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your support. All Right, so let's talk about birthright citizenship Shally,

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Of all of the billions of executive orders that I

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could pick to go deep on, this is one of them.

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Because I know this issue has been I mean, this

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has been an issue for decades, despite what you may hear.

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I'm old enough to remember when people were talking about

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this twenty plus years ago, right when George W. Bush

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tried his amnesty plan. Was when I first became aware

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of this and started, you know, reading up on it.

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And I've heard all of these arguments, and now we're

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going to have the argument, which is, by the way,

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what happens in a democracy. That's what happens. You guys

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say we're a democracy, you are defenders of the democracy,

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and great, well, this is what a democracy looks like.

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Right to channel the Antifah moon bats marching in the

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streets with their drums and devil sticks. That's what they're called,

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those little batons that anyway, we have the debate. We

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have a discussion because we are self governing. That's what

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a democracy is about. We govern ourselves. We are adults,

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well most of us, we are adults. We are to

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debate and discuss and tease out the different arguments. And

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I understand if you have, like an entire media industry

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that caters to your slogans and bumper sticker bromides, that

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you never actually have to develop an argument, so you

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don't know how to do that. You don't know what

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it sounds like. You're not sure how to make ones.

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I get that. But this is what we're going to

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do with this issue. And by the way, I can

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actually understand the arguments on both sides, and that's what

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makes it difficult. And I'm sorry if it's difficult, but

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I'm not actually sorry. As Thomas Soul has said, there

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are no solutions, there are only trade offs. But you

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know me, I'm all about solutions. So we are going

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to so we're going to take a look at the

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at this argument. Okay, so two separate. We're going to

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start here with the news and we knew this was

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coming as soon as you know, Trump said he's going

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to do all of these executive orders. The shock and

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awe just you know, bombard the news cycle with two

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hundred executive orders. And I think this is it has

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the impact of diffusing, not defusing, but diffusing a lot

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of the reactions. I don't know if I said this

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on the show yesterday or if it was in an

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interview that I did, but it doesn't matter that I'll

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say it again. Is that, like you have all these

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different coalitions inside the Democrat Party that they have their

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own issue that you know, particularly animates them. That's why

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they're involved in politics. I'm not denigrating that. That's usually

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why people get involved in politics, as there is an

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issue that affects them or they are animated by and

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so they they that's their access point into the world

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of politics. Well, when you have two hundred executive orders

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covering all these different things, you have all of these

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different people and groups and coalitions that are built around

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particular issues, and now it breaks them up. It splinters

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it up because the thing that I care about is

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addressed in Executive Order you know, a billion one, and

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your thing that you care about is in Executive Order

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one billion, twelve. And so you're going after that one

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and you're making you know, public pronouncements, and you're trying

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to fundraise and you know, sending out TikTok videos. Can

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you still do that? I think again? So sending out

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the videos on your issue. Meanwhile, I'm over here basically

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competing for the same audience eyeballs as you are. So

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it has spread it out a lot rather than just

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do one, and everybody gets to direct their fire. They can,

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you know, sort of like Ghostbusters, you know, join the

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streams there and all focus their fire on one target.

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So two separate coalitions of Attorneys general allege that this

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latest executive order from the President Donald Trump violates the

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fourteenth Amendment, which guarantees that anybody born in the United

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States is considered a legal citizen, regardless of their parents'

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immigration status the president. This is from the uh Federal lawsuit.

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The president has no authority to rea rite or nullify

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a constitutional amendment or duly enacted statute, nor is he

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empowered by any other source of law to limit who

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receives United States citizenship at birth. Trump's order directs federal

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departments and agencies to stop issuing citizenship documents to US

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born children whose mothers are staying in the country illegally

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or otherwise staying temporarily if the father is not a

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US citizen or a lawful and permanent resident. The order

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takes effect next month. So, in other words, if you

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have two parents and neither one of them are legal

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immigrants or you have permission to be here, then you

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don't get citizenship. This is what is referred to as

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the anchor baby, and it is called that because once

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you have the child, it anchors the family. See, it's

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one thing for the child to be the citizen, but

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because of the other immigration law, which I don't see

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addressed really in any of the coverage on all of this,

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you then get to basically hook into the child's status,

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and that then bumps you ahead of the line in

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getting access to government services and maybe even potentially citizenship

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for yourself. So there is an entire industry where people

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come here as quote tourists on tourist visas to have

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their children did you know that? Do you think that

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there is an opportunity to abuse this program if you

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are let's say, a nefarious government agency, Okay, I'll answer it, yes,

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of course. And in fact it has been done. It

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has already been done. Have you seen them or the

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TV series The Americans? That's what they did, right to

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Russian spies or Soviet Union spies. I know it's a

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fictional work, but a lot of it is rooted in

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historical nonfiction. And so you have these spies that get

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fake identities, they come to America, they have their kids,

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and their kids are basically American. They're raised in the

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American system because the spies are deep under cover. So

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if you have mal intent, this is a way to

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do that. But you don't even have to go through

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the trouble of faking your own passports and stuff. Right,

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you just come in, have the babies. And if you

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are a bad actor, now you have this connection or

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this quote anchor, you have this connection and you get

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a reason to stay. Is that a problem from a

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policy standpoint? I would say yes, it is. How can

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we address this particular problem? How do we get at

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that that doesn't and it doesn't matter what country you're

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coming from. Let's say Russia. I know the left hates Russia. Now,

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so let's say Russia. Right. What if pooty poot sends

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a bunch of people into America, they start having babies

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in America, right, and now they can essentially build up

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a foreign intel operation. Right, And that's the Russians. And

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that's I think that's how Trump got elected. He had

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all the anchor babies. I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. The

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new administration takes issue with the phrase in the fourteenth

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Amendment that says subject to the jurisdiction thereof. That is

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the key phrase at the heart of all of this.

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I survived the snow apocalypse. I hope you did as well.

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I did. I did get a little squirrely on one

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of the well my car did. I got a little

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squirrely on some ice patches last night and even today

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coming in coming out of the neighborhood. It's the secondary

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and tertiary roads that are bad. And this is the

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thing where people are like, and I just heard it

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again yesterday, someone was like, Oh, I'm from up north.

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This is nothing like you think it's nothing because you

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think it's snow. It's not snow. It is snow, but

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then it becomes something else, Satan's slurry, and it all

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freezes and you can have all the four wheel drive

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you want. It just means four wheel spin. Okay on

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the ice everything ice is over. And the main roads

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are good. Main roads, your primary roads and highways, they're

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all good. It's the secondary roads that eh a little sketchy.

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And then your tertiary roads, which are the ones that

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connect off of the secondary roads, like yourghborhood streets and stuff.

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Those things there, they can be in pretty bad shape.

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Some of mine were. So a lot of people working

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from home today. I welcome you to the program. If

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you have not ever heard this before, it's seven oh

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four five, seven oh eleven ten is the phone number.

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Email is Pete at dpeteclendershow dot com and on Twitter

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at Pete Calender. I did get a message on Twitter

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from Darryl it's a pete tweet. He says. We always

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hear about standing in lawsuits, like do you have standing

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to bring the lawsuit? So how to state attorney's attorneys

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general have standing in the birthright citizenship issue? And I'm

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glad you asked. I have it right here. I will

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take North Carolina for example. We are our Attorney General,

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Jeff Jackson, Democrat aka Baby Jesus. He has filed on

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behalf of the state of North Carolina. Along with all

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these other Blue states. North Carolina is aggrieved and has

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standing to bring this action because defendants action, the President's

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action of purporting to strip citizenship from United States citizens

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born and residing in North Carolina, receiving benefits in North Carolina,

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and receiving government services in North Carolina harms North Carolina's sovereign,

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proprietary and quasi sovereign interests and will continue to cause

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injury unless and until enforcement of the order is permanently enjoined.

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So that's there, and that is replicated for every state

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that's a party to the lawsuit. They say the exact

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same thing for every state. So that's their argument for

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why they have standing. Now, whether a judge, you know,

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or judge is agree with it. We shall see, but

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that's their argument for why they have standing to bring

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the case. So let me read on a second the

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Constitution's fourteenth Amendment. Here it is all persons born or

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naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,

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are citizens of the United States and of the state

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wherein they reside. Period. Okay, that's the first sentence. All

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persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject

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to the jurisdiction thereof. That's the phrase. And subject to

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the jurisdiction thereof. That's the phrase that gets everybody arguing

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what does it mean? Subject to the jurisdiction thereof. And

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then it goes on to say no States shall make

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or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or

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immunities of citizens of the United States. Nor shall any

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State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without

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due process of law, nor deny to any person within

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its jurisdiction the Equal Protection of the Laws. Fourteenth Amendment

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passed after the Civil War, So the new administration takes

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issue with this phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof, arguing

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the amendment does not apply to kids whose parents are

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residing in the US unlawfully or are here temporarily. The

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first lawsuit was brought by New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Washington,

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d c, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico,

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New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Vermont, Wisconsin, and San Francisco,

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Like they just threw a city in there. And then

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there's a second lawsuit filed by Washington State, Arizona, Illinois,

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and Oregon. There are two other lawsuits from progressive organizations,

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including the ACLU and Lawyers for Civil Rights. Both lawsuits

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are requesting a preliminary injunction to prevent the order from

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taking effect on February nineteenth. All right, I hope you

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had a happy holiday season. But tell me if something

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like this happened at your house. Your family and friends

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are gathered around, Maybe y'all are in the living room,

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You're laughing, swapping stories, reminiscing, and then somebody says, hey, Dad,

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this now from the Associated Press. The White House said

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that it is ready to face these states in court

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and called the lawsuits quote nothing more than an extension

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of the left's resistance. Radical leftists can either choose to

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swim against the tide and reject the overwhelming will of

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the people, or they can get on board and work

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with President Trump's at White House. Deputy Press Secretary Harrison

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Fields just by the way, on that the polling I

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have at some point somewhere in the stack of stuff

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the polling here it is the polling is actually not

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in favor of what the president did changing The question

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was asked in a January ap NARC survey if they

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ask people if they support or oppose quote changing the

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constitution so children born in the United States are not

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automatically granted citizenship if their parents are here illegally. They

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found twenty eight percent favored it, so twenty eight percent

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favor ending birthright citizenship. Another twenty percent did not support

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or oppose, so undecided basically twenty percent, and then fifty

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one percent opposed it. And then there was another survey

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by the New York Times, forty one percent support ending

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birthright citizenship, fifty five percent opposed ending it. So it's

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pretty evenly split, but it is more in favor of

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keeping birthright citizenship. So that's just the polling on it.

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I'm not telling you to agree or disagree. I'm not

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advising anybody on what the quote right position is. Reasonable

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people will disagree about this, okay. It's it's a tough

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issue and there are a lot of different parts to it.

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And stand. Having calm, rational debates about these kinds of

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things is not particularly in style in America. But I

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endeavor to set a new trend, much like I did

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with the word votainer. You see how well that caught on.

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At issue in this case is the right to citizenship

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granted to anybody born in the US, regardless of their

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parents' immigration status. People in the US on a tourist

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visa or another kind of visa, or they're in the

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country illegally can become the parents of a citizen if

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their child is born here. It's enshrined. This is associated press.

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It's enshrined in the fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, say supporters.

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But Trump and his allies dispute the reading of the

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amendment and say there need to be tougher standards on

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becoming a citizen. The US is among about thirty countries

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where birthright citizenship is applied. Most are in the Americas,

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and Canada and Mexico are among them. Most other countries

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confer citizenship based on whether at least one parent is

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a citizen, or have a modified form of birthright citizenship

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that may restrict automatic citizenship to kids of parents who

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are on their territory legally right. So there are a

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bunch of different models that are out there, but for

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the most part, in our hemisphere, our side of the

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planet over here, generally the principle is what they call

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jus or just jus soli soli, which translates, I think

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that's Latin translates to right of the soil. So that's

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the standard that supply, born here, you're a citizen. The

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other are the other side of the argument is jus sanguinous,

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which is right of blood, and that's from your lineage.

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If your parents are citizens, then you're a citizen. Right.

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So if your parents are here on a TOURUS visa

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and oh look at that, we just happened to time

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our world tour to end up in America, just as

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you know, I'm giving birth. Oh what are the odds? Yeah,

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what are the odds. But like so, because we are

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just soli, it's of the soil. You are on the soil.

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So your rights are now of a citizen because you

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were on the soil versus through the blood. The Fourteenth Amendment,

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according to the AP did not always guarantee birthright citizenship

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to all US born people, though it did not always

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do that. Congress did not authorize citizenship for all Native

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Americans born in the United States until nineteen twenty four,

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which is yeah, Indians were not They did not consider

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them citizens just because they were born in America, right,

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which is kind of weird looking back on it. It's right,

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they're in their name native American. You would think like

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that anyway. Then there is a case Wang kim Arc.

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Three names. It's a guy's name, Wang kim Arc. All right.

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I'm going to get into that case as well, because

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that's the seminal case. But some advocates of immigration restrictions

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have argued that while the case the Wong Kim r

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Case clearly applied to children born to parents who are

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both legal immigrants, it's not clear whether it applies to

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children born to parents without legal status. See there's the

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dividing line here, right, And I suspect this is why,

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for you know, the last twenty years, there's been this

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full court press to conflate all immigrants with each other,

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that legal, illegal, tourist, visa, work, visa, whatever. It's like

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everybody's the same, but everybody's not the same. There are

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all these different classifications for a reason. And I I

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know the left doesn't particularly care for conventional definitions and such,

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but they then probably I need to understand that these

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definitions exist for a reason, and so when you strip

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away the meanings of words, it becomes much easier to

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mold the words to achieve your policy goals. And that's

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what we have been seeing in the immigration debate. And

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so this is why I welcome the debate. This executive

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order is going to force this discussion. All right, If

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make the media landscape more transparent. So the North Carolina

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Attorney General Jeff Jackson aka Baby Jesus, he has joined

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with eighteen other attorneys general to challenge Trump's executive order

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that attempts to end birthright citizenship under the fourteenth Amendment

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and the interpretation by the courts of the fourteenth Amendment

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and the law that was passed about the fourteenth Amendment

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and about citizenship. So here is the statement from Jeff

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Jackson quote, the Constitution leaves no room for I'm doing

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his TikTok voice. Have you ever seen his videos, which,

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by the way, I did get a message regarding hang

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on the snowmageddon that hit Charlotte overnight from Mamma Tudid,

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who says a snow day reminder, if you are a

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bright new budding ambitious congressman or woman. This is the

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perfect day to go into work and then send out

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a whole bunch of tweets about what you would do.

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Make that baby Jesus mark on laws and stuff. Right,

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that's what propelled Jeff Jackson to fame. Remember that for

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people who are not aware, this is how Jeff Jackson

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became this TikTok star. It actually started on Twitter where

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it was a snow day. He was in Raleigh. He's

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from the Charlotte area, so he was up in Raleigh.

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It snowed, and he was in the legislature and they

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were like, it's too much snow, so we can't go

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to a session or whatever, and so but he was like,

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I'm here, I'm alone here, and so oh, while I

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got the you know, while I have the floor, let

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me go ahead and pass all this stuff. And so

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he just starts like tweeting out, I've passed Medicaid expansion

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for all, I've done this, I've done that for the children,

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for the elderly, you know, just like this whole laundry

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list of left wing wishes and all of the lefties

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who are all you know, sitting at home scrolling through

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Twitter with very little content being created. They see this

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and they're all like, oh my gosh, Slay queen, and

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they're all like loving on Jeff Jackson, and boom, he

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becomes this sort of overnights star and he gets onto

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the MSNBC circuit and the CNN circuit and he's like

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doing all of the interviews like, oh my gosh, like

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you such a moment, your tweets went viral, Oh my god,

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Jeff Jackson. And this engendered some jealousy among his Democrat colleagues,

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who began calling him, I don't think to his face,

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baby Jesus. This was the term that they used for

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him because like there was you know, yeah, because he

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has he has all the accolades and everybody is celebrating him.

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But but it's the baby Jesus, Like, what has he

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actually done yet? Nothing. It's just a baby. He's just

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laying there in the manger's you know, I understand anyway,

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So that's why that's why they started calling him that.

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So he puts out but hey, look, he has used

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it to propel himself into the Attorney General's office and

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previously into a congressional seat. So he says the Constitution

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leaves no room for executive reinterpretation on this matter. It

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is clear, settled, and binding. This order seeks to undermine

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that clarity, creating legal uncertainty and denying fundamental rights to

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children born in this country. As Attorney General, my role

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is straightforward as well, to defend the Constitution. That's why

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I've joined this lawsuit to uphold the rule of law

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and preserve the rights that have defined our nation for generations.

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The new executive order, which was signed yesterday violates the

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Fourteenth Amendment and Section fourteen oh one of the Immigration

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and Nationality Act. The Fourteenth Amendment clearly states all persons

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born or naturalized in the US and subject to the

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jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States. Through no

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fault or action of their own, these children will lose

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their most basic rights and live under the threat of deportation.

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It is also unclear how North Carolina parents would be

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able to document and prove that their newborns are American citizens,

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since North Carolina birth certificates may not contain the necessary

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information to satisfy the requirements of the executive order. All right,

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So that is from Jeff Jackson and I suspect that

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is the rationale being used by many of the ags

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that are party to the lawsuit. I think there are

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like twenty two states that are now suing, and I

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believe that they are all they are all blue states.

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A message from Timoteo who says, for once, the Democrats

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are right, and it's a damn shame Trump. Trump knows this.

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It's just the first salvo in getting it changed, right.

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I think that the people that are advising Trump on

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this issue, they are well aware of the legal arguments.

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But this is the test. We are now going to

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run this thing all the way through and we are

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going to get some clear definitions on what this means,

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how it's applied, and all of that. And I am

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all for it. The immigration system we have in America

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right now is a mess. All right. That'll do it

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