Speaker 1: Five hundred. We did it. We made it to five hundred.
Speaker 1: Inside the Paint Podcast. I don't know how that's even possible.
Speaker 1: It seems to be. The reaction I'm getting the most
Speaker 1: is I can't believe that that's actually true, which you
Speaker 1: know we all saw coming right whenever Camp, you're new enough, Landon,
Speaker 1: You're you're you've done the majority of them, like you
Speaker 1: totally knew we were getting a five hundred, right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's absolutely what I thought when you
Speaker 2: yelled at me about Billy Preston if he should or
Speaker 2: should not play against Kentucky in my first half show.
Speaker 2: It's like, this has a long future. That is what
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask.
Speaker 1: I'll get to I was gonna ask you guys' impressions
Speaker 1: and all that. We're gonna do a little intro that
Speaker 1: pays tribute to itp Today show number five hundred of
Speaker 1: this show which began. So the first episode of Inside
Speaker 1: the Paint was in January of twenty fourteen. The first
Speaker 1: game we recapped was Kansas feeding Oklahoma. I'm freshman Wayne
Speaker 1: Selden's best game of his season to kickoff conference play.
Speaker 1: And now you fast forward twelve calendar years later, and
Speaker 1: here we are in twenty twenty five or eleven calendar
Speaker 1: years later, twelve different years, and yeah, five hundred shows
Speaker 1: and this is being recorded. So I was eighteen years
Speaker 1: old whenever I did the first ITP, and we're recording this.
Speaker 1: By the time you're listening to this, it will drop
Speaker 1: the day of my thirtieth birthday. So I literally did
Speaker 1: ITP for my whole twenties and land and you're on
Speaker 1: your way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm halfway through almost five years old. Pay off
Speaker 2: five seasons of KU basketball in my twenties. I started
Speaker 2: this when I was what seventeen, I think, Yeah, hopped
Speaker 2: on in season five and I'm twenty four. He turned
Speaker 2: in twenty five later this year, so it's been it's
Speaker 2: been a while.
Speaker 1: I'm getting there, Cam, you have I was gonna ask
Speaker 1: your first memory of ITP Landon gave his me yelling
Speaker 1: a him Billy Preston, which, of course that was very,
Speaker 1: very important because as we know Billy Preston so.
Speaker 3: Many minutes Camp shot out to Nicole player.
Speaker 1: So Cam correct and all that would be perfectly fine. Now,
Speaker 1: what is what is your first impression of ITP? And
Speaker 1: uh and yeah, here you are wrapping up your first season.
Speaker 3: I don't remember how I found Inside the Paint. Actually,
Speaker 3: I genuinely don't remember. I think I just went on
Speaker 3: Twitter and started like looking up Kansas basketball, and I
Speaker 3: think I found Rock Shock Blog. But no, I the
Speaker 3: only thing that I remember my dad. I used to
Speaker 3: My dad would come home from school, he was a
Speaker 3: school teacher, and I was doing like online classes at
Speaker 3: the time at home. I just got back from a
Speaker 3: golf school in Florida, and we would listen to Inside
Speaker 3: the Paint while getting ready to watch Kansas basketball. So
Speaker 3: that's the earliest memory I have.
Speaker 1: So I he precedes our ownership of Rock Shock Blog.
Speaker 1: I that a handful of us that have been on
Speaker 1: itp have all either written for or take part in ownership.
Speaker 1: I own part of the domain that we purchased about
Speaker 1: a year after we started ITP. So Cam you probably
Speaker 1: if that was what you remembered, you probably picked up
Speaker 1: on it in about the second season or so, which
Speaker 1: was right before the Wichita State loss.
Speaker 3: It was definitely in that in that time.
Speaker 1: That's wild. Then Landon you listened for a while and officially, yeah,
Speaker 1: so Josh and Daniel, the three of us were the
Speaker 1: were the OG three and those two we were all
Speaker 1: the same age. We all did the show whenever we
Speaker 1: were in college in person, and then those two moved
Speaker 1: on afterwards, we wouldn't be seeing each others frequently, and
Speaker 1: I needed to find new co hosts because they were
Speaker 1: far and away ready to be done with IP.
Speaker 3: I was not.
Speaker 1: And Landon, you and I worked together at a fast
Speaker 1: food job, and you listened to the show out of fandom,
Speaker 1: and we decided that that you were going to do
Speaker 1: it with Nick, who was an ask RCB question asker.
Speaker 1: That's how we found Nick, and that's similar to how
Speaker 1: we found Cam all those years later. So that's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Dan and you you've worked with three different co hosts.
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Jan Underscore Landreth, you were on this show that one
Speaker 1: time with Josh, weren't you.
Speaker 2: I've done I've done one or two with Josh and
Speaker 2: then actually I've done other things with Josh Post and
Speaker 2: outside of it TP, I'm not post. I'm not done
Speaker 2: with IP post IP for him, So, uh, I've I've
Speaker 2: gotten enough Josh a little bit. So yeah, no, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's probably him. And that was more of a
Speaker 2: joke just because I wasn't gonna say you Ryan, sorry.
Speaker 2: I like doing the show with you. Right on show
Speaker 2: five hundred, I can say I have very much enjoyed
Speaker 2: my time recording this silly, silly podcast about Bill choking
Speaker 2: in March with you.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, I wonder which So I have a
Speaker 1: couple of stats about i TP, and we are going
Speaker 1: to talk about Kansas in the second round and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But we'll get there. Let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let let us have our moment here. What do you
Speaker 1: think is the most played drop in it TP history?
Speaker 1: I have no way of knowing this.
Speaker 2: Ass or damn it, Bill easily ass.
Speaker 1: And they're right next to each other on the dropboard
Speaker 1: because they're no afthbetical order and obviously A is for
Speaker 1: and B is for Bill self. So yeah, they're right there.
Speaker 1: Not to be outdone. I definitely feel like this drop
Speaker 1: has been pushed a lot. Definitely feel like the gunshot
Speaker 1: has been pushed a lot. Land and going to Chicago, Yep,
Speaker 1: I'm going on Monday.
Speaker 3: If you want to ride.
Speaker 1: You had a good glimpse of what your casket's gonna
Speaker 1: look like. Landon. Oh no, So I reset the mac
Speaker 1: over the over the weekend. Yeah, now we're dinghy again.
Speaker 1: I need to go in and shut that down because
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna look at their phones. I think they got texts. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here are your IP stats. So we've done five
Speaker 1: hundred podcasts. I've been on all but four. I'm at
Speaker 1: four ninety six. There's an anniversary and illness and a
Speaker 1: couple of vacations. Those are the only things that have
Speaker 1: taken me away from this show four ninety six of
Speaker 1: five hundred, Land, and you are in second on the
Speaker 1: leaderboard at to ninety two of five hundred, you are
Speaker 1: over fifty percent and you've you're at about ninety percent
Speaker 1: since you joined the show eight years ago. So you
Speaker 1: started oh for like one fifty and you've since been
Speaker 1: on quite a bit two hundred and ninety two. Itps
Speaker 1: very good, barn Away in second place.
Speaker 2: Wow Show three hundred. For me personally, will be uh,
Speaker 2: how on earth did did k you only beat like
Speaker 2: Southern Illinois State by seven despite Darren Pearson's thirty five Yeah, why.
Speaker 3: Did King just lose to Duke in the Champions Classic
Speaker 3: while Marco Jackson played forty minutes and Darren Peterson played for.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's very true.
Speaker 2: My Darren Peterson is five hundred dealing with a quote
Speaker 2: unquote ankle injury that seems very suspicious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, coincided today diving on the floor.
Speaker 2: Enough.
Speaker 1: So my five hundredth personal show is four shows from now,
Speaker 1: so that is going to be the guys, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pick the over on thirty two and a half wins
Speaker 1: next year show. You already know how that's gonna go.
Speaker 1: Nick is in third at two forty four. He's obviously
Speaker 1: oh for the last many, but he did two hundred.
Speaker 1: He almost did two hundred and fifty shows. I remember
Speaker 1: mentioning that to him. I remember saying, like, you're almost
Speaker 1: a two fifty. He's like, yeah, right, I don't care.
Speaker 1: Dais at one twenty six, came back for that last
Speaker 1: year to leap over Josh who's at one twenty. Cam
Speaker 1: you are in sixth and pulling away from the pack.
Speaker 1: You're at thirty three shows now of five hundred. That
Speaker 1: is a nice seven percent. It's climbing and climbing rapidly.
Speaker 1: And then Tyler, who was my man on the first season,
Speaker 1: was in twenty six. And Scott Chason, who's since been
Speaker 1: rather relatively famous among the journalism crew here in Kansas
Speaker 1: City Sports has done seven of them with me. That's
Speaker 1: pretty cool that we've had seven different people be regular
Speaker 1: hosts on this show. Yeah, those are the numbers. That's
Speaker 1: you guys make fun of my autism sometimes, there you go,
Speaker 1: there's the benefit. Now you know how many times you're
Speaker 1: on ITP in your life.
Speaker 2: Hey, I like that. I like that.
Speaker 3: That's a good one autistic trait.
Speaker 1: I think so over that five hundred shows, we have
Speaker 1: recapped four hundred and twelve Kansas Games. So somehow we
Speaker 1: have done eighty eight shows that did not have a recap.
Speaker 1: This one is one of them. I don't know how
Speaker 1: there's been that many. I would have guessed that we're
Speaker 1: maybe about forty, not eighty eight. Four hundred and twelve
Speaker 1: Kansas games. They are three hundred, nineteen and ninety three
Speaker 1: in those four hundred and twelve games, seven Big Twelve titles,
Speaker 1: three Big Twelve tournaments, two final fours, and a national title.
Speaker 1: We've also covered ten NCAA tournament losses and uh and
Speaker 1: what did I write? One hundred?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Land and you and I you you made one
Speaker 1: hundred and twelve appearances at my house that is what
Speaker 1: that number is. Oh really because virtually, yes, one hundred
Speaker 1: and twelve times you came over to my house and
Speaker 1: we recorded with those nineteen eighties esque boom mics in
Speaker 1: my room.
Speaker 2: Hey, I often think back on those days with great fondness.
Speaker 2: I loved doing that. That's actually like, that's a wild
Speaker 2: stat to have. That's like when like the jokes people
Speaker 2: make about like, oh, when you get to Heaven, I
Speaker 2: want to know how many cups of coffee I drank.
Speaker 2: That's like pretty akin to that, But I like I
Speaker 2: have a lot. I genuinely do have a lot of
Speaker 2: memories of that though, Like I watched UMBC beat Virginia
Speaker 2: in your room. I watched Fond Digs have the walk
Speaker 2: off touchdown against the Saints at your house. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: was those were not the only ones. I'm sure I'm
Speaker 2: forgetting others as well, but there was a lot of
Speaker 2: fun stuff that happened there.
Speaker 1: And that eighty eight degree bedroom because my it was thyroid.
Speaker 1: Oh the heat, yeah, yeah, around the little the the
Speaker 1: sketchy table that was just in our hallway holding the
Speaker 1: laundry basket that we'd wheel in there to put the money. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's there's a reason. You could shoot the bullets that
Speaker 1: Landon may have to deal with soon through it, and
Speaker 1: it would still be standing after all those years carrying your.
Speaker 2: Your family's dining room chairs up your stairs.
Speaker 1: In your room exactly because I didn't keep giant chairs
Speaker 1: in my twelve x twelve child in bedroom. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so, that's a little look behind the scenes. I
Speaker 1: did actually just for you guys. So I asked the
Speaker 1: three primary co hosts that were on this show to ask.
Speaker 1: I asked them to give me a message if they
Speaker 1: have any words that they wanted transcribed over the airwaves
Speaker 1: for their five hundred show. Who would you like to
Speaker 1: hear from first? Because I have three different notes.
Speaker 2: I think Daniel has to be last, because I think
Speaker 2: Daniel has the will have something the most outrageous to say.
Speaker 1: Correct, that is the case, Cam, Who do you want first?
Speaker 3: I want Nick?
Speaker 1: Okay, let's lead off with Nick.
Speaker 2: Who did I think this is the right order?
Speaker 1: Nick did seven seasons of this show, and of everybody
Speaker 1: I've ever worked with, Nick as somebody who misses this
Speaker 1: show the least like I thought fully, it's close when
Speaker 1: Nick left and Cam and Landon at that point, Landon
Speaker 1: didn't know how what his role would be like for
Speaker 1: this year, and Cam was obviously brand new, so I
Speaker 1: had no idea if he'd hate it and run. And
Speaker 1: I remember asking Nick like, hey, you know, if I
Speaker 1: ever need a co host, would you be interested in
Speaker 1: doing a show or two? And he is just a
Speaker 1: said no, I'm good. I'm totally good man. I did
Speaker 1: my thing. And you'll hear in his notes here. It
Speaker 1: really is something when you compare Bill selves to Climate
Speaker 1: Kansas to the Inside the Paint podcast. Each had a
Speaker 1: really successful run but may have worn out. It's welcome.
Speaker 1: I won't forget the mountaintop of covering and nowtional title.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, things seem to have gotten progressively
Speaker 1: worse for both Ku and the podcast since that exact moment.
Speaker 1: I am glad to have gotten out when I get
Speaker 1: and then and then He also says you should do
Speaker 1: a fun segment about the changes from episode one to
Speaker 1: five hundred. Daniel got married and had a kid, Josh
Speaker 1: and Ryan both got married. Landon, he's gotten a little
Speaker 1: bit older. I guess, question Mark.
Speaker 2: Well, me too, buddy.
Speaker 3: That is funny. Yeah, nickled water everywhere. Oh there goes
Speaker 3: the podcast.
Speaker 2: Boys, do we need.
Speaker 3: Of the last bed is the couch because my girlfriend's
Speaker 3: sick and I just really, dude, it feel like I've
Speaker 3: pissed my pants, kind of like what Kansas did the tournament.
Speaker 3: I'm upset.
Speaker 2: Everything.
Speaker 3: Nick just said, Yeah, Nick, your segment was great, but
Speaker 3: I just ruined a couch.
Speaker 1: So here is what Josh said. Who Josh and I
Speaker 1: were childhood friends. We grew up at the same school,
Speaker 1: and we started a Chiefs podcast way before any and
Speaker 1: Josh has obviously gone on to have a successful career
Speaker 1: in kansasity radio and media. And it all began on
Speaker 1: at Mid American Azarine in the radio room with the
Speaker 1: two of us doing a KU and a Chiefs podcast
Speaker 1: way back as college freshmen. So this is Josh's phrase.
Speaker 1: I can't read the first word because it's an expletive.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing that came to mind. Five hundred
Speaker 1: seems impossible. It's legitimately crazy number, and I'm glad you
Speaker 1: guys have kept it rolling. You guys should thank Kansas
Speaker 1: Men's Basketball for ensuring that your five hundredth episode is
Speaker 1: a low stress affair. Imagine how annoying it would be
Speaker 1: to have to talk about at Sweet sixteen and episode
Speaker 1: five hundred, which I then pointed out that we tracked
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year and realized that we
Speaker 1: were on an asteroid collision course with the Round of
Speaker 1: thirty two Law Show and they didn't even make it
Speaker 1: that far. Josh says, ITP's original soundboard and jingles still
Speaker 1: live in my head, and I cannot wait to see
Speaker 1: what Perry Ellis does for Kansas next season. We did
Speaker 1: cover a lot of Harry Elis. I vividly remember all
Speaker 1: the all the Perry Ellis comments, you know, all twelve
Speaker 1: that's for me. So yeah, Josh is the most successful
Speaker 1: radio wise of anyone that's come out of this show.
Speaker 1: And then there's Daniel, who kind of like Nick, did
Speaker 1: the show for four years and then was very quickly like, nah,
Speaker 1: I did my thing. I'm ready to have a successful
Speaker 1: career and have a child and be a family man.
Speaker 1: Daniel came in in the end of the first season
Speaker 1: and we were like, this is this is the perfect fit.
Speaker 1: Let's let's make this a three man show next year.
Speaker 1: So here's what Daniel says. He says, holy crap, five
Speaker 1: hundred shows ITP making it to five hundred is a
Speaker 1: remarkable achievement. Had somebody told me way back when we
Speaker 1: were in college, you'd still be doing this show in
Speaker 1: your thirties, Ryan, Well, I wouldn't have been even a
Speaker 1: little bit surprised.
Speaker 3: Daniel appreciate that Chargers says, I he.
Speaker 1: Said, I want it. He says, I want it. Noted
Speaker 1: that ITP both made Joshua bro and whatever that show
Speaker 1: was that we were always going back and forth with
Speaker 1: in terms of podcasting our ranking. They can kiss my
Speaker 1: ass a little behind the scenes there ITP and a
Speaker 1: Bo Maddingly of all things Arkansas Razorback Sports Podcast, and
Speaker 1: those two shows went back and forth on the sports
Speaker 1: leaderboard for the most listened to shows on our original
Speaker 1: hosting website. Daniel hated Beau Maddingly and Arkansas. Glad to
Speaker 1: see that Kansas has given us a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: to feel better there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rivalry continues all these years later.
Speaker 1: Daniel also says that it is good to know that
Speaker 1: even though I'm not on ITP my drops levon forever
Speaker 1: and the legendary come come on, Oh it connected to
Speaker 1: my AirPods that dropped the dam drop that is Daniel
Speaker 1: screaming into the microphone, as is Bill sucks, as.
Speaker 3: Is Bill stubborn, ass as is coach Bill Sell.
Speaker 1: Oh that's twice I'm organized on this show. And of course,
Speaker 1: you guys, remember captain of the boob Committee, hard On
Speaker 1: Perry ellis all the one that are no longer on
Speaker 1: this board because we haven't used them in a while.
Speaker 1: Daniel lives on. There you go, there's your trip down
Speaker 1: memory lane. Five hundred ITPS, and we're gonna celebrate it
Speaker 1: by talking about everything that's happened in the NCAA tournament
Speaker 1: that doesn't involve our favorite team. This is ITP five hundred.
Speaker 1: I Brian Landris, I'm.
Speaker 2: Worse than all the hosts that were just mentioned, and.
Speaker 3: I'm cam and yeah, I'm on the track to being
Speaker 3: a complete loser. Hey, fun, fat guys. In eighty five hundred,
Speaker 3: because it's the show five hundred, here's the fact of
Speaker 3: the week. Eighty five hundred. Clovis, the founder of the
Speaker 3: Frankish state, conquered most of France and Belgium, converting territories
Speaker 3: to Western Catholic Christianity. And that's pretty much all that
Speaker 3: happened in eighty five hundred.
Speaker 1: I like how you looked that up. That's really cool.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is, whenever it is twenty seventy
Speaker 1: five and we are talking about show twenty twenty four, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're going to pull up that fact about in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four that Ryan said blah blah blah about Hunter
Speaker 1: Dickinson and dal Gonzaga blows and guts you.
Speaker 3: Beat who We'll all be dead by robots by then, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: That's probably true. Well, we're going to uh, we're gonna
Speaker 1: the Kansas recap. It could have featured around a thirty
Speaker 1: two win or even a loss, but they didn't make
Speaker 1: it that far. So instead, what better way to celebrate
Speaker 1: five hundred than just to talk about the legacy of
Speaker 1: the worst team in the history of the Bill Self era.
Speaker 1: That sounds great, okay, and as only ITP would have it.
Speaker 1: We're having all sorts of soundboard problems there we go.
Speaker 1: Only in the five hundred show would those come back? Okay?
Speaker 1: Kansas News the portal opened, nobody has put their name
Speaker 1: in it, nobody has committed to Kansas yet, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it won't happen. Probably have it before the next show,
Speaker 1: but nothing yet. So instead I gave you guys a
Speaker 1: little homework assignment because we need to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about Kansas and this team. What are, in your opinion,
Speaker 1: in order, the top three reasons why this year's team
Speaker 1: was such a chronic failure. Who wants to go first?
Speaker 1: As they both realized that the homework assignment? Did they?
Speaker 3: That's that I genuinely did not. But I have this.
Speaker 1: I absolutely did, and I I can you remember this.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make I do Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Speaker 1: Okay, so Land and can go last cam Since you
Speaker 1: knew about it, you definitely already have these written down right.
Speaker 3: No, I don't, but I can go off top of
Speaker 3: that because I knew this. I knew this back in
Speaker 3: like January.
Speaker 1: Number one.
Speaker 3: First problem, do you want to hear his point guard
Speaker 3: was not a stotting stotting Wow, I sound like a
Speaker 3: Boston moron. Not a starting quality point guard for any
Speaker 3: Power five schools.
Speaker 2: Got for the Kansas Jayhawks were talking about huh.
Speaker 3: That is Blowhawks. No, he couldn't start for them. I
Speaker 3: don't think that. I think that was problem number one.
Speaker 3: Problem Number two lack of leadership. Yeah, the oldest camp
Speaker 3: you arguably the oldest team in college basketball minus maybe
Speaker 3: the twenty seventh year Mormons that have played for BYU.
Speaker 3: And they couldn't inbound a basketball, and yeah, creating counts too.
Speaker 3: They couldn't inbound a basketball to save their lives if
Speaker 3: when they're playing Houston Hell and the amount of games
Speaker 3: they lost that were essential coin flip games that it
Speaker 3: seemed like Bill self used to always win, that was
Speaker 3: a large part of the problem. Then last I would
Speaker 3: say it just the overall construction of the entire roster sucked.
Speaker 3: I mean, like we even I can't remember who said it,
Speaker 3: but at the start of the season, or maybe at
Speaker 3: the midpoint, like during the summer when you guys did
Speaker 3: a show, the thought of kids is trying again to
Speaker 3: form a team around the same three guys that had
Speaker 3: lost you know, X amount of games the year before
Speaker 3: just seemed like, you know, maybe maybe it wouldn't work out.
Speaker 3: And Bill self banked on that working going and just
Speaker 3: getting big names in the portal and honestly did a
Speaker 3: terrible job of evaluating players in the portal and it
Speaker 3: all flopped. That's I think what happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, Landing, where do you get it wrong?
Speaker 2: I have a very hard time disagreeing with any of those.
Speaker 2: To be quite honest, I would say the main reason
Speaker 2: that this team did not work is the roster. I
Speaker 2: think that the roster is the main reason why any
Speaker 2: team succeeds or fails in any sport at all. Now,
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously coaching and system are very important, more
Speaker 2: or less depending on which sport you're talking about. In
Speaker 2: this case, you know, the Kansas basketball program in the
Speaker 2: year twenty twenty five. Obviously there was system fit and
Speaker 2: all that. But I do think the roster, it's general construction,
Speaker 2: it's general fit as a whole, was massively a problem.
Speaker 2: I do think lack of leadership is a really good
Speaker 2: way to put that. We did talk about that at
Speaker 2: different times this season. I think that could also be
Speaker 2: defined as like lack of clutch. Those two things go
Speaker 2: hand in hand, though. If you have a better leadership,
Speaker 2: you're better in the clutch moments. But this team could
Speaker 2: not close a game to save their lives. They just
Speaker 2: did not have a guy to hand the ball to
Speaker 2: and say, hey, win this one for us, make a play,
Speaker 2: make something happen. They just didn't have that. Part of
Speaker 2: that is a J. Stewart didn't become anything. Part of
Speaker 2: that is Zeke Mayo tried and wasn't very good at that.
Speaker 2: Part that dwe Harris has never been that guy in
Speaker 2: his life. kJ Adams has never been that guy in
Speaker 2: his life. Hudter Dickinson's a really good scorer, but his
Speaker 2: skill set does not lend itself to that. And obviously
Speaker 2: those are things also we talk about all year. I'd
Speaker 2: say that's number two. Number three. I have a hot
Speaker 2: take that I could do just for takes, or I
Speaker 2: could try to come up with a more realistic third
Speaker 2: option for for the takes. I'm gonna say Bill self
Speaker 2: is starting a slow decline. He's not over. It's not
Speaker 2: it's not done. But I do think I think there's
Speaker 2: a real chance that that that Bills a little bit
Speaker 2: over the hill.
Speaker 1: I could see that, Okay, all right, I I I mean,
Speaker 1: I think my list is pretty similar to both of yours.
Speaker 1: The number one thing is roster construction. I think that's
Speaker 1: a pretty obvious one. You put together a roster around
Speaker 1: three returning pieces that didn't lead you to a lot
Speaker 1: of wins last year, and they all clearly had weaknesses
Speaker 1: despite being individual pretty good or really good basketball players,
Speaker 1: So you brought pieces in that you thought would just
Speaker 1: be better versions of what you had last year. They
Speaker 1: looked at Johnny Furfey and Nick Timberlake and Kevin McCuller
Speaker 1: and said, what if we get better versions of exactly
Speaker 1: those players? AJ store was going to be Kevin McCuller
Speaker 1: the driver that could knock down an occasional shot and
Speaker 1: get to the points on the perimeter, and Nick Timberlake
Speaker 1: and Johnny Furfey were gonna be replaced by Ryland Griffin
Speaker 1: and David Quit. There we go. We got the shooter.
Speaker 1: Or maybe Zeke Mayo and Ryley Griffin are the Timberlake
Speaker 1: and Furfey. We'll just make them better.
Speaker 2: Was your al Marco Jackson replacement exactly? Yep.
Speaker 1: Bill self essentially looked at the roster last year and thought,
Speaker 1: their only reason it didn't work is because Nick Timberlake
Speaker 1: sucked and Kevin McCuller got hurt. We were pretty good.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I'll just replace those guys with guys
Speaker 1: who are likely to be as good as they were
Speaker 1: and will be a really good basketball team. And that
Speaker 1: didn't work. And I think that you look at the one, four,
Speaker 1: and five and how they fit together, and that wound
Speaker 1: up being the thing that sunky in the end. Look
Speaker 1: at the last four minutes of the Arkansas game number two,
Speaker 1: the point guard play. Dwan Harris regressed in each of
Speaker 1: his last three seasons. He did very good things, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that his legacy will be fair. Somebody
Speaker 1: on Twitter once said that if he plays out his
Speaker 1: exact career on the opposite order, this is the first season,
Speaker 1: and then the national title is year three or four,
Speaker 1: then he's remembered as a legend. And I think that's
Speaker 1: an interesting point because he's still accomplished all of the
Speaker 1: things that he would in that reverse order universe, but
Speaker 1: he would be remembered much differently. He clearly proved himself
Speaker 1: as a guy who shouldn't have been leading a team
Speaker 1: with thirty five minutes a game over his last three seasons.
Speaker 1: It didn't work. Bill self continuously calls him a winner,
Speaker 1: and all they did was lose for their standards in
Speaker 1: the last two years of his tenure. I don't get that.
Speaker 1: And the third thing Landon I agree, it's coaching. I
Speaker 1: think it's coaching. You took a roster that had all
Speaker 1: the talent in the world, on it. Why did you
Speaker 1: bring aj Store in if you weren't gonna play him
Speaker 1: whenever his confidence goes out. Hey, look at the Arkansas game.
Speaker 1: Aj Store scored eleven first half points and self didn't
Speaker 1: play him in the second half.
Speaker 3: Like what what is that?
Speaker 1: Like? kJ Adams was not gonna at the four. That
Speaker 1: wasn't going to work in modern college basketball to feed
Speaker 1: the post, feed the post to a guy that's double
Speaker 1: team because Kj's right there, Like, coaching has a part
Speaker 1: of it. He recruited this roster, which we agree is
Speaker 1: the biggest reason that it didn't go well. But this
Speaker 1: roster had talent and everybody knew that it had talent.
Speaker 1: And then he took through their coaching staff, Rylan Griffin,
Speaker 1: he got worse. Aj Stort got worse. Stwan Harris got worse.
Speaker 1: Like I think coaching is a huge part of it too,
Speaker 1: And ultimately it was just a perfect storm. Very rarely
Speaker 1: are we sitting here talking about a Kansas team with
Speaker 1: poor roster construction, And even more rarely are we sitting
Speaker 1: here talking about Kansas teams that have poor coaching could
Speaker 1: have just all hit the fan at once. You think
Speaker 1: Bill selves getting a little wash Land and you've said
Speaker 1: that Cam, you've been skeptical of that. Are you in
Speaker 1: agreement that this next year is gonna tell you a
Speaker 1: lot about that? If they go twenty three and twelve
Speaker 1: with a whole different roster, are we going, Oh boy,
Speaker 1: it's like John Caliperry all over again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think with each year, if this happens again,
Speaker 2: if you have another.
Speaker 3: Year where you lose.
Speaker 2: Ten or more games, I do think you have to
Speaker 2: start saying at least that Bill self can't do it
Speaker 2: in the Portal era. If it happens again, If they
Speaker 2: come in next year and they go thirty three and
Speaker 2: five or whatever, and they're great and they're absolute world beaters,
Speaker 2: then I'll eat my words happily. I hope that's true.
Speaker 2: That'd be a lot of fun, and they're gonna have
Speaker 2: some very talented players on that team to do so,
Speaker 2: I think, But I don't know. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 2: in the room with Bill. I'm not saying Bill's like
Speaker 2: Bill as sharp as attack, I'm sure, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: The Portal ayeras is different. And there's a reason why
Speaker 2: you see some coaches just like retiring out of nothing
Speaker 2: because they hate coaching, Like this. They don't like it.
Speaker 2: I can't even say that I blame them. It's very different,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure it's like so much harder than it
Speaker 2: ever has been in their career and so much different,
Speaker 2: and players have much different expectations of coming to schools,
Speaker 2: especially big schools like Kansas that have premiere programs historically
Speaker 2: premiere programs. So it's a whole different animal. And can't,
Speaker 2: I can't. That's not Bill's fault. It's not Bill's fault
Speaker 2: at all. That it's a different animal. Some guys are
Speaker 2: just built fort and some aren't, and Bill might just
Speaker 2: not be super built for it.
Speaker 1: So if you go back and you look at the
Speaker 1: rankings in the final AP poll five years ago, which
Speaker 1: was right before they shut everything down due to COVID,
Speaker 1: it's really really interesting looking at the coaches of these
Speaker 1: teams and how many have walked away because they are
Speaker 1: just not dealing with the portal anymore. At the very top,
Speaker 1: I mean, just going straight down the list, you have
Speaker 1: John Caliperi got put four, stat of Lexington, Mike Shostavski retired,
Speaker 1: Roy Williams retired, Tony retired, Bruce Pearl is thriving, Calvin
Speaker 1: Samson is thriving, Scott Drew still still doing well, Mark
Speaker 1: few Bill self, those guys Leonard Hamilton retired, Tom Izzo's.
Speaker 2: Leonard Hamilton coach, K and Roy are all like a
Speaker 2: thousand years old?
Speaker 1: Correct, They also walked away and all sided. Man, I
Speaker 1: hate the portal like all Jim Behines also in this list,
Speaker 1: like those are the guys that walked away just being
Speaker 1: over the portal. So we'll see. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about Dickinson. I'll come back to him. We officially got
Speaker 1: word on Sunday that kJ Adams did in fact as
Speaker 1: everybody knew, but it was made official to wear his
Speaker 1: achilles at the end of the Kansas Arkansas game. He
Speaker 1: had successful surgery on Wednesday morning and will need several
Speaker 1: months to recover and rehab. So my question for you,
Speaker 1: Cam is the legacy of Dewan Harris and kJ Adams.
Speaker 1: Are they grouped together or do you think that they
Speaker 1: are in your mind at least? Do they have different legacies?
Speaker 3: I think they are different because their expectations were different,
Speaker 3: and I mean fans never expected kJ Adams to lead
Speaker 3: the team to a Final four and Dwan Harris was
Speaker 3: supposedly going to be another great Kansas point guard, and
Speaker 3: he's the one that had the ball in his hands
Speaker 3: the majority of the time. It was very clear to
Speaker 3: everyone that watched that kJ Adams was not a player
Speaker 3: that you know, was going to consistently put up double
Speaker 3: double numbers, and yet he still played those minutes. But no,
Speaker 3: Dewan Harris, I think is a little bit different. He
Speaker 3: was the point guard. He was the one that was
Speaker 3: in control of the offense. Quite honestly, like watching other
Speaker 3: teams play in the NCAA Tournament, the Kansas led or
Speaker 3: the Dewan Harris leading Kansas Jayhawks, like, the offense just
Speaker 3: was so stagnant when he had the ball. I mean,
Speaker 3: it just looks so archaic compared to what other teams
Speaker 3: were doing. And I think it just comes back to
Speaker 3: the fact that he wasn't a scoring threat. And again,
Speaker 3: kJ was not supposed to be thirty five minutes a guy,
Speaker 3: you know, thirty five minutes a game guy. But that's
Speaker 3: what he was. And I think it's slightly different. Is
Speaker 3: based off expectation level.
Speaker 1: Landon. I don't know about you, but I don't even
Speaker 1: think it's close. If you ask me, who has the
Speaker 1: better legacy it's Dewan Harris. He's a national champion point
Speaker 1: guard that started every NCAA tournament game. I'm not here
Speaker 1: to say that he should have his name hung in
Speaker 1: the rafters, but I don't even think it's close. kJ
Speaker 1: Adams will be remembered for his heart and how much
Speaker 1: he loved Kansas. That's great. kJ Adams will be remembered
Speaker 1: favorably for a lot of Kansas fans. I think more
Speaker 1: people are gonna remember kJ favorably than to one. I
Speaker 1: think that's wrong. I think the one should be the
Speaker 1: one remembered more fondly because he is a national champion
Speaker 1: point guard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is very true. From technically, kJ Adams is
Speaker 2: also a national champion, though of course did not really play.
Speaker 1: He didn't score in the NCAA tournament, but was still
Speaker 1: on that team. Yeah, a very different role.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very He did not play, did not factor
Speaker 2: into that rotation almost at all. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 2: think from that perspective for sure, I agree. I would
Speaker 2: say just to play devil's advocate. Look at it this way. Also, though,
Speaker 2: kJ Adams had a year as the primary starting five
Speaker 2: man on a one seed for Kansas, on a team
Speaker 2: that was quite good, and that was his best season
Speaker 2: where he was the five. We all thought there were
Speaker 2: some problems with his size and his rebounding, and there were,
Speaker 2: and he played with one of the best, if not
Speaker 2: just the best rebounding non five men in the Bill
Speaker 2: Self era with Jalen Wilson. All that's true, but he
Speaker 2: was good. He was better when used correctly. kJ Adams
Speaker 2: is more of a victim of just like his skill
Speaker 2: sets just kind of wonky. No one thinks he's bad.
Speaker 2: He just is an oddity, if you will, of a player.
Speaker 2: Whereas like Dwan Harris, We've seen guys like Dewan Harris
Speaker 2: be really good, like you don't theoretically, you don't have
Speaker 2: to be an elite shooter to be a good point guard.
Speaker 2: It's awesome if you are, you don't have.
Speaker 1: Louisville had Peyton Seve at average like eight points a
Speaker 1: game in their national championship run. That's always the guy
Speaker 1: I compared to Harris, the defense first ballhandler that could
Speaker 1: have came agely shoot the ball, and he's he's a
Speaker 1: legend at Louisville. Didn't score but was a legend.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Whereas Harris like that play that play style, that
Speaker 2: that player type has worked, and it just never really
Speaker 2: did for Harris when he was the guy, except for
Speaker 2: when he was surrounded by three future NBA players plus
Speaker 2: a guy that was a two thousand point scorer in college,
Speaker 2: like two of them. Yeah, like it very strange, very
Speaker 2: strange that for Harris it just never quite functioned the
Speaker 2: way that it should have. Obviously, there's games and there's moments,
Speaker 2: because he's not an outrightly bad basketball player by any stretch.
Speaker 2: He's quite a good basketball player all things considered. But
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think Dewe Harris has a little more.
Speaker 2: I think kJ is more of a product of the system,
Speaker 2: both good and bad, whereas Dewan Harris could have swayed
Speaker 2: or changed that system, should have been able to a
Speaker 2: little bit more and didn't. And I do think that's interesting.
Speaker 2: And that's not even an indictment on him. I agree
Speaker 2: that he is a national champion, was a huge contributor
Speaker 2: on a national championship winning squad, and that is certainly
Speaker 2: something very proud of. If you're de one Harris, you
Speaker 2: should be. But I don't know, I just think that's
Speaker 2: kind of that's interesting. Harris is a player that more
Speaker 2: often than not, like should work and just kind of didn't,
Speaker 2: or at least did not to the extent that he
Speaker 2: should have.
Speaker 1: See, I mostly agree with you. The thing that's throwing
Speaker 1: me off a little bit is when people say, I
Speaker 1: agree one hundred percent of what you said about kJ
Speaker 1: kJ was had a wonky skill set and was a
Speaker 1: product of the system. So therefore, in a way, you
Speaker 1: kind of got as much as you could have asked
Speaker 1: out of him. I think they more than got what
Speaker 1: they could have asked out of Dewan Harris. I think
Speaker 1: he had a very low ceiling and they got him
Speaker 1: to be a national championship point guard that still was
Speaker 1: a solid point guard that started for four years and
Speaker 1: or for at least three years was a starter. No
Speaker 1: was four it was four years. Uh, And I think
Speaker 1: you can look at to one Harris and say that
Speaker 1: guy should have never been playing more than fifth team
Speaker 1: minutes a game. The fact that he got to this level, yeah,
Speaker 1: they milked it dry quite a bit. But but just
Speaker 1: the fact that Dewan got to this level, I think
Speaker 1: is is I don't think you ever could have expected that.
Speaker 1: They both definitely played a bigger role than I think
Speaker 1: they should have, and I'm surprised that they weren't both
Speaker 1: recruited over more than they were. Obviously, we know the
Speaker 1: coach has a lot of loyalty to both of them,
Speaker 1: but we're both in agreement now that the dust have settled.
Speaker 1: It didn't work with these guys being the primary pieces.
Speaker 1: They obviously didn't win as much as you're used to,
Speaker 1: But neither neither kJ Adams nor Dewan Harris deserves to
Speaker 1: have anything but a positive legacy for what they accomplished
Speaker 1: for Kansas. Right. They don't have to be DeVante Graham
Speaker 1: and Jalen Wilson to for them to be remembered as
Speaker 1: valuable pieces that helped Kansas win a championship and helped
Speaker 1: them win a lot of games over the run, even
Speaker 1: if it didn't work like we had hoped in the end.
Speaker 1: Is that fair?
Speaker 3: I think so? I mean, I agree, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Then let's talk about Hunt because I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: my take. I've thought about this for several days because
Speaker 1: anyone who's listening to the show knows what I think
Speaker 1: of Hunter Dickinson. I'm probably the highest of any of
Speaker 1: the of the of the blogs on Twitter that tweeked
Speaker 1: their thoughts whatever. Here's what I think, because his last
Speaker 1: half at Kansas was undoubtedly is worst, and you guys
Speaker 1: are better than I am at criticized at seeing his fault,
Speaker 1: so I'm curious what you think. This is what I think.
Speaker 1: Hunter Dickinson's legacy will be far more negative than either
Speaker 1: Dewan Harris or kJ Adams. He will be remembered as
Speaker 1: a guy who was a front runner, just showed up
Speaker 1: and posted a lot of stats, collected a big nil
Speaker 1: check and not what I think. But this is how
Speaker 1: he will be remembered. Someone who didn't really care, someone
Speaker 1: who is lazy, someone who didn't really give it everything
Speaker 1: he had and didn't get any better at Kansas. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's fair, But I think in the end,
Speaker 1: his legacy is a guy who came in and had
Speaker 1: scored a lot of stats but hadn't won anything. That
Speaker 1: is what his legacy will be. The two worst statistical
Speaker 1: teams of the Bill Self era happened with Hunter Dickinson
Speaker 1: as their leading scorer. I personally believe that anyone who
Speaker 1: says Hunter Dickinson was lazy, I don't think that's true.
Speaker 1: I think you just see a seven foot two, slow
Speaker 1: white guy out there who's not super athletic, and it
Speaker 1: looks like he's lazy. I think he's playing his ass
Speaker 1: off out there. I think he cares. He took way
Speaker 1: more accountability than anyone else. I think he absolutely cared
Speaker 1: about Kansas and gave it everything he had. It just
Speaker 1: didn't work. It's not a skill set. I think Hunter
Speaker 1: Dickinson was screwed over by poor roster construction. I think
Speaker 1: if you put him on a team like uh Texas Tech,
Speaker 1: you replaces JT. Top with Hunter Dickinson. With those shooters
Speaker 1: around him, I think he is a monster. You could
Speaker 1: say he was a monster. They may miss the tournament
Speaker 1: both years he's here if he's not on the roster,
Speaker 1: that's how important he was. The problem was never Hunter Dickinson.
Speaker 1: Landon will tell you he's a floor set or not
Speaker 1: a ceiling center. I think that's true. Hunter Dickinson didn't
Speaker 1: make the players around him better, and you expect all
Speaker 1: America caliber players, which he is by definition, to make
Speaker 1: their surround and cast better. I also don't think that
Speaker 1: they did him any favors with the talent around him,
Speaker 1: and I think that with a little better roster construction.
Speaker 1: If he was put on one of Udoka as a
Speaker 1: Bouquet's teams, I think we're talking about one of the
Speaker 1: greatest centers to play for Bill Self, and I think
Speaker 1: that the effort and hustle thing, I think that's just idiotic.
Speaker 1: That's just looking at a guy who's just not super athletic.
Speaker 1: So it's easy to say where'd I get. In the end,
Speaker 1: Hunter Dickinson will have a negative legacy, about as negative
Speaker 1: as any Bill Self player ever. And you can, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day say he didn't produce when
Speaker 1: it mattered most, he didn't will as team to victory
Speaker 1: enough considering what he had done a lot accolade wise,
Speaker 1: that's his legacy. I think it's a little bit unfair.
Speaker 1: I think there's more to it than that, but that is, ultimately, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: what I think his legacy will be.
Speaker 2: I think that Hunter Dickinson will largely be a victim
Speaker 2: part well, I'm not a victim of his own greatness.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the best way to phrase this,
Speaker 2: So that's not it Dickinson. There will be a slight
Speaker 2: like Lebron effect happening with Hunter Dickinson, and that he's
Speaker 2: really really good, so people like to point out his
Speaker 2: flaws to show that he's not perfect. That is true.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a hypercriticalness that happens with Hunter Dickinson. Partly,
Speaker 2: I think that's fair because he is a player that
Speaker 2: is supposed to be really good, So you should be
Speaker 2: really good. If you're gonna if you're gonna be really
Speaker 2: really good and gonna be the best player on a
Speaker 2: Kansas team, then the expectation is high. I think Hunter
Speaker 2: Dickinson is squarely an overwhelmingly mixed bag. Obviously a great scorer,
Speaker 2: undeniably a great scorer. I actually think he's quite an
Speaker 2: overrated rebounder. If we're really getting into it, I think
Speaker 2: he gets a lot of free boards. Not to say
Speaker 2: he never wrestled one away or anything or had good position.
Speaker 2: I don't think the guy boxes out very well. I
Speaker 2: don't think he's like in a very intelligent rebounder most
Speaker 2: of the time. He does have some good plays. Don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, he has good rebounds. I don't think
Speaker 2: he's good A rebounder is averaging a double double. I
Speaker 2: think a lot of those are I'm seven to two
Speaker 2: and a lot of people bail at the first sign
Speaker 2: of the ball hitting in the back of the iron.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong. I think Hunter Dickinson can't defend a
Speaker 2: ball screen half the time, which is kind of a
Speaker 2: devastatingly like tough skill set to have. I don't think
Speaker 2: he was an instinctive defender in space at all. I
Speaker 2: mean that was well detailed. A lot of teams took
Speaker 2: all sorts of advantage of that. Does that make him
Speaker 2: the worst player in the history of the bill selfair, No,
Speaker 2: not by any stretch. I think the effort claims are crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he has a certain mindset that isn't honestly, is not
Speaker 2: my cup of tea all the time, and I know
Speaker 2: it's not a lot of people's cup of tea a
Speaker 2: lot of the time. And I think that's fair. I
Speaker 2: think some of that's fun. I think you also get
Speaker 2: what you ask for. If you're gonna put your forearm
Speaker 2: in front of your crotch every time you make a
Speaker 2: big shot, you got to live with what you get
Speaker 2: a little bit like you're asking for it at that
Speaker 2: point to an extent. That doesn't excuse like some of
Speaker 2: the outrightly like heinous being directed his way, either that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Don't do that. If you're out there doing that, don't stop.
Speaker 2: That's you're terrible.
Speaker 1: Do you think Hunter Dickinson gave What do you think
Speaker 1: of his effort? Do you think he didn't care?
Speaker 2: I think he cared. I think he cared, and again
Speaker 2: I think that. I think his demeanor is just different. Also,
Speaker 2: he's a transfer, and that doesn't mean transfers can't care exactly,
Speaker 2: it's it's just his demeanor. He just carries himself in
Speaker 2: a different way. And that's fine. Not everyone's gonna be
Speaker 2: Frank Mason. As far as they're just outright active, like
Speaker 2: visible intensity, that's okay. I think he cared, but I
Speaker 2: do think he is. He is squarely mixed bag. And
Speaker 2: I think a guy like Udoka as a bookie. Like
Speaker 2: if you switch in this hypothetical, if you switch Hunter
Speaker 2: Dickinson for Udoka on the seventeen eighteen team or on
Speaker 2: the nineteen twenty team, I don't think those teams go
Speaker 2: twenty three and twelve, but I think they're very different teams.
Speaker 2: I think Udoka had a skill set that perfectly fit
Speaker 2: exactly what those teams needed, and Hunter doesn't. They would
Speaker 2: have been good, but they would have been very different teams,
Speaker 2: and they would have had flaws a lot more of them.
Speaker 2: I think Udoka is a very underrated player. He wasn't
Speaker 2: a guy that averaged eighteen a night, but he was
Speaker 2: a perfect skill set for what those teams had, and
Speaker 2: Hunter would have been extremely different on those teams. So
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think Hunter Dickinson's Ddrich Lawson in
Speaker 2: all the good and bad ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think it's very fair. Cam. My
Speaker 1: question for you about Hunter is the thing that it's
Speaker 1: okay to admit that Hunter Dickinson didn't work out at
Speaker 1: Kansas like Bill self and the fans hoped it would.
Speaker 1: They thought that it would lead to Nay Smith's They
Speaker 1: thought that it would lead to much better than the
Speaker 1: tournament success. He won one tournament game in his two
Speaker 1: years here. But it's a decision that, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me if I'm right or not.
Speaker 1: It's a decision that you absolutely make, one hundred times
Speaker 1: out of one hundred when you have an All American
Speaker 1: center who is a walking double double that says they
Speaker 1: want to play for you, and you clean out whoever
Speaker 1: you have at the five. Everybody's banging the Zubi edge
Speaker 1: of four drum should have kept. Zubi edge of four should.
Speaker 2: Have kept during a studay.
Speaker 1: They did the right thing, saying sorry, guys, but we
Speaker 1: got Hunter Dickinson coming in here for probably two years,
Speaker 1: and that was the right call. It didn't work out
Speaker 1: the way that they necessarily hoped it would. But you
Speaker 1: got a seventeen to ten guy that wants to come
Speaker 1: in here and play at the center, you make that
Speaker 1: call ten times out of ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was the right call, But the
Speaker 3: wrong call was surrounding him with players that don't work
Speaker 3: well with his style. I mean, you couldn't. You couldn't
Speaker 3: watch him play at Michigan and think that having a
Speaker 3: non scoring point guard combined with a small forward or
Speaker 3: a power forward that's undersized and can't shoot with a
Speaker 3: slower paced offense would lead to tons of success in
Speaker 3: modern college basketball, like the fit in High Hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: But the fit made zero sense based off of what
Speaker 3: self thought he was going to do with his current
Speaker 3: roster with Dwan, Harris, kJ Adams, and I guess Kevin mcculer.
Speaker 3: They were fine with Kevin McCuller. I still don't think
Speaker 3: that team would have really done anything had Kevin McCuller
Speaker 3: stayed healthy. I genuinely think they lose in the second round.
Speaker 3: But three, I think it.
Speaker 1: Goes a long way, and this year's team had the three.
Speaker 3: It does not the D Yeah, it does. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, I mean, I still think I think
Speaker 3: Hunter Nickson was a good player, But I also think
Speaker 3: that a lot of it will be looked at as
Speaker 3: empty stats, and I think that's actually fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's what makes it so interesting, I
Speaker 1: seeing the way different people view the legacies. All right,
Speaker 1: well that's your Kansas News. Let's now go into our recap.
Speaker 1: We've been we've been having some to luck with the
Speaker 1: one take shows. Let's keep that. Let's keep that rocking
Speaker 1: and rolling. Uh, well, let's recap the second round, talk
Speaker 1: about the coaching carousel and do ASKCARCV and then we
Speaker 1: have an activity. Oh, it's another activity. This will be fun.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's keep it going. So in the NCAA tournament,
Speaker 1: where we're looking at all these fun sweet sixteen matchups
Speaker 1: that nobody gets, nobody that we care about is still playing,
Speaker 1: just kind of breezing through what's happened? Auburn beat Creighton
Speaker 1: and the Tigers are gonna play five seed Michigan, who
Speaker 1: came back and beat number four Texas A and M. Cam,
Speaker 1: I know that you allegedly had some currency here. Did
Speaker 1: it end the way you wanted or not?
Speaker 3: It did?
Speaker 1: All right? Look at you? You bet on Dusty May
Speaker 1: and he put together a nice comeback Landon giving proof
Speaker 1: that Texas A and M is the same and always
Speaker 1: will be the same in all sports.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's some kind of Sisspician curse or something. I
Speaker 2: don't know whether they are destined to be good but
Speaker 2: not great every single time.
Speaker 1: Probably the biggest, I think the most impressive performance of
Speaker 1: the second round belongs to number six Old Miss who
Speaker 1: just flat out destroyed Iowa State. Chris Beard takes the
Speaker 1: Rebels to the second weekend of the tournament. Game was
Speaker 1: never close. I know, i Always State didn't have Keyshawn Gilbert,
Speaker 1: but surprise, surprise, Iowa State lost as a favorite in
Speaker 1: the NCAA's and Cam, I know you don't like Chris
Speaker 1: Beard very much, but I think you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: root for him because he's taken on number two Michigan
Speaker 1: State who came back and beat Rick Patino's new Mexico
Speaker 1: team by eight in the round of thirty two. So
Speaker 1: that leads four teams still left in the South. Number
Speaker 1: one Auburn versus Number five Michigan. Do we all like
Speaker 1: the Tigers to get to an elite eight?
Speaker 3: I do? I don't. Actually, I think Michigan wins this game.
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, that'd be a nine point dog. Will
Speaker 1: you be allegedly wagering anything on it? No, not that confident.
Speaker 1: I like how you like Cam's been good and pick
Speaker 1: him this year. So there's some betting advice. And then
Speaker 1: in the bottom part a much closer spread. Do we
Speaker 1: like tom Izzo's chances to get to the round of eight?
Speaker 1: Do they beat Ole Miss?
Speaker 2: I think they do.
Speaker 1: I think Michigan State gets by this good coaching matchup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Michigan State wins this one.
Speaker 2: I did too.
Speaker 1: I think Auburn will eventually go to the Final four.
Speaker 1: But I think Auburn and Michigan State are clearly the
Speaker 1: two the teams in control of the South. Okay, somebody
Speaker 1: else take the East. Let's let's let's pass the baton
Speaker 1: and this rapid fire round of thirty two recap.
Speaker 2: I had it again that skipped. Okay, here we go
Speaker 2: Duke maybe Baylor by twenty three Arizona Oregon played an
Speaker 2: entertaining game that I did not get to see, But
Speaker 2: Arizona gets the eighty seven eighty three win over the Ducks.
Speaker 2: In a Pac twelve throwback, They'll take on Duke in
Speaker 2: Sweet sixteen. Number six b Yu a great call for
Speaker 2: all of us, played a yep, absolutely barn burner against
Speaker 2: number three Wisconsin, incredibly entertaining game that was a great one,
Speaker 2: really really fun watch ninety one eighty nine for the Coogs.
Speaker 2: And then Alabama held Saint Mary's to sixty six. I
Speaker 2: think it's probably more of an indictment on Saint Mary's
Speaker 2: than it is great defense for Alabama. The Crimson Tide
Speaker 2: get a win and they get a date with with BYU,
Speaker 2: who might hang triple digits on him. We like Duke Arizona,
Speaker 2: BYU Alabama, who's going to the lad eight in the East.
Speaker 1: What is the over under and the over under in
Speaker 1: BYU Bama is one hundred and seventy six. It's an
Speaker 1: NBA esque bet. They're thinking that at least one team
Speaker 1: gets them into the nineties. I am going with Duke
Speaker 1: to beat Arizona, although Caleb Love does own this month.
Speaker 1: He scored twenty seven against Oregon and he's done it
Speaker 1: to Duke in this tournament before. I think Duke wins
Speaker 1: a close, close game there, and then I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with BYU to take down Alabama as I had in
Speaker 1: my original bracket. I think BYU can defend when they
Speaker 1: need to, and I don't think Alabama can, and I
Speaker 1: think it gets them here. I'm going with a Blue
Speaker 1: Devils versus BYU Elite eight.
Speaker 2: I originally picked Alabama. I am gonna flip that to
Speaker 2: BYU and I will go Duke, Duke and the Kougs.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Chalk here. I'm gonna go Duke
Speaker 3: and Bama.
Speaker 1: Who wins a Duke Bama Elite eight game because I
Speaker 1: think I would give the edge to Bama here. I
Speaker 1: know that sounds crazy, but I like the coaching matchup,
Speaker 1: and there's also the Cooper Flag advantage, which I think
Speaker 1: Landon likes.
Speaker 2: I very much do. Also, Tyres Proctor and Kon Knippel
Speaker 2: are really good players in their own right.
Speaker 1: Cooper Flag, it's pretty amazing how he was wheeled off
Speaker 1: the court like a week ago, and he's out there.
Speaker 1: It's almost like what happened to the big dorky why
Speaker 1: guy last year who got so injured in the court
Speaker 1: storm and limped off, and now then he was perfectly
Speaker 1: fine a few days later.
Speaker 3: It's so duke it hurts pretty much checks out.
Speaker 2: We do in the.
Speaker 1: Midwest wouldn't be ip without this. Oh well, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think on cam as much as some have been, but.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I'm in the Midwest, home of cornbred bitches.
Speaker 3: Ryan's favorite Number one. Houston beat eight seed seventies Gonzaga
Speaker 3: seventy six. I'm not drunk. Everyone that's listening. I'm like
Speaker 3: sick and I can't even think right now. We have McNeese,
Speaker 3: the fighting will Wades that I might have allegedly believed in.
Speaker 3: They did not lead me to the Promised Land, similar
Speaker 3: to Brigham Young allegedly did for the Mormons. They got
Speaker 3: hosed by fourteen seventy six sixty two in Illinois, a
Speaker 3: popular game that we all picked them to win. They
Speaker 3: lost to Kentucky eighty four to seventy five. And then
Speaker 3: Rick Barnes did not Rick Barnes, he won by nine
Speaker 3: points over UCLA.
Speaker 1: So the takeaways here Landon the takeaways here, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you'll point out are perdue looked impressive. A lot of
Speaker 1: people thought they'd be a first, if not second round
Speaker 1: upset pick. They just breezed past their two games by
Speaker 1: double digits. Houston passed what might be their biggest test
Speaker 1: until they get to a Final four by getting again
Speaker 1: Zagateaine that had made the second weekend like twelve years
Speaker 1: in a row or ten years in a row or
Speaker 1: something like that. Houston now the longest active streak with
Speaker 1: six straight Sweet sixteen's and then Illin. I think if
Speaker 1: you had, if you had to put put one team
Speaker 1: as the most disappointing team of this round, it's Illinois.
Speaker 1: They were favored and they just got destroyed. It was
Speaker 1: like eighteen to six early and they never caught up.
Speaker 1: They got they got lambasted in this game.
Speaker 2: I really like the way Kentucky's playing right now, and
Speaker 2: I will take them to beat Tennessee. No less, I
Speaker 2: think you're gonna see Kentucky in the Elite eight. I
Speaker 2: think they are. Dare I say, figuring it out?
Speaker 1: See I disagree. I love picking. You know my strategy
Speaker 1: good team loses early in the year, pick them in
Speaker 1: the rematch. Tennessee lost twice to Kentucky. Kentucky beat them twice.
Speaker 1: I don't think they beat them three times. I think
Speaker 1: Tennessee and Houston are your Elite eight here, which would
Speaker 1: be all though we get a lot of one v
Speaker 1: two Elite eight games. I think this is Houston's region
Speaker 1: to lose. I don't think it matters which two opponents
Speaker 1: you throw at them. I think they're going to a
Speaker 1: Final four, but I will say it's Tennessee.
Speaker 2: I agree that Houston is easily the team to beat
Speaker 2: out of this region.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be Houston Tennessee as well in
Speaker 3: the Elite Ay, and I believe Houston will win that game.
Speaker 1: You know, Tennessee has never been to a Final four
Speaker 1: that I learned that every year and it amazes me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they feel like a good enough program. They would
Speaker 2: have gotten I would have said multiple. I would have
Speaker 2: predicted they would have gotten several. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know that's several, but three or four.
Speaker 1: Really close last year and lost to Zach Edy. And
Speaker 1: that matchup is on the table here as well. It
Speaker 1: could very well happen in the West region, all the
Speaker 1: ones are still left, all but one of the twos
Speaker 1: are left, and all but one of the threes are left. No,
Speaker 1: I guess Iowa State went down. There's two threes left.
Speaker 1: There's uh three fours left. So who outside the top
Speaker 1: four is left? We have a ten in our Michigan
Speaker 1: miss and b Yu yep, so four just four seeds.
Speaker 1: There's only one double Edgit Seed Arkansas and John Caliperry
Speaker 1: is your Cinderella. Florida beats Yukon in a thrilling game
Speaker 1: that came down to the wire, and then Danny, Yeah Hurley,
Speaker 1: he threw a complete fit.
Speaker 2: Did he?
Speaker 1: Both of you see that?
Speaker 2: I heard about it.
Speaker 3: He's a clown Yep.
Speaker 1: Doesn't lose with class that Danny Hurley. That's fine, he's
Speaker 1: a good villain. Yukon was in this game. They probably
Speaker 1: should have won it, and ultimately Florida just hit a
Speaker 1: couple of cold blooded shots. They will play Maryland, who
Speaker 1: beat Colorado State in the game of the tournament. Thus far,
Speaker 1: it looked like the Fighting Alley Farokman Ashes were all
Speaker 1: set to take down Maryland. But then screw you, Ali.
Speaker 1: I hope you had a horrible day after your Rams
Speaker 1: team loses on a buzzer beater the first of the
Speaker 1: tournament to the Terrapins. To the Terps have a shot
Speaker 1: to take down Florida. Smallest spread of any of the
Speaker 1: one v whatever Sweet sixteen games.
Speaker 3: Uh No, they do not.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of stupid. I think Duke and
Speaker 1: Auburn both have a better chance of losing than Florida.
Speaker 2: I think Maryland's really good. I don't really think Arizona
Speaker 2: can hang with Duke. Michigan maybe could hang with Auburn
Speaker 2: a little, but that's maybe more about Auburn than Michigan.
Speaker 2: I think Maryland is really really fantastic right now. Florida
Speaker 2: is also fantastic. I still think the Gators win, but
Speaker 2: Maryland's gonna give us a game, I think.
Speaker 1: And then down to the bottom left, Texas Tech has
Speaker 1: not had a ton of trouble dispatching two double digit seeds,
Speaker 1: including Drake and then their coach left. They will play
Speaker 1: John Calla Peri's Arkansas team, who took down Saint John's.
Speaker 1: I would love to see Arkansas go further than Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and I picked Kentucky to lose here, so I guess
Speaker 1: that means I have to pick Arkansas, even though I
Speaker 1: think Tech goes to the Final four. That was the
Speaker 1: original call. I'm gonna be rooting hard for Arkansas to
Speaker 1: win this game. I think that'd be really funny.
Speaker 2: It would be pretty funny. I think Tech will win.
Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, I've Tech winning.
Speaker 1: And then we have a little bit of coaching carousel news,
Speaker 1: one of the most active coaching carousels that I can remember.
Speaker 1: The two biggest pieces of coaching news happened this week.
Speaker 1: Rodney Terry unsurprisingly got fired. Huh, I can't believe that
Speaker 1: didn't work, said every buddy but the Texas Athletic Department.
Speaker 1: Sean Miller sweaty. Sean Miller with his wiretap is the
Speaker 1: new coach at Texas and is welcome to Texas. Picture
Speaker 1: features the Texas Football Stadium in the backdrop of his
Speaker 1: office because nothing says we're passionate about basketball here like that.
Speaker 1: And then also Drake's Ben McCollum is the new guy
Speaker 1: at Iowa. Great hire for the Hawkeys. Bennett Sturtz, one
Speaker 1: of the best players in college basketball and Drake's hop player,
Speaker 1: transferred immediately to the Hawkeyes to stay with his coach,
Speaker 1: Local kid wanted to go to k State, they didn't
Speaker 1: offer him a scholarship. Iowa's going to that is that's
Speaker 1: the best hire of the cycle I think is Iowa
Speaker 1: hiring McCollum. He will have them competing for a Big
Speaker 1: Ten title very soon.
Speaker 2: I do like that hire Starts is going to be
Speaker 2: pretty good there. In some other coaching news, Darian Devrize
Speaker 2: left West Virginia after one year to become the next
Speaker 2: coach at Indiana. His son followed him there as a
Speaker 2: player of VCU coach Ryan Otum. Except to the job
Speaker 2: at Virginia. I will try to make basketball great again
Speaker 2: with Tony Bennett now out of the picture. Hopefully he
Speaker 2: will make basketball with baskets again at Virginia. Tony Bennett
Speaker 2: out at Points Villanova and with Virginia's jobs both currently open. Also,
Speaker 2: Utah hired Dallas MAVs assistant Alex Jensen to be their
Speaker 2: new coach, following the blueprint of BYU that they used
Speaker 2: on Kevin Young.
Speaker 1: I agree with this. By the way, more teams should
Speaker 1: hire NBA assistants to be their coach. These guys know
Speaker 1: the game. Yes, it's modern basketball. Absolutely. Look at how
Speaker 1: Kevin Young's doing his first year at BYU. Talk about
Speaker 1: a plug and play guy. I think Utah will be
Speaker 1: pretty good with this guy running the show.
Speaker 2: It is almost like people forget that the NBA is
Speaker 2: like the pinnacle of the sport and has really excellent coaches,
Speaker 2: And with how.
Speaker 1: Much money these schools are now pulling in and these
Speaker 1: mega conferences, being a head coach at a D one
Speaker 1: Power five league college is probably more financially savvy than
Speaker 1: being an NBA coach. Like an assistant coach, these guys
Speaker 1: make like five million a year as their base package
Speaker 1: to coach these schools.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, people are not ready for this take, but
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr probably better basketball coach than Bill Self?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't know how the hell is that arguable.
Speaker 1: He's one of the three best coaches in the history
Speaker 1: of the NBA.
Speaker 2: See, you're right, but I don't think most of KU
Speaker 2: twitter will will think that's normal. Ryan, You're right, I'm right,
Speaker 2: But I think most of KU fans would be like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Why? Because he's won a lot of games with great players,
Speaker 1: and Bill self has also won a lot of games
Speaker 1: with great play. We're gonna punish Steve Kerr for having
Speaker 1: great players on his team, but we're not gonna apply I.
Speaker 2: I think it's just an anti NBA sentiment.
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy, like anybody could coach these guys. Kind
Speaker 1: of that argument a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think people also think the NBA just isn't as
Speaker 2: good as it is. Like the NBA is crazy good guys.
Speaker 2: It's not just a bunch of guys running around playing
Speaker 2: no defense, shooting threes. Like it is really high level
Speaker 2: basketball being played.
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr is one of the five best basketball coaches
Speaker 1: at any level in the history of sports.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's that might be a little hot, but he's
Speaker 2: very good.
Speaker 1: I can't I couldn't, Davis. I could not name five
Speaker 1: men that have ever coached basketball that I would rather
Speaker 1: have start my basketball team than Steve Kerr, both from
Speaker 1: a he's good at coaching and his players absolutely playing
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 3: I do agree with Winston, Steve Prome, Davis, Steve pro Senile,
Speaker 3: John Calipari at Kentuck.
Speaker 1: Hey, that's sweet sixteen elite are sweet sixteen washed to
Speaker 1: John Calla Perry, Sir.
Speaker 3: That's true, all right, camra yep. In other news, Duke
Speaker 3: assistant Jie Lucas is now the head coach of Miami.
Speaker 3: Will Wade is at North Carolina State. Richard Patino left
Speaker 3: New Mexico to take over Sean Miller ed Xavier and
Speaker 3: former Kings assistant Luke Lockes replaces Leonard Hamilton at Florida
Speaker 3: State following retirement. Fran McCaffrey is all the way down
Speaker 3: at Penn now, and Mike Bibby got hired at Sacramento State.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Like whatever, people just say, hey, good
Speaker 1: NBA player, come coach. It's better than saying, hey, Doug Gottlieb,
Speaker 1: come coach.
Speaker 2: Yes, who's not.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think they're they're keeping with Doug
Speaker 1: Gottlieb for some crazy reason. I I legitimately don't know
Speaker 1: why anybody would do that.
Speaker 2: That is insane.
Speaker 1: I'll give it a I'll give it out rock Chock
Speaker 1: blog bracket update here and then ndad real. That's what
Speaker 1: you need to know. Land Landon lost the final four
Speaker 1: team before all four networks had a game on.
Speaker 2: I believe he's correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's impressive.
Speaker 1: It's very very hard to do. But he did the
Speaker 1: job all right. So we don't have a ton of
Speaker 1: ask arcbs. Then we're gonna get into our activity.
Speaker 2: We have a couple here that seven minutes and welcome
Speaker 2: to the first ever two hour episode of IP.
Speaker 1: Nah that that that exercise will only take like twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: It took twenty two last time. We'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we have we have a couple of.
Speaker 1: Transfer portal questions here at Chris Jerico two says getting
Speaker 1: done and in the transfer portal would be great, but
Speaker 1: how good of a fit would he be with Peterson
Speaker 1: At Bhelz three says, rather than just grabbing five high
Speaker 1: rated transfers in the portal this year, hopefully the staff
Speaker 1: takes a more targeted approach and zeroing game or zeroing
Speaker 1: in on guys who will fit the system that will
Speaker 1: also have mental and physical toughness. Then he adds hashtag
Speaker 1: still not an expert.
Speaker 3: I see what you did there, Well done.
Speaker 1: At Elliot Ruson h says, if either of you three
Speaker 1: have looked at the available portal options, which one do
Speaker 1: you think you will or they will prioritize. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of transfer portal stuff obviously, everody wants to
Speaker 1: know the guy if I could have one, you named
Speaker 1: him Chris Donovan Dentz the guy I want. He was
Speaker 1: a very That to me is what a championship point
Speaker 1: guard looks like.
Speaker 2: He is exactly the type of player that I was
Speaker 2: talking about wanting to play a combo ish guard alongside
Speaker 2: Darren Peterson.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's the answer. How would he do alongside Darren Peterson?
Speaker 1: You ask, Well, he'd score well, and he would draw
Speaker 1: attention away from Peterson because you can't leave them wide open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And he could handle the ball and
Speaker 2: draw defenses to him, leaving Darren Peterson more open.
Speaker 1: That would also let Omark or Jackson back up either
Speaker 1: one off the bench. I do think Jackson will be better.
Speaker 1: I don't think he should start, at least right off
Speaker 1: the bat unless he's shown that. I would love to
Speaker 1: see Jackson in that I can back up either Peterson
Speaker 1: or Dent for fifteen minutes a game. I think that'd
Speaker 1: be a great role for him as well. I would
Speaker 1: take those guys as my three point guard options.
Speaker 2: In some very sad news for me personally and in podcast,
Speaker 2: lore Josan Sanan my beloved, I want that come to Kansas.
Speaker 2: He's he's gonna play for Rick Patino. He's going He's
Speaker 2: going to Queen's. He's gonna play for the Red Storm.
Speaker 1: Saint John's feels like tampering. What do I know? That's fine?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Probably At says, oh, okay, we got more, we got
Speaker 1: more transfer news.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, Josh from Iowa, there's
Speaker 2: one also to watch. He's the fourth rate right now,
Speaker 2: give me him.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, that's that's the yes. Please if they go
Speaker 1: Dick Dickinson, Dix all in a row, that's that's the like,
Speaker 1: that's impossible. At Rock Chuk eighty four, do you remember
Speaker 1: episode one? Well, these two don't I do. I remember
Speaker 1: sitting in a cold college radio station recording that episode,
Speaker 1: talking about Wayne Selden scoring a lot of points in
Speaker 1: Kansas beating Oklahoma col to bounce back.
Speaker 2: Like seventy three there.
Speaker 1: It was early January, and there was a time where
Speaker 1: we couldn't fix the window that was stuck open, so
Speaker 1: it did get pretty cold in there. I think it
Speaker 1: was about fifty two degrees one day when I walked
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: It is cold.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they bounced back from the San Diego State
Speaker 1: Home loss. That was our first that was our first show.
Speaker 1: Jim also says, do you think he will get to
Speaker 1: one thousand. Wow, well that would put us in two
Speaker 1: thousand and like thirty six or something like that. I'm
Speaker 1: sure twelve more years, twelve more years.
Speaker 2: When they hired Tyler self to be the head coach,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: That they'll be on your aid of Jeremy Mike Woodson
Speaker 1: case Landon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Elliott says, congrats on five hundred. Keep pumping out
Speaker 1: good moments. I'm sure you'll go over favorite moments. But
Speaker 1: what are some memorable old episodes that you guys can
Speaker 1: remember recording or listening to. Oh man, I need to
Speaker 1: put these in like a Google drive, like the set
Speaker 1: of KU season ending losses, because the Wichita State one
Speaker 1: is an Oregon those two were just hit you right
Speaker 1: in the below the balls sort of painful shows. The
Speaker 1: Arizona State recap that these two did a few weeks
Speaker 1: ago was pretty freaking good. Or the preview of that
Speaker 1: that got a little yeah.
Speaker 2: That was.
Speaker 3: That was good.
Speaker 1: That all started because Cam made a Luigi Manngioni joke.
Speaker 1: I remember knowing he made that. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna go good. There it goes.
Speaker 3: Oh man? Yeah, Well, and that's why they brought me
Speaker 3: on here.
Speaker 1: Let me think about it. I need to think about
Speaker 1: more of the best moments at show me how I
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear you guys recap a game of
Speaker 1: the Natoates era at Kansas. And then he goes on
Speaker 1: to write, it would sound like this, number twelve Baylor
Speaker 1: ninety seven, number three Kansas eighty nine at Allen Field House, NATOS.
Speaker 1: It's exactly not wrong.
Speaker 2: He is right. It's exactly how we go.
Speaker 1: If anyone has seen the bracket that I filled out
Speaker 1: in the Rock Chalk blogpool says, show me Hawk, I've
Speaker 1: got Houston and Texas Tech in the championship game, says
Speaker 1: not only would that be a great battle, but would
Speaker 1: it make us feel better about finishing sixth in the
Speaker 1: best league in the country. There's nothing that can happen
Speaker 1: that would make the Big trop better than the SEC
Speaker 1: this year, even if that's the matchup.
Speaker 2: Nor make me feel better about how the season went.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this the season sucked. I mean they were complete
Speaker 3: horse pooh.
Speaker 1: Also, I said on the last show that the SEC
Speaker 1: had a pretty disappointing first round. I thought they did.
Speaker 1: They went nine and five. They then proceeded to go
Speaker 1: eight and one and round two where only Texas A
Speaker 1: and M lost and they have half of the second weekend.
Speaker 1: They have half the team still left, so I'd say
Speaker 1: they did just fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they were buying far the best all
Speaker 3: the way throughout the year. They're still good.
Speaker 1: So Saint Louis is a host site for the first weekend.
Speaker 1: Next show points out, show me hawk. Let me just
Speaker 1: get the official drop of Saint Louis up. One second.
Speaker 1: There it is, ads. It would be really convenient for
Speaker 1: a lot of fans to go, and it'd be cool
Speaker 1: to see Kansas fans take over the Enterprise Center once again.
Speaker 1: The official drop of the Enterprise Center. There we go.
Speaker 1: Just wanted to throw that some Saint Louis shade out there.
Speaker 1: Have all of you guys been to Saint Louis only
Speaker 1: driven through direction?
Speaker 3: Man, I've been there once.
Speaker 1: So Saint Louis is so lousy that whenever they built
Speaker 1: the iconic monument that everyone knows Saint Louis for, it
Speaker 1: literally symbolizes leaving Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: That's true, that is absolutely yeah, the gateway to the West,
Speaker 2: not Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 3: I've never heard anyone go I'm taking the first bus
Speaker 3: to Saint Louis. It's like going to Cleveland on spring break.
Speaker 3: I'm going to Cleveland.
Speaker 1: I'd like to go to Cleveland just to check out
Speaker 1: the amunum.
Speaker 3: They don't.
Speaker 1: I don't go to Cleveland because the cedar points right
Speaker 1: there that looks like a great bucket list item.
Speaker 3: Cleveland is so boring that Deshaun Watson had to go
Speaker 3: to get happy ending massages. All playing in the NFL.
Speaker 1: At rock Jack eighty four. If Washburn and k You
Speaker 1: played again, what would be the spread? Oh god, now,
Speaker 1: well they don't.
Speaker 3: Have like they only like Washburn money line. As a
Speaker 3: power player k by thirty two units, they'd be favored.
Speaker 1: By a lot.
Speaker 2: How did Washburn basketball?
Speaker 1: Do Washburne basketball in the Elite eight something? They're in
Speaker 1: the end the Division two Elite eight.
Speaker 2: I think I am seeing that. Yes, they did have
Speaker 2: quite a good Yeah, they went thirty and three in
Speaker 2: the regular season. They did lose the thirty one to
Speaker 2: Kansas in the exhibition.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that game was close for a little bit.
Speaker 1: That game was like forty three to twenty nine or
Speaker 1: forty three to thirty two or something at halftime, which whatever,
Speaker 1: it's an exhibition game Zeke Mayo Little Washburn, and we
Speaker 1: were like, oh man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Kansas minus like eighteen nineteen at least.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's way more than that. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: It's at least twenty five thirty two?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say twenty five and a half.
Speaker 2: You're probably right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then at at Chris or excuse me, at
Speaker 1: show me, Hawk says it is MLB Opening Day, Yes
Speaker 1: it is, says he would like to predict for the
Speaker 1: Royals win ninety three games in the al Central comment
Speaker 1: he would let me to play this drop in the background.
Speaker 1: Here we go, let me just get it to Buffalo.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I hope you're right about the Royals.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit nervous that that team just stayed
Speaker 1: completely healthy last year and everything kind of went right.
Speaker 1: But they do have a super and whenever you have
Speaker 1: a superstar, you're always going to be in a playoff race,
Speaker 1: like the Angels, who have won lots of playoff games
Speaker 1: with Mike Trout. Am I right? Please? Somebody tell me?
Speaker 1: And that is true? Who's in fairness to him? Shoeotani
Speaker 1: now has a lot of playoff wins because he left right.
Speaker 2: I think the Royals will be fine this year. I
Speaker 2: think I think I would predict a little bit of regression.
Speaker 2: But hey, it's opening day. I'm pumped. I hope. This
Speaker 2: is probably the most excited I've been for a baseball
Speaker 2: season in my life other than fifteen. So I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Maybe sixteen sixteen had a lot of.
Speaker 1: MLB the show too. I heard that on the last
Speaker 1: show we may have to play some MLB this show.
Speaker 1: That's a fun game.
Speaker 2: I've been running a bunch of season sims in franchise
Speaker 2: mode just playing GM. It's great. It's so fun.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's what everyone does with it. Cam is a
Speaker 1: Detroit Tiers fan. They're obviously rivals of the Royals. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna come down to Minnesota, Kansas City into
Speaker 1: De Troit in the division race this year because the
Speaker 1: division is so bad. Eighty six wins may get you it. Cam,
Speaker 1: is there a lot of hype up there? Trek Scuball
Speaker 1: is pretty good?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean, I don't know, dude. We Detroit
Speaker 3: Sports let us down every single year in some capacities.
Speaker 3: I mean, we'll be fine. It'll be.
Speaker 2: Choking away another playoff run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just glad. I don't care about hockey. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I wish we did a good even care about they?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what just think of what you had to
Speaker 1: sit through last year to get to this point. If
Speaker 1: you ever have anything I didn't sit, use the hashtag ascars. Right,
Speaker 1: Cam was in Chicago where Landing will soon be. And
Speaker 1: you know that what what starts in Chicago ends? And yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Landon, you did a really good job last
Speaker 1: time giving us a project. We're gonna do a little uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a little game here, a little another
Speaker 1: draft i've heard rumblings of, and we have twenty three
Speaker 1: minutes to get it done. Surely we can do that.
Speaker 2: Oh, we'll give it a shot. Yeah, we're gonna do
Speaker 2: a one year at Kansas player draft. That can be
Speaker 2: a freshman, that can be a transfer, but they can
Speaker 2: only have played played being the key here, not just attended,
Speaker 2: but played one season with the Jayhawks. I think we
Speaker 2: were gonna do a randomizer to decide the draft order
Speaker 2: this time.
Speaker 1: So I am opening chat GPT and I'm going to say,
Speaker 1: please randomize the names Ryan Landon and Cam all right,
Speaker 1: were ready here? We go. Let's see what they say.
Speaker 1: Here are some randomizations. Cam You're up first, just like
Speaker 1: you were last time, Land, and you're gonna be second,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go third. So we're gonna do a
Speaker 1: snake draft where I'll pick first. In round two, I'll
Speaker 1: have three and four, and we'll snake back.
Speaker 2: Around and we are gonna do seven players per Ryan's request.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna have some truly absurd selections by the
Speaker 2: end of this that's the funnle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we could have ten selections, but we made legitimate
Speaker 1: only run out of players and have to draft Tugger Vang.
Speaker 3: That's fine.
Speaker 1: So as did you already say the rules? Land, They
Speaker 1: have to be in the itp era and they have
Speaker 1: to have played exactly one season at Kansas. They can
Speaker 1: be a transfer, they can be a one and done freshman,
Speaker 1: they can be a grad transfer, whatever, but they have
Speaker 1: to have only competed in one season at Kansas.
Speaker 2: Correct. I did say that part. I did not say yes,
Speaker 2: we are doing we are doing yet again the itp era.
Speaker 2: That is from Andrew Wiggins freshman year in twenty thirteen, fourteen.
Speaker 2: You probably will be relevant soon to this draft.
Speaker 1: The first pastics are real easy. So cam you pick
Speaker 1: whoever you want and land and you have the easiest
Speaker 1: pick ever.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually going to take Andrew Wiggins.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think you had him last time too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like athletes.
Speaker 1: I agree by either wear.
Speaker 2: Crossover here for sure.
Speaker 1: I heard some people talking on a ten the other
Speaker 1: day the local sports station about how Andrew Wiggins if
Speaker 1: Darren Peterson is Andrew Wiggins. Somebody said that would be disappointing.
Speaker 1: Get the hell out of here. Andrew Wigans should have
Speaker 1: won Big Twelve Player of the Year. He evers eighteen
Speaker 1: points as a freshman as an eighteen year old kid
Speaker 1: at Kansas. Good god, he was one of the ten
Speaker 1: best players in the country. If that's disappointing, then you
Speaker 1: are ridiculous. He had the best freshman season in the
Speaker 1: history of the school.
Speaker 2: Unless you prefer the contrariy and take that. Josh Jackson
Speaker 2: had the best freshman year in the history of the school,
Speaker 2: and that is who I am taking.
Speaker 1: Josh Jexas Can I take Daron Peterson? I asked this
Speaker 1: last time and was rejected. I'm gonna try again because
Speaker 1: I have to try.
Speaker 2: No, No, he's not played Dan at Kansas. He could
Speaker 2: break his ankle and never played basketball again, it.
Speaker 1: Was true, or he could decommit, which there are many
Speaker 1: people in the UH and the ask RCB questions that
Speaker 1: want to ask that sometimes. Oh my gosh, is he
Speaker 1: going to leave because he sees this lousy team that
Speaker 1: Bill has prepared for him? No, No, he'll be a Jayhawk.
Speaker 1: He'll be a Jayhawk.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I think you have a pretty you have
Speaker 2: a pretty easy third pick here, Ryan.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, the easy third is Joel that's you
Speaker 1: have to go with. Oh really, okay, I think I
Speaker 1: know who else you're thinking. But that means I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to wait a lot longer on a point guard.
Speaker 1: And I don't love doing that because I but I
Speaker 1: guess nobody's had a point guard. Yes. The next easy
Speaker 1: option is the most outstanding player of the twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament, which is Elite Newman. I've got to get
Speaker 1: a guy who can shoot threes. I think I know
Speaker 1: exactly who else you thought I was taking. Malite Newman
Speaker 1: had the better overall season than that guy. I will
Speaker 1: take him and Joe l Embiid at three and four.
Speaker 2: UH. That is probably true, I do have. There is
Speaker 2: a sneaky guy I could take here, took him last time.
Speaker 2: There's another freshman that I really like. I think I
Speaker 2: have to go with the freshmen here. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go with Grady Dick.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 2: Grady Dick's really good. I like Grady Dick and Josh
Speaker 2: Jackson playing next to each other.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Remy Martin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: And then I think after that, I think this gets
Speaker 1: a lot harder. I think those are a clear, clear
Speaker 1: cut top six. Uh, there are other good players. There
Speaker 1: is one more. I think that, yes, there is one more,
Speaker 1: but those, I think that he's seven in a tier
Speaker 1: by himself. I'm curious if Cam. If Cam picks up on.
Speaker 3: It, yeah, I think, uh, I'm I think, I think
Speaker 3: I am. I'm gonna take Ddrich Lawson.
Speaker 1: That's not at all who I freaking thought. There is
Speaker 1: another one, And now I'm angry. I didn't think of
Speaker 1: Ddrik because he was really good.
Speaker 2: I did think of Didrich and I passed and I
Speaker 2: have regretted my choice. Well, Cam one again, so let's
Speaker 2: see what we got here. You have someone's specific in
Speaker 2: mind here Ryan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there's a pretty clear cut answer.
Speaker 2: Here did he play in the last two seasons?
Speaker 1: I don't want to answer that.
Speaker 2: I think I think I know.
Speaker 1: Okay, go for it.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I want to take him.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to take him. I
Speaker 2: really desperately need a point guard. This guy can kind
Speaker 2: of play point guard.
Speaker 1: Okay, then we're not thinking of the same person.
Speaker 2: Then, really Okay, Yeah, there's a couple. There's a couple
Speaker 2: older generate older quote unquote early early of this discussion era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I think you're starting to get closer to it.
Speaker 2: Okay, and I'm really curious. I'm sure I'm it will
Speaker 2: be someone obvious that I'll completely blank. I should have
Speaker 2: done research that would have been helpful. We decided this
Speaker 2: like eight hours ago. This was officially what we were
Speaker 2: doing tonight.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Oh, boy, one year at Kansas there's another great one
Speaker 2: year at Kansas post player.
Speaker 1: We need a time limit because and Landon figures this
Speaker 1: out and takes him, I'm gonna be mad.
Speaker 2: I want I want to figure it out really badly.
Speaker 2: Oh there's also well, I say, Moss, wasn't that good.
Speaker 2: He's fine. He'll he'll get picked here, not by me,
Speaker 2: but he'll get picked in this draft. I am deeply
Speaker 2: struggling to think of who it is. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to bail from that, and unfortunately, and I will lose
Speaker 2: myself the draft on this. I will take Zeke Mayo.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's that's see. That's actually not who I
Speaker 1: was thinking. But I think the piece that I need.
Speaker 1: Go ahead and give Zeke Mao analysis. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty good guy to land at eight.
Speaker 2: I mean, an unreal shooter, especially if you pay him
Speaker 2: next to Grady Dick. He can be a.
Speaker 1: Shooter of any of those guys that we've been that's
Speaker 1: been picked statistically hold.
Speaker 2: Your laughter, but he can handle the ball a little bit.
Speaker 2: He's a good player with some glaring flaws, but he
Speaker 2: can shoot the lights out of the building. And you
Speaker 2: have Zeke Mao Grady Dick, who can both absolutely light
Speaker 2: you up from beyond the arc. Josh Jackson no slouch
Speaker 2: from behind the arc either, crazy athlete. You can play
Speaker 2: a really really fast with those three.
Speaker 1: And I think the guy that I'm gonna take that
Speaker 1: I thought you would take, And maybe this will be
Speaker 1: completely not something that was on your radar, goes way
Speaker 1: back to before you guys were on this show. I
Speaker 1: need Kelly Ubray to be my fore man next to
Speaker 1: Joel embiid.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought of Kelly Ubray and I passed on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just the way the roster is constructed, and
Speaker 1: now I have another one and I'm going but you
Speaker 1: now it's starting to get a little bit harder. Like
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna take the guy I want. I
Speaker 1: don't think whenever we inevitably asked Twitter who won this draft,
Speaker 1: this guy isn't going to get me any votes, which
Speaker 1: I'm kind of focused on getting. But I think it's
Speaker 1: the right pick. And I we need a point guard,
Speaker 1: like I can't think of a single one and done
Speaker 1: point guard that makes a lot of sense here. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to come up with at least three
Speaker 1: landing got Zeke Mayo.
Speaker 2: Just for the no.
Speaker 1: I hate this. I hate this so much. This is
Speaker 1: so much less fun than it just was than the
Speaker 1: first one was. Because everybody was an All American the
Speaker 1: first time and we did this in like a week.
Speaker 1: Then maybe I could take Rylan Griffin as like the
Speaker 1: last bench piece. But I'm gonna take a guy who
Speaker 1: Landon mentioned Isaiah Moss. I'm gonna take the guy who
Speaker 1: was better than that. I'm gonna take Jayleen Coleman Lanz,
Speaker 1: who I don't think is going to get me. That's
Speaker 1: not gonna get me a lot of votes on Twitter,
Speaker 1: but he was a forty four percent three point shooter
Speaker 1: just sitting there that I think Bill self incredibly underutilize
Speaker 1: and I think he's a He's definitely You guys have
Speaker 1: two guys that can eat shoot. You got Wiggins and Martin,
Speaker 1: cam Landing got Mayo and Grady. I gotta have someone
Speaker 1: next to elite Newman that can knock down threes, and
Speaker 1: that's gonna be Jayen Coleman Lands. He's gonna play quite
Speaker 1: a bit.
Speaker 3: That's I was gonna pick.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating take. I think I am going, Oh, actually, well,
Speaker 2: once again, I think I'm gonna have to take a
Speaker 2: guy a little bit that I have to take here.
Speaker 1: Sam Cunliffe, congrats, come get your land in Jersey, Come
Speaker 1: on down.
Speaker 2: Man, want to spoil again? Or there's a couple guys
Speaker 2: I could take. I think this other guy is thought
Speaker 2: of so poorly that I can't possibly do it. So
Speaker 2: I am going to take Cliff Alexander.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great pick. He was very underappreciated. He
Speaker 1: was quite good when he played.
Speaker 2: Obviously he had to sit the end of the twenty
Speaker 2: fourteen to fifteen season, but he was He was a
Speaker 2: very solid player when he was actually out there. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe he's not Embeid. He obviously did not have the
Speaker 2: scoring numbers of Detrich Lawson, but he was a very
Speaker 2: very solid five on that team, and his ear just
Speaker 2: got cut short by academic issues or not academic issues,
Speaker 2: but just like NCAA issues.
Speaker 1: Yep, something that if he played in twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: instead of twenty fifteen, he would have still been playing
Speaker 1: and not missed any time.
Speaker 3: Good pick, really good pick, man. So I get two
Speaker 3: picks here, correct, So I'm gonna go with Isaiah Moss
Speaker 3: okay for a guard spot. And then I am legitimately
Speaker 3: running out of ideas. I can't believe him saying this
Speaker 3: right now. I hate everything. I'm gonna take Hunter Micklson Okay. Wow,
Speaker 3: I don't, dude, I'm running out of ideas. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't have any other ideas.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick up my bench. Is gonna make Hunter
Speaker 1: Michelson be like, yes, Cam's got the best team.
Speaker 2: You got any reason for Hunter Nicholson? You want to
Speaker 2: give Hunter Michelson.
Speaker 3: Analysis legitimately the only big man that I can remember
Speaker 3: playing one year at Kansas and it's just so obscure.
Speaker 3: That's that's all I can remember.
Speaker 1: He played on the throwback Arkansas, like in that players
Speaker 1: tournament or whatever. Oh oh, also, I have to I
Speaker 1: hate to be this guy. Uh, Hunter Michelson is ineligible.
Speaker 1: He played two seasons at Kansas.
Speaker 3: Okay, well then and sixteen. Here you go. Me changed,
Speaker 3: let me change the let me change this. This is
Speaker 3: gonna make it even better.
Speaker 1: Zoobi edge for Okay, what a sheet code because people
Speaker 1: are gonna love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. People are gonna be like, oh it's now.
Speaker 1: Zubie yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Once again, Cam will win the draft as I
Speaker 2: have to select Quentin Grimes.
Speaker 1: Pick I didn't think about that. That will help you
Speaker 1: landon because people will again remember him as good.
Speaker 2: Quinton Grimes, he is now quite good. I recently went
Speaker 2: to an Oklahoma City Thunder game where they played the
Speaker 2: seventy six ers and watched Quinton Grimes drop twenty eight
Speaker 2: points and look like a very good player. Uh you know,
Speaker 2: his Kansas time was deeply, deeply frustrating a year that
Speaker 2: I talked about right here on this podcast. He started
Speaker 2: to be very good. His time at Kansas was super weird,
Speaker 2: super weird, but he was an athlete. He was really
Speaker 2: good at the ball in his hands, and he was
Speaker 2: still better than like Nick Timberlake by a lot. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: Like we thought Quinton Grimes was a megabust when it happened,
Speaker 2: but like AJ Storer and like Nick Timberlake have put
Speaker 2: that to shame.
Speaker 3: Yep, good job, Bill.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna have to freaking pick Nick Timberlake as
Speaker 1: a point guard. I can see it coming right down
Speaker 1: the peril.
Speaker 2: So I never in a million years, why do that.
Speaker 1: The Lake Newman's gonna run the point on this team.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty obvious. As the sixth man here,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a guy that I think was was
Speaker 1: a little bit underrated at Kansas, but he's he's the
Speaker 1: best piece that has not been claimed left. So I
Speaker 1: am going to take Dwight Colby to come off the
Speaker 1: bench and ug up Joel embiid Yes, Doug Land or
Speaker 1: Daniel can remembers Daniel thought his name was Doug Colby
Speaker 1: and would call him that for years and it was
Speaker 1: not his name. Dwight Colby won Kansas a game against
Speaker 1: Kentucky at Ropperina in his in his one year there.
Speaker 1: And now it's now we're really down. Now each have
Speaker 1: two picks left, so we're gonna have to somehow come
Speaker 1: up with six names.
Speaker 3: I have an idea, but I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: within the timeframe. Okay, what like say it until I No,
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know the you're offside of my head.
Speaker 1: Okay, God, I don't want to take Nick Timberlake. But
Speaker 1: he's the best. No he's not. No, he's not. I'll
Speaker 1: figure it out later. It's a guy also from that team.
Speaker 1: It's Johnny Furfey that needs to come off.
Speaker 3: The bat like.
Speaker 1: He's like he was still a good enough shooter. He
Speaker 1: can be the sixth man on this roster. I'll figure
Speaker 1: the point guard out later, Malik, he might be playing
Speaker 1: the one.
Speaker 2: That's a good pick. Johnny Furfrey's a solid pick there.
Speaker 2: I like that. I have to do a quick stat
Speaker 2: Google to see if I want to draft.
Speaker 1: Both my AirPods and my wireless mouse are dead. They're
Speaker 1: both charging. I have no tools. I cannot google anything.
Speaker 1: I'm holding the phone to my ear like I'm in
Speaker 1: the seventies again while the mouse recharges before we're done
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: I had to do that a few shows back. My
Speaker 2: AirPods died mid show and I was like, oh no.
Speaker 1: It's going seamlessly until the mouse died. And now my
Speaker 1: Google has been taken away from me because I can't
Speaker 1: click on anything. So I don't know what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do with this last guy. I'm gonna have to take
Speaker 1: Nick Timberlake or Sam kun left, because the only two
Speaker 1: guys I can think of I have such is.
Speaker 2: What did h What did Errek? Black?
Speaker 3: Dud? I'm gonna throw something And that was my.
Speaker 2: Idea, Oh Black, I'm selecting Taric Black. My debate is over.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't remember exactly what he did.
Speaker 2: I remember being pretty good.
Speaker 1: He was kansass best player in the Stanford loss.
Speaker 3: That's how I legitimately have zero ideas.
Speaker 2: Hey, there's another guy from that team that only played
Speaker 2: one year at Kansas.
Speaker 1: That might have to be my point guard. No, don't you,
Speaker 1: Derek Camp that I need a point guard.
Speaker 3: And heavy and they like to my yep, my team's
Speaker 3: guard heavy and they like to drink and drive. The
Speaker 3: Secretary of Defense, give me a Connor Frank Camp.
Speaker 1: Fun I t P Reference Daniel said the day Connor
Speaker 1: Frank Camp left. Are you serious? They kept Frank Mason
Speaker 1: and let Frank Camp leave. I remember that one.
Speaker 2: Well that's really funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh well, legitimately don't even know who's left. Camp's gotta
Speaker 1: come up with one more name, and then I gotta
Speaker 1: come up.
Speaker 3: There's a coup. Oh, there's there's one. Is it my pick?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Charlie. It's Charlie Moore time.
Speaker 1: No, no, no it's not. It's never Charlie Moore.
Speaker 2: Time, except when Charlie Moore's on the floor.
Speaker 3: I just realized it.
Speaker 2: I elusively Charlie Moore time.
Speaker 3: I have so many guards on this team, A.
Speaker 1: Lot of very sad twenty nineteen references here land. Does
Speaker 1: it bring back memories a lot?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Really, I'm seeing I'm seeing Auburn hitting another three like
Speaker 2: it's the Vietnam War.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: My my final pick, I want to take a guard.
Speaker 2: I need I need a guard, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Land, and let's work together on this because there
Speaker 1: are no winning options at this point.
Speaker 2: Okay, MJ Rice is available.
Speaker 1: The names that are still on my mind, Yes, m
Speaker 1: J Rice is there, Bobby Pettiford and Joe Yesfu I
Speaker 1: believe played two years, so I think they are.
Speaker 2: I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think did Yes, Yes, I definitely played two years,
Speaker 1: and I think Petiford did to. MJ Rice is there?
Speaker 1: Sam Kunliffe is still there?
Speaker 2: Is there?
Speaker 1: kJ Lawson? Yeah, that's this is this is hard.
Speaker 2: Like I'm looking up Bobby Pediford just to make sure
Speaker 2: I think you are right.
Speaker 1: He was on He came back the next year, Yeah
Speaker 1: he did because he hit the game winner in the Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: Game the year have to Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: There's also Shek Diallo, who is a little bit of
Speaker 1: a wild card.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because boy did his NBA career elevate him. I
Speaker 2: think I think those are all the names.
Speaker 1: Until we get some news this year or this week
Speaker 1: which AJ store you could get an advanced loan on
Speaker 1: AJ store.
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna do what I have to do.
Speaker 2: Trying to do one last mental run through to make
Speaker 2: sure there's.
Speaker 1: No there's also one guy that we've talked about that
Speaker 1: is still there, and he is definitely the best player left.
Speaker 2: We've talked about him.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's not someone that you're that's gonna get
Speaker 1: you votes, but he's the best player of all the
Speaker 1: ones we've mentioned by a good amount.
Speaker 2: I I I genuinely don't. Oh it's Nick Timberlake.
Speaker 1: It is Timberlake. Yeah, he's the best one left.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: He did score nineteen points in an NCAA tournament game.
Speaker 2: He did, which kJ Lawson famously did not do. Let's look,
Speaker 2: what did Nick Timberlake do? And he scored ten points
Speaker 2: a game?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the answer.
Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, well, that's no, he's that's his first career.
Speaker 2: He scored five Kansas.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was gonna say, I don't remember the fans.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't remember that at all. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was his career numbers, Man, this is brutal.
Speaker 1: If you'd prefer somebody over Nick Timberlake. The only other
Speaker 1: name I can think of is Shaquille Moore.
Speaker 2: Oh. Actually, for those really yeah, missing.
Speaker 1: Give us a hint. Cam.
Speaker 3: He's still in.
Speaker 2: Twelve yeah, yep, uh, I'm gonna for the votes and
Speaker 2: the vibes. I'm taking Shack.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a good call. If his foot's healthy,
Speaker 1: he would have been much more.
Speaker 2: In fact, this team is feisty.
Speaker 1: Yeah they are. They shoot a lot of bricks at times,
Speaker 1: but they they're pretty feisty.
Speaker 2: Some of them are at car tail lights.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to make them mad, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Landa is not the all potential alleged criminal team. Actually, no,
Speaker 1: six of your dudes have no issues. They get technical
Speaker 1: sut there only Josh Jackson's been in trouble for getting
Speaker 1: a kid high, right.
Speaker 3: Which is pretty allegedly right.
Speaker 2: And you can make your last pick and then we'll
Speaker 2: run through the teams and then we'll post it on
Speaker 2: Twitter and we'll let everyone vote.
Speaker 1: All right, So I mean, let's go over who's left.
Speaker 1: I'm going to I have to take Nick Timberlake. He's
Speaker 1: the only like he's he's the best player left, which
Speaker 1: is ghastly. He's the twenty first best one and done
Speaker 1: in the celf Era who did not get chosen.
Speaker 2: Probably is the is the best one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ernest caam Martin. Oh forgot about Camp. I remember
Speaker 1: when I was convinced Cam Martin would be the.
Speaker 3: James Sasinski Yo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, only one of these guys that scored in the
Speaker 1: final four.
Speaker 3: It's true that never happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did never happen. That's speaking of allegedly Kjo.
Speaker 2: Scored in the final four.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And then the guys that are still left. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the guys that are available, Nick Timberlake is that is
Speaker 1: has to be the answer. I will just by this much,
Speaker 1: pass on, pass on, Sam Kun left and uh and
Speaker 1: move on. A name I have not said in a
Speaker 1: long time. Tark Black was a good find by U Land,
Speaker 1: and that was one that I felt would slip under
Speaker 1: the radar. I had a little cocky and I wanted
Speaker 1: to pair him with Joel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you got a funnel it in Dwight Colby, though,
Speaker 2: should we run through the teams? Cam to run through
Speaker 2: your lineup.
Speaker 1: As I will use my keyboard and keyboard alone to
Speaker 1: scroll up in the notes.
Speaker 3: All right, So I have the birdman Remy Martin running
Speaker 3: the point, with Isaiah Moss shooting yard, a small forward
Speaker 3: with Maple Jordan Andrew Wiggins and Didrich Lawson guard forward.
Speaker 3: Slash center, five man Zoobi edge forwards. Sixth man behind
Speaker 3: the wheel driving allegedly under the influence Connor fran Camp.
Speaker 3: And then seventh man is Charlie Moore time.
Speaker 2: Cam with the shortest bench ever in a college basketball roster.
Speaker 3: It's how we ride.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't wait for Bill self to see
Speaker 2: Remy Martin do things that he hates for some reason,
Speaker 2: look to the bench and pull him for Charlie Moore,
Speaker 2: great rip.
Speaker 1: Out what's left of his two pay.
Speaker 2: I have starting at the point, Zeke Mayo, great shooter,
Speaker 2: knocked down a lot of a lot of threes in
Speaker 2: his one year at Kansas. Another guy who knocked down
Speaker 2: a lot of threes at one of years Kansas was
Speaker 2: Grady Dick. He's playing the two. I have Josh Jackson,
Speaker 2: a supreme athlete, a good defender on the outside. Playing
Speaker 2: the four would really be Josh Jackson, So playing the three.
Speaker 2: In reality, we'll be quitting Grimes, who had a mixed
Speaker 2: year at Kansas went on to do great things. However
Speaker 2: much you want to take that into account, you are
Speaker 2: welcome to My five man is Cliff Alexander was great
Speaker 2: before the unfair, unjust suspension. He was a very good
Speaker 2: player at Kansas. My sixth man is gonna be Tarek Black,
Speaker 2: who was more or less a sixth man at Kansas
Speaker 2: and was very good after the Joel Embiid injury as well.
Speaker 2: And then my seventh is Shaq Moore, who you know,
Speaker 2: he didn't do a ton this year at Kansas Battle
Speaker 2: to injuries, but he's pretty feisty, good defender, can knock
Speaker 2: down the occasional shot, can dunk out of nowhere, is
Speaker 2: a smart player, can do a lot of things. Well.
Speaker 2: I like the lineup, well, I do not.
Speaker 1: Like this roster, but we're gonna ride with in the
Speaker 1: battle because it's what great coaches do. Starting at the point,
Speaker 1: we have Elite Newman, most outstanding player of the Midwest region,
Speaker 1: and after that it all goes south quickly. I'm going
Speaker 1: to start Jalen Coleman Lands and Johnny Furfey as my
Speaker 1: wings right alongside him. This team can shoot threes. I
Speaker 1: don't know how good they are at defense, but they
Speaker 1: can shoot threes. Kelly Ubray can play the four, and
Speaker 1: he can do a little bit of everything, especially if
Speaker 1: I'm getting the current version. Joelle Embiid is the five man,
Speaker 1: the most dominant center in the Big twelve and the
Speaker 1: twelve or whatever games he started. And then we're bringing
Speaker 1: off a banner duo off the bench, Dwight Colby and
Speaker 1: his no career starts at Kansas and Nick Brick Timberlake
Speaker 1: can come off the bench to go for a dunk
Speaker 1: and draw a horrible foul call against some thirteen seed
Speaker 1: that they should have lost due to hopefully ride us
Speaker 1: to victory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, possibly the wrong.
Speaker 1: What a way to do? Show five hundred. Let's see
Speaker 1: if I have enough juice in the mouse to click
Speaker 1: the airhorn one more time and it is Look at
Speaker 1: that there it is all right, Well, thank you for
Speaker 1: listening to not just Dice, but five hundred, up to
Speaker 1: five hundred shows of itp here's to another five hundred.
Speaker 1: I will not let them leave until we get to
Speaker 1: a thousand. That's how this works, right.
Speaker 2: That is kidnapping.
Speaker 1: That is that is Chris Yap allegedly. But you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see how many games if they win. But thank
Speaker 1: you to everybody who's listening. What's made the show what
Speaker 1: it has. It's gotten a bigger and bigger audience. Every
Speaker 1: single one of the twelve years we've done this. Who
Speaker 1: knows what season thirteen and beyond will look like. I
Speaker 1: have a hard time believing that either one of these
Speaker 1: two will leave the three man dream team that they're
Speaker 1: a part of. But you never know. They could answer
Speaker 1: the portal, they could up for the NBA. We'll figure
Speaker 1: it out. I'll be here. I don't know who'll be
Speaker 1: next to me, but I'll be here next year talking
Speaker 1: about how Kansas is the most dangerous six seed in
Speaker 1: all the land. I'm Ryan Landern.
Speaker 2: This is itp I'll probably be back, Yeah, No, I
Speaker 2: mean I want to echo everything Ryan said as well.
Speaker 2: It's been awesome to do this. Five hundred is crazy.
Speaker 2: Been on two ninety two of them. Love seeing you
Speaker 2: guys interact, all the compliments, love all the insults, love
Speaker 2: all the questions, love all the takes. It's been a
Speaker 2: great ride. Looking forward to more of it. I'm Landing Fields.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as you started speaking, that really beautiful, you know.
Speaker 1: Come on, degenerate, Robert Frost, you got something in I
Speaker 1: saw I saw a.
Speaker 3: Commercial for Band of Brothers. Come on Netflix, and I
Speaker 3: tell you what, there's no one I'd rather be in
Speaker 3: a fox hole with. And two more onso microphones. That's right,
Speaker 3: I'll be back that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fact. But Campe'll say something hilarious and the.
Speaker 3: I'll be I'll be here. I'll be here if my
Speaker 3: mental health stays stays intact while long enough, and uh,
Speaker 3: we'll find yourselves.
Speaker 2: I'll be happy to be there with you.
Speaker 3: Cam im me bleeding out, remembering to morow Trumper's shot.
Speaker 1: I'm thirty now, sir, I might be too old for
Speaker 1: the draft. You guys may have a little bit more time.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm done with that.
Speaker 2: Hey, you guys are only one executive order away from that.
Speaker 3: Being Yeah, I'm done. Yeah, it's not great.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll probably be back sometime between one and
Speaker 1: two weeks. If I'm guessing, we're gonna start getting Kansas
Speaker 1: Portal news soon, and whenever we do, we'll come back.
Speaker 1: Like the rest of the tournament really isn't enough to
Speaker 1: get us all back in here to talk about it,
Speaker 1: just because it's not Kansas related. But whenever we start
Speaker 1: having legitimate KU news, well we'll be back. So until then,
Speaker 1: by TP, somebody somebody say bye five hundred times
Speaker 2: Hm, hmm, bugs, bunny, no, no, bye, guys,