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and talk if you start to wonder to yourself, if
this guy isn't just about the nicest guy you've heard well,
it's not just you. He probably is. He's a really
nice guy. Of course, I'm talking about tonight's guest, Aaron
Nicely Aeron. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey buddy, thanks for having me on the show tonight.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for coming on. We appreciate your time. Aaron,
Please give us a brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm from Alleghany County, Virginia. I'm going to have
it Elton doorsman. I like to hunt and fish, and
you go gen sanging, mushroom hunting and just spend a
lot of time outdoors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely are an avid outdoors When you got
an early start, your granddad actually taught you just about
everything you know about the mountains. I'm wondering, though, when
did he start taking you out and showing you the ropes.
Speaker 3: When I was four and five years old, my granddaddy
and daddy to take me out and wait, he'd hunt,
and my granddad showed me about hunting mushrooms and looking
for gen saying, and deer hunting, turkey hunting, trout fishing,
just at an early age.
Speaker 2: Wow, what a great way to grow up. If more
kids were brought up that way, the world would be
a totally different place. Speaking of your granddad, he told
you about an unusual experience he had in Clifton Forge, Virginia.
What happened to him?
Speaker 3: Well, it was actually my dad. He had an experience
here in Clifton Forge. It was he was hunting and
he was telling me. He said that he had this
thing come up over the ridge on him one time,
and he was watching it when it got up to
the top of it, he said it saw him and
retched out and grabbed a tree it was at almost
like a pole, and spun around and he went down
the side of the mountain. But he said it looked
like a little chimpanzee. And just like me, he's spent
a lot of time out in the woods and on
the mountains. And if he says it was something that,
you know, it wasn't supposed to be, I'm inclined to
believe him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why you would after seeing that
that day. Was he a card carrying believer in sasquatch
or did he still not to understand what he had seen.
Speaker 3: He just told me he never really knew what it was.
They didn't understand what it was that day, and looked
like a little monkey to hing.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it did.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: It's ashamed that he didn't come to Grips as well.
Was down the road, or maybe he didn't just didn't
want to tell you. It's hard to say. Did your
dad or granddad ever tell you anything about dog men?
Speaker 3: Now, my granddad and my dad never told me anything
about dog man. And really, you know, there was not
a lot of people around here that I've ever heard
say they seen one. And you know, just with the
experience that I had, it was there's far fetched to him, really,
I believe.
Speaker 2: Oh, of course it was far fetched. I mean, after all,
there's no way that anything like that could be out
there if they haven't seen one, right, absolutely, yeah, we
know the truth on that. I don't fault them. I mean,
when you spend years upon years, your whole life out
in the woods, hunting, fishing, hiking, do whatever, camping and
you don't see one of these guys, it's all too
easy to think that, Okay, I've spent so much time
out here that if they were out here, I would
have seen one. But that's just not how it is.
It really isn't.
Speaker 3: Like me and you were talking the woods and mountains
around here. It's just a vast place. There's no way
that anybody can see everything, and there is.
Speaker 1: To say in them.
Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely anything could be out there, Aaron, From
what I understand, when you were growing up, we're wolves.
We're your favorite movie monster?
Speaker 1: Why? So? Absolutely? I just loved them.
Speaker 3: It was I just watched werewolf movies and Silver Bullet
and everything come out as just a it hit home.
Speaker 1: I loved it. It was just my favorite monster growing up.
Speaker 2: I understand you've got really good teaste. Speaking of good taste,
let's just get to it now. Go ahead and announce
what the best werewolf movie of all time is. Dog Soldiers,
let's do that again. Go ahead and tell us what
the best werewolf movie of all time is. I'm just
messing with you. When I have guests, come on, we
talk about werewolf movies. I'm always touting how Bad Moons
the best werewolf movie, which I think it is. But yeah,
there are tons of other werewolf movies out there, like
what you mentioned, that are really good. So that's just
one man's opinion.
Speaker 1: I'll have to check that out for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh, you haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 1: I've never seen that.
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, you need to watch that. If you do,
you just might change your mind on what's the best one.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, I believe it might.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a good possibility of that. You were a
turkey hunting when you had your encounter. Had you been
doing much in the way of turkey hunting before that?
Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely.
Speaker 3: My dad makes turkey calls and I use his, and
ever since I was little, I just fell in love
with it, just being able to, you know, call something
and get it to come, tell you a trick it.
Speaker 1: And they're smart.
Speaker 3: It's hard to trick them really around here, so sometimes
they don't even answer your calls. But yeah, I've done
a great deal of turkey hunting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're so smart as hard to trick them anywhere.
Of course, I don't hunt them, but I've heard a
lot of people talk about how difficult it is to
effectively hunt them. So I can only imagine what kind
of rifle did you have in your hands that day?
Speaker 3: I had a Marlin twenty two magnum. There was a
Marlin Model twenty five m and I had a Barska
three to nine scope on it.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you were really undergun for anything like dog
men but of course when you head into the woods,
you weren't going out with the intent of trying to
take one down, So that's understandable.
Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, it was the last thing on my mind
that I was going to see anything like that.
Speaker 2: Oh, of course, you never expect to see one until
you do. You were close to a national forest when
that encounter happened. Which National forest was it? And just
how close were you to it?
Speaker 3: Well, just at a Iron Gate, Virginia's place called Cliff
or Glenn Wilton, Virginia, and it's off two twenty. It's
an interstate run there, and you go about two three
miles back and you come to a bridge I guess
it would be I don't know if that's George Washington
National Forest or not back in there, but in Glenn Wilton, Virginia.
Speaker 2: Wow, You've got so many good forests around there that
you can pretty much take your pick and where you
go when you do things like Turkey Hunter, you name it.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful here, man, it's a it's a hunter's paradise. Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been to Virginia and I couldn't agree more
with what you said. It really is beautiful. How much
is your encounter changed your interest in heading back into
the wood cell.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm be honest with you, I've been hunting a
whole lot more since then, and uh, with my encounter
not being like most of the other people's encounters being bad,
I haven't had a problem going back in there. But
I do often wonder if I'm ever gonna run into
him again. I think about it when it's dark in
the morning and you hit me in with little four ashlight,
what you're gonna bump into?
Speaker 2: Oh sure you haven't encounter with something like that. It's
only natural that you're going to wonder if you're going
to have a second encounter. So yeah, that's totally normal.
All right, dearon, please tell us about your encounter, now,
give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Sure. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Like we were talking about a turkey hunt and I
hunt a lot, and we were talking about Glenn Whilton, Virginia,
and I like the turkey hunt back there, and I
was heading into Glen Wilton one day. You go across
this bridge and there's a sort of train tracks there,
and you go across the train tracks and you go
right or left, And I decided I was gonna go left.
And down the roadways there's a power line. And I
don't know how a lot of other people turkey hunt,
but when I go into the woods after a turkey,
I like to hear a turkey. And I'll hit my
call different places and try and hear one gobble and
he's on up on him and sit down and hit
the call again, try and get him come to me.
Speaker 1: And I'd stopped road up there.
Speaker 3: It was a big long power line there, and I
just wanted to see if I could hear a bird.
And when I got out of the truck, I had
my turkey call there. I had my rifle over my
back and I hit the call a couple of times
and I didn't hear nothing. I didn't hear no turkey's
gobble or really anything going on. But that's normal every
now and then you might hit the call and you
won't get on one right away. You might have to
hit it a couple of times or move around and
find one. And about the second or third time I
hit to call, this big black thing come out up
in the power line, about two hundred yards up in it,
and it looked like a black beard me And you know,
I'm getting excited I was like, you know, that's pretty cool.
I called in a black bear to my turkey call.
I was like, that's the first time for ed. I
was like, but I know predators will come looking for
easy prey on turkeys. They might hear it and come
in thinking they might get a quick meal. And I
was like, well, I call it in a black bear.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: And I got my hands out in front of me.
It's this little it's like a disc that I'm holding
on a striker so I don't have to move a
lot to strike it. And I strike it again. What
stands up? And I'm thinking, I was like, I've never
seen a black bear stand up. I was like, it's awesome.
And he's he's leaning back and forth side to side,
like left and right, like he's looking down that power
line for a turkey. And I pull Like we were
talking about the rifle that I had. I carry a
rifle with scope. I wanted to get a better luck,
not to harm the bear or anything, but just to
look at him. And when I moved a gun off
my shoulder and up, he must have seen me, and
he dropped back down to all fours. And when I'm
looking at him through his scope. It's it's not a
black bear. It's a it's a black wolf like animal
that's got a long, bushy black tail ca nine ears long,
I remember how long its snout was. Just just thinking,
you know, this isn't a bear. I was like, but
he was standing up, and he's moving from right to
left across this power line. It's probably fifty yards wide,
and that's about all the time that I had to
look at him was through a scope as he was moving,
and I'm thinking, I was like, you know, was this
somebody's was this somebody's dog or is this an animal?
And growing up, like we were talking about my granddaddy
and my daddy teaching me hunt, I don't shoot it
nothing I'm not sure of. And it was definitely something
that I was unsure of, and just it was like
shock and awe. It wasn't anything scary that he did
to me, like menacing or that he stalked me out
of the woods, but just you know, seeing something that's
as big as that was standing up and then it
turned out to not be a bear, it blew my mind.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure it did. I don't doubt that at all.
You obviously had that rifle with you, but did you
have a backup weapon?
Speaker 3: Now, I didn't have any backup weapon, just a twenty
two magnum And honestly, like we were talking about it,
I wasn't trying to shoot at it, really, I was
not sure of what I was like. It was just
crazy to think that this was a bear all in
my head all this time until it drops down and
I'm looking at it through the scope and it's a canine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can only imagine I thought was going through
your head when you were seeing all that play out.
You had to be mind blown about that. Did you
think that you'd call it in a black beard due
to the sheer mass of the creature or body parts
that you saw on it at first?
Speaker 1: The mass of it and the it was solid black.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's understandable due to the slope of the ground
between you and it. Were you above it or was
it above you?
Speaker 1: It was above me looking up the powerline.
Speaker 2: Did it ever put its muzzle in the air and
try to wind you or did it just keep its
head down the whole time for the most part, other
than standing up onto its back legs.
Speaker 1: Before I looked through the scope. Was when I believe
that it was looking around for that turkey, and because
when he was bobbing left or right, I believe that
he was looking down through that power line trying to
spot a hen that hend he was here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that just might be what was going on. Some
eyewitnesses report when they see a dog man moving in
the area when they are eyes on that some dog
men look smooth in their movements and well balanced. Other
people report that the dogman they saw look twitchy and
off balance, almost like they're walking on high heels. Well,
the twitchiness is kind of like a tweaker and the
off balance movements basically, it's what you would expect to
see if someone if a woman's trying to walk in
really high heels who doesn't know how to walk in
them very well.
Speaker 1: Did you see something was agile?
Speaker 2: It was agile.
Speaker 3: He was moving smooth through He like he'd been there
a thousand times. There was nothing clumsy about him. They
stood up and others than bob and left or right,
there was no He wasn't shaken or stumbling. And when
he hit all fours, it was just like watching a
wolf flok.
Speaker 2: Did he make much noise when he was getting out
of the area.
Speaker 3: I never heard anything out of him. I never even
heard him coming in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part for the course. Did all the ambient
noise stop when he came into the area, Well.
Speaker 3: Like I was telling you when I was calling, I
didn't hear anything that morning, so it was super quiet.
I didn't really hear any birds or any turkeys clucking
or gobbling or craze. And it didn't make any noise itself.
It never let out a howl or any kind of
grunts or grains.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, sometimes they don't. Sometimes it seems like they
just appear. And that's all there is to it. Before
I move on, everybody listening, if you have any questions
you'd like for me to ask Aaron, please type them
in all caps. If you're in the live chat, that is,
please type your question in all caps so I don't
miss it. That'll make it real easy for me to
see erin. You mentioned the fact that it had a
very long muzzle. How long would you say it.
Speaker 1: Was longer than a German shepherd's but under a foot
I'd say it was about nine inches.
Speaker 2: That is pretty long due to the size of his head.
Did that muscle seem to be disproportionately long still or
fit size wise.
Speaker 3: Size wise, it seemed about fit to the animal. It
was very large. It was a large animal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you're that big, then if you have
a long muscle of long ears, it can still look proportional.
So that does make sense. Did you get the impression
that it moved off away from you because it was
upset about you seeing it, or you being in the area,
or for some other reason.
Speaker 3: Most definitely when when I moved at rifle and it
seen me move, it was heading on out of the area.
Speaker 1: Did not. I don't believe they're ignorant.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it knows, just like the animals around here
know what a hunter is and what to go around,
what not to go around. It's just I'm sure we
were both shocked.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was shocked. I think it knew
that you were there before you did. But I could
definitely understand what you would be. Yeah, almost anyone would
be seeing something like that, definitely. Well, let's get to
some of the questions now. The first one on deck
is from Jamie and Jimmy wants to know what color
eyes did it have.
Speaker 1: Looking through that scope? I couldn't really, I couldn't really
see entail. I want to say yellow if I said
anything at all, I'd say yellow is what it looked like.
Just that was the only thing that really stood out
other than the teeth on the face. From how dark
it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a commonly reported color for their eyes, so
that fits. Al Santariga. Al, He's got a question for you.
He wants to know how tall it was.
Speaker 1: I'd say at the very least six foot tall, because
that's about how big the barrel are around here. It
could have been between six and eight feet tall, is
what I'm guessing. It was a very large animal.
Speaker 2: Since you two weren't level on a level grade, it
would be really hard to ESTI meat accurately. So yeah,
I mean, all you can do is guess in the
situation like that. So I get it.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: The next one up is from Tiffany Harding. He tiff
Tiff wants to know did it look like it had
thick hair?
Speaker 1: It had black hair like a wolf would have. It was.
It wasn't like it was overwhelmingly long or thick. It was.
Speaker 3: If you look at a timberwolf or charyte or a
German shepherd, the way that the hair flows down it.
It had hair similar to that. It had thicker hair
on its tail. Mainly, it seemed to me than anywhere.
Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned that because Ian Conzell wants to know,
did you see it? Tell?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And that's what let me know that it wasn't
a black bear. That I was seeing something that was
not a black bear. And once I got up towards
the face, it was Canaine. It was way longer than
any of the bears that I've seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it didn't take long for you to
decide that it's definitely not a black bear after you
see those features. Did its ears sit on top of
its head or on the sides of its head?
Speaker 1: They pointed up like a German shepherd's ears would look.
Speaker 2: But were they mounted up on top or some of
them actually have them almost down on the sides where
a human would have them.
Speaker 3: It was up top, like if they would point it up,
it would go straight up.
Speaker 1: It had to. I could see the tips up its
ears through the scope.
Speaker 2: Okay, I see how tall would you guess that they were?
Speaker 1: They come off ahead, probably three or four inches, about
the size of a bear's ears or a wolf's ears.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's fairly tall, that is. Alicie Antarigo wants
to know how much you think it weighed.
Speaker 3: I have no way of guessing how much you weighed.
It was over one hundred pounds, over two hundred pounds.
I thought it was a larger black bear that had
come in.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I'm sure that was probably the last thing
on your mind trying to guess it's weighed at the
time I've mentioned Oh, definitely. Yeah, that's human nature to
not even think about something like that when I've been
a guest on other people's shows. I've mentioned this before.
There's a scientific principle called square cube law, and square
cube law states that if you double the size of
an object and keep that object's proportions the same, then
the weight of that object will multiply by a factor
of eight. And if you have any doubts about that
that scientific law, here's a good way to break it down.
If you take a cube that's one foot by one
foot by one foot, and that cube weighs one hundred
pounds because it's made out of something with that kind
of density, Well, if you increase the size of that
cube to two feet by two feet by two feet
to do to make a structure that size out of
those one foot by one foot by one foot blocks.
Let's break it down. You'd have one foot by one
foot cube side by side. You'd have two of those
cubes stacked on top of the bottom two. That's a
total of four. And then you would have an identical
stack right behind that stack of four. So you'd have
eight of those blocks that are one foot by one
foot by one foot to make a two foot by
two foot by two foot structure. So when it comes
to sas squatch dog men, if these guys had the
same proportions that a human had, which they don't. They're
more robust in most cases by quite a bit. But
if they did have the same proportions. If you took
a six foot man, for example, and had that six
foot man increased in size up to twelve feet and
kept all the proportions the same, as hard to believe
as it might be. If his proportions were kept the same,
now you're dealing with a man that weighs sixteen hundred pounds.
So yeah, just something to think when people see sasquatch
and dog men, I realize it can be really hard
to estimate their weights, but in most cases people grossly
underestimate their weights, as I just laid out by sharing
that scientific principle with you. The next question on deck
is from mister Nielsy and mister Neilsy wants to know
did you notice in the unusual smell?
Speaker 3: No, I didn't smell anything. It didn't have any odors
or anything in the air.
Speaker 2: Also, too, you're far enough away from it where unless
the wind was really blowing in your direction in your favor,
you wouldn't have smelled it anyway. Absolutely, yeah, definitely. This
next one up is from Michigan meat eater. I'm glad
to hear he's doing better. I guess he was sick
for a while there. Michigan meat eater wants to know
how quickly did it cover the fifty or so yards
of the open power lines.
Speaker 1: When it hit back down to all fours.
Speaker 3: It was a matter of seconds before it was across
the power line and gone.
Speaker 2: When they want to move, they definitely can. They can
move with a purpose.
Speaker 1: It was covered from ground.
Speaker 2: Oh, no, I believe it. This next one up is
from Scott Langhorst and Scott wants to know did it
have a mean like a lion?
Speaker 1: It did not.
Speaker 3: It was very wolf like in features, just just large.
Speaker 2: Well, some do, some don't, so that fits. The next
one on deck is from Casey Rich thirteen and Casey
wants to know did you see its legs? If yes,
what did they look like?
Speaker 3: They were long and like canine legs. They were proportionate to.
Speaker 2: A wolf for a dog, so it's definitely a canine type.
Then that solves that. Next question is from Glenn Kamada. Hey, Glenn,
Glenn wants to know. Well, I guess that's the same
question there. You wanted to know if it had dog
like legs, So we can move past that one. Yeah,
sounds like it did. The next one up is from
EUC Houston and EUC wants to know was it panting
like a dog or a wolf?
Speaker 1: Yes, through the scope.
Speaker 3: When it was crossing back towards the power line and
I was looking at it, it had its mouth open
and I believe it was painting. It did walk with
its mouth open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must have been moving fast for even saw it,
so that would explain that. D Truth wants to know
what would you guess on weight and height. I guess
we already covered that, but they well, I guess he
wants to know about eye color. That's something you covered
as well, so we can move past that as well.
This next one is from an console and An wants
to know if you saw its teeth.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did.
Speaker 3: It had teeth that it had teeth like Canlin's longer
white teeth it had.
Speaker 1: It was very similar to dog teeth.
Speaker 2: When you saw those teeth, I can only imagine the
thoughts going through your head.
Speaker 1: All right, I knew it had some teeth on it
for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't doubt that. Were you able to see
the teeth clearly enough to tell if its teeth were
different from dog teeth in that in a dog's mouth,
not every tooth is really sharp.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I didn't say everyone, but as I was scanning
up and down this animal, when I was saying that
its mouth was open and seeing its muzzle and.
Speaker 1: It had teeth in its mouth, Oh, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sure it did. Yeah, it's like a staple for these guys.
The next one on deck is from Stella. Stella wants
to know, and this is kind of a question that's
been asked, but maybe not in this way or this angle.
She wants to know, did it seem like it was
on a mission, as if it was very focused?
Speaker 3: Yes, I did. It came in looking at I believe
it was hunting. I believe it heard the turkey column
was coming in and looking for something to eat. When
it stood up and was bob and left and right
and looking down that power line, it was focused on
some it was looking for that bird.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't need to tell you. I'm sure you
know that grizzlies in a lot of places when they
hear a rifle shot, they'll come running looking for a
free meal. So that might be what was going on there.
Maybe he knew that you were hunting in he was
trying to be opportunistic about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he could have been trying to slip in and
get behind a bird that was coming I didn't know about.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was going to get the bird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you did, you the bird anywhere near, It's
not like you're going to be able to take it away.
Speaker 1: From him, So he could have had it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he knew that too, So I don't
doubt that at all. This next one's from Christy. Christy
wants to know did it cause you to have nightmares
and how long did they last?
Speaker 3: Now, I've never had a nightmare about it. I've often
thought about it if I was ever going to run
into it again or say something like it.
Speaker 1: And other than that, now, I haven't had any nightmares
or fears of it.
Speaker 2: Because of how they look in their demeanor, it's all
too easy to think that these guys are always really
intense and they're going to act in a really nasty
way when you have an encounter with one. But yeah,
that's not always the keys. As you found out firsthand,
sometimes people have encounters that are almost benign, and thank
goodness for that. Thank goodness, they're not always all bad.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And it was a it was a very calm,
quick encounter that I had. He did like I said,
He didn't come after me. He wasn't snarled up at
me and making noises or mock charging like a bear wood.
He come out and stood up and was looking around
trying to find something. When I moved and pulled my
gun up to look and see what I was seeing,
he dropped down on all fours and that's when I
seen that this was a canine that had a long
black bushy tail and was walking on all wars, had
a long muzzle and he's doing he's gone out and
away from me. He didn't come down towards me. And
in a way like me and you was talking about
it was almost like, hey, you didn't shoot at me.
Speaker 1: You did and harm me. It's like I'm not gonna
bother you. It's like we're both just here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have to have an encounter, that's the
best kind to have, definitely, And I'm so glad, like
I've told you before, that this didn't affect you in
a negative way. With that in mind, though, does that
mean that you didn't start carrying a backup weapon into
the woods with you whenever you would go.
Speaker 3: I used to, honestly a lot, and it was just
a wonder that I didn't that day with turkeys. I
didn't really have anything in my mind that I was
gonna need backed up. But a lot of the time
I'm carrying a Smith and Wesson Model nineteen three fifty
seven magnum or nineteen eleven forty five ACP is a
backup gun, and I carry a buck light pocket knife.
But since thenna, you know, really, if I seen him again,
I wouldn't shoot at him if he wasn't bothering me.
I just I didn't feel threatened by it at all.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you know better than to shoot at one,
especially with the twenty two mag Yeah, that wouldn't be
a good, say situation at all. It really wouldn't. After
you had the experience, did you take it upon yourself
to try to warn everyone that you knew about what
you saw.
Speaker 3: I told family members and friends about my encounter, and
you know, you get mixed things. So it's like some
people are like, wow, you really seen that, and I'm
like yeah, and then some people are skeptical. You'll get
snickers and laughs, and like I was telling you, you know,
I'm even willing to come on here on the show
and risk my credibility as a hunter as how serious
I seen this. I would take a polygraph test. There's
no doubt in my mind.
Speaker 1: I seen a bipedal black wolf in Glenn Wilton, Virginia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Once you saw it stand up and especially saw
that long bushy tail, Yeah, that removed all doubt that
it wasn't a black bear because they don't come that way. Definitely. Well,
this next question for you from the live chats from
d Truth. He wants to know how far was it
from you.
Speaker 3: I'd estimate about two hundred two hundred and fifty yards,
And when I looked at it through the scope, I
was using a three to nine BARSCA and I had
it set on six powers, so it just seemed right
in on.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure a big part of why you handled
this experience so well not only dealt with the fact
that it left the area it absconded when it saw you,
but or when it looked at you. I'm sure it
already had seen you, but the fact that it was
so far away. I just wonder if it was fifty
feet from you, how much different this would be.
Speaker 3: Man, You know, I have thought about that. Maybe it
would have been a scarier experience for me. Maybe even
if it didn't charge. It was a big old animal,
and especially like me and you were talking about seeing
thing that's unusual or abnormal, it's hard to say, really
how if it was closer, how it or went it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one thing to have an experience it two
hundred plus yards with one of these guys, but at
close range that changes everything, it really does.
Speaker 1: You had to be right up on top of something
like that, it puts you in a bind, Like you
were saying, with your experience, it would make you feel
right alone.
Speaker 2: It would you mine was with a sasquatch though, but
it makes you feel awfully lonely. It definitely does. You
told your wife about your experience? How did that go?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I told my girlfriend and she was She was
supportive of me. She believes me.
Speaker 3: She was very proud of me for coming on the
podcast night and talking and sharing my story with everybody.
She's been very supportive of it. Every now and then
she'll give me a hard time, tell me, maybe he
might be following me around. I might bump into him again.
Speaker 1: Oh I know.
Speaker 2: That's not right. But it sounds like she's a keeper though.
Speaker 1: I really like that, the fact that, yeah, she's real
supportive of everything I do.
Speaker 2: That's great. That's how it should be. You've got another
family member's actually listening in tonight. Who is it?
Speaker 3: I got a little girl listening to the show, and
I was real proud to have her listening.
Speaker 1: Tell me come on here tonight.
Speaker 2: That's great. What are her thoughts on all this? Does
she believe your wholehearted lee or is she.
Speaker 1: Not sure, she's five.
Speaker 2: Well, that's great. She's getting an early start, that's for sure.
Did you have any misgivings telling her about what happened
to you, being afraid of how it might negatively affect her?
Speaker 3: Well, rightfully, I've never sat down and just told her
about it. My mom and daddy are tuning into the
show and they said they'd have her. They're listening, so
it is probably her first time ever getting to listen
to the story.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see, Well, no one would know better than
you if she's ready to know about these guys. So yeah,
I've got all the faith in the world in you
that you're making the right decision. This next question is
from wall to her Cockubinski and Walter wants to know
did you see the dog man take steps or did
it glide?
Speaker 3: It didn't glide. It took strides like a dog. When
it hit all fours. I never seen it take a
two legged step. It stood on its back legs and
rocked left to right looking down through the power line.
Or when it hit all fours it did take steps,
it stridded like a dog.
Speaker 2: I think the reason why Walter wanted to know about
that is a lot of Sasquatch. All witnesses report seeing
them glide. It's not like they're taking steps. It's almost
like they're just gliding like a cross country skier or something.
Christy's got the next question for you. She wants to know,
did a make a sound?
Speaker 3: Never heard any sounds. I didn't hear it at a
hal or bark or growl or anything. And really it
didn't make any sounds when it was moving on the ground,
I couldn't. It was very very agile animal.
Speaker 2: I see. Well, this next question, I guess we haven't
really gone over this. You mentioned about the thickness of
the coat. You weren't all that sure that it had
a dense coat or anything. But Glenn Kamando wants to
know was it well groomed.
Speaker 1: I could tell it wasn't manged.
Speaker 3: It didn't have any missing patches of higher, very healthy
coat on it.
Speaker 2: That's one of the many funny things about these guys.
Some of them looked like they had just left a
beauty parlor, their furs perfect and perfect condition. But when
you make a living the way they do, sure it
makes you wonder how that could be.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: To be in the woods the entire time you see
bears missing patches of fur where they're rubbing trees and
scratching their back, or mange as you got into foxes
or coties around here and missing patches of higher out
of them or bald tails.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, and you're gonna have leaves and all that
other kind of stuff in your fur too, because you
lay down when sleep out there, and that's what's going
to happen. So yeah, it's just really hard to wrap
your mind around it, really is. This next question for
you is from d Truth, and D wants to know
has the encounter stopped you from going back, which you
said that it hasn't you still go back all the time.
He wants to know, if so, do you plan on
taking more than a twenty two, which you answered that
as well, so we can move on to the next question.
This next one is from Andres Carizalez. He wants to
know did you notice certain times of the year you
went hunting that the area was dead?
Speaker 1: I E.
Speaker 2: No game.
Speaker 3: Now, I've never been through here. It's it's pretty thick
with game through there. It's one of my favorite spots
to go. It's it's just like a haven for turkeys
and deer, so usually when I go back through there,
I'm finding turkey and deer. I found some dead animals
back through there, but not that it was dead and
didn't see any game well too.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many resources in those Virginia Mountains
that unless they spend a lot of time in one
particular area, you're not going to deplete the resources there.
So that would make sense, it would. Isaac Molett wants
to know can you express more on how you felt
realizing it wasn't a bear? Did you feel anything supernatural?
Would you like to see it again?
Speaker 3: When I seen it hit the ground and I seen
it had a tail on it, it blew my mind. I
was shocked at what I was saying. And really it
was just you know, going through my head, It's like, well,
what is this? And it's like why why was it
standing up? Just from going in your brain thinking that
you're seeing something else and then immediately realizing that you're
seeing something totally opposite of what you were playing to
look at it threw me off. As far as supernatural.
I didn't any kind of ghost vibes or other worldly
vibes from it. And yeah, I was talking to him,
I would like to see it again. I asked if
other people that had seen it had encountered it more
than once. And it was just a pleasant experience really,
to be able to encounter something like that and not
have a negative experience with it and be able to
talk to other people about it.
Speaker 2: Well, it goes without saying thank goodness it was a
positive experience for you, because yeah, it can be a
lot worse than that, definitely, And if you have another encounter,
I hope it's the same way I really do. This
next one is for Michigan meat eater, and he wants
to know a lot of people describe having the dogman,
that is, having too many teeth for their mouth. Did
this seem to be the case or No?
Speaker 3: No, it was very proportionate. Now, there was nothing that
seemed like there was too many of them. The main
thing I seen hanging out were the cane ends up
topping the canines on the bottom through the scope.
Speaker 2: Some dogmen have teeth like that where it seems like
their crowd didn't. There's not enough room in their mouth
for them. Other dogmen don't. So there's no rhyme nor
reason on that casey Rich thirteen wants to know where
the four legs, i e. The arms and paws hands
like a dog's or a human's.
Speaker 3: Where it had hit all fours and was walking across
this power line. I couldn't see its hands or palls.
I couldn't answer that question. It's four arms and hind
legs were very much of a dog, so they didn't
they didn't seem to be human like. But you know,
I guess they could totally change the game. If you
could see its hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would change the game. And I realized you're
looking at through a three by nine scope. But it
was a three by nine scope, and it was at
a greater range than two hundred yards, so you're only
going to be able to take in so many details.
I think you should be commended for all the details
you noticed about this thing, because most people wouldn't have.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I was trying to break it down
in my mind of what I was saying. I had
scope fixed on it and was watching it move and
I'm trying to, you know, come in my head as
like is this a.
Speaker 1: Dog or is this a wolf?
Speaker 3: H this is a very big dog or a very
big wolf, and we don't have wolves around here. We
have coyotes, and it was way larger than any of
the sixty seventy pound coyotes that you might come into
around here. And that's a large coyote. If it's seventy pounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a big one. That would where
you could do like this one guy I talked with
who told me had a two hundred pound Koi dog,
a pet Koi dog, a two hundred pounder. I thought
that was pretty funny, but anyway, that is crazy. This
next one is from al Siontigo. Al wants to know
if you noticed if it had one row or two
rows of teeth.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't notice like the other teeth questions. I
could really only notice the cane ians hanging down a
little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, I mean at that range, with
all the things going through your mind, I think you
should be really commended for all the details you did
notice because most people wouldn't have picked up on half
as many details as you did, so you did a
really good job. This next oh, you're welcome. This next
one up is from Guseppa wiccy i e. Goth farmer.
They want to know do you think it could win
a fight with a crocodile.
Speaker 3: I do not think it could win a fight with
a crocodile. I think a crocodile is a two ton
apex predator with the strongest bite force on the planet,
and I think it would probably drag it into the water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really a tough question to ask or to answer.
Speaker 1: Crocodiles are moms on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can be awfully big, but a big dog,
being a twelve footer could be the same weight or
maybe possibly more.
Speaker 3: I would pay all the money I had in my
pocket to find out.
Speaker 2: You would, so, if you had your druthers, you would
like to have an accounter with a twelve footer.
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying if I could see a dog might
hand fight a crocodile, that would probably I would give
all the money in my pocket to see that one.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see, I see what you're saying. Yeah, that
would be interesting to see it definitely would saying what
a question? Yeah, well, I think it ended a lot
quicker than what you would think with the power of
these things have, especially a big one. This next question
is from Beatrice Ward, and Beatrice wants to know if
it smiled.
Speaker 1: That had its mouth open. I wouldn't say that it
was smiling. It was more like a pant as it
was moving across the power line.
Speaker 2: All right, that answer is that. And then don huff
as a comment, it's not a question. She wants you
to know that she's very proud of your girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Well, I greatly appreciate that, thank.
Speaker 2: You, And she's right, Yeah, your girlfriend's definitely a keeper.
It looks like Larry Berlind has a next question. He
wants to know have you had any other encounters or
noticed anything weird?
Speaker 3: Now, unfortunately, I haven't had any other encounters than the one.
I haven't noticed anything weird, but I would like to.
I would like to have another encounter with it and
hopefully say this creature again.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, if you do have another encounter,
I hope it's one that's not going to be really frightening.
Hopefully it's a benign one.
Speaker 3: Right as Even as a hunter, like we were talking
about before, it's not even something that i'd want to hunt.
It's just something, you know, i'd like to see and
maybe get some more evidence of what I did see
and have supportive evidence of what I'm saying. Other than
and I'm greatly appreciative that everybody listening tell me, but
I would love to have had a picture to show
you all of it.
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, there are so many things that you
wish you could go back and do, do this, do that.
But now I think you handled everything really well. Like
I said, you should be commended. You really should. This
next question is from Stella and Stella wants to know
did you sense a telepathic connection to the dog men?
Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 3: Like I said, the only thing that was going through
my mind was shocked of what I was saying and
trying to comprehend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was shocked. As an understatement, I can only
imagine what must have been going through your mind at
the time.
Speaker 1: And there was a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: Oh I bet, yeah, that's natural. D Truth wants to know.
You mentioned that you have a little girl. Would you
not take her into the woods after this?
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 3: I'd advocate for anybody to go hunting and get outside
and and have your own adventures and hunts and stories
to tell.
Speaker 1: I would take her in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: Well, she's got a great tutor right there to teach
her everything that she would want to know about the woods,
So well, where could she want. But the next questions
from Stephen Toll and Stephen wants to know were the
arms longer than the legs?
Speaker 1: Now, it was pretty proportionate.
Speaker 3: It When it was standing upright, as far as I
could tell looking up the thing, it was almost like
bare arms like hung pretty much level with the waist.
Once the hands were down. It didn't raise its arms
up or pull its hands up to its face. When
it was rocking left and right, it had its arms
down by side.
Speaker 2: I see. Yeah, it's easy to think that all dogmen
have arms that are longer than their legs, but that's
not the keys. There are variants of kenine types, that is,
that have short little t rex arms that they hold
up in front of themselves, kind of bent up in
a strange way. So not all dogmen have freakishly long arms.
That's just not the keys. The next question is from
al Santo Riga and now wants to know. Was its
head too large for its body?
Speaker 3: Very proportionate? It was just a large animal. Nothing really
seemed bigger than anything else on it. It had a
large head, but it had a large body as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some dogmen have disproportionately large heads. Most don't, so
that fits the truth is next one up. He wants
to know did it look like any of the movie
wear wolves.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't manlike other than apart from standing on
its back legs. It was very matching details to a canine.
It looked hard like a canine. It had a longer snout.
Its snout was longer than most coyotes or wolves that
you see.
Speaker 2: I see, well, some do that, some don't, So there's
no rhyme nor reason to that either absolutely, And I
just erased a or unstart a really good question. I'll
see if I can't go back and find that one.
In the meantime, I've got another one for you from Jackie,
and she wants to know did you stay in your
still hunt position after you saw it?
Speaker 3: Like I was talking in the beginning, I actually wasn't
in a still hunting spot yet. I was scouting for
the turkeys when I seen it, and I was moving,
And after I seen it, I stayed there for a
while and tried to see if I could see it
or if it would come back in. But after that, no,
I didn't stay there. I went on and looked for
a bird.
Speaker 2: You've got a lot of sand, most people would have
packed up and headed out of there, never to be
seen again in those woods. So yeah, that's impressive that
you stayed. This next question is that's strange I started,
but it's there we go. It just popped up. Bell
wants to know have your friends ever experienced anything in
the woods like this.
Speaker 1: I have a friend that had a sasquatch encounter, but
I've never had a friend encounter of the dog man,
and a lot of the people I speak to have
never had any encounters like that from around here.
Speaker 2: The funny thing about that is, I bet you have
more friends and associates who've had encounters with these things
than you'd believe, but you don't know it because they
were afraid that you'd laugh at them or the usual things,
so they just kept it to themselves.
Speaker 3: Right absolutely, And that was a way, you know, I
was thinking too. It's like a lot of people would
probably be afraid to risk their credibility talking about something
that they seen that was abnormal. But I was hoping
maybe if I come on the show and being as
a recognized hunt from my area than I am, maybe
some other people might be able to come forward and
talk about an experience that they had.
Speaker 2: Well, that's admirable. You just might be right. Someone listening
to this might contact me for that reason. You never know.
The next question is, and this is a good question.
It's from Jeremiah Johnson, and Jeremiah wants to know do
the ears twitch or skin when you put the scope
and rifle on it?
Speaker 3: They were pretty still when I had the scope up
around its head. It didn't look like it was moving
its ears around. They were kind of pointing back, and
he was moving on out of the power line.
Speaker 2: Not to be the dead horse, but like I said,
you really deserve a lot of credit to notice all
these little details about it. When all this was playing out,
most people their brains would have gone to mush instantly.
The truth wants to know what would you have done
if it would have headed toward you?
Speaker 1: It had been a hard call. I guess, I.
Speaker 3: I guess if it would have come after me, it
wouldn't have been much I could have done other than
you know, you either got in the truck and left
or made a stand there. But it's hard to tell
what the twenty two magnum that are done. But I'm
sure I don't I really don't think that it wanted
anything to do with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it didn't. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't,
And yeah, in your case, it sounds like it definitely didn't.
The next questions from Ryan Scott, and Ryan wants to
know do you think it was a female or a meal?
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure. I couldn't. I couldn't
really tell. It wouldn't something I was looking forward through
the scout.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure. And with all that fur, it'd be
pretty hard to tell if it had indoor outdoor plumbing anyway.
Speaker 1: So it didn't have any it didn't have like female
breasts or anything, or you could tell it wasn't human.
Speaker 2: Like Yeah, Well, like I said, you should be commended
for all the details that you did notice about this thing.
So I think he did a really good job. The
next question is from Michigan Meat Eater and he wants
to know did he happen to go look for signs
slash tracks after the encounter?
Speaker 1: Now, I did not. I never went up there to
where I seen it at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's understandable. The next one on deck is from
Summarne zero seven and they want to know thank you
for sharing your experience with this in your opinion, though,
Where do you think dogmen originate from? And are you
still finding joy going into the woods.
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure where they might originate from.
I know that there's old, old stories of them, Indian
wives tales, and I know what was the first reported
case was in Wisconsin, wasn't.
Speaker 2: It Michigan, Wexford, Michigan, Michigan, eighteen seventy seven? Yeah, but
close to it, definitely close.
Speaker 1: There was loggers that had seen it, wasn't.
Speaker 2: It in eighteen seventy seven? Yeah, there was a little
girl who got well, it's alleged that she got nabbed
by one and she was with loggers at the time
in Wexford County there. So you're right, you are and.
Speaker 3: About going in the woods still, Yeah, I'm still very
passionate OUTDOORSMN.
Speaker 1: I love going outside.
Speaker 3: And uh, it wasn't something that would deter me or
make me tell anyone else not to go in the woods.
I believe everybody should do a little bit outdoors, and
as electronic as today is, it's good to get out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing like being in the woods. If more
people times, if more people spent time out there, the
world would be a better place. It really would. The
next questions from Red Edged Savage and they want to
know before you saw it, did you notice anything misty,
fog or shadows or other strange things.
Speaker 3: No, it was a clear day. It was in April
and Virginia. It was just a perfect hunting in Turkey morning.
There was no really clouds. It was about ten am.
Speaker 2: It was a normal morning until it showed up. The
next question is the last one I'm gonna post where
almost at the one hour mark. This one's from Isaac Molett,
and Isaac wants to know can you tell us more
of your acquaintance's stories of Bigfoot and how did you
feel when they spoke of Bigfoot or any other being
like bigfoot or dog men.
Speaker 3: Oh, they were very passionate when they told me a story.
I definitely believe their story. I'm sure they probably wouldn't
mind if I told her. They were camping and they
said they had large rocks started at them at a
camp and they don't really know what kind of throwing
the rocks other than that they didn't really see one or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure I don't need to tell you
that throwing rocks that's pretty typical for sasquatch when they
decide to mess with people. Thank goodness, they are so
accurate and very rarely do they ever hit us right.
Speaker 3: I've never had an experience with a sasquatch or seen
any tracks or found anything like that. The only abnormal
experience that I've seen is I encountered to dog man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you've got a lot of years ahead of you.
It's hard to say what the future holds. It really is,
but like I said, if you do have another encounter,
I hope it's another good one, but time will tell. Well,
before we get out of here, Aaron, do you have
any clothing comments you'd like to share?
Speaker 3: I really I'd like to thank you for having me
on the show and let me come on here and
share my story with everybody and just thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, you're welcome. It's been great having you
and people have encounters like you where the doll man
doesn't try to terrify them. It just moves on and
that's all there is to it. And a lot of
these eyewitnesses, I hear them say that their encounter isn't
fitting for coming on the show and sharing because it's
not frightening. All I care about is if it's an
honest experience, if it actually happened, If the person's being
truthful about having the experience, that's all that matters. Couldn't
care less if it is a frightening one or one
that's about as benign as they can be. So if
you've had an encounter that you don't think is frightening
enough to qualify for coming on the show, yeah, please
don't think that way, because that's just not the case
at all. It really isn't. But having said that, Aaron,
I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing
the details of that experience with this I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: And like I said, thank you very much. Thank you
for allowing men to come on here and tell my
story and talk about where I'm from and just basically
what went on for me day hunting.
Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome, glad to give you a
platform to do it. So thanks again for coming on.
But having said that, yeah, thanks again so much for
your time and have a great night. Well that's another
one wrapped. Before I go, I just want to remind
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listening everyone. I really do appreciate it and hope you
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