1
00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,679
Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend that may very well have

2
00:00:06,839 --> 00:00:10,160
seen the upset of the year, if not a knockout

3
00:00:10,199 --> 00:00:14,119
of the year as well, with the same punch in Tijuana, Mexico.

4
00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:16,359
And we know we only got a couple more weekends

5
00:00:16,399 --> 00:00:18,879
left to determine what happened. We're ready to talk about

6
00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,000
that upset of heimimong Dia. We're ready to talk about

7
00:00:22,519 --> 00:00:26,039
fights in Monte Carlo in Ontario, California, and well beyond.

8
00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:28,359
It is the Fight Freaks You Night recap podcast. I

9
00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,679
am the somewhat capable host TJ. Reeves. He is our insider,

10
00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,200
Dan Rayfield, Fight Freak You Night, the substack in the newsletter,

11
00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,240
my friend. Good to be with you again. They need

12
00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:38,880
to be on your newsletter. They need to be following

13
00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:44,039
subscribing this recap podcast right here through Applespreaker, Spotify, and

14
00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,679
full disclosure. We're making this work on a Sunday. I'm

15
00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:49,840
in Los Angeles where my Buccaneers are playing the Chargers tonight,

16
00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,200
this afternoon and tonight, so we're making the pod work.

17
00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,840
But we were not gonna not be here after some

18
00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,479
of these fights this weekend. Big Dan, how are you?

19
00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,280
We're ready to get rolling didj.

20
00:00:58,359 --> 00:01:00,320
Speaker 2: I'm okay, except I'm disappointed that we're doing this out

21
00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,920
of the normal schedule in terms of the timing to

22
00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,799
accommodate your your football team, because it means that we

23
00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,799
will not bring the peeps the very involved, very in

24
00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,959
depth recap of one Dyllian White's fight Andrew Balter.

25
00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's something that we were just going to

26
00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,239
have to live without. They'll have to be on your

27
00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,599
sub stack, they will have to be on your social

28
00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:18,840
media and we will make it work.

29
00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:19,159
Speaker 2: All right.

30
00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm coming straight to you. We didn't know a lot

31
00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:26,599
about this Bruno Serrace guy with or Sorase from France.

32
00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,640
We know about him now after the knockout of Haimimongia.

33
00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,560
My lord, I'm coming straight to you. Is that the

34
00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,400
knockout of the year. Is that the upset of the year?

35
00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,560
Speaker 2: You know? I don't. I don't think it's a knockout

36
00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:40,239
of the year. I mean, but it's definitely the upset

37
00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:42,439
of the year because there's been prettier knockouts. But in

38
00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:44,040
terms of the upset of the year, this was a

39
00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:46,159
guy that on the betting line, we talked about on

40
00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:47,920
the bet Us Show who's like a fifty to one

41
00:01:47,959 --> 00:01:50,920
dog in this fight, a guy with zero accomplishment, a

42
00:01:50,959 --> 00:01:52,799
guy that had been in the ring with absolutely nobody

43
00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,239
to speaking. Yea, he had a great record, fair enough, but

44
00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,760
his opponents, I mean I went through his record and

45
00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,760
I was looking in terms of and is there all

46
00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:02,280
fights like in the last like two three years, he

47
00:02:02,319 --> 00:02:04,920
fought guys with records of five twenty three and two

48
00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:09,400
eleven and twenty two, eight ten and four, fifteen thirty

49
00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,879
nine and three, sixteen, thirty six and six. I think

50
00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:15,039
you get the point. This was a guy that was

51
00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,520
built on nothing. And he was also, by the way,

52
00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,120
not only had he fought absolutely nobody, had never fought

53
00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,159
outside of France, and had no accomplishment at all, had

54
00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,680
four knockouts in twenty seven previous professional bouts, and was

55
00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:33,000
going from middleweight up to super middleweight. So every single

56
00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,919
possible metric that you could use to determine if the

57
00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,960
guy is legit or not was against his chances of

58
00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,039
scoring a win, much less a devastating knockout. And then

59
00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:46,479
the fight started and a Mangia knocked him down early,

60
00:02:47,199 --> 00:02:49,400
and he was winning every single round of the fight,

61
00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:52,960
and look Sarachi, he looked looked good. He looked like

62
00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,639
he was hanging in there. He had some quickness to him.

63
00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,400
He was there to fight. He tipped the hat out

64
00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,120
the world that he said going into the fight to

65
00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,280
change his life, in his family's life. That's why he

66
00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:03,159
went to the other guy's hometown to have the big

67
00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:05,400
fight of his career. And he was still losing a fight,

68
00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:07,159
by the way, And now all of a sudden, round

69
00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,319
six rolls around and Monkey has never been the most

70
00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,599
defensively responsible fighter in the history of the world, but

71
00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,479
he has always shown a good chin. The only time

72
00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:18,759
he ever got knocked down before this knockout in a

73
00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,080
long career that had spanned some forty six fights and

74
00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,919
more than a decade, and he just let his hands

75
00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,039
dangle in front of him. Chain a wide open, you know,

76
00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,800
a wide, wide open, and the guy landed the picture

77
00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:36,479
perfect home run ball, you know, one in a lifetime

78
00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,960
half court shot a bank off the backboard, right hand

79
00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,360
on the fucking chin, and he went down and he

80
00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,560
struggled to get up. He got to the all fours

81
00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:48,800
and just got counted out. Could not beat the count.

82
00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,719
End the story. It was a massive, massive, massive upset.

83
00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,919
I mean, I was sitting in my office watching it

84
00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,120
on ESPN plus shot that I'm listening to Christina Poncher

85
00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:02,120
and Chris Algery were doing the commentary for ESPN. They're

86
00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,639
They're like, oh my god, I can't believe it. I

87
00:04:04,639 --> 00:04:08,960
mean it. It's a shocking upset fact that Albert is

88
00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,479
the only other fighter that ever knocked Unia down that

89
00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,479
was back in May in their fight, which was only

90
00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,439
other previous loss until this knockout, and so that was

91
00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,600
quite the scene. It also, by the way, Lens creedens

92
00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:20,160
that when we said I said this at the time

93
00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:22,959
when you saw Canelo drop Mungia and then he let

94
00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,279
him basically survive the twelve rounds, we discussed the fact

95
00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,439
that it was my opinion and that of others that

96
00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:31,560
Canelo carried him to the finish line because he didn't

97
00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,920
want to bris' Mexican countryman once he had him under control.

98
00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:38,439
I think it's pretty clear that if Canelo really wanted

99
00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,959
to do the damage, he probably couldn't knocked him out

100
00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:42,759
based on what we saw in this particular fight. But

101
00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,199
that's not what's important. What's important is Haimi Mungie's career,

102
00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,319
which had a lot of big plans new promotion hometown

103
00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,800
fight first time in two years, Big crowded this outdoor stadium,

104
00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,519
making plans for an interim title fight against and Billly.

105
00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,319
Speaker 1: So obviously, the next question becomes with this knockout, he

106
00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:04,839
now has obviously bolstered himself. But what does this do?

107
00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,120
From mcgea, Dan, I mean, what does this mean?

108
00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:10,120
Speaker 2: I mean it means you got to clean yourself up.

109
00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,959
I mean it's a devastating loss. You can't you can't

110
00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,560
just like sweep it under the rug. It happened. It's

111
00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,519
not like his career is over or anything like that,

112
00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,560
but he takes a huge hit. It's one thing to

113
00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:23,439
lose to Canelo Alvarez in a big fight on a

114
00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:27,160
big stage, to the number one guy in the division,

115
00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:29,720
that the unified champion, a superstar in the sport, that

116
00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,480
he actually had his stock and his like the credit

117
00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,360
people gave him kind of increased off that loss. This

118
00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:38,560
is the complete opposite. This is a disaster because he

119
00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,439
didn't just you know, if you lose to like if

120
00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,360
he had lost, come and Billy, Let's say he lost

121
00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,800
to you know another good super middleweight, like he lost

122
00:05:44,879 --> 00:05:47,600
like Caleb Plant or you know another good fighter in

123
00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:50,920
the division. You know that happens fine. Brunos Tarrasse was

124
00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,959
a guy that was as obscure and unknown as manufacturer

125
00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,560
record as you could ever possibly fathom. I cited you

126
00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:01,600
the chap converse on the records of the guys that

127
00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:04,079
he had faced and the lack of competition. And also

128
00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:06,399
this was like those a lot of the fights of

129
00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:08,399
the records of the guys he had beaten. I mentioned you,

130
00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,879
they were in fights that were six rounds and eight rounds.

131
00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:13,240
This was not even a guy that's been you know,

132
00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,439
in regular I think this was maybe a second ten

133
00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:17,319
round fight. He's never been in a twelve round fight.

134
00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:20,720
I mean, I can't even impress upon you enough that

135
00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:25,240
the how bad this is for the prospects of himimongy,

136
00:06:25,399 --> 00:06:26,759
but you can you can turn it around. I mean,

137
00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,000
he's still a younger guy. I wonder how he's going

138
00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:32,319
to recover more mentally than physically from this type of fight.

139
00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,720
He is only still twenty eight years old. But again,

140
00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,160
this is a rough, rough loss, and you know he's

141
00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,120
gonna have to you know, he's gonna have some hard

142
00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,800
moments over the next you know, hours and days and

143
00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,199
weeks based on what happened.

144
00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,600
Speaker 1: I know Oscar de la Hoya, who's no longer promoting him,

145
00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,480
it appears, got a good laugh probably of what happened.

146
00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,959
Unfortunately not his fighter anymore. All right, So quickly in

147
00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,639
the recap mode on the undercard, I know you mentioned

148
00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:00,480
about Alan David Picasso and he had a last minute opponent,

149
00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,639
like night before the fight or day of the fight.

150
00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:05,800
But the real thing here is he's a possible opponent

151
00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,439
for Naoya in a way, who we're gonna be talking

152
00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:09,360
about more here a little bit. What about Picasso? He

153
00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:11,800
got his knockout, I guess stay busy, right, yeah, and.

154
00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:13,920
Speaker 2: That's all that was. He scored a third round knockout

155
00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:16,199
against a guy like you mentioned it took the fight

156
00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:18,759
the day before the fight, Jason Queo. This is a

157
00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:21,079
junior featherweight fighter. And the reason why it's even remotely

158
00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,319
notable other than it was the co feature on this card,

159
00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,160
is because going into the fight, it is an open

160
00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:29,759
secret that when Anoi in a way has the plans

161
00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:32,000
to come and do a fight at the MGM Grand

162
00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:35,040
Or Team Mobile in Las Vegas with top rank calmed

163
00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,839
April ish, that the opponent that was on the short

164
00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:42,079
list was Alan David Picasso, who was Wizzan for Promotions,

165
00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,920
which is a company that Top Rank does a ton

166
00:07:43,959 --> 00:07:46,399
of business with. And obviously they worked together on Mangia

167
00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:48,319
and they've worked together on many fighters in the past,

168
00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,600
most famously Eric Morales for many, many years. So Picasso

169
00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:53,759
was in that sort of tune up mode and he

170
00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,000
took care of his business with a third round knockout.

171
00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,279
Speaker 1: All right, again, that was the show in Tijuana. Let's

172
00:07:59,319 --> 00:08:02,319
move earlier in the day in Montic Carlow. We were

173
00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,480
wondering about Mura John or mj Akmadaliev in this interim

174
00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,759
junior featherweight title fight, how he would look full disclosure.

175
00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,920
You and I on the bet Us show thought this

176
00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,959
would be a distance fight. He made sure it was

177
00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,879
not a distance fight. He scored a third round knockout. Impressive, obviously,

178
00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,800
tell me more about what you saw and what that

179
00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:21,439
means for him.

180
00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:24,160
Speaker 2: Listen, mj is a good fighter. There's no doubt. He's

181
00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,199
a former unified champion. He obviously suffered a very controversial

182
00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:31,959
split decision loss again tomorrow and the Palace back in

183
00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,279
April of twenty twenty three. That was a fight that

184
00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,679
cost him his belts obviously with the Paulis that then

185
00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,159
went on and got a chance to fight in a

186
00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,120
way in the undisputed fight, so that would have been

187
00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,480
on MJ's position. He came back in December of twenty

188
00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:49,440
twenty three, he got a victory, He became the mandatory

189
00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:51,960
challenger in the WBA. That fight is due. He was

190
00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,840
denied the fight against Ina on multiple occasions. Who went

191
00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:58,480
and fought Delheny got the exception and then basically, as

192
00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:01,480
we've discussed, ignored the order and went and fought the

193
00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,120
fight that he had most recently in a way that is,

194
00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,600
and so that was the position that he should have

195
00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:09,639
been in it. You know, this fight against you know,

196
00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,039
not he didn't fight the fight, but the fight that

197
00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,399
he has scheduled against Sam Goodman, who's a mandatory in

198
00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:17,600
two other organizations. That's fine, but the wawba's mandatory was

199
00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,919
the next in line, and they basically ignored that, and

200
00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:21,720
you know, more or less to soothe it over, they

201
00:09:21,759 --> 00:09:23,519
were like, all right, you know, stand down and you

202
00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:26,519
can fight Ricardo Espinosa for the interim title and he'll

203
00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,519
be stilled the in mandatory obviously, so that's what he did.

204
00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:31,919
He fought Ricardo Espinosa on the Monte Carlo card that

205
00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,320
Matrian put on, and he looked really good in the fight.

206
00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,200
I mean, he's an excellent fighter. He had a you know,

207
00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,120
he's a bronze medal winner from the Olympics back in

208
00:09:38,159 --> 00:09:40,840
twenty sixteen. Hasn't been the most active by in the world.

209
00:09:40,879 --> 00:09:42,279
I'd like to see him fight a little more often.

210
00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,080
This is its first fight in basically one year to

211
00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:48,440
the day. This fight was on December fourteenth. This previous

212
00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,519
fight against Gonzales that I mentioned that was on December

213
00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,879
sixteenth of last year. So he comes back in the

214
00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,080
ring after a year layoff. But again he looked sharp.

215
00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,080
You know, first couple of rounds were kind of slow

216
00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,279
and even, and you know he can just see like

217
00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,039
the rust of is shedding off of him. And then

218
00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,600
comes the third round and you know, he goes to

219
00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:08,080
town in Espinoza. He scores the two knockdowns, gets the knockout. Now,

220
00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,960
the thing about it is Espinosa maybe not a great fighter,

221
00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,720
but he's not He's not disgraced himself. I mean when

222
00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,799
he's lost fights, they've been against in the two recent

223
00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,600
losses or more recent I should say, against pretty decent

224
00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,879
opponents and the only time he got stopped was in

225
00:10:21,879 --> 00:10:25,039
the twelfth round against John Real Kasmara, who's a three

226
00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,279
you know, three division title holder, and by no means

227
00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:30,759
would be considered like any kind of bum. That's you know,

228
00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:32,840
you go twelve rounds with the guy, you get stopped.

229
00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,519
I mean, shit happens. There's nothing wrong with that. And

230
00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,000
then the other loss that he took was a ten

231
00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,000
round decision loss to Daniel Roman, who was a former

232
00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,440
unified champion in one hundred and twenty two pounds. That

233
00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,000
was back in two thousand and twenty one. The Kasmari

234
00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:46,919
fight was twenty nineteen. Point I'm making is when he

235
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,200
lost those fights against the top guys, he was competitive

236
00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:52,039
and he and he and he was able to hang

237
00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:54,399
in there with those guys, right, that's not the case

238
00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:56,960
against MJ. So MJ gets a knockout and then, you know,

239
00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,679
more so than the fight, and we'll get to this.

240
00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,279
It wasn't so much okay, you did the win, you

241
00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,720
got the you got what you needed. It was all

242
00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:05,799
about They spent all the time in the post fight

243
00:11:05,919 --> 00:11:08,440
not discussing what he did to Espinosa because it was

244
00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,360
you know what it was it was more about, okay,

245
00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,320
come on in a way, let's get it on. You know,

246
00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:14,080
I'm next up, but you're not fighting me in the

247
00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,559
w B A you know, needs to enforce the mandatory

248
00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,399
which they had already twice ordered. Instead in a way,

249
00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,080
you know, wound up getting an exception. As I mentioned,

250
00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,960
uh and and then in this particular next rotation, which

251
00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:28,480
is supposed to be the fight against uh that you

252
00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:32,799
know that's coming up against Goodman, that that would that

253
00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,320
should have been Acmadealia's spot didn't happen. So they're they're

254
00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,799
pressing the issue. And you know Eddie Hearn, who's you know,

255
00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:40,519
goes on a pretty good rant once in a while

256
00:11:40,519 --> 00:11:43,080
after fights. This was one of his classic grants where

257
00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,559
he basically just went crazy about fighting in a way.

258
00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,480
I mean you could you could watch the video. I mean,

259
00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:49,960
but he basically you know, went off. He's like, you know,

260
00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,360
he made the point. Also, I'll bet the house that

261
00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,159
that in a way never fights Achmedhalia, which would be

262
00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,679
disappointing because here's the thing. You want to tell me, Okay,

263
00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,600
he lost it the place. You want to tell me

264
00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,960
that he's been inactive. Okay, that's all fine. And it's

265
00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,120
not even untrue. You wanted tell me he's gonna fight

266
00:12:04,159 --> 00:12:06,200
Goodman in the mandatory first, so be it no problem.

267
00:12:06,519 --> 00:12:08,679
But the fight that happens in April, if in a

268
00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,960
way continues to win in Las Vegas, should be akmadaiev

269
00:12:12,159 --> 00:12:14,480
because you can look down any set of rankings at

270
00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,360
one hundred and twenty two pounds, whether there are rankings

271
00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:18,960
I do, or the Ring magazine or box Wreck or

272
00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,799
the or any of the organizations, whatever your choice, is

273
00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,200
the best guy in one hundred and twenty two pound

274
00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,039
way class that he has not fought yet, that is

275
00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,279
most deserving of the title shot. Who is the mandatory?

276
00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,879
He now has the interim delta. He won for that

277
00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,759
what that's worth? In this fight that he had on

278
00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:37,840
Saturday against Espinoza, the best guy, the only guy is

279
00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,679
is MJ. That's the end of the story. I mean,

280
00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:42,120
I don't want to hear excuses and nonsense. He's the

281
00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,759
best guy at won twenty two and in a way,

282
00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,440
and I'm not saying in a way's ducking him. But

283
00:12:47,519 --> 00:12:49,519
it feels like, as Eddie said, I happen to agree

284
00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:51,080
with him. It feels like that in a way, team

285
00:12:51,159 --> 00:12:53,480
is ducking him. You know, they want to fight Picasso

286
00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:58,120
instead of MJ. A Picasso good fighter, has zero accomplishment

287
00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:01,039
relative to MJ. Give me a break, ring. I agree.

288
00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:02,440
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can get the better fights. And

289
00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:03,600
in a way, and then, like you said, in a

290
00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:05,679
way is not shied away from the better fights, all right.

291
00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:09,159
Quickly recapped the Monte Carlo undercard on his own that

292
00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:12,480
included Taromona. Taromona, who you've been telling us about the

293
00:13:12,519 --> 00:13:15,600
heavyweight and what else from this undercard as we move along, all.

294
00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,240
Speaker 2: Right, So I'll open it up. Tarramona was in the

295
00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,399
in the opening fight. This is the Australian twenty twenty

296
00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,759
four Olympian who lost to jaw Low, who was the

297
00:13:23,759 --> 00:13:26,360
two time gold medal winner in the in the quarterfinals.

298
00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,759
So if he got a better draw in the in

299
00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:30,519
the blind draw of the tournament, I feel like he

300
00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,039
absolute would have made it to the final. Nonetheless, he

301
00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,720
already had four professional fights. He then took the break,

302
00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,919
went the Olympics, signed with Mattroms. So this was like

303
00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:40,039
his second pro debut, pro debut, if you will, the

304
00:13:40,039 --> 00:13:43,039
first fight with matching, big audience, you know, big card

305
00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,240
or whatever, and anyway, he looked great. He knocked out

306
00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,240
a five in one Ukrainian fighter named Vladimir cap That suck.

307
00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:53,320
And he's a He's a big man, he's got good power.

308
00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,399
He had a diverse arsenal. I saw him throw body shots, rights, lefts.

309
00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,519
I mean, he did a lot of nice mixing up

310
00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:01,799
of his punch, a couple of uppercuts in there. But

311
00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,639
so so, he definitely can fight. I've talked to other

312
00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:07,879
boxing people. I know some different managers and promoters in

313
00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:10,360
this sport that tried to sign him and we're not

314
00:14:10,519 --> 00:14:12,879
able to match him. Got him, and they're all high

315
00:14:12,919 --> 00:14:15,399
on him. But here's the thing putting his talent aside,

316
00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,360
which you know, as a heavyweight, and he's not he's

317
00:14:17,799 --> 00:14:20,000
you know, he's twenty six years old, so he's not young.

318
00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:22,679
But heavyweights, you know, they get into their prime a

319
00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,559
little bit later on. He'll be back, by the way

320
00:14:25,159 --> 00:14:28,360
Teremona on January eighth, on the undercard of the upcoming

321
00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,759
Jai Opataiah cruiserweight title defense. But the thing about him

322
00:14:31,799 --> 00:14:36,200
is talent fine. He definitely got marketability. He definitely has

323
00:14:36,559 --> 00:14:39,519
a fan friendly sort of personality and a f fighting style.

324
00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:41,279
He's got a lot of enthusiasm. He's like, I just

325
00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:42,759
want to get in there and punch your face out.

326
00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,440
I mean, he's going to be a lot of fun

327
00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,279
to follow the journey.

328
00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:48,240
Speaker 1: Put it like that, all right, and what else from

329
00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,120
the other and then okay, Yeah.

330
00:14:51,159 --> 00:14:53,080
Speaker 2: So then the other fights, he had max He Hughes,

331
00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,240
who was a lightweight that had taken some losses and

332
00:14:56,559 --> 00:14:57,879
you know, seemed to be sort of at the end

333
00:14:57,919 --> 00:15:00,080
of his career. He was matched up with the the

334
00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:03,879
prospect that Gary Cully trying to rehab sort of from

335
00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:07,279
a devastating upset loss a couple of fights ago, and

336
00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:10,279
he didn't show up, and Maxi Hughes fought his ass

337
00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:12,720
off and won a ten round decision in a shutout.

338
00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,799
So he's reborn. He'll get another significant fight out of that.

339
00:15:15,879 --> 00:15:18,480
Remember Maxi had the fight against Cambosis. A lot of

340
00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,039
people thought that he got robbed in that fight, et cetera.

341
00:15:21,559 --> 00:15:25,039
But Gary Cully was a massive disappointment and Maxi Hughes

342
00:15:25,039 --> 00:15:27,000
moves on. And then there was another fight on the undercard,

343
00:15:27,159 --> 00:15:30,279
the one women's world title fight. You had Beatrice Ferrara,

344
00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,399
the two time olympian who had got a medal back

345
00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,039
in not the twenty twenty twenty twenty four Paris Games,

346
00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,480
but in the twenty twenty Games. But she she'd made

347
00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,639
her first lightweight title defense and just want to shut

348
00:15:42,679 --> 00:15:46,320
out every single round against Lucia Medersa. And then you

349
00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,279
had what was the fight of the night in my mind,

350
00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,200
one hundred percent, this was for the vacant European who'sier

351
00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,440
white title. Yeah, the British fighter chev Clark, who was

352
00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,159
undefeated with a lot of high hopes against a French

353
00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:59,559
fighter named Leny Leonardo Musquaya. And it was an action

354
00:15:59,679 --> 00:16:02,600
pack just to punch out, you know, just a tremendous

355
00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,759
action battle. Chef Clark got knocked down in the first round,

356
00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,039
but it was Masco who went on and won a

357
00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,080
split decision in a really, really excellent fight. And you know,

358
00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,840
Jeff Clark maye have got the loss, but he's got

359
00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:15,600
nothing to be ashamed of. This was a hell of

360
00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:17,600
a fight and I'd love to see both of them

361
00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:20,039
back in action against other good cruiser wits. And that

362
00:16:20,159 --> 00:16:21,679
was your undercard, and then they moved on to the

363
00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,759
acmadalia of main event.

364
00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,639
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff on the Mattrium de Zone show.

365
00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:28,240
All right, so speaking to the zone, we now skipped

366
00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:32,519
back to the Golden Boy main event Saturday night in Ontario, California,

367
00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:37,279
and man, this was a very competitive, compelling welterweight showdown

368
00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:40,639
Alexis Rocha and Raoul Curriel. They laid it on the line,

369
00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:44,039
a lot of brawling, a lot of drama, and unfortunately

370
00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,080
Rayfield no winner. It ends up being a majority draw.

371
00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,919
What were your thoughts on that one? It truly could

372
00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:51,480
have gone either way. I mean, I saw you tweeting

373
00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:53,600
about it that you had it close, and it ends

374
00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:55,759
up being a majority draw. Two of the cards.

375
00:16:56,519 --> 00:17:00,000
Speaker 2: He listen, sometimes there are draws. I mean the power

376
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,480
hour is it being boxing made it more difficult on

377
00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:04,920
themselves when they reduced the fights from fifteen rounds to

378
00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,799
twelve rounds. It would have been better probably if they

379
00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:09,480
had made them thirteen rounds or eleven rounds, so there

380
00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,359
wuld be an odd number of rounds, which would reduce

381
00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,240
the number of draws obviously, but in the case of

382
00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:16,759
a twelve round world we live in, a draw is

383
00:17:16,759 --> 00:17:18,920
a draw, and this was the fight that if you

384
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,920
watched it, it felt like a draw. There was every

385
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,000
round basically was a close round. One judge did have

386
00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:26,839
a one sixteen to one twelve, which I have no

387
00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:28,920
problem with because there were so many close rounds that

388
00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:30,319
if you're going to swing a little bit here, a

389
00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,359
little bit there, that's going to happen. And the other

390
00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,240
two judges had it one fourteen to one fourteen, which

391
00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,799
obviously six rounds to six. I have no problem with

392
00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:42,440
the draw. The two fighters, Roach and Raoul Kurryell, neither

393
00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,400
one of them seemed to be too upset about it.

394
00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:47,000
They put on a tremendous fight. I didn't think it

395
00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,319
was at the same level maybe that the commentators were

396
00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,480
making it out to be. It was a good fight.

397
00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:52,960
Don't get me wrong. It is not the fight of

398
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,960
the year. It did not have the kind of drama

399
00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:57,000
that the fights of the year typically have. It did

400
00:17:57,039 --> 00:18:00,000
not have knockdowns, it did not have, you know, massive state.

401
00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:02,839
It's just a really good, hard nose fight. All credit

402
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,079
to both of these guys. For Creel, he's the Mexican

403
00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,000
Olympian who stayed undefeated, who was really taking this first

404
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,480
step up against the top opponent. He was an Olympian

405
00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,599
back in twenty sixteen. He's had a little bit of

406
00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:16,599
a slower start to his career, but he's a talented fighter,

407
00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,200
and this was the first sort of name guy that

408
00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:21,920
he was facing in terms of ROACHA. He's had some

409
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,440
bigger names on his record, but this was another typical

410
00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:27,799
roach of fight where it's back and forth, and you know,

411
00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:29,720
they just basically would be like, I'm gonna break you

412
00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:30,480
and then punch me.

413
00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:34,200
Speaker 1: Great ten round, great ten round, and then the twelfth

414
00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:36,480
round dramatic too. The only thing I'm curious about, if

415
00:18:36,519 --> 00:18:39,119
you know, to pull it to the even on both

416
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,200
the cards, did they split on one giving roach of

417
00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,559
the final round one Mariel, because I'd be curious about that.

418
00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,079
Did one or both of them have either of the

419
00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:51,279
fighters winning going in the final round. I haven't seen

420
00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:52,240
that as of yet.

421
00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:54,079
Speaker 2: Because I don't have the carriage in front of me

422
00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:54,359
right now.

423
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,000
Speaker 1: So they don't have any answer in six six though.

424
00:18:57,039 --> 00:18:59,039
So we'll get the replay, we'll get the we'll maybe

425
00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:00,960
get a rematch on the fight and then settle it

426
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:01,279
that way.

427
00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,240
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be a maybe a rematch.

428
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,559
I think it's going to be a rematch. But which

429
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,759
I said, let's do it next, let's uh, you know,

430
00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:09,759
let's run this back immediately. Both fighters were in agreement

431
00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:12,839
with that, and it's entirely possible, and I think that

432
00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,240
it makes a lot of sense. I did have the

433
00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:16,680
occasion after the fight on the telephone to speak to

434
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,880
Frank Espinosa, was Robl Kuriel's manager, and obviously they're they're

435
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,480
in favor of doing the rematch. And I mean, if

436
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,599
the managements in favor of it and the fighters are

437
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,240
in favor of it, you don't have to worry about

438
00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:29,599
sanctioning body nonsense. And certainly I can't imagine dez Owne,

439
00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:31,519
who buys these fights from Golden Boy, would have any

440
00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:33,839
problem with a rematch. So let them take their break,

441
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,440
let them rest up, enjoy the holidays, and you know,

442
00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:39,519
maybe sometime in the you know, the late winter, early spring,

443
00:19:39,559 --> 00:19:42,119
we'll see this this fight again. It was a worthy

444
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,319
fight for a rematch, and you know, the winner of

445
00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:45,960
that rematch is still going to be in business in

446
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,079
the Welterway Division. And frankly off the way we saw

447
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,359
on Saturday, even if they didn't have a rematch, the

448
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,319
fact there was a draw keeps both them in a

449
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,079
good position because it was that good of a fight

450
00:19:54,079 --> 00:19:57,240
in both them, you know, you know, should be proud

451
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,000
of their efforts. They had a hell of a fight.

452
00:19:59,599 --> 00:20:01,799
Speaker 1: All right, love it. Great action on that one, and

453
00:20:01,839 --> 00:20:04,000
we'll probably see it again, as you mentioned. Okay, some

454
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,480
news and then some nostalgia to wrap it up. And

455
00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:09,519
the news is significant. We were talking leading into the

456
00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:12,519
weekend about Naoia in a way and who he might

457
00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:15,000
possibly be fighting down the road, and now Sam Goodman,

458
00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,680
the Australian is cut in training. This news was breaking

459
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,319
what Friday night into Saturday, and they have now had

460
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,160
to reschedule this fight. Dan fill in the blanks on

461
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,279
what's going on here.

462
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,599
Speaker 2: All right. So Sam Goodman is from Australia. So he

463
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,000
was sparring his final sparring session in Australia before they

464
00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:35,839
were going to break the camp and fly to Tokyo

465
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,759
for the fight, which was on schedule for December twenty fourth,

466
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,799
Christmas Eve. And so in that sparring session, which took

467
00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:46,240
place Saturday morning Australia time, Friday night here in the

468
00:20:46,319 --> 00:20:49,160
United States, he saw for a cut over his left eye.

469
00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:51,319
There's a photo that was posted on this on their

470
00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:55,079
Team Goodman social media. He made a video on social

471
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,559
media a sort of talking about it he got clipped

472
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,119
underneath the headguard and he got cut over the left eye,

473
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,759
like it was sort of under the left eyebrow, above

474
00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:06,319
the left eyelid. It wasn't a bad spot, wasn't a

475
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,559
very huge cut, but it was certainly a wound, and

476
00:21:08,839 --> 00:21:10,160
you know, it was open and there was blood. And

477
00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:15,079
you know, if that cut it happened three four weeks ago,

478
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,880
we probably wouldn't have ever known about it, But the

479
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,920
fact that it happened with the fight literally a week

480
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,720
away or thereabouts ten days away, made it very impossible

481
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,039
for the fight to actually take place. So they were

482
00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:29,119
forced to pull out of the fight. So there was

483
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,960
a fluid situation for a little while, and I was

484
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000
in contact with the Top Rank people because obviously they're

485
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,519
the co promoters of inn Away. There was a discussion,

486
00:21:35,599 --> 00:21:38,200
you know, they were trying to decide do we find

487
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,720
another opponent and keep the show on December twenty fourth.

488
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,240
Obviously the Goodman camp they were pushing for the fight

489
00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:45,680
to just take a short delay, and so they had

490
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,200
to go back and forth. Ultimately, what was decided is

491
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,000
the fight would be postponed. It'll be rescheduled for January

492
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,880
twenty fourth, same location in Tokyo, same undercard. Everything will

493
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,400
just move from December twenty fourth to January twenty fourth,

494
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,680
so the fight is still on. And the question that

495
00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:02,960
I have about that is that if the plan was

496
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,480
for in a way to have the fight with Goodman,

497
00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:06,640
and this is all based on the assumption that in

498
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,799
a way would be the winner, their plan, like I

499
00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:10,720
mentioned earlier in the show, is that they're coming to

500
00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:13,200
the United States for a fight in April. But the

501
00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:15,880
question is if he fights in late January, is is

502
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,160
it enough turnaround time for in a way to be

503
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,680
prepared and train and travel to do a fight in April,

504
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,000
or whether they have to push that fight off into

505
00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:24,839
the later into the spring. That remains to be seen.

506
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,720
And then of course if he comes to the United States,

507
00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:28,200
it's gonna be the whole thing about who was the

508
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,160
opponent Picasso we talked about. I didn't mention to one

509
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,319
factor that when in the wake of Akmadaliav's victory and

510
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,519
the postpone of in a way, the lawyer for Akmadaliev

511
00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:42,599
and I've seen a copy of this letter, they've sent

512
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,519
another letter to GILBERTA. Mondoza from the WBA, basically saying

513
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,799
let him go and do his other mandatories as as

514
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:54,640
they're going to do with Goodman. But please let this

515
00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:58,599
letter serve as notice that you need to enforce the rematch.

516
00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:02,119
I not have to rematch rather but theory between Acmadalian

517
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,000
in a way, uh and making the point that we

518
00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:05,839
have shown a lot of patience on this matter, more

519
00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:08,599
than we should, et cetera. But assuming that the Goodman

520
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,119
fight actually takes place, that uh, that the next bout

521
00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:15,759
that we want the WBA to confirm and follow its

522
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:18,319
rules that he should be compelled and ordered that that

523
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,279
April or Spring fight should be the mandatory against Acmadalia.

524
00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:23,839
And we'll see if the WBA follows through on that,

525
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,599
and that would make the possible business kind of irrelevant.

526
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,400
But the point is, uh, fights get get postponed. This

527
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,839
did not seem like that damaging of a cut, but

528
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,880
enough where you can't be ready in ten days. And uh,

529
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,680
you know, I felt bad for Goodman. I mean, it's

530
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,279
it's one thing if the fight gets postponed and there's

531
00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:42,880
an injury. It's a totally different game when you're literally

532
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,799
like your last fucking sparring session and that happens. I mean,

533
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,160
we saw I've seen that happen before. It's uh, it's

534
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,079
really unfortunate. And uh, you know, all things considered, no

535
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,920
big deal. They just moved the fight one month and uh, everybody,

536
00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:55,839
uh you know, takes a little break and then gets

537
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,119
back and keeps themselves together and we get a fight

538
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,119
and then uh we'll see what happens and again, and

539
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,400
if an Away wins, hopefully acmcdali will get the opportunity

540
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,000
that he deserves.

541
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: You always love my lines. We don't get the monster

542
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,160
for Christmas. We instead get him in the new year

543
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:12,119
here in January, hopefully for this fight with Goodman. Okay,

544
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,839
And so that leads us to nostalgia before we're done,

545
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:17,160
and I got to get to work with Buccaneer Football,

546
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,359
and you got to get back to updating the substack

547
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,279
on the Dillian White recap and everything else.

548
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: This relax, you're not my editor, boss man.

549
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: Let's talk nostalgia. Let's talk five years ago today. As

550
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,640
a matter of fact, on Sunday, December fourteenth, twenty nineteen,

551
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,119
Terrence Crawford knocked out mean Machine cave Loscas and retained

552
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,480
his portion of the welterweight world title, as well as

553
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,680
Teya Fimo Lopez knocking out Richard Kome in the co

554
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:47,359
feature to win his first world title. You were there

555
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:50,039
at the Garden five years ago or right, give me

556
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:51,160
some nostalgia please.

557
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a good card he also had. I

558
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,440
mean in retrospect, it doesn't mean a whole lot at

559
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,200
the moment, but at the time. The third fight on

560
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,079
that show was a grun match showdown between Michael Collin

561
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:07,240
and Nikita, who had defeated him in that hugely controversial

562
00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:11,279
Olympic fight where it prompted Michael Kamman to, you know,

563
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,759
take that famous picture with Bob Aaron when he signed

564
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:16,279
also in the ring after that match, to give the

565
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,920
judges the finger because they had robbed him so blatantly

566
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,960
and so badly of the Olympic medal. So that was

567
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,920
a big deal on that car too. But nonetheless, these

568
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,519
other two fights, as you mentioned Terrence Crawford, you know,

569
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,400
he was cruised along still un defeated obviously today, but

570
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,400
this was one of his toughest fights. This was maybe

571
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,319
his toughest fight of his entire career if you ask me,

572
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,079
certainly a lot tougher than Narrow Spence Kabalawskis was an

573
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:42,279
Olympian himself, was the top notch amateur, had gotten off

574
00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:44,400
to an excellent start in the pros, has kind of

575
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,000
petered out because of the lack of activity and just

576
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:48,759
hasn't really kind of gotten over the hump. But in

577
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:51,519
this particular fight, despite the fact that in the end

578
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,920
he got knocked down three times and stopped in the

579
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,480
ninth round, in this wo Walter Way title defense that

580
00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:00,279
Crawford was making, there was a moment there in the

581
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:02,680
third round where he landed a big right hand on

582
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:04,960
Terrence Crawford and it made it's It's the one time

583
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,039
I can truly say that I've seen anyway that I

584
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:11,759
felt like Crawford was definitely hurt. Uh, definitely hurt, grabbed

585
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:14,240
it onto him, and then Cavalos has got off a

586
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,000
few more shots and Crawford went down to a knee uh,

587
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,599
being a look like a clear a knockdown and you

588
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,359
can get I mean as a knockdowns, a knockdown and knockdown. Uh.

589
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,640
The referee, Ricky Gonzalez from New York, was usually an

590
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,839
excellent referee. By the way, he ruled it a slip

591
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,960
and so it does not count on the official record,

592
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,799
but we've seen this happen before. There's a you know, uh,

593
00:26:32,039 --> 00:26:34,240
I will maintain until the day I died that zab

594
00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:36,599
Judah got robbed of a knock down against Floyd Mayweather.

595
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,200
There's no doubt about that. This was one of those

596
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,319
situations where Crawford was hurt. Crawford was knocked down, uh

597
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,920
and uh that didn't get called uh. And he came

598
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,559
but he'd take his credit. He came back and he

599
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:49,039
scored the knocking himself. Uh. And so that added some

600
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:51,160
electricity to that night. And then, as you mentioned in

601
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,519
the co feature, you had the young and precocious. He

602
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,119
liked that for a word on I got the young

603
00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:01,559
Fimo Lopez, who's you know, in his first world championship

604
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:07,279
fight against the very well respected Richard Kome gunning for

605
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,279
the IBF title. You know, Komi is defending the title,

606
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,599
and this was this was tia Fimo's biggest win to

607
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,759
that point. Now, he's gone on, by the way and

608
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,480
scored some of the best wins in boxing in recent

609
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:21,240
years when you take into account his victory over in

610
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:24,880
Lomachenko and his victory against Josh Taylor. But this was

611
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,720
a big win for him. He's, you know, Olympian, undefeated

612
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,440
fighting for a world title, so much expected of him,

613
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,400
and not only did he deliver with a win and

614
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,039
get the title, but he did it in resounding fashion

615
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:38,160
in a second round knockout. I mean, this was just

616
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,319
a beautiful knockout for him. This was a crowning moment.

617
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:44,200
And I have a memory of this. By the way,

618
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,759
I was with a couple of guys after the fight

619
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,839
at the Garden. You know, there's a bunch of like

620
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,160
diners and restaurants and coffee shops and pizza shops and

621
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,400
stuff right around that area. I mean it's it's midtown

622
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,079
Manhattan on a Saturday night, and we were in like

623
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,480
one of the pizza places across the street from the hotel,

624
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,559
and who walks in, you know, two hours after the fight,

625
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,000
Tia Femo went his dead. That's kind of hilarious, Like

626
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,960
you're celebrating with with a pizza and coacht, you know

627
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,359
what I mean.

628
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: That booming right hand against Kome, I mean, he he

629
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:12,440
It was not quite Trevor Burbick, but he was wobbling

630
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:14,839
all over the ring, trying to stand up and flopping

631
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,960
down and getting back up.

632
00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:18,799
Speaker 2: This was a big this is a big knockout for

633
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:21,359
a big night. And then you know, the next fight

634
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,960
he scored what still was the biggest win of his

635
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,359
career where he went out there and he won a

636
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,799
close fight, but definitely won the fight against Lomachenko. Unfortunately,

637
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:31,599
he was in the bubble with COVID, so there wasn't

638
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,920
the you know, the hype in the crowd and the

639
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:36,519
excitement around it that there normally would have been. But

640
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,759
to kome fight got in the first title and they

641
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:41,319
was able to beat Lomachenko with the unified titles. And

642
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:44,440
but that that was an explosive kind of knockout from

643
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,200
a from a tremendous young fighter in t them a

644
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,960
lopen So you put ta Femo on the card. You

645
00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:53,559
have also obviously uh Terrece Crawford getting to win in

646
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,279
an exciting fight. And as I mentioned that, you know,

647
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,160
I know again today it doesn't really mean a whole

648
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,119
lot necessarily, but that Michael Colin Vladimir and the Kiaden fight,

649
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:05,920
that was a win for Colin to make right the

650
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,920
outrageous Olympic robbery.

651
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: Love it all right, So go backwards to twenty sixteen

652
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,720
and on Tuesday, December seventeenth, twenty sixteen. Eight years ago,

653
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,720
Joe Smith Junior scored a wild knockout of Bernard Hopkins,

654
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:24,759
knocking him out of the ring. Tell me more about

655
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:27,160
and this you have on the rundown. This is a

656
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,519
fight that Rayphiel made. So tell me more about the

657
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,279
nostalgia of eight years ago, twenty sixteen and the Joe

658
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:35,880
Smith ko of the Hall of Famer Bernard Hopkins.

659
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:37,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean this fight was at the Form

660
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,880
in Englewood, California. I was ringside for this. It was

661
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,400
a big deal.

662
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: It was promoted by the way I am broadcasting and

663
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,799
working this satternoon at Sofi Stadium in LA which is

664
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,839
literally a nine iron from the Forum. I'm exactly on

665
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,000
the property and I remember this fight, and that's wild

666
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,240
that it was at the Forum. I didn't remember it

667
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:55,640
was at the Forum. Continue the nostalgia money one.

668
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this was promoted and discussed in the presosition.

669
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,359
This was Bernard Hopkins's farewell fight. This is the last

670
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:06,279
fight of his career. He was all annoyed because he

671
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:10,000
had taken a loss in a shutout decision and a

672
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:14,000
unification fight in November of twenty fourteen, against Sergei CoV Lev,

673
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:16,640
which is a big fight at that time. Really, honestly,

674
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,039
that in twenty fourteen, ten years ago, that's the last

675
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,359
I think that's the last fight that took place in

676
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,559
the main Boardwalk Hall, main arena. I'm not talking about

677
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:29,440
the upstairs three thousand seat room. I'm talking about the

678
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,319
big arena. There hasn't been a big fight in Atlantic

679
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:35,480
City in that building, in that space, and I think

680
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:37,440
this was the last one when he lost the coal left.

681
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,759
But anyway, he was wanting to fight after that, and

682
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:42,920
just for whatever reason, he was kind of locked out

683
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,759
of things. So it was, you know, twenty five months

684
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,359
later he came back. He had wanted to fight a

685
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,119
final fight, a farewell fight in his mind. He wanted

686
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,519
to go out on his own terms. He described it

687
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:56,000
to me as sort of like, you know, Kobe Bryant

688
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,400
went out on his own terms, and he was talking

689
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,960
about other athletes and you know, I've told this story before.

690
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,759
You know, a few months earlier, Bernard Hopkins was doing

691
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,119
the broadcast because he was commentating on HBO at the time,

692
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:09,440
and he was in London with Jim Lampley working the

693
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,920
Gnati Glovkin Kell Brook fight that was taking place at

694
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,200
the two Arena. I was there to cover the fight

695
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,720
for ESPN, and Bernard Hopkins and I, who had you know,

696
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,359
known each other for many many years, despite a couple

697
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:23,119
of bumps in the road, had to develop the relationship.

698
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,640
And here I am walking out of like the hotel

699
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,640
restaurant from having breakfast. Bernard's walking in and he's like, Hey,

700
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,720
come on, sit down with me, let's talk. So I

701
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,640
turned around and I sat down while Bernard had his

702
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,839
coffee and his breakfast, and we normally, Bernard and I

703
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,319
when we would talk, we didn't talk a lot of boxing.

704
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:43,079
We talked about politics, we talked about religion, we talked

705
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:45,599
about other sports, we talked about our families. I mean,

706
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,160
that's the type of relationship that I had with Bernardo.

707
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,480
Boxing was a small part of it as the years

708
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,119
went on. But on this particular morning, he wanted to

709
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:55,519
talk about what should I do? I want to fight,

710
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,880
who should I fight? What's your opinion? And so we

711
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,160
had this we this was like it turned out. I

712
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,240
want to tell you what must have been. We must

713
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,240
have sat there for a couple hours, an hour and

714
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,480
a half or whatever, just going over all this So

715
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,559
in the end, I came up with two ideas and

716
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:12,359
he gave me his great here and I've written extensively

717
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:14,279
about this in the past, right he wanted a guy

718
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,279
that was not He didn't want nobody, he didn't want

719
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:21,079
an embarrassing compony. Wanted a legit guy with a good record.

720
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,519
But he also made it very clear I don't want

721
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:24,240
to run around chasing the guy. At this point. Bernard

722
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:25,759
is like in his you know what, was he in

723
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:28,599
his fifties. I guess at this point, I want a

724
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:30,079
guy that's gonna clump the fight and be in front

725
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:31,359
of me, so I don't have to chase a young

726
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:33,160
guy around. So he gave me all these and he

727
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,000
wanted to fight that was make aball in terms of

728
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,640
promotion and networks and all that. So I gave him

729
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,000
two names in my in my memory as my rollodex was,

730
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:42,880
and I went through the two guys. One was a

731
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,119
New York fighter named Shanny Monahan, was undefeated, hadn't yet

732
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,920
stepped up, but at a good fan base, he could

733
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,039
definitely make the fight. He was with Top Rank. There

734
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:51,559
was not a lot of issues at that point between

735
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:53,519
Top Rank and Golden Boy. Would have been no issue.

736
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,640
HBO would have definitely taken the fight in my opinion,

737
00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:59,640
So I said Shawny Monahan was one. The other guy

738
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:03,039
was Joe Smith's junior who had a defeat, but he

739
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:07,240
had come off a big upset knockout on network television

740
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:11,039
and a PBC fight. He had defeated Andrew Ferrara Fanfara

741
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,079
rather in a first round knock in that was a

742
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:15,839
big upset that was nationally televised. So he he sort

743
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,480
of liked the idea that I was giving him. So

744
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:19,559
he's sitting there with his phone, He's looking up their

745
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:22,519
their box wreck. He's he actually went on YouTube and

746
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,759
looked at some of the videos and we're going back

747
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,559
and forth, and he's like he liked Joe Smith. He's like,

748
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:29,519
I'm going to take that to Oscar and Eric you

749
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,400
Oscar de la Hoya from Goldenway and Eric Goldmez from

750
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,680
Golden boay right, And sure enough, I joked with him

751
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,960
at the time, I said, Bernard, imagine how hilarious would

752
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,599
be if you actually fight Joe Smith. And a few

753
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:41,839
months later we're sitting here talking about your farewell fight.

754
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:46,400
You know that I'm your matchmaker, And sure enough, a

755
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,519
couple of months later, they make the fight with Joe

756
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:53,440
Smith strictly because of that suggestion he liked. You know,

757
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,440
he had a good relationship with Joe Smith's promoter, Joe

758
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,000
de Guardia. He knew the fight was makeable. It fit

759
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,559
every every box that Bernard was looking for. Uh. And

760
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,960
then the fight happened and it did not go his

761
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,119
way and he got knocked out of the ring in

762
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,199
the the eighth round. I want to say, onto the

763
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,239
floor on.

764
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,119
Speaker 1: Your side of the ring, or what's your vantage point

765
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:15,159
of him going out of the ring and what do

766
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:15,679
you remember?

767
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there behind the broadcasters looking at the ring.

768
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:20,840
He got knocked out of the ring to my left.

769
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,559
Now here's a funny story about this, and you can

770
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,599
google our YouTube and listen to the end of the fight.

771
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,559
So Jim Lampley was calling the fight for HBO is

772
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,119
at this stage of the fight just coincidentally, eighth round,

773
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,239
he is describing why Bernard Hopkins is fighting Joe Smith,

774
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,639
and he starts to recount the story about Rafael and

775
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,719
Bernard Hopkins are having breakfast at a restaurant in the

776
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,199
hotel in London over looking over the river Thames and

777
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,320
and he asked Rafael who he should fight, and Rafael

778
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,679
comes up with Joe Smith, and just as Lampley is

779
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,559
saying my name and telling the story, boom goes a

780
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,679
dynamite and Bernard Hopkins on the fucking floor, out of

781
00:34:58,679 --> 00:34:58,960
the ring.

782
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,599
Speaker 1: And I got to go back. I gotta go back

783
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:03,599
and see that now, and everybody else does too. That's

784
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:08,800
tremendous and so and so at that moment, you're Bernard

785
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,239
Hobbins's matchmaker put it like that, I understand. But at

786
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,320
that moment, you gotta be stunned. And then and then

787
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,159
as he I mean, part of you just got to

788
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:16,679
be thinking can he get up? Can he get back

789
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:18,719
in the ring before ten? But that's the end of

790
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:19,880
the fight, right yeah.

791
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,159
Speaker 2: And by the way, this was and this was a

792
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,519
competitive fight at the time of the knockout. Now Bernard

793
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:26,320
was losing, but it wasn't like he was being dominated

794
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,920
or blown away. He was actually leading on one score card,

795
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:31,719
uh uh, and he was down on the other two.

796
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,039
But it was it was the fight was still on

797
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:36,320
the table, as they say, in round eight, as this

798
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,000
is happening, he he was, I guess he you know,

799
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:42,360
you have twenty seconds if you can get back into

800
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,159
the ring. But he messed up his ankle when he

801
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:47,239
fell out of the ring. I guess people started to

802
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,280
help him out, and then ultimately the fight was just

803
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,639
stopped and it was gonna be no way he was

804
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:52,800
going to continue. He wasn't, you know, badly injured or

805
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,559
anything like that, but it was kind of chaotic and

806
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,119
it was kind of shocking, and it was sort of

807
00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,159
like so most of the people that are thinking, like,

808
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,119
I can't believe what I'm saying, and fucking this great fighter,

809
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:05,199
Bernard Hopkins, in his farewell fight, gets not only knocked out,

810
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,000
but knocked out of the ring, And in my mind,

811
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:08,800
I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe he just

812
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,400
got knocked out by the guy who I gave him

813
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,719
to fight. And Bernard and I have had we've joked

814
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,079
around about that in the years since then, so he's

815
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:17,920
not mad at me or anything about it. It's just the

816
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,440
way the business goes. And I will say this, I

817
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,400
give Bernard Hopkins credit for being willing to fight a

818
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,960
real guy in a showcase type of farewell fight, knowing

819
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,360
the risks of fighting a much younger man who was

820
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,000
coming off of a big knockout against a very well

821
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:35,039
regarded opponent and Fron far and by the way, Joe

822
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:37,519
Smith went on after that any won a world championship

823
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:39,719
and fought in some big fights and faced a lot

824
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,119
of top guys in the weight class.

825
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,079
Speaker 1: You know, it pains me as I say one more time,

826
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,719
I'm dis close to what was the Fabulous Forum and

827
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,199
in the Great Western Forum where Magic Johnson and Kareem

828
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,119
ruled the NBA in the eighties against my Celtics. By

829
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:54,960
the way, I was a big Celtics eighties guy with

830
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:57,440
Larry Bird. And I've never been in that building and

831
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,519
I'm right here by it now while we're doing the pod,

832
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:01,159
and you've been in it, including for this fight and

833
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,599
this spectacular moment where Hopkins got knocked out of the ring.

834
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:06,679
Speaker 2: I've covered several fights there. I covered Triple G fight there,

835
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,599
a couple of Triple G fights to my recollection, and

836
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:13,320
I covered the last fight from hold On last fight

837
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,920
of one Daniel Marquez against Mike Colvarado was a right

838
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,880
is Bernard Hopkins fight. There's I probably covered. I probably

839
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,199
covered a half a dozen fights there.

840
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,119
Speaker 1: From what I've been told, it's primarily a concert venue.

841
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:26,800
Now it's no longer got sporting events per se, because

842
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,199
they got so much around here, like the new Clippers

843
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,519
basketball arena, which looks like something out of a sci

844
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:34,039
fi movie I'm not kidding you, is right across the

845
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:36,159
street from where the Rams and the Chargers play here

846
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,400
at so far, I mean, they have so many huge

847
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:41,960
structures and facilities where they could do things. So it's

848
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,000
just interesting about the Forum and the nostalgia. But the

849
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,199
Forum is still standing. I'm here to report big Dan

850
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,559
on the nostalgia. It's still standing.

851
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,079
Speaker 2: You know, even back then, even back then, they always

852
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,119
had concerts, but they still always had a couple of

853
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:55,039
fights here and there. And obviously you go back, you know,

854
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,079
back years before that. Uh, it was they had a

855
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:00,880
regular Not only did they have fights on a you

856
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,920
know here and there, they had a regular like series

857
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,840
of fights. That was the you know, Jerry Buss, the

858
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,519
owner of the Lakers, was a huge boxing fan, and

859
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:09,800
they had a series of fights at the Forum also

860
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,800
right at the pond. They put on shows all the time.

861
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,079
Speaker 1: Very famously the rematch of Ali and Norton brought by

862
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:19,320
Jerry Bust to the Forum for nineteen I think seventy

863
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,480
three at the Forum. Ali beat Norton in the rematch

864
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:24,119
after he got his jaw broke in the first fight.

865
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:28,519
So good nostalgia on that, all right, listen, I got

866
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:30,960
about three minutes. We're all good, So let's just wrap

867
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,920
on Showtime. We're good, We've done great with the time.

868
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: Let's go forward.

869
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:39,039
Speaker 1: Here we go paus here and that leads us to

870
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:41,760
one final bit of nostalgia, and it's kind of a

871
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:44,159
you know, it's kind of a down anniversary to end

872
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:47,800
it on. A year ago. On Monday, December sixteenth is

873
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,079
the final Showtime broadcast after thirty seven years of fights

874
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:56,079
and pay per views. That's the last broadcast, December sixteenth,

875
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:58,880
twenty twenty three. I know we're disappointed. A lot of

876
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,639
the fight fans are disappoint pointed. I mean, it's not

877
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,760
anything epic that you're going to remember from the card.

878
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,840
It's a David Morrell win in the main event. But

879
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,840
this is more about the end of I can't believe

880
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,440
it's already been a year. It's the end of Showtime,

881
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:11,280
Dan Rayphiel, exactly.

882
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean boxing has not you know, I mean

883
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,559
I've said this many times. Boxing is still suffering the

884
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,480
loss of HBO at the end of twenty eighteen, and

885
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:23,159
to compound that became the next big loss, which was

886
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:25,280
the end of Showtime, which was obviously for decades the

887
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:27,800
main competitor of HBO, and so for them to go

888
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,960
out on this note, similar to HBO where their last

889
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,559
show was absolutely a piece of dog shit, the final

890
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,480
Showtime card was nothing to write home about. It was,

891
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,000
like you mentioned, David Morrell in a second round knockout

892
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,599
and mismatch against Senna Egbeco. They had the Jose Valonzuela

893
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,320
who knocked out Chris Colbert in a big upset at

894
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,159
the time Valenzuell obviously he has gone on to win

895
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:49,840
a world title. And then the old Man fight that

896
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,960
they did in the opener for no apparent reason, which

897
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,199
was the rematch you know what nine years or eight

898
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,360
years after their first fight between Robert Guero and Andre Berdo

899
00:39:58,119 --> 00:39:59,840
with that Guerrero one. That was, you know, a kind

900
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,199
of a depressing card in the Armory of Minneapolis. But

901
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,320
Showtime as a place in boxing history that will not

902
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,199
be filled anytime soon. They have a roster of fights

903
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:12,800
in their collection of events through those thirty seven years

904
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,159
that are unparalleled in terms of some of the biggest

905
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:18,760
fights they've done. You know, to name a few in

906
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,599
terms of pay per view fights, obviously Mike Tyson against

907
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:26,239
the Andrew Holyfield, both fights, numerous Julio Caesar Chavez events

908
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:29,320
that took place on showtime pay per view. They did,

909
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,679
you know, huge events. Obviously at the end of their time,

910
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,760
they did do Aero Spence against against Terrence Carver. They

911
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,840
did a number of Canelo Alvarez fights through the years.

912
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,440
Obviously they had the big contract with Floyd Mayweather and

913
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,559
did the last number of fights of his career. And

914
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:45,320
in terms of the non pay per view fights, they've

915
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,360
had some of the most memorable fights in the history

916
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,559
of boxing. They did we'd talked about it well, unfortunately

917
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,440
for the reasons that I'm going to say, with the

918
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,599
passing of Israel Vasquez, they did all three of his

919
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,599
all four of his fights against sure Ralphael Marquez. We

920
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,280
don't talk much about the fourth fight, but those first

921
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,679
three fights they did also, Uh, they had the greatest

922
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,360
fight of all time, arguably that I was ringside for that.

923
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,920
I will never forget. The first fight in two thousand

924
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,719
and five between Diego Corrals and jose Lewiskissy to unify

925
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,440
the lightweight titles. I mean, they have a litany of

926
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,000
great fights, and they were the home for the last

927
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,559
several years of their existence of PBC, And when Showtime

928
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,280
left the airwaves for boxing, PBC was left out in

929
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,280
the cold. They did a deal with Amazon Prime Video,

930
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,320
and although they are in that in that contract right now,

931
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,480
it hasn't produced. I mean, to be honest, they've done.

932
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:35,559
Speaker 1: It's a pay per view fights, it's a dove, it's

933
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:36,360
a dog they've done.

934
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not that is not going to get

935
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,360
the job done. So Showtime's absence is still being felt

936
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,320
because even though PBC has done the pay per views,

937
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,519
the shows that helped build a sport and help develop

938
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:52,119
your next paper view star are non existent. So I'm

939
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:54,320
hoping they can get back on track this coming year

940
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,559
in twenty twenty five, but so far Showtime has not

941
00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:01,079
been replaced, and uh, you know, it's unfortunate situation all around,

942
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:02,519
all right.

943
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: And so with that, busy on the recaps, busy, a

944
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,239
little fight news, busy on the nostalgia. Listen, you know

945
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,440
what's next Usik Fury two Fight week. We are about

946
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,840
to embark on that. I cannot wait to preview that

947
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,400
later on this week from read Season Saudi Arabia and

948
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,719
the Rematch. Let's see what's going to happen with that.

949
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,840
Can't wait to talk about that in that entire card,

950
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,320
My friend, thank you, we made this work with the travels,

951
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:34,239
et cetera. Here on the pod again, hit the like button, subscribe.

952
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,760
Make sure you're with us on Apple, Spreaker, Spotify here

953
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,159
for the pod. Be with Dan's newsletter and his substack

954
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:42,639
the Fight Freaks Unite, substack anything else, my friend, off

955
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:44,360
the weekend. We're good. We're ready for a big week

956
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,800
including Usik Fury the rematch.

957
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 2: I think we're good. I want to mention one thing

958
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,199
I forgot to mention earlier related to the fight with

959
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,320
Magia and Strasse. Yes, I was told this was after

960
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,000
I wrote my story, that there is the option in

961
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,119
the contract for there to be a rematch. We'll see

962
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,320
if that happens, if he if there's a that I

963
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,559
write his exercise if they do that, but he would

964
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,960
have the option to get the rematch for a movie.

965
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: You would think he wants the rematch, and you would

966
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,840
think for us, now it gets paid a whole lot more.

967
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,760
We'll see what happens without always good news in and

968
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,280
around Dan, listen, have a good week. We thank you

969
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,280
for all of this, and I'll make my way back

970
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,039
from California back to my home in west central Florida

971
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:22,639
and we'll reconvene talking you.

972
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:23,519
Speaker 2: Sick theory too.

973
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: Deal, deal, all right, my friend, there's Dan Raythel. I'm

974
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,320
merely TJ. Reeves. You have been part of our recap.

975
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,199
Podd again if we do going into the weekend. This

976
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,639
is the fight for each Unite Recap podcast by