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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Cringe.

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Speaker 2: The world famous podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm one of your hosts, Delia, and I'm here

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with my real tight homegirl and my daughter in law,

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the impeccable and the diminutive. Compared to my sasquatchy stature Beatri,

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never have I felt the Eric Stolets mask comparison as

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much as I do right now. I'm just gonna leave

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Eric Stolt's mask face on my face for the rest

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of this broadcast.

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Speaker 2: Got ya you are so little? How tall are you?

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I'm five four? What a little egg loot? My little babe.

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I come from small people.

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Speaker 1: I'm five nine, honey, Yes, she's statue usk. Yes, anyway,

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we're here to talk. Welcome to plaifew Hoody.

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Speaker 2: This episode it was crazy a good episode. It was good.

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I enjoyed it quite a lot. It was good.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to get into it. But before we do,

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we have to issue you a.

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Speaker 2: Please. Had you f you better put him in the

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bar closet. Put him in the barrack clast. We are

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in a reverend podcast.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we say stupid things. We are dumb people with

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low IQ and so if you're all the same for you,

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you might want to find yourself another dumpster.

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Speaker 2: Times we gotta tell you.

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Speaker 1: But if you're ready to sit down that little dollmouth

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having rat face asshole Zach and his beautiful wife Lydia,

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then welcome to this dumpster.

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Speaker 2: You could.

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Speaker 1: With that booty, Henny, you ain't ever seen a booty

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like your booty or my daughter's booty.

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Speaker 2: A tree and juicy, big, big and juicy jucy.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, if you are watching on YouTube, please do not

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forget to like and comment and share and subscribe.

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Speaker 2: And also hype your girl's HiPE bud. Come on, hype

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your girls.

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Speaker 1: We really need your kill a kid. Every single thing

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you do allegedly helps us in the shirtthole that we're in,

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and so thank you in.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so before we get started, of course, I have

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to ask you. I'm dying to know what's your takeaway.

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Speaker 3: Beatrice, Look, I kind of felt bad for Zach and

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Lydia because I do feel like they were ambushed in

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this episode. I feel like it was pretty lame of

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the family to frame it as we're.

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Speaker 2: Gonna talk about Joshua, We're gonna have no.

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Speaker 3: Family healing, but then when they get there, they're gonna

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be like, and actually, you guys are a bunch of

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judgmental assholes, and actually, Zach, we don't.

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Speaker 2: Really like you.

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Speaker 3: And actually, Lydia, what you said on the podcast was

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really lame. Yeah, that was pretty shitty. But did I

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named it?

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Speaker 2: Did I think that Zach deserved it a little bit? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: He was absolutely surprised, totally, and he would not have

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shown up if they had told him in advance because

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he's a.

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Speaker 3: Coward, honestly. And my takeaway remains from last week.

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Speaker 2: Zach sucks. He does suck. I don't like it.

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Speaker 1: I don't either. Now my takeaway is, Barry, where are you, honey?

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What planet are you on? I know you're out looking

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for Sasquatch, and I know you're into the Book of

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Enoch and everything, but we need to hear present with

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your family and when they're talking about the things that

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Zach has said, like, I need you to be a

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little bit more proactive. I was proud of him that

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he did defend Kim in terms of the process that

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she went through after the death of Joshua. I thought

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that was great and he didn't have to they're divorced

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and all that. But I'm just like, he's so absent

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as a father, passive as a patriarch, Like you really

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need to show up more.

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Speaker 3: Like why is Ethan having to fill the role of

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the family patriarch and the one that is outspoken for

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the sake of the family, Like it's Ethan plat nobody

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wants that chromagnum man to fill that father role.

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Speaker 2: But Barry's just sitting there.

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Speaker 1: He's checked out completely completely, and I wonder why or

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maybe he has been this entire time, which is one

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of the reasons Kim became such a tyrant. Yep, because

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he was absent. That's what I think, absent Plath daddy Yep. Well,

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without further ado, let's get into our recap of Welcome

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to plathfill season eight episode to the pots the pot.

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You know, I feel like Kim wants to stir that pot.

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So yeah, let's get into it well.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Kim, we resume her therapy session from last

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week at the beginning of this episode, and honestly, I

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still feel sad for her, Like the therapy episode or

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the therapy part of the episode was pretty emotional, Like

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I my take stays the same with that, Like I

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feel bad for Kim. She's a traumatized woman. But in

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this therapy session, the therapist, you know, tells Kim that

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everyone experienced the same loss, but they all experienced it differently,

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and so you're going to have to sit in the

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space of that, and you're going to have to hear

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everybody's truths and everybody's experiences, and then you can also

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talk about your own and that's how we move through grief.

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And I actually kind of liked the therapist in this episode.

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I know she's a total TLC plan to I like her,

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but I think she's pretty cool. Like she said something

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about grief that grief is internal, but mourning is external, yes,

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and in order to mourn, like that's how we move

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through the grief, And I'm like, Base.

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Speaker 2: I had never even thought of it that way.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's so true though. It's so true though, because

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we all grieve differently and everybody has a different way

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of showing that of moving through life like that. And

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you know it got to Kim too. You can tell

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because she is teary and she is emotional about it.

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And then at one point the therapist also told Kim

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that she needs to really sit with her play by

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play recollections of the day that everything happened, and the

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kids need to hear it too, And this got to

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Kim a bit, like she starts sobbing, and the therapist

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that is maybe you can tell the story of the

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day that it happened, like you're talking to Joshua. Maybe

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you talk to him through all of that. And this

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is where Kim really started sobbing, And like you can

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tell Joshua that you love him and you know, talk

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to him about it through the day, and like you

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can tell that Kim really hasn't dealt with the loss

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of this. And I know some of y'all in the

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comments they're gonna be like.

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Speaker 2: But Kim sucks, She's a bad person, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: Look, dude, hurt people hurt people, and sometimes the people

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that are the hardest to love, need to love the most.

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And Kim definitely is just coasting through life and has

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been coasting through life. And you can see that even

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though she's with.

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Speaker 1: Ken Palmer and she's got a drinking problem.

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Speaker 3: And you know, she blew up her family and stuff like,

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that's all connected to like the shit that she's experienced

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in her life. And so you can tell she hasn't

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dealt with shit, even though she says she's fine now,

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like the loss of Joshua still creeps up to her

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and still gets her to this day. And so I

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think overall, like it was a productive therapy session very much.

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Speaker 1: So I felt a lot of sympathy and compassion for Kim.

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I was kind of very struck when she was talking

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about the graphic stuff yeah, that she saw with Joshua, Yeah,

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which leads me to believe that some are all of

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her other kids probably also something saw something that was

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very graphic and how traumatizing obviously that would be, and

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how it's likely that she's got PTSD untreated and she's

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had it for all of these years yep. And so

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you can stand on your soapbox and you can talk

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about like all of the ways that Kim should have

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handled this, and maybe some of that is valid, but

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I honestly think that she did the best.

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Speaker 2: That she could.

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Speaker 1: And then when you couple that with being absolutely entrenched

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in a cult and believing, like in a certain kind

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of structure for your family and for your faith and

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all of this stuff, like it just all kind of

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dovetails into the person that Kim becomes and the mistakes

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that she also makes with her family and with her

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family's significant others, et cetera. So it's just like this

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complex situation, and I think that it's important for us

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as viewers to not like be super black and white

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about it.

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Speaker 2: Yep. We have obviously.

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Speaker 1: Criticized the fuck out of Kim, but I mean I

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can really sort of of zoom out and see this

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woman for who she is and have so much compassion

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for her. Now, that doesn't change the fact that I'm

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going to come for her a little bit when we

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sit down with Zach. Yep, because there was some manipulation

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that was happening there. But again, this is all to

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me a byproduct of this truly traumatic thing that she

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went through that most of us will never go through.

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Some of you, god forbid, might have lost a child

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or lost somebody really close to you in that way,

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like that is so terrorizing and awful, But like to

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have run at over yeah, your child, like that is

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just huge, Oh horrible, it is huge, and so like,

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I just feel like we need to be a little

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bit nuanced in how we are dealing with Kim.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've been seeing a lot of comments about

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people being like, well, but Kim should have done this,

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and Kim.

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Speaker 2: Should have done that.

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Speaker 3: Right, easy for you to say, exactly, It's so easy

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for us on the outside to say what someone should

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and shouldn't have done. But ultimately, at the end of

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the day, we didn't run over a kid. We didn't

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have to experience such a horrific loss and then be

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in a family that experienced such a horrific.

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Speaker 1: Loss while she was pregnant, wow, with Amber pregnant. And

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so I know, let's just sidebar for a second. I

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know you sent me I guess a TikTok of Olivia

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talking about.

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Speaker 2: Kim and her lies.

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Speaker 1: I didn't watch it. It's not because I don't think

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Kim hasn't lied. It's not because I hate Olivia.

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Speaker 2: I don't, I never have.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like it's not I don't want to

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see that right now while we're dealing with all of

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this other stuff with Kim.

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Speaker 2: I just want to.

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Speaker 1: See Olivia shredding her to pieces again and still like

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it's just not helpful in any way.

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Speaker 2: And so I didn't watch what you sent me. I'm

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sorry I didn't either.

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Speaker 3: I only sent it in the purpose of, like, maybe

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we can react to it in the future, because Olivia

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is in the zeitgeist of talking about it, and she

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is coming out in poor taste. Honestly, I know some

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of you Olivia's dancer. Yeah she's great, blah blah blah blah, you're.

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Speaker 2: Just besuded as blah blah.

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Speaker 3: No, dude, Like she's coming out and reacting to Kim

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and talking about how horrible of a person she is,

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how much of a liar she is in the wake

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of Kim talking about this horrific traumatic event of losing.

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Speaker 1: But we haven't watched it, so maybe she acknowledges some

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of that stuff, Like I don't know, maybe she does.

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I want to give her the benefit of the doubt,

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and maybe we can watch it for Patreon.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't watch it.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to focus on what we were given

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in terms of content, and I just don't want to

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hear a bunch of Kim bashing this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little much when we're talking about something

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as sensitive as this, And like, again, you guys can

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hate Kim for all you want, and she is not

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free of any kind of criticism. We've definitely disised her

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a lot. But in the context of this, when she's

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literally crying on a therapist scouch, maybe we can.

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Speaker 2: Chill out a little bit, all right, yep.

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Speaker 3: So we end the therapy session where Kim is like,

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you know, this was supposed to be cathartic. It should

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feel cathartic, but right now I'm a bit overwhelmed. And

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that's fair and valid because talking about trauma often makes

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us relive the trauma again and that can be really overwhelming,

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especially in a therapeutic environment. But all that being said,

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Kim goes out to her car and immediately calls Lydia.

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framed like it's a good thing, right, Like she's gonna

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call Lydia and be like, hey, I'm ready to talk

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about Joshua.

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Speaker 2: And this takes.

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Speaker 3: Lydia aback, Like she's at work getting this call from

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her mom and she's like whoa, okay, like that sounds great,

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and knowing how the episode goes, it's.

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Speaker 2: Kind of fucked up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of fucked up that we're using this

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whole like tragedy of Joshua and also Lydia and Zach's

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first year anniversary. I'm like, our wedding was such a

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debacle girl to like lure them over to have this

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what celebration and intimate conversation, but like, what you really

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want to talk about, though, is how you did me dirty.

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Speaker 3: How you did me dirty, and how you did the

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family dirty. Also going to have an intervention because we're

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pissed off it you.

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Speaker 1: Guys well, and she even says like I have some boundaries. Yep,

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Kim says, I have some boundaries about what Lydia can

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talk about. She doesn't say it as overtly as that,

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but that's her boundary. Her boundary is around controlling how

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Lydia speaks about her own experience in this.

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Speaker 2: Family, specifically publicly.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, that's not how boundaries rule boundaries are about your

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behavior nobody else's behavior. Now, if somebody is acting in

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a certain way and you don't like it, you can

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remove yourself or whatever. But like you can't tell Lydia

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what she can say and what she can do. We'll

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talk about it when we get.

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Speaker 2: There, we will.

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Speaker 3: And so then we move on to the bulk of

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the episode, which is like leading up to this one

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year celebration of Zach and Lydia's wedding, but also a

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whole entire family intervention.

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Speaker 2: And we have.

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Speaker 3: Teagan writing in Ethan's old man car, why are you

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here on the way to this end?

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Speaker 2: What actually doing? So? Why are you showing up? Teak In?

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Speaker 3: And like she's wearying I'm not commenting on like her

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her outfit in like a negative way, but she's like

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wearing like a really cute sexy little dress with her

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cleavage out and stuff. And she's like going in Ethan's

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car with him on the way to visit his family,

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and I'm just like, why are you here if you

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have no intention of getting back together with Ethan?

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Speaker 1: Well, and if you check out Ethan's demeanor, he seems lighter,

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he seems happier, and I don't think it's just because

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she's there, because in Montana she was there, but he

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was not happy. He was very glum. So I'm just

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wondering to mathall whether something has happened, whether they have banged.

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Speaker 2: I kind of wonder.

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Speaker 1: Whether something's gone down to make Ethan feel a little

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more comfortable to bring Toagan.

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Speaker 3: I kind of wonder if they did bang, because they

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are spending some time together, and even Tegan says like

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our friendship has improved since the last time we checked

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in with them, like after Christmas or whatever, and she's

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been to his house and all this stuff. So I'm like, Okay,

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maybe y'all are hooking up still, like maybe there's some

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physical chemistry, and it.

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Speaker 1: Feels like it kind of feels like it a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It just seems really weird to me, And I'm like,

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if you guys don't know, Teagan has been posting pictures

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on Instagram now in the Year of our Lower twenty

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twenty six with her new boyfriend who is not Ethan Plath.

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So it's just interesting to me that we're watching this

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and it's like, you guys don't end up back together

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like what happened. Maybe they had like a little trial

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run or something, and they realized it wasn't gonna work out.

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I don't know, but they're on the way to the

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Plath family farm, and Teagan's like, I was here for

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Zach and Lydia's wedding celebration. First of all, why do

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you need to be there? Okay, whatever, But Ethan briefed

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her on the way there, basically saying, well, actually, it's

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not just a celebration. We're also gonna confront Zach and

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Lydia for being judgmental as fuck and for talking about Joshua.

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Speaker 2: And then on the.

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Speaker 3: Car ride there we hear a little bit more, which

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was wild.

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Speaker 2: I got this is juicy. I was a little shure.

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Speaker 3: So Ethan tells Teagan that Zach has been talking shit

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basically and talking about Teagan, and Tecan's like.

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Speaker 2: Well, what did he say? What does this little boy say?

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Speaker 3: And Ethan says that Zach was saying that Teagan was

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not right for him and that her daughter was just

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extra baggage, which is so fucked up to say. And

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he also had problems with Teagan's sexuality and basically implied

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to Ethan that her sexuality was like not godly or

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whatever or that she wasn't a good Christian woman or

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a good enough Christian woman for Ethan, And so Ethan

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tells Teagan this, and Hegan's like, Wow, that's fucking rich

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coming from this guy who you know had a horrible

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like issue with Ethan confronting him at the wedding about

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his sexuality, like why are you commenting on mine? And

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Teacan's like, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Judge you guys, Like I didn't judge you guys for

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virgins and for not kissing until you got married, Like

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I didn't care at all, So like, why are you

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judging me? And I was wondering what Zach was reverencing

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with her sexuality, because I don't think Tagan's like elgibetic.

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I don't think she's by, but maybe it's just because

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she's like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it leads us to guess because I don't

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think they've ever addressed it, so we would guess maybe

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she's by or pen or something like that.

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Speaker 2: But I kind of loved.

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Speaker 1: That she didn't clarify, no, she doesn't know that to us.

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She doesn't owe any explanation to somebody like Zach. It's

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who she is, and she didn't say anything.

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Speaker 3: I actually was wondering if, like Zach was implying that

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she was like promiscuous or that she was like like.

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Speaker 2: The onlyfan stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I wonder if it was something about that

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or like about the way that she dresses, because she's

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got a bang in bod and she doesn't like shy

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away from showing.

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Speaker 1: But is that your sexuality.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's your sexuality, but like I don't

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know either, And Zach wouldn't know because he's a virtus virgin.

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He has no worldly experience and he's just a loud dollmouth,

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big old dollmouth exactly.

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Speaker 2: I can't stand his so stupid.

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Speaker 3: Oh, and Ethan also told Teagan that Zach thinks that

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Teagan was using Ethan for his money.

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Speaker 2: Which is really stupid too.

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Speaker 3: And so Teagan, why, I mean, I don't think she

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was using him for his money at all?

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Speaker 2: Why what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Well, why don't you think so? Because we don't really

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have the details of that. And Ethan did admit that.

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Speaker 3: He paid a lot, but also we heard from Teagan

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like what two episodes ago in Montana where she was

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like I paid for a lot of stuff, like I

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traveled yeah to him, So I don't think she was using,

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but I'm just wondering if there's something there that we

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don't know. Maybe, I mean, maybe Ethan was offering to

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like support her and her daughter or something, and Zach

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took that as like, you know, Teagan's taking advantage of him,

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because Zach obviously is judging the fuck out of everybody

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and making assumptions about everyone that are true or not.

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So I don't know. Teagan was obviously mad, mainly about

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the fact that he was talking about her.

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Speaker 1: Because like, if you want to guarantee a punch in

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the face with brass knuckles from Delia for real, raccoon,

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that's how you do it. You talk about my kid,

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don't talk about my fucking don't don't even mention my child.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, out of your dull mouth or real or a

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fight were rappin, Like who are you? God got me heated?

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Speaker 3: Tiagan is very composed when she's talking about this, like

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she's not getting as angry as we are, but you

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can tell she's angry, and she says something to the

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effect of, like, you know, Zach seems to be very

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concerned about like parenting styles and telling people.

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Speaker 2: What to do with their kids.

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Speaker 3: And you know, when he has kids, he can do

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whatever he wants and he can raise his kids however

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he wants. But like, don't be talking about my kid

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and the way I parents taste, Like, leave my name

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out of your mouth. And Tacan also clarifies to the

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camera that Zach has been this way since the very beginning,

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even before him on Lydia got married. So he was

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making these criticisms.

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Speaker 2: When he was a boyfriend, how the fuck.

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Speaker 1: And when when he was living in Barry's at it

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in Isaac's old room and around talking about Teagan. That's

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crazy to me.

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Speaker 3: Could you imagine, No, when you first met me fresh off,

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fresh off the boat. Yeah, and I'm dating your daughter

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and I'm coming into your house and be like, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Like the way you do things that would have been

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so cute, that would have been really fun.

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Speaker 2: That's only as you guys like me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like if I was judgmental, Yeah, no, absolutely not. No,

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that's crazy to me. I just don't understand where Zach

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thinks that he has the right. And so then we

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bop on over to the farm. We have Kim and Ken,

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you know, preparing and setting things up and decorating, And

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this is where Kim says that the camera, you know,

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Lydia told me that the night before her wedding was

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the worst night of her life and that made me

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hurt for her. And so on the one year anniversary

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of their wedding, I wanted to put together a celebration again.

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Speaker 2: She's like, but I want to put together a celebration

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and make it a happy day.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, Anne also ambush them an intervention

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with an intervention. That's crazy, that's diabolical.

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Speaker 1: So do we think she's being punitive? Do we think

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she's doing this on purpose?

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Speaker 2: I kind of think that's.

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Speaker 1: Sart Lydia, because she takes pains through this episode and

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other episodes to talk about how she wants to be

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there for Lydia and how she cares about Lydia. But

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it kind of feels to me like she's trying to

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punish Lydia. It kind of podcast.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it's either a punishment for the podcast

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or from the earlier part of this season where Zach

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and Lydia confronted the family on camera and had an intervention.

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Because I remember Kim being shocked by that like discussion

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and being shocked that they were upset with her.

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Speaker 2: So it does feel punitive to me.

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Speaker 3: What it is in response to I don't know, but

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like we can only speculate we're probably will be correct.

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I felt like that was really fucked up, and it's

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fucked up to like go to great pains to say,

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I want to make this a great day for her

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because her wedding night was so terrible, but then you're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Make this one year anniversary awful.

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Speaker 3: Like I feel bad even though I'm gonna criticize the

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fuck out of Zach in this episode, I'm like, this

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kind of sucks. Yeah, kind of sucks for them, and

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it sucks for Lydia mainly.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering what the intention is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so Kim also in this segment, is you know,

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posing the question of like whether or not it's hypocritical

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to criticize Zach and Lydia for being judgmental Christians because

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this is on the foundation that her and Barry laid

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for all of their children, and she knows that she's

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aware of that. So I did appreciate that Kim brought

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that up, because at least she's self aware enough to

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realize like, yeah, I raised her to be this way,

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but is it hypocritical? Yes, but I'm gonna do it anyway.

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Speaker 1: Well, she's like, the difference is I was parenting my

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children versus you're trying to tell grown adults how to

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live their lives. And that's the thing, and that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing, and that is based Like Zach and Lydia,

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00:23:09,839 --> 00:23:11,519
you guys don't know shit about shit.

473
00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking to adults here, and when you have

474
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,640
your own kids, raise them the way that you want to,

475
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:19,440
just like Barry and I raised our kids the way

476
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,519
that we wanted to, Like every parent in America brings

477
00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:24,799
up their kids according to their values. But like, you

478
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:28,119
don't have any place or position to criticize what we're

479
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,440
doing because you aren't a parent.

480
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: No.

481
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're talking to adults and you're telling Mariah

482
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,359
how to live her life.

483
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: That was juicy.

484
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,039
Speaker 3: And so after we have that little segment, then we

485
00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:42,160
have Isaac pulling on up with the bench that he

486
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,440
answered he's a real man man. He grabs the bench

487
00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:47,920
out of the truck with one hand.

488
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 1: Strong.

489
00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:52,319
Speaker 2: He's a strong man. He's a strong man. It's a

490
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,599
farm boy. He has a farm boy.

491
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: And he and the purpose of the bench, we learn

492
00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:00,759
is not for not for him to sit on.

493
00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: What are you implying? Nothing?

494
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,039
Speaker 3: And it's reinforced and you know, stop it stop anyway,

495
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:11,960
It's not for Kim to sit on. It's actually going

496
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,319
to be a memoriam of Joshua, which is very sweet.

497
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,759
Everybody in the family that was there that day is

498
00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:19,880
going to like etch something with wood burning tools or whatever,

499
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:24,640
like their names or something to commemorate Josha Joshua's memory,

500
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,240
which is very sweet. I'm still wondering why we're doing

501
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:31,359
this on the one year anniversary of Lydia's wedding, but whatever.

502
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,200
And then we pad on over to inside the farmhouse

503
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,599
where we have weird, creepy, one eyed racist skin braiding

504
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,160
Mercy's hair, but he like doesn't know how to braid

505
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:43,920
and so we just like tying it and knots in

506
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:44,400
the back.

507
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: Why were you touching this young girl.

508
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: Out? Girls who are molested, statistically are most likely to

509
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,400
be molested by a man that the wife or the

510
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,720
mom excuse me, introduces into the home.

511
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just like, I'm just stir it's weird.

512
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean, even if you have a great relationship and

513
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,720
you're like an awesome step dad, Like I still don't

514
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,799
want to see this though.

515
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,599
Speaker 3: I think it's weird. I thought the whole scene was

516
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,480
very bizarre, and like he says something about how Kim

517
00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:15,119
is very torn up still because of Joshua and so

518
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:17,799
this will be a really good thing for her, and

519
00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:19,680
I'm like, okay, shut up, dude, O way, we do

520
00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:22,559
not need your commentary and I don't want to hear.

521
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: You talk out of her like at all.

522
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,519
Speaker 3: And so then Teagan and Ethan arrive at the farmhouse

523
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:31,680
and immediately Kim wants to talk to Tegan privately, and

524
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,599
Teagan's like, am I being sent to the principal's office?

525
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,720
Like am I in trouble? Like what's going on here?

526
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,960
And Kim just wants to basically brief Teagan and be

527
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:43,359
like I just want to make sure you're not gonna

528
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,640
be uncomfortable because your name's gonna be gonna come up

529
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,400
in this intervention and we're gonna be talking about you

530
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,680
and what Zack said about you. And Tacan's like, no,

531
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,920
I'm fine, like I don't want to cause any issues,

532
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,480
like we're Gucci.

533
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: And she's like okay, gives a hug. I thought it

534
00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,720
was a great conversation.

535
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: I think Kim was trying to prepare to again, yeah,

536
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,960
for something that might be said, and she was trying

537
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,720
to take care of it. What.

538
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:10,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're ambushing Lydia and Zach though, Like it's crazy.

539
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,160
Everybody in the family knows what we're gonna be talking

540
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,720
about here, except for Lydia, Zach and apparently Barry. That's

541
00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:20,200
crazy to me, And so everybody goes outside to sit

542
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,119
down and have this chat. Barry arrives late, and we

543
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,440
have Mariah who comes outside just to basically say hi

544
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:31,480
and then is like, Bye, I'm gonna go bake a

545
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:32,240
cake with Amber.

546
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?

547
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,559
Speaker 3: Look, I can kind of understand it as somebody who

548
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,240
is a little bit of an avoidant person, like, especially

549
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,640
with family conflict like that, I'd be like, I'm gonna.

550
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,279
Speaker 2: Go in the kitchen.

551
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: I don't want to be here, I don't want to

552
00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:50,759
listen to it. And so she's just taking a convenient excuse.

553
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:54,119
I know some people are being really really critical of Mariah, like, oh,

554
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,799
she's avoiding conflict again.

555
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, that's what they all do. And also

556
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,720
she has every right to do that in my opinion. Yeah,

557
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:05,519
she is a part of a very dysfunctional family. She's

558
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:09,160
probably been a part of many dysfunctional family meetings. Yep,

559
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,599
she knows where this is going. She brought none of

560
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:13,680
this upon herself, and she can opt out if she

561
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,240
wants to. And you know what, Ethan is perfectly capable

562
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,079
of handling this on her behalf one percent.

563
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: And she knows that they're probably going to bring her up,

564
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,480
and she just doesn't want to deal with the conflict,

565
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:27,240
which I can understand and respect. And we hear from her, actually,

566
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:29,880
while she's in the kitchen talking with Amber, we hear

567
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,039
from both of them more about the conflicts that happened

568
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,279
in Montana when Zach and Lydia were there. Mariah does

569
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,039
confirm that both Zach and Lydia sat her down to

570
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:42,279
tell her that the choices that she was making and

571
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:44,319
the way that she was living her life were not

572
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,680
godly enough. They talked about her drinking and the alcohol,

573
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:51,160
and Amber also corroborates that and says that Zach and

574
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,920
Lydia said to Mariah she can't even have liquor in

575
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,799
the house because Amber was there, and Amber's a minor

576
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:01,519
and it got to a point where I think Amber

577
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:03,559
was told about all of this because Mariah had this

578
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,960
conversation privately with Zach and Lydia, and here comes based

579
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,599
Amber and Amber. We love Amber, she's got the fire

580
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,920
in her. So when they're on the way to the airport,

581
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,440
I think to drop Lydia and Zack off, Amber straight

582
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,279
up confronts them and is like, yeah, so I heard

583
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:24,000
you were talking shit. And Amber basically tells Zach, you know,

584
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:26,839
it's not your place to say anything, like it's one

585
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,440
thing if Lydia wants to talk to us siblings about something,

586
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,359
because you know, she's our older sister, we get that,

587
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,640
but you don't really have a place to dictate what

588
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,039
we do in our life. And you don't need to

589
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,000
tell Mariah what she needs to be doing to live

590
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,519
a godly life. And Zach, according to Amber, straight up

591
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,160
was arguing with her and saying, actually.

592
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: No, it is my place.

593
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: Actually I do have a right to be a judgmental asshole.

594
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:56,920
And so on this car ride to the airport, it

595
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:02,160
sounds like Amber and Zach were arguing constantly. Lydia was crying,

596
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:03,240
and Lydia was crying.

597
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: It was happening ridiculous.

598
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: And then they couldn't even come to an agreement, so

599
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,319
they just agreed to disagree. So now we know Zach

600
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,440
is being judgmental, and Zach is telling people in the

601
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,240
family what to do. I've been seeing people online being.

602
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: Like, well, we don't know if that's true. We don't.

603
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: No, now we have multiple people now saying that this

604
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:25,640
is what he's doing, and that he has been doing

605
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,839
it since the beginning, before he was even married to

606
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:29,759
the family.

607
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: And so I just want to say an offer for

608
00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:35,599
the court that yes, he's being blindsided right now in

609
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,519
this conversation, but is he because Amber has already confronted him,

610
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:44,400
He's already been told directly that he should not be

611
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,960
doing that. And Lydia also had a conversation with Kim

612
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,759
in the car where Kim brought it up and said, Hey,

613
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,759
everybody doesn't feel good about what your husband is doing,

614
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,720
and now we're all going to get together for the

615
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:55,119
first time.

616
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,599
Speaker 2: You don't think that's going to come up, Zach?

617
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you can't expect to to do this

618
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:02,680
and to act this way, to not have somebody talk

619
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,440
to you about it. My whole thing is they should

620
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,920
have been upfront about what the purpose of this. They

621
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,400
would not have come, then then fine, then you can

622
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,640
be isolated from the family. If you don't want to

623
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,880
talk to us because we're bringing these concerns to you,

624
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,920
peace out. But at least they were honest about it.

625
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,759
That's my whole thing.

626
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:24,119
Speaker 1: Well, when you have like an intervention for an addict, well, yeah, true,

627
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,880
you don't tell them that people are assembled to talk

628
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,640
to them about their bad, dysfunctional, addictive behavior. You invite

629
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,640
them to something and then everybody's there and then you

630
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,359
confront them.

631
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,119
Speaker 2: Now, Zach is not an ad they're not drug addics.

632
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:37,440
It's not an addict.

633
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: But this is kind of one of the ways that

634
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,599
you would get them into the room so that they

635
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:43,519
can hear what you have to say. I give so

636
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:48,079
fuck him, Yeah, he suck him. The confidence, the unearned

637
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,200
confidence of a mediocre man gets me every time. Who

638
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:54,759
do you think you are a young man? What are you?

639
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,839
Twenty years old with your doll mouth and your rat

640
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,920
face and you're having sex the first time in your

641
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,680
life and you want to talk to people about what

642
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,920
they can watch in their homes.

643
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: I just hate people like that.

644
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: I hate him so much.

645
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,319
Speaker 3: Well, it's just like who raised you like.

646
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: My judgmental superior Christians raised to evangelical Christians.

647
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,839
Speaker 3: That's crazy because I would I would have gotten my

648
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,400
ass beat if I was judging people out in the

649
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,160
streets like my parents raised me with. I don't know

650
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,920
grace and humility like they raised me to be. Like

651
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:29,400
you don't comment about other people's lives. I just don't understand.

652
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,799
Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't understand people grow up this way.

653
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,599
Speaker 1: I texted her after I watched it, and I was

654
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,160
seething with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns.

655
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,440
I'm mad because there's too many people like this on

656
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,279
the planet. And then I look at somebody like my

657
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,200
brother named Jesse, who is a beautiful he's the best person.

658
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,279
But he's a Christian. He raised his children to be Christian.

659
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:53,240
But he's also very scientifically minded. But he's just like

660
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,440
a whole bodied human Christian yep. And he's not telling

661
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,680
anybody how to live their life.

662
00:31:57,759 --> 00:31:59,359
Speaker 2: No, He's like, I love you, no.

663
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: Matter what, I'm gonna be here, no matter what, what

664
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,039
do you need from me? I love you.

665
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: It's not my it's not.

666
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: My position to judge anybody else yep, and that is

667
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,240
what Christians are supposed to do. And then you'll get

668
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,039
these Christians who are enamored of Saint Paul and they'll

669
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,720
be like, well, we're supposed to righteously judge other Christians,

670
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,039
Like we're not.

671
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: We're not in a church building a church. How about

672
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,920
we just listened to the words.

673
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,839
Speaker 1: Of Jesus when he said judge, not let's do you

674
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,319
be judged. Can't we just leave it at that?

675
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: Can we?

676
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:26,839
Speaker 1: These bitch ass people, I swear.

677
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,279
Speaker 3: To God, And like I was texting you back today,

678
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:32,359
I was like saying, I don't understand where they get

679
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,079
the right to be this judgmental or why they feel

680
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:38,119
the need to be this judgmental. My personal theory is

681
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,559
that maybe Lydia is compensating for the fact that she

682
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,279
can't really accept the fact that her whole entire family's

683
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,200
a bunch of fuck ups and that everybody has changed

684
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:51,759
their tune from this like strict religious like upbringing that

685
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,720
they had. You know, her mom's a drunk, she's dating

686
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,960
another drunk. Ethan is divorced and a drunk. Mariah's got

687
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:07,119
terrible tattoos, She's in Montana, Mica is and he's also bisexual.

688
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,680
Like she's looking at her family and being like, oh

689
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,480
my God, Like I think she genuinely can't accept it.

690
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: And so, like she.

691
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:16,839
Speaker 3: Said today to me over text, that you know, she

692
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:20,640
is falling headfirst into her religion because that's the only

693
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,519
foundation that she can really cling onto. But girl, get

694
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:27,440
some fucking therapy.

695
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: Well she'll have to go to a Christian church and

696
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,480
get therapy from a pastor.

697
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,079
Speaker 2: Cringe.

698
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: We're not going to get regular therapy anyway. It's just

699
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:34,799
so annoying.

700
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,079
Speaker 3: It is very annoying, and so everybody sits down for

701
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,680
this big conversation and we don't even get to all

702
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:43,680
of it in this episode. We're going to continue it

703
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,279
into next week in the finale, which I do love

704
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,279
very much. But we start the conversation kind of awkwardly

705
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,359
because Kim doesn't really know how to bring all of

706
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,000
this stuff up and how to introduce it. We start

707
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:01,519
talking about Joshua, well, we start talking about the weather actually,

708
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,920
and then we kind of get into Joshua, and Kim

709
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:09,519
is the one that says directly to Lydia, like, Hey,

710
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,559
I was pretty hurt by some of the things that

711
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:15,480
you said on those public podcasts, and I didn't really

712
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,719
appreciate it, like, I'm glad that you shared some of

713
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,519
your experience, but I just didn't really like the way

714
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:24,800
that you went about it. And then, you know, Lydia

715
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,800
proceeds to cry about it because I think she feels bad,

716
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,679
but I also think she's a little angry because you know,

717
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,159
I'm allowed to talk about my own fucking experience, mom.

718
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:38,519
Speaker 1: And she's so communicatively repressed she doesn't know how to

719
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:40,760
say that in the moment, so she starts to cry.

720
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: Yep, And you know, Zach and Lydia again thought that

721
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,480
this conversation was going to be more about Joshua and

722
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:52,480
not a direct confrontation about her and Zach's behavior, and

723
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,199
so I think she's a bit surprised by this because

724
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,559
she wasn't expecting to have like such a public conversation

725
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:02,079
with her mom about her mom's hurt feelings. Barry is

726
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:04,559
also shocked about it too, because he thought that we

727
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:06,480
were just going to talk about Joshua and like his

728
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:09,079
memory and stuff. He didn't realize that we were going

729
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:10,840
to get into all of these hard feelings.

730
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,079
Speaker 2: But is he saying anything?

731
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: He does end up saying something in defense of Kim.

732
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,320
But it's after Ethan says something in defense of Kim,

733
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,280
so Ethan pipes up and says something like, yeah, I

734
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,199
really don't like to talk about the death of Joshua publicly,

735
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,440
and if I was going to talk about it, I

736
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,639
would prefer to talk about his life and how much

737
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:34,599
I love him and how I miss him. But like,

738
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,440
talking about the actual death does have an impact on

739
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,039
the other people that were there and that it affects

740
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,880
and so me personally, that's not something that I'm going

741
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,519
to do. At which point Barry I think, oh no, no,

742
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,679
Kim says something I forget how it happened. But Kim

743
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,119
talks about like how she struggled after this happened, and

744
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:58,599
this is when Barry's like, yeah, like, we did the

745
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:01,320
best that we could to talk to kids in an

746
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,719
age appropriate way about this extremely tragic thing.

747
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 2: He says that to the camera.

748
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: He does into the circle though, He's like, yeah, you know,

749
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,639
your mom was dealing with a lot of stuff. She

750
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:12,639
was doing the best that she could, so Barry did

751
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,800
have her back. But Kim's real problem is that Lydia

752
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,639
went on that podcast and talked about the death and

753
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:24,639
then speculated from there that that was the reason that

754
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:28,079
Barry and Kim divorced. And this is where Barry's like, no, no, no, no, no,

755
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:32,440
that is not why we divorced, and Lydia does have

756
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:36,320
to acknowledge that, Yeah, maybe she shouldn't have said that,

757
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:39,280
m hm, maybe it was in poor taste, but I'm

758
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,280
going to be like, she has every right to say

759
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,320
that because y'all fucking don't talk. You're not talking to her,

760
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,480
and at this time, when you're getting a divorce, you

761
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:50,119
guys are making her parent your literal children.

762
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,119
Speaker 2: She's in the dark.

763
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,559
Speaker 1: She doesn't know what is happening. You all are going

764
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,679
against everything you taught her to believe and to do,

765
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,440
and so she has every right to speculate, like what

766
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,360
is this connect to why is this happening? Because you're

767
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,360
leaving your kids in the dark and they have no

768
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,320
idea what's happening, dummies.

769
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: And Lydia even says that in the circle, She's like,

770
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,599
you know, I was kind of left to speculate, and

771
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,360
Kim's like, yeah, I get that, but like this was

772
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,840
a private thing between your dad and I, and like

773
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,480
there were a lot of reasons why we ultimately divorced

774
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:23,079
and like Joshua wasn't the reason. And Kim to the

775
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,880
camera also defends Barry and says, like, Barry has always

776
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,960
had my back when it came to Joshua and everything

777
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,039
surrounding it, and I will always, like really love him

778
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,239
for that, because even though they've had their problems, like

779
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,639
Barry never once blamed her and never once made her

780
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:43,239
feel guilty. Like all of the guilt and the shame

781
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,679
that Kim still carries around to this day, like is

782
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,840
all her own and it's all mixed with the rest

783
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,400
of the family, But Barry has always had her back

784
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,159
and I did really appreciate that, and I think that

785
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:55,880
that's a testament to Barry's character.

786
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:57,039
Speaker 2: It's a small one.

787
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: Because the rest of it is just such a milk

788
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,639
toasts really is.

789
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: I also loved when Ethan connected the dots here for

790
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,519
Kim as well, because Kim it has a hard time speaking,

791
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,519
just like everybody else in this family. But Ethan is

792
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:18,440
the one that says, you know, you two, Lydia and Zach,

793
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,519
you are the ones who said, don't go talking about

794
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:25,480
us to other people unless you talk to us first, like,

795
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,800
don't go behind our backs. And yet Lydia, you went

796
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,199
on a public podcast too, I guess, and you talked

797
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:36,559
about Joshua, you talked about Kim, you talked about the divorce,

798
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,159
and you didn't even go to Kim first and let

799
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:41,280
her know, Hey, I'm going to be talking about this now.

800
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,559
Lydia does say, well, I didn't know that I was

801
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,960
going to be talking about that. They asked about Joshua,

802
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,760
and I just answered honestly in the moment, and I

803
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,599
believe her, yes, But there is something to be said for,

804
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,800
like why are you guys telling us how we should

805
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,920
conduct ourselves in this family and being so worried about gossip,

806
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,199
But here you are talking to every about all these

807
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,960
things and also going on actual podcasts and talking about

808
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:04,440
our business.

809
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,559
Speaker 3: And I think that's the crux of the issue. It's like,

810
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,679
why didn't you just at least warn us ahead of

811
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,639
time that you were going to be going on these podcasts?

812
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,719
Like even if you don't know, which I have a

813
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,920
hard time believing that they didn't know what they were

814
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,440
going to be asked, because a lot of the time,

815
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,360
when you're going on these podcasts and stuff, you're usually

816
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,719
given like, hey, this is like a template, this like

817
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,320
what we're going to talk about are you fine with

818
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,440
these topics? Like, so I think they probably were briefed

819
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,960
on it. Lydia does say like she didn't have time

820
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,480
to really think through her answers, and so I do

821
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,239
give her that she is a little bit young and dumb,

822
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,840
and so she probably didn't think about how this would

823
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,199
impact everybody in the family. But to me, like my

824
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,559
personal opinion, when you're going to talk about something as

825
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,679
sensitive as the death, like a traumatic death of a

826
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,000
loved one, maybe you should be like, hey, you know,

827
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,639
this was like a really sensitive topic, like let's not

828
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,559
talk about this too much, Like it was really hard

829
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:00,800
for me, of course, and it was because we didn't

830
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,440
talk about.

831
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: It, but like, leave it at that, you didn't know.

832
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:04,239
I disagree.

833
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: She has every right to talk about it. This is

834
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,039
her life. She experienced it firsthand. Lydia has every right

835
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,840
to say how she feels and recount what she saw

836
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:14,960
or say whatever she wants. Now, what she should have

837
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,800
done differently is as soon as that podcast concluded, she

838
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,199
should have called Kim and said, hey, yeah, I was

839
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,199
on this podcast. They happened to ask about this. This

840
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,119
is what I said, and I want you to know

841
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,239
because it's going to be public in a month or whatever,

842
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,880
Like she could have given Kim some kind of a

843
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,159
heads up, especially knowing how this is traumatized, not just Lydia,

844
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,079
but like Kim and the whole family. She didn't do that,

845
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,280
And she's young and she maybe she didn't know that

846
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,159
that would be the right or the mature thing to do.

847
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,960
But like, I think she can talk about whatever she

848
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,119
wants to talk about.

849
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: I think that's true in like any other circumstance. I

850
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,880
just think with death, like it's a really sensitive thing

851
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,679
all around, Like you do have to kind of be

852
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:55,800
careful about stuff like that.

853
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: That's just my thing.

854
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,159
Speaker 3: I don't think that anything Lydia said really was inherently

855
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,360
wrong when she was going on.

856
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: These podcasts whatsoever.

857
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: I think where she kind of overstepped was when she

858
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:09,199
was speculating about her parents' divorce. I do think that

859
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:11,679
that was probably inappropriate and a little sensitive. She has

860
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,480
right to say, she does have every right to feel it.

861
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:17,440
She has every right to speculate and stuff like that.

862
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,119
And Kim doesn't have a right to tell her adult

863
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:22,519
kids what they can or cannot say. Like you can

864
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:24,639
be upset about it and you can have a conversation

865
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:26,840
after the fact and be like, hey, I didn't really

866
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,239
really like that you said that. Maybe we can talk

867
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,079
about it a little bit more and we can clear

868
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,440
the air. That's fine, But she doesn't have a right

869
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,760
to police what they say. I just think when you're

870
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,679
talking about something as sensitive as death, like you, you

871
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,079
do have to kind of tread lightly.

872
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: That's just my personal opinion. I disagree. That's my personal opinion.

873
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:43,920
I disagree.

874
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: And so then when they're talking about Joshua, Zach pipes

875
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,239
up with his little doll fucking mouth and he's like, well,

876
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:54,199
Lydia didn't get a chance to talk about her experience,

877
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:57,679
and anytime that she did talk about her experience, she

878
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:58,599
was shut down.

879
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,559
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, were you there? How long have

880
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:04,119
you been here, sir?

881
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,599
Speaker 3: Like you've been here for one minute, you've been here

882
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:08,599
for a year, Like what are we doing?

883
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: You have no idea what you're talking about? And I

884
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,760
assume Lydia told you that herself, But like, this is

885
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,079
not for you. This is the part where you just

886
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:20,400
sit back and let your wife talk to her family

887
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,639
about the thing that she did that hurt the family.

888
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,440
That has nothing to do with you.

889
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: At all, And I really did not like that he

890
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,159
stepped up and said anything about it. And he's saying

891
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:34,599
this stuff on the behalf of Lydia or on Lydia's behalf,

892
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,039
and like almost like he's speaking for her. And I

893
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:41,480
was texting you today that, like, I feel like Lydia's

894
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:44,519
being a bit misguided here by Zach, because I think

895
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:50,000
Lydia actually isn't deciphering her own emotions or learning how

896
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:53,000
to feel her own emotions. I think, in my personal opinion,

897
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:55,280
y'all can come for me. I think she's making Zach

898
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,320
do it for her because Zach, I think, feels purposeful

899
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,679
to be like, no, this is how you feel, and

900
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,000
like actually, like this is the root of all of

901
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:06,159
your issues. Is the Joshua stuff, And like, look, maybe

902
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,960
some of his assumptions about the family and their dysfunction

903
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:13,039
are true, and in the confines of a marriage, like

904
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,599
these kinds of conversations totally happen. Like I talked to

905
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:17,639
my wife all the time about my family, Like that's

906
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,280
just what you do. But it's still my emotions to process,

907
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,119
just like it's still a Lydia's emotions to process. And

908
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,679
I don't like that Zach is kind of just speaking

909
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,159
for her in a lot of these regards, like Lydia

910
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,800
needs to feel it, she needs to process it, and

911
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,760
she doesn't need Zach's perspective dictating her own experience. Well.

912
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,159
Speaker 1: And also Kim counters to the camera, I've talked to

913
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,559
my kids about Joshua's death, and when they have come

914
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,840
to me, and if they've asked, I've absolutely been there

915
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,760
for them and I've answered them. And so this could

916
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,639
be a case of Lydia trying to share how she

917
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:58,639
feels with her husband and her husband interpreting for her

918
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,000
what her experience exactly when it wasn't that necessarily we

919
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,320
don't know because we weren't there.

920
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,039
Speaker 2: But like Zach, just shut up, just shut up.

921
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 3: And I really think he's making everything worse by opening

922
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,599
his little baby doll mouth, Like just shut up for

923
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:18,159
a little bit, Like it is not your place. It's

924
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,239
not like Zach has been married into this family for

925
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,480
two decades and has been an integral part of the

926
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:27,239
family dynamic, Like he's literally only been here for a year,

927
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,800
So maybe sit back and just listen and observe, Like

928
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,480
that's where you're supposed to be right now, and Kim

929
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:37,880
also talks about how she tried to talk to Lydia

930
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,920
about Joshua and the car ride home from Wisconsin, and

931
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,960
Lydia was completely unresponsive and not willing to engage, and like, look,

932
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,920
that's her right too, because it's complicated, like especially if

933
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,760
you have resentment and acre towards your parent and stuff,

934
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,360
like if your parent's trying to reach out at a

935
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,199
certain point when you're still angry, it's.

936
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: Like, oh God, don't talk to me.

937
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:59,599
Speaker 3: You know, like it's difficult, and Lydia again needs therapy

938
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:01,119
to be able to deal with that and be able

939
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,599
to talk to her mom, but then to like go

940
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,599
on podcasts, it's just crazy to me. So like this

941
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:11,960
whole situation is really messy. And so after we get

942
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,400
through the Joshua conversation, then Kim pipes up and says,

943
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,199
does anybody else have anything they want to share? And

944
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,320
of course Ethan is like, yeah, Zach, let me get

945
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,320
my balls out, Let.

946
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: Me put my dick right out the table, and.

947
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,119
Speaker 3: I need to clear some error with you, Zach. He

948
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,000
straight up says that his critiques of other members of

949
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,440
the family are downright disrespectful and an overstep, and you know,

950
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:45,119
Zach or Ethan says something like, you know, I think

951
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,360
he says it in the preview, so I'm jumping ahead.

952
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,840
But he's like, you know, it's really hard to like

953
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,719
have a relationship with you, especially when you're criticizing everybody else.

954
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,880
And then of course Zach puts on his victim hat

955
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,400
and he's just like, well, Ethan's throwing me out of

956
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,719
the farmhouse, and you know, it's real rich that he's

957
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,239
got these issues with me when I haven't talked to

958
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,719
him about how he called me gay last year and

959
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,639
how he was giving me a hard time.

960
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: Because you're scared. You've certainly talked to the camera about

961
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it though.

962
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

963
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: And also, Ethan's still allowed to talk to you about

964
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,719
his criticisms, So just because you haven't come to him

965
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,599
with your issues doesn't mean that there's like this unspoken

966
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:25,239
rule that Ethan can't.

967
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 2: Talk to you about his issues.

968
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 3: Like that doesn't make any sense to me. And I

969
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,800
think the episode ends with Zach to the camera saying.

970
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,519
Speaker 2: Man, so I'm just a problem for the whole family. Now,

971
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,679
I guess he'll just shut up and leave. What am

972
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:42,079
I supposed to do? Wrestle them?

973
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:43,119
Speaker 1: My god?

974
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: Dude, bitch baby, he's such a bitch baby. You're crying

975
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,599
about the fact that you're getting called out for criticizing

976
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,800
members of the family that you don't even know well,

977
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,920
like who are you? So we get to the preview

978
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for next week's episode, which looks like it's gonna be

979
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:01,239
the finale. We're continuing the family intervention where Ethan tells

980
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,960
him tells Zach that it's hard to build a relationship

981
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,199
with him and that he would appreciate if he could

982
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,000
keep his bitch ass baby ass opinions to himself.

983
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: And then we have.

984
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:17,639
Speaker 3: Barry laughing with Zach about how he shouldn't be exporting

985
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,840
his opinions to lands that don't want to import.

986
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: My god bet boop Bob. And then we have Mariah saying, well, okay.

987
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:28,199
Speaker 3: I mean, if somebody's gonna judge me, I'm just going

988
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,719
to judge him back, bitch. We have Kim saying that

989
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,360
her and Barry are the only ones that get to

990
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,039
make the decisions about how the kids are raised, and

991
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:41,000
that kind of gives the impression that Zach is trying

992
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,280
to tell Kim and Barry how to raise their younger kids.

993
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:46,719
That's what it sounds like what they did wrong the

994
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:51,760
older kids, y'all. And then Lydia, you know, cries to

995
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,599
the camera about how Zach is just always constantly misunderstood

996
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,039
time and time again, just nobody gets him up. And

997
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:02,679
then Zach cries to the camera, and that's where he says,

998
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:04,320
what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to

999
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,079
wrestle them?

1000
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: You're supposed to take responsibility for lecturing other people and

1001
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:12,159
for being superior and sanctimonious. You're supposed to have some

1002
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,519
self reflection and look at the shit that you've actually

1003
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,920
done that has offended somebody, and you're supposed to apologize

1004
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,280
for it. That's what adults and actual Christians do, yep, Zachary.

1005
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: And sometimes we do the wrong thing, and we're going

1006
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,679
to have to sit that sit there and swallow our

1007
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:29,280
pride and accept that we did the wrong thing and

1008
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,039
apologize and make amends. But instead we're going to cry

1009
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:35,559
about it, and then we're going to move Lydia to Colorado,

1010
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,440
away from the family, because we don't want to have.

1011
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 2: To deal with it and deal with how evil her

1012
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,679
parents are and how evil the family is.

1013
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:46,159
Speaker 1: And so now Lydia's going to be isolated. And I

1014
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:49,480
know she's happy and she loves Zach's family, but I

1015
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:52,719
think they are turbo religious as well in their own way,

1016
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,800
and so it's going to be harder for Lydia to

1017
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,440
awaken and come out of the fog of the religion

1018
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,920
that she's a part of, especially if she is taking

1019
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:08,400
on the expected submissive and subservient role of a Christian wife, Like,

1020
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,840
she can't question this guy. This guy seems controlling to me.

1021
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,199
This guy seems to want to be the one to

1022
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,559
develop the narrative, and like.

1023
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: Lydia, you in danger, girl, You in danger. You're in danger.

1024
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:24,119
Speaker 3: And I want to clarify, like, look, this family is

1025
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,800
not free of any kind of criticism. Like, there's a

1026
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,519
lot of dysfunction, there's a lot of toxic bullshit, there's

1027
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:32,079
a lot of manipulation and a lot of red flags

1028
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:36,000
in the family. But where Zach has it wrong is

1029
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:38,519
he's telling people how to live their life according to

1030
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:43,599
what he believes God wants. And that's not okay. You

1031
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:46,360
don't have a right to tell adults how they should

1032
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,639
live or how they should act. You can have your

1033
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:51,440
own personal opinions about it, but you don't have a

1034
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,039
place especially in a big family like this where they're

1035
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:57,360
all pretty close knit and you can have your arguments

1036
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,880
about that all you want. You don't have a pl

1037
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,079
as a new spouse to dictate what they should and

1038
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:08,239
should not do, period, end of story. Like you just don't,

1039
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,000
especially to people who have faith. Yeah, it's just different

1040
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,320
than yours. It's yeah, exactly, it's so arrogant.

1041
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 2: It's so arrogant.

1042
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,559
Speaker 3: And again he made it way worse for himself by

1043
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:22,599
being this way. Yes, if he wasn't as judgmental, I'm

1044
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:25,400
sure the family would have warmed up to him, but

1045
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,639
they don't like him because of this.

1046
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: Well, that was a lot.

1047
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't say in the episode that this next

1048
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,079
episode was gonna be the finale, but you think it's

1049
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:36,480
going to be.

1050
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: It kind of feels like that to me. But maybe

1051
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,719
we're gonna have another one after.

1052
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have the conversation, they're gonna say

1053
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,039
what they need to say to Zach, and then they're

1054
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,320
gonna have some sort of a ceremony for Joshua, which

1055
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,840
I think is great. Yeah, and hopefully the family can

1056
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,039
come together for Lydia and Zach and we can tie

1057
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:54,159
it up with a nice bowl. First season eight eight,

1058
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:57,559
I always forget that's what I think is gonna happen.

1059
00:50:57,639 --> 00:50:59,719
But I'm definitely looking forward to it, and.

1060
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see honestly, And I'm kind of

1061
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,360
wondering if Micah is just not going to be on

1062
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,559
the show anymore, because it's kind of funny how he

1063
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:08,639
hasn't been on since like the very beginning.

1064
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: That Micah has a boyfriend in Flora, they got it.

1065
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,599
It's so inappropriate for us to speculate, but we always

1066
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:13,920
do it.

1067
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,559
Speaker 3: I think it's either that he's got a boyfriend or

1068
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,039
like some kind of algibatic relationship or something. Yeah, and

1069
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,320
or he's fed up with the drama and like being public.

1070
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,440
Maybe he is just having a soft exit from the

1071
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,280
show and he's like, yeah, I don't really need the money.

1072
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,519
Speaker 1: He's quiet quitting. Yeah, he's like our television sets. Yes,

1073
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:36,440
I'm going to miss him. And honestly, somebody in this

1074
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:41,159
family statistically is gay. I think we need the representation.

1075
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:45,039
I would love to have the conversation, especially among people

1076
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,719
of faith and how they deal with that. That to

1077
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,679
me would be super interesting. So hopefully, if that's what's

1078
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:52,199
happening with Micah. I'm not saying it is, but whatever

1079
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,960
is happening with Micah, I hope.

1080
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 3: He comes back me too, and I hope he's happy

1081
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,159
most of all me as well.

1082
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: All right, well, is there anything else that we should

1083
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,840
say to these full raccoons before we get up on

1084
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:03,400
at a here bhs.

1085
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,599
Speaker 3: Well, if you love our podcast and we didn't trigger

1086
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:08,119
you too much, please go to your favorite podcast platform

1087
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:11,239
and leave us a glowing five star review. Really helps

1088
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,000
us grow the pod so more people can join us

1089
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,119
in the dumpster, and we would really appreciate it, so

1090
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,800
thank you. We're gonna be back next week to talk

1091
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,320
sister wives. Honey, Cody's taking those girls to California and

1092
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,079
I'm bored well.

1093
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: And also Maddie's got a decision from the Church of

1094
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,599
Jesus and all those Latter day Saints and stuff, and

1095
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:31,880
so make sure to come back for that and tell

1096
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,880
them please do not forget that we have nothing but

1097
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,199
love for you and peace. Oh my