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sense of what Vatican I mandates Roman Catholics and the

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world to believe the papacy is and to believe that

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that's what was established early in the first century. In

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other words, Satis Cognitium specifically says that the Vatican One

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idea of the papacy is not new, but was what

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was set up at the beginning. And I don't think

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he demonstrated that because he can't. It's similar to the

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exact same discussion that I had with his brother. If

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you don't remember, we did do a debate with his brother,

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Dave Gordon, and the progress of that debate was very similar.

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I always forget the name of this What is the

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name of that debate? I can never find it because

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it's on it's on a weird channel. I'll never find it.

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I know you guys have linked it many times because

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it's they titled it something weird and it never comes

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up in the search. But anyway, it's the you'll notice

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very a very similar parallels between the two debates. Mm hmm, yeah,

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I mean, I I like tim a lot. I haven't

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had any interaction with Dave Gordon since this time, and

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there was a Baptist pastor. It was a it was

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a three way debate, and I don't know, can you

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guys remember what it's called. It's the one where Bryson

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shows up. Yeah, Bryson Gray pops up and he's like,

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what about the passage to talk about Filer law? Gotta

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believe it. Anyway, it was exact same debate pretty much.

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I do think Tim is a better apologist, but as

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we saw, it was really just kind of a reliance

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on standard quote minds without context. So I don't really

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see any I think a lot of Roman Catholics were shook,

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and not just because of this, but it's been a

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bad couple of months for the Roman Catholics because not

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only was this debate about three big issues pretty much

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a loss across the board seventy five I won Roman

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Catholics coping, but also we had this whole the whole

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fiasco of Muslims, Christians and Jews worshiped the same God,

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and that one was a big l for the Roman Catholics.

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Uh yeah, somebody put the title of that. Let me

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see what it is. Yeah, we're not going to do

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a debate recap in review right now, because I'm going

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to save that for doing it with Lewis and Kai.

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I just saw somebody put the title of the debate

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in there. Now I can't find it there. It is

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Orthodox Catholic theology doctor Easily. I can never remember that

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Boomer's name. He was like the most smug dude ever though.

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That was That was funny. Yeah, if you watch this debate,

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you'll notice Roman Catholics pretty much run a script. Okay

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to see it doesn't come up because they titled something

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different on YouTube Here we go IDG Presents. That's why,

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because it's on Mike's channel and he gave it some

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title that nobody can ever find, probably on purpose because

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the Catholics didn't do very well. So if you go

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to watch this todate with Tim's brother Dave Gordon, it's

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kind of a repeat scenario. Anyway, it's not looking good

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for Roman Catholics. They're beat down, but you know, they

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really have a lot of they have a lot of challenges,

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to make sense of. So really the heavy lifting is

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on their side to make this stuff. Yeah, Marilyn made

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a good point. That debate ended up converting Gina to

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become orthodox. Yeah, Mike is still sassy and fussy. He

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talks a lot of shit and he won't come debate,

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so it ended up blocking him and he's still mad.

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But it's like, dude, you just talk shit. You don't

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do anything about it, Like, what's the point of interacting.

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But today we're gonna start with some other stuff. One

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of the things that came up. I'm aware that Nick

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has mentioned the debate. I saw the clips. Yeah, you

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guys that I anytime somebody mentions me, fifty people send

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me the clips. I'm aware. You know, when when people

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keep mentioning me and saying stuff, I assume they're looking

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for debate, I assume they're looking for something kind of interaction.

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And then you talk about it. Oh look at him

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Angle Whiting. Okay, yeah, whatever, you know, you can't win,

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that's why I don't even associate with most of that

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is here and beyond beyond this. Really, I don't think

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there's any need for continued rummy Calviy debates. It's about it,

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like there's nothing else. I mean, Tim, Tim pretty much

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solidified all the major critiques that we've had. They don't

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know our position, they're ignorant of it, they're not going

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to understand it, they don't care to read it. They're

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going to do quote minds, and they're going to say

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crazy things like the Spirit's pirrates himself, God's glory is

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a creature, there is no evidence for a geopolitical power

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of the papacy in the first millennium. There we go.

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again admitted in the Alexandria Chi eighty documents, that kind

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of stuff. So what's the point of continuing the same

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Roman Catholic debate. I thought Cleave to Antiquity had a

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really good comment. Again, we're not covering the debate today,

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we'll do that in the next few days with Urhan.

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lot of Roman Catholics just assume between the two positions

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that Protestant Catholic Catholics have a better argument against Protestants,

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and they become low information converts and then they kind

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spin the wheels when any significant challenges are brought or

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Orthodox and it just ends up being quote Minds Maquis Smiths,

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the papacy Jesus established. It's like, I don't care what

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contradictions or problems happened within the last two thousand years.

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Jesus established the papacy. So they have a solar scripture

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mindset about defending the papacy from the text of scripture,

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which is odd because they should understand that it's the

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tradition of the Church that interprets the text, as they

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always tell the Protestants. But when it comes to debating

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with the Orthodox, we're going to try to go solar scripture,

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prove the papacy from the text of scripture. But the

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text of scripture don't teach the Vatican one view of

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the papacy. And that's what he needed to demonstrate because

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that's what you're bound to. You're not bound to the

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idea of a papacy that you then, as a Roman Catholic,

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interject into it whatever ideas and positions you think it is.

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itself about itself and about its understanding of the text.

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That's what he needed to demonstrate, not the isogesis of

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reading today's or Vatican One's interpretation back two thousand years

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into those text. That's what was I think the biggest fail.

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He would have done a lot better too. Again, it's

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the last thing I'm gonna say, and we're gonna say, well,

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we're gonna move on. We're gonna do this real review

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later this week. I don't want to spoil too much

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of the comments afterwards. There's a million clips going up,

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which is great. I've I've sent Tim links articles, books

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four or five years. So the first time I talked

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to Tim and we discussed doing this debate was five

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years ago. And it's very similar to other Roman Catholics

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who have disagreed with me on this topic. If after

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multi and I understand Tim has a large family, he's

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very busy five years. If after five years they're not

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gonna read our material, there's not there's no point in

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doing the debate because it's just doing it for, you know,

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promoting Catholicism, promoting the channel. I don't fault him for

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wanting to promote his position and promote his channel. I'm

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just saying like it would be a much better debate

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if you had actually read the source material Number one

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from the Cappadocians, number two from our secondary theologians or

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academics that are neither Roman, Catholic or Orthodox, or Sashensky

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who went from Catholic to Orthodox. But well, he's busy,

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he's got his own Okay, but I understand you're busy.

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you want to understand the deposition, and I've sent you

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the links in the books for five years, you should

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have done it. So yeah, and yes, I saw my

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material is gay. Do you want to come on a debate,

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Zach Sylvas, Zach, let me know if you like to

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hop onto debate today, because I can create a space

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a debate if you want to do that. Because all

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the Rumman Calvig's by the way, in response to this debate,

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because it was such a resounding loss, and Tim said

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so many just preposterous theological, heretical statements. Okay, let me

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make a space for Zach to come debate all they've

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had since this and I've read through hundreds of rumancale

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comments since the debate. I've not seen one Roman Catholic

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actually address any single theological argument or point. All they've

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said is how much a piece of a shit I

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am and how much they hate me, which tells me

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that that's actually a sign that you guys are really

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weak in your position. So this again, that's a good sign.

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It's a good sign because that's the natural phases of

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mourning and coping after a death. So after the death

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of the romancaled position. Yeah, if he doesn't come on,

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you just just boot him, because we don't waste time

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for this kind of stu of open debate any topic

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versus Jay Dyer within reason, by the way, any topic

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within reason, because then everybody's all these goowers are gonna

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hop on here and start trying to like tiny mustache

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man was a hero. All right, I'm creating the link

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right now for the live space, and I'll go ahead

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and start that. You can hop in. Let me give

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myself the link over here on X excellent there, And

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I says, what about breakfast at Pimphones? And she said,

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I think I remember something. All right, here you go, dude.

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We love the smack talkers in the chat, but we

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have a rule over here. If you talk smack in

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the chat. You got to come to debate. So there's

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the link right there. We don't care if you have

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the excuse, Oh, I don't have Twitter. I've never used it.

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the link? It's literally right there, and he's like, where's

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the link. We are going to talk about the topics

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of geopolitics, of the papacy, espionage. I want to refresh

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on that because I did my closing statement in the

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forgotten that there's multiple sort of globalist internationalist arguments and

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statements in the documents of Vatican Two. We get so

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focused on Vatican Two's you know, statements on the Jews

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and the Muslims and all the kind of humanist syncretous stuff,

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and I forgot about all the statements in Gaudiumit's as

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the Church in the Modern World, the missionary Activity of

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the Church document, all of which have these pretty wild

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like New World Order, John the twenty third patchaman Terra's uh,

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you know statements. So let me start the room here,

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see if this guy will come. So what we're gonna

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do today is go through some of the highlights of

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some of the key texts that relate to the geopolitics

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of the papacy. And then we will I wasn't really

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planning on doing an open forum today, but I don't

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mind doing it right now. What do you mean now

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he's lying. The link doesn't do anything. The link takes

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you to Twitter. What are you talking about? The link

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doesn't do anything, even though there's all already like people

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popping into the room. Are you the Zachary Sylvius?

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 1: There we go? All right, I'm all right, I'm inviting

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you to speak. Zach, come back in the room. Try again,

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come out and come back in. Are you Zach still? Yeah?

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I saw you pop up, so come back in the room.

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It might have booted you because I just hit un mute.

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There we go. No, wait, that's not it. Try again

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to come back in. Sometimes it boots people right when

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the thing is starting up. We will look at I

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don't care if he's trolling, like, well, he's not trolling

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because he actually hopped up in here. So I saw

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him in here. And we always give people who disagree

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the ability to come to debate, Otherwise they just get

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booted because they're just wasting everybody's time. Where are you at?

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Speaker 3: Dude?

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Speaker 1: I saw you, I gave you the invite to speak,

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and then you disappeared. So I don't know if it

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booted you or if you ran, but I created the

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room for you. We'll be talking about forgotten elements of

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Anglo American establishment. They relate to the papacy in Roman

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Catholicism in terms of the nWo Where are you at, dude?

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So this is like, this is what we deal with

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with the Roman Catholics. They're so cowardly and terrified that

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all they had left is just And by the way,

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was like, yeah, Jay brought all of his bots when

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literally the chat people will screen shot at it was

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all like the most disgusting gay stuff from Roman Catholics.

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It was just nasty. But what do we expect? I mean,

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Roman Catholics basically just a bunch of gay guys anyway,

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So that's another reason to avoid that sphere, is so

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that I can kind of keep the Skittles people away

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from me. Doesn't mean I'm not gonna be friends with Tim,

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because it's confirmed Tim as hetero, he has children, but

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the rest of that crew, It's like, what's the point, Like,

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you guys are openly in a church that blesses gay unions,

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So now you ran away, what do you expect? So

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I'm gonna leave this here because I want people who

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disagree to call in you only. I'm only going to

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people who disagree. I will not take any Catechuman questions period.

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Not doing that today. I want to have a chill

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chat stream session. We're gonna have fun, and if he

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pops back up in the chat, just I'm gonna I'm

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already gonna go ahead and boot that guy because he's

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full of shit. So there's coward number one talking smack

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and then runs away boo boo boo boo boo boo

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boo boo. Again. I've literally not seen a single Catholic

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argument about any of the content of the debate. All

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they talk about is me personally, which is literally like

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the weakest crap ever. Dude, that's so weak? Uh? Did

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somebody already delete him? Because now I don't see him.

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I can't find his profile. How do these people know?

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How do I join? What what do I do? Like

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nobody's ever used Twitter spaces, We've been doing this for

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like eight years. Here all right, we got rid of him.

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Oh wait, he misses me right here, right before I

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boot it. Unless see what he says. Can I call you? You can't.

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I don't know. You can't call me? What he's talking about?

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Go to the Twitter space, you idiot doesn't it's not unavailable?

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What are you talking about? Can you call me? That's

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O gay? Like, I'm gonna give you my phone number.

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Maybe he means call me on Twitter. Let's see if

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he's on on here. I mean I saw you in here,

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So I don't know how you're saying that it's unavailable

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when you were literally in the room in the space.

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I don't know why you wouldn't be tell me your hand.

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All right now he's already blocked. It's just waste of time.

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These people are so pathetic. I really want him to

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come on though, because every time we get these people

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like this, like they're they're absolute the absolute worst and

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the end of being really good funny content. I think

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I can here, I'll unblock you, and then I think,

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if I can find your profile, I will add you,

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and then I think I can call you at nine

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seven six dire What was his name, Zachary's Silvius. I

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think I see him here. If that's you, I just

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followed you Zachary's Sylvis. Yeah, he's talking about Martin Luther,

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so that's got to be him. If you want to

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follow me back, Zachary, then I think we can do

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a call via Twitter. I think that'll work, Zachary. I

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followed you followed me back, and then we can do

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it a one on one call. Anyway. Uh, guys, I'm

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not taking anybody's calls unless you disagree. So, and we're

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not doing Q and A and Catechyuman stuff, so don't

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even call me about that. I'm just literally gonna drop you.

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So don't set yourself up for a situation where you

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get your feelings hurt and then you hate me and

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you're mad at me for the next five years. Because

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I didn't want to talk about your question when I

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specifically said I'm not taking Categyuman FAQs. I'm only talking

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to people today who disagree with anything. I don't care

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what otherwise, don't call in, Okay, zach says he followed me.

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Let's say if we can do a call. Okay, here

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we go. This might shut down the space though I

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think it will. I might restart the space. If somebody

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wants to come to day let me, I'm gonna call him,

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and then it's gonna shut the space down. It says

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I can call you when you send me a direct message.

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So I DMed you and then I'll be able to

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call you. In order to call this account, you must

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send a direct message. This is a passive aggressive spiration.

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Did you hear that, Zach? You have to d M

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me before I can call you, and then then we

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can do a call. Well, I turned the room off.

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There's no room now because in order to call him,

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I have to shut down the room. Okay, here we go. Hey,

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j Yeah, why is my argumentation and my stuff gay?

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Speaker 3: I was just being inflammatory with that. I don't think

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it's actually homosexual. I think that, uh my, my. I

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think my view on.

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Speaker 2: The the Peter.

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Speaker 4: Getting the keys and uh, you know, by loosing and

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also the gates of Hell not prevailing to me, Uh yeah,

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all the other apostles got binding and loosing, but they

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didn't get the keys.

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Speaker 1: And you know what the office of the keys is.

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Speaker 4: Well, I know from a little bit from the Old Testament.

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Speaker 1: In Catholic theology, and in Orthodox theology, what is it?

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Speaker 3: It's the authority given to Peter. Uh to the key

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of the kingdom.

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Speaker 1: So the office of the keys is the authority of

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the keys given to Peter. It's the keys.

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Speaker 4: Uh, well, I I get the the keys.

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Speaker 1: What is it symbol What does it symbolize? In Roman

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Catholic theology? How do you guys speak of the office

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of the keys?

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Speaker 4: I don't always speak about the office of.

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Speaker 2: The pope and the keys.

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Speaker 1: What is the what is the exercise of the keys?

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It's jurisdiction, preaching of the Gospel, the administration of sacraments,

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and the forgiving of Since that's the office of the

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keys in your theology and an orthodoxology to by the way, Yeah,

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OK So if that's what it is, then what is

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it that Peter has that's unique that the other ones

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don't have? If that's what it has defied us?

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Speaker 4: So the see of Peter, the patrin see the gates

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of Hell won't prevail against that one.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait that one?

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Speaker 1: Hold on? How many patrins seeds are there?

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Speaker 3: There's one, are you? Yeah? There's one? Guy, Peter?

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Speaker 1: Well wait a minute, how many How many seeds did

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Peter set up.

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Speaker 4: Well, his office, so the office of the keys. As

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you're saying, the patrin.

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Speaker 1: But now you've now you've equivocated. Now you've moved the goalpost.

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Because how many seeds did he say? How many?

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Speaker 3: See? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what that means. You don't know what

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that means.

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Speaker 3: Okay, explain it to me, because to me, it seems.

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Speaker 1: Like, have you read Saint Gregory the Great?

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Speaker 3: I've read the Bible, and I know.

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Speaker 1: You've read the Bible, So you don't know. You're laughing?

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What is it? You're not familiar with your own people

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teaching about the three patrin sees.

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Speaker 3: I do know that the gates of Hell have prevailed.

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Speaker 1: So you're not actually answering your question. I'm not asking

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about that. I'm asking about Epistol Epistol forty of Pope

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Saint Gregory the Great? What is that about?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm saying, from an utilitarian standpoint, you guys get

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conquered by the Muslims.

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Speaker 1: Every time I said so, he calls my information gay

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and he comes with the very argument that Augustine refused

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in the City of God, which is that the true

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Church is proven by political, political, and military Prowess, Pupe

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St Gregory, Pope, Saint Gregory. You don't even know your

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own positions, man, you don't know your own church's position, Gregory.

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He's laughing. So look at Gregory, they're great. Look at

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this letter, okay, letter forty. He says there are three

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patrin sees that all share that here, Peter, Rome, Antioch,

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and Alexandria. So you're totally wrong about there being one patrincy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, well well utilitarian, uh well okay, So you

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don't know anything Orthodox, so you know that's an that's

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a truth quake.

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Speaker 1: Conquered by communists? You know, do you know how many

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do you know how many times the Roman Catholic Church

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has lost to Muslims? Did you know that? It was

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Uni eight?

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Speaker 3: It was conquered by conquered.

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Speaker 1: And then when Constantinople fell? Was it? When did it?

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What religion did it have? What religion did it have

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when it fell? What religion? What religion was Constantinople when

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it fell?

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Speaker 3: You guys have failed.

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Speaker 1: What religion was Constantinople when it fell?

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Speaker 3: I think?

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Speaker 1: So it's numbers. It's your arguments that are gay, because

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they're not even good arguments they're stupid arguments. According to you,

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what religion was Constantinople when it fell, it was.

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Speaker 4: It had been conquered by the Latins, I believe at

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one point.

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Speaker 1: So you just refuted yourself, you idiot. Then Rome is

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false because it fell to That was the dumbest shit ever.

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This is the level of Roman Catholics. This is what

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they had. It is always the lowest tier nonsense, and

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they don't care about what the arguments are. Every single

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time I told you it would be pure trash. When

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he called in, you lost to the Muslims. You lost

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to the Muslims according to what you just said, because

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you said you fell, Constantinople fell, and then you admitted

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it was uniate, you idiot. Oh, I just know the Bible.

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The Bible doesn't teach Vatican one well utilitarianism. Oh does

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the Bible teach utilitarianism? A seventeenth century Anglo empiricist ethic,

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how many seas are pettering? Three seas all the way

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up as late as Pope Saint Gregory the Great. So

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what he needs to demonstrate is why there's something special

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about the See of Peter in Rome, given that there's

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three sees. Well in the earliest days of the Church.

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The reason that Rome was special is because it's doubly Apostolic.

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Oh but wait a minute, Vatican one says that you

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can't say that Rome is special because it's doubly apostolic.

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Paul has nothing to do with it. According to Vatican One,

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Insati's called metum so notice that he had nothing. And

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these people are so arrogant and so ridiculous and stupid.

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They don't even realize that the argument that military victories

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prove or disprove the religion is the very thing that

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Augustin's City of God has written against. That's how stupid

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they are. Now he and I will never interact again.

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He's not coming back here. It was too dumb, and

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that's why he just goes off, changing the subject into

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shit that's not even real utilitarian ethics, like as if

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they don't know how to argue, They don't know what

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an argument is. They think it's arguing, and they think

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it's trying to get owns about losing and winning battles.

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It's like, these are some of the most idiotic people

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like you. It's like talking to kids. I don't know

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how to describe it. It's like a weird cult almost.

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If he comments again, just block him. It's a way,

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it's a way. You're not talking to a rational person.

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And then they always go immediately into personal attacks. You

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know you're salty because you lost, You idiot. Rome fell

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to Masonry. The pope was taken captive by the Italian revolutionaries.

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So I guess Roman Catholicism is false when Pius was

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under house arrest in the Vatican, when the Masons had

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him under a house arrest. But that's so stupid. This

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argumentation is anytime you have a military or political loss,

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the religion's false. That's how stupid this is. I didn't

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I didn't rage quit. What you said was so stupid

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that you didn't even realize you refuted yourself. You admitted

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that Constantinople was Catholic when it fell, and you were

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trying to argue that falling to Muslims means that your

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church loses and is disproven. You're too stupid to be here,

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don't You're not welcome here? Like go be gay and Rome, dude,

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that's where you're welcome. Anybody else want to call in.

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I don't think we're gonna ge any more, though, he

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did finally call in, so I'll give him credit for

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at least calling. But see, that's what's so wild, is

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like they don't want to stay on one topic. He

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goes to Constantinople after I'm asking him about gregor their

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grade statement about three patrin ces. So once they sense

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that one argument is weakening or getting or losing, they

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move on to some other topic that's not even relevant.

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And they don't even have an explanation for they think

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the keys is like this magical thing when it just

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means jurisdiction and it's all the same attributes and powers

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in Matthew eighteen that are given to the other apostles.

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Peter is rewarded because he says it first, and then

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everyone else gets the same thing two chapters later, and

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then they can't never tell you. Okay, what is specifically

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that Peter gets that the others don't? The keys? Keys

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is jurisdiction, preaching of the gospel, remitting of sins, celebrating

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the Eucharist. That's the operation of the keys. That's something

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they will have. So what's the unique thing, Oh, infallibility?

468
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Where in the chapter is that say anything about that?

469
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:20,799
Speaker 2: Oh?

470
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,519
Speaker 1: Well, it's assumed it's tradition exactly. I'm going to start

471
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:32,359
another room and do not call me if you're asking

472
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,839
catechumen questions, and I'm going to start it right now.

473
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,960
Debate jadi are on any topic. Uh, and then smash

474
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:43,160
me because everybody likes to make sex jokes about that.

475
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: Link.

476
00:33:48,920 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: And then we'll move on. Stop, let me give it,

477
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:16,760
hold on, let me give you the hand.

478
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:19,559
Speaker 2: That happen.

479
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,159
Speaker 1: All right, moving on round two, we'll try again. Not

480
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,960
all Roman Catholics, Okay, find me the high tier ones

481
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,840
that can actually have a coherent conversation, that have even

482
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,039
read one book on the topic. I mean, why are

483
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:19,760
you even trying to debate? Like, if you're brand new

484
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,920
to this stuff is obviously that guy's brand new to

485
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:29,880
this doesn't know anything. Gorilla biscuits, what's up? Became a member?

486
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,920
Brendan Brent said, are five dollars. Pastor Janoski has a

487
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,519
million plus followers. He runs a charismatic cult. His videos

488
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,679
are crazy, frightening and funny. You should reply to them,

489
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,960
Pastor John Anoski, that does sound funny. Let's see if

490
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,800
you can find it. By the way, here is the

491
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letter of Gregory the Great, where he mentions three Petrine Ceas,

492
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And of course they don't even know that even in

493
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the Book of Acts, Peter founds the Sea of Antioch,

494
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:57,760
so appslot succession and Antioch comes from Peter. But they

495
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,360
automatically arbitrary say, oh, but they don't have ability there. Well, oh,

496
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,920
why is that? Because the tradition is that it's in Rome.

497
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,360
Oh so interesting. There's nothing in the text that actually

498
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,599
says that infallibility is conferred to Rome. Only because they

499
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:13,800
argue from Peter. But then they say that not everybody

500
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,440
who succeeds Peter has infallibility. They don't even know that

501
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,440
Peter is the founder of the Sea of Antioch. They

502
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,400
don't they don't know that. This is like like level

503
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:51,000
two and they're at level one. John Anowski, let's see

504
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,840
if we can find Pastor John. This does sound fun

505
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,920
and a seke is he a black dude? Uh? About

506
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:03,480
to go? Wow?

507
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:18,519
Speaker 6: Pastor John Anosike, he has six hundred thousand followers.

508
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:21,599
Speaker 1: So you know, it's sad. I think more and more

509
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:28,400
like we're just dealing with so many just dumb, gullible people.

510
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,199
It's kind of sad, Like, why, for example, do all

511
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,119
the boomers give money to Kenneth Copeland and these TV preachers.

512
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,400
It's like, did you not live long enough to have

513
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,480
some discernment in life that you can't spot a con man?

514
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,239
I mean, pretty obviously right, he's a con man. But

515
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,199
I don't know what if I hope that when I lived,

516
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,519
if Lord willing I live to be eighty, I have

517
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:56,719
some discernment about conman. What's up Drago, Draco Malfoy, what's up?

518
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: Dog?

519
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,559
Speaker 1: We had one disagreeing call. I'm not taking any Catechumen questions.

520
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:13,000
Only if you disagree, that's it, Draco Malfoy. Of course,

521
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,519
they can never connect when there's somebody who wants to disagree,

522
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,519
try to come out, come back in buddy, p two

523
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:23,079
hundred ars, which is always like twenty cents. Congratulations on

524
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:25,960
the win. It was a decisive victory over Gordon. People

525
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,519
will always police the tone, but this is when others

526
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,880
are bad faith, evasive and constant with straw Man's Well,

527
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:37,119
have you noticed the parallels between Room Catholicism and a cult.

528
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,480
It is a cult. That's why there's the reaction that

529
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:45,800
we see to where I'm not interested in the information.

530
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,000
I don't want to deal with it. I'm going to

531
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:52,679
bypass all that you're a bad person. Thus it's a lazy,

532
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,000
easy way for me to feel good about myself and

533
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:57,119
not have to worry about anything that you said. It's

534
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:03,079
the classic right person. Fine, I'm the worst person. How

535
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:06,400
is any of that gonna solve the arguments and the

536
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,039
challenges to the position. Oh, it's not la la la

537
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:11,559
la la la la la la la. That's what Cleve's

538
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:14,960
antiquity said. He's absolutely right. When you bring the challenges

539
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,280
and the problems to the low information converts low information,

540
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,440
it's very effeminate. Exactly. Well, a lot of these people

541
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,119
are gay, so yeah, of course it's effeminate. The tactics

542
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:29,400
seem to be forgiven when you're a you have a

543
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:36,079
quote calm demeanor. Yeah, so you can lie and to

544
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,119
be evasive and that's okay. But if you're aggressive, even

545
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:44,599
if you're right, you're bad. Yeah, exactly. If you want

546
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:46,840
to ask me a question and you disagree, you can

547
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,599
call in. I'm not taking your catechumen questions for the

548
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,880
one hundred times I'm not, I will not answer any

549
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,639
category in questions. If you call in and ask me,

550
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,119
I'll literally just drop you. And then you're gonna be

551
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:03,639
mad to me, even though I specifically said twenty times

552
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:13,199
I'm not answering your catechumen questions. What's up? Yes, people

553
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,559
are gullible, that's the problem here. What's up? I'm your.

554
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,119
Speaker 3: Hollo Jay calling from Italy? Ever been good?

555
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

556
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: Call him what Italy?

557
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,119
Speaker 7: From me?

558
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 8: Italy well as some of as somewhat of a strange

559
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,639
case here. You know, I'm a I'm an ex Muslim.

560
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:37,719
I'm probably the only ex Muslim who goes to a

561
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,599
Moscow patriarchy church here north of the Appennine, south of

562
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the Alps. And basically, in your debate, with all the

563
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:50,480
lack of knowledge I have had in whatever apologetics and

564
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:54,800
polemics the Catholics do, I found it really similar to

565
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,159
an Islamic cult.

566
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,199
Speaker 1: Yes, which is the reactions are very similar to the

567
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,119
Muslims too, though.

568
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:05,639
Speaker 8: Very much present in our history. In Iran, it's called

569
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:09,119
the Hashashians. Well, basically the assassins are also based on them.

570
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:12,760
And when you said to actually read what happened in

571
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:18,440
the Vatican one I read. I read the manifesto of

572
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,199
the leader of Hashasians. His name is Hassan Sabah yep,

573
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:28,960
and this guy converges on whatever whatever these revolutionaries and

574
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:35,480
Masonic thinkers were spewing out on eighty percent of the points.

575
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,159
It's like, I don't know how it happens, but it

576
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,920
has happened, and it's mind boggling for me.

577
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy for me. Well, it's part of falling

578
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,960
human nature to operate this way. That's how they act.

579
00:41:56,119 --> 00:42:00,760
So Zachary wants to try again. No, here we go,

580
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,800
but thank you for calling. Yet, I mean, it's it is,

581
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,440
it's cult like behavior. Yeah. Do you want to talk

582
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,000
about Pope saying Gregory the Great?

583
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 9: Uh?

584
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 4: I was looking into the patrin seas because I'll be honest,

585
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,159
I haven't heard of those.

586
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: Why are you trying to debate something that's a basic

587
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,679
of church history if you don't know about.

588
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: It, Well, because we're not taught that because we're not Orthodox,

589
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:26,880
we're Catholic, and so.

590
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,639
Speaker 1: You think that it's a truth that's only in the

591
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,719
Orthodox Church. And that's why time you.

592
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,559
Speaker 3: Guys focus on like the Okay, we don't even think.

593
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,639
Speaker 1: About the we're not moving on to Philly oquay one

594
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,840
one moment at a time, one point at a time. Okay,

595
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,199
you said the patrin see you were talking about Peter

596
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,280
and the gospel and the text. And you thought that

597
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,280
there's only one patrin sea Rome, I showed you that

598
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,880
there's three, And all the way up into Gregory the

599
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,639
Great and Letter forty, he still talks about three patrin seas.

600
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,480
So the question is where and how do you prove

601
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:03,559
that infallibility is for the see in Rome and not

602
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:04,199
the other two.

603
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:08,599
Speaker 4: So Jesus gave Peter the keys, not his seat, not

604
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:11,760
his seat, not the places he visited or he set up.

605
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,599
Speaker 3: The keys are tied to Peter, and he died in Rome.

606
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: Do you not understand that the successors in Antioch and

607
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:19,440
Alexandria are from Peter?

608
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 3: I mean he didn't die yet.

609
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, So he has to die before

610
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:31,119
their successors. Yeah, he has to die before their success

611
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,559
are you Are you listening to the argument? Stop talking,

612
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:36,920
or I'm booting you. He has to die before there's

613
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,920
a successor. So how did he set up a church

614
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,039
in Antioch if he's already dead?

615
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,599
Speaker 3: He didn't dead. He died in Rome and his successor.

616
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: So so there are there successors in Antioch from Peter?

617
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:49,840
Are there?

618
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:53,679
Speaker 3: I mean? Not his final success Oh.

619
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: It's a quote, final successor how do you know that

620
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,880
it's the How do you know that it's the quote

621
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,679
final successor? When all three arts aesss. Where do you

622
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:01,800
get this argument from?

623
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,519
Speaker 3: Well, it's from tradition, because where where?

624
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: What tradition? What tradition?

625
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 3: The tradition of the papacy.

626
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: Oh, so the papacy proves the papacy by arguing for

627
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,960
the tradition of the papacy, Because yeah, is that a circle?

628
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,239
Is that a circle?

629
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,119
Speaker 3: No, I'm just pointing out king guys.

630
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: You're just pointing it out. Now, it's a king dying.

631
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:20,880
What does it have to do with this in the

632
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,079
first century? Is Peter a king? Is he a king?

633
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

634
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: I mean he got the keys to the kingdom.

635
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: So this the keys proved the it's a is this

636
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,400
a circular argument or not? Wait a minute, but your

637
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,119
argument was that, no, it's not.

638
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: The keys are tied to Peter.

639
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: Antio is the Bishop of Antiocha's successor to Peter.

640
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: His final successor.

641
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,079
Speaker 1: Now you've added a qualification that has quote his final successor.

642
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:47,679
And now I want you to prove.

643
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: That the keys are tied to Peter. The keys are

644
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tied to Peter.

645
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:54,159
Speaker 1: So the successors and anti stop lying because the successors

646
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:58,159
in Antioch are from Peter. You already admitted it. I mean,

647
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:00,719
why are you lying to Why are you lying?

648
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,039
Speaker 3: Bishops can make a new pope.

649
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: What does that have to do? Now you're deflecting. Now

650
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:10,360
you're deflecting. How do you know? Listen, stop arguing what

651
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,400
you're stop your bullshit. And you said that it has

652
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,079
to be his final successor in Rome, the last one.

653
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:16,639
How do you prove that.

654
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 3: Early succession Peter?

655
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: How do you prove that that's the final successor is

656
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:30,719
the only one that gets infallibility? I mean, there's no proof.

657
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,599
It's your stupid position. That's why you said the pa

658
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,039
You said the papacy proves it.

659
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,519
Speaker 4: I'm not even talking about infallibility.

660
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: That's what the argument's about.

661
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 4: The church was promised the Holy Spirit to guide him

662
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through it.

663
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:48,679
Speaker 1: Do you not understand that Antioch there's a bishop in Antioch.

664
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It's in the Book of Acts. Peter sets up the

665
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:53,480
church in Antioch, and they have succession from Antioch. Even

666
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,079
the Romancolicy church admits this. Yeah, so why does it

667
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,440
not have infallibility? If it's a patrine the time that

668
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,599
didn't make anything, What does that have to do with this.

669
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 3: Because he needs a successor.

670
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: That's how it works, dude, do you not understand that

671
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:12,760
anti listen, Antioch has this succession from Peter if.

672
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: It's not his final success Where.

673
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: Now you've changed the argument to say his quote final successor.

674
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,519
Now prove that the only person has infallibility is the

675
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:27,119
quote final successor. Prove that you can't. That's why you're silent,

676
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,920
because you're a liar and you don't know what you're

677
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:35,400
talking about. Good God, dude, these people are so just

678
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,599
do you see when we actually got into it, they're

679
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:41,239
totally dishonest. They change what they're arguing to prove the

680
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,039
position he just made up at hoc Oh, it's the

681
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:50,320
final successor. Even though Antioch and Alexandria as bishoprics have

682
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,679
petrine succession. His own Roman Catholic church knows that and

683
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,400
admits that. So then now they have to show that

684
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,639
there's something special about Rome. How do you prove that

685
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,920
because the papacy says so that's a circle, you idiot?

686
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:16,079
Speaker 2: Hello, yep, I was.

687
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 10: Just watching that debate from last night and then on

688
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,440
I think Tim Gordon's closing statement, he was talking about

689
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,159
the three Saints that were Basically, I can't remember the

690
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:26,079
last two, but I was.

691
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: I remember the first one was Theodore or the Studite.

692
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 10: I was reading his letters, and I'm trying to understand

693
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,440
it more how that's.

694
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: Affirming the papacy, because.

695
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:40,639
Speaker 10: The reading the words and everything in that letter was sounded.

696
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: Like he was affirming the papacy. But I was just

697
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:42,920
trying to understand all.

698
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: This is equivocating affirming the papacy. That's not what's in debate.

699
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The Orthodox Church doesn't disagree there's a bishop of Rome

700
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,440
and that he was the first in the cannons and

701
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,199
the synods and all that. That doesn't prove the claims

702
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:56,480
the Vatican won don't you understand? You have to prove

703
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,920
what Vatican one says about the papacy. That's the burden

704
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:03,800
of proof. That's the Roman Church's claims. It's not a

705
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,400
question of did the Church agree and admit that there

706
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,960
were patrion successors in Rome. You're gonna find all consequence

707
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,679
about that because it's never been in dispute. But you're

708
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,440
equivocating by saying Jesus established the papacy. What is the

709
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,000
papacy in Roman Catholic theologies defined by Vatican one. How

710
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:24,119
come none of you go and read Vatican one. Go

711
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:27,199
read Vatican one. That's what you're arguing for. Not did

712
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:40,360
Jesus set up a Patrian succession in Rome? Nobody disputes that. Yep, yep,

713
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:42,360
you hear me, Yep.

714
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 11: I just want to say congrats on the debate. I

715
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,719
was not expecting him to just come out and fully

716
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,320
say that the Theophanes were created.

717
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,159
Speaker 1: That was like I knew he was because he doesn't

718
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,320
understand the argument. He never read it into stuff I

719
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:55,519
said him for five years, So.

720
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 11: Maybe I just expected more out of him from that,

721
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,400
But I certainly got to that part of the debate.

722
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,840
Just watching the chip out and chat from all the rcs,

723
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,360
that was sort of mind bloggling.

724
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,199
Speaker 1: No, I've been saying for years they're that retarded. Well,

725
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,559
I mean, that's exactly what I mean.

726
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:12,079
Speaker 11: What more do you expect from the people, whenever they're

727
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,760
confronted with something like this, will stick their fingers in

728
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,079
there is and just say la la la la la,

729
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:18,440
divorcing and contraception whatever.

730
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: Exactly? Do you have anything you disagree with, anything you

731
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,760
want to comment on other than that?

732
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,119
Speaker 3: No, I just wanted to come on and say that.

733
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: So appreciate it. Yeah, it's all right, I mean, there's

734
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,880
there there are no more Roman Catholics like that was.

735
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:34,840
I mean, I'm not even saying he's like the greatest

736
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,400
of the Roman Cathlic Apologists, because I'm sure Tim would

737
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,800
say that you can go read Abara and he's better

738
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:48,599
on papacy whatever. I mean. Again, like Tim conceded, especially

739
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,159
the philly oakuay. At the end of the debate, he says,

740
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:52,840
all right, I was wrong about phlly oakuay. You got

741
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,199
me there. And then privately after the debate he said

742
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,239
to me, you were right about universe order and register.

743
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: So yep, hello, Jay, can you hear me?

744
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 3: All right?

745
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 12: Am I allowed to steal man a position and pretend

746
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,239
to be Roman Catholic for a bit?

747
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: Okay?

748
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:20,559
Speaker 3: All right?

749
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 12: So Pope Vigilius was coerced by a council on the

750
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,159
subject of the three Chapters. And the reasoning for this is, uh,

751
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:37,119
looking back to the tone of I believe it's well,

752
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,000
let's just start from the beginning with Pope Leo the first.

753
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,199
So when somebody because I had an interaction with the

754
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,199
Roman Catholic apologist, which I probably shouldn't have, this catechumen,

755
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,400
but he said that Pope Vigilius.

756
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:51,519
Speaker 3: Was actually coerced.

757
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: Now wait a minute, so that then they would be

758
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,159
admitting Cicero papism.

759
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 3: I'm an idiot. What does that mean?

760
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not trying to be rude, but so if

761
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,039
you believe that the emperor runs the church or is

762
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:10,320
the head of the church, it's usually termed They often

763
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,519
criticize us of the Emperor's ahead of your church, hence

764
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:18,840
Cicero papism. This Caesar is the pope, right The Roman

765
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,960
emperor is supposedly running the church, controlling the church, and

766
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,800
he's the Eastern Church's pope. If the Vigilia situation is

767
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,519
a proof of Virgilius actually just submitting to Justinian to

768
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:36,039
the Emperor, then they're admitting that their own pope at

769
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:40,599
that time was Cesero papist submitted to that the emperor

770
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,159
was the real pope. So they would have to concede

771
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:46,679
that at one point the papacy was not true Cesero

772
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,039
papism was true. But that would also not just defeat

773
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,199
the papacy as a system. You only need one contradiction

774
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,960
to just disprove this system. And I don't think they

775
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:57,679
understand that.

776
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 3: Like.

777
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,599
Speaker 1: That's another thing that seems to pop up is that

778
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,880
they don't understand that you have a system that claims

779
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,599
perpetual success of never failing faith. For Rome, that's what

780
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:12,320
Vatican one says. Thus, if Rome ever failed in the faith,

781
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,880
then Vatican one is not true. It's a contradiction. Even

782
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,079
Aborro said, if you could show a dogmatic contradiction in

783
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:20,840
the papacy, I would be forced to concede the papacy.

784
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,480
He said that in our debate long time ago. So

785
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:26,719
that's why all I do is bring these obvious examples,

786
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,199
and it doesn't matter which way they go with, you know,

787
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,360
the unum sanctum and the temporal supremacy argument. By the way,

788
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:36,360
I noticed when the Romancalities are replying to the unhum

789
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,920
sanctum argument, they don't even understand what in argument they think.

790
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,559
I'm saying that, where is the proof of the papacy

791
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:45,880
in the first thousand years? Do you people not? Do

792
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,679
you have IQ's below eighty? I said, where is the

793
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,519
temporal supremacy argument of the papacy in the first thousand years?

794
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:54,559
Speaker 3: Not?

795
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: Are their papal quotes? I know you have a million

796
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,960
quote minds by the way, which are all a lot of content.

797
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,760
That's not the argument. Temporal supremacy what stated and on

798
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,880
him sanctum. You have to believe in the temporal supremacy

799
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:13,039
also to be saved. Can you follow this argument? Yep?

800
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:19,199
Speaker 3: What up?

801
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

802
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,599
Speaker 3: I have a quick joke, bro.

803
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 13: Did you notice that, like towards the end of the debate,

804
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,280
Tim started looking like slim Shitty.

805
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 3: From eight Mile.

806
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: Maybe he was trying to he went full like Fred

807
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,480
durst hat with NBA. I don't know what, and I.

808
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 3: Was the only one who noticed it.

809
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,199
Speaker 1: I think the reason he put on the hoodie and

810
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:45,119
stuff is because it was freezing cold in there, like

811
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:51,000
Elijah keeps it like insanely cold, like Alex Jones.

812
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 13: But one other thing too, you know, for just just

813
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,159
so people have some.

814
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: Some some game out there.

815
00:53:59,159 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: Never trust some.

816
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 13: With the soul patch the size of Pluto.

817
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,159
Speaker 1: But look, I mean on a personal level, Tim has

818
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:09,000
always been cool. We get along great. We went out

819
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,000
to dinner the next day. I took his family out

820
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:17,880
to barbecue and we ended up getting caught in a

821
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,719
rush of people, so we had to sit there and

822
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,239
talk for about an hour, and then our we had

823
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,360
there's a storm came and the order got delayed because

824
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,039
it was massive, like lunchtime, so we ended up having

825
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:31,480
to wait another two hours to eat. So I spent

826
00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:34,119
basically all day with Tim yesterday during the day so

827
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:36,400
I hung out with him and his family.

828
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 5: Again.

829
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:41,039
Speaker 1: We've done this before. We always go out to barbecue, uh,

830
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:45,400
and we get along fine, We have a great rapport conversation.

831
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,400
I just don't think that when it comes to these topics.

832
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,719
First of all, I don't think there's any incentive really

833
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,760
for him to want to understand the Orthodox positions, Like

834
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,960
it's too much of a massive crushing blow if you're

835
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:05,039
identity is wrapped up in Rome to really commit years

836
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,480
of reading Orthodox material. And that's kind of unfortunately what

837
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:11,719
it takes if you actually want to understand Orthodox position,

838
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,039
it's gonna take time. Like you're not gonna solve these

839
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:18,079
issues by reading a Catholic answer as quote mind and

840
00:55:18,119 --> 00:55:22,639
an Orthodox quote mind. They're really complex issues. That's why

841
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:25,280
I try to take it into like the most non

842
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:30,480
complex kind of clear stuff. Like it's really hard to

843
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:35,199
demonstrate to most people that Jesus set up a spiritual

844
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,719
pastor who's also a world emperor. Withstanding armies. That's difficult

845
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,800
to demonstrate because it's crazy and they know that. And

846
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,760
that's why I think it's one of the strongest arguments,

847
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,639
because not only was it not there in the first

848
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,440
thousand years, and it's backed up by forgeries. Admittedly in

849
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,960
the second millennium, it's now no longer part of their

850
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,159
faith and dogma stuff. You don't have to believe that.

851
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:03,119
In more talk Vaticans who rejects this idea. So that's

852
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:04,840
really hard to make sense of. And that's why he

853
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,800
has to handwave it and say it's a discipline. It's

854
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,679
it's about faith and morals and salvation. That's not disciplinary

855
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,559
if it's literally a dogma necessary for salvation according to

856
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:17,719
when I'm signed to him and then for the next

857
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:23,519
nine hundred years, And why would this not be true

858
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:40,519
in the first thousand years? Drago? What's up? Drego on mute, Jimmy,

859
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:41,719
you hit me? Yep?

860
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:43,679
Speaker 14: Oh.

861
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to be a mean or anything.

862
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:50,119
Speaker 15: I want to ask you, Uh, who's your favorite favorite

863
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:50,880
civil character?

864
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: And what's your opinion on the story Final Fantasy seven? Well,

865
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,880
that's the thing, as I was saying the other day,

866
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,599
I didn't realize there's a sequel, so when I'm off

867
00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:04,079
of my video game fast, I'm actually looking forward to

868
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:08,840
playing Final Fantasy seven Rebirth. I didn't realize this that

869
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,519
they made a sequel to Final Fantasy seven, So I'm

870
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,639
not even sure what to say about this one. It

871
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:16,239
looks fun. I mean, it looks like a lot of

872
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,079
you know, kind of the same stuff and the other remake.

873
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:23,280
But we'll have to see, all right, so let's talk

874
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,280
about we get some more super jow Excuse me, it

875
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,719
looks like it's going to be fun. I mean, it

876
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:31,880
seems like nowadays like video games are hard. It's hard

877
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,360
to find good ones, like they're getting woke and fake

878
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,679
and gay. So I wanted to do a little bit

879
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:41,800
of a refresher on the papal geopolitical stuff because that

880
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,760
was something I said in the closing of the debate.

881
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,880
Let me see if I can reiterate what I said,

882
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,599
because I think a lot of people said they liked

883
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,960
the closing statement, and I didn't even really think about

884
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,719
it being that. I just kind of impromptu said what

885
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:06,840
into my head. So here's what I said at the closing.

886
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,840
Let me grab a book while you listen to this.

887
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,199
The claims of Vatican One. For example, we've read satist Cognitum,

888
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,519
which is of the thirteenth description and definition of what

889
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:20,039
is supposed to be understood in terms of people supremacy.

890
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:23,920
Sathist Cognedum says that it has always, at all times

891
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,320
been understood that the Roman Sea had the claims that

892
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,320
Vatican One has about it. So, in other words, there's

893
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,840
no development of doctrine. According to Satist Cognedum, it is

894
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:40,280
clearly that the Roman Sea was indefectible, infallible, and had

895
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,599
universal jurisdiction. Now he likes to say that, well, I

896
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:48,599
don't have to accept these statements from the Kady document

897
00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:52,280
because well, it's just not infallible. Of course, there is

898
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,159
no epistemic criteria for the Roman Catholic or what is

899
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:59,719
actually infallible, because Tim knows that it's more than just

900
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,800
a few exca theater statements. You also have to believe

901
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:08,000
all the dogmatic teachings in the ordinary Universal Magisterium. And

902
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:10,679
in fact, there's a whole list of I'll give you

903
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:14,519
the guys the list of these. You can look them

904
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,840
up yourselves. Wouldn't have time to go through him Dinsinger

905
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,280
sixteen eighty three, Dinzinger sixteen ninety eight, Dinsinger seventeen ninety two,

906
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,119
Castie KENUBII one O four all say that position is condemned.

907
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:29,599
If you say you only follow the ex cathedral magisterial statements,

908
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:32,079
that is a condemned proposition. And it's funny because you

909
00:59:32,119 --> 00:59:34,440
actually heard him seem to be arguing that tonight now

910
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,719
in regard to just let let them let him conclude,

911
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:43,039
please please, right, please four hours, because because universal ordinary

912
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,920
magisterial teaching would be much broader and would bind him

913
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,639
and everyone else to a whole bunch other of other things.

914
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:50,760
And that's precisely what the point of attican one was

915
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,079
to say. Now, all I needed was one dogmatic contradiction,

916
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:58,800
which I think we saw with the geopolitical power claims

917
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,760
that were necessary for South for nine hundred years. He said, Oh,

918
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,159
it's just a discipline. That's his way to get around

919
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,400
this doctrinal contradiction. But again, I will go back to

920
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:11,559
the famous instance that Ubi brought up to Ibarro, which

921
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,599
Abarro didn't have an answer to, and which I will

922
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:19,519
reassert again from the papacy. In the Orthodox Pope Virgilius

923
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,719
submitted to the Ecumenical Council because he was threatened with

924
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,320
excommunication and removal from the Diptychs, and that's where he landed.

925
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,639
That's where he ended up. That's why Virgilius is such

926
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:35,440
a strong argument against the claim that Jesus instituted this

927
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:39,559
universal supremacy that was from all times, at all times, everywhere,

928
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,639
infallible and defectible from the earliest days. That's what he

929
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:46,639
has to prove. That's why he was deflecting into these

930
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:52,239
passages that don't actually prove that. They prove merely that

931
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,719
there's those passages which can be read in an Orthodox

932
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sense or in a Roman Catholic sense. He has a

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system that he has to defend on that. I'm not

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arguing that the passages, by the way, are relative or relativistic,

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like we don't know what the passages mean. You can

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read them in it either way. That's not what I'm saying.

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What I mean by that is both the Orthodox and

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the caloch paradigms accept those verses, but they give them

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different interpretations. So the question isn't some sort of like

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self evident meaning in the text, right, which is weird

941
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because they're treating these texts like Protestants do, like, well,

942
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it's just self evident that that's what the text means, right,

943
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Matthew sixteen clearly means Vatican One. That's all the isogesis

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and stuff that that they're assuming. We don't have that view.

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The majority of the Church fathers, by the way, according

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to Edward Denny in his book Papalism, didn't interpret those

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texts about Peter and his Keys. In fact, it's not

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until the fourth century that Matthew sixteen is for the

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first time used of the papacy itself of the Roman Sea,

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So it takes many centuries before that idea is even used,

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which is very late for their line of argumentation. In fact,

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if that's what the passages meant, it would been there

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from the first, second, third, fourth century. It wouldn't have

954
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been Popdamasis that was one of the first to make

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the argument that Matthew sixteen is about the office of Peter.

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And I'm not granting that even calling it about the

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office of Peter in Matthew sixteen that that necessarily eve

958
01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:17,280
improves the Vatican One text, because all those things can

959
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,760
still be read in an Orthodox way and are completely

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compatible with Orthodox theology. That's what I'm trying to say,

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is like they're just assuming that the passages prove the

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totality of the papal claims when none of that is

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present in the text of Matthew sixteen or Luke or John.

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That's called is of Jesus. He tried to say that

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it's all coherence theory, or so I don't hold to

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01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,679
secular coherence theory. So he doesn't know what he's talking about.

967
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The position only requires one contradiction for the whole thing

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to fall apart. And you can read the most recent

969
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:54,440
Richard Price text on the case of Thegilius and when

970
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:57,679
Richard Price was on Reason in Theology and they interviewed

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01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:00,360
him a few years ago and he said that the

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pope did not have universal jurisdiction in the first millennium. Now,

973
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let me play you that clip because it's one of

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my favorites. Because they tried to downplay They may have

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even deleted it. I don't know, but I'm going to

976
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play you the clip where Richard Price is on with

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Lofton and Ibarra and he admits this. Now, Price is

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the one that has done the translations of the ecumenical

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councils recently. That's why that book matters. And here once

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01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,039
again is the one of our favorite quotes to clips

981
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to play over here where this gaggle of overweight idiots

982
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is interviewing this gay man.

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Speaker 16: Why did the bishops and caalcid On feel they needed

984
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to judge theodor it if Leo had already reinstated.

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Speaker 9: Him, Well, they didn't. They didn't recognize Roman jurisdiction in

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01:03:56,039 --> 01:04:02,719
the Eastern provinces, so it is reinstating for that was

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not decisive. The decision has to be made in the East.

988
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:22,840
The odor exposition of the council is an interesting one.

989
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:33,079
Didn't they They didn't. They didn't recognize Roman jurisdiction in

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01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:35,400
the Eastern provinces.

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Speaker 1: So that's father was surprise. The scholar that's translated the

992
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:44,119
acts of the Council's Roman Catholic scholar. They ask him, Hey,

993
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:47,159
there's some of these Orthodox challenges that don't make sense

994
01:04:47,159 --> 01:04:49,159
with the Vatican Idea one, idea of the pay see

995
01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:52,480
the first millennium. What does he say, Oh, that's because

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01:04:52,519 --> 01:04:55,000
there was no Vatican one universal jurisdiction in the first

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01:04:55,039 --> 01:05:00,760
millennium and the East didn't accept that. Oops. Oops, now

998
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:05,360
you notice that all of this stuff, they're so dishonest,

999
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,920
they ignore, suppress, try to delete and handwave all this stuff.

1000
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:15,800
It's insane. Just like the Chiady document says the pope

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01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,480
did not have universal jurisdiction in the first millennium. That

1002
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:22,760
means Vatican one is false, and that's why Virgilius disproves

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the papacy. And there's many more. Honorius, what two minutes,

1004
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:30,000
We're done? Okay, there's many more. There's also the case

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01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,679
of Honorius. Honorius is not just condemned because he supposedly

1006
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:38,039
fibbed or failed to condemnse It's actually because he wrote

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01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:40,840
a letter to a bishop. So notice the status of

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01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,639
the text. It wasn't ex cathedral, it wasn't magisterium. Is

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01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:46,280
a letter to a bishop where he affirmed monothelitism, and

1010
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,719
he was successively condemned by in the East three councils,

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01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:54,400
including the Sabbath Ecumenical Council. So Honorious becomes a heretic explicitly.

1012
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,039
Most Roman Catholics, except for a few, will admit this

1013
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,159
now today. But that means that the pope isn't the

1014
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,159
indefectible and yet badikan One claims that the See of

1015
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:07,280
Peter is indefectible. It is never failing in its truth

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01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,800
and in its faith. And yet tonight we've seen, in

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01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,000
just a handful of examples, and I can give many,

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01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:16,159
many more, that it is in fact failing. And that's

1019
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:19,280
why we don't put our hope in a geopolitical world

1020
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,639
ruler which now calls for open borders and all of that.

1021
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,360
Who used to say you had to believe in his

1022
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,400
Quisatsak Lisa on Algie powers to be saved, Now you

1023
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,360
don't have to believe. It's just a discipline handwave it. No, no, no,

1024
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:35,000
The Papacy people didn't get my joke. Quisa is from Dune.

1025
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It's the universe is super being. Paula Trede's right, he's

1026
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,320
believed to be the Lisa on al Gayib that was

1027
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,239
the joke. Is a geopolitical tool. And if you go

1028
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,320
to my channel and watch all of my old videos,

1029
01:06:46,519 --> 01:06:48,760
you can find the lectures where I've walked through David

1030
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:53,000
Wimhoff's excellent book showing that the CIA also bought into

1031
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:56,159
and helped to buy out the Papacy through Operation Gladio.

1032
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,360
There's multiple texts from multiple Roman Catholics. What are we

1033
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,239
looking at with the papacy. Is it really a center

1034
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,920
of unity or is it a tool of inclusive capitalism,

1035
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:10,119
socialism or economic forum. All the stuff that you see

1036
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,480
got to continue promoting with the internationalism, a new world order,

1037
01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:17,079
et cetera, explicitly in the church in the modern war.

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01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:18,440
We're going to look at some of these texts. That's

1039
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,519
what the papacy actually is. The papacy is not your friend.

1040
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,760
It is a spiritual cancer, and it does not produce

1041
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:30,559
the thing that it claims to produce, unity, holiness and truth. Yeah,

1042
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:36,679
the papacy promotes open borders, blesses gay unions, blesses them

1043
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,840
as couples, as the text said, not marriages. Gay union

1044
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,400
couples are blessed now in the Roman Gallic Church. If

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01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,800
you come up to the freeze of then you can

1046
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,480
be blessed. That's what the text says. The text actually

1047
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:51,840
contradicts it themselves. So when Roman Catholics are presented with this,

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01:07:52,039 --> 01:07:54,360
who doesn't say, though, who says that they can't be married?

1049
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,360
It says they can be blessed. It is now an

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01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,599
open possibility in the Roman Caelloic Church. That's what the

1051
01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:02,320
text says, And it also tries to walk it back,

1052
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:10,880
so that's just a contradiction. What's up, man, I'm mute, actual,

1053
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:11,360
I'm mute.

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01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:17,319
Speaker 3: Okay, Hello, what's up? Yeah? I wanted to ask you

1055
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:19,920
a question. I probably should have just looked forward, but

1056
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I figured out.

1057
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 2: Asked, do you have any I'm inquiring by it?

1058
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 16: Do you have any debates with any.

1059
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 15: Coptics or any Assyrians or anything like that, or do

1060
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,439
you just debate Catholics mainly?

1061
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,079
Speaker 1: We have a series that we're working through. Uh, we've

1062
01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:38,159
done three installments of it refuting we're into Orthodoxy, and

1063
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:41,000
David Urhan's already had all those debates five six years ago.

1064
01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:45,479
So look up me and David Urhan. Pastor. What's up, pastor?

1065
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,199
Speaker 3: I'm mute, Hey, what's up? How are you doing? Man? Good?

1066
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,119
Speaker 17: So I have a question because I'm sure you've seen it,

1067
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:02,760
you know, throughout this entire app right, a lot of

1068
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,560
Orthodox Christians, I was Orthodox for a long time or

1069
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:11,199
trying to syncretize Orthodoxy with you know, racialism and national socialism.

1070
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,960
So I wanted to understand what your position on that

1071
01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:17,880
is Orthodox Christians being racist, being white supremacist, and being

1072
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,079
national socialists.

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01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll bet you are. I'll bet you were Orthodox. Sure,

1074
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,239
I've never met an Orthodox person that's national socialist. That's ridiculous.

1075
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,119
You're gonna have a really hard time convincing Russian people

1076
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,279
who went to war against uh tiny mustache man to

1077
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,079
be national socialists. That was like a that looked like

1078
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:48,920
a FED profile. That was total bullshit. Anyway, So let's

1079
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,199
move on. Then you can still call in if you disagree.

1080
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,520
I get spot a FED right away. Doesn't work provocateur

1081
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,199
age problem. Let's talk about this document that we don't

1082
01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:02,359
usually talk about out and when we get into Vatican two,

1083
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:06,840
and this one is overlooked, and it is the Gaudium

1084
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:13,439
at Spece document the Church and the Modern World. And

1085
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:18,439
we're going to look at paragraph twelve because this one

1086
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,039
is overlooked because everybody focuses on and it's not wrong

1087
01:10:21,079 --> 01:10:22,840
because it's kind of the easiest thing to go to,

1088
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,560
to go to like the jew to go to the

1089
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:29,159
doctrinal issues, the liturgical issues, the worship issues, right like

1090
01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:32,079
praying together with Muslims and all this Muslims can be

1091
01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:35,199
saved as Muslims, all the nonsense that we find a

1092
01:10:35,239 --> 01:10:40,199
Vatican two. But there's this other document called Gaudium at Spez,

1093
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:42,000
which has to do with the Church in the modern

1094
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,920
world in terms of geopolitics, believe it or not, and

1095
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:51,000
it's as wild, but it's in more of a it's

1096
01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:54,279
not in a dogmatic context, even though it's full of

1097
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:59,880
total socialist nonsense. The dignity of the human person. Noticed

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01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,560
that Catholic humanism. This is something that John Paul the

1099
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,359
Second and a lot of his books tried to promote.

1100
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:07,079
I've read a lot of John Paul the second stuff,

1101
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,079
a lot of his homilies and a lot of his

1102
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,319
encyclicals were very notorious for this idea that man is

1103
01:11:14,359 --> 01:11:17,199
the center of everything. It's very bizarre. But actually, when

1104
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:19,119
we think about Vatican two, it's gonna make a lot

1105
01:11:19,159 --> 01:11:22,399
of sense. So this is a really weird statement here.

1106
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:28,119
According to unanimous opinion of believers and unbelievers, all things

1107
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:31,119
on earth should be related to man as their center

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01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:35,000
in their crown. What First of all, why are we

1109
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:36,920
we're not doing we don't do our theology in our

1110
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:43,800
geopolitics on popular opinion, like this is some kind of weird, Like, oh,

1111
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,279
because everybody agrees on those Number one, they don't agree

1112
01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:49,199
on that, And why do we care in the in

1113
01:11:49,239 --> 01:11:51,960
the Church, in Christianity, what the unbelievers are saying we

1114
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:56,119
should do. I mean, that's preposterous. But I mean even

1115
01:11:56,119 --> 01:12:00,079
more preposterous is the idea that in Christianity christ and

1116
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,000
especially Orthodox Christianity, man is the center, in the crown

1117
01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:08,399
of all reality. I mean, that's just insane, weird humanism.

1118
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,399
That is just completely false. In fact, there is a

1119
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:15,640
papal document called Quas Primus that was actually written to

1120
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:22,319
counteract the idea that society should be organized around the

1121
01:12:22,359 --> 01:12:24,920
doctrine of man as its center and crown. So it's

1122
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,640
actually been specifically condemned. It's kind of a man worship,

1123
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,319
and it's a secular idea of social theory. It's not

1124
01:12:32,359 --> 01:12:36,000
just pluralism. It's like rabid secularism, and it's patently false.

1125
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,399
Christians and un Christians agree that man is the center

1126
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:45,920
and crown of all activities on earth. It sounds like Antichrist.

1127
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:49,600
It's insane. Now don't worry, though, because it's gonna get

1128
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,039
just as it's gonna get even crazier as we move

1129
01:12:52,119 --> 01:13:04,000
through this bizarre document. Let's see's there's a weird statement

1130
01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:15,039
on conscience. Here's a weird there's a lot of social justice,

1131
01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:17,640
like socialism in this document, which is why it's really

1132
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,720
bizarre and dangerous, and it actually if you don't know

1133
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,079
John the twenty third, who was, you know, believed to

1134
01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:28,800
be sort of a Rosicrucian Masonic pope. He's the one

1135
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,920
that's called the you know, the guy that calls Vatican two.

1136
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There was concern at that time by the CIA that

1137
01:13:35,279 --> 01:13:37,159
he might be He's called the pink O Pope, and

1138
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:40,760
so the CIA tried to establish a lot of discussions

1139
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,960
and alliances with him, but then they were a lot

1140
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,760
more successful with Paul six. So Paul the six was

1141
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,439
far more closely aligned with the CIA. John the twenty

1142
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,279
third actually wanted to open up the Roman Catholic world

1143
01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:56,920
in church to the Soviet Union, and he spoke about

1144
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,279
this very openly. Hints why he was called the pink Pope.

1145
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,600
But he wrote a famous and cyclic well Patchum in

1146
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,279
Terrorists which had to do with opening the church up

1147
01:14:04,319 --> 01:14:09,079
to the geopolitics of secularism and the United Nations, and

1148
01:14:09,119 --> 01:14:13,520
it actually calls for the creation of international institutions to

1149
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:18,479
redistribute wealth, et cetera. So it's a very heavily socialist document.

1150
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:24,920
And what's fascinating is that Vatican two further aligns itself

1151
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:27,760
in the Gaudium at Spest document, which everybody overlooks and

1152
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,640
disagrees or ignores, or they're not even aware of it,

1153
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:35,159
they never read it is actually extremely socialist United Nations

1154
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:40,399
globalist document. Here's another weird. I guess you could call

1155
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:44,479
this anti colonial sort of indigenous propaganda. Listen to this one.

1156
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,640
This is wild. It says our era needs the wisdom

1157
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,399
of bygone ages if the discoveries made by Manner to

1158
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,399
be further humanized, for the future of the world stands

1159
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,399
in peril unless wiser men are forthcoming. It should be

1160
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:06,119
pointed out that poor nations are rich in wisdom and

1161
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:10,439
can offer the advantages to the others. When a black

1162
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:15,159
nation is speaking, you sit in silence, you learn from them.

1163
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,680
I just thought this one's funny because it's just that

1164
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,960
kind of like, you know, anti colonial woke speak all

1165
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,079
the way back in the nineteen sixties and the Vatican

1166
01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:28,079
two documents. It's just a funny one that use so

1167
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,399
all these trads and all these people who want to

1168
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,840
act like they're based right and then like their own

1169
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:42,159
documents are literally just wood bullshit. The next weird statement.

1170
01:15:42,199 --> 01:15:54,560
Let's see what the next weird one is. I think

1171
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:59,239
it's this one human community. Chapter two. Now, this one

1172
01:15:59,319 --> 01:16:02,439
is a theological mistake. I don't know if you're familiar

1173
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:07,960
with this one, but this one's very subtle. But I

1174
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,720
want you guys to look for the theological error on.

1175
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,319
I'm not going to say what it's on, and I

1176
01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:15,560
want you to see if you can figure it out.

1177
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,920
Paragraph twenty four. I'm going to read it, and then

1178
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,800
I want to look at the chat to see who

1179
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,600
can figure out the mistake here. God, who has fatherly

1180
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,279
concerned for everyone, has willed all men should constitute one

1181
01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:29,199
family and treat one another in a spirit of brotherhood. Well,

1182
01:16:29,239 --> 01:16:32,159
first of all, that's actually not true, because the Church

1183
01:16:32,319 --> 01:16:35,800
is the restored new humanity. This is actually taking what's

1184
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,239
true about the Church and applying it to civilization as

1185
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:42,640
a whole. The brotherhood of man, which you could say, yeah,

1186
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,159
in a sense, all men and Adam are brothers, but

1187
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:48,319
that it doesn't follow from that that God wants there

1188
01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:52,800
to be an international, one nation brotherhood of men. That's

1189
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,960
a masonic goal. It says all men are created the

1190
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,319
image of God. That's all good, etc. They're all called

1191
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:02,520
to the same goal God himself. That's correct. Now listen

1192
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,319
to this. For this reason, love of God and of

1193
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:11,680
neighbor is the first commandment and greatest commandment. Did you

1194
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,279
hear that? For this reason, love for God and neighbor

1195
01:17:15,399 --> 01:17:19,880
is the first and greatest commandment. Anyone noticed the theological error?

1196
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:20,079
Speaker 3: There?

1197
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,119
Speaker 1: Give the proof? What line in the book? We're literally

1198
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:32,479
reading the text on the screen, you idiot? Where's the

1199
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:37,680
proof on the freaking screen? Who notices the theological error

1200
01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:46,119
in this statement of God? Imitzpez anybody? I'm looking in

1201
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:48,239
the chat and I'm waiting. I think the chats a

1202
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:53,640
little bit behind. So when uh shake Shamun, I think

1203
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,720
you got it. Let's see what We're gonna keep going

1204
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:02,960
to see if anybody else gets it? Does nobody know

1205
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,760
what the first and greatest commandment is? Come on, guys, Orthodox,

1206
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,000
leo God it look at that. See Orthodox people love

1207
01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:13,039
and know their Bible exactly. The first commandment is to

1208
01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:16,279
love the Lord your God. The second commandment relates to

1209
01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:20,800
man right and your neighbor is So no, love for

1210
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,920
God and neighbor is not the first and greatest commandment.

1211
01:18:24,079 --> 01:18:27,600
So I'm not. Let's see now, it is true that

1212
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,159
like Catholics kind of number the Ten Commandments a little

1213
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:38,920
bit different. But let's look at the ten commandments. The

1214
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:46,680
first commandment, as we all know, I think, right, you

1215
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:55,319
shall have no other gods. So this slip up cleverly

1216
01:18:55,680 --> 01:19:00,800
inserts the love of man into the first commandment of

1217
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,960
the love of God. A very odd, bizarre, basic mistake,

1218
01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:08,800
but it actually makes sense in a document that is

1219
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:15,000
trying to replace the premiacy of God with a Catholic humanism,

1220
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:19,439
which is ultimately just humanism. Hence, the document pushes the

1221
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,479
brotherhood of man. The document pushes the idea that man

1222
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,000
is the center and crown of all of society, which

1223
01:19:25,039 --> 01:19:28,760
is just absolutely bizarre. But it gets even worse as

1224
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,840
we move on. These are just some of the weird ones.

1225
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,399
Let's look at paragraph forty two, which I did mention

1226
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:41,000
in the debate, but I'm going to show you specifically

1227
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:50,359
one of the most egregious contradictions in Catholic dogma right here,

1228
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,560
What does the church offer to society? This is paragraph

1229
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,239
forty two in the document. The union of the human

1230
01:19:57,319 --> 01:20:01,000
family is only found in Christ, the family of God's

1231
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,880
sons Okay, that's true. That sounds good. Christ gave to

1232
01:20:05,079 --> 01:20:09,520
his church, gave his church no proper mission in the political, economic,

1233
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:17,520
or social order. Interesting, no political social mission. Is that

1234
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,319
the classic teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. Now wait

1235
01:20:20,319 --> 01:20:24,119
a minute, let's come over here to Unum sanctum about

1236
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:29,279
nine hundred years earlier, and we're going to read this

1237
01:20:29,319 --> 01:20:34,439
famous paragraph that I'm always referring to. For according to

1238
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,760
the Blessed Dionysius, it is a law of divinity that

1239
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:43,479
the lowest things are reached the highest things by intermediaries. Therefore,

1240
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:45,720
according to this the universe all things are not led

1241
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:50,520
back equally immediately, but the lowest by their intermediary. The

1242
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,720
acceptance of the power itself by government. All right, So

1243
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:59,079
he's talking about spiritual and political power. It belongs to

1244
01:20:59,119 --> 01:21:04,760
the spiritual power to establish the terrestrial earthly power. The

1245
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:10,560
papacy is superior to and establishes that's importal Thus it

1246
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,920
is accomplished. Thus has accomplished the prophecy of Jeremiah. In

1247
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,279
other words, they're taking Jeremiah's prophecy about Jesus and now

1248
01:21:17,319 --> 01:21:20,039
applying it to the papacy. The papacy is the king

1249
01:21:20,079 --> 01:21:22,000
of kings, Lord of lords, I have placed you over

1250
01:21:22,079 --> 01:21:25,000
nations and over kings. So notice what they do. Something

1251
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,199
that is a prophecy that Jeremiah makes about Jesus. It's

1252
01:21:28,199 --> 01:21:30,600
actually about the papacy being king of kings. You can't

1253
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,239
make this up. Therefore, if the terrestrial power, and this

1254
01:21:34,359 --> 01:21:37,079
is in the midst of controversies with kings, if the

1255
01:21:37,159 --> 01:21:41,239
king errors, it's the pope that is the superior. Now

1256
01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:42,960
in the word of our church, yes, we definitely agree

1257
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,680
that the church is superior, but it doesn't follow from

1258
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:51,319
that that the papacy is therefore a world ruler. And

1259
01:21:51,359 --> 01:21:54,960
that's the purpose of this document, right. It goes on

1260
01:21:55,079 --> 01:21:58,279
to say, because whatever you on earth will be bound

1261
01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:01,920
in heaven. Notice how Matthew sixteen is now being used

1262
01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:04,760
not just for a spiritual power and authority in the

1263
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,680
Roman sense of the sea and the papacy spiritually, it's

1264
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:14,199
now being applied to world power and kingdoms and armies.

1265
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,000
I'm not joking. The papacy gets a standing army a

1266
01:22:18,039 --> 01:22:25,920
couple centuries after this. We thus we declare, proclaim to

1267
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,560
find absolutely necessary for salvation every human creature be subject

1268
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,399
to the Roman pontiff. Both spiritually and temporally. That's the

1269
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,479
purpose of this document. Go read it. It's called when

1270
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,119
I'm sunk them. Now. Roman Catholics are not very smart,

1271
01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:40,880
and every time I bring this up, they can't hear,

1272
01:22:41,079 --> 01:22:44,680
apparently or understand what I'm arguing. They always think that

1273
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:50,000
I'm arguing that there's no authority of the pope. I

1274
01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:56,239
specifically said the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop. So

1275
01:22:56,399 --> 01:22:58,560
I know it's hard for you guys to follow arguments,

1276
01:22:59,279 --> 01:23:02,880
but listen to what I'm saying. I'm not even caring

1277
01:23:03,039 --> 01:23:07,119
about the Matthew sixteen spiritual power at the moment. Let's

1278
01:23:07,119 --> 01:23:10,680
set that aside. Whatever you think about it. I'm making

1279
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:14,359
a specific argument separate from that about that. You must

1280
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,840
also accept that the pope is a world emperor to

1281
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,760
be saved. That is what this document is arguing, and

1282
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:27,119
that continues all the way up into the time of

1283
01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:29,600
Pious the ninth the Vatican One in the Syllabus of Errors,

1284
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,239
where it is condemned at that time as well. That

1285
01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:36,199
you that you can't reject. If you reject this document,

1286
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:39,520
it's condemned, or this doctrine of temporal supremacy. It is

1287
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:45,880
a condemned idea is everybody following me. This shouldn't be

1288
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,199
that controversial. If you want me to get the syllabus

1289
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:51,279
of errors out, I can. I can tell you which

1290
01:23:51,319 --> 01:23:56,119
one it is. I've cided it in the debate here.

1291
01:23:56,119 --> 01:23:58,000
I'll get it because I know people in this signagement

1292
01:23:58,079 --> 01:24:07,960
is too stupid. Yeah, TI about the Roman count godiness.

1293
01:24:08,279 --> 01:24:12,640
So let's go back to the syllabus of errors. The rumm.

1294
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,359
Guys don't even know what these documents are. They never

1295
01:24:14,359 --> 01:24:37,479
read them. Syllabus of Errors seventy six. This is pi

1296
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,000
Us the ninth in eighteen sixty four, So we're basically

1297
01:24:40,039 --> 01:24:46,399
nine hundred years ahead of the original Dictatus pope statement.

1298
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,880
And then we're I don't know, six hundred five hundred

1299
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,119
years later after when I'm signed to them in the

1300
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:54,560
thirteen hundreds. And we're gonna look at that paragraphs seventy six.

1301
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:02,920
This position is condemned. It has been wisely decided by

1302
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,720
law in some Catholic churches that person's coming to reside.

1303
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,560
Excuse me that seventy eight seventy six. The abolition of

1304
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,600
the temporal power of the Roman see the Apostolic sea

1305
01:25:13,119 --> 01:25:16,399
would contribute to liberty and prosperity of the Church. We

1306
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,640
should get rid of the temporal power the pope as

1307
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:27,000
a world ruler and geopolitical emperor. It's condemned. Are you

1308
01:25:27,039 --> 01:25:32,479
idiots following me? Can you follow this basic argument? Okay?

1309
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:36,159
When I'm Sanctum thirteen eighty two or thirteen oh two,

1310
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:38,760
excuse me, you gotta believe in it to be saved.

1311
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,520
Temporal power, not just spiritual power, temporal power all the

1312
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,439
way up to Syllabus of errors. If you don't believe

1313
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,479
in the temporal power, even in the eighteen hundreds, you're condemned.

1314
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:52,840
It's a condemned proposition right there by the Vatican. But

1315
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:56,520
wait a minute. When I read Gaudium at Spez the

1316
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:00,399
Church of the modern World, it says Christ never gave

1317
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:04,279
to the Church any political, economic, or social mission or order.

1318
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,800
Is that clear enough? Roman Catholics? Do you see that?

1319
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:15,199
Is that clear enough? Do you want me to go

1320
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:17,239
through it one more time for you? And it's just

1321
01:26:17,279 --> 01:26:20,760
so hard for people, literally mad. I make this argument

1322
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,199
all the time. I was reading comments underneath these these

1323
01:26:24,279 --> 01:26:27,399
videos and these clips, and every time it never fails

1324
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:31,399
on Instagram YouTube. Roman Catholics think that I'm arguing that

1325
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:36,359
there's no power of the papacy spiritually. They don't understand

1326
01:26:36,359 --> 01:26:38,520
the difference between the spiritual and the temporal. This is

1327
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:42,039
the two powers theory of the Middle Ages. Okay, when

1328
01:26:42,039 --> 01:26:46,119
I'm sicked them is very clear that Rome says, yes,

1329
01:26:46,279 --> 01:26:49,720
you can talk about two powers, but the Pope has

1330
01:26:50,039 --> 01:26:54,119
both and is superior in both, and you must believe

1331
01:26:54,479 --> 01:27:03,039
that to be saved. Clear as day. Contradiction, Vatican two says,

1332
01:27:03,159 --> 01:27:09,319
Jesus never gave his church any political, economic, or social mission.

1333
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:16,880
I can't think of something more clear than that. And

1334
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:22,359
if you can't see that, enjoy being romancalvit. Have fun

1335
01:27:22,399 --> 01:27:29,279
with that. Now moving on, because gody Mesves is a

1336
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:42,920
treasure trove of weird humanism, bizarre statements. We'll look at

1337
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:46,640
another one of these in paragraph fifty three, and you're

1338
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:50,800
going to notice this trend of humanism that we already saw.

1339
01:27:54,319 --> 01:27:57,640
By the way this going through, this also shows you

1340
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:02,920
the sense and attitude that Vatican to had about secular

1341
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:07,960
culture and de christianizing the Christian states. That's what this

1342
01:28:08,079 --> 01:28:14,119
further demonstrates, which further proves a complete change in dogma

1343
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:18,359
on Catholic social teaching. Here's another one, of these bizarre

1344
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:28,399
humanist statements man comes to a truefull humanity only through culture. Well, actually,

1345
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:32,279
that doesn't make any sense, because you have human nature

1346
01:28:32,279 --> 01:28:35,039
and you're a human person from the womb. You're not

1347
01:28:35,119 --> 01:28:38,359
a potential person. That's a bizarre language because usually people

1348
01:28:38,399 --> 01:28:40,760
that believe that you're not a person until you're a

1349
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,239
certain age, which is what people who are who are

1350
01:28:43,279 --> 01:28:47,359
pro a Bobo argue. That's a pro a Bobo line

1351
01:28:47,399 --> 01:28:50,520
of argmentation. If you're not familiar, that is, through the

1352
01:28:50,560 --> 01:29:00,159
civilization cultivation of the goods and values of nature, it

1353
01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:06,279
is only true and full humanity, which is by means

1354
01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:09,359
of culture. Okay, and then now we're going to compare

1355
01:29:09,399 --> 01:29:12,560
this to what said in paragraph fifty five, because this

1356
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:18,720
is about this supposed culture. From day to day, in

1357
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,439
every group, in every nation, there is an increase in

1358
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,159
the number of men and women who are conscious that

1359
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:26,439
they are themselves authors and otisans of the culture of

1360
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,319
their community. Throughout the whole world, there is a mounting

1361
01:29:29,359 --> 01:29:33,760
increase in the sense of autonomy as well as responsibility.

1362
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:37,119
This is of paramount importance for the spiritual moral maturity

1363
01:29:37,159 --> 01:29:39,279
of the human race. It becomes more clear if we

1364
01:29:39,319 --> 01:29:43,760
consider that the unification of the world and the duty

1365
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,720
imposed upon us will be a better built world upon

1366
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:54,239
truth and justice. So you are only made fully human

1367
01:29:56,079 --> 01:30:03,720
through human culture, and this only occurs when we unify

1368
01:30:04,079 --> 01:30:13,920
the world. Interesting, now, what is this all about? Well,

1369
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:21,640
in paragraph fifty five, thus we are witnessing the birth

1370
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:30,520
of a new humanism exactly nWo talk. In other words,

1371
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:37,239
remember the French Revolution, all the philosoph verbiage. This is

1372
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:41,560
French Revolution, Masonic philosoph verbiage. If you've read those texts,

1373
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:46,920
and I have studied them in grad school, did you

1374
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,479
not hear me multiple times say it's a new kind

1375
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,680
of humanism? What does the text say? Right there? A

1376
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:58,039
new humanism is born, one in which man is defined

1377
01:30:58,199 --> 01:31:02,800
first of all by responsibility to God. No, no, no, no no.

1378
01:31:05,319 --> 01:31:07,399
Remember what we saw about the rewarding of the first

1379
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:15,359
and greatest commandment? What was the rewarding responsibility first of

1380
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:22,760
all to other men? You're only fully human, You're only

1381
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:26,079
fully of man. Your number one responsibility is to the

1382
01:31:26,119 --> 01:31:30,880
society of man. That is straight up socialism and Marxism, right,

1383
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,640
that's Marxism socialism. One on one, you achieve your full

1384
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:39,520
maturation as a person and as an individual in the collective,

1385
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:46,079
because you're responsible to the collective. The number one responsibility

1386
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:49,800
that you have in this new humanism isn't to God

1387
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:52,600
with the rewarding of the first Commandment. It is to

1388
01:31:52,640 --> 01:32:01,680
what to all other men, to humanity. Wow, man, the

1389
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:10,880
autonomous author of his own culture. Wow. Now you think, okay,

1390
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,439
that's pretty bad. Well, guess what. It gets even worse

1391
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:21,960
because with all of those French revolutionary socialist arguments laid down. Again,

1392
01:32:22,039 --> 01:32:24,239
this is not new and Vatican two. It's actually in

1393
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,800
Pacumin Teras John the twenty third and cyclical on these things.

1394
01:32:30,319 --> 01:32:34,239
What's the goal of all this? Did Jesus? Now keep

1395
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:39,600
this in mind, Jesus didn't send a church with any political, social,

1396
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:43,800
or economic mission at all. That's what the text said. None.

1397
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:51,359
But now watch this contradiction as we shift to the

1398
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:57,600
social United Nations goal that is the real goal of

1399
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:02,199
Catholicism in the post fatic Into era. Watch this. This

1400
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:04,319
is going to blow your mind because it gets even

1401
01:33:04,359 --> 01:33:10,359
worse paragraph eighty two. Remember the church has no social,

1402
01:33:10,399 --> 01:33:16,359
economic political goals. But now we have the goal of

1403
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:20,800
the outlawing of all war. Yes, you heard me right.

1404
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,560
The text that I have which is not It doesn't

1405
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:28,079
have all of the headings, the actual headings in the

1406
01:33:28,079 --> 01:33:30,399
text that I have, I'll show it to you. It

1407
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:36,239
actually says it is time to outlaw all warfare. What

1408
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:44,439
in the meantime, efforts have been already been made and

1409
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:49,039
are still underway to eliminate the danger of war. On

1410
01:33:49,119 --> 01:33:51,359
the contrary, support should be given to the goodwill of

1411
01:33:51,399 --> 01:33:56,399
every man to do away with war. So I thought

1412
01:33:56,399 --> 01:34:02,039
we had no duty in the Catholicture to political, social,

1413
01:34:02,079 --> 01:34:09,199
and economic realms. Jesus didn't establish that. Wait a minute,

1414
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:14,479
but now the Vatican, as a geopolitical global institution, is

1415
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:19,239
ready to put aside all nationalistic differences. Oh wait a minute,

1416
01:34:19,279 --> 01:34:23,600
what notice that you? Are you noticing how socialist and

1417
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:27,359
Marxist's document actually is. Look at the last section of

1418
01:34:27,399 --> 01:34:36,520
eighty two. Watch this. There needs to be new education,

1419
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:40,600
particularly with the young, so that they don't fall into

1420
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,359
old problems. What are these old problems? Let's not let

1421
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:48,039
a false hope deceive this unless enmities and hatred are

1422
01:34:48,039 --> 01:34:54,800
put away. Honest agreement is concerning world peace? Did Jesus

1423
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:59,279
say he came to bring world peace? I did not

1424
01:34:59,319 --> 01:35:03,960
come to bring peace, but a sword. The New Vatican

1425
01:35:04,039 --> 01:35:09,600
to Jesus, though, is a geopolitical symbol of socialist world

1426
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:15,119
peace and internationalist institutions. And it's explicitly going to say

1427
01:35:15,119 --> 01:35:16,840
that here in a second. Okay, but I want you

1428
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:21,960
to see the actual Marxist verbia is right here. The

1429
01:35:22,039 --> 01:35:26,520
Church of Christ does not cease to hope firmly right

1430
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:33,079
that this death, that this piece can happen. Wait a minute,

1431
01:35:33,079 --> 01:35:34,840
I'm looking for the there's a pastor where it talks

1432
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,079
about getting rid of nationalism. Let me find that. In

1433
01:35:37,159 --> 01:35:58,720
the meantime, let's see. The copy that I have is

1434
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,319
the Austin Flannery version of it. So it's worded a

1435
01:36:03,319 --> 01:36:05,560
little bit different in the paragraphs or space different. So

1436
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:07,199
it takes me a minute to find some of the

1437
01:36:07,239 --> 01:36:10,800
texts from one to the other. So if you see,

1438
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:13,560
this is my version right here in Vatican two Austin

1439
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:31,239
Flannery translation, and let's see paragraph eighty two in the meantime, Okay, okay,

1440
01:36:31,239 --> 01:36:33,359
this is interesting because it looks like right here, the

1441
01:36:33,399 --> 01:36:39,279
way that the Vatican Text is translated says men should

1442
01:36:39,319 --> 01:36:42,039
take heed not to trust and trust themselves only to

1443
01:36:42,079 --> 01:36:45,640
the efforts of some, while not caring about their own attitudes.

1444
01:36:46,039 --> 01:36:48,920
Government officials, who must, at one and the same time

1445
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,680
guarantee the good of their own people and promote the

1446
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:55,479
universal good, are generally dependent on public opinion and feeling.

1447
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,640
It does them no good to work for peace as

1448
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:01,479
long as feelings of hostility, contempting to us, and racial

1449
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:06,119
hatred continue to divide men into camps. Consequently, there is

1450
01:37:06,199 --> 01:37:10,319
above all a pressing need for renewed education. So brainwash

1451
01:37:10,359 --> 01:37:13,520
young people not to be, not to care about themselves

1452
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,920
or people, their heritage and looking, there's a specific section

1453
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:28,520
where it talks about nationalism, but that's in the let's see, Oh,

1454
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:32,119
this is it right here? Yeah, in order to here's

1455
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:35,600
where I'm getting to. This is it section two setting

1456
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:41,039
up an international community. Look at that international socialist goals

1457
01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:46,039
international socialism. Literally, you can read any of the Fabian

1458
01:37:46,079 --> 01:37:49,399
socialist sects, any of the Marxist texts about their internationalist

1459
01:37:49,399 --> 01:37:52,439
goals and agendas and how they speak, and it's exactly

1460
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:55,680
identical to this. In order to build up peace and

1461
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,800
above all the causes of discord amongst men, especially in justice,

1462
01:37:59,319 --> 01:38:07,359
which Foemen wars, they must be rooted out. Now, remember

1463
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,720
we were just told that the Church doesn't have any

1464
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:13,439
political and social mission that Jesus gave it. But apparently

1465
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:15,840
the Vatican and the CIA and the Fabian socialists are

1466
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,800
giving in a mission. Not a few of these causes

1467
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:24,279
come from excessive economic equalities. Why are there wars because

1468
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:28,439
rich nations have more money than the poor nations. It's

1469
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:35,000
exactly what socialists always say. Other cause of discord relates

1470
01:38:35,039 --> 01:38:43,680
to contempt, envy, distrust, pride, egotism, etc. Thus what's the solution,

1471
01:38:44,119 --> 01:38:49,359
Jesus and Christianity. No, No, the solution is organizing together

1472
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:55,960
in international bodies to create international organizations for global peace

1473
01:38:56,119 --> 01:38:58,319
and the ending of war. That's what we just read earlier.

1474
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:07,640
That's the un all the stuff that Francis and all

1475
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:13,079
of his buddies promoted, that's UNUSCO. That's the World Economic Forum.

1476
01:39:14,199 --> 01:39:20,079
Remember Klaus's mentor is the same mentor as Francis, Paulo

1477
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:25,279
Freira the socialist, and then Archbishop Kamara, those are the mentors.

1478
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:35,279
Francis's mentor, Klaus's mentor, Camara the liberation theologian socialist. What

1479
01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:39,600
is this liberation theology socialism? So did you even know

1480
01:39:40,199 --> 01:39:43,199
that your own Vatican documents all you Roman Catholics, and

1481
01:39:43,239 --> 01:39:46,800
you tried, cats that your documents actually teach the new

1482
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:52,199
world order. You in socialist agenda clear as day. And

1483
01:39:52,319 --> 01:39:57,439
guess what, there's more. We're not even done. Why has

1484
01:39:57,479 --> 01:40:05,159
this problem persisted? Turns out it's partly the fault of Christianity.

1485
01:40:05,359 --> 01:40:19,079
You can't make this up already. There exists international organizations

1486
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:21,560
helping the human race. Oh, thank you, thank you you

1487
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:25,760
in they are laying the foundations for an international community,

1488
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,880
a new world order, and Christians are helping to create

1489
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:34,760
this by working with non Christians. The present solidarity of

1490
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:40,600
mankind calls for a revival of international cooperation in economics,

1491
01:40:43,319 --> 01:40:49,159
international monopoly, capital, socialism, that's what this is. Now that

1492
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:56,359
all people have become autonomous, this unification is becoming difficult.

1493
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:02,119
The development of a nation depends on fin financial aid. Interesting,

1494
01:41:10,319 --> 01:41:14,600
but remember Jesus didn't give the Church a political, social,

1495
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:19,640
and economic mission. This entire document is about the political,

1496
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:23,439
social and economic mission of the United Nations supporting Vattican.

1497
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:25,640
Do you not see how stupid this is and how

1498
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:28,239
crazy this is. I'm trying to find the part where

1499
01:41:28,199 --> 01:41:31,479
it says change of heart. It's supposed to be paragraph

1500
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:38,680
eighty two at some point that Christianity needs a change

1501
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,800
of heart. If I can find that here it is Indeed,

1502
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:48,479
we all need a change of heart in regarding regarding

1503
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:52,720
the world and the better unification, in unison of the

1504
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:57,079
human race. So Christianity got it wrong for all these years.

1505
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:03,000
It needs a change of heart. What do you have

1506
01:42:03,039 --> 01:42:08,199
obligations to? Turns out your obligations are to the international community.

1507
01:42:08,359 --> 01:42:10,640
Again everything this document has been saying over and whatever.

1508
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,600
If you have the increasingly close ties and mutual dependence

1509
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,479
today between all the inhabitants of peoples of the earth,

1510
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:18,319
the apt pursuit of effication's attainment of the universal common

1511
01:42:18,399 --> 01:42:25,159
good requires the community of nations organize itself into a

1512
01:42:25,239 --> 01:42:28,199
manner suited to the present responsibilities, especially towards many parts

1513
01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:32,720
of the world suffering from lack. If you're a wealthy nation,

1514
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:37,920
you are not helping and supporting humanity. You owe all

1515
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:40,720
of your money to the poor nations because of why

1516
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:44,640
Jesus and socialism. I mean, if you don't see a

1517
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:46,600
problem with this, If you, I mean, I thought you

1518
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:50,760
guys were against the New World Order. This is the

1519
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:55,000
new World order right here, Okay, it is the United

1520
01:42:55,079 --> 01:42:59,880
Nations Document. The Vatican has many, many times over said

1521
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:04,079
that like the United Nations. In fact, the Benedict the

1522
01:43:04,359 --> 01:43:10,800
fifteenth was a supporter of the League of Nations. So

1523
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,399
it's not like this is some new post Vatican two things.

1524
01:43:14,279 --> 01:43:20,319
Pope Benedict the fifteenth, if you have the Oxford History

1525
01:43:20,319 --> 01:43:22,640
of the Popes, read his entry. It talks about him

1526
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:24,760
being a huge supporter of the League of Nations, which

1527
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,840
was a Fabian socialist agenda. On record, as we've covered,

1528
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:31,199
this is also a Fabian socialist agenity. If you can't

1529
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:33,439
recognize it, I don't know what to tell you. Last

1530
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:38,720
paragraph of eighty four is really wild. Watch this. Already

1531
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:43,520
existing international and regional organizations are certainly well deserving of

1532
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:46,359
the human race. In other words, the UN, what do

1533
01:43:46,359 --> 01:43:50,359
you think he's talking about? The UN? The Fabian socialst organizations,

1534
01:43:50,399 --> 01:43:53,680
that's the only ones that exist. That's what they're talking about.

1535
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 2: UNESCO.

1536
01:43:58,159 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 1: These are the first efforts at laying the foundation of

1537
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:06,399
the international community of all men working together to solve

1538
01:44:07,399 --> 01:44:11,319
the problems of the human race, to progress everywhere, and to

1539
01:44:11,359 --> 01:44:15,319
get rid of war. Again, did Jesus say he came

1540
01:44:15,399 --> 01:44:21,119
to bring world peace or a sword? In all these

1541
01:44:21,159 --> 01:44:24,560
activities the Robin Catholic Church takes joy in the spirit

1542
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:35,159
of brotherhood. Again Masonic gibberish speak to relieve human misery.

1543
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:37,800
I'm pretty sure Jesus said it is not the mission

1544
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:41,000
of the church to secure the temporal gains in the

1545
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:47,119
temporal health of world peace and of the nations. He

1546
01:44:47,159 --> 01:44:48,880
said he came to bring a sword and to preach

1547
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:52,000
the gospel of repentance. This is the gospel of Fabian

1548
01:44:52,079 --> 01:44:55,479
socialism and fixing the world. And if you've never read

1549
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:58,399
the Grand Inquisitor chapter, which I had a whole college

1550
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:04,079
class on the Granted Quizor chapter, this proves Dostoevsky was

1551
01:45:04,119 --> 01:45:09,279
a Prophets said the papacy will ditch Jesus and will

1552
01:45:09,319 --> 01:45:16,119
offer a world socialism answer to solving man's temporal problems.

1553
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:25,560
Here it is right here, Dostoevsky vindicated right there. Now,

1554
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:31,119
we hear a lot about conscioception amongst Roman Catholics, and

1555
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:35,079
they love to beat the drum as if they had

1556
01:45:35,159 --> 01:45:38,119
this moral high ground. I thought this is an interesting

1557
01:45:38,119 --> 01:45:44,479
statement that doesn't really make sense with their moral high

1558
01:45:44,479 --> 01:46:01,880
ground because the last paragraph of eighty seven, in keeping

1559
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:06,199
with man's inalienable rights to marry and to generate children.

1560
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,439
A decision concerning the number of children they will have

1561
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:13,359
depends on the right and the judgments of the parents.

1562
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 2: Oops.

1563
01:46:19,239 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 1: You Roman Catholics are amazing hypocrites. Your moral high ground

1564
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:32,600
isn't even in your own documents. Your own documents admit, well,

1565
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:35,960
it's a contradiction. I wouldn't say that, I would even

1566
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:40,600
disagree with this. The decision of the number of children

1567
01:46:41,319 --> 01:46:44,800
is a right of the parents. Does that fit with

1568
01:46:45,079 --> 01:47:03,199
all your moral high ground about contraception? Hmm, all right,

1569
01:47:03,279 --> 01:47:07,680
now there's more. But those are the high points of God.

1570
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:10,800
I emit space, which is a document nobody recovers. So

1571
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:14,520
hopefully you see very clear that like the Vatican is

1572
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:20,439
teaching socialism, internationalism, globalization, none of this has anything to

1573
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:23,680
do with what they taught even decades earlier, with the

1574
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,920
Syllabus of Errors, saying that the Church cannot be separated

1575
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:33,439
from the state, even the world, the geopolitical power of

1576
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:36,479
the Roman. See, you can't get rid of that. It's

1577
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:39,680
condemned if you try to night and day opposite. And

1578
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:41,159
if you can't see that, And by the way, I

1579
01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:44,439
don't know if you know there's like tons of condemnations

1580
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:50,159
of socialism in this Tan books sixteen papal documents. Do

1581
01:47:50,199 --> 01:47:54,199
you have any times they condemn socialism? Rite of rite,

1582
01:47:54,199 --> 01:47:57,640
a private judgment, freedom of conscience, freedom of worship? Like

1583
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:01,119
every one of these papal documents is condemning, literally word

1584
01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:02,640
for word, all the stuff that you just saw in

1585
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:07,600
Vatican Two's Gaudia metspez. If that's not clear enough, I

1586
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,840
don't know what else could be made clear to you, guys.

1587
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:13,680
I mean, at that point, it's it's bad faith, right,

1588
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:16,079
It's like there's nothing that's going to convince you because

1589
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:18,720
you've joined a cult where literally the Pope can determine

1590
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:23,159
reality and truth at any moment. Brian, what's up? Do

1591
01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:38,279
you want to say something? I'm mute, Brian, I'm mute.

1592
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:43,319
Do you see the section? I mean, are you even

1593
01:48:43,359 --> 01:48:47,159
able to read a section errors regarding the civil power

1594
01:48:47,279 --> 01:48:51,119
of the Roman Pontiff? I mean it literally has giant

1595
01:48:51,159 --> 01:48:53,920
bold text for you, guys. What's up? Brian?

1596
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:54,199
Speaker 5: Talk?

1597
01:48:55,199 --> 01:48:58,279
Speaker 3: I don't really see that, mister Dyer. What's going on here?

1598
01:48:58,359 --> 01:48:59,039
Speaker 1: You don't see what.

1599
01:49:00,319 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 3: The documentaries you're referring to.

1600
01:49:03,319 --> 01:49:05,119
Speaker 1: You don't see the document I'm referred to? What are

1601
01:49:05,119 --> 01:49:06,560
you talking about. It's on the screen.

1602
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,159
Speaker 3: I see the space there, but I don't see anything

1603
01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:13,079
else in the comments.

1604
01:49:13,119 --> 01:49:15,159
Speaker 1: I'm on YouTube, dude, what are you talking about?

1605
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:19,199
Speaker 3: Oh? My bad, I'm on X Sorry.

1606
01:49:19,399 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So what do you disagree with it? You don't see.

1607
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:26,560
Speaker 3: Disagree if anything, Sir, Just I'm just listening more than speaking.

1608
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 16: Sorry about die press the button by mistake.

1609
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:32,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously I'm not talking about I'm talking about YouTube. Young.

1610
01:49:32,199 --> 01:49:32,640
What's up?

1611
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:39,640
Speaker 3: Yo? Uh?

1612
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1613
01:49:40,039 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 3: That that debate was pretty good. Something I think is

1614
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:44,680
an angle.

1615
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 18: I think could have been explored there that I thought

1616
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,560
was super cool is at the start of the act

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is purest thing?

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Speaker 3: Tim started explaining his answer. He started saying.

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01:49:55,319 --> 01:49:58,399
Speaker 18: God entered into creation, and then he cuts himself off

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01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:01,760
right away and he reached or he reformulates a sentence.

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01:50:02,039 --> 01:50:02,800
Speaker 3: It's like when you.

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01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:04,600
Speaker 18: Know chat GPT is like giving you an.

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01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:08,159
Speaker 3: Answer and it realizes mid response. It's like against t us.

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01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:09,920
I think like the.

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01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:14,640
Speaker 18: Fact that it's just there, like incarnations just totally incompatible is.

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Speaker 3: Such a like such a killer.

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01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 18: I think like that's if you want to like reach

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01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:23,479
the you know, like the regular normy kind of people,

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01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:26,159
especially like the Norman Catholics, that's the.

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Speaker 3: Way to go.

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01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:29,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's what I was trying to illustrate in the

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01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:33,800
first round was that Actus purists God being reduced to

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01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:39,640
pure act makes the incarnation impossible, and particularly Philippians too

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in the Canosus passage, it's a very famous passage. Everybody

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01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,239
who knows anything about Christianity the Bible should know about

1636
01:50:46,279 --> 01:50:51,279
the Canosis text. The Sun willingly limited himself to enter

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01:50:51,319 --> 01:50:55,359
into time and space. End of debate, right there, Johnny,

1638
01:50:55,439 --> 01:51:02,760
what's up Johnny?

1639
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:03,159
Speaker 3: On you?

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01:51:07,239 --> 01:51:07,399
Speaker 2: Hi?

1641
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:13,239
Speaker 19: Jay, Hey, Hi, look like I've been following you for

1642
01:51:13,319 --> 01:51:16,720
the past I'm from Spain. I've been following you from

1643
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:19,600
for the past five five years. And you know, in

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01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:22,239
Spain we have a saying that we are more papers

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01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:22,720
than the pope.

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01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:25,319
Speaker 1: I mean we had the basic Yeah, well you have

1647
01:51:25,359 --> 01:51:27,640
what I can't slow down say that again, you have more?

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01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 3: What that we are more?

1649
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:31,720
Speaker 19: There's a saying in Spain that we are more papers

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01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:32,359
than the pope.

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01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:35,039
Speaker 16: Oh, meaning that.

1652
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:38,239
Speaker 19: Like when you know, we had the biggest geopilitica, geopolitical

1653
01:51:38,279 --> 01:51:41,279
and empire around the papacy, which was brought down by

1654
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:45,640
you know, by the Anglo sphere, and so one thing

1655
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:47,680
that I've noticed over the years, is just telling you

1656
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:50,760
a little bit about the sociological background here in Spain.

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01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:53,800
I mean, let's say ninety five percent of people, and

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01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,399
I have like family members, friends around, they can't even

1659
01:51:57,439 --> 01:52:01,840
hold basic argumentation. They can't even basically they're not even

1660
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:04,000
interest for the most part, you send them basic stuff.

1661
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:05,920
It's just the same thing you were mentioning with team right.

1662
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,520
So I think one of the things that emergency, one

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01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,520
of the questions that we have to ask ourselves as

1664
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:15,880
Orthodox is I mean, is there a different debates have

1665
01:52:16,079 --> 01:52:18,439
a space, but is there a point to keep going

1666
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:21,159
on that direction because maybe there's other spaces. For example,

1667
01:52:21,279 --> 01:52:22,840
right now in Spain, there's a lot of build up

1668
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,960
around the issue of prophecy, right as World War the

1669
01:52:26,079 --> 01:52:30,079
is approaching and listening to Dimitry Conrad, and you know,

1670
01:52:30,119 --> 01:52:33,920
there's basically Roman Catholic apologies. People that you know are

1671
01:52:34,079 --> 01:52:38,000
talking about new prophecies about China's gonna bomb Rushia with

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01:52:38,079 --> 01:52:41,600
nuclear weapons, and I believe that, Well, I have a

1673
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:44,520
bunch of points here, you know, and I found more

1674
01:52:45,319 --> 01:52:48,600
useful often to you know, point out, for example, that

1675
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:52,560
prophecies or bringing people to liergy talking is through aesthetics

1676
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:54,920
or even for example, looking at the parallels between the

1677
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,319
history of Spain and the history of the papacy. How

1678
01:52:57,359 --> 01:53:01,279
for example, during francosh time you had this two technocrats.

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Speaker 16: We hopose day was very very important.

1680
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:07,079
Speaker 19: It's very important to show everything you've been talking about

1681
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:11,560
within the past hour, right how basically through Spain, you know,

1682
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:14,680
the bodykind is transformed. This is kind of like globalistic

1683
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:20,880
political yes too under the CIA and so yeah, that

1684
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:23,520
was been another point maybe this kind of stuff.

1685
01:53:25,239 --> 01:53:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right, like it might be more

1686
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:35,319
effective to talk about other stuff and have other approaches. Absolutely,

1687
01:53:35,399 --> 01:53:38,560
because I mean it's almost like that this has been beaten.

1688
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:40,960
It's a dead beating the dead horse, you know, on

1689
01:53:41,119 --> 01:53:46,640
whatever it's been. It's just been done so many times.

1690
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:49,159
And I'll give you guys the link. There's god in Metspas.

1691
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:57,159
You can check all the quotes and the sources right there. Also,

1692
01:53:57,199 --> 01:53:59,560
remember you can follow me on X right here. I'll

1693
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:02,560
give you guys X link. You can call in through

1694
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:06,359
the ex link in the show description. Gainersilla twenty dollars.

1695
01:54:06,399 --> 01:54:10,960
Congratulations on that win. No, I already read excuse me,

1696
01:54:11,039 --> 01:54:13,399
young finesse or two dollars, Jay, how is my favorite

1697
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:17,640
orthodox cholo doing? Don gu bron I barely made it today.

1698
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:21,199
I'm super tire man. Austin alba is four dollars YouTube

1699
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:24,359
and I are actively sending money money and you can

1700
01:54:24,399 --> 01:54:27,439
passively receive it. Well, if you actively give me money,

1701
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:30,880
I am passively giving money. You see how that works?

1702
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:36,039
According to Tim's logic about spiration, the Holy Spirit is

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01:54:36,039 --> 01:54:43,119
the cause and aspirator by receiving his existence inspiration and

1704
01:54:43,239 --> 01:54:48,199
then and then passively spirating and causing who are what himself?

1705
01:54:48,359 --> 01:54:51,800
You see? So when you give me money, I actively

1706
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:57,520
also donate, and I am a person of great charity

1707
01:54:57,880 --> 01:55:01,680
because all that money passive is caused and donated to

1708
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:06,840
myself from me. See how that works? Glitchy rhythm two dollars.

1709
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:09,359
Don't worry, guys, I'm here now. Rolph Stakes became a

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01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:14,039
seventeen month member. Wow or remember four seventeen months? Maybe

1711
01:55:14,079 --> 01:55:17,439
I misread that Rum mcaltholkers saying neither of any of

1712
01:55:17,439 --> 01:55:21,279
these represents the church their personalities. Do you have thoughts

1713
01:55:21,359 --> 01:55:27,079
on that? Why wouldn't Tim or myself be representatives? So

1714
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:33,520
I don't even know what that means. I mean, somebody

1715
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:35,640
can say that, but like you need to show that

1716
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:39,119
what I said about Catholicism or orthodox he was false.

1717
01:55:39,359 --> 01:55:41,640
So that's really a meaningless statement unless they show how

1718
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:43,880
that's the case. Made by Jimbob twenty dollars a day.

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01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:46,479
What's up, Jim Bob. Shout out to our good bff Jimbob.

1720
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:49,199
Everybody be sure and follow made by Jimbob on his channel.

1721
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:50,800
He's killing it. He's doing a lot of funny streams,

1722
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:53,000
a lot of lengthy streams. He's doing a lot of debates.

1723
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:56,600
He's doing great work made by Jimbob. He says, nice job.

1724
01:55:57,039 --> 01:55:58,840
A lot of the technical stuff is over my head.

1725
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:02,079
But glory of God as a creature was pretty much

1726
01:56:02,119 --> 01:56:04,319
the end of the debate. Yeah, I think everybody resonates

1727
01:56:04,359 --> 01:56:08,000
with understanding that that makes absolutely no sense, even if

1728
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:11,000
you don't know orthox theology, like to say God has

1729
01:56:11,039 --> 01:56:14,319
created attributes. I think most Roman Catholics realized, way that

1730
01:56:14,319 --> 01:56:17,840
doesn't make any sense. Celeboy worth five dollars. I wish

1731
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:19,520
you would have asked him, what is the point then?

1732
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:21,680
When he says that you don't really have to follow

1733
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:25,640
what the pope teaches if it's wrong. By the time

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01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:29,760
of the third section, Both he and I were exhausted,

1735
01:56:30,199 --> 01:56:31,960
So there's probably a lot of things. I just didn't

1736
01:56:31,960 --> 01:56:39,520
even catch JR. What's up? That was actually supposed to

1737
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:41,119
be a two hour debate, believe it or not, So

1738
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:44,880
that two hour debate ended up becoming almost like a

1739
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,399
five hour thing. So that's but I knew when we

1740
01:56:47,439 --> 01:56:50,600
got there, like and we I don't think we're gonna

1741
01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:52,800
be able to cover three topics in two hours?

1742
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:53,159
Speaker 3: What's up?

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01:56:53,239 --> 01:56:54,920
Speaker 1: JR? JR?

1744
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:59,079
Speaker 3: Are you ing? Yeah? So speaking to the guy who

1745
01:56:59,119 --> 01:56:59,880
was asking early.

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01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:05,720
Speaker 20: Just like with conspiracy theories twenty years ago, sometimes it

1747
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:06,920
takes a long time.

1748
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:10,319
Speaker 16: Like you and I both, I mean, we've known.

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01:57:10,199 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 3: Each other for quite a while.

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01:57:12,199 --> 01:57:17,760
Speaker 20: So ten fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, nobody was

1751
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:21,680
even receptive to the idea that the Federal Reserve was private,

1752
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:27,840
even within this realm of religious discussions. Right, maybe something

1753
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:30,000
sounds hopeless at the moment to be able to get

1754
01:57:30,039 --> 01:57:33,079
through to people, but maybe in a couple of years

1755
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:37,479
you might see a big breakthrough with a lot of people.

1756
01:57:39,239 --> 01:57:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good way to look at it.

1757
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:44,399
Like I've seen the Overton windows shift tremendously. Just take

1758
01:57:44,439 --> 01:57:48,079
for example, criticizing the Big Z and things in the

1759
01:57:48,119 --> 01:57:51,039
middle in the Middle East, I had a blog in

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01:57:51,039 --> 01:57:53,439
two thousand and seven and eight. I wrote a lot

1761
01:57:53,479 --> 01:57:59,039
of articles criticizing Big Z, and I had nobody aiding,

1762
01:57:59,079 --> 01:58:02,680
helping or supporting me. No one. I got threats. I

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01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:04,319
got people told me that they knew where I worked,

1764
01:58:04,319 --> 01:58:06,239
they were gonna call and get me fired. They were

1765
01:58:06,279 --> 01:58:08,760
believing or not, they weren't. They were actually evangelicals that

1766
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:12,880
did that. And nobody was talking about that back then

1767
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:18,119
except for like a few random, sparse websites. Nowadays, everybody

1768
01:58:18,199 --> 01:58:20,640
on Twitter, all they want to talk about is Zionism, Judaism,

1769
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:23,720
et cetera. Okay, so like that, the Elberton window has

1770
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:28,560
definitely shifted, and I think John's absolutely right that it's

1771
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:31,840
very likely that we'll it will continue to shift towards

1772
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:34,600
a lot of things being questioned, hopefully moving in the

1773
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:35,199
right direction.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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01:58:37,079 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 3: One, speaking of the Big Z.

1776
01:58:39,279 --> 01:58:42,399
Speaker 20: If anybody wants a good book about Pope, John Paul

1777
01:58:42,399 --> 01:58:45,119
is second and the Big Z. It's actually a mainline book.

1778
01:58:45,119 --> 01:58:48,039
It's called The Hidden Pope, The Untold Story of a

1779
01:58:48,039 --> 01:58:49,119
Lifetime Friendship.

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01:58:49,359 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 1: Yes, I have that book.

1781
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:56,439
Speaker 20: Yes, Changing the relationship between Catholics and Jews by Darcy O'Brien.

1782
01:58:57,199 --> 01:59:00,560
And once again, just like many of the other modernist

1783
01:59:01,399 --> 01:59:05,279
appeal books, they think it's they think it's this book

1784
01:59:05,319 --> 01:59:07,119
that's going to be like a good thing back at

1785
01:59:07,119 --> 01:59:09,479
the time edit's written, where it's like, oh, there's this

1786
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:13,079
great relationship between Jews and Catholics, and now in the

1787
01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:15,319
modern day that might not be such a good thing.

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01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:20,960
Speaker 1: Yes, here's the book right here. I've not read the

1789
01:59:21,079 --> 01:59:23,079
entire book. I've read some chapters out of it because

1790
01:59:23,079 --> 01:59:26,319
it was very relevant to me when I was a

1791
01:59:26,319 --> 01:59:29,000
tradcat so I was. I made use of this book

1792
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:32,239
to actually try to disprove John Paul the Second being

1793
01:59:32,279 --> 01:59:35,159
a saint and being anything that is worth listening to.

1794
01:59:36,199 --> 01:59:38,640
And of course it is still relevant because you go

1795
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:43,319
back and you check out John Paul the Second's lifetime

1796
01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:48,119
friendship with Jersey Klueger, who was a famous Jew, and

1797
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:52,479
John Paul's mission to try to make the Catholic Church

1798
01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:57,640
essentially judaized. He was very open about that. This is

1799
01:59:57,640 --> 02:00:00,960
why he, for the as far as i'm where, was

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02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:05,479
the first pope to ever go in synagogues and pray

1801
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:09,800
in synagogue worship services, which is pretty wild like that

1802
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:12,560
had never I've never heard of this happening. Maybe there's

1803
02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:15,560
some instance that I'm not aware of, but we've referred

1804
02:00:15,560 --> 02:00:17,760
to it many times of John Paul the Second going

1805
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:19,600
and praying in the same that's actually violation by the

1806
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:21,199
way of the cannons, right, the canons of the first

1807
02:00:21,239 --> 02:00:26,239
thousand years forbid anyone from doing this. So all you

1808
02:00:26,319 --> 02:00:29,000
trad cats, all you people that Larry Paul daylong talking

1809
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:34,000
about Big Z and people in the Middle East, get

1810
02:00:34,039 --> 02:00:35,800
out of my Get out of my ear. I'm not

1811
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:37,640
even listening to any of you because you're all total

1812
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:40,680
hypocrites because you won't talk about this. It's your own

1813
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:46,000
church and leaders that are the masters of this, you hipocrites. KD,

1814
02:00:46,159 --> 02:00:54,279
what's up? KD? What's up?

1815
02:00:55,279 --> 02:00:58,079
Speaker 3: Hey, J how's it going? I can't hear hey, So

1816
02:00:58,319 --> 02:00:59,720
just a quick thought of on debate.

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02:01:00,039 --> 02:01:02,319
Speaker 7: I don't know if you happened to see, but so

1818
02:01:02,439 --> 02:01:08,399
the morning after Scholastic answers at a stream, uh basically

1819
02:01:08,439 --> 02:01:10,199
sort of a few in this debate, he had someone

1820
02:01:10,279 --> 02:01:13,760
on with them, tall Astro. I'm not really familiar with Astro,

1821
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:15,600
but they were talking.

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02:01:15,439 --> 02:01:17,600
Speaker 1: About that these are people who, uh, this is a

1823
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:19,439
guy who's in a rand who hasn't as far as

1824
02:01:19,479 --> 02:01:21,520
I knew, claimed he was Roman Catholic. Apologies, but he

1825
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:26,079
never even been baptized. So okay, I've already interacted with him.

1826
02:01:26,079 --> 02:01:27,039
What's the point?

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02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:29,960
Speaker 3: So that that puts some context. So they were talking about.

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02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:34,319
Speaker 7: Created grace and thoughts glory basically being a manifestation.

1829
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:37,840
Speaker 1: So manifestation of what what does that mean of God?

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02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:38,920
Speaker 3: I guess this was their point.

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02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:41,560
Speaker 1: Okay, is God's manifestation created or uncreated?

1832
02:01:42,479 --> 02:01:43,399
Speaker 3: Oh? It gets better.

1833
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:48,319
Speaker 7: So someone in the chat said, uh, yeah, White just

1834
02:01:48,479 --> 02:01:49,920
taught created grace.

1835
02:01:49,960 --> 02:01:52,000
Speaker 3: And by the way, so did Palomas.

1836
02:01:52,399 --> 02:01:56,800
Speaker 7: So that if if Gregory Palomas taught created grace, that

1837
02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:57,760
was a surprise to me.

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02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:02,680
Speaker 1: No, that's the stupidest thing ever heard. Nobody, everybody knows

1839
02:02:02,720 --> 02:02:03,279
that's not true.

1840
02:02:03,319 --> 02:02:04,760
Speaker 3: That's right. So I dropped a quote.

1841
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:06,960
Speaker 7: I dropped a quote in the chat from from the

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02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:10,800
Third Triads where paulamas Clevely says, look, if you're justified

1843
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:13,039
by grace, and if you're justified by a preacher, what

1844
02:02:13,039 --> 02:02:14,399
are you Basically what are you talking about?

1845
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:17,319
Speaker 1: So anybody who is anybody who's done like surface level

1846
02:02:17,319 --> 02:02:18,319
reading would know that's.

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Speaker 7: Not true, right, So he asked Astro to respond to this,

1848
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and he says, well, yeah, but it can't be Grace

1849
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can't be uncreated because it's given in measure. Would you

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say that you have the same grace as Mary? So like,

1851
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that's just a level.

1852
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Speaker 1: That's actually an argument that Barleam makes and if Palamas

1853
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addresses that and says God's grace is given without measure,

1854
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but also with measure, and that's a antonomy that there

1855
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is no explanation for because you can't give parts of God.

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But in another sense, we don't get the fullness of

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God because we are always moving up into God. And

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that's because God transcends these dialectics. So this is actually

1859
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a Cappadocian argument that's made. And Maximus covers us in

1860
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the ambiguity about how to refute originism and the idea

1861
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of eternal stasis. There's not eternal stasis because we have

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a body resurrection, so we are always moving up into God.

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But a lot of the Eastern or a lot of

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the Greek Hellenic philosophical thinkers thought, how could you have

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perfect eschatology without perfect stasis. Well, the assumption is that

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you must have perfect stasis but we are beyond the

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dialectic of stasis and change, and thus we are in

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immovable we are The way the Cappadocians phrase it is

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we are in eternally moving stasis. So there's a transition,

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there's a transcending of the dialectics. And that's what they

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don't understand because they're dialecticians and they're idiots. Andrea, what's up.

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Speaker 21: Hello, man? For some reason, I can't hear you. Now

1873
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you know, I'm speaker.

1874
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Speaker 1: I'm here. People are calling this is all these Romanic

1875
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I don't drink. This guy's calling me an alcoholic. I

1876
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never drink. I haven't drink in almost eight years. So

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this is like, all you Roman calices have is this

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kind of stuff, personal attacks, and it just shows the

1879
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weakness of your position. That makes sense. I'd love for

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you to come debate and explain to me how any

1881
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of the arguments are wrong, because all you guys have

1882
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is this week vagina stuff like that, and everybody knows

1883
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I don't drink. So what's up man?

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Speaker 21: Hey man, I've been a huge follower of years. For

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a while, I'm not sure if I'm well equipped to

1886
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debate you. I don't know if this would be a debate,

1887
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but I do have like a good topic.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you're interested in.

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Speaker 21: What well in terms of a divination like uh, I

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guess my.

1891
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Speaker 2: My position or my uh.

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Speaker 21: What I'd like to ask you is like, are you

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completely against it? I know that's kind of like there

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is that uh you know that quote against divination and

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sorcery or whatever. But I do see you know, there's

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many accounts in the Bible where divination was actually approved

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by God. In the Bible in terms of dreams, casting lots,

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even Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Divination is trying to gain secret knowledge from angels or demons.

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It's not the same thing as God giving a person

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a dream or vision. That's not what divination is. Confused,

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what's up?

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Speaker 3: Ja?

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Speaker 22: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm trying to understand a Catholic

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perspective on uh defining and lucy? So what makes different

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the binding and losing of cannons versus if a conflict

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would make the argument that binding and loosing of the.

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Speaker 3: Infallibility or that you have to believe.

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Speaker 22: In the pope for salvation, couldn't that be a case

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of binding and loosing?

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Speaker 3: Because it later on it was.

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Speaker 1: I guess No, they're not supposed to believe that the

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dogmas of the church change because the pope has binding

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and loosing. That's not what I've never heard of Roman

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calloic argue about. Doesn't mean that the pope can't say

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that like I bind everybody to the Trinity in the

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fourth century, but nowadays I loose everybody from the Trinity.

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You have to believe it. That's no, that's ridiculous, I mean,

1919
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But ironically, that's actually where the papacy position has evolved

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to because they now think that what used to be

1921
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natural law or natural justice in terms of the death

1922
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penalty Francis has now gotten rid of that because it's

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against the Gospel. So they actually do believe that the

1924
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pope can change natural law. But that's what we get

1925
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with the paper. See and try to bring that up.

1926
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They handwave it. They don't care. What's up meant, Ryan?

1927
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I mean, who can read Leviticus nine and believe that

1928
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this is created God's glory appeared to all the people.

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What's up?

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Speaker 9: Hey, Jee?

1931
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Speaker 3: I've heard you.

1932
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Speaker 23: I've heard many people ask you if there's salvation outside

1933
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of the Orthodox Church, and many times you sided the

1934
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thief on the cross as an example of God using

1935
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an extra number of means.

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Speaker 3: To do that.

1937
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not outside the church, They're in the church.

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Speaker 23: So when I've heard you use that example, I just wonder,

1939
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isn't isn't the thief on the cross an example of

1940
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the harrowing of hell more than it is? Because that's

1941
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old covenants still, right, So that's really not a good thing.

1942
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Speaker 1: No, it's not. He says you will be in paradise

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with me, so it's not the old Covenant.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Okay.

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Speaker 23: My understanding of it was that he would have went

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to Hades Jesus.

1947
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Speaker 1: Does Jesus say that or does he say that you

1948
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will be with me in paradise?

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Speaker 23: He did say that, and he said the same day,

1950
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and it could have been the same day because Jesus

1951
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went to Hades and proclaimed the Gospel and released the

1952
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righteous captives.

1953
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Speaker 1: So okay, does anybody does is Abraham baptized?

1954
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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Does he go to heaven?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I guess through righteousness? Right?

1957
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Speaker 1: Okay, So there you go. That's what I've been arguing

1958
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the whole time. What's up?

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Speaker 16: Hello?

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Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, I had a quick question.

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking Q and A questions unless you disagree.

1962
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I said that about twenty times. So what's what's your point?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

1964
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Speaker 24: Nothing, I'll just make some real quick So if the

1965
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Roman Catholics, if they claim that they have the correct

1966
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view on the Eucharist, which is transubstantiation, how are we

1967
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any different if we if like our patriarch, I think

1968
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those Citius declares that I know that the term is nuanced,

1969
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but could you like explain, like.

1970
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Speaker 1: How different on what like like.

1971
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Speaker 24: The matters of like confuse merits and like i'd say.

1972
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Speaker 1: We don't believe in I have no idea what you're

1973
02:09:21,960 --> 02:09:23,880
talking about. What does infused merits have to do with

1974
02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:25,439
the Eucharist. What are you talking about?

1975
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Speaker 24: Because because well, in our in our confession it used

1976
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that term, and I'm wondering what the nuance is.

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Speaker 1: What would be.

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Speaker 24: The difference confession I'm sorry, decrease seventeen of the confession

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desidious in the sin on sixteen seventy two.

1980
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Speaker 2: Decree what decrease seventeen?

1981
02:09:57,159 --> 02:09:59,359
Speaker 1: So you think I'm trying to figure out what your

1982
02:09:59,399 --> 02:10:01,800
argument is the Eucharist, tell me what it is.

1983
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Speaker 24: Yeah, Basically, like if a Roman Catholic says, like, well,

1984
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you guys have the same views of euchrists as us.

1985
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Speaker 16: And we have the word transubstantiation.

1986
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Speaker 1: Not a question of the word, it's a it's a

1987
02:10:13,399 --> 02:10:16,079
question of how how the Divinity is present, and it's

1988
02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:18,479
already been stated at the Council of Ephesus in Saint

1989
02:10:18,479 --> 02:10:21,640
Cyril that it's the energies that are present that deify

1990
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and change the flesh, So deified flesh is only possible

1991
02:10:26,079 --> 02:10:30,319
through the divine energies. This is about this decree, and

1992
02:10:30,359 --> 02:10:33,960
this statement is not treating of or dealing with the

1993
02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:37,560
more specific questions of how he's present, right, So it's

1994
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:40,039
not going to answer that question. So the language that's used,

1995
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because as Latin language is this is also a translation

1996
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into into the into Western language, using Latin terminology, has

1997
02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:50,199
nothing to do with It's not even addressing the sense

1998
02:10:50,239 --> 02:10:53,319
in which the divinity is present, which has already been

1999
02:10:53,319 --> 02:10:55,920
covered multiple times over. If you listen to me, you'd listen,

2000
02:10:55,920 --> 02:10:58,479
you would know that I talked about the two letters

2001
02:10:58,479 --> 02:11:00,840
of Cyril to six census. It's not the divine essence,

2002
02:11:01,079 --> 02:11:03,520
it's the divine energies that are present. That's the only

2003
02:11:03,560 --> 02:11:06,439
way to be deified. Because nobody believes that we partaken

2004
02:11:06,479 --> 02:11:09,800
the divine essence. So where is this where is this

2005
02:11:09,880 --> 02:11:11,479
treating of the divine energies?

2006
02:11:13,319 --> 02:11:16,920
Speaker 24: Yeah, I think the problem is is that I think

2007
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someone pulled up a quote of the patriarch Decidius.

2008
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Speaker 3: I think he says like he is grateful for.

2009
02:11:24,199 --> 02:11:27,479
Speaker 24: The Latins to defend the doctrine trans transubstantiation. So my

2010
02:11:27,600 --> 02:11:30,039
question is, like if he viewed it that they had

2011
02:11:30,119 --> 02:11:32,079
like like kind of like the same view, like what

2012
02:11:32,079 --> 02:11:33,640
would be like the NW once.

2013
02:11:33,399 --> 02:11:36,880
Speaker 1: Because I'm I'm not sure that he does because in

2014
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the Norman Russell textas says that he translated and enforced

2015
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:44,119
all the Palamite synod decrees. So I'm not sure that

2016
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I believe that. But even if he did, I mean,

2017
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he could be mistaken thinking that the Roman Catholics have

2018
02:11:49,319 --> 02:11:52,319
the same doctrine. But do you understand that it's not

2019
02:11:52,479 --> 02:11:55,479
talking about the essence energy distinction, which Saint Cyril says

2020
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is the only way to understand the presence of Christ

2021
02:11:58,319 --> 02:11:58,960
and the Eucharist.

2022
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:02,640
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right, thank you for explaining that.

2023
02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:08,479
Speaker 1: Thanks to you, And I'm not trying to be rude.

2024
02:12:08,479 --> 02:12:10,399
I just I didn't understand at first what he was

2025
02:12:10,439 --> 02:12:13,279
going to merits, but I understand what he's getting at Rocknification.

2026
02:12:13,479 --> 02:12:16,159
What's up. I'm not taking any FAQ questions, by the way,

2027
02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:28,319
I'm like reveal, who disagree? Nick? Five dollars? Great debate,

2028
02:12:28,399 --> 02:12:32,680
Jay on a letter note, we buy the dips, slow boys. Yeah,

2029
02:12:32,920 --> 02:12:39,000
a bitcoin dipped again. People could find a spot to

2030
02:12:39,039 --> 02:12:41,239
buy in if they wanted to. Here, it might be good.

2031
02:12:41,800 --> 02:12:44,319
I don't know if if we'll go lower, but like

2032
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in the long run, any dip is good Rocknification.

2033
02:12:47,960 --> 02:12:52,079
Speaker 3: I'm you, hey, sorry about that.

2034
02:12:53,439 --> 02:12:57,039
Speaker 14: Yeah, I was wondering if you could maybe expand a

2035
02:12:57,039 --> 02:13:00,159
little bit on the clarification you gave a little I

2036
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go about how the way that God communicates information is

2037
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not divination specifically, I'm wondering about and I'm not sure

2038
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about the pronunciation, but there's something in the Old Testament

2039
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called urim and thummim.

2040
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Speaker 1: I think, are you Mormon.

2041
02:13:15,359 --> 02:13:18,359
Speaker 3: Because I always know sure, I'm Orthodox. I just don't

2042
02:13:18,399 --> 02:13:18,920
know about this.

2043
02:13:20,479 --> 02:13:23,680
Speaker 1: If God ordains it to be done that way, that's

2044
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not divination. Divination is trying to seek spiritual knowledge or

2045
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information from angels and demons or even God in ways

2046
02:13:31,439 --> 02:13:34,399
that God has not laid down, such as augury or

2047
02:13:34,399 --> 02:13:38,319
sorcery or whatever. If God says, you can utilize to

2048
02:13:38,359 --> 02:13:41,439
the Israelites that room in the Thummim, then it's not divination.

2049
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It's fine. I don't I'm not sure why. People. I'm

2050
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not trying to be rude. I just don't really understand why.

2051
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That's it's pretty clear to me. Night was up? Night

2052
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you want I'm mute?

2053
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Speaker 3: Hello, uh huh up? How are you?

2054
02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:15,079
Speaker 21: Yeah, I'm from Canby.

2055
02:14:15,199 --> 02:14:18,399
Speaker 16: You know I'm not being Yeah, you know it seems like.

2056
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:26,640
Speaker 1: You know, okay, having hard I'm understanding. But what's your question?

2057
02:14:29,199 --> 02:14:30,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2058
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Speaker 25: You know I'm interested, you know, in authodoxy, but you

2059
02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:38,319
know a country in which I live, you know, like guys,

2060
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the Orthodox is not you know that more pa.

2061
02:14:42,279 --> 02:14:45,000
Speaker 1: Hell well, I understand that that's difficult. You do the

2062
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:47,560
best you can. But I'm not taking questions. I'm trying

2063
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today we're doing questions of people who disagree. So I'm

2064
02:14:50,279 --> 02:14:52,279
not trying to be rude to you, but I special

2065
02:14:52,319 --> 02:14:54,439
I said specifically many times over, maybe you just got

2066
02:14:54,439 --> 02:14:57,760
here like for people who disagree. Otherwise we're not I'm

2067
02:14:57,760 --> 02:15:10,840
not doing the FAQ stuff. What's up? I caught him out?

2068
02:15:10,840 --> 02:15:17,760
What's up? Jaydire is Rosicrucian grifter or scumb. What the

2069
02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:23,159
hell are you talking about? Rosicrucian I don't believe anything

2070
02:15:23,319 --> 02:15:26,920
remotely close to Rosicrucianism. I don't believe in reincarnation. I

2071
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:31,119
don't believe in alchemy like that's literal, just total gibberish.

2072
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You want to call in and prove, demonstrate how I'm

2073
02:15:35,239 --> 02:15:39,560
a rescrucion, please do so. I caught him out. Are

2074
02:15:39,560 --> 02:15:47,640
you gonna talk or not? What's up? Man? Uh, this

2075
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:51,159
doesn't make any sense. Rosicrucian scum? What the fuck are

2076
02:15:51,199 --> 02:15:54,439
you talking about? Inquire longer two dollars. I went to

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my first divine liturgy. Unfortunately it was an Acumenist priest. Oh,

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sorry to hear that.

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Speaker 2: Hey can you hear me now?

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Speaker 5: Yep?

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Speaker 26: Hey, sorry man, it just glitched out on me. First

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of all, I wanted to say, awesome debate landslide, But

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similar to a few guys before, I was wondering if

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you could help me understand the.

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Speaker 3: RC perspective on something.

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Speaker 26: So Tim was using the passage in John where Jesus

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says all that the Father has he is given to

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me to prove the blyoqui And maybe I'm just too

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dumb to understand this, but then he then says that

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the son doesn't have generation, only the father has generation,

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and that spiration and generation is different.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's called a todtradiction, So exactly okay, but yeah,

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good question brought Brody Bushnell ten dollars. The first of

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the paper is here, very evident. I applaud you even

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being able to debate any of this with a straight face.

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Thank you people who feel my pain. David James Flood

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five pounds. I bought two World Wars and Tiny Mustache

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Man that's put out by Trying Day. Is a great book,

2099
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unbelievablemounts of research. It will become a classic. Yeah, I'm

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looking forward to that. I think Chris is going to

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send me a copy of that. And he said that

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he's finished the index for Ester Clay with three and

2103
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I think he said his goal is to put to

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send it to the printer next week. So thank you Chris. Awesome.

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Do you hear that? So a lot of people were

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waiting on their esotere Colly with reorder. It's going to

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the printer next week. According to Chris, he hopes to

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be able to get to the printer next week. I

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think it's looking good. He did send me the most

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recent copy. It has the entire index in it. Joseph

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Seambra five dollars.

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Speaker 3: Jay.

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Speaker 1: The most humorous part of the debate is at three

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hours twenty three minutes in when you asked him to

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give the book back. Yeah, because it was just not

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going I mean, it was making me mad because I

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felt like he was bogging the debate down in the

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topic of universal ordinary Magisterian not being infallible when it

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obviously is. And he admitted to me privately after the

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debate that he was wrong about that. I wish he

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had said that on air, but whatever, it's not even

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an issue. But he we didn't even get into the argument.

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I tried to squeeze it in at the ending because

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it was like, well, if this is nine hundred years

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of people teaching about geopolitical power, it's universal ordinary teaching.

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Doesn't matter whether it's okay, it's not ex cathedral, it's

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still universal teaching. No, but it not it it goes away.

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You can hand away one shot, big fat win. You

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totally cooked, absolutely floundered. He panicked like a squirrel when

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you went into dogmatic contradictions of the Vatican one and two.

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That's because I think Tim has a soft spot for

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traditional Catholic argumentation and he leans that way, and I

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think he knows deep down that you're not going to

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make Vatican two work. We didn't even get to go

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into the Vatican two statements about the well the post

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Vatican two is a ten to get rid of the

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how do we put it? The Good Friday prayers about

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people in the Middle East being perfidious and accursed and

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all that. If I recall when he debated one of

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the Roman Catholic guys that he disagrees with, he was

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defending the idea that this was a change. Tim says

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that Pope Francis contradicts and his statement in Amore's Latitia

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on divorce people receiving communion is a contradiction. So I

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mentioned that, but that was never addressed.

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Speaker 3: JB.

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Speaker 1: Five dollars. Everybody immediately starts cooking of their catechumen questions. Yeah.

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I specifically told you guys, I'm not answering your catechumen

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questions today, and I said, if you do ask them,

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I'm just going to boot you. I'm gonna move on,

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But then you're gonna get mad at me. So only

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The only reason I cave on that is because I

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know the way the internet works, and but her people,

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you know, some question, then they'll turn into angry harassers

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for the next five years because of something stupid like that.

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Even though I said, I'm not answering a Catechuyman questions

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today and I'm just gonna do more forceful on it

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and just let people get but hurt and mad. I

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will not answer your Catechuyman question today. Don't even bother

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asking me. I'm just gonna literally just move on. And

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if you're a butt hurt, that's your fault. JB member

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of six months. Liberals say morals are determined by consensus

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Roman Catholics. Catholicism has the most people, therefore it's true.

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This is atheist level logic. Yeah, you can tell that

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to the guy they called in at the beginning, John Kimble.

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Five dollars France, Spain, Portugal are literally becoming Muslim woll.

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The Muslims are also praying in Catholic churches, reading the

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Quran in the Catholic churches. I don't know if you

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know that. There's plenty of clips of this, especially in

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Germany places like that. Austria. But why is that a

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problem Because all the Roman Calvicks, remember the last month,

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they had a devastating defeat a couple of nights ago,

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Remember the devastating defeats a month ago that they all

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worshiped the same god as the Muslims, and they brought

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on gay professors to defend us. I mean, have fun,

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Roman Catholics. It's time to move on. I mean, I

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don't know how else to. Like, we're at the point

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where you get these people with these gay crashouts. Okay,

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it's over, Like they're done. I'm not talking about Tim,

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I'm talking about the other guy. Roll stakes twenty dollars?

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Did Romancantholicism fall to atheism in the French Revolution and

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then it fell to Protestantism and Reformation? Thus, how do

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they think that constant Nople isn't own? Yeah, if that's

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the proof, then Rome is refuted by Protestantism, atheism, the

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French Revolution, and Constantinople falling when it's Uni eate. I mean,

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this is how stupid these people are, Gabriel, But that

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disproves orthodoxy. Rome falls when it's Uni eate, and thus

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disproves Orthodoxy. That's what Gabriel, Gabriel, what's up?

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Speaker 8: Hold on?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, what do you what do you disagree with.

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Speaker 16: That I'm trying to like save Christianity?

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Speaker 1: What do you disagree with taking disagreements?

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Speaker 16: Okay, Okay, I disagree with the predilection of scripture. What

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of prioritizing scripture over.

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Speaker 3: The observation of God's creation?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Who who does that?

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Speaker 3: Sorry?

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Speaker 16: I can going to hear you anyway?

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Speaker 1: Who is doing that? Who were you saying is prioritizing

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Bible over creation? Who are you calling out? Who does that?

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Speaker 27: Orthodox followers that that I've discussed with, Like I've had

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theological discussions with.

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Speaker 16: I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: Okay, state what their position is and why it's wrong.

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Give the argument please.

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Speaker 15: Like I've encountered this recurrent argument that this world is

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the kingdom of Satan.

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Speaker 1: The world itself isn't the world system that is an

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opposition to God is the kingdom of Satan. But the

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world itself is created good, It's not of Satan. That's

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that's Manicheanism or dualism. We don't believe that.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's that's That's what I've responded.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then we don't disagree. So I'm not sure

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what the debate is. But moving on, Christopher Scott five dollars.

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I went to my first of vine leturgy. It was

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a great experience. I want to say thank you, thank you.

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Journey a Bud twenty dollars. What would you say to

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a cessation as says that the perfect has come in

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02:24:03,879 --> 02:24:12,639
one crienty is thirteen. But even after Paul wrote Corinthians,

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there's still miracles. So how does that? I don't understand

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how that. So are we supposed to believe that after

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Paul wrote to the Corinthians there have never been miracles

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in the church. I mean, aren't there miracles in the

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Book of Acts? I don't understand. Well, I mean, ultimately

2224
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the perfect is the Escuton, So I don't understand how

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this is an argument against miracles. Onyx Rock five dollars more,

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the more horrible Rumman Catholic arguments Jay here is the

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quicker he results to his final form of being Gordon Ramsey.

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02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:50,600
It is very difficult to have these really low tier ones,

2229
02:24:50,639 --> 02:24:53,319
like when we had Zachary just saying just just dumb stuff,

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which which we've responded to like it's just it's it's

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disrespectful to come on the stream and repeat really dumbload

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02:25:01,719 --> 02:25:05,280
twer arguments as if that hasn't been responded to a

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02:25:05,360 --> 02:25:08,280
thousand times. Even if you disagree, like to come on

2234
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here and just say that it's kind of disrespectful. Jordan

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02:25:10,319 --> 02:25:12,920
Daro two dollars. Rum is right because we have Romayne

2236
02:25:12,959 --> 02:25:14,799
let us. I might as well argue that. You know,

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Stevie five dollars. I know it's still early, but you've

2238
02:25:18,360 --> 02:25:22,600
been on quite the heater lately. Heater. What do you

2239
02:25:22,639 --> 02:25:26,920
think about the chance of winning this year's top christ

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following man. That's a righteous Gemstones joke. That's pretty funny. Yeah,

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I think you gotta be gay to get that. So

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I don't want that light in the dart? What's up

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02:25:36,360 --> 02:25:39,840
pondering metaphysics? Five dollars. I had to leave that debate midway.

2244
02:25:40,239 --> 02:25:45,079
Did you respond to claims that the Orthodox view of

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02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:49,760
Council's is epistemically circular? It was a Jay win. No,

2246
02:25:49,840 --> 02:25:54,120
there wasn't really any time to respond to every every assertion.

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Mark Medlick ten dollars. Jay, you forgot that Pope Katy

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02:25:58,479 --> 02:26:02,040
Perry and Cardinal so it said that they like Jesus

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a little bit. Savatican one and two are misinterpreted. The

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Nova Sorto is done and the traditional Latin mass is

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02:26:08,159 --> 02:26:10,079
coming back. You need to submit to Rome even though

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they're shutting down the traditional Latin messes yet, Eric Z

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02:26:13,239 --> 02:26:17,520
five dollars. All the rock Fin podcasts are down? Uh oh,

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I'm sure if if they're down, it's probably temporary. I

2255
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don't think it's done. I don't. I don't know why

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it's it's down at the moment, but I'm sure it'll

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eventually come back. Are they gone for good? Not that

2258
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:33,959
I've heard. If rock Fin is done or if they

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go down or something like that, I would definitely let

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you guys know, but I haven't heard that as of yet. Noah,

2261
02:26:38,840 --> 02:26:42,079
what's up? Sometimes websites go down for you know, maintenance

2262
02:26:42,159 --> 02:26:42,520
or whatever.

2263
02:26:42,639 --> 02:26:50,239
Speaker 28: Noah, Hi, Hey, how would you respond to the idea

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that orthodox Christian values are empathetical to American values?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Jesus takes precedence over American values, so

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it'd be an odd line of argument. What are the

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American values that we're supposed to submit to or that

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that are better than.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they're better or not.

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Speaker 29: I guess what I'm getting at is the idea that

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American values that are established through the Founding Fathers in

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their writing, Well.

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Speaker 1: That would just be enlightenment idolatry.

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Speaker 29: Right, So, how I guess, how do you, as an

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American and an Orthodox Christian.

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Speaker 2: Do both without.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how did a Christian in the third century

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02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:38,879
support Rome without supporting pagan Roman values?

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02:27:41,920 --> 02:27:42,040
Speaker 16: You?

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02:27:42,280 --> 02:27:43,920
Speaker 2: Well, they created alternate.

2281
02:27:43,559 --> 02:27:48,159
Speaker 1: Systems, I mean the church. Is that alternate system?

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02:27:48,200 --> 02:27:48,520
Speaker 16: Correct?

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02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:53,200
Speaker 1: Anyway? Good question. I'm not taking basically. I appreciate that,

2284
02:27:53,239 --> 02:27:54,959
but I'm not doing kind of basic q and A.

2285
02:27:55,079 --> 02:27:57,840
We're doing people who disagree, So do not call me in.

2286
02:27:58,360 --> 02:28:01,840
Do not call unless you disagree. We do open q

2287
02:28:01,959 --> 02:28:04,559
and as all the time. I'm only taking people to disagree.

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02:28:05,239 --> 02:28:08,239
So Andrew, please don't ask me FA you question, just

2289
02:28:08,280 --> 02:28:15,680
please tell me where you disagree. Otherwise, moving on, Andrew

2290
02:28:15,760 --> 02:28:16,399
was up, I'm you.

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Speaker 3: Hey, nice debate. There One thing I.

2292
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Speaker 30: Noticed that Tim did like a lot of Roman Catholic

2293
02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:30,440
state there was they brought up the the Monophysites in

2294
02:28:30,719 --> 02:28:36,120
regards to saying, oh, that's a different orthodoxy.

2295
02:28:36,360 --> 02:28:37,399
Speaker 3: Why did they keep doing that?

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Speaker 1: Will they think that this is an argument against us?

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02:28:43,559 --> 02:28:47,399
As if because someone schisms from us, that disproves us,

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or that we can't determine whose Orthodox because the term

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Orthodox is used. Well, by that line of argumentation, if

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the Orthodox Catholic Church uses the term Catholic versus the

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02:28:57,559 --> 02:29:00,559
Roman Catholic Church, then we couldn't determine what the churches

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because it's using the term Catholic. I mean, this is

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02:29:03,239 --> 02:29:06,040
like really low to argumentation. I also think they don't

2304
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realize that if you're going to argue that schisms disprove

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the church being the true church, then if the Roman

2306
02:29:14,319 --> 02:29:16,600
Catholic Church was the church of the first thousand years,

2307
02:29:16,600 --> 02:29:19,959
then the Orthodox schism disproves it. I mean, it's it's

2308
02:29:20,040 --> 02:29:22,959
kind of amazing that they don't see why that's such

2309
02:29:23,000 --> 02:29:26,799
a stupid argument. I mean, the Protestants split from the

2310
02:29:26,840 --> 02:29:30,000
Roman Catholics, Therefore the Roman Caloity Church is fake, it's

2311
02:29:30,040 --> 02:29:37,840
false because there's these schisms. Like again, are you not

2312
02:29:37,959 --> 02:29:42,399
catching how this is a dumb argument. If we can't

2313
02:29:42,440 --> 02:29:46,559
determine between the Orthodox and the Oriental Church because both

2314
02:29:46,600 --> 02:29:50,760
call themselves Orthodox, then by that same line of argument,

2315
02:29:50,879 --> 02:29:54,120
we can't determine between the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox

2316
02:29:54,159 --> 02:29:56,319
because they both call themselves Catholic. I mean, this is

2317
02:29:56,360 --> 02:30:02,840
so stupid, like wow, Rigavitch five dollars. I'm sad and confused.

2318
02:30:03,000 --> 02:30:05,959
Nick's behavior was odd. I was enjoying him. He takes

2319
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,000
wipes at you in Orthodoxy, but it is very prideful.

2320
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:12,719
It's scornful. It's wrong. If I remember your work, you

2321
02:30:12,760 --> 02:30:16,479
were usually respectful. I think so. Yeah, k c A,

2322
02:30:16,639 --> 02:30:19,159
California ten times, ten dollars. I'm a long time listener.

2323
02:30:19,200 --> 02:30:22,719
Please don't read this, okay, we he talks about some

2324
02:30:22,799 --> 02:30:26,799
kind of crypto young finess are two dollars. Jay, you're

2325
02:30:26,840 --> 02:30:38,600
my favorite cholo. Thank you. I'm making sure I didn't

2326
02:30:38,600 --> 02:30:49,239
miss anything on the stream. Loves here, buddy p. We

2327
02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:53,319
have an objective twenty donations. Somebody help us get to

2328
02:30:53,360 --> 02:30:56,520
those stickers. Yeah, there is a goal of super chats.

2329
02:30:56,520 --> 02:31:12,760
If you guys want to help fulfill that goal, Nick,

2330
02:31:12,840 --> 02:31:14,959
ten dollars. Have you noticed that the Roman Catholics are

2331
02:31:15,000 --> 02:31:17,280
saying scripture is really all you need to prove the papacy.

2332
02:31:17,639 --> 02:31:20,319
But when Jay used the scriptures to prove that Muslims

2333
02:31:20,440 --> 02:31:22,680
Christians don't worship the same God, they melted down and

2334
02:31:22,719 --> 02:31:26,040
said that it was Protestant soul scripture exactly that's a

2335
02:31:26,079 --> 02:31:28,280
really good one. There. That's a great super chet. That's

2336
02:31:28,280 --> 02:31:30,200
probably the super chat of the night right there, that

2337
02:31:30,280 --> 02:31:34,559
was a good catch. Jay Raymond five dollars. Why is

2338
02:31:34,600 --> 02:31:44,639
the Muslim in Italy because of open borders? Let's see

2339
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:47,639
gen Z five dollars. The Serbian Orthodox church I went

2340
02:31:47,680 --> 02:31:49,360
to had a fare and I helped out. It was

2341
02:31:49,360 --> 02:31:51,440
a lot of fun. The Serbs are great people. I

2342
02:31:51,520 --> 02:31:54,000
will enjoy, I think, becoming part of the Orthodox community. Yeah,

2343
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:59,239
the Serbs are awesome. Rachel Wilson ten dollars. You and

2344
02:31:59,239 --> 02:32:02,639
Andrew like or had the same favorite video games? Oh,

2345
02:32:02,680 --> 02:32:05,639
that's cool. I think I remember Andrew saying he liked

2346
02:32:05,639 --> 02:32:13,040
to play role playing games. And then I remember the

2347
02:32:13,079 --> 02:32:14,680
first time that we all went out to eat we

2348
02:32:14,680 --> 02:32:18,159
were talking about in Nashville. We were talking about gaming

2349
02:32:18,200 --> 02:32:20,159
and games, but I don't remember which ones he said

2350
02:32:20,200 --> 02:32:24,639
he liked. But yeah, I'm looking forward to playing Final

2351
02:32:24,680 --> 02:32:31,399
Fantasy seven Part two, and that's because I'm really pissed

2352
02:32:31,440 --> 02:32:35,399
off from Final seven Final Fantasy seven Remake Part one,

2353
02:32:36,879 --> 02:32:40,159
because I got screwed over by going to the Boss

2354
02:32:40,200 --> 02:32:43,639
too soon, and I if I wanted to, i'd have

2355
02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:47,360
to basically go back halfway and I don't want to.

2356
02:32:47,440 --> 02:32:51,040
I'm not doing like thirty hours of Final Fantasy over again.

2357
02:32:51,200 --> 02:32:53,120
So it pissed me off. And there was no way,

2358
02:32:53,159 --> 02:32:57,319
there was no save between between that to like not

2359
02:32:57,520 --> 02:33:02,440
be out the final Boss, and it just sucks. So

2360
02:33:03,639 --> 02:33:06,200
but I wasn't enjoying I was. I remember I got

2361
02:33:06,239 --> 02:33:12,959
super sick in twenty twenty three and I basically just

2362
02:33:13,000 --> 02:33:18,559
sat there playing Final Fantasy seven remake for like I

2363
02:33:18,559 --> 02:33:23,440
don't know, three days, and then I like accidentally got

2364
02:33:23,479 --> 02:33:26,280
to the boss and I'm like, oh no, and then

2365
02:33:26,319 --> 02:33:29,000
I'm screwed. So and the same thing happened in Final

2366
02:33:29,040 --> 02:33:32,879
Fantasy fifteen, which pisses me off. So I guess I

2367
02:33:32,879 --> 02:33:40,360
could then start this one when I'm done with this

2368
02:33:40,520 --> 02:33:49,000
year's I do always save. I'm actually pretty autistic about saving.

2369
02:33:49,879 --> 02:33:54,520
So but the reason was the reason I wasn't autistic

2370
02:33:54,559 --> 02:33:57,479
about saving was because I didn't I didn't realize I

2371
02:33:57,559 --> 02:34:03,600
was that close to the final Boss. So and the

2372
02:34:03,639 --> 02:34:09,920
same thing happened on Final Fantasy. I get the numbers

2373
02:34:09,959 --> 02:34:12,200
mixed up, whichever one is the one that Florence and

2374
02:34:12,280 --> 02:34:16,600
the Machine did the song for, and then I'm at

2375
02:34:16,600 --> 02:34:20,799
the and it's like I'm so weak that as soon

2376
02:34:20,840 --> 02:34:22,719
as I step into the fight with the boss, he

2377
02:34:22,840 --> 02:34:26,120
kills me. So it's like, there's literally no way you

2378
02:34:26,120 --> 02:34:28,079
could beat the boss at the level that I'm at,

2379
02:34:28,520 --> 02:34:30,360
And I'm like, why would they even let you get

2380
02:34:30,360 --> 02:34:32,399
to the boss if you're this weak? And it doesn't

2381
02:34:32,399 --> 02:34:37,799
make any sense? Is it fourteen? Let's see what fourteen is.