fan podcast team. This
Speaker 1: is Kelson z Alex. Good everybody, Thank guys, n bout
Speaker 1: any kicks then,