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we're here to talk. Welcome to plaifew Hoody.
Speaker 2: This episode it was crazy a good episode. It was good.
I enjoyed it quite a lot. It was good.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so before we get started, of course, I have
to ask you. I'm dying to know what's your takeaway.
Speaker 3: Beatrice, Look, I kind of felt bad for Zach and
Lydia because I do feel like they were ambushed in
this episode. I feel like it was pretty lame of
the family to frame it as we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna talk about Joshua, We're gonna have no.
Speaker 3: Family healing, but then when they get there, they're gonna
be like, and actually, you guys are a bunch of
judgmental assholes, and actually, Zach, we don't.
Speaker 2: Really like you.
Speaker 3: And actually, Lydia, what you said on the podcast was
really lame. Yeah, that was pretty shitty. But did I
named it?
Speaker 2: Did I think that Zach deserved it a little bit? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He was absolutely surprised, totally, and he would not have
shown up if they had told him in advance because
he's a.
Speaker 3: Coward, honestly. And my takeaway remains from last week.
Speaker 2: Zach sucks. He does suck. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I don't either. Now my takeaway is, Barry, where are you, honey?
What planet are you on? I know you're out looking
for Sasquatch, and I know you're into the Book of
Enoch and everything, but we need to hear present with
your family and when they're talking about the things that
Zach has said, like, I need you to be a
little bit more proactive. I was proud of him that
he did defend Kim in terms of the process that
she went through after the death of Joshua. I thought
that was great and he didn't have to they're divorced
and all that. But I'm just like, he's so absent
as a father, passive as a patriarch, Like you really
need to show up more.
Speaker 3: Like why is Ethan having to fill the role of
the family patriarch and the one that is outspoken for
the sake of the family, Like it's Ethan plat nobody
wants that chromagnum man to fill that father role.
Speaker 2: But Barry's just sitting there.
Speaker 1: He's checked out completely completely, and I wonder why or
maybe he has been this entire time, which is one
of the reasons Kim became such a tyrant. Yep, because
he was absent. That's what I think, absent Plath daddy Yep. Well,
without further ado, let's get into our recap of Welcome
to plathfill season eight episode to the pots the pot.
You know, I feel like Kim wants to stir that pot.
So yeah, let's get into it well.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Kim, we resume her therapy session from last
week at the beginning of this episode, and honestly, I
still feel sad for her, Like the therapy episode or
the therapy part of the episode was pretty emotional, Like
I my take stays the same with that, Like I
feel bad for Kim. She's a traumatized woman. But in
this therapy session, the therapist, you know, tells Kim that
everyone experienced the same loss, but they all experienced it differently,
and so you're going to have to sit in the
space of that, and you're going to have to hear
everybody's truths and everybody's experiences, and then you can also
talk about your own and that's how we move through grief.
And I actually kind of liked the therapist in this episode.
I know she's a total TLC plan to I like her,
but I think she's pretty cool. Like she said something
about grief that grief is internal, but mourning is external, yes,
and in order to mourn, like that's how we move
through the grief, And I'm like, Base.
Speaker 2: I had never even thought of it that way.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so true though. It's so true though, because
we all grieve differently and everybody has a different way
of showing that of moving through life like that. And
you know it got to Kim too. You can tell
because she is teary and she is emotional about it.
And then at one point the therapist also told Kim
that she needs to really sit with her play by
play recollections of the day that everything happened, and the
kids need to hear it too, And this got to
Kim a bit, like she starts sobbing, and the therapist
is like, well, one way that you can go about
that is maybe you can tell the story of the
day that it happened, like you're talking to Joshua. Maybe
you talk to him through all of that. And this
is where Kim really started sobbing, And like you can
tell Joshua that you love him and you know, talk
to him about it through the day, and like you
can tell that Kim really hasn't dealt with the loss
of this. And I know some of y'all in the
comments they're gonna be like.
Speaker 2: But Kim sucks, She's a bad person, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Look, dude, hurt people hurt people, and sometimes the people
that are the hardest to love, need to love the most.
And Kim definitely is just coasting through life and has
been coasting through life. And you can see that even
though she's with.
Speaker 1: Ken Palmer and she's got a drinking problem.
Speaker 3: And you know, she blew up her family and stuff like,
that's all connected to like the shit that she's experienced
in her life. And so you can tell she hasn't
dealt with shit, even though she says she's fine now,
like the loss of Joshua still creeps up to her
and still gets her to this day. And so I
think overall, like it was a productive therapy session very much.
Speaker 1: So I felt a lot of sympathy and compassion for Kim.
I was kind of very struck when she was talking
about the graphic stuff yeah, that she saw with Joshua, Yeah,
which leads me to believe that some are all of
her other kids probably also something saw something that was
very graphic and how traumatizing obviously that would be, and
how it's likely that she's got PTSD untreated and she's
had it for all of these years yep. And so
you can stand on your soapbox and you can talk
about like all of the ways that Kim should have
handled this, and maybe some of that is valid, but
I honestly think that she did the best.
Speaker 2: That she could.
Speaker 1: And then when you couple that with being absolutely entrenched
in a cult and believing, like in a certain kind
of structure for your family and for your faith and
all of this stuff, like it just all kind of
dovetails into the person that Kim becomes and the mistakes
that she also makes with her family and with her
family's significant others, et cetera. So it's just like this
complex situation, and I think that it's important for us
as viewers to not like be super black and white
about it.
Speaker 2: Yep. We have obviously.
Speaker 1: Criticized the fuck out of Kim, but I mean I
can really sort of of zoom out and see this
woman for who she is and have so much compassion
for her. Now, that doesn't change the fact that I'm
going to come for her a little bit when we
sit down with Zach. Yep, because there was some manipulation
that was happening there. But again, this is all to
me a byproduct of this truly traumatic thing that she
went through that most of us will never go through.
Oh yeah, we may have some sort of a variation.
Some of you, god forbid, might have lost a child
or lost somebody really close to you in that way,
like that is so terrorizing and awful, But like to
have run at over yeah, your child, like that is
just huge, Oh horrible, it is huge, and so like,
I just feel like we need to be a little
bit nuanced in how we are dealing with Kim.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've been seeing a lot of comments about
people being like, well, but Kim should have done this,
and Kim.
Speaker 2: Should have done that.
Speaker 3: Right, easy for you to say, exactly, It's so easy
for us on the outside to say what someone should
and shouldn't have done. But ultimately, at the end of
the day, we didn't run over a kid. We didn't
have to experience such a horrific loss and then be
in a family that experienced such a horrific.
Speaker 1: Loss while she was pregnant, wow, with Amber pregnant. And
so I know, let's just sidebar for a second. I
know you sent me I guess a TikTok of Olivia
talking about.
Speaker 2: Kim and her lies.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it. It's not because I don't think
Kim hasn't lied. It's not because I hate Olivia.
Speaker 2: I don't, I never have.
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's not I don't want to
see that right now while we're dealing with all of
this other stuff with Kim.
Speaker 2: I just want to.
Speaker 1: See Olivia shredding her to pieces again and still like
it's just not helpful in any way.
Speaker 2: And so I didn't watch what you sent me. I'm
sorry I didn't either.
Speaker 3: I only sent it in the purpose of, like, maybe
we can react to it in the future, because Olivia
is in the zeitgeist of talking about it, and she
is coming out in poor taste. Honestly, I know some
of you Olivia's dancer. Yeah she's great, blah blah blah blah, you're.
Speaker 2: Just besuded as blah blah.
Speaker 3: No, dude, Like she's coming out and reacting to Kim
and talking about how horrible of a person she is,
how much of a liar she is in the wake
of Kim talking about this horrific traumatic event of losing.
Speaker 1: But we haven't watched it, so maybe she acknowledges some
of that stuff, Like I don't know, maybe she does.
I want to give her the benefit of the doubt,
and maybe we can watch it for Patreon.
Speaker 2: But I didn't watch it.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to focus on what we were given
in terms of content, and I just don't want to
hear a bunch of Kim bashing this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little much when we're talking about something
as sensitive as this, And like, again, you guys can
hate Kim for all you want, and she is not
free of any kind of criticism. We've definitely disised her
a lot. But in the context of this, when she's
literally crying on a therapist scouch, maybe we can.
Speaker 2: Chill out a little bit, all right, yep.
Speaker 3: So we end the therapy session where Kim is like,
you know, this was supposed to be cathartic. It should
feel cathartic, but right now I'm a bit overwhelmed. And
that's fair and valid because talking about trauma often makes
us relive the trauma again and that can be really overwhelming,
especially in a therapeutic environment. But all that being said,
Kim goes out to her car and immediately calls Lydia.
And at the beginning of this episode, it's kind of
framed like it's a good thing, right, Like she's gonna
call Lydia and be like, hey, I'm ready to talk
about Joshua.
Speaker 2: And this takes.
Speaker 3: Lydia aback, Like she's at work getting this call from
her mom and she's like whoa, okay, like that sounds great,
and knowing how the episode goes, it's.
Speaker 2: Kind of fucked up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of fucked up that we're using this
whole like tragedy of Joshua and also Lydia and Zach's
first year anniversary. I'm like, our wedding was such a
debacle girl to like lure them over to have this
what celebration and intimate conversation, but like, what you really
want to talk about, though, is how you did me dirty.
Speaker 3: How you did me dirty, and how you did the
family dirty. Also going to have an intervention because we're
pissed off it you.
Speaker 1: Guys well, and she even says like I have some boundaries. Yep,
Kim says, I have some boundaries about what Lydia can
talk about. She doesn't say it as overtly as that,
but that's her boundary. Her boundary is around controlling how
Lydia speaks about her own experience in this.
Speaker 2: Family, specifically publicly.
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's not how boundaries rule boundaries are about your
behavior nobody else's behavior. Now, if somebody is acting in
a certain way and you don't like it, you can
remove yourself or whatever. But like you can't tell Lydia
what she can say and what she can do. We'll
talk about it when we get.
Speaker 2: There, we will.
Speaker 3: And so then we move on to the bulk of
the episode, which is like leading up to this one
year celebration of Zach and Lydia's wedding, but also a
whole entire family intervention.
Speaker 2: And we have.
Speaker 3: Teagan writing in Ethan's old man car, why are you
here on the way to this end?
Speaker 2: What actually doing? So? Why are you showing up? Teak In?
Speaker 3: And like she's wearying I'm not commenting on like her
her outfit in like a negative way, but she's like
wearing like a really cute sexy little dress with her
cleavage out and stuff. And she's like going in Ethan's
car with him on the way to visit his family,
and I'm just like, why are you here if you
have no intention of getting back together with Ethan?
Speaker 1: Well, and if you check out Ethan's demeanor, he seems lighter,
he seems happier, and I don't think it's just because
she's there, because in Montana she was there, but he
was not happy. He was very glum. So I'm just
wondering to mathall whether something has happened, whether they have banged.
Speaker 2: I kind of wonder.
Speaker 1: Whether something's gone down to make Ethan feel a little
more comfortable to bring Toagan.
Speaker 3: I kind of wonder if they did bang, because they
are spending some time together, and even Tegan says like
our friendship has improved since the last time we checked
in with them, like after Christmas or whatever, and she's
been to his house and all this stuff. So I'm like, Okay,
maybe y'all are hooking up still, like maybe there's some
physical chemistry, and it.
Speaker 1: Feels like it kind of feels like it a little bit.
Speaker 3: It just seems really weird to me, And I'm like,
if you guys don't know, Teagan has been posting pictures
on Instagram now in the Year of our Lower twenty
twenty six with her new boyfriend who is not Ethan Plath.
So it's just interesting to me that we're watching this
and it's like, you guys don't end up back together
like what happened. Maybe they had like a little trial
run or something, and they realized it wasn't gonna work out.
I don't know, but they're on the way to the
Plath family farm, and Teagan's like, I was here for
Zach and Lydia's wedding celebration. First of all, why do
you need to be there? Okay, whatever, But Ethan briefed
her on the way there, basically saying, well, actually, it's
not just a celebration. We're also gonna confront Zach and
Lydia for being judgmental as fuck and for talking about Joshua.
Speaker 2: And then on the.
Speaker 3: Car ride there we hear a little bit more, which
was wild.
Speaker 2: I got this is juicy. I was a little shure.
Speaker 3: So Ethan tells Teagan that Zach has been talking shit
basically and talking about Teagan, and Tecan's like.
Speaker 2: Well, what did he say? What does this little boy say?
Speaker 3: And Ethan says that Zach was saying that Teagan was
not right for him and that her daughter was just
extra baggage, which is so fucked up to say. And
he also had problems with Teagan's sexuality and basically implied
to Ethan that her sexuality was like not godly or
whatever or that she wasn't a good Christian woman or
a good enough Christian woman for Ethan, And so Ethan
tells Teagan this, and Hegan's like, Wow, that's fucking rich
coming from this guy who you know had a horrible
like issue with Ethan confronting him at the wedding about
his sexuality, like why are you commenting on mine? And
Teacan's like, I don't.
Speaker 4: Judge you guys, Like I didn't judge you guys for
virgins and for not kissing until you got married, Like
I didn't care at all, So like, why are you
judging me? And I was wondering what Zach was reverencing
with her sexuality, because I don't think Tagan's like elgibetic.
I don't think she's by, but maybe it's just because
she's like.
Speaker 1: I mean, it leads us to guess because I don't
think they've ever addressed it, so we would guess maybe
she's by or pen or something like that.
Speaker 2: But I kind of loved.
Speaker 1: That she didn't clarify, no, she doesn't know that to us.
She doesn't owe any explanation to somebody like Zach. It's
who she is, and she didn't say anything.
Speaker 3: I actually was wondering if, like Zach was implying that
she was like promiscuous or that she was like like.
Speaker 2: The onlyfan stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I wonder if it was something about that
or like about the way that she dresses, because she's
got a bang in bod and she doesn't like shy
away from showing.
Speaker 1: But is that your sexuality.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's your sexuality, but like I don't
know either, And Zach wouldn't know because he's a virtus virgin.
He has no worldly experience and he's just a loud dollmouth,
big old dollmouth exactly.
Speaker 2: I can't stand his so stupid.
Speaker 3: Oh, and Ethan also told Teagan that Zach thinks that
Teagan was using Ethan for his money.
Speaker 2: Which is really stupid too.
Speaker 3: And so Teagan, why, I mean, I don't think she
was using him for his money at all?
Speaker 2: Why what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Well, why don't you think so? Because we don't really
have the details of that. And Ethan did admit that.
Speaker 3: He paid a lot, but also we heard from Teagan
like what two episodes ago in Montana where she was
like I paid for a lot of stuff, like I
traveled yeah to him, So I don't think she was using,
but I'm just wondering if there's something there that we
don't know. Maybe, I mean, maybe Ethan was offering to
like support her and her daughter or something, and Zach
took that as like, you know, Teagan's taking advantage of him,
because Zach obviously is judging the fuck out of everybody
and making assumptions about everyone that are true or not.
So I don't know. Teagan was obviously mad, mainly about
the fact that he was talking about her.
Speaker 1: Because like, if you want to guarantee a punch in
the face with brass knuckles from Delia for real, raccoon,
that's how you do it. You talk about my kid,
don't talk about my fucking don't don't even mention my child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, out of your dull mouth or real or a
fight were rappin, Like who are you? God got me heated?
Speaker 3: Tiagan is very composed when she's talking about this, like
she's not getting as angry as we are, but you
can tell she's angry, and she says something to the
effect of, like, you know, Zach seems to be very
concerned about like parenting styles and telling people.
Speaker 2: What to do with their kids.
Speaker 3: And you know, when he has kids, he can do
whatever he wants and he can raise his kids however
he wants. But like, don't be talking about my kid
and the way I parents taste, Like, leave my name
out of your mouth. And Tacan also clarifies to the
camera that Zach has been this way since the very beginning,
even before him on Lydia got married. So he was
making these criticisms.
Speaker 2: When he was a boyfriend, how the fuck.
Speaker 1: And when when he was living in Barry's at it
in Isaac's old room and around talking about Teagan. That's
crazy to me.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine, No, when you first met me fresh off,
fresh off the boat. Yeah, and I'm dating your daughter
and I'm coming into your house and be like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Like the way you do things that would have been
so cute, that would have been really fun.
Speaker 2: That's only as you guys like me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like if I was judgmental, Yeah, no, absolutely not. No,
that's crazy to me. I just don't understand where Zach
thinks that he has the right. And so then we
bop on over to the farm. We have Kim and Ken,
you know, preparing and setting things up and decorating, And
this is where Kim says that the camera, you know,
Lydia told me that the night before her wedding was
the worst night of her life and that made me
hurt for her. And so on the one year anniversary
of their wedding, I wanted to put together a celebration again.
Speaker 2: She's like, but I want to put together a celebration
and make it a happy day.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, Anne also ambush them an intervention
with an intervention. That's crazy, that's diabolical.
Speaker 1: So do we think she's being punitive? Do we think
she's doing this on purpose?
Speaker 2: I kind of think that's.
Speaker 1: Sart Lydia, because she takes pains through this episode and
other episodes to talk about how she wants to be
there for Lydia and how she cares about Lydia. But
it kind of feels to me like she's trying to
punish Lydia. It kind of podcast.
Speaker 3: It feels like it's either a punishment for the podcast
or from the earlier part of this season where Zach
and Lydia confronted the family on camera and had an intervention.
Because I remember Kim being shocked by that like discussion
and being shocked that they were upset with her.
Speaker 2: So it does feel punitive to me.
Speaker 3: What it is in response to I don't know, but
like we can only speculate we're probably will be correct.
I felt like that was really fucked up, and it's
fucked up to like go to great pains to say,
I want to make this a great day for her
because her wedding night was so terrible, but then you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Make this one year anniversary awful.
Speaker 3: Like I feel bad even though I'm gonna criticize the
fuck out of Zach in this episode, I'm like, this
kind of sucks. Yeah, kind of sucks for them, and
it sucks for Lydia mainly.
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering what the intention is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so Kim also in this segment, is you know,
posing the question of like whether or not it's hypocritical
to criticize Zach and Lydia for being judgmental Christians because
this is on the foundation that her and Barry laid
for all of their children, and she knows that she's
aware of that. So I did appreciate that Kim brought
that up, because at least she's self aware enough to
realize like, yeah, I raised her to be this way,
but is it hypocritical? Yes, but I'm gonna do it anyway.
Speaker 1: Well, she's like, the difference is I was parenting my
children versus you're trying to tell grown adults how to
live their lives. And that's the thing, and that makes sense.
Speaker 3: That's the thing, and that is based Like Zach and Lydia,
you guys don't know shit about shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking to adults here, and when you have
your own kids, raise them the way that you want to,
just like Barry and I raised our kids the way
that we wanted to, Like every parent in America brings
up their kids according to their values. But like, you
don't have any place or position to criticize what we're
doing because you aren't a parent.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're talking to adults and you're telling Mariah
how to live her life.
Speaker 2: That was juicy.
Speaker 3: And so after we have that little segment, then we
have Isaac pulling on up with the bench that he
answered he's a real man man. He grabs the bench
out of the truck with one hand.
Speaker 1: Strong.
Speaker 2: He's a strong man. He's a strong man. It's a
farm boy. He has a farm boy.
Speaker 3: And he and the purpose of the bench, we learn
is not for not for him to sit on.
Speaker 2: What are you implying? Nothing?
Speaker 3: And it's reinforced and you know, stop it stop anyway,
It's not for Kim to sit on. It's actually going
to be a memoriam of Joshua, which is very sweet.
Everybody in the family that was there that day is
going to like etch something with wood burning tools or whatever,
like their names or something to commemorate Josha Joshua's memory,
which is very sweet. I'm still wondering why we're doing
this on the one year anniversary of Lydia's wedding, but whatever.
And then we pad on over to inside the farmhouse
where we have weird, creepy, one eyed racist skin braiding
Mercy's hair, but he like doesn't know how to braid
and so we just like tying it and knots in
the back.
Speaker 2: Why were you touching this young girl.
Speaker 1: Out? Girls who are molested, statistically are most likely to
be molested by a man that the wife or the
mom excuse me, introduces into the home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just like, I'm just stir it's weird.
Speaker 1: I mean, even if you have a great relationship and
you're like an awesome step dad, Like I still don't
want to see this though.
Speaker 3: I think it's weird. I thought the whole scene was
very bizarre, and like he says something about how Kim
is very torn up still because of Joshua and so
this will be a really good thing for her, and
I'm like, okay, shut up, dude, O way, we do
not need your commentary and I don't want to hear.
Speaker 2: You talk out of her like at all.
Speaker 3: And so then Teagan and Ethan arrive at the farmhouse
and immediately Kim wants to talk to Tegan privately, and
Teagan's like, am I being sent to the principal's office?
Like am I in trouble? Like what's going on here?
And Kim just wants to basically brief Teagan and be
like I just want to make sure you're not gonna
be uncomfortable because your name's gonna be gonna come up
in this intervention and we're gonna be talking about you
and what Zack said about you. And Tacan's like, no,
I'm fine, like I don't want to cause any issues,
like we're Gucci.
Speaker 2: And she's like okay, gives a hug. I thought it
was a great conversation.
Speaker 1: I think Kim was trying to prepare to again, yeah,
for something that might be said, and she was trying
to take care of it. What.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're ambushing Lydia and Zach though, Like it's crazy.
Everybody in the family knows what we're gonna be talking
about here, except for Lydia, Zach and apparently Barry. That's
crazy to me, And so everybody goes outside to sit
down and have this chat. Barry arrives late, and we
have Mariah who comes outside just to basically say hi
and then is like, Bye, I'm gonna go bake a
cake with Amber.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
Speaker 3: Look, I can kind of understand it as somebody who
is a little bit of an avoidant person, like, especially
with family conflict like that, I'd be like, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Go in the kitchen.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be here, I don't want to
listen to it. And so she's just taking a convenient excuse.
I know some people are being really really critical of Mariah, like, oh,
she's avoiding conflict again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, that's what they all do. And also
she has every right to do that in my opinion. Yeah,
she is a part of a very dysfunctional family. She's
probably been a part of many dysfunctional family meetings. Yep,
she knows where this is going. She brought none of
this upon herself, and she can opt out if she
wants to. And you know what, Ethan is perfectly capable
of handling this on her behalf one percent.
Speaker 3: And she knows that they're probably going to bring her up,
and she just doesn't want to deal with the conflict,
which I can understand and respect. And we hear from her, actually,
while she's in the kitchen talking with Amber, we hear
from both of them more about the conflicts that happened
in Montana when Zach and Lydia were there. Mariah does
confirm that both Zach and Lydia sat her down to
tell her that the choices that she was making and
the way that she was living her life were not
godly enough. They talked about her drinking and the alcohol,
and Amber also corroborates that and says that Zach and
Lydia said to Mariah she can't even have liquor in
the house because Amber was there, and Amber's a minor
and it got to a point where I think Amber
was told about all of this because Mariah had this
conversation privately with Zach and Lydia, and here comes based
Amber and Amber. We love Amber, she's got the fire
in her. So when they're on the way to the airport,
I think to drop Lydia and Zack off, Amber straight
up confronts them and is like, yeah, so I heard
you were talking shit. And Amber basically tells Zach, you know,
it's not your place to say anything, like it's one
thing if Lydia wants to talk to us siblings about something,
because you know, she's our older sister, we get that,
but you don't really have a place to dictate what
we do in our life. And you don't need to
tell Mariah what she needs to be doing to live
a godly life. And Zach, according to Amber, straight up
was arguing with her and saying, actually.
Speaker 2: No, it is my place.
Speaker 3: Actually I do have a right to be a judgmental asshole.
And so on this car ride to the airport, it
sounds like Amber and Zach were arguing constantly. Lydia was crying,
and Lydia was crying.
Speaker 2: It was happening ridiculous.
Speaker 3: And then they couldn't even come to an agreement, so
they just agreed to disagree. So now we know Zach
is being judgmental, and Zach is telling people in the
family what to do. I've been seeing people online being.
Speaker 2: Like, well, we don't know if that's true. We don't.
Speaker 3: No, now we have multiple people now saying that this
is what he's doing, and that he has been doing
it since the beginning, before he was even married to
the family.
Speaker 1: And so I just want to say an offer for
the court that yes, he's being blindsided right now in
this conversation, but is he because Amber has already confronted him,
He's already been told directly that he should not be
doing that. And Lydia also had a conversation with Kim
in the car where Kim brought it up and said, Hey,
everybody doesn't feel good about what your husband is doing,
and now we're all going to get together for the
first time.
Speaker 2: You don't think that's going to come up, Zach?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you can't expect to to do this
and to act this way, to not have somebody talk
to you about it. My whole thing is they should
have been upfront about what the purpose of this. They
would not have come, then then fine, then you can
be isolated from the family. If you don't want to
talk to us because we're bringing these concerns to you,
peace out. But at least they were honest about it.
That's my whole thing.
Speaker 1: Well, when you have like an intervention for an addict, well, yeah, true,
you don't tell them that people are assembled to talk
to them about their bad, dysfunctional, addictive behavior. You invite
them to something and then everybody's there and then you
confront them.
Speaker 2: Now, Zach is not an ad they're not drug addics.
It's not an addict.
Speaker 1: But this is kind of one of the ways that
you would get them into the room so that they
can hear what you have to say. I give so
fuck him, Yeah, he suck him. The confidence, the unearned
confidence of a mediocre man gets me every time. Who
do you think you are a young man? What are you?
Twenty years old with your doll mouth and your rat
face and you're having sex the first time in your
life and you want to talk to people about what
they can watch in their homes.
Speaker 2: I just hate people like that.
Speaker 1: I hate him so much.
Speaker 3: Well, it's just like who raised you like.
Speaker 1: My judgmental superior Christians raised to evangelical Christians.
Speaker 3: That's crazy because I would I would have gotten my
ass beat if I was judging people out in the
streets like my parents raised me with. I don't know
grace and humility like they raised me to be. Like
you don't comment about other people's lives. I just don't understand.
Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't understand people grow up this way.
Speaker 1: I texted her after I watched it, and I was
seething with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns.
I'm mad because there's too many people like this on
the planet. And then I look at somebody like my
brother named Jesse, who is a beautiful he's the best person.
But he's a Christian. He raised his children to be Christian.
But he's also very scientifically minded. But he's just like
a whole bodied human Christian yep. And he's not telling
anybody how to live their life.
Speaker 2: No, He's like, I love you, no.
Speaker 1: Matter what, I'm gonna be here, no matter what, what
do you need from me? I love you.
Speaker 2: It's not my it's not.
Speaker 1: My position to judge anybody else yep, and that is
what Christians are supposed to do. And then you'll get
these Christians who are enamored of Saint Paul and they'll
be like, well, we're supposed to righteously judge other Christians,
Like we're not.
Speaker 2: We're not in a church building a church. How about
we just listened to the words.
Speaker 1: Of Jesus when he said judge, not let's do you
be judged. Can't we just leave it at that?
Speaker 2: Can we?
Speaker 1: These bitch ass people, I swear.
Speaker 3: To God, And like I was texting you back today,
I was like saying, I don't understand where they get
the right to be this judgmental or why they feel
the need to be this judgmental. My personal theory is
that maybe Lydia is compensating for the fact that she
can't really accept the fact that her whole entire family's
a bunch of fuck ups and that everybody has changed
their tune from this like strict religious like upbringing that
they had. You know, her mom's a drunk, she's dating
another drunk. Ethan is divorced and a drunk. Mariah's got
terrible tattoos, She's in Montana, Mica is and he's also bisexual.
Like she's looking at her family and being like, oh
my God, Like I think she genuinely can't accept it.
Speaker 2: And so, like she.
Speaker 3: Said today to me over text, that you know, she
is falling headfirst into her religion because that's the only
foundation that she can really cling onto. But girl, get
some fucking therapy.
Speaker 1: Well she'll have to go to a Christian church and
get therapy from a pastor.
Speaker 2: Cringe.
Speaker 1: We're not going to get regular therapy anyway. It's just
so annoying.
Speaker 3: It is very annoying, and so everybody sits down for
this big conversation and we don't even get to all
of it in this episode. We're going to continue it
into next week in the finale, which I do love
very much. But we start the conversation kind of awkwardly
because Kim doesn't really know how to bring all of
this stuff up and how to introduce it. We start
talking about Joshua, well, we start talking about the weather actually,
and then we kind of get into Joshua, and Kim
is the one that says directly to Lydia, like, Hey,
I was pretty hurt by some of the things that
you said on those public podcasts, and I didn't really
appreciate it, like, I'm glad that you shared some of
your experience, but I just didn't really like the way
that you went about it. And then, you know, Lydia
proceeds to cry about it because I think she feels bad,
but I also think she's a little angry because you know,
I'm allowed to talk about my own fucking experience, mom.
Speaker 1: And she's so communicatively repressed she doesn't know how to
say that in the moment, so she starts to cry.
Speaker 3: Yep, And you know, Zach and Lydia again thought that
this conversation was going to be more about Joshua and
not a direct confrontation about her and Zach's behavior, and
so I think she's a bit surprised by this because
she wasn't expecting to have like such a public conversation
with her mom about her mom's hurt feelings. Barry is
also shocked about it too, because he thought that we
were just going to talk about Joshua and like his
memory and stuff. He didn't realize that we were going
to get into all of these hard feelings.
Speaker 2: But is he saying anything?
Speaker 1: He does end up saying something in defense of Kim.
But it's after Ethan says something in defense of Kim,
so Ethan pipes up and says something like, yeah, I
really don't like to talk about the death of Joshua publicly,
and if I was going to talk about it, I
would prefer to talk about his life and how much
I love him and how I miss him. But like,
talking about the actual death does have an impact on
the other people that were there and that it affects
and so me personally, that's not something that I'm going
to do. At which point Barry I think, oh no, no,
Kim says something I forget how it happened. But Kim
talks about like how she struggled after this happened, and
this is when Barry's like, yeah, like, we did the
best that we could to talk to kids in an
age appropriate way about this extremely tragic thing.
Speaker 2: He says that to the camera.
Speaker 1: He does into the circle though, He's like, yeah, you know,
your mom was dealing with a lot of stuff. She
was doing the best that she could, so Barry did
have her back. But Kim's real problem is that Lydia
went on that podcast and talked about the death and
then speculated from there that that was the reason that
Barry and Kim divorced. And this is where Barry's like, no, no, no, no, no,
that is not why we divorced, and Lydia does have
to acknowledge that, Yeah, maybe she shouldn't have said that,
m hm, maybe it was in poor taste, but I'm
going to be like, she has every right to say
that because y'all fucking don't talk. You're not talking to her,
and at this time, when you're getting a divorce, you
guys are making her parent your literal children.
Speaker 2: She's in the dark.
Speaker 1: She doesn't know what is happening. You all are going
against everything you taught her to believe and to do,
and so she has every right to speculate, like what
is this connect to why is this happening? Because you're
leaving your kids in the dark and they have no
idea what's happening, dummies.
Speaker 3: And Lydia even says that in the circle, She's like,
you know, I was kind of left to speculate, and
Kim's like, yeah, I get that, but like this was
a private thing between your dad and I, and like
there were a lot of reasons why we ultimately divorced
and like Joshua wasn't the reason. And Kim to the
camera also defends Barry and says, like, Barry has always
had my back when it came to Joshua and everything
surrounding it, and I will always, like really love him
for that, because even though they've had their problems, like
Barry never once blamed her and never once made her
feel guilty. Like all of the guilt and the shame
that Kim still carries around to this day, like is
all her own and it's all mixed with the rest
of the family, But Barry has always had her back
and I did really appreciate that, and I think that
that's a testament to Barry's character.
Speaker 2: It's a small one.
Speaker 3: Because the rest of it is just such a milk
toasts really is.
Speaker 1: I also loved when Ethan connected the dots here for
Kim as well, because Kim it has a hard time speaking,
just like everybody else in this family. But Ethan is
the one that says, you know, you two, Lydia and Zach,
you are the ones who said, don't go talking about
us to other people unless you talk to us first, like,
don't go behind our backs. And yet Lydia, you went
on a public podcast too, I guess, and you talked
about Joshua, you talked about Kim, you talked about the divorce,
and you didn't even go to Kim first and let
her know, Hey, I'm going to be talking about this now.
Lydia does say, well, I didn't know that I was
going to be talking about that. They asked about Joshua,
and I just answered honestly in the moment, and I
believe her, yes, But there is something to be said for,
like why are you guys telling us how we should
conduct ourselves in this family and being so worried about gossip,
But here you are talking to every about all these
things and also going on actual podcasts and talking about
our business.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the crux of the issue. It's like,
why didn't you just at least warn us ahead of
time that you were going to be going on these podcasts?
Like even if you don't know, which I have a
hard time believing that they didn't know what they were
going to be asked, because a lot of the time,
when you're going on these podcasts and stuff, you're usually
given like, hey, this is like a template, this like
what we're going to talk about are you fine with
these topics? Like, so I think they probably were briefed
on it. Lydia does say like she didn't have time
to really think through her answers, and so I do
give her that she is a little bit young and dumb,
and so she probably didn't think about how this would
impact everybody in the family. But to me, like my
personal opinion, when you're going to talk about something as
sensitive as the death, like a traumatic death of a
loved one, maybe you should be like, hey, you know,
this was like a really sensitive topic, like let's not
talk about this too much, Like it was really hard
for me, of course, and it was because we didn't
talk about.
Speaker 2: It, but like, leave it at that, you didn't know.
I disagree.
Speaker 1: She has every right to talk about it. This is
her life. She experienced it firsthand. Lydia has every right
to say how she feels and recount what she saw
or say whatever she wants. Now, what she should have
done differently is as soon as that podcast concluded, she
should have called Kim and said, hey, yeah, I was
on this podcast. They happened to ask about this. This
is what I said, and I want you to know
because it's going to be public in a month or whatever,
Like she could have given Kim some kind of a
heads up, especially knowing how this is traumatized, not just Lydia,
but like Kim and the whole family. She didn't do that,
And she's young and she maybe she didn't know that
that would be the right or the mature thing to do.
But like, I think she can talk about whatever she
wants to talk about.
Speaker 3: I think that's true in like any other circumstance. I
just think with death, like it's a really sensitive thing
all around, Like you do have to kind of be
careful about stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That's just my thing.
Speaker 3: I don't think that anything Lydia said really was inherently
wrong when she was going on.
Speaker 2: These podcasts whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I think where she kind of overstepped was when she
was speculating about her parents' divorce. I do think that
that was probably inappropriate and a little sensitive. She has
right to say, she does have every right to feel it.
She has every right to speculate and stuff like that.
And Kim doesn't have a right to tell her adult
kids what they can or cannot say. Like you can
be upset about it and you can have a conversation
after the fact and be like, hey, I didn't really
really like that you said that. Maybe we can talk
about it a little bit more and we can clear
the air. That's fine, But she doesn't have a right
to police what they say. I just think when you're
talking about something as sensitive as death, like you, you
do have to kind of tread lightly.
Speaker 2: That's just my personal opinion. I disagree. That's my personal opinion.
I disagree.
Speaker 3: And so then when they're talking about Joshua, Zach pipes
up with his little doll fucking mouth and he's like, well,
Lydia didn't get a chance to talk about her experience,
and anytime that she did talk about her experience, she
was shut down.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, were you there? How long have
you been here, sir?
Speaker 3: Like you've been here for one minute, you've been here
for a year, Like what are we doing?
Speaker 1: You have no idea what you're talking about? And I
assume Lydia told you that herself, But like, this is
not for you. This is the part where you just
sit back and let your wife talk to her family
about the thing that she did that hurt the family.
That has nothing to do with you.
Speaker 3: At all, And I really did not like that he
stepped up and said anything about it. And he's saying
this stuff on the behalf of Lydia or on Lydia's behalf,
and like almost like he's speaking for her. And I
was texting you today that, like, I feel like Lydia's
being a bit misguided here by Zach, because I think
Lydia actually isn't deciphering her own emotions or learning how
to feel her own emotions. I think, in my personal opinion,
y'all can come for me. I think she's making Zach
do it for her because Zach, I think, feels purposeful
to be like, no, this is how you feel, and
like actually, like this is the root of all of
your issues. Is the Joshua stuff, And like, look, maybe
some of his assumptions about the family and their dysfunction
are true, and in the confines of a marriage, like
these kinds of conversations totally happen. Like I talked to
my wife all the time about my family, Like that's
just what you do. But it's still my emotions to process,
just like it's still a Lydia's emotions to process. And
I don't like that Zach is kind of just speaking
for her in a lot of these regards, like Lydia
needs to feel it, she needs to process it, and
she doesn't need Zach's perspective dictating her own experience. Well.
Speaker 1: And also Kim counters to the camera, I've talked to
my kids about Joshua's death, and when they have come
to me, and if they've asked, I've absolutely been there
for them and I've answered them. And so this could
be a case of Lydia trying to share how she
feels with her husband and her husband interpreting for her
what her experience exactly when it wasn't that necessarily we
don't know because we weren't there.
Speaker 2: But like Zach, just shut up, just shut up.
Speaker 3: And I really think he's making everything worse by opening
his little baby doll mouth, Like just shut up for
a little bit, Like it is not your place. It's
not like Zach has been married into this family for
two decades and has been an integral part of the
family dynamic, Like he's literally only been here for a year,
So maybe sit back and just listen and observe, Like
that's where you're supposed to be right now, and Kim
also talks about how she tried to talk to Lydia
about Joshua and the car ride home from Wisconsin, and
Lydia was completely unresponsive and not willing to engage, and like, look,
that's her right too, because it's complicated, like especially if
you have resentment and acre towards your parent and stuff,
like if your parent's trying to reach out at a
certain point when you're still angry, it's.
Speaker 2: Like, oh God, don't talk to me.
Speaker 3: You know, like it's difficult, and Lydia again needs therapy
to be able to deal with that and be able
to talk to her mom, but then to like go
on podcasts, it's just crazy to me. So like this
whole situation is really messy. And so after we get
through the Joshua conversation, then Kim pipes up and says,
does anybody else have anything they want to share? And
of course Ethan is like, yeah, Zach, let me get
my balls out, Let.
Speaker 2: Me put my dick right out the table, and.
Speaker 3: I need to clear some error with you, Zach. He
straight up says that his critiques of other members of
the family are downright disrespectful and an overstep, and you know,
Zach or Ethan says something like, you know, I think
he says it in the preview, so I'm jumping ahead.
But he's like, you know, it's really hard to like
have a relationship with you, especially when you're criticizing everybody else.
And then of course Zach puts on his victim hat
and he's just like, well, Ethan's throwing me out of
the farmhouse, and you know, it's real rich that he's
got these issues with me when I haven't talked to
him about how he called me gay last year and
how he was giving me a hard time.
Speaker 1: Because you're scared. You've certainly talked to the camera about
it though.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: And also, Ethan's still allowed to talk to you about
his criticisms, So just because you haven't come to him
with your issues doesn't mean that there's like this unspoken
rule that Ethan can't.
Speaker 2: Talk to you about his issues.
Speaker 3: Like that doesn't make any sense to me. And I
think the episode ends with Zach to the camera saying.
Speaker 2: Man, so I'm just a problem for the whole family. Now,
I guess he'll just shut up and leave. What am
I supposed to do? Wrestle them?
Speaker 1: My god?
Speaker 3: Dude, bitch baby, he's such a bitch baby. You're crying
about the fact that you're getting called out for criticizing
members of the family that you don't even know well,
like who are you? So we get to the preview
for next week's episode, which looks like it's gonna be
the finale. We're continuing the family intervention where Ethan tells
him tells Zach that it's hard to build a relationship
with him and that he would appreciate if he could
keep his bitch ass baby ass opinions to himself.
Speaker 2: And then we have.
Speaker 3: Barry laughing with Zach about how he shouldn't be exporting
his opinions to lands that don't want to import.
Speaker 2: My god bet boop Bob. And then we have Mariah saying, well, okay.
Speaker 3: I mean, if somebody's gonna judge me, I'm just going
to judge him back, bitch. We have Kim saying that
her and Barry are the only ones that get to
make the decisions about how the kids are raised, and
that kind of gives the impression that Zach is trying
to tell Kim and Barry how to raise their younger kids.
That's what it sounds like what they did wrong the
older kids, y'all. And then Lydia, you know, cries to
the camera about how Zach is just always constantly misunderstood
time and time again, just nobody gets him up. And
then Zach cries to the camera, and that's where he says,
what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to
wrestle them?
Speaker 1: You're supposed to take responsibility for lecturing other people and
for being superior and sanctimonious. You're supposed to have some
self reflection and look at the shit that you've actually
done that has offended somebody, and you're supposed to apologize
for it. That's what adults and actual Christians do, yep, Zachary.
Speaker 3: And sometimes we do the wrong thing, and we're going
to have to sit that sit there and swallow our
pride and accept that we did the wrong thing and
apologize and make amends. But instead we're going to cry
about it, and then we're going to move Lydia to Colorado,
away from the family, because we don't want to have.
Speaker 2: To deal with it and deal with how evil her
parents are and how evil the family is.
Speaker 1: And so now Lydia's going to be isolated. And I
know she's happy and she loves Zach's family, but I
think they are turbo religious as well in their own way,
and so it's going to be harder for Lydia to
awaken and come out of the fog of the religion
that she's a part of, especially if she is taking
on the expected submissive and subservient role of a Christian wife, Like,
she can't question this guy. This guy seems controlling to me.
This guy seems to want to be the one to
develop the narrative, and like.
Speaker 2: Lydia, you in danger, girl, You in danger. You're in danger.
Speaker 3: And I want to clarify, like, look, this family is
not free of any kind of criticism. Like, there's a
lot of dysfunction, there's a lot of toxic bullshit, there's
a lot of manipulation and a lot of red flags
in the family. But where Zach has it wrong is
he's telling people how to live their life according to
what he believes God wants. And that's not okay. You
don't have a right to tell adults how they should
live or how they should act. You can have your
own personal opinions about it, but you don't have a
place especially in a big family like this where they're
all pretty close knit and you can have your arguments
about that all you want. You don't have a pl
as a new spouse to dictate what they should and
should not do, period, end of story. Like you just don't,
especially to people who have faith. Yeah, it's just different
than yours. It's yeah, exactly, it's so arrogant.
Speaker 2: It's so arrogant.
Speaker 3: And again he made it way worse for himself by
being this way. Yes, if he wasn't as judgmental, I'm
sure the family would have warmed up to him, but
they don't like him because of this.
Speaker 2: Well, that was a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't say in the episode that this next
episode was gonna be the finale, but you think it's
going to be.
Speaker 2: It kind of feels like that to me. But maybe
we're gonna have another one after.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have the conversation, they're gonna say
what they need to say to Zach, and then they're
gonna have some sort of a ceremony for Joshua, which
I think is great. Yeah, and hopefully the family can
come together for Lydia and Zach and we can tie
it up with a nice bowl. First season eight eight,
I always forget that's what I think is gonna happen.
But I'm definitely looking forward to it, and.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see honestly, And I'm kind of
wondering if Micah is just not going to be on
the show anymore, because it's kind of funny how he
hasn't been on since like the very beginning.
Speaker 1: That Micah has a boyfriend in Flora, they got it.
It's so inappropriate for us to speculate, but we always
do it.
Speaker 3: I think it's either that he's got a boyfriend or
like some kind of algibatic relationship or something. Yeah, and
or he's fed up with the drama and like being public.
Maybe he is just having a soft exit from the
show and he's like, yeah, I don't really need the money.
Speaker 1: He's quiet quitting. Yeah, he's like our television sets. Yes,
I'm going to miss him. And honestly, somebody in this
family statistically is gay. I think we need the representation.
I would love to have the conversation, especially among people
of faith and how they deal with that. That to
me would be super interesting. So hopefully, if that's what's
happening with Micah. I'm not saying it is, but whatever
is happening with Micah, I hope.
Speaker 3: He comes back me too, and I hope he's happy
most of all me as well.
Speaker 1: All right, well, is there anything else that we should
say to these full raccoons before we get up on
at a here bhs.
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