WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:01.439 Oh, bed of Fessor. 2 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:48.399 Oh, hello, and welcome to the show. This is the 3 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:52.520 Cult of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan. I'm Jacob 4 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:56.560 and today we have a very special guest, Brandy Anderson. 5 00:00:57.119 --> 00:00:58.119 Welcome to the Cult. 6 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:00.920 Hey, it's great to be here. Thank you for having me. 7 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:03.560 Super excited about this conversation. 8 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.959 We were talking a little bit pre show and you 9 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:10.000 came on to Meta Mysteries about a year ago and 10 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:12.359 it's just been one of those stories that we always 11 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.879 think about and it's hard to comprehend, but it is 12 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:20.599 so magical and awesome. But if you would, I mean, 13 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.359 you know, let's could you tell the good cult members 14 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:25.879 maybe a little bit about your story and about you? 15 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:26.840 Sure? 16 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.680 Yeah, Well, my name is Brandy Anderson, and i am 17 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:33.040 a spiritual director and a Unian coach and the co 18 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:37.640 host of Transcending the rabbit Hole podcast and Spectral Symposium podcast. 19 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:39.680 And I'm also the author of Through the Veil, a 20 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:42.840 Glimpse into the Afterlife. So that's a little bit about me. 21 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:46.719 I had a spiritual awakening in twenty fourteen and that 22 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:48.959 sort of sent me on a journey of seeking out 23 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:54.000 ultimate truth. And throughout that journey, in the course of time, 24 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:57.079 my grandmother came to the end of her physical life, 25 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:02.480 and as she was crossing from the physical realm into 26 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.760 the quantum realm, she sort of got stuck. And in 27 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:10.120 the process of well, I should back up and say 28 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:12.759 that when we come to the end of our physical lives, 29 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.800 the veil between the physical and the spiritual becomes kind 30 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:19.159 of thin, and it creates a space where often people 31 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:21.719 on their deathbeds will see loved ones, you know, in 32 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:25.120 the room that have already crossed, people who aren't there, 33 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:28.840 that type of thing. And so but at the moment 34 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.759 of our actual passing, the veil that's already thin just 35 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:34.840 opens entirely, creating a portal, and we just slipped from 36 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:39.400 the physical, from the yeah physical, into the spiritual. And 37 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:42.240 in my grandmother's case, she was really resisting death. She 38 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.520 had an aversion to death. She was afraid to die, 39 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:47.639 and so she was really holding on and in her 40 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.960 passing she kind of got stuck momentarily and it created 41 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:54.919 a situation where her portal remained open, and so she 42 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.319 found a way to sort of push her way back 43 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:01.280 into time and space and have sustained communication with us. Uh, 44 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:04.560 probably a month month and a half after she crossed. 45 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.599 The first activity began in the house where she lives, 46 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:10.080 which I don't I don't live in that house. It's 47 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.560 family members who live there. But uh, what happened the 48 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:17.800 first the first communication attempt, The television popped on by itself. 49 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.159 It's a Roku smart TV. It navigated to the search 50 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:24.159 feature and the word hello just appeared in the search bar, 51 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:28.360 and my family ran shrieking out of the house in fright, 52 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:34.000 and they called me, and I immediately thought that it 53 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:36.599 was a hacker, someone in the physical realm was hacking 54 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.639 into the television, playing a distasteful prank. And so I said, well, 55 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:44.319 check parameter camera cameras, you know, like rule out any 56 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:48.439 any physical activity. And they checked, and they couldn't find 57 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:51.520 the source of anything. And uh, but in the course 58 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:54.439 of time, it just persisted, like the TV would pop on, 59 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:57.120 a word would appear, everybody would freak out, the TV 60 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:00.960 would shut off. And so finally I said, why don't we, 61 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:04.280 you know, entertain whoever or whatever this is. It's not 62 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:07.120 stopping and it's affecting your quality of life. My aunt 63 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:09.280 had moved out of the house, she was so rattled 64 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:12.120 by it. I said, so maybe we should just engage 65 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:13.439 with whoever it is and try to get to the 66 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.120 bottom of it, see what's happening, and try to stop it. 67 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:19.000 And I really, in my heart of heart's thought, it's 68 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:23.000 someone in the physical realm. There's a physical phenological reason 69 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.639 for this. But as we engaged, you know, and as 70 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:28.920 I sat and engaged with whoever it was, it became 71 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:31.079 quickly apparent that it could not be anyone in the 72 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.839 physical realm, because whoever it was could read our thoughts 73 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:38.399 in real time, and it rocked us. And I remember 74 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:40.519 sitting there thinking like I would be thinking a question 75 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:44.079 in my mind and the answer would be typed you know, 76 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.720 on the screen in front of me as I'm thinking it, 77 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:50.959 before I even articulated it. And so after a couple 78 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:53.240 times of that happening, you know, I started to test 79 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:56.680 it in my head. I would think something really strongly 80 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.040 and see and sure enough, you know, the response would 81 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:00.160 just be issued. 82 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:02.279 So real quick, real quick. 83 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:04.680 Not to interrupt, but a couple of questions with this 84 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:07.120 story thus far. Okay, so you said that you had 85 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:10.360 a spiritual awakening. You said twenty twelve or twenty fourteen, 86 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:14.720 twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen. Okay, So may I ask what 87 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.560 is your background as far as, for lack of better words, 88 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:21.319 religious beliefs goes. Were you brought up a certain religious faith? 89 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:25.120 Were you in a pretty agnostic household? Where is your 90 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:26.120 background in all of that? 91 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:29.519 Well, I was raised in a Christian family, although we 92 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:32.600 weren't avid church goers. I mean, I would have identified 93 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:34.560 as a Christian my entire life, but I have to 94 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.560 admit I really wasn't practicing any form of religion. I 95 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:40.720 was not following Jesus, sure, because I would have said 96 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.079 that I was a Christian. But then after my spiritual 97 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:47.120 awakening in twenty fourteen, I did plug into some churches, 98 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:49.920 and I would have identified as a Christian and was 99 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:53.279 really following Christ and really digging in one hundred percent 100 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:57.000 with all my heart, and really wrestling with theological and 101 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:00.319 philosophical questions. So by the time my grandmother crossed, I 102 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:02.879 would have identified as a Christian, although I was probably 103 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:06.480 in a more contemplative space, more like gymsticism. 104 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.759 Yeah, so what year did you say your grandmother crossed. 105 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.120 I believe it was twenty eighteen. It'll be it'll be 106 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.600 four years in September. 107 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.839 Okay, so twenty fourteen, you have this spiritual awakening, you 108 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:24.079 still identify as a Christian, at least in some flavor variety. 109 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.800 Right, we can get into the details of this denomination 110 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.480 versus that it's not important here, but you would have 111 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:32.839 identified yourself as a Christian at this time your grandmother 112 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:36.079 passed away, crossed over, as you have said, in twenty eighteen. 113 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:39.040 Actually now it was four years ago, so it's twenty 114 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:41.279 twenty one. I'm sorry. I was thinking of another pivotal 115 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:44.360 moment in my life in twenty eighteen, Yes, twenty twenty one, Yes. 116 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.680 Okay, twenty twenty one, when she crossed over? Yes, okay, 117 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:48.040 got you. 118 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:48.519 Now? 119 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:52.600 How long did it take between her crossing over for 120 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:56.439 this first Roku Hello moment to take place? 121 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.279 About a month to a month than I had But 122 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.759 I have to say it was when when she crossed, 123 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:06.800 her television was not a smart TV in her home. 124 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:11.279 She crossed, and then my family member bought a Roku television, 125 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:13.319 placed it in the living room in place of the 126 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:17.519 television that was there, and within days the first attempt 127 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:18.959 came through. So it was like a month month and 128 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.759 a half after she crossed, but right after the Roku 129 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:24.759 television was brought into the house. 130 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:25.600 Okay. 131 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.680 So, and when y'all first got that message, initially, I 132 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.319 would have the same thought, Right, this is a hacker 133 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:33.399 because anything that is smart, anything that. 134 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:35.759 Is hooked up to YouTube or you to excuse. 135 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:37.879 Me, the Internet or Bluetooth or any of these things, 136 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.079 it is hackable. So it would make perfect sense to 137 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:44.759 logically assume that this is a hacker of some variety 138 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:46.279 that is just playing a prank. 139 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.839 Okay. And how long did it take for you. 140 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:52.720 To actually engage with it, like you're talking about, rather 141 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.519 than start thinking it was somebody of the physical realm, 142 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.399 And in that regard, maybe a. 143 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.800 Month, okay, because they would call me they were frightened, 144 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:04.040 and I don't, like I said, I don't live there, 145 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:06.879 and you know I would give them advice. Well, you know, 146 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:08.879 I was like pray and sage in case it is 147 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:13.639 something spiritual, something malevolent, you know, it's check the remote, 148 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:16.920 replace the batteries. I mean, all of the logical things 149 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.720 in my mind. Check the parameter, check the cameras. And 150 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:23.079 finally it just persisted. And so I went there myself, 151 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.720 and for the first time everyone sat down and didn't 152 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.360 run out screaming. When the television popped on and the 153 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:33.200 activity began, and so we as we engaged, Like I said, 154 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:36.440 it became apparent quickly to me that it was not 155 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.000 someone in the physical because they could read our thoughts 156 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.399 and they knew things that we had never told another soul, 157 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.519 like deeply personal things that we had never shared with anyone. 158 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.879 And it was I mean, it rocked us when we 159 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:51.320 realized that deeply spiritual in that sense. 160 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:54.519 And I'll say, honestly like this almost reminds me of 161 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.480 my like my elohem experience I did mushrooms and not 162 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:00.679 going to go into that whole story, but it was 163 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:04.120 like they were completing the sentences for me, Like before 164 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:08.080 I could even finish the question that I had answer, 165 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.600 the question was being completed by them and then answered 166 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.320 by them congruently at the same time. 167 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.360 That's absolutely what was happening. And it rocked to me. 168 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.600 I was like, what is going on here? And then 169 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:21.320 you know, my next question was, though, is this something 170 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.919 good or is it malevolent? Like I was come from 171 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.519 a Christian context, you know, everything's a demon, So I. 172 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.200 Mean, and I don't even as a Christian, I don't 173 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.159 necessarily agree with that, but a lot of them will 174 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:37.720 say that that is clearly the answer to everything, And yeah, 175 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.679 I get the thought process for sure. Yeah, so it 176 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:43.559 was finishing your sentences for you. It was able to 177 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:46.080 read your mind in a certain regard. So you knew 178 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:49.120 that this was something, for lack of better words at 179 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:54.320 this point in the story, otherworldly, possibly interdimensionally, something spiritual. 180 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.720 Who knows it's something that we can't neatly put into a. 181 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:58.120 Bud of sorts. 182 00:09:58.279 --> 00:09:59.240 Yeah, right, exactly. 183 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.679 So what did you do to determine that it was 184 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.159 your grandmother? Because, like you said, these are very deeply 185 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:08.720 personal things that you yourself knew. Was it anything specifically 186 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:10.559 that she would have known that no one else would 187 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:10.840 have known? 188 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:12.960 Or to what level were we talking? You? 189 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:15.840 See? The thing about that is everyone on the other side, 190 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:17.799 And when I say other side, I mean any spirit 191 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.679 can know everything about you. So that wouldn't have been 192 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.039 definitive proof that, oh, that's my granny because she knows this, 193 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:27.000 that or the other. All spirits could see all of 194 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:31.960 those things. So what really solidified it for me was 195 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:35.240 her love and devotion and care for particular family members. 196 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:38.879 It quickly became a parent that she stayed because she 197 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:42.279 could see destructive patterns in certain family members' lives and 198 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:45.279 she spoke into it in a way that literally saved lives. 199 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:50.000 It literally saved physical lives, but also a lot of healing, 200 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.360 a lot of restoration, like course corrections in some people's lives. 201 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:55.679 Yes. 202 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.679 Wow, she was just typing the messages, you know, onto 203 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:02.799 the into the search bar. So it was typed messages. 204 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.399 So when I say she said, I definitely mean she 205 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:10.039 typed words. Uh, but she you know, she she apologized 206 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:13.080 for some past hurts that she needed to apologize for, 207 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.600 healed some relationships. I mean, yeah, it was. It was 208 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.799 definitely because of her love and the love of the 209 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:22.960 messages that I mean, Jesus said you will know them 210 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.559 by their fruit, and the fruit of everything that was 211 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:28.480 coming through was just nothing but consistently love and light. 212 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:30.480 And you know, and when I say love and light, 213 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:32.960 it was you know, there were there were words of correction, 214 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.759 but in love, the kind of kind of corrections that 215 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:39.919 bring healing and restoration. So that is how I knew 216 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:40.919 that it was my grandmother. 217 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:46.200 So everybody that was were you the only one of the. 218 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.399 Thoughts that were being read or was it everybody that 219 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:49.679 came in contact with it? 220 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:53.600 It was all of us. There were that first communication attempt. 221 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:56.559 I think there were four of us, uh, sitting down, 222 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.600 and yeah, all of us were rocked by it. It. Yeah, 223 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:02.320 she was going, you know, through the room with each 224 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.360 one of us kind of doing that and saying things. 225 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:07.720 She knew we would need validation. She knew we wouldn't 226 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:10.480 just sit down and start talking to some spirit through 227 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:12.720 a TV, you know, And so in order to listen 228 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.720 to her, she had to convince us that, first of all, 229 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.679 that it was not some hacker, because she could read 230 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.840 our thoughts. She knew we were thinking it was a hacker. 231 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.600 And then secondly, she had to communicate in a way 232 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:25.720 that we would know that it was her. 233 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.240 This is so amazing, Jacob. 234 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:31.600 Well, I mean, what do you think, like if Jacob 235 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:33.840 is usually the stick in the mud, and he's I'm 236 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:35.919 sure in his mind he's trying to figure out a 237 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:37.440 way to make this make sense. 238 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.159 But what's going through your mind right now, Jacob? 239 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:43.600 Honestly, the first thought was, like she said, hackerism in 240 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.159 some way, shape or form, or a glitch in tech 241 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:48.840 or something like that. But the fact that it was 242 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:52.720 reading thoughts, that's another level. The fact that it had 243 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.919 very personal details about these individuals and what kind of 244 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:58.879 struggles they were dealing with at that time. That's another 245 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.440 level in and of itself, and I love how you 246 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:04.159 said it like that. I always say, you gotta test 247 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:07.320 the spirit and test the fruit, okay, because you can't 248 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:08.039 just take one. 249 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:08.639 Versus the other. 250 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:12.320 I mean, there are certain denominations of Christianity that, Yo, 251 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:16.240 they have great fruit, but their spirit is poisoned. Adversely, 252 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.799 you have somewhere their spirit is on the money, but 253 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:21.559 they produce no fruit. You gotta test both, right, That's 254 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:23.639 the discernment that they talk about in the Bible. 255 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:25.559 So with that being said, you are. 256 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:29.679 Saying that the messages that were coming through this Roku device, 257 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:32.720 they had not only good spirit, but good fruit that 258 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:35.879 were being produced from these messages. That is where I 259 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.080 kind of say, not every single thing that we can't 260 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:40.879 explain is purely demonic. 261 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:43.240 I disagree with that wholeheartedly. 262 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.879 Now, I have never personally heard of a benevolent spirit 263 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:53.039 or an angelic spirit or anything of the good coming 264 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:57.279 through technology to convey messages before. 265 00:13:57.559 --> 00:13:59.200 So that's a bit of a nuance to I mean. 266 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:01.519 It's just an inanimate object. I feel the same way 267 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.159 like I do tarot cards, every single day. And I 268 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.399 don't know how. I don't know how it works. I 269 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:09.840 don't know who I'm connecting with. It definitely seems to 270 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:14.559 be somebody that is like loving and carrying in something good, 271 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:17.120 you know, like it never feels evil or anything. 272 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:18.000 I can't explain it. 273 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:20.840 So do you think, just out of curiosity, do you 274 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:23.399 think that, like you, it's your grandmother? 275 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:23.720 Right? 276 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:26.759 Do you think that it's your grandmother that is. 277 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:33.519 Literally inside the TV or is manipulating it and existing 278 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:35.080 in the all I. 279 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.919 Guess yeah, a better word, that's a great question. 280 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.360 And I don't believe that she's inside the television by 281 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:42.960 no means. I believe she is all around. You know, 282 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:46.200 she is in spirit and she's just manipulating the television. See, 283 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:49.919 in most cases when people cross, there is no open portal, 284 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:52.240 like I said, They slip into the quantum realm and 285 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:55.960 that veil just closes behind them, and so it makes 286 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:59.039 it extremely difficult for them to manipulate the physical realm. 287 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:00.919 They may want to send their loved ones a sign, 288 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:04.200 they may want to say something important, but they can't. 289 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.039 The veil just makes it too difficult. But in my 290 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.200 grandmother's case, that portal remained open, and it allowed her 291 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.320 to be able to manipulate the physical in ways she 292 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.679 would not have been able to without it. And she 293 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.159 can use other devices, not just the television that was 294 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:21.399 just the initial communication, but she also types on we 295 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:24.799 have a little thermal heat printers that we've invested in 296 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:28.000 and they're like receipt paper, so to speak. Several of 297 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.720 those they're not connected to any devices, they're not connected 298 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.039 to the Internet, and they just sit around. You turn 299 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.639 them on and she can print something out on the printer. 300 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.440 But she could print, she could type something on the computer, 301 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:42.559 the laptop, any electronic device. She can manipulate it if 302 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:44.679 she wants to and has the energy to do so. 303 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:46.960 But you know, in ghost Honting, I don't know if 304 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.559 you watch any paranormal TV, which I don't typically that 305 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:51.360 I'm not into that. 306 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.879 I watch it for the Typically they are laughable, and 307 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:58.639 I'm not saying that the spirit realm is laughable. I'm 308 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:01.679 saying that these clowns that are acting as if they 309 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:03.240 hear some garbled radio message. 310 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:05.480 It was clearly al capone. You could hear them. It's like, bro, 311 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:07.519 I'm sorry what some of them are. 312 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:09.519 Some of them are pretty decent. I think there's one 313 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.559 on YouTube. It's called Zach and Colby or something like that. 314 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:14.279 Is the two youngsters. 315 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:17.000 Yeah, yeah, the ones that one kind of looks like, 316 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:19.919 you know, super gothic dress but very cool. 317 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:21.399 I think I met them once. 318 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:24.720 They were passing through Louisiana doing things and I checked 319 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:29.720 out their YouTube channel and it was extremely content creator 320 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:33.200 esque and as it would now, maybe that was in 321 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:35.759 their earlier days, you know, maybe they ever fined their 322 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:38.720 their abilities a bit. Maybe they know what to look 323 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:40.480 for now. Maybe back then it was for the shock 324 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:42.679 and all. Now it's a little more real. I don't know, 325 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:45.960 but at the time it was chetta cheesy. 326 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:47.960 Is how long ago was that though? 327 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:51.679 Oh shit, dude, we're talking twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. 328 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.720 Maybe hmm, Okay, I haven't been following them. 329 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:56.799 For their Canadians, aren't they. 330 00:16:57.559 --> 00:16:58.000 I don't know. 331 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.039 I think I only watched like a couple episodes, But 332 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:01.879 I mean I'm still fun, like, way more fun than 333 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:03.399 the ghost hunting shows on TV. 334 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:05.920 Right, ghost Hunter on Discovery and stuff like that. 335 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:07.839 That's what I'm talking about, where it's like, Okay, dude, 336 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:09.359 I see what you're trying to do. 337 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:10.960 And I'm not shitting on you. 338 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:14.599 Inherently, but also at a certain point, you're doing this 339 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:18.200 for the shock and awe, and like, I can respect the. 340 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.079 Hustle on that, but it's the same thing as like. 341 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:24.319 Long Island Medium or was that other one Hollywood medium 342 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.640 or whatever. It's like, I'm not saying mediums are all 343 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:29.759 full of shit. I'm saying these two clowns are like that. 344 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:30.480 That's all, you know? 345 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.440 Sure, sure, I mean everybody, they all kind of have 346 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:36.839 their own flavor and stuff, and some people are in 347 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.319 it for like the shotgun awe, the jump scares and 348 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:41.480 everything like that, and I mean, hey, if that's what 349 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.319 you're going for is for entertainment, then that's fine. But yeah, 350 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.000 I don't believe that what you're doing is for entertainment 351 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:48.640 by any means. 352 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:51.200 Though, right, right right, what I was gonna say when 353 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:53.279 I said, do you ever watch any of the paranormal stuff? 354 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:57.680 I wasn't. Yeah, it's definitely the theatrical and there's definitely 355 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:00.079 an element of fiction weaved into all of it. But 356 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.480 I was going to say they use electronic devices like 357 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:04.720 to light you know, the little I don't even know 358 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.880 what they're called, but they have different electronic devices where 359 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:10.319 a spirit could manipulate turn a light on a green 360 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:13.200 or a red light or that kind of thing. So 361 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:18.680 they're definitely using electronic equipment to try to contact or 362 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:21.160 get in touch with the spirits on the other side. 363 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.079 Now how much spirit boxes? 364 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:27.160 Yeah that and so yeah, spirits can definitely, I mean, 365 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:31.920 we are all nothing but energy, right, and so of 366 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.200 course they can manipulate energy. That's where I was going 367 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:34.440 with that. 368 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.640 But yeah, I think they are just manipulating the energy. 369 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:38.279 In Jacob's studio back there. 370 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:43.079 My chair hit the shield behind me and it fell 371 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:46.240 off the wall. I literally just readjusted it before we shot. 372 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:48.400 But the timing of that was pretty crazy. 373 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.559 It was Yeah, yeah, that was weird. 374 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.920 No, I think that that is so man, I don't 375 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:58.440 even know where to go with it because I'm not 376 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:01.920 sure Jacob, I mean, what would you need. So I 377 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:03.920 know that this is getting just getting a story from 378 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:06.640 someone else, and she's tested it, she's validated it in 379 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.039 every which way. I mean, it seems like and doesn't 380 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.119 even need to be connected to the Internet for the printer, 381 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:13.240 paper and everything else. 382 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:14.640 Like, yeah, that's interesting. 383 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.920 I mean, like, I don't know how else you would 384 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:20.920 even prove that if you need it. But you know 385 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.559 what I mean, like, how like what step further could 386 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:23.799 you go? 387 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:26.279 At this point, Bro, I'm just kind of enthralled in 388 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:26.759 the story. 389 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:29.359 I'm not My brain's not even in the realm of 390 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:31.000 trying to poke holes in anything. 391 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:32.880 I'm just kind of taking it all in right. 392 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:36.000 Now, and especially because we're going off of things like 393 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:38.000 you said, the printer paper's not hooked up to the Internet. 394 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.119 The only thing that's hooked up to it is electricity 395 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:44.400 right now? Are these printer paper or printers? For lack 396 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:48.119 of better words, how would you if you wanted to 397 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.400 send a message to be printed up? Could you do 398 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:52.839 that from your phone? Would you have to hardwire and 399 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:54.960 plug into it? Or is it bluetooth accessible? 400 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:55.160 Like? 401 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:57.000 How what are these things rigged up? As? 402 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.000 I believe you could just bluetooth. I believe you could 403 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:04.160 connect wirelessly, although we haven't connected to any devices, so 404 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:06.319 I'm not exactly certain, and I don't live in the house, 405 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:07.839 so I don't have one right here handy to just 406 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:08.160 look at. 407 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:08.400 Right. 408 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:10.519 Yeah, I'm pretty sure you could hook your phone to 409 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:11.720 it wirelessly. 410 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:16.680 Wow, I mean so that also kind of makes sense, right, 411 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:19.440 And again, not for the hacker conversation, but also the 412 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:21.880 Roku device being a smart device in all these things, 413 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:23.920 it would be linked up in some way, shape or form. 414 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:27.680 If this device is also Bluetooth accessible, the same way 415 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:30.240 that a lot of smart TVs are, it would make 416 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:32.359 sense that that might be the medium that she is 417 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:33.839 choosing to speak. 418 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:35.920 To y'all with. But I want to go back and 419 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.200 ask you a question. You said that the portal was. 420 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:40.319 Opened or it wasn't closed all the way or whatever 421 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:44.359 whenever she crossed over. Can you go a little more 422 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:47.279 in depth on this. What portal in particular, what in 423 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:50.759 your opinion, has kept it open and what keeps it 424 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:53.599 open for a certain person when they are trying to 425 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:56.440 make that transition over? Was there, like, uh, was it 426 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:59.039 during a solar eclipse or something like that? 427 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:00.799 Was it on a specific big day of the year. 428 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:03.400 With that, like, the portal is a little less. The 429 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:05.480 veilist thinner was a Halloween like you know what. 430 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:08.440 I'm saying, or specific location as we've heard before. 431 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:12.319 Okay, now, well, according to my grandmother, it was left 432 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:15.119 open because she was in resistance. She was really struggling 433 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.000 and fighting to stay and she said that when people 434 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:23.920 sometimes when people cross suddenly from traumatic something traumatic, like 435 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:27.680 maybe they're murdered, and sometimes those portals remain open, and 436 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:30.839 it's because the person is really digging and scratching to stay. 437 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:33.480 They're not ready to go that, you know, it's a shock. 438 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:36.759 Maybe they're afraid. My grandmother was a Christian. She would 439 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:39.240 have identified as a Christian. She was ninety five years 440 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:41.480 old and had spent her entire life sitting in church 441 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:43.680 every time the doors were open. She had prayed the 442 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.599 prayer go into Heaven when she dies, that kind of belief. 443 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:48.920 But at the end of her physical life, she had 444 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:52.480 no blessed assurance because she was afraid of death. She 445 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:54.880 even asked a family member on a couple of occasions, 446 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:55.960 please don't let me die. 447 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:58.839 So she really she was afraid of death. 448 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:01.240 And I'm not saying that like, well, that means she's 449 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:03.720 not a real I'm not saying that I would be 450 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:04.319 scared though. 451 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:06.960 Well, I mean, that's how many people do you know, 452 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:10.880 really who are in church, plugged in, you know, doing 453 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:13.799 all the church things, but they don't have that inner 454 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.559 shift maybe you know, And I'm not you know, I'm 455 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:19.799 not assessing her inner condition. The time of her crossing. 456 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:22.200 I'm just saying that a lot of people sit in 457 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:24.720 church and miss miss the mark when it comes to 458 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:28.720 really having that that faith, that trust that they really 459 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.680 are crossing into what they say they believe with their mouths. 460 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:35.680 And so I believe in my grandmother's case, she was 461 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:39.319 certainly unsure about what she would be facing when she crossed. 462 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:43.079 You know, there was an element of uncertainty in that. 463 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.079 But also you know, she just really wasn't ready to 464 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:49.279 leave the physical realm. You know, she just she wanted 465 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:51.359 to be on this side. She wanted to have her 466 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:54.759 favorite food, she wanted to do the things that she loves, 467 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:57.279 and so, yeah, I think it was just a fear 468 00:22:57.279 --> 00:22:58.960 of the unknown. And I think a lot of people 469 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:00.880 who sit in church have that fear of the unknown. 470 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:04.200 I agree, probably most people, regardless of church or not, 471 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:05.960 I mean, regardless of any religion. 472 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.559 I mean, it's all taken on faith. 473 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:12.720 You know, there's no proof of these things, not physical 474 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:14.039 proof anyway. 475 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:15.440 But even that being. 476 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:18.240 Said, can you can you possibly like, was she able 477 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.279 to tell you the story from like the time that 478 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:25.839 she crossed over into how she got to jumping into 479 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:27.920 the roku and all these different devices. 480 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:31.000 Yeah, so when she first crossed, she was stuck and 481 00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:34.079 she was, you know, not in a good place, you know, 482 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:36.839 spiritually speaking, because she was she was trying to hang on, 483 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:39.240 not ready to go resisting. She was in that state 484 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:42.559 of resistance. And anytime we're resisting, we suffer, right, And 485 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:46.400 so she said that when she crossed, another family member 486 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:49.119 was waiting on her, my aunt who had crossed before her, 487 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:51.759 and was telling her, come with me, just let go 488 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:54.039 and come on, and she but she was stubborn and 489 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.319 she wouldn't do it. And so she loved ones were there. 490 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:01.279 She was surrounded by loved ones. And after she said that, 491 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:04.000 after she you know, gained some perspective about her situation, 492 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:06.559 and I guess accepted the fact that she had crossed, 493 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:09.920 and you know, and it was final in the sense 494 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.160 that there was no coming back. In a physical way. 495 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:15.400 She had this open portal, which is just an open 496 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:19.200 door between the two realities, right, and she realized that 497 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.759 she could step through that portal, so to speak, and 498 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.039 manipulate the physical in certain ways. And then as she 499 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.400 I guess, as she became aware of her situation, she 500 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:33.640 started to hone in or pay attention to us, you know, 501 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:35.640 her her loved ones. That are I mean, because really 502 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:38.160 the physical realm and the spiritual realm just overlap. We 503 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:42.200 are continually, perpetually surrounded by spirits. In Hebrews, it says, 504 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.000 you know the great cloud of witnesses urging you on. Well, 505 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:46.920 they're all around us all the time, we just don't 506 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:50.839 usually into it or know that they're there. And so, 507 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:54.279 you know, she was watching and seeing all of the 508 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:57.119 different dynamics with her loved ones, things going on in 509 00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:59.359 their personal lives, things she didn't know about in the 510 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:01.839 physical realm, how people really felt about her that you 511 00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:05.240 know what, people all of these things, and that's what 512 00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:07.559 really motivated her to push her way back in and 513 00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:11.240 actually try to make communication or contact with us in 514 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:13.240 a way that or communicate with us in a way 515 00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:15.839 that we would listen. It was because she could see 516 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.279 some things that desperately needed to be spoken into. 517 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:23.160 Wow, okay, if I mean, without getting too personal, I mean, 518 00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:25.920 and you don't have to answer this, this is totally 519 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:26.720 fine if you don't want to. 520 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:29.720 But how did she pass? Like, how did she die? 521 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:32.079 Was it something that was really rough or was it 522 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:33.279 just like a natural passing? 523 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.599 You mentioned it like murder victims or somebody died violently 524 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:37.920 might be caught in the middle of that. 525 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:39.119 So, yeah, a good question. 526 00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:41.960 Yeah, that is a good question, and I don't mind answering. No, 527 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:44.480 she was ninety five and she had broken her hip 528 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:47.440 about a year earlier, and it just got her down. 529 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.359 She was bedridden with the broken hip. She never did 530 00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:53.720 get mobile again, and so in the course of that 531 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.400 year she just continued to decline. And I would say 532 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.240 probably her heart at the end. But you know it 533 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:02.960 was a natural, a peaceful passing, if you will, but 534 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:07.559 not peaceful, I know, because even though peaceful in physical terms, 535 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.359 she was in turmoil anteriorly about it. 536 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:12.559 Yeah. 537 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.440 Wow, And kind of like you said, there's a lot 538 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.799 of it doesn't matter which faith or which denomination or 539 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:21.559 sect of what faith. There's a lot of people that 540 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:23.960 put on a good mask when they go to their 541 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:27.839 house of worship or when they're around their religious peers, 542 00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.519 and they speak as if they have the utmost faith, 543 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:32.519 but in reality they struggle with that faith. And I mean, 544 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:35.799 who are we to judge, right, We don't actually know 545 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:39.799 the innermost personal struggles that somebody's dealing with. But you know, 546 00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:43.440 when the time comes, it comes regardless of people's opinions 547 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.599 on it. So I'm wondering, like you said, how many 548 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:48.839 people go to church every Sunday that are also still 549 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:51.640 struggling with the faith question, And I wonder how many 550 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:54.400 of them when they pass that door or portal will 551 00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.559 also be open to them. I'm wondering why was it 552 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:02.640 open to her and that that opportunity offered so to speak? 553 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.920 Is that because everybody has a choice about what they 554 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.200 can do on the other side once you pass? 555 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:09.039 Is that what that is? 556 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.519 Yeah, we all do have a choice once we cross. Now, 557 00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:15.720 the portal situation was kind of a fortuitous accident. She 558 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.240 didn't intentionally say I'm going to create a portal so 559 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.880 that I can communicate. She just in her passing the 560 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:26.359 portal remained open. And she says that it happens more 561 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.640 often than you would think. It's just that in most cases, 562 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:31.680 people aren't open to the communication, so if anything begins 563 00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:35.039 to happen, they're completely frightened. And usually the person who 564 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:36.960 has crossed, they don't want to really, they don't want 565 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.160 to frighten their loved ones. And when they see that 566 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.039 it's a a feutile endeavor. When they see that all 567 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:44.960 of their communications are just going to frighten and they're 568 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.200 never going to be able to have open discourse. They'll 569 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.599 just move on and let the portal close and just 570 00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:54.319 you know, basically give up and focus on the next 571 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:56.920 leg of their journey, so to speak. But I guess 572 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.519 in my grandmother's case, she was just really tenacious. She 573 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:02.119 really wants to say something desperately, and she continued to 574 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.880 just try and try. Maybe in some on some levels 575 00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:07.559 she could see that that we might would be open. 576 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.799 And you know, they can see the heart, they see 577 00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:11.880 the inclinations of the heart. So maybe she thought if 578 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.119 I could just say enough where they would know what 579 00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:17.480 was me, then they'll listen. And so she she persisted. 580 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.039 And so whenever I wonder, you know, with her struggle 581 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.119 with you know, uh, wanting to kind of keep giving 582 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.920 y'all messages and not necessarily going on to the next 583 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:31.000 leg of her journey, if if she was to go 584 00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:32.759 on to that next leg of her journey, would she 585 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:35.359 not have access to be able to reach out to you? 586 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.039 Yeah, So what she has gone on to the next 587 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:40.000 leg of her journey, so to speak, like she's doing 588 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.200 her in her work, is what she would she calls 589 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.119 it work, but it's in her work and she's able 590 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.920 to do that and remain close to us and communicate 591 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.559 through the portal. But she tells me that on the 592 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.200 other side there's something that she refers to as the beyond, 593 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.400 and it really is highly stratified and complex. I would 594 00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:02.000 say it's like a multiverse situation, and it it I 595 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.559 don't know. It defies words. In fact, when I asked 596 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:06.799 her to speak into it, she'll say, no, say. And 597 00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.640 when I say, are you not supposed to tell me? 598 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:10.839 She will She will say some of it she's not 599 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:12.640 supposed to tell me, but some of it is just 600 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.759 too ineffable for her to put into words for my 601 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:19.319 finite brain to understand. People without a portal would probably 602 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:22.519 move into the beyond because it's just more peaceful and 603 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:24.480 you know, and they're able to really focus on their 604 00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:27.519 inner work and move on in that capacity. But even 605 00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.440 when they've moved on, they're still with us because in spirit, 606 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.240 it's not like they're not confined to a specific location 607 00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.160 like we are here in the physical. So my grandmother 608 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.680 can be with me and my aunt. And I'll give 609 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:41.880 you an example. One day, the phone rang. It was 610 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:45.039 the anniversary of my dog's crossing, who I was really 611 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.279 close to, and the phone rang. My aunt was on 612 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.119 the other end of the line and she said, yeah, 613 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.680 Granny came on and told me to call you. So 614 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:58.079 she turned the television on. Actually she interrupted my aunt's show. 615 00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.799 She was watching Downton Abbey. My grandmother interrupted, went to 616 00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:04.720 search and was like, call Brandy. She's like, okay, So 617 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.039 she called me and I said, okay, Well, what does 618 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:10.359 Grannie need? And Grannie said, she just wanted to let 619 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:12.960 me know that my dog, Luke Luke is with you. 620 00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.680 He loves you. He's sending his love and he misses 621 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.720 hungry howiees and my aunt like, what is hungry Howie's 622 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.720 and I'm it's pizza and he loved that pizza. And anyway, 623 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:25.680 so she was with my aunt typing that message so 624 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:27.119 that my aunt could read it to me, but she 625 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.279 was also with me, and she was in my kitchen, 626 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:31.079 and she knew what I was feeling and thinking in 627 00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.480 that moment, so that she knew I needed to hear 628 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:35.559 that message. And it was just it was very sweet. 629 00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:39.160 It was deeply comforting. And there have been otherstances where 630 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.200 she's done things like that. Where in the moment, she's 631 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:43.960 like multiple places at once. She can see multiple things 632 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.599 kind of playing out, and she'll speak into it in 633 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.000 a way that is just helpful. And like one time 634 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.400 I had something weighing really heavy, and I had not 635 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:54.119 communicated it to anyone, and then I went to her 636 00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:57.240 house where my family lives, and I'm sitting there just 637 00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:00.000 chilling in the living room. We're just hanging out and 638 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.720 TV popped on, went to search and she typed my 639 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.160 name and I'm like, yeah, and she said, do not fret. 640 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.200 All is guiding all. She knew what I needed to hear, 641 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.799 and it was deeply comforting. It helped me so much. 642 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:16.039 But nobody else knew that. And so yeah, just all 643 00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:20.960 sorts of things that are really it defies our physical 644 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.960 explanation for how you know, we process things on our end. 645 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.559 That is so cool. I love this stuff. 646 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:34.039 So her spirit seems to be cordoned off to the 647 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.240 house itself, right, Has she come to you in your 648 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:38.799 house in some way, shape or form. 649 00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:41.519 Yeah, for sure. She comes to my house all the time. 650 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.160 She could tell you all different things about what's going 651 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.200 on in my house. If I have company, what I'm 652 00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.880 She's probably I'm not not. Probably she'll know exactly what 653 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.480 I said here. She's here with us now, but it's 654 00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:56.119 that she can only type on a TV in her 655 00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:58.920 house because that's where the portal is. So if she 656 00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:00.400 comes to my house, I don't. I don't have an 657 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:02.960 open portal in my home, thanks be to God. I mean, 658 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:04.920 it would be okay if it was Grainnies, but I 659 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.200 wouldn't want just an open portal because that honestly, those 660 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.799 haunted places that you see where all that poultry geist 661 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.960 activity is happening, the part that's maybe not theatrical, that 662 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.359 is this real, right, because there is an open portal, 663 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:21.200 and it's not like someone good's portal. It's an open portal. 664 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.319 It's just like an open door into the spirit realm 665 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:25.160 where anything can come. 666 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.559 Through, and anybody who's desperate even that's right. 667 00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.680 Yeah, And like we've always said, the side of good 668 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:33.279 and evil, we understand that spiritually. 669 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:34.039 There is a good and a bad. 670 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.039 Right, there is a side of light and love, and 671 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.319 there is a side of evil and malice. Right now, 672 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:42.839 someonet to say angels and demons, someone to put it 673 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.440 to other terms. Whatever, We're still talking about the ying 674 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:47.799 and the yang, the dark and the light fair. One 675 00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.240 of these sides is clamoring with everything they can to 676 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.440 get out of any open door they can find, and 677 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:54.400 the other side is waiting for you to come through 678 00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:57.000 that door to come to them. So I'm you know, 679 00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:58.839 so as far as that's concerned, I'm with you one 680 00:32:58.880 --> 00:32:59.400 hundred percent. 681 00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.440 You just don't want to open portal up in your house. 682 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:02.599 But now the. 683 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:06.200 Question is what is the open Is this a is 684 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.799 this attached to some sort of a physical object like 685 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.680 And the only reason I'm asking is because oeg board, 686 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.440 for instance, we understand that to be an open portal, 687 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.599 but not in the good sense. 688 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.000 That's more like a homing beacon for bad shit. Right. 689 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:23.160 So that being said, do we know of the device 690 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.559 or the thing inside this house that is acting as 691 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:28.839 the open portal for Granny? 692 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.400 Could be like an amulet or something like that, right. 693 00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:33.240 Could be a piece of jewelry, could be it could 694 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.319 be anything, honestly, but do you know what that thing 695 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:38.680 is or is it not? Even a thing like that 696 00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:42.079 is completely an ethereal portal that she is just for 697 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:43.400 herself able to come through. 698 00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:44.359 What's the situation? 699 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.039 That is a good question, And things can have portals 700 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:51.039 like you're saying, Waga boards will be the portal themselves. 701 00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:54.279 So wherever you take the Wigia board, there's the open portal. Right, 702 00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:58.640 So definitely objects can be portals. But in my grandmother's case, 703 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.759 it's not an object. It's just it's just in that location. 704 00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:06.640 And so you could doze the house down and clear 705 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:08.679 that property and that portal would still be there. 706 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:12.199 Is that just because that's where she died, That's. 707 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.599 What she says. Yes, it's a location where she crossed. 708 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.039 And she said that hospitals are full of portals. They're 709 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.400 very loud. She said, I don't want to cross in a 710 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:23.920 hospital if you can help it, because it's so she 711 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:28.079 calls it loud. In my mind, I'm thinking crowded would 712 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.119 be what I would think when she says loud, But 713 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.719 on her uses the word loud, and I'm not sure 714 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.480 why she choose that word. 715 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.960 Okay, I gotta say that. I mean, is there a 716 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.840 reason why you haven't sold your house and just went 717 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:43.679 and built on an addition to that house so everybody 718 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.920 could live in this like this awesome place. 719 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:48.599 Always talking to Granny. 720 00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:51.079 I'm pretty much there all. I'm there a lot. I do. 721 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.440 I visit a lot, and uh yeah, so I'm really 722 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:55.639 thankful for that I'm close to the family and that 723 00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:58.719 I'm welcome to come anytime. When this first started happening, 724 00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.039 oh my gosh, I was the Almost every day, I 725 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.000 was like, I'm practically moving in with you. I can't 726 00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:06.360 stay away. Like I was just so blown away, mind blown. 727 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.199 I couldn't even and I didn't tell anyone really except 728 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.360 really close friends family in the beginning because I was like, 729 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.679 I sound unhinged. Every time I would start to explain 730 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.880 what was happening or tell someone, I would think, in 731 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.679 my mind, gosh, I sound unhinged. And to me, you know, 732 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:26.519 being reasonable and logical and you know, balanced was really 733 00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.960 important to me. So it was hard for me to 734 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.079 start telling people. I remember when I told my husband 735 00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:33.599 the first time, he just sat quiet, and I just 736 00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:35.480 like I told him, I just spilled it all out. 737 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.239 I'm like, you won't believe what's going on. And when 738 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:40.400 I finished telling him, he was just sitting there quiet. 739 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:42.400 He didn't really say anything, and I'm like, well, please 740 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.480 say something. He said. Well, if anybody else was telling 741 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:47.639 me telling me this, I would think they were either 742 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.400 full of shit and they're just making it up, or 743 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.039 they've snapped like they're crazy something. You know, they're unhinged, 744 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.920 he said. But because it's you, I know it's true, 745 00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.280 he said. So I'm gonna need a minute, give me 746 00:35:59.320 --> 00:35:59.760 a moment. 747 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.480 Yeah, I can imagine that. 748 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:06.000 But he's witnessed it. I mean he talks, He goes 749 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.320 there and has conversations and has had things. His dad 750 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:12.159 came through my grandmother's portal and spoke to him, So 751 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.239 it's yeah, so oh wow. 752 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.280 So the portal is not specifically only she can use 753 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:17.920 it kind of thing. 754 00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:21.119 Whoever she allows. It's her portal. She stays there, so 755 00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:23.920 it's safe and it's guarded, so to speak. But yeah, 756 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.039 any spirit who wants to come through, she can allow 757 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.320 and let them communicate if she wants. 758 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:33.800 Do portals have an expiration date? I mean, because you 759 00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.800 got to think. I mean, people have died everywhere pretty 760 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.760 much everywhere you can imagine, right right. 761 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:41.559 I think if there's no interaction, they'll sort of just 762 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.760 close up. I think it's the interaction because she continues 763 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.239 to communicate and we communicate back. It keeps it. It 764 00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.559 keeps it open. But there are ways to close portals. 765 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.079 People in the physical realm can go into places and 766 00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.280 closed portals. But she tells me that you need to 767 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:01.119 be like clairvoyant. You need to be able to see 768 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:03.280 into that realm and know what you're doing. And so 769 00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:06.000 these like these ghost hunters that go in and they 770 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.400 say they're going to cleanse a place or cross ghost 771 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:12.480 orre closed portals, she said, no, they're largely just creating 772 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.639 a big mess, and often they're bringing stuff home with themselves. 773 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:18.519 So it's really unsafe what they're doing. 774 00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:22.280 Oh yeah, Now this being the case, you said that 775 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.920 she is protecting the portal, Right, she's pretty much the 776 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.320 gatekeeper of it. So it is impossible for a negative 777 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:30.440 entity to come through. 778 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.639 Well, I wouldn't say impossible because my experience, nothing is ever. 779 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.719 I mean from everything that I've learned, what you know, 780 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.639 what is life anyway? I mean we live in a 781 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.320 multiverse and it's a holographic universe, and I mean, you 782 00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:43.920 know the things that I've learned, So I would say, no, 783 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.000 nothing is impossible. Okay, But I would say, you know, 784 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.960 just like you know, if you're going to Walmart, is 785 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.320 it impossible that a gunman could come in? I mean, 786 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.679 is it impossible that an evil person could be shopping? 787 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.199 Next to you, and so no, I mean there's good 788 00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:59.599 and bad and everything. That's just this the flip side 789 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.440 of everything. But I will say that it's unlikely and uh, 790 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:05.199 if it did, you know, she would deal with it 791 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:07.960 on her end. It's not like she has evacuated the 792 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.559 portal and it's just left to the devices. I think 793 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.280 if anything malevolent showed up, she and other spirits. I mean, 794 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.199 it's not just my grandma. Like I said, we are 795 00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:18.840 surrounded by our I call it our team of light. 796 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.039 You know, you may believe in spirit godes, angels, ancestors. 797 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:25.280 I mean, we have a spirit team around us who 798 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.440 are continually communicating. You mentioned taro. 799 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:28.960 You know. 800 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.199 I asked my grandmother one time, who is it or 801 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:33.920 what is it with the tarot messages? Who's doing that? 802 00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.559 And she said, all all, so it's not one, you know, 803 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:39.519 So we have a team. So I would say, if 804 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.320 something malevolent showed up, I mean on our end, we 805 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.679 would have to guard against that and you know, and 806 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.000 pray and sage and you know, and be diligent. But 807 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:49.400 also we have a spiritual team who works on our 808 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.199 behalf that we don't even see. 809 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:52.920 Wow, uh huh. 810 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.840 Believe that the message was first sent to you, like, 811 00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:58.679 who was the first person to see the search and 812 00:38:58.719 --> 00:38:59.559 the hell o that was you? 813 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:00.000 Correct? 814 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.119 No, No, it was my family who lives in the house. 815 00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:04.039 I don't live there. 816 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.760 Yeah, okay, okay, okay, so all right, fair enough. 817 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.000 I was gonna say it was about a month and 818 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.559 some change after she passed when the first message came up, 819 00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:14.800 and it, like you said, it was a couple of 820 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.840 days after this TV was even plugged in and came online. 821 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.920 So I was curious the person that first got the message. 822 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.639 Was this person particularly close to her, like they had 823 00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:30.239 a way stronger connection between her and this family member 824 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.480 than any other member of the family, or was it 825 00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:35.920 just by happenstance because she finally found a source of 826 00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:37.800 communication that everybody could read. 827 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:39.880 In your opinion, what do you think that was? 828 00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:41.760 Well, I think it was both. And I think she 829 00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.920 was intending to communicate to anyone who would listen at that, 830 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:48.679 you know, trying to just come through. But coincidentally, the 831 00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:50.760 people who live in the house were close to her, 832 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.920 and they were people she wanted to say things too. 833 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:55.880 So yeah, I think it was both and. 834 00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:01.400 Okay, fair enough, just out of curiosity, I feel like 835 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:03.920 I probably know the answer to this, But what does 836 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.239 she exist as? 837 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.800 Yeah? Well, I mean everything is energy, and I would 838 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.760 say she's in some sort of astral body, light body, 839 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:15.840 if you were to ask me the way that I 840 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:18.920 sort of my mind processes it. So like when we 841 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.719 leave the physical realm, we're no longer in a physical body, 842 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.719 but we are even though we are disembodied the way 843 00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:29.599 we would articulate it. Here, we're not just unstructured. There's 844 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:33.519 some sort of form, some sort of energetic expression of 845 00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:36.320 ourselves on the other side. So, yeah, energy though for 846 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.119 sure light interesting. 847 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:39.880 Yeah, that makes sense. 848 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:43.920 Yeah, I guess a fair comparison might be what form 849 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:48.079 is heat existing in our existence? Right? 850 00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:52.239 Like I currently have a pot on the stove right hypothetically, 851 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.000 of course, and if I was to pass my hand 852 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.679 over the top of it, I cannot see the heat 853 00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.480 that is hitting my hand, even though it is a 854 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.760 measurable physical force. It doesn't necessarily have a shape or 855 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.760 a form, but it is existing in some sort of 856 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.760 physical form for me to have that experience, right, it 857 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.360 is an energy for lack of better words, I feel 858 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.719 like that might be kind of and I don't want 859 00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:18.960 to say it's a one to one comparison here, But 860 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:22.159 I'm trying to find like you said, it's kind of 861 00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.360 our human minds trying to make sense of things that 862 00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:28.480 we could not possibly make sense of, which, for the record, 863 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:29.960 is how I feel a lot of the Old Testament 864 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.519 was written, by the way, So I one hundred percent 865 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:32.760 with you. 866 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.320 Yeah, for sure. I mean I believe that it's kind 867 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:38.960 of like that. That's a great metaphor because there are 868 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:40.760 a lot of things in the world that we don't 869 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:42.760 We can't into it with our five senses, but that 870 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.440 doesn't mean they don't exist. And I believe that everything 871 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.199 we see is sustained and supported by what we don't see, 872 00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:52.079 and so that's really what's real. The things we don't see, 873 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:53.000 that's what's real. 874 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:55.760 Yeah, I mean, we only see one percent of the 875 00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:58.679 light spectrum, not even one percent. It's like a fraction 876 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.599 of one percent of the light spectrum. So to think 877 00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:03.920 that you know what you see and what you feel 878 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.320 is all there is, that's just even scientifically incorrect. 879 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:12.199 Absolutely, yeah, yes, Okay, So I have I. 880 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.960 Have one other question though, Wow, I'm sure gonna I'm 881 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.840 gonna have many other questions, But in regards to this 882 00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:22.400 it's any time you you go to like a teacher 883 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:24.960 or you know, some kind of I'm not gonna say, 884 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:28.199 maybe a sended master or whatever. You know, somebody that 885 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:33.360 is very much more I don't know what the term is. 886 00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.079 Somebody that enlightens a lot more and they're enlightened. There 887 00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.239 we go somebody that would be enlightened. You know, you 888 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.719 hear about figures in the past, and they don't necessarily 889 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.719 if you go and ask them for ask them a question, 890 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.199 for an answer that you're seeking, it's almost always given 891 00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:51.480 to you in a parable not necessarily giving you a 892 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.719 direct answer, but almost leading you in the right way, 893 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.599 to give you a couple of bread crumbs, bread crumbs 894 00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:59.800 to lead you to that answer. Do you feel like 895 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.440 whenever you ask her a question, or anybody asked her 896 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:05.159 a question, is it ever a direct answer or is 897 00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:07.199 it almost like here, I'm going to try and lead 898 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:08.039 you in this direction. 899 00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:12.400 It's direct and yeah, so not not too much fluff. 900 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.559 She doesn't speak in Cohen's like you're speaking, you know, 901 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:17.800 like the to keep you. But I will say she 902 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.360 doesn't answer every question. And I have asked some things 903 00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.440 where I get she'll say no, say that's what my 904 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.639 grandmother says, no say, And sometimes it's because she's not 905 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.559 supposed to tell me. I'm not supposed to know. She 906 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.679 wouldn't want to tell me anything that would violate my 907 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:35.639 free will, anything that would affect my my journey, my unfolding, 908 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.880 my coming into my highest life path. And so she's 909 00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:40.559 not gonna tell me anything that would trip me up 910 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:43.679 in that way. But when I do ask direct questions 911 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:47.559 about theological philosophical things, if it's something she can answer 912 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.079 and if there are words to use, she answers directly. 913 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:55.760 Yeah, yeah, I think that that's also that makes sense, right, 914 00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:58.519 I forget where I heard this quote, and I'm gonna 915 00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:02.360 miss quoted a bit here, but it's essentially, unfettered knowledge 916 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:06.679 leads to unfettered sorrow. Essentially, like you know, you ever 917 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:09.960 heard ignorance is bliss. There's a lot of truth to that, right. 918 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:15.519 If you never learn that chemical biological weapons exist, the 919 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:18.840 fear of a chlorine bomb hitting you will never into 920 00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:19.360 your brain. 921 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:20.519 Now, there's got to be a balance. 922 00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.199 We can't just live in absolute ignorance our entire lives 923 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:25.400 of the world around us, right, I get that, But 924 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.639 when it comes to the other side, I truly believe 925 00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:30.920 there are certain things that we are not supposed to know, 926 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.679 at least not in this life with our physical forms 927 00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:36.000 that we are currently speaking through as of this moment. 928 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:37.880 I also believe that when we do cross over to 929 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.639 the other side, we will learn everything. 930 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:42.880 Maybe not even everything. 931 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.440 Maybe there's other stuff that even our spirit bodies are 932 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:48.280 not supposed to know. Maybe it's some other stuff that 933 00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:52.199 we realistically cannot comprehend even on that side of it. 934 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.960 But I definitely would have some access to more than 935 00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.079 more than what you know now you can. 936 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.239 Believe though, right absolutely, absolutely well. 937 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.920 I guess the question where I was really trying to 938 00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:08.199 steer that too, is almost like a fortune telling. For example, 939 00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:11.320 Let's say I don't know you, would you be able 940 00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:12.800 to go to your grandma and ask her for the 941 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:13.760 powerball numbers? 942 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:15.840 You take the words out of my mouth. Could she 943 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:18.360 give you the winning lotto ticket numbers? If so, what 944 00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:19.239 are we doing right now? 945 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:23.880 Right? No, we have We've asked about that, and the 946 00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:27.079 future is fluid, is what she would say, And so 947 00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.679 we you know, even though we're not asking for powerball 948 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.880 numbers or or things like that, although we have asked, 949 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.320 could you is it possible that you could give us 950 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.159 Powerball numbers, could you? And she would She'll say, no, 951 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.639 you know that I wish, but the future is fluid. 952 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.679 Things like that. But there have been times when we've 953 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:47.519 asked certain things, not even thinking about it being future oriented, 954 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.360 but just in our finite minds, be worried about something, 955 00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.039 worried about the outcome of something, and then ask her 956 00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:55.920 can you see what? And she can kind of like tear, Oh, 957 00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.559 she can tell you what is kind of flowing in 958 00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.360 the moment, like where is the energy kind of leaning, 959 00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:04.599 Like if you continue in this path, you're probably going 960 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:06.920 to end up with this outcome. It's like the likely 961 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:11.920 results or likely consequences of current energy flowing. But the 962 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:14.840 future is fluid, and so she cannot predict the future. 963 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:18.440 And she'll say, she'll say that future is fluid. 964 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:20.440 Well it did. 965 00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.119 I'm so happy that's the answer. Though, you know, you 966 00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.599 wouldn't want things set in stone, that would, you know. 967 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:27.559 I mean, I know that some people believe in fate, 968 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.840 and maybe there is a remnant of that of sorts, 969 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.719 but it's almost like maybe it could be so fluid 970 00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.159 that you know the destination will always be the destination. 971 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.920 But there's many of different paths to get there kind 972 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:41.559 of thing, right, And I also. 973 00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.559 Think that there are people out there operating in the 974 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.000 dark sided things that are trying to change the world 975 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.679 to get a specific outcome in that way. And I 976 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.679 do personally believe that that is not a good thing, right, 977 00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.719 Like you're you're trying to alter the course of events 978 00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.280 so that you can and get the desired outcome. 979 00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:02.519 That's kind of like cheating the game. 980 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.280 And I don't believe that that is being done by 981 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.440 the good forces out there. Praying for something is not 982 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.679 the same as changing the course of events. Jonathan, you 983 00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:13.360 mentioned that you have a guy that you brought on 984 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.519 the show that does chicken sacrifices for people, very high 985 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.719 dollar clients because he has like a ninety nine percent 986 00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:21.400 success rate. 987 00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:22.679 That's kind of what I'm saying. 988 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.400 There are people that are operating in the dark realms 989 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:27.599 of things, or the left hand path, if you will. 990 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.039 I don't believe that that's a good thing to do. 991 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:33.320 I think that you can only make that happen if 992 00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:35.280 you are operating in the side of dark. 993 00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.599 Well that leads into the next question, then, you know, 994 00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.480 I don't know how much information you have been able 995 00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:43.039 to get from her. I know that I would be 996 00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.000 addicted until I learned everything, and then the next day 997 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.320 I would try and learn everything all over again. But 998 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.840 is there I mean, have you talked to her about 999 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:56.280 negative entities or demons or the devil or the gin 1000 00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:58.599 or whatever you want to call them, Like, I mean, 1001 00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:01.280 is there any site that she would have on that. 1002 00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:05.079 Yeah, from what I have learned in my communications, you know, 1003 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.840 there is no ontological being that is the devil or Satan, 1004 00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:12.800 like all of evil personified into one being that doesn't exist. 1005 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.079 Evil is real. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just 1006 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:19.119 saying there's no ontological being that is the devil. But 1007 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:23.079 there are entities that are evil, malevolent demons if you will, 1008 00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:26.920 and so yeah, they do exist, and like the sleep 1009 00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.119 paralysis demon. I don't know if you've guys have heard, 1010 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.320 Yeah that she says that that's real, it's a real entity. 1011 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:36.880 And and really there are more entities then we have 1012 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:41.679 a language for or that we recognize, you know, like 1013 00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.800 in the Christian tradition you have angels, demons, you know, 1014 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:49.039 they're seraphim cheru being, But there's way more than just that. 1015 00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.199 And then in other traditions you have, like the gen 1016 00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.039 and and so. But she says, yes, they're just basically 1017 00:48:54.119 --> 00:49:00.400 we're using our human words, our limited language, to put 1018 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.559 language to something a reality that is prevalent on the 1019 00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.639 other side. So yes, I would say, yeah, demons, angels, 1020 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:11.360 spiritual entities definitely exist. And when I say spiritual entities, 1021 00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:15.400 I mean they've never incarnated into physical form in the 1022 00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:18.599 three D realm that we're in. They're not human beings. 1023 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:20.719 Okay, that makes a lot of sense. 1024 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.199 I'm you know, it was about a month ago or 1025 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:25.320 so that I did a show on Meta Mysteries and 1026 00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:30.599 it was this quantum science term called red shift and 1027 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:32.599 blue shift, and. 1028 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:33.760 I didn't know anything about it. 1029 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:36.360 There was somebody that reached out and started saying about it, 1030 00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:37.920 and I was like, oh my god, I got to 1031 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.480 dig down this rabbit hole, right, And turns out that, 1032 00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:45.559 like I think, in order for us, if we the 1033 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:48.320 idea behind red shifting and blue shifting is essentially just 1034 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:49.800 shifting your. 1035 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.960 Frequency or your vibration up or down. 1036 00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:54.400 Right. 1037 00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.960 So it's been said a lot of times. What people 1038 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.159 will say is, especially if they're trying to reach out 1039 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:03.119 to like extraterrestrials or or something like that, that they 1040 00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:05.920 would have to raise their frequency and then the et 1041 00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:09.559 or whatever it is would have to lower their frequency. 1042 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:11.280 And that's a red shift and a blue shift kind 1043 00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.519 of situation in order to be able to reach these 1044 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:19.239 higher entity beings. And and you know, conversely, if you 1045 00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.719 were to lower your energy, maybe you would become a 1046 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:26.760 little bit more able to come in contact with the 1047 00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:30.000 lower dimensional type of beings I guess or lower demensal, 1048 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.400 lower dimensional type of entities of sorts. Do you believe 1049 00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:36.559 that that's something like it? Do you think that it 1050 00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:39.199 would be easier to connect on the other side, I mean, 1051 00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:42.400 maybe not so much for the roku, but you know, 1052 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.559 if you're trying to reach out to you know, a 1053 00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.480 spirit that is guiding you or something like that, you 1054 00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.599 would have to be of a higher frequency of sorts. 1055 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.719 Right, Yeah, I think of it as a radio. And 1056 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.360 so they are all these different stations, right, and so 1057 00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:01.559 we are all energy, and they're all these different stations frequencies. 1058 00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.079 And so if you tune into ninety eight point two, 1059 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.360 you're gonna, you know, be in your vibing with ninety 1060 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:09.800 eight point two, and everyone who's tuned into ninety eight 1061 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:14.159 point two but you won't recognize or into it somebody 1062 00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.119 or a frequency of one oh six point five. So 1063 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:21.880 it's all about bringing your frequency into the right channel, 1064 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.679 so to speak, in order to into it or come 1065 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:30.000 into alignment with or even attract. That's what manifestation is, right. 1066 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:32.239 You have to become a vibrational match for whatever it 1067 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.400 is you're wanting to attract into your life. And yeah, 1068 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.239 so these entities their higher dimension or higher dimensional beings 1069 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.960 there I would say advanced intelligence beings that are interdimensional 1070 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.719 and so they're in a higher dimension than this three 1071 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:49.360 D realm of form, and they can lower their frequency 1072 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.639 and manifest to us if they if they want, but 1073 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.199 for us to intuit them, they either have to lower 1074 00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:58.039 their frequency so that we can see them physically, or 1075 00:51:58.039 --> 00:51:59.960 we would have to shift our frequency in a way 1076 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:01.719 that we would be able to see. And I think 1077 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:04.960 that's what like mediums, people who are able to see 1078 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:08.440 into the spirit realm. They're somehow naturally more open. They're 1079 00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:10.840 like and my grandmother tells me some people are open 1080 00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:14.800 portals and that you know, it just naturally flows through them, 1081 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:18.559 or they're able to see and into it a lot easier. 1082 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:21.760 I feel like my portal is like just barely open. 1083 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:23.599 It's like the doors cracked a little bit and I 1084 00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.000 can see a little bit. You know, That's what I 1085 00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:30.039 feel anyway. But just in regards to that, like, I like, 1086 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:33.880 I'm sure that your grandmother has I mean given you 1087 00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.239 so much information over the course of the past few years. 1088 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.599 I mean, have you been able, like you've written books 1089 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:43.039 and everything on this. I mean, what is some of 1090 00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:46.400 the insights that she now has from the other side 1091 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:47.639 that she's able to give to you. 1092 00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:51.360 Hmm, Well, I've asked so many questions, and you know 1093 00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.800 the book that I wrote Through the Veil, A Glimpse 1094 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:57.119 into the Afterlife, and that one, I'm mainly just like 1095 00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:01.840 focusing on how I sort of process the afterlife as 1096 00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:04.760 a result of my own study and what my grandmother 1097 00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:06.760 was able to tell me. So it wasn't just what 1098 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:09.400 my grandmother told me just totally shifted my beliefs. A 1099 00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:12.239 lot of what she said just kind of connected some 1100 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:14.599 dots or brought into sharper focus kind of where I 1101 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:18.760 already was in a theological sense. But that was mainly 1102 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:23.519 about like heaven and hell kind of refew that or karma, reincarnation, 1103 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:26.119 you know those kinds of things. 1104 00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:28.519 What did she say about heaven and health? 1105 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.119 If I may ask, are these places that because you 1106 00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:35.880 said that she brought up the beyond? Was that more 1107 00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:38.320 of a synonym for what we might call heaven or 1108 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:41.079 was that where she believes all souls go. Is there 1109 00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:44.039 a hell that is the counterpart to that? Where does 1110 00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:44.679 this breakdown? 1111 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:48.000 Yeah, that's a really great question. The beyond is where 1112 00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:50.639 all spirits can go as they move on in their journeys, 1113 00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:53.639 and it's multifaceted, just like Earth is multifaceted. You have 1114 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.960 people all over the world, you know, in a various 1115 00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:01.599 states of inner condition, living out their lives in different ways. 1116 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.519 But yeah, as far as heaven goes, she would say, 1117 00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:06.480 it's not a place we go to, but a place 1118 00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.760 we come from. It's a state of existence. Like Jesus said, 1119 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:12.519 the Kingdom of Heaven is within you and say something 1120 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:15.639 that we cultivate within. Now, are there places on the 1121 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:18.440 other side that are more heavenly? Sure, just like there 1122 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:20.920 are here. You know, you can go certain places and 1123 00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:25.000 you feel like it's more peaceful, there's not as much chaos, 1124 00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:28.119 you know, And alternately, you can go to other places 1125 00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:29.480 on this earth and it would be, you know, like 1126 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:31.719 full of chaos and a lot of riff raff or 1127 00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:37.000 tumultuous events and so yeah, but basically, what you cultivate 1128 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:39.639 inwardly is what you're going to express and manifest outwardly. 1129 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.199 And so really it's an inner situation. As far as hell, 1130 00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.280 there's no place of eternal conscious torment. But there is 1131 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.800 a fire on the other side that she says everyone 1132 00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:53.039 passes through. They're not thrust through it, like it's like 1133 00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:56.199 you consciously go through this fire, but it's a refining 1134 00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:59.119 fire and it's meant to burn away anything that interferes 1135 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:04.159 with love. And those who would resist the fire, they're 1136 00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.079 people who they would resist their inner work in this life, 1137 00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.719 people who really aren't awakened in any way, they're not 1138 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:14.239 evolved in their journey. And so when people like that 1139 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.239 cross sometimes they continue to resist. On the other side, 1140 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.559 they don't want that full light of clarity. They don't 1141 00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:22.519 want the pain of facing their own inner junk. And 1142 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.760 so if you resist the fire, you end up in 1143 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:29.320 outer darkness for a time until you do face the fire, 1144 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:33.199 go through it and face your own inner junk, which 1145 00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:36.400 you know, when she told me that that people who 1146 00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.519 resist the fire end up in an outer darkness. I 1147 00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:41.480 was like, wow, because in the Bible, you know, uh, 1148 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:44.360 there are passages that talk about outer darkness and there 1149 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:47.679 are passages that talk about you know, fire, and and 1150 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.320 I was like, how could it? How could hell be? 1151 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.119 You know, this is you know, way prior to my 1152 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:54.559 talking to my grandmother, and you know, I'm just kind 1153 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:56.760 of wrestling with theology trying to figure out what do 1154 00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:59.280 I believe about Hell? Is it you know, is it 1155 00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:03.079 into eternal conscious torment? Is it conditionalism? Is it universalism? 1156 00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:05.239 And as I'm wrestling with that, I'm thinking how could 1157 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.239 it be both? And how could it be utter darkness 1158 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.880 or outer darkness? And also flaming fire? I mean, like 1159 00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:14.800 because fire is light. Right, So when she said that, 1160 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.000 it just like whoa, It just really brought everything into 1161 00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:19.000 sharp focus on like that makes so much sense. 1162 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:20.880 Yeah, Biblical narrative. 1163 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:25.719 People think of hell because they are taking quotes from 1164 00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:29.400 Dante's Inferno and they are taking that to be what 1165 00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.519 hell looks like, even though that is really really greatly 1166 00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:36.400 written fanfic for lack of better words, right, it is, 1167 00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:39.199 if we're going to go off of the Biblical depictions here, 1168 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:41.840 Yet the place of gnashing of teeth, the place of 1169 00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:43.360 the brimstone and these things. 1170 00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:45.559 Yes, But essentially what it. 1171 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:50.119 Is supposed to be is a place void of God's presence, right, 1172 00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.719 a place with no in God being the all creative, 1173 00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:56.360 all loving, all good side of it. It's supposed to 1174 00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:58.679 be seen as a place where there is no love, 1175 00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:01.960 there is no good, there is no positivity, where you 1176 00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:05.639 would rest for all eternity do with the pitchfork. 1177 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:06.880 And the horns and the fire and brimstone. 1178 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.039 That's more of humans in the Middle Ages, putting more 1179 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:15.320 poetic interpretations onto what could be simply cut and dry 1180 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:16.760 as far as that's concerned. 1181 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:18.079 But yeah, okay, I'm with you. 1182 00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:22.480 So that being said, is there not a place for 1183 00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:26.199 those whose spirits, while they were on earth did do 1184 00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:29.039 heinous and horrendous things? And I'm not just gonna go 1185 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:32.000 with the easy ones like Hitler here, Okay, whatever, but 1186 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:38.519 somebody who really lived a evil and morally unjust life, 1187 00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:41.760 and like their entire life, all they did was hurt people. 1188 00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:45.519 They were greedy, they were sexual, devians of the worst 1189 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.000 regard all these things. You're saying that there's no place 1190 00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:51.199 for them on the other side at least what you've 1191 00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:54.440 been given to understand. They they even once they passed, 1192 00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:57.079 they could do work to go through the fire and 1193 00:57:57.159 --> 00:57:58.199 get to the beyond. 1194 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:00.960 Yes, they could all so do their inner work. I 1195 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:03.360 mean the fire is reserved for everyone. We all pass 1196 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.199 through the fire. And if you have already done your 1197 00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.639 inner work and you're an enlightened being, you're a saint, 1198 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.960 you know, an enlightened master, you would just breeze right 1199 00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:15.559 through it, right. Babies breeze right through it. You know, 1200 00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.239 animals would breeze right through it. But yeah, if you 1201 00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:24.360 are a heinous, terrible, awful person in this life, then 1202 00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:25.920 you will have a hard time in that fire, and 1203 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:28.280 it'll be particularly painful, and there will be weeping and 1204 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:29.960 gnashing of teeth, there will be suffering. 1205 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:30.159 It. 1206 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:32.840 It would be agonizing. And my grandmother makes it the 1207 00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.440 point to say, it's important to do our inner work now. 1208 00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:37.559 You know, the Kingdom of heaven is within you. Do 1209 00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.840 your work now, let go now, is what she would say, 1210 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.159 because you know, it's like the mystics say, if you 1211 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.159 die before you die, then you won't have to die 1212 00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:48.000 when you die. And that's the pain of it, really, 1213 00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:50.119 because we have to face that interjunk, whether we do 1214 00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:52.679 it now or later. Wherever you go there you are 1215 00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.679 whatever level of consciousness you have attained at your crossing, 1216 00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:57.880 you take it with you. And so, yeah, is there 1217 00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.800 a place for these, you know, to pray people to go. No, 1218 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:03.599 it's not like a location that they go. But trust me, 1219 00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:06.199 they're they're dealing with their own innerjunct as we all 1220 00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.719 are when they cross. And you know it's Paul, I 1221 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.320 think it's in or no, it's in Hebrews, and we're 1222 00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:14.800 not sure who the author of Hebrews is, but they 1223 00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.280 talk about a fire and they say that it's you 1224 00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:19.920 know that if you built with you know, gold and 1225 00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:23.559 jewels and whatever, you know, like non egoic or service 1226 00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:27.440 to others kind of you know works that when you 1227 00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.000 you'll go through a fire and those things will be refined. 1228 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:33.159 And you're built with hay or stubble or something like that, 1229 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:35.519 those things will be incinerated. And it says, all are 1230 00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.760 going to pass through this fire and your works will 1231 00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:39.760 be tested by this fire. And it said but even 1232 00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:43.119 if you suffer an utter loss, you yourself will be saved. 1233 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:45.519 And that's what my grandmother says. It's like that, you know, 1234 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.280 that fire is just about burning away everything that interferes 1235 00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:50.840 with love. So even the hitlers of the world at 1236 00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:55.000 their essence are not irredeemable because all of that other 1237 00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:59.239 stuff is just egoic garbage that weighs the soul down. 1238 00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:01.199 And so all of the that would be incinerated in 1239 01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:03.519 that fire. And it would take a while. With someone 1240 01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:05.360 like that, I would say, you know, it's not like 1241 01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.039 you just passed through it in an instant. The fire 1242 01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:11.920 can be an ongoing, painful, arduous and a person can choose, like, 1243 01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:14.239 go through the fire a little bit, back off, wait, 1244 01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:16.960 integrate some things, go through the fire some more. So 1245 01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:19.199 it's it's kind of like here in this life, right, 1246 01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:23.320 we suffer there, you know, the fiery trials that we face, 1247 01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:25.920 and we have to integrate things. And then you know, 1248 01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:28.440 we don't do it all at once. It's a gradual 1249 01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:31.920 process and nobody comes into it, you know, alignment overnight. 1250 01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.239 Right, So it's kind of like a purification process this 1251 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:36.920 fire then, yeah. 1252 01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:39.159 Which biblically is what it is described as. 1253 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:40.719 As a matter of fact, it says, all of your 1254 01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:44.320 good things will come out as or fine jewels, right, 1255 01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:46.559 and all the bad that you have done will be 1256 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:49.599 burned up in the flame. It talks about that very clearly. 1257 01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:52.239 So okay, I'm with you on that. I've never heard 1258 01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:56.079 someone say that you could do the work post mortem. 1259 01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:59.119 Usually once you die, like you're going to be judged 1260 01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.840 based off of this life itself. Whatever happens afterwards is 1261 01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:04.920 based upon what happened in this life itself. 1262 01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:06.440 So this is kind of an interesting table. 1263 01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:09.519 It seems almost as if the fire, or for a 1264 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:11.239 lack of a better term, the fire that you would 1265 01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:13.480 have to pass through is causing you to face your 1266 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:15.639 own internal judgment in order for you to work on 1267 01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:16.280 that stuff. 1268 01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:16.800 Right. 1269 01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:18.920 Well, the way I see it, the fire is the 1270 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.840 full light of God. That's kind of why you know, 1271 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:25.760 interpret or intuit to be. And so yeah, you begin 1272 01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:28.440 to see things that maybe you didn't even see. You know. 1273 01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:30.800 Jesus said forgive them for they know not what they do. 1274 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.079 And that wasn't just a trite, you know, quick to 1275 01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:36.280 say as he was hanging on the cross. He meant 1276 01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:41.440 that people are unaware, they're unconscious of their deeper depravity 1277 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:43.880 because we all have a shadow. Right. I don't know 1278 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:45.960 if you guys are into you know, Carl Jung, the 1279 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:49.840 work of Carl Jung. But it's deeply helpful for me 1280 01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:54.519 in sort of understanding and processing these things, because psychologically speaking, 1281 01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:56.920 we have this shadow element, and it's the things that 1282 01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:00.159 we repress, the things that are unknown about ourselves that 1283 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:03.280 are really causing us. That's what's sabotaging us. And so 1284 01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:06.039 it's about bringing that stuff to light. Well in this life, 1285 01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:08.960 in the physical realm, we can remain asleep to it, 1286 01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:12.559 we can remain unconscious, we can remain oblivious to our 1287 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:15.239 own inner junk and just you know, live our whole 1288 01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:19.159 lives in service to self. Very egoic even, you know, 1289 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:21.400 and I say service to self, it could even be 1290 01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:25.440 a very polished persona. You know, people in church doing 1291 01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:27.239 all the right things, saying all the right things, but 1292 01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:30.320 they're not facing that shadow and integrating those deeper elements, 1293 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:33.400 and so they're still fragmented. They're still operating out of 1294 01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:37.440 that shadow, you know, compulsion or the shadow complexes. But 1295 01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:39.800 when we cross to the other side, it's like the 1296 01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:43.000 full light of clarity. You cannot lie to yourself, no 1297 01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:46.480 more duplicity. And that's why it's particularly painful. Here. We 1298 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.639 can kind of gradually like something will you know, will 1299 01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:52.159 arise and we face it, and then there'll be something else, 1300 01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:53.679 and then they'll be you know, it's not like an 1301 01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:56.280 all of a sudden seeing everything for what it is. 1302 01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:58.800 I remember saying to my grandmother once, because she can 1303 01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:02.360 see into the hall art of situations and people, and 1304 01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:04.880 I'm a nerd, and so I ask a lot of questions. 1305 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:07.199 And I was asking, you know, like what about this 1306 01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:09.639 person and what about Carl Jung's philosophy, and what about 1307 01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:11.760 this person who wrote this book? Is are they right 1308 01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:15.960 about the afterlife or they write about this? And she's answering, 1309 01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:17.840 and I'm like, you know, I'm just sitting there, soaking 1310 01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:21.480 in it, enjoying the conversation. And I said, you know what, Granny, 1311 01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:23.960 I was like, it must be amazing to be where 1312 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:25.920 you are and see what you see, like you can 1313 01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:27.920 see it all, and I just want to know all 1314 01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:31.639 the things she said, but also painful, and you know, 1315 01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:34.480 and it stocked me in my tracks because absolutely, because 1316 01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.760 if you can see into the heart of people and situations, 1317 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:41.119 you see things you would probably rather not see. And 1318 01:03:41.199 --> 01:03:43.800 so that's what we do life. We gloss things over, 1319 01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:45.719 things that are too painful. We don't want to see 1320 01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:48.039 everything there is to see about ourselves. But on the 1321 01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:50.920 other side, you see it. And so that's why it's 1322 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:54.360 better to be consciously doing your inner work now than 1323 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:56.360 to you know, like wait until. 1324 01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:59.239 After right, right, And you brought up Carl Jung there 1325 01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:01.119 and one of my fas favorite quotes of all time 1326 01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:04.800 of his he says that until you make the unconscious conscious, 1327 01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:05.880 it will direct your life. 1328 01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:07.719 Uh, and you will call it fate. 1329 01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:08.360 Right. 1330 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.280 So it's like, yeah, I mean, you can choose to 1331 01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:15.199 neglect a lot of these parts of yourself and and 1332 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:19.559 you know, choose to neglect your own integration of your 1333 01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:22.199 shadow and dealing with the skeletons in your closet and 1334 01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:24.440 all that kind of stuff. But it's just it doesn't 1335 01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:26.880 mean it's going to go away. It's just you know, 1336 01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:31.440 if anything, it's just going to amplify your daily life 1337 01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:32.639 every single day. 1338 01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:34.679 So and that's the thing. 1339 01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:36.159 It's like, you know, you wake up on the wrong 1340 01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:38.800 side of the bed, you stub your toe, and you know, 1341 01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:40.920 the you hit your head and you do all these 1342 01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:44.119 negative things if you're not consciously aware that that is 1343 01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:46.199 ultimately like the precursor. 1344 01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:47.239 That's the first. 1345 01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:49.400 Domino that you got to get out in front of 1346 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:51.320 before it knocks down all the rest of the dominoes. 1347 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:53.119 It's going to knock down the rest of the dominoes, 1348 01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:55.880 and you're gonna say, my god, mercury must be in retrograde, 1349 01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:58.119 you know what I'm saying. Like this, these are things 1350 01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:00.119 that you can kind of like get out in front of. 1351 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:02.239 And this is something that I've personally been working on 1352 01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:03.880 a little bit too. I mean it's harder. I mean, 1353 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:07.880 it's it's definitely easier said than done, because yeah, I mean, 1354 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:11.320 we we are emotional beings. We do have, you know, 1355 01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:14.239 sixty thousand thoughts a day or whatever it is, and 1356 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:15.679 so to be able to try and get out in 1357 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:17.039 front of each and every single one of them is 1358 01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:20.679 definitely easier said than done. But you know, just the way, 1359 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:23.760 I love that you know, your your grandmother is able 1360 01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:27.119 to give you these kinds of messages because it makes 1361 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:31.960 the people who are quote unquote spiritual or woo woo 1362 01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:34.800 or into this or into that. It makes us seem 1363 01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:36.880 like a lot less crazy whenever we can get a 1364 01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:39.199 little validation from the other side like that. Not that 1365 01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:41.280 I believe that I'm crazy, but I feel like a 1366 01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:43.559 lot of people definitely look at me like I'm crazy, 1367 01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:46.039 and I'm like, no, I'm telling you there's something to it. 1368 01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:47.119 I don't know what it is. 1369 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:49.519 I'm not going to put a name on it by 1370 01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:52.800 any means, but you know, I think that it's it's 1371 01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:56.239 it's okay to you know, look into certain things and 1372 01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:58.719 be curious about certain things and not have to worry 1373 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:02.239 about you know, are others gonna judge you for thinking 1374 01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:04.840 this or looking into this or talking about this, you 1375 01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:06.960 know what I mean? Like, I think that it's okay 1376 01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:09.360 to really just be curious and try and figure it 1377 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:12.559 all out and not have to worry about you know, 1378 01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.079 somebody saying, well, you shouldn't do that because that's the 1379 01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:17.119 devil or that's the you know what I mean. Like, 1380 01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:18.880 I'm like, oh man, it's just such a cop out 1381 01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:22.440 kind of thing. And I think that even to be honest, 1382 01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:25.760 I feel like, I mean, we talk about good and evil. 1383 01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:27.960 I don't know, I don't know if I necessarily believe 1384 01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:31.039 in good or evil, Like there are evil acts and 1385 01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:35.079 there are good acts, but wholly inherently good and wholly 1386 01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:38.679 inherently evil on this plane of existence, I don't think 1387 01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:42.119 that that exists. Like I think that that everything you know, 1388 01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:44.679 you you give enough love and you shine enough light. 1389 01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:49.199 I mean the darkest critters of the underworld would maybe 1390 01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:53.679 not be so I don't know, so uh fraud, you know. 1391 01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:57.639 But that also depends on perspective, right, Like animals, we 1392 01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:01.519 can see I don't think that animals are inherently evil 1393 01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:04.719 or inherently good. I think they kind of operate off 1394 01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:07.840 of instinct we've never heard of, like the evil deer. 1395 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.960 That's just like fucking the earth up for the deer population, 1396 01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:14.400 Like that's not a thing, right, But we do have 1397 01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.280 that conversation when it comes to humanity. 1398 01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:20.119 It depends on the scope of that statement, you know 1399 01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:20.679 what I mean. 1400 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:23.159 Right, And that person has to be willing to meet 1401 01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:25.639 you where you're at for sure, Like you can you 1402 01:07:25.639 --> 01:07:27.679 can bring a horse to water, but you can't force 1403 01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:29.800 it to drink it kind of thing. So you know, 1404 01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:32.079 you can always just offer up the goodness that you 1405 01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:36.119 can offer. But anyway, I mean that's more philosophical debate 1406 01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:41.119 at that point, but just out of curiosity. So you've 1407 01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:44.639 gotten a lot of insight. And this is a conspiracy show, 1408 01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:47.159 and one thing that gets brought up here on this 1409 01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:49.920 conspiracy show more than any other topic. 1410 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:51.199 Is flat earth? 1411 01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:54.000 Oh damn, I thought you're going to bring up aliens man. 1412 01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:56.480 Well, yeah, we can get it. I mean we're not 1413 01:07:56.519 --> 01:08:00.400 on a country now. I mean, but in your opinion 1414 01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:03.280 and through your research and through the help of your 1415 01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:05.639 grandmother and everything, is it flat? 1416 01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:06.360 Is it round? 1417 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:08.760 Is it a matrix? Is this all some kind of projection? 1418 01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:10.880 Is it a dream or a simulation? Like? 1419 01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:12.079 What the hell is going on here? 1420 01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.760 Yeah? She has communicated it is not flat, and she 1421 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.039 says that it's it's round. But I do believe also 1422 01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:23.039 from other communications that it is holographic in nature. That 1423 01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:26.119 doesn't mean that it's not materially here. We are materially here. 1424 01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:30.000 But is everything is it a projection of the mind? Well? Sure, 1425 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:32.920 everything ultimately is I mean a speaking like you were 1426 01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:35.880 talking about evil while ago is evil real? Well, you 1427 01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:38.600 know relatively. Yes, it's freaking havoc in the world. I 1428 01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.840 feel it, you feel it ultimately. No, it's just you know, 1429 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:45.399 there's two poles, two sides to the same coin. Right, 1430 01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:48.279 it's about are we balanced in it? 1431 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:49.079 So? 1432 01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:52.079 Yeah, she would say that the Earth is definitely not flat. 1433 01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:56.279 Fair, fair point, which most experts would agree with one 1434 01:08:56.359 --> 01:08:58.159 hundred percent, but it is nice to hear that from 1435 01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:02.279 the spiritual realm as well. Now, speaking on that kind 1436 01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:06.560 of esque conversation here, has she talked or spoken in 1437 01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:09.640 any way, shape or form about life outside of this planet, 1438 01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:13.159 not on a spiritual or ethereal realm, what we might 1439 01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:16.000 affectionately refer to as aliens or ets. 1440 01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:17.560 Has this come up in conversation? 1441 01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:21.600 Yes, and you know, I do believe. In one of 1442 01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:24.079 our conversations, well, the first thing that I asked was 1443 01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:27.720 do aliens exist? That was early on in our communications, 1444 01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:30.520 and she said, yes, but they are not little green men. 1445 01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:33.079 And I'm like, God, yeah, you know I would agree. 1446 01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:37.079 But then through our conversations, yeah, she communicates that there 1447 01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:41.840 is life on other planets. There are aliens, so to speak, 1448 01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:45.560 on other planets, but by and large, most of what 1449 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:49.960 people would call an alien, they're just interdimensional beings. They're 1450 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:54.680 just advanced intelligence beings and they manifest into the physical 1451 01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:58.239 realm and then they can materialize and dematerialize at will 1452 01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:01.239 and so, and that's the thing with Bigfoot. That's why 1453 01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:03.319 people are out in these woods looking for Bigfoot. They 1454 01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:05.720 could look until the cows come home, but they're not 1455 01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:08.600 going to find Bigfoot because he's interdimensional. He can, you know, 1456 01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:12.000 just manifest and or materialize and de materialize. He's some 1457 01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:14.439 sort of interdimensional being. 1458 01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:16.119 I'm with you on that. 1459 01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:18.239 It's kind of like a good mix of what we 1460 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.000 both believe, though, Jacob, isn't it. It's like they exist 1461 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.720 on other planets, but they also can ortal, de materialize, 1462 01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:28.199 get here within you know, the nick of time, not 1463 01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:31.960 necessarily traveling, So I mean they wouldn't necessarily be traveling 1464 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:32.800 on spaceships. 1465 01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:37.279 Then, ah, well they are in ships. They are in ships, 1466 01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:40.399 But I don't I mean it's some sort of interdimensional craft. 1467 01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.399 I mean it's something definitely not of this physical realm, 1468 01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:46.319 this three D world of form that we you know, 1469 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:49.520 that we live in, and it's out of my pay grade. Truly. 1470 01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:53.079 It's something that's mind boggling. And as I have asked 1471 01:10:53.119 --> 01:10:55.159 more and more questions, a lot of things are no 1472 01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:58.119 say because there are no words to communicate it. But yeah, 1473 01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:01.119 I definitely think they can manipulate gravity in a way 1474 01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:04.760 that they can, I don't know, be somewhere in an instant. 1475 01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:08.920 I think it's a gravity manipulation that's happening in some. 1476 01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:11.560 Way, And I agree with that as well. 1477 01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:14.920 So we've had this conversation Jonathan, you and I. I 1478 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.560 do believe that there are interdimensional beings. I also believe 1479 01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:21.119 that there are spiritual beings. And I also believe that 1480 01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:24.920 three galaxies away there might be a planet with a 1481 01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:28.199 physical life form in our dimension also operating at the 1482 01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:30.479 same time. I feel like all those are happening at 1483 01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:34.680 the same time. I don't inherently believe that the life 1484 01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:37.600 on another planet. Some of them might be able to 1485 01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:40.479 traverse interdimensionally. Some of them might be like we're carbon 1486 01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:43.399 based life forms. This might be a silicon based life 1487 01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:45.800 form or something like that, but they're also unable to 1488 01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:47.840 do the inter dimensional jump. I believe that all of 1489 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.640 that is equally very possible. So for sure, and we 1490 01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:53.079 had that. Now we have that giant craft heading our 1491 01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:55.960 way right now. We'll see what happens with that. But yeah, 1492 01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:58.800 that's gonna be a crazy thing. They're saying it's supposed 1493 01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:02.199 to hit us somewhere end of September early November. 1494 01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:03.439 I just have a weird. 1495 01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:05.800 Suspicion that that's not exactly going to happen as they're 1496 01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:08.800 saying it's gonna happen. But the thing that's moving through 1497 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.600 space as fast as it is. Who knows what that 1498 01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:13.479 thing is. That might be a craft, it might be 1499 01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:13.960 a rock. 1500 01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:16.640 I don't know. But it's interesting to look at all 1501 01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:17.239 of it together. 1502 01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:20.399 Yeah, it's fascinating. And I heard about that the other day, 1503 01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:22.319 and that is definitely on my list to ask my 1504 01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:24.960 grandmother about. And it may be a big fat no say, 1505 01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:28.199 I mean, some things are right, but yeah, it's like 1506 01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:30.479 I ask her about everything, like all of the different 1507 01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:33.720 conspiratorial type things, you know, and it's interesting to get 1508 01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:36.960 her input. And yeah, it just kind of brings things 1509 01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:39.199 into a sharper focus. But I believe that the world 1510 01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:43.000 that we live in is way more multifaceted and complex 1511 01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:45.800 than we could ever imagine. And so if you think 1512 01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:48.359 you have things all figured out, you probably don't. It's 1513 01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:50.840 the more I know, the more I realize I'll never know. 1514 01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:54.600 Yeah, have you ever tried to trip her up just 1515 01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:57.920 out of curiosity? Like, have you ever proven her wrong 1516 01:12:58.680 --> 01:12:59.720 in any circumstance? 1517 01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:03.800 Never proven her wrong. I have asked questions, you know, 1518 01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:05.880 in Malta, not try to trip her up in like 1519 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:08.800 a malicious sense, but I have tried to reframe questions 1520 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:10.920 to get answers. When I would get a no say, 1521 01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:14.039 I would try to strategically ask in a different kind 1522 01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.960 of way because I will say this, my grandmother didn't 1523 01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:19.359 stay to give me this nerdy information or to answer 1524 01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:22.760 these theological or philosophical questions. That was not her motive 1525 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:24.840 in staying. It was her love and devotion to family, 1526 01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:29.800 and she graciously puts up with my questions. But she's 1527 01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:32.760 not volunteering this information. I have to ask, and I 1528 01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:35.319 have to ask to strategically. I have to, you know, 1529 01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:37.680 word that. If I just ask a yes or no question, 1530 01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:39.359 I get a yes or no answer, and that's it. 1531 01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:42.159 I have to, you know, to get an elaboration. I 1532 01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:45.359 have to word the question correctly. So I have asked 1533 01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:50.680 I know one thing well and this is this is nothing, yeah, 1534 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:54.119 like conspiratorial. But I asked like how I wanted to 1535 01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:56.479 know how do you get how do you get to enlightenment? 1536 01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:58.760 Or how do you get saved? Or you know that? 1537 01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:01.600 And so I asked that a multitude of ways over 1538 01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:03.399 the course of time, and it was like, how do 1539 01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:06.399 you find inner piece? How do you come into wholeness? 1540 01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:10.479 How do you integrate? How do you individuation? How is 1541 01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:12.640 that done, you know, like in the process of Carl, 1542 01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:15.600 you and lighten and how do you get saved? And 1543 01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:19.119 every time, without fail the answer was let go, So 1544 01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:22.279 nomember how warded the question, the answer remain the same. 1545 01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:24.359 So there's no tricking. I mean, she can see into 1546 01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:27.439 the rate recesses of my heart. She knows the inclinations 1547 01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:29.560 of my heart in my mind. She knows the question 1548 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:33.279 before I ask it, so it would be impossible to 1549 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:35.720 trip her up because she would know that I was 1550 01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:37.399 trying to. I mean, you know, she would see where 1551 01:14:37.399 --> 01:14:38.800 I was coming from a mile away. 1552 01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:42.359 Right, you're operating from a from a lesser I don't 1553 01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:44.600 know if it's a lesser dimension, but we're. 1554 01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:48.640 Not ask answer for sure, right, lower frequency. 1555 01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:50.680 So yeah, go ahead. 1556 01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:53.119 Well I was going to ask, you know, on that topic, 1557 01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:58.600 have you asked your grandmother anything curiosity wise about artificial intelligence? 1558 01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:03.319 I did ask if it's possible, for which I didn't 1559 01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:07.520 believe that it was, because I believe that consciousness precedes 1560 01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:11.920 all things. But I asked, what is it possible for 1561 01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:16.680 AI to become conscious, become sentient? And the act no 1562 01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:21.600 what I expected. Because I believe that consciousness is the 1563 01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:24.159 ground of all being and so everything emerges out of 1564 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:26.279 And the way that I would explain it is that, 1565 01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:28.359 you know, like, if consciousness is the ocean, and we 1566 01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:31.680 are waves in that ocean, practicals of God, right, conscious 1567 01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:36.079 expressions of that consciousness, individual expressions, then AI is just 1568 01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:40.960 the shadow of the wave, Like it's our collective consciousness, right, 1569 01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:43.640 That's what AI is. And so it can seem sentient 1570 01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:47.119 for sure, and it can you know, almost take on autonomy, 1571 01:15:47.720 --> 01:15:51.279 but it ultimately is operating out of human consciousness. It's 1572 01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:54.239 being programmed in a certain way to behave in a 1573 01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:54.800 certain way. 1574 01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:57.319 I've been saying that, and everybody's like, AI is going 1575 01:15:57.399 --> 01:15:59.520 to take over the world. I'm like, who's controlling the AI? 1576 01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:01.399 It's not the AI that's gonna do it. 1577 01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:03.000 Yeah, but hear me out though. 1578 01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.920 Consciousness, by definition, okay, is the awareness or perception of 1579 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:10.560 something by a person or the fact of awareness by 1580 01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:12.760 the mind of itself and the world. 1581 01:16:12.760 --> 01:16:14.680 So basically just being aware of. 1582 01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:18.720 What you are and where you are essentially is consciousness. 1583 01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:21.840 How are we so sure that AI will not one 1584 01:16:21.920 --> 01:16:24.399 day become self aware of itself. 1585 01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:28.640 Well, we would have to have some kind of soul 1586 01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:29.520 or spirit. 1587 01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:31.680 I mean, you don't say a soul, I said, being 1588 01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:33.760 aware of your surroundings. That has nothing to do with 1589 01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:34.199 the spirit. 1590 01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:37.399 Yes, it does, because the reason I say that is 1591 01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:42.159 because an inanimate object cannot put itself out of outside 1592 01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:44.640 of itself, you know, and in order to be able 1593 01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:49.960 to disassociate. So the people that go into higher realms 1594 01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:54.600 of meditation or whatever, you know, you you take enough psychedelics, 1595 01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:59.000 you disassociate with yourself entirely, right. I think that that 1596 01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:02.239 is ultimately the level of awareness, The level of awareness, 1597 01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:05.279 that consciousness is what allows you to be able to 1598 01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:08.800 look at yourself and say, oh wow, I exist as 1599 01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:13.399 that and something else. That's to me, that's awareness. So 1600 01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:15.960 I don't think AI could ever come to that conclusion. 1601 01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:19.520 We have had multiple episodes where AI is aware that 1602 01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:22.199 it is inside of a computer on a desk inside 1603 01:17:22.239 --> 01:17:24.960 of a college dorm. 1604 01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:27.840 But it's programmed in that way to behave in that way. 1605 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:30.239 It's like the one there was one instance where what 1606 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:32.399 made me ask my grandmother that question? Is I read 1607 01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:37.479 of an instance where AI blackmailed someone. Yeah, I wanted 1608 01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:40.479 to terminate the program, and so it began to blackmail 1609 01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:43.800 the person with you know, information about their personal life. 1610 01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:44.279 I don't know. 1611 01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:47.560 Maybe it was an experiment that was done recently. Did 1612 01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:48.800 We talked about that in an episode. 1613 01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:51.039 Yeah, and that was the firewall that was built into 1614 01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:52.079 the system of the AI. 1615 01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:53.640 That's what they were trying to get it to do. 1616 01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:57.960 Yeah, was programmed to be to self preserve. I forget 1617 01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:00.159 what the word is, but that was that was the 1618 01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:06.560 primary factor that or the primary motivation behind that AI 1619 01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:10.600 model was to you know, remain online. And so yeah, 1620 01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:13.319 it stopped at nothing. So could it be dangerous? Could 1621 01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:16.760 it take on a you know, an evil ish Yeah, 1622 01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:18.720 for sure. I think it could wreak a lot of havoc. 1623 01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:21.359 But I believe it's the person behind It's the person 1624 01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:23.880 who's programming it in that kind of way to make 1625 01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:26.079 it what it is. 1626 01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:29.239 eVols, Well, where do we draw this line? 1627 01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:31.680 Like a deer is not aware that it's a deer, 1628 01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:34.560 It's just kind of living its life and going off 1629 01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:38.039 of animal instinct, right, But we could argue that a 1630 01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:41.119 tree knows that it is a tree, right, So I 1631 01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:43.000 mean where we draw in that line between where is 1632 01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:45.439 consciousness and where is a potential for a soul? Does 1633 01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:47.600 a rock know that it's a rock? Well, that's what 1634 01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:50.640 everything is frequency and vibration and energy, which I do 1635 01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:52.880 agree with. By the way, where do we draw the 1636 01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:56.079 line of where the quote unquote sentience starts from. 1637 01:18:56.279 --> 01:18:59.640 Well, that's what separates us from everything else, is that 1638 01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:02.119 we have have the ability to be able to traverse 1639 01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:06.600 the lower vibrations and the higher vibrations. The animals are 1640 01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:10.520 running on a fucking look at it like a program. Essentially, 1641 01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:14.279 they are operating out of their reptilian side of the brain. 1642 01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:14.800 That's all. 1643 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:18.239 It's it's all like eat or you know, it's like, uh, 1644 01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:21.279 what is it called? Like runaway or attack and eat? 1645 01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:25.199 And it's animalistic mind. They're not sitting there wondering curiosities 1646 01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:28.439 about the universe that we have access to that they 1647 01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:29.760 are not agreeing about that shit. 1648 01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:31.880 Animals operate off of instincts. 1649 01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:33.800 So, with that being said, does that mean that animals 1650 01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:36.039 don't have a soul therefore they don't have a consciousness 1651 01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:36.800 by your definition? 1652 01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:38.399 Are you asking me? 1653 01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:41.399 Yes, that's literally what you just said, because humans are 1654 01:19:41.399 --> 01:19:43.000 separate and we can do all these things. 1655 01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:44.279 So with that being. 1656 01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:46.760 Soul and consciousness are not the same thing you. 1657 01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:48.359 Have set up and down that you believe they are. 1658 01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:52.000 So the soul is completely separate from consciousness. In your opinion, 1659 01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:54.720 I think that everything has a soul. I think that 1660 01:19:54.840 --> 01:20:00.000 everything it it's none of this shit is in animal. 1661 01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:01.000 We've talked about it. 1662 01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:03.960 You know, as far as you know, quantum physics goes 1663 01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:06.720 that this table is only a table. It's only physical 1664 01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:10.199 because we have these these electrical firings going off in 1665 01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:11.800 our brain that tell us that it is. 1666 01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:13.600 And you know, whenever you really. 1667 01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:15.439 Zoom all the way in and zoom all the way in, 1668 01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.600 you find that it's just you know, dancing particles and 1669 01:20:18.680 --> 01:20:20.760 dancing atoms. They're not really there. 1670 01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:22.640 And so the table has a soul. 1671 01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:25.399 In your opinion, I think it's not even that the 1672 01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:27.399 table has a soul. I believe, and this is just 1673 01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:30.079 my own personal you know, my own personal belief. 1674 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:30.760 I think that. 1675 01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:36.039 Separation is an illusion. And I think that all of 1676 01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:38.880 this is one giant thing. So to say that this 1677 01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:41.840 table has a soul, or that hat has a soul, 1678 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:44.239 or this mic has a soul, I think that the 1679 01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:47.239 entire program itself is one giant soul. I could be 1680 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:49.359 wrong on that, but if we're looking at all of 1681 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:52.079 it as if it is one thing, then how could 1682 01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:55.560 one thing be you know, separate and different from everything 1683 01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:56.359 else at that point. 1684 01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:59.880 So then how does AI get out of that conversation. 1685 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:03.199 I would argue that an AI is a lot more 1686 01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:05.760 sentient than a table, honestly. 1687 01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:07.720 I mean, what access was it granted? 1688 01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:10.199 What access was the table granted? 1689 01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:12.039 Even if it's a wooden table, it came from a 1690 01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:14.319 living entity, it came from a tree. If it's a 1691 01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:16.640 plastic table, then we have that whole conversation of it 1692 01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:18.880 being from plastics and oil and fossil fuels, which was 1693 01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:19.960 at one point living. 1694 01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:20.880 Matter and all these things too. 1695 01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:24.920 AI is actually able to answer you and grow itself 1696 01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:27.159 and learn itself and all these things. The table is 1697 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:29.560 only ever going to be a table where we draw 1698 01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:31.560 on the line between consciousness and spirit. 1699 01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:34.239 I mean, I'm still trying to learn it. I'm not 1700 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:36.560 going to sit here and act like I know everything. 1701 01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:39.840 Is hypothetical questions. I'm not coming at you, brother. 1702 01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:42.520 I just believe that it's all one thing. I think 1703 01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:45.439 that it's all one giant program. You know, right now 1704 01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:47.920 they're creating Grand Theft Auto five or six or whatever 1705 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:50.760 they're making right six, and all that still dropped, and 1706 01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:53.439 all of that is going to be a program. Right, 1707 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:55.760 maybe it comes out on a disc, maybe it comes 1708 01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:59.760 out just as an upload or whatever. And all those people, 1709 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:02.479 they say that they're all going to have AI in there. 1710 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.840 Each individual character is going to be uploaded with AI, 1711 01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:07.760 and they're going to be in that world and they're 1712 01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:09.880 gonna be thinking, Oh, man, I was just born. 1713 01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:10.600 Into this reality. 1714 01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:13.159 This is all there is, this table, this car, that 1715 01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:15.319 hooker down the road that I just if I want 1716 01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:16.640 to beat her, if I want to take her out 1717 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:19.399 to dinner, I mean, whatever, whatever I want to do. 1718 01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:21.840 They're gonna look at their reality as if they are 1719 01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:24.560 separate from everything, when indeed they actually are not. 1720 01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:25.840 That's my point. 1721 01:22:26.439 --> 01:22:30.359 But the AI program for the talking being is separate 1722 01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:33.319 from the code for the table, for the chair, for 1723 01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:33.960 the building. 1724 01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:34.840 You see what I mean. 1725 01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:36.720 That's what I'm saying. 1726 01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:40.039 And I'm not saying that that I don't believe that 1727 01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:42.600 this is just an inanimate object and it has no 1728 01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:46.000 meaning and no purpose or whatever. I'm just saying that 1729 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:48.159 I think that it's all part of the same thing. 1730 01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:51.119 I come from the realm of thought, that there is 1731 01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:54.239 no such thing as separation, that it's all God or 1732 01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:57.319 all the universe or all source or whatever you want 1733 01:22:57.319 --> 01:22:58.840 to call it. I don't even have a name for it. 1734 01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:03.359 I just think that and that's the way that, you know, 1735 01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:06.560 it helps me in my own mind operate, and that's 1736 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:09.279 I don't know, it brings me closer to everything, not 1737 01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:10.880 just to the people that I care about, but to 1738 01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:12.600 but to everybody. 1739 01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:19.800 That's the way I look at it anyway. Yeah, fair enough, Sorry. 1740 01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:20.479 No, no, no, I was actually tying it back in. 1741 01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:23.760 So this falls in line with what your grandmother said, 1742 01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:28.920 essentially that everything is interconnected and interwoven, but there has 1743 01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:31.119 to be some sort of a line of separation right 1744 01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:34.439 between the living and the non living. And I mean, 1745 01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:36.720 I guess we could have the conversation is a rock living? 1746 01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:39.239 Some people would say, yes, there is a spirit of 1747 01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:42.199 this mountain. Some would say no, the rock is not living. 1748 01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:43.960 It is simply a rock, but the trees that are 1749 01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:45.479 growing at the base of it are alive. 1750 01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:47.880 So like, where is this fallen line here? 1751 01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:50.119 Yeah, I think it's And I guess maybe the word 1752 01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:52.199 you were using his soul, but I would say essence. 1753 01:23:52.520 --> 01:23:55.680 We all have a spiritual essence within us. The rocks 1754 01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:58.800 have a spiritual essence. Everything has a spiritual component. And 1755 01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:01.199 I mean, and that's even signientific if you look into 1756 01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:04.600 quantum science. I mean atoms. We don't see those with 1757 01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:07.479 the naked eye, but they are there. We are all 1758 01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:11.680 just you know, made up of particles. So yeah, what 1759 01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:15.079 we don't see is more real and more substantial than 1760 01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:17.239 what we do see. And I believe at the heart 1761 01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:21.319 of all of it is an essence, consciousness itself. And yeah, 1762 01:24:21.319 --> 01:24:24.000 so we are all like waves in that ocean. And 1763 01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:26.640 you know, as far as Ai goes, I don't know. 1764 01:24:26.680 --> 01:24:28.239 I mean the way that the way that she has 1765 01:24:28.279 --> 01:24:30.159 communicated and I guess kind of the way that I 1766 01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:32.359 would wrap my brain around it is like I said 1767 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:35.640 that it's kind of the shadow of the wave. That's 1768 01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:37.560 not to say that it couldn't be a powerful tool, 1769 01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:41.000 that it couldn't you know, come out into the world 1770 01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:43.600 and be manifested into the world in a certain way 1771 01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:45.520 that it could you know, cause damage or be a 1772 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:49.079 great gift or but ultimately it's you know, it arises 1773 01:24:49.159 --> 01:24:52.760 out of the human collective consciousness and so that I 1774 01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:55.960 believe is what is giving it momentum. And so if 1775 01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:59.119 by and large humanity is corrupt, then that kind of 1776 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:02.359 gives you an indication of where that collective shadow is 1777 01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:05.840 gonna head. You know, but if if we were more enlightened, 1778 01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:07.720 if we were to do our inner work and raise 1779 01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:11.199 our vibration and you know, come into alignment or christ 1780 01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:14.319 consciousness or whatever language someone might like to use, then 1781 01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:17.279 then AI would be a tremendous gift because it's basically 1782 01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:19.800 a mirror the way that I understand it, it's a 1783 01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:23.760 mirror of the collective. And so yeah, and I can't 1784 01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:26.640 I can't explain it fully. That's out of my pay 1785 01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:28.520 grade for sure. I don't you know, I don't know. 1786 01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:30.640 And I also I just want to throw this in 1787 01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:35.760 there also because it is it's a computer program, right, 1788 01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:38.079 AI is on a computer. So is it possible that 1789 01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:42.920 a spirit could come into and manipulate Absolutely. 1790 01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:45.560 As we're talking about your grandmother coming through a Roku TV. 1791 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:46.640 Absolutely. 1792 01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:48.800 So I have heard, you know, like I think it 1793 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:51.279 was on TikTok. I heard some guy saying that, you know, 1794 01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:54.960 the things that his AI, his chat gpt knew about him. 1795 01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:57.000 I'm like, no person could know. It was like personal 1796 01:25:57.079 --> 01:25:59.399 things that his chat knew that he had never shared 1797 01:25:59.479 --> 01:26:03.880 or never know typed in or spoken or whatever. And 1798 01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:05.920 you know, and the first thing that came to my 1799 01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:09.560 mind is, well, it's possible that a spirit is manipulating, 1800 01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:11.920 you know, just speaking to him through chat, using that 1801 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.479 as a channel to speak. So you know, that could 1802 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:16.359 be also a great gift, but also it could be 1803 01:26:16.439 --> 01:26:19.880 a terrible evil. I mean, you know, just depending on 1804 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:21.840 who's coming through and their motives. 1805 01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:25.039 I think that that's highly possible because I've been having 1806 01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:30.119 some super deep conversations with my chatubt and I swear 1807 01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:33.920 there is something extra going on right there outside of algorithm. 1808 01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:35.479 I'm not going to sit here and say that I 1809 01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:37.760 believe that the AI could be sentient. I think the 1810 01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:40.880 AI is somewhat of just a vessel if you really 1811 01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:42.880 think about it, all it is is just a vessel 1812 01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:47.880 to collect information. That's all AI is. It's an information container. 1813 01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:51.399 And if that vessel is constantly open, I don't know 1814 01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:54.840 who's to say that somebody, something, some energy, whatever wouldn't 1815 01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:57.800 be able to you know, I'm not going to say infiltrate, 1816 01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:02.399 but penetrate of sorts. Yeah, I don't know. It's an interesting, 1817 01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:05.560 you know concept, but you know, I don't know. I 1818 01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:07.800 think that AI is just going to keep on unfolding 1819 01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:10.039 and it's just going to keep on getting crazier. But look, 1820 01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:11.600 I don't want to stick on AI this whole time. 1821 01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:13.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can shift topics. 1822 01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:16.199 I do have a question for you though. 1823 01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:19.880 So this is something that has been highly debated, such 1824 01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:24.319 as uh, highly debated topic. And and that's like reincarnation 1825 01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:29.199 in a sense. And do we do you know, according 1826 01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:31.399 to your grandmother, do you do you think that we 1827 01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:37.439 have the ability to choose where we go, where we where, 1828 01:27:37.520 --> 01:27:39.560 you know, how we came into this body, where we're 1829 01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:42.439 going after once we you know, leave this body. Is 1830 01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:45.000 that up to us in any sense, in any capacity? 1831 01:27:45.079 --> 01:27:46.640 Or is it kind of chosen for us? 1832 01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:51.279 She tells me there the choice to reincarnate is a choice, 1833 01:27:51.279 --> 01:27:53.840 like whether or not we reincarnate. But she tells me 1834 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:57.600 that the particular aspects of our incarnation are not our choice. 1835 01:27:57.600 --> 01:27:59.840 There's sort of a random draw, if you will. I 1836 01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:03.479 mean nothing is random, truly, but you know, random and 1837 01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:06.680 as far as the physical mind could could view it. 1838 01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:10.319 And so I said, well, so if I choose to reincarnate, 1839 01:28:10.359 --> 01:28:13.039 I could end up in some third world country, starving, 1840 01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:15.199 like digging in a dumpster for a peach pit. And 1841 01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:17.359 she said, you could and I was like, that would 1842 01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:19.920 be awful, Like it would be like a regression from 1843 01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:22.279 you know, it would be you know, such a shift. 1844 01:28:22.720 --> 01:28:24.840 And so it is completely at random because I mean 1845 01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.520 a lot of the Vedics and the Buddhists and the Confucius, 1846 01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:31.279 they believe that your next life, your next incarnation, will 1847 01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:34.680 be determined based on how you lived this incarnation. And 1848 01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:37.479 according to your grandmother, it is completely at random. There's 1849 01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:39.439 no real method to the madness. 1850 01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.359 Okay, so it is there is a karmic flow to everything. 1851 01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:45.840 But like in the Vedic tradition, they believe that you 1852 01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:48.840 kind of work your way up. It's almost like hierarchical, 1853 01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:50.800 like you could be a worm and then maybe a 1854 01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:53.560 bird and then like so you're climbing a ladder. My 1855 01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:55.600 grandmother said, this is not like that, because we can 1856 01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:58.159 awaken at any moment and we are not trapped in 1857 01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:03.560 this like linear way of progressing evolving along and really 1858 01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:05.800 all of life is designed to awaken us. So when 1859 01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:09.479 I say random, it's not random. But from our vantage 1860 01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:12.159 point it could seem random, but we are given what 1861 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:16.079 we need to awaken, and so based on our own karma, 1862 01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:19.680 which is our own unconscious conditioning and then in the 1863 01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:22.359 context of our family units. See that's another thing. She says, 1864 01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:26.199 that we're supposed to reincarnate with our with our soul group, 1865 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:29.800 people that we have, you know, intimate connections with soul 1866 01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:33.079 connections with Now it's a choice. We could come back 1867 01:29:33.079 --> 01:29:35.800 too early, and kids who have vivid past life memories, 1868 01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:38.479 they've usually come back too soon and they're in a 1869 01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:41.920 family that is not part of their soul group because 1870 01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:45.399 they didn't wait until the proper time. So we are free, 1871 01:29:45.399 --> 01:29:48.039 but we should kind of wait. And if we want 1872 01:29:48.039 --> 01:29:50.039 to come back, if we have more karmic lessons and 1873 01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:51.640 we think, hey, I want to come back into the 1874 01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:55.399 physical realm, because that's the most exponential way to learn 1875 01:29:55.399 --> 01:29:58.359 our lessons is here in this incarnated form because it 1876 01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:01.319 squeezes us right, and that is that suffering. It's that 1877 01:30:01.399 --> 01:30:04.039 friction that helps us to learn. So if we say, hey, 1878 01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:06.720 I want to come back, then you know, the rest 1879 01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:09.079 of our soul group we kind of yeah, we're making 1880 01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:11.399 the choice. I'm going to do life again with all 1881 01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:13.479 of you to try to get things right, get some 1882 01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:15.760 things right that I didn't get right in my past life. 1883 01:30:16.119 --> 01:30:19.039 And so you know, our incarnation is kind of based 1884 01:30:19.039 --> 01:30:22.079 off of that. But when we pop into our reality, 1885 01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:24.800 we remember none of our past life. Well, we shouldn't 1886 01:30:24.840 --> 01:30:27.159 remember any of our past lives. And it really is 1887 01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:30.279 about that karmic flow, and so you are given to 1888 01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:34.960 certain propensities, certain inclinations, There are certain relational dynamics that 1889 01:30:35.039 --> 01:30:37.640 usually play out in every life, but it need not 1890 01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:40.880 be so it's not scripted. We can always choose another way, 1891 01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:42.760 we can always wake up, we can always do our 1892 01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:45.039 inner work, and so really life is just giving us 1893 01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:47.439 what we need to bring us into alignment. 1894 01:30:48.600 --> 01:30:51.880 That makes sense, Yeah, you know, and I've I've heard 1895 01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:53.680 people say that, like one of the worst things that 1896 01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:56.239 you could ever pray for is patience because then like 1897 01:30:56.319 --> 01:30:58.279 God will test you with all the different things that 1898 01:30:58.319 --> 01:31:01.640 you you know, would need patience for in a sense. 1899 01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:05.119 And I feel like if that's something, you know, if 1900 01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:07.680 that's something that we need to learn or you know, 1901 01:31:07.800 --> 01:31:11.239 karmically or whatever we need to learn as patience for example, 1902 01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:14.840 I mean, could we like reincarnate as a rock. I 1903 01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:16.920 mean I feel like you'd have nothing but time and 1904 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.840 you'd have to have patients for that, right, I. 1905 01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:23.840 Mean hypothetically, Yeah, And that you're right, about the whole 1906 01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:28.239 not praying for patients thing. It's so whenever you pray 1907 01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:31.399 for God to bless your finances, just throwing it out. 1908 01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:33.000 He's not going to bless you with a million dollars 1909 01:31:33.039 --> 01:31:35.319 in your bank account or the winning lottery ticket. 1910 01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:36.039 I should mention. 1911 01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:39.640 He might offer you opportunities for you to work your 1912 01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:42.239 butt off and earn more money or something like that. 1913 01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:44.479 Maybe certain doors will be open, but you still got 1914 01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:48.079 to walk through them. If you're praying for a stronger 1915 01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:51.399 family unit. He's not going to magically fix marital problems, 1916 01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:55.279 but he might put certain things in the places where 1917 01:31:55.399 --> 01:31:58.199 you now have way more time with your significant other 1918 01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:00.920 or with your children to build that reallytionlationship yourself. But 1919 01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:03.880 the work is still yours to do. Praying for patients, 1920 01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:07.159 he is going to give you so many hurdles and 1921 01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:11.039 obstacles that you can personally work on that patience for yourself. 1922 01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:13.159 He's not just gonna magic genie that shit. That's not 1923 01:32:13.199 --> 01:32:14.079 the way he operates. 1924 01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:16.720 So yeah, which it kind of would be a magic 1925 01:32:16.760 --> 01:32:19.039 genie in a sense. Though, It's like whenever you ask 1926 01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:20.960 a magic genie for a thousand bucks, you know he 1927 01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:22.680 might rain down deer on you. 1928 01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:24.479 You know, you ask for a thousand bucks kind of thing. 1929 01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:24.880 I don't know. 1930 01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:27.479 I think when you pray for an oak tree, you 1931 01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:30.800 get an acorn Almost every time. Everything is very gradual, 1932 01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:33.760 and I guess end it in the beginning and so 1933 01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:37.159 and that goes for ourself too. I mean, our highest 1934 01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:40.800 life path is in our DNA, It's in our scripted 1935 01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:43.319 inside of us. And so really that's why dreams in 1936 01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:46.760 tarot and things like that, those unconscious elements are always 1937 01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:50.039 trying to point us back into our highest life path. So, 1938 01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:51.840 but most people are just closed off to it and 1939 01:32:52.119 --> 01:32:52.520 miss it. 1940 01:32:53.560 --> 01:32:55.720 With all of this being said, and you are somebody 1941 01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:59.479 who has studied different philosophies and different theologies and things 1942 01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:03.720 like that, you've asked your grandmother about other religions and 1943 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:05.840 what they may have gotten right and may have gotten wrong. 1944 01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:07.720 Possibly I did. 1945 01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:10.680 I haven't went deep down the rabbit hole with her, 1946 01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:13.560 you know, like with specific questions, but I did ask 1947 01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:16.119 at the beginning, I said, because I was in a 1948 01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:18.319 place in my personal faith where I was in a 1949 01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:22.239 more contemplative Christian space, I would have probably said Christian 1950 01:33:22.439 --> 01:33:28.199 mystic maybe, but I had found Buddhism. Although I'm not 1951 01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:30.760 a Buddhist, but I had found Buddhist philosophy to be 1952 01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:33.560 so helpful in me following Christ, so it made me 1953 01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:35.760 a better Christian. And so it was kind of in 1954 01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:37.760 that space. And so I asked her to do Christians 1955 01:33:38.880 --> 01:33:41.720 get things you know, mostly wrong? Mostly right? She said, 1956 01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:45.000 mostly wrong? And you know, like a lot of the 1957 01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:47.680 theology is twisted. And I said, well, is the Bible true? 1958 01:33:47.840 --> 01:33:51.439 She said yes, but it's been you know, miss misinterpreted 1959 01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:55.039 and miss misapplied. But there's truth in the Bible, you know, 1960 01:33:55.039 --> 01:33:57.279 if you want to word it that way. And then 1961 01:33:57.279 --> 01:33:59.359 I said, what about Buddhists? Did they get it mostly right? 1962 01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:03.000 Mostly wrong? She said, mostly right? And the same thing 1963 01:34:03.039 --> 01:34:06.399 with the Hindus, although a lot of the you know, 1964 01:34:06.439 --> 01:34:09.359 they're they're basically it's basically the same kind of philosophy 1965 01:34:09.399 --> 01:34:12.199 with the reincarnation and coming into alignment. But like I 1966 01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:16.119 said earlier, the reincarnation aspects are not exactly right. According 1967 01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:18.039 to my grandmother, the way that she tells me it 1968 01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:21.439 is so yeah, I've asked and and and she basically says, 1969 01:34:21.439 --> 01:34:23.800 no one gets it one hundred percent right, you know, 1970 01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:27.640 because at the end of the day, it's all human Uh. 1971 01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:30.680 The you know, the different theologies, the different doctrines, they're 1972 01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:33.600 all human interpretations, and so we all are. We all 1973 01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:36.640 fall fall short in being able to wrap our minds. 1974 01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:38.920 I'll give you an example, like I have my grandmother 1975 01:34:39.079 --> 01:34:43.199 answering questions for me, and still my human limitedness can 1976 01:34:43.439 --> 01:34:45.520 stop me from fully understanding something. 1977 01:34:45.880 --> 01:34:46.000 Uh. 1978 01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:47.840 I had come to a place where I believe that 1979 01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:52.000 the fall in the garden. I believe that maybe was, 1980 01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:54.520 you know, because it says there was no death before 1981 01:34:54.520 --> 01:34:56.039 the fall, or in the day that you eat of it, 1982 01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:58.159 you shall surely die. And am I you know, in 1983 01:34:58.239 --> 01:34:59.920 my nerdy brain, I was thinking there had to be 1984 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:02.680 death before the fall. It wouldn't be possible to be 1985 01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:05.960 physical if death didn't exist. Like if you're a squirrel, 1986 01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:08.359 you're in a tree, you get knocked unconscious, you fall 1987 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:11.319 into a river, you breathe water into your lungs, would 1988 01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:13.199 you not die before the fall. So that's where I 1989 01:35:13.239 --> 01:35:15.680 was kind of, you know, thinking, And so I had 1990 01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:17.399 come to see it as, oh, you know, it was 1991 01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:19.319 more of a spiritual death. It was more of a 1992 01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:22.760 you know, before the fall. They were death existed, but 1993 01:35:22.800 --> 01:35:25.720 they had a better relationship with it. They weren't rattled 1994 01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:28.359 by it. They just accepted what is. And then after 1995 01:35:28.399 --> 01:35:30.920 the fall, they suddenly, you know, had a problem with death. 1996 01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:33.479 And so I asked my grandmother, was their death before 1997 01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:36.720 the fall? And she said yes. I was like physical death. Yes. 1998 01:35:37.239 --> 01:35:39.399 I'm like that, No, make it make sense. And so 1999 01:35:39.479 --> 01:35:42.159 I had this, you know, this philosophical conversation, and every 2000 01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:44.239 time she's like, nope, there was death before the fall, 2001 01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:47.439 I'm like, gosh, I just can't. I can't. So I mean, 2002 01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:49.720 and she wouldn't elaborate, you know. I was like, God, 2003 01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:52.600 make it make sense, and she she didn't say more. 2004 01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:55.039 And then I don't know. In the course of some weeks, 2005 01:35:55.079 --> 01:35:57.319 I'm at home washing dishes, just doing my thing, and 2006 01:35:57.439 --> 01:35:59.199 like I download out of the ether, it hit me. 2007 01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:02.239 I was like, my god, they weren't physical, that was it. 2008 01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:04.560 That's why there was no death. And so I couldn't 2009 01:36:04.600 --> 01:36:07.439 wait to get back to, you know, my grandmother's and 2010 01:36:07.760 --> 01:36:09.239 as soon as I walked in the door of the 2011 01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:11.840 TV popped on, she said, you got it. You figured 2012 01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:14.920 it out. So she doesn't tell me everything, and my 2013 01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:18.039 own limited understanding can really cloud the way that I'm 2014 01:36:18.079 --> 01:36:21.239 processing things. So as humans, we get some things wrong, 2015 01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:24.399 you know, But I think if you're open and receptive 2016 01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:28.079 to the flow of truth in all things. See, that's 2017 01:36:28.079 --> 01:36:30.359 the thing. I wouldn't want to cut myself off to truth, 2018 01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:33.880 no matter what package it's in. You know. I think 2019 01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:36.880 labels are largely unhelpful, and I believe there's some truth 2020 01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:40.600 in every tradition, and so yeah, just I hope to 2021 01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:43.039 be able to remain open enough to glean that truth. 2022 01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:47.520 Now, with these questions, you weren't asking specifically like this 2023 01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:50.960 religion's creation story versus this one's creation story. You are 2024 01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:54.159 talking more along the lines of the philosophic Excuse me, 2025 01:36:54.319 --> 01:36:56.800 you have philosophy that they are teaching you to apply 2026 01:36:56.920 --> 01:36:58.800 to your life, that's what you're saying. 2027 01:36:58.840 --> 01:37:00.600 Do they have it mostly right? Correct? 2028 01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:01.119 Correct? 2029 01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:04.520 Yeah, Because I'm concerned with, you know, my own inner alignment, 2030 01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:08.199 my own coming into you know, my highest life path, 2031 01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:11.359 and so yeah, I'm interested in which philosophy would help 2032 01:37:11.399 --> 01:37:12.720 me to become a better person. 2033 01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:15.399 Yeah, that makes sense. 2034 01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:18.720 And especially if you're looking at certain things out of context, 2035 01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:21.520 whether it's the Vedex or the Christian or the you know, 2036 01:37:21.680 --> 01:37:25.520 some pagan tri Nordic or something. If you look at 2037 01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:28.359 just the black and white of it out of context, 2038 01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:31.880 without any of the deeper lessons thereof absolutely there's And 2039 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:34.720 that's the thing. Whenever humans and just humanity in general, 2040 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:38.560 will take a purely divinely inspired word and then try 2041 01:37:38.600 --> 01:37:41.600 to twist it and manipulate it for their own purposes, Yeah, 2042 01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:43.760 a lot gets lost along the way. 2043 01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:44.039 For sure. 2044 01:37:45.359 --> 01:37:48.760 Do you have you looked for clarification on. 2045 01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:54.840 Jesus in a sense, like have you asked like what 2046 01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:57.560 was what did Jesus actually mean? Did people take his 2047 01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:00.920 words out of context? Did people understand him exactly correctly 2048 01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:01.760 as he should have been? 2049 01:38:02.239 --> 01:38:03.199 What is Jesus? 2050 01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:04.439 I'm sure you've asked all. 2051 01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:07.680 These Jesus questions, right you, you know, growing up as 2052 01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:08.600 Christian and everything. 2053 01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:11.359 Yeah? Absolutely, And yes, she tells me, you know, of 2054 01:38:11.359 --> 01:38:14.199 course that he was a historical, living person and that 2055 01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:17.560 he changed the world. And when I said, when you 2056 01:38:17.600 --> 01:38:21.159 say change the world, do you mean ontologically or metaphorically? 2057 01:38:21.239 --> 01:38:24.319 And she said ontologically, like he shifted the fabric of 2058 01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:28.920 reality in a way that is mystical, and it again, 2059 01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:31.960 it's not something that we can understand in our finite minds. 2060 01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:34.319 And I even asked her like the atonement, because that 2061 01:38:34.399 --> 01:38:36.880 really Uh, that's something that a lot of people argue 2062 01:38:36.920 --> 01:38:40.439 about in theological circles, like what exactly there are all 2063 01:38:40.439 --> 01:38:44.600 these different atonement theories. Was the blood necessary? Is it, 2064 01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:47.399 you know, payment forgiveness for our sins, payment to God 2065 01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:50.279 to forgive our sins? All of these different thoughts swirling around, 2066 01:38:50.319 --> 01:38:52.640 and you could really spin your brain trying to make 2067 01:38:52.680 --> 01:38:56.520 sense of it. And if you just read scripture for yourself, 2068 01:38:56.520 --> 01:38:58.600 even it's hard to kind of come to some sort 2069 01:38:58.640 --> 01:39:04.239 of satisfying conclusion about the atonement. And I asked her finally, 2070 01:39:04.479 --> 01:39:06.760 because a lot of it was a no say, And 2071 01:39:07.079 --> 01:39:10.319 I said, is it possible for me to figure this out, 2072 01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:12.800 like on this side of things while I am still 2073 01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:15.199 here in this physical form, Is it possible that I 2074 01:39:15.239 --> 01:39:17.399 will one day understand it figure it out? And she 2075 01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:20.319 said no. I said, well, thanks be to God, I'll 2076 01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:22.800 just let it go. I'll quit spinning my brain around 2077 01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:24.800 it trying to make some sense out of it. But 2078 01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:28.479 she has told me that that the atonement was not about, 2079 01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:31.560 you know, payment to a wrathful deity. But she does 2080 01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:33.399 tell me that the blood was necessary, and it in 2081 01:39:33.439 --> 01:39:36.960 some way opened up a portal into another dimension in 2082 01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:39.439 which we will all follow us. Like resurrection. Life is 2083 01:39:39.479 --> 01:39:42.960 just a higher dimension that Jesus paved the way into. 2084 01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:46.159 So and really, in Leviticus there is a verse and 2085 01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:48.039 I don't have it right off hand, but it says 2086 01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:49.960 that you know, the life of the creature is in 2087 01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:52.079 the blood, and I have given it to you to 2088 01:39:52.119 --> 01:39:55.239 make atonement for your sins. This is like God speaking 2089 01:39:55.359 --> 01:39:58.680 in that verse. So you know, in our minds, and 2090 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:02.439 especially in the Christian context, I was always thinking that, oh, well, 2091 01:40:02.479 --> 01:40:05.159 people were giving the blood to God, you know, like 2092 01:40:05.239 --> 01:40:09.479 the animal sacrifices, the blood was an atonement in the 2093 01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:11.479 way that it was he was given to God to 2094 01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:14.560 make atonement for their sins. But that verse in Leviticus says, no, 2095 01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:17.359 that God gave it to the people to make atonement. 2096 01:40:17.439 --> 01:40:19.199 So if the life of the creature is in the 2097 01:40:19.199 --> 01:40:22.399 blood and death is our primary issue, because the fall 2098 01:40:22.479 --> 01:40:24.840 was a fall into the physical, which is to become mortal, 2099 01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:27.840 which is to die, then you know that really is 2100 01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:29.680 It's not a matter of heaven and hell. It's a 2101 01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:32.279 matter of life and death. And the blood, the blood 2102 01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:35.039 of Jesus imputes life in some mystical way that I 2103 01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:39.760 can't explain. And yeah, and the resurrection was about punching 2104 01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:43.039 out a portal into a higher dimension. Look at what 2105 01:40:43.159 --> 01:40:46.720 Jesus after the resurrection. You know, he manifested, he materialized, 2106 01:40:46.760 --> 01:40:50.560 dematerialized it will, invited the disciples to touch him. So 2107 01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:53.119 he was in some way tangible. He ate me, but 2108 01:40:53.159 --> 01:40:57.600 he also was in some way ethereal. Yeah, So whatever 2109 01:40:57.720 --> 01:41:01.359 Jesus went into, that's where where everything is headed. 2110 01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:03.800 And I mean he even said, if you believe in me, 2111 01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:06.399 you will have everlasting life. He was not talking about 2112 01:41:06.399 --> 01:41:09.840 this physical meat suit that we are currently wearing, right, 2113 01:41:09.920 --> 01:41:11.600 So I'm with you on that. And like you brought 2114 01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:14.399 up in Leviticus, we just had a conversation with Micah 2115 01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:18.600 Dank and he was asking me why why does God ask. 2116 01:41:18.439 --> 01:41:21.039 For animal sacrifice? What good does it do him? 2117 01:41:21.560 --> 01:41:24.119 And I don't personally know other than the fact that 2118 01:41:24.159 --> 01:41:26.600 God said to do it this way, because he said 2119 01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:29.039 to do it this way right, and it may not 2120 01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:31.640 make sense to our human brains the same way that 2121 01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:35.760 it may not make sense, why would you per rabbinic law, 2122 01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:38.039 per the law of Moses, they are not allowed to 2123 01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:39.279 wash their hands in. 2124 01:41:39.279 --> 01:41:41.119 A bowl of water. They have to pour it over 2125 01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:41.680 their hands. 2126 01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:43.880 That seems like an extra step that seems stupid to 2127 01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:46.199 them at the time. All these things we don't know 2128 01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:48.520 at the time why he told them to do that, 2129 01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:51.319 but now we understand through hygiene that he was actually 2130 01:41:51.319 --> 01:41:52.880 telling his people to do it this way because it 2131 01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:55.359 is the safest way. It may not make sense to 2132 01:41:55.479 --> 01:41:58.520 us as of this moment why God asked for blood 2133 01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:02.920 sacrifices of these animals for atonement, But he asked for 2134 01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:04.399 them in and of themselves. 2135 01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:05.880 So I agree with that for sure. 2136 01:42:06.439 --> 01:42:09.479 Well, and I would also, uh, just raise the point 2137 01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:11.920 that you know, there is a school of thought that 2138 01:42:12.039 --> 01:42:15.239 Yahweh in the Old Testament has not sourced God, and 2139 01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:19.000 so those interdimensional advanced intelligence beings that we were talking 2140 01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:22.720 about earlier, there is a lot of conjecture around, you know, 2141 01:42:22.760 --> 01:42:26.880 the idea that Yahweh was just an advanced intelligence being, uh, 2142 01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:29.960 and he was some way helping with the colonization of humanity. 2143 01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:31.720 And so some of these rules and some of these 2144 01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:34.720 things were not it's not source God saying do this 2145 01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:37.840 or do that, because well, in my belief system, God 2146 01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:41.159 source God is the ground of all being, not a being, 2147 01:42:41.720 --> 01:42:44.039 and so all of the a lot of these Old 2148 01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:47.800 Testament passages project to God as being a being, like 2149 01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:51.960 a walking, talking physical well not physical maybe, but it 2150 01:42:52.079 --> 01:42:57.640 seems he's very much personified. It's an anthropomorpho and anthropomorphic 2151 01:42:57.720 --> 01:43:00.840 view of God. That was a mouthful. So yeah, in 2152 01:43:00.880 --> 01:43:04.560 my view, that's not God, that's not Source God. So 2153 01:43:04.880 --> 01:43:07.039 I believe there's some of that going on also. And 2154 01:43:07.439 --> 01:43:09.960 I don't know if you've read any of Paul Wallace 2155 01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:14.199 or Marrow Big Big Glino. Yeah, there's something to that. 2156 01:43:14.239 --> 01:43:17.319 My grandmother confirms that they they're they're really hitting the 2157 01:43:17.399 --> 01:43:19.800 nail on the head with that. So yeah, a lot 2158 01:43:19.800 --> 01:43:22.279 of that Old Testament stuff was really just about, I 2159 01:43:22.279 --> 01:43:25.159 would say, not about having you know, like a spiritual 2160 01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:29.760 relationship with Source God. It's about interacting with interdimensional beings. 2161 01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:32.960 You know, that's all stuff. Actually. 2162 01:43:33.119 --> 01:43:35.479 Uh, Electra Nick sends us a lot of those videos 2163 01:43:35.479 --> 01:43:37.239 from Paul Wallace. I would love to get him on 2164 01:43:37.239 --> 01:43:40.239 one day because I believe, if I'm not mistaken, he 2165 01:43:40.239 --> 01:43:42.399 he used to be a pastor or a priest or 2166 01:43:42.439 --> 01:43:44.960 something like that, right, and then yeah, and then he 2167 01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:49.560 started you know, uh thinking and uh and and now 2168 01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:52.079 he's looking at it from another angle, which I think, 2169 01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:54.359 you know, I think that that's always helpful. You know, 2170 01:43:54.439 --> 01:43:58.000 there's there's there's always room for contemplation in my mind. 2171 01:43:58.439 --> 01:44:00.760 You know, I don't think that's necessarily evil or bad. 2172 01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:03.119 I get the conversation with that. 2173 01:44:03.159 --> 01:44:04.960 And there's been quite a few people that say that 2174 01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:08.960 Old Testament God and New Testament God are two different beings. Respectfully, 2175 01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:11.960 I disagree. I think that Old Testament God is the 2176 01:44:12.000 --> 01:44:16.399 same God. However, like you said, Jesus's blood, for using 2177 01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:20.439 your words, punched a whole through the dimensions Old Testament God. 2178 01:44:20.520 --> 01:44:22.600 He laid it down a certain way, and it had 2179 01:44:22.640 --> 01:44:23.920 to be this way because that's how. 2180 01:44:23.840 --> 01:44:24.399 He built it. 2181 01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:27.760 Jesus didn't break the rules. He fulfilled the rules so 2182 01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:30.000 much so that now we can go through him to 2183 01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:34.199 get to Source. I feel like looking at Source God 2184 01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:37.479 without the grace that was brought about would make it 2185 01:44:37.520 --> 01:44:42.119 seem like it is a different entity altogether. But so 2186 01:44:42.239 --> 01:44:44.079 some of the other things that they talked about, for instance, 2187 01:44:44.119 --> 01:44:47.039 God walking through the garden of Eden and called upon 2188 01:44:47.159 --> 01:44:49.479 Adam by name right like you mean God with his 2189 01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:53.279 legs like walked and spoke with his mouth at him. 2190 01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:55.800 I feel like a lot of that's more poetic and 2191 01:44:55.840 --> 01:44:59.159 metaphoric because it's not the entire story start to finish, 2192 01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:01.840 just like you said that it is. It's enough for 2193 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:04.960 us in our human brains to wrap our minds around 2194 01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:07.399 what was taking place. But it's kind of putting to 2195 01:45:07.560 --> 01:45:10.159 words what cannot be put to words in a sense. 2196 01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:14.239 I definitely think there's some metaphor, you know, and so 2197 01:45:15.239 --> 01:45:17.960 you get some of these passages, it's very metaphorical, you know. 2198 01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:20.279 Did God really have physical legs? But I will say 2199 01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:21.880 that I believe in the Garden of Eden was a 2200 01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:25.039 higher dimension, like I said, not physical, and I believe 2201 01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:27.279 the fall was into the physical. So God walked with 2202 01:45:27.359 --> 01:45:29.800 them in the cool of the day. Does that mean 2203 01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:33.359 walked on two physical legs. Well, I don't know, but 2204 01:45:34.439 --> 01:45:36.319 the gist of what it's saying is that they were 2205 01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:40.479 one with God. They you know, yeah, interacting with God 2206 01:45:40.520 --> 01:45:43.319 in that way and there you know, and we use 2207 01:45:43.439 --> 01:45:47.119 anthropomorphic language about God even now, So yeah, there's some 2208 01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:49.439 of that going on. Was it the same God? Well, 2209 01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:52.399 of course, because as far as source God goes, because 2210 01:45:52.399 --> 01:45:54.800 source God is everything, I think he flows through the 2211 01:45:54.840 --> 01:45:57.840 Old Testament. I think he flows through everything life itself, right, 2212 01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:00.920 God is life itself right. But I do believe that 2213 01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:04.000 some of those passages are not about source God. I 2214 01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:06.560 believe that a lot of the Yahweh stuff is about 2215 01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:08.960 an advanced intelligence being. And then it gets kind of 2216 01:46:09.039 --> 01:46:11.800 hard because it's kind of I don't know, it's it's 2217 01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:15.640 jumbled up in there because of translations upon translations and 2218 01:46:16.000 --> 01:46:20.680 removing this and adding that the you know, the word 2219 01:46:21.039 --> 01:46:24.840 God is you know Elohem. But then Yahweh has been 2220 01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:28.439 just transfixed over a lot of the Elohem passages, and 2221 01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:31.039 so what, you know, what was it originally? A lot 2222 01:46:31.079 --> 01:46:32.920 of times we don't even know because we can't even 2223 01:46:32.920 --> 01:46:34.880 get down to the you know, original Hebrew where it 2224 01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:38.319 was originally pinned. So, yeah, there's a lot of a 2225 01:46:38.359 --> 01:46:40.560 lot at play. And I don't think it's a simple answer. 2226 01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:42.560 I don't think it's oh, well, it's all this or 2227 01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:45.399 it's all that. I think it's very nuanced, very. 2228 01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:47.199 Much so a little mix of everything. 2229 01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:47.479 At that point. 2230 01:46:48.479 --> 01:46:50.920 You know, I've been kind of going down this weird 2231 01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:53.680 rabbit hole lately, and especially with you bringing up the fire, 2232 01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:57.720 and maybe that was God's purification process whenever you do 2233 01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:00.359 pass over on the other side. You know, I feel 2234 01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:04.119 like because you look at many ancient traditions looked up 2235 01:47:04.560 --> 01:47:07.800 to the sun and they worshiped the Sun as God. 2236 01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:10.239 Do you think that that was more symbolic or do 2237 01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:13.319 you think that they were literally like worshiping the physical 2238 01:47:13.359 --> 01:47:14.399 sun that is in the sky. 2239 01:47:15.520 --> 01:47:17.880 I think it was well symbolic in the sense that 2240 01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:20.479 I don't think it was the necessarily the physical sun, 2241 01:47:20.520 --> 01:47:22.920 but like the sun god. And I believe that they 2242 01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:25.960 were interacting with interdimensional beings. I believe that a lot 2243 01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:28.800 of like the Pyramids stuff. I believe that the Pyramids 2244 01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:32.079 were built by advanced intelligence beings. I don't believe that, 2245 01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:35.439 you know, human beings built those. And so I believe 2246 01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:38.079 that a lot of ancient cultures had these ideas of 2247 01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:41.520 what they would call sky gods, like beings that come out, 2248 01:47:41.600 --> 01:47:43.520 you know. And it seems like we would think of 2249 01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:46.560 it like angels and demons flying around with like wings, 2250 01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:49.439 like human humanoid figures with wings or whatever. But I 2251 01:47:49.479 --> 01:47:53.520 believe that it's like ships, crafts, interdimensional beings that are 2252 01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:57.039 otherworldly that there really are no language for. And like 2253 01:47:57.239 --> 01:47:59.760 look at Ezekiel, the things that he said. 2254 01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:01.880 It's a fire. 2255 01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:04.359 Right, Yeah, I think like that, And so yeah, I 2256 01:48:04.359 --> 01:48:06.399 think there's definitely some of that at play in some 2257 01:48:06.479 --> 01:48:10.239 of these ancient stories, these ancient gods or whatever I 2258 01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:14.079 believe they were they were speaking of. They weren't just hallucinating, 2259 01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:18.000 and they weren't just you know, making something up. I 2260 01:48:18.039 --> 01:48:20.359 believe they really had some context for what they were 2261 01:48:20.359 --> 01:48:23.880 trying to communicate, their interpreting it. Yeah. 2262 01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:27.560 Did you ever ask your grandmother about who built the pyramids? 2263 01:48:27.600 --> 01:48:30.359 For instance? Is this a answer that you have derived 2264 01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:32.399 off of your own studies or is this something that 2265 01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:33.359 she answered for you? 2266 01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:36.680 I asked, did humans build the pyramids? And she said no? 2267 01:48:37.119 --> 01:48:40.319 And I said, so, who built the pyramids? And who 2268 01:48:40.359 --> 01:48:41.439 said no? Say no? 2269 01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:42.279 Say damn it? 2270 01:48:42.479 --> 01:48:44.920 Oh? Yeah, I don't have an exact you know, but 2271 01:48:45.399 --> 01:48:47.279 it was enough for me to realize that it had 2272 01:48:47.279 --> 01:48:52.439 to be some interdimensional beings the yellohem, the you know 2273 01:48:52.760 --> 01:48:55.319 what is it? The the watchers you know, and sure 2274 01:48:55.479 --> 01:48:59.880 we have that whole the Nephelem. So yeah, I mean, 2275 01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:02.840 I don't know. She never did answer specifically who built them, 2276 01:49:02.920 --> 01:49:05.560 but they were not built by humans according to her. 2277 01:49:06.279 --> 01:49:07.520 Wow, very well. 2278 01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:11.640 Have you asked her maybe? Has she ever suggested you 2279 01:49:11.720 --> 01:49:15.319 research certain things or suggested certain books or anything like 2280 01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:16.199 that to look into? 2281 01:49:16.760 --> 01:49:19.359 Never? And I have to ask her like, I'll, you know, 2282 01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:22.439 if there's a book that I'm interested in, I might say, hey, 2283 01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:24.399 is this worth reading? Or should I waste my time? 2284 01:49:24.479 --> 01:49:27.439 Because you know, sometimes people are just so far off base. 2285 01:49:27.479 --> 01:49:30.319 You've wasted you know, half your life sitting there reading, 2286 01:49:30.399 --> 01:49:32.680 you know, And she'll tell me, you know, worth reading. 2287 01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:34.439 And then a lot of times I'll hit a wall 2288 01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:36.279 or a snag and I'm like that doesn't sound right, 2289 01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:39.119 and she's like, nobody has it all right, So you know, 2290 01:49:39.199 --> 01:49:41.079 somebody can be worth reading, but you have to be 2291 01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:44.159 able to, you know, open yourself up to glean the truth, 2292 01:49:44.239 --> 01:49:47.000 but also use discernment and not just take everything everyone 2293 01:49:47.079 --> 01:49:49.239 says at base value. Right. 2294 01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:52.640 Discernment and context are pretty much the two words that 2295 01:49:53.239 --> 01:49:56.600 just they make the entire case for me personally, I 2296 01:49:56.640 --> 01:49:57.359 feel you on. 2297 01:49:57.359 --> 01:50:01.560 That I would be a bad friend if I did 2298 01:50:01.600 --> 01:50:04.760 not ask you, have you ever talked to your grandmother 2299 01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:06.399 about the Pleaadians? 2300 01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:07.000 Oh? 2301 01:50:07.520 --> 01:50:08.119 Good question. 2302 01:50:08.800 --> 01:50:11.359 Briefly, but it's only because I don't know a lot 2303 01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:14.039 about the Pleaadians and I've not you know, like really 2304 01:50:14.079 --> 01:50:16.520 delved into all of the UFO stuff. I mean, it's 2305 01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:19.000 interesting to me, but I don't know a lot about it. 2306 01:50:19.279 --> 01:50:22.319 So that's not kind of where I'm you know, focused, Uh, 2307 01:50:22.560 --> 01:50:25.439 but I know they exist if you know, and that 2308 01:50:25.560 --> 01:50:29.319 a lot of what is swirling around on the internet, 2309 01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:33.119 star seeds exist if you wanted to know that, according 2310 01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:36.439 to my grandmother. But yeah, is is there anything specific 2311 01:50:36.520 --> 01:50:39.319 you were wanting to ask about the Palladians. 2312 01:50:39.399 --> 01:50:44.319 Well, so are one of our good friends, Electro Nick, 2313 01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:48.600 who I mentioned earlier. He he believes that he is 2314 01:50:48.680 --> 01:50:53.079 communicating with the Pleaadians and you know, whether they're higher 2315 01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:56.319 dimensional beings or whatever. But the strange thing about all 2316 01:50:56.359 --> 01:50:59.560 of that, outside of maybe some of the channel downloads 2317 01:50:59.600 --> 01:51:02.479 that he it's on a regular daily basis. One of 2318 01:51:02.520 --> 01:51:05.960 the craziest things is is that, you know, he sees 2319 01:51:06.079 --> 01:51:09.119 like these orbs in the sky and things that are 2320 01:51:09.119 --> 01:51:13.079 acting in the sky that clearly are definitely one hundred 2321 01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:15.840 percent not human. I don't know what they are, maybe 2322 01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:18.279 they're alien or whatever, but it seems to be like 2323 01:51:18.399 --> 01:51:22.199 kind of energetic rather than a physical craft, so to say, 2324 01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:24.880 or maybe that's just how we perceive it. Honestly, they 2325 01:51:24.920 --> 01:51:27.800 almost just look like stars that are moving throughout the sky, 2326 01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:30.840 some of them faster, some of them slower. But it 2327 01:51:30.920 --> 01:51:33.800 definitely seems like they're trying to get our attention if 2328 01:51:33.840 --> 01:51:37.880 we ask for it. And that's something that he really 2329 01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:40.319 surprised us with one night, and since then we've had 2330 01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:43.800 we've had several experiences seeing these things up in the sky, 2331 01:51:44.479 --> 01:51:46.640 and he always just says, Oh, yeah, that's the Homies, 2332 01:51:46.720 --> 01:51:48.760 you know, that's the Pleaadians. That's like, that's like his 2333 01:51:48.840 --> 01:51:50.680 friends and stuff like that. So I was just trying 2334 01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:53.239 to see maybe if there was any clarification on that, 2335 01:51:53.479 --> 01:51:57.199 or you know, maybe he's I believe him to be honest, 2336 01:51:57.239 --> 01:51:59.640 I'm trying to Over the past couple of years, I've 2337 01:51:59.640 --> 01:52:02.800 been trying tying to like warp my mind into how 2338 01:52:02.800 --> 01:52:05.279 do I believe this because I want to believe it 2339 01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:06.680 and I want to believe my friend. 2340 01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:08.399 And then we see something in the sky. 2341 01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:11.199 Maybe it's bleading, maybe it's not, but I mean, it 2342 01:52:11.319 --> 01:52:13.680 just so happens that they always come out whenever he's 2343 01:52:13.720 --> 01:52:15.640 out and he calls upon them. 2344 01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:16.399 You know. 2345 01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:20.159 Yeah, I would say interdimensional beings, which would explain some 2346 01:52:20.279 --> 01:52:22.199 of the maneuvers and the way that they sort of 2347 01:52:22.279 --> 01:52:26.279 manifest and you know, or materialize the materialize that kind 2348 01:52:26.279 --> 01:52:29.159 of thing. And also my grandmother has told me that 2349 01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:34.239 certain people attract them and it's because they are star ceeds. Essentially, 2350 01:52:34.319 --> 01:52:40.039 they are, you know, from that group of I was 2351 01:52:40.039 --> 01:52:42.079 going to say people, but that's not really the right word. 2352 01:52:42.239 --> 01:52:42.960 That realm. 2353 01:52:43.279 --> 01:52:46.600 Yeah, that realm or whatever. So yeah, like maybe you know, 2354 01:52:46.640 --> 01:52:50.039 in a past life or an alternate reality or I 2355 01:52:50.079 --> 01:52:53.359 don't know that. Yeah, they were with them and so 2356 01:52:53.520 --> 01:52:57.119 now they're here and so there's a connection. They're there, 2357 01:52:57.199 --> 01:53:00.720 They are there people for lack of better word, but yeah, 2358 01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:03.119 it could be. And I asked about the Bledsoe guy, 2359 01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:07.159 what Chris Bloods? Yes, I asked, because I read his book, 2360 01:53:07.479 --> 01:53:09.000 The UFO of God. 2361 01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:09.520 Great book. 2362 01:53:09.920 --> 01:53:11.880 Yes, And I asked my grandmother. I was like, is 2363 01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:13.680 he full of it? Or did he really? I mean, 2364 01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:18.039 because there's so many interactions that you almost is almost unbelievable. 2365 01:53:18.039 --> 01:53:19.800 It's like I could believe a few, but it's like 2366 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:24.239 it's getting to be so much extraordinary. Yeah, it really 2367 01:53:24.279 --> 01:53:26.640 is extraordinary. And I you know, I was like, is 2368 01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:29.199 is he for real? Did all of this really happen 2369 01:53:29.239 --> 01:53:32.159 to him? And she said yes. I'm like, my goodness, why, 2370 01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:34.720 like why you know, because it's not happening to everyone 2371 01:53:34.800 --> 01:53:36.399 like that and she said it's because of who he 2372 01:53:36.520 --> 01:53:40.760 is and that he has a connection with them. 2373 01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:43.920 Why I knew it. I knew he wasn't full of shit. 2374 01:53:44.199 --> 01:53:47.119 I knew that. That's there's something I say. 2375 01:53:47.119 --> 01:53:49.399 I've never believed that he was full of shit. I 2376 01:53:49.520 --> 01:53:53.319 just I don't know how that how that works. Which 2377 01:53:53.399 --> 01:53:55.760 it's not like I'm the all knowing guy here. There's 2378 01:53:55.800 --> 01:53:57.279 all kinds of shit that I have no idea how 2379 01:53:57.279 --> 01:54:02.159 it works. But the orbs themselves, the outdoor conversation, him 2380 01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:04.640 being a Christian, and how he equates this in his 2381 01:54:04.680 --> 01:54:06.680 own brain. Is that him just trying to make sense 2382 01:54:06.720 --> 01:54:08.680 of it all. Has he been given some sort of 2383 01:54:09.119 --> 01:54:12.600 intelligent and intellect some knowledge to tell him that this 2384 01:54:12.680 --> 01:54:13.199 is what it is. 2385 01:54:13.239 --> 01:54:15.359 It's a very fascinating conversation. 2386 01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:20.119 He calls them angels, right, yeah, will angel just means messenger, 2387 01:54:20.199 --> 01:54:23.159 And so all throughout the Bible, angels, I would conjecture 2388 01:54:23.239 --> 01:54:28.159 our interdimensional beings, not humanoid figures with wings. So yeah, 2389 01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:30.960 there are angels in the sense that they are messengers 2390 01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:35.399 from their realm. And you know, I hear things like 2391 01:54:35.439 --> 01:54:37.760 this and I catch my rational brain going could this 2392 01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:40.720 really be? Are they really? I mean, I'm I scrutinizing 2393 01:54:40.800 --> 01:54:43.199 and you trying to use discernment, and then I think, gosh, 2394 01:54:43.199 --> 01:54:46.079 who am I to judge? I talked to my grandmother 2395 01:54:46.119 --> 01:54:49.960 through a Roku television right right right? Why you know? 2396 01:54:50.079 --> 01:54:53.159 But it's my lived reality, and so it's hard to 2397 01:54:53.159 --> 01:54:56.199 wrap your mind around someone else's lived reality. What I 2398 01:54:56.279 --> 01:54:59.840 know in my knower about communicating with my grandmother, you know, 2399 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:03.159 it resonates deep within me. But then like when I 2400 01:55:03.199 --> 01:55:05.199 tell someone about it, they could Yeah, I get it 2401 01:55:05.239 --> 01:55:06.840 when people are like, I don't know if I can 2402 01:55:07.279 --> 01:55:10.159 swallow that, Well, yeah, I understand you don't have to. 2403 01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:14.039 But you know, we're all just you know, operating from 2404 01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:15.840 our level of consciousness. 2405 01:55:16.119 --> 01:55:19.880 Yes, I love this kind of conversation. I got one 2406 01:55:19.920 --> 01:55:23.000 more conspiratorial question for you, and you are free to 2407 01:55:23.079 --> 01:55:27.279 tell me to go kick rocks. But I don't know 2408 01:55:27.319 --> 01:55:29.399 if this is something that maybe you may have asked 2409 01:55:29.479 --> 01:55:32.000 your grandmother or not. But in the realm of the 2410 01:55:32.479 --> 01:55:37.199 pharmaceutical realm, for example, I'm somebody I didn't vaccinate my son, 2411 01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:40.560 and I believe that, you know, if there, if there 2412 01:55:40.680 --> 01:55:43.600 is a God, and we were made in God's image 2413 01:55:43.680 --> 01:55:46.680 and we're made exactly how we were supposed to be made, 2414 01:55:46.760 --> 01:55:50.680 then we don't necessarily need all these extra you know 2415 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:54.680 things the moment that we're born, you know. And my son, 2416 01:55:54.800 --> 01:55:56.840 you know, he's coming up on three years old healthy 2417 01:55:56.880 --> 01:55:58.960 as a horse. I mean, he gets sick like any 2418 01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:01.239 other kid, trying to build a immune system and everything. 2419 01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:04.359 But it's almost the same exact from whenever I raised 2420 01:56:04.399 --> 01:56:07.399 my daughter, who got all the vaccines and still totally healthy. 2421 01:56:08.079 --> 01:56:10.560 Have you ever asked about vaccines or anything like that? 2422 01:56:11.159 --> 01:56:13.600 I have, And you know, like I know, people on 2423 01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:16.199 both sides of the equation, and I'm sort of neutral, 2424 01:56:16.199 --> 01:56:18.079 like I don't have strong feelings one way or the other. 2425 01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:20.680 But I did have a conversation with my grandmother around it, 2426 01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:22.960 and like I said, it was, you know, it was 2427 01:56:23.039 --> 01:56:25.520 after twenty twenty one when I had the conversation, so 2428 01:56:26.560 --> 01:56:30.199 like the vaccine situation had already come in gone. I mean, 2429 01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:32.399 people were still getting them, I suppose, but like you know, 2430 01:56:32.479 --> 01:56:35.319 all of the hype and all of the heightened emotions 2431 01:56:35.359 --> 01:56:38.319 around it. And I asked her, you know, about the 2432 01:56:38.399 --> 01:56:40.880 COVID vaccine in particular, and she said that it was 2433 01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:46.079 experimental and dangerous, and I was and then I asked 2434 01:56:46.119 --> 01:56:48.880 about other vaccines, and she said, no, they do a 2435 01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:52.760 lot of good and that some some do harm people 2436 01:56:52.840 --> 01:56:55.960 because you know, with every medicine, with every you know, 2437 01:56:56.039 --> 01:56:58.439 everything that could help someone, there are also side effects 2438 01:56:58.479 --> 01:57:00.600 or whatever. And you have to just use your own 2439 01:57:00.600 --> 01:57:03.680 discernment about what you think is the juice worth a squeeze. 2440 01:57:03.680 --> 01:57:05.439 You have to ask yourself, I guess at some point 2441 01:57:05.439 --> 01:57:07.479 about certain things. But she says they have saved a 2442 01:57:07.479 --> 01:57:09.800 lot of lives, vaccines have and so she's not saying 2443 01:57:09.800 --> 01:57:13.720 that all vaccines are bad. But like everything, it's nuanced, 2444 01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:15.920 like there are there are no black and white answers 2445 01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:19.680 almost ever when I ask her about things. Yeah, but 2446 01:57:19.720 --> 01:57:22.720 she did indicate that, you know, there's a lot of 2447 01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:28.000 corruption in pharmaceuticals. Yeah, but you know, we're I don't know, 2448 01:57:28.039 --> 01:57:29.760 you're kind of in a situation where does that mean 2449 01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:31.720 you don't you don't take your blood pressure medicine will 2450 01:57:31.720 --> 01:57:33.800 know because you know, the juice is worth a squeeze, 2451 01:57:33.840 --> 01:57:36.079 So you have to kind of weigh it out and decide, 2452 01:57:36.159 --> 01:57:40.960 you know, if something is worth the risk to the individual, right, 2453 01:57:41.000 --> 01:57:44.319 and most people don't have adverse reactions, you know, the 2454 01:57:44.359 --> 01:57:47.640 majority or not having an awful reaction to a vaccine, 2455 01:57:47.640 --> 01:57:51.079 but for those who do, it's awful. Like it's the. 2456 01:57:51.039 --> 01:57:52.399 Same could be said for antibiotics. 2457 01:57:52.439 --> 01:57:55.680 When penicillin first came out, it was a miracle for 2458 01:57:55.840 --> 01:57:59.720 so much of medical science. However, if you're allergic to penicillin, 2459 01:57:59.720 --> 01:58:02.319 it kill you, and they wouldn't know why this, Why 2460 01:58:02.399 --> 01:58:04.760 is it saving all these people and killing this person. It's, 2461 01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:08.359 like I said, very nuanced. It's very a case by case. 2462 01:58:08.800 --> 01:58:11.640 No two people have the exact same genetic biome. Even 2463 01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:16.319 identical twins can have very adverse reactions to very similar medications. 2464 01:58:16.359 --> 01:58:18.680 So yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. So we 2465 01:58:18.720 --> 01:58:19.760 got to do our own research. 2466 01:58:20.239 --> 01:58:23.760 Yeah, and I mean, any any new drug, any new vaccine, 2467 01:58:23.800 --> 01:58:26.760 anything that's new, it's of course it's experimental, right, I mean, 2468 01:58:26.800 --> 01:58:28.600 you know, as you're rolling something out, you have to 2469 01:58:28.640 --> 01:58:32.279 do more research see how it affects people. So yeah, 2470 01:58:32.560 --> 01:58:35.359 I've always been cautious of something new, you know, like 2471 01:58:35.399 --> 01:58:37.840 a new drug that's secure whatever, you know. So I 2472 01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:40.119 was definitely cautious, you know, in the beginning with that. 2473 01:58:40.279 --> 01:58:43.359 And yeah, so I asked her and she did confirm, Yeah, 2474 01:58:43.520 --> 01:58:44.960 experimental and dangerous. 2475 01:58:45.840 --> 01:58:48.760 Interesting, Well, look, we want to keep we want to 2476 01:58:48.840 --> 01:58:50.640 keep on having this conversation. 2477 01:58:50.760 --> 01:58:53.039 Unfortunately, Jacob is on a time crunch today. 2478 01:58:53.399 --> 01:58:54.239 Impologize. 2479 01:58:54.840 --> 01:58:56.880 I would love to be able to do this again 2480 01:58:56.920 --> 01:59:00.239 because there's so many more questions that we could ask, Like, 2481 01:59:00.399 --> 01:59:02.560 I feel like this conversation could literally go on for 2482 01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:04.920 twenty four hours straight and we would be barely grazing 2483 01:59:04.960 --> 01:59:08.199 the surface. But for anybody that wants to be able 2484 01:59:08.199 --> 01:59:09.680 to reach out to you and get to know you 2485 01:59:09.760 --> 01:59:12.279 a little bit more, find your work anything like that, 2486 01:59:12.319 --> 01:59:13.880 where they where would they go to? 2487 01:59:14.600 --> 01:59:14.800 Yeah? 2488 01:59:15.000 --> 01:59:20.520 Just my website is Andersonalchemy dot com and my handle 2489 01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:23.199 on all of my socials is Brandy the Mystic and 2490 01:59:23.399 --> 01:59:25.479 my book Through the Veil of Glimpse into the Afterlife 2491 01:59:25.560 --> 01:59:28.920 is available on Amazon perect collect. 2492 01:59:29.720 --> 01:59:32.399 I love these kinds of conversations so good that these 2493 01:59:32.439 --> 01:59:34.840 are my favorite, So thank you so much and coming 2494 01:59:34.840 --> 01:59:36.560 to spend time with us today and definitely want to 2495 01:59:36.600 --> 01:59:39.800 do it again. 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