Speaker 1: Mysteries are fuel for our mind. They give it the
Speaker 1: opportunity to open the strange doors of possibility in search
Speaker 1: of an answer. Some might be solved in a few years,
Speaker 1: while others may lay unsolved for as long as our
Speaker 1: universe continues to exist. There are individuals out there who
Speaker 1: claim to have solved many of the world's mysteries, whether
Speaker 1: it's how the pyramids were constructed or the original herbs
Speaker 1: and spices contained within the Kernel's finger lick and chicken.
Speaker 1: But there are some people out there who do know
Speaker 1: the answer to many mysteries, and they choose not to
Speaker 1: come forward with those answers. They instead decide to fade
Speaker 1: into the shadows and not reveal the truth that they hold. Today,
Speaker 1: the mystery of what happened in Room ten forty six
Speaker 1: remains a mystery, but we will leave it to you
Speaker 1: to decide if the information that we have is actually
Speaker 1: enough to say that it has been solved.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's move on.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this is the story of Room ten forty six.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, sounds already a little bit scary.
Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like Stephen King because.
Speaker 2: Something like a novel of sorts that's like suspenseful.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, because like Stephen King had a room, like
Speaker 1: a hotel room sort of. I can't remember what his
Speaker 1: story was, but anyways, Yeah, there's a few things that
Speaker 1: revolve around it. There's this shining bare room and then
Speaker 1: the room at the Old Ladies in the China. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lots of places occur in horror movies like this where
Speaker 1: it's a specific room.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of what strikes people, the
Speaker 1: fact that this kind of went along with a specific room.
Speaker 1: So the room doesn't really have anything to do with it.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Just occurred in this room and that's about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So starting off, we have a man by the name
Speaker 1: of Roland. Now, Roland was a man who checked into
Speaker 1: the Hotel President in Kansas City, Missouri, which is now
Speaker 1: the Power and Lights District. He checked in in the
Speaker 1: early afternoon on January TEWOD, nineteen thirty five. He registered
Speaker 1: under the name Roland t Owen, but gave no home
Speaker 1: address or any other personal information, and paid for one
Speaker 1: night stay at the hotel. Now, spoiler alert, he did
Speaker 1: stay longer, so I'm assuming he paid for more nights,
Speaker 1: but initially he paid for just the one night's day.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a long ways back, eh. It is
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty five.
Speaker 1: You said, yeah, back into the thirties.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now, this man was dressed rather nice in a black
Speaker 1: overcoat and was around twenty years old, maybe a little.
Speaker 1: I did find accounts that said he was up to
Speaker 1: potentially thirty five years old as the way he looked,
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure he was around early twenties by most.
Speaker 2: Accounts, still fairly young exactly.
Speaker 1: So. He had brown hair and a very distinct visible
Speaker 1: scar below the hairline on right above his left ear. Now,
Speaker 1: it was also reported that he had cauliflower ears.
Speaker 2: I know what that means.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: I had no idea at first because we used to
Speaker 2: watch a little bit of USC and a lot of
Speaker 2: the fighters on there. It's from boxing and like being
Speaker 2: kind of a fighter, right, yes, yeah, well they're not boxing.
Speaker 1: It's common. It's common. Here, I'll read you the right
Speaker 1: up that I put for this. So. Cauliflower ear, also
Speaker 1: known as hematoma orus, is a condition that occurs in
Speaker 1: one's ear when blood builds up between the cartilage of
Speaker 1: the ear and the skin from the ear being repeatedly
Speaker 1: struck or bent, causing trauma on the underlining cartilage, kind
Speaker 1: of like a fingernail going blue after you smack it
Speaker 1: with a hammer or something like that. It's that blood
Speaker 1: up under his nail. Same thing in the ear between
Speaker 1: the cartilage and the skin.
Speaker 2: But it actually never really heals, does it, Unlike our
Speaker 2: nails that do well. It can, okay, So.
Speaker 1: The ear actually begins to swell and like forms those
Speaker 1: lumps of this like fluid which makes it ear resemble
Speaker 1: cauliflower from these like bulges, and if treated immediately, the
Speaker 1: lump can actually go away. Oh okay, not treated immediately,
Speaker 1: then it remains permanently. So what they actually do to
Speaker 1: treat it is they'll take a syringe and they'll suck
Speaker 1: out all that fluid. Oh my god, before it like yeah, pardons.
Speaker 1: So regardless, lovely.
Speaker 2: Hopefully no one's eating at this moment, because that's.
Speaker 1: Just a medical gross I mean it is, but I mean,
Speaker 1: because of this though, it was assumed that he must
Speaker 1: have been like a boxer or wrestler. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what the hotel staff was assuming at the time because
Speaker 1: it is kind of like a common thing scene like
Speaker 1: we see if you watch the UFC ear and he
Speaker 1: mixed Martial Arts, it's common for those guys to have
Speaker 1: cauliflower ears. So they kind of assumed that was his
Speaker 1: occupation or at least pastime.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, Randolph Props was working as a bell hop service
Speaker 1: and he helped Roll into his room that night. When
Speaker 1: he checked in, he carried no baggage with him, so
Speaker 1: Randolph was empty handed and escorted him up to the
Speaker 1: tenth floor where the room was. Randolph would have been
Speaker 1: very professional and courteous as they made their way. The
Speaker 1: hotel was a rather luxurious establishment and had a reputation
Speaker 1: for being one of the finest hotels in the Midwest,
Speaker 1: so he would have been quite quite courteous on the
Speaker 1: way to the room. So as they walked, the two
Speaker 1: of them struck up some conversation, some small talk, and
Speaker 1: Roland mentioned that he had spent a previous night at
Speaker 1: the nearby Malbeck Hotel but found he paid the rate
Speaker 1: he paid for five dollars was rather expensive, so he
Speaker 1: decided to go somewhere else, and that was equivalent of
Speaker 1: about one hundred and ten dollars today.
Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, I was wondering because I was like five bucks, yes, yeah, so,
Speaker 2: but I just have to say to one hundred and
Speaker 2: ten bucks today would not get you like a super
Speaker 2: nice hotel.
Speaker 1: No, it wouldn't. That just goes to show how how
Speaker 1: inflation is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: At any rate, get it at any rate, at any rate.
Speaker 1: The two men eventually made their way up to room
Speaker 1: ten forty six that it was overlooking the inner courtyard
Speaker 1: of the building. Now, apparently he was specifically requested to
Speaker 1: be on the inner part of the hotel for whatever
Speaker 1: his personal reasons.
Speaker 2: I don't know, quieter, or maybe maybe it.
Speaker 1: Could have been, you know, not wanting to be on
Speaker 1: the outside with traffic, yeah people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and because I've requested stuff like that before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's just personal preference most likely.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, as I said, Roland didn't seem to pack too much.
Speaker 1: He actually didn't carry any luggage or any bags with him.
Speaker 1: So when they reached the hotel and Randolph opened the
Speaker 1: room and let rolland in, Roland reached into his overcoat
Speaker 1: pocket and pulled out three items a brush, a comb,
Speaker 1: and toothpaste.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I kind of love that, right, just
Speaker 2: needing that little I.
Speaker 1: Mean for someone staying in this hotel and regarding most
Speaker 1: of the clientele, he sees it was a bit odd.
Speaker 1: But he didn't really dwell on it. So after he
Speaker 1: put these items in the room above the sink, the
Speaker 1: two of them left the room, closed the door. Roland
Speaker 1: locked the door and then handed him the key in
Speaker 1: a way they went sorry, Randolph locked the door and
Speaker 1: handed rolling.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, yeah, so Roland.
Speaker 1: Now had the key. They returned to the lobby together
Speaker 1: and the key now in Roland's pocket. He left the
Speaker 1: hotel through the front doors. So it was a little
Speaker 1: while later that evening, but one of the hotel room
Speaker 1: cleaning staff was making the rounds. This woman's name was Mary.
Speaker 1: Soap dick. Okay, not soap dick, soap tick.
Speaker 2: Okay, Just for the record, it sounded like soap dick.
Speaker 2: But I was just like not going to comment on that.
Speaker 2: I decided in my head, no, you're good.
Speaker 1: Sotic soap tick.
Speaker 2: Okay, soap tick.
Speaker 1: But with the key in there, yeah, soap tick, it
Speaker 1: sounds sounds like.
Speaker 2: Very much, especially the way you say yes.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I was listening to other people cover
Speaker 1: this quite a bit, and like the BuzzFeed Unsolved network guys,
Speaker 1: they covered this quite well. They shortened it a little bit,
Speaker 1: they but they condensed like the main information and they
Speaker 1: had a good laugh over soap diick, which I laughed
Speaker 1: hilariously on her.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be the best last name to have ever.
Speaker 1: No, but I did want to point out it's not
Speaker 1: soap dick, it's soap tick, soap tick.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So anyways, she was now on staff. She was a
Speaker 1: cleaning lady, and she was making a ring way up
Speaker 1: to the tenth floor and she made her way to
Speaker 1: room ten forty six and found rolling inside when she
Speaker 1: opened up. Now, she apologized for interrupting him in the
Speaker 1: room and was about to leave, but he said, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was no problem. She can go ahead and do
Speaker 1: whatever it was that she came to do for her job.
Speaker 1: So she did. She fixed, threw him up, and kind
Speaker 1: of did some like the turnover stuff for like towels
Speaker 1: or whatever she needed to do, did some cleaning as
Speaker 1: per usual. But while she began cleaning, she noticed that
Speaker 1: he had the shades and the windows drawn and he
Speaker 1: left only one single lamp in the room to light it.
Speaker 1: It was rather dim in there. After a few minutes
Speaker 1: pass since she began cleaning, Roland put his overcoat and
Speaker 1: put on his overcoat and brush his hair and then left.
Speaker 1: But before he did He asked Mary that when she
Speaker 1: leaves the room, to leave it unlocked when she was finished.
Speaker 1: Apparently he was expecting some friends soon. Oh okay, So
Speaker 1: where's your head at. What are your thoughts on Roland
Speaker 1: so far?
Speaker 2: You know, my main thought right now, it's just I
Speaker 2: think it's just because I listen and research too much
Speaker 2: to a crime. But I'm just like the hotel cleaners
Speaker 2: that come around and clean the rooms, like that seems unsafe. Hey,
Speaker 2: her going into his room by herself and stuff, that
Speaker 2: was literally where my mind was. I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, that's scary for her. Not that I thought
Speaker 2: anything would happen, but I was just like, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of jobs though today that can put you in situations.
Speaker 1: That's true. And I think like nowadays with rooms too,
Speaker 1: they have identification of people and they have like credit
Speaker 1: card numbers, so if anything were to happen, it's like
Speaker 1: they can track them down.
Speaker 2: That's true. But back then, I feel like shit could
Speaker 2: go astray.
Speaker 1: I don't like Roland didn't even give his address, so
Speaker 1: there's no way of tracking down.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's very mysterious. I have no idea I
Speaker 2: was when I first when you first said she was
Speaker 2: going in the room. I almost was thinking maybe he
Speaker 2: would have he was dead. So I don't know. I
Speaker 2: actually I don't. It's too early on for me to
Speaker 2: be predicting.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell you now that we go
Speaker 1: through quite a bit of information before the incident actually occurs. Okay,
Speaker 1: So there's a lot leading up to what happens.
Speaker 2: Okay. So at this point I can't. I can't predict nothing.
Speaker 1: You can't predict nothing.
Speaker 2: Yet, I can't predict anything.
Speaker 1: Well, Mary wasn't able to predict anything either, and she
Speaker 1: was happy to oblige and continued her work. And she
Speaker 1: did as she asked when she was finished a little
Speaker 1: bit later on, and left his room and left it unlocked. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: at four pm, she returned to his room with fresh towels,
Speaker 1: you know, because when she's cleaning earlier, she took out
Speaker 1: the dirty ones, coming back with fresh ones later.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeap.
Speaker 1: So when she opened the door because it was unlocked,
Speaker 1: she saw Roland laying in the bed, fully dressed, in
Speaker 1: the dark, with the door unlocked.
Speaker 2: Mind you, Oh my gosh, she needs to leave him alone.
Speaker 2: He needs some time here.
Speaker 1: Well, he was wide awake, just staring off into the dark,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure he would have looked her at her
Speaker 1: when she entered.
Speaker 2: See, I feel like he needs someone to talk to her,
Speaker 2: some help.
Speaker 1: But well, he was clearly expecting someone because she also
Speaker 1: saw a note sitting on the bedside table next to him. Now,
Speaker 1: mind you, it was in the dark, but when she
Speaker 1: opened the door, light was spilling in from the hallway
Speaker 1: behind her right, and she was able to read this
Speaker 1: note clearly written and it said, quote Dawn, I will
Speaker 1: be back in fifteen minutes. Wait, huh, Okay, So I'm
Speaker 1: assuming this note was probably on the outside of the
Speaker 1: door at one point and he took it off when
Speaker 1: he returned and just kind of set it down. So
Speaker 1: either way, he was clearly expecting someone by the name
Speaker 1: of Dawn.
Speaker 2: Yes, totally.
Speaker 1: So this man clearly was acting strange and Mary didn't
Speaker 1: know exactly what to make of it. She also made
Speaker 1: some statements later on regarding this case, and she said
Speaker 1: this quote he always wanted to kind of keep in
Speaker 1: the dark. And she also said quote he was either
Speaker 1: worried about something or afraid.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say more so worried.
Speaker 1: You think worried because if he.
Speaker 2: Was afraid and shit, Like, he probably wouldn't just be
Speaker 2: laying on the bed with the door unlocked and stuff.
Speaker 1: If he was afraid, why would the door be unlocked.
Speaker 1: That's a big question.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like it wouldn't be unlocked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So why did you say you don't think he's afraid.
Speaker 2: I think he's more worried. Okay, Oh did I get
Speaker 2: that backwards?
Speaker 1: Or maybe I got it back I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think he's more worried rather.
Speaker 1: Than afraid, Okay, worried about what though?
Speaker 2: I think he's stressed about something. I think his mental
Speaker 2: health is in the gutter. Okay, that's my guess.
Speaker 1: That's a respectable answer. Well. The next day, on January third,
Speaker 1: Mary returned to his room at about ten thirty am,
Speaker 1: room of course, number ten forty six. This time, the
Speaker 1: door was locked from the outside, which must have meant
Speaker 1: that the man had left his room, right, Roland was
Speaker 1: gone because I left and locked it from the outside. Okay,
Speaker 1: But when she opened up the door to go inside,
Speaker 1: it was in there. Clean You think he was in there?
Speaker 2: Shit, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Roland was in the exact same spot, wearing the exact
Speaker 1: same clothes, with the lights out on the bed.
Speaker 2: Wide awake, awake, still hold wait shit, but the door
Speaker 2: was locked from the outside. Okay, this is really fucked up.
Speaker 2: I also be like, if I was in this room,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to be disturbed this much. We're the
Speaker 2: kind of people that go into a hotel and leave
Speaker 2: are like, do not disturbed, tag on and the whole time,
Speaker 2: the whole time, it's like, we don't need our room,
Speaker 2: like done anything to it. We're good.
Speaker 1: No, if we need some new towels, we'll just call
Speaker 1: the front desk. You we'll come down and grab them.
Speaker 2: Like so at this trying to be like, excuse me,
Speaker 2: can you just like fuck, We're fine, politely fuck off please,
Speaker 2: But I mean, this man seems like he needs to
Speaker 2: be checked on.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean she is checking on the room at least,
Speaker 1: so she's getting some of this information, which is good.
Speaker 1: So when she came in the room and saw him
Speaker 1: sitting there, he did allow her to come in and
Speaker 1: clean up again as before. And while she began cleaning,
Speaker 1: she watched as the phone rang. Okay, so Roland answered
Speaker 1: the phone and this is what he said. No, Dawn,
Speaker 1: I don't want to eat. I'm not hungry. I just
Speaker 1: had breakfast. No, I'm not hungry now. After that, he
Speaker 1: didn't say anything else, but he didn't hang up the phone.
Speaker 1: He held on to it and proceeded to talk to
Speaker 1: Mary about her job as she cleaned, and soon she
Speaker 1: finished up and left Now again. At four pm, Mary
Speaker 1: returned to the room good God, again with fresh towels.
Speaker 1: Because this is the process. They go there, they clean,
Speaker 1: the remove stuff. Later they do the realms with fresh towels.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean, yeah, she's doing a good job.
Speaker 2: She's doing her job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's being very diligent getting it done, doing her
Speaker 1: thing thing, Mary Rocks. That's all I gotta say. So
Speaker 1: when she arrived, she could hear two men in the room,
Speaker 1: so she knocked politely before she entered. Now a voice
Speaker 1: responded by asking who's there. The voice was loud and
Speaker 1: deep and it didn't belong to Roland. Okay, She stated
Speaker 1: it was room service with fresh towels, and the man responded,
Speaker 1: we don't need.
Speaker 2: Any Oh, I wouldn't even let her in, yeah.
Speaker 1: Which clearly wasn't true because she removed the dirty towels
Speaker 1: earlier in the day, so she knows they have no towels.
Speaker 2: Right, right, and Roland was always great about having her
Speaker 2: come and do her job.
Speaker 1: Yep. So that night, as it rolled on, was a
Speaker 1: rather unusual one. Another hotel patron by the name of
Speaker 1: Gene Owen was checked into room ten forty eight. Now
Speaker 1: for clarification, the last name Roland t Owen and Gene
Speaker 1: Owen have no correlation to each.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's funny. I was almost going to be like Ben,
Speaker 2: that's the same last name, is that, right?
Speaker 1: I need to clarify now before you guys start going
Speaker 1: down that path. Once the events that were leading up
Speaker 1: to occurs. They talked to Gene. She has a very
Speaker 1: solid alibi and she has no relation.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, thanks for clarifying that. I mean if I
Speaker 2: was wondering, and I'm sure a lot of people were
Speaker 2: so well.
Speaker 1: She reported that she heard men and women talking very
Speaker 1: loudly and profanely all over the floor that night, and
Speaker 1: an elevator operator named Charles Bloacher also reported more than
Speaker 1: normal activity. He began his shift at about midnight and
Speaker 1: reported he was fairly busy until about one thirty am,
Speaker 1: and that there was a large party occurring in room
Speaker 1: ten fifty five.
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, what room was rolling in ten fifty six,
Speaker 2: ten forty six, ten forty six, okay, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Ten fifty five was hosting this rather large, obnoxious party.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So now Charles doesn't remember one particular individual who he
Speaker 1: saw or sorry, he does remember one particular individual who
Speaker 1: he saw on multiple occasions that night, because remember, he's
Speaker 1: operating the elevator, so he's standing in the elevator bringing
Speaker 1: it up and down, letting people to and from.
Speaker 2: That would be a fucking interesting job.
Speaker 1: It would be. I feel like I can only imagine
Speaker 1: the individuals you would have conversation with. Yeah, and especially
Speaker 1: on a night like this when people are drinking the
Speaker 1: shit people are freely gonna tell.
Speaker 2: You because I'm kind of one of those people I
Speaker 2: don't love like repetition for jobs and stuff like repetitive jobs,
Speaker 2: and that would be one. But I'm like, that would
Speaker 2: be freaking interesting. I could do that job. I think
Speaker 2: that'd be dope.
Speaker 1: I think that might be one of the worst jobs
Speaker 1: as far as repetition goes.
Speaker 2: It would, but then you're also having new people in there,
Speaker 2: and it could get really interesting because sometimes I feel
Speaker 2: like the conversations or the way people act in elevators
Speaker 2: is really odd.
Speaker 1: But I think that would get old really fast.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, because that's true, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna put it from my perspective. I did a very
Speaker 1: repetition based job for the last like fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The best thing to make time go by is when
Speaker 1: you flick into autopilot and your mind is somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Oh and you wouldn't really be able to do that
Speaker 2: there because you're having to make small talk with everyone exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think that would make time go by bye
Speaker 1: very slowly.
Speaker 2: But if you're a social individual, not saying that you're not,
Speaker 2: but if you are, like I feel like you could
Speaker 2: kind of really chat and kind of get to know
Speaker 2: with people and the short time they're in there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: even the small talk would probably get pretty repetitive too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can only imagine how many people in a
Speaker 1: single day. You're saying, the weather shitty today, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Raining, it's been raining for the last four days. When's
Speaker 1: it going to ever end?
Speaker 2: It's sure cold out there exactly.
Speaker 1: So I mean, mind you, like you say, there's some
Speaker 1: people that might suit. Some people that are a little
Speaker 1: more conversational or outgoing might be a lot right up
Speaker 1: their alley sort of thing. But I could see that
Speaker 1: getting old quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, so who's to say.
Speaker 1: Anyways, the individual he did recognize was a woman, and
Speaker 1: she'd been at the hotel times before as well, and
Speaker 1: was assumed to be a sex worker. Now, she came
Speaker 1: in sometime around one am. Now, I did also find
Speaker 1: varying time frames on when she came in. Most said
Speaker 1: around like midnight to two, midnight to three or so,
Speaker 1: So I kind of I'm not saying it was one am.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of just landing somewhere in the middle and
Speaker 1: saying one am late in the night exactly, or early
Speaker 1: in the morning. Yeah, And she started by going to
Speaker 1: room ten twenty six, not ten to forty six, okay,
Speaker 1: But she started with ten twenty six, and then she
Speaker 1: was back at the elevator five minutes later as no
Speaker 1: one was at the room, not because the service was that.
Speaker 2: I was like five mites.
Speaker 1: She's good at her fucking job, okay, But yeah, she
Speaker 1: went to ten twenty six, return five minutes later. No
Speaker 1: one answered the door when she knocked, and then she
Speaker 1: would visit ten forty six Roland's room, okay, and then
Speaker 1: from there she would go over to ten twenty four
Speaker 1: and then down to the ninth floor to visit some
Speaker 1: more rooms, and back to the tenth floor, presumably to
Speaker 1: ten twenty six again, but she visited a variety of
Speaker 1: rooms that night. At any rate, the amount of rooms
Speaker 1: or individuals more than likely she visited is unknown. What
Speaker 1: we do know is it was multiple rooms, and Room
Speaker 1: ten forty six was on that list.
Speaker 2: Was one of them on the list? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Then at four fifteen am, the woman made her
Speaker 1: way to the lobby and left for the night. A
Speaker 1: few hours later in the morning on January fourth, at
Speaker 1: about seven am, a new switchboard operator, Della Ferguson, made
Speaker 1: her way into work. One of the first things was
Speaker 1: for her to do on her job was to proceed
Speaker 1: through a list of wake up calls, one of which
Speaker 1: being Room ten forty six. Okay, and these wake up
Speaker 1: calls that she was calling, especially ten forty six anyways
Speaker 1: worse seven am. Sure others were later, but Rowlands was
Speaker 1: seven am. So when she tried to get up to
Speaker 1: his room via the phone, she couldn't complete the call.
Speaker 1: His room's phone was off the hook.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yep, So she.
Speaker 1: Got into the switchboard, realized his phone was off the hook.
Speaker 1: She couldn't even attempt to make the call, so she
Speaker 1: enlisted the help of Randolph, the same bell hop who
Speaker 1: assisted Roll into his room a couple nights prior, who
Speaker 1: was at work, to head up to his room and
Speaker 1: complete the wake up call and inform him he needs
Speaker 1: to put the phone back on the hook. So he
Speaker 1: made his way up to room ten forty six. The
Speaker 1: door was locked with a do not disturb sign hanging
Speaker 1: from the doorknob. He ignored the sign to pursue the
Speaker 1: wake up call. Right he began knocking loudly on the
Speaker 1: door and a voice from inside told him to come in,
Speaker 1: but of course he couldn't. The door was locked, so
Speaker 1: he knocked again. The same voice spoke yet again and
Speaker 1: told him come in and turn on the lights.
Speaker 2: Ah, I wouldn't want to go in, No, ho'll come?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I guess he wouldn't. He
Speaker 2: doesn't know all this backstory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but again, no one was unlocking the door.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't get in.
Speaker 1: He can't get in, So even if he didn't want to,
Speaker 1: he was stuck, couldn't go it.
Speaker 2: Beyond you would think he would have a key of Swortsvill.
Speaker 1: Well, they do, he just didn't bring it up, right, Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: So finally Randolph shouted through the door to complete the
Speaker 1: wake up call and inform him that he needs to
Speaker 1: hang up the phone back in the receiver, and then
Speaker 1: he left walked back down the hallway towards the lobby.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Randolph figured he was most likely drunk or hungover from
Speaker 1: the party on the tenth floor the night prior, probably
Speaker 1: as many guests in that or on that floor in
Speaker 1: the hotel were less than a functional state this morning.
Speaker 2: Right, that is a good assumption.
Speaker 1: So at ten thirty am, the phone in room ten
Speaker 1: forty six was still off the hook. This time another
Speaker 1: bell boy by the name of Harold Pike was sent
Speaker 1: to the tenth floor. The room was ten forty six
Speaker 1: and there was still a do not disturb sign and
Speaker 1: the door still locked, still locked, But this time Harold
Speaker 1: held that room key, so he fitted into the door
Speaker 1: lock and let himself in. Inside the room, as always,
Speaker 1: the lights were off on the bed. He saw Roland
Speaker 1: laying there in the dark, reportedly drunk and naked. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: there were dark spots surrounding him on the bed in
Speaker 1: a dimly lit room which Harold could only assume was
Speaker 1: spilt drinks from having too much fun the night prior.
Speaker 1: He decided decided to leave Roland b and not disturb
Speaker 1: him clearly, as he was in rough shape from the
Speaker 1: night before. So he saw the phone laying there off
Speaker 1: the hook and hung it up quickly by putting it
Speaker 1: back in the receiver and left the room.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I don't feel like he is drunk. No,
Speaker 2: what do you feel like he Maybe he's hurt or something.
Speaker 1: You think so well. This wasn't the end of their
Speaker 1: visits to room ten forty six. It wasn't long after
Speaker 1: that they would be notified by the operator at the.
Speaker 2: Phone in the room off the hook again.
Speaker 1: Was once again off the hook.
Speaker 2: See he's using this phone for help.
Speaker 1: It was about ten thirty am. Randolph was once again
Speaker 1: making his way up to the room. On his arrival,
Speaker 1: he was once again greeted by the do not disturb
Speaker 1: sign and a locked door. He knocked and heard no response.
Speaker 1: He brought up the key, so he thought, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let myself in and I'm gonna put the phone
Speaker 1: back in the hook and anyway we go. So he
Speaker 1: let himself into the room, and when he opened the door,
Speaker 1: he was greeted with a sight he wasn't expecting. Shit
Speaker 1: what Roland was only about two feet away from the
Speaker 1: door on his knees and elbows, and he was grasping
Speaker 1: his head covered in blood.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he.
Speaker 1: Definitely was trying to get someone's attention.
Speaker 2: Yes, he needed fucking help.
Speaker 1: Randolph quickly turned on the lights to see if his
Speaker 1: eyes were playing tricks on him, and that's when he
Speaker 1: noticed there was blood on the bed, blood on the
Speaker 1: walls the bathroom and the hotel room.
Speaker 2: So that dark spot's on the bed was actually probably blood,
Speaker 2: not spilled drinks.
Speaker 1: Then correct, it was blood on the bed, so understandably,
Speaker 1: he quickly ran downstairs for help and returned with the
Speaker 1: hotel's assistant manager. However, as they went open the door again,
Speaker 1: this time, Roland had slumped over and was blocking the door.
Speaker 2: Oh no, they.
Speaker 1: Could only get it open about six inches.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: After a few moments of trying to communicate with them
Speaker 1: and getting him to move, Roland eventually was able to
Speaker 1: stand to his feet and moved to sit on the
Speaker 1: edge of the bathtub nearby. Allowing them to open the
Speaker 1: door and enter. Okay, Using the phone in the room,
Speaker 1: the assistant manager phoned the police and they were joined
Speaker 1: by a medical professional when they arrived. And that medical
Speaker 1: professional was doctor Harold Flanders of Kansas City General Hostel.
Speaker 2: Harold Flanders.
Speaker 1: Harold Flanders. There we go, Yeah, diddally, just throwing that
Speaker 1: out because Simpsons fans know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyways, the scene they arrived to was startling. As I mentioned,
Speaker 1: the room was splattered with blood on the walls, the ceiling,
Speaker 1: the bed, you name it.
Speaker 2: This couldn't all have been his own blood either. Could
Speaker 2: it have been and him still be alive?
Speaker 1: There's no other blood splattered as far as I have
Speaker 1: been aware of. Okay, it is his blood.
Speaker 2: Goodness.
Speaker 1: Roland's head was covered in blood, and it was clear
Speaker 1: that he had been strangled with the cord as his
Speaker 1: neck was bruised and the cord was still wrapped around
Speaker 1: his neck.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: He also had cordage binding his wrists and binding his ankles.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. They probably whoever did this to him laughed,
Speaker 2: probably thinking he was dead.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely yeah, Because he also had multiple stab wounds
Speaker 1: in his chests ah above his heart, and one of
Speaker 1: the wounds was deep enough to puncture his lung.
Speaker 2: Holy hack, and the stab wounds.
Speaker 1: Weren't the only cause of the blood either that covered
Speaker 1: the room. It was clear he had taken multiple blows
Speaker 1: to the head, which left him when a skull fracture
Speaker 1: on the right side.
Speaker 2: Okay, the fact that this man is still alive is
Speaker 2: a miracle, is it not.
Speaker 1: He had been beaten, stabbed, and strangled.
Speaker 2: You had the shit beaten out of him?
Speaker 1: Yes? Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh, the doggles can hear stuff outside.
Speaker 1: I think they're good. Okay, maybe they're just upset with
Speaker 1: all the shit that Roland went through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're reacting too. This is whooa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean what he must have been feeling though, Like,
Speaker 1: think about it, he would have been feeling this for
Speaker 1: some time. When his wake up call was scheduled for
Speaker 1: seven am and the bellahawk knocked on that door, Roland
Speaker 1: responded by saying come in, but did not answer the
Speaker 1: door himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he needed help in there. But he could
Speaker 2: have just said help.
Speaker 1: But he didn't. But he didn't answer the door. He
Speaker 1: was probably most likely bound at this time.
Speaker 2: Oh, like, there could have still been somebody in there.
Speaker 1: There could have been Oh my god, but he clearly
Speaker 1: is at least being inflicted or have already been inflicted
Speaker 1: with these injuries at this time at seven.
Speaker 2: Am, right, so, and then they came up against sorry
Speaker 2: to interrupt, at like ten thirty.
Speaker 1: Or forty or something was seven, eight thirty and ten thirty.
Speaker 1: It would have been three more hours basically before it
Speaker 1: would be identified.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Help, Wow, So at any rate, doctor Flanders cut the
Speaker 1: chords from Roland and asked him who had done this
Speaker 1: to him. M Roland's response.
Speaker 2: Nobody, nobody, this man, this man is very I don't
Speaker 2: know any other word other than mysterious.
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, yeah, that's a very good word for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The doctor was just as confused as you are, though,
Speaker 1: because like, clearly this didn't happen just on its own,
Speaker 1: Like if nobody inflicted these injuries to him.
Speaker 2: Then who Yeah, he wouldn't be doing this to himself.
Speaker 1: So rightfully, so the doctor asked next, well, what was
Speaker 1: the cause of your injuries and simply said he had
Speaker 1: fallen and hit his head on the bathtub.
Speaker 2: Wow, and a cord just miraculously went around his neck
Speaker 2: and all this.
Speaker 1: Other shit suddenly just appeared.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, that is you can't use that one for this.
Speaker 1: No, it was clearly a fabricator store. Yeah. The doctor
Speaker 1: knew something was up, and he thought, well, maybe some
Speaker 1: of these, if not all, were self inflicted. So he
Speaker 1: asked Roland if he tried to take his own life,
Speaker 1: and Roland spoke one word in.
Speaker 2: Reply, no, no, okay.
Speaker 1: And right after that he lost consciousness.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, please did he die? Did he die?
Speaker 1: Well? He was quickly rushed to hospital, and shortly after
Speaker 1: he had arrived, he succumbed to his enter and he
Speaker 1: passed away after midnight on January fifth.
Speaker 2: See. I don't freaking know why, but I have a
Speaker 2: soft ass spot for Roland, you do. I do not
Speaker 2: know why this guy could be super sketch and super
Speaker 2: bad dude, but for some reason, I like am over
Speaker 2: here rooting for him, and I'm like probably going to
Speaker 2: regret that right as shit comes out.
Speaker 1: Well we'll let you decide that, okay. So via his
Speaker 1: injuries and the blood spatter patterns in the room, doctor
Speaker 1: Flander estimated that his injuries were sustained some time between
Speaker 1: four and five am, okay, which is another two hours
Speaker 1: even before his first wake up.
Speaker 2: Call right, he sure lasted a long time like he did.
Speaker 2: Survived a long time with those those kind of injuries.
Speaker 2: It's quite impressive.
Speaker 1: And imagine would he possibly have survived if it was
Speaker 1: discovered at seven am rather than ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Well, not necessarily though that was so long ago too,
Speaker 2: like they didn't have really maybe the medical care that
Speaker 2: we would have today.
Speaker 1: That's true, but it's hard to say. Regardless, though, detectives
Speaker 1: searched room ten forty six and found very little. They
Speaker 1: found his three personal belongings that we discussed at the beginning,
Speaker 1: tag for a necktie that was made by the New
Speaker 1: Jersey company. And they also know did that the shampoo, soap,
Speaker 1: and towels were all missing from the room.
Speaker 2: Now we knew the towels were missing, right kind.
Speaker 1: Of, I couldn't clarify if the towels were replaced or
Speaker 1: if they had just never been replaced once that incident occurred.
Speaker 1: Of yeah, we don't need.
Speaker 2: Any towels, Oh okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm unsure if the towels the towel situation, but
Speaker 1: the shampoo and soap were missing.
Speaker 2: Yeah where did Mary go? Hey? I feel like she
Speaker 2: was just there for that one that was her name, right, Mary, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just there for like that one day.
Speaker 1: Kind of No, she did her job the two days
Speaker 1: and now this morning of the wake up calls is
Speaker 1: when they found him. Okay, so she would have then
Speaker 1: been going to do a job here soon, right, So
Speaker 1: you're just trying to throw he runder the fucking bus.
Speaker 1: Mary sucks at her.
Speaker 2: I was just like, where did Mary go? I like
Speaker 2: to marry?
Speaker 1: You have trying to throw her under the bus.
Speaker 2: Mary's cool.
Speaker 1: We said she did her job for like one day.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe that came out so wrong. I meant like,
Speaker 2: where the hell did marry? Like, Okay, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: stop talking. I do like Mary. Mary did really good,
Speaker 2: but I was just kind of wondering where she was
Speaker 2: this day.
Speaker 1: You're a Mary hater, aren't you?
Speaker 2: I actually really like Mary?
Speaker 1: Is it because your name sounds like dick?
Speaker 2: Well? She needs some props to her, Like, she probably
Speaker 2: didn't have it easy all the time with that kind
Speaker 2: of last name, right.
Speaker 1: And I can't imagine that like a room service job
Speaker 1: in any sort of capacity would be an easy job either.
Speaker 1: I imagine that you're probably dealing with unrually guests on a
Speaker 1: frequent basis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where are my towels?
Speaker 1: I need more soap like this.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like people have gotten more
Speaker 2: assholely as time has gone on. Maybe they weren't as
Speaker 2: bad that then, assholy assholy like. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just think people's expectations and stuff have gone As time
Speaker 2: goes on, they get higher and higher, and sometimes people
Speaker 2: become rude er and ruder? Yeah, should I not be
Speaker 2: saying that on here? That's my opinion. Now.
Speaker 1: It does seem like as the years progress, people seem
Speaker 1: to get more and more ignorant. But it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to fully assess, especially when you're looking back at a
Speaker 1: year like this.
Speaker 2: I wasn't there then, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: But we digress back to this. The fact that they
Speaker 1: didn't actually find much in the room room didn't give them,
Speaker 1: of course, any leads to go with either. However, it
Speaker 1: also gave them reason to rule out a lot too,
Speaker 1: because there wasn't much in the room. For example, suicide,
Speaker 1: there was no knife in the room and Rowland was stabbed.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: So someone else must have been present to at least
Speaker 1: remove the knife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if he did that to himself it would
Speaker 2: still be there.
Speaker 1: Yes. Now, there are also reports of four small fingerprints
Speaker 1: found on the room's phone, which couldn't be matched to
Speaker 1: Roland or any of the hotel employees who'd been known
Speaker 1: to enter that room. It's thought that via the size
Speaker 1: of these fingerprints being smaller, that it's most likely a
Speaker 1: woman or female of the sorts. Okay, but I mean
Speaker 1: this is also a hotel. What if they just didn't
Speaker 1: wipe the room the phone down.
Speaker 2: The last week or something, Yeah, which could very well
Speaker 2: be the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, I don't know if I would
Speaker 1: say that the fingerprints on their phone are very much
Speaker 1: of anything personally. So the story, of course was blowing
Speaker 1: people's minds, and it was published in local papers on
Speaker 1: the front page. As a police tried to reach out
Speaker 1: to the public for assistance, and Detective Johnson told reporters, quote,
Speaker 1: there is no doubt that someone else is mixed up
Speaker 1: in this, which I mean, we kind of already clarified,
Speaker 1: but we clarified via their facts anyway. So the police
Speaker 1: sought help through the press. Both the city's evening newspapers
Speaker 1: carried the story on their front pages. Now, after police
Speaker 1: began investigating Roland's death, it quickly became apparent that his
Speaker 1: name was most likely an alias.
Speaker 2: Really yes, as.
Speaker 1: They couldn't find any records of him when they're wanting
Speaker 1: to notify any sort of family or next to ken Okay.
Speaker 1: In the coming weeks, police followed many false leads given
Speaker 1: on Roland's real identity, and all their trails went cold
Speaker 1: and none of them proved to be real.
Speaker 2: Dang.
Speaker 1: March third rolled around and a funeral was being set
Speaker 1: to lay the mysterious man to rest. So they announced
Speaker 1: in the paper in a column that is burial was
Speaker 1: going to occur, and it mentioned that he'd be laid
Speaker 1: to rest in the city's Potter's Field. Now, the Potter's
Speaker 1: field is a place where they lay to rest unidentified persons, Okay.
Speaker 1: I looked up a little historical thing on that, and
Speaker 1: I guess a potter's field is where they originally would
Speaker 1: be like digging up clay and stuff. But how that
Speaker 1: relates to unidentified people, I'm not exactly sure. But Potter's
Speaker 1: field is unidentified persons are basically that's sad.
Speaker 2: It's kind of sad. So he's probably gonna be laid
Speaker 2: to rest all alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And that's what people are reading in the column,
Speaker 1: And someone somewhere out there read that and decided to
Speaker 1: put that plan quickly to a halt.
Speaker 2: Okay, decided to attend the burial.
Speaker 1: No, not to attend the burial. They decided, he's not
Speaker 1: going into a potter's field.
Speaker 2: Oh really.
Speaker 1: The very same day that column went out into the newspaper,
Speaker 1: they a man from a call from a man who
Speaker 1: requested the funeral be delayed. The man wanted to send
Speaker 1: money to be given to them to use his for
Speaker 1: service and for his burial at Memorial Park in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: because this way he could be laid near his sister.
Speaker 2: Oh, somebody knew what The funeral director, just like you,
Speaker 2: is speechless. Okay.
Speaker 1: After a moment on the phone, he said like, look,
Speaker 1: I've got to be reporting this to the police. I
Speaker 1: can definitely do what you're asking, but just so you know,
Speaker 1: this conversation is going to the police. I can't not
Speaker 1: say anything right right, And that didn't bother the man
Speaker 1: on the phone in the slightest In fact, when the
Speaker 1: funeral director pressed and asked about his death, the man
Speaker 1: on the other end of the phone said Roland had
Speaker 1: an affair with two women while engaged with another and
Speaker 1: the two women got their revenge.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: Then just before the man hang up, hung up, Sorry,
Speaker 1: he said, quote, cheat usually get what's coming to them.
Speaker 1: That's true, That's very true. It's true.
Speaker 2: So but I'm still like, come on, kind of liked Roland.
Speaker 2: What the fuck? I don't like that?
Speaker 1: Well, of course, no one does like any sort of
Speaker 1: cheater in that capacity for sure. But who is this
Speaker 1: man is a big question, and what does he know?
Speaker 1: So regardless of who this man was or whatever, they thought, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's see if this is going to play out as
Speaker 1: a man says. So they listened, they postponed the service,
Speaker 1: and twenty days later, on March twenty third, they received
Speaker 1: an envelope containing twenty five dollars, which is about five
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars today, which was enough to cover
Speaker 1: the service and putting him in the other grave. Okay,
Speaker 1: now there are also two additional envelopes containing five dollars
Speaker 1: each sent to a local floorist for arrangement of thirteen
Speaker 1: roses to be laid on his grave. Wow, with a
Speaker 1: note that said love Forever Louise.
Speaker 2: Oh wow wow. But also thirteen flowers cost the same
Speaker 2: as an overnight hote telling a fancy ass place. Maybe
Speaker 2: it was a tip, maybe who knows, but uh yeah,
Speaker 2: who's Louise?
Speaker 1: The plot thickens well, rightfully, So police watched the grave
Speaker 1: like a hawk in the coming days after his burial.
Speaker 1: They even went as far as being posing his undercover
Speaker 1: grave diggers in the cemetery to see if they could
Speaker 1: find anyone to come and visit the grave.
Speaker 2: That's smart, but no one did. Oh wow, and this
Speaker 2: was next to his sister.
Speaker 1: Apparently not next to Rowland's sister, next to the phone now, oh.
Speaker 2: The phone, the person on the phone sister, yes.
Speaker 1: And not next to him, just like within the same graveyard. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I mean, how are they going to identify who
Speaker 1: that is even when you're in a full ass graveyard.
Speaker 2: So do we even know if this person who phone
Speaker 2: knew Roland? Or he must have I guess, especially if okay, what.
Speaker 1: Kind of stranger would phone in and say, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: going to pay for the full service to go in
Speaker 1: a different graveyard so they're located near my sister and
Speaker 1: then also give information that he got what's coming to
Speaker 1: him because he's cheating.
Speaker 2: Right, But he's still at a soft spot for him,
Speaker 2: like I do, clearly so because he's a cheater, but
Speaker 2: he's still going to pay for him to actually have
Speaker 2: like a burial exactly.
Speaker 1: So my assumption is that sister that he was being
Speaker 1: laid near is probably his fiance or something who may
Speaker 1: have also been killed then, or maybe it was next
Speaker 1: to his own sister. But also that doesn't add up too,
Speaker 1: because we'll figure out something else here later on. But okay,
Speaker 1: things just don't. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: And do we get to learn who Louise is?
Speaker 1: That's all we know about Louise?
Speaker 2: What that shit?
Speaker 1: That is all we know about Louise.
Speaker 2: Thirteen roses so that took sometimes thirteen isn't necessarily a
Speaker 2: good number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also you're thinking Baker's doesn't though too, right, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so because nowadays we just go a dozen roses that's standard,
Speaker 1: but oftentimes like Baker's doesn't because if you drop one
Speaker 1: or one goes bad or one dares right.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, it is noted though, that after the funeral service,
Speaker 1: a woman phoned the Canzie Citist Journal Post newsroom to
Speaker 1: inform them to inform them that they did get him
Speaker 1: a proper burial and he's not at rest in a
Speaker 1: potter's grave. Now. They asked the woman to identify herself,
Speaker 1: but she simply said, never mind, I know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, and then, when pressed further about if she
Speaker 1: knew anything else about the man, she replied, he got
Speaker 1: into a jam, then hung up the phone.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you could consider that a jam for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you killed I'm pretty sure you got
Speaker 1: yourself into a jam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying yeah, But I mean also that
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just going back to the people
Speaker 2: that heard the voices and stuff in his room, and
Speaker 2: they were men. But I guess just because the women
Speaker 2: got their revenge doesn't necessarily mean that men didn't still
Speaker 2: kill him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, my brain just me. I'm just thinking out
Speaker 2: loud here.
Speaker 1: If there are men involved like this, Dawn, potentially he
Speaker 1: could have been someone for hire.
Speaker 2: Okay, see I envisioned down being a woman.
Speaker 1: Don. Well it's spelled d o N, not Dawn.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Okay, I for some reason just went that
Speaker 2: I was a woman.
Speaker 1: Okay, like my dad, his name is Don e O N.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, and typically when you see a female spelling,
Speaker 1: it's dawn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So, Okay, where.
Speaker 1: Am I here? Now? I completely lost track of what
Speaker 1: I was doing.
Speaker 2: You got this? Okay?
Speaker 1: I found it. It seemed like no one would be
Speaker 1: able to identify the man who was murdered in ten
Speaker 1: forty six, that he'd be laid to rest as a stranger,
Speaker 1: even in his new grave, and these mystery mysterious callers
Speaker 1: and history basically would only ever refer to him as
Speaker 1: his alias right roll, which is so odd. That is,
Speaker 1: until one more phone call would come in and identify him.
Speaker 2: Okay, spill.
Speaker 1: It was about a year and a half later, in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six, a woman named Ruby Ogletree from Alabama
Speaker 1: phoned the police. She phoned the individuals who were responsible
Speaker 1: for in his investigation, and she's like, hey, I was
Speaker 1: reading an article that was written in the American Weekly
Speaker 1: about this case with a photo of the man, and
Speaker 1: she claimed that this man looked a lot like her son,
Speaker 1: who was hitchhiking in California in nineteen thirty four. She
Speaker 1: was able to give enough identifying features of the man,
Speaker 1: including the scar over his left ear by his hairline,
Speaker 1: to confirm that this was her son. Wow, and his
Speaker 1: name was Artemis Ogletree, which I fucking love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought Roland was a cool name, and it's
Speaker 2: got better.
Speaker 1: Hey Artemis Ogletree.
Speaker 2: Wow, fuck, I.
Speaker 1: Wish that was my name.
Speaker 2: If Ben ever changes his name, that's going to be it.
Speaker 1: Hey, if I ever have an alias, you damn rights,
Speaker 1: it's going to be Artemis ogle Tree. Like that is
Speaker 1: a pretty cool name that flows so good, it seems dope.
Speaker 1: I'm mister ogle Tree. My name's Artemis Artemis ogle Tree,
Speaker 1: Like hell yeah, like almost a name.
Speaker 2: Like that, that man's going to do stuff or good
Speaker 2: things in his life.
Speaker 1: Just picture this. Just think of like a documentary or
Speaker 1: something memoir or some sort of thing about this guy's life.
Speaker 1: And it's just titled The Adventures of Artemis ogle Tree.
Speaker 1: Like holy shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're judging a book by its cover, you'd
Speaker 2: grab that one.
Speaker 1: Yes, this dude is doing some cool.
Speaker 2: Shit, except that he got got murdered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was definitely doing some shit.
Speaker 2: He's doing something. He's literally really was on.
Speaker 1: Some sort of adventure. Didn't lead him down the right path,
Speaker 1: but he was doing some adventure and that's for sure. Anyways, Well,
Speaker 1: Artemis was hitchhiking. He did start out writing letters to
Speaker 1: his mom while traveling, but did eventually stop. Now there
Speaker 1: is one only one problem here. She was still receiving
Speaker 1: letters after he was killed.
Speaker 2: Really, I was drinking wine at that time.
Speaker 1: But I was like, what, I don't know if anyone
Speaker 1: literally heard Nicole's gulp in the microphone.
Speaker 2: Still writing letters to her after he had supposedly died.
Speaker 1: Yes. Wow. So in early nineteen thirty five, she received
Speaker 1: a typed letter which she found very suspicious, which said
Speaker 1: he She said she that he didn't know how to type,
Speaker 1: so that was a big thing right there, and it
Speaker 1: was written in a very informal style that didn't suit
Speaker 1: his normal writing. So she was very weirded out by
Speaker 1: this letter a bit. And then in May of nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty five, another letter that was handwritten said that he
Speaker 1: was heading off to Europe. Now, in August, she received
Speaker 1: a phone call from a man in Tennessee claiming that
Speaker 1: Artemis had saved his life and the Artemis couldn't actually
Speaker 1: call her himself because he was living in Kyro, Egypt,
Speaker 1: where he had married a wealthy woman.
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: So this man she was on the phone with talked
Speaker 1: to her for about half an hour Now she was
Speaker 1: leary of this man and said that he was like
Speaker 1: kind of off his fucking rocker. But he did also
Speaker 1: seem to have personal first hand knowledge of her son. Wow,
Speaker 1: so clearly he at least knew him. So why would
Speaker 1: some of this stuff he's saying be a lie?
Speaker 2: Okay, my brain is what Also that one letter that
Speaker 2: she got in like, may was it his handwriting or
Speaker 2: like was it his writing?
Speaker 1: We'll touch on that shortly. Okay. They did look up
Speaker 1: manifest for shift ships heading to Cairo within those timelines,
Speaker 1: and no manifest was ever found. Having an Artemis or
Speaker 1: Roland Court. Now police had the man's real name and
Speaker 1: some more information, they were actually able to do a
Speaker 1: bit more investment gating. They didn't find much more though,
Speaker 1: but they did find that under the name Armis, he'd
Speaker 1: actually stayed at another hotel a few nights prior which
Speaker 1: he did say, he did say, and he had shared
Speaker 1: a room with another man. Okay, that individual is unknown. Now,
Speaker 1: the theory here is that that man may have been
Speaker 1: the quote Dawn that we had that written note and
Speaker 1: the conversations to while he was staying in the infamous
Speaker 1: ten forty six. So the final piece to this puzzle,
Speaker 1: though still only speculation comes in the form of a
Speaker 1: man named Joseph Martin. Now, Joseph was later arrested on
Speaker 1: murder charges for killing a man in a hotel room
Speaker 1: that they shared a hotel with and then later shoving
Speaker 1: his body into the trunk of his car. One of
Speaker 1: Joseph's aliases that he used Donald Kelso.
Speaker 2: Oh, my god, my brain. I'm so fucking confuse right now. Okay,
Speaker 2: first of all, when he was in this, I have
Speaker 2: questions because I don't know what the fuck's going on
Speaker 2: right now. So when we had when he was at
Speaker 2: a hotel with the other man, was he checked in
Speaker 2: as Roland or.
Speaker 1: Artemis Artemis, which is why they didn't find it before.
Speaker 2: Okay, and now Don has been murdered. No, no, Dawn
Speaker 2: murdered someone else.
Speaker 1: Don has never been identified this mysterious Dawn. However, the
Speaker 1: theory is there's this individual named Joseph Martin also committed
Speaker 1: and is charged for another hotel murder. Okay, one of
Speaker 1: his aliases is Don is Donald Kelso.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now back to that written letter to Artemis's mother, That
Speaker 1: handwriting just so happens to match Donald Kelso, Joseph Martin
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him.
Speaker 2: Not Artemis though, No, not Artemis.
Speaker 1: But it does match this guy who is now charged
Speaker 1: for another murder.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, this is this is all over the place.
Speaker 1: No full connection has ever been made, which means no
Speaker 1: criminal charges have ever been filed in Artemis's murder case
Speaker 1: in room ten forty six. This case is still unsolved.
Speaker 1: It is still a mystery.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is wild. You always do these fucking cases
Speaker 2: that everyone.
Speaker 1: Just like and they're like, er, yeah, so you didn't
Speaker 1: like this case.
Speaker 2: No, I do like this, But now I'm like the
Speaker 2: rest of my day, I'm gonna be fucking thinking about.
Speaker 1: It, thinking about Artemis Ogle Tree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm just like so curious if that actually
Speaker 2: was Artemis in that room. But then they had photos
Speaker 2: and the mom said that was so.
Speaker 1: They're pretty damn sure that's Armaments. It's like the features
Speaker 1: and everything she gave, Like, this is fucking him.
Speaker 2: But it also makes sense that he would have died
Speaker 2: in that other hotel room. He shared the room with
Speaker 2: the Joseph guy, Joseph Don or Don Joseph or whatever.
Speaker 1: The fuck If it is him who did it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's so much speculation revolving around this case.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that I started at the beginning.
Speaker 1: It is a mystery. It's an unsolved case, but there's
Speaker 1: information here that says it might actually be solved. We
Speaker 1: just don't have the evidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, prove it. Yeah, Well would you say this is solved?
Speaker 1: I think we might have found our killer, but I
Speaker 1: don't think the case in itself is unsolved because clearly
Speaker 1: there's other individuals who are involved. Yes, these jilted women
Speaker 1: for example, He's clearly created this. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: love triangle, but there's more people involved for it to
Speaker 1: be a love triangle. There's three other women in total.
Speaker 1: At least we have someone who wanted him to be
Speaker 1: having a proper burial. Who is that? Have another individual
Speaker 1: who might be one of these three women who said,
Speaker 1: you know that sent the love letter to his grave
Speaker 1: with roses? So who's that? How is she involved? And
Speaker 1: if it is this whole like love relationship, how did
Speaker 1: this Joseph guy aka Donald or don how did he
Speaker 1: become involved? Is he just for hire? Is he related
Speaker 1: to one of these women?
Speaker 2: Is he maybe their new love interest?
Speaker 1: Potentially, maybe he's actually someone who works with Artemis on
Speaker 1: some other thing, and it's something else completely And there's
Speaker 1: just two things that just happened to be going at
Speaker 1: the same time, and one of them is what killed them,
Speaker 1: and we're looking at the other for how this one's involved,
Speaker 1: when really it's not even involved at all. What if
Speaker 1: those women didn't get their revenge? What if someone else
Speaker 1: got to him for something else completely different?
Speaker 2: First, and what happens is if Artemis was in that
Speaker 2: other room with Joseph, maybe they killed someone else. Could
Speaker 2: have been someone else. Yeah, maybe Artemis is a killer himself.
Speaker 1: Maybe so, I think we found the individual to kill Artemis.
Speaker 1: But the whole last story revolving around what had happened,
Speaker 1: how it all happened. Yeah, no fucking clue.
Speaker 2: Mm Wow, this is an interesting one.
Speaker 1: Hey, yep, I found this one and read it.
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