WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:47.240 Oh thats are and welcome to the show. 2 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:52.320 This is the Cult of Conspiracy. My name's Jonathan, and 3 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:56.560 today we are getting a little spooky, a little in 4 00:00:56.679 --> 00:01:00.840 the spirit of Halloween, and we're going to be talking 5 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:04.760 about something that most people probably haven't heard of. I 6 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:07.120 do want to give a major shout out to the 7 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:10.719 Museum of Tarot. I follow him on Instagram. Great guy. 8 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:12.480 I eventually would love to get him on the show. 9 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:15.680 I've talked to him, talked to I talked about him 10 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.040 in the past before because he's the one that kind 11 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.760 of brought back the Disian and goggles, which are badass. 12 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:25.000 I'm like super impressed that he was able to do that. 13 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.280 But he was talking about this story and I thought, 14 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:29.959 maybe I'll look a little bit deeper into it, and 15 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:35.159 holy shit, have you ever heard of Fillip the Ghost? 16 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:37.920 Fill up the Ghost? Give me an area of the 17 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:39.079 world we're talking about? 18 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:39.719 I have? 19 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:46.120 Well, this was like forty years ago ish, I don't 20 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.040 remember exactly what the date was, but basically, this group 21 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:53.200 of people called the Owen Group, they all got together 22 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.560 and decided, Yeah it was in the seventies, so about 23 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.359 fifty years ago now, but they all got together and 24 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:03.719 they were trying to, you know, lab science style, try 25 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:08.599 and figure out what's really going on whenever somebody creates, 26 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:12.240 whenever somebody does like a seance or to try and 27 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.319 create a ghost or a tulpa or an egg rigor 28 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:19.120 like what really goes on, like out of the spiritual mentality, 29 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.280 out of the religious mentality, Like we're just gonna document 30 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:26.960 whatever happens and just try and see if there are 31 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.240 people out there that are just full of shit, or 32 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.080 if there's actually something to it. Maybe there is something 33 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:34.159 to it, but that people don't understand exactly what they're 34 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:37.960 communicating with and so they're trying to really just completely 35 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:40.319 open minded, third eye all the way open as we 36 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.599 like to say, and and just trying to figure out 37 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.759 what went down with it. And so yeah, it's it's 38 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:50.919 pretty interesting, dude. And I think that for anybody out 39 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:55.639 there that is ghost hunting or staying at haunted hotels 40 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:59.159 and haunted houses like actual ones, not like carnival shit, 41 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.280 and or anybody that is taken there. What is it 42 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.080 called like an EVP, is that how they tracked the 43 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:07.639 ghost shit. 44 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:10.680 It's not an EMP. That's the electromagnetic poles. I know 45 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:11.879 he's talking about. 46 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.199 Yeah, basically to try and pick up on some kind 47 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:18.240 of ghost sounds. And dude, I actually got a lot 48 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:21.639 of hate from from uh my opinion about what was 49 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:26.120 actually going on with that, because people really they really 50 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.599 believe that, hey, we can talk to ghosts, We're talking 51 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:34.759 to disembodied spirits, right, And this basically people that were 52 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:38.960 in like the that are real into ghost hunting and 53 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.120 and just trying to pick up, you know, with with 54 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:45.120 their little devices maybe some disembodied sounds or something like that. 55 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:49.599 Although I do hate met on the cult on the cult, yeah, 56 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:51.360 like in the comments because I mentioned it like a 57 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:54.159 while back, and uh, but that's fine. I mean, everybody's 58 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:57.479 entitled with their own opinion. But yeah, and and basically 59 00:03:57.520 --> 00:03:59.560 what I was saying is is that, you know, I 60 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:03.159 believe that what's really going on is is that you're 61 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:07.919 putting out the energy and the emotion of wanting to 62 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.319 connect with something that is outside of you and maybe 63 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.719 maybe like somehow, some way, we are the ones that 64 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:19.879 are generating what we're picking up those on those devices. 65 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:21.399 But doesn't that. 66 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:24.319 Take away from the validity then And I'm not saying 67 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:25.920 this that's some sort of a matter of fact thing 68 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:29.839 I'm genuinely curious in your opinion. Right, So talk about 69 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.360 the double set experiment. Right, molecules and atoms know when 70 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:36.879 they are being watched, and they behave differently based upon this. Right, 71 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.639 setting intentions is important because it can literally change your 72 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:42.519 environment if you do it in such a way. 73 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:43.279 So I get this. 74 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.040 So if you are going out, and you're going let's 75 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.800 say it's just some abandoned house and there's some local 76 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.480 rumor and legend about what went down in this house 77 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:54.120 thirty years ago, and you go in there with your 78 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.920 devices and your spirit box and your whatever else, right, 79 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.399 and you are trying to pick up on something, but 80 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:02.399 you are like wanting so hard to pick up on 81 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:05.240 something that any small thing becomes. 82 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:06.759 You heard it too, right, You just heard it. 83 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.319 In reality, it was like a blip as opposed to 84 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:11.839 somebody who's going in there. Just like, listen, I'm not 85 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:13.800 saying I do or don't believe in shit. I'm just 86 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:17.079 here to take some readings and they pick up on readings. Right, 87 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:19.920 one of them seems more valid than the other, doesn't it? 88 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.160 Or am I just kind of making stuff up here? 89 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:25.000 I mean, and I don't know. I've never been ghost 90 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:28.120 hunting per se, but just as an outsider looking in, 91 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:31.120 I kind of look at that as we're the ones 92 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:35.040 that are the battery that is ultimately creating that, whether 93 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.600 it be energy or something that is emitting from us, 94 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:40.800 not necessarily that we're picking something up on the outside. 95 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:44.160 And I actually believe, and I could be wrong on this, 96 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:47.560 This is just an idea. I believe that it's possible 97 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.199 that that's what people are like picking up on whenever 98 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:52.519 they go bigfoot hunting too. 99 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:57.319 So just so we're all on the same page here, 100 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.079 even because you've done this research before, he presents it 101 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.360 to me here this evening. Okay, So I have no 102 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:04.759 idea where we're about to go. First time hearing about 103 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:06.680 Philip the ghosts, I thought I might know this is. 104 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:08.360 This is from America, Europe? 105 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:12.639 What I oh, you know what, I don't exactly know 106 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:14.839 where it is. We're gonna read about it. 107 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:15.759 We'll get you. 108 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.879 So you are still, even after your research, you're still 109 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:23.199 of the belief that this is basically people manifesting these things. 110 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:26.040 It's not something that's inherent in this house and they 111 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:28.319 are just picking up with their with their readers and 112 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:32.279 shiit as of right now, like I'm saying the person's 113 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:32.800 the battery. 114 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:35.639 That's kind of like where I lean. I'm not saying 115 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.959 that I one hundred percent know. It's just like you know, 116 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.160 that's where my gut tells me, and it's and to 117 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.959 be honest, whenever it comes to this, this experiment that 118 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:47.720 we're about to talk about, even they left it open 119 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.199 ended just so we're clear, like it's not like an 120 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.439 open and shut case, So feel free to have an 121 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:54.879 opinion whenever we're we're reading through. I'm not going to 122 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:56.759 have like a gotcha moment or on this because I 123 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:59.040 don't know, they don't know. They kind of just left 124 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.439 it up to like, Yo, this is what we documented 125 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.480 and uh, it's not what you thought, you know, like 126 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:06.680 at least the data that they were able to collect 127 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:11.279 on it. So we are going to be talking about 128 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:18.120 how a psychical research group brought Phillip the Ghosts to life. 129 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:20.079 Are you ready for this one? 130 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:20.560 Dude? 131 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:24.959 I am, dude, let's fucking go yes, Yes, And so yeah, 132 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.040 I did want to say if anybody wants to be 133 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:29.879 able to see the articles that we are that we're 134 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.360 going to be alluding to rather than just hearing about it, 135 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:35.720 then come over to Patreon dot com slash Cult of 136 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:36.519 Conspiracy podcast. 137 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:38.120 That link is down the show notes below. 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This is my 162 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:50.559 first time ever hearing of this website and we actually 163 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:54.759 got two of their articles today, so shout out to them. So, yeah, 164 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:58.000 how a psychical research group brought Phillip the Ghost to life. 165 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.759 Now you might be wondering what the fuck is this 166 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.960 goal research group? That's kind of like if you remember 167 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:06.679 back in the seventies, the CIA was doing a lot 168 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:10.600 of remote viewing shit, and you know all the weird 169 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.360 physic psychic shit that they were doing back then kind 170 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:16.559 of the same thing, right, Like Uri Geller was never 171 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:18.840 a CIA agent, He just worked on behalf of them, 172 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:22.440 and like a bunch of other people like that that 173 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:26.799 were super into consciousness and quantum stuff and you know, 174 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:30.039 like the spooky action at a distance that nobody can 175 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.480 really understand or explain like that kind of stuff. So 176 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:36.519 just want to throw it out there. And we also 177 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:41.399 have an article about how Northilpe Grumming is going to say, 178 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.159 well you can't do this, We're gonna We're gonna create 179 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.919 some electronics that allow you to do it. Okay, so 180 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.360 it's gonna get really weird. I had to bring them 181 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:52.159 in because I saw that article and I was like, 182 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:54.519 get the fuck out of here. You want to talk 183 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:57.840 about transhumanists. That's really this is like what I believe 184 00:09:57.879 --> 00:09:59.799 they're really trying to do. They want people to get 185 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:02.399 suit super excited about this kind of stuff and look 186 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:04.159 into it and maybe even try it and then give 187 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.480 up because most people are into you know, one or 188 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:08.639 two or three minute videos before they move on to 189 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.200 the next one on TikTok and you know, everywhere else, 190 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.200 and so they know that the patience that the people 191 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.879 have is very thin. It's you need a lot of patients. 192 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:19.159 Whatever you're doing, like this kind of work, right, like 193 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.879 these people. Some people they do it for a couple 194 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:25.679 of days without getting any signs. Most people just move on, right. 195 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:31.240 And so nowadays you have the military industrial complex saying 196 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:33.360 don't worry, we got your back. 197 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:36.759 So I mean, you tell me we're combining ghosties with 198 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:41.080 the military industrial complex. I mean, you have my undivided attention, sir. 199 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:41.919 Let's fucking go. 200 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:44.600 Let's go. So but first we before we get to that, 201 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:50.279 So it starts out by saying this, consider these familiar experiences. 202 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.200 A group of teenagers gathered around a Wiji board receives 203 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:57.480 mysterious messages from a person spirit who claims to have 204 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:01.399 died forty years ago. A parent normal society conducts a 205 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.879 seance where they contact a ghost that communicates by rapping 206 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:07.559 on a table. And I didn't know what rapping on 207 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:08.879 a table meant, so I had to look it up. 208 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:12.519 Wrapping on a table, happing, Well, it says rapping table rap, but. 209 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:15.320 That also like hitting or tapping. 210 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.159 So table rapping refers to the sounds of knocking or 211 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:21.720 tapping made on the table, often attributed to spirits communicating 212 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:24.360 with the living during spiritualist sessions. 213 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:25.639 So I did. 214 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:27.360 I'd never heard of that term before. You think I 215 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:29.840 would have, but nope, it was my first time. Yeah. 216 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.000 I've never really done the whole seance thing though, you know, 217 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:38.039 I mean i'd be interested, I'd be interested, but no anyhow. So, yeah, 218 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:42.279 and continuing, the residents of a of a century old 219 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:44.840 home see the spirit of a young child playing in 220 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:47.120 the hallway. Everybody's heard of these stories and maybe you've 221 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:50.240 seen a movie on it, right, Yeah, so what are 222 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:53.960 these manifestations. Are they truly the ghosts of departed people 223 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:56.960 or are they creations of the minds of the people 224 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.600 who see them? Quite the interesting question. There so many 225 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.679 researchers of the paranormal suspect that some ghostly manifestations in 226 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.320 poltergeist phenomena, whether it be objects flying through the air 227 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:13.159 or unexplained footsteps and door slamming, are products of the 228 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:17.000 human mind. To test that idea, a fascinating experiment was 229 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.200 conducted in the early seventies by the Toronto Society for 230 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:23.919 Psychical Research also known as TSPR to see if they 231 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:27.440 could create a ghost. They were trying to create this 232 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:31.720 fucking thing right out of thin air. The idea was 233 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:34.240 just to assemble a group of people who would make 234 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:38.879 up a completely fictional character and then through seances, see 235 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:41.879 if they could contact him and receive messages and other 236 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:47.639 physical or physical phenomena, perhaps even an apparition. So I 237 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:49.799 saw that, and of course I grab my attention right, 238 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:51.440 It's it's crazy. 239 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:55.519 You got a group of people to create, I guess, 240 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:58.279 for the lack of better words here an imaginary friend, 241 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:00.639 and then they were going to see it. They could 242 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:03.639 make technology to communicate with this thing. 243 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:07.519 Well, they had the technology to be able to record it, 244 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.559 and not even just technology. I mean you're talking about 245 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:12.759 like and we're going to get into it, but you're 246 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:18.080 whatever somebody might experience that is paranormal within a seance, 247 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:22.200 within ouiji borg, within a tarot reading even right, like 248 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:25.879 whatever kind of spooky action that you know, oh my god, 249 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.799 that I know that there's a spirit here, right, whatever 250 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.639 kind of shit that is, and how they would record it. 251 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:34.159 This is what they're trying to document. It is the 252 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:38.279 actual physical evidence of this thing existing. And so they 253 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:41.159 were trying to create one to try and see like, 254 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:44.759 all right, are these disembodied spirits or is this something 255 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:49.320 that the human mind is literally creating? And there's it's 256 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:52.080 kind of a perceptual reality, you know what I mean. 257 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:58.600 So that is where we birth Philip, Oh, Philip the 258 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:02.600 tspr under, the guy of doctor A. R. G. Owen 259 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:07.159 three initials, and then Owen assembled a group of eight 260 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.440 people called from its membership, none of whom claim to 261 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:13.320 have any psychic gifts. The group, which became known as 262 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.440 the Owen Group, consisted of doctor Owen's wife, a woman 263 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:20.120 who was the former chairperson of MENSA. I don't know 264 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.720 what that is, an industrial designer, an accountant, a housewife, 265 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:30.080 a bookkeeper, and a sociology student. A psychologist named doctor 266 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.080 Joel Whitten also attended many of the group sessions as 267 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.759 an observer. The group's first task was to create their 268 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:38.159 fictional character real quick. 269 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:44.960 MENSA is a worldwide IQ group. That is, MENSA International 270 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:48.200 is the largest and oldest high IQ society in the world. 271 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.440 It is a non profit organization open to people who 272 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:54.759 score at least at the ninety eighth percentile or hire 273 00:14:55.200 --> 00:15:00.840 on standardized Supervised IQ or other approved intelligence tests. If 274 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.960 I'm not mistaken, Natalie Portman is also a MENSA member, 275 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:06.440 along with Shakira Oh. 276 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.240 Her hips didn't lie neither, and she. 277 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.240 Also speaks four languages. He's actually fucking brilliant. But anyway, 278 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:14.200 I do love me some Shakira. 279 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:17.759 So anyway, that person and a bunch of other people 280 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:22.919 got together and they were they So the group's first 281 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:27.000 task was to create their fictional historical character, so literally, 282 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:30.440 a fake character that they built the history off of, 283 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:35.399 like they created history with right. So together they wrote 284 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.000 a short biography of the person that they named Philip Aylesford. 285 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.480 Here in part is that biography so it says. Philip 286 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:47.120 was an aristocratic Englishman living in the middle sixteen hundreds 287 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.519 at the time of Oliver Cromwell. He had been a 288 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:53.240 supporter of the king and was a Catholic. He was 289 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:56.720 married to a beautiful but cold and frigid wife, Dorothea, 290 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:00.639 and the daughter of a neighboring nobleman. One day, when 291 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.399 out riding on the boundaries of his estate, Philip came 292 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:07.440 across a gypsy encampment, shout out to the gypsies and 293 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:13.000 saw there a beautiful, dark eyed girl, raven haired gypsy girl, Margo, 294 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.840 and fell instantly in love with her. He brought her 295 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.600 back secretly to live in the gatehouse near the stables 296 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:22.360 of Diddington Manor, his family home. For some time, he 297 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.360 kept his love nest secret, but eventually Dorothea, realizing he 298 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.519 was keeping someone else there, found Margo and accused her 299 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:33.519 of witchcraft and stealing her husband. Philip was too scared 300 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.559 of losing his reputation and his possessions to protest to 301 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.519 protest at a trial of Margo, and she was convicted 302 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.720 of witchcraft and burned at the stake. Philip was subsequently 303 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:46.360 stricken with remorse that he had not tried to defend 304 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:52.840 Margo and used to pace the battlements of Diddington in despair. Finally, 305 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:55.000 one morning his body was found at the bottom of 306 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:59.679 the battlements, whence he had cast himself in a fit 307 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:03.039 of agony and remorse. So this is the fake history 308 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:05.599 that they created this for this guy, right, this is. 309 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:09.640 Very fake history because like, oh, I'm not trying to 310 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:11.799 like poke holes in it because it's their narrative and 311 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.039 I'm not trying to shit here. But like English in 312 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.400 the sixteen hundreds, then he was a supporter of the king, 313 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.200 but he was also a Catholic. That's conflating things here, 314 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:24.559 because like the king was Protestant the sixteen hundred. They're 315 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:26.039 not like King James the First, the writer of the 316 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:29.960 King James Bible, Oliver Cromwell was a Protestant who murdered, 317 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.440 genocidally murdered Irish Catholics. That's why I would say, to 318 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:37.400 the day I die, fuck Oliver Cromwell. And yeah, this 319 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.960 dude was a nobleman who was also Okay, it's kind 320 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:42.200 of weird, it's a little out there, but that's kind of. 321 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:44.079 The point in this case, right, Well, I mean you 322 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:46.400 could also suggest that they that they did it that 323 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:49.400 way on purpose because there couldn't have been this character 324 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:56.680 whoever existed, right, They contradict too much so the Owen 325 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:01.039 group even enlisted the artistic sick talents of one of 326 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:04.920 its members to sketch a portrait of Philip with their creations. 327 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.480 With their creation's life and appearance now firmly established in 328 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:11.359 their minds, the group began the second phase of the 329 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:17.680 experiment contact let's go okayby so, all of that, the history, 330 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:19.759 the picture, you know what he looks like, you know 331 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:22.000 where he comes from, you know what he's about, you 332 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:23.960 know that he was kind of hoeing around on his 333 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:28.440 wife whatever, right like that is cemented into the image 334 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:31.319 that people have of this character that they're now trying 335 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:33.720 to connect with through the use of a seance. 336 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:34.839 Okay, okay. 337 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:39.119 So in September of nineteen seventy two, the group began 338 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:43.039 their sittings, informal gatherings in which they would discuss Philip 339 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:46.400 and his life, meditate on him, and try to visualize 340 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:51.000 their collective hallucination in more detail. These settings, conducting in 341 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:53.519 a fully lit room, went on for about a year 342 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:57.480 with no results. A year. Dude, this is how like 343 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.960 consistent they were with the entire thing, right wow. Some 344 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:03.279 members of the group occasionally claimed that they felt a 345 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:05.359 presence in the room, but there was no result that 346 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:08.559 they could consider any kind of communication from Philip, so 347 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:11.480 they changed their tactics. The group decided that they might 348 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:14.559 have better luck if they attempted to duplicate the atmosphere 349 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:18.119 of a classic spiritualist seance. They dimmed the room's lights, 350 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:21.680 sat around a table, sang songs, and surrounded themselves with 351 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:24.599 pictures of the type of castle they imagined Philip would 352 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:27.599 have lived in, as well as objects from that time period, 353 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:32.319 and it worked during During one evening seance, the group 354 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:35.359 received its first communication from Philip, in the form of 355 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:39.000 a distinct rap on the table. Soon Philip was answering 356 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:42.559 questions asked by the group. One rap for yes, two 357 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:45.559 for no. They knew it was Philip because well, they 358 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.599 asked him. I mean, hey, how else are you gonna 359 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:53.839 get clarification on him? The sessions took off from there, 360 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:57.400 producing a range of phenomena that could not be explained scientifically, 361 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:01.920 though through the table rapping communication, the group was able 362 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:05.079 to learn finer details about Philip's life. He even seemed 363 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:08.559 to exhibit a personality conveying his likes and dislikes, and 364 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.359 his strong views on various subjects, made plain by the 365 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:15.279 enthusiasm or hesitancy of his knockings. His quote unquote spirit 366 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.359 was also able to move the table, sliding it from 367 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:20.599 side to side, despite the fact that the floor was 368 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:24.000 covered with thick carpeting. At times, it would even dance 369 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:30.519 on one leg. Okay, what yeah, dude, Yeah, it's fucking wild. 370 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:33.440 And so this was Philip, like it told them, yep, 371 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:35.279 I'm the guy you've been seeing, Like this is me. 372 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:39.160 This is yeah. This They were calling him out and 373 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:43.240 and like group meditating and trying to like bring him 374 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:47.119 out right, and like the the table was moving around 375 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:49.680 so much that it got up on fucking one leg, dude. 376 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.160 So I don't know, this is much. This is much 377 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:55.039 more than just a Ouiji board kind of setting here, right, yeah, 378 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:58.640 a little bit. So now we get to Phillip's limitations 379 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:01.119 and his power. This is going to be interesting. So 380 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:05.480 that Philip was a creation of the group's collective imagination 381 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:10.039 was evident in his limitations. Although he could accurately answer 382 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:12.839 questions about events and people of his time period, it 383 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:15.400 did not appear to be information that the group was 384 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:18.880 unaware of. In other words, Philip's responses were coming from 385 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:22.680 their subconscious, their own minds. Some members thought that they 386 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:25.480 heard whispers and response to questions, but no voice was 387 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:30.319 ever captured on tape. Philip's psychokinetic powers, however, were amazing 388 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.799 and completely unexplained. That would be the table moving around, 389 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.720 and the little wrappings and whatnot. If the group asked 390 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.079 Philip to dim the lights, they would dim instantly. When 391 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.119 asked to restore the lights, he would oblige. The table 392 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:47.359 around which the group sat was almost always the focal 393 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:50.960 point of peculiar phenomena. After feeling a cool breeze blow 394 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:53.720 across the table, they asked Philip if he could cause 395 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:57.240 it to start and stop at will. He could, and 396 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:00.359 he did. The group noticed that the table itself felt 397 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:04.039 different to the touch whenever Philip was present, having a 398 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:08.000 subtle electric or a live quality. On a few occasions, 399 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.640 a fine mist formed over the center of the table. 400 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:14.200 Most astonishing, the group reported that the table would sometimes 401 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:17.960 be so animated that it would rush over to that 402 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:19.960 the table would be so animated that it would rush 403 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:22.960 over to meet late comers, to the session or even 404 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.079 trap members in the corner of the room. The table 405 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:29.240 is moving, okay, just so are clear on that. Some 406 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:32.480 people would say there's demons in here. Maybe there is. 407 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:32.960 I don't know. 408 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:35.960 I want to reserve my own opinions until we get 409 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:36.640 the whole story. 410 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:40.240 But all right, I mean weird, right, Like, if you'd 411 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:43.160 never seen this before, you would assume that there is 412 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:47.400 a fucking poltergeist about right a little bit so. The 413 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:50.640 climax of the experiment was a seance conducted before a 414 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:54.279 live audience of fifty people. The session was also filmed 415 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:58.319 as part of a television documentary. Fortunately, Philip was not 416 00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:03.519 stage shy in perform above expectations. Besides table wrappings, other 417 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.720 noises around the room, and making lights blink on and off, 418 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:10.480 the group actually attained a full levitation on the table. 419 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:12.920 It rose only a half inch above the floor, but 420 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.759 it was but this incredible feat was witnessed by the 421 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:19.599 group and and the film crew. Unfortunately, the dim lighting 422 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:23.079 prevented the levitation from being captured on the film. Damn, 423 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:24.799 imagine getting that caught on camera. 424 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:28.119 Wow, And it. 425 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:31.039 Says and by the way, I mean, we don't know 426 00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:34.200 these people could be full on shams, right, there's like 427 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:38.960 it's hard to get validation and to find out if 428 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:41.480 it's a real story. I'm more inclined to believe that 429 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:46.000 it's real because these people literally they they dedicated, you know, 430 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:48.000 a large portion of their life to try and figure 431 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:52.559 what this, what this is for science? Right, So I mean, 432 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:53.960 do do what you will with that. 433 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:59.000 So we're gonna keep going here. 434 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:01.160 But yeah, I pulled up in article actually shows the 435 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:03.799 picture of Philip that they made in all of these things. 436 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:05.480 So I'm excited. 437 00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:07.759 I am excited to see because apparently they made a 438 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:09.079 movie based off of this. 439 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:12.640 Yeah, I think that that's what this is, the Philip Experiment. 440 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:15.759 Oh, this is an actual video of it. So for 441 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:17.279 anybody who doesn't know, if you ever heard of the 442 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:21.440 movie The Quiet Ones, oh, that is based off of this. 443 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:24.319 As a matter of fact, Yes, I actually have an 444 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:27.720 article that's going to be showing like what parts are 445 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:31.079 from this experiment and what parts did Hollywood take their 446 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:34.000 own liberties too? So anybody has ever seen that? 447 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:34.559 Interesting? 448 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.920 But this is the actual footage of what was going on, right, 449 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:40.960 And we're not gonna watch it or anything, but you 450 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:43.240 can kind of see how the group is all around 451 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:45.240 this one table and. 452 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:47.960 Maybe they'll get to it. But it's eleven mites. It 453 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.279 happened in Canada, just so we're clear. It happened in Canada. 454 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:56.960 Although the guy uh three letters Owens was from Britain, 455 00:24:57.720 --> 00:24:59.799 so like he was from that area, but then he 456 00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:02.160 move move to Canada for the experiment, so like the 457 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.519 whole the idea, like a British nobleman and all these 458 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.160 things like that's where that whole thing came from. 459 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.279 But still interesting. 460 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:11.039 Oh yeah, dude, so uh and maybe we'll go back 461 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:12.880 and watch a little bit more of that actual the 462 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.319 actual footage of it, because that's what they said. They 463 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:19.440 had the film crew there, so all right. It says 464 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:23.480 although the Philip Experiment gave the Owen group far more 465 00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:27.000 than they ever imagined possible, it was never able to 466 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:30.200 attain one of their original goals, to have the spirit 467 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:36.000 of Philip actually materialize. That was their goal. Wow, that's 468 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:36.880 I mean. 469 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.559 Like materializing what way? I mean you're making a table 470 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:45.160 move maybe bringing material to me. You may actually physically appear. 471 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.480 Maybe like see a ghost or you know something like that. 472 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:50.640 Okay, okay, I got you. 473 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:53.480 So it goes on. It says the Philip experiment was 474 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.759 so successful that the Toronto organization decided to try it 475 00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.559 again with a completely different group of people and a 476 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.799 new fictional character. After just five weeks, the new group 477 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:07.920 established quote unquote contact with their quote unquote ghost named Lilith. 478 00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:12.279 How about that, But this Lilith, what you know, the 479 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:17.880 the fictional history of this character was a French Canadian spy. 480 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:22.119 So not the Lilith, not the one that was like 481 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.240 Adam's girl or anything like that. But this is something different, interesting, 482 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:28.880 interesting to call that name out in a in a 483 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:31.359 setting like this, though, you know, I was. 484 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:33.480 Gonna say, but all right, yeah, let's go. 485 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:38.079 So other similar experience conjured or experiments conjured up such 486 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:42.839 entities as Sebastian, a medieval alchemist, and even Axel, a 487 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:46.160 man from the future. All of them were completely fictional 488 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:50.440 yet produced unexplained communication through their unique raps. A Sydney, 489 00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:55.400 Australia group attempted a similar test with the Skippy experience experiment. 490 00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:00.359 The six participants created the story of Skippy Cartman, a 491 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:04.160 fourteen year old Australian girl. A group reports that Skippy 492 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:08.200 communicated with them through raps and scratching sounds, so everybody's 493 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.519 getting a little something from this, at bare minimum, a 494 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.839 couple of taps on the table, you know, Like that's 495 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.160 enough for me. Like that's if I saw that. If 496 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.680 I heard that, if I was in that setting, I'd 497 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.039 be like, okay, you sold me right, Like what else 498 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:22.720 could explain that? 499 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.160 So I find it interesting that their first go round 500 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.279 took over a year before they had any kind of 501 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:33.720 thing happen. Next experiment took five weeks, So it seems 502 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.920 like they might have figured out how to correctly perform 503 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.720 a seance. Maybe that year's time they were doing an experiment. Okay, 504 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:44.960 for anybody who does conduct seances, keep in mind what 505 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.359 I'm saying right now is completely out of ignorance. Just 506 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.079 bear with me, maybe, Like okay, so does the candle 507 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:52.279 need to be at the very corner of the table 508 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:54.200 or does it need to be about six inches in 509 00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:54.880 from the table? 510 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:55.799 Does that matter? 511 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.400 Does it not like they were really giving it a 512 00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:02.480 real experimental the old college try if you will. So 513 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:04.960 maybe it took them that long to find exactly what 514 00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:06.640 to do to get a response. 515 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.400 I don't know. And I'll tell you this, dude, just 516 00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:12.599 from the magicians that I've talked to in the past 517 00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.440 and stuff like that. They'll say that, you know, the 518 00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.200 big thing that you want to do whenever you're working 519 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.400 with an angel or a demon or a spirit or 520 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.640 something on the other side, the main thing that you 521 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:29.079 want to do is try and gather as much information 522 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.440 as you possibly can about them, because you want to 523 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.759 know who they are so that you can connect to 524 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.920 them like mentally a little bit, you know what I mean. Like, 525 00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:41.599 you know, if you're calling on Abe Lincoln but you 526 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.200 don't even know that his favorite color was red, then 527 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:46.319 are you really connecting to them kind of thing. I mean, 528 00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.759 that's more of a contrived example, but you know, you 529 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:50.759 want to try and get as much information about that 530 00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:54.400 about that entity as you can because you're trying to 531 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.640 almost quantum entangle yourself with them. That's the idea behind it. 532 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:01.640 From what I understand, so pretty interesting. I mean, it's 533 00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:04.759 all mental, is what you know. You're trying to mentally connect. 534 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.839 So anyhow, moving on, it says the conclusion is is 535 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.799 that what are we to make of these incredible experience experiments. 536 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.839 While some would conclude that they would prove that ghosts 537 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.880 don't exist, that such things are in our minds only 538 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:21.640 others say that are unconscious could be responsible for this 539 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.720 kind of phenomena. Some of the time they do not, 540 00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:28.839 in fact, cannot prove that there are no ghosts, so 541 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.279 they left it up to interpretation. They're like, we don't 542 00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:35.799 know if it's absolutely ghosts or anything. But everybody that 543 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:39.799 was over there, they knew that they created this fictional character. 544 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:43.160 It was performing as they thought that it would, right. 545 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.440 It was giving answers, it was tapping on the table. 546 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:49.279 It was doing literally exactly what they expected outside of 547 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:54.400 materializing in like a ghost y type form. Right. So, 548 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.519 I mean they were led to believe that this could 549 00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:01.240 have been something that was kind of mentally charged, which 550 00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:05.480 is quite fascinating. So where was I So another point 551 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:08.480 of view is that even though Philip was completely fictional, 552 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.839 the Owen group really did contact the spirit world a 553 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.759 playful or perhaps demonic Some would argue spirit took the 554 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.640 opportunity of these seances to quote unquote act as Philip 555 00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:23.799 and produce the extraordinary psychokinetic phenomena recorded. See this is 556 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.359 where it gets a little muddy, because you're like, all right, well, 557 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.759 these are just the tricksters. This is somebody who is 558 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:32.440 pretending to be this Phillip character, right, and maybe that's 559 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.000 the case. I mean, I don't know how you would 560 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.799 go about proving that. Maybe if they kept it around 561 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.279 for long enough, and maybe Philip would take a little 562 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.880 turn and you know, get inside somebody's mind and say, hey, 563 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.240 let's drive off this cliff together. Who knows? 564 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.119 I mean, right, Fuck dude, I don't know. 565 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.640 I'm just saying, like, sometimes things take a wrong turn. 566 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.359 I don't know, but it says so. 567 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.680 This experiment took a wrong turn, though at. 568 00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:57.680 Least not documented. 569 00:30:58.279 --> 00:30:59.759 Right, Okay, okay, right. 570 00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.720 So in any case, the experiments proved that paranormal phenomena 571 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.599 are quite real, and like most such investigations, they leave 572 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.240 us with more questions than answers about the world in 573 00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:14.359 which we live. The only certain conclusion is that there 574 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.799 is much to our existence that is still unexplained, which 575 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:20.880 is my favorite. I love the unexplained shit more than 576 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:26.559 anything I think. So, yeah, I had table wrapping. That 577 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.559 was the knocking on the table. Now I want to 578 00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:30.440 get over because you had mentioned it a little bit early. 579 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.000 That's the one I pulled up. Yes, dude, yeah, yeah, 580 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.720 So this is actually called Hollywood or history versus Hollywood 581 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:41.079 dot com and this is the Quiet Ones history versus Hollywood, 582 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.519 So we wanted to see, like, all right, where do 583 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:46.519 the stories actually match up? Because there is more details 584 00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.400 to that story about Philip that was kind of an overview. 585 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:51.079 We're going to get to a little bit more of 586 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.119 that story later. But yeah, uh so, where does it 587 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.799 actually match up with the story? And for anybody that's 588 00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:01.640 ever seen The Quiet Ones, so this is the you know, 589 00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.880 it just shows the different faces of the characters in 590 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:09.519 the in the story and then in the movie. The 591 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.000 questioning the story is the girl in the movie Jane 592 00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.839 Harper based on a real person? No, because this is 593 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.079 literally based on somebody creating a fucking tulpa, right like, 594 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.039 So it can't be based on any real character because 595 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.039 it was never a real character to begin with. So 596 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.160 it says no, the character is entirely fictional. The real 597 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:33.200 experiment did not involve researching the negative telekinetic energy surrounding 598 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.680 a troubled girl in an effort to separate her from 599 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.640 it and or stop her from producing it. Instead, the 600 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.400 real life research team attempted to manifest to go solely 601 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:45.759 from a fictional character they made up and named Philip Aylsford. 602 00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:50.799 In the movie, Professor Joseph Coopland and his team focus 603 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.000 on Ev, the demonic being that they believe is attached 604 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:57.359 to the unstable girl Jane Harper. They perform experiments on 605 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.079 Jane in hopes of separating her from the Poulter guy. 606 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.319 In the beginning, Professor Coopland believes that the malevolent spirit 607 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.920 EV Dwyer is not a Poltergeist at all, but merely 608 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:12.400 a manifestation of the negative energy that produced that produced 609 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.119 by that was produced by Jane, much like a cancer. 610 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.519 He believes that it can be drawn out and removed, 611 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.839 in turn healing Jane. That's how the movie. 612 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.160 Went, right, gotcha? Gotcha? 613 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.640 So obviously Hollywood's gonna take their little liberties and everything. 614 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:30.559 But so what year did the real experiment? The Philip 615 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:35.480 experiment happened, and happened in nineteen seventy two, and I 616 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.640 can't remember there was something else. Oh, check this out. 617 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:41.400 So this is the seance in the actual movie, because 618 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.799 I believe in the movie they were trying to transfer 619 00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:49.920 the spirit from her into this little baby doll, right. 620 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:54.200 Of course, because why would you use what kind of 621 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.279 container do you use for a Poultergeist? Clearly a doll 622 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.799 is the correct answer. I mean, we got fucking Annabelle 623 00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:02.799 who matt rifhones. 624 00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:05.720 But whatever, not everybody has a spare pig that they 625 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.400 can cast the negative spirits into. 626 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.840 Jacob I was thinking maybe like a crystal ball or something. 627 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.920 I don't know, Maybe that's just Hollywood eching its. 628 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.039 Way through my brain at this point. 629 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:15.519 I don't know. 630 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:16.679 I don't even know if that would work. 631 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.159 Yeah, I don't know either. But and then this is 632 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:23.119 the real group right here of the people that were 633 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.880 kind of trying to bring Philip to life. So you can, man, 634 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:28.960 look at how old school that shit is with the 635 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.480 check like the the checker pants right here, and. 636 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.480 They all have plaid pants. 637 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:42.599 All the women have the short hair weird. Yeah. So yeah, 638 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:46.119 it's just like your grandma's look, you know. Yeah. Sure, 639 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:49.119 So it says what was the purpose of the Philip experiment? 640 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.920 So in researching the Quiet Ones true story, we discovered 641 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.800 that the purpose of the real experiment was to prove 642 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.440 that the supernatural is a manifestation of what already exists 643 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.719 in the mind. Proving such a hypothesis true doesn't necessarily 644 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:03.880 mean that ghosts aren't real. It just means that they 645 00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:07.320 are created by us instead of instead of coming from 646 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.360 somewhere else. For example, if you grew up fearing an 647 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:13.440 evil old woman that lurks under your bed and will 648 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.920 grab your ankles when you step onto the floor, you 649 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.119 imagining the woman in detail could be enough to manifest 650 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:24.199 her into actual demonic spirit. Tell me you haven't thought 651 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.800 about that before, Like you've ever been scared to hang 652 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:29.400 a leg off the bed while you're sleeping, or scared 653 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.880 to walk down like a dark hallway, and like you 654 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.159 start to get like these weird images that pop into 655 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.960 your head that only scare you even more. And maybe 656 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:41.559 it's that energy that's scaring. That fear is ultimately the 657 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:44.519 battery that creates, at least the perception of it. That's 658 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:45.639 kind of what they're alluding to. 659 00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:48.880 Well, I mean every kid has had that, right, every 660 00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.119 ill on them it's an old woman under your bed 661 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.760 or something. But the monster under your bed, right, that 662 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.360 is a That's an old trope that has been around 663 00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:58.679 for forever. But I mean we've talked about how powerful 664 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.000 the mind is multiple times. You know, as a kid, 665 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.320 I can remember one time my closet was open and 666 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:06.800 the lights were all off in my room. And I 667 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.199 didn't have a night light or anything like that, so 668 00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:10.119 it was pitch black except for like what was being 669 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:12.599 shown from like the street light through the blinds in 670 00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.480 my room, you know what I mean. Cool, And there 671 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:18.039 was something in my closet, and I know for a 672 00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.320 fucking fact there was and I'm like, what in the 673 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.400 hell is that thing? I swear I saw this thing move, 674 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:25.519 and I'm like losing my fucking mind. 675 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.440 I flip on the light. It was a sweater that was. 676 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.760 Like balled up in a weird way on top of 677 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.440 a shelf that I had in there. And that's why 678 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.360 it was out of the norm, because I'd never balled 679 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:36.920 up my sweaters and put them in my closet. I 680 00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.400 would throw them in a hamper, right, But for whatever reason, 681 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:41.920 this was there, and I swear I saw that thing move. 682 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:44.480 But once I turned the light on, I could see like, oh, 683 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:48.000 I literally made that up in my mind, Like that's 684 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:50.880 that's all this was. But the mind is a very 685 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:51.679 powerful thing. 686 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.480 Isn't that crazy that that's even a thing? Though, Like, dude, 687 00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:57.719 our minds are so much more powerful than we give 688 00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:01.679 ourselves credit for. And most I'm not gonna lie. Mostly 689 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.400 it's two people's demise. Like, especially if it's something like this, 690 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:09.039 it's usually something scary because most things that are scary 691 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.880 is the unknown because you don't know what to expect, right, 692 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:14.960 and uh, if you're getting you know, steps in a 693 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.880 hallway or you know, some kind of shadowy figure at 694 00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:21.079 the foot of your bed, you don't know, so you're 695 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:25.239 gonna be scared shitless. And that's what I believe that 696 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:27.159 they're trying to say. Here is that, dude, it is 697 00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:30.559 our mind that is generating it. Now what is even 698 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:35.880 creepier to me, at least, is that it's sometimes, yes, 699 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.559 it is only just one person that is experiencing that, 700 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.320 but if you get a group of people all with 701 00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:44.039 the same all with the same goal in mind, and 702 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.280 they're all thinking about it, they all know exactly, you know, 703 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.920 like what this character's gonna sound like, what this character's 704 00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.800 gonna do, what's the history of it? Now that becomes 705 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.760 amplified and everybody can experience it. 706 00:37:57.400 --> 00:37:59.159 See, that was what I was about to say. Next. 707 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.639 Now I'm talking about something in my own mind that 708 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:03.159 as soon as I flipped the light on it could 709 00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:05.880 see what it was. The quote unquote fear behind it 710 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:08.719 went away. Instantly, and I realized, no, the thing didn't 711 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:12.119 actually move in my closet, I saw it move, but 712 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.039 I could see, oh no, because of the way this 713 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:18.079 sleeve was. It like looked a certain way, and my 714 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:19.800 brain made it look like it had moved. 715 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:20.239 Whatever. 716 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:24.159 That is very different than a table with four legs 717 00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.079 getting up and spinning on one of its legs. 718 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.480 Right, that's two completely different conversations. 719 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.360 It is. But it starts with one person, but you 720 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:35.400 get more people. It's just like you know, praying with 721 00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.079 multiple people, or people that go out and do the 722 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.239 CE five shit in the desert. You get a big 723 00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:42.599 group of people, you're more likely to see some kind 724 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:44.559 of fucking orb out there or whatever. At least that's 725 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:48.400 what people say, right, Like, you gather more people, it's 726 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:52.159 only amplifying the energy. And what, in my opinion of 727 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.039 what's really going on is is that since they're all 728 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.280 thinking it and they're all believing it, they're all expecting it, 729 00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.960 they're almost all tuned into the same frequency, almost like 730 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.280 they're all dialed into one oh two point five on 731 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.199 the radio, right, Like they all they're all listening to 732 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.400 the same song on the fucking radio, and maybe nobody 733 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:12.760 else that's not dialed in wouldn't be able to see it. 734 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.159 I don't know, maybe that I don't know if that 735 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.800 would That would be an interesting test subject, right right 736 00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:18.400 to see. 737 00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.320 Every day when you perform this experiment, have a rando 738 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.119 just who's not even affiliated with this experiment whatsoever. 739 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.559 Just to sit at the table with you, right right, 740 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:32.239 because is it just happening in our mind? And you know, 741 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.960 if it is just happening in our mind, how are 742 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.599 multiple people able to observe said thing that is just 743 00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:42.280 a perception thing? So is it more of just our mind? 744 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:47.320 Or are our minds so energic energetically fused together to 745 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:51.000 the same radio band that somehow it brings it into 746 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:54.000 physical existence. That's the question to me. 747 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:57.400 Anyway, this is interesting. Let's keep going, dude. 748 00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.000 So taking the theory even further. The research is behind 749 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.400 the Philip experiment gave the character that they were imagining 750 00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.519 a full life, including a name, a nationality, a past, 751 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.719 and a personality. During their seances, they tried to converse 752 00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:13.239 with Philip. They're once fictional character. They believe that Philip. 753 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:17.480 They believe that giving Philip such realistic traits and attempting 754 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.760 to communicate with him would help conjure up an actual ghost. 755 00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:23.880 So that is and here's the picture that they drew 756 00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:30.320 of Philip, Right, it says, so what it looks like like? No, 757 00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:33.679 it looks like the fucking caveman from the Geico commercials, right, 758 00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:35.800 get a little bit, a little bit. 759 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.599 So it was a sketch artist and this is a 760 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.519 fictional person, so it doesn't have to look like, you know, 761 00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.519 the greatest self portrait ever or no, you know, I get. 762 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.360 It right, And it says, did they really hold seances 763 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:53.320 to communicate with the ensity? Yes, However the real seances 764 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:55.719 were much more tamer. Obviously, you know, it's not going 765 00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.480 to be hollywooded, you know, like that, and so yeah, 766 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.119 it's it's similar. But I mean whenever some like a 767 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:08.440 movie says that it is based on you know, true 768 00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:12.079 a true story, that can mean like zero point one 769 00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.199 of a percent out of the entire one hundred percent, 770 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.719 right like, as long as they're pulling something from it. 771 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:19.360 And that's usually what Hollywood does. 772 00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.280 Based on a true story quote unquote. 773 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.360 But you know it's like that movie The blind Side 774 00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:27.800 was Sandra Bullock, right, like that took a lot of 775 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.079 creative liberties for that one. As a matter of heday, Yeah, dude, 776 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.440 Michael Orr won't talk to them like he hates them. 777 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:38.599 He's like trying to family to the family that adopted him. Yeah, 778 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:41.920 because he found out that they were using him for 779 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.000 a ride to get him to the NFL and they 780 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.679 were trying to mooch a lot of his money, which 781 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:50.559 they did. So it's like, you know, Hollywood has their 782 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:55.559 liberties of making people more, you know, so, which is 783 00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:57.960 sad because you know that that was a really heartfelt movie, 784 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.800 but it was great. So it says, did they really 785 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:05.519 videotape the experiments? Yes, like the Quiet Ones movie. The 786 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.519 True Story confirms that the seances were often filmed. Watched 787 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.039 the footage from several Philip Experiment seances, which we were 788 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:14.719 going to do a little bit later as a matter 789 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:15.280 of fact. 790 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:15.360 I think. 791 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.000 And so it was doctor Owen's son, Robert E. Owen, 792 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:23.920 often took the photos and did the filming. So pretty interesting. 793 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:25.559 I mean it was kind of kept in house in 794 00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:28.000 that sense. But yeah, So. 795 00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:31.840 It says, is it possible that the Philip experiment was 796 00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:32.320 a hoax? 797 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.320 Let's find out. I mean, I'm open, I don't know. 798 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.480 I mean, this is just what I was able to find. 799 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:37.599 So. 800 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:41.440 In an interview conducted in the nineteen seventies, doctor arg 801 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:47.400 Owen's wife, Iris Owen interesting name, an English born social 802 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:50.480 worker and a leading participant in the seances, admitted that 803 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:54.119 they were initially suspicious of one another, as most people are. 804 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:55.840 You ever get in front of a ouiji board, You're like, 805 00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:58.360 I know you moved that fucking thing. Come on, stop 806 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.760 fucking with I've never done it, but you hear about 807 00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.360 these things. And she said that they admitted that they 808 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.800 were initially suspicious of one another, believing the possibility that 809 00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:10.599 someone at the table was sliding it. It says in quotes. 810 00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:14.119 The first few months, we were watching each other like hawks, 811 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:17.760 says Iris, And if anybody's finger moved the slightest bit, 812 00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.760 they would say, you're pushing. So they were holding each 813 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.679 other accountable, which is good, you know. 814 00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:23.559 So. 815 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:27.480 Joel Whitten, an observer and psychiatrist, says that they went 816 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:31.159 as far as to place paper dout doile's. How was 817 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.559 that word, paper doile's. I've never heard that word in 818 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.440 my life under the hands of the seance participants to 819 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.519 ensure that no one was moving the table. He explained 820 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:42.840 that if someone tried to move the table, the doiles 821 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:47.000 would slide instead of the table and everyone would notice. 822 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.159 It's a good idea, so you do is. 823 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.519 You ever like it looks like lace, but it's paper. 824 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:54.760 It's like a little round thing like this you would 825 00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:56.719 set a plate on, oh. 826 00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:58.960 Like a like a plate coaster, basically whatever they're. 827 00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.159 Called basic, But it's not fabric. 828 00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:03.639 It's it's literally a piece of paper that is cut 829 00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:06.440 to make it look pretty. It's like for like, you know, 830 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.599 if you're doing like a big Thanksgiving dinner at like 831 00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:11.480 a school or something, you put these on the table 832 00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:13.719 to make it look nicer, but in reality it's just 833 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:14.360 it's whatever. 834 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.400 Oh like the paper that they have over a like 835 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:22.519 TJ ribs. Yeah, okay, okay, the rib place they always 836 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.079 have the paper mats or whatever so that you don't 837 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.800 damage the tablecloths with with your barbecue fingers. Right right, right, 838 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:31.639 makes sense. I used to work there, you had to dude. 839 00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:33.840 It was actually pretty fucked up, not fucked up. It was. 840 00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:36.320 It was interesting, but it was hard, so you had 841 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.320 to learn. So I used to serve over a TJ ribs. 842 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.920 I don't I think that's just a Louisiana thing right. 843 00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.239 I don't know. I mean I do fuck with TJ. Ribs. 844 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.559 I mean, I'm also a whore for Ribs, let's be real. 845 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.519 Same. So anyway, it's I mean, it's a really awesome 846 00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.960 restaurant if anybody's ever been. But whenever I so I 847 00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:56.360 was serving over there. This is one of my first jobs. 848 00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:58.760 And so I was serving over there, and you had 849 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.840 to learn how to write were name incursive, upside down 850 00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:07.880 and inverted. Right, Why that was just like a signature 851 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:10.320 of the restaurant, of the people that were serving. That's 852 00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:13.320 just what everybody does over there. And so obviously I 853 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.320 have a pretty long name, Jonathan Is. You know, it's 854 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:18.719 a few more letters than the average goat. And and 855 00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:20.719 so I would always just simplify it to John j 856 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:25.400 oen right easiest, and and even that, like dude, learning 857 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:30.559 how to draw your name incursive, upside down and inverted, dude, 858 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.800 that took a little while, but anyway, that was on 859 00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:36.440 that that doile paper or whatever. So that's my experience 860 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:41.239 with it. No, yeah, so where were we all? Right? 861 00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.559 So here we go. Although the group eventually believed that 862 00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:48.159 Philip could accurately answer questions, he was still a creation 863 00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:52.400 of their collective imagination, which was evident by his limitations. 864 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:54.760 For example, he was able to answer yes or no 865 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:58.079 to questions about his time period by responding with Knox, 866 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.360 but both question Both the quest questions and the answers 867 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.079 were not information that the group was unaware of, at 868 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.039 least not the whole group. Essentially, this means that Phillip's 869 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.760 responses were most likely coming from their own minds, either 870 00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:14.119 their subconscious or, if it was indeed a hoax, their 871 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:18.360 conscious minds. But they were holding themselves accountable though, so 872 00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:20.519 I'm just kind to believe that it was a hoax. 873 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:24.719 Yeah, I mean, I'm not even saying like I'm trying 874 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.039 to call a hoax on this. I I can at 875 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.880 least appreciate the experiment that was done. But again, they 876 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:33.079 already knew the answer because this was a fictitious character 877 00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:36.599 in their own minds. So whenever they say, uh, did 878 00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.519 you live to see the year eighteen hundred, well, they 879 00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:42.360 know that the answer would be no before you even 880 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.159 asked this question. So whenever you you know what I mean, 881 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.719 it's it's sure, but I'm certain. 882 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.320 That doesn't Like where did the Knox come from? Then? 883 00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:54.000 Is the question is the main question, right, Like maybe 884 00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:57.599 they were projecting the answer to this you know, this 885 00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.400 spirit or whatever, but how did that spirit know how 886 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.480 to for yes or for no? 887 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.280 See now, I really do want to watch some of 888 00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:08.440 this video to see, like was there even a knock 889 00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:10.639 or was it any small noise like yep. 890 00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:11.039 That was him. 891 00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.239 He said yes, y'all heard it, and it was like, yeah, yeah, 892 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:13.559 I totally. 893 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:14.599 I don't know. 894 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.320 It's very possible, like they said it was in their 895 00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:20.320 own mind, So any small noise they took to be confirmation. 896 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.039 Maybe there was a legitimate like a heart like a 897 00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:25.840 legit knock that they I don't know. 898 00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:28.719 Yeah, I don't. I'm we're gonna get to it, you 899 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:30.559 know what, fuck it, We're gonna watch the whole video 900 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:33.159 once we get cover a little bit more information about 901 00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:37.920 this and these type of of things that transpired even 902 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.440 coming from it. So so yeah, it says have any 903 00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.239 other experiments been done that were similar to this the 904 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.840 Philip experiment? It says the Philip experiment has been replicated 905 00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.880 several times. The most notable of these effort efforts is 906 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:56.000 the Skippy Experiment, sometimes called the Sydney experiment, conducted in Sydney, 907 00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:59.440 Australia in the two thousands. The researchers devised the story 908 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.000 of a fourteen year a girl, which we kind of 909 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:05.000 already alluded to. She was impregnated by her Catholic school 910 00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.559 teacher Jesus Christ. 911 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.679 They had to go with the worst possible scenario, not 912 00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:11.639 like she died in a car crash and it was 913 00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:12.400 nobody's fault. 914 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:13.320 It was just one of those things. 915 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.639 No, no, no, Yeah, Catholic school girl impregnated by her. 916 00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:18.079 Priests, so she had to die. 917 00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.880 Wow. Not only was she impregnated by her Catholic school teacher, 918 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.519 but that school teacher later murdered her so that the 919 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:26.719 church wouldn't find out. 920 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:31.079 I love a fuck what is wrong with these Australians. 921 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:33.840 You couldn't have just kept it semi g rated, just 922 00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:36.000 a sad tragedy, just one of those things, though, you 923 00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:38.920 had to go with the fucking whole movie plot. 924 00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:42.880 Well, because the idea is what most people believe is 925 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:46.320 that whenever there's a ghost, it's like an energy that 926 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:48.760 is trapped here because either a they don't know that 927 00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.079 they've died, or b they don't accept their death like 928 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.400 it's usually one of those couple of things. And so 929 00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:59.039 if you're killed, you know, unknowingly, like maybe you're I 930 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.199 don't know, shot and you didn't know that you were 931 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:04.239 even in a gunfight kind of thing or whatever, like 932 00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.920 your life almost taken from you. Then you're and you're like, 933 00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.280 what the fuck is going on? And you go up 934 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:11.960 and you're trying to talk to your mom, you're trying 935 00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:13.559 to talk to your dad. You can't really get any 936 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:16.159 of their attention because you're just a disembodied spirit at 937 00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:19.119 that point. And so that's what people, I think would 938 00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.559 attach to that. And so maybe what they're trying to 939 00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.639 say is that, all right, we're gonna try and make 940 00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.000 this girl as real as possible, and by making her 941 00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:28.760 as real as possible, we're gonna make her like believe 942 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.199 that maybe she didn't even die kind of thing. 943 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:32.800 Jesus Christ. 944 00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.280 Okay, So I get the ideology behind it only because 945 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.599 I like, I'm always obsessed with all the ghost shit. 946 00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:39.960 I mean, it doesn't matter what you think of it, 947 00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.280 it's still exciting to like look at and watch all 948 00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.639 the what's that that ghost show that I always talk 949 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:50.159 about on YouTube? Danny Fantom, No, No, that's a Disney thing, 950 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:50.559 isn't it. 951 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:54.320 That's a nick thing man Nickelodeon. But hold on on YouTube. 952 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:58.320 Yeah, it's like two dudes and they're younger, like early twenties. 953 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.719 H didn't didn't have them on the show. 954 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:04.679 Something in Cody, Cody I think is one of them. 955 00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:06.559 I want to say Zach and Cody would know that 956 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.199 is a Disney thing. It's something in Cody. I know 957 00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:10.159 the dudes you're talking about. Yeah, Rogan had them on 958 00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.320 his show like last year. They seem to do pretty 959 00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:12.960 good dudes. 960 00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.639 Yeah yeah, but yeah, I mean, no matter what you 961 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.440 think about it, it's still like pretty entertaining to watch 962 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.400 if you ever go check them out. But so, yeah, 963 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.519 so she was murdered by the guy so the church 964 00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:29.760 wouldn't find out that she got pregnant. And after the 965 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:33.519 initial table used by the researchers didn't produce any results, 966 00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:37.960 they found success sitting around a light, three legged card 967 00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:42.000 table a light three legged card table. They reported similar 968 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.920 knocking and scratching sounds heard during the Philip the Philip experiment. 969 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:48.880 They also said that the table moved and spun around 970 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:52.360 on one leg. However, they never managed to capture any 971 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:56.199 audio or visual evidence, so Pixar it didn't happen kind 972 00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:56.480 of thing. 973 00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.239 Well, hold on, what wait a card table with three legs? 974 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:03.000 I know what a card table is. I've only ever seen. 975 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:07.920 A four legged but okay, word, yeah, that's kind of strange. 976 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.039 A three legged card table, that's what it says. 977 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.079 Maybe it's like a circular table. I don't know. I 978 00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:12.960 guess we'll see. 979 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:18.199 Yeah maybe, so yeah, yeah, this is the actual Oh damn, 980 00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.480 they got a couple of them here. So they got 981 00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:23.519 the quiet one's trailer. But then you have the actual 982 00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:28.159 Philip Experiment documentary. Oh damn, I'm gonna have to watch 983 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:29.360 that later. I wish I would have watched that in 984 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:30.360 preparation for the show. 985 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.400 But I mean, how long is the Is it a 986 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:34.559 clip or is it the entire documentary? 987 00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:39.320 I'm sure it's the whole damn thing. M Oh, they're 988 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:43.159 not even letting you watch it, of course, not those whores. Yeah, 989 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:44.880 but the the other one will watch. It's like ten 990 00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:49.079 or eleven minutes. So this was something I was like, 991 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.400 all right, they're kind of what they're alluding to as 992 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:56.400 far as our mind's creating. You know, whatever energy or 993 00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:01.880 action is going on is known as psychokinesis Okay, So 994 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.159 Psychokinesis can be defined as the ability of using mind 995 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:10.960 over matter without any physical intervention. The term psychokinesis comes 996 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:20.760 from Greek meaning psych mind and motion. Basically, so, yeah, my. 997 00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.800 Entire documentary is forty one minutes long, So yeah, we 998 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:24.679 ain't watching all that. 999 00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:28.960 Oh it's actually shorter from what I expected though, so anyhow. 1000 00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.719 It was coined in nineteen fourteen to psychokinesis by American 1001 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:36.440 author Henry Holt in his book called on the Cosmic Relations. 1002 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:41.840 Psychokinesis is sometimes abbreviated as PK. The study of psychokinesis 1003 00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:48.000 falls under the field of parapsychology. Obviously, psychokinesis refers to 1004 00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:51.119 influence of mental forces upon the physical realm that would 1005 00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:54.960 not otherwise be subject to ordinary physical causation. The term 1006 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:58.199 PK refers to the ability that appears to rely on 1007 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:02.280 the conscious intention of the human operator, which influences a 1008 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.800 physical system at both the macro scale, which is detectable 1009 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.480 with the naked eye, and the micro scale, which would 1010 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:12.840 require an advanced machine to detect. So, okay, I mean, 1011 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:16.199 I'm more inclined to believe that this is some I'm 1012 00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.519 not maybe it's not one hundred percent of what's going on, 1013 00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:21.559 But to say that at zero percent that has to 1014 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:22.320 be wrong, right. 1015 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:26.440 I'm still kind of piecing it all together in my 1016 00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:30.440 own mind here and assuming that it is not a hoax, right, 1017 00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.480 assuming that the information that we are getting from the 1018 00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:38.119 experiment itself exactly happened, as they said, I'm really trying 1019 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:39.719 to take it all in here, So I don't want 1020 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:41.559 to just cast judgment as of this moment. 1021 00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:48.679 Okay. So I actually have the Philip experiment completely documented 1022 00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:51.599 right here, and so I was thinking, you know, it'd 1023 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.480 be pretty interesting to read a little bit of it 1024 00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:56.039 and we'll see how it looks and how it sounds. 1025 00:53:56.039 --> 00:54:00.679 But this is everything that they documented. This was reprinted 1026 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.119 in seventy five, seventy six, and seventy seven, it says 1027 00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:09.639 so the New Horizon Journal. It says Philip's story continued. 1028 00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:13.559 The abstract is a brief account is given of a 1029 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:17.760 further year of the Philip research and variations thereon. The 1030 00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:23.320 group has developed new PK psychokinesis abilities, including that of 1031 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:29.719 bending metals bending metals because they believe that it's coming 1032 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:33.360 from them. As so, they were looking a little bit farther, like, 1033 00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:36.440 you know, like in the matrix bending spoon dog like 1034 00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.960 the spoon bending Yeah, yeah, so it says. The story 1035 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.360 of the creation of Philip the Imaginary Ghost was first 1036 00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:46.159 published in the newri New Horizons in January nineteen seventy four. 1037 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:48.760 This was followed in July nineteen seventy four by an 1038 00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:52.679 article attempting to explain some of the underlying psychological skills 1039 00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:55.480 required in order to generate the phenomena that occurred. The 1040 00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:59.039 experiment is continued and grown, and it seems appropriate to 1041 00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:02.079 record what a happened since those two reports were written. 1042 00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:06.079 The response to the experiment was fantastic. Philip seems to 1043 00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:08.880 have caught the imagination of everyone who has read about him. 1044 00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:16.360 We had a correspondence from physicists, psychological psychologists, spiritualists, parapsychologists, 1045 00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:20.000 as well as reporters, television producers, et cetera from almost 1046 00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:23.480 every country in the world. So they really impressed. I mean, 1047 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:26.639 some people got that information. They saw the footage and 1048 00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:30.079 people everybody was reaching out of all of all shapes 1049 00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:34.920 and sizes, right, So yeah, everybody was reaching out to 1050 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:38.400 them so much so that we that we have felt 1051 00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:41.639 the necessity to record the whole experiment in book form. 1052 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:45.039 And this was This is with the publishers right now, 1053 00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.079 and hopefully we will be available in the fall of 1054 00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:50.039 nineteen seventy five. The book will be a full and 1055 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.159 factual account of the whole experiment, together with some discussion 1056 00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:55.320 on the relevance to various aspects of the field of 1057 00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:01.360 parapsychology and spiritualism, and speculation as to its poss future applications. 1058 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:04.119 But for the present record, it will probably be best 1059 00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.000 to give a blow by blow account, so to speak, 1060 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.519 of what the Philip Group has achieved since the report 1061 00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:13.960 of the experiment in January nineteen seventy four. So, in 1062 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:16.719 January of nineteen seventy four, concurrently with the writing of 1063 00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:19.280 this first report, it was suggested that a short at 1064 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:23.559 a short factual film of the experiment, giving the details 1065 00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:26.480 of how the experiment was conceived and what exactly happened, 1066 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:29.480 together with some wraps and table movements, should be made. 1067 00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:32.599 This would effectively record the whole thing and dispose once 1068 00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:35.440 and for all any allegations that the phenomena were in 1069 00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:39.039 any way subjective or the result of mass hallucination. The 1070 00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:41.719 group itself regarded this as a challenge to perform under 1071 00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.280 the light of film cameras and in front of people 1072 00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.280 whom they had never met before. A member of our society, 1073 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.159 Bruce Raymond, who was a filmmaker and distributor, generously offered 1074 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:53.559 to arrange to have the film made and to back 1075 00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:57.000 the production financially. The film was to be made professionally 1076 00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:01.039 and subsequently be available for distribution to trade. The film 1077 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:04.519 was made during the course of one whole Sunday, a 1078 00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:07.559 fantastic day in every respect. The members of the group 1079 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:11.400 were able, under the direction of Ian Brims, to completely 1080 00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:14.239 recreate the experiment, and in spite of being under the 1081 00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.360 glaring lights and somewhat restricted space because the film cameras 1082 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:21.679 were everywhere, Philip produced raps and movements entirely to order. 1083 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:26.239 It is a very interesting fact that, however skeptical new 1084 00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:30.880 however skeptical newcomers are, when they actually hear the raps, 1085 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:34.360 they are immediately convinced it is quite clear that under 1086 00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.519 those conditions there is no possibility of fraud whatsoever. The 1087 00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.639 group were delighted with the film, which is available for 1088 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:44.039 commercial distrib distribution, and in fact, at the time of 1089 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.280 writing and has been shown in many countries of the world, 1090 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:49.239 the latest being in Finland. Of course, the film being 1091 00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:52.199 available for distribution attracted the attention of the media, both 1092 00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:55.559 newspaper newspapers and television, and we had to cope with 1093 00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:57.679 the fact that this was not just regarded as a 1094 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.559 scientific coup by those seriously interested in the subject, but 1095 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:07.840 it was also a very remarkable, a very marketable form, 1096 00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:11.199 very marketable from the entertainment point of view, and the 1097 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:16.280 group had made much trouble with this aspect. Basically, as parapsychologists, 1098 00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:19.760 we shy away from publicity that takes the form of 1099 00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:24.840 popular entertainment. People who are not well read in the 1100 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:28.519 subject do not understand the issues involved, and generally there 1101 00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:34.079 is a more misunderstanding and misconception than justifies the publicity. However, 1102 00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:38.800 parapsychology is also a people subject, and without people, no 1103 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:42.039 work can be effectively accomplished, and sometimes as a result 1104 00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.639 of media publicity one has found people very valuable to 1105 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:48.880 work with. In the event, the group found itself, almost 1106 00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:52.000 against its will, involved in giving a half hour performance 1107 00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.480 on a local television station, a talk show with doctor Owen, 1108 00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:59.679 Doctor Whitten and a local United Church minister, the Reverend 1109 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:02.920 Ndsey King, was arranged with the Phillip group in a 1110 00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:08.639 corner of the studio, ready to perform. Philip would deign 1111 00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.639 to appear, and of course he did, even with a 1112 00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:16.320 fucking reverend there and all these doctors and everything. Crazy right, wow, okay, 1113 00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:20.039 so and he did. The group were beginning to realize 1114 00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:23.599 that there were that there was nothing Philip liked more 1115 00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:26.440 than to appear in public, and the bigger the audience, 1116 00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:30.360 the better. You wouldn't expect that maybe it would from 1117 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:31.280 a trickster entity. 1118 00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:35.480 I guess, uh yeah, yeah, I mean, but. 1119 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.480 Yep, that's wild. That's some wild shit. I mean, I 1120 00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:43.679 if this was all fake, how do you rope all 1121 00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:46.199 these people into it not? I mean, you know, we 1122 00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:48.840 all have our falls and our fallacies, and I guess 1123 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.000 anybody can be fooled. But these people don't seem like 1124 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.719 they're coming at it from that angle. They don't seem it. 1125 00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:58.039 No, But to answer your questions, so you mean that 1126 00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:01.159 when it was time to show up, the entity. 1127 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:02.679 Would always be sure to show up. 1128 01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:05.599 That does sound a little bit more of the hoax 1129 01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:08.320 variety to me, But again, I am not trying to 1130 01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:09.360 throw that at this moment. 1131 01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:10.199 I don't know. 1132 01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:14.079 Yeah, well, it says it is obvious there is a 1133 01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:16.760 bit of ham in all of us. Whatever that means. 1134 01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:18.760 Philip quickly. 1135 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.000 Whatever that means, due to say that, oh, that kid's 1136 01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:23.719 a ham bone, that means that he's like, he's a 1137 01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:24.400 little jokester. 1138 01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:28.280 Oh I got you all right? Yeah. 1139 01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:27.880 Uh. 1140 01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:31.320 Philip quickly made it obvious that he felt his place 1141 01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:36.000 was on the das deos whatever that word is, with 1142 01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.880 the speaker's panel, rather than in the corner of the studio, 1143 01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:42.400 and his efforts to mount the dais uh and take 1144 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.280 his rightful place. We're hilarious, to say the least. Both 1145 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:47.920 the audience and studio staff were in fits of last 1146 01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:51.480 fits of laughter as the table lifted its first one 1147 01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:55.079 leg and then another, and then swung around, wriggling and 1148 01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:58.360 pushing to get to the forefront of the show. Could 1149 01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:01.320 you imagine if this is real? If this is real? 1150 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:02.199 What the fuck? Man? 1151 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:07.000 So everybody was laughing when this went down? Well they, 1152 01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:09.760 I mean, I guess they adored old Philip. They thought 1153 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:14.199 nothing harmful of it. That's were they laughing because oh, 1154 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:19.480 such a playful spirit. Or were they more like, sure, dude, 1155 01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:20.960 sure that's what you're doing here. 1156 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:26.639 Well let's keep reading. So it says yeah. Eventually it succeeded, 1157 01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:30.719 and the moderator, Reverend Lindsey King, who had been watching 1158 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:33.960 with some amusement, was asked to say hello to Philip. 1159 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.480 Whoa they got a reverend involved on this one. So 1160 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:41.000 and he did so, and a very loud rap in 1161 01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:44.519 response came from the table right underneath his hand. His 1162 01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:48.559 facial expression of surprise was a picture until he had 1163 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.880 probably not believed the table would talk to him, or 1164 01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:54.599 until then he probably didn't believe that the table would 1165 01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:57.440 talk to him. He carried on a conversation for several minutes, 1166 01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:01.719 and the table, as Philip, responded with loud and clear raps. 1167 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:05.159 All of this, all this, of course, is recorded on 1168 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.280 both camera and sound, and the show was so successful 1169 01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:13.159 that the television station regularly replays it. Later on in 1170 01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:18.440 the year, at the special request of our where was 1171 01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:22.719 I oh, of our president of the company, I guess 1172 01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:29.400 Alan Spraggett Okay, the Philip group gave another similar television 1173 01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:32.880 performance for Alan's show. The highlight of this performance was 1174 01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:36.519 that the table flipped upside down completely, as it does 1175 01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:40.199 on occasion when the group knelt around it. The raps 1176 01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:43.679 came loud and clear from the table, which had its 1177 01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:47.599 top flush with the carpeted floor. Again, the rappings were 1178 01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:51.880 reportedly or were recorded loudly and clearly. So during the 1179 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.360 year nineteen seventy four, the Philip Group proved that they 1180 01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:59.000 could produce their rapping phenomena in any table, under underblazing lights, 1181 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:02.880 anywhere and with anybody present. Oh man, they went on 1182 01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:05.719 a little tour with this. It sounds like a little 1183 01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.280 bit right. They got took that show on the road. 1184 01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:10.519 I mean, why not, you know, if you can make 1185 01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:16.960 a couple shekels along the way, it's yep, so all right. 1186 01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:20.719 So to go back to the actual phenomena. Following the 1187 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:23.599 making of the film, on that same evening, the group 1188 01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:26.159 felt that they were particularly charged, if that is the 1189 01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:28.840 right word, and had a private session after the film 1190 01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:33.000 had stopped. Doctor Witten made a strong suggestion that at 1191 01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:36.360 this time they could get the table fully levitated. The 1192 01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:39.239 table did actually leave the floor about one inch above 1193 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:44.639 the carpet and glided for four to five feet. Doctor 1194 01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:48.480 Witten and Robin Owen, which is the wife who were 1195 01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:51.639 in the room both witnessed this, but unfortunately, although Robin 1196 01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:54.039 had his camera in hand, the lighting and positioning were 1197 01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:58.480 such that an adequate picture could not be obtained. I'll 1198 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:00.639 so you gotta think about it. The seventies, How good 1199 01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:02.840 of a camera you're going to really have back then? 1200 01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:05.920 I mean, allegedly we had good enough cameras to see 1201 01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:07.039 the man on the moon. 1202 01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:13.320 Yeah, ok, right, all right, buddy, I mean that's only 1203 01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.320 because you had the man, the myth, the legend, fucking 1204 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:20.400 Stanley Kubrick shooting that one. Indeed. Indeed, so, although on 1205 01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:23.000 occasion the table has appeared to be floating, it has 1206 01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:26.800 never lifted sufficiently for the group to be sure of this. 1207 01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:31.960 Generally speaking, the group has continued to concentrate on production 1208 01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.360 of rapping because this seems to be the most easily 1209 01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:38.719 measured phenomena. A conference was held in June in Toronto, 1210 01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:41.559 and the proceedings of this were reported in the last journal. 1211 01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:43.920 But it will be seen from this that the Philip 1212 01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:47.440 Group have felt through most of nineteen seventy four that 1213 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.840 they should continue to produce raps as their first priority. However, 1214 01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:53.719 on one occasion, on a very hot night, they decided 1215 01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:57.719 to concentrate their energies on producing a cool breeze and 1216 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:00.960 succeeded in doing this. They were wonder whether this was 1217 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.000 in fact subjective. When Georgia Owen walked into the room, 1218 01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:06.440 somebody said, put your hand in the middle of the 1219 01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:08.559 table and tell us if you feel anything, said one 1220 01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:11.920 of the group. George did so and remarked, it feels 1221 01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:14.199 like a cool breeze, as if a fan were blowing. 1222 01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:18.320 So if it was subjective, it had affected him. Also, 1223 01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:22.440 following the visit of Matthew Manning and the work done 1224 01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:25.400 with Yuri Geller, who we mentioned earlier, the Philip group 1225 01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:28.760 were interested in metal bending, and in November, at one 1226 01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:31.440 of the meetings, a light metal medallion was placed on 1227 01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:34.480 the table and Philip asked to bend it. It was 1228 01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:37.079 left there during the evening and the group members did 1229 01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:38.920 not touch it, and at the end of the evening 1230 01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:43.960 it was bent slightly at the edges. All right, here 1231 01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:47.360 we go, baby, So the group generally felt a little 1232 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:51.079 disappointed and left it lying on the table when they 1233 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:53.519 went out. I was the last to leave the room 1234 01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:57.320 and switch off the light. And switch off the light 1235 01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:02.000 where was I and it was still only slightly bent. 1236 01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:05.119 The group members went straight upstairs and left, and George 1237 01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:07.679 returned to the room to check ashtrays and noticed that 1238 01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.440 the medallion was completely crumbled up. He thought that it 1239 01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:13.480 was a chocolate wrapper and didn't bother to move it. 1240 01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:16.719 I went downstairs the next morning and found it still crumpled, 1241 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:20.719 so it had apparently continued to bend after the group left. 1242 01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:23.800 The following week, under the same conditions, a key was 1243 01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:27.239 bent slightly, but this did not continue to bend after 1244 01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:29.760 the group left, and the group decided to discontinue the 1245 01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:36.320 metal bending attempts. Oh my god, these are some wild claims, though, right, 1246 01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:41.079 like really all right, so it says. However, in January 1247 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:43.519 of nineteen seventy five, the group were visited by a 1248 01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:48.320 journalist from the National Inquirer, mister Bill Dampier, who had 1249 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:51.320 been given permission to write about the phenomena. He proved 1250 01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:55.480 a very pleasant pleasant visitor and quickly related to the 1251 01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:58.519 group and Philip, and was soon part of the circle, 1252 01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:01.440 asking his own questions and getting answers under his hand. 1253 01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:04.119 He asked about the metal bending and was told of 1254 01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:07.039 the previous efforts. Will you try and bend my house key? 1255 01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:10.039 He asked. The group somewhat reluctantly agreed to try, but 1256 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.280 warned him it might not work. A professional photographer was 1257 01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:16.719 present taking pictures continually, and the room was in bright light. 1258 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.559 After about half an hour, the key was bent very slightly, 1259 01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:24.000 but quite obviously. Pictures had been taken of it beforehand, 1260 01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:26.920 quite flat on the table, and now further pictures were 1261 01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:30.039 taken of the bent key. Mister Dampierre replaced it in 1262 01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:31.920 his pocket, and he was told that it might continue 1263 01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:34.280 to bend. The next day, at about three pm, he 1264 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:37.559 telephoned to say what he had difficulty in getting his 1265 01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:41.320 house opened the previous night owing to the amount that 1266 01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:44.320 the key was bent, but had left it lying around 1267 01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:47.639 during the day, and now it had bent considerably, more 1268 01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:50.800 so much that he had sent the photographer to come 1269 01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:54.000 and take another picture of its present state. So even 1270 01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:58.000 not on the table, it continued to bend. Like if 1271 01:07:58.039 --> 01:07:59.920 this is real, what do you make of it? If 1272 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:03.280 it's imagine if it is, I would like to see 1273 01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.159 how much it has bent? Right? 1274 01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:08.320 Are we talking about like a slight like where like 1275 01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:10.639 you know, oh, I just didn't notice it before. We're 1276 01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:13.000 talking like full on, just like the Matrix movie. This 1277 01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.880 spoon bent to like a ninety degree angle kind of thing. 1278 01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:16.680 I'm just curious. 1279 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:18.960 But even if it's meant just a little bit. What 1280 01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:21.840 do you explain that as. 1281 01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:24.960 Maybe that's the thing. 1282 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.000 See again, I'm not trying to I'm not trying to 1283 01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:29.479 poke holes in it at this moment. I'm trying to 1284 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:32.279 really take it all in. I don't really have a 1285 01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:33.399 clear answer at this point. 1286 01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:37.600 Yeah, I don't either, other than just to believe it. 1287 01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:41.479 I mean, That's where I'm at, sonnyhow In December of 1288 01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:43.840 nineteen seventy four, the Phillip Group was invited to Cleveland, 1289 01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:48.399 Ohio to demonstrate before a group of psychologists and physicists. Unfortunately, 1290 01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.560 being just before Christmas, only four of the group could 1291 01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:55.640 go al Dorothy, Bernice and sid However, this did not matter. 1292 01:08:55.760 --> 01:08:58.760 The group was able to give a superb demonstration, so 1293 01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:03.600 much so that some of the physicists present declared that 1294 01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:06.079 this would mean that they had to completely rethink their 1295 01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:09.760 theories on physics. What's over that? 1296 01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:10.039 Then? 1297 01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:15.680 I don't understand how this would disprove or prove the 1298 01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:17.840 like the laws of thermodynamics and shit. 1299 01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:21.960 Okay, well it says the table used there was an 1300 01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:25.720 antique heavy wooden chest table with wheels on casters, one 1301 01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:29.199 of which was broken, the other three needing oiling and 1302 01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:32.680 squeaked when the table was pushed. Nevertheless, the table glided 1303 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:36.159 around the carpet floor without the wheel squeaking and without 1304 01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:40.960 making tracking, without making track markings on the carpet. My god. 1305 01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:44.159 So it says on two occasions one of the men 1306 01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:47.159 present sat at the table and was thrown off once, 1307 01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:54.399 quite violently, thrown off of the table. I don't. I mean, 1308 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:57.399 for this to be fake, a lot of people have 1309 01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:02.359 to be in on it, right, Like the I mean, they're. 1310 01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:03.800 Bringing how many people in this experiment? 1311 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:05.560 There was like what six of them, eight of them 1312 01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:08.039 that were like all a part of the experiment. 1313 01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:10.680 Yep, and then you and then they started presenting it 1314 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:14.439 to a physicists and the reverend, and they started taking 1315 01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:16.800 it on the road. I mean a lot of people 1316 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:18.039 saw what was going on here. 1317 01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:22.319 But my point is, from what I could understand here, 1318 01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:26.560 it wasn't like a newcomer or a bystander that was thrown. 1319 01:10:26.279 --> 01:10:26.840 Off the table. 1320 01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:29.000 It was one of the people that was a part 1321 01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:30.760 of the experiment consistently. 1322 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:31.079 Right. 1323 01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:35.159 Well, it says on two occasions one of the men 1324 01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:37.920 present sat on the table and was thrown off quite once, 1325 01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:41.720 quite violently. So it doesn't I guess one of the newcomers. 1326 01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:45.960 I'm guessing it doesn't specify one way or another. It 1327 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:48.720 doesn't unless we misread it, which I don't think we did. 1328 01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:52.840 But anyway, let's keep going. So Also, a drawer in 1329 01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:56.039 the table, which fell out very easily under normal conditions 1330 01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:58.319 when the table was moved, did not move at all 1331 01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:01.039 when Philip was moving the table. As a result of 1332 01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:03.279 this and the fact that some of the physicists had 1333 01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:07.520 seen some of Uri Geller's metal bending, a serious attempt 1334 01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:10.119 to study these phenomena is being made at Kent State 1335 01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:16.079 University in Ohio under the heading of teleneural physics thing. 1336 01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:17.119 And they just made that up. 1337 01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:18.600 I feel like they might have. 1338 01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:23.560 I've never heard of that combination of partial words before. 1339 01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:26.239 But I mean, we're also talking about something that doesn't 1340 01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:28.399 fit neatly into science that you might have to come 1341 01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:30.680 up with a new field of study to really explore it. 1342 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.640 I don't know, well, I mean, tellneurophysics is I mean, 1343 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:36.119 I would imagine that the definition is not very far 1344 01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:40.279 different from psychokinesis. It's just the same same It's referring 1345 01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:41.640 to the same thing, I think. 1346 01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:43.680 Exactly the same thing, like I had never heard of 1347 01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:47.600 psychokinesis before this conversation, so I guess you would have 1348 01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:49.399 to come up with new words to describe what the 1349 01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:50.239 fuck you're doing here. 1350 01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:51.920 If you don't know any better, you're just gonna make 1351 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:54.840 shit up, which is fine. So it says to return 1352 01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:59.279 to Toronto for a few further facts are worth reporting. 1353 01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:02.439 A second group of people completely different from the Philip group, 1354 01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:05.720 decided to attempt the experiment as their imaginary ghosts that 1355 01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:10.199 they invited a personality quite different from Philip, Lilith. Now 1356 01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:14.640 we're getting to Lilith, the French Canadian. Yeah, so she 1357 01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:16.439 was a French Canadian girl who was in love with 1358 01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:18.199 an officer, Da Da Da dah. We already know the 1359 01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:21.600 whole story about that. However, she was betrayed and captured 1360 01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:24.119 and lost her life at the hands of a firing squad, 1361 01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:27.399 a story full of love and drama. As Philip's history, 1362 01:12:28.279 --> 01:12:31.520 The group attempting to produce Lilith very quickly had some 1363 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:35.279 success they as they had the experience of the Philip 1364 01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:38.319 group to draw on and had seen Philip in action 1365 01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:41.920 many times. Unfortunately, once they had taught themselves to produce 1366 01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:45.079 the phenomena, they had become somewhat bored with the procedure 1367 01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:48.600 and decided to switch to trying to produce voices in 1368 01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:54.079 the manner of the row dive experiments. All right, that's 1369 01:12:54.079 --> 01:13:01.600 something new. How you spell that r a udived ive 1370 01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:06.920 the road dive roative experience or experiments rather? All right, 1371 01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:09.960 so while you're looking that up, I'll continue reading. So 1372 01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:13.640 interestingly enough, they are still continuing this type of experiment 1373 01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:17.000 as they have been having results that seem to explain 1374 01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:20.800 in any rational e. They have wait, well, let me 1375 01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:23.319 read that again. As they have they have been having 1376 01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:27.520 results that seem difficult to explain in any rational manner. Okay, 1377 01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:30.159 So their experience and other shit too, even doing with 1378 01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:31.359 the roative experience. 1379 01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:36.199 Okay, so also real quick on the road of experience here, 1380 01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:37.840 we were talking about what's that thing? 1381 01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:42.640 It's EVP. Oh, I think that's what I yeah, I know. 1382 01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:44.239 But earlier we were trying to figure it out, we 1383 01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:46.840 had said, like e MP or something like that. It's EVP, 1384 01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:49.359 so electronic voice phenomena. 1385 01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:49.960 Right. 1386 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:52.279 So, within ghost hunting and. 1387 01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:56.439 Parapsychology, EVP are sounds found on electronic recordings that are 1388 01:13:56.439 --> 01:14:03.119 interpreted as spirit voicing. Parapsychologis just constantinous Jesus hold On 1389 01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:09.920 Constantin's Constantin's Roe Dive all Right, who popularized the idea 1390 01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:13.840 in the nineteen seventies, described EVP as typically brief, usually 1391 01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:15.680 the length of a word or short phrase. 1392 01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:18.560 Long story here. 1393 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:20.119 To do. 1394 01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:23.880 Spiritualist religious movement became prominent in the eighteen forties to 1395 01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:27.199 nineteen forties with a distinguishing belief that the spirits of 1396 01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:30.079 the dead can be contacted by mediums. New technologies of 1397 01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:34.359 the era, including photography, were employed employed by spiritualists in 1398 01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:37.039 an effort to demonstrate contact with the spirit world. 1399 01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:39.439 So popular were the idea. 1400 01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:42.479 Is that Thomas Edison was asked in an interview with 1401 01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:46.359 Scientific America to comment on the possibility of using his 1402 01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:49.600 inventions to communicate with the spirits. He replied that if 1403 01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:52.760 the spirits were only capable of subtle influences, a sensitive 1404 01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:55.960 recording device could provide a better chance of spirit communication 1405 01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:59.600 than the table flipping and Wuigi board mediums employed at 1406 01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:03.319 the time. However, there was no indication that Edison ever 1407 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:05.760 designed or constructed a device for this. 1408 01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:08.039 All Right, Cool, cool, cool, Moving on, so the rod 1409 01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:09.439 ive voices. 1410 01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:16.880 Constantine constantin, it's spellweird, It's like it's k O S 1411 01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:21.520 T A n T I in constantin. Rod Ive, a 1412 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:26.279 Latvian psychologist who had taught at Uppsali University, Sweden, who 1413 01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:33.039 had worked in conjunction conjunction with Jurgensen, made over one 1414 01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:36.680 hundred thousand recordings which he described as being communications with 1415 01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:40.680 discarnate people. Some of these recordings were conducted in an 1416 01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:48.600 RF screened laboratory contained words Rodive said were indeli fual in, indefit, indefiable, 1417 01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:53.279 Jesus as words. In an attempt to confirm the content 1418 01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:56.760 of his collection of recordings, Rodive invited listeners to hear 1419 01:15:56.840 --> 01:15:59.239 and interpret them. He believed that the clarity of the 1420 01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:01.560 voice is heard in the recordings, implied that they could 1421 01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:03.640 not be readily explained by normal means. 1422 01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:04.199 Wrote. 1423 01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:07.520 I published his first book, Breakthrough, an Amazing Experiment in 1424 01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:10.840 Electronic Communication with the Dead, in nineteen sixty eight, and 1425 01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:13.720 it was translated to English in nineteen seventy one. 1426 01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:16.800 Okay, so they took it a step farther with the 1427 01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:21.399 EVP device, or at least the initial early EVP devices. 1428 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:25.279 Yeah, so it seems like EVP devices really became what 1429 01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:30.560 people are using today in the late seventies early or yeah, 1430 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:33.279 late seventies, early eighties from what I get, which. 1431 01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:36.119 Makes sense because this Philip experiment was in seventy four, 1432 01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:40.399 so people, those people that created those EVP devices learned 1433 01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:42.079 from this initial experiment. 1434 01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:45.159 They were running in the same kind of circles around 1435 01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:47.600 the same kind of time frame. So yeah, you know 1436 01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:49.199 what I mean, Birds of a feather kind of get 1437 01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:49.760 I get. 1438 01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:53.079 It right, right, So to continue, The Toronto Society for 1439 01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:57.399 Psychical Research has an annual Christmas party, which is one 1440 01:16:57.399 --> 01:16:59.640 of their main social events. This party was held on 1441 01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:02.560 December eighteenth, and almost all the members were present. The 1442 01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:07.039 party spills over the whole house at headquarters, and it 1443 01:17:07.079 --> 01:17:09.199 was natural that a number of people would drift down 1444 01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:11.920 to the basement room where the Philip experiments are carried out. 1445 01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:17.239 There were party goodies and decorations, and the pictures of 1446 01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:20.359 Philip and Lilith were on display. A paper Christmas cover 1447 01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:22.640 was on the table. Someone put hands on the table 1448 01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:26.199 and said is anyone there? A loud rap came in reply. 1449 01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:28.880 The rest of the people present joined in and the 1450 01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:32.039 table continued to answer and move around. However, as the 1451 01:17:32.039 --> 01:17:36.439 group around The table consisted of a job lot of members, 1452 01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:39.319 some of the Phillip group, some of the Lilith group, 1453 01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:42.319 one or two from a new group that was just starting, 1454 01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:45.880 and some who had not even seen the phenomena before. 1455 01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:49.439 It was difficult to know who was responsible for the phenomena. 1456 01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:52.319 I would imagine you get a bunch of different, you know, 1457 01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:55.840 personalities over there. Somebody wants to see something, somebody wants 1458 01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:58.159 to spook somebody. You can't be sure I get. 1459 01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:02.359 It right, especially if you're talking on this group of academics. Right, 1460 01:18:02.920 --> 01:18:06.119 they're at a university, so it's people who are all 1461 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:09.239 up in the academia and the scholarly debates of things. 1462 01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:11.600 So how many of these are people just trying to 1463 01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:12.840 fuck with their colleagues? 1464 01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:14.800 How many of these people were like Okay, no, seriously, 1465 01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:16.079 I want to hear what they got to say? Like, 1466 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:17.239 who's to say? 1467 01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:19.840 Right? Yeah? I mean, you know, we weren't there, and 1468 01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:21.920 there is not any film footage of it, so you 1469 01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:24.039 can kind of only rely on their word. But at 1470 01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:28.159 least from them documenting all their prior experiments, you know, 1471 01:18:28.479 --> 01:18:30.960 you're inclined to, you know, kind of take them at 1472 01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:35.920 their word. So it says it being Christmas. Somebody said, 1473 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:39.840 I wonder if this is Santa Claus. Are you father Christmas? 1474 01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:43.560 Said another Yes, came the reply. The group then continued 1475 01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:46.039 to such questions as have you finished packing all the 1476 01:18:46.079 --> 01:18:49.640 children's presence? Are you tired now with all that work? 1477 01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:51.880 Is it cold at the north pole? And are your 1478 01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:55.359 reindeer with you? They were under the table. They were 1479 01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:58.920 under the table, said Santa. It was a perfect example 1480 01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:02.119 of childlike approach to the phenomena that is recommended, the 1481 01:19:02.199 --> 01:19:04.880 complete belief, and a beautiful example of the fact that 1482 01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:08.159 in this situation you get what you expect. 1483 01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:09.720 Okay. 1484 01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:12.920 While they were expecting to hear these things, and then 1485 01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:14.319 they heard these things. 1486 01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:19.079 And it was projected yeah, well it was a knock. Yeah, 1487 01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:22.319 I mean whatever it is, a knock, a whisper, maybe 1488 01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:25.359 a breeze or whatever. However, they were able to get confirmation, 1489 01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:28.479 you know, to the questions most of the time, yes, 1490 01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:32.159 a knock, but it says later after Christmas, the third 1491 01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:34.680 group of people that were working on this experiment, again 1492 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:37.560 a completely different set of people, having produced wraps and 1493 01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:41.039 table movements in a somewhat random fashion without having made 1494 01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:45.000 a clear decision as to who who they should have 1495 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:50.039 for their imaginary character, suddenly decided to have a literary ghost. 1496 01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:53.640 One of the group, obviously a classics fan, asked the table, 1497 01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:57.159 are you a character from Dickens? Yes? Came the reply, 1498 01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:01.600 I know, are you the artful Dodger said the same person. Yes, 1499 01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:04.119 came a loud and clear rap. Thus the group had 1500 01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:08.000 acquired their imaginary character. Some of them were familiar with 1501 01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:10.760 the original story as written by Dickens, and they all 1502 01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:14.439 knew and loved the musical Oliver. The raps were loud 1503 01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:17.800 and enthusiastic. Dodger, as they quickly called him, admitted to 1504 01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:22.399 loving to pick pockets, but, on being asked if he 1505 01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:26.520 would like to pick theirs, seemed hesitant. It soon transpired 1506 01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:29.079 that the fact that all the ladies were wearing slacks 1507 01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:34.399 confused him fashion or fagin. Oliver, Sykes and Nancy and 1508 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:37.520 even the dog were with him. He said, okay, these 1509 01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:42.560 are all the characters of the Dickens story. Predictably, he 1510 01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:46.560 said he dislikes Sikes and felt very sorry for Nancy. 1511 01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:49.079 He had been very fond of her. He liked music, 1512 01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:53.520 particularly jolly songs and typical Cockney ditties. He agreed to 1513 01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:56.640 have his picture drawn, and on saying good night. A 1514 01:20:56.680 --> 01:20:59.399 whole series of raps were given. At the time of writing, 1515 01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:01.640 this group has only been going on a short while 1516 01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:04.319 and it remains to be seen whether they can continue. 1517 01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:06.760 So you kind of see right here that it's like, 1518 01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:09.520 there's no way that Santa Claus is showing up. There's 1519 01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:12.319 no way that fucking the Artful Dodger is showing up, 1520 01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:15.039 or Lilith or any of these other characters. It is 1521 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.359 seemingly a projection. If it's really happening, which I mean, 1522 01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:21.560 this has happened in the seventies. We for all we 1523 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:24.159 know they were all tripping on fucking acid, right, But 1524 01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:27.439 if we are to believe the story as it's being told, 1525 01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:31.399 then maybe there was something extra actually going on there. 1526 01:21:31.800 --> 01:21:36.039 And and it seems like it was some kind of 1527 01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:39.239 energetic projection. I don't know. 1528 01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:44.239 It's it's getting more and more interesting the more we read, honestly, 1529 01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:49.520 and I can see how it may all be hoaxism, 1530 01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:51.960 but I could also see that it could be based 1531 01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:54.119 in some reality of things that are happening. 1532 01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:54.960 I don't know. 1533 01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:56.439 I'm interested to hear more. 1534 01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:00.319 Let me just ask you, like, first of all, do 1535 01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:03.399 you believe in ghosts. So if this were happening in 1536 01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:06.560 front of you and you could definitely say, yes, I 1537 01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:09.600 see it, nobody's flipping this table over, nobody's knocking at 1538 01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:12.119 this table, you were able to confirm it, what would 1539 01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:14.960 be your first assumption as to what it is. 1540 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:17.079 I don't want to. I don't want to go that 1541 01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:17.920 route just yet. 1542 01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:20.720 I mean, we have enough information on it so far, 1543 01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:23.000 so I think that it's okay to to give a 1544 01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:24.119 supposition on it. 1545 01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:30.159 So I believe that demonic forces are at work at 1546 01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:32.600 all times as much as angelic forces are at work 1547 01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:36.600 at all times. Right that being said, per my own 1548 01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:40.560 beliefs here, you know why they say and by day 1549 01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:44.079 I mean like my religious book says to not deal 1550 01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:49.720 with divination, sorcery uh those a deal in chance i e. 1551 01:22:49.840 --> 01:22:54.520 Taro uh or or seances or trying to communicate with 1552 01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:54.960 the dead. 1553 01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:57.279 It's not that these things aren't real. 1554 01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:00.560 It's that something's going to answer you, although it will 1555 01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:04.479 probably not be what you think it is. Essentially, if 1556 01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:06.840 you know the same reason why you fuck with Luigi Board, 1557 01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:10.640 like something's answering you, you just open the door. Because 1558 01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:15.359 this side is clamoring to get to our realm, So 1559 01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:17.920 if you open the door for them, they will appear. 1560 01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:20.920 So this also kind of leads me to believe, especially 1561 01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:23.079 whenever we're looking at them, these dudes were approaching this 1562 01:23:23.159 --> 01:23:27.800 as a scientific experiment, not as a spiritual encounter. Right 1563 01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:30.239 at least for the first the first experiment for a year, 1564 01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:34.680 they had nothing dead silence, no taps, no wraps, no nothing, 1565 01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:39.079 because they were approaching it from a scientific angle, and 1566 01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:42.239 the spirit realm doesn't give a fuck about science. 1567 01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:45.840 Right. So, and again, if we are to believe that 1568 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:46.800 everything that they're. 1569 01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:49.319 Seeing, the spoon's bending and the table flipping and all 1570 01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:52.199 these things and do getting thrown off the table, if 1571 01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:55.840 we are assuming that there was no hoaxism going on 1572 01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:58.640 here and that these were in fact, real, credible stories, 1573 01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:02.279 what that tells me is that they figured out eventually 1574 01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:06.319 what the proper chain of events is needed to make 1575 01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:10.359 a response happen, and something was answering them. No, I 1576 01:24:10.359 --> 01:24:13.159 don't believe if again, if this is all true, I 1577 01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:15.520 don't believe it was Philip, and I don't believe it 1578 01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:17.760 was Lilith, and I don't believe it was Santa Claus. 1579 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:20.039 And I don't believe any of these things I believe 1580 01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:24.840 that something was answering them, and per all of my 1581 01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:29.439 understanding and knowledge based off of spirituality, here, angels or 1582 01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:33.479 things from the good side don't answer in such ways. 1583 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:36.840 So take that with whatever grain. It's all you would need, so. 1584 01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:40.079 You're less inclined to believe that this could be any 1585 01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:45.039 kind of projection from the individual in the form of psychokinesis, 1586 01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:47.840 of which you know they're inclined to say. 1587 01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:51.039 Uh, just Jacob speaking on behalf of Jacob. 1588 01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:55.159 No interesting, Okay, all right, well let's read a little 1589 01:24:55.159 --> 01:24:57.399 bit more, because I mean, this is fun. You know, 1590 01:24:57.560 --> 01:24:59.560 if you believe it's demonic, or if you think it's 1591 01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:01.560 hoax for or if you believe it's a projection, or 1592 01:25:01.640 --> 01:25:03.800 you believe that they're actual ghosts that are just taking 1593 01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:06.960 the names of whatever is occurring, it's still fun, you know, 1594 01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:09.720 at least not imagination. And I'm not. And that's the 1595 01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:10.079 thing I did. 1596 01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:11.680 I was afraid to even bring it up, like my 1597 01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:13.520 thoughts on this, because I don't want it to seem 1598 01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:15.439 like I'm just trying to shit on the entire thing 1599 01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:18.560 right now, cause I mean I am. So this is 1600 01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:21.199 an opinion of mine, and it is subject to change. 1601 01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:22.039 With new information. 1602 01:25:22.640 --> 01:25:25.199 That being said, I and I mean, we've talked about 1603 01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:27.960 Tulpa's and Edgar Gore's and things like this before. You 1604 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:30.479 and I have very different opinions on this. I don't 1605 01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:32.880 believe that that's possible. I don't believe that you can 1606 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:36.000 imagine something into existence if you believe. 1607 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:36.479 In it hard enough. 1608 01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:39.520 You, on the other hand, believe that if enough people 1609 01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:41.399 believe in the exact same thing, and they believe it 1610 01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:44.399 hard enough with their whole heart of hearts, then very 1611 01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:45.680 wild things can happen. 1612 01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:47.880 And you and you have very different perspectives on this. 1613 01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:51.600 So again, this is just a This is just one 1614 01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:54.159 of those things. So again, I'm not saying that this 1615 01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:57.720 is guaranteed has to be demonic forces at work, Clearly, 1616 01:25:58.039 --> 01:26:01.319 I'm saying that, as of the information, as of this moment, 1617 01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:05.960 that's just what I believe it sounds like. However, if 1618 01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:09.359 if it is possible, if you can get eight people 1619 01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:13.680 sitting around a three legged card table and they believe 1620 01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:18.079 hard enough that some wild, inexplicable shit's able to happen, 1621 01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:19.880 and then they're able to take it on the road 1622 01:26:20.279 --> 01:26:22.920 and it becomes almost like a party trick to people 1623 01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:26.600 that it's you see what I'm saying out loud, like 1624 01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:30.000 that's that's a little bit less of the scientific experiment 1625 01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:33.239 and a little bit more of the party trick variety, 1626 01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:35.720 which does then leave me to believe that it's more 1627 01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:38.520 of the hoax variety and or grifter variety, especially if 1628 01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:40.640 they were charging for it, making a couple dollars along 1629 01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:44.399 the way. But I mean, who's to say. There's people 1630 01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:47.840 that make dollar bills off of absolutely talking and communicating 1631 01:26:47.880 --> 01:26:50.319 with demonic spirits, and they are very open and honest 1632 01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:52.000 about what they're doing and why they're doing it. 1633 01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:55.800 So I don't know, I don't know, so would and 1634 01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:58.840 no judgment here, I mean, it's just interesting to tickle 1635 01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:01.920 your pickle in the homo. But like the idea of 1636 01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:05.319 the idea of the people that go out and do 1637 01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:07.840 the close encounters of the fifth kind whenever they're they're 1638 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:10.960 all gathered out in the desert and they're all collectively 1639 01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:15.399 meditating on seeing some kind of activity in the sky, 1640 01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:20.760 maybe an orb maybe fucking something inexplicable, inexplicable. Do you 1641 01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:23.960 believe that that would also if it is real, do 1642 01:27:24.039 --> 01:27:26.199 you believe that that would also be a demon? 1643 01:27:26.279 --> 01:27:35.239 Then not necessarily possibly, yes, possibly, but not necessarily right. 1644 01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:37.520 I don't believe that like every single orb in the sky, 1645 01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:39.840 because I believe that UFOs are real. I believe that 1646 01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:42.760 aliens are real. I don't believe those are demons or 1647 01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:45.560 angels for that matter. I believe that both are happening 1648 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.640 independently of each other. Could they be one and the 1649 01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:51.800 same thing, Yes, that's possible. I just don't believe that myself. 1650 01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:55.319 But that to be said, if you get enough people 1651 01:27:55.359 --> 01:27:58.560 out in the desert, meditating hard enough to see something, 1652 01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:00.319 and then all of a sudden they see sothing. 1653 01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:01.640 Just from my. 1654 01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:04.560 Own perspective, that's very much like me when I was 1655 01:28:04.600 --> 01:28:06.680 a kid looking at a monster in my closet that, 1656 01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:09.439 come to find out, was a sweatshirt. But in that moment, 1657 01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:11.479 I believed it was a monster so hard that that 1658 01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:12.920 bitch totally looked at me. 1659 01:28:14.039 --> 01:28:15.039 You see what I'm saying. 1660 01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:17.800 Yeah, But whenever you get multiple eyes on it, that's 1661 01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:20.840 whenever it's like, Okay, you're not just tripping, you know 1662 01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:21.319 what I'm saying. 1663 01:28:21.319 --> 01:28:24.760 No, No, but especially at night in the dark, when 1664 01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:25.800 you can't see much around you. 1665 01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:27.119 Have you ever been in the woods at night? 1666 01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:29.359 Yeah? Well, and This is why they do it out 1667 01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:30.960 in the desert, so it's clear and open, so you 1668 01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:33.720 ain't got, you know, any kind of fucking slenderman that's 1669 01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:36.239 gonna creep up on you or something like that, right, right. 1670 01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:38.079 Right, But just saying like you've been have you ever 1671 01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:40.359 been like walking through the woods at night and then 1672 01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:43.159 heard a fucking loud crack that sounds like it's like 1673 01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:45.760 ten feet away from you. In reality, I was probably 1674 01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:48.640 one hundred yards away from you. It was probably you know, 1675 01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:52.159 a squirrel dropped a corn to hit a branch or something, 1676 01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:54.720 and it made a little bit of a rustle. But 1677 01:28:54.920 --> 01:28:57.279 in the night air, it sounds like it's so much more. 1678 01:28:57.279 --> 01:28:59.000 So you take off running because you know you just 1679 01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:01.399 heard that bitch here. It's it's kind of that thing. 1680 01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:03.640 It's because the mind is going to fill in the 1681 01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:05.199 gaps like thunder. 1682 01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:07.199 You know, it travels at the speed of sound, so 1683 01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:09.079 the time you hear it isn't even the time that 1684 01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:12.119 it happened, right, It's a it's a rippling through Well. 1685 01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:15.520 Yeah, but my point is at night, whenever it's dark 1686 01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:19.079 and you're you're left with not as much of your 1687 01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:22.359 spatial awareness and not as aware of your surroundings as 1688 01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:25.159 you would be if it was high noon. Your brain 1689 01:29:25.399 --> 01:29:27.439 in your mind, which is the thing that plays tricks 1690 01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:28.159 on us NonStop. 1691 01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:29.640 We've talked about that a million times. 1692 01:29:30.319 --> 01:29:32.960 Is more likely to fill in the gaps with a 1693 01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:36.840 fight or flight scared response more often than not. 1694 01:29:37.520 --> 01:29:39.319 Right, And that's not a negative thing. 1695 01:29:39.399 --> 01:29:42.520 That's that's how humans have survived for so long is 1696 01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:45.279 because our brains do look out for number one when 1697 01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:48.359 all else fails. So if you get enough people even 1698 01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:51.239 and again I'm not equating being scared in the woods 1699 01:29:51.239 --> 01:29:54.680 to meditating in the desert. What I'm saying is if 1700 01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:57.199 you are collectively as a group in the desert and 1701 01:29:57.199 --> 01:30:00.159 you're setting out all these intentions and everybody there where 1702 01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:03.239 it's five people or one hundred people are all there 1703 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:06.720 to see something like That's the entire reason they've gathered 1704 01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:08.640 out here. And they are aware that it's possible they 1705 01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:11.840 don't see anything, but they are just out there believing 1706 01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:16.880 it that they're gonna see something eventually. Yeah, they'll see something. 1707 01:30:17.279 --> 01:30:20.520 Whether that thing was real or not is beside the point. 1708 01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:23.800 I saw a monster in my closet that was not real, 1709 01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:24.840 but I saw it. 1710 01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:27.479 You see what I'm saying, right, But what happens if 1711 01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:30.560 you know, everybody is out there meditating or whatever they 1712 01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:33.600 do on a CE five kind of experiment. They're out 1713 01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:36.600 there in the desert. It's a clear night sky. You know, 1714 01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:40.760 there's no sounds run of rumbling, thunder or anything like that. 1715 01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:43.680 Let's just paint the picture here. And they're all going 1716 01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:46.319 around and they're thinking, we're going to see an ORB, 1717 01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:48.159 we're going to see an alien, we're going to see 1718 01:30:48.159 --> 01:30:50.239 an et. We're trying to connect with you, you know, 1719 01:30:50.319 --> 01:30:53.000 and whatever your thoughts are towards that, right, And then 1720 01:30:53.319 --> 01:30:55.720 they all open their eyes and they see something out 1721 01:30:55.720 --> 01:30:58.000 there and they're like, holy shit. Now it's one thing 1722 01:30:58.039 --> 01:31:00.840 if one person sees it, it's a it's a raisy coincidence. 1723 01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:02.800 If two people see it. But if you have six 1724 01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:06.840 plus people all out there with witnessing not only just 1725 01:31:07.319 --> 01:31:10.000 an ORB, but they can all describe what color it was, 1726 01:31:10.159 --> 01:31:13.000 how it made them feel, how it levitated in, which 1727 01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:16.600 way did it move, how close, how far away it is? Right, 1728 01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:20.000 and then you have somebody taking pictures of it. Now, 1729 01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:23.399 what happens if you get it on camera? Like, because 1730 01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:25.479 that is something that has been talked about and has 1731 01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:28.239 been documented on CE five things. So and if that 1732 01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:31.479 is true, let's just suppose that this is all you know, 1733 01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:34.520 no bullshit, you know, no hoax. Let's just assume that 1734 01:31:34.600 --> 01:31:37.560 they all sat there, thought about it, opened their eyes 1735 01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:39.560 also the same thing, and a picture was taken. Here's 1736 01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:41.399 the proof. What's your What would you say to that? 1737 01:31:42.039 --> 01:31:44.279 I honestly don't have a clear answer for it. I 1738 01:31:44.279 --> 01:31:47.800 don't believe that's demonic. I absolutely do not believe that's demonic, 1739 01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:51.880 and I don't believe it's spiritual either. It could be 1740 01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:57.239 that it is, in fact in extraterrestrial or an interdimensional 1741 01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:02.760 type of entity, like that's very possible. I'm unfamiliar with 1742 01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:07.279 a case where because there's cases of mass hallucination, it's 1743 01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:10.880 very rare. And by cases, I don't mean like, oh yeah, 1744 01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:12.359 you could just look at it. No, I'm talking to 1745 01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:14.880 like there might have been one case in the last 1746 01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:18.680 one hundred and fifty years where you can actually say this, 1747 01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:22.319 many people saw this thing and then an outsider walked 1748 01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:24.000 up and it's like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1749 01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:25.199 That's not what you're looking at. 1750 01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:27.720 That's what they try to say. The fucking phoenix lights. 1751 01:32:27.560 --> 01:32:29.960 Was okay, but like, that's my point. 1752 01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:33.720 There are some throughout the course of human history, some 1753 01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:38.079 examples of mass hallucination, but especially with the CE five. 1754 01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:41.000 If this is something that's repeatable and enough people are 1755 01:32:41.039 --> 01:32:43.680 able to see it and explain, they're not just the 1756 01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:46.520 way it feels like, I'm sorry, but science doesn't give 1757 01:32:46.560 --> 01:32:49.119 a fuck about feelings, right, So just say that you're 1758 01:32:49.159 --> 01:32:52.760 documenting this. There's picture of evidence, there's video evidence, there's 1759 01:32:53.960 --> 01:32:57.199 radar scans that we're taking, or something along these lines, 1760 01:32:57.199 --> 01:33:00.520 where it's documented that something was here this day, whether 1761 01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:03.479 it made you feel happy or sad or scared, has. 1762 01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:06.159 No amount of fucks given into the equation. 1763 01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:08.880 Right. I love talking about hard and fact. 1764 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:14.000 Unless, however, that emotion is somehow projected outward and is 1765 01:33:14.079 --> 01:33:16.279 causing the experience to happen in the first place. That's 1766 01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:19.079 why I brought it up was because they seem not 1767 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:22.159 exactly identical. They're not sitting around a table, but they 1768 01:33:22.239 --> 01:33:26.680 are all sitting around in a circle together. Like both groups, 1769 01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:29.760 both the people that are performing the seance and the 1770 01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:32.279 people that are doing the CE five thing, typically are 1771 01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:35.279 surrounded in a circle. They're sitting down, they're meditating on 1772 01:33:35.399 --> 01:33:38.520 the same thing as these people are, they're all meditating, 1773 01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:41.399 thinking about trying to manifest this thing, whatever term you 1774 01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:45.560 want to use, and something happens. Now, these people didn't 1775 01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:49.880 see something, you know, Remember they said that they couldn't 1776 01:33:49.920 --> 01:33:52.319 get a manifestation of a physical form like a ghost 1777 01:33:52.439 --> 01:33:55.960 or anything like that, but they were able to allegedly 1778 01:33:56.119 --> 01:33:59.319 witness knocks and shifts on the table and table being 1779 01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:02.640 flipped upside down. Not exactly what for what's going on 1780 01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:05.199 out in the C five as far as seeing things, 1781 01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:09.319 but collectively all coming together for one true purpose and 1782 01:34:09.359 --> 01:34:15.239 being able to, I don't know, maybe energize it enough 1783 01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:18.359 to where everybody can see it somehow, you know, would 1784 01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:21.039 you say that those two things are similar or completely different? 1785 01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:27.920 Different personally, I mean, I've I mean not to take 1786 01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:31.119 it to this level, but also like willpower alone is 1787 01:34:31.159 --> 01:34:36.039 not enough to do certain things. Okay, And I understand that, yes, 1788 01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:38.119 the Bible says faith the size of mustard seed. I'm 1789 01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:41.159 I'm talking keep spirituality out of it, Keep religion out 1790 01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:42.319 of the conversation on this one. 1791 01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:42.680 Okay. 1792 01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:46.439 If you've got a kid that's dying of cancer and 1793 01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:48.880 it's got like six months to live, you know, every 1794 01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:52.479 member of this kid's family can believe and just in 1795 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:54.479 their heart of hearts believe that this kid is going 1796 01:34:54.560 --> 01:34:58.239 to be healed of this inexplicably gonna be healed. 1797 01:34:58.439 --> 01:34:58.560 Yo. 1798 01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:00.800 Their willpower is not going to and make that cancer 1799 01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:03.079 go away. 1800 01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:06.560 Interesting, Well, I mean it's they're not saying that they're 1801 01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:12.279 carrying cancer with this. They're saying a table knock, contrived example. 1802 01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:12.920 I understand that. 1803 01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:16.479 But what I'm saying is willpower and want and belief 1804 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:21.159 are not going to make physical things change like that. 1805 01:35:21.279 --> 01:35:22.520 That's just not going to happen. 1806 01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:27.239 Interesting. Actually, most people that are into you know, wicca 1807 01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:30.239 and witchcraft and magic would highly disagree with you on that. 1808 01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:33.319 But that and keep in mind, let' say I'm not 1809 01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:36.920 talking about prayer, Okay, I'm not talking about spells. I'm 1810 01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:39.119 talking about just want and hope. 1811 01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:43.520 To actually hope is the worst thing you can do, 1812 01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:46.479 because at least psychologically, I can speak on this that 1813 01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:50.520 whenever you hope for something, you in your mind are 1814 01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:54.319 already like agreeing to the fact that it hasn't happened 1815 01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:56.720 and it won't happen, but you hope that it does. 1816 01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:59.279 It's kind of like a it's like a fart in 1817 01:35:59.319 --> 01:36:02.079 the wind. It's like it's eventually gonna get taken away 1818 01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:05.079 and dissected and all the molecules are gonna float away 1819 01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:08.159 into nothingness. Right Like, it's not a concerted effort. Hope 1820 01:36:08.199 --> 01:36:11.439 alone is not enough. And I mean to put a 1821 01:36:11.479 --> 01:36:15.600 different term on it, not to get religious here, maybe faith. 1822 01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:19.319 Like I said, no, no, no, I'm not saying prayer. I'm 1823 01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:22.000 not talking either to put it to another term, a 1824 01:36:22.039 --> 01:36:25.319 spell or whatever else. I'm not talking about doing any 1825 01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:27.560 because I believe that prayer is action. I don't believe 1826 01:36:27.600 --> 01:36:30.079 that's intention. It's the same with a spell. I don't 1827 01:36:30.079 --> 01:36:32.439 believe that that's you want something hard enough, you know 1828 01:36:32.479 --> 01:36:35.680 you're actually doing something about it, You're actually taking steps 1829 01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:37.199 and putting forth action. 1830 01:36:37.479 --> 01:36:39.680 Okay, So I'm talking about. 1831 01:36:39.439 --> 01:36:43.439 Just mental things and believing that the okay, same thing. 1832 01:36:43.479 --> 01:36:45.720 Belief, not faith, not hope, belief. 1833 01:36:46.119 --> 01:36:48.800 I can blindfold myself and believe that I can walk 1834 01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:50.600 across I ten and. 1835 01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:51.680 Not get hit by a car. 1836 01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:55.640 And I could believe that hardcore believe, and I know 1837 01:36:55.840 --> 01:36:57.359 I'm gonna make it to the other side. 1838 01:36:57.520 --> 01:36:59.119 You know, I probably am not making it to the 1839 01:36:59.159 --> 01:37:02.399 other side, even and still at a subconscious level, belief 1840 01:37:02.479 --> 01:37:05.960 is not full on faith because you're like, I'll give 1841 01:37:05.960 --> 01:37:09.760 you an example. You know your parents exist. You don't 1842 01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:12.119 have to believe that right like you know it. 1843 01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:16.720 And so everybody alive knows they have parents, otherwise they 1844 01:37:16.720 --> 01:37:17.760 wouldn't have been born. 1845 01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:21.000 Right right like. It doesn't take any belief like you 1846 01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:23.479 know it. And so I think that it's kind of 1847 01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:25.560 taken it to that step. And I will say that 1848 01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:28.079 it's not just a matter of believing or you know, 1849 01:37:28.159 --> 01:37:31.000 all your will or anything like that. Most people will 1850 01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:35.520 say that it is like quite literally drawn on your intention, 1851 01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:41.399 like it is emotion. Your powerful will plus intention could 1852 01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:43.520 equal some kind of results like this. This is just 1853 01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:46.520 what I've learned in the past that intention, it plays 1854 01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:48.880 a major part. And so if you think about it, 1855 01:37:49.159 --> 01:37:52.159 all of these people they have the intention that they're 1856 01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:55.159 going to speak to Santa Claus, to the Artful Dodger, 1857 01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:59.800 into you know, all these different characters. They they're intending 1858 01:37:59.880 --> 01:38:02.000 on communicating with this. 1859 01:38:02.640 --> 01:38:04.199 Okay, I'll put it to another example. 1860 01:38:04.760 --> 01:38:08.279 You don't have to tell the kids of America that 1861 01:38:08.319 --> 01:38:11.520 Santa Claus is real for them to believe that he's real. Right, 1862 01:38:12.319 --> 01:38:16.279 they believe they know for a fact that Santa Claus 1863 01:38:16.520 --> 01:38:18.279 is real, but he's not. 1864 01:38:19.159 --> 01:38:19.479 He's not. 1865 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:23.199 And like even if a eggar gore Tulpa kind of thing, fine, cool. 1866 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:26.479 There is no physical dude on a sleigh that's going 1867 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:28.880 to fly the skies on Christmas Eve night and deliver 1868 01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:29.680 toys to the kids. 1869 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:30.680 That's not a real thing. 1870 01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:34.199 No matter how much belief and knowledge these kids have 1871 01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:37.399 the fact that he's real, it doesn't make it real. 1872 01:38:37.439 --> 01:38:39.119 It makes it real to them, but that doesn't make 1873 01:38:39.159 --> 01:38:41.359 it real in physicality in the real world. 1874 01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:45.720 Well, let's take that to another step then, because most 1875 01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:49.159 of the time, literally every moment of your waking life, 1876 01:38:49.159 --> 01:38:51.359 your mind is feeling in the blanks. Like we can 1877 01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:54.760 agree on that, right, sure. And so whenever somebody tells 1878 01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:58.199 you that Santa Claus is coming and is reindeer, and 1879 01:38:58.239 --> 01:39:00.479 you know, if you're still awake, maybe you'll hear the bells, 1880 01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:02.520 and maybe you'll hear them coming down the down the 1881 01:39:03.079 --> 01:39:05.159 chimney into the kitchen to eat the cookies that you 1882 01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:07.199 made for him the night before, and maybe he'll grab 1883 01:39:07.239 --> 01:39:09.560 the carrots for the reindeer meal, drink that whole fucking 1884 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:11.279 glass of milk that he has to do a couple 1885 01:39:11.319 --> 01:39:13.600 of billion times, which no wonder he's so damn fat. 1886 01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:16.760 But if you think about it, like those kids, they 1887 01:39:16.840 --> 01:39:19.439 they're not awake, so they're kind of just accepting that 1888 01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:23.359 their proof that Santa Claus exists is whenever they wake up, 1889 01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:26.159 those presents are under underneath the tree, you know what 1890 01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:29.840 I mean. Like, so kids don't kids don't need all 1891 01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:32.159 the information in order to believe. They just need a 1892 01:39:32.199 --> 01:39:35.439 tiny little bit that that same kid that whenever they 1893 01:39:35.479 --> 01:39:38.239 lose a tooth they believe in the tooth fairy. They've 1894 01:39:38.279 --> 01:39:40.399 never seen the tooth fairy, but every morning they wake 1895 01:39:40.479 --> 01:39:42.640 up there's a dollar bill underneath their pillow. That's all 1896 01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:46.239 the confirmation that they need, right and so sometimes and 1897 01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:48.359 that's why they say that, Like you know, a lot 1898 01:39:48.359 --> 01:39:52.159 of spiritualities and you know, religious books will say that 1899 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:54.479 like you need to take on the mind of a child. 1900 01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:57.279 You don't need to know all the details or anything, 1901 01:39:57.319 --> 01:40:00.880 but just to believe it takes you a lot farther 1902 01:40:01.159 --> 01:40:03.359 without needing to know all the nitty gritty about it 1903 01:40:03.399 --> 01:40:06.840 in order to believe. It's like believing and seeing rather 1904 01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:08.079 than seeing to believe. 1905 01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:10.520 No, no again, And I'm not trying to go to 1906 01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:13.960 a religious scale. I'm saying that, like, the kids believe 1907 01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:16.399 and there's even proof, they see the proof and they 1908 01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:19.720 wake up Christmas morning, but it's not real. And they 1909 01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:22.079 could believe it all they want, but it's not real. 1910 01:40:22.119 --> 01:40:25.039 That's my point. So when it comes to the conversation 1911 01:40:25.119 --> 01:40:27.199 of Tulpa's and Eggregre's and all this, yeah, you can 1912 01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:28.600 believe whatever. 1913 01:40:29.159 --> 01:40:31.319 I personally don't believe. 1914 01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:35.000 That that's gonna manifest Santa Claus into existence. 1915 01:40:35.039 --> 01:40:37.760 That's not how Let me give you another example that 1916 01:40:37.880 --> 01:40:41.439 maybe isn't too contrived, because kids are pretty fucking gullible, 1917 01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:43.439 right like, and a lot of times, you know, we 1918 01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:45.840 take advantage of that by saying that, oh, if you 1919 01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:48.319 don't behave then Santa Claus is gonna bring you a 1920 01:40:48.399 --> 01:40:50.479 lump of colt whatever. Right, But let me get heard. 1921 01:40:50.560 --> 01:40:52.720 You even say that Santa Claus is a tulpa or 1922 01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:54.520 you've said this before. 1923 01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:55.640 One hundred percent he's an eggre gore. 1924 01:40:55.800 --> 01:41:02.039 Yeah, but he's not real though, that's my point. No, No, 1925 01:41:02.119 --> 01:41:05.159 it doesn't matter how many kids actually believe this. They're 1926 01:41:05.159 --> 01:41:08.800 not going to make a physical Santa Claus manifest based 1927 01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:09.680 off of their belief. 1928 01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:11.479 That's not how reality works. 1929 01:41:11.600 --> 01:41:15.439 Yeah, but we're talking about the for a lack of 1930 01:41:15.479 --> 01:41:18.800 a better term, the spiritual realm here. This is the 1931 01:41:18.800 --> 01:41:23.119 realm in which you don't necessarily need physical proof. It's like, 1932 01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:27.159 I'll give you another example of an aggregor right, like, 1933 01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:31.399 and this is this is strictly no, no, no. Let 1934 01:41:31.399 --> 01:41:34.399 me take it to even a more contrived example. Okay, 1935 01:41:34.720 --> 01:41:41.079 let's say I don't know, uh, let's say that Christianity 1936 01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:45.439 not to bring religion to just listen, just hear me out. 1937 01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:47.319 I'm not I'm not judging on any of this. This 1938 01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:50.359 is just a fun example. Let's say, for example, that 1939 01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:54.920 Christianity is the only religion that actually has real God, 1940 01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:58.319 a real God, and a real Jesus, and every other 1941 01:41:58.359 --> 01:42:02.239 religion is not real, right, that people kind of just 1942 01:42:02.279 --> 01:42:04.880 made it up, and it's it's not real, right, it's 1943 01:42:04.920 --> 01:42:07.520 not confirmed, you can't confirm it whatever. Let's just suppose 1944 01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:11.000 that for a second. So now you have every other 1945 01:42:11.119 --> 01:42:15.479 religion out there, whether they believe in fucking four in Odin, 1946 01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:18.600 or if they believe in Mohammed, or they believe in 1947 01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:21.840 all these different you know, other kind of savior archetypes 1948 01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:25.439 or whatever, those people still believe it, right, And some 1949 01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:29.680 people even see the manifestation of them, like, you know, 1950 01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:34.119 maybe they'll see a Mohammed Avatar show up somewhere. Maybe 1951 01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:37.159 it's in a dream, or maybe they literally. 1952 01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:40.880 See a uh what do they call those great flying 1953 01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:44.720 spaghetti monster whatever it is, right, And So, what I'm 1954 01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:48.039 saying is is that sometimes belief is. 1955 01:42:48.159 --> 01:42:52.720 Enough for you to see something and like because there 1956 01:42:52.720 --> 01:42:53.279 are you know. 1957 01:42:53.600 --> 01:42:56.319 Yes, there are the monster in my closet conversation. Yes, 1958 01:42:56.399 --> 01:42:58.680 belief was enough for me to see this thing move. 1959 01:42:58.800 --> 01:43:02.560 It didn't actually move right, but you know, I'll give 1960 01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:08.359 you another example. So, can you prove that the emotion 1961 01:43:08.680 --> 01:43:10.159 of love exists? 1962 01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:13.720 Yeah, they scientifically can can track that based off of 1963 01:43:13.720 --> 01:43:15.239 the chemicals that are released in your brain. 1964 01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:19.279 Okay, so why do you feel so. 1965 01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:22.800 In the pheromones and shit, there's there's a lot of 1966 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:25.479 science that actually goes into it. You can actually like 1967 01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:27.960 mathematically break down what we would call love. 1968 01:43:28.199 --> 01:43:31.920 Okay, Okay, So then you would have to properly describe 1969 01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:35.800 what love is. You know what I'm saying because a 1970 01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:38.960 lot of people have loved many people. I mean, you know, 1971 01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:43.520 I have had many of girlfriends in the past that 1972 01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:46.720 I at the time felt like I loved, but I'm 1973 01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:49.159 not with them anymore? So was it really love? Was 1974 01:43:49.159 --> 01:43:51.600 it kind of a confusion kind of thing? Did I 1975 01:43:51.680 --> 01:43:54.239 fall out of love with them? You know? If it's like, 1976 01:43:54.359 --> 01:43:56.119 what is the definition of love? 1977 01:43:56.359 --> 01:43:56.600 If? 1978 01:43:57.079 --> 01:44:02.279 If? If love can be kind of uh, I don't 1979 01:44:02.279 --> 01:44:06.560 know documented right, Like what would the definition of that 1980 01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:11.359 be outside of just chemicals firing off in your brain? 1981 01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:13.920 Short term infatuation? 1982 01:44:15.319 --> 01:44:17.520 And this is where I'm gonna get weird with it. 1983 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:21.640 So you remember the first time you fell in love, right, 1984 01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:23.439 not even the first time. The first time you fall 1985 01:44:23.479 --> 01:44:26.680 in love with anybody is always awesome, Like it is 1986 01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:29.199 the best feeling. It's a fucking drug. 1987 01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:29.880 Right. 1988 01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:32.800 Like you go around and you're like, oh my god, 1989 01:44:32.840 --> 01:44:35.800 I can't believe this girl is interested in me. Holy shit, 1990 01:44:36.159 --> 01:44:38.920 I have gone above the bar. I don't deserve this. 1991 01:44:39.279 --> 01:44:42.520 She is she she said she likes me. That's crazy, right, 1992 01:44:42.760 --> 01:44:45.119 And now you go to work and everybody, everybody at 1993 01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:47.560 work is like you like them a little bit more now. 1994 01:44:47.680 --> 01:44:50.039 The food that you eat taste a little bit better now, 1995 01:44:50.239 --> 01:44:52.319 you know, Like, uh, it doesn't matter if you're watching 1996 01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:54.479 your favorite sports team. If I'm watching the fucking Steelers, 1997 01:44:54.560 --> 01:44:57.479 knock on wood, if I watch them lose tomorrow against 1998 01:44:57.520 --> 01:45:01.000 the fucking Brownies, which God, God forbid that. But let's 1999 01:45:01.079 --> 01:45:02.159 just say I fall in love. 2000 01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:04.640 What are the chances of that actually happens. I don't 2001 01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:06.079 know football this year. 2002 01:45:06.279 --> 01:45:10.359 I mean, any any given Sunday, you know, but especially 2003 01:45:10.359 --> 01:45:12.720 with the Steelers, you never know. But anyway, let's just 2004 01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:16.239 say I'm in love and the Steelers lose tomorrow. It's 2005 01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:19.239 not going to affect me that much because I'm in love. 2006 01:45:19.319 --> 01:45:20.800 There's nothing that can beat that. 2007 01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:24.960 Right, right, because your chemicals in your brain are released 2008 01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:28.239 to make you happier overall. You got way more serotonin, 2009 01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:29.199 way more dopamine. 2010 01:45:29.279 --> 01:45:31.800 Yeah right, But do you see how that carries on 2011 01:45:32.159 --> 01:45:35.119 you're in the rest of your day or however long 2012 01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:38.159 that feeling, I mean it, it eventually fades away, you 2013 01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:40.680 know that that like exciting kind of feeling. 2014 01:45:41.319 --> 01:45:43.479 Yeah, there's love and then there's a real shit when 2015 01:45:43.520 --> 01:45:44.359 rubber meets the road. 2016 01:45:44.439 --> 01:45:48.520 Yeah right, right, But in that moment, nothing can go wrong. 2017 01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:51.239 And what I'm saying is is that you believe that 2018 01:45:51.439 --> 01:45:54.680 all of life is love. Now, that is kind of 2019 01:45:54.720 --> 01:45:57.600 like what you're experiencing, right, And what I'm saying, and 2020 01:45:57.640 --> 01:46:00.199 you believe it because not only you feel it, you 2021 01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:03.239 know it. She's into you, You're into her. You're imagining 2022 01:46:03.279 --> 01:46:05.520 a beautiful future together. Maybe hey, maybe one day we'll 2023 01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:07.840 get married, Maybe one day we'll have kids. I can 2024 01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:10.640 already imagine me proposing to her. Your mind starts getting 2025 01:46:10.640 --> 01:46:13.680 a little crazy. It's just so overfeeling full of love, right, 2026 01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:19.680 that emotion is I think, I don't know how do 2027 01:46:19.720 --> 01:46:23.239 you document that? Could that be? You know, in a sense, 2028 01:46:23.880 --> 01:46:28.279 the emotion that these people are feeling, that is projecting 2029 01:46:28.359 --> 01:46:33.239 outwardly because you got multiple people feeling that enthusiasm that 2030 01:46:33.479 --> 01:46:39.439 wild like bewildering, bewildering belief that somehow it manifests in 2031 01:46:39.479 --> 01:46:42.640 physical form. And what I'm saying is is that I 2032 01:46:42.680 --> 01:46:46.680 believe what is going on here is that emotion sometimes 2033 01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:50.880 manifests itself in some forms. And I think that's what 2034 01:46:50.880 --> 01:46:51.560 they're alluding to. 2035 01:46:52.399 --> 01:46:56.720 I'm not disagreeing that that can happen, yes, but especially 2036 01:46:56.720 --> 01:47:00.439 when it comes to human to human contact. Right, It's 2037 01:47:00.479 --> 01:47:04.359 the same thing whenever, I don't know, you ever work 2038 01:47:04.439 --> 01:47:07.000 with somebody that you can't stand Oh yeah, right, for 2039 01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:10.800 whatever fucking reason. Maybe it was something that was said 2040 01:47:10.840 --> 01:47:13.760 once upon a time, Maybe it's the way this person smells, 2041 01:47:13.800 --> 01:47:18.039 whatever it is. You can't stand this fucking person. And 2042 01:47:18.079 --> 01:47:19.800 you see the schedule and you know that you're gonna 2043 01:47:19.840 --> 01:47:21.840 be working on the same shift and something, you're just like, God, 2044 01:47:22.199 --> 01:47:24.720 fuck this guy. Like you go to work and you're 2045 01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:27.600 already pissed off, right, and then what you know, it's 2046 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:29.560 just about the worst day at work you had. Even 2047 01:47:29.600 --> 01:47:31.359 if this guy wasn't there, it would have been the 2048 01:47:31.359 --> 01:47:33.479 worst day because everything's fucked, and then this guy's just 2049 01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:36.439 making extra worse by by Yeah, I see what you're saying. 2050 01:47:37.039 --> 01:47:40.199 But at the same time, that guy had no bearing 2051 01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:42.279 on what kind of day at work you had. You 2052 01:47:43.359 --> 01:47:45.920 had the mood that made it what it was, and yeah, 2053 01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:47.880 possibly the day would have been fucked even if this 2054 01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:51.319 guy didn't show up. It's very possible maybe him being 2055 01:47:51.319 --> 01:47:53.840 there made everything fucked. I don't know, it doesn't, but 2056 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:57.399 it doesn't matter. The reality of the situation is the 2057 01:47:57.399 --> 01:48:00.760 reality of the situation. You can control how you handle it, 2058 01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:03.079 but that's not going to change it one way or another. 2059 01:48:03.600 --> 01:48:08.359 Right. My point is is that that energy somehow projects 2060 01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:12.199 outward and everything about your day. If you're working with 2061 01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:15.239 this dickhead at work, every single thing, every call that 2062 01:48:15.319 --> 01:48:18.840 you get, every action that your boss asked you to take, 2063 01:48:19.199 --> 01:48:23.600 every single little, tiny, little minute thing that you need 2064 01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:26.880 to perform, just sucks that much more. What I'm saying 2065 01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:29.319 is is that there is an emotional override that is 2066 01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:33.199 projecting outward, at least to you. Now you multiply that 2067 01:48:33.279 --> 01:48:36.800 by five, six, seven, eight people, and I don't know, 2068 01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:39.960 maybe that's what they're talking about with this whole psychokinesis thing. 2069 01:48:40.439 --> 01:48:41.239 I'm not even saying that. 2070 01:48:41.319 --> 01:48:41.600 I know. 2071 01:48:41.760 --> 01:48:44.319 I'm just trying to imagine, like what's really going on. 2072 01:48:45.239 --> 01:48:47.520 I'm trying to figure it out too, to be honest 2073 01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:50.000 with you. As we're hearing these stories and reading through this, 2074 01:48:50.199 --> 01:48:54.479 it's getting more and more wild and again I can 2075 01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:59.880 see a possibility that this is hocum, you know, just 2076 01:49:00.199 --> 01:49:02.880 more and more of it. I could see it possibly 2077 01:49:02.920 --> 01:49:07.880 being something of a demonic nature. I could see that too. 2078 01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:12.000 I'm trying here, I'm trying to see the possibility of 2079 01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:14.960 them creating a ghost from scratch and believing in it 2080 01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:17.279 hard enough to where it's moving the table and shit. 2081 01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:21.399 I'm here though. At least that was their goal, right, 2082 01:49:21.640 --> 01:49:24.960 So let's see. Let's continue, because it goes on, We're 2083 01:49:24.960 --> 01:49:27.359 not going to read the whole thing because it's quite long. 2084 01:49:27.399 --> 01:49:29.560 It's like fifty pages long or something like that. I 2085 01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:31.399 just kind of wanted to get a little taste from 2086 01:49:31.439 --> 01:49:35.399 the horse's mouth, right, So it says they feel talking 2087 01:49:35.399 --> 01:49:39.000 about this group, they feel that the experiment is undoubtedly 2088 01:49:39.079 --> 01:49:43.119 a group experience with value in the realms of group therapy. 2089 01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:46.159 They continue to function as a group in their social relationships. 2090 01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:49.920 There is a strong family feeling of affection and friendship, 2091 01:49:49.960 --> 01:49:52.640 and during the Christmas period when they took a break 2092 01:49:52.640 --> 01:49:55.359 from meeting, they felt impelled to keep close in touch, 2093 01:49:55.560 --> 01:49:57.880 and we're obviously very glad to be back together again. 2094 01:49:58.079 --> 01:50:01.760 Quite a degree of telepathy has grown up between some 2095 01:50:01.880 --> 01:50:05.760 of the members. Interesting, I mean, telepathy could be anything, 2096 01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:09.399 you know, like there's been times where I thought about 2097 01:50:09.479 --> 01:50:13.920 you for some reason that is not homosexual, and whoa 2098 01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:17.119 and then hey, all right, right, I'm a straight man, dammit. 2099 01:50:17.399 --> 01:50:19.720 But anyway, let's just say I thought about you. Oh 2100 01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:21.720 that's that reminds me of something that Jacob said. And 2101 01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:25.479 then like, weirdly, you text me, you know, like something 2102 01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:29.000 that most people would probably deem coincidence until you experience it. 2103 01:50:29.039 --> 01:50:32.720 Thirty or forty times and you're like, all right, all right, statistically, 2104 01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:33.520 what are the odds? 2105 01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:33.840 Right? 2106 01:50:35.199 --> 01:50:37.520 So that's kind of like maybe that's what they were 2107 01:50:37.520 --> 01:50:40.479 talking about as far as the telepathy thing goes. So 2108 01:50:40.560 --> 01:50:43.479 it says since the Philip experiment started, the metal bending 2109 01:50:43.520 --> 01:50:45.960 feats of Uri Geller and Matthew Manning, as well as 2110 01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:48.119 many other people, have caused the physicists to look at 2111 01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:50.920 the whole field of psychic energy from a new standpoint. 2112 01:50:51.279 --> 01:50:54.319 The Philip group, while providing only a limited amount of 2113 01:50:54.319 --> 01:50:58.840 that energy, nevertheless can produce phenomena to order, and so 2114 01:50:59.079 --> 01:51:02.439 are ideal sub jects for experiments, and this is why 2115 01:51:02.439 --> 01:51:04.920 they have been invited to take part in experiments at 2116 01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:08.319 Kent State University in nineteen seventy five. From that, from 2117 01:51:08.359 --> 01:51:12.199 the point of view of spiritualist belief, while the group 2118 01:51:12.319 --> 01:51:16.079 still realize that one batch of experiments is entirely inadequate 2119 01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:19.159 to attempt to enter into the question of the validity 2120 01:51:20.039 --> 01:51:23.319 or not of spiritualistic belief, nevertheless they have become more 2121 01:51:23.359 --> 01:51:26.600 and more convinced that in a seance situation, it is 2122 01:51:26.680 --> 01:51:31.199 quite possible that the physical phenomena which often occur and 2123 01:51:31.279 --> 01:51:34.840 are ascribed to the spirits of departed friends could often 2124 01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:38.079 be only the result of the intense desire of the 2125 01:51:38.119 --> 01:51:40.520 part of the members of the circle to hear from 2126 01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:44.359 a particular person in their own mental image of that person, 2127 01:51:45.399 --> 01:51:49.359 basically just a projection they believe, so says. However, one 2128 01:51:49.399 --> 01:51:52.079 is quite aware that there are many instances on record 2129 01:51:52.119 --> 01:51:55.720 which would not be attributable to this theory, and obviously 2130 01:51:55.800 --> 01:51:59.279 many years of research into these areas lie before us. Finally, 2131 01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:01.399 to the members of the Philip group, this remains the 2132 01:52:01.399 --> 01:52:05.560 most exciting parapsychological experiment that they have ever done. It 2133 01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:09.279 continually opens up new ideas and gives rise to continued speculation. 2134 01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:15.199 Especially especially have the group speculated on the relationship of 2135 01:52:15.239 --> 01:52:18.880 the force generated by Philip to faith healing, for instance, 2136 01:52:19.199 --> 01:52:22.399 seeing perhaps a tenuous connection between it and the work 2137 01:52:22.439 --> 01:52:26.359 done by doctor Grad and Sister Justus Smith on the 2138 01:52:26.439 --> 01:52:29.479 alteration of the molecules of enzymes by a faith healer. 2139 01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:32.600 Do advances in the knowledge of healing methods lie with 2140 01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:35.800 the secrets of the PK force? If we could learn 2141 01:52:35.840 --> 01:52:38.279 to control the force, what practical uses could we make 2142 01:52:38.319 --> 01:52:40.920 of it? Could it be the answer to the energy crisis? 2143 01:52:41.079 --> 01:52:43.039 We just don't know. In what direction it could be 2144 01:52:43.159 --> 01:52:45.840 used or if at all, But the finding out is 2145 01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:49.800 exhilarating and challenging. So I think that's probably all we'll 2146 01:52:49.840 --> 01:52:54.079 read from that, and you know what I'll send out. 2147 01:52:54.199 --> 01:52:56.000 I'll have that down in the show notes below if 2148 01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:59.319 anybody else wants to read the entire thing. But man, 2149 01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:02.640 that that is, that's that's a lot to say. And 2150 01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:06.840 they're speaking from at least they're speaking from a point 2151 01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:09.359 of view as if like they full on believe it. 2152 01:53:09.359 --> 01:53:14.359 Whoever's writing this believes it has experienced it, and they 2153 01:53:14.399 --> 01:53:18.600 they have taken, you know, countermeasures to at least try 2154 01:53:18.640 --> 01:53:21.880 to prevent some kind of fuckery by a hoaxter in 2155 01:53:21.920 --> 01:53:23.000 the group, right. 2156 01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:25.880 I mean, they're doing their best here. I get it, 2157 01:53:25.920 --> 01:53:26.479 I see it. 2158 01:53:26.840 --> 01:53:29.960 Right, right, So just wanted to throw that out there. 2159 01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:32.000 There is some other things that I did want to 2160 01:53:32.039 --> 01:53:36.600 share here too, just alluding to all of this, because 2161 01:53:36.680 --> 01:53:38.880 I mean, look, some people would say that it's it's 2162 01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:41.720 this or it's that, and maybe this is just kind 2163 01:53:41.720 --> 01:53:44.520 of like a counter argument. Could it be something that is, 2164 01:53:45.479 --> 01:53:49.880 you know, exerting from the individual rather than the individual 2165 01:53:50.199 --> 01:53:53.960 perceiving something outside of them, right, Like that would be 2166 01:53:54.479 --> 01:53:57.600 what they say is psychokinesis. So then I was like, 2167 01:53:57.680 --> 01:54:00.920 all right, does this connect to Tulpa's. You know, no 2168 01:54:00.920 --> 01:54:04.439 matter what you believe about Tulpa's, a lot of people 2169 01:54:04.479 --> 01:54:06.560 believe this kind of shit. Not everybody. I mean, I'm 2170 01:54:06.560 --> 01:54:08.720 not even saying half of all people believe it, but 2171 01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:11.560 there are a lot of people within this kind of 2172 01:54:11.600 --> 01:54:16.079 community that believes in psychokinesis and levitation and you know, 2173 01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:19.960 the magic of the mind that maybe that's what we're 2174 01:54:19.960 --> 01:54:22.399 talking about here. So I figured maybe we'll give a 2175 01:54:22.399 --> 01:54:25.920 little brief overview as to what tulpas are. We've kind 2176 01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:28.079 of gone over them before in the past. What was that? 2177 01:54:29.479 --> 01:54:32.079 Remember that video that the Spirit animals shared of that 2178 01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:35.479 thing being born out of the egg? That wasn't a tulpa? 2179 01:54:35.560 --> 01:54:36.960 That was what was What was that again? 2180 01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:40.119 You No, that was a camera which, again, for the 2181 01:54:40.119 --> 01:54:43.680 love of God, for people who believe that that's real, 2182 01:54:44.239 --> 01:54:48.319 do like even a quick cursory understanding of how genetics work. 2183 01:54:48.439 --> 01:54:52.439 You can't insert your jiz into the egg of another 2184 01:54:52.520 --> 01:54:55.960 creature and get some sort of a hybrid. That's literally 2185 01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:59.920 not how genetics works. Whatsoever? How many things does dogs hump? 2186 01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:02.640 So you're telling me if a dog humps a cat. 2187 01:55:03.239 --> 01:55:05.479 We're gonna get a cat dog out of it. That's 2188 01:55:05.560 --> 01:55:06.039 not how. 2189 01:55:05.920 --> 01:55:09.239 It actually works, dude, Jacob, have you never seen the cartoon? 2190 01:55:09.239 --> 01:55:12.239 Obviously it works clearly. Nickelodeon was on one. 2191 01:55:12.239 --> 01:55:17.039 You're correct, by bad. I was so in my understanding 2192 01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:20.039 of what this psychokinesis is and what they were saying 2193 01:55:20.079 --> 01:55:25.560 about some kind of group energy projection, I thought that 2194 01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:28.319 kind of sounded very similar to what a tulpa is. 2195 01:55:29.439 --> 01:55:33.039 For those who don't know a tulpa, I have, Marv 2196 01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:37.600 the octopus from Metamisteries Metamistics now is supposed to be 2197 01:55:37.920 --> 01:55:40.439 inside of this crystal that I wear around my neck. 2198 01:55:40.920 --> 01:55:44.960 Sounds crazy, sounds woo woo, whatever, but it was created 2199 01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:47.960 by our boy lord Byron Jester. He believes that that 2200 01:55:48.199 --> 01:55:52.159 energy of that tulpa that we created, of our logo 2201 01:55:52.439 --> 01:55:54.560 is inside of this, and so I wear it every day. 2202 01:55:54.600 --> 01:55:56.560 Who cares if it is it is, if it isn't, 2203 01:55:56.800 --> 01:55:58.800 I mean, it still looks pretty cool. But either way, 2204 01:55:59.239 --> 01:56:03.479 So tulpa's a history and example of living thought forms. 2205 01:56:03.640 --> 01:56:06.239 So we're not gonna read this whole thing, but we're 2206 01:56:06.239 --> 01:56:09.079 gonna see if it rhymes a little bit, right. So 2207 01:56:09.399 --> 01:56:12.560 did anyone ever have an imaginary friend? Jake, have you 2208 01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:13.319 ever had one of those? 2209 01:56:14.399 --> 01:56:18.720 I can't say that I have. I mean not in 2210 01:56:18.760 --> 01:56:21.520 the way I guess. So at one point in time, 2211 01:56:21.560 --> 01:56:24.600 you ever seen the old show Foster's Home. 2212 01:56:24.439 --> 01:56:25.439 For Imaginary Friends. 2213 01:56:26.359 --> 01:56:27.720 It sounds familiar. 2214 01:56:28.119 --> 01:56:29.800 It's a cartoon from back in the day. 2215 01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:33.159 Anyway, inspired me to like create one, But I think 2216 01:56:33.239 --> 01:56:36.359 it I created it and then forgot about it, like 2217 01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:38.600 within a couple of days, because I had like actual 2218 01:56:38.640 --> 01:56:39.520 friends to go hang with. 2219 01:56:40.479 --> 01:56:43.199 Well I and I could be wrong, but if I'm 2220 01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:49.359 not mistaken, this is also similar to whenever children give 2221 01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:55.079 imaginations to their toys. So like Barbie, you know, this 2222 01:56:55.239 --> 01:56:57.319 is her favorite food and this is her favorite place 2223 01:56:57.359 --> 01:57:00.279 to go, Like it almost takes on a little personality, right, 2224 01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:02.640 And I don't know if that's exactly tulpa, like Tulpa 2225 01:57:02.720 --> 01:57:06.560 mancy or whatever, but Tulpa mancy is that the word 2226 01:57:06.640 --> 01:57:08.800 for it. That's what you know, if you're trying to 2227 01:57:08.840 --> 01:57:11.359 create a Tulpa. Yeah, be considered Taupa mancy. 2228 01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:12.399 Gotcha? 2229 01:57:12.520 --> 01:57:15.760 Okay, So because and the only reason I thought about 2230 01:57:15.800 --> 01:57:18.159 that is because back in the day I used to 2231 01:57:18.199 --> 01:57:21.640 have one of those. My buddy Dolls. If anybody any 2232 01:57:21.640 --> 01:57:24.720 of the nineties babies out there, you remember my buddy Dolls. 2233 01:57:24.920 --> 01:57:27.720 And I used to chase my friends around the neighborhood 2234 01:57:27.840 --> 01:57:31.079 with it because they thought it looked so much like Chucky, right, 2235 01:57:31.479 --> 01:57:34.000 because it was like the nice version of Chucky. It 2236 01:57:34.039 --> 01:57:36.920 looked like it was just this little, this little blonde, 2237 01:57:36.960 --> 01:57:41.359 white baby doll looking thing that had overalls and a 2238 01:57:41.479 --> 01:57:45.079 hat and very friendly. My buddy, My my buddy. However, 2239 01:57:45.079 --> 01:57:47.920 the fucking song went, and and that was I carried 2240 01:57:47.920 --> 01:57:49.760 that thing with me everywhere, and I gave him a 2241 01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:52.119 little personality, and this is what he likes, this is 2242 01:57:52.159 --> 01:57:54.079 what he doesn't like. And so I wonder if that's 2243 01:57:54.159 --> 01:57:57.239 kind of like maybe the beginning of a tulpa being created. 2244 01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:00.279 But that was all in a physical thing, right, That 2245 01:58:00.399 --> 01:58:03.439 wasn't like you created in your mind. You gave this 2246 01:58:03.439 --> 01:58:05.039 ananim an objective personality. 2247 01:58:05.039 --> 01:58:05.199 Fuck. 2248 01:58:05.239 --> 01:58:07.359 I played with g I, Joe's and yeah, I gave 2249 01:58:07.399 --> 01:58:09.800 them like little personalities and all of these things, for sure, 2250 01:58:10.279 --> 01:58:12.439 But that's not me creating a tulpa. That was me 2251 01:58:12.520 --> 01:58:15.800 having a vivid imagination, because fuck, every time we'd play, 2252 01:58:15.800 --> 01:58:18.680 there may be different personalities associated with each of these things. 2253 01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:20.760 Maybe it'd be the same one, it'd be a continuation 2254 01:58:20.800 --> 01:58:22.920 of the last toy that we got together and play. 2255 01:58:23.119 --> 01:58:23.520 I don't know. 2256 01:58:24.079 --> 01:58:26.239 I mean, if that's the case, then you could say 2257 01:58:26.279 --> 01:58:29.119 that everybody that believes in a tulpa is really just 2258 01:58:29.600 --> 01:58:34.279 a believing in an imaginary kind of made up thing, right, which, yeah, 2259 01:58:34.760 --> 01:58:36.680 let's read a little bit about it, because I don't know. 2260 01:58:37.800 --> 01:58:41.039 So someone or something that you played with and told 2261 01:58:41.079 --> 01:58:43.800 all of your secrets talking about your imaginary friend, a 2262 01:58:43.840 --> 01:58:46.239 friend that you were so sure could be real if 2263 01:58:46.239 --> 01:58:48.920 you only believed hard enough. What if all of your 2264 01:58:48.920 --> 01:58:52.439 beliefs and intentions actually made them real. Some believe that 2265 01:58:52.479 --> 01:58:54.840 this is really possible, that if you put enough careful 2266 01:58:54.880 --> 01:58:57.920 thought and intention into an imaginary being, you can will 2267 01:58:57.960 --> 01:59:01.479 it into existence. Once created, this being is essentially a 2268 01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:06.000 living thought form called a tulpa. So what is a tulpa? 2269 01:59:06.039 --> 01:59:09.159 By most definitions, a tulpa is a being or object 2270 01:59:09.199 --> 01:59:13.439 created of an out of intense spiritual concentration. Typically, these 2271 01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:16.199 beings are created for a specific purpose or to help 2272 01:59:16.279 --> 01:59:19.560 their creators accomplish a specific goal. The idea of a 2273 01:59:19.640 --> 01:59:22.199 tulpa was first introduced to me in what I now 2274 01:59:22.399 --> 01:59:25.960 realized was a little known Disney Channel show called So Weird. 2275 01:59:26.399 --> 01:59:28.319 In this show, I don't know if I've ever seen 2276 01:59:28.319 --> 01:59:28.720 that one. 2277 01:59:29.239 --> 01:59:31.399 Oh dude, wait that one and don't look under the bed. 2278 01:59:31.479 --> 01:59:34.279 That was the other one, whereas like the Boogeyman was 2279 01:59:34.319 --> 01:59:38.319 actually her imaginary friend come to life whenever she stopped 2280 01:59:38.319 --> 01:59:40.600 believing in him too early and all this shit, which 2281 01:59:40.640 --> 01:59:42.560 is also really fucked up for kids to watch. That 2282 01:59:42.600 --> 01:59:44.439 was way too scary for five year olds to be watched. 2283 01:59:44.439 --> 01:59:47.239 And let's be real. Yeah, but uh yeah, So Weird 2284 01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:50.560 was uh it was kind of like a paranormal esque show. 2285 01:59:50.640 --> 01:59:56.840 You remember, Brink, Yeah, okay, we're on So Weird. Yeah, 2286 01:59:56.880 --> 01:59:59.039 I think that I remember it now? Is that the one? 2287 01:59:59.479 --> 02:00:02.399 Like the logo was like this big smiley face or 2288 02:00:02.439 --> 02:00:03.199 something like that. 2289 02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:06.680 No, no, no, the logo is like these kids looking 2290 02:00:06.720 --> 02:00:08.960 scared as fuck at the camera with a UFO behind them. 2291 02:00:09.039 --> 02:00:10.680 So here's here's the backstory to that one. 2292 02:00:10.720 --> 02:00:14.560 So uh, I forget the other dude's name, but two 2293 02:00:14.600 --> 02:00:17.479 of the dudes that played him Brink Old Peter, the 2294 02:00:17.479 --> 02:00:19.920 one that finally pulled off the inverted five forty at 2295 02:00:19.960 --> 02:00:23.560 the end. He and Brink were the older brother and 2296 02:00:23.600 --> 02:00:26.520 the cousin of the main character chick in it, the 2297 02:00:26.560 --> 02:00:30.920 mom from the Basketball movie who as a matter of fact, 2298 02:00:30.960 --> 02:00:33.760 weirdly enough, you ever heard of the band The Mamas 2299 02:00:33.800 --> 02:00:34.720 and the Papas. 2300 02:00:34.960 --> 02:00:38.000 Yeah, okay, this. 2301 02:00:38.000 --> 02:00:41.640 Band had a weird Oh god, that's a whole conversation 2302 02:00:42.800 --> 02:00:43.520 now remember this. 2303 02:00:43.800 --> 02:00:46.520 Yeah, yeah, so the mom from so Weird. Yeah, yeah, 2304 02:00:46.560 --> 02:00:48.319 there's the two dudes so Ericvon didn't and then your 2305 02:00:48.319 --> 02:00:50.399 boy Peter that pulled off the five forty. Yeah, the 2306 02:00:50.439 --> 02:00:52.479 mom standing next to the chick there that is the 2307 02:00:52.640 --> 02:00:55.079 daughter of two of the people from The Mamas and 2308 02:00:55.119 --> 02:00:55.720 the Papas. 2309 02:00:56.199 --> 02:00:58.760 That was like a swinger vibe thing. 2310 02:00:59.000 --> 02:01:01.159 She was really fucked up for the longest time, but 2311 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:03.239 then she broke out into acting and Disney gave her 2312 02:01:03.279 --> 02:01:06.000 a couple roles as a mom. So yeah, the show 2313 02:01:06.279 --> 02:01:09.199 was actually not a bad show. Gonna be completely honest 2314 02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:11.399 with you. It was kind of like a kid's version 2315 02:01:11.399 --> 02:01:13.159 of like a paranormal esque show. 2316 02:01:13.479 --> 02:01:14.359 It was supposed to be like. 2317 02:01:14.319 --> 02:01:17.560 Super creepy vibes, but like, yeah, that's the logo that 2318 02:01:17.600 --> 02:01:18.319 I remember. 2319 02:01:18.000 --> 02:01:19.000 Seeing so many times. 2320 02:01:19.399 --> 02:01:22.560 Wow, damn, what a dude. Talk about a flash to 2321 02:01:22.640 --> 02:01:23.279 the past. 2322 02:01:23.880 --> 02:01:26.079 Yeah, it's a deep cut look at the Disney logo 2323 02:01:26.119 --> 02:01:27.880 at the bottom right. You want to talk about a 2324 02:01:27.920 --> 02:01:31.039 deep fucking cut that used to that was the thing? 2325 02:01:31.319 --> 02:01:31.680 Uh huh? 2326 02:01:31.720 --> 02:01:34.239 Like that went away in the late nineties. I know. 2327 02:01:34.680 --> 02:01:38.439 Man, Oh I miss old school Disney. This is back 2328 02:01:38.479 --> 02:01:40.800 when it was like Imagine or that and all that 2329 02:01:40.880 --> 02:01:44.279 crazy shit. Yeah, good old ep Cot was like the 2330 02:01:44.319 --> 02:01:46.720 newest thing that Disney had as an attraction. 2331 02:01:46.920 --> 02:01:48.560 It was like it was wild things. 2332 02:01:48.439 --> 02:01:49.119 Good old days. 2333 02:01:49.199 --> 02:01:49.479 Dude. 2334 02:01:50.399 --> 02:01:51.359 But anyhow, by that. 2335 02:01:51.359 --> 02:01:55.640 Logic is speaking on Disney here, does that make Woody 2336 02:01:55.680 --> 02:01:56.840 a tulpa for Andy? 2337 02:01:57.239 --> 02:02:00.399 Because the cowboy asque vibe of whatever. 2338 02:02:00.560 --> 02:02:03.159 That's one thing, but he gave what the personality to 2339 02:02:03.199 --> 02:02:04.560 make him all these things? 2340 02:02:04.760 --> 02:02:09.560 Right. I'm if if we are to believe that tulpas 2341 02:02:09.560 --> 02:02:11.439 are a thing, then it would fit the bill. 2342 02:02:11.640 --> 02:02:14.680 I think so if you believe hard enough, your toys 2343 02:02:14.760 --> 02:02:16.840 can't come to life when you're not around and have 2344 02:02:17.039 --> 02:02:20.079 entire story arcs in and of themselves. 2345 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:22.520 Dude. I used to believe that whenever I was younger, 2346 02:02:22.680 --> 02:02:26.960 especially after watching Toy Story. Yeah, but you know, a 2347 02:02:27.039 --> 02:02:29.199 Toy Story came out and I was like four or 2348 02:02:29.279 --> 02:02:30.560 five when that came out. 2349 02:02:30.680 --> 02:02:33.680 You know, every kid, every single kid alive. Like, we 2350 02:02:33.800 --> 02:02:36.800 go to school and think, like, bro, what if toy 2351 02:02:36.840 --> 02:02:39.399 stories reals and my kids are or what if toy 2352 02:02:39.439 --> 02:02:41.800 story is real and my toys are playing around in 2353 02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:44.760 my room right now without me. Every kid has had 2354 02:02:44.800 --> 02:02:45.920 that daydream. 2355 02:02:45.520 --> 02:02:48.680 And every time you'd come home hoping that your favorite 2356 02:02:48.720 --> 02:02:51.800 toy was in a different place. Yeah yeah, oh shit, 2357 02:02:52.399 --> 02:02:56.319 yeah yeah, just to prove it. Uh right, So anyway, yeah, 2358 02:02:56.319 --> 02:02:59.439 they bring up so weird. In this show, the main character, 2359 02:02:59.520 --> 02:03:01.720 who is a girl who encounters the paranormal on a 2360 02:03:01.720 --> 02:03:04.880 regular basis, meets a young boy who created an imaginary 2361 02:03:04.880 --> 02:03:08.000 friend as a way of coping with bullies. The imaginary 2362 02:03:08.000 --> 02:03:11.159 friend became real a tulpa, and had the ability to 2363 02:03:11.199 --> 02:03:13.560 move things and affect the world around it. It also 2364 02:03:13.640 --> 02:03:16.239 had a mind of its own and became very overprotective 2365 02:03:16.279 --> 02:03:19.079 of its creator. In the episode, the young boy eventually 2366 02:03:19.119 --> 02:03:22.720 had to stand up to his tulpa and banish it. Wow, 2367 02:03:22.720 --> 02:03:26.600 I don't remember that part. I remember being fascinated by 2368 02:03:26.600 --> 02:03:30.439 this concept that we imagine that what we imagine could 2369 02:03:30.479 --> 02:03:33.159 somehow take on a life of its own. So how 2370 02:03:33.279 --> 02:03:36.239 and why would someone create a tulpa? This is where 2371 02:03:36.239 --> 02:03:40.279 it's gonna get pretty weird, okay. So tulpa's are typically 2372 02:03:40.359 --> 02:03:43.800 created on purpose to fulfill some sort of need. Today, 2373 02:03:43.920 --> 02:03:48.520 there are certain magic practitioners that incorporate tulpa's into their practice. 2374 02:03:48.560 --> 02:03:52.359 Only they may be only They may be called servitor, 2375 02:03:52.399 --> 02:03:57.039 which is technically what my necklace is called. These servitors 2376 02:03:57.039 --> 02:04:00.079 are created to perform a task, whether it is to 2377 02:04:00.640 --> 02:04:03.279 whether it be to protect their creator or their home, 2378 02:04:03.640 --> 02:04:05.720 or to go out into the world and bring things 2379 02:04:05.760 --> 02:04:08.399 into the life of the creator such as love or money. 2380 02:04:08.720 --> 02:04:11.840 There are a number of uses for these beings, and 2381 02:04:11.880 --> 02:04:16.159 one practitioner may create multiple servitors for different purposes. Tulpas 2382 02:04:16.279 --> 02:04:19.439 or servitors basically the same thing are typically created through 2383 02:04:19.479 --> 02:04:23.199 intense concentration. As mentioned previously, a person may write down 2384 02:04:23.199 --> 02:04:25.600 the purpose of their tulpa and list out the characteristics 2385 02:04:25.600 --> 02:04:29.000 that it needs to have to accomplish their purpose. The 2386 02:04:29.039 --> 02:04:31.600 creator may even draw an image of what it should 2387 02:04:31.600 --> 02:04:34.479 look like. For example, if a tulpa was being created 2388 02:04:34.520 --> 02:04:37.880 to protect someone's home, the creator may imagine a very 2389 02:04:38.039 --> 02:04:41.479 large being with strong arms, perhaps even armor or sharp 2390 02:04:41.520 --> 02:04:44.520 teeth or whatever the creator feels is a protective feature. 2391 02:04:44.960 --> 02:04:48.000 They would then focus all intent and belief on this 2392 02:04:48.159 --> 02:04:51.920 image or whatever they had written, perhaps even entering a 2393 02:04:52.000 --> 02:04:55.399 meditative state to bring the creature into existence. So you 2394 02:04:55.479 --> 02:04:58.399 see how it's kind of similar to the imagination of 2395 02:04:58.439 --> 02:05:00.960 a child, which is why I think they kind of 2396 02:05:00.960 --> 02:05:03.680 bring the imagination of the toys and shit like that 2397 02:05:03.800 --> 02:05:07.319 into it. Right, So all right, this is where I 2398 02:05:07.319 --> 02:05:09.760 thought it was gonna get awesome. Okay. So the word 2399 02:05:09.840 --> 02:05:15.520 tulpa originated from the Tibetan sproll pa, which means to 2400 02:05:15.760 --> 02:05:21.520 let emanations go forth? Could that be if we are 2401 02:05:21.560 --> 02:05:25.000 to believe the Tulpas and the Tibetans obviously believed it, 2402 02:05:25.439 --> 02:05:27.920 that they created a term for it. That Could that 2403 02:05:28.119 --> 02:05:32.000 be that that's what they were experiencing whenever they created 2404 02:05:32.079 --> 02:05:35.119 this fictional character as the ghost. It's kind of what 2405 02:05:35.159 --> 02:05:38.760 I'm trying to build here. So in nineteen twenty nine, 2406 02:05:38.760 --> 02:05:42.039 the word was used by Alexandra David Neil to describe 2407 02:05:42.039 --> 02:05:44.880 a practice that she discovered when traveling and learning about 2408 02:05:44.920 --> 02:05:48.199 the Tibetan culture. In her book called Magic and Mystery 2409 02:05:48.199 --> 02:05:52.000 in Tibet, David Neil explains that she met that she 2410 02:05:52.159 --> 02:05:55.239 met the Dali Lama in nineteen twelve, and he explained 2411 02:05:55.239 --> 02:05:58.640 that in a state of perfect concentration, he could create 2412 02:05:58.760 --> 02:06:03.239 many phantoms otherwise known as tulpa's of himself in any 2413 02:06:03.279 --> 02:06:07.560 form that he chose, So Dhali Lama believed it. It 2414 02:06:07.640 --> 02:06:11.079 says the limitless power of creation of the of the 2415 02:06:11.159 --> 02:06:15.399 Dali Lama was attributed to spiritual status. However, she also 2416 02:06:15.520 --> 02:06:22.159 references tolkus tolka's to tolkus whatever, which we're described as 2417 02:06:22.199 --> 02:06:25.600 a shorter lasting manifestation that any human had the power 2418 02:06:25.640 --> 02:06:28.119 to create. It seems that the strength of the tulpa 2419 02:06:28.199 --> 02:06:31.720 depends on the strength or level of concentration. A similar 2420 02:06:31.760 --> 02:06:34.159 being in Jewish folklore is called a gollum. 2421 02:06:35.439 --> 02:06:36.800 That's right, How is that similar? 2422 02:06:36.920 --> 02:06:39.520 Gollum is a clay creature that you carve a certain 2423 02:06:39.600 --> 02:06:42.039 word into the forehead and then speak a spellover. 2424 02:06:42.439 --> 02:06:44.840 Well, I think the idea is is that you sit there, 2425 02:06:44.920 --> 02:06:47.319 you think about it, you concentrate on it, maybe you 2426 02:06:47.399 --> 02:06:50.680 man meditate on it while you're also doing those other things. 2427 02:06:50.720 --> 02:06:53.600 It's not just the physical steps that you got to take. 2428 02:06:53.600 --> 02:06:56.520 That you almost have to apply your intention and your 2429 02:06:56.560 --> 02:06:58.399 imagination to it at the same time, I think, is 2430 02:06:58.399 --> 02:06:59.119 what they're referring to. 2431 02:06:59.800 --> 02:07:02.520 Yeah, but that's completely different than a tulpa, which doesn't 2432 02:07:02.520 --> 02:07:03.560 have any physicality. 2433 02:07:03.600 --> 02:07:06.479 This you have to physically carve it yourself. I think 2434 02:07:06.520 --> 02:07:09.600 gallums take it a step farther in creating the actual 2435 02:07:09.680 --> 02:07:14.760 physical form of it. But as far as the for 2436 02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:17.319 a lack of a better term, the consciousness of that 2437 02:07:17.439 --> 02:07:23.119 gollum would have been created through intense concentration and whatnot, 2438 02:07:23.319 --> 02:07:26.119 I think is what they're trying to talk about here. So, 2439 02:07:26.399 --> 02:07:31.439 according to Miriam Webster, the term gllum originally meant shapeless mass. 2440 02:07:31.720 --> 02:07:35.319 Gollums are creatures created from inanimate matter such as mud 2441 02:07:35.399 --> 02:07:37.720 or clay, and brought to life to serve their creator 2442 02:07:38.520 --> 02:07:41.760 using a charm or sacred word. The main difference here 2443 02:07:41.840 --> 02:07:44.560 is that gollums are actually created from matter, where a 2444 02:07:44.640 --> 02:07:48.680 tulpa is created purely from intention, although if strong enough, 2445 02:07:48.680 --> 02:07:51.840 they may have a physical appearance. So I'm not trying 2446 02:07:51.840 --> 02:07:53.520 to get too far into the weeds on that, but 2447 02:07:53.720 --> 02:07:58.399 basically my point was, you know, them communicating with this 2448 02:07:58.520 --> 02:08:01.680 other thing that is going on on may very well 2449 02:08:01.720 --> 02:08:06.880 be what the Dalai Lama would call a tolka a 2450 02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:12.159 sproll paw, which just really means to let emanations go forth, 2451 02:08:12.359 --> 02:08:15.119 essentially saying that there is something that is coming out 2452 02:08:15.199 --> 02:08:19.960 of you. Your belief, your intention, your imagination, all of 2453 02:08:19.960 --> 02:08:25.000 that is charged up and somehow, I don't know, coming 2454 02:08:25.039 --> 02:08:28.560 out of you in one way or another, emanating right, 2455 02:08:28.840 --> 02:08:32.439 like the sun emanates onto the flowers right in that 2456 02:08:32.560 --> 02:08:36.920 same way, a light emanating onto your table right now, right, 2457 02:08:37.039 --> 02:08:40.680 and like it is coming out so projected outward is 2458 02:08:40.720 --> 02:08:44.279 what the Tibetans believed and ultimately what the Dalai Lama believes. 2459 02:08:44.600 --> 02:08:47.159 Not saying that anybody any of this is real or false, 2460 02:08:47.199 --> 02:08:49.159 I'm just trying to say, you know, I'm trying to 2461 02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:53.720 come up with, like what's the explanation? How is this possible? Right? 2462 02:08:55.600 --> 02:08:58.319 So then there's the history of Taupa mancy, which we 2463 02:08:58.319 --> 02:09:00.479 don't need to get into. That just kind of wanted 2464 02:09:00.479 --> 02:09:04.039 to bring that up here. So I don't know if 2465 02:09:04.039 --> 02:09:06.319 we even need to talk about this. But how to Yeah, 2466 02:09:06.640 --> 02:09:08.359 this is a conspiracy show. I'm not going to say 2467 02:09:08.359 --> 02:09:09.560 how to conduct a seance. 2468 02:09:10.479 --> 02:09:14.000 I mean I'm curious, like how much of the movies 2469 02:09:14.199 --> 02:09:16.560 have you know, how much of that spot on or not? 2470 02:09:16.640 --> 02:09:20.439 Because these people that were conducting this experiment were performing 2471 02:09:20.560 --> 02:09:26.039 seances correct, Yes, yes, they were performing seances with the 2472 02:09:26.079 --> 02:09:30.399 intention of making contact with a fictitious character that they 2473 02:09:30.439 --> 02:09:33.279 created completely from their own imagination. 2474 02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:36.680 M h, I mean out loud. 2475 02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:39.840 That would be like saying that I am going to 2476 02:09:40.000 --> 02:09:43.319 go and start this car that I'm making up in 2477 02:09:43.359 --> 02:09:47.840 my mind, completely fictitious. I'm going to go outside with 2478 02:09:47.960 --> 02:09:51.520 this key and eventually one day I'm going to turn 2479 02:09:51.560 --> 02:09:54.159 the ignition on a car that I've made up in 2480 02:09:54.239 --> 02:09:56.119 my mind. It's not even a car that really exists, 2481 02:09:56.520 --> 02:09:58.920 Like where it's from is a place. 2482 02:09:59.399 --> 02:10:01.399 The name of the the manufacturer is a thing. 2483 02:10:02.119 --> 02:10:04.520 Uh, you know this car has always had an engine 2484 02:10:04.560 --> 02:10:07.560 knock problem, you know, coming up with a whole backstory 2485 02:10:07.600 --> 02:10:10.359 for it whatever, and then one day going outside and 2486 02:10:10.399 --> 02:10:13.000 sticking the key into an ignition and like it starts, 2487 02:10:13.000 --> 02:10:15.399 and you're like, whoa, I made this happen. It took 2488 02:10:15.399 --> 02:10:17.159 a year of figuring it out, but like I got it. 2489 02:10:17.239 --> 02:10:18.960 Like that's that's insanity. 2490 02:10:19.199 --> 02:10:21.920 Yeah, But there's also there also seems to be limitations 2491 02:10:21.960 --> 02:10:25.199 to this. So like they they could get all the knocks, 2492 02:10:25.239 --> 02:10:27.359 they can get the table moving around, but they couldn't 2493 02:10:27.359 --> 02:10:30.039 get any kind of physical emanation of it, right, Like, 2494 02:10:30.359 --> 02:10:33.000 so there seemed to be that there were definitely limitations. 2495 02:10:33.079 --> 02:10:35.720 Otherwise they would have done other things rather than just 2496 02:10:36.079 --> 02:10:39.359 proving that this thing is knocking at this table. Right. 2497 02:10:40.880 --> 02:10:44.560 So so anyway, and it's it's actually not a long article, 2498 02:10:44.600 --> 02:10:46.560 so we can we can kind of just burn through it. 2499 02:10:46.840 --> 02:10:49.680 So why not? And this is from liveabout dot com, 2500 02:10:50.119 --> 02:10:53.000 the article that was talking about the Phillipic experiment earlier. 2501 02:10:53.319 --> 02:10:57.000 But so it says throughout the Victorian age, parties that 2502 02:10:57.039 --> 02:10:59.960 featured a seance were all the rage hosts would gather 2503 02:11:00.159 --> 02:11:03.119 together to contact the dead. In recent years, there have 2504 02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:06.760 been increased skepticism towards seances. However, a lot of people 2505 02:11:06.800 --> 02:11:10.159 continue to believe that making contact with the dead is possible. 2506 02:11:10.640 --> 02:11:12.960 So as far as the supplies you'll need, it says, 2507 02:11:13.000 --> 02:11:15.199 if you're planning to hold a seance in your own home, 2508 02:11:15.600 --> 02:11:18.119 you need a few like minded people and a few 2509 02:11:18.239 --> 02:11:20.479 vital supplies. By the way, I just want to put 2510 02:11:20.520 --> 02:11:25.359 this out there. If you are a devout religious person, 2511 02:11:25.640 --> 02:11:28.680 maybe just skip ahead a couple of minutes. Okay, this 2512 02:11:28.880 --> 02:11:33.640 is getting into performing seances and toulpla mancy and only 2513 02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:35.960 I only decided to even bring this one up because 2514 02:11:36.000 --> 02:11:37.840 I saw it earlier and I was like, ah, fuck, it. 2515 02:11:37.840 --> 02:11:41.319 It's Halloween. It's Halloween season, so let's get spooky, right sure. 2516 02:11:41.279 --> 02:11:44.239 Sure, this is not an instruction guide that we want 2517 02:11:44.279 --> 02:11:47.680 cult members to follow, right, Like, if you do this, 2518 02:11:47.800 --> 02:11:49.640 you know, if you feel like you want to, but 2519 02:11:50.199 --> 02:11:52.319 it is not us telling you to do this. As 2520 02:11:52.359 --> 02:11:54.680 the resident Christian, I need to at least make that 2521 02:11:54.720 --> 02:11:57.520 statement known. We're not sharing this information hoping that all 2522 02:11:57.560 --> 02:11:59.079 of our cult members are going to start going out 2523 02:11:59.119 --> 02:12:00.000 there and performing salance. 2524 02:12:00.199 --> 02:12:01.000 Is that they're kitchen table. 2525 02:12:01.000 --> 02:12:02.479 As a matter of fact, I don't want any of 2526 02:12:02.479 --> 02:12:05.319 you to do this specifically because the Bible, in the 2527 02:12:05.319 --> 02:12:07.439 Old and New Testament said don't fucking do this. 2528 02:12:08.039 --> 02:12:10.800 So just so we're clear, but moving on, and as 2529 02:12:10.920 --> 02:12:15.359 a self proclaimed mystic and philosopher and wonderer of all things, 2530 02:12:15.439 --> 02:12:19.520 if you do happen to dabble in these directions, reach 2531 02:12:19.560 --> 02:12:23.000 out to me at metamistics at yahoo dot com. Okay, 2532 02:12:23.159 --> 02:12:25.359 just let me know what your experience was. I want 2533 02:12:25.359 --> 02:12:27.239 to hear about it. I'm into all the weird, I'm 2534 02:12:27.279 --> 02:12:28.920 into all the wu wuo, I'm into all the fucking 2535 02:12:29.399 --> 02:12:33.600 unexplainable shit, So reach out to me. So that is 2536 02:12:33.680 --> 02:12:35.479 kind of funny though about how we both kind of 2537 02:12:35.479 --> 02:12:38.920 have very separate ideas on that. But no, I believe 2538 02:12:38.920 --> 02:12:39.680 this shit's real. 2539 02:12:40.119 --> 02:12:42.800 Like I mean, I'm I'm not saying that even this 2540 02:12:42.960 --> 02:12:45.079 article is going to actually tell you how to do 2541 02:12:45.119 --> 02:12:47.680 it correctly. If very well may it very well may, 2542 02:12:47.720 --> 02:12:50.680 And it's one on the money, It's very possible that 2543 02:12:50.720 --> 02:12:53.199 this is like one person's interpretation of some stuff that 2544 02:12:53.239 --> 02:12:55.680 they found once upon a time. I don't know, but 2545 02:12:55.840 --> 02:12:59.079 like the Book of Deuteronomy is very clear on these 2546 02:12:59.119 --> 02:13:02.039 types of things. And then in the New Testament, Jesus 2547 02:13:02.039 --> 02:13:05.479 and his disciples reference the Torah, which is where deuterontomy 2548 02:13:05.600 --> 02:13:08.479 is saying that this is truth. So like, just don't 2549 02:13:08.680 --> 02:13:11.640 it's telling you that, like this is real, Like Katie 2550 02:13:11.680 --> 02:13:13.800 with the Dead is a thing that you can physically do, 2551 02:13:14.319 --> 02:13:16.720 it tells you not to do it specifically. 2552 02:13:17.079 --> 02:13:19.600 So yeah, like that's that's where I'm at with it. 2553 02:13:19.680 --> 02:13:21.800 You on the other hand, But that's the other thing, right, 2554 02:13:22.359 --> 02:13:26.239 unless you acknowledge the book to be truth, then like 2555 02:13:26.680 --> 02:13:27.640 it wouldn't matter to. 2556 02:13:27.640 --> 02:13:29.520 You, which is why it does. 2557 02:13:29.680 --> 02:13:30.560 So I mean, I get that. 2558 02:13:31.680 --> 02:13:35.399 And also I come from the understanding all two that 2559 02:13:35.600 --> 02:13:38.279 you know, one person's grimoire is not everybody's grim war, 2560 02:13:39.119 --> 02:13:41.760 you know, just want to throw that out there, so 2561 02:13:42.119 --> 02:13:45.880 you know, it could be somebody looks up a spell 2562 02:13:46.199 --> 02:13:50.239 or a magic potion or something from a grimoire and 2563 02:13:50.279 --> 02:13:52.000 maybe it works for some people, maybe it doesn't work 2564 02:13:52.000 --> 02:13:56.960 for you. Everybody's different. So anyway, outside of that, it says, 2565 02:13:58.119 --> 02:13:59.640 so if you're planning to hold a seance in your 2566 02:13:59.640 --> 02:14:01.439 own home, you need a few like minded people and 2567 02:14:01.479 --> 02:14:05.439 a few vital supplies. When choosing participants, select people who 2568 02:14:05.520 --> 02:14:09.119 believe in the possibility of communicating with the dead. Skeptics 2569 02:14:09.159 --> 02:14:12.800 can harm the seances chances of success. And I will 2570 02:14:12.880 --> 02:14:16.039 say that's not the first time something like that has 2571 02:14:16.079 --> 02:14:18.520 been mentioned, right, Like I talked about the time that 2572 02:14:18.560 --> 02:14:20.359 I was out, you know, camping with the kids. We 2573 02:14:20.359 --> 02:14:22.960 saw a bunch of for a lack of a better term, 2574 02:14:23.039 --> 02:14:25.439 orbs up in the sky. Maybe they were fucking, I 2575 02:14:25.439 --> 02:14:28.640 don't know whatever, they were right, And I told my sister, hey, 2576 02:14:28.680 --> 02:14:31.720 come out and look at this. She said no. Eventually 2577 02:14:31.720 --> 02:14:33.079 she ended up going out to her car to go 2578 02:14:33.159 --> 02:14:35.560 charge her phone. She and whenever she came out because 2579 02:14:35.560 --> 02:14:38.000 she didn't believe. She said, I don't believe in that stuff. 2580 02:14:38.039 --> 02:14:40.520 I'm not even gonna look up because she didn't believe. 2581 02:14:40.720 --> 02:14:44.119 Whenever she was out there, nothing appeared. Whenever she went 2582 02:14:44.159 --> 02:14:46.640 back in the tent, they started appearing again. So there's 2583 02:14:46.680 --> 02:14:50.960 something really strange about everybody needing to be on board. 2584 02:14:51.319 --> 02:14:56.119 I mean, skeptical, fine, but absolute disbelief. It's not going 2585 02:14:56.159 --> 02:15:00.800 to work for one reason or another. Interesting And and also 2586 02:15:00.880 --> 02:15:03.640 Chris Bledsoe says this as well. So for anybody that 2587 02:15:03.680 --> 02:15:05.800 goes out there and does the sky watches with them, 2588 02:15:06.840 --> 02:15:10.159 if they have a night that they're not seeing something, 2589 02:15:10.439 --> 02:15:12.640 they're like, all right, who's the disbeliever? They just assume 2590 02:15:12.720 --> 02:15:18.520 that that's what it is. So anyway, so it says, 2591 02:15:18.640 --> 02:15:21.600 and because the experience can be intense, it is usually 2592 02:15:21.640 --> 02:15:23.640 best to keep young children out of the circle for 2593 02:15:23.640 --> 02:15:27.680 obvious reasons. Otherwise, all you need concerning supplies is a 2594 02:15:27.760 --> 02:15:31.520 round or oval table, a candle, and some food. Both 2595 02:15:31.520 --> 02:15:34.159 the candles and food are believed to attract spirits who 2596 02:15:34.199 --> 02:15:36.640 are looking for worms and sustenance. 2597 02:15:37.399 --> 02:15:39.279 So wait, what the fuck? 2598 02:15:39.279 --> 02:15:41.680 Okay, sure worms is in like the heat from the candle. 2599 02:15:41.720 --> 02:15:44.239 I guess not that. What the fuck is a ghost 2600 02:15:44.279 --> 02:15:45.279 he gonna do with food? 2601 02:15:45.680 --> 02:15:48.279 Can't take it with them? I don't know. Maybe it's 2602 02:15:48.880 --> 02:15:49.479 an offering. 2603 02:15:51.399 --> 02:15:53.520 Like that's why I stop myself. It's like, never mind. 2604 02:15:53.520 --> 02:15:55.399 If they say it's what you need to do, then fine, 2605 02:15:55.439 --> 02:15:57.399 I just I don't understand the reason, but I ain't 2606 02:15:57.439 --> 02:15:57.720 got to. 2607 02:15:58.000 --> 02:16:00.039 So I mean, hey, Santa needs his cookies. You know 2608 02:16:00.039 --> 02:16:02.279 what I'm saying. It's an offering. 2609 02:16:02.920 --> 02:16:04.880 You ever present Tulpa of Santa Claus? 2610 02:16:05.000 --> 02:16:09.439 Yes, yeah, buddy. So it says how to hold a sayance. 2611 02:16:09.479 --> 02:16:11.920 So once you got all that doesn't require much. Couple 2612 02:16:11.960 --> 02:16:15.880 of like minded believers, a candle, a table, some food, 2613 02:16:16.119 --> 02:16:19.000 you got it, that's all you need, right, It says, 2614 02:16:19.159 --> 02:16:21.880 so to hold a seance and increase the chances of 2615 02:16:21.920 --> 02:16:26.880 contacting a spirit, follow these steps and there's only fourteen 2616 02:16:26.920 --> 02:16:31.079 of them. So only fourteen but there they seem pretty easy. 2617 02:16:31.279 --> 02:16:33.120 So I mean, to be fair, it could be like 2618 02:16:33.200 --> 02:16:36.719 a one hundred page step by step guide. It's, you know, 2619 02:16:36.760 --> 02:16:39.399 fourteen steps releasing that bad in the grand scheme of shit. 2620 02:16:39.760 --> 02:16:42.639 I mean, I've I've carried through with a thousand steps 2621 02:16:42.680 --> 02:16:46.200 to build a fucking ikea chair before, right, Like fourteen 2622 02:16:46.239 --> 02:16:51.239 steps to contact the other side. All right, So number 2623 02:16:51.280 --> 02:16:54.399 one you need to assemble the participants gather the people 2624 02:16:54.399 --> 02:16:58.159 who will participate. Some say the number of participants must 2625 02:16:58.159 --> 02:17:01.120 be divisible by three, but this does not seem to 2626 02:17:01.120 --> 02:17:04.239 be an absolute role. No fewer than three people should 2627 02:17:04.319 --> 02:17:06.399 attempt a seance, So you need at least three, is 2628 02:17:06.399 --> 02:17:09.360 what they're saying, as it can be emotionally and physically 2629 02:17:09.440 --> 02:17:10.879 exhausting on a small group. 2630 02:17:11.559 --> 02:17:15.239 Interesting, I've heard stories of two being able to make 2631 02:17:15.280 --> 02:17:15.920 things happen. 2632 02:17:16.120 --> 02:17:18.399 I don't know that for a fact, but okay, for 2633 02:17:18.440 --> 02:17:22.479 a seance, I gyeah. 2634 02:17:21.559 --> 02:17:23.479 I mean yeah, they always say that like the more 2635 02:17:23.600 --> 02:17:25.280 the merrier when it comes to this kind of thing, 2636 02:17:25.319 --> 02:17:27.360 the more people around, the stronger it is, and all 2637 02:17:27.399 --> 02:17:30.479 these things. But like I sure was under the impression that, hell, 2638 02:17:30.520 --> 02:17:31.600 I thought you could do this solo. 2639 02:17:33.040 --> 02:17:36.319 Well, I mean what it That would probably just be 2640 02:17:36.440 --> 02:17:39.479 like a meditation or a spell at that point. 2641 02:17:39.959 --> 02:17:42.319 And no, if you're communicating with the dead but you're alone, 2642 02:17:42.959 --> 02:17:45.520 I figured that, like, that's like our boy who does 2643 02:17:45.520 --> 02:17:50.959 the sacrifices to the demons and shit, to my understanding, 2644 02:17:51.000 --> 02:17:51.879 he does this alone. 2645 02:17:53.360 --> 02:17:55.239 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, this is just this 2646 02:17:55.280 --> 02:17:56.520 is what it is, So I don't know. 2647 02:17:56.639 --> 02:17:58.719 Yeah, I'm not trying to argue with you on this. 2648 02:17:58.799 --> 02:18:01.639 It's just all right like that. Maybe I've never heard 2649 02:18:01.639 --> 02:18:04.200 that there was a number associated with this kind of thing. 2650 02:18:04.280 --> 02:18:06.639 Maybe it's called something else. If there's only one or 2651 02:18:06.639 --> 02:18:08.920 two people, and whenever you get three or more, it's 2652 02:18:08.959 --> 02:18:12.440 called a seance. Maybe it's something like that. Okay, So 2653 02:18:12.719 --> 02:18:15.159 then you would want to choose a medium, it says, 2654 02:18:15.280 --> 02:18:17.959 you might want to choose a medium among the participants. 2655 02:18:18.120 --> 02:18:21.040 This could be a person who has had experience with 2656 02:18:21.159 --> 02:18:24.520 seances or someone who has displayed that they've got psychicability. 2657 02:18:24.559 --> 02:18:27.639 So you need you know somebody who is who you 2658 02:18:27.719 --> 02:18:32.959 believe is the most capable of hearing messages or whatever. Right, 2659 02:18:33.639 --> 02:18:36.840 it says, then you would use a round or an 2660 02:18:36.840 --> 02:18:40.879 oval table. This helps create the symbolic circle believed necessary 2661 02:18:40.879 --> 02:18:44.280 for the ritual. A square or rectangle table would make 2662 02:18:44.319 --> 02:18:46.959 it more difficult to join hands, so that's why you 2663 02:18:47.000 --> 02:18:49.920 would need an oval or round table. Then you would 2664 02:18:49.920 --> 02:18:52.000 set the table in the center of the table, place 2665 02:18:52.079 --> 02:18:56.959 some simple and naturally aromaic or aromatic food such as 2666 02:18:57.040 --> 02:18:59.639 bread or soup. This is believed to help attract the 2667 02:18:59.680 --> 02:19:05.879 spirit who still seek physical nourishment. Oh interesting, Why would 2668 02:19:05.920 --> 02:19:09.360 a spirit that is detached from the physical realm. Okay, yep, 2669 02:19:09.680 --> 02:19:11.760 because the article here kind of like what I was 2670 02:19:11.760 --> 02:19:15.559 saying earlier, that these could be ghosts that like they 2671 02:19:15.600 --> 02:19:17.920 haven't given up on being physical. Maybe they got their 2672 02:19:17.959 --> 02:19:20.399 life taken away too soon and they don't even know 2673 02:19:20.440 --> 02:19:23.360 that they're dead or something like that. That's actually what I've 2674 02:19:23.360 --> 02:19:26.920 heard in the past is that typically some people don't 2675 02:19:26.920 --> 02:19:30.000 want to quote unquote crossover to the other side, right, 2676 02:19:30.040 --> 02:19:33.000 And so that's how you get ghosts, because you know 2677 02:19:34.200 --> 02:19:37.799 people who were addicted to drugs or alcohol or sex 2678 02:19:37.920 --> 02:19:42.520 or food or whatever physical things, right, And that's why 2679 02:19:42.559 --> 02:19:44.559 you would have spirits that don't want to cross over, 2680 02:19:44.559 --> 02:19:49.239 because they're still attached to those things allegedly. Okay, So 2681 02:19:49.719 --> 02:19:52.319 it says, then you would want to light the candles. 2682 02:19:52.639 --> 02:19:54.600 So also in the center of the table, place no 2683 02:19:54.760 --> 02:19:58.360 fewer than three candles, or a number divisible by three 2684 02:19:58.600 --> 02:20:03.120 lit candles. The more candles, the better. Spirits still seek 2685 02:20:03.280 --> 02:20:06.799 warmth and light, all right, So that's how you're gonna, 2686 02:20:07.040 --> 02:20:10.639 I guess attract them in. So it says, then you 2687 02:20:10.680 --> 02:20:13.360 want to create some atmosphere, dim the lights and eliminate 2688 02:20:13.399 --> 02:20:16.760 any distractions, turn off all music, and quiet the television. 2689 02:20:17.040 --> 02:20:19.840 Then you'd want to join hands, So seated around the table, 2690 02:20:20.120 --> 02:20:24.399 the participants must all join hands in a circle. Then 2691 02:20:24.719 --> 02:20:27.879 to some of the spirit, so the participants must speak 2692 02:20:28.040 --> 02:20:31.280 these words together, are beloved. Whatever the name of the 2693 02:20:31.280 --> 02:20:34.840 spirit is, we bring you gifts from life into death. 2694 02:20:35.040 --> 02:20:38.159 Commune with us name of the spirit, and move among us. 2695 02:20:39.120 --> 02:20:42.520 Oh spooky yeah. 2696 02:20:42.120 --> 02:20:44.239 Then you would. Then you would wait for a response. 2697 02:20:44.600 --> 02:20:48.600 If no response comes, repeat the chant until the spirit responds. 2698 02:20:49.159 --> 02:20:53.200 Then communicate. It says. If and when the spirit responds, 2699 02:20:53.280 --> 02:20:58.040 either by rapping or some other means through or through 2700 02:20:58.079 --> 02:21:01.120 the medium, ask your questions. So it doesn't have to 2701 02:21:01.159 --> 02:21:05.120 necessarily respond by a rapping. It could almost I don't 2702 02:21:05.159 --> 02:21:08.360 want to say channeling, but maybe that person would be 2703 02:21:08.399 --> 02:21:11.680 able to speak on behalf of the spirit. Whatever it 2704 02:21:11.760 --> 02:21:17.360 is what they're saying here. So then you would communicate. 2705 02:21:17.440 --> 02:21:19.840 And then you begin so ask the spirit yes or 2706 02:21:19.840 --> 02:21:22.840 no questions. At first, ask the spirit for one rap 2707 02:21:22.879 --> 02:21:26.280 to communicate no, and two raps to communicate yes. For example, 2708 02:21:26.719 --> 02:21:29.879 it says, if a spirit chooses to speak through the medium, 2709 02:21:29.920 --> 02:21:32.559 you may ask any kind of question. It says, if 2710 02:21:32.600 --> 02:21:34.959 the seance seems to be getting out of hand, end 2711 02:21:35.000 --> 02:21:38.600 the seance by breaking the circle of hands, extinguishing the candles, 2712 02:21:38.639 --> 02:21:41.799 and turning on the lights. And if you want to 2713 02:21:41.920 --> 02:21:43.799 end the seance, it says, when you're done with your 2714 02:21:43.840 --> 02:21:46.639 line of questioning, thank the spirit for joining you and 2715 02:21:46.680 --> 02:21:49.680 tell them to go in peace, break the circle of hands, 2716 02:21:49.719 --> 02:21:53.000 and extinguish the candles. So it says hosting a seance 2717 02:21:53.079 --> 02:21:57.159 can be an emotional yet satisfying experience when you're hosting 2718 02:21:57.399 --> 02:22:00.600 your meeting. When hosting your meeting, proceed with caution and 2719 02:22:00.680 --> 02:22:04.600 patience to get the best results. Damn, Jake, you want. 2720 02:22:04.440 --> 02:22:04.760 To try it? 2721 02:22:04.840 --> 02:22:05.079 Dude? 2722 02:22:06.200 --> 02:22:09.600 No, I really don't. I could I do? 2723 02:22:09.639 --> 02:22:12.040 You only like quote the verse to tell you not 2724 02:22:12.159 --> 02:22:17.479 to do this shit? Nah, just anybody wants. 2725 02:22:17.360 --> 02:22:17.879 To look it up. 2726 02:22:18.559 --> 02:22:23.040 Rules are for squares, Jacob, I disagree, respectfully. It's the 2727 02:22:23.079 --> 02:22:24.840 cult of fucking conspiracy. Baby. 2728 02:22:24.920 --> 02:22:28.639 We literally just read a list of rules on a seance. 2729 02:22:29.280 --> 02:22:31.920 Rules are for squares, this fucking guy. I mean the 2730 02:22:32.040 --> 02:22:33.799 rules are only for squares if you don't like them. 2731 02:22:34.360 --> 02:22:37.760 I mean some rules, I like, you know, some rules 2732 02:22:37.760 --> 02:22:43.920 are Okay. I'm not a complete renegade over here, So 2733 02:22:44.399 --> 02:22:48.639 all right, now we get to the craziness by Northrop 2734 02:22:48.719 --> 02:22:52.479 Grumming Okay, So if anybody is out there, you're saying, 2735 02:22:52.719 --> 02:22:55.280 there's no way a seance could be real. There's no 2736 02:22:55.360 --> 02:22:58.959 way of tulpa or you know, a thought form or 2737 02:22:59.120 --> 02:23:03.040 projected andation of myself or a ghost or anything exists. 2738 02:23:03.040 --> 02:23:06.479 I don't believe in that. Shit. Will fret not because 2739 02:23:06.559 --> 02:23:11.120 Northrop Grumming of the UH military Industrial Complex is here 2740 02:23:11.200 --> 02:23:15.479 to serve you. So it says, what is the difference 2741 02:23:15.520 --> 02:23:20.840 between psychokinesis and telekinesis? Just listen to this shit, okay, right, 2742 02:23:21.239 --> 02:23:24.719 So it is hitting on some things, but you're gonna 2743 02:23:24.760 --> 02:23:27.159 see how they try and persuade you at the end. 2744 02:23:27.520 --> 02:23:32.639 So it says the key takeaways, which we're not gonna 2745 02:23:32.639 --> 02:23:34.479 read that because we want to actually read the whole 2746 02:23:34.479 --> 02:23:36.079 thing and not just read the spark notes of it. 2747 02:23:36.319 --> 02:23:38.639 So it says, our psychic ability is the next step 2748 02:23:38.680 --> 02:23:42.760 on humans evolutionary path. Brain research says that this is 2749 02:23:42.799 --> 02:23:46.719 an unlikely outcome. Oh no shit coming from the military 2750 02:23:46.719 --> 02:23:49.840 industrial complex. The wants to be able to provide fucking 2751 02:23:49.920 --> 02:23:52.200 technology for you to be able to achieve that. But 2752 02:23:52.639 --> 02:23:55.040 it says, but it's all it's not all bad news. 2753 02:23:55.120 --> 02:23:59.079 Emerging technologies may pave the way for human telekinetic abilities, 2754 02:23:59.319 --> 02:24:04.680 which risingly are different than their close cousins psychokinetic powers. 2755 02:24:04.920 --> 02:24:07.559 Here's a look at how these two techniques differ, what 2756 02:24:07.680 --> 02:24:11.159 parapsychology has to say about human potential, and how tech 2757 02:24:11.239 --> 02:24:17.040 could make these powers possible. Okay, yeah, buddy, relying on 2758 02:24:17.079 --> 02:24:18.120 our tech overlords. 2759 02:24:19.280 --> 02:24:20.760 Obviously, that's obvious. 2760 02:24:21.000 --> 02:24:24.440 We need to We need more AI in our lives, clearly. 2761 02:24:24.840 --> 02:24:27.200 Yeah, I mean, look, who needs the hold a seance? 2762 02:24:27.600 --> 02:24:30.360 Just give me that brain chip, you know what I mean, like, 2763 02:24:30.440 --> 02:24:34.120 give me, give me a little bit. Pretty much the 2764 02:24:34.120 --> 02:24:35.120 same goddamn thing. 2765 02:24:35.280 --> 02:24:38.479 Interchangeable dialogue At this point I was also I misspoke 2766 02:24:38.479 --> 02:24:38.760 a moment. 2767 02:24:38.760 --> 02:24:40.799 It goes Deuteronomy eighteen. Anyway, moving on. 2768 02:24:41.360 --> 02:24:45.799 Moving on, So what is the difference between psychokinesis and telekinesis? 2769 02:24:45.799 --> 02:24:48.159 For starters, both rely on the power of your mind 2770 02:24:48.159 --> 02:24:50.959 to control the world around you. Where they differ, however, 2771 02:24:51.280 --> 02:24:54.520 is in what exactly your controlling Put simply, in the 2772 02:24:54.520 --> 02:24:59.440 case for psychokinesis, your powers influenced someone's mind to take action. 2773 02:24:59.760 --> 02:25:04.239 With telekinesis, you have the ability to manipulate objects directly. 2774 02:25:04.600 --> 02:25:07.079 Here's an example to highlight the difference. It's been a 2775 02:25:07.120 --> 02:25:09.040 long day, and you finally sit down on the couch 2776 02:25:09.079 --> 02:25:11.479 to relax with your partner and watch some TV. The 2777 02:25:11.479 --> 02:25:14.799 show you're watching ends, but you don't want to watch 2778 02:25:15.479 --> 02:25:18.920 what's showing next, And wouldn't you know it, the remote 2779 02:25:18.959 --> 02:25:20.360 is out of reach on the far side of your 2780 02:25:20.360 --> 02:25:22.920 coffee table. Sure, you could get up, walk all the 2781 02:25:22.959 --> 02:25:25.600 way over there, get the remote, and walk back, or 2782 02:25:25.799 --> 02:25:28.559 you could use your powers. If you've got psychokinesis, you 2783 02:25:28.600 --> 02:25:32.239 introduce a small suggestion into your partner's mind they should 2784 02:25:32.239 --> 02:25:34.200 get the remote, and while they're at it, they may 2785 02:25:34.200 --> 02:25:39.559 as well grab a snack. Yes, so hey, if you've 2786 02:25:39.559 --> 02:25:43.399 got telekinesis, your power lets you directly manipulate the remote, 2787 02:25:43.479 --> 02:25:46.120 levitating it off the table and into your hand. Then 2788 02:25:46.319 --> 02:25:48.719 you open the cupboard, bring out a bowl, fill it 2789 02:25:48.760 --> 02:25:50.760 with snacks, and gently float it over to the couch. 2790 02:25:50.959 --> 02:25:53.120 In both cases, the outcome is the same, but the 2791 02:25:53.200 --> 02:25:57.200 mental mechanism differs. That's kind of a crazy example, bud Well. 2792 02:25:57.120 --> 02:25:59.760 Well, I mean no, but that's what telekinesis is. 2793 02:26:00.319 --> 02:26:00.520 You know. 2794 02:26:00.639 --> 02:26:03.280 It's like Matilda shit, yeah exactly. 2795 02:26:02.959 --> 02:26:07.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So a parapsychology primer, so it says 2796 02:26:07.719 --> 02:26:11.719 parapsychology is the study of psychic powers and other extrasensory phenomena. 2797 02:26:11.760 --> 02:26:15.799 According to Psychology Today, efforts to scientifically assess the human 2798 02:26:15.799 --> 02:26:18.479 capacity for psychic powers began in the nineteen thirties at 2799 02:26:18.559 --> 02:26:22.399 Duke University with Joseph Banks Rhine. Along with his colleagues, 2800 02:26:22.479 --> 02:26:26.479 Ryan conducted experiments why with card guessing and dice rolling 2801 02:26:26.719 --> 02:26:28.920 to see if it was possible for people to predict 2802 02:26:29.200 --> 02:26:33.040 outcomes in advance. Common areas of areas of study of 2803 02:26:33.200 --> 02:26:40.600 para psycho psychologists sorry include precognition other like seeing the future, 2804 02:26:40.760 --> 02:26:44.360 telepathy which is communicating mind to mind, and clairvoyance, which 2805 02:26:44.399 --> 02:26:47.680 is the ability to perceive things happening in distant locations, 2806 02:26:47.719 --> 02:26:52.559 along with telekinesis and psychokinesis. Despite nearly a century of study, however, 2807 02:26:52.799 --> 02:26:56.399 parapsychologists remain largely empty handed when it comes to evidence. 2808 02:26:56.639 --> 02:26:59.719 According to Psychology Today, some studies, such as Daryl Bem's 2809 02:26:59.760 --> 02:27:03.520 ex expeeriments with word recall, suggests that people could feel 2810 02:27:03.559 --> 02:27:07.079 the future, but subsequent research could not replicate the results. 2811 02:27:07.360 --> 02:27:10.680 This is a consistent problem for the discipline. Although one 2812 02:27:10.719 --> 02:27:14.520 off experiments often show promising data, repeated trials under the 2813 02:27:14.520 --> 02:27:17.559 same conditions don't produce the same outcomes. Work on both 2814 02:27:17.559 --> 02:27:22.239 telekinesis and psychokinesis has delivered similarly underwhelming results. While body 2815 02:27:22.319 --> 02:27:26.239 language and emotional intelligence can help humans influence the minds 2816 02:27:26.239 --> 02:27:29.920 of other humans nearby, this fits firmly into regular psychology 2817 02:27:30.000 --> 02:27:33.280 rather than parapsychology when it comes to moving objects with 2818 02:27:33.360 --> 02:27:37.120 our minds. Meanwhile, supposed magicians such as Uri Geller spent 2819 02:27:37.200 --> 02:27:40.000 decades trying to convince audiences that he could bend spoons 2820 02:27:40.040 --> 02:27:43.440 with his mind. Spoiler alert, he could not, so, he says, 2821 02:27:43.600 --> 02:27:47.360 so they say. A piece from Medium points out that 2822 02:27:47.399 --> 02:27:50.280 our thoughts themselves can be considered telekinetic, and that the 2823 02:27:50.319 --> 02:27:53.799 activation of neurons causes them to move. Since these neurons 2824 02:27:53.799 --> 02:27:57.000 have mass, they affect other pieces of matter in your brain, 2825 02:27:57.360 --> 02:28:01.399 meaning you've effectively moved something within in your mind. Okay, 2826 02:28:02.840 --> 02:28:06.040 but you see how like we just gave a huge example, 2827 02:28:06.040 --> 02:28:09.479 whether you believe it or not, and this you can 2828 02:28:09.559 --> 02:28:11.399 kind of tell where this is starting to go, right, 2829 02:28:11.520 --> 02:28:14.719 Like the idea is we want to diminish the idea 2830 02:28:14.760 --> 02:28:17.200 that you can achieve this on your own so much 2831 02:28:17.280 --> 02:28:20.280 so that we can sell you on you know, kind 2832 02:28:20.360 --> 02:28:24.280 of like turning you into some kind of robot with 2833 02:28:24.319 --> 02:28:26.440 some kind of technology that you can you know, that 2834 02:28:26.520 --> 02:28:29.120 you can wear or put inside your body. Like this 2835 02:28:29.280 --> 02:28:32.440 is how you sell something, right, Like the idea is 2836 02:28:32.440 --> 02:28:34.639 is that, hey, you know what, I see that you 2837 02:28:34.760 --> 02:28:38.000 got a I don't know, maybe I'm a car salesman, right, 2838 02:28:38.360 --> 02:28:40.159 Like you come over and yeah, I see that you 2839 02:28:40.200 --> 02:28:42.319 want that Honda Cord. But have you checked out this 2840 02:28:42.399 --> 02:28:45.360 fucking Lambeau? I mean, how many RPMs you think that 2841 02:28:45.399 --> 02:28:48.280 Honda Core can get up? How fast? In zero to 2842 02:28:48.360 --> 02:28:51.159 sixty do you think that Honda Core can get up? Oh? 2843 02:28:51.200 --> 02:28:53.520 It can? It can? It can reach sixty miles an 2844 02:28:53.520 --> 02:28:56.479 hour and six seconds. That's cute. This Lambeau can do 2845 02:28:56.520 --> 02:28:58.920 it in two and a half or something like that. Right, 2846 02:28:58.959 --> 02:29:02.239 It's like it's diminishing the other side to help prop 2847 02:29:02.360 --> 02:29:04.479 up what they have is what I think is going 2848 02:29:04.520 --> 02:29:10.479 on here. So oh, here we go. So telekinesis goes 2849 02:29:10.600 --> 02:29:14.760 tech It says, while there's no evidence for parapowered telekinesis, 2850 02:29:14.920 --> 02:29:17.360 technology offers a way to make the dream of moving 2851 02:29:17.399 --> 02:29:21.920 things with our minds a reality, known as brain computer interfaces. 2852 02:29:22.319 --> 02:29:27.680 BCI's Baby Scientific American explains that this tech relies on 2853 02:29:27.920 --> 02:29:33.200 grids of electrodes implanted into the brains cortex. More chips 2854 02:29:33.200 --> 02:29:33.959 going in ready. 2855 02:29:33.840 --> 02:29:34.479 To your head. 2856 02:29:35.200 --> 02:29:39.280 Terrifying, But okay, I mean this is fucking Elon. Well, 2857 02:29:39.559 --> 02:29:43.120 Elon produces something similar, at least I'm a fan of it. 2858 02:29:43.639 --> 02:29:46.520 Me neither, I would never get that shit. So these 2859 02:29:46.559 --> 02:29:50.399 electrodes record the behavior of neurons as they fire, and 2860 02:29:50.440 --> 02:29:54.639 then translate this neuron behavior into thoughts and actions. And 2861 02:29:54.680 --> 02:29:58.360 this isn't just speculation. Bcies allow patients to interact with 2862 02:29:58.479 --> 02:30:04.079 software applications or move prosthetic devices. New research from Caltech 2863 02:30:04.200 --> 02:30:08.920 shows that advanced bcies can predict a patient's inner internal monologue. 2864 02:30:10.000 --> 02:30:14.879 It can predict the internal monologue. Holy shit. So you 2865 02:30:14.959 --> 02:30:18.159 have sixty thousand thoughts in a day, brother, this shit 2866 02:30:18.239 --> 02:30:19.399 can read every single one. 2867 02:30:19.319 --> 02:30:19.840 Of them. 2868 02:30:21.200 --> 02:30:23.760 And predict you, predict what you're about to think before 2869 02:30:23.799 --> 02:30:24.280 you think it. 2870 02:30:25.159 --> 02:30:27.959 I mean, you no longer have any sovereignty anymore. There's 2871 02:30:28.000 --> 02:30:30.239 no more free will of anything you're now being. You're 2872 02:30:30.239 --> 02:30:33.959 a controlled, fucking robotic puppet. 2873 02:30:34.760 --> 02:30:34.920 Man. 2874 02:30:34.959 --> 02:30:37.639 This is some black mirrorshit. This is black mirrate is, 2875 02:30:38.520 --> 02:30:40.079 in my opinion, black magic shit. 2876 02:30:40.159 --> 02:30:44.399 But yeah, yeah, for I mean, I would say even worse. 2877 02:30:44.920 --> 02:30:48.319 I mean, you ain't got to rely on a wish 2878 02:30:48.360 --> 02:30:50.239 and a hope and a dream and a faith. I 2879 02:30:50.239 --> 02:30:53.360 mean they got the fucking device. It's working every time, baby. 2880 02:30:55.159 --> 02:30:59.600 So yeah. It says that bcies can predict a patient's 2881 02:30:59.639 --> 02:31:03.600 internal monologue, the things that we think but don't say, 2882 02:31:03.639 --> 02:31:07.319 with a high degree of accuracy, which could help develop 2883 02:31:07.399 --> 02:31:12.559 devices that let non vocal patients speak. Oh see, this 2884 02:31:12.639 --> 02:31:14.680 is what they always do. They make it like. 2885 02:31:15.040 --> 02:31:15.280 See. 2886 02:31:15.319 --> 02:31:19.639 It helped this paralyzed person. It helped a deaf person. Here, 2887 02:31:19.680 --> 02:31:22.760 it helped the blind person. See right, It helped this 2888 02:31:22.840 --> 02:31:25.840 person with no leg have a legged walk. Let them 2889 02:31:25.840 --> 02:31:28.760 feel normal. This is they pull out your heart strings, right. 2890 02:31:29.559 --> 02:31:34.120 This how they pass it at first. So moving on, 2891 02:31:34.840 --> 02:31:37.600 It's worth noting that BCIs are a work in progress. 2892 02:31:37.879 --> 02:31:41.639 Consider that currently accurate BCI readings rely on cutting a 2893 02:31:41.680 --> 02:31:46.479 portion of the skull to implant electrodes. Efforts are underway, however, 2894 02:31:46.600 --> 02:31:51.719 to produce non invasive alternative alternatives capable of collecting brain 2895 02:31:51.840 --> 02:31:56.000 data through layered materials such as skin or hair. There 2896 02:31:56.000 --> 02:31:59.479 are also concerns about the impact of BCI development on 2897 02:31:59.559 --> 02:32:03.879 human behind at scale. Oh my god, they want to 2898 02:32:03.920 --> 02:32:07.760 do it to everybody. Yep, fuck yes, this. 2899 02:32:07.639 --> 02:32:10.760 Is this is this is the future that they want 2900 02:32:10.799 --> 02:32:13.159 for you. This is the transhumanism that they're after. And no, 2901 02:32:13.239 --> 02:32:16.440 we don't mean trans is in like trannies. They mean 2902 02:32:16.479 --> 02:32:18.440 trans is in. Like, oh, well, you got a little 2903 02:32:18.440 --> 02:32:20.520 bit of robot in you, a little bit of human 2904 02:32:20.559 --> 02:32:23.360 in you, and we could upload your consciousness into the 2905 02:32:23.399 --> 02:32:26.319 Internet and you'll live forever. Fuck all of that, dude, 2906 02:32:27.000 --> 02:32:29.520 I'm out, count me out. Fuck living forever too, Like 2907 02:32:29.760 --> 02:32:32.200 this body wasn't meant to last forever. This thing has 2908 02:32:32.200 --> 02:32:34.319 a heartbeat. Like I was having this conversation with my 2909 02:32:34.360 --> 02:32:36.760 son the other day, like, your heart is only good 2910 02:32:36.799 --> 02:32:39.639 for so many beats. Yeah, okay, it's like a motor 2911 02:32:39.799 --> 02:32:42.280 is only good for so many miles. Sure you could 2912 02:32:42.280 --> 02:32:44.360 do a whole engine swap at some point, but that 2913 02:32:44.559 --> 02:32:46.879 then you have to start swapping other components to match 2914 02:32:46.879 --> 02:32:49.440 the new motor. And it's just look, everything is going 2915 02:32:49.479 --> 02:32:52.079 to die eventually. That's how this whole thing is built. 2916 02:32:52.079 --> 02:32:53.200 That's the whole purpose. 2917 02:32:53.360 --> 02:32:55.760 And if you're lucky enough, you do get every beat 2918 02:32:55.760 --> 02:32:58.920 out of that heart, right, Like that's that's the ultimate goal, 2919 02:32:59.040 --> 02:33:01.040 is to to die of old age or maybe in 2920 02:33:01.079 --> 02:33:04.559 your sleep or of natural causes. Right, But what this 2921 02:33:04.719 --> 02:33:07.840 is saying, Well, it's not saying that you can live forever. 2922 02:33:07.920 --> 02:33:11.280 It's not saying that rate on this article, but it 2923 02:33:11.399 --> 02:33:16.120 is definitely alluding to potential moving forward. 2924 02:33:16.399 --> 02:33:17.159 Right yeah. 2925 02:33:17.280 --> 02:33:20.680 Yeah, So it says while existing frameworks are highly specialized 2926 02:33:20.719 --> 02:33:26.040 and training out and training algorithm models take years, mass 2927 02:33:26.079 --> 02:33:30.600 produced alternatives can could make limited telekinesis an option for 2928 02:33:30.719 --> 02:33:35.639 almost anyone. Tell a fucking kinesis with a brain chip 2929 02:33:35.760 --> 02:33:38.559 in your skull or on your hair or on your skin, 2930 02:33:39.120 --> 02:33:43.000 to where now you can send a thought. I could 2931 02:33:43.040 --> 02:33:44.879 send a thought without having to speak to. 2932 02:33:44.840 --> 02:33:48.120 You, So like I could send you a text message 2933 02:33:48.159 --> 02:33:48.920 by thinking it. 2934 02:33:50.239 --> 02:33:51.760 And sending it. You don't even need to send a 2935 02:33:51.760 --> 02:33:54.639 text message. You send whatever you would send in a 2936 02:33:54.680 --> 02:33:57.799 text message via thought, and I receive it via thought. 2937 02:33:57.920 --> 02:33:58.920 That's telekinesis. 2938 02:33:59.479 --> 02:34:01.879 Well, they're they're saying limited, you know what I mean. 2939 02:34:01.920 --> 02:34:04.399 So I don't know if they're saying, like, Okay, this 2940 02:34:04.600 --> 02:34:08.479 chip in your brain will be uh, let's see compatible 2941 02:34:08.520 --> 02:34:15.200 with all Apple iOS devices and maybe you know Samsung 2942 02:34:15.239 --> 02:34:17.920 and Amazon and shit too, maybe to where it would 2943 02:34:18.000 --> 02:34:22.600 be a thought to text conversion or something along these 2944 02:34:22.639 --> 02:34:25.159 lines because not everybody's gonna get the chip, and maybe 2945 02:34:25.159 --> 02:34:28.520 you want to send a grocery list to your wife 2946 02:34:28.600 --> 02:34:30.440 at the store, or she wants to send it to 2947 02:34:30.479 --> 02:34:32.879 you while you're at the store, and she's thinking of damn, 2948 02:34:32.959 --> 02:34:35.000 we forgot to get toilet paper. Next thing you know, 2949 02:34:35.000 --> 02:34:38.319 you're getting a little on your phone grab toilet paper. 2950 02:34:38.360 --> 02:34:40.280 It's like, oh shit, okay, I forgot all about that. 2951 02:34:40.600 --> 02:34:42.959 And then she's like, oh, I didn't even text you that. No, 2952 02:34:43.079 --> 02:34:45.719 but your neurallink sent me the message. Oh that's cool. 2953 02:34:45.959 --> 02:34:47.600 Like I could see them trying to make it seem 2954 02:34:47.639 --> 02:34:48.479 like it's convenience. 2955 02:34:48.639 --> 02:34:53.760 Oh, one hundred people fall for convenience every time, every time. 2956 02:34:53.879 --> 02:34:55.799 We are suckers for convenience. 2957 02:34:56.479 --> 02:34:59.840 Humans are lazy creatures by nature, you know, I get it. 2958 02:35:00.040 --> 02:35:05.639 We would rather do nothing, absolutely absolutely, Yeah, dude, So 2959 02:35:06.000 --> 02:35:09.239 it's going to get crazier. Let's read on. In an 2960 02:35:09.319 --> 02:35:13.799 article for The Conversation, which I guess is a newspaper 2961 02:35:13.920 --> 02:35:17.639 or something like that, philosophers John Kendall Hawkins and Sandy 2962 02:35:17.680 --> 02:35:21.760 bouchet Or Butcher of the University of New England discussed 2963 02:35:21.760 --> 02:35:26.360 the emergence of the list wait for it technological singularity, 2964 02:35:26.719 --> 02:35:31.959 which sees AI technology and humans irrevocably intertwined. 2965 02:35:34.479 --> 02:35:35.760 Yeah, I bet they do. 2966 02:35:36.319 --> 02:35:39.559 They contend that BCIs could be the first step on 2967 02:35:39.639 --> 02:35:44.200 the road to this singularity, in that there's no going back. 2968 02:35:45.319 --> 02:35:48.879 I agree. I agree with that second part of that sentence. 2969 02:35:49.479 --> 02:35:52.200 But you know, we could in fact, just like not 2970 02:35:52.360 --> 02:35:54.760 fucking do this and then we don't. 2971 02:35:54.559 --> 02:35:56.719 Have to worry about it. It's totally an option too. 2972 02:35:56.799 --> 02:35:58.920 I agree to see. Wouldn't you rather just people do 2973 02:35:59.000 --> 02:36:02.520 fucking spells and seances rather than this fucking advanced bullshit 2974 02:36:02.559 --> 02:36:05.840 in which they entrap and train everybody? 2975 02:36:06.639 --> 02:36:08.520 Do I have to choose between one of these two 2976 02:36:08.559 --> 02:36:09.399 fucking options? 2977 02:36:09.799 --> 02:36:12.280 Just be normal people, just saying if you had to pick, 2978 02:36:12.360 --> 02:36:15.559 you'd pick not the latter, right, I. 2979 02:36:15.799 --> 02:36:18.399 Wouldn't pick the seance option, But I also wouldn't pick 2980 02:36:18.440 --> 02:36:18.959 this option. 2981 02:36:19.319 --> 02:36:19.600 Fuck. 2982 02:36:19.760 --> 02:36:21.760 I honestly didn't know that this would be my only 2983 02:36:21.799 --> 02:36:23.120 two options moving forward. 2984 02:36:23.159 --> 02:36:26.319 Hey, at least the people that are performing seances are 2985 02:36:26.360 --> 02:36:29.559 not government controlled robotic puppets. 2986 02:36:30.840 --> 02:36:31.879 I mean that's fair. 2987 02:36:32.520 --> 02:36:37.559 At least the lily talking with evil demonic forces and things, 2988 02:36:37.559 --> 02:36:38.280 and that's not good. 2989 02:36:38.399 --> 02:36:39.559 Well, you can't say absolutely. 2990 02:36:40.319 --> 02:36:42.079 I mean, for my beliefs, for your beliefs. 2991 02:36:42.120 --> 02:36:45.879 Yeah, so anyway, it says, to sum up, while there's 2992 02:36:45.920 --> 02:36:50.799 no evidence for latent psychic abilities that empower psycho or telekinesis, 2993 02:36:51.079 --> 02:36:54.040 new technologies may offer a way for human minds to 2994 02:36:54.079 --> 02:36:58.000 connect with and control the world around us. Doesn't that 2995 02:36:58.040 --> 02:37:00.799 sound nice? You know, A big shout out to orthrope grumming, 2996 02:37:00.959 --> 02:37:04.319 big shout out to the military industrial fucking complex. They 2997 02:37:04.319 --> 02:37:06.040 only want what's best for you, Jacob. 2998 02:37:06.520 --> 02:37:11.639 Okay, it sounds the most dystopic, like, holy fuck, No, 2999 02:37:11.879 --> 02:37:13.639 big brother, doesn't you have to watch you anymore. 3000 02:37:13.920 --> 02:37:15.760 Big Brother knows what you're about to think before you 3001 02:37:15.799 --> 02:37:16.360 even think it. 3002 02:37:17.079 --> 02:37:19.159 Big Brother gave you that thought. 3003 02:37:19.680 --> 02:37:22.680 Broh, What the fuck are we talking about right now? 3004 02:37:23.000 --> 02:37:26.159 Yeah? Well, and let me tell you a little something extra. 3005 02:37:26.319 --> 02:37:28.120 I think that you don't even need a chip in 3006 02:37:28.159 --> 02:37:30.120 your brain for them to be able to control or 3007 02:37:30.159 --> 02:37:32.639 at least send you some thoughts if you really look 3008 02:37:32.680 --> 02:37:35.680 into you know, some of the beliefs behind the five 3009 02:37:35.799 --> 02:37:39.319 G or the coming six G towers. I mean, you're 3010 02:37:39.360 --> 02:37:43.159 talking about sending short wave I don't even know what 3011 02:37:43.159 --> 02:37:46.879 they're called, short wave little energy forms or something like that, 3012 02:37:47.280 --> 02:37:53.360 literally to everybody, and they're they're very disruptive to the 3013 02:37:53.360 --> 02:37:58.200 the energy and the physical body of the human right. 3014 02:37:58.440 --> 02:38:01.000 This is why people talk about like, oh, they're they're 3015 02:38:01.040 --> 02:38:03.360 sending me thoughts and I'm having thoughts I don't want 3016 02:38:03.360 --> 02:38:05.879 to have, or I'm feeling this way. I didn't even 3017 02:38:05.920 --> 02:38:08.000 need anything bad or you know what I mean, like 3018 02:38:08.360 --> 02:38:10.600 weird shit. And and those people that are saying that 3019 02:38:10.719 --> 02:38:13.600 sound crazy right now, they do. They do sound crazy 3020 02:38:13.680 --> 02:38:16.719 right now. Wait till it's happening on mass then who's 3021 02:38:16.719 --> 02:38:17.399 gonna be crazy? 3022 02:38:17.719 --> 02:38:17.920 You know? 3023 02:38:18.879 --> 02:38:21.840 So, I don't know. It could be a hair bang conspiracy. 3024 02:38:22.159 --> 02:38:25.440 But what I am saying is is that big tech 3025 02:38:26.159 --> 02:38:31.040 absolutely is looking to enslave humanity through the use of convenience, 3026 02:38:31.920 --> 02:38:34.760 through the use of AI exactly. 3027 02:38:35.079 --> 02:38:38.559 So for everybody who thinks that AI is not a threat, yeah, 3028 02:38:38.639 --> 02:38:41.680 it may not be a threat right now as of 3029 02:38:41.760 --> 02:38:45.440 October of twenty twenty five, give it another six months, 3030 02:38:45.920 --> 02:38:50.040 year five ten, it's not going to get. 3031 02:38:49.879 --> 02:38:53.600 Better, oh one hundred percent. Yeah, Like, and I use 3032 02:38:53.680 --> 02:38:54.600 AI like. 3033 02:38:54.799 --> 02:38:58.239 I know it fucking kills me, Jonathan, and the way 3034 02:38:58.280 --> 02:39:00.239 that I'm mean it might end up killing you other 3035 02:39:00.959 --> 02:39:01.799 what we're talking. 3036 02:39:01.719 --> 02:39:04.399 Don't get too crazy. The aim that's what we just 3037 02:39:04.479 --> 02:39:08.559 talked about. There are various forms of AI, just like 3038 02:39:08.639 --> 02:39:11.120 there's various forms of fire. You can light a lighter, 3039 02:39:11.239 --> 02:39:14.799 you can light a match, or you can fucking you know, uh, 3040 02:39:15.200 --> 02:39:18.159 I don't know, fucking bomb an entire country with fire, 3041 02:39:18.360 --> 02:39:20.959 right Like, there's different levels to this ship and the 3042 02:39:21.000 --> 02:39:25.440 way that most people are communicating and you know, using AI. 3043 02:39:25.840 --> 02:39:28.799 It is not to the level of which the military 3044 02:39:28.799 --> 02:39:31.239 industrial complex and the powers that be are going to 3045 02:39:31.319 --> 02:39:35.079 use it. However, Yeah, there's a big However. The however 3046 02:39:35.319 --> 02:39:37.959 is is that I know without a shadow of a 3047 02:39:38.000 --> 02:39:41.520 doubt that they are absolutely collecting data on all of it. 3048 02:39:41.719 --> 02:39:44.319 There's they would be dumb if they're not. Right, there 3049 02:39:44.319 --> 02:39:47.440 are huge data farms that are that are in Texas 3050 02:39:47.520 --> 02:39:49.600 right now as we speak. Right, you know, we talked 3051 02:39:49.600 --> 02:39:53.079 about uh what was it called Oracle, right, the the 3052 02:39:53.079 --> 02:39:56.280 one that that's the one that's in uh in Texas, 3053 02:39:56.360 --> 02:39:59.120 the one that is running your algorithms for TikTok and 3054 02:39:59.200 --> 02:40:02.440 Facebook and in and everything like that. So that now 3055 02:40:02.719 --> 02:40:05.879 the United States is in control of the algorithm that 3056 02:40:05.920 --> 02:40:09.280 you get. And so if you're wondering, man, why is 3057 02:40:09.360 --> 02:40:13.239 TikTok so whack today? Why is Instagram suggesting this. Why 3058 02:40:13.319 --> 02:40:16.239 is YouTube, you know, trying to show me things that 3059 02:40:16.280 --> 02:40:19.319 I've never even thought about? Right, what's the algorithm that 3060 02:40:19.440 --> 02:40:23.639 is being literally created by our government? This is the 3061 02:40:23.799 --> 02:40:26.799 plain Larry Ellison, fucking Larry Ellison. 3062 02:40:26.920 --> 02:40:30.280 Yes, God, my TikTok scrolling is just ass today, thanks 3063 02:40:30.319 --> 02:40:31.239 a lot, Ellison. 3064 02:40:31.399 --> 02:40:35.120 Basically yeah, yeah, and some people have tried to figure 3065 02:40:35.360 --> 02:40:38.680 a workaround around that. I don't think there is one. 3066 02:40:38.719 --> 02:40:39.239 There isn't. 3067 02:40:39.760 --> 02:40:42.040 So, yeah, it's not just TikTok, it's all of them. 3068 02:40:42.079 --> 02:40:44.479 I mean, whatever you are looking at on your phone, 3069 02:40:44.520 --> 02:40:46.840 they are collecting data off of It doesn't even need 3070 02:40:46.879 --> 02:40:49.159 to be Chat, GBT or grock or any of that. 3071 02:40:49.319 --> 02:40:52.520 These are all different companies that are collecting your data. 3072 02:40:52.520 --> 02:40:55.840 They are data collection fucking centers, right, just like just 3073 02:40:55.920 --> 02:40:59.239 like Safari Not Safari, but just like Duck Duck Go, 3074 02:40:59.719 --> 02:41:03.479 and just like Google and if ask Jeeves is still 3075 02:41:03.520 --> 02:41:06.520 around whatever, right, like they're all in SuPAR. Yeah, it's 3076 02:41:06.639 --> 02:41:08.719 it's all data farming, is my point. 3077 02:41:08.760 --> 02:41:09.360 That's my point. 3078 02:41:09.360 --> 02:41:09.479 Though. 3079 02:41:09.520 --> 02:41:11.399 You're saying that this isn't to the level that we're 3080 02:41:11.399 --> 02:41:13.479 talking about with the military industrial complex and all these 3081 02:41:13.520 --> 02:41:17.920 things yet, but it will be and so many people 3082 02:41:18.000 --> 02:41:20.120 have lost the sense of how to do research on 3083 02:41:20.120 --> 02:41:22.159 their own or how to find information now on their own. 3084 02:41:22.600 --> 02:41:25.639 It's like even even if you look in college these days, 3085 02:41:26.040 --> 02:41:29.000 it used to be that you would copy and paste 3086 02:41:29.239 --> 02:41:31.479 someone else's work and change a couple of words here 3087 02:41:31.479 --> 02:41:34.040 and there and plagarize it that way. Kids these days 3088 02:41:34.079 --> 02:41:36.760 are just doing AI prompts and that's how they're writing 3089 02:41:36.760 --> 02:41:39.559 their essays and shit. And it's like they're not even now, 3090 02:41:39.559 --> 02:41:41.680 I'm not saying that every single essay is going to 3091 02:41:41.760 --> 02:41:44.360 be critical to their education and all that. Most of 3092 02:41:44.399 --> 02:41:46.159 these kids are getting degrees and shit that they're not 3093 02:41:46.159 --> 02:41:48.239 even gonna use like let's let's just be real here, 3094 02:41:48.280 --> 02:41:52.120 and I get that, but now take that to the macro. Right, 3095 02:41:52.479 --> 02:41:58.000 They're gonna have doctors eventually, real shit, who actually didn't 3096 02:41:58.040 --> 02:42:01.159 retain any knowledge from their medical school. It's just okay, 3097 02:42:01.239 --> 02:42:03.239 you're gonna come in with a list of symptoms and 3098 02:42:03.280 --> 02:42:05.760 this happened. They're gonna plug it into an AI prompt 3099 02:42:05.959 --> 02:42:07.879 and the AI prompts gonna tell them what to do. 3100 02:42:08.719 --> 02:42:11.040 Dude, I don't know who you like, let me tell 3101 02:42:11.079 --> 02:42:15.360 you something. They're already doing that without AI, Like every 3102 02:42:15.399 --> 02:42:17.319 time I've gone to the doctor, which I have not 3103 02:42:17.479 --> 02:42:20.159 gone very often over the last ten years because I 3104 02:42:20.319 --> 02:42:23.799 refuse to get any kind of insurance outside of car 3105 02:42:23.840 --> 02:42:27.520 insurance only because I have to. But every time I've 3106 02:42:27.559 --> 02:42:29.879 gone to the doctor and they're looking up a symptom 3107 02:42:29.920 --> 02:42:33.159 for this, or why is it like this? Dude, they 3108 02:42:33.200 --> 02:42:36.000 go on their fucking computer and google it. Like them 3109 02:42:36.040 --> 02:42:38.559 inserting it into AI is just an advanced form of 3110 02:42:38.559 --> 02:42:41.360 what they're already doing, most of them, but most of 3111 02:42:41.399 --> 02:42:47.239 them are. It's too much information for them to remember everything. 3112 02:42:47.280 --> 02:42:49.920 It's not like Gray's an atom or or your fucking 3113 02:42:49.959 --> 02:42:52.479 doctor house, Oh you have this kind of itch? Did 3114 02:42:52.520 --> 02:42:54.440 you drink that? Or did you come in contact? Like 3115 02:42:54.639 --> 02:42:56.520 not everybody's a fucking genius, so they got to look 3116 02:42:56.520 --> 02:42:57.600 it all up, right. 3117 02:42:57.639 --> 02:43:00.920 And what I'm standing is to be if anybody is 3118 02:43:00.920 --> 02:43:02.840 gonna be the genius, I needed to be the doctors. 3119 02:43:02.840 --> 02:43:05.440 But no, I'm not against them doing online research for 3120 02:43:05.520 --> 02:43:08.639 so especially obscure shit that you know you may only 3121 02:43:08.639 --> 02:43:11.200 see three of these cases in your entire medical career. 3122 02:43:11.280 --> 02:43:12.079 You know, I get that. 3123 02:43:12.639 --> 02:43:15.799 And again, AI, as of this moment that we're having 3124 02:43:15.879 --> 02:43:18.959 this conversation isn't a threat, but what's it going to 3125 02:43:19.000 --> 02:43:21.399 be in ten years. Whenever the AI is giving them 3126 02:43:21.440 --> 02:43:23.079 prompts to kill the person. 3127 02:43:24.559 --> 02:43:29.840 I mean, hopefully they will not abide. I mean literally, 3128 02:43:29.879 --> 02:43:33.559 it's it's within like you know, do thou shall not 3129 02:43:33.799 --> 02:43:37.239 fucking hurt or whatever the fuck the Oh they're hippocratic oath. 3130 02:43:37.319 --> 02:43:38.040 Hippocratic oath. 3131 02:43:38.120 --> 02:43:43.959 Yeah, yeah, because yeah, that's a thing. 3132 02:43:44.079 --> 02:43:48.520 I mean, look, already the leading reason for most deaths 3133 02:43:48.559 --> 02:43:51.200 in America is medical malpractice. 3134 02:43:51.280 --> 02:43:54.079 Right, yeah, but I mean we have other governments that 3135 02:43:54.120 --> 02:43:58.360 are currently right now helping people commit suicide, like real shit, 3136 02:43:58.520 --> 02:44:00.319 And you could go to an AI prompt then it 3137 02:44:00.319 --> 02:44:02.159 will just show you how to do it and give 3138 02:44:02.200 --> 02:44:04.000 you options on how to do it and. 3139 02:44:04.000 --> 02:44:05.799 Not like this is this is the way that they 3140 02:44:05.840 --> 02:44:06.719 wanted to go down. 3141 02:44:07.280 --> 02:44:11.159 Hey, look, just to give you my perception of AI, 3142 02:44:11.799 --> 02:44:14.799 AI is advanced Internet. That's all it is. 3143 02:44:15.159 --> 02:44:17.760 Bro hold on, we were just talking about the dangers 3144 02:44:17.760 --> 02:44:20.399 of AI with the military natural complex, and now you're 3145 02:44:20.440 --> 02:44:21.159 defending it. 3146 02:44:21.360 --> 02:44:23.079 No, no, no, no, you won't have your cake and eat 3147 02:44:23.079 --> 02:44:25.600 it too. What I'm saying it is the natural evolution 3148 02:44:25.840 --> 02:44:26.600 of the Internet. 3149 02:44:27.879 --> 02:44:28.680 I disagree. 3150 02:44:29.000 --> 02:44:31.399 AI couldn't have been created without the Internet, not without 3151 02:44:31.440 --> 02:44:33.799 all the collection that it datted via that it that 3152 02:44:33.879 --> 02:44:37.200 it gathered via the internet, like it it takes the 3153 02:44:37.280 --> 02:44:38.559 Internet to do these things. 3154 02:44:39.040 --> 02:44:42.079 Once again, the Terminator Movies were talking about this quite 3155 02:44:42.079 --> 02:44:42.840 a while back. 3156 02:44:43.879 --> 02:44:47.399 I mean, obviously that's the worst possible case, right Like. 3157 02:44:47.520 --> 02:44:49.639 I see it as an inevitability at this point. 3158 02:44:49.600 --> 02:44:52.399 It's very possible. I'm not even sitting here trying to 3159 02:44:52.399 --> 02:44:55.319 defend AI. I don't need to defend it or you know, 3160 02:44:55.760 --> 02:44:58.239 be on its side or you know, or anything like that. 3161 02:44:58.360 --> 02:44:59.840 I think that what's going to come is going to 3162 02:44:59.879 --> 02:45:04.559 be inevitable, and it doesn't regardless of what I believe 3163 02:45:04.600 --> 02:45:06.520 it's going to be. All I'm saying is is that, 3164 02:45:07.079 --> 02:45:10.360 I mean, hey, I is doing decent. It's not doing 3165 02:45:10.479 --> 02:45:14.639 terribly horrific things just yet. But I will also say, 3166 02:45:14.959 --> 02:45:17.920 maybe we just are not privy to everything that it 3167 02:45:18.159 --> 02:45:20.719 is doing yet. And eventually it will come out as 3168 02:45:20.760 --> 02:45:23.280 to what they're even using. Even the baby form of 3169 02:45:23.760 --> 02:45:26.959 what it is right now, compare it to what is 3170 02:45:27.040 --> 02:45:29.719 going on five years from now, people will look back 3171 02:45:29.760 --> 02:45:31.959 and say, man, that's probably a fire we should have 3172 02:45:32.040 --> 02:45:34.360 never lit. Most people will will say that, and I 3173 02:45:34.360 --> 02:45:38.000 will agree with that. But right now and it's infant stages. 3174 02:45:38.040 --> 02:45:40.520 I'm having fun with it. People are creating like funny 3175 02:45:40.600 --> 02:45:43.840 videos with it. Shout out to the Big Grimbowski. He 3176 02:45:43.920 --> 02:45:47.440 made a video I don't know with some other famous person. 3177 02:45:47.440 --> 02:45:50.360 He's smoking a bong with some famous person. It's hilarious 3178 02:45:50.479 --> 02:45:52.520 videos right now. But that's how they fucking pull you 3179 02:45:52.559 --> 02:45:53.479 in anyway. 3180 02:45:53.200 --> 02:45:54.840 Right there, Baby agreed. 3181 02:45:55.360 --> 02:45:58.760 It's always fun, it's always convenience, it's always something to 3182 02:45:58.760 --> 02:46:00.879 pull you in. I'm not even saying and that it's 3183 02:46:02.239 --> 02:46:05.040 entirely good or entirely bad. I'm just saying that there's 3184 02:46:05.200 --> 02:46:08.559 multiple roads of which it could go. But when we're 3185 02:46:08.600 --> 02:46:12.200 looking at our government, they always want to use it militaristically. 3186 02:46:12.520 --> 02:46:14.840 And if there's anything that we have learned throughout the 3187 02:46:14.920 --> 02:46:17.760 damn near nine hundred and twenty some odd episodes that 3188 02:46:17.799 --> 02:46:21.639 we've done, is that the government is not on your side, 3189 02:46:21.799 --> 02:46:24.280 right and if they can find a way to militarize something, 3190 02:46:24.319 --> 02:46:25.239 they fucking. 3191 02:46:24.920 --> 02:46:29.159 Will, I'm gonna stick with my I'm trademarking this shit 3192 02:46:29.280 --> 02:46:33.000 New Ajamish. You know, I believe the Internet is where 3193 02:46:33.040 --> 02:46:36.280 we should stop our technology. Anything beyond the Internet is 3194 02:46:36.360 --> 02:46:38.360 probably just to our own demise. 3195 02:46:39.159 --> 02:46:40.959 Honestly, so very well. 3196 02:46:42.079 --> 02:46:44.319 Look, I do want to watch the video, and we 3197 02:46:44.360 --> 02:46:46.000 have a video of the sale list or that we're 3198 02:46:46.040 --> 02:46:48.719 going on with the experiments. It's not a long video, 3199 02:46:48.879 --> 02:46:50.239 but I do want to watch it so I could 3200 02:46:50.239 --> 02:46:52.680 see for myself because I'm still on the fence here 3201 02:46:52.719 --> 02:46:56.680 whether this is just in my opinion based off of 3202 02:46:56.680 --> 02:46:59.360 what we have heard thus far, and if it is 3203 02:46:59.680 --> 02:47:03.520 real and it wasn't just you know, for the showmanship 3204 02:47:03.639 --> 02:47:06.159 of it, it sounds like it could. 3205 02:47:06.040 --> 02:47:10.159 Be Dark Forces slash hokum. 3206 02:47:10.600 --> 02:47:12.319 I'm not sure which one yet, and there may be 3207 02:47:12.319 --> 02:47:14.040 a third option that I'm just not considering. 3208 02:47:14.159 --> 02:47:14.840 I don't know. 3209 02:47:15.319 --> 02:47:17.200 You brought up Tolpa's and egger Gore's and I mean, 3210 02:47:17.399 --> 02:47:19.559 I broke down my opinion on these things, so I mean, 3211 02:47:19.559 --> 02:47:21.479 I'm kind of pretty stalwarts in that one. 3212 02:47:21.760 --> 02:47:23.399 But I am interested to. 3213 02:47:23.360 --> 02:47:27.760 See the actual video evidence that they have of this. However, 3214 02:47:28.200 --> 02:47:30.559 like we read earlier, there is no video evidence of 3215 02:47:30.600 --> 02:47:32.959 the knocking or the table flipping or any of these things. 3216 02:47:33.159 --> 02:47:34.879 So I'm curious what this has on it. 3217 02:47:35.479 --> 02:47:38.639 You know, it is interesting to see the different perspectives 3218 02:47:38.639 --> 02:47:42.040 here because I'm looking at it as wow, holy shit, 3219 02:47:42.319 --> 02:47:45.680 like humans can can do this. This is crazy, like 3220 02:47:45.760 --> 02:47:48.760 because I personally don't believe in ghosts either. It's very 3221 02:47:48.760 --> 02:47:50.920 interesting how we have these two different opposing kind of 3222 02:47:51.000 --> 02:47:54.719 views where one is looked at as either obviously either 3223 02:47:54.799 --> 02:47:58.040 a hoax or demonic, and whereas the other view is 3224 02:47:58.040 --> 02:48:01.559 looking at it as holy shit. It the America. The 3225 02:48:01.559 --> 02:48:07.120 the human mind is capable of so much, right mm, 3226 02:48:07.120 --> 02:48:08.600 which I agree with that for the record. 3227 02:48:08.600 --> 02:48:11.799 The human mind is is capable of doing incredible and 3228 02:48:11.920 --> 02:48:12.760 terrible things. 3229 02:48:13.120 --> 02:48:15.000 Both can be true at the same time. 3230 02:48:15.719 --> 02:48:19.879 No doubt. So let's let's uh, god, damn, I'm getting 3231 02:48:19.920 --> 02:48:23.120 choked up over here, dude, what did you do? You 3232 02:48:23.399 --> 02:48:26.120 swallowed spit down the wrong hole or something? No, just 3233 02:48:26.159 --> 02:48:30.319 out of nowhere? Then help me, baby, it's gotta be 3234 02:48:30.719 --> 02:48:32.360 so yeah, let's check it out real quick. 3235 02:48:32.440 --> 02:48:35.440 An unusual experiment is about to be filmed in the 3236 02:48:35.479 --> 02:48:40.399 studios of City TV in Toronto. At the stars of 3237 02:48:40.440 --> 02:48:47.280 this show are eight people sitting around a table. Off 3238 02:48:47.319 --> 02:48:50.079 to the side, on a raised bench are three men 3239 02:48:50.120 --> 02:48:57.879 observing the experiment, Reverend Lindsay Kate, psychologist Joe Elwigen, and 3240 02:48:58.000 --> 02:49:01.600 the doctor George Owen, scientific director for the Toronto Society 3241 02:49:01.639 --> 02:49:07.680 of psychical research. The studio director gives the signal that 3242 02:49:07.799 --> 02:49:17.079 the experiment may begin. The participants lay their hands flat 3243 02:49:17.079 --> 02:49:30.920 on the table and begin calling out a name. Soon, 3244 02:49:31.000 --> 02:49:33.239 the table begins to rise as if it had a 3245 02:49:33.280 --> 02:49:35.959 life of its own, to the surprise of the participants. 3246 02:49:41.000 --> 02:49:44.719 Shortly afterwards, it seems that Philip no longer wishes to 3247 02:49:44.719 --> 02:49:47.120 remain in the middle of the room. As he heads 3248 02:49:47.120 --> 02:49:51.399 toward Reverend King, the table moves with him, and the 3249 02:49:51.440 --> 02:49:55.079 eight mediums have a hard time keeping their hands in place. 3250 02:49:55.920 --> 02:49:59.239 Once the table stops, one of the participants suggests to 3251 02:49:59.280 --> 02:50:01.520 the clergyman, did he say hello to Philip? 3252 02:50:02.399 --> 02:50:03.520 Hello Philip? 3253 02:50:04.559 --> 02:50:08.399 The table rises in response. The only problem is that 3254 02:50:08.399 --> 02:50:14.959 the Philip doesn't exist. Never did Philip Page hold on. 3255 02:50:15.040 --> 02:50:18.000 This kind of seems like a reenactment, doesn't it. 3256 02:50:19.079 --> 02:50:21.799 I'm glad that you said it on me, because I 3257 02:50:21.879 --> 02:50:24.360 was about to sound like a real dickhead over here, 3258 02:50:24.399 --> 02:50:27.000 because we heard earlier there was no video evidence of 3259 02:50:27.040 --> 02:50:30.280 any of the wild shit happening. Yet they just said 3260 02:50:30.319 --> 02:50:32.680 that in this experiment there was cameras rolling when the 3261 02:50:32.719 --> 02:50:35.600 reverend was there. Now, obviously this is a reenactment. If not, 3262 02:50:35.840 --> 02:50:38.159 then if you believe this is a real thing that 3263 02:50:38.280 --> 02:50:40.920 just took place. I hate to tell you, but Santa 3264 02:50:40.920 --> 02:50:43.440 Claus is in fact not real. Like we need to 3265 02:50:43.479 --> 02:50:47.639 have more conversations here obviously, but uh yeah, so were 3266 02:50:47.639 --> 02:50:50.000 the camera's rolling when wild shit happened or not? Because 3267 02:50:50.040 --> 02:50:53.440 the article that we read from their own admission said. 3268 02:50:53.200 --> 02:50:57.200 No, okay, yeah, because if it's this well, let's see 3269 02:50:57.239 --> 02:50:59.639 hold on, let's uh, let's listen. 3270 02:51:03.239 --> 02:51:08.920 George Owen George Owen was a mathematician and geneticist. He 3271 02:51:08.959 --> 02:51:11.360 studied at Cambridge University in England. 3272 02:51:11.920 --> 02:51:15.920 At Cambridge, he also had an interest in poltergeist or 3273 02:51:16.000 --> 02:51:17.000 cut portageist. 3274 02:51:17.440 --> 02:51:20.479 With the assistance of three men and five women who 3275 02:51:20.520 --> 02:51:23.479 had no particular gift for communicating with the spirit world, 3276 02:51:24.159 --> 02:51:27.719 doctor Owen conducted one of the most significant experiments in 3277 02:51:27.760 --> 02:51:32.200 the field of parapsychology in the twentieth century. They created 3278 02:51:32.559 --> 02:51:34.719 Philip the Imaginary Ghost. 3279 02:51:35.239 --> 02:51:38.639 So the Imaginary Ghost was at an attempt by the 3280 02:51:38.680 --> 02:51:46.120 Toronto Society for Psychical Research to prove that paranormal events 3281 02:51:46.159 --> 02:51:50.879 could be created without the help of spirits. 3282 02:51:50.360 --> 02:51:52.239 From another plane. 3283 02:51:52.799 --> 02:51:56.760 Is a persic or instead of assuming that all physical 3284 02:51:56.799 --> 02:52:01.200 manifestations were caused by the spirits of the deceased. A 3285 02:52:01.239 --> 02:52:04.920 spiritualist claimed lispirites cursus. 3286 02:52:04.959 --> 02:52:11.159 Ready, doctor Owen saw a more natural explanation, Pluto opte 3287 02:52:11.440 --> 02:52:17.600 pour later pratsion. He wanted to show that living beings, 3288 02:52:17.600 --> 02:52:20.559 through some mechanism that has yet to be explained. 3289 02:52:20.479 --> 02:52:28.559 Could project their energy onto material objects. 3290 02:52:29.559 --> 02:52:32.200 Doctor Owen asked the group of eight as they were called, 3291 02:52:32.760 --> 02:52:36.760 to imagine the fictitious character with a name, age, gender 3292 02:52:36.840 --> 02:52:44.840 and nationality. They came up with Philip, a thirty year 3293 02:52:44.879 --> 02:52:49.959 old aristocratic Englishman living in the seventeenth century at Diddington 3294 02:52:50.079 --> 02:52:58.000 Manner in Warwickshire, England. Believe then they invented Philip's life story. 3295 02:52:58.319 --> 02:53:02.159 He had a wife, Dorothea, who was cold and frigid. 3296 02:53:04.559 --> 02:53:07.360 He fell in love with Margo, a beautiful young gypsy. 3297 02:53:09.440 --> 02:53:13.920 Dorothea discovered her husband's in fidelity and accused Margot of witchcraft. 3298 02:53:15.559 --> 02:53:18.159 Margot was condemned and burned at the stake. 3299 02:53:19.399 --> 02:53:23.399 Okay, obviously a reenactment, right, because this is all anyway, 3300 02:53:23.799 --> 02:53:28.399 Just want to clarify, all right, all right? 3301 02:53:29.920 --> 02:53:33.639 Heartbroken, Philip took his own life jumping off the battlements 3302 02:53:33.680 --> 02:53:40.360 of Diddington Manor. He was only thirty years old. Of 3303 02:53:40.440 --> 02:53:45.120 all these biographical tidbits. Diddington manner was the only element 3304 02:53:45.159 --> 02:53:48.440 that was real, and of course it had never had 3305 02:53:48.479 --> 02:53:50.000 an occupant resembling Philip. 3306 02:53:51.680 --> 02:53:56.000 We took them several months before they had worked out 3307 02:53:56.040 --> 02:53:59.040 the details of the character they were going to create, 3308 02:53:59.479 --> 02:54:02.479 so it was nineteen seventy three, I think between eight 3309 02:54:02.520 --> 02:54:05.760 and nine months later that the experiments actually began. 3310 02:54:06.680 --> 02:54:12.159 They met on a weekly basis in a designated area 3311 02:54:12.360 --> 02:54:15.959 of the society headquarters which we call the Philip Room, 3312 02:54:17.479 --> 02:54:20.360 and this room was not used for any other purpose, 3313 02:54:21.360 --> 02:54:26.399 had a card table with eight metal chairs around it, 3314 02:54:27.120 --> 02:54:29.440 and they met once a week for a period of 3315 02:54:29.479 --> 02:54:41.079 well over ten years. The group sat around in a 3316 02:54:41.159 --> 02:54:44.559 circle with a picture of Philip in sort of a 3317 02:54:44.639 --> 02:54:48.559 meditative state, trying to produce an apparition. And after a 3318 02:54:48.639 --> 02:54:58.559 year nothing happened, no phenomenon, no apparition film. 3319 02:54:58.680 --> 02:55:03.840 We're looking for you, Philip, give us a sign please. 3320 02:55:04.399 --> 02:55:08.319 At first, the members just developed a friendship with each other, 3321 02:55:10.319 --> 02:55:14.280 so they spent months together with no occurrences of a 3322 02:55:14.319 --> 02:55:17.159 psychokinetic or telekinetic nature. 3323 02:55:17.760 --> 02:55:25.639 Then at some point they changed their strategy and suddenly they. 3324 02:55:25.520 --> 02:55:30.280 Began to see results like raps on the table or 3325 02:55:30.399 --> 02:55:35.280 under it, and the table began to shake and move. 3326 02:55:35.799 --> 02:55:38.200 These were physical things that could be recorded. 3327 02:55:38.760 --> 02:55:42.559 Give us a sign, Philip, Philip, are you there, Philip. 3328 02:55:44.799 --> 02:55:51.040 Within a month or two of talking to this imaginary 3329 02:55:51.079 --> 02:55:55.120 ghost Philip, people started to get raps on the table. 3330 02:55:55.799 --> 02:56:00.159 In turn, each person would say something like good evening, Philip, up, 3331 02:56:00.840 --> 02:56:05.600 Hello Philip, and there would be wraps underneath their fingertips, 3332 02:56:06.360 --> 02:56:10.079 Or if a visitor came in and identified himself and 3333 02:56:10.120 --> 02:56:14.159 said hello Philip, there'd be a rap underneath the visitor's hand. 3334 02:56:15.879 --> 02:56:22.319 These wraps were audible, were tape recorded, and had a 3335 02:56:22.440 --> 02:56:28.680 characteristic sound envelope, and we've published the results of that 3336 02:56:30.360 --> 02:56:31.360 auditory study. 3337 02:56:32.200 --> 02:56:36.639 The tapping eventually led to the table being shaken, shaken, 3338 02:56:37.639 --> 02:56:43.360 eventually moving, and eventually actually turning right on its side. 3339 02:56:44.399 --> 02:56:49.479 Those were really the proofs that they had in fact 3340 02:56:49.760 --> 02:56:51.040 accomplished their experiment. 3341 02:56:54.600 --> 02:56:57.600 The Phillip's manifestations were far from what they had hoped for, 3342 02:56:57.920 --> 02:57:01.840 but still the group of ask a question and Philip 3343 02:57:01.879 --> 02:57:06.520 would answer. Surprisingly enough, the answers always corresponded to his 3344 02:57:06.719 --> 02:57:13.120 alleged biography. As the seances progressed, Philip became more enterprising. 3345 02:57:15.440 --> 02:57:17.680 After a few wraps on the table, he would raise 3346 02:57:17.719 --> 02:57:20.040 it off the ground and make it dance on two 3347 02:57:20.200 --> 02:57:20.920 or three legs. 3348 02:57:23.879 --> 02:57:28.319 We were very careful to try and avoid hoaxes. On 3349 02:57:28.399 --> 02:57:33.120 several occasions we had what are called Doyley nights where 3350 02:57:33.159 --> 02:57:37.840 we would put Doyley's paper doilies under the hands of 3351 02:57:37.920 --> 02:57:43.799 the members, and if they tried pushing the table, the 3352 02:57:43.879 --> 02:57:47.799 doilies would simply slide across the table. So clearly the 3353 02:57:47.799 --> 02:57:53.200 table movements were not caused by anyone pushing it. And 3354 02:57:53.319 --> 02:57:58.559 the cameras when we had those opportunities to videotape it, 3355 02:57:58.559 --> 02:58:02.200 it was clear that, say, two people sitting on opposite 3356 02:58:02.239 --> 02:58:05.799 sides of the table, if they both lifted their knees, 3357 02:58:05.920 --> 02:58:09.040 might lift the table up. It was clear that that 3358 02:58:09.120 --> 02:58:10.520 was not happening either. 3359 02:58:10.879 --> 02:58:12.479 Philip, Are you there? Philip? 3360 02:58:14.440 --> 02:58:18.399 Encouraged by the astounding results, other groups around the world 3361 02:58:18.600 --> 02:58:24.639 tried the same experiment with other imaginary characters. The results 3362 02:58:24.680 --> 02:58:26.399 were all basically the same. 3363 02:58:31.200 --> 02:58:35.799 They told themselves they had found the magic formula La strategy, 3364 02:58:36.760 --> 02:58:44.600 a mix of spontaneity combined with weekly meetings and an experimental. 3365 02:58:43.879 --> 02:58:45.440 Framework a or. 3366 02:58:47.559 --> 02:58:48.040 Experience. 3367 02:58:48.120 --> 02:58:50.520 They thought this was the secret to being able to 3368 02:58:50.559 --> 02:58:52.799 produce this kind of phenomenon. 3369 02:58:52.280 --> 02:58:57.639 It will, but they realized that this strategy alone. 3370 02:58:57.319 --> 02:58:58.239 Was not enough. 3371 02:59:00.239 --> 02:59:01.319 Strategy. 3372 02:59:01.520 --> 02:59:04.200 It also took a lot of tenacity on the part 3373 02:59:04.239 --> 02:59:05.879 of the members. 3374 02:59:07.280 --> 02:59:09.760 It would appear that the hereafter is not the only 3375 02:59:09.840 --> 02:59:15.920 explanation for manifestations of so called spirits. However, it's been 3376 02:59:15.959 --> 02:59:20.440 nearly thirty years since the original Philip experiment, and parapsychologists 3377 02:59:20.479 --> 02:59:23.239 are still just as puzzled now as they were back 3378 02:59:23.280 --> 02:59:28.680 then as to what was producing these manifestations. 3379 02:59:29.120 --> 02:59:33.120 It is interesting that the scientific community has never followed 3380 02:59:33.200 --> 02:59:37.959 the Philip experiment or in the many other experiments of 3381 02:59:37.959 --> 02:59:38.879 a similar nature. 3382 02:59:40.079 --> 02:59:41.440 Why I can't answer. 3383 02:59:41.760 --> 02:59:44.799 I myself am fully convinced that there is a level 3384 02:59:44.879 --> 02:59:49.200 of psychic ability that is obtainable bias if we knew 3385 02:59:49.239 --> 02:59:54.120 how to reach it. Also, let's face it, the scientific 3386 02:59:54.159 --> 02:59:59.079 community is always a little behind the human experience, and 3387 02:59:59.200 --> 03:00:01.239 I think the I don't think it's any more profound 3388 03:00:01.280 --> 03:00:01.760 than that. 3389 03:00:01.680 --> 03:00:05.319 Really, because that's what whether you approached this from the 3390 03:00:05.360 --> 03:00:08.959 spiritualist angle or the parapsychological. 3391 03:00:08.040 --> 03:00:11.639 Angle, it's impossible to come up with scientific proof because 3392 03:00:11.680 --> 03:00:14.159 that proof requires that you not only be able to 3393 03:00:14.200 --> 03:00:17.440 observe the phenomena and reproduce them. It will you must 3394 03:00:17.479 --> 03:00:20.639 also come up with a theory to explain the phenomena. 3395 03:00:20.280 --> 03:00:21.760 And predict when they will occur. 3396 03:00:22.159 --> 03:00:25.159 So since that was impossible in this case, the matter 3397 03:00:25.239 --> 03:00:26.280 is still not settled. 3398 03:00:28.559 --> 03:00:30.959 Let's go dude, all right. 3399 03:00:32.719 --> 03:00:33.920 I mean, it's interesting. 3400 03:00:35.360 --> 03:00:38.479 There's got to be something to it, unless all of 3401 03:00:38.520 --> 03:00:42.479 these people were absolutely hoaxes. I mean, at which you 3402 03:00:42.520 --> 03:00:45.239 can't count out of course. I mean you're talking about, 3403 03:00:45.280 --> 03:00:48.360 you know, experiments that were held back in the seventies. 3404 03:00:48.479 --> 03:00:50.680 You know, people got a little crazy back then, But 3405 03:00:50.799 --> 03:00:54.239 then again, so did the fucking CIA, right, So it's 3406 03:00:54.319 --> 03:00:56.479 like people were interested in this kind of stuff, and 3407 03:00:56.520 --> 03:00:59.000 it is interesting about you know how he was saying that, 3408 03:00:59.280 --> 03:01:04.559 you know, science and governments never really seemingly tried to 3409 03:01:04.559 --> 03:01:07.079 take this information and push forward with it. So either 3410 03:01:07.120 --> 03:01:13.479 A they debunked it or B they're carrying on with 3411 03:01:13.639 --> 03:01:17.639 it and not letting anybody know, which I'm not gonna lie. 3412 03:01:17.799 --> 03:01:21.280 You know, you look at all the crazy experiments that 3413 03:01:21.520 --> 03:01:26.000 the CIA and the government we're doing back then, especially 3414 03:01:26.000 --> 03:01:29.280 even now, you know you got Project Artichoke and mk 3415 03:01:29.520 --> 03:01:33.840 Ultra and you know, the remote viewing programs, and you know, 3416 03:01:33.959 --> 03:01:37.319 they were interested in it for a reason. And you 3417 03:01:37.360 --> 03:01:39.760 could say, well, that's just because the Germans were interested 3418 03:01:39.760 --> 03:01:42.120 in it, and that's you know, that's the Germans were 3419 03:01:42.159 --> 03:01:44.879 so interested in it, and they must have been on 3420 03:01:44.879 --> 03:01:47.760 one and so they brought over a bunch of you know, 3421 03:01:48.159 --> 03:01:51.360 a bunch of Nazis, Operation paper Clip, and they continued 3422 03:01:51.360 --> 03:01:55.079 the process. Here's my thing. I don't think, I don't 3423 03:01:55.079 --> 03:01:57.799 think that there's nothing to it that I mean, of course, 3424 03:01:57.840 --> 03:02:00.159 that that's what I would say. I mean, obviously I'm 3425 03:02:00.200 --> 03:02:04.399 the I'm the the woo woo guy here, but I 3426 03:02:04.600 --> 03:02:08.600 just I personally believe that the human mind is capable 3427 03:02:08.680 --> 03:02:11.239 of a lot more than we've been led onto. And 3428 03:02:11.360 --> 03:02:14.600 most of the time they'll have you believe that it 3429 03:02:14.680 --> 03:02:19.479 is demons, it is you know, disembodied spirits and disembodied ghosts. 3430 03:02:19.479 --> 03:02:22.040 But what if it really is us? Like what if? 3431 03:02:22.200 --> 03:02:25.879 What if all that really is coming from us? Like 3432 03:02:25.959 --> 03:02:29.079 what And and obviously, like you think about the governments, 3433 03:02:29.360 --> 03:02:31.079 you know, they want to poison you. They want to 3434 03:02:31.159 --> 03:02:32.920 they want to poison your food and your air and 3435 03:02:32.959 --> 03:02:36.280 your water, and you know, all your media and everything 3436 03:02:36.319 --> 03:02:39.440 that you watch, and they want to dilute you in 3437 03:02:40.239 --> 03:02:42.479 every single way. And it makes you wonder, you know, 3438 03:02:42.559 --> 03:02:44.879 what kind of human would we be if we weren't 3439 03:02:44.879 --> 03:02:48.879 diluted and we could actually achieve everything that, like the 3440 03:02:48.879 --> 03:02:54.440 the the untouched human could achieve, makes you wonder, That's 3441 03:02:54.440 --> 03:02:55.040 all I'm saying. 3442 03:02:56.559 --> 03:02:59.639 So all right, And granted, yes, we just saw some 3443 03:02:59.799 --> 03:03:04.639 very poor recreations of the alleged events. 3444 03:03:04.239 --> 03:03:09.479 That took place with these experiments, right, remaking do what? 3445 03:03:09.639 --> 03:03:11.719 It was a nineties remaking of the thing. 3446 03:03:12.559 --> 03:03:16.719 They for sure, for sure, but even remakes aside, And 3447 03:03:16.840 --> 03:03:21.200 let's just assume that, And for the conversation here, let's 3448 03:03:21.239 --> 03:03:24.719 assume that all of the claims that were made and 3449 03:03:24.879 --> 03:03:28.559 the recreations, let's say it was even close to that, right, 3450 03:03:28.559 --> 03:03:30.879 because the people that conducted those experiments are still alive 3451 03:03:30.920 --> 03:03:33.440 when this recreation was made, so they'd be able to say, no, 3452 03:03:33.520 --> 03:03:35.440 it happened just like that, or they'd be like, ah, 3453 03:03:35.479 --> 03:03:37.399 that's a bit much, dude, it wasn't that crazy. 3454 03:03:37.520 --> 03:03:40.680 Well, two of the guys, we were the ones that 3455 03:03:40.760 --> 03:03:43.479 were speaking, right exactly, that's a point. 3456 03:03:43.559 --> 03:03:48.680 Right, So assuming that they are being forthright and that 3457 03:03:48.760 --> 03:03:52.479 this wasn't a hoax, I'm gonna just take it that 3458 03:03:52.559 --> 03:03:59.440 way so I could understand what the doctor doctor Owens's 3459 03:04:00.079 --> 03:04:03.200 theory was on this. He's basically saying that the human 3460 03:04:03.239 --> 03:04:05.360 mind is way more powerful than we give it credit for. 3461 03:04:05.840 --> 03:04:08.040 So powerful in fact, that even if you were to 3462 03:04:08.159 --> 03:04:12.200 create a make believe ghost story, that you can in 3463 03:04:12.239 --> 03:04:16.600 fact make some ghost like paranormal experiences happen when there 3464 03:04:16.680 --> 03:04:19.200 is no ghost present, because this there is. 3465 03:04:19.600 --> 03:04:21.559 You didn't believe in ghosts. They made this thing up. 3466 03:04:21.719 --> 03:04:24.280 Nothing about the story was real, but the people believed 3467 03:04:24.280 --> 03:04:27.760 it strong enough to where things started to take place. Okay, 3468 03:04:28.559 --> 03:04:31.520 but they heard the knocking, they asked it, questions, all 3469 03:04:31.559 --> 03:04:35.639 these things, so their belief was strong enough. 3470 03:04:36.319 --> 03:04:37.799 And they met for over a year. 3471 03:04:38.520 --> 03:04:41.120 Right, They said, they conducted these experiments for ten years, 3472 03:04:41.520 --> 03:04:43.680 at least once a week. They got together for ten 3473 03:04:44.040 --> 03:04:48.200 years to conduct these experiments. And I'm gonna I'm not 3474 03:04:48.200 --> 03:04:51.000 gonna call them fake seances. I'm gonna call them real seances. 3475 03:04:51.000 --> 03:04:54.840 Although I saw no candles I saw in the reenactment. 3476 03:04:54.920 --> 03:04:56.200 Yeah, you probably wouldn't. 3477 03:04:56.600 --> 03:04:59.520 No, even in the video like they had cameras and stuff. 3478 03:04:59.520 --> 03:05:01.040 You think they have done this the right way. They 3479 03:05:01.040 --> 03:05:03.559 said they didn't use wegi boards. We saw no weigi boards. 3480 03:05:03.719 --> 03:05:05.879 They said they use the paper doilies to make sure 3481 03:05:05.920 --> 03:05:08.639 nobody's hands are doing shit. We saw the paper doilies, 3482 03:05:09.200 --> 03:05:11.840 saw no candles. But that was the point. He is 3483 03:05:11.840 --> 03:05:14.040 saying that you don't need this because he believed that 3484 03:05:14.120 --> 03:05:17.319 this wasn't a spiritual encounter. He believed that this was 3485 03:05:17.360 --> 03:05:20.879 the human mind making things that weren't really there but 3486 03:05:20.920 --> 03:05:22.120 they are there now kind of thing. 3487 03:05:22.319 --> 03:05:26.440 For the record, I will say that most people who 3488 03:05:26.479 --> 03:05:31.239 are into this, magic practitioners or what have you, will 3489 03:05:31.280 --> 03:05:35.360 say that every single one of those physical items that 3490 03:05:35.440 --> 03:05:39.000 you're using are really just tools for your mind anyway. 3491 03:05:39.200 --> 03:05:41.120 So if you know that's not true, if you have 3492 03:05:41.959 --> 03:05:44.360 I'm just saying, what, dude, I've I've read a lot 3493 03:05:44.399 --> 03:05:46.760 of books on this. I've read a lot of articles 3494 03:05:46.799 --> 03:05:50.440 on this. I've had conversations with magicians. These are all 3495 03:05:50.600 --> 03:05:54.559 these people, and especially even the the Magickian book also 3496 03:05:54.600 --> 03:05:57.719 alludes to that. By the way, that was Philip Cooper, who, 3497 03:05:58.239 --> 03:06:01.280 like you know, studied deeply. He wasn't even a studier, 3498 03:06:01.319 --> 03:06:04.719 he was a practitioner of the craft itself. And most 3499 03:06:04.719 --> 03:06:07.200 of them will say that if you get comfortable enough, 3500 03:06:07.399 --> 03:06:09.639 you don't need the chalice anymore. You don't need the 3501 03:06:09.680 --> 03:06:12.719 wand anymore. You don't need the fucking all these different 3502 03:06:12.760 --> 03:06:15.559 tools because they're tools of the mind. What they believe, 3503 03:06:16.200 --> 03:06:18.520 and this is actually what I've grown to believe, is 3504 03:06:18.559 --> 03:06:25.840 that we're capable of projecting these things and the tools 3505 03:06:25.840 --> 03:06:28.959 that you use are literally just symbols for your mind 3506 03:06:29.040 --> 03:06:29.719 to accept. 3507 03:06:30.159 --> 03:06:35.600 And it's then why does the sacrificer need to physically 3508 03:06:35.799 --> 03:06:39.239 draw out the pentagram and physically kill an animal and 3509 03:06:39.360 --> 03:06:42.120 use the blood If it's all just things of the mind. 3510 03:06:41.920 --> 03:06:44.479 There's more than one way to skin a cat. 3511 03:06:44.559 --> 03:06:46.600 Not according to the dude who does it professionally. 3512 03:06:48.120 --> 03:06:52.200 I mean, look what he was saying, that's not exactly 3513 03:06:52.239 --> 03:06:54.799 what he said. What he was saying is is if 3514 03:06:54.840 --> 03:06:58.120 you want to guarantee it to happen, because the mind 3515 03:06:58.239 --> 03:07:00.360 is a fickle thing. You know, maybe you're having an 3516 03:07:00.360 --> 03:07:02.879 off day, maybe there's something in the back of your 3517 03:07:02.920 --> 03:07:04.600 mind that you just can't let go and it's not 3518 03:07:04.680 --> 03:07:08.079 allowing you to connect with whatever you're trying to connect 3519 03:07:08.079 --> 03:07:11.680 with fully, and so then maybe you, I don't know, 3520 03:07:12.760 --> 03:07:15.600 you do something extra. But what I'm saying is, and 3521 03:07:15.959 --> 03:07:17.920 you can't say it's not true. I mean, you can 3522 03:07:17.959 --> 03:07:20.040 say I don't believe that, but to say it's not true. 3523 03:07:20.159 --> 03:07:22.719 Is that's a misnomer. Like there's no way of you 3524 03:07:22.840 --> 03:07:25.719 knowing that it's not true, is what I'm trying to say. 3525 03:07:25.760 --> 03:07:27.719 And there's no way of me knowing that the sun's 3526 03:07:27.760 --> 03:07:30.520 coming up tomorrow morning with Okay, are we just conflating 3527 03:07:30.559 --> 03:07:32.920 things here? 3528 03:07:31.959 --> 03:07:40.319 You're conflicting belief with possibility. And your belief is you 3529 03:07:40.440 --> 03:07:43.280 believe in stuff that you've never actually tried yet you 3530 03:07:43.399 --> 03:07:46.319 have a belief toward it. What I'm saying is is 3531 03:07:46.360 --> 03:07:49.319 that I've tried, and I've talked to other people that 3532 03:07:49.360 --> 03:07:52.760 have tried and succeeded in what I'm saying. What I'm sing, 3533 03:07:52.760 --> 03:07:56.440 I'm speaking from experience and speaking to those who have experienced. 3534 03:07:56.760 --> 03:07:59.239 Whereas you know, you're kind of just kind of looking 3535 03:07:59.280 --> 03:08:01.760 at it from the outside. And that's what I'm trying 3536 03:08:01.799 --> 03:08:03.959 to say, is is that you know, as far as 3537 03:08:04.399 --> 03:08:08.040 the colt and magic and witchcraft and all that kind 3538 03:08:08.040 --> 03:08:11.239 of stuff, people can say that, oh, you're messing around 3539 03:08:11.280 --> 03:08:13.559 with fire, You're you're playing with demons, you're playing with 3540 03:08:13.559 --> 03:08:16.680 the devil, you're playing with the gin. Whatever your beliefs are, right, 3541 03:08:16.760 --> 03:08:19.959 But like if you don't try to understand what the 3542 03:08:20.079 --> 03:08:24.239 enemy is doing. You're never going to understand whenever they 3543 03:08:24.399 --> 03:08:25.799 are doing something to you. 3544 03:08:26.319 --> 03:08:28.440 It's kind of like you want to understand. You should 3545 03:08:28.479 --> 03:08:30.239 understand what they're doing. But that doesn't mean you have 3546 03:08:30.319 --> 03:08:32.600 to delve into it to understand it. 3547 03:08:33.280 --> 03:08:36.399 Well, sometimes you need to experience something rather than just 3548 03:08:36.440 --> 03:08:37.479 watching somebody do it. 3549 03:08:39.239 --> 03:08:41.440 I respectfully disagree, So. 3550 03:08:42.040 --> 03:08:45.319 I mean, would you disagree? Like for me, I'm more 3551 03:08:45.319 --> 03:08:47.200 of a hands on kind of guy. I can't just 3552 03:08:47.280 --> 03:08:49.840 watch somebody change oil. If I've never changed oil, I 3553 03:08:49.920 --> 03:08:51.040 got to put my hands on it. 3554 03:08:51.280 --> 03:08:53.719 And so that's kind of like we're talking about, is like, Okay, 3555 03:08:53.799 --> 03:08:56.120 let's say that the enemy is changing oil and it's 3556 03:08:56.239 --> 03:08:58.399 it's telling like I don't need to change oil to 3557 03:08:58.479 --> 03:08:59.920 learn how the enemy is doing it. 3558 03:09:00.079 --> 03:09:03.280 If that, oh, but like this the enemy is making IEDs. 3559 03:09:04.120 --> 03:09:06.559 I don't need to make an IED to learn what 3560 03:09:06.680 --> 03:09:08.600 to look for to tell if something might be an 3561 03:09:08.639 --> 03:09:10.479 ID or not right. 3562 03:09:10.719 --> 03:09:13.639 But what if you had to learn how to make 3563 03:09:13.680 --> 03:09:19.399 an IED? I mean would you? I mean why why? 3564 03:09:19.440 --> 03:09:19.520 What? 3565 03:09:20.520 --> 03:09:21.840 Why would I need to learn that? 3566 03:09:22.680 --> 03:09:26.280 Well, I mean, look looking for the principle of spirituality. Yeah, 3567 03:09:26.360 --> 03:09:26.719 if the. 3568 03:09:26.840 --> 03:09:29.680 Enemy is playing with sorcery and divination and all this, 3569 03:09:30.360 --> 03:09:32.840 Why would I need to learn sorcery and divination. 3570 03:09:33.000 --> 03:09:35.120 I'll give you an example. I played football for a 3571 03:09:35.120 --> 03:09:39.680 long time, and you know, every so often, well every week, 3572 03:09:39.799 --> 03:09:42.440 what we would do is Monday was always film day. 3573 03:09:42.520 --> 03:09:44.959 We always watched the film the day after the game. 3574 03:09:45.040 --> 03:09:47.200 Where did we fuck up? Where could we get better? 3575 03:09:47.559 --> 03:09:50.799 How could we sharpen ourselves? And and and also you 3576 03:09:50.799 --> 03:09:52.959 know the next day was also all right, now we're 3577 03:09:52.959 --> 03:09:54.760 going to watch film on the team that we're facing 3578 03:09:54.840 --> 03:09:57.200 this week, so it'd be back to back film days. 3579 03:09:57.959 --> 03:10:00.319 You still need to practice, like you can't. I just 3580 03:10:00.399 --> 03:10:02.920 watched the film. You need to practice, and you need 3581 03:10:02.959 --> 03:10:05.360 to have that scout team, that Scout team defense going 3582 03:10:05.399 --> 03:10:07.680 up against your offense. That Scout team defense needs to 3583 03:10:07.760 --> 03:10:10.000 represent the defense that you're going to be going up 3584 03:10:10.000 --> 03:10:13.559 against next week. Otherwise, if you're just watching it on film, Yeah, 3585 03:10:13.559 --> 03:10:15.760 that's a facet of it, you know, that's that's a 3586 03:10:15.840 --> 03:10:18.600 part of it. But you need to get an actual 3587 03:10:18.680 --> 03:10:21.399 physical look at it. And I'm not saying that somebody 3588 03:10:21.479 --> 03:10:25.120 needs to do a you know, needs to create a 3589 03:10:25.159 --> 03:10:27.239 tulpa in order to know that it's real, or needs 3590 03:10:27.280 --> 03:10:29.040 to do a seance in order to know it's real. 3591 03:10:29.120 --> 03:10:31.360 You can look at it from the outside with and 3592 03:10:31.559 --> 03:10:35.639 make your judgments. But unless, but unless you actually do it, 3593 03:10:35.680 --> 03:10:39.760 you won't know exec necessarily to the extent of what 3594 03:10:39.840 --> 03:10:41.959 it is and what it's doing. Is kind of like, 3595 03:10:42.239 --> 03:10:43.840 because I think that a lot of people look at 3596 03:10:43.840 --> 03:10:45.520 this kind of stuff and you'll say, yeah, I believe 3597 03:10:45.680 --> 03:10:48.520 you know the Bible said, Hey, Bible said it's it's 3598 03:10:48.559 --> 03:10:52.280 a real thing, right, But unless you do it, you're 3599 03:10:52.319 --> 03:10:55.799 not going to understand the process in which it works. 3600 03:10:56.200 --> 03:10:58.360 And that that was kind of my heroine will ruin 3601 03:10:58.440 --> 03:11:00.520 my life. I don't need to explore it to know 3602 03:11:00.559 --> 03:11:04.000 that it will ruin my life. Sure, yeah, that's fine, 3603 03:11:04.159 --> 03:11:06.639 but I look at it from the outside end. I 3604 03:11:06.680 --> 03:11:09.040 can take other people's word for it and just take 3605 03:11:09.079 --> 03:11:09.799 it on good faith. 3606 03:11:09.920 --> 03:11:12.360 Sure, but this is not the heroine of conspiracy. It's 3607 03:11:12.360 --> 03:11:16.559 the cult of conspiracy. So I want to know what 3608 03:11:16.600 --> 03:11:19.200 it's all about. So therefore I want to take it 3609 03:11:19.239 --> 03:11:21.159 to the extent of trying it. Now, Am I going 3610 03:11:21.159 --> 03:11:23.120 to sacrifice a fucking animal? Now I'm gonna take his 3611 03:11:23.159 --> 03:11:23.600 word for it? 3612 03:11:23.959 --> 03:11:24.360 Right? No? 3613 03:11:24.239 --> 03:11:26.079 No, But like you said, you bring in people and 3614 03:11:26.120 --> 03:11:26.879 interview them. 3615 03:11:26.719 --> 03:11:28.079 And talk to people who have done it so that 3616 03:11:28.120 --> 03:11:30.159 you don't have to same thing with heroin. You could 3617 03:11:30.200 --> 03:11:32.280 talk to a former junkie and a former addict. You 3618 03:11:32.280 --> 03:11:34.440 don't have to go and live on skid road to 3619 03:11:34.520 --> 03:11:36.120 learn how that will ruin your life. 3620 03:11:36.360 --> 03:11:38.479 Sure, yeah, but it's not because I don't have to. 3621 03:11:38.520 --> 03:11:41.719 I never said that. It's so that I can get multiple, 3622 03:11:42.000 --> 03:11:45.719 multiple different understandings of how it works from different angles. 3623 03:11:45.719 --> 03:11:49.479 And obviously you're gonna learn different you know, modalities, and 3624 03:11:49.879 --> 03:11:53.079 different techniques and different thoughts on the whole thing, and 3625 03:11:53.120 --> 03:11:55.399 you learn. You know, that's just something that I'm interested. 3626 03:11:55.399 --> 03:11:59.079 I'm not scared of the occult. I'm not sired of seances. 3627 03:11:59.120 --> 03:12:02.559 I'm not scared of of doing a fucking magic spell like. 3628 03:12:02.479 --> 03:12:05.600 That, nor am I. Nobody should be scared of these things. 3629 03:12:05.600 --> 03:12:07.479 And I'm not trying to call you out in particular. 3630 03:12:07.479 --> 03:12:11.319 I'm saying to any person person a speaking on behalf 3631 03:12:11.360 --> 03:12:14.000 of person a, they can just kind of look at 3632 03:12:14.000 --> 03:12:16.639 these things and be like, hey, probably shouldn't fuck with that, 3633 03:12:16.799 --> 03:12:18.719 and they don't have to like get their hands dirty 3634 03:12:18.760 --> 03:12:21.360 to learn. Hey, wait a minute, that's why I shouldn't 3635 03:12:21.360 --> 03:12:21.840 fuck with it. 3636 03:12:21.879 --> 03:12:23.799 You can just like make a judgment call. 3637 03:12:23.879 --> 03:12:27.319 Yes, but why you don't fuck with it is because 3638 03:12:27.600 --> 03:12:31.040 of your prior beliefs. I don't have those, so therefore 3639 03:12:31.079 --> 03:12:33.360 I don't have that wall up that says, hey, I 3640 03:12:33.399 --> 03:12:36.639 probably shouldn't do it. That's where we're different. 3641 03:12:36.280 --> 03:12:38.120 At Is it true? 3642 03:12:38.319 --> 03:12:42.680 Yeah, so now it's a preconceived notion of which I 3643 03:12:42.719 --> 03:12:43.079 don't have. 3644 03:12:44.639 --> 03:12:47.040 It's not as preconceived Okay, yeah, yeah it is. 3645 03:12:47.239 --> 03:12:50.280 It absolutely is, because it's not your thought that says 3646 03:12:50.319 --> 03:12:53.440 that that's something that you learned, that you believed to 3647 03:12:53.520 --> 03:12:55.559 where now it's what you think. 3648 03:12:56.879 --> 03:13:00.399 Well, yeah, I mean because it's out of truth. 3649 03:13:01.680 --> 03:13:04.120 Yeah, I mean according to believers, for sure, but it's 3650 03:13:04.159 --> 03:13:07.040 not I mean, it's not what everybody believes. It's not 3651 03:13:07.040 --> 03:13:07.600 what I believe. 3652 03:13:08.200 --> 03:13:09.600 And it's the same thing with like heroin. 3653 03:13:09.680 --> 03:13:13.280 Yeah, I know, you could take prescribed medication myth you 3654 03:13:13.280 --> 03:13:15.879 could take adderall and have no negative side effects for 3655 03:13:15.959 --> 03:13:16.719 years and years and years. 3656 03:13:16.799 --> 03:13:18.319 Yeah, there's different modalities to that. 3657 03:13:19.079 --> 03:13:22.399 But you also don't have to like explore meth to 3658 03:13:22.479 --> 03:13:24.959 learn like, hey, that could fuck your whole world up. 3659 03:13:25.319 --> 03:13:25.760 It may not. 3660 03:13:26.079 --> 03:13:28.479 It very well may not what it could, So like, 3661 03:13:28.639 --> 03:13:29.319 why tempt it? 3662 03:13:29.399 --> 03:13:34.159 I wouldn't say that people that are have different spiritual practices. 3663 03:13:34.559 --> 03:13:38.959 I wouldn't compare them to heroin and meth addicts though, No, I. 3664 03:13:39.440 --> 03:13:41.719 Would to people that are delving in dark arts for sure, 3665 03:13:41.840 --> 03:13:43.760 different spiritual practices, different religions. 3666 03:13:43.760 --> 03:13:45.239 I'm not comparing that to this. 3667 03:13:45.399 --> 03:13:49.159 I'm saying that, like diving into specifically left handed path 3668 03:13:49.479 --> 03:13:52.040 and delving into the dark side, knowing that that is 3669 03:13:52.079 --> 03:13:53.040 the dark side, Yeah, I would. 3670 03:13:53.040 --> 03:13:54.559 I would make that comparison, sure. 3671 03:13:55.200 --> 03:13:56.879 Yeah, I mean to each their own. I'm not trying 3672 03:13:56.879 --> 03:13:59.159 to convince anybody that they should be doing this. I'm 3673 03:13:59.239 --> 03:14:04.479 just showing why I don't believe that it's necessarily dark 3674 03:14:04.520 --> 03:14:06.799 for you to create a fucking ghost and try and 3675 03:14:06.799 --> 03:14:08.040 connect with it. That's all I'm saying. 3676 03:14:08.079 --> 03:14:11.079 No, no, And so getting back to that though, did 3677 03:14:11.079 --> 03:14:15.799 these people in fact create a imaginary ghost and get 3678 03:14:15.799 --> 03:14:18.440 these experiences out of it? Still kind of torn on 3679 03:14:18.520 --> 03:14:21.319 my answer on that, to be honest with you, I don't. 3680 03:14:21.360 --> 03:14:23.719 I'm still let's assume that it's not a hoax. 3681 03:14:24.200 --> 03:14:26.840 There is at least that small chance that everybody was 3682 03:14:26.879 --> 03:14:29.200 in on it, the documentary crew and all these things, 3683 03:14:29.200 --> 03:14:31.959 because then they started traveling and made a couple of 3684 03:14:32.000 --> 03:14:33.360 dollars to do these things. 3685 03:14:34.319 --> 03:14:37.200 Similar dollars for it that was never documented. 3686 03:14:37.719 --> 03:14:39.520 I mean, what they just they were traveling out of 3687 03:14:39.520 --> 03:14:41.520 their own back pockets to do these things for people. 3688 03:14:41.639 --> 03:14:42.799 I have a hard time believing that. 3689 03:14:43.319 --> 03:14:45.959 Well, I mean, I'm not saying that they absolutely did 3690 03:14:46.000 --> 03:14:49.239 or didn't. I'm just saying that it's I would say 3691 03:14:49.239 --> 03:14:51.760 that it's probably wrong to instantly assume that. 3692 03:14:52.239 --> 03:14:55.719 But even still, it's a same way that having a 3693 03:14:55.760 --> 03:14:59.639 gypsy lady come to your party anywhere from eighteen forty 3694 03:14:59.680 --> 03:15:02.319 tonight eighteen twenty to perform a seance is like a 3695 03:15:02.360 --> 03:15:05.879 party trick to your people, right, or some of those grifters, 3696 03:15:06.000 --> 03:15:09.200 sure were some of them actually doing real divination in 3697 03:15:09.200 --> 03:15:11.079 front of these people also, sure? 3698 03:15:11.840 --> 03:15:12.000 Right? 3699 03:15:12.040 --> 03:15:14.239 So I'm even if you are getting paid for your time, 3700 03:15:14.520 --> 03:15:17.680 your boy that does the demonic sacrifices, I'm not calling 3701 03:15:17.760 --> 03:15:20.040 him a grifter. He's getting paid for his time and 3702 03:15:20.079 --> 03:15:22.600 his services, but I do believe that he is physically 3703 03:15:22.639 --> 03:15:25.799 doing things and speaking to demonic entities like one hundred percent, 3704 03:15:25.840 --> 03:15:29.520 just because money's being exchanged does not make it instantaneously fake. 3705 03:15:29.639 --> 03:15:31.639 So before I even say that I'm not saying this, 3706 03:15:32.360 --> 03:15:35.639 let's assume that they are not hoaxing. And again, yes, 3707 03:15:35.639 --> 03:15:38.399 there's that small possibility of it, But just I don't 3708 03:15:38.760 --> 03:15:42.120 necessarily believe that the fact that they went on for 3709 03:15:42.159 --> 03:15:46.920 a year and saw nothing got no response. And I'm 3710 03:15:46.959 --> 03:15:50.520 sure they didn't do the exact same thing every single day, right, 3711 03:15:50.559 --> 03:15:53.440 because again, these were academic types. They're gonna try different things, 3712 03:15:53.479 --> 03:15:56.399 They're gonna see if they should sit in this kind 3713 03:15:56.399 --> 03:15:58.559 of configuration, Should we put our hands this far away? 3714 03:15:58.600 --> 03:15:59.440 Should we do so? 3715 03:16:00.079 --> 03:16:03.600 For them to do the experimentation and over the course 3716 03:16:03.600 --> 03:16:06.120 of a year, And I do not know how much 3717 03:16:06.200 --> 03:16:11.600 research Owens did into seances, right, Like, for instance, according 3718 03:16:11.639 --> 03:16:14.079 to the video we just watched, there was no candle present. 3719 03:16:14.559 --> 03:16:17.040 Was there a candle present in real life? I don't know, 3720 03:16:17.159 --> 03:16:18.799 but at least in what we just saw there wasn't. 3721 03:16:18.799 --> 03:16:21.200 And I don't remember hearing about any of the articles 3722 03:16:21.200 --> 03:16:24.079 that we read, Okay, So just throwing this out. So 3723 03:16:24.479 --> 03:16:26.799 did they maybe try a candle for the first three 3724 03:16:26.840 --> 03:16:29.120 months and then they swapped up to something else, and 3725 03:16:29.159 --> 03:16:31.159 then they swapped up to this other thing after that 3726 03:16:31.200 --> 03:16:31.680 didn't work. 3727 03:16:31.879 --> 03:16:32.360 I don't know. 3728 03:16:32.959 --> 03:16:38.840 But just assuming that it was blind trial and error, right, 3729 03:16:39.399 --> 03:16:42.719 which is fair. It's fair, especially if you're an academic type. 3730 03:16:42.760 --> 03:16:45.799 That is making an imaginary ghost. There's gonna be some 3731 03:16:45.840 --> 03:16:47.760 trial and error, bumping around in the dark until you 3732 03:16:47.799 --> 03:16:49.600 can figure out something that works for you. So that 3733 03:16:49.639 --> 03:16:51.479 makes sense that over the course of a year, once 3734 03:16:51.520 --> 03:16:53.680 a week at least, these people are getting together and 3735 03:16:53.719 --> 03:16:54.760 they're doing these things. 3736 03:16:55.040 --> 03:16:56.719 So is it possible that it took them. 3737 03:16:56.600 --> 03:16:59.600 Over a year to finally figure out the right configurations 3738 03:16:59.600 --> 03:17:01.600 and things to get a response. 3739 03:17:02.600 --> 03:17:04.639 I could see that as a possibility, sure, which is 3740 03:17:04.680 --> 03:17:05.200 what they say. 3741 03:17:06.280 --> 03:17:10.040 So I don't believe as of this moment that they 3742 03:17:10.719 --> 03:17:13.719 created a topal or eggregre or anything like that to 3743 03:17:13.799 --> 03:17:16.600 make a physical thing happen in the real world. Just 3744 03:17:16.920 --> 03:17:19.239 from what I heard and what we read here today, 3745 03:17:20.399 --> 03:17:27.280 is it possible that they were accidentally channeling or speaking 3746 03:17:27.319 --> 03:17:29.760 to a demonic entity? 3747 03:17:30.479 --> 03:17:32.799 And because these things are deceivers? 3748 03:17:32.799 --> 03:17:36.000 So like, is Philip here and like, sure, my name's Philip, 3749 03:17:36.520 --> 03:17:39.479 totally bitch, Like it could that be because that's what 3750 03:17:39.559 --> 03:17:42.600 demons do, They lie and shit, Yeah, I could see 3751 03:17:42.600 --> 03:17:47.239 that as a possibility as well, but it just yeah, 3752 03:17:47.760 --> 03:17:49.680 I don't know, I don't know how to call this one, brother. 3753 03:17:49.920 --> 03:17:51.840 I mean, I respect that from your point of view. 3754 03:17:52.079 --> 03:17:56.399 I mean, that's what you know, most probably most religious 3755 03:17:56.440 --> 03:18:02.200 people with a stupid beliefs would tend to believe. Yeah, 3756 03:18:02.200 --> 03:18:04.000 I don't come from that, So I kind of just 3757 03:18:04.040 --> 03:18:08.079 look at it for what it is, without any predisposed 3758 03:18:08.120 --> 03:18:11.200 suppositions or whatever. Right, Like, I'm looking at it for 3759 03:18:11.239 --> 03:18:13.520 what it is, not what somebody told me what it is, 3760 03:18:14.120 --> 03:18:17.440 you know, Like, all right, here's what actually happened. Can 3761 03:18:17.479 --> 03:18:19.319 we assume that it's a ghost, No, you can't assume 3762 03:18:19.319 --> 03:18:21.159 that it's a ghost. Can you assume that it's a 3763 03:18:21.200 --> 03:18:23.920 disembodied spirit, No, you can't. You can't prove that, right. 3764 03:18:24.120 --> 03:18:26.680 Can you prove that it's a demon. You can't prove 3765 03:18:26.719 --> 03:18:31.879 that either, right, But what you can potentially prove is 3766 03:18:31.600 --> 03:18:34.399 is what they were trying to prove is that they 3767 03:18:34.440 --> 03:18:37.360 painted a picture of a character. They built a whole past, 3768 03:18:37.399 --> 03:18:39.600 they built a whole history. They got the name, they 3769 03:18:39.639 --> 03:18:42.719 got all the attributes of this character, and every single 3770 03:18:42.799 --> 03:18:46.280 question that they asked it were all the things that 3771 03:18:46.319 --> 03:18:50.680 they built to that character. So to say that what 3772 03:18:50.719 --> 03:18:54.239 they were experiencing was nothing more than an emanation of 3773 03:18:54.280 --> 03:18:58.760 the projection of their imagination infused with belief and intention, 3774 03:18:59.280 --> 03:19:01.280 that's what I think is actually going on. And that's 3775 03:19:01.319 --> 03:19:03.079 what I think is actually going on. Whenever people go 3776 03:19:03.079 --> 03:19:05.600 ghost hunting. I think that's probably what's going on. Whenever 3777 03:19:05.639 --> 03:19:10.399 people are talking to spirits and angels and deities and all. 3778 03:19:10.440 --> 03:19:12.559 I think that that's all that it is. And now 3779 03:19:12.719 --> 03:19:16.120 that's not to you know, diminish people's beliefs. I mean, 3780 03:19:16.120 --> 03:19:19.000 I'm only one person. That's my belief right, right. That's 3781 03:19:19.000 --> 03:19:22.440 not to say that what you're communicating with on the 3782 03:19:22.479 --> 03:19:24.399 other side, whatever it is, maybe you think it's an 3783 03:19:24.440 --> 03:19:26.719 ancest or whatever. It's not to say that like you're 3784 03:19:26.760 --> 03:19:30.959 silly for believing that, because obviously there's something that is 3785 03:19:31.000 --> 03:19:34.639 going on, Like there's something that's happening, and multiple people 3786 03:19:34.719 --> 03:19:36.799 can sit there and see it and document it and 3787 03:19:36.840 --> 03:19:40.000 feel it, and they know that it's real somehow, some way. 3788 03:19:40.440 --> 03:19:43.680 So that's what you gotta take, right, Like, if you 3789 03:19:43.799 --> 03:19:46.120 just take it for what it is, for what they said, 3790 03:19:46.479 --> 03:19:49.000 for what they were aiming to do, you have to 3791 03:19:49.000 --> 03:19:52.200 boil it down to this was something that was emanating 3792 03:19:52.319 --> 03:19:56.639 from their own imagination somehow physically, and so that's all 3793 03:19:56.639 --> 03:19:56.920 it is. 3794 03:19:57.799 --> 03:20:01.000 But you also keep in mind the same a clause example, 3795 03:20:01.399 --> 03:20:06.000 these eight people like truly believing that Philip was going 3796 03:20:06.040 --> 03:20:08.760 to come there and do something I would. I would 3797 03:20:08.799 --> 03:20:13.680 wager that out of the millions of children every Christmas 3798 03:20:13.719 --> 03:20:16.840 Eve night that believe that Santa is gonna be real 3799 03:20:17.200 --> 03:20:20.079 and they don't get real Santa responses, I feel like 3800 03:20:20.120 --> 03:20:22.959 their belief is a little more powerful than eight grown 3801 03:20:23.040 --> 03:20:26.280 ups who are doing this knowing that it's imaginary. So 3802 03:20:26.399 --> 03:20:28.920 if one's gonna create a tulpa and one's not, I 3803 03:20:28.959 --> 03:20:30.879 feel like the kids have a way better shot of 3804 03:20:30.879 --> 03:20:33.159 creating a real life Santa Claus than these adults do 3805 03:20:33.239 --> 03:20:34.079 a flipping a table. 3806 03:20:34.520 --> 03:20:36.120 Have you never felt this Christmas spirit? 3807 03:20:37.120 --> 03:20:40.559 That's not physically manifesting Santa Claus. That's not at all 3808 03:20:40.559 --> 03:20:41.000 what that is. 3809 03:20:41.040 --> 03:20:42.600 But have you ever felt the Christmas spirit? 3810 03:20:44.319 --> 03:20:45.239 That's not the same thing. 3811 03:20:45.319 --> 03:20:46.600 No, have you ever felt the Christmas? 3812 03:20:46.879 --> 03:20:47.840 Yes? What's your point? 3813 03:20:48.079 --> 03:20:50.559 My point is is that the Tulpa doesn't need to 3814 03:20:50.600 --> 03:20:53.120 show up in any kind of physical emanation. Sometimes it 3815 03:20:53.239 --> 03:20:55.799 just shows up as a fucking energetic thing. 3816 03:20:56.479 --> 03:20:59.159 But they're saying that it showed up and knocked the 3817 03:20:59.200 --> 03:21:01.639 table and flip didn't things that's physical things. 3818 03:21:02.239 --> 03:21:04.399 They also called upon Santa Claus, and Santa Claus did 3819 03:21:04.399 --> 03:21:04.920 the same thing. 3820 03:21:05.239 --> 03:21:07.040 My point is didn't. 3821 03:21:08.040 --> 03:21:09.600 That's what they said. We read it. 3822 03:21:10.719 --> 03:21:13.639 No, Santa Claus doesn't physically do things. 3823 03:21:13.760 --> 03:21:17.440 He's not real In the document that we were reading, 3824 03:21:17.479 --> 03:21:20.200 they called upon Santa Claus. They asked it questions, it 3825 03:21:20.239 --> 03:21:22.360 was responding. I'm not saying it was fucking Santa Claus. 3826 03:21:22.520 --> 03:21:25.559 What I'm saying is is that they named something that 3827 03:21:25.600 --> 03:21:28.079 they thought that they were communicating with out of fun, 3828 03:21:28.600 --> 03:21:32.200 and it responded, was it Santa Claus. No way of 3829 03:21:32.280 --> 03:21:35.159 proving that most likely wasn't. Not even saying that it 3830 03:21:35.280 --> 03:21:38.319 was the egregor of Santa Claus. What I'm saying is 3831 03:21:38.319 --> 03:21:41.959 is that because they believed it was in that moment 3832 03:21:42.120 --> 03:21:46.079 as a group, that somehow that energy emanated from them 3833 03:21:46.120 --> 03:21:50.600 and caused some kind of physical manifestation. That's all I'm saying. 3834 03:21:50.879 --> 03:21:52.799 Okay, I feel like you're missing my point. I feel 3835 03:21:52.799 --> 03:21:54.600 like I'm missing yours. I'm gonna be honest with you. 3836 03:21:55.280 --> 03:21:57.399 If they were calling upon a thing they made up 3837 03:21:57.920 --> 03:22:01.399 and they got responses, there are millions of children that 3838 03:22:01.479 --> 03:22:04.479 call upon something made up and get no response, And 3839 03:22:04.520 --> 03:22:06.680 I feel like the millions of children have way more 3840 03:22:06.680 --> 03:22:08.159 belief than these eight adults. 3841 03:22:08.559 --> 03:22:11.120 So if of the two, I feel like the children. 3842 03:22:10.760 --> 03:22:13.639 Would be more likely to get a real Santa Claus 3843 03:22:13.680 --> 03:22:16.319 experience than these adults did with flipping a table. 3844 03:22:17.520 --> 03:22:22.799 Sure, sure, I mean how many people. I mean, if 3845 03:22:22.799 --> 03:22:25.840 we're gonna take it there, how many people you know 3846 03:22:26.000 --> 03:22:27.920 they they got hands on them. 3847 03:22:27.760 --> 03:22:29.959 By I'll say it's going religious, I'll bet you. 3848 03:22:30.360 --> 03:22:32.600 I mean, look, if we're gonna call one thing dumb 3849 03:22:32.680 --> 03:22:35.040 and regarded, we're gonna call something else dumb and regarded 3850 03:22:35.079 --> 03:22:36.680 to you know what I'm saying, we're talking about made 3851 03:22:36.719 --> 03:22:40.000 up things only here we're not talking about religious experiences. 3852 03:22:40.079 --> 03:22:42.040 This is where you get to the insulting side of things. 3853 03:22:42.040 --> 03:22:45.120 We're keeping it to imaginary things. Santa Claus imaginary. 3854 03:22:45.159 --> 03:22:49.520 It's how I'm the only one that can insult. That's 3855 03:22:49.680 --> 03:22:50.600 that's crazy to me. 3856 03:22:51.239 --> 03:22:53.799 No, No, you insulting an entire religion is different than 3857 03:22:53.840 --> 03:22:56.760 me saying Santa Claus is a real dog. I'm talking 3858 03:22:56.760 --> 03:22:59.639 about Santa Claus and Philip. You said something about laying hands, 3859 03:22:59.639 --> 03:23:01.040 and that was about to ask you were you about 3860 03:23:01.040 --> 03:23:02.639 to go to religious and you know you were, you 3861 03:23:02.680 --> 03:23:03.079 know you were. 3862 03:23:03.600 --> 03:23:10.040 Let's say, fucking I don't know the name any other 3863 03:23:10.280 --> 03:23:13.520 sect of group that what that claims that if you 3864 03:23:13.600 --> 03:23:16.159 put hands on somebody and you say a prayer and 3865 03:23:16.239 --> 03:23:20.079 you get healed. What is that If it's not a religion, 3866 03:23:20.680 --> 03:23:23.520 If it's not a religion that you agree on, and 3867 03:23:23.920 --> 03:23:26.040 you're not going to agree with this all, I'm just 3868 03:23:26.079 --> 03:23:31.319 making a point. What my belief is is that that 3869 03:23:32.159 --> 03:23:36.000 power is that is coursing through one's vadan's whenever they 3870 03:23:36.120 --> 03:23:38.559 lay hands on somebody to heal them, not even saying 3871 03:23:38.559 --> 03:23:41.440 any specific religion, because they probably all talk about it, right, 3872 03:23:42.520 --> 03:23:45.280 certain medicine men and medicine women of old, right like 3873 03:23:45.360 --> 03:23:48.479 they all talk about it some kind of fucking human 3874 03:23:48.520 --> 03:23:52.000 to human healing or just human healing. Right. I believe 3875 03:23:52.920 --> 03:23:55.600 this is my own personal belief. I believe that that 3876 03:23:55.760 --> 03:23:59.479 power is coming from the individual. It's not being called 3877 03:23:59.559 --> 03:24:02.719 upon a spirit, it's not being helped by an entity 3878 03:24:03.120 --> 03:24:07.479 it is. It's not aliens, it's not ancestors, it's not 3879 03:24:07.680 --> 03:24:10.639 fucking cats a quattle, you know what I'm saying. Like 3880 03:24:10.639 --> 03:24:14.399 I'm not, I don't believe that. I believe that every 3881 03:24:14.799 --> 03:24:19.239 single thing that we're talking about is capable within us, 3882 03:24:19.920 --> 03:24:22.840 and I believe just personally outside looking in this might 3883 03:24:22.840 --> 03:24:24.760 be an oostic point of view, I believe that this 3884 03:24:24.840 --> 03:24:26.879 is what Jesus was talking about whenever he said that 3885 03:24:26.920 --> 03:24:29.520 you'll be able to do all these things and more. 3886 03:24:29.559 --> 03:24:31.719 Just my personal take on it. I'm allowed to have 3887 03:24:31.760 --> 03:24:32.760 a take on Jesus. 3888 03:24:32.799 --> 03:24:37.440 You are you are, which that's your That is your opinion, 3889 03:24:37.440 --> 03:24:39.079 and you have a right to have that, for sure. 3890 03:24:41.239 --> 03:24:41.840 I see. 3891 03:24:41.920 --> 03:24:43.680 I think this is where you and I differ in 3892 03:24:43.719 --> 03:24:46.200 a lot of ways as far as humanity is concerned. 3893 03:24:46.760 --> 03:24:50.799 You think that the human being is way stronger and 3894 03:24:50.799 --> 03:24:54.360 way more powerful than what we previously have thought. And 3895 03:24:54.440 --> 03:24:57.040 I can agree with that to a certain extent. But 3896 03:24:57.120 --> 03:25:00.399 I also believe that humans have certain limitations. Believe that 3897 03:25:00.479 --> 03:25:03.280 this flesh suit that we currently are living within is 3898 03:25:03.399 --> 03:25:04.920 very weak and it's gonna. 3899 03:25:04.680 --> 03:25:06.200 Die and it's going to go back to the earth. 3900 03:25:06.479 --> 03:25:08.639 And I believe that our soul, while it is inside 3901 03:25:08.639 --> 03:25:10.959 of our body, is disconnected from our body. 3902 03:25:11.200 --> 03:25:13.079 Right, we are souls having a human experience. 3903 03:25:13.120 --> 03:25:15.000 No, I actually I don't agree with that. I'm not 3904 03:25:15.079 --> 03:25:17.479 even saying that the human can do it. I'm saying 3905 03:25:17.520 --> 03:25:20.520 that the soul in the human has those capabilities. I'm 3906 03:25:20.520 --> 03:25:22.440 not saying that a fucking meat suit can do this. 3907 03:25:22.479 --> 03:25:24.799 I'm saying the magic that is attached to the meat 3908 03:25:24.799 --> 03:25:25.479 suit can do it. 3909 03:25:26.079 --> 03:25:29.000 But we're talking about the laying of physical human hands, right, 3910 03:25:29.040 --> 03:25:32.120 That's this is flesh suit hands touching on flesh suit 3911 03:25:32.159 --> 03:25:34.000 body to heal the flesh suit body. 3912 03:25:34.120 --> 03:25:37.959 The energy courses through. This is what fucking they talk 3913 03:25:38.000 --> 03:25:41.959 about with chi right, like it's prana, it's fucking it's 3914 03:25:42.399 --> 03:25:44.920 you can't scoff on it. I mean thousands of years 3915 03:25:44.920 --> 03:25:46.399 of privacy people doing that. 3916 03:25:46.959 --> 03:25:49.280 No, No, I know, I've been talking about I have 3917 03:25:49.360 --> 03:25:51.040 been harnessing my chia lately, and I do have a 3918 03:25:51.120 --> 03:25:53.159 video that I'm gonna shoot here soon. But that's that's 3919 03:25:53.200 --> 03:25:57.799 a conversation for another day. But anyway, anyway, but yeah, 3920 03:25:57.840 --> 03:26:00.399 there's I'm not saying that the soul is not way 3921 03:26:00.440 --> 03:26:02.399 more powerful or even the human body, even this flesh 3922 03:26:02.440 --> 03:26:06.479 suit is way stronger than what we think realistically. 3923 03:26:06.479 --> 03:26:08.559 Whenever, and there's so many experiments that have. 3924 03:26:08.520 --> 03:26:12.079 Been done on this, Right, whenever you're running and you've 3925 03:26:12.079 --> 03:26:14.120 been running and running running, and you feel like I'm done, 3926 03:26:14.200 --> 03:26:16.559 my muscles are going out, I can't breathe whatever. 3927 03:26:17.079 --> 03:26:18.079 In reality, you're. 3928 03:26:17.959 --> 03:26:21.639 Only about sixty percent of the way maybe to what 3929 03:26:21.680 --> 03:26:25.319 your body's physically capable of accomplishing your mind is going 3930 03:26:25.399 --> 03:26:28.040 to tell you to stop will before your body is 3931 03:26:28.079 --> 03:26:31.079 actually going to quit on you. That's That's an example 3932 03:26:31.120 --> 03:26:33.319 of how this flesh suit is way stronger than what 3933 03:26:33.360 --> 03:26:35.440 your mind allows you to believe about it. 3934 03:26:36.239 --> 03:26:39.600 It depends on the individual, because there are individual individuals 3935 03:26:39.600 --> 03:26:41.840 that push it even past the limits. Like look at 3936 03:26:41.879 --> 03:26:46.120 Dale jargons right, like you can, like you, your mind 3937 03:26:46.200 --> 03:26:48.559 even beyond your mind, the thing that is observing, the 3938 03:26:48.639 --> 03:26:51.200 thing that is controlling your mind, which is not your mind, 3939 03:26:52.319 --> 03:26:55.319 the you that is you that always has been right 3940 03:26:55.440 --> 03:26:58.520 before and after human fucking incarnation, whatever you want to 3941 03:26:58.559 --> 03:27:02.440 call it, whatever that is is capable of having a 3942 03:27:02.479 --> 03:27:05.559 will and a spirit to push and exceed whatever your 3943 03:27:05.639 --> 03:27:10.920 human fleshoot is capable of. Like for sure, that's you 3944 03:27:10.920 --> 03:27:13.280 would agree with that, right, Yeah, for sure. What I'm 3945 03:27:13.319 --> 03:27:18.559 saying is is that that power, that energy, that fucking spark, 3946 03:27:18.639 --> 03:27:22.600 whatever it is within you, has the ability to do 3947 03:27:22.719 --> 03:27:25.319 these things. I'm not saying that the human can. I'm 3948 03:27:25.360 --> 03:27:28.399 not saying that somebody without any No. It has to 3949 03:27:28.440 --> 03:27:30.959 be guided, it has to be intended, it has to 3950 03:27:31.000 --> 03:27:34.399 be practiced. It has to be like something that you harness. 3951 03:27:34.680 --> 03:27:36.559 You know, you can't just wake up one day and say, oh, 3952 03:27:36.600 --> 03:27:38.760 I have chi stright here in my hands. No, it's 3953 03:27:38.760 --> 03:27:40.760 something that you got to like meditate on. You gotta 3954 03:27:41.120 --> 03:27:44.680 you know, eat healthy and all the whatever you gotta 3955 03:27:44.719 --> 03:27:47.840 do to attain fucking chi or whatever that is. Like, 3956 03:27:48.760 --> 03:27:51.399 what I'm saying is is that it's beyond what the 3957 03:27:51.520 --> 03:27:55.120 human is. We are beyond what the human is, and 3958 03:27:55.200 --> 03:27:59.799 whatever that is, I think is what makes these fucking 3959 03:28:00.079 --> 03:28:06.280 emanations happen. That's what that's my suggestion to this. I'm 3960 03:28:06.319 --> 03:28:09.719 not saying it's demonic. I think that people and this 3961 03:28:09.760 --> 03:28:13.159 is where we differ is that, you know, most people 3962 03:28:13.200 --> 03:28:15.840 will say, oh, we're just people, we're just humans, We're 3963 03:28:15.840 --> 03:28:19.239 not capable of these kinds of things. I disagree. I 3964 03:28:19.840 --> 03:28:22.319 take it a step farther and say, well, I think 3965 03:28:22.360 --> 03:28:25.719 that these things can be achieved by somebody who practices, 3966 03:28:25.799 --> 03:28:29.520 by somebody who continues, by somebody who is constantly trying 3967 03:28:29.559 --> 03:28:33.120 to you know, build the best version of themselves, and 3968 03:28:33.280 --> 03:28:36.399 you know, the whole spiritual practice whatever it is, sure right, 3969 03:28:36.520 --> 03:28:41.079 sure withholding seed and whatnot, right like all those things. 3970 03:28:41.319 --> 03:28:44.000 That shit kills me, dude, which like I can understand 3971 03:28:44.000 --> 03:28:46.000 what they mean by it. And I'm not disagreeing with it, 3972 03:28:46.040 --> 03:28:48.159 but some of them people take it away too far, 3973 03:28:48.159 --> 03:28:50.000 and you'll get these guys like, yeah, I withhold seed 3974 03:28:50.040 --> 03:28:51.639 and that's why when I walk in a room, women 3975 03:28:51.760 --> 03:28:52.559 notice and it's. 3976 03:28:52.440 --> 03:28:55.239 Like, yeah, that's why that's no. 3977 03:28:55.319 --> 03:29:00.200 There absolutely, there, absolutely is something to like the whole 3978 03:29:00.239 --> 03:29:05.120 idea of no November, right, Like that's that's probably founded 3979 03:29:05.559 --> 03:29:09.559 on people who said, wow, I like, man, look at 3980 03:29:09.559 --> 03:29:11.799 the rest of this world. Whenever I'm not constantly thinking 3981 03:29:11.799 --> 03:29:15.719 about fucking something like no, yeah, that's there's something to that, sure, 3982 03:29:15.760 --> 03:29:19.520 And I think that that's why probably kids are you know, 3983 03:29:19.600 --> 03:29:22.159 a little bit more powerful whenever it comes to like 3984 03:29:22.239 --> 03:29:24.680 this kind of shit in a sense, like their imagination 3985 03:29:24.840 --> 03:29:28.200 is a little bit more because they're not they're not 3986 03:29:28.360 --> 03:29:31.680 concerned with what adults are concerned with, right, they don't 3987 03:29:31.719 --> 03:29:35.959 have those limitations, like the the imagination is limitless, which 3988 03:29:36.319 --> 03:29:38.440 you know, if you say that there's a fucking Santa 3989 03:29:38.479 --> 03:29:41.879 Claus that is flying with flying reindeer and he's delivering 3990 03:29:42.200 --> 03:29:45.360 you know, to billions of homes in one night, they 3991 03:29:45.399 --> 03:29:48.440 don't need proof. They just fucking believe it because there's 3992 03:29:48.479 --> 03:29:51.959 not borders on their imagination and that's I don't know, 3993 03:29:52.000 --> 03:29:52.639 I'm not trying. 3994 03:29:52.479 --> 03:29:56.120 To get that's also sometimes to their detriment. Right, there's 3995 03:29:56.200 --> 03:30:01.200 examples of people using children in their naivety toward to 3996 03:30:01.719 --> 03:30:05.239 for the adults means, for example, shit viet non war 3997 03:30:05.360 --> 03:30:07.360 or Afghanistan. You give a kid a hand grenade and 3998 03:30:07.399 --> 03:30:09.079 tell them, hey, go in that tent and pull this pin, 3999 03:30:09.559 --> 03:30:11.159 and uh, it's gonna give you candy. 4000 03:30:12.559 --> 03:30:14.600 Sure, And I'm not saying that you shouldn't have some 4001 03:30:14.719 --> 03:30:17.520 kind of growdedness, But what I am saying is is 4002 03:30:17.559 --> 03:30:20.520 that sometimes the walls that people build in their own 4003 03:30:20.600 --> 03:30:23.000 mind are to their own detriment as well. Would you 4004 03:30:23.000 --> 03:30:23.639 disagree with that? 4005 03:30:26.239 --> 03:30:26.760 What do you mean? 4006 03:30:27.319 --> 03:30:29.520 So most of the time when people have anxiety, that 4007 03:30:29.639 --> 03:30:32.680 shit that they built up on the inside, like that 4008 03:30:32.799 --> 03:30:35.079 is a that is a thing that you built up 4009 03:30:35.280 --> 03:30:38.600 anxiety All all an anxiety actually is if you really 4010 03:30:38.600 --> 03:30:40.159 think about it, and this is something that I've heard 4011 03:30:40.159 --> 03:30:42.479 from Saguru. Whatever you think about them, but it makes 4012 03:30:42.479 --> 03:30:46.959 sense to me. All anxiety is is a fucking worry 4013 03:30:47.159 --> 03:30:51.079 of the future of something that hasn't happened yet. And 4014 03:30:51.079 --> 03:30:54.959 and like all a depression, whenever you feel depressed, all 4015 03:30:55.040 --> 03:30:57.760 it is is you are trying to bring the past 4016 03:30:57.799 --> 03:31:00.000 to the present. And that's technically what people are doing 4017 03:31:00.040 --> 03:31:03.239 whenever they're depressed, is that they're they're focusing on a 4018 03:31:03.319 --> 03:31:06.440 past event, of which makes them sad and it makes 4019 03:31:06.520 --> 03:31:09.520 them feel that in this moment didn't even happen right now, 4020 03:31:09.680 --> 03:31:11.719 happened a long time ago, maybe it happened a week ago, 4021 03:31:11.799 --> 03:31:15.479 a year ago, ten years ago, whatever. You're essentially fucking 4022 03:31:15.639 --> 03:31:18.840 time traveling that energy to this current moment right now. 4023 03:31:19.000 --> 03:31:21.799 That's the idea between depression and anxiety, which are the 4024 03:31:21.840 --> 03:31:23.959 walls that we build up in our own dan minds 4025 03:31:24.120 --> 03:31:27.719 to prevent us from becoming maybe what we're meant to become. 4026 03:31:29.000 --> 03:31:30.799 I think there's something to be set for that for sure. 4027 03:31:31.280 --> 03:31:34.079 So I mean inzach Guru, you've even talked shit on 4028 03:31:34.159 --> 03:31:36.280 him before. I mean, he wants to reduce the world's 4029 03:31:36.280 --> 03:31:38.760 population and he's been like very open about that, and 4030 03:31:38.799 --> 03:31:41.360 the dude's a fucking nut job in so many regards. 4031 03:31:41.399 --> 03:31:43.479 Oh yeah, I'm not even saying that. Like dude, I 4032 03:31:43.520 --> 03:31:46.479 mean he's Hindu. I like some Hindu beliefs, just like 4033 03:31:46.520 --> 03:31:48.799 I like some Christian beliefs. I like some Buddhist beliefs. 4034 03:31:48.840 --> 03:31:50.879 I like some fucking daois. I like I pick and 4035 03:31:50.920 --> 03:31:52.879 choose a little bit from all of them. That's the 4036 03:31:52.959 --> 03:31:57.319 idea of you know, like my philosophy, you know. 4037 03:31:57.399 --> 03:32:00.559 Like they're very eclectic, that's for sure. The coexist sticker 4038 03:32:00.600 --> 03:32:01.639 is really where I like to go. 4039 03:32:01.959 --> 03:32:04.799 So so anyway, yeah, I don't know where I was 4040 03:32:04.840 --> 03:32:07.680 going with that, but I don't know. All I'm saying 4041 03:32:07.760 --> 03:32:10.360 is is that it doesn't always have to be evil, 4042 03:32:10.680 --> 03:32:12.879 you know, because most of the time evil is just 4043 03:32:12.959 --> 03:32:14.559 what you don't understand. 4044 03:32:15.120 --> 03:32:17.079 Well, I mean, and to that point, this is where 4045 03:32:17.120 --> 03:32:20.799 you would usually go to the whole test, the spirit conversation, 4046 03:32:21.040 --> 03:32:24.280 but with this one, they pretty much had no spirit 4047 03:32:24.319 --> 03:32:25.200 associated with it. 4048 03:32:25.399 --> 03:32:27.399 That that was the whole point, was to keep it 4049 03:32:27.440 --> 03:32:28.399 as neutral on. 4050 03:32:28.479 --> 03:32:32.879 The spirituality side of things, on even the real life 4051 03:32:32.920 --> 03:32:35.239 ghost side of things. It was an imaginary ghost start 4052 03:32:35.239 --> 03:32:38.799 to finish, right, So the experiences that they did have, 4053 03:32:38.920 --> 03:32:41.600 and assuming that it's not a hoax, right, assuming that 4054 03:32:41.680 --> 03:32:44.319 these things physically did happen as they say that they did, 4055 03:32:45.120 --> 03:32:47.639 I would say, well, if we are in a binary 4056 03:32:47.719 --> 03:32:49.520 world and there is only black and white, and there's 4057 03:32:49.559 --> 03:32:51.360 a good and a bad, and all these things, and 4058 03:32:51.399 --> 03:32:55.079 even if it was human interaction whatever. So did this 4059 03:32:55.159 --> 03:32:59.000 thing which side of the conversation did this thing further? 4060 03:33:00.600 --> 03:33:01.079 What do you mean? 4061 03:33:02.399 --> 03:33:07.520 So, did this experiment make people double down on their 4062 03:33:07.520 --> 03:33:10.079 beliefs or did it make them start questioning their beliefs? 4063 03:33:10.840 --> 03:33:11.639 Did it start? 4064 03:33:11.879 --> 03:33:12.200 Uh? 4065 03:33:12.239 --> 03:33:14.799 Well, it depends on what their preconceived notions were and 4066 03:33:15.000 --> 03:33:17.719 if it aligned or didn't align. And so if something 4067 03:33:17.760 --> 03:33:20.879 aligns with what you believe, then you're more inclined to 4068 03:33:20.920 --> 03:33:23.639 believe it. If something doesn't align with what you believe, 4069 03:33:24.040 --> 03:33:27.920 then either a the thing that you're questioning is wrong 4070 03:33:28.479 --> 03:33:31.479 or you think there's something to it, and now it's 4071 03:33:31.520 --> 03:33:34.200 battling up against what your beliefs are. So that's kind 4072 03:33:34.200 --> 03:33:37.200 of like the mentality around it is what preconceived notions 4073 03:33:37.239 --> 03:33:39.639 are you taking in there with it? If you're looking 4074 03:33:39.719 --> 03:33:42.159 at it as if this is real, it is demonic, 4075 03:33:42.479 --> 03:33:44.879 then of course whenever you go in quote unquote test 4076 03:33:44.920 --> 03:33:47.200 the spirit, it's going to feel demonic because that's your 4077 03:33:47.200 --> 03:33:49.799 preconceived notion. Whereas if you look at it from an 4078 03:33:49.799 --> 03:33:53.120 open minded point of view, I'm not making any preconceived notions. 4079 03:33:53.159 --> 03:33:55.600 I'm accepting it for the data that is being collected 4080 03:33:55.959 --> 03:33:58.319 then now looking at it for what it is, a 4081 03:33:58.399 --> 03:34:01.559 table knock? Is that scared? Is it demonic? Does it 4082 03:34:01.600 --> 03:34:04.319 instantly assume that there's monsters in some kind of ethereal 4083 03:34:04.360 --> 03:34:06.680 realm that are only out to, you know, harvest your 4084 03:34:06.680 --> 03:34:10.000 fucking loosh. That's a that's that's that's a lot of 4085 03:34:10.079 --> 03:34:12.479 fucking assuming. That's what I'm trying to say. 4086 03:34:14.040 --> 03:34:16.399 The whole lush energy thing also kills me, but that's 4087 03:34:16.399 --> 03:34:21.760 a conversation for another day. But yeah, I guess what 4088 03:34:21.760 --> 03:34:24.920 I should think is did this make anybody want to 4089 03:34:24.959 --> 03:34:27.799 get closer to God or further away from God? That's 4090 03:34:27.840 --> 03:34:29.239 what I mean by testing the spirit? 4091 03:34:29.280 --> 03:34:32.479 Well, it depends on what your belief of God is, 4092 03:34:32.840 --> 03:34:36.000 because there's there's multiple Like, my belief of God is 4093 03:34:36.000 --> 03:34:37.000 not your belief of God. 4094 03:34:37.239 --> 03:34:40.319 Right, you don't necessarily believe in him? 4095 03:34:40.920 --> 03:34:43.399 Well, I mean I don't believe that God is a 4096 03:34:43.479 --> 03:34:45.959 hymn or her personally. 4097 03:34:47.319 --> 03:34:52.200 Okay, you focused on the hymn moniker of that rather 4098 03:34:52.239 --> 03:34:54.520 than that you don't necessarily believe part. 4099 03:34:54.559 --> 03:34:57.239 Well, No, I believe in God, but I also don't 4100 03:34:57.239 --> 03:34:59.680 believe that God is separate from me. You do, and 4101 03:34:59.680 --> 03:35:02.040 nothing nothing against you. It's just you know, most religious 4102 03:35:02.040 --> 03:35:03.600 people believe that God is outside of them. 4103 03:35:04.479 --> 03:35:05.120 This is true. 4104 03:35:05.200 --> 03:35:07.440 I believe. I believe that we all kind of have, 4105 03:35:07.879 --> 03:35:11.000 you know, essences of God personally. That's just my belief. 4106 03:35:11.040 --> 03:35:13.479 I'm not trying to shit on anybody else's belief No, No, 4107 03:35:13.280 --> 03:35:16.200 the love of God, don't fry me. I'm an individual. 4108 03:35:16.239 --> 03:35:18.559 I'm allowed to have my own opinion on things. No, 4109 03:35:18.680 --> 03:35:19.920 you absolutely are you absolutely? 4110 03:35:20.000 --> 03:35:22.520 I didn't take it as like you insulting on that one. 4111 03:35:22.520 --> 03:35:24.479 What it means I know, but some people would. 4112 03:35:25.479 --> 03:35:28.479 Yeah, So I don't know. Is it possible they were 4113 03:35:28.520 --> 03:35:29.319 talking to a demon? 4114 03:35:29.680 --> 03:35:30.079 Maybe? 4115 03:35:30.399 --> 03:35:32.840 Is it possible it was all a hoax? Also? 4116 03:35:32.920 --> 03:35:37.040 Maybe is it possible that they imagine something into existence 4117 03:35:37.040 --> 03:35:39.760 and that's what was doing the things and stuff? From 4118 03:35:39.799 --> 03:35:42.600 my vantage point, no, but I could also understand, especially 4119 03:35:42.639 --> 03:35:44.600 from somebody like you that does believe in Tulpa's and 4120 03:35:44.600 --> 03:35:47.319 eggregres and things like this, you might take it more 4121 03:35:47.319 --> 03:35:51.280 into that conversation. So I get it, And honestly, I 4122 03:35:51.280 --> 03:35:52.440 don't know what to call on this one. 4123 03:35:52.520 --> 03:35:52.799 Dude. 4124 03:35:53.200 --> 03:35:55.239 Yeah, I mean, hey, that's why I wanted to bring 4125 03:35:55.239 --> 03:35:56.680 it up. I thought, Hey, you know what, we're in 4126 03:35:56.719 --> 03:35:58.920 spooky season. Let's get a little spooky. Let's get a 4127 03:35:58.959 --> 03:36:01.280 little weird. You know, a lot of people were, you know, 4128 03:36:01.399 --> 03:36:03.680 probably watching a little bit of Halloween Town, if that's 4129 03:36:03.719 --> 03:36:05.440 still a popular fun thing. 4130 03:36:05.520 --> 03:36:08.440 I tried watching people watched one, two, and three this week. 4131 03:36:08.799 --> 03:36:10.520 I tried watching it with the kids. They thought it 4132 03:36:10.559 --> 03:36:12.399 was boring. I was like, damn, this shit was awesome 4133 03:36:12.440 --> 03:36:14.319 in my time. Halloween Toime was the shit while I 4134 03:36:14.360 --> 03:36:14.920 was growing up. 4135 03:36:15.360 --> 03:36:18.360 Fucking right, it is, dude, get down on that shit. 4136 03:36:18.440 --> 03:36:20.280 Just earlier today, I was watching the new well, the 4137 03:36:20.280 --> 03:36:23.600 newer hocus Pocus, and I still believe that it's better 4138 03:36:23.600 --> 03:36:25.440 than the first one. That's just my personal belief. But 4139 03:36:25.639 --> 03:36:29.319 you are crazy for that, I know. And normally I 4140 03:36:29.399 --> 03:36:32.760 do like the original more like Toy Story one is 4141 03:36:32.760 --> 03:36:34.719 always going to be the best toy story in my opinion. 4142 03:36:34.840 --> 03:36:36.760 And I've to be honest, I haven't. I haven't even 4143 03:36:36.799 --> 03:36:39.120 seen the I don't know the last two or three 4144 03:36:39.159 --> 03:36:42.799 of them. I've only ever watched the first and second one. 4145 03:36:43.000 --> 03:36:45.799 I'll say this is far the Toy Story thing is concerned. 4146 03:36:45.840 --> 03:36:49.159 It stayed to the original character arcs very well, and 4147 03:36:49.280 --> 03:36:53.079 like each newer edition plays off of the last one 4148 03:36:53.280 --> 03:36:55.280 very well. There's not one that goes way off the rails. 4149 03:36:55.280 --> 03:36:57.040 So it's like, wait a minute, what, what the fuck 4150 03:36:57.079 --> 03:36:59.239 are you talking about? Not a single one. They've all 4151 03:36:59.280 --> 03:37:01.760 done very well in keeping with the line of the 4152 03:37:01.799 --> 03:37:02.719 story arcs. 4153 03:37:02.520 --> 03:37:04.719 Except which the newest Buzz Lightyear movie, who are they 4154 03:37:05.239 --> 03:37:07.159 just had to make I haven't seen it? Well, yeah, 4155 03:37:07.200 --> 03:37:08.319 they made him gay, which is. 4156 03:37:08.239 --> 03:37:12.040 Weird, which is crazy because he's all into Jesse, like 4157 03:37:12.079 --> 03:37:15.239 he's trying to get some cowboy cowgirl ass over here, So. 4158 03:37:15.159 --> 03:37:18.520 Like, why why would they? I haven't seen it, which 4159 03:37:18.559 --> 03:37:21.079 is kind of funny because they he's a Buzz like 4160 03:37:21.159 --> 03:37:23.959 your space ranger. I mean, if he was gay, you'd 4161 03:37:24.000 --> 03:37:28.399 think navy right, clearly, clearly right. 4162 03:37:28.479 --> 03:37:31.280 But no, he's over here. He sees them red the 4163 03:37:31.319 --> 03:37:34.159 redhead with the freckles. He's doing backflips and ship He's like, 4164 03:37:34.280 --> 03:37:36.360 whoa like that, that's what he's into. 4165 03:37:36.719 --> 03:37:38.959 Buzz is a freak, but not that kind of freak. 4166 03:37:39.520 --> 03:37:43.120 But I, you know, gotta hold things for the time anyway, 4167 03:37:43.200 --> 03:37:45.840 good could members let us know what you think about 4168 03:37:45.840 --> 03:37:48.200 all this. I honestly can't believe that we even went 4169 03:37:48.399 --> 03:37:52.000 as far as we did. I wasn't expecting it to 4170 03:37:52.079 --> 03:37:54.719 go this far. But to be honest, I'm actually happy 4171 03:37:54.719 --> 03:37:59.200 that it did because maybe hopefully people are able to 4172 03:38:00.680 --> 03:38:03.639 look at this in a different lights, maybe even look 4173 03:38:03.680 --> 03:38:06.040 at me in a different light. For the people that 4174 03:38:06.079 --> 03:38:08.079 think that I'm out here playing with demons, maybe this 4175 03:38:08.159 --> 03:38:10.760 episode proved to you that I love demons. I don't 4176 03:38:10.760 --> 03:38:13.639 know in that case, you know, smoke methan in hell Satan, 4177 03:38:13.799 --> 03:38:16.799 but in any other case, But in any other case, 4178 03:38:16.959 --> 03:38:19.239 I do not worship the dark Lord. I do not 4179 03:38:19.360 --> 03:38:21.360 care about the dark Lord. Just because I don't believe 4180 03:38:21.399 --> 03:38:23.879 what you believe does not mean that I'm automatically playing 4181 03:38:23.879 --> 03:38:27.639 with the enemy. Okay, it's okay to you know, not 4182 03:38:27.799 --> 03:38:30.120 necessarily look at everything as if it's black and white, 4183 03:38:30.280 --> 03:38:32.520 because nothing in life is black and white. It's all 4184 03:38:32.559 --> 03:38:36.440 shades of gray, right, Like that's that's my personal opinion. 4185 03:38:36.559 --> 03:38:40.399 Like I don't know anyway, Good Cold members. As we said, 4186 03:38:40.440 --> 03:38:41.719 the best way to be able to support the show 4187 03:38:41.760 --> 03:38:43.479 is come over to Patreon dot com slash Cult of 4188 03:38:43.479 --> 03:38:46.079 Conspiracy Podcasts that links down the show notes below. But 4189 03:38:46.399 --> 03:38:50.680 if you thought this episode absolutely fucked, then you might 4190 03:38:50.680 --> 03:38:52.479 want to go and check out Adam and Eve dot com. 4191 03:38:52.719 --> 03:38:54.920 Use the promo code Cult and you'll be able to 4192 03:38:54.920 --> 03:38:57.959 get fifty percent off of your entire order, free shipping, 4193 03:38:58.000 --> 03:39:01.120 ten freak goodies, discreet shipping, or whatever the hell you want. 4194 03:39:01.239 --> 03:39:04.280 Your neighbor's never gonna find out, eh. And you know, 4195 03:39:04.520 --> 03:39:06.879 maybe maybe your wife or your husband finds it because 4196 03:39:06.879 --> 03:39:08.879 they're sneaking through your panty drawer. I don't know what 4197 03:39:08.920 --> 03:39:11.799 their problem is, but it's up to you wherever you 4198 03:39:11.840 --> 03:39:14.079 want to hide it. Maybe it's not something that you 4199 03:39:14.079 --> 03:39:16.120 even need to hide. Maybe it's something that you share together. 4200 03:39:16.239 --> 03:39:19.040 They have those things too, Okay. Most of these things 4201 03:39:19.120 --> 03:39:21.319 are things that you can include into your love life, 4202 03:39:21.360 --> 03:39:22.920 and maybe you want to spice it up a little bit. 4203 03:39:23.120 --> 03:39:27.639 Maybe you need a little uh tingling gel to make 4204 03:39:27.719 --> 03:39:30.559 things last longer, or to make things last not as long. 4205 03:39:30.639 --> 03:39:32.840 They have all of those things. 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Silver and gold have 4230 03:40:40.360 --> 03:40:43.360 always been the way that the royals and the elites 4231 03:40:43.399 --> 03:40:45.440 have stored away their money because they know that there 4232 03:40:45.479 --> 03:40:47.680 is intrinsic value in it and if you would like 4233 03:40:47.719 --> 03:40:51.639 to get some silver and gold coins buoyan minted materials, 4234 03:40:51.680 --> 03:40:53.239 then you need to go to the Lincoln the description 4235 03:40:53.319 --> 03:40:56.319 to cocsilver dot com. When you fill out your information, 4236 03:40:56.440 --> 03:40:58.120 our homeboy Wayne Clark is going to be the one 4237 03:40:58.120 --> 03:40:59.559 to reach out to you and get you squared away. 4238 03:40:59.680 --> 03:41:00.959 You want to buy a little bit, you want to 4239 03:41:01.000 --> 03:41:02.040 buy a lot of bit. You want to make a 4240 03:41:02.079 --> 03:41:05.040 monthly purchase. Listen, talk to your financial advisor, talk to 4241 03:41:05.040 --> 03:41:06.840 your CPA, talk to your account and ask them what 4242 03:41:06.920 --> 03:41:09.079 they think about investing in silver and gold. And I 4243 03:41:09.120 --> 03:41:11.959 promise you they're gonna tell you that they you everybody 4244 03:41:11.959 --> 03:41:14.120 should have at least a portion of your retirement nest 4245 03:41:14.159 --> 03:41:18.040 egg invested in precious metals. Gold is way over three 4246 03:41:18.040 --> 03:41:20.360 thousand dollars an ounce now unless you just got stacks 4247 03:41:20.360 --> 03:41:23.200 on stacks, You're not buying a brick of gold anytime soon. 4248 03:41:23.600 --> 03:41:25.799 Silver is a little bit over forty dollars an ounce 4249 03:41:25.879 --> 03:41:26.120 right now. 4250 03:41:26.159 --> 03:41:28.239 So this baby that I am holding in my hand 4251 03:41:28.319 --> 03:41:30.360 right now will be mailed to your door if you 4252 03:41:30.399 --> 03:41:32.159 go to the link of the description and buy it 4253 03:41:32.239 --> 03:41:33.200 and have it shipped to your house. 4254 03:41:33.200 --> 03:41:34.000 We're not talking. 4255 03:41:33.760 --> 03:41:37.159 About investing in the stock of gold or investing in 4256 03:41:37.200 --> 03:41:41.000 the overall price of silver. We're talking about getting real 4257 03:41:41.120 --> 03:41:43.159 gold and silver mailed to your door. 4258 03:41:43.200 --> 03:41:44.040 Do what you want with it. 4259 03:41:44.239 --> 03:41:46.520 You want to keep it in this hermetically sealed case 4260 03:41:46.559 --> 03:41:49.280 and let it just sit there and grow in value, 4261 03:41:49.319 --> 03:41:51.280 go for it. You want to take it and smelt 4262 03:41:51.319 --> 03:41:52.680 it down and make some silver jewelry. 4263 03:41:52.680 --> 03:41:52.920 Listen. 4264 03:41:52.920 --> 03:41:54.280 And I'm not gonna tell you how to do things. 4265 03:41:54.319 --> 03:41:56.520 I'm not your dad, but you know I'm just saying 4266 03:41:56.680 --> 03:41:58.079 if you want to get your hands on some silver 4267 03:41:58.120 --> 03:41:59.639 and gold, then go to the link of the description 4268 03:41:59.680 --> 03:42:01.600 se us dot com. 4269 03:42:02.200 --> 03:42:04.600 But we want to know what you think about this episode. 4270 03:42:04.680 --> 03:42:06.719 Is Jonathan on one? Am I on one? Are we 4271 03:42:06.799 --> 03:42:09.879 both completely off base? Are we both correct? We want 4272 03:42:09.920 --> 03:42:11.920 to hear from you, good cult members, and the best 4273 03:42:11.920 --> 03:42:13.440 way to do that would be too. 4274 03:42:13.319 --> 03:42:16.399 Please hit the five stars at the Shares of Life 4275 03:42:16.399 --> 03:42:18.520 describes comments the will postly review shares at the Friends 4276 03:42:18.520 --> 03:42:19.280 and Family Shareship. 4277 03:42:19.280 --> 03:42:20.120 We're here's the deal. 4278 03:42:20.399 --> 03:42:23.440 The more activity the algorithms across all of our listening platforms, 4279 03:42:23.559 --> 03:42:25.280 the more we get promoted, more potential. 4280 03:42:25.000 --> 03:42:27.079 Listeners who could become pidential cult members. 4281 03:42:27.079 --> 03:42:27.319 Talk there. 4282 03:42:27.399 --> 03:42:29.280 Steve Fite ladies and gentlemen, why are you already Go 4283 03:42:29.399 --> 03:42:29.879 check off. 4284 03:42:29.760 --> 03:42:32.040 Menimistics, Jonathan's other show and getting the same liver respect 4285 03:42:32.040 --> 03:42:33.719 over there at the five star of using the positivity 4286 03:42:33.760 --> 03:42:35.959 in the comments. Come check out the Catch and Nike 4287 03:42:36.120 --> 03:42:38.319 and come join each of us for our individual patrons 4288 03:42:38.319 --> 03:42:40.159 that we host every Wednesday night at i PM Central. 4289 03:42:40.360 --> 03:42:42.040 Links to those are in the description as well, and 4290 03:42:42.200 --> 03:42:44.159 we thank you everybody's already done so. 4291 03:42:44.399 --> 03:42:47.559 And with that being said, this was another beautiful episode 4292 03:42:47.600 --> 03:42:50.600 of the Cult of Conspiracy. And my name is Jonathan 4293 03:42:51.040 --> 03:42:53.239 from Jake and there's one very import extremely vital piece 4294 03:42:53.280 --> 03:42:55.239 of information we needed to learn just as soon to 4295 03:42:55.319 --> 03:42:57.360 ask human possible. 4296 03:43:33.159 --> 03:43:33.280 Up. 4297 03:43:34.159 --> 03:43:37.440 Hey cult members, Jacob here, just want to ask who 4298 03:43:37.520 --> 03:43:40.639 wants better sex? 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