WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.280 The world, and it's so wrong headed to begin with, 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:08.080 because why would the world listen to me when my 3 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:15.919 own life isn't even right? Does that make sense? I 4 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:17.800 have my alp and what do you mean? What am 5 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:22.359 I spinning? I can't swallow this stuff yet, it's too strong. 6 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:30.600 I'll start pukin if i's swallow it. So there's a 7 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:35.159 lack of lived experience when it comes to the ideology 8 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:40.479 of fixing the system by going back to some medieval ideal. 9 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:43.479 For example, look at what we see with people like Wagner. 10 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:50.399 Wagner is erecting a thumistic scholastic online cult that has 11 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.359 nothing really to do with Rome, the actual Roman Catholic Church, 12 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:58.200 because Rome long ago quit caring about Tomism. You think 13 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:00.280 Pope Leo cares about what Thomas aquina Is says in 14 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:06.120 the Middle Ages now, And so Wagner might have good motivations. 15 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:09.840 Maybe he really thinks that medieval scholasticism is the answer, 16 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:14.280 But much like Redeemed Zumer, it's not really realistic. It's 17 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:19.159 not the real world. It's not where we are, it's 18 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.239 not where his church hierarchy and leadership is. And so 19 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.640 it's just kind of funny and I guarantee you in 20 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:29.200 ten years he'll look back at a lot of this 21 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.959 and think how silly it was thinking that you could 22 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:38.879 restore the Middle Ages or bring back medieval scholasticism when 23 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:46.159 it's already coming gone. Think about I mean, so, you 24 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:48.120 see there's different versions of this, Right, there's the left 25 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:51.040 wing socialist idea, Oh, we're going to institute everybody getting 26 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:54.200 a universal basic income and it'll all be fair and equal. 27 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:00.640 Now it's not realistic, and it also does even it 28 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:04.680 doesn't take into account not just the practical failures of 29 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.159 communism and socialism, but it doesn't even take into account 30 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:14.159 how socialism has been a tool of wealthy elites. So 31 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:20.879 it's a very naive, unstudied, and unlived experience. And you'll 32 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:25.319 notice that typically with a lot of the ideological figures, 33 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:29.719 the face lords, they attract very young guys who are 34 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:32.840 very idealistic. Now it's not bad to be young and idealistic. 35 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:36.039 It's just that you need time to mature. And there's 36 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:40.360 no bypassing that you can't make that happen with some 37 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:42.759 kind of special argument or the right book or the 38 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:48.800 right you know, algorithm, or the right disputation. It just 39 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:53.479 takes lived experience, and it also takes lived experience of 40 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:57.479 you making mistakes. So if you're twenty twenty five, you've 41 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:02.039 not had enough time even to make mistake shit, and 42 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:07.919 you will make mistakes, You will make moral failures, you 43 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:11.680 will have huge mistakes in your life that you're going 44 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:15.520 to regret. I don't care who you are. There's nobody 45 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:18.599 that gets out of life without some kind of big 46 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:22.639 mistake or failure or something, and that will teach you 47 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:31.599 the lesson that you're not better than everybody else. But 48 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.039 twenty year old guys think they've got it all figured out. 49 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.759 They're better than anybody else. Everything's black and white. And 50 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:45.759 by the time they're thirty and they cheat on their girlfriend, 51 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.000 or they've been cheated on, or they fall into some error, 52 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:52.240 they'll learn the lessons the hard ways, the hard way. 53 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:54.360 That this is why God allows us, as the Saints say, 54 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:59.719 to fall into these sins, is to teach us humility, 55 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:05.520 and humility is more important than having the right scholastic disputation. 56 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:11.599 Doesn't make scholastic disputations necessarily wrong. Many of the Orthodox 57 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:16.879 Saints were very scholastic, like Saint Photios, but it's more 58 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:21.439 important to be humble than it is to simply be right, 59 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:24.879 but also understand that humility is not the same thing 60 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:28.800 as being confident or she me. Humility is not the 61 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:33.040 same thing as pretending to be soft spoken and have 62 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:37.720 a skittle's affectation and talking like an NPR person, or 63 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:43.279 or appearing very pious and praying on the internet praying 64 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:45.079 on stream. 65 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:49.319 Oh Lord, I pray to you that all of the 66 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:54.639 internet debaters would humble themselves and be more like me. God, 67 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:57.560 I thank you that I am not like these internet 68 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:01.439 debater men who are so impious and the three oh 69 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:03.079 four's on only fans. 70 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:04.759 I am so much better. 71 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:06.879 But I thank you God that you made me better 72 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.000 than them, and I will pray online. 73 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.959 For all of you, like scam shawmu for thirty minutes. 74 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:22.000 I mean, that's worse than the three h four. So 75 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:25.800 a lot of people mistake that kind of stuff for spirituality. 76 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:30.000 I think it's a performative stage play or something. I 77 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.519 don't know. That's not what it is. And ultimately, only 78 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.079 God knows our hearts, even though yes, it's true that 79 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:39.759 you will know them by their fruits. So the first mistake, 80 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:41.680 big error that I made when I was young was 81 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:47.439 thinking in an overly idealistic way and not realizing that 82 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:50.680 life isn't actually I mean, in some areas it's black 83 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:52.920 and white, but in a lot of things, and in 84 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.759 a lot of areas, it's not that easy in black 85 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:59.839 and white, and you only learn that with age and mature. 86 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:05.839 The next thing that awoke me from my dogmatic slumbers 87 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:14.879 was a couple books. And when I talk about Spengler, 88 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:19.040 I'm not promoting him as like infallible or that he 89 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:20.680 got everything right. In fact, I think he made some 90 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:25.879 pretty significant, kind of basic philosophical blunders. But when I 91 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:32.519 read a good bit of Decline of the West, I 92 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:36.279 was impressed with the way that Spangler categorized history kind 93 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:40.199 of similar to the way that the prophet Daniel categorizes 94 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.879 history right in these kind of life cycles or organic 95 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:52.120 forms that have a lifespan, a birth, a growth, a nadir, 96 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:58.199 and a death. And when I read this, I realized, oh, actually, 97 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:05.519 you don't ever bring back or reinstate a come and 98 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:11.879 gone historical form. And this really crushed the overly idealistic 99 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:16.879 attitude that I had that you could recreate, you know, 100 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:24.040 a medieval Latin templar night kingdom or a Byzantine imperial 101 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:29.279 you know, superstructure. It doesn't mean there can't be a 102 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:35.800 return to traditional forms, to monarchy, to you know, out 103 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:40.079 of homo economicists. All those things are possible. It just 104 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:43.560 means that you're not going to recreate a come and 105 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:52.600 gone form. So I also read another text around the 106 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:56.519 same time from somebody in a similar sort of school, 107 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:07.639 and he's a controversial figure, and that is Francis Parker 108 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:14.439 Yaki's Imperium. And both Spangler and Yaki's books were influential, 109 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:19.480 but they both taught me and showed me that again, 110 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:25.800 historical forms come and go, and politics and empires come 111 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:29.839 and go. So if empires come and go, then we 112 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:35.200 need something beyond an empire that is actually the power 113 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:39.159 in even an empire, and that of course is Orthodox Christianity. 114 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:44.159 Orthodox Christianity was the actual power behind Byzantium. And when 115 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:54.799 Orthodoxy faded, Byzantium became uniate and faded, when other ancient 116 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:59.559 civilizations in their ideology faded, they didn't come back. There 117 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:08.039 will be no new revived Chaldean magas society. Like Spangler 118 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:13.320 talks about Magian society, societies focus around the magis right, 119 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:19.200 the magician, there will be no new future of Faustian society. 120 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:26.159 In fact, Spangler predicted that the third world would utilize 121 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.480 the technology that Faustian Western Man created to then subjugate 122 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:34.120 Western Man. And he seems to have been accurate in 123 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:37.759 that prediction because, as we know, Wellington House, the predecessor 124 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:43.120 to Tavistock, studied Spangler's decline to the West to weaponize it. 125 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:48.039 Spangler was not against the West, he was talking about 126 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:54.919 where he saw these forms going, these civilizations going, So 127 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.919 studying civilizations and getting into civilizational studies, not just reading 128 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:02.480 these men, but also reading you know, Carol Quigley, Tragy 129 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:07.159 and Hope, reading Julius Evela, reading the Perennialists, Reading a 130 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.519 lot of these people over the years throughout my twenties 131 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:15.200 and thirties showed me that a broader, wiser perspective, I think, 132 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:19.039 understands that we can only go forward in the future 133 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:23.000 building on the shoulders of giants, but never reinstating a 134 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:28.639 coming gone historical form. And if you understand that, it's 135 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:34.480 not absolute sizing historical process, it's just recognizing the limitations 136 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:39.039 of historical forms. And so I think Spangler would say 137 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.919 something like you could build on the shoulders of the 138 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:44.159 giants that came before. You could build on the shoulders 139 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:50.360 of the previous civilizations, but you will never resurrect Byzantium 140 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:56.000 or the Holy Roman Empire or whatever your pet Dungeons 141 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:04.480 and dragons, you know, dungeon lore is, and this is 142 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:11.159 why it is accurate to understand trad Catism and third 143 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:17.639 way reich Ism kind of as dungeons and dragons lore. 144 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:25.240 It's LARPing for sure. Now. And the next thing that 145 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:30.000 happened as I've talked about my next big mistake that 146 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:34.240 I was wrong about when I was younger, And we'll 147 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:35.919 get into some of the theology here in a minute. 148 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:38.720 I'm not going to spend too much time on steel 149 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:43.120 Manning Protestantism, because I think everybody kind of knows why 150 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:46.200 a person would be Protestant or even Roman Catholic. I 151 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.279 will touch on those, but it's not going to be 152 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:50.399 the focus of what we talk about today. But my 153 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:56.200 next big mistake was conspiracies. Yes, you heard me right, conspiracies. 154 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:00.320 What how can conspiracies be a mistake when haven't we 155 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.879 been vindicated and seen that over the last twenty plus 156 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:05.759 years of let me see how I've been a conspiracy 157 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:07.879 there since nineteen ninety eight, so twenty seven years of 158 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:13.759 conspiracy theorists. How could that be quote wrong? How could 159 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:17.399 that be deboomed? And I think for everybody who gets 160 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:19.759 into that kind of stuff, going down the rabbit hole 161 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:22.159 and all that, you know, there's a kind of a process. 162 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.480 You go through a phase of oh, maybe aliens are real, 163 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:30.720 Maybe there was ancient Atlantis civilizations with high technology. Maybe 164 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:35.919 there is moon bases with you know, you know, galiens 165 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.600 running around touching who knows, right. You got to go 166 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:41.519 through the phases. But after a while you start to realize, 167 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:44.000 actually a lot of this is just complete bull crap, 168 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:48.919 and the people that push the nonsense are pretty much 169 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:53.639 kind of con men and goofballs, and you start to 170 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:57.120 realize after a while, these people are just making up nonsense. 171 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:12.080 Remember the face on Mars. Remember Richard Hogland. And I'm 172 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:15.200 just using this as one example of I remember when 173 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:16.799 I when I first started reading a lot of this 174 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:22.159 kind of conspiratorial stuff, and I read Hogland's book, Uh, 175 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:28.200 Dark Dark Mission was that the name of it? And 176 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:32.080 then it's like, wait a minute, So there's all these 177 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:37.200 bases on Mars and NASA was some sort of alien 178 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:46.360 It's just a bunch of nonsense, right, Yeah, that's it, 179 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:53.080 dark mission and you know, like coast to coast level stuff. Right, 180 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:56.639 and then you start to realize, Okay, wait a minute, 181 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:02.519 this is all just distraction science. I find gibberish nonsense, right, 182 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:13.440 because that stuff is almost a massive distraction from real conspiracies. Now, 183 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:17.399 I'm not saying that there's no weird phenomena that going. 184 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:21.279 That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm just saying 185 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.360 that a lot of these people you start to realize 186 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:29.480 are cooks, spooks, and crooks and all of the above. Right, 187 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:34.120 you could be all three. So one of the things 188 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:36.879 that shook me out of my dogmatic slumber slumbers in 189 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:44.639 this regard was a documentary I saw when it came out. 190 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:49.279 Oh what's the name? I just went blank. What's the 191 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:52.240 documentary that shows the alien Stuff's a bunch of syops. 192 00:14:52.240 --> 00:15:03.240 It's a really good documentary mirage. Now, I'm not saying 193 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:06.440 that everything in this documentary is true. I'm saying that 194 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:10.399 this combined with other critiques that the Collins brothers had 195 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:14.840 written about the alien phenomena. They had written articles like 196 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:18.759 alien smoke screen twenty years ago, fifteen twenty years ago, 197 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:21.799 way before they had collected it together in their excellent 198 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:25.240 book Invoking the Beyond. I started to think, well, wait 199 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:27.799 a minute, A lot of this alien stuff doesn't even 200 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.320 make sense. And you start to notice that the alien 201 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:37.399 narrative also pushes technocracy, it pushes panspermia, Darwinian evolution. A 202 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:42.799 bunch of the stuff that we think is obvious gibberish 203 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:49.320 is pushed by the alien loons. So if you've never 204 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.799 seen this, I highly recommend it now. I'm just using 205 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.559 alien stuff as one example. I was never actually really 206 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.600 into aliens. I remember entertaining the possibility of this, maybe 207 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:05.320 maybe in the year two thousand and three or four, 208 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:11.720 but for me, aliens always just seem retarded, faking gay. 209 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.639 And then probably well, you say, you know, doctor Joseph Farrell. 210 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.360 I think that doctor Josepharrell is a perfect example of 211 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.360 somebody who had a lot of good theology and then 212 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:26.600 started pushing a lot of ridiculous nonsense that planets are weapons, 213 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:29.480 giz a death star. It's just it doesn't make any sense, 214 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.720 it's silly. So no, I don't believe any of that stuff. 215 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:36.039 That's just silly. Now, there could be catastrophism, there could 216 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:39.559 be weird stuff, but I just am not convinced by 217 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:45.600 what comes out of these kinds of gnostic presentations, gnostic 218 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:51.679 press books, et cetera. Well, way, if you want to 219 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:53.399 support the stream, you can do so through super chats. 220 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.399 So what was the thing that really turned my attention 221 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:07.519 away from the wu wu stuff and into the reality realm. Well, 222 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:09.079 at the same time as I was studying a lot 223 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:12.000 of those in grad school, I was learning about the 224 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:17.839 CIA espionage and how geopolitics is really about that kind 225 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:22.880 of stuff. The real conspiracy world isn't so much aliens 226 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:27.920 and which is all like perfect vehicles for disinformation. The 227 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:32.799 real conspiracy world is stuff like Russiagate, the concocting of 228 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:38.200 stories and narratives and disinformation nonsense in the real political, 229 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:45.519 geopolitical realm for verifiable purposes. And I started realizing, well, 230 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.240 the alien stuff does the same thing. It furthers a 231 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:53.599 technocratic agenda. You realize that clause world economic form, all 232 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:57.640 of those people push the alien stuff, and then the 233 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:06.640 same thing is going on the realm of conspiracies, much 234 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:11.200 of which is disinformation. So yeah, I watched abled enemies, 235 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.880 and I watched Loose Change and Alex's documentaries, and those 236 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:17.799 are all great, but you start to realize, well, well, 237 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:19.400 who is this deep state? What is this deep state? 238 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:23.559 What is really going on with this entrenched national security 239 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:28.119 state domain that seems to be behind a lot of 240 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:35.920 things like international banking scams, organized crime operation Gladio, paper Clip, 241 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.039 all that stuff seems to keep pointing back to this 242 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:43.680 kind of stuff, not men in black and all this gay, 243 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:47.920 retarded alien stuff, but actual operations that you can read 244 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:50.240 about in the history of the CIA, the history of 245 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.319 the OSS, the history of World War two, espionage, the 246 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:55.440 Cold War, All of that stuff kept pointing in the 247 00:18:55.440 --> 00:19:04.599 direction of the real conspiracies are bankers and spies, not aliens, 248 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:14.119 ancient alien technologies and all this bullshit, Not reptilians from 249 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:24.400 the Zeta Reticulan dimension or whatever, but British Intelligence, the CIA, 250 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:28.480 the Masade. Those are the books that are the real 251 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:33.680 conspiracy books, the history of those things. This was a 252 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:38.640 big turning point in what I found to be real 253 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:45.680 conspiracies and not all of this sci fi star trek crap. 254 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:49.440 And I learned that I've started figuring out in my twenties, right, 255 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:53.519 And again, I think part of the reason I came 256 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:57.839 to that conclusion was in studying and writing about Hollywood 257 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:02.559 and studying underneath professors who had researched the history of 258 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:06.279 CIA operations in Latin South America. That same professor who 259 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:08.839 was a super lib by the way, that same professor 260 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:13.920 did a class on Oliver Stone and history. It was 261 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:19.720 one of my favorite college classes. And what we were 262 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:23.440 doing in that class was saying, Okay, here's Oliver Stone's presentation, 263 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.720 what is the closest that we could come to in 264 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:31.839 terms of historical accuracy? And compare that to what Oliver 265 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:34.279 Stone was putting in his films. And although I don't 266 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:37.160 agree with everything that Oliver Stone believes, a lot of 267 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:39.960 what he was putting in the films was more accurate, 268 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.799 for example, than what was the main line news narrative 269 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:51.000 of that time. And that doesn't mean I support, you know, 270 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:54.920 Bishop whatever that the James Wood movie, even though it's 271 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:58.880 a pretty good film. I'm not pro liberation theology or 272 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:03.599 anything like that. But I think when Oliver Stone was 273 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:08.759 intending to present these sorts of stories, nobody knew the 274 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:12.400 degree to which there was Israeli involvement in the GfK event, etc. 275 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:16.279 I don't think that he was intentionally putting out disinformation. 276 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:19.680 I think he was working with what he had at 277 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:26.200 the time. And so if you look at the tendency 278 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:30.759 in American politics to criticize, for example, Israeli foreign policy 279 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:35.519 and involvement in America throughout the seventies, eighties, and nineties, 280 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:38.599 that was largely the left. It didn't start to become 281 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:43.960 a right wing criticism until the last say ten years now. 282 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:46.839 Prior to the sixties or the seventies, eighties, and nineties, 283 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:50.559 criticism of that kind of stuff was. There were right 284 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:55.319 wing thinkers, father Coughlin, you know, other people who criticized 285 00:21:56.200 --> 00:21:59.640 Israeli or Jewish involvement in American politics back in What 286 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:02.880 to Use fifties, et cetera. But that got shut down 287 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:05.359 very quickly by a lot of the World War Two 288 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:09.039 era propaganda and the films that were coming out from 289 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:11.799 Hollywood in the nineteen forties, which we've been talking about recently. 290 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:14.720 A lot of the Humphrey Bogart films, a lot of 291 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:18.960 the John Ford stuff, a lot of the Joan Crawford films. 292 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:26.079 They were all kind of targeted pretty obvious Allied propaganda films. 293 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:28.920 That doesn't mean that I'm saying tiny mustache man is good. 294 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:31.880 I'm just giving you the real history, which is again 295 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:38.240 not black and white, it's nuanced. Yeah. I mean, for example, 296 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:42.359 Oliver Stones Wall Street, right, essentially, Gordon Gecko operates like 297 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:48.880 a CIA handler, right. In fact, he even tells Bud 298 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:53.079 Fox that I want you to get dirt on people 299 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:56.880 and get inside information. That's how you actually, you know, 300 00:22:57.119 --> 00:22:59.880 game the stock market. It's not who has the best 301 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:05.000 trading practices and who's the smartest. And so Gordon Gecko 302 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:08.119 is basically a kind of a Wall Street CIA operative. 303 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:12.160 So I could understand that critique and understand the flaws 304 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:15.599 of Wall Street and what Oliver Stone is saying, without 305 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:17.839 at the same time saying, oh, I guess communism and 306 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:22.720 socialism is good. You see, everybody functions, especially boomers, on 307 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:30.079 this very narrow either or framework, and all of us, 308 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:32.559 I think, especially when you're young, you're much more susceptible 309 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:41.799 to these very simplistic either or dialectics. Right. So thinking 310 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:49.839 that geopolitics, figuring out that geopolitics and espionage is the 311 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:53.680 real conspiracy was a big part of waking up out 312 00:23:53.680 --> 00:24:00.839 of my overly conspiratorial slumbers, if that makes sense, because 313 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:06.000 then you start to realize like, well, actually all of 314 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:09.720 the world's embassies, everybody has embassies, and everybody knows that 315 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:13.480 spies are at embassies and this is just acceptable nation 316 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:16.920 state practice, that people are engaging in espionage. So I 317 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.440 think when you first, you know, learn about this stuff, 318 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:22.599 you kind of have a schizo paranoia phase where you're like, oh, 319 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:24.920 there's spies are where, everybody's a spy, everybody's an operative, 320 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:26.759 everybody in the media works with the CI. It's not 321 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:33.720 like that there is an understood expectation of nation to 322 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:38.319 nation power block the power block espionage. Not saying it's good, 323 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:40.319 I'm saying that that's the real world. That's how the 324 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:45.599 world works. So understanding more of history, understanding the big picture, 325 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:53.319 understanding civilizational studies was a level and a step beyond 326 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:59.079 the very simplistic disinformation that is everywhere in the conspiracy realm. 327 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:00.960 Does that make sense? So I'm not saying that there's 328 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:06.359 no conspiracies. I'm saying that the world of conspiracy literature online, 329 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:10.000 which you could go back to, you know, the JFK 330 00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.599 era kind of kicks it off people questioning it, the 331 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:16.240 CIA demonizing people that question the event, calling them conspiracy theorists. 332 00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.000 This eventually, in the eighties and nineties gives birth to 333 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.200 pat con or the Patriot conspiracy, where the Feds are 334 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.960 kind of infiltrating, you know, right wing militia groups and 335 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.960 these kind of simplistic Bible Belt sort of prepper groups. 336 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:34.759 And then what happens is we got this Ron Paul phase, right, 337 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:39.759 So I would say from say two thousand and three, four, five, six, 338 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:43.359 seven and eight, as Alex Jones and Ron Paul begin 339 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:50.799 to have some popularity, begin to have some nationwide notoriety, 340 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.839 calling attention to things that were very real, like the 341 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:57.240 Federal Reserve being a giant scam. So Ron Paul did 342 00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:03.079 did a good job in calling attention on a large 343 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:08.559 scale to real conspiracies like the Federal Reserve. Now, Ron 344 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.200 Paul I think had a lot of not so good 345 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:16.799 ideas and ideologies, and I don't think that libertarianism is 346 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:21.640 a real answer, but at least in calling attention to 347 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.920 the Federal Reserve, he did a lot of positive in 348 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.039 the history of American politics. Unfortunately, though, it was still 349 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:33.640 kind of wrapped up in that very limited very negative 350 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:40.759 liberty scope that libertarianism has, whereas it's not a real solution, 351 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:44.960 even though it has some good critiques, just telling everybody 352 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:49.960 privatize everything and let me have my liberties grow, it's 353 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:53.599 not good enough. It doesn't do anything. There's no. 354 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:57.400 World power. 355 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:01.920 That was actually liberty tarian except for perhaps America for 356 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:06.599 a little while. And so people who then continue the 357 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:14.119 outdated limited answers of libertarianism, whether it's a Ron Paul 358 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.319 figure or whether it's a James Lindsay or a Tempoole, 359 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.839 I mean, they might have good critiques at points here 360 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:24.799 and there, but the answers and the solutions are just 361 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:29.799 not enough. They're not good enough. Just mud gdp and 362 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:31.920 let me have my business and let me have my 363 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:35.799 stash of gold like you know, I would need to 364 00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:39.039 audit the FED and strive stack some gold like Ron 365 00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.519 Paul says. I mean, it's just not enough. People actually 366 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:45.960 want world views, and they want a religious perspective that 367 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:50.640 makes sense of why we should be libertarian or why 368 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:56.640 we should have rights or duties. You see, So just 369 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:01.640 more enlightenment liberalism is not enough. And that's when I ultimately, 370 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:06.880 doctor Jordan Peterson never got out of maybe he will 371 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.799 never got out of the controlled classical liberal dialectic. This 372 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:16.000 has been my same critique of him for almost ten years. 373 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:22.359 You're not going to stop the onslaught of trans and 374 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:28.799 Antifa and all this insanity. BLM with liberalism, more liberalism, 375 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:36.440 more civic nationalism. It doesn't work. It's emasculated and ineffectual. 376 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:42.640 And so I had to grow out of that libertarianist 377 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:44.799 phase that I had in my twenties. I think many 378 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.000 of us have had this phase. And a couple of 379 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.400 things that I read that really shook me out of this. 380 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.720 One of them was actually a trad cap book that 381 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:55.920 I would still recommend. Obviously, Yaqui's Imperium is a massive 382 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:58.440 critique of liberalism, of course, But before I read this 383 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.559 gigan antic, seven hundred page book, I read a very 384 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:09.400 obscure Roman Catholic and her name is Solange Hurts, and 385 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.920 she wrote a book that I read when I was 386 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:16.240 in the SSPX, And this is actually a really good book. 387 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:22.759 It's called The Stars Spangled Heresy of Americanism. Now again, 388 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.680 everybody knows here I am not a papist, probably the 389 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:30.200 number the Internet's number one anti papist. But Solange Hurts 390 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:36.720 wrote a great book critiquing the idea of classical liberalism 391 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:42.119 in the American experiment, the dialectic of Enlightenment experiment, that 392 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:48.359 is Americanism. And again, while she was a traditional Roman Catholic, 393 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.599 I don't think there's anything in this book except for, 394 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.119 like you know, she cites paper and cyclicals and that 395 00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:57.440 kind of stuff. Like she had a really great critique here. 396 00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:00.519 So it was actually amongst the tridcat that I really 397 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:06.960 started reading and questioning my classical liberal libertarian ideas that 398 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:09.839 I think most of us, as Americanists, we just kind 399 00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:13.799 of we swim in this voice. I mean, we swim 400 00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:16.200 in this water, whether this is the air we breathe, 401 00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.119 so we just sort of default to thinking that, well, yeah, 402 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:21.759 classical liberalism is like they answered all of this, we 403 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:26.359 just need more America, more freedoms. But people are now 404 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.680 becoming i think, either really really dumb or more sophisticated 405 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:31.599 out in the public discourse, and they're starting to figure 406 00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.079 out that there's no such thing as just the freedoms. 407 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:34.559 Right. 408 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:36.839 How many times have we had debates over the last 409 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.240 ten years with libertarians and by the way, we kicked 410 00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:45.279 off our public debating career with debating Adam Kocash, the 411 00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.759 ten year ago famous libertarian. Now nobody even knows who 412 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:54.200 Adam Cocash is. He's totally forgotten dinosaur in terms of 413 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.599 media voices. And I don't say that out of any negativity. 414 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:01.519 I don't. I don't hate the Guardis. I think Adam's 415 00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:03.839 always been very nice on like a one to one level. 416 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.880 He sent me his books and stuff. But it's just, 417 00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:10.759 you know, if you go back to that debate, he 418 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.640 just never got the point in that debate, which is 419 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:19.759 that classical liberalism is dead. It's a old it's a 420 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.720 come and gone philosophy, and the classical liberals are kind 421 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.680 of in the same mindset as me in my twenties. 422 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:29.000 It's this idealistic thing of like, well, if we just 423 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.599 bring back more America, right, and this will be my 424 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.319 main critique, even of Alex Jones. I mean, I love 425 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:39.640 Alex Jones. He's a great guy, always been very positive. 426 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.279 But the one critique that I would have of Alex, 427 00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:44.799 I mean, obviously I would like to see him to 428 00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:49.519 become orthodox, but politically, you know, this classical liberal stuff 429 00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.400 is just not going to do anything. It's not the 430 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.960 answer more. I mean seventeen seventy six is kind of 431 00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.440 the earlier version of nineteen eighty four because it's still 432 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:03.920 in the sonic revolutionary ethos and I didn't really get 433 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:09.359 any of that until I read this. And then there 434 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:12.079 was another book that I read as a trad cat. 435 00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.279 I think it's a book put out by the SSPX. 436 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:23.200 What was it called. I want to say there was 437 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:26.880 an SSPX book that came out I'm talking about in 438 00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.440 like two thousand and five, right, So I'm reading SSPX 439 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:33.079 literature in two thousand and four or five, and I 440 00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.359 want to say there was some book that came out 441 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:39.200 about monarchy, but I can't remember the name of it, 442 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:41.559 and I don't even remember who wrote it. I still 443 00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:43.799 have all these old SSPX books, but they're at the 444 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:45.799 other place, and they're like on an old shelf. I 445 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.880 haven't thought about these books in like fifteen years, so, 446 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:55.960 but they they did make an impact on me, because, 447 00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.440 you know, there were quite a few Roman Catholic traditionalist writers, 448 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.160 you know, throughout the seventeen hundreds eighteen hundreds that were 449 00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:09.599 writing critiques of revolutionary philosophy that are still pretty good, 450 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.720 and we would probably agree with a lot of that stuff. 451 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:18.880 So I never really went back to classical liberalism after 452 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:24.039 understanding my critiques of the Enlightenment not just from a 453 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.160 trad cap perspective, but also an orthodoxy. And even when 454 00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.920 I wasn't Orthodox and I wasn't convinced of Catholicism anymore, 455 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.599 I mean I didn't become like a classical liberal. I 456 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.680 mean I might have still thought, well, there's some good 457 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.079 points in classical liberalism, like we want to have, you know, 458 00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:43.960 economic exchange and freedom to some degree. We want to 459 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:50.200 have you know, some degree of liberty, but what the 460 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.319 parameters of that are and how society should be structured 461 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:57.119 is just not going to be sold by the Enlightenment. 462 00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:03.960 Ideas of of like negative liberty and negative liberty is 463 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:09.039 not a Christian position. Historically, negative liberty is the idea 464 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:13.559 of the atheistic writers of the French Revolution and of 465 00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.760 the Enlightenment that the state has no role other than 466 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:21.239 to be a minimal tool for economic exchange. That's it. 467 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:29.199 But in the traditional Christian belief, the Christian monarch has 468 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:34.760 a role to promote to a degree of the virtues 469 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:38.760 and to punish the vices. Now, that doesn't mean a 470 00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:42.639 big brother state where the king stares into your bedroom 471 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.320 to see if you're jerking off or having dirty thoughts. 472 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.519 We're not talking about big Brother. We're not talking about 473 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:52.159 the state having a role to promote all virtues and 474 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:56.400 to punish all vices, because amongst vices, there's a difference 475 00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:01.199 between vices that are crimes and vices that are not rhymes. Okay, 476 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:08.119 so there would be a distinction between what's criminal versus 477 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:14.679 just something that's merely advice. For example, the state couldn't 478 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:18.360 have penalties for dirty thoughts. Okay, that would be impossible, 479 00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:19.960 it would be insane, it would be some kind of 480 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:23.239 weird nineteen eighty four scenario, right, But the state could 481 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:27.920 conceivably have obviously penalties for public displays of nudity. I mean, 482 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.400 I think that's still on the books in most places. 483 00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:35.960 You could have the banning of PDF, the banning of 484 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:40.559 you know, sodomy publicly, that kind of stuff. Granted, there's 485 00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:43.239 no way to prove what everybody's doing in their bedrooms. 486 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:47.920 So having a Christian state or a Christian monarchy does 487 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:51.639 not equate to nineteen eighty four. So don't misunderstand what 488 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.639 I'm saying, because I already know when I say this 489 00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:55.519 kind of stuff. Wait a minute, if the state has 490 00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:59.599 a duty to punish the vices to promote virtue, that's 491 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.480 you're going to be in our bedrooms. No, do you 492 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:09.920 think that monarchies in the history of the West were 493 00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:12.679 spying in people's bedroom I mean, it's just kind of crazy. 494 00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:16.400 It's not even remotely close to history. In fact, many 495 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:21.760 of these Western monarchs permitted whorehouses. And we saw both 496 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:26.280 Saint Augustine and Thomas Aquinas argued for the legitimacy of 497 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.880 the state allowing houses of ill repute. I'm not even 498 00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:34.400 sure I'm convinced of that, So, I mean, I guess 499 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:36.320 and libertarians, well, by the way, we'll point to that 500 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.800 stuff to point out the libertarian ethos of the West 501 00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:45.280 or whatever. Anyway, so I think this is a great 502 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.519 point too. And by the way, that was another thing 503 00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:49.960 that I realized it was a problem in tradcatism, was 504 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:55.480 you have this hyper rigidity about sexuality and sexual morals 505 00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:59.960 and everything's immortal sin and everything should be punished with 506 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.280 these crazy trad cats, and then the top trad cats 507 00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.519 argue that the state should allow whorehouses. I was like, 508 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.360 this is just insane. I mean, to me, that's just crazy, 509 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.880 like these people, there's something off in this world of 510 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.800 trad cats. By the way, a lot of the trad 511 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:18.719 cats that I knew back then have since come out 512 00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:22.840 as skittles. Shocker. That's why that when that guy put 513 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.719 that thing up that he was at the SSPX mass 514 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:29.039 and he was, he looked on grinder and like three 515 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.199 of the dudes were sitting in the pew next to 516 00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:34.559 him on grinder. So yes, trad cat is full of 517 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:42.880 gay shocker. Now moving on, I was, as you guys know, 518 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.719 Protestant and Roman Catholic, so I was a Calvinist and 519 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:49.679 I was a Catholic, and I'm not going to spend 520 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.119 a whole lot of time on that, but those were 521 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.800 huge mistakes because I had zeal without knowledge, and even 522 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.320 though I read like crazy and I read all the 523 00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.360 time because I didn't want to be wrong about my theology, 524 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.920 I had absolute perfect spurgitude when it came to trying 525 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:08.280 to perfect my theology. And I learned as I got 526 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:13.840 older that actually reading all the right books and figuring 527 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:18.280 all the stuff out is a futile quest. That might 528 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:23.159 sound paradoxical, because of course I do like theology, and 529 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:27.039 I do enjoy intellectual pursuits. But I kind of realized 530 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.360 at the end of my twenties that I'll never read 531 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.960 all the books, I will never find all the information, 532 00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:36.920 I will never get all of the archives, I will 533 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.800 never learn all the languages to go study in the 534 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:42.679 catacombs in the Vatican Library to figure it all out, Like, 535 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:46.159 it's not possible. Your life and your time is limited. 536 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:50.679 So I realized that although providentially I guess it worked 537 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:52.599 out that I had many, many, many years of reading 538 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:56.760 hundreds and hundreds of books, it kind of showed me 539 00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:00.719 the futility of many, many many books. That's why Solomon 540 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.800 says to the making and writing of books, there is 541 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.440 no end. It's a futile thing. So what's the point 542 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.840 of all that That books don't matter? No, No, I just 543 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:12.800 had them in the wrong priority. And that brings me 544 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:16.320 to the next one, which is that obsessing over books 545 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:21.679 was wrong. Having the right Amazon list, the wish list 546 00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.559 of reading list is not going to get you in heaven. 547 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:23.760 Now. 548 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:26.239 I didn't think that having the books will get you 549 00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:29.079 in heaven, but I did think that having the perfect 550 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:34.480 theology was absolutely essential, and that eventually led to a 551 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.679 dead end and it was just like, Okay, Rome is 552 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:41.280 not it? What do I do? And I had some 553 00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.360 bad experiences back in two thousand and seven at some 554 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.400 Orthodox churches, and I was just like, I don't know. 555 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.719 So I was into sort of this amorphous unknown state. 556 00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.480 I was not an atheist. I was kind of interested 557 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:58.960 in neoplatonism and perennialism or traditionalism to a degree. But 558 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.320 I wasn't like into some school of like, oh, I'm 559 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:03.719 gonna go study under Freidolf Schuan's cult. I mean, it 560 00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:07.519 wasn't like that, just buying books and trying to figure 561 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:15.719 it out. So the next point is that everything was 562 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.119 lopsided in what I should have been doing. So the 563 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.880 books aren't the problem, the information isn't the problem. In fact, 564 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:26.000 throughout my twenties and thirties, I didn't most of the time. 565 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.440 I didn't spend any time on the Internet. I avoided 566 00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.400 the Internet because I thought the Internet was a big problem. 567 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:35.480 I was pretty much right, and I always focused on 568 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.480 reading books. I didn't start doing internet stuff until about 569 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:43.480 twenty eleven, I mean consistently doing a lot of Internet stuff. 570 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.280 Prior to twenty eleven, I would only read books and 571 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:58.159 avoided the internet. And so I had wrong priorities because 572 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:03.840 I was still obsessed with figuring everything out. So I 573 00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.679 wanted to read all the right geopolitical books, all the 574 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:10.079 right CIA history books, all the right espionage books, all 575 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:14.440 the right philosophy books, all the right whatevers, all the 576 00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:17.679 right church fathers books. And I spent so much time 577 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:23.039 doing that, and it just ended up with kind of nothing. 578 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:28.559 And I was broke, still working a wage cuck job. 579 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:34.039 I had a massive library, even I was like in 580 00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.639 my thirties still I think, working at a paint store. 581 00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.000 I was a manager of a paint store. But it 582 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:41.039 was like I wasn't getting anywhere. I mean, I was 583 00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.840 going to college, getting a undergrad and all that. I thought, well, 584 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:47.519 I'll just try to teach. My point being is like 585 00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.559 I realized the futility of putting all of my time, 586 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:57.239 effort and energy into books. And it's not the books 587 00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.400 that were the problem. It was the imbalance in me 588 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:03.719 that was the I should have been focused on furthering 589 00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:08.760 my own situation in terms of getting established, getting a career, 590 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:11.159 et cetera or whatever. I mean, not that you have 591 00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.840 to go into careerism, but I'll give you an example. 592 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.000 So in two thousand and seven or eight, when I 593 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:21.199 was going to be married to a girl prior to Jamie, 594 00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.679 and I was going through the Catechumenate right, and I 595 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.679 was very interested in Orthodoxy, going to convert to Orthodoxy. 596 00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:33.360 But I had a couple vices that were a serious 597 00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.760 problem for where I was going. For one, I put 598 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.079 the theology and the ideas first, even though I was 599 00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:45.159 dating for four years a girl that I intended to marry. 600 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:48.800 But I was not fair to her by putting my 601 00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:53.840 ideas and my theology above everything else. And I really 602 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.760 struggle with this. I wasn't I don't think, maliciously trying 603 00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.000 to be unfair, but I remember at one point she's 604 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:04.159 said to me something like, if you're going to marry me, 605 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:09.280 then marriage and a family should come before the theology 606 00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:15.719 and the ideas. And she kind of had a point, right, 607 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.880 because we had been dating for four years and we 608 00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.199 had the intention of getting married. And I was still 609 00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.239 iffy about it because I was like, well, I need 610 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:26.000 to go to grad school and I need to you know, 611 00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:29.400 get the PhD. And then maybe then I can you know, 612 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.800 provide for family or whatever. And she was like, well, 613 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.719 I'm ready to have kids now, and we should get 614 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:39.800 married now and now. Providentially, it all worked out to 615 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.800 where it was not the right thing to do. If 616 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.679 I had married her, I would have been a bad husband. 617 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.519 I would not have been able to provide and to 618 00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:51.320 do the things that she actually had a really good 619 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:56.800 critique about. So she was actually correct. But in God's providence, 620 00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:58.599 thank god we didn't get married, because it would have 621 00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:02.320 been a disaster. It was a good thing, and for 622 00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.159 her it was a better situation because she ended up 623 00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:06.039 marrying a guy who was a priest, and I'm sure 624 00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:09.599 she's much happier and she's got, you know, a full quiver. 625 00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.039 She's got kids, and she's doing fine. And it worked 626 00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.639 out way better for me to give me time to 627 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.639 actually mature and figure out I'm not actually made for 628 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.280 the mainline academia route. So you see how that would 629 00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:26.000 have been a disaster. So it was actually better for 630 00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:28.639 me to not have gone into that, to not convert 631 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:33.559 to Orthodoxy at that time, to wait, to take some 632 00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:38.440 time and providentially come back around to it when I 633 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.119 was ready for that. I wasn't ready for that in 634 00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:43.719 my twenties, twenty age twenty, I forget this is like 635 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.000 I was like twenty eight or something like that. So 636 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:51.960 one thing I would say too to my younger self 637 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.079 that was a mistake is that when I was younger, 638 00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.000 obsessed with the theology and figuring it out and making 639 00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.199 it all perfect, I also felt like I had like 640 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.159 it had to be done right now, like it's got 641 00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.760 to be solved right now, and I had no concept 642 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:10.159 of patience and thinking, maybe it's going to take years 643 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:14.920 to get in the right place. Maybe God providentially knows 644 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:17.519 I'm not ready to do this stuff yet, and I 645 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.920 need time to mature. And that's exactly what it was. 646 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:27.400 And there's no solution to maturation that you can just 647 00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:29.880 conjure up. I mean, a lot of the things that 648 00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:34.159 we're talking about tonight actually has to do with time frames. 649 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:39.639 We're talking five, ten, fifteen, twenty year timeframes for some 650 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:46.679 of us. And that's okay. It's okay if you're not 651 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:51.119 immediately convinced of orthodoxy. It's okay if you say, hey, wait, 652 00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.800 I'm not sure I'm ready for this. That's why we 653 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.960 always encourage people to take their time. And when I 654 00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.440 was in my twenties, and it was two thousand and 655 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.119 seven and I was like, I need to figure this 656 00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:05.320 out right now. I was not ready. I needed time. 657 00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:10.599 So don't beat yourself up and freak out and act 658 00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:15.159 spurgey in your twenties because you haven't figured everything out yet. 659 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:18.159 It's not a big deal. It's okay, Like take your time. 660 00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:24.639 And everybody is so like attacked by this toxic culture 661 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.679 that now it's even worse. Right, So it took me 662 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.960 to age mid thirties to grow up. It's going to 663 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:36.199 probably take the next generation like into their forties to 664 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:44.079 grow up. So so getting a longer time frame and 665 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:48.000 learning patience was something that I really needed to learn 666 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:51.199 in my twenties and to not be so obsessed over 667 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.480 the things happening in the Middle East. I mean again, 668 00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:57.920 I told you guys, like I got into the Middle 669 00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.480 Eastern stuff in two thousand and seven. Around that same time, 670 00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:06.840 right I started reading critiques of neo CON's American foreign policy. 671 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.280 I read all the anti Zionist, anti Talmudic, anti Jewish 672 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:15.320 stuff in the two thousands, and what I figured out was, 673 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:17.679 I'm not going to be able to solve this question. 674 00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.639 I don't even have enough I live check to check 675 00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.840 what am I doing? Worried about what's happening two thousand 676 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:27.880 miles away in the middle of four thousand miles away 677 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:31.320 in the Middle East, And I haven't like I'm struggling 678 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.480 check to check. My priorities are out of whack. That's 679 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:36.400 what I'm trying to say. And a lot of people 680 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:42.639 on the internet, a lot of activists, it's the same irrational, immature, 681 00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:49.719 silly mistake. It's like, you're sounding out on the internet, 682 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.239 you're doing activism. Okay, that's great, but like, did you 683 00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.239 pay your rent? Do you have a savings? And obviously 684 00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.159 I don't believe in FII, but I mean, do you 685 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:03.239 have some bitcoin? Like what are you doing that shows 686 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:08.159 and demonstrates that you're actually a mature, capable man versus 687 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.400 bitching all day on the internet. And even though I 688 00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:16.280 limited my time on the internet, I still bitched and 689 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:19.199 wind a lot on the Internet. For example, in the 690 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:23.719 two thousands, when everybody was on Facebook, I remember many many, 691 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:30.239 many nights drunk debating on Facebook. I mean, I don't 692 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.840 mean like sloppy, falling down drunk. I just mean so 693 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.079 much wasted time drinking beer and arguing on Facebook in 694 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.440 my twenties, And I'm like, what was I what the 695 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:40.239 heck was I doing? 696 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:41.039 What? 697 00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.119 A complete waste of time? And as you get older, 698 00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:45.400 you're going to look back and be like, dude, I 699 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.559 wasted Oh I wasted so much time in my twenties. 700 00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:52.079 It was so retarded. Why was I doing that? That's 701 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.880 another huge mistake, drinking and wasting time in my twenties, 702 00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:59.639 massive stupid mistake. The sooner that you don't do that, 703 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.239 the better you will be off, I trust you. So 704 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:08.440 looking for perfect theology when it came to Calvinism and 705 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:13.159 the systems of Aquinas, John Calvin and the papacy, right, 706 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:17.400 I was sort of looking for these perfect systems and 707 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.920 I went from one to the other, from Calvinism to Tomism, 708 00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.000 thinking I found it. This is all This is the 709 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.960 perfect No, this is the perfect system. And again it's 710 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:32.039 not that systems aren't how things work, but I had 711 00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:36.280 a overly high expectation, as a twenty eight year old 712 00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:41.639 guy or whatever for thinking that the systems are the answer. 713 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.880 And is it Calvin, is it Thomas Aquinas? Oh wait, 714 00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:49.000 maybe it's this other thing, right, And then you realize, okay, 715 00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.280 none of these systems are going to be perfect. And 716 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.199 the systems were actually kind of an idol, and if 717 00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:57.320 you told me that in my twenties, I would I would. 718 00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:58.599 There's no way I was gonna say, oh, you don't 719 00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.760 know what you're talking about. But then it dawned to me, Actually, 720 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:06.320 termism is an idol. Calvinism is an idol. The systems 721 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:11.599 are not Christianity. They have elements of it, and they're 722 00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:14.480 trying to systematize it. And I still think in terms 723 00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.960 of worldviews, paradigms, and systems, but I don't have the 724 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:22.920 same unrealistic, immature expectation for systems like I did in 725 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:24.880 my twenties. So when I see people like Wagner and 726 00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.679 I see redeem Zoomer like I see myself in my twenties, 727 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.199 and hopefully as they get older, I think they will 728 00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:36.199 also come to some of the same realizations that I 729 00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:39.039 did when they get into their thirties and their forties. 730 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:43.840 Doesn't mean that you can't do systems analysis and systems thinking. 731 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.880 In fact, we still criticize the Roman Catholics for not 732 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.039 understanding and getting the point that if Roman Catholicism is 733 00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:55.079 defeated at a systemic level, then it's a system defeater. 734 00:50:56.199 --> 00:51:00.239 The system isn't true and there's no amount of catch 735 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:03.119 work that you can do if the system itself at 736 00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:10.039 a systemic level is flawed. Last couple of points, so 737 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:12.880 that one is more so about the practical that I 738 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:17.519 didn't put establishing myself for a family and that kind 739 00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:20.679 of stuff. And I was so obsessed with all the ideas. 740 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.360 And I've told you guys like my dad would say 741 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:25.800 stuff back then, like I try to argue with my 742 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:27.880 dad about geopolitics because it's like, oh, he was in 743 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:31.400 the Navy and he knows about Operation Mantis. He was 744 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:34.280 in Operation Mantis in the Gulf War and all this, 745 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:36.639 and we've talked about this, and I'd be like, well, yeah, 746 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.320 but you don't understand the neocons are all wrong because 747 00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.960 blah blah, blah blah. And even though I was right 748 00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:43.440 in what I was saying to my dad about why 749 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.840 the neocons were wrong, my dad would just say stuff 750 00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:49.719 like do you have any assets? Have you got anything 751 00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.760 in your savings? Do you have any property? Are you 752 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.719 sure that you're going to pay your rent next week? 753 00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.360 And that would make me really mad, but my dad 754 00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.320 was right. And as you get older, you realize, oh, 755 00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:04.000 my dad wasn't just being mean. And I used to say, 756 00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:07.320 what all the people say to me, d me, I 757 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.039 said the same stuff about my dad. Oh, my dad's 758 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:12.480 just mean. I can't believe you. So, even though I 759 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:17.840 was geopolitically correct, the neocons are a bunch of fraud losers. 760 00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:23.480 My dad's point was rather way more practical. You're yapping 761 00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:25.719 about all of this stuff in the Middle East thirty 762 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.360 fifty hundred years ago. Are you going to be able 763 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:32.039 to pay your rent next week? And that's stung. But 764 00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:35.079 my dad was right and I was wrong. But I 765 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:39.239 was too immature and childish and out of whack to 766 00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:43.679 realize that. And a lot of you guys that are 767 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.320 in your twenties that hate me, Now as you get 768 00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:48.920 older in your thirties, you're gonna realize that I'm right 769 00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.079 what I'm saying to you. And it's not because I'm 770 00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.239 mean or I hate you or somebody. It's none of that. 771 00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:57.920 My dad doesn't hate me. My dad is a gruff 772 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:02.159 military guy. But I look back and I realized he 773 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:04.320 was right. I was wrong. I was the one that 774 00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:04.880 was immature. 775 00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:20.760 What does that say? 776 00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:24.880 Yeah, I'm not talking about the Jordan Peterson clean your 777 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:27.039 room stuff Like I don't even know what that. I 778 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:28.880 don't even know what you guys are talking about. I'm 779 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:38.519 just talking about like basic living practices and figuring out 780 00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:41.559 how to navigate in the world. A lot of the 781 00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:48.360 stuff that people think boomers are crazy about or ridiculous about, 782 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.400 and boomers were and are way too focused on the practical. 783 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.000 So I still think they are obsessed over stuff like 784 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.840 just making money or something. But there is a point 785 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.599 some of it. Right, If you've never run a business, 786 00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:09.119 how are you going to tell the world how money 787 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.679 should work? Just think about that. I remember when I 788 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:16.920 was in grad classes and we were talking about economics 789 00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:19.760 one day, and I remember leaving one of my grad 790 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:23.400 classes and going and listening to Peter Schiff on a podcast, 791 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:25.639 and he made a really good point. And I totally 792 00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:29.280 disagree with his gold boomer nonsense, right, but petersha have 793 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:32.440 made a really good point, which was, when you go 794 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:35.519 to college, you hear all these economics professors that have 795 00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.719 all these high fulutant ideas about stats and how the 796 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:42.320 economy should work. And he's like, but these professors have 797 00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.000 never run a business. Why would you think that a 798 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.000 person who's never run a business knows how the economy 799 00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.239 should work, and I remember thinking, man, that's actually I 800 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:57.760 never thought about that. Real world practical insight and wisdom 801 00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:06.159 is way more accurate than idealistic leftist, idiot college professor 802 00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.159 socialists who tell you all the along about how it 803 00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:11.000 should work and how it ought to be totally divorced 804 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:16.880 from the real world. And so again Peter shiff was 805 00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:22.400 actually right, and that massively changed my paradigm when it 806 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:25.239 came to wait a minute, these professors don't know anything. 807 00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:27.599 I mean, they know it's in some of the books. 808 00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:31.039 But and I remember talking to Sammy the Bull, right, 809 00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:35.639 and he said something like this, like, as a mafia guy, 810 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.639 I have a better insight into how the world actually 811 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:41.039 works than the professors. I was like, actually, that's pretty 812 00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:45.360 much true. There's a funny scene in the Rodney Dangerfield 813 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:49.360 movie too, where this comes up back to school. So 814 00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.840 there's this know it all college professor who's like talking 815 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:57.119 about all these economic theories, and Rodney Dangerfield goes back 816 00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:00.199 to college, right, it's kind of a it's still kind 817 00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:02.880 of a funny eighties movie. And he's just sitting in 818 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:06.800 the audio in the in the noting of the the class, 819 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:10.760 like in the back row and He's like, he's listened 820 00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:12.960 to the professor tell all these theories, and then he's like, 821 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.599 who's going to grease the goods? Right, He's like coming 822 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:17.599 up with all this basic practical stuff about how you 823 00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.280 actually run a business. So that's actually a pretty funny 824 00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.960 scene that exemplifies what I'm saying. If you never watched 825 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:26.159 Back to School, watch it's pretty funny, but for eighties movies. 826 00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:34.199 So I'm not gonna theologically go into the papacy or 827 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:36.559 Calvinism or whatever. We've done that a million times. You 828 00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:38.960 guys can go watch all those all those critiques. But 829 00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:42.440 I think personally part of the motivation for why I 830 00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.960 looked at and believe those systems for certain years in 831 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:49.159 my life was because I thought, well, there is this 832 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:55.440 perfect system somewhere that actually categorizes and explains everything. And 833 00:56:56.480 --> 00:57:00.679 when those systems would have very fundamental problem in them, 834 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:03.719 Calvinism and Tonism, then I would kind of be put 835 00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:07.480 into a quandary in my worldview would collapse. So then 836 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:08.880 I didn't know what to do and I would have 837 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.480 to you know, kind of it's kind of the way 838 00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:14.519 Jordan Peterson describes it, where you kind of have like 839 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:16.800 a death of your of yourself for a time period, 840 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:22.679 right your your worldview collapses, and it's a difficult experience, 841 00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:26.159 but it's also a good experience because it allows you 842 00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:30.280 to grow and become a better person. And it is 843 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.480 kind of like a little death, so to speak, when 844 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.199 you go through these paradigm level collapses in your in 845 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:42.519 your paradigm. So lastly, again to this point of like, yeah, 846 00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:46.599 I was looking into different ideas and I will maybe 847 00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:49.119 the neo Platonists and this and that, and maybe this 848 00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.000 system and that system, and then I realized, Okay, there's 849 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:55.840 not a perfect idealized system, and maybe the system building 850 00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:01.000 is itself the problem. And maybe books and deal politics 851 00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:03.800 and political movements aren't ultimately going to say this and 852 00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.719 that's not the ultimate answer. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy 853 00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:11.000 those things. But in all of these things that we've 854 00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:14.440 listed and talked about, I realized my priorities are out 855 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:18.159 of whack. That was the main problem here was I 856 00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:22.000 was putting all these other dumb things first as if 857 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.960 I was going to solve the world's problems. And then 858 00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:29.880 my own life has pretty significant flaws and problems and 859 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.440 I still have many problems. Sure, but when it comes 860 00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:38.320 to writing my own books, running a business, etc. Like 861 00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:42.320 those problems I have solved, right, becoming economically stable, paying 862 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.679 my bills. Those problems are solved. But I should have 863 00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:48.800 focused on figuring out how to solve those problems way 864 00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:52.440 earlier than trying to figure out all the world's problems. 865 00:58:53.079 --> 00:59:01.360 Does that make sense? So now I want to head 866 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:03.480 on over here to X and we'll open it up 867 00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:09.599 to see if somewhat related to these topics, if any 868 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:15.360 people want to call in. And I just said top 869 00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:17.760 ten because it was loosely ten that I jotted down 870 00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:19.559 on a piece of paper. It's not exactly ten, but 871 00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:23.159 you get the idea. Good enough. Right, I will be 872 00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:25.679 taking your calls, So we'll go ahead and start now 873 00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:36.159 and see if we get some good calls. Maybe it's 874 00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.119 time to now that we've kind of got a little 875 00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:42.119 more breathing room on YouTube with what we can talk about, 876 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:45.280 maybe it's time to go through some of these classic 877 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:48.000 texts that we could used to talk about. Right, I mean, 878 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.440 we would have been doing lectures on Imperium, we would 879 00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.360 have been doing lectures on Spangler, we would have been 880 00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:55.800 doing lectures on all this stuff years ago. If we 881 00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.280 hadn't had such a lockdown on what we could talk about. 882 01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:02.639 And people say, oh, you're a coward because you didn't 883 01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:05.320 just keep talking about Well, what was the point of 884 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:07.199 talking about the thing that would destroy the channel? 885 01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:07.639 I mean? 886 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:10.679 And by the way, I did get my website destroyed, 887 01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:14.599 So it's like I learned what it was like the 888 01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:18.280 hard way to get my entire livelihood deleted in one 889 01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:20.239 day and never got it back until I built it 890 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:20.960 back on my own. 891 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:26.199 Yeah. 892 01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:29.840 So if you want to call in, you can call 893 01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:34.039 in here on the X space where we are inviting. 894 01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:36.199 Protestants are pretty much anyone else. 895 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:36.360 I know. 896 01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:41.280 There's been such a a bevy of Protestants lately sort 897 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:43.559 of sounding off on Twitter. I thought maybe we could 898 01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:45.000 get some of them to come and chat. I don't 899 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:46.840 know if they ever will, But what's up, man, what's 900 01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:47.360 on your mind? 901 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:52.320 Hey, I'm looking non denominational. I've been looking into product, 902 01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:57.519 I mean, orthodoxy lately. I have some questions. Okay, kind 903 01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:58.960 of because because I'm kind of in like a more 904 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.079 charismatic circle. I saw some of your previous work a 905 01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:03.719 little bit, but like what is because I see a 906 01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.199 lot of verses in the Bible that they quote about 907 01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.480 like praying between like to the to the Father, praying 908 01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:11.639 in the spirit, Like, what is your kind of a 909 01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:13.239 response to those kind of verses. 910 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:17.320 Well, I mean, if you go to Orthodox liturgy, you'll 911 01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:21.559 notice that it's all trinitarian, So there's always a focus 912 01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.679 that the Holy Spirit moves us from the Son to 913 01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:28.599 the Father. So there's this trinitarian movement of focus and 914 01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.280 then it's not so it's not an either or so 915 01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:33.480 when you say praying in the Spirit to the Father, 916 01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:37.239 I mean, all the Orthodox liturgy is trinitarian, so it's 917 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:41.159 all going to be praying through the Spirit, through the Son, 918 01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:42.280 in the spirit to the Father. 919 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.480 Right, Yeah, there's a lot of different weird things they 920 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:47.599 do like that with the strinity. 921 01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:50.880 Because then a lot of them will get it kind. 922 01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:52.360 Of offended when you kind of mention because i mean, 923 01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:54.400 obviously the Bible says like the Holy Spirit was given 924 01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:56.480 like to the apostles, and then it goes through Apostolic 925 01:01:56.519 --> 01:01:57.800 succession and it. 926 01:01:57.800 --> 01:01:58.800 Kind of remains in the church. 927 01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:01.159 Is kind of my understanding is that truly like me 928 01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:02.840 and so these other people that kind of get offended 929 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:04.719 when they're like when they hear that kind of stuff 930 01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:06.880 because they're like, we don't have the Holy Spirit, So like, 931 01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.440 what is your kind of like understanding of like that. 932 01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:13.079 Well, they don't have the Holy Spirit in the sense 933 01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:16.199 of the gift of apostolic succession. So in the Orthodox view, 934 01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:20.599 the Holy Spirit in terms of authority and power to 935 01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:24.000 preach the Gospel and celebrate the sacraments is a gift 936 01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:26.800 that's passed on through apostolic succession, going back to the 937 01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:28.679 laying on of hands of the apostles. So if you 938 01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:31.960 read Paul's letters to Timothy, he describes this laying on 939 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:33.960 of hands and this transfer the gift of the Spirit 940 01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:39.880 for episcopal presbytery authority. So that's for people to have 941 01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:43.199 the authority to do the Eucharist and to exegy and 942 01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:47.360 to forgive sins and so forth. That's different from the 943 01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:49.960 presence of the Holy Spirit in terms of omnipresence, which 944 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:53.639 is everywhere. And yeah, there are movements and graces of 945 01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:56.000 the Holy Spirit to bring people to the Orthodox Church, 946 01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.320 or else none of us would have converted. But we 947 01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:01.239 wouldn't say that becase because the Holy Spirit is everywhere, 948 01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.320 that he's everywhere in the same way or in the 949 01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:06.719 same power, in the same mode. So he's for example, 950 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:11.000 present at the Eucharist to make it the body, blood, soul, 951 01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:13.639 and divinity of Christ in a way that he's not 952 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:18.239 present everywhere in the world. So there's a unique sacramental 953 01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:22.119 presence that's not everywhere, and so that's why we make 954 01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.440 these kinds of theological distinctions. So, yeah, the Holy Spirit 955 01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:29.159 still can move and influence Protestants and Evangelicals, but not 956 01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:33.239 in the same way mode, degree, force, and power as 957 01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:34.480 in the Orthodox Church. 958 01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:36.079 Thank you. 959 01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.599 And because with the Protestants, a lot of times, like 960 01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:41.199 I mean, like I would like I kind of feel 961 01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:41.480 like a. 962 01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:43.639 Lot of their criticisms come from a good place, and 963 01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:46.880 obviously it goes the wrong way. But like, for example, 964 01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:48.440 like the faith alone stuff, like I feel like a 965 01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:51.679 lot of times they feel they feel good, like key word, 966 01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:54.000 they feel like the church is a kind of forsaking 967 01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:56.800 what Jesus did by putting stuff in the way. So 968 01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:58.519 like and I kind of had like a question of 969 01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.760 that's like if someone is like believes on Jesus and stuff, 970 01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:03.880 and they're in the process of like maybe say katechisis 971 01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:05.719 or maybe they're just going to an Orthodox church for 972 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.519 like three weeks or something, and like say that person 973 01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.199 was like God forbid passed away or something like how 974 01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:12.960 is something like that work where they're in the process, 975 01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:14.559 because I think that's where a lot of Protestants get 976 01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:18.519 tripped up and understanding the idea of salvation. They feel 977 01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:20.760 kind of like the church is like kind of forsaking 978 01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:22.360 what Jesus did, because that kind of is. 979 01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:23.519 Like a right. 980 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:27.119 Yeah. So I mean, first of all, Paul himself in 981 01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:32.480 Galatians explains in what sense he means faith, and it's 982 01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:36.719 not faith apart from any work. It is faith apart 983 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.519 from the works of Jewish ceremonial law, because he says 984 01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:44.280 that the only faith that avails anything is the faith 985 01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:48.199 that works through love. So it is a loving, working 986 01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:52.079 faith that saves, as he says in Galatians five right there, 987 01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:55.679 verse six, And that's exactly the same thing that James 988 01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:59.639 is saying. When James says that it is not faith alone, 989 01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:02.800 that's says, okay, So James and Paul teach the same thing. 990 01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:05.840 It's just a Protestants take the passages where Paul is 991 01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:08.760 talking about not by the works of the mosaic or 992 01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:13.280 ceremonial law. Does this grace or this this theosis occur. 993 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:18.480 It is through a faith that works in love. Okay, 994 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:25.239 so it's not even oh, I in my heart do 995 01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:28.199 an action of you know, in accord with the ten 996 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.639 Commandments and that causes God's grace to come to me. Now, 997 01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:36.079 there's always a synergy, and even the works that we 998 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:39.639 do don't force God or cause God to save us. 999 01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:42.400 God is the one who initiates, but the fact that 1000 01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:47.800 he initiates doesn't remove our energy of will and synergy 1001 01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:50.480 at every step in the process. There's never a part 1002 01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:55.320 or a place where God overwhelms us or does everything, 1003 01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:58.800 and we don't still have human will and energy proper 1004 01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:01.599 to our nature because we've never lost our human nature. 1005 01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:04.920 And that's why Calvinists and all these monarchists, they actually 1006 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.800 become crystological heretics when they adopt the monarchists position. Anyway, 1007 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:13.840 but Paul is clearly saying that the only faith that 1008 01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:18.480 saves is the one that works through love. But great questions, Daniel, 1009 01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:18.880 what's up? 1010 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:24.199 Hello? 1011 01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:26.239 Hey, Hey, what's up? 1012 01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:26.559 Jay? 1013 01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:29.320 I had a question for you. 1014 01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.679 Born and raised a Protestant, I'm thirty, just now coming around. 1015 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:37.840 I realized I can't stay Protestant because people in the 1016 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:40.440 early Church do not believe what I believe. With that said, 1017 01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:42.599 I was raised in the buckle of the Bible belt, 1018 01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:47.559 very pentecostal running around Benny Henon star wars, force on 1019 01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:52.000 people falling out in the spirit, but reflecting more in life. 1020 01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:54.599 I had lots of spiritual experiences. 1021 01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:56.760 It's not a bragg because all of them were negative 1022 01:06:57.599 --> 01:06:59.880 and they all were in like the church I grew up. 1023 01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:03.880 And so is that unheard of with Pentecostalism and the 1024 01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:07.480 conversations you had with people that have come from the sect, 1025 01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:12.360 And what even is pentecost Like, where did this come from? 1026 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:14.599 Because I'm looking at church history. This was not a 1027 01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:16.039 thing in the early church, right the. 1028 01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:18.880 Brain, well, it was a thing called Montanism. So the 1029 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:22.280 Montanus did the very thing that Pentecostals and Charismatics do today, 1030 01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:27.079 and they were condemned within the first between one and 1031 01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.360 two hundred a d. The sect was condemned because it 1032 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:35.920 really gave the idea that there's ongoing new divine revelations, 1033 01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:39.079 and that kind of ends up, even if they don't 1034 01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:42.599 mean it too, it ends up replacing and subverting and 1035 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:47.079 supplanting the finality of the depositive faith, which, according to 1036 01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:49.599 Jude was once we're all delivered to the saints. So 1037 01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:51.639 if it's once we're all delivered by a Jude three, 1038 01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:55.960 there's not new ongoing public revelations. And once Montanus, who 1039 01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:58.480 was the early Church charismatics, started to preach that he 1040 01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:00.480 was the mouthpiece of the Holy Spirit and he had 1041 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.960 new divine revelations and he's got two women prophetesces with him, 1042 01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:08.960 the Church said no, no, sorry, that's that's heretical. So that's 1043 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:11.119 the origin of it in the early Church. But the 1044 01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:15.400 modern Pentecostal charismatic movement comes out of Roman Catholicism and 1045 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:18.479 the histrionic women saints of the last five hundred years 1046 01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:22.159 of the Roman Catholic Church that then become normalized in 1047 01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:25.520 the Protestant world through the Azuza Street Revival and all 1048 01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:29.239 that stuff. And I have multiple long live streams on 1049 01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:31.800 my channel. If you just type in jade ire Comma 1050 01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:36.000 charismatic or Pentecostal, you'll get a bunch of critiques and reputations. 1051 01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:42.560 Logan Ramsey, who is I think a pastor preacher? What's up? Logan? 1052 01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:44.239 Hey? 1053 01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:47.520 Jay, So Mike question for you is related to the 1054 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:51.880 issue of solo scriptura. And I was one turn, I 1055 01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:55.279 was wondering if you could tell me if you believe 1056 01:08:55.399 --> 01:09:00.600 the Church today currently possesses anything that is fani other 1057 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:02.479 than the scriptures. 1058 01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:05.279 Sure, the Divine Liturgy. 1059 01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:10.279 Are you suggesting that it's the honest God breathed in 1060 01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:12.079 the same exact way as the Holy Scriptures? 1061 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:12.720 Yes? 1062 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.039 Okay, how do you justify that claim? 1063 01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:19.520 Well, if you look at the Old Testament, when native 1064 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:22.760 and abay Whu are rebuked, they're rebuked because you can't 1065 01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:27.720 introduce or get creative with how we worship God. So 1066 01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:31.479 either God left the Church destitute in the first, second, 1067 01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:36.159 third century with no clear pattern of worship, or the Apostles, 1068 01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:41.760 outside of the written texts, crafted apostolic liturgies that we 1069 01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:44.720 know via tradition. So does the New Testament contain a 1070 01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:46.600 explicit worship service. 1071 01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:51.640 No, I wouldn't say it contains a specific word. 1072 01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:54.960 So does God not care about how he's worshiped anymore? 1073 01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:56.119 No? 1074 01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:58.920 I believe God cares about how he's worshiped. And I 1075 01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:00.800 think if we look at NAT having a buye who 1076 01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:03.399 God specifically doesn't want anything unauthorized? 1077 01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:09.000 Correct? So the Apostles authorized a liturgical service, which Protestant 1078 01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:13.520 liturgists actually will admit is an apostolic practice in the 1079 01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:15.119 first second century, right or not? 1080 01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:19.880 Well, you would have to demonstrate that the apostles themselves 1081 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:21.600 gave a liturgical order. 1082 01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:25.079 Well, the demonstration is the tradition of the church, and 1083 01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:27.960 since you don't accept that by definition, there is no 1084 01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:31.039 way to demonstrate it if it is an extra canonical thing, 1085 01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:33.960 because your assumption is that it has to be proven 1086 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:37.560 from the canonical texts. But what is the normative authority 1087 01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:40.079 by which we know what the canonical texts are? 1088 01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:45.479 Well, I would say that the canon is self attesting. 1089 01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:51.039 So when there was all of these disputes throughout the 1090 01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:56.600 first several centuries, who was really the self attesting canon authority? 1091 01:10:57.520 --> 01:10:59.960 Well, if it's self attesting, then it doesn't need any 1092 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:00.640 extra authority. 1093 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:02.520 God does not swear by anyone other than them. 1094 01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:06.079 So you're not even aware of how this actual process 1095 01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:08.640 happened in the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth centuries. 1096 01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:10.800 You don't think that, do you think that we can 1097 01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:13.359 go read the people debating about what text went into 1098 01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:14.520 the canon in those centuries? 1099 01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:15.800 Oh? 1100 01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:20.319 Yeah, okay, So who was the Baptist pastor that figured 1101 01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:22.199 out at that time that it was self attesting. 1102 01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:26.920 Well, there was obviously no Baptist back then the way 1103 01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:29.960 that we have Baptists now. My point is that the 1104 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.760 Canon itself is self attesting. 1105 01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:34.720 Okay, you say that, How do you know that, and 1106 01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:36.399 where is the historical evidence of that? 1107 01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:41.760 Well, it flows from the fact that it is God's 1108 01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:43.760 own word and God can. 1109 01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:47.199 So you keep stating things that you've not demonstrated to 1110 01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:49.479 just reinforce what your position is. So I know you 1111 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:52.279 think that, But can you give me anybody in those 1112 01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:56.319 centuries that argues that the canon was self attesting and 1113 01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:00.079 that we would solve the canonical issue by just simply saying, well, 1114 01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:02.880 the one that's self attesting. You don't see how ahistorical 1115 01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:03.279 that is. 1116 01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:08.760 I am not aware of a self attesting case. 1117 01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:12.920 For the canon in the early period. Interestingly, it doesn't 1118 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:13.920 flow from. 1119 01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:20.520 That that the canon is determined by the human group 1120 01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:22.600 that has authority here on earth. 1121 01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:25.840 Well, again, you say that, but when I go to 1122 01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:30.119 the Apostolic Canons, which was the Eastern Church's normative approach 1123 01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:34.399 to what was the Bible, and Canon eighty five explicitly 1124 01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:39.039 argues for pretty much most of the Dutero Canon, why 1125 01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:40.520 wasn't that self attesting there. 1126 01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:45.119 Well, if you want to talk about the Deutero canon, 1127 01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:47.359 I would go to what Paul says in the Book 1128 01:12:47.399 --> 01:12:48.159 of run Ons. 1129 01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:50.720 I want to I know you think that Paul talks 1130 01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:52.760 about that in Romans, but I want to know in 1131 01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:57.119 the fourth century, where was anybody with your mindset trying 1132 01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.920 to figure out Well, wait a minute, Apostolic canons. It's 1133 01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:02.560 just the one that's self attesting. 1134 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:07.680 Like I said, I'm not aware of anyone in the 1135 01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:12.199 early period specifically making the argument for cannon on the. 1136 01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:14.159 Basis of its self attestation. 1137 01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:18.359 But I do think that so it's a historical rights. 1138 01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:20.479 So your position is a historical that we're remitting. 1139 01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:27.680 I'm saying the specific argument for the canon is something 1140 01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:29.960 that was not the issue. 1141 01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:30.520 Of the early Church. 1142 01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:33.760 Oh wait a minute, again, not true, because I'm showing 1143 01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:36.720 you absolute Canon eighty five right here, which has for 1144 01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:39.359 the entirety of the East most of the Dutero Canon. 1145 01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:42.199 Are you familiar with the Council of Rome under Damasis, 1146 01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:47.239 I'm somewhat familiar with it. Okay, it also in the 1147 01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:52.319 West in the fourth century has the Deutero canon as normative. 1148 01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:56.680 So East and West throughout the entire Church of the 1149 01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:00.520 fourth century, almost the entirety of the Church, and I 1150 01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:04.600 don't know if there's anybody who disagrees until Jerome. Almost 1151 01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:08.159 all the entire church accepts the Judo canon. So they 1152 01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:09.039 all got it wrong. 1153 01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:14.960 Yeah, I think Jerome was right to look at the 1154 01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:16.720 Jews themselves to see. 1155 01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:22.319 What Why do post Apostolic anti christ Jews that changed 1156 01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:26.039 the Dutero canonical text according to Irenaeus and Justin Martyr, 1157 01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.840 why do they have any authority for the Church to 1158 01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:29.840 determine the canon. 1159 01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:33.159 I think that the Jews already had a canon in 1160 01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:33.840 the life of Christ. 1161 01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:36.359 That's why Jesus, No, they didn't. No, that's your assumption, 1162 01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:38.800 and most Protestant scholars I have a whole essay on 1163 01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:42.000 this admit that at the time of the Apostles there 1164 01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:45.039 was not a fixed canon. The only thing that comes 1165 01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:47.880 close to that is the legend of the Council of Jamnia, 1166 01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.359 and that is after the time of the Apostles. So 1167 01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:55.960 the Apostolic Bible is the Septuagint, which includes the duterocononical books. 1168 01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.439 And that's why Paul and Jesus referenced the duter canonical 1169 01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:02.359 stories and tax many times in their epistles. So that's 1170 01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:03.199 absolutely false. 1171 01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:08.199 I think if you're familiar with the scholarship of Roger Beckweth, 1172 01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:11.399 he demonstrates that there were specific sacred books laid up 1173 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:12.000 in the temple. 1174 01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:12.760 Obvious. 1175 01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:18.279 So nobody understood this until a random Protestant scholar of 1176 01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:21.319 the modern period said, oh, there was some books laid 1177 01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:23.520 up in the temple, and that's the Protestant canon. 1178 01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:28.279 Well, Josephus himself testifies to do this. 1179 01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:32.079 So Jews anti Christ Jews tell us what the canon 1180 01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:33.399 is for the church? Did they tell us the New 1181 01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:34.359 Testament canon too? 1182 01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:37.840 Well, when I'm talking about the Old Testament canon, I'm 1183 01:15:37.880 --> 01:15:41.399 talking about what was understood by the Jews during. 1184 01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:41.880 The life of Christ. 1185 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:45.359 Yeah, but that's not true. Again, that's uh that does 1186 01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:46.560 Paul use the septuagen? 1187 01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:51.079 Yeah, he's writing in Greek to Greek speaking. 1188 01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:54.399 People, So he did the septuagen include the doer canonical texts? 1189 01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:57.640 Uh? Well the. 1190 01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:01.720 Answer yes, Protestant scholars admit this. 1191 01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:05.680 Well, my point is that the sept tuoogen in that 1192 01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:08.960 early period was not the you know, it wasn't all 1193 01:16:09.039 --> 01:16:09.920 bound in one thing. 1194 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:13.000 We have a collection of long book step I can 1195 01:16:13.079 --> 01:16:16.119 give you multiple Protestant scholars that admit that, yes, it 1196 01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:19.119 included the duo chrononical texts, and Paul S going to be. 1197 01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:22.720 I don't dispute that fact. 1198 01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:24.880 I was just saying the sept tuo agent as it 1199 01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:27.159 existed in the ancient period. 1200 01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:29.560 You know, we have a collection of Okay, So in 1201 01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:31.600 other words, you just keep moving the goalpost, you just 1202 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:36.119 keep coping. So again, this is not going anywhere because what. 1203 01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:39.560 I'm just trying to be specific about what as we're 1204 01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:40.000 talking about. 1205 01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:41.159 I don't think I'm coping. 1206 01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:47.640 But what Joe ciphas was a crazy cult member. What 1207 01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:50.039 does he have to do with the Old Testament Jewish canon? 1208 01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:57.000 And by the way, he was a hellenized you anyway. 1209 01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:58.239 I'm saying, he's a Jewish person who attests to the 1210 01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:01.520 fact that there were certain sacred books that were laid 1211 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:04.520 up in the temple, and so for one thing, the 1212 01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:05.800 temple has to be in existence. 1213 01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:07.680 How do you know that what's laid up in the 1214 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:09.720 temple tells you the Jewish canon? 1215 01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:14.840 Because the understanding of the Jews was that nothing could 1216 01:17:14.840 --> 01:17:16.960 be laid up in the temple unless it happened. 1217 01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:19.159 How do you know that that tells you the Jewish canton. 1218 01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:20.159 When was Jamnia? 1219 01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:24.319 That was in these early second centuries? 1220 01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:26.800 Thank you? So, how do you know that that tells 1221 01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:27.479 you the canon? 1222 01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:30.920 I'm not talking about Jamie, I'm talking about prior. 1223 01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:33.520 No, how do you know that the accus or the 1224 01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:36.199 allegation of what's laid up in the temple tells you 1225 01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:36.800 the canon? 1226 01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:41.119 Because in order for something to be laid up in 1227 01:17:41.159 --> 01:17:42.119 the temple, it happens. 1228 01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:43.880 How do you know that tells you the canon? You 1229 01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:46.800 just keep stating that the position tells you what. 1230 01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:49.520 You're not allowing me to finish what I'm saying. 1231 01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:51.800 You just restate the argument, which is not telling me. 1232 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:53.760 How you know how you tell you that? How that 1233 01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:54.800 tells us the canon? 1234 01:17:55.640 --> 01:17:59.560 I'm saying that the books had to be holy, and 1235 01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:01.560 so the fact that they were laid up. 1236 01:18:01.479 --> 01:18:03.359 In the temple like that that, how. 1237 01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:06.479 Does that tell you the canon? If the Jews themselves 1238 01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:11.800 debate the canon centuries later at Jamnia, we don't even 1239 01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:13.640 know if Jamny is real, it's just a legend. 1240 01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:17.000 Well, the fact that they were debating the canon doesn't 1241 01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:19.119 mean a canon didn't exist. You and I disagree on 1242 01:18:19.159 --> 01:18:21.960 the canon doesn't mean that there is not no no. 1243 01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:24.560 All, No, it's you that disagrees because you're not in 1244 01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:26.720 the church and you have no canon other than what 1245 01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:28.920 you think the Jews told you as the canon. So 1246 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:31.319 it's actually you this the Judaized heretic. You're not even 1247 01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:34.199 in the church, so you're not even disagreeing with anybody 1248 01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:34.880 but the church. 1249 01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:39.239 Huh was Jerome at judaized heretic? What about Athenasius? 1250 01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:42.239 Oh wait a minute, so now church individual church fathers 1251 01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:45.159 are the ones that we pick. I didn't say that 1252 01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:48.760 Athanasius cites the dudoconical text, so what are you talking about? 1253 01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:52.479 Well, in his thirty nine Festal letter, he doesn't list all. 1254 01:18:52.359 --> 01:18:53.399 Of the Dudo canon. 1255 01:18:54.199 --> 01:18:57.199 He cites the Utero canonical text throughout his writings, and 1256 01:18:57.239 --> 01:19:00.479 what he actually says is that for catechumens, the Dudo 1257 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:04.880 canon is perfect to catechize them. So you don't believe, 1258 01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:07.399 you don't believe that the Duro canons for catechizing people? 1259 01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:10.079 And why do you listen to Athanasius? He was a 1260 01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:12.399 he was a pope of Alexandria. 1261 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:16.600 A pope of Alexandria, and you. 1262 01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:19.199 Didn't know that that's a classic title for also the 1263 01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:24.239 bishop of Alexandra Yeah, no, you didn't know that. You 1264 01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:26.279 didn't know that. Admit that you didn't know that because 1265 01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:27.000 you balked at it. 1266 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:30.880 I balked at it because when you you bring it 1267 01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:33.039 up as if it would be so ridiculous, I would 1268 01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:37.439 give heed to anything Athanasius says, when very obviously him 1269 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:40.800 being referenced as the father in Alexandria is not the 1270 01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:43.800 same thing that's understood by Mono Roman Catholics in regard 1271 01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:44.479 to the papacy. 1272 01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.000 Oh so this is this again again. The fact that 1273 01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:51.640 he's called pope proves that it's not a title unique 1274 01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:53.840 to the papacy. It's an argument against the papacy. So 1275 01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:56.479 you even understand what the argument is, it just shows 1276 01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:58.640 that you're not even have you read, actually read Althenasius? 1277 01:19:58.720 --> 01:19:59.920 Have you read the Festal letters? 1278 01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:03.800 I've well, I've specifically read the three nine Festal letter. 1279 01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:06.000 Ok, I don't, right, But because that's the only thing 1280 01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:07.600 that you cared about, because you thought it backed up 1281 01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:10.319 the Protestant cannon when he says it, actually the deudo 1282 01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:12.680 canon is for katechisas have you e readbody says about 1283 01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:17.920 the Eucharist? What specifically at all in any of the 1284 01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:21.800 festal letters. No, okay, right, have you read the Canons 1285 01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:25.600 of Nicea? I have not read the Cannons nice okay, 1286 01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:27.119 So why are you even debating stuff that you're not 1287 01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:29.640 even familiar with the basics. That's why it's just a 1288 01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:32.479 waste of time for these people who have no idea 1289 01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:34.319 about any of this stuff, but they want to come 1290 01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:38.760 and debate what they think some Protestant scholar told them about. Well, 1291 01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:40.880 it was laid up in the temple, so it's the 1292 01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:43.600 canon tomo. What's up? 1293 01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:52.319 Hello God? 1294 01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:54.720 Yep, yep, right. 1295 01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:58.920 Good. So I'm I've been wondering. 1296 01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:04.319 So how would they come to talking with Zionists even Gallicals. 1297 01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:10.399 You could give them your footable proof that this whole 1298 01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:17.399 you know, Christians, you know, United the Jews, is completely unduticual. 1299 01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:21.359 You can give them scripts or versus, and then you 1300 01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:25.840 can give them quotes from earlier Christians, such as the 1301 01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:30.479 Church Fathers or other saints from years ago, such as 1302 01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:33.880 when Saint Ignatius said that christian did. 1303 01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:37.880 Not come from Judaism. Judaism is a perversion of Christianity. 1304 01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:41.479 You can give them all of that, and they and 1305 01:21:41.479 --> 01:21:45.239 and they'll just still automatically call you an anti semi 1306 01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:48.960 or from my experience, they'll use a bunch of fallacies 1307 01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:52.600 such as a straw man argument, like and like. 1308 01:21:52.760 --> 01:21:53.920 So why do you think they do this? 1309 01:21:55.920 --> 01:22:01.159 Because they are indoctrinated and they people don't believe things 1310 01:22:01.279 --> 01:22:04.760 just on the basis of logic, reasoning and argumentation. People 1311 01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:08.399 believe things because of emotional attachments, because of delusions, because 1312 01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:11.439 of pride. I mean, there can be all manner of 1313 01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:13.560 reasons why. I mean, look at the romancalol God that 1314 01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:15.359 just said the other day that we shared his tweet. 1315 01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:18.640 He said, even if my Roman Catholicism is proven false, 1316 01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:22.640 I'll just remain Catholic. So they don't care about what's 1317 01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:26.880 true first and foremost. And that's the main problem with 1318 01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:30.600 a lot of people. They would rather stay in their 1319 01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:34.199 heresy or their stupid pet theory that they've come up 1320 01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:38.319 with than believe what is true. Now, why don't I 1321 01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:42.199 say the Canons of Nicea, Because any person who's a Baptist, 1322 01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:44.439 there is no way you could read the Canons of 1323 01:22:44.479 --> 01:22:47.600 Nicea and come away thinking that you have anything in 1324 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:50.359 common with the faith of the people that wrote the 1325 01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:55.000 Nicene Creed or the Canons of Nicea. Every Protestant should 1326 01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:58.720 read go to New Advent. And I'm not just talking 1327 01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:02.960 about the Nicene Creed the canons of the Council of Nicea, 1328 01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:05.800 because you will notice that they talk about the Eucharist 1329 01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:10.399 as i sacrifice. They talk about monastics, they talk about excommunication, 1330 01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:16.239 they talk about bishops and episcopate, they talk about jurisdictions 1331 01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:22.880 between Rome, Alexandria and Antioch. Baptists don't have jurisdictions. You 1332 01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:25.960 don't have bishops, you don't have the Eucharist, you don't 1333 01:23:25.960 --> 01:23:29.000 have any of this stuff. And they all lie and 1334 01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:32.640 pretend that they have the same faith as Athenaious. No 1335 01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:36.960 you don't. It is not true. We believe the same 1336 01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:43.920 thing as Athnacius. For example, synodol church government, and Catechumans 1337 01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:52.279 Eucharist at the point of death. Deacons can't touch the 1338 01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:58.920 Eucharist before the priest touches it. Stop acting like you 1339 01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:02.479 have the faith of Athanasius when you don't. It's just 1340 01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:06.000 not true. And that's why he relies on the schism 1341 01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:10.720 of this or that Jewish idea of what the canon is. 1342 01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:19.520 So Protestants are unwitting and willing Judaizers from the get go. Steve, 1343 01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:19.960 what's up? 1344 01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:36.319 Yeah, Steve, you what's on your mind? 1345 01:24:37.760 --> 01:24:38.199 Good man? 1346 01:24:40.079 --> 01:24:43.960 My my question is just more like I don't know what, Like, 1347 01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:47.159 they're not the denomination I kind of would be in 1348 01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:51.000 or whatever. But my question is more with the with 1349 01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:52.159 the paying to the saints. 1350 01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:59.159 How do you I've got videos on that. It's because 1351 01:24:59.199 --> 01:25:02.800 we're all part of this same heavenly liturgy. When John 1352 01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:05.600 looks into heaven Revelation five or nine, he sees and 1353 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:09.359 participates in the worship of Heaven, which is presenting the 1354 01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:11.960 prayers of the saints on earth. So we're asking the 1355 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:14.720 saints to pray for us. I have many many videos 1356 01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:16.640 on that. You can go watch those videos. But thank 1357 01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:16.960 you for that. 1358 01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:17.239 C K. 1359 01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:17.840 What's up? 1360 01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:25.960 What's up? John? Sell your mom? Yeah? 1361 01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:30.640 It is crazy how it's almost like Protestants think it's 1362 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:36.079 acceptable to quote mind church fathers with their presuppositions to 1363 01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:40.640 justify their Protestant worldview. You know, I don't know why 1364 01:25:41.159 --> 01:25:45.399 on what basis they think that's okay to debate on 1365 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:49.800 or to prove Protestantism, But it never fails to amaze 1366 01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:50.520 me when they do that. 1367 01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:51.119 It's crazy. 1368 01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:58.279 Yeah, it's uh, And it's like it doesn't matter how 1369 01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:02.399 many times you explain the difference between individual certitude and 1370 01:26:02.439 --> 01:26:05.000 normative authority. Like they still they still have a hard 1371 01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:08.720 time with it, But I'm happy to keep explaining it. 1372 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:12.279 Thomas Guzman, what's now again? Notice the strength of this 1373 01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:16.720 argument that they're not even aware of this. They don't 1374 01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:20.680 even know what the Absalt canons are. The Abslot canons 1375 01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:25.439 were the normative church law in the East in the 1376 01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:28.520 fourth century. So let's look at this point because I 1377 01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:30.479 think this is a really strong point, and it refutes 1378 01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:32.920 West to two. By the way, so we look at 1379 01:26:33.439 --> 01:26:37.039 the Apsalt canons. This is church law throughout the East 1380 01:26:37.199 --> 01:26:40.680 in the fourth century. We notice that the duduo canon 1381 01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:44.640 is part of divine revelation, is part of the Texas Scripture. 1382 01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:47.720 The word duro canon itself means that it's not equal 1383 01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:52.359 to the Gospels. It's not as important as everything else 1384 01:26:52.399 --> 01:26:54.640 in the New Testament, but it is part of the 1385 01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:57.920 canonical list. And that's why Athanasius says it's perfect for 1386 01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:01.359 categ humans. Well, I didn't recommend it for catechumans if 1387 01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:04.600 he thought it wasn't part of divine revelation. It is 1388 01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:08.520 called deutero secondary canon because it is not as important 1389 01:27:08.600 --> 01:27:12.039 as the Gospels. In the Orthodox Church, the Gospels are 1390 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:15.600 given a primary place before the Gospels are lifted up, 1391 01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:19.039 and they're in a gold book because they're important. You 1392 01:27:19.119 --> 01:27:22.279 have the reading of Paul's epistles. Paul's epistles are not 1393 01:27:22.479 --> 01:27:25.840 as important as the Gospels. So just because there's a 1394 01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:29.279 degree of importance, it doesn't follow from that that, oh, well, 1395 01:27:29.319 --> 01:27:33.680 Paul's epistles aren't authoritative or inspired because they're not lifted 1396 01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:37.359 up like the Gospels are. It's all Protestant either or thinking. 1397 01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:40.079 And they're taking Athenasius out of context. He didn't even 1398 01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:43.399 know that Athanasius was the pope of Alexandria. Because they're 1399 01:27:43.439 --> 01:27:46.720 not looking at the fact that distinctions in authority and 1400 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:51.960 importance doesn't mean that it's not inspired. That's their first mistake. 1401 01:27:52.119 --> 01:27:56.000 So fourth century Canon eighty five, we notice it lists 1402 01:27:56.039 --> 01:28:02.439 the Maccabees. See that now, Yes, it also mentions a 1403 01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:06.319 couple books that later on are not necessarily part of 1404 01:28:06.319 --> 01:28:10.560 the canon. So pay attention to what I'm saying and 1405 01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:14.000 stop being low tier and reacting on emotions. I am 1406 01:28:14.039 --> 01:28:17.159 not saying that the canon was closed in the fourth century. 1407 01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:21.159 I didn't say that. I'm saying that the Church throughout 1408 01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:24.439 the fourth century East and West, because when we look 1409 01:28:24.479 --> 01:28:28.600 over here in the West at the Council of Rome 1410 01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:31.520 under Damasis. Oh, it turns out they also believe in 1411 01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:35.840 the Dudo canon. So the entire universal Church in the 1412 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:39.760 fourth century, this is prior to Jerome. Okay, this is 1413 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:42.920 right before Jerome. Right around the time of Jerome, the 1414 01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:47.640 church agrees to the duo canon. Jerome disagrees, but he's 1415 01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:51.000 one guy against the rest of the mind of the Church. 1416 01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:58.840 In subsequent centuries, the church does not agree ultimately with Jerome, 1417 01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:04.119 because by the sixth and seventh centuries the church basically says, yes, 1418 01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:09.560 Canons of the Apostles, Canons of Carthage, Council of Rome. 1419 01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:12.800 We affirm it is not the Protestant what would be 1420 01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:23.000 the Protestant canon. So if the Protestant position is right, 1421 01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:28.960 then essentially, in the fourth century, universally east and West, 1422 01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:32.239 the church was completely wrong. They had completely aired on 1423 01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:35.039 the canon. Now, let's think about this for a second. 1424 01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:37.439 If the Church in the entire fourth century prior to 1425 01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:40.880 Jerome could be totally wrong about the canon, Jerome comes 1426 01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:44.359 along and he's correct, supposedly in refuting them. There's no 1427 01:29:44.479 --> 01:29:47.560 reason why Jerome can't in the future be wrong. And 1428 01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:49.960 multiple Protestants that I asked today, I said, wait a minute, 1429 01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:52.720 so is the canon still open? And to be consistent 1430 01:29:52.720 --> 01:29:55.560 with their position, they were like, I guess, oh, because 1431 01:29:55.600 --> 01:30:01.840 there is no post apostolic, infallible normative decision. Okay, well, 1432 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:05.119 then perhaps the higher critics are correct and we can 1433 01:30:05.199 --> 01:30:07.680 remove books from the canon. Do you not see how 1434 01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:12.600 silly this position is. If there's no normative authority after 1435 01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:25.479 the Apostles, then there's no reason why Jerome can't be wrong. Booh, Thomas, 1436 01:30:25.479 --> 01:30:31.359 what's up? I'm mute? 1437 01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:34.960 All right, hey, Jay, So I think what's going on 1438 01:30:35.039 --> 01:30:38.560 here is you're encountering a lot of people. They just 1439 01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:41.840 don't have your academic level of training. And I think 1440 01:30:41.880 --> 01:30:48.159 we really encounter it's a Fromana issue, and unwittingly personally, 1441 01:30:48.279 --> 01:30:55.239 I believe that many Protestants have incorporated or imported somewhat 1442 01:30:55.279 --> 01:30:56.840 of an Islamic. 1443 01:30:56.479 --> 01:31:03.319 Fromanah Oh in regard to this, not Fromana, Fronema, thank. 1444 01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:06.880 You, in regard to their relationship with scripture. 1445 01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:11.760 So in Islam, they believe that the Quran is. 1446 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:14.079 Eternal, and exactly I brought this up to that woman 1447 01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:15.760 yesterday or today. 1448 01:31:16.039 --> 01:31:19.479 Yeah, and i've literally and there, I've seen Protestants on 1449 01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:22.439 acts express similar ideas. 1450 01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:24.199 Yeah. They don't even think of the Word of God 1451 01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:28.880 as a person. It's the book. God is the book. Well, 1452 01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:32.479 they they equate it with Christ exactly. It's a it's 1453 01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:34.399 a form of a bibliolotry. 1454 01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:37.640 And what they don't understand is it's also it's it's 1455 01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:42.119 very limiting to God because the Bible, ultimately, even if 1456 01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:45.119 you're reading it in the original Greek, it's still written 1457 01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:46.520 in human language. 1458 01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:48.560 In human language is limited. 1459 01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:51.359 Yes, yeah, I know you're spot on. Yeah. 1460 01:31:51.399 --> 01:31:54.600 What what they don't understand is that one can fashion 1461 01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:58.359 and idol out of words and ideas just as easily 1462 01:31:58.399 --> 01:32:01.199 as one can fashion and idol life out of wooden stone. 1463 01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:05.439 Yes, all right, but the ideolotry, I talk about ideolotry. 1464 01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:09.760 Yeah, but there's like this this miss in there thinking. 1465 01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:14.039 But there are actual literal groups out there, they're very 1466 01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:19.159 tiny that literally believe that the Bible existed in heaven, 1467 01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:22.720 the King James version of the Bible existed in heaven, 1468 01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:27.640 written in English. Yeah, and that it was transmitted you know, 1469 01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:31.800 like it's like to the original authors of the texts 1470 01:32:32.199 --> 01:32:35.119 in a similar way that the Koran transmitted. 1471 01:32:35.239 --> 01:32:37.560 Yeah, and you can tell by the way that when 1472 01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:42.119 you study Islam, you can tell that when Mohammad was 1473 01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:46.960 kind of patching this together, he heard, probably because he was illiterate, 1474 01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:49.840 like he heard people saying, oh, the Christians talk about 1475 01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:54.600 the eternal Word of God, and Mohammad must have thought, oh, 1476 01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:58.680 that's a book, and what I have is the real 1477 01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:03.399 purified Word of God. So there's an eternal book of 1478 01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:06.600 God in heaven. You can tell that's exactly what he thought. 1479 01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:08.439 It. 1480 01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:12.279 It's basically whether they explicated or not that that's when 1481 01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:16.239 what it boils down to is the sol scripture position. 1482 01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:19.119 What they're trying to say is I know gold is 1483 01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:21.319 gold because I can look at it and. 1484 01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:22.279 Tell that it's gold. 1485 01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:26.359 But but it's not the same, Like they don't understand 1486 01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:30.920 that that a written a written document is not gold. 1487 01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:34.479 Or earlier I saw that there was that that one person. 1488 01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:37.039 She's always going on some Protestant. I forgot. 1489 01:33:37.319 --> 01:33:42.039 I forgot who was trying to equate interpreting scripture, like 1490 01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:45.720 saying it's on the level of like reading a cookbook. 1491 01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:49.920 I mean, like a cookbook is. 1492 01:33:49.880 --> 01:33:56.239 A completely different species of literature than scripture. But you 1493 01:33:56.239 --> 01:33:59.000 can you can point this out to people, and I've 1494 01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:02.600 noticed you get fresh rated. But the mindset of these 1495 01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:07.880 people it's just like so different, the the the it's 1496 01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:13.479 it's almost like the whole no matter no matter how 1497 01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:18.600 many facts you list, it's just not going to to 1498 01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:21.720 undo their mindset. Kind Of like at my former parish, 1499 01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:25.560 we had a convert. He was a former Muslim, and 1500 01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:27.560 one of the things he told me is when he 1501 01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:30.720 was a Muslim, he would hear the the Quran, and 1502 01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:33.560 he said it had like a narcotic like effect on 1503 01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:34.800 him when he would hear. 1504 01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:38.239 It, and and the that it. 1505 01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:42.479 Took like a lot to just like break those mental patterns. 1506 01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:46.239 And I think that you run into that a lot 1507 01:34:46.359 --> 01:34:50.520 with people, you know, the the they hear your words, 1508 01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:53.239 and I think on some level, like the gears turn, 1509 01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:57.560 they can repeat what you said, but they can't they 1510 01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:00.319 can't internalize it. That's what I think is going on, 1511 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:02.000 And I think that's why you get frustrated. 1512 01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:04.680 Well, that's why you're talking about. What you're talking about 1513 01:35:04.840 --> 01:35:11.560 is the actual psychology of what happens when paradigms get challenged. 1514 01:35:12.359 --> 01:35:16.000 I mean, hardly any of us when there's a challenge 1515 01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:19.960 that comes into our paradigm, we don't immediately say, ah, 1516 01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:24.359 allow me to be neutral, perhaps I can change my paradigm. 1517 01:35:24.399 --> 01:35:24.560 No. 1518 01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:26.399 No, What we all do as a kind of in 1519 01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:30.880 an emotional reaction, is we sense that our worldview is challenged, 1520 01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:34.880 and out of a kind of protective you know, shell 1521 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:39.840 in casing, we jump back with an emotive response. That's 1522 01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:44.079 just fallen human nature to do that because we are worried. 1523 01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:46.920 We don't, we're nervous, we don't. We think, oh, well, 1524 01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:49.199 maybe it is you know, maybe I'm wrong with it. 1525 01:35:49.359 --> 01:35:53.199 So you have to sort of protect the core identity 1526 01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:57.960 of the person who attaches their identity to these paradigms 1527 01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:00.279 and these worldviews. And we all do this right, This 1528 01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:02.960 is why, you know, the Roman Catholic guy says on 1529 01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:06.720 the tweet the other day, says, even if it's wrong, 1530 01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:10.159 I'm not going to leave it because the identity is 1531 01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:15.399 the person's subjective identity is erected with this system. And 1532 01:36:15.439 --> 01:36:18.720 it would mean essentially that he would have to start over. 1533 01:36:18.760 --> 01:36:22.199 There would be a death process that Jordan Peterson talks about. 1534 01:36:22.239 --> 01:36:25.640 Whenever there's something that shatters our paradigm. He says, it's 1535 01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:29.600 the same psychological process that a person goes through when 1536 01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:32.800 there's a death of a family member. It's the same 1537 01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:38.079 thing that happens in us emotively and even psychosomatically. And 1538 01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:42.920 that's why the defense mechanisms come up. So I try 1539 01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:45.640 to not be frustrated. It's still frustrating because even though 1540 01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:48.279 I recognize that like, it still is frustrating. It's still 1541 01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:52.600 hard to deal with the same old sort of you know, responses. 1542 01:36:52.760 --> 01:36:55.079 And I usually assume that if a person comes to debate, 1543 01:36:55.520 --> 01:36:57.079 they're going to be familiar with some of the of 1544 01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:59.279 the of the basics, and so many of the time 1545 01:36:59.560 --> 01:36:59.920 they're not. 1546 01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:04.239 Well, it's like you're talking to chatbots, and you know, 1547 01:37:04.399 --> 01:37:08.840 we all engage in confirmation bias to a degree or 1548 01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:11.760 else we'd go crazy. And it's also like what Willard 1549 01:37:11.800 --> 01:37:15.000 Benn Klein talks about the web of beliefs, like beliefs 1550 01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:16.279 that are closure to the center. 1551 01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:19.439 We're going to defend. However, one of the things. 1552 01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:22.600 That we have as Orthodox, like if Protestants stump me 1553 01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:26.399 on something or I don't know something, I can always say, 1554 01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:28.720 you know, if I don't know something, I can ask 1555 01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:29.760 my spiritual father. 1556 01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:31.239 I can ask my parish. 1557 01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:33.960 I can ask my bishop and I can get an 1558 01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:35.079 authoritative answer. 1559 01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:36.680 I don't have to figure this out. 1560 01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:39.680 I don't have to make a hope of myself because 1561 01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:41.640 ultimately that's what every Protestant does. 1562 01:37:41.680 --> 01:37:43.159 You make a pope of yourself. 1563 01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:45.359 Yeah, at the end of the day, you're the final 1564 01:37:45.399 --> 01:37:50.039 authority and there's no higher authority. And how do we know? Well, 1565 01:37:50.079 --> 01:38:02.640 God's talking to me, so chief, what's up? What's that mean? 1566 01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:04.760 Uh? 1567 01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:05.000 Yo? 1568 01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:08.079 Hello? Yeah, I'm in my car right now? 1569 01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:09.199 Is my audio plan? 1570 01:38:09.800 --> 01:38:11.119 Yeah? 1571 01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:12.000 Okay? 1572 01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:14.479 So I'm assuming you guys are all so many Catholic or. 1573 01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:16.640 What. 1574 01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:19.680 Okay, I'll just get right into it. 1575 01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:22.960 We're Orthodox Orthodox Catholics, not Roman Galicy. 1576 01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:24.359 Sure. 1577 01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:28.359 So my first question is to you, what do you 1578 01:38:28.479 --> 01:38:32.159 understand salvation to mean? Versus what Paul says about salvation? 1579 01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:36.000 Then number two is having a spiritual. 1580 01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:38.479 Father biblical for a second Timothy Chapter two for five. 1581 01:38:39.359 --> 01:38:41.399 Well, I mean Paul says I am your father in 1582 01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:44.520 the faith to Timothy. So it's Timothy himself that says 1583 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:47.800 that to Paul. I mean, it's that's the relationship that 1584 01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:49.399 Paul has to Timothy. So what do you mean? 1585 01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:51.000 Right? 1586 01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:52.000 But what is that in the verse. 1587 01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:57.359 Well, let's talk about faith alone first, because Paul says 1588 01:38:57.399 --> 01:39:00.960 in Galatians five to six that the faith that counts 1589 01:39:00.960 --> 01:39:02.239 as the one that works. 1590 01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:06.479 Right, So what if paula in gladious to three verse eleven. 1591 01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:10.319 Yeah, but you understand you've gott to harmonize the verses 1592 01:39:10.479 --> 01:39:13.039 and you can't just say, well, this one says not 1593 01:39:13.159 --> 01:39:18.000 by works, so right, right, So no one is justified 1594 01:39:18.039 --> 01:39:21.640 by mosaic law, we all agree. But the justification that 1595 01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:24.880 Paul talks about in in in Galatians five is the 1596 01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:26.239 one that works through love. 1597 01:39:26.119 --> 01:39:30.000 Right, Sure, So my response. 1598 01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:32.960 To that would be that, Paul, is that just by 1599 01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:34.359 faith in Galatians through eleven. 1600 01:39:34.399 --> 01:39:36.920 You also said it in two different other contexts. 1601 01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:40.159 Yeah, but you're just assuming that that's a faith that's 1602 01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:41.560 not the working faith. 1603 01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:44.119 Right, So what do you take? What do they work 1604 01:39:44.119 --> 01:39:44.520 in faith? 1605 01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:48.000 The one that works through love? How does Paul define love? 1606 01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:49.560 Right? 1607 01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:49.720 So? 1608 01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:50.880 Can you work for a gift? 1609 01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:55.279 It's not an either or You can also you can 1610 01:39:55.319 --> 01:39:57.439 be given a gift that is also partly what you 1611 01:39:57.520 --> 01:39:57.840 work for. 1612 01:39:57.960 --> 01:40:01.159 Yes, but that's not what the Bible. 1613 01:40:01.880 --> 01:40:03.800 Well, you just keep saying that's not what the Bible says. 1614 01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:05.800 But every time I show you something that is contrary 1615 01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:08.159 to you ignore it. When was Abraham saved? 1616 01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:11.439 Oh that's a good lesson. Go to Romans after fovers 1617 01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:12.039 one through three. 1618 01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:14.760 Yeah, I'm glad that you want to go to Roumans four. 1619 01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:18.840 Read Romans fors one through three? Was that? Was that? 1620 01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:21.520 Pays also a working kid? 1621 01:40:22.159 --> 01:40:22.319 Yes? 1622 01:40:22.439 --> 01:40:22.720 It was? 1623 01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:27.119 Because when did Abraham? When did Abraham pass from wrath 1624 01:40:27.199 --> 01:40:32.079 to grace? When did Abraham pass from wrath to grace? 1625 01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:32.640 In your view? 1626 01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:35.359 From what sorry of my herd? 1627 01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:39.479 When did Abraham pass from God's wrath to God's grace 1628 01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:40.039 in your view? 1629 01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:44.880 Well, the way they received ovation was a different No. 1630 01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:48.359 It wasn't. Then then how can you use then? How 1631 01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:51.399 can you use how can you use Romans? 1632 01:40:51.479 --> 01:40:51.520 For? 1633 01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:53.640 How would Paul use Abraham as a model if it's 1634 01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:54.279 a different way to be. 1635 01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:59.600 Saved because it shows that through Abraham he was not justified. 1636 01:40:59.199 --> 01:40:59.640 By the law. 1637 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:02.800 Just keep we know the Protestant we know the Protestant position. 1638 01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:05.479 How could Paul use Abraham as an example if it's 1639 01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:06.560 a different way to be saved? 1640 01:41:07.079 --> 01:41:09.439 Wait but it let me finish. 1641 01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:12.720 You're not even understanding the argument, dude, You're not even 1642 01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:16.479 understanding what I'm arguing, when was Abraham saved? 1643 01:41:18.119 --> 01:41:19.600 He saved after the idol? 1644 01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:23.079 Oh my god? When in his life was he saved? 1645 01:41:24.920 --> 01:41:26.159 We know you saved? 1646 01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:27.520 Words? 1647 01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:27.840 Right? 1648 01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:36.439 And when? What verse is Paul sighting? What verse in Romans? 1649 01:41:36.520 --> 01:41:39.439 For is Paul cding in Genesis? What chapter of Genesis? 1650 01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:40.960 I'm not aware? 1651 01:41:41.079 --> 01:41:46.239 Oh my god, it's Genesis fifteen? Sure, okay, does that 1652 01:41:46.399 --> 01:41:48.800 mean that that's when Abraham was saved Genesis fifteen? 1653 01:41:50.199 --> 01:41:50.760 No, of course not. 1654 01:41:52.039 --> 01:41:53.239 Okay, Then when was he saved? 1655 01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:53.920 Then? 1656 01:41:53.960 --> 01:41:54.920 When was he saved? 1657 01:41:57.199 --> 01:41:57.479 You're not. 1658 01:41:57.600 --> 01:41:59.760 I want you to address the argument, but you're you're not. 1659 01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:01.840 What are you laughing at it? You're making a fool 1660 01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:03.760 of yourself. When was Abraham saved? 1661 01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:05.479 Are you gonna let me speak? 1662 01:42:06.119 --> 01:42:08.880 When was Abraham saved? According to Paul? In your argument? 1663 01:42:09.640 --> 01:42:10.479 I'm gonna answer it. 1664 01:42:11.279 --> 01:42:15.239 Answer so, okay, So our forefathers of steve salvation different 1665 01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:17.039 than the way we did. No, they did it. You're 1666 01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:19.000 just saying that when was it? 1667 01:42:19.119 --> 01:42:19.399 All right? 1668 01:42:20.359 --> 01:42:23.279 All right? This is too retarded. I just can't even talk. 1669 01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:26.720 He's not following the argument, he's not even he doesn't 1670 01:42:26.720 --> 01:42:30.680 even understand what's being argued. Genesis fifteen is what cited 1671 01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:34.720 in Romans for if the Protestant position is true, then 1672 01:42:34.920 --> 01:42:38.560 Paul has made a theological error. Why because it would 1673 01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:42.520 mean that Abraham was lost from Genesis twelve to Genesis 1674 01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:47.399 fifteen until he was converted and saved in Genesis fifteen 1675 01:42:47.439 --> 01:42:50.960 by faith. So that means that there's three chapters of 1676 01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:54.920 Abraham doing good works that Hebrews lauds and praises. Hebrews 1677 01:42:54.960 --> 01:42:58.479 even says that Paul's actions of faith in Genesis twelve, thirteen, 1678 01:42:58.520 --> 01:43:02.760 and fourteen are action of exemplary faith. Uh oh, but 1679 01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:06.039 it turns out that if Romans four is teaching salvation 1680 01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:09.079 by faith alone, then Abraham's transition from wrath to grace 1681 01:43:09.279 --> 01:43:14.319 was in Genesis fifteen. And by the way, when James 1682 01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:17.720 White addressed this argument, he actually bit the bullet and said, yes, 1683 01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:20.720 Abraham was not saved in Genesis twelve, thirteen fourteen. He's 1684 01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:24.159 not saved until fifteen. Oh well, then guess what Hebrews 1685 01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:27.319 is wrong because it's saying a person with dead faith 1686 01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:30.039 who's lost was an example of faith because it laws 1687 01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:33.760 and praises Abraham's actions prior to fifteen. This is so stupid. 1688 01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:53.239 What's up? I'm mute? What's up, Matthew. Matthew, unmute? 1689 01:43:54.119 --> 01:43:54.640 Can you hear me? 1690 01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:55.239 Yep? 1691 01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:02.640 Counsel of Trollo in. 1692 01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:09.000 These Decree twelve and forty eight says that bishops should 1693 01:44:09.039 --> 01:44:09.520 not live. 1694 01:44:09.439 --> 01:44:10.199 With their wives. 1695 01:44:12.960 --> 01:44:17.640 I don't see how that is an alignment with Rust 1696 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:22.720 Corinthians seven, which says that you should only separate from 1697 01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:24.720 your wife for a limited time for a fascinated prayer. 1698 01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:26.439 Right. 1699 01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:29.640 Well, so the church has the authority to enact disciplines, 1700 01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:31.760 just like Paul had the authority to enact discipline. So 1701 01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:34.640 if there's a time period when the church determines that 1702 01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:38.600 it's appropriate for bishops to be drawn from monasteries, then 1703 01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:42.239 they can do that. It's not a ironclad rule that 1704 01:44:42.359 --> 01:44:44.560 could be overruled, and you could have bishops who are 1705 01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:45.479 married as possible. 1706 01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:49.600 Okay, so. 1707 01:44:53.159 --> 01:44:56.680 It's telling bishops they shouldn't live with their wives. But 1708 01:44:58.039 --> 01:44:59.960 that's that's some kind of new rebel. 1709 01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:05.319 No, No, it's not new revelation, because the writings of Paul. 1710 01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:08.439 In many places he says. For example, Paul even says 1711 01:45:09.039 --> 01:45:10.439 at one point in the epistle, I think it's to 1712 01:45:10.479 --> 01:45:12.319 the Corinthians. He says, this I give is my opinion, 1713 01:45:12.439 --> 01:45:14.399 not of the Holy Spirit. So in your view, was 1714 01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:16.119 the Holy Spirit telling Paul that this is not of 1715 01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:16.720 the Holy Spirit. 1716 01:45:18.680 --> 01:45:21.760 Well, I believe in that passage Paul is he's saying 1717 01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:24.000 when he's saying like, this is not from the Lord, 1718 01:45:24.479 --> 01:45:28.239 he's saying that Jesus himself didn't say that when Jesus 1719 01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:31.840 walked on the earth. I don't believe he's saying this 1720 01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:32.960 isn't actually from. 1721 01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:36.880 The Holy Spirit, even though he says he says not, 1722 01:45:37.920 --> 01:45:39.039 I say this not the Lord. 1723 01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:43.119 Right, He's saying that Jesus is the Lord. And so 1724 01:45:43.279 --> 01:45:45.199 when Jesus, he's saying, Jesus didn't say this. 1725 01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:46.000 Before I said this. 1726 01:45:47.479 --> 01:45:49.600 Okay, So you've come up with a Protestant cope to 1727 01:45:49.680 --> 01:45:53.520 where there's not actually just opinions. Paul's obviously giving his opinion. 1728 01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:56.000 He's saying this is not of the Holy Spirit. This 1729 01:45:56.199 --> 01:45:59.159 is my opinion. So it's not divine revelation. This is 1730 01:45:59.199 --> 01:46:01.800 what I think is why for this situation you're saying, no, 1731 01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:05.079 it's still a divine revelation. He's just saying that because 1732 01:46:05.159 --> 01:46:07.319 Jesus didn't literally say that. I mean, that's ridiculous. 1733 01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:12.119 So you're saying in First Corinthians, seven that when Paul 1734 01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:14.880 says to only separate from your way for a limited time, 1735 01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:18.000 that's Paul's opinion and not the only spirit. 1736 01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:22.960 Paul, as an apostle, has transferred apostolic authority for church 1737 01:46:23.159 --> 01:46:25.720 law for the church to govern and rule at different times. 1738 01:46:25.800 --> 01:46:28.600 So yes, there can be changes to church practice. It's 1739 01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:31.720 called canon law, and that's why Nicia, for example, lays 1740 01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:35.760 down canons and laws that aren't all necessarily followed even 1741 01:46:35.800 --> 01:46:38.359 to this day. That's why the church has to have flexibility. 1742 01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:42.119 So if at a period in time it's determined that 1743 01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:45.840 bishops should be drawn from monastics circles rather than from 1744 01:46:45.880 --> 01:46:49.119 the laity, that was done as a necessity for that time. 1745 01:46:49.279 --> 01:46:51.039 If you try to make the canon law into some 1746 01:46:51.159 --> 01:46:54.079 sort of eternal law, then it doesn't work. And that's 1747 01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:56.680 why no Orthodox person or no Orthodox church does that. 1748 01:46:56.800 --> 01:47:00.600 We don't make the canon's eternal laws. That's why they're flexible. 1749 01:47:03.439 --> 01:47:06.479 So you're saying, are certain times when what Paul said 1750 01:47:07.279 --> 01:47:09.600 can be disregarded due to what bishops say. 1751 01:47:10.680 --> 01:47:13.920 Bishops have authority because they're successors to the apostles, and 1752 01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:17.800 they have to address specific issues of their time and 1753 01:47:17.920 --> 01:47:20.760 your own heretical Protestant sex do the exact same thing. 1754 01:47:20.840 --> 01:47:22.199 So I don't know how you think you're any better. 1755 01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:27.039 So, but how is it a specific issue of the 1756 01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:29.439 time if they're just telling bishops they shouldn't live with 1757 01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:30.399 their wives. 1758 01:47:31.279 --> 01:47:34.479 Because that at that time where bishops came from and 1759 01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:37.720 how the Church got its bishops, it was determined to 1760 01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:40.520 be better and more beneficial if they were single and 1761 01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:44.079 they were drawn from monasteries versus the ones that were married, 1762 01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:47.319 because especially when it came to the mission field, if 1763 01:47:47.439 --> 01:47:50.000 bishops had families, that was very difficult for them to 1764 01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:53.600 go out and move to other places, harsh climates, et cetera. 1765 01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:59.239 So monastics ended up being better traveling bishops than married 1766 01:47:59.319 --> 01:48:04.079 priests were. So there's little tea traditions or disciplines that 1767 01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:09.079 the Church enacts for specific situations. That's why nobody believes 1768 01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:12.039 that church law is equivalent to divine revelation or that 1769 01:48:12.079 --> 01:48:15.520 it's equivalent to eternal commandments for all the time. That's why, 1770 01:48:15.560 --> 01:48:20.359 for example, Paul says, I don't think women should braid 1771 01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:25.159 their hair and wear you know, jewelry or whatever. He says, Okay, 1772 01:48:25.159 --> 01:48:27.800 well that's not an eternal law. As if women can't 1773 01:48:27.960 --> 01:48:30.560 braid their hair and walk into the church. Right, there's 1774 01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:34.319 specific situations for specific times. But you guys, are you 1775 01:48:34.439 --> 01:48:37.279 act like Muslims? You think that the Bible is an 1776 01:48:37.319 --> 01:48:40.720 eternal Kuran. That's a statement for every single situation in life. 1777 01:48:40.760 --> 01:48:41.039 It's not. 1778 01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:44.039 Okay? 1779 01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:48.880 Is would you say the same thing with Canon six 1780 01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:52.960 it says that a clergy can't get married after they're 1781 01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:54.319 appointed as a clergy. 1782 01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:58.159 Member, they can't get married. I see that in contradiction with. 1783 01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:02.479 We don't care what we don't care? What you think 1784 01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:05.039 is in contradiction because you don't have any authority at all. 1785 01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:07.760 So how do you know that? How do you know 1786 01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:08.760 I don't have the Holy Spirit? 1787 01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:12.239 You were not called because nobody with authority called you 1788 01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:14.880 or told you to preach. You're a self appointed street preacher. 1789 01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:19.680 Why would that matter? Why would I need somebody to 1790 01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:20.399 tell me to preach? 1791 01:49:20.840 --> 01:49:23.159 Really, have you read Hebrews? Because he Hebrews says that 1792 01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:25.720 nobody takes this office upon himself. 1793 01:49:28.279 --> 01:49:30.920 So the Great commission is is not for all believers. 1794 01:49:31.039 --> 01:49:34.279 You are not committed the Great commission. You appointed yourself 1795 01:49:34.359 --> 01:49:38.680 to preach and teach. Who appointed you to be? Who 1796 01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:41.000 appointed you to be a who appointed you to be 1797 01:49:41.039 --> 01:49:41.680 a street preacher. 1798 01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:44.279 Imitate him. 1799 01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:48.680 Paul did not appoint you to be a street preacher. No, see, 1800 01:49:48.880 --> 01:49:52.359 you are a self appointed person. You don't have any authority, 1801 01:49:53.039 --> 01:49:57.359 Hebrews says, Hebrews, you are not appointed by God because 1802 01:49:57.399 --> 01:49:59.880 you don't have any connection to the historic church. Yourself 1803 01:50:00.039 --> 01:50:01.680 appointed your delusion. 1804 01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:05.079 No, God's appointed me, You know he didn't. 1805 01:50:05.880 --> 01:50:08.119 I already know he didn't appoint you, because nobody with 1806 01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:10.119 the vine authority told you to go and do this. 1807 01:50:10.439 --> 01:50:13.199 And the fact that you say God directly appointed you 1808 01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:19.000 already tells me that you're disqualified. So when first John 1809 01:50:19.399 --> 01:50:23.079 two says, those are not your books, you're citing our books. 1810 01:50:23.079 --> 01:50:26.520 They're not your book. How do you know that the 1811 01:50:26.560 --> 01:50:29.680 Holy Spirit hasn't those aren't your because they're not your books. 1812 01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:32.079 You don't have those books. Those are not your property. 1813 01:50:32.239 --> 01:50:38.800 They're taken out of context that Christ commanded Jesus also 1814 01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:40.960 established a church and you're not part of it. 1815 01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:42.920 How do you know that? 1816 01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:45.960 Because you're a self appointed s tree preacher and everything 1817 01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:49.600 you're saying is like super low tier self appointed Protestant nonsense. 1818 01:50:49.640 --> 01:50:52.640 What do you mean who appointed you to teach? 1819 01:50:53.920 --> 01:50:55.720 Can tell a person to go I don't. 1820 01:50:56.199 --> 01:50:58.720 If so, everybody claims that the Holy Spirit appointed them, 1821 01:50:58.760 --> 01:51:01.319 who decides, where's the norm authority to decide between all 1822 01:51:01.359 --> 01:51:02.800 these self appointed street preachers? 1823 01:51:03.520 --> 01:51:04.880 Who appointed Jon preach? 1824 01:51:05.960 --> 01:51:08.359 Again, you're begging the question that you were appointed by 1825 01:51:08.399 --> 01:51:10.159 the Holy Spirit. Why should we think that. 1826 01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:14.720 Because the Holy Spirit is so? 1827 01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:16.760 Because the Holy Spirit told me, Because the Holy Spirit 1828 01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:18.439 told me, that's your argument. 1829 01:51:19.039 --> 01:51:21.920 How how else would you know what's from God. 1830 01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:24.479 With normative authority in history? That's the point. 1831 01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:26.920 How do you know who has normative authority in history 1832 01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:29.119 without revolution from the Holy Spirit? 1833 01:51:30.439 --> 01:51:33.760 Because I have a historical attestation to the Church, and 1834 01:51:33.920 --> 01:51:36.880 Jesus established a body of people called bishops who have 1835 01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:38.039 that authority which you don't have. 1836 01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:40.239 How do you know they're the church? 1837 01:51:40.279 --> 01:51:42.760 How do you know the people that because they teach 1838 01:51:42.800 --> 01:51:45.079 the same they because they teach the same thing through 1839 01:51:45.119 --> 01:51:47.439 all these centuries, And I've read all these church fathers 1840 01:51:47.479 --> 01:51:49.199 and they decided what the Bible is. 1841 01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:55.279 And that so that means the Holy Spirit can't tell 1842 01:51:55.359 --> 01:51:56.239 me what the Bible is. 1843 01:51:56.680 --> 01:52:01.119 Correct because you disagree with them? Who because sorry, say, 1844 01:52:01.119 --> 01:52:03.000 he's losing his mind, going crazy. This is why we 1845 01:52:03.079 --> 01:52:04.920 can't This is what these people are insane, San Jose? 1846 01:52:05.079 --> 01:52:11.760 What's up? No, every random dude does not have the authority. 1847 01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:15.119 The very fact that you say yourself appointed proves that 1848 01:52:15.239 --> 01:52:18.960 you're not appointed, because you are not a part of 1849 01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:21.279 the people who gave you the book that you're using. 1850 01:52:22.039 --> 01:52:26.479 What's up, man, Jay Day it is It is the 1851 01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:30.439 great Reformer of Mansfield here, Martin Lusa, and I am 1852 01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:34.720 here to settle the issue of Apostolic succession once on 1853 01:52:34.800 --> 01:52:36.560 Tarol Do you hear me? 1854 01:52:36.760 --> 01:52:37.319 Jdayah? 1855 01:52:37.720 --> 01:52:40.479 I am here to tell you that from ze Lolius 1856 01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:44.640 peasant to the great Sist Bishop, everyone has the authority 1857 01:52:44.760 --> 01:52:46.800 to properly interpret the scripture. 1858 01:52:47.439 --> 01:52:50.039 Yes, I have received it. I have received it. 1859 01:52:50.359 --> 01:52:52.600 Yeah, this is what Luther said. Luther said he would 1860 01:52:53.119 --> 01:52:57.359 want every plowboy to have all the same authority and 1861 01:52:57.439 --> 01:53:07.600 power as the Pope. Dale Grassias, what's up? Yeah? Yeah? 1862 01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:14.039 So my question is, how is Orthodoxy essentially different than Protestantism? 1863 01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:21.680 I mean, are you serious or like, yeah, are you trolling? 1864 01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:22.399 Are you being serious? 1865 01:53:22.680 --> 01:53:22.720 No? 1866 01:53:22.880 --> 01:53:27.880 No, seriously, seriously, I've been looking into Orthodoxy and to me, 1867 01:53:28.760 --> 01:53:33.000 the more I dug into it, it just seems like it's. 1868 01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:33.600 Like the same thing. 1869 01:53:34.520 --> 01:53:38.319 Okay, come on, dude, are you wasting my time with 1870 01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:41.279 this nonsense? So if you actually dug into it, there's 1871 01:53:41.279 --> 01:53:43.119 literally no way you could actually say that and be serious. 1872 01:53:43.159 --> 01:53:46.680 That's why you're giggling. Where were we just? 1873 01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:47.319 Uh? 1874 01:53:53.039 --> 01:54:06.239 Paul repeats this principle in Hebrews five, even in the 1875 01:54:06.319 --> 01:54:10.560 Old Testament. You can't just do these things on your 1876 01:54:10.600 --> 01:54:14.199 own authority. No man takes this honor to himself. But 1877 01:54:14.319 --> 01:54:17.800 who is called by God as Aaron was now all 1878 01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:21.079 every Protestant, every giver says, the Holy Spirit cold me 1879 01:54:21.319 --> 01:54:23.640 to go preach on the street because God said so. 1880 01:54:24.399 --> 01:54:27.479 Because the Holy Spirit said so, There's no way that 1881 01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:30.000 any of us knows that you actually have this calling 1882 01:54:30.199 --> 01:54:32.960 unless there is a body of people that say that 1883 01:54:33.079 --> 01:54:37.800 you are called to do that. That's why no one 1884 01:54:37.880 --> 01:54:40.720 takes this authority on to himself. That's why Jesus established 1885 01:54:41.119 --> 01:54:49.119 bishops authority. And outside of that it is chaos. Even 1886 01:54:49.159 --> 01:54:53.199 inside the church there's problems, but outside it's total insanity. 1887 01:54:53.920 --> 01:54:59.119 Laptop five dollars. What's good? First? Super chat is information 1888 01:54:59.319 --> 01:55:05.239 physical or on physical? I mean information itself in terms 1889 01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:10.319 of the concept that is conveyed obviously is non physical, 1890 01:55:11.119 --> 01:55:16.760 but the texts or the symbols that represent the concepts 1891 01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:21.359 are physical, so it's a both end fuck it button 1892 01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:28.159 five dollars. I'm by curious emotional democrat. Jay is not 1893 01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:31.359 something that was on my bingo card. Turns out we 1894 01:55:31.399 --> 01:55:38.279 all make mistakes. Murat Akbulut gifted fifty memberships. Wow, thank 1895 01:55:38.279 --> 01:55:42.000 you so much. Welcome all the new members. That's a hefty, 1896 01:55:43.119 --> 01:55:49.039 nice super chat there, I mean gifting fuck it button 1897 01:55:49.119 --> 01:55:52.079 five dollars. It is not Aliens. It is a clever 1898 01:55:52.359 --> 01:55:56.359 country that has a sketchy history. We were lied about. 1899 01:55:56.960 --> 01:56:00.319 We were lied to about that. There's a documentary called 1900 01:56:01.760 --> 01:56:03.119 or he's joking about the movie. 1901 01:56:04.399 --> 01:56:04.760 What is it? 1902 01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:10.560 Iron Iron Sky? He's joking. David James ten pounds. Did 1903 01:56:10.640 --> 01:56:13.319 you read Oriental Heritage by wil Durant? I have not 1904 01:56:13.439 --> 01:56:17.720 read that. The paragraph says a nation is born stoic 1905 01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:25.079 and it dies Epicurean is bone chilling, Okay. L Rodriguez 1906 01:56:25.119 --> 01:56:27.520 five dollars. I'll have to I've not read much Wilderrant, 1907 01:56:27.560 --> 01:56:29.640 but I thank you for that, David James, flood L 1908 01:56:29.720 --> 01:56:33.560 Rodriguez hoods. While most conspiracy theories are bunk, I would 1909 01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:36.680 still warn you about the too saw me coming your way. 1910 01:56:37.560 --> 01:56:40.520 From the mega planet exactly. There's a black dude that 1911 01:56:40.600 --> 01:56:45.159 can create megaplanets with his mind and also predict Whosammi's 1912 01:56:46.119 --> 01:56:52.880 broke twenty dollars Esoteric Bollywood, Yes, that's a I think 1913 01:56:52.920 --> 01:56:54.880 I actually made that joke like ten years ago. But 1914 01:56:55.399 --> 01:56:57.800 if you guys want to repeat the jokes from ten 1915 01:56:57.880 --> 01:56:59.960 years ago, you can and you can get esoter Collywood 1916 01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:05.479 in the shop at Jason Elysis Jade. Did you see Bogonia? 1917 01:57:05.920 --> 01:57:06.319 Do you like. 1918 01:57:07.880 --> 01:57:12.079 Your ghost movies? I didn't like the previous one with 1919 01:57:12.359 --> 01:57:15.359 Emma Stone. I thought Bogonia was great, and I was 1920 01:57:15.399 --> 01:57:20.000 thinking about actually doing analysis of it tonight. But so 1921 01:57:20.159 --> 01:57:23.359 actually I saw two movies recently, which this is rare 1922 01:57:23.479 --> 01:57:27.119 to actually see two new movies that are worth an analysis, 1923 01:57:28.199 --> 01:57:37.319 very rare. But Bogonia and Eden were both pretty good 1924 01:57:37.520 --> 01:57:39.159 in just in turn. I mean, I'm not saying that 1925 01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:41.520 I agree with everything in the movie or there's not 1926 01:57:41.640 --> 01:57:43.960 criticisms to be made. I'm just saying like they at 1927 01:57:44.039 --> 01:57:48.840 least had a message in symbolism, and and uh it 1928 01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:51.399 was a little bit of the feminist nonsense in Bogonia, 1929 01:57:51.399 --> 01:57:54.720 but it was still pretty funny. And uh, I knew 1930 01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:57.279 exactly what was gonna happen, we called it, but gobbagool 1931 01:57:57.359 --> 01:58:01.560 Tony gets some prosciudo and mozzarella. Jonathan Kelly five dollars. 1932 01:58:01.600 --> 01:58:07.680 I want your opinion. If America balkanizes, where do we 1933 01:58:08.039 --> 01:58:10.600 form the Orthodox Empire? I mean, I think we're a 1934 01:58:10.640 --> 01:58:14.600 long time away from I think you're joking, but yeah, 1935 01:58:14.600 --> 01:58:17.279 I mean, we're not going to build some political entity. 1936 01:58:19.199 --> 01:58:23.680 But the church does thrive under persecution. So we only 1937 01:58:23.720 --> 01:58:26.960 build the political stuff when the majority of the of 1938 01:58:27.039 --> 01:58:31.560 the population has become Orthodox. Okay, we don't. This is 1939 01:58:31.640 --> 01:58:36.359 the wrong headed idolatry of people that think that we'll 1940 01:58:36.399 --> 01:58:39.800 fix the politics of the country. Uh, and then we'll 1941 01:58:39.840 --> 01:58:44.640 do the religious stuff. I mean, the Roman Empire didn't 1942 01:58:44.680 --> 01:58:53.600 become Christian until a few centuries of martyrs. Violator, that 1943 01:58:53.680 --> 01:59:01.279 what's so funny? I mean, violator, you're going crazy with 1944 01:59:01.359 --> 01:59:02.279 your emojis. What's up? 1945 01:59:02.319 --> 01:59:02.560 I'm you? 1946 01:59:05.319 --> 01:59:05.560 Okay? 1947 01:59:05.640 --> 01:59:08.359 Were you doing the Protestant circle jerk stuff right now? 1948 01:59:08.439 --> 01:59:11.079 Or is it opening to anything? What do you mean. 1949 01:59:13.279 --> 01:59:15.680 You want to talk about or what are we talking about? 1950 01:59:15.680 --> 01:59:16.199 Whatever you want? 1951 01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:20.239 Okay, I want to accuse you of being a near 1952 01:59:20.319 --> 01:59:21.159 Eurasian cook. 1953 01:59:21.680 --> 01:59:27.039 Okay, how is that because the way you use Orthodoxy 1954 01:59:27.279 --> 01:59:29.920 is not really as a discovery of truth or anything 1955 01:59:29.960 --> 01:59:32.520 like that. It's more And it's funny because you just 1956 01:59:32.560 --> 01:59:36.880 said right now that you don't want a political thing, but. 1957 01:59:37.239 --> 01:59:40.920 Well that completely Wouldn't that mean that political movement? 1958 01:59:41.479 --> 01:59:42.119 What do you want? 1959 01:59:42.199 --> 01:59:46.560 Wouldn't that mean monarchy? Wouldn't that mean that My point 1960 01:59:46.840 --> 01:59:50.279 stands that it is about truth. If I'm not primarily 1961 01:59:50.319 --> 01:59:51.680 concerned with politics. 1962 01:59:52.439 --> 01:59:55.279 I don't believe so. I think you're just disingenuous. 1963 01:59:55.439 --> 01:59:57.720 Okay, about how what's what's the proof of that? 1964 01:59:59.760 --> 02:00:02.159 I say, mostly your the way you engage with the 1965 02:00:02.359 --> 02:00:03.079 with your face. 1966 02:00:03.359 --> 02:00:06.800 It's it's not really to the way you attack the Catholics, 1967 02:00:06.840 --> 02:00:07.840 the way you attack everything. 1968 02:00:09.039 --> 02:00:11.479 I attack everything? How do I attack every way? 1969 02:00:11.720 --> 02:00:15.560 The way you attack the Catholics is not really like, 1970 02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:16.560 it's not really. 1971 02:00:16.439 --> 02:00:22.079 Anything substantive outside of just your guy's biblical stuff. You 1972 02:00:22.359 --> 02:00:25.119 won't you won't engage with Nick Fuents anymore, You won't 1973 02:00:25.119 --> 02:00:26.239 engage with any of these people. 1974 02:00:26.560 --> 02:00:29.159 Well, none of that's true. First of all, I asked 1975 02:00:29.279 --> 02:00:33.640 multiple times for Nick to come and have a discussion, right, 1976 02:00:34.279 --> 02:00:34.880 but you guys. 1977 02:00:34.760 --> 02:00:38.520 Have had a discussion once before, and it was just 1978 02:00:38.640 --> 02:00:41.359 a bublical like it was boring. I'm not a bublical guy, 1979 02:00:41.399 --> 02:00:43.039 so it was boring. I'm more of a politics person. 1980 02:00:43.560 --> 02:00:46.520 Okay. So again that that proves though that if the 1981 02:00:46.600 --> 02:00:48.840 religion is about the biblical stuff, and that's mainly what 1982 02:00:48.880 --> 02:00:52.000 I'm concerned with, that refute your argument that I'm disingenuous. 1983 02:00:53.600 --> 02:00:54.319 I don't believe so. 1984 02:00:55.239 --> 02:00:58.279 I don't believe so because the biggest thing that you do, 1985 02:00:59.039 --> 02:01:02.359 but you're really really do is I've seen you you 1986 02:01:02.479 --> 02:01:04.279 dance around the Christian nationalist. 1987 02:01:03.920 --> 02:01:06.039 Thing, and the only thing that you've really really able. 1988 02:01:05.920 --> 02:01:08.279 Took a concrete stances would you wear on? 1989 02:01:08.640 --> 02:01:10.560 I think it was believe alex Is Jones so did 1990 02:01:10.600 --> 02:01:13.279 a whole hour about talking about Christian nationalism. 1991 02:01:13.880 --> 02:01:17.680 You do believe in that I believe in not within reach. 1992 02:01:18.640 --> 02:01:20.800 So you're you're like a You're like a you don't 1993 02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:23.239 even know my positions and you're just here to talk ship. 1994 02:01:23.479 --> 02:01:26.399 I would say, I would say that you are more. 1995 02:01:26.279 --> 02:01:29.039 Of like a communist who just realizes that there's no 1996 02:01:29.159 --> 02:01:30.159 way of achieving your. 1997 02:01:30.119 --> 02:01:31.159 Goal anytime soon. 1998 02:01:31.279 --> 02:01:35.560 A communists, how as a member how as a member 1999 02:01:35.680 --> 02:01:38.920 of ro Corps, as an Orthodox Christian monarchist, could I, 2000 02:01:39.079 --> 02:01:42.520 in any possible way be a communist? It makes makes 2001 02:01:42.600 --> 02:01:43.000 no sense. 2002 02:01:43.159 --> 02:01:45.520 I'm accusing you of being a communist that is aware 2003 02:01:45.960 --> 02:01:48.960 that their ideas are not achievable whatsoever within a modern 2004 02:01:49.000 --> 02:01:49.800 context right now. 2005 02:01:50.520 --> 02:01:51.840 You just said it to that guy earlier. 2006 02:01:53.159 --> 02:01:56.760 So then I am how could I be disingenuous if 2007 02:01:56.880 --> 02:01:58.560 I admit that we're not going to have a Christian 2008 02:01:58.600 --> 02:02:01.840 monarchy because you're no different. 2009 02:02:01.560 --> 02:02:03.960 Than the communists that says, oh yeah, you know, we 2010 02:02:04.079 --> 02:02:06.199 could at some point how the state dissolve and how 2011 02:02:06.199 --> 02:02:06.960 are a communist state? 2012 02:02:07.119 --> 02:02:09.760 But it's just not achievable right now. But you can 2013 02:02:09.800 --> 02:02:12.079 always talk about it, and that's what that's the whole point. 2014 02:02:12.239 --> 02:02:14.840 So this is, this is so low, IQ that because 2015 02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:17.640 I have a similar argument to a communist, I'm a communist. 2016 02:02:17.720 --> 02:02:19.119 No no, no, no, no, no, that is not what 2017 02:02:19.199 --> 02:02:19.439 I said. 2018 02:02:19.479 --> 02:02:20.199 That is not what I said. 2019 02:02:20.479 --> 02:02:26.319 I'm comparing the the disingenuous of both of your guys' stances. 2020 02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:29.439 Decingenuous, bro a bro hold on though, hold on, bro, 2021 02:02:30.039 --> 02:02:32.439 how does any of that prove I'm disingenuous? You don't 2022 02:02:32.439 --> 02:02:34.319 realize it's a very effeminate thing to come and debate 2023 02:02:34.319 --> 02:02:36.479 people's motives because you can never prove her disapproval. Man, 2024 02:02:36.560 --> 02:02:37.119 that is very cool. 2025 02:02:37.159 --> 02:02:38.199 You can call me a femine you want. 2026 02:02:38.239 --> 02:02:39.960 But you do with the argument, Okay, it's. 2027 02:02:39.840 --> 02:02:42.319 Not an argument, it's a it's an un it's an 2028 02:02:42.520 --> 02:02:43.520 undisputed You are. 2029 02:02:43.479 --> 02:02:45.560 No different, you are no different from them. 2030 02:02:46.039 --> 02:02:48.119 How can you debate motives? 2031 02:02:49.239 --> 02:02:51.479 Your politics will never be achievable. 2032 02:02:52.199 --> 02:02:53.039 That's the only reason. 2033 02:02:53.159 --> 02:02:57.119 Yeah, but I don't make politics number one, so what Yeah, 2034 02:02:57.199 --> 02:02:59.840 but I'm saying to you that is your position you hold, well, 2035 02:02:59.840 --> 02:03:03.600 you don't know nothing about nothing, bro, You do value monarchy? 2036 02:03:04.039 --> 02:03:05.039 So do you not? 2037 02:03:05.800 --> 02:03:08.159 But how does that make me like a comedy? It 2038 02:03:08.159 --> 02:03:09.119 doesn't make any sense. 2039 02:03:09.680 --> 02:03:11.840 It makes you like a comedy where you guys are 2040 02:03:11.960 --> 02:03:13.960 both disingenuous with your positions. 2041 02:03:14.720 --> 02:03:17.479 How is that you're too stupid to even understand that? 2042 02:03:17.600 --> 02:03:20.479 That makes that makes me? How could that make me 2043 02:03:20.640 --> 02:03:24.760 dis But how would that make me disingenuous? 2044 02:03:25.239 --> 02:03:27.760 Earlier that the whole entire country? 2045 02:03:28.000 --> 02:03:30.479 No, I didn't say that. I said that. I said 2046 02:03:30.520 --> 02:03:35.159 the majority. I said the majority, and I said it's 2047 02:03:35.199 --> 02:03:39.439 not in our lifetime? Why are you lying like a communists? 2048 02:03:39.439 --> 02:03:41.319 The communist thing. 2049 02:03:42.520 --> 02:03:44.960 The fact that someone sounds like a communist but as 2050 02:03:45.000 --> 02:03:47.199 a totally different position has nothing to do with that. 2051 02:03:48.760 --> 02:03:49.760 What do you not say this? 2052 02:03:50.000 --> 02:03:51.439 You're being racist, You're saying. 2053 02:03:54.079 --> 02:03:56.479 You're too dumb to even follow an argument. Man, you 2054 02:03:56.560 --> 02:04:00.319 can't even understand the distinction between sounding when. 2055 02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:01.840 You can't control the flow of the conversation. 2056 02:04:02.119 --> 02:04:05.800 If but nothing you're saying makes any sense or is 2057 02:04:05.840 --> 02:04:09.399 any any way convincing, and it actually proves it actually 2058 02:04:09.600 --> 02:04:14.199 listens communist, it actually you know, it actually shows that 2059 02:04:14.359 --> 02:04:17.600 I am genuine if I'm admitting that my position can't 2060 02:04:17.600 --> 02:04:20.520 be achieved in my lifetime and I don't put politics first? 2061 02:04:23.119 --> 02:04:28.600 Do you not understand that though, Dude, that someone says 2062 02:04:28.680 --> 02:04:31.840 an argument like someone else has nothing to do with 2063 02:04:31.960 --> 02:04:34.159 whether they have that position. That is so stupid. 2064 02:04:36.159 --> 02:04:40.840 I'm just making a comparison that you are both disingenuous hacks, multiple. 2065 02:04:40.640 --> 02:04:42.119 Like people like both anyone like that. 2066 02:04:42.279 --> 02:04:43.840 You are no different from those people. 2067 02:04:45.880 --> 02:04:48.479 And the fact that you just acknowledge that your political 2068 02:04:49.880 --> 02:04:52.399 movement could never be achieved with in your lifetime. 2069 02:04:52.000 --> 02:04:57.039 But you do, how would that make me disingenuous? How 2070 02:04:57.079 --> 02:05:01.920 would that make me disingenuous? All you're doing are you 2071 02:05:02.039 --> 02:05:04.479 demonically possessed? You're just shouting and you can't have a 2072 02:05:04.560 --> 02:05:09.640 rational conversation. Why are you acting? But why are you 2073 02:05:09.760 --> 02:05:14.439 so upset? It doesn't make any sense. I'm trying to 2074 02:05:14.520 --> 02:05:20.239 reason with you. Why are you so mad? You calling 2075 02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:22.399 me dipshit, all this stuff. I'm trying to reason with you. 2076 02:05:22.880 --> 02:05:24.680 And did you not make fun of my accident? 2077 02:05:25.399 --> 02:05:27.119 I make fun of everybody. It's part of the it's 2078 02:05:27.119 --> 02:05:32.119 part of the joke. I'm not upset, I'm trying to 2079 02:05:32.199 --> 02:05:34.399 reason with you. How does it make me disingenuine? 2080 02:05:36.399 --> 02:05:40.199 It makes you disingenuous because you want to say that 2081 02:05:40.279 --> 02:05:42.840 you don't have a political movement, but that is the goal. 2082 02:05:43.079 --> 02:05:44.560 You do, want to change people's minds. 2083 02:05:44.840 --> 02:05:45.079 You do. 2084 02:05:45.319 --> 02:05:48.199 That's not politics. I don't believe that religions. 2085 02:05:48.319 --> 02:05:51.359 No, it's not need majority of the country to be 2086 02:05:51.479 --> 02:05:53.399 Orthodoxy in order for you to push your politics. 2087 02:05:53.439 --> 02:05:55.800 Do you understand the difference? But do you understand the 2088 02:05:55.880 --> 02:05:58.840 difference between priorities priority? 2089 02:06:00.720 --> 02:06:00.800 Bro? 2090 02:06:01.680 --> 02:06:03.279 You need to accomplish that first. 2091 02:06:03.680 --> 02:06:06.520 No, you don't. I totally disagree with politics. 2092 02:06:06.600 --> 02:06:06.800 First. 2093 02:06:06.880 --> 02:06:10.319 I think that religion is more important than politics. So stop, 2094 02:06:10.880 --> 02:06:13.640 you're just all right, You're all right, You're done, You're done. 2095 02:06:13.760 --> 02:06:20.039 This is so stupid. Yeah, this is a low iq midwit. 2096 02:06:20.680 --> 02:06:24.319 You can't even talk to to explain that. I don't 2097 02:06:24.359 --> 02:06:29.039 believe that politics is first. I believe politics is lower 2098 02:06:29.159 --> 02:06:33.039 on the priority. I believe religion comes first. And none 2099 02:06:33.079 --> 02:06:35.640 of that would make me disingenuine. You might disagree with 2100 02:06:35.720 --> 02:06:39.399 my approach, but that has absolutely nothing to do with 2101 02:06:39.560 --> 02:06:46.680 being disingenuous. So it's like not even a coherent person. Kevin, 2102 02:06:46.720 --> 02:06:57.000 what's up? Kevin? What's up? 2103 02:06:57.720 --> 02:06:58.399 Hey? What's up? 2104 02:06:58.520 --> 02:07:05.600 Jay's I just want to come on and say, yeah, 2105 02:07:05.640 --> 02:07:06.600 that was crazy. 2106 02:07:06.960 --> 02:07:08.920 I used to think the same thing about you. That 2107 02:07:09.239 --> 02:07:12.079 was really I mean the broadest this, that, and the. 2108 02:07:12.159 --> 02:07:17.239 Other memberships why, I have no idea. So I mean, 2109 02:07:17.239 --> 02:07:19.600 if you're super chatting on dream Labs, you can super 2110 02:07:19.680 --> 02:07:26.199 chat alula ten dollars. Without you, I wouldn't have a chance. 2111 02:07:26.279 --> 02:07:28.199 This world is messed up. It's full of deceivers. At 2112 02:07:28.279 --> 02:07:30.399 least I have a chance. Well, thank you. I'm glad 2113 02:07:30.439 --> 02:07:34.960 to say that. At least it looks like we help 2114 02:07:35.039 --> 02:07:36.800 some people. So that's good. John, you want try again? 2115 02:07:45.600 --> 02:07:45.800 Hey? 2116 02:07:46.039 --> 02:07:46.479 Can you hear me? 2117 02:07:46.840 --> 02:07:47.000 Huh? 2118 02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:50.039 So I have a question about the Western right. 2119 02:07:50.319 --> 02:07:51.960 Uh do you think it would make it easier for 2120 02:07:52.079 --> 02:07:54.680 Protestants to convert to Orthodoxy or do you think it's 2121 02:07:54.720 --> 02:07:57.800 to the point where for the average American, the Western 2122 02:07:57.920 --> 02:07:59.920 Right and the Byzantine rights are both equal. 2123 02:08:02.239 --> 02:08:05.520 I don't think the Western right even really is worth it. 2124 02:08:05.760 --> 02:08:09.359 It just causes more problems. So no, people just need 2125 02:08:09.479 --> 02:08:13.319 to find a good Orthodox church and not worry about 2126 02:08:13.359 --> 02:08:20.840 Western right. Orthop. What's up? And I'm saying, like the 2127 02:08:21.600 --> 02:08:25.439 church and the priest matters more than what the right is? Like, 2128 02:08:26.720 --> 02:08:33.800 what's up? Orthop? When I'm mute? 2129 02:08:33.800 --> 02:08:34.079 What's up? 2130 02:08:34.800 --> 02:08:35.000 Hey? 2131 02:08:37.600 --> 02:08:42.960 I was wondering, I can't hear you, man? Can you 2132 02:08:43.199 --> 02:08:44.159 can you talk into the mic? 2133 02:08:45.399 --> 02:08:45.560 Yeah? 2134 02:08:46.000 --> 02:08:53.279 Better barely? What's up? Yeah? 2135 02:08:54.840 --> 02:08:57.079 I was wondering, what is the best way you would 2136 02:08:57.159 --> 02:09:02.600 make the argument between me and thisism and Diophistism. 2137 02:09:02.680 --> 02:09:05.680 I have a couple Oriental Orthodox friends. 2138 02:09:06.199 --> 02:09:08.640 Well, we're not doing that tonight. I appreciate. We're gonna 2139 02:09:08.680 --> 02:09:11.720 do the next stream in about a week or two 2140 02:09:13.239 --> 02:09:16.479 or tee me about what did KAY say? I think 2141 02:09:16.479 --> 02:09:19.279 we're gonna do the seventeenth So we're gonna do the 2142 02:09:19.359 --> 02:09:22.800 next installment of the Monophysite stuff, the seventeenth storm of 2143 02:09:22.840 --> 02:09:27.239 the Cat ten dollars. Vox Days said that the false 2144 02:09:27.359 --> 02:09:30.680 logic of Darwinian evolution is inspired by Adam Smith and 2145 02:09:30.760 --> 02:09:35.520 free trade economics where there's paris or protectionism. Do you 2146 02:09:35.560 --> 02:09:41.279 think that's true? Probably? Probably, I mean that seems to 2147 02:09:41.880 --> 02:09:44.000 vibe with some of the stuff that I've read. I 2148 02:09:44.079 --> 02:09:48.439 don't know how far I think social Darwinism is absolutely 2149 02:09:48.600 --> 02:09:52.600 tied to Laise Fair, you know, Adam Smith, survival of 2150 02:09:52.600 --> 02:09:55.359 the fittest and the market type stuff, So probably I 2151 02:09:55.399 --> 02:09:59.119 would agree with that. JB. Five dollars. Oh no, we 2152 02:09:59.199 --> 02:10:02.279 did that. Alula, Yo, my boy, thank you for what 2153 02:10:02.359 --> 02:10:02.479 you do. 2154 02:10:02.600 --> 02:10:02.960 I love you. 2155 02:10:03.119 --> 02:10:05.800 Thank you a Lula Storm the Captain dollars. Do you 2156 02:10:05.880 --> 02:10:11.239 like Dungeons Sith Synth? I don't know. I think I 2157 02:10:11.359 --> 02:10:16.079 played one clip of that one time. 2158 02:10:17.560 --> 02:10:17.960 Is it like. 2159 02:10:21.319 --> 02:10:25.319 This nostalgic Dungeons synth? Let's see what it sounds like. 2160 02:10:26.039 --> 02:10:26.359 M h. 2161 02:10:37.279 --> 02:10:39.560 Yeah, it's okay. I guess it reminds me. I feel 2162 02:10:39.560 --> 02:10:42.399 like I'm playing, you know, Final Fantasy or something, so sorry, 2163 02:10:42.760 --> 02:11:01.039 I might play in the background or something. Marco, what's up, man, Marco? 2164 02:11:01.119 --> 02:11:01.359 Am you? 2165 02:11:03.840 --> 02:11:04.880 Hey, good evening. 2166 02:11:05.680 --> 02:11:10.800 So as far as uh uh you know Darwinism, here's 2167 02:11:10.840 --> 02:11:14.520 what I'm gonna say about that, there is uh you know, 2168 02:11:14.920 --> 02:11:20.239 scientific proof that you know, illusion to a point it 2169 02:11:20.479 --> 02:11:24.680 is factual. But uh, you know we can also use 2170 02:11:25.800 --> 02:11:31.960 you know, Darwinism still and be Christians, you know, still 2171 02:11:32.039 --> 02:11:35.439 believe in Bible, you know, follow the. 2172 02:11:37.479 --> 02:11:37.680 Way. 2173 02:11:38.319 --> 02:11:43.319 Mm hmm Darvin, good old Darwin. Darvinism is where it's 2174 02:11:43.560 --> 02:11:56.520 thank you, Joshua. What's up Eddie Lifts? Where's the atheist at? 2175 02:11:56.560 --> 02:11:58.479 They're the best? You know, we had one and I 2176 02:11:58.560 --> 02:12:00.840 just didn't have the energy to do the whole thing 2177 02:12:00.920 --> 02:12:04.000 all over again. So if he had called in early on, maybe, 2178 02:12:04.079 --> 02:12:05.960 but we're three hours in. I just don't have the energy. 2179 02:12:06.039 --> 02:12:06.359 What's up? 2180 02:12:06.439 --> 02:12:10.439 Man? Hey Jay, how you doing. I just want to 2181 02:12:10.439 --> 02:12:11.560 take the chance to say hello. 2182 02:12:11.720 --> 02:12:14.079 And I first found you on Info Wars with Alex. 2183 02:12:14.199 --> 02:12:17.399 I like your work, man. You make me, make me 2184 02:12:17.520 --> 02:12:23.199 keep the mind open. And personally, I call myself a Christian. 2185 02:12:23.239 --> 02:12:25.760 I was raised in Christian family and community, but I 2186 02:12:25.840 --> 02:12:26.800 find myself. 2187 02:12:26.479 --> 02:12:29.479 Religiously homeless because I don't really. 2188 02:12:31.079 --> 02:12:31.439 I don't know. 2189 02:12:31.560 --> 02:12:33.680 I have a hard time being told with a think 2190 02:12:33.760 --> 02:12:35.840 and how to feel about stuff. What do you have 2191 02:12:35.960 --> 02:12:36.920 to say to someone like me? 2192 02:12:39.800 --> 02:12:42.359 Go visit orthodox church. Try it that way rather than 2193 02:12:43.079 --> 02:12:48.840 trying to do it intellectually. Gabriel, what's up. One of 2194 02:12:48.880 --> 02:12:50.159 the things we talked about at the beginning of the 2195 02:12:50.159 --> 02:12:55.960 stream tonight was the inadequacy of approaching everything intellectually, right. 2196 02:12:56.039 --> 02:12:58.680 That was kind of you know, when I was refuting 2197 02:12:58.760 --> 02:13:05.000 myself from my twenties, I approached everything purely intellectually and oh, 2198 02:13:05.079 --> 02:13:07.239 if I read all the books, I'll get it all 2199 02:13:07.279 --> 02:13:13.239 figured out. And uh that was a you know, an immature, idealistic, 2200 02:13:13.359 --> 02:13:15.359 young guy way to approach the world. And I was 2201 02:13:15.399 --> 02:13:23.039 wrong in that. What's up, Gabriel, Yeah, it's funny. 2202 02:13:25.640 --> 02:13:30.760 Scientifics they have so much I. 2203 02:13:30.760 --> 02:13:32.600 Can hear you, man, Can you speak up your your 2204 02:13:33.039 --> 02:13:34.479 mi barely? 2205 02:13:34.520 --> 02:13:37.800 What's what? Oh? Uh? 2206 02:13:38.800 --> 02:13:43.079 Just a quick comment on on the evolutionary guys and 2207 02:13:43.199 --> 02:13:46.000 the scientificists all the time. You know, it's like funny 2208 02:13:46.079 --> 02:13:50.119 that they think they sound super smarting uh huh, fact 2209 02:13:50.199 --> 02:13:50.720 and theory. 2210 02:13:51.239 --> 02:13:51.399 Right. 2211 02:13:52.720 --> 02:13:56.800 It would be great that they just said, Okay, I 2212 02:13:56.920 --> 02:13:57.600 don't know. 2213 02:13:59.039 --> 02:14:01.359 We can't hear you man, there's no there's no sound, 2214 02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:04.439 no audio, it's all cutting out. So try to call 2215 02:14:04.520 --> 02:14:06.560 back when you got a better signal. Because I was 2216 02:14:06.640 --> 02:14:08.880 I was liking where you were going with that. I 2217 02:14:09.039 --> 02:14:13.920 was smelling what you're what you're putting out Andrew saying 2218 02:14:14.319 --> 02:14:16.720 five dollars redeem. Zoomer says that he's going to do 2219 02:14:16.760 --> 02:14:19.960 a full Orthodox debunk this month. Uh oh uh oh, 2220 02:14:20.159 --> 02:14:24.439 I'm scared. I guess it's I guess we're done. We 2221 02:14:24.520 --> 02:14:27.319 got a twenty two year old. He's going to end 2222 02:14:27.600 --> 02:14:33.159 it all. It's over. Pack it up, orthos, it's over, 2223 02:14:34.039 --> 02:14:38.000 straight white male five dollars. What's with hispanic ripers? Are 2224 02:14:38.039 --> 02:14:42.560 they aware that Nick is white identitarian? I don't think 2225 02:14:42.640 --> 02:14:46.359 that guy was very coherent about anything, so what does 2226 02:14:46.399 --> 02:14:48.760 that tell you? He just wanted to call in and 2227 02:14:49.720 --> 02:14:52.279 yell and cuss at me. Devin five dollars, Thank you 2228 02:14:52.399 --> 02:15:00.720 so much, Jonathan. No, we did that. Bye, No, we 2229 02:15:00.760 --> 02:15:04.199 did that. Excuse me, Anonymous, one hundred dollars. Thank you 2230 02:15:04.279 --> 02:15:06.279 for all this free content. Well, thank you, Anonymous. I 2231 02:15:06.560 --> 02:15:08.760 meant to get to the part too of changing images 2232 02:15:08.800 --> 02:15:13.439 of man, and we had way too many Protestants today 2233 02:15:13.560 --> 02:15:16.439 just going crazy on Twitter, so I thought, actually we 2234 02:15:16.479 --> 02:15:20.000 would get more Protestants calling in. We only got two, 2235 02:15:21.159 --> 02:15:26.039 but of course they were They were definitely gems. So 2236 02:15:26.119 --> 02:15:29.359 if you missed tonight's protestants, go back and rewind and 2237 02:15:29.560 --> 02:15:34.000 listen to them. Because we had a Baptist who was 2238 02:15:34.079 --> 02:15:37.640 ready to debate all about the canon and Athanasious, but 2239 02:15:37.840 --> 02:15:42.359 didn't know anything about Athenacious or the Church of Alexandria 2240 02:15:42.960 --> 02:15:46.560 or what the canons of Nicea were. So that was comedic. 2241 02:15:46.680 --> 02:15:50.000 And then we had a self appointed street preacher prophet 2242 02:15:50.119 --> 02:15:54.960 man who also kind of had a meltdown. So we 2243 02:15:55.560 --> 02:15:59.800 had some excitement tonight. And if you're interested in perfect 2244 02:16:00.039 --> 02:16:02.920 exemplars of where the Protestant ethos ends up, you can 2245 02:16:03.039 --> 02:16:08.239 check those out. Jonathan, what's up? We do have church tomorrow, 2246 02:16:08.279 --> 02:16:11.039 as everybody knows, so I can't stay here all night. 2247 02:16:12.439 --> 02:16:14.880 Got to go to bed early because it's hard to 2248 02:16:14.920 --> 02:16:23.239 get up. Man, what's up, Jonathan, that's on your mind? 2249 02:16:24.720 --> 02:16:29.600 I'm a person, so probably the third one then, sure. 2250 02:16:30.920 --> 02:16:32.120 Yeah, what's up? What's on your mind? 2251 02:16:33.159 --> 02:16:33.600 Can you hear me? 2252 02:16:34.600 --> 02:16:34.799 Yes? 2253 02:16:35.040 --> 02:16:37.200 Can you hear me? Yeah? It's fine. 2254 02:16:38.120 --> 02:16:41.079 It's specifically so again, I've listened to you a little bit. 2255 02:16:41.959 --> 02:16:43.799 I'm talking about your old video, your videos when it 2256 02:16:43.840 --> 02:16:48.719 comes to our targets against well, no, it's the big 2257 02:16:48.840 --> 02:16:51.840 one that I kind of focused on to talk about 2258 02:16:52.040 --> 02:16:54.920 was about Norman of authority, because you say, I think 2259 02:16:54.920 --> 02:16:59.079 your position is that Christianism has a lack of normal authority. 2260 02:16:58.799 --> 02:17:02.719 When it comes to even like yeah, so for example, like, 2261 02:17:03.159 --> 02:17:05.719 are is anybody bound in their conscience to what the 2262 02:17:05.799 --> 02:17:07.319 Candona scripture is or is it open? 2263 02:17:09.360 --> 02:17:12.479 Would you would you take a like ecclesial tradition as 2264 02:17:12.719 --> 02:17:16.479 showing that it's supposed it's what our ecclesiology. 2265 02:17:17.319 --> 02:17:18.799 You're you're cutting out say that again. 2266 02:17:20.120 --> 02:17:21.280 Sorry, man, it's my it's my. 2267 02:17:21.479 --> 02:17:22.879 It's my it's my mic. 2268 02:17:23.559 --> 02:17:27.319 So would you would you accept like, uh, this an 2269 02:17:27.319 --> 02:17:29.079 ecclesiology specifically like. 2270 02:17:29.159 --> 02:17:34.120 When we have Protestant cand of door cand of Door 2271 02:17:34.239 --> 02:17:39.200 or like Westminster Baptist confessions. Well, I think the point 2272 02:17:39.319 --> 02:17:42.520 is that even though you do believe that there are 2273 02:17:42.600 --> 02:17:47.079 these authorities quote unquote, the Protestant tradition out of the 2274 02:17:47.159 --> 02:17:51.280 Reformation is premise partly on the idea that nobody can 2275 02:17:51.360 --> 02:17:55.120 bind another man's conscience. So that's I think the sticking point, 2276 02:17:55.159 --> 02:17:57.559 because you believe in the right of private interpretation too. 2277 02:17:59.639 --> 02:18:02.239 Yes, I think that that was in Westminster Baptist. 2278 02:18:02.520 --> 02:18:05.680 Right, So how can you do you think that? So 2279 02:18:05.799 --> 02:18:08.120 for example, let's let's take the Council of Nicea when 2280 02:18:08.159 --> 02:18:12.000 it excommunicates anybody who disagrees with Nicea. Clearly, they don't 2281 02:18:12.040 --> 02:18:15.920 believe that everybody has the right of private interpretation and 2282 02:18:15.959 --> 02:18:17.319 the freedom of conscience. 2283 02:18:18.559 --> 02:18:22.159 Just and that's kind of built on the principle of 2284 02:18:22.200 --> 02:18:25.360 the ability for the Church to be able to excommunicate. 2285 02:18:24.840 --> 02:18:26.000 And call see right. 2286 02:18:28.120 --> 02:18:32.479 Well, what I'm saying is that no, specifically, the idea 2287 02:18:32.559 --> 02:18:37.319 that you can bind people's consciences to an interpretation contradicts 2288 02:18:38.000 --> 02:18:41.040 the Protestant idea of the freedom of conscience and the 2289 02:18:41.120 --> 02:18:44.559 right of private interpretation. That's why that the normative authority 2290 02:18:44.639 --> 02:18:45.360 thing is a problem. 2291 02:18:46.280 --> 02:18:48.799 Got you, Okay, Now it's. 2292 02:18:48.639 --> 02:18:49.079 A little clear. 2293 02:18:49.239 --> 02:18:50.079 I don't have an answer to that. 2294 02:18:50.159 --> 02:18:52.120 I just wanted to give a better No. 2295 02:18:52.239 --> 02:18:54.719 I appreciate that. I'm happy to clarify. I am not 2296 02:18:54.959 --> 02:18:57.840 saying as many Roman Catholics do, which I think is 2297 02:18:57.840 --> 02:19:01.440 a bad argument. I am not saying that normative authority 2298 02:19:01.680 --> 02:19:05.879 grants individual epistemic certitude. I think when Roman Catholics make 2299 02:19:05.959 --> 02:19:08.000 that argument that, well, you can't know for sure without 2300 02:19:08.040 --> 02:19:11.760 the pope, and that's just moving the problem back and stepka. 2301 02:19:13.319 --> 02:19:14.159 I don't have anything else. 2302 02:19:14.000 --> 02:19:17.040 But thank you for sure, Yeah, anytime. Appreciate your goodwill 2303 02:19:17.200 --> 02:19:21.159 and civil discussion there so we can have the civil 2304 02:19:21.239 --> 02:19:25.760 discussions all day long. It's very simple. Actually, just don't 2305 02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:29.799 call and cuss and scream at me, like like the 2306 02:19:30.440 --> 02:19:34.799 hispanic dude and the self appointed street preacher prophet, and 2307 02:19:35.479 --> 02:19:39.000 we'll have a great discussion. See it's very simple. It's 2308 02:19:39.040 --> 02:19:45.719 not that hard. Lat No, we did that one. Let's see. Well, 2309 02:19:45.719 --> 02:19:48.440 Emmanuel five dollars. My childish mind wants to say that 2310 02:19:48.559 --> 02:19:52.159 you were wrong about anime because there are some worth watching. 2311 02:19:52.879 --> 02:19:53.000 Now. 2312 02:19:53.040 --> 02:19:55.680 I actually agreed that there were some worth watching because 2313 02:19:55.719 --> 02:20:01.559 I liked ghosts in the show. I liked, uh, what's 2314 02:20:02.159 --> 02:20:06.120 the you know, Mio Ayazaki movies. I enjoyed those. They're 2315 02:20:06.200 --> 02:20:10.600 kind of weird. I just forget about it, and I 2316 02:20:10.639 --> 02:20:14.520 don't think about getting around to watching a full Metal 2317 02:20:14.559 --> 02:20:20.120 Alchemists and Neon, even Jellium whatever. I will eventually watch those, 2318 02:20:21.360 --> 02:20:26.360 So I'm not like just the automatic anime hater. I mean, 2319 02:20:26.760 --> 02:20:31.479 anime was already underground getting popular in the nineties when 2320 02:20:31.520 --> 02:20:34.920 I was a teenager, so I was like seeing it 2321 02:20:35.079 --> 02:20:41.200 becoming popular. And my best friend, the one that passed away, 2322 02:20:41.239 --> 02:20:43.319 that was a comic book artist that died this year, 2323 02:20:44.760 --> 02:20:48.399 I mean, he liked he wasn't super obsession that so 2324 02:20:48.479 --> 02:20:53.200 many people have with weird parts of anime. That's the 2325 02:20:53.239 --> 02:20:57.200 weird part. But uh, there's nothing about the artistic style 2326 02:20:57.319 --> 02:20:59.159 itself that I don't like. 2327 02:20:59.479 --> 02:21:00.319 I like of it. 2328 02:21:04.159 --> 02:21:06.159 I also resent the fact that when I go in 2329 02:21:06.200 --> 02:21:11.159 a bookstore it's gigantic rows of shells of anime and 2330 02:21:11.319 --> 02:21:18.559 manga now and it's not books. So it's also kind 2331 02:21:18.600 --> 02:21:27.280 of like, how can I phrase this? It's a foreign 2332 02:21:27.479 --> 02:21:32.639 art form, which I can appreciate, and I don't dislike 2333 02:21:32.760 --> 02:21:39.520 foreign art forms, but I want Western civilization to also 2334 02:21:39.639 --> 02:21:43.559 preserve and have its native art forms. Does that make sense? 2335 02:21:44.399 --> 02:21:47.239 Oh so you hate jumping use people? See how stupid? No, 2336 02:21:47.280 --> 02:21:50.760 I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, why is everybody 2337 02:21:51.200 --> 02:21:54.239 you know, twenty five and under, thirty and under like 2338 02:21:55.079 --> 02:21:59.239 super into anime? And I don't mind it in the 2339 02:21:59.319 --> 02:22:03.559 sense like yeaheple can have diverse tastes and appreciation in 2340 02:22:03.680 --> 02:22:08.040 terms of art and all that, but it's sort of 2341 02:22:08.159 --> 02:22:12.559 like the hip hopification of everything, Like why is everybody 2342 02:22:12.799 --> 02:22:15.239 only like super obsessed with hip hop for the last 2343 02:22:15.280 --> 02:22:17.879 thirty years and then rap is you know, all that's 2344 02:22:17.920 --> 02:22:21.280 kind of dying out, but like it is black culture, 2345 02:22:21.399 --> 02:22:23.600 and I don't mind it. But it's like, are all 2346 02:22:23.639 --> 02:22:26.120 the white people supposed to be into black culture? Why 2347 02:22:26.159 --> 02:22:30.440 can't we just have people appreciating everybody's culture and having 2348 02:22:30.520 --> 02:22:37.840 your own native art and culture. MKG says Full Metal Alchemist. 2349 02:22:37.959 --> 02:22:41.920 Is it the symbol looks like the monarchical Trinity? Yeah, 2350 02:22:41.959 --> 02:22:47.200 I mean I'm absolutely open to watching some of these things, 2351 02:22:47.280 --> 02:22:50.680 decoding them and appreciating them. Like I said, I've always 2352 02:22:50.799 --> 02:22:53.399 liked Ghosts on the Shell. Remember when I first got 2353 02:22:53.440 --> 02:22:56.079 a CD ROM on a computer, like back in the 2354 02:22:56.159 --> 02:23:00.600 two thousands, my buddy who's the comic book artist, one 2355 02:23:00.639 --> 02:23:03.000 of the first CD ROMs that he burned off was 2356 02:23:03.040 --> 02:23:05.479 Ghosts in the show, So he burned that off for 2357 02:23:05.559 --> 02:23:07.040 me to watch on computer. I was like, this is 2358 02:23:07.079 --> 02:23:09.399 like the most nerdy shit ever. It's like people burning 2359 02:23:09.479 --> 02:23:17.920 off anime to watch on CD rems. Joshua, what's up, hey, Jay? 2360 02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:21.239 Since it came up, Thanks for a second shot here anime? 2361 02:23:21.840 --> 02:23:22.000 Right? 2362 02:23:22.280 --> 02:23:24.440 I would love to see you do a breakdown on 2363 02:23:24.559 --> 02:23:25.799 something like Blue Exorcist. 2364 02:23:26.280 --> 02:23:28.200 Have you ever heard of that familiar with No? 2365 02:23:28.319 --> 02:23:30.760 I mean people just people say all these animes and 2366 02:23:30.799 --> 02:23:32.360 I don't even I've never even heard of them. 2367 02:23:32.440 --> 02:23:36.440 So I got what is that Blue Exorcist with like 2368 02:23:37.680 --> 02:23:42.840 the Catholic Exorcism school and you know, a relationship between 2369 02:23:42.879 --> 02:23:44.000 demons and exorcists. 2370 02:23:44.040 --> 02:23:45.719 It's a pretty. 2371 02:23:45.479 --> 02:23:47.639 Interesting anime, and I think that'd be something you'd do 2372 02:23:47.719 --> 02:23:48.559 a great breakdown on. 2373 02:23:49.000 --> 02:23:52.159 Okay, I'll check, I'll take a look at some of these. 2374 02:23:52.319 --> 02:23:55.600 I just always forget to do it. But I actually 2375 02:23:56.200 --> 02:23:58.479 probably grow the channel a lot more if we covered 2376 02:23:58.479 --> 02:24:02.079 a lot of that stuff, because those things are probably 2377 02:24:02.159 --> 02:24:04.959 more popular than like the movies that we cover. 2378 02:24:05.040 --> 02:24:05.399 I don't know. 2379 02:24:08.600 --> 02:24:10.799 So see everybody's saying, when are you gonna do Neon 2380 02:24:10.879 --> 02:24:13.280 Genesis Evangelian. I mean people have actually been telling me 2381 02:24:13.360 --> 02:24:24.159 to do that for like ten years, so maybe I should. Gabriel, 2382 02:24:24.200 --> 02:24:25.920 did you want to try again? Is your mic better? 2383 02:24:36.600 --> 02:24:43.760 Are you there? I'm you, Julio Marida? Yeah, what's up? 2384 02:24:45.120 --> 02:24:46.559 Okay? Is it better than last time? 2385 02:24:48.239 --> 02:24:48.920 Yes? Much better? 2386 02:24:49.000 --> 02:24:51.079 Hi, I don't funny, thank you. 2387 02:24:52.799 --> 02:24:56.120 There's some very interesting themes an anime, and any man, 2388 02:24:57.520 --> 02:25:00.079 there's a lot of cultural trash there as well, and 2389 02:25:00.159 --> 02:25:01.159 I think a lot of like. 2390 02:25:03.120 --> 02:25:04.559 Foreign subversion. 2391 02:25:06.959 --> 02:25:10.920 But I would recommend, like no, I'm not gonna recommend 2392 02:25:10.920 --> 02:25:18.559 anything to do your own research. But the issue with 2393 02:25:18.799 --> 02:25:22.520 with ANIME, I think is the popularity that it has 2394 02:25:22.799 --> 02:25:23.920 is the decay. 2395 02:25:23.680 --> 02:25:25.760 Of Western media. 2396 02:25:25.879 --> 02:25:27.319 That's what I was trying to think is like people 2397 02:25:27.399 --> 02:25:31.799 are looking for aesthetics elsewhere, not that I blame them, 2398 02:25:32.879 --> 02:25:34.319 but I think we need to we need to recover 2399 02:25:34.399 --> 02:25:35.280 our own aesthetic. 2400 02:25:35.399 --> 02:25:38.520 Right, Yeah, it would be great because yeah, they do 2401 02:25:38.680 --> 02:25:43.159 have some like very it's it's very thoughtful, like even 2402 02:25:43.200 --> 02:25:43.440 in the. 2403 02:25:45.479 --> 02:25:48.920 As a comparison, it has deep it has depth as 2404 02:25:51.120 --> 02:25:52.520 and you don't really get as. 2405 02:25:52.479 --> 02:25:56.079 Much in today's Western media, like you do have great classics. 2406 02:25:56.360 --> 02:25:56.479 Oh. 2407 02:25:56.559 --> 02:25:59.440 But to to what I was going at earlier with 2408 02:26:00.319 --> 02:26:02.840 scientific evolutionary types is. 2409 02:26:02.879 --> 02:26:03.280 That they. 2410 02:26:04.879 --> 02:26:09.040 If anyone understood their own epistemology, they should admit that 2411 02:26:09.159 --> 02:26:12.120 they don't really know that their theories, and you know, 2412 02:26:12.159 --> 02:26:14.799 they always try to make this distinction for political reasons, 2413 02:26:14.879 --> 02:26:18.079 like a theory isn't actually just a hypothesis, because it isn't. 2414 02:26:18.079 --> 02:26:22.159 It's more than a hypothesis, but that the relationship with 2415 02:26:22.280 --> 02:26:25.719 the facts and the theory is a pite case. 2416 02:26:25.840 --> 02:26:29.360 It's a it's a paradigm, and it's it should. 2417 02:26:29.079 --> 02:26:31.399 Be as you know, in scientific rigor, it should be 2418 02:26:31.559 --> 02:26:35.840 subject to revision you know when better information comes up. 2419 02:26:35.920 --> 02:26:39.520 So nothing is set in stone, and like the facts 2420 02:26:39.719 --> 02:26:42.760 can build the theory. You're supposed to build a theory 2421 02:26:42.799 --> 02:26:45.520 with facts, but the theory isn't a fact, right. You 2422 02:26:45.600 --> 02:26:48.040 can't say, oh, the theory of evolution is act is 2423 02:26:48.079 --> 02:26:48.440 a fact. 2424 02:26:49.079 --> 02:26:52.879 That would be completely dishonest, makes no sense. 2425 02:26:53.639 --> 02:26:55.639 But it would be interesting if they could ever argue 2426 02:26:55.719 --> 02:26:57.719 from that point of view, like, oh, we we joined 2427 02:26:57.719 --> 02:27:01.719 all be very meticulous, we joined all these little pieces 2428 02:27:01.760 --> 02:27:04.639 of fact that's together and made this very like eloquent 2429 02:27:04.959 --> 02:27:08.200 and not really facts either. 2430 02:27:10.319 --> 02:27:14.840 I mean like they put facts into it. Similar like 2431 02:27:17.399 --> 02:27:20.680 they put facts into it, which is the replicability. But 2432 02:27:20.879 --> 02:27:24.319 the theory is what's like, what's a fact? 2433 02:27:25.959 --> 02:27:26.639 Well, like I. 2434 02:27:26.719 --> 02:27:30.680 Found a boat, that's a fact. Okay, what does the 2435 02:27:30.760 --> 02:27:31.319 bone mean? 2436 02:27:31.799 --> 02:27:32.399 Is the theory? 2437 02:27:34.120 --> 02:27:34.840 Now it's not. 2438 02:27:35.479 --> 02:27:40.799 So facts are actually propositions about the boat. The boat's 2439 02:27:40.840 --> 02:27:46.200 not the fact, and science facts are factual statements. 2440 02:27:45.600 --> 02:27:49.559 About observation, and any of those can be revised. 2441 02:27:51.239 --> 02:27:54.000 So that's one of the problems is Colosly we just 2442 02:27:54.079 --> 02:27:56.399 think like, oh, fact is something that's. 2443 02:27:56.280 --> 02:27:59.120 Kind of given, it's true, et cetera. 2444 02:27:59.760 --> 02:28:02.600 But nobody even knows philosophy of science, and it's like. 2445 02:28:02.879 --> 02:28:06.680 Facts are not out there in the world. 2446 02:28:06.959 --> 02:28:11.040 Facts are a property of prop propositions, and the facts 2447 02:28:11.079 --> 02:28:15.280 are about the world. And people think like, oh, that's 2448 02:28:15.319 --> 02:28:18.719 just kind of like a objective kind of givenness or something. 2449 02:28:18.719 --> 02:28:20.239 It's like any of those could be revised. 2450 02:28:20.399 --> 02:28:27.000 Yeah, I understand, I understand series probably Oh sorry, sorry, no, 2451 02:28:27.120 --> 02:28:31.879 go ahead, Oh that the epistemic proposition is not even 2452 02:28:32.399 --> 02:28:33.239 you know, fathomed. 2453 02:28:33.319 --> 02:28:33.879 They don't. 2454 02:28:34.680 --> 02:28:37.159 They don't go there like the they diss that as 2455 02:28:37.280 --> 02:28:40.639 a sort of armchair philosophy. But even in their own, 2456 02:28:41.200 --> 02:28:44.079 like I'm talking even from their own perspective what they 2457 02:28:44.200 --> 02:28:49.200 considered to be facts from their epistemic or lack thereof, 2458 02:28:50.879 --> 02:28:54.399 they still make that confusion between what they would consider 2459 02:28:54.559 --> 02:28:57.479 facts and you know what is clearly not a fact, 2460 02:28:57.520 --> 02:29:01.840 which is you know, the the arrative that they sort 2461 02:29:01.879 --> 02:29:05.479 of twirled between the the facults. That's why I called 2462 02:29:05.520 --> 02:29:10.000 it factlets, because it's it doesn't really have an epistemic structure. 2463 02:29:10.120 --> 02:29:12.879 But you know, even in their. 2464 02:29:14.280 --> 02:29:18.280 Cosmo vision of what effect is, they still make that confusion. 2465 02:29:18.319 --> 02:29:21.719 They don't they can't make that distinction between fact and theory. 2466 02:29:23.600 --> 02:29:28.920 You know why, Well, I guess it's political it's because power. 2467 02:29:29.159 --> 02:29:31.040 They're they're the high process. And I was going to 2468 02:29:31.079 --> 02:29:32.159 say because they're retarded, but. 2469 02:29:32.319 --> 02:29:35.799 Yeah, no, I think I think it's it's it's a 2470 02:29:35.879 --> 02:29:40.440 political posture. They gain influence, and it's what gives them 2471 02:29:40.479 --> 02:29:43.600 their grants. It's in the end, it is a doctrine 2472 02:29:44.239 --> 02:29:48.120 that they have to uphold and it gives them power 2473 02:29:48.280 --> 02:29:51.559 and grants, you know, and tenures and all that shit. 2474 02:29:51.840 --> 02:29:57.200 Yeah, right, yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you for chumming 2475 02:29:57.280 --> 02:29:59.639 in the FDA guys. 2476 02:29:59.680 --> 02:30:00.040 I want. 2477 02:30:01.559 --> 02:30:04.799 Note that the good news is that it seems like 2478 02:30:04.959 --> 02:30:11.600 since the Apple update, the infamous choppy audio issue is 2479 02:30:11.719 --> 02:30:15.079 finally hopefully solved, right, Like, we didn't have any of 2480 02:30:15.120 --> 02:30:17.399 that pretty much for most of the last stream in 2481 02:30:17.440 --> 02:30:20.719 this stream, so I think maybe, I mean, I don't 2482 02:30:20.719 --> 02:30:22.200 know what happened in the last couple of minutes, but 2483 02:30:23.239 --> 02:30:27.280 hopefully that issue is solved. I mean, you guys didn't 2484 02:30:27.280 --> 02:30:31.239 hear any choppy in the live stream yesterday or today 2485 02:30:31.319 --> 02:30:34.879 right anyway, But I think we're gonna have to call it. 2486 02:30:34.959 --> 02:30:36.520 And I thank you guys so much. A lot of fun. 2487 02:30:36.639 --> 02:30:39.360 Thank you FDA for popping in here, guys. Remember heading 2488 02:30:39.360 --> 02:30:42.959 over to chalk dot com thank you, welcome all the 2489 02:30:43.040 --> 02:30:46.799 new members. Zach says, I was raised Catholic, I'm now 2490 02:30:46.879 --> 02:30:51.840 the non denominational. I'm generally inquiring. My wife says that 2491 02:30:51.920 --> 02:30:56.200 she would never become Orthodox thoughts. I mean, you know, 2492 02:30:56.520 --> 02:30:58.760 love your wife and invite her to liturgy and once 2493 02:30:59.399 --> 02:31:02.239 once she find and sees that there's sane women and 2494 02:31:02.360 --> 02:31:06.840 you can have, you know, an actual relationship with saying people. 2495 02:31:07.600 --> 02:31:13.799 That's usually what's going to convert the ladies. So she 2496 02:31:13.959 --> 02:31:23.280 might have a change of heart. Making sure I didn't 2497 02:31:23.280 --> 02:31:26.040 miss any super shots Joshua three dollars. Is it easier 2498 02:31:26.040 --> 02:31:29.639 to convert Protestants or atheists? I don't know there's easier. 2499 02:31:29.680 --> 02:31:32.600 I mean, I think everybody kind of needs the same 2500 02:31:32.879 --> 02:31:38.360 grace pretty much, and people convert for different reasons, so 2501 02:31:38.479 --> 02:31:42.120 it's a good question. I don't know that either one's 2502 02:31:42.159 --> 02:31:51.920 necessarily easier. Did you see Zoomer historian got his channel nuked? 2503 02:31:53.280 --> 02:31:53.399 Now? 2504 02:31:53.479 --> 02:31:55.360 Is that the guy that talks about tiny mustache man 2505 02:31:55.399 --> 02:31:57.360 that was trying to see if he would wanted to 2506 02:31:57.360 --> 02:31:59.639 come and do a debate. No, I didn't know he 2507 02:32:00.159 --> 02:32:03.879 did that. Or this proves your point about you can't 2508 02:32:03.920 --> 02:32:07.799 talk about these topics and have a career. Yeah, I mean, 2509 02:32:08.120 --> 02:32:10.719 you know, you never know really what what's going to 2510 02:32:10.760 --> 02:32:12.600 get you nuked and what's not. That's kind of a name. 2511 02:32:13.280 --> 02:32:18.719 Rolocks j Are Calvicks an Orthodox at a standstill about infiltration. 2512 02:32:20.680 --> 02:32:26.399 I don't know what you mean infiltration. I mean, I 2513 02:32:26.520 --> 02:32:28.920 know what you mean, Like, I mean, what do you 2514 02:32:29.000 --> 02:32:33.360 mean by standstill? No, I don't. I don't think the 2515 02:32:33.440 --> 02:32:39.799 church is ultimately going to cave to to infiltration. I 2516 02:32:39.879 --> 02:32:42.239 think the Roman Catholic system, because the nature of its 2517 02:32:42.319 --> 02:32:46.799 system is already compromised and at a systemic level, contradicts. 2518 02:32:46.879 --> 02:32:51.879 But I don't think so, old timer. Can you give 2519 02:32:51.920 --> 02:32:54.360 me a book recommendation about the monarchy of the Father? 2520 02:32:56.079 --> 02:32:58.959 I mean doctor bo Branson's lectures. There's a there's a 2521 02:33:05.360 --> 02:33:13.639 playlist of doctor Branson. Let's see if I can find it. 2522 02:33:25.479 --> 02:33:27.159 And also I'm not sure that there is a book 2523 02:33:27.280 --> 02:33:29.520 on monarchy of the Trinity. I mean usually, you know, 2524 02:33:29.559 --> 02:33:32.639 if you read Orthodox theology in general, it's going to 2525 02:33:32.719 --> 02:33:35.879 come up because it's it's just classic, you know, Orthodox theology. 2526 02:33:36.000 --> 02:33:47.319 But if you look at this playlist right here, the 2527 02:33:47.399 --> 02:33:51.040 Monarchy of the Father, that's a good good source for that. 2528 02:33:56.440 --> 02:33:58.360 All right, guys, Remember to head over to talk dot 2529 02:33:58.399 --> 02:34:00.399 com use promo co j A Wiper zero get forty 2530 02:34:00.399 --> 02:34:03.920 percent off, and head on over to The Jay's Analysis 2531 02:34:03.959 --> 02:34:05.399 Shop and get your signed copies of it