Speaker 1: One of the really cool things about doing what I
do is you get to meet with sometimes and talk
with people who become intellectual heroes to you. And I
don't have very many intellectual heroes because I try not
to have human heroes. But intellectually speaking, Greg Glassman, founder,
former CEO of CrossFit, is that to me. This is
a guy who observed in a multi billion dollar industry
of fitness, no one could actually say what fitness meant.
So he put this amazing scientific mind with which God
has gifted him to work and figured out how would
you define fitness and then how would you achieve it.
People who don't understand the basis of CrossFit don't understand
that that's the way it disrupted the fitness industry by
actually defining the thing people were seeking. Greg joins me
in the studio today to talk about a number of things.
First of all, a huge tragedy that happened in CrossFit,
the drowning of an athlete. I think you find what
Greg says about this balanced and fair and emotional, and
I was taken aback. He's become a friend of mine
and I rarely see this form of emotion from him.
But the athletes in that sport. He loves him. He
also has good friends who still help run CrossFit. But
Greg came here to talk about science and how it's
been destroyed. It's been destroyed by money seekers, people who
are willing to lie in scientific studies. They did it
to Greg. They did it to him to try to
take a CrossFit out. Greg beat them in court, and
my judgment, he's the first to really destroy big Sugar
in court. You'll hear about that.
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Speaker 1: So day is a day the Lord has made, and
these are the times to which God has decided we
shall live. And sitting here with me, my friend, I
am so honored to call you friend, Greg Glassman. We
met just through I guess, the happenings of God. People
said you should talk to this guy Herman. He did
some things, the Rush Limbaugh connection. And I got to
show you run Idaho, you and your family and who
came up here, show you knew an old Idaho. You
told me that day. We're friends now and that meant
so much to me. I never anticipated meeting such a
kind and uneffacing, unassuming man. Thank you for that, but
thank you, and you know it really is a.
Speaker 3: Had I not done CrossFit, were you not Todd Herman
doing Todd Herman things, we still would have met. Because
it was the crowdingers that I ran into at North
forty and I fell in love with their dog, Gus.
I actually been all the way to my house in
Santa Cruse and jumped into the koi pond after the koi. Yeah,
but I met, I met them, and they knew you,
and it was a pretty kind of an old school meeting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well it's been a blessing. And you made
some predictions when you create a CrossFit that people said
could never happen, and I want to talk about that.
I want to talk quickly about the Games this year,
this tragedy with a Lazarre Jusic and what happened there.
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Speaker 1: You predicted you could produce athletes who could squat five
hundred pounds and turn around and run if correct. If
I'm wrong, a sub five minute mile, could perform high
level gymnastics, and could do all these things. Given your
thesis as CrossFit, that CrossFit is constantly varied functional movements
perform that high intensity in order to perform increase work
capacity across broad time and modal spectrums.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's close. Yeah, that's close.
Speaker 1: I'm nervous that to the creator of that, I'm nervous,
but that came true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the first fundamental theorem of CrossFit is
that constantly very high intensity functional movement would increase work
capacity across broad.
Speaker 5: Time and motal domains. Got okay, it's very.
Speaker 3: Close, close enough, and you know.
Speaker 5: That went.
Speaker 3: That went unchallenged, and so people had every kind of
problem you could imagine with CrossFit, but no one said
that's wrong.
Speaker 5: And with time, what I would what.
Speaker 3: Comes to be what you're hearing there in constantly very
high intensity functional movement increases work capacity across broad time
and modal domains. What we have is CrossFit in the
constantly very high intensity functional movement and fitness in the
increased work capacity across broad time and modal domains. Now
what's important here is that we are going to call
an increase in work capacity across broad time and motal domains.
We're going to define that as fitness, and you have
a right to do that. Definitions aren't right or wrong.
They're consistent, since are inconsistent. They're useful or not, they
produce utility or not right. And so you know, if
you're going to call if you're going to call that house,
plant a tiger.
Speaker 5: I'm okay.
Speaker 3: As long as I know that when you say tiger
that's what you're referring to, that Ficus benjamina or whatever
it is, we can we can still communicate. But what
we did was we adopted work capacity across broad time
and modal domains as a definition of fitness. And then
what we told the world is that this will have
application for any and all activities. And that in fact
turned out to be true. And the expression of that
in local communities, and what I mean by expression, the
application of that concept to your friends and neighbors in
the barn gave living proof to the to the very concept.
And so without looking for Japanese string quartets traveling internationally
or heavy metal bands, they came forward to say they
were crossfitters. And this was true of AST or not
its football players, rugby players to fill in the gat
war fighters right, are proud.
Speaker 5: It's huge, sponders, huge.
Speaker 1: Huge thing in the CrossFit community. And my point I'm
bringing this up is part way to bridge into you
come from a scientific background, given the virtue of your
families and your minds, the minds of your parents will
talk about that, but these predictions came true also in
terms of reversing type two diabetes and heart disease and
metabolic disorder. These are things you wrote about. These aren't guesses.
You don't have to guess that Greg said these. Greg
Glassman wrote these things down, so you have a scientific mind.
You've had scientific outcomes, and I want to get to
that real quickly. When I first met Greg, it was
at in person. I've been talking with them on the
phone many, many times, hours at a time. In fact,
Greg was kind enough to invite me down to heat
and his wife's home in your Pataluma, California, and that
was pretty Again this is a word I have used
maybe three times in my life. It was a little
surreal to be driving up to Greg's home and here
are all these legends of the sports sport that I love.
And I had said, hey, what can I bring? Like
Mama raised me that you bring stuff to someone's house.
And Greg was so kindy laughs to Todd, We've got
so much of steak and lobster. And I mean, if
you want to bring something, that's great, but you please
don't feel like you have to. But I know Greg,
and I know is love. I know his love for
the military, I mean Crossfits has been not really joined
at the hip, but has been working with the Navy
Seals and training first responders for years. So I brought
a bag of bone Frog coffee. If you were willing
to bring a bag of coffee as a gift to
a guy with as much financial success as Greg has
and as much Philanthropus E. Gauge as in as how
kind he is with his friend, you must really love
the coffee. I do. Bone Frog coffee is made by
my friend Tim Krookshank, a retired Navy Seal who did
three tours of duty on our behalf, and he was
coached in that by a guy named Dave Stewart who's
a coffee legend. He created Seattle's Best coffee. And I
don't remember the blend I brought. I think it was
probably the Bone Fog Classic. If I did do it again,
I'd probably used the goat Locker blend that gave that
to someone the other day. Funny story about this. I
later wore a bone Frog hat around one of the
guys who helps run Crossfits. It's Greg's partner. This is
Dave Castro, who runs the games. I was wearing a
bone Frog hat. I was at Dave Castro's place at
an event for the Broken Sides initiative, and Greg and Dave,
who was a Navy seal, saw my hat and he
kept side eye in my hat. He finally said, hey,
hey about your hat. I go, yeah, owner that company
a seal. Absolutely, he goes, Pete better be, I said, Dave.
I promise Tim his name is? He said, what's his name?
What's his name? What's his name? I said, Tim Crookshank
was he was a seal in a buds and search.
He was, okay crook Shank, Okay, okay, don't he checked me.
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me just ask you though the games. This tragedy, Lazar Jusick,
he drowns. You know, I looked at the numbers on
this triathletes drowned. It happens sadly, sort of commonly first
death and CrossFit. Horrible tragedy. But as a guy who
ran it and founded it? What do you make of
all that?
Speaker 3: It's it's tragic, and my heart goes out to the
to the athlete and his family, the people loved ones
he leaves behind, of course, But then you know, as
the as the morning eases and you move forward, I
think it's imperative that you look at two aspects of
this and treat them somewhat independently. The first would be
why did we not pull lizarre onto a paddle board
within seconds?
Speaker 5: Why did that not happen?
Speaker 3: And if you don't pay attention to that, I think yourresponsible,
foolish and mature, and probably shouldn't be weighing in at all.
If you think that's all that's important here, then similarly,
I think you're foolish and immature and irresponsible. There's more
to it than that, though, that is important and independent
of the other aspect. And the other aspect is why
does a professional water polo player in the prime of
his fitness in life drowned on the finish line of
a of a nothing race. Athletes die in sport, Swimmers
don't die at swim meets, and when you look at
those triathlon deaths, and boy, you know these are made.
Speaker 5: The list of.
Speaker 3: A multi sport and triathlon athlete deaths within hours of
being passed away. But if you look at that list,
and there's an inordinate number of the people that have
dried in water. And the typical kind of scenario is
someone in their forties to sixties at a triathlon where
there isn't been a screening to the extent there was
here and this was a professional event of professional athletes,
and and they lost a kid tragically and they got
to figure out both. We need to know what happened
to lizaar that he fell into the water, and that
may have been something that would it may look like
perhaps he should have been decued from even being in
a competition, but I don't know.
Speaker 5: We'll have to know.
Speaker 3: Something went horribly wrong for a professional water polou paper.
Everyone else came.
Speaker 5: Out of the water running Okay, here's a guy.
Speaker 3: That couldn't couldn't do it at the end, and so
there was some kind of crisis, I would presume, And
in terms of the rescue, I want my responders the
expectation would be, and I know Dave would feel the
same that, yes, you don't care if the person's dead
or cramping. You want them onto the board and towards
help as soon as possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, Dave is he's he was a Navy seal.
The you know, the ethos there is you don't leave
anyone behind. You never live on. If Dave was there,
he would have been in the water. I mean, if
he was there, Dave would have polled out of the
water himself. Yes, I don't have any doubt about that.
I don't know him well, but you do so from Crossfits,
you know in this tragy. Thanks for responding to that.
Speaker 3: I want to add one piece to this, please Well,
I think it's important, and that is we learned from
our support of infant swim resource that is, CrossFit was
huge in the space of infant toddler child drowning and
we committed an enormous amount of resources to that of
every sort imaginable, from attention to cash. And I have
ten kids and nine of them have been through the
ISR program, could swim before they were six months old,
would float at least. And there's a myth of hypervigilance
that with another attention on someone you're gonna prevent him
from drowning. And it's just not true. And I can
give you story after story after story of hyper vigilant
mothers losing a child's drowning.
Speaker 5: And I mean as simple as is.
Speaker 3: Put a kid on the floor, turn around, put the
bottle and refrigerator, turn around. The kids gone. There's a
search of the room, the house, the other rooms. There
was a doggy door behind the bookcase. The kid made
a five foot crawl out. The door was in the pool.
They didn't find him till it was too late. And
you know that's hard. But Dave's going through a lot
of that. I mean, he's tortured by this. Of course
he is. Yeah, I knew he would be. I knew
he was ill prepared for this because nobody is. There's nothing,
there's no there's no amount of kicking indoors, killing terrorists
that's going to prepare you for someone.
Speaker 5: Drowning while you're watching, you know. And but the community,
community will survive it. It won't be the last time. Either.
Speaker 3: Someone's going to have a heart attack on a rope climb,
and then the rope climb is going to be dangerous.
You know, it happens. I remember once and I said
this would be an inside. It'll be quick I remember
once watching a client after a long warm up start,
a process of a beginning warm up for a run
at bench, and we had ninety five pounds on the
bar and he was just gonna moment. We were moving
in the direction of like four twenty five, four point thirty.
Speaker 2: Just.
Speaker 3: Reaching down towards the bar. He ah did that classic
reach behind? Yeah, And I'm like, dear God, David, another's
six inches and it would have been a deadlife accident.
But as it was, it was what what happens to people,
you know, And so things happened, and something happened horrible
to the bizarre, and they didn't catch.
Speaker 5: It, time to pull him out. And yep, everyone feels bad.
Speaker 1: Thanks for commenting on it. I know it's painful for you,
even though you know this far removed obviously, the sports
was a birth of lacked and love for you. You know,
my friends Steve and James are doing something in the
way of disruption similar to what CrossFit has done and
what Greg Glassman's done. They also are looking at the
way science or scientific rigor has been broken in the
United States. They look at it from a perspective of healthcare.
Healthcare has become medicine and surgery. That's what healthcare means.
What pill can we give you in what way can
we cut you up? Because those are the profit centers.
When Steve got the idea to create Renewed Healthcare, it
was based off something that happened to him. He got
a terrible disease and he was told the prognosis is
not good. You're going to lose a bunch of mobility.
You're going to be very, very unhealthy, and he went
into research mode. He found the treatment that addressed this
and turned it around. He had to fly around the
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show family. That's renew dot Healthcare. You got attacked using
bad science. Big Sugar came at you. This is when
I probably the first time people started calling you about
me is I did an hour on this on Russia
and Bass Show.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 1: Rest of the maha about you getting attacked by Big
Sugar and you beat them, you destroyed them in court,
and they had effectively faked up research to show that
CrossFit injured people more commonly than global gems. And the
way that I mean, the way you found this out
was emails and finartsic discovery, when I think the principles
are saying, we don't have these emails. And then it
went before the judge, and the judge basically ordered a
different firm to come in and do forensic accounting of
the emails. And can you tell a little bit about
how they faked up that science because this can bridge
us into the Broken Science Institute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the National Strength and Conditioning Association published a study
that should a cross it was remarkably effective, but it
at an unacceptable cost due to injury. And on cursory
examination of the figures, what I saw was, I think
it was a sixteen percent injury rate and there was
no other dropouts from the program.
Speaker 5: And I knew damn well that if.
Speaker 3: You expose people across the CrossFit, you'll lose twenty five
percent that are just going to go home aware of
what it's going to cost to be fit and don't
want to participate anymore, so there should be a quarter
that just disappear, because that's not for me kind of thing.
But they had sixteen percent injured in no walk away,
and so I said, we need to look more closely.
And it didn't take long until we found that that
this just wasn't true, that it hadn't happened that way.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 3: We then immediately just started going down the core the
Committee on the Cope, Committee of Publishing, Search, publishing ethics,
whatever it is that we went by this international agency
standards for what the responses should be to UH to
studies that you know, to be fabricated or falsified or
plays arized, and we called their attention to it, and
they just let us know and unknowing certain terms, that
they were going to do nothing about it. And so
we did something that had never been done before. I retained,
had kept hinder constant retainer. A smile because my relationship
with Lathan Watkins is long, profound, close and something I'm
proud of. But Lathan Watkins brought a team of Manhattan
white shoe attorneys to Ohio and set up camp in
this in this little town and deposed every single person
involved in this study, every single person. This was millions
of dollars. I mean, these guys are making four hundred
fifty dollars an hour, and you got a team of
them and they're and they're they're living there, right, And
they deposed everyone involved. And so we had the reality
and we asked for some emails. They said they didn't exist.
Speaker 5: We had some of them. We showed the judge.
Speaker 3: She got pissed off and ordered a forensic evaluation of
their servers, cell phones, iPads, and they started destroying equipment.
iPad cell phones we don't have them in computers.
Speaker 5: But it didn't work.
Speaker 3: They still, we still got our hands on an amazing
tranch of material. The National sent Conditioning Association had more
emails on CrossFit than CrossFit had on its servers about CrossFit. Wow,
they knew more about us than we knew about ourselves.
And they told the judge they didn't see this a competitor.
But the guy that testified to that effect had we'd
seen an email that was his competitive analysis of CrossFit.
He came to the sert he set on his own dime,
but we had an email where he was asking to
be reimbursed for his going on this trip, and so
then the federal judge just started referring to him as
the perjurer in the case. Yeah, but she said this
was the most egregious behavior that she'd seen in thirty
five years on the bench, and this is someone had
sent people to jail forever. Now, mind you, this was
also going on in the state court because early in
the process I referred to the NSCA and the American
College of Sports Medicine is soda horse. So they ha
they sued me for that.
Speaker 1: Gosh, they sued you for calling him soda horse.
Speaker 3: Indeed, and Russ Green and CrossFit me by name, Russ
Green by name, and maybe Russ Berger was in there too,
So we all got picked up in this suit and
state court for calling him soda horse. My attorney's line
was calling someone a whore doesn't have any meaning. And I,
during this deposition, interjected, Oh, I have a meeting. I'll
tell you exactly what I mean by big eye roll.
And here it came, and it's it's taking cash for unethical, immortal,
hidden secret activities. What it is, you know, That's what
That's why I'm calling you a soda horse. But they
said they didn't have any interaction with soda. We showed
some interaction with soda, and the state judge demanded a
forensic review of their servers. Again the same We got
it from the state court, and he also let us
know that he was aware of the perjury in the
in the federal case.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: And what had happened was that one of the guys
that perjured himself.
Speaker 5: In the in the.
Speaker 3: In the federal case admitted in deposition in the state
case is to having lied before and at these judges
were the federal judges and the state judge were both
in San Diego, and the question as to whether they
may have contacted one another became immediately apparent that these
guys were trying in state court.
Speaker 5: What they what they were losing at in federal court incredible, And.
Speaker 3: So we got inference sanctions that granted us all the
particulars of the case.
Speaker 5: And that was.
Speaker 3: The the uh falsification and fabrication of data. And in
fact we get all the even the tiny elements that
you disseminated, this international, this information a cross state lines
that it would be natural and right to presume that
this would hurt It did indeed hurt I mean every
element that was needed that you'd have to and so
our Lathan Watkins guys are going, I've never seen anything
like this. We were handed every element, everything we'd want
to prove. There's nothing left to adjudicate, there's nothing less
to litigate other than penalty. At this point, we were
handed every single part of this incredible and it took
academic interest, caught academic interests for this reason.
Speaker 5: It was there have been. There's a hall of fame.
Speaker 3: In fact, this is part of what we collected broken science.
But there's a hall of fame of scientific misconduct stunts.
There's a taxonomy of it. You can go by nationality
or by field Alzheimer's research or coming from Egypt or
whatever you like. There's a there's an enormous body of
work in that in that space, but it typically in
every case seemed to involve one or two miscreant science
tists within an organization. Specifically while at a university, you're
in some kind of you know, international body.
Speaker 5: But what we.
Speaker 3: Had with the NSCA was an entire organization committed to
a scientific misconduct you know, procedurally almost a statute.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also also with funds that couldn't be explained. They turned
their pockets inside out, got nothing. Judge orders them to
give us four million dollars within thirty days, and they
come up with it.
Speaker 1: I mean, how did that happen?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And it was funny because I'm going to where the
hell did they get the money? And I go, maybe
we shouldn't take it because it could be illegally dishonestly gotten.
In my turns at though, just take the money. We
know where they got it. Yeah, we know they got it.
They got it from from their sugar daddies. Isn't that perfect?
They got it in the sugar dady.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 3: They couldn't Those organizations couldn't keep their lights on without
their soda support. Yeah, couldn't keep their lights on.
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And right right, So this happens, you are exposed then
to wow academic skulldugree, lying, frauds, perjury, and then we
get to this era. If you're watching this, by the way,
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on YouTube. Okay, the COVID era comes about, and a
couple of things happened. At that point. You put out
a tweet and it was related to George Floyd, and
you said, oh great, now we.
Speaker 5: Get it directly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now we get Floyd nineteen. I know what you
were saying. I looked at that and said, Greg is
making a commentary on this is a very sad thing.
This This man had a sad life. This is sad
that a man died. I know your heart. But you're
also saying, Okay, now we're going to get We're going
to take this case and pretend this is happening all
around the world. It's going to be blown out, pretending
that this is common everyday thing, like they did with COVID.
And that's what I saw from it. Maybe I'm make
sure that I hadn't meant you yet. Let me give
my quick perspective on this. Ichimmy was in this country.
It was Imperial College in Europe in London, but the
ihimmy at University of Washington, Seattle had led in the
model production that forced this lockdown and the silly Mass
and everything else we went through a promoter a vaccine
that was far from ready unless it was ready, and
to do what it did.
Speaker 3: Their role in what went wrong was critical, and it
came about to some science and when their models fit
and were failing publicly and obviously, rather than come back
with I'm sorry, they doubled down and said they were
now going to turn their models on the disease of
police brutality. And it was at this point that I said,
you mean what like Floyd nineteen And my follow up
tweet was an extended quote that I had pulled from
the CDC on a study that I pulled from their servers,
and it was a retrospective historical analysis of the impacts
of quarantine. And what they said was that in all ages,
in all cultures, and everywhere, all cultures, all ages, and everywhere,
quarantine ends with race riots. And I quoted that, put
the quotes around it, test it myself, pulled the quote,
threw it into Google, took me right to CDC property,
CDC dot gov. There I am That tweet was called racist.
And what we had we got our race wars. By
the way our race riot we.
Speaker 1: Did, we got something else. The IHME was funded by
Bill Gates Bill Gates at the time this was going
on with spending and to some people this is a
lot of money, four hundred million dollars to go get
positive media coverage show he could be the Papa of
the vaccines, the mr Anda injections, which in my judgment
are not vaccines. Then, Greg, we also had in England.
You mentioned the organization over there. I believe his name
is Neil Ferguson. He was he was wrong on mad
cow disease. He's been wrong monument and always on aids,
always in this, always in the direction of catastrophizing things.
And remember this, he and his adulterous girlfriend went trapesing
about London after positive tests. So this comes up, and
your scientific minds is looking at all this.
Speaker 3: And I'm going in with Peter Goucher, who was one
of the co founders of the Cochrane Collaboration, who has
publicly called out Bill Gates in his foundation and his
ahe PV vaccine as being far from a good thing.
And I'll keep you out of any kind of band turf.
But when I had Peter out to my house, I
knew that he had challenged the authorities on mammograms for everyone,
starting with little girls and benefactive. He had called into
effect the science behind all psychoactive medications. He had specifically
pointed out that antidepressants in pedes creates suicide in significant numbers.
And so this is my buddy I'm hanging with, and
I told him, dude, you're gonna.
Speaker 5: Get whacked, and he did.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 5: They got rid of him, and.
Speaker 3: He was accused nefariously, nebulously of improper contact and attitude
and comments around women, but with no particulars ever to
come about.
Speaker 5: And we had guys like Gay and I and not.
He's saying, I may not agree with Peter on everything.
That's John Beina.
Speaker 3: I may not agree with him on everything. You don't
agree with anyone on everything, So that doesn't need saying, right.
What he's saying is there's views he has that I
would prefer.
Speaker 5: Not to be have pinned on me.
Speaker 3: And that would be most of them, honestly, like the
question on mammograms, like the HPV vaccine, like the vaccine
industry in.
Speaker 5: General, right on and on and on.
Speaker 3: But ian Oti said he's the most important medical researcher
in all of Europe.
Speaker 5: He didn't matter, he got sense.
Speaker 3: He got censored, and then John got his John paid his,
got he got He's been he's been.
Speaker 5: Semi banished to the hinterlands.
Speaker 1: You were watching this with these Cobracawber people. I was
watching it from a perspective of media, and I'll tell
you something, Greg, I never thought I would see this day.
I'll never forget this in morning radio. Those two doctors
from Bakersfield, California, remember this. They held a press conference
and all they said was, look, none of this makes
any sense. They said, the CDC has the biggest largest
meta analysis of analysis on asks, six studies forty eight years,
including a trip to Mecca. Masks don't stop the transmission
of upper respiratory viruses. That's a conclusion from the CDC.
They had the lockdown thing. They mentioned that quarantines, we
had the Spanish food. They went through all this, and
then they said the death rate from this is a
survival rates ninety nine point eighty four percent. Unless you're
super sick and super old and super fat, this isn't
going to kill you. Greg. I saw that press conference.
I went to my producer grabbed this and he's grabbing
it and he gets to Mayoga's Todd they just took
it down. It was down from Twitter at Facebook and
we had to chase it and get to Bitshoot to
get it. And I'm looking at this, watching this happen.
Here's where broken Science, I think can save academia lives
is establishing what actually is science because I learned it's
the science.
Speaker 2: Greg.
Speaker 1: I didn't know there was such a thing as the science.
But let's start with what is. Isn't there some process
or something and take us through the Broken Science Institute.
What you're doing.
Speaker 3: Defining science is critical, and it would shock you to
find out how few people, even amongst scientists, can give
any kind of reasonable sense of what science is. And
that's a national tragedy. The sad part of that is
that it's it's really crazy simple, wonderfully elegant, and you know,
you resist. Everyone resists a quick nap conversion of that.
But we need that in order to communicate to people
what science is, because science is one of these endeavors
that you cannot know science until you know what it
isn't it. Maybe it may be unique in that regard.
I wouldn't tell you studying the clarinet to know how
it's not like the French horn.
Speaker 5: Maybe I've got that wrong, Maybe it is that way.
Speaker 3: But in the in the space of science, we find
ourselves committing in an order an amount of effort to making
sure that everyone understands what science isn't. And so are
you asking me to take that jump to give the
quick because and it's kind of fun. I almost hate
doing it because I like asking people, especially in groups,
what science is. And this isn't my parlor trick.
Speaker 5: I learned this from my own man watching him do it.
Speaker 3: But you can take a room full of scientists and
ask him what science is and put it on the board,
accept everything they give you. Now throw astronomy astrology up
and my dad would take the role of the astrologer.
And I'm now going to accept everyone's definition that you've
put up here, element by element, and tell you how
it is exactly what I do is an astrologer. And
the truth is, until you put that lineup of the
predictive strength of your models, until you see that you
have not found the demarcation, and that philosophically is critical.
Speaker 5: If anyone's going to take anything.
Speaker 3: Away at all, it's that is that science earns our trust.
Science finds validation science that holds its objectivity in the
predicted strength of its models.