Speaker 1: Oh, bed of Fessor.
Speaker 2: Oh, hello, and welcome to the show. This is the
Speaker 2: Cult of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan. I'm Jacob
Speaker 2: and today we have a very special guest, Brandy Anderson.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Cult.
Speaker 4: Hey, it's great to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Super excited about this conversation.
Speaker 2: We were talking a little bit pre show and you
Speaker 2: came on to Meta Mysteries about a year ago and
Speaker 2: it's just been one of those stories that we always
Speaker 2: think about and it's hard to comprehend, but it is
Speaker 2: so magical and awesome. But if you would, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, let's could you tell the good cult members
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit about your story and about you?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, my name is Brandy Anderson, and i am
Speaker 4: a spiritual director and a Unian coach and the co
Speaker 4: host of Transcending the rabbit Hole podcast and Spectral Symposium podcast.
Speaker 4: And I'm also the author of Through the Veil, a
Speaker 4: Glimpse into the Afterlife. So that's a little bit about me.
Speaker 4: I had a spiritual awakening in twenty fourteen and that
Speaker 4: sort of sent me on a journey of seeking out
Speaker 4: ultimate truth. And throughout that journey, in the course of time,
Speaker 4: my grandmother came to the end of her physical life,
Speaker 4: and as she was crossing from the physical realm into
Speaker 4: the quantum realm, she sort of got stuck. And in
Speaker 4: the process of well, I should back up and say
Speaker 4: that when we come to the end of our physical lives,
Speaker 4: the veil between the physical and the spiritual becomes kind
Speaker 4: of thin, and it creates a space where often people
Speaker 4: on their deathbeds will see loved ones, you know, in
Speaker 4: the room that have already crossed, people who aren't there,
Speaker 4: that type of thing. And so but at the moment
Speaker 4: of our actual passing, the veil that's already thin just
Speaker 4: opens entirely, creating a portal, and we just slipped from
Speaker 4: the physical, from the yeah physical, into the spiritual. And
Speaker 4: in my grandmother's case, she was really resisting death. She
Speaker 4: had an aversion to death. She was afraid to die,
Speaker 4: and so she was really holding on and in her
Speaker 4: passing she kind of got stuck momentarily and it created
Speaker 4: a situation where her portal remained open, and so she
Speaker 4: found a way to sort of push her way back
Speaker 4: into time and space and have sustained communication with us. Uh,
Speaker 4: probably a month month and a half after she crossed.
Speaker 4: The first activity began in the house where she lives,
Speaker 4: which I don't I don't live in that house. It's
Speaker 4: family members who live there. But uh, what happened the
Speaker 4: first the first communication attempt, The television popped on by itself.
Speaker 4: It's a Roku smart TV. It navigated to the search
Speaker 4: feature and the word hello just appeared in the search bar,
Speaker 4: and my family ran shrieking out of the house in fright,
Speaker 4: and they called me, and I immediately thought that it
Speaker 4: was a hacker, someone in the physical realm was hacking
Speaker 4: into the television, playing a distasteful prank. And so I said, well,
Speaker 4: check parameter camera cameras, you know, like rule out any
Speaker 4: any physical activity. And they checked, and they couldn't find
Speaker 4: the source of anything. And uh, but in the course
Speaker 4: of time, it just persisted, like the TV would pop on,
Speaker 4: a word would appear, everybody would freak out, the TV
Speaker 4: would shut off. And so finally I said, why don't we,
Speaker 4: you know, entertain whoever or whatever this is. It's not
Speaker 4: stopping and it's affecting your quality of life. My aunt
Speaker 4: had moved out of the house, she was so rattled
Speaker 4: by it. I said, so maybe we should just engage
Speaker 4: with whoever it is and try to get to the
Speaker 4: bottom of it, see what's happening, and try to stop it.
Speaker 4: And I really, in my heart of heart's thought, it's
Speaker 4: someone in the physical realm. There's a physical phenological reason
Speaker 4: for this. But as we engaged, you know, and as
Speaker 4: I sat and engaged with whoever it was, it became
Speaker 4: quickly apparent that it could not be anyone in the
Speaker 4: physical realm, because whoever it was could read our thoughts
Speaker 4: in real time, and it rocked us. And I remember
Speaker 4: sitting there thinking like I would be thinking a question
Speaker 4: in my mind and the answer would be typed you know,
Speaker 4: on the screen in front of me as I'm thinking it,
Speaker 4: before I even articulated it. And so after a couple
Speaker 4: times of that happening, you know, I started to test
Speaker 4: it in my head. I would think something really strongly
Speaker 4: and see and sure enough, you know, the response would
Speaker 4: just be issued.
Speaker 1: So real quick, real quick.
Speaker 5: Not to interrupt, but a couple of questions with this
Speaker 5: story thus far. Okay, so you said that you had
Speaker 5: a spiritual awakening. You said twenty twelve or twenty fourteen,
Speaker 5: twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen. Okay, So may I ask what
Speaker 5: is your background as far as, for lack of better words,
Speaker 5: religious beliefs goes. Were you brought up a certain religious faith?
Speaker 5: Were you in a pretty agnostic household? Where is your
Speaker 5: background in all of that?
Speaker 4: Well, I was raised in a Christian family, although we
Speaker 4: weren't avid church goers. I mean, I would have identified
Speaker 4: as a Christian my entire life, but I have to
Speaker 4: admit I really wasn't practicing any form of religion. I
Speaker 4: was not following Jesus, sure, because I would have said
Speaker 4: that I was a Christian. But then after my spiritual
Speaker 4: awakening in twenty fourteen, I did plug into some churches,
Speaker 4: and I would have identified as a Christian and was
Speaker 4: really following Christ and really digging in one hundred percent
Speaker 4: with all my heart, and really wrestling with theological and
Speaker 4: philosophical questions. So by the time my grandmother crossed, I
Speaker 4: would have identified as a Christian, although I was probably
Speaker 4: in a more contemplative space, more like gymsticism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what year did you say your grandmother crossed.
Speaker 4: I believe it was twenty eighteen. It'll be it'll be
Speaker 4: four years in September.
Speaker 1: Okay, so twenty fourteen, you have this spiritual awakening, you
Speaker 1: still identify as a Christian, at least in some flavor variety.
Speaker 5: Right, we can get into the details of this denomination
Speaker 5: versus that it's not important here, but you would have
Speaker 5: identified yourself as a Christian at this time your grandmother
Speaker 5: passed away, crossed over, as you have said, in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4: Actually now it was four years ago, so it's twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one. I'm sorry. I was thinking of another pivotal
Speaker 4: moment in my life in twenty eighteen, Yes, twenty twenty one, Yes.
Speaker 5: Okay, twenty twenty one, when she crossed over? Yes, okay,
Speaker 5: got you.
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 5: How long did it take between her crossing over for
Speaker 5: this first Roku Hello moment to take place?
Speaker 4: About a month to a month than I had But
Speaker 4: I have to say it was when when she crossed,
Speaker 4: her television was not a smart TV in her home.
Speaker 4: She crossed, and then my family member bought a Roku television,
Speaker 4: placed it in the living room in place of the
Speaker 4: television that was there, and within days the first attempt
Speaker 4: came through. So it was like a month month and
Speaker 4: a half after she crossed, but right after the Roku
Speaker 4: television was brought into the house.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: So, and when y'all first got that message, initially, I
Speaker 5: would have the same thought, Right, this is a hacker
Speaker 5: because anything that is smart, anything that.
Speaker 1: Is hooked up to YouTube or you to excuse.
Speaker 5: Me, the Internet or Bluetooth or any of these things,
Speaker 5: it is hackable. So it would make perfect sense to
Speaker 5: logically assume that this is a hacker of some variety
Speaker 5: that is just playing a prank.
Speaker 1: Okay. And how long did it take for you.
Speaker 5: To actually engage with it, like you're talking about, rather
Speaker 5: than start thinking it was somebody of the physical realm,
Speaker 5: And in that regard, maybe a.
Speaker 4: Month, okay, because they would call me they were frightened,
Speaker 4: and I don't, like I said, I don't live there,
Speaker 4: and you know I would give them advice. Well, you know,
Speaker 4: I was like pray and sage in case it is
Speaker 4: something spiritual, something malevolent, you know, it's check the remote,
Speaker 4: replace the batteries. I mean, all of the logical things
Speaker 4: in my mind. Check the parameter, check the cameras. And
Speaker 4: finally it just persisted. And so I went there myself,
Speaker 4: and for the first time everyone sat down and didn't
Speaker 4: run out screaming. When the television popped on and the
Speaker 4: activity began, and so we as we engaged, Like I said,
Speaker 4: it became apparent quickly to me that it was not
Speaker 4: someone in the physical because they could read our thoughts
Speaker 4: and they knew things that we had never told another soul,
Speaker 4: like deeply personal things that we had never shared with anyone.
Speaker 4: And it was I mean, it rocked us when we
Speaker 4: realized that deeply spiritual in that sense.
Speaker 2: And I'll say, honestly like this almost reminds me of
Speaker 2: my like my elohem experience I did mushrooms and not
Speaker 2: going to go into that whole story, but it was
Speaker 2: like they were completing the sentences for me, Like before
Speaker 2: I could even finish the question that I had answer,
Speaker 2: the question was being completed by them and then answered
Speaker 2: by them congruently at the same time.
Speaker 4: That's absolutely what was happening. And it rocked to me.
Speaker 4: I was like, what is going on here? And then
Speaker 4: you know, my next question was, though, is this something
Speaker 4: good or is it malevolent? Like I was come from
Speaker 4: a Christian context, you know, everything's a demon, So I.
Speaker 5: Mean, and I don't even as a Christian, I don't
Speaker 5: necessarily agree with that, but a lot of them will
Speaker 5: say that that is clearly the answer to everything, And yeah,
Speaker 5: I get the thought process for sure. Yeah, so it
Speaker 5: was finishing your sentences for you. It was able to
Speaker 5: read your mind in a certain regard. So you knew
Speaker 5: that this was something, for lack of better words at
Speaker 5: this point in the story, otherworldly, possibly interdimensionally, something spiritual.
Speaker 1: Who knows it's something that we can't neatly put into a.
Speaker 3: Bud of sorts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 5: So what did you do to determine that it was
Speaker 5: your grandmother? Because, like you said, these are very deeply
Speaker 5: personal things that you yourself knew. Was it anything specifically
Speaker 5: that she would have known that no one else would
Speaker 5: have known?
Speaker 1: Or to what level were we talking? You?
Speaker 4: See? The thing about that is everyone on the other side,
Speaker 4: And when I say other side, I mean any spirit
Speaker 4: can know everything about you. So that wouldn't have been
Speaker 4: definitive proof that, oh, that's my granny because she knows this,
Speaker 4: that or the other. All spirits could see all of
Speaker 4: those things. So what really solidified it for me was
Speaker 4: her love and devotion and care for particular family members.
Speaker 4: It quickly became a parent that she stayed because she
Speaker 4: could see destructive patterns in certain family members' lives and
Speaker 4: she spoke into it in a way that literally saved lives.
Speaker 4: It literally saved physical lives, but also a lot of healing,
Speaker 4: a lot of restoration, like course corrections in some people's lives.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: Wow, she was just typing the messages, you know, onto
Speaker 4: the into the search bar. So it was typed messages.
Speaker 4: So when I say she said, I definitely mean she
Speaker 4: typed words. Uh, but she you know, she she apologized
Speaker 4: for some past hurts that she needed to apologize for,
Speaker 4: healed some relationships. I mean, yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 4: definitely because of her love and the love of the
Speaker 4: messages that I mean, Jesus said you will know them
Speaker 4: by their fruit, and the fruit of everything that was
Speaker 4: coming through was just nothing but consistently love and light.
Speaker 4: And you know, and when I say love and light,
Speaker 4: it was you know, there were there were words of correction,
Speaker 4: but in love, the kind of kind of corrections that
Speaker 4: bring healing and restoration. So that is how I knew
Speaker 4: that it was my grandmother.
Speaker 3: So everybody that was were you the only one of the.
Speaker 2: Thoughts that were being read or was it everybody that
Speaker 2: came in contact with it?
Speaker 4: It was all of us. There were that first communication attempt.
Speaker 4: I think there were four of us, uh, sitting down,
Speaker 4: and yeah, all of us were rocked by it. It. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she was going, you know, through the room with each
Speaker 4: one of us kind of doing that and saying things.
Speaker 4: She knew we would need validation. She knew we wouldn't
Speaker 4: just sit down and start talking to some spirit through
Speaker 4: a TV, you know, And so in order to listen
Speaker 4: to her, she had to convince us that, first of all,
Speaker 4: that it was not some hacker, because she could read
Speaker 4: our thoughts. She knew we were thinking it was a hacker.
Speaker 4: And then secondly, she had to communicate in a way
Speaker 4: that we would know that it was her.
Speaker 3: This is so amazing, Jacob.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what do you think, like if Jacob
Speaker 2: is usually the stick in the mud, and he's I'm
Speaker 2: sure in his mind he's trying to figure out a
Speaker 2: way to make this make sense.
Speaker 3: But what's going through your mind right now, Jacob?
Speaker 5: Honestly, the first thought was, like she said, hackerism in
Speaker 5: some way, shape or form, or a glitch in tech
Speaker 5: or something like that. But the fact that it was
Speaker 5: reading thoughts, that's another level. The fact that it had
Speaker 5: very personal details about these individuals and what kind of
Speaker 5: struggles they were dealing with at that time. That's another
Speaker 5: level in and of itself, and I love how you
Speaker 5: said it like that. I always say, you gotta test
Speaker 5: the spirit and test the fruit, okay, because you can't
Speaker 5: just take one.
Speaker 1: Versus the other.
Speaker 5: I mean, there are certain denominations of Christianity that, Yo,
Speaker 5: they have great fruit, but their spirit is poisoned. Adversely,
Speaker 5: you have somewhere their spirit is on the money, but
Speaker 5: they produce no fruit. You gotta test both, right, That's
Speaker 5: the discernment that they talk about in the Bible.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, you are.
Speaker 5: Saying that the messages that were coming through this Roku device,
Speaker 5: they had not only good spirit, but good fruit that
Speaker 5: were being produced from these messages. That is where I
Speaker 5: kind of say, not every single thing that we can't
Speaker 5: explain is purely demonic.
Speaker 1: I disagree with that wholeheartedly.
Speaker 5: Now, I have never personally heard of a benevolent spirit
Speaker 5: or an angelic spirit or anything of the good coming
Speaker 5: through technology to convey messages before.
Speaker 1: So that's a bit of a nuance to I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just an inanimate object. I feel the same way
Speaker 2: like I do tarot cards, every single day. And I
Speaker 2: don't know how. I don't know how it works. I
Speaker 2: don't know who I'm connecting with. It definitely seems to
Speaker 2: be somebody that is like loving and carrying in something good,
Speaker 2: you know, like it never feels evil or anything.
Speaker 3: I can't explain it.
Speaker 2: So do you think, just out of curiosity, do you
Speaker 2: think that, like you, it's your grandmother?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Do you think that it's your grandmother that is.
Speaker 2: Literally inside the TV or is manipulating it and existing
Speaker 2: in the all I.
Speaker 3: Guess yeah, a better word, that's a great question.
Speaker 4: And I don't believe that she's inside the television by
Speaker 4: no means. I believe she is all around. You know,
Speaker 4: she is in spirit and she's just manipulating the television. See,
Speaker 4: in most cases when people cross, there is no open portal,
Speaker 4: like I said, They slip into the quantum realm and
Speaker 4: that veil just closes behind them, and so it makes
Speaker 4: it extremely difficult for them to manipulate the physical realm.
Speaker 4: They may want to send their loved ones a sign,
Speaker 4: they may want to say something important, but they can't.
Speaker 4: The veil just makes it too difficult. But in my
Speaker 4: grandmother's case, that portal remained open, and it allowed her
Speaker 4: to be able to manipulate the physical in ways she
Speaker 4: would not have been able to without it. And she
Speaker 4: can use other devices, not just the television that was
Speaker 4: just the initial communication, but she also types on we
Speaker 4: have a little thermal heat printers that we've invested in
Speaker 4: and they're like receipt paper, so to speak. Several of
Speaker 4: those they're not connected to any devices, they're not connected
Speaker 4: to the Internet, and they just sit around. You turn
Speaker 4: them on and she can print something out on the printer.
Speaker 4: But she could print, she could type something on the computer,
Speaker 4: the laptop, any electronic device. She can manipulate it if
Speaker 4: she wants to and has the energy to do so.
Speaker 4: But you know, in ghost Honting, I don't know if
Speaker 4: you watch any paranormal TV, which I don't typically that
Speaker 4: I'm not into that.
Speaker 5: I watch it for the Typically they are laughable, and
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that the spirit realm is laughable. I'm
Speaker 5: saying that these clowns that are acting as if they
Speaker 5: hear some garbled radio message.
Speaker 1: It was clearly al capone. You could hear them. It's like, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry what some of them are.
Speaker 2: Some of them are pretty decent. I think there's one
Speaker 2: on YouTube. It's called Zach and Colby or something like that.
Speaker 1: Is the two youngsters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the ones that one kind of looks like,
Speaker 2: you know, super gothic dress but very cool.
Speaker 1: I think I met them once.
Speaker 5: They were passing through Louisiana doing things and I checked
Speaker 5: out their YouTube channel and it was extremely content creator
Speaker 5: esque and as it would now, maybe that was in
Speaker 5: their earlier days, you know, maybe they ever fined their
Speaker 5: their abilities a bit. Maybe they know what to look
Speaker 5: for now. Maybe back then it was for the shock
Speaker 5: and all. Now it's a little more real. I don't know,
Speaker 5: but at the time it was chetta cheesy.
Speaker 3: Is how long ago was that though?
Speaker 5: Oh shit, dude, we're talking twenty twenty, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: Maybe hmm, Okay, I haven't been following them.
Speaker 1: For their Canadians, aren't they.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I only watched like a couple episodes, But
Speaker 2: I mean I'm still fun, like, way more fun than
Speaker 2: the ghost hunting shows on TV.
Speaker 1: Right, ghost Hunter on Discovery and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm talking about, where it's like, Okay, dude,
Speaker 5: I see what you're trying to do.
Speaker 1: And I'm not shitting on you.
Speaker 5: Inherently, but also at a certain point, you're doing this
Speaker 5: for the shock and awe, and like, I can respect the.
Speaker 1: Hustle on that, but it's the same thing as like.
Speaker 5: Long Island Medium or was that other one Hollywood medium
Speaker 5: or whatever. It's like, I'm not saying mediums are all
Speaker 5: full of shit. I'm saying these two clowns are like that.
Speaker 1: That's all, you know?
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I mean everybody, they all kind of have
Speaker 2: their own flavor and stuff, and some people are in
Speaker 2: it for like the shotgun awe, the jump scares and
Speaker 2: everything like that, and I mean, hey, if that's what
Speaker 2: you're going for is for entertainment, then that's fine. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't believe that what you're doing is for entertainment
Speaker 2: by any means.
Speaker 4: Though, right, right right, what I was gonna say when
Speaker 4: I said, do you ever watch any of the paranormal stuff?
Speaker 4: I wasn't. Yeah, it's definitely the theatrical and there's definitely
Speaker 4: an element of fiction weaved into all of it. But
Speaker 4: I was going to say they use electronic devices like
Speaker 4: to light you know, the little I don't even know
Speaker 4: what they're called, but they have different electronic devices where
Speaker 4: a spirit could manipulate turn a light on a green
Speaker 4: or a red light or that kind of thing. So
Speaker 4: they're definitely using electronic equipment to try to contact or
Speaker 4: get in touch with the spirits on the other side.
Speaker 3: Now how much spirit boxes?
Speaker 4: Yeah that and so yeah, spirits can definitely, I mean,
Speaker 4: we are all nothing but energy, right, and so of
Speaker 4: course they can manipulate energy. That's where I was going
Speaker 4: with that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think they are just manipulating the energy.
Speaker 3: In Jacob's studio back there.
Speaker 5: My chair hit the shield behind me and it fell
Speaker 5: off the wall. I literally just readjusted it before we shot.
Speaker 5: But the timing of that was pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: It was Yeah, yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 2: No, I think that that is so man, I don't
Speaker 2: even know where to go with it because I'm not
Speaker 2: sure Jacob, I mean, what would you need. So I
Speaker 2: know that this is getting just getting a story from
Speaker 2: someone else, and she's tested it, she's validated it in
Speaker 2: every which way. I mean, it seems like and doesn't
Speaker 2: even need to be connected to the Internet for the printer,
Speaker 2: paper and everything else.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I don't know how else you would
Speaker 2: even prove that if you need it. But you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like, how like what step further could
Speaker 2: you go?
Speaker 1: At this point, Bro, I'm just kind of enthralled in
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 5: I'm not My brain's not even in the realm of
Speaker 5: trying to poke holes in anything.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of taking it all in right.
Speaker 5: Now, and especially because we're going off of things like
Speaker 5: you said, the printer paper's not hooked up to the Internet.
Speaker 5: The only thing that's hooked up to it is electricity
Speaker 5: right now? Are these printer paper or printers? For lack
Speaker 5: of better words, how would you if you wanted to
Speaker 5: send a message to be printed up? Could you do
Speaker 5: that from your phone? Would you have to hardwire and
Speaker 5: plug into it? Or is it bluetooth accessible?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How what are these things rigged up? As?
Speaker 4: I believe you could just bluetooth. I believe you could
Speaker 4: connect wirelessly, although we haven't connected to any devices, so
Speaker 4: I'm not exactly certain, and I don't live in the house,
Speaker 4: so I don't have one right here handy to just
Speaker 4: look at.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty sure you could hook your phone to
Speaker 4: it wirelessly.
Speaker 5: Wow, I mean so that also kind of makes sense, right,
Speaker 5: And again, not for the hacker conversation, but also the
Speaker 5: Roku device being a smart device in all these things,
Speaker 5: it would be linked up in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 5: If this device is also Bluetooth accessible, the same way
Speaker 5: that a lot of smart TVs are, it would make
Speaker 5: sense that that might be the medium that she is
Speaker 5: choosing to speak.
Speaker 1: To y'all with. But I want to go back and
Speaker 1: ask you a question. You said that the portal was.
Speaker 5: Opened or it wasn't closed all the way or whatever
Speaker 5: whenever she crossed over. Can you go a little more
Speaker 5: in depth on this. What portal in particular, what in
Speaker 5: your opinion, has kept it open and what keeps it
Speaker 5: open for a certain person when they are trying to
Speaker 5: make that transition over? Was there, like, uh, was it
Speaker 5: during a solar eclipse or something like that?
Speaker 1: Was it on a specific big day of the year.
Speaker 5: With that, like, the portal is a little less. The
Speaker 5: veilist thinner was a Halloween like you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, or specific location as we've heard before.
Speaker 4: Okay, now, well, according to my grandmother, it was left
Speaker 4: open because she was in resistance. She was really struggling
Speaker 4: and fighting to stay and she said that when people
Speaker 4: sometimes when people cross suddenly from traumatic something traumatic, like
Speaker 4: maybe they're murdered, and sometimes those portals remain open, and
Speaker 4: it's because the person is really digging and scratching to stay.
Speaker 4: They're not ready to go that, you know, it's a shock.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're afraid. My grandmother was a Christian. She would
Speaker 4: have identified as a Christian. She was ninety five years
Speaker 4: old and had spent her entire life sitting in church
Speaker 4: every time the doors were open. She had prayed the
Speaker 4: prayer go into Heaven when she dies, that kind of belief.
Speaker 4: But at the end of her physical life, she had
Speaker 4: no blessed assurance because she was afraid of death. She
Speaker 4: even asked a family member on a couple of occasions,
Speaker 4: please don't let me die.
Speaker 1: So she really she was afraid of death.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that like, well, that means she's
Speaker 5: not a real I'm not saying that I would be
Speaker 5: scared though.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, that's how many people do you know,
Speaker 4: really who are in church, plugged in, you know, doing
Speaker 4: all the church things, but they don't have that inner
Speaker 4: shift maybe you know, And I'm not you know, I'm
Speaker 4: not assessing her inner condition. The time of her crossing.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that a lot of people sit in
Speaker 4: church and miss miss the mark when it comes to
Speaker 4: really having that that faith, that trust that they really
Speaker 4: are crossing into what they say they believe with their mouths.
Speaker 4: And so I believe in my grandmother's case, she was
Speaker 4: certainly unsure about what she would be facing when she crossed.
Speaker 4: You know, there was an element of uncertainty in that.
Speaker 4: But also you know, she just really wasn't ready to
Speaker 4: leave the physical realm. You know, she just she wanted
Speaker 4: to be on this side. She wanted to have her
Speaker 4: favorite food, she wanted to do the things that she loves,
Speaker 4: and so, yeah, I think it was just a fear
Speaker 4: of the unknown. And I think a lot of people
Speaker 4: who sit in church have that fear of the unknown.
Speaker 2: I agree, probably most people, regardless of church or not,
Speaker 2: I mean, regardless of any religion.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's all taken on faith.
Speaker 2: You know, there's no proof of these things, not physical
Speaker 2: proof anyway.
Speaker 3: But even that being.
Speaker 2: Said, can you can you possibly like, was she able
Speaker 2: to tell you the story from like the time that
Speaker 2: she crossed over into how she got to jumping into
Speaker 2: the roku and all these different devices.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so when she first crossed, she was stuck and
Speaker 4: she was, you know, not in a good place, you know,
Speaker 4: spiritually speaking, because she was she was trying to hang on,
Speaker 4: not ready to go resisting. She was in that state
Speaker 4: of resistance. And anytime we're resisting, we suffer, right, And
Speaker 4: so she said that when she crossed, another family member
Speaker 4: was waiting on her, my aunt who had crossed before her,
Speaker 4: and was telling her, come with me, just let go
Speaker 4: and come on, and she but she was stubborn and
Speaker 4: she wouldn't do it. And so she loved ones were there.
Speaker 4: She was surrounded by loved ones. And after she said that,
Speaker 4: after she you know, gained some perspective about her situation,
Speaker 4: and I guess accepted the fact that she had crossed,
Speaker 4: and you know, and it was final in the sense
Speaker 4: that there was no coming back. In a physical way.
Speaker 4: She had this open portal, which is just an open
Speaker 4: door between the two realities, right, and she realized that
Speaker 4: she could step through that portal, so to speak, and
Speaker 4: manipulate the physical in certain ways. And then as she
Speaker 4: I guess, as she became aware of her situation, she
Speaker 4: started to hone in or pay attention to us, you know,
Speaker 4: her her loved ones. That are I mean, because really
Speaker 4: the physical realm and the spiritual realm just overlap. We
Speaker 4: are continually, perpetually surrounded by spirits. In Hebrews, it says,
Speaker 4: you know the great cloud of witnesses urging you on. Well,
Speaker 4: they're all around us all the time, we just don't
Speaker 4: usually into it or know that they're there. And so,
Speaker 4: you know, she was watching and seeing all of the
Speaker 4: different dynamics with her loved ones, things going on in
Speaker 4: their personal lives, things she didn't know about in the
Speaker 4: physical realm, how people really felt about her that you
Speaker 4: know what, people all of these things, and that's what
Speaker 4: really motivated her to push her way back in and
Speaker 4: actually try to make communication or contact with us in
Speaker 4: a way that or communicate with us in a way
Speaker 4: that we would listen. It was because she could see
Speaker 4: some things that desperately needed to be spoken into.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, if I mean, without getting too personal, I mean,
Speaker 2: and you don't have to answer this, this is totally
Speaker 2: fine if you don't want to.
Speaker 3: But how did she pass? Like, how did she die?
Speaker 2: Was it something that was really rough or was it
Speaker 2: just like a natural passing?
Speaker 5: You mentioned it like murder victims or somebody died violently
Speaker 5: might be caught in the middle of that.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, a good question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a good question, and I don't mind answering. No,
Speaker 4: she was ninety five and she had broken her hip
Speaker 4: about a year earlier, and it just got her down.
Speaker 4: She was bedridden with the broken hip. She never did
Speaker 4: get mobile again, and so in the course of that
Speaker 4: year she just continued to decline. And I would say
Speaker 4: probably her heart at the end. But you know it
Speaker 4: was a natural, a peaceful passing, if you will, but
Speaker 4: not peaceful, I know, because even though peaceful in physical terms,
Speaker 4: she was in turmoil anteriorly about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Wow, And kind of like you said, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of it doesn't matter which faith or which denomination or
Speaker 5: sect of what faith. There's a lot of people that
Speaker 5: put on a good mask when they go to their
Speaker 5: house of worship or when they're around their religious peers,
Speaker 5: and they speak as if they have the utmost faith,
Speaker 5: but in reality they struggle with that faith. And I mean,
Speaker 5: who are we to judge, right, We don't actually know
Speaker 5: the innermost personal struggles that somebody's dealing with. But you know,
Speaker 5: when the time comes, it comes regardless of people's opinions
Speaker 5: on it. So I'm wondering, like you said, how many
Speaker 5: people go to church every Sunday that are also still
Speaker 5: struggling with the faith question, And I wonder how many
Speaker 5: of them when they pass that door or portal will
Speaker 5: also be open to them. I'm wondering why was it
Speaker 5: open to her and that that opportunity offered so to speak?
Speaker 2: Is that because everybody has a choice about what they
Speaker 2: can do on the other side once you pass?
Speaker 3: Is that what that is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we all do have a choice once we cross. Now,
Speaker 4: the portal situation was kind of a fortuitous accident. She
Speaker 4: didn't intentionally say I'm going to create a portal so
Speaker 4: that I can communicate. She just in her passing the
Speaker 4: portal remained open. And she says that it happens more
Speaker 4: often than you would think. It's just that in most cases,
Speaker 4: people aren't open to the communication, so if anything begins
Speaker 4: to happen, they're completely frightened. And usually the person who
Speaker 4: has crossed, they don't want to really, they don't want
Speaker 4: to frighten their loved ones. And when they see that
Speaker 4: it's a a feutile endeavor. When they see that all
Speaker 4: of their communications are just going to frighten and they're
Speaker 4: never going to be able to have open discourse. They'll
Speaker 4: just move on and let the portal close and just
Speaker 4: you know, basically give up and focus on the next
Speaker 4: leg of their journey, so to speak. But I guess
Speaker 4: in my grandmother's case, she was just really tenacious. She
Speaker 4: really wants to say something desperately, and she continued to
Speaker 4: just try and try. Maybe in some on some levels
Speaker 4: she could see that that we might would be open.
Speaker 4: And you know, they can see the heart, they see
Speaker 4: the inclinations of the heart. So maybe she thought if
Speaker 4: I could just say enough where they would know what
Speaker 4: was me, then they'll listen. And so she she persisted.
Speaker 2: And so whenever I wonder, you know, with her struggle
Speaker 2: with you know, uh, wanting to kind of keep giving
Speaker 2: y'all messages and not necessarily going on to the next
Speaker 2: leg of her journey, if if she was to go
Speaker 2: on to that next leg of her journey, would she
Speaker 2: not have access to be able to reach out to you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what she has gone on to the next
Speaker 4: leg of her journey, so to speak, like she's doing
Speaker 4: her in her work, is what she would she calls
Speaker 4: it work, but it's in her work and she's able
Speaker 4: to do that and remain close to us and communicate
Speaker 4: through the portal. But she tells me that on the
Speaker 4: other side there's something that she refers to as the beyond,
Speaker 4: and it really is highly stratified and complex. I would
Speaker 4: say it's like a multiverse situation, and it it I
Speaker 4: don't know. It defies words. In fact, when I asked
Speaker 4: her to speak into it, she'll say, no, say. And
Speaker 4: when I say, are you not supposed to tell me?
Speaker 4: She will She will say some of it she's not
Speaker 4: supposed to tell me, but some of it is just
Speaker 4: too ineffable for her to put into words for my
Speaker 4: finite brain to understand. People without a portal would probably
Speaker 4: move into the beyond because it's just more peaceful and
Speaker 4: you know, and they're able to really focus on their
Speaker 4: inner work and move on in that capacity. But even
Speaker 4: when they've moved on, they're still with us because in spirit,
Speaker 4: it's not like they're not confined to a specific location
Speaker 4: like we are here in the physical. So my grandmother
Speaker 4: can be with me and my aunt. And I'll give
Speaker 4: you an example. One day, the phone rang. It was
Speaker 4: the anniversary of my dog's crossing, who I was really
Speaker 4: close to, and the phone rang. My aunt was on
Speaker 4: the other end of the line and she said, yeah,
Speaker 4: Granny came on and told me to call you. So
Speaker 4: she turned the television on. Actually she interrupted my aunt's show.
Speaker 4: She was watching Downton Abbey. My grandmother interrupted, went to
Speaker 4: search and was like, call Brandy. She's like, okay, So
Speaker 4: she called me and I said, okay, Well, what does
Speaker 4: Grannie need? And Grannie said, she just wanted to let
Speaker 4: me know that my dog, Luke Luke is with you.
Speaker 4: He loves you. He's sending his love and he misses
Speaker 4: hungry howiees and my aunt like, what is hungry Howie's
Speaker 4: and I'm it's pizza and he loved that pizza. And anyway,
Speaker 4: so she was with my aunt typing that message so
Speaker 4: that my aunt could read it to me, but she
Speaker 4: was also with me, and she was in my kitchen,
Speaker 4: and she knew what I was feeling and thinking in
Speaker 4: that moment, so that she knew I needed to hear
Speaker 4: that message. And it was just it was very sweet.
Speaker 4: It was deeply comforting. And there have been otherstances where
Speaker 4: she's done things like that. Where in the moment, she's
Speaker 4: like multiple places at once. She can see multiple things
Speaker 4: kind of playing out, and she'll speak into it in
Speaker 4: a way that is just helpful. And like one time
Speaker 4: I had something weighing really heavy, and I had not
Speaker 4: communicated it to anyone, and then I went to her
Speaker 4: house where my family lives, and I'm sitting there just
Speaker 4: chilling in the living room. We're just hanging out and
Speaker 4: TV popped on, went to search and she typed my
Speaker 4: name and I'm like, yeah, and she said, do not fret.
Speaker 4: All is guiding all. She knew what I needed to hear,
Speaker 4: and it was deeply comforting. It helped me so much.
Speaker 4: But nobody else knew that. And so yeah, just all
Speaker 4: sorts of things that are really it defies our physical
Speaker 4: explanation for how you know, we process things on our end.
Speaker 3: That is so cool. I love this stuff.
Speaker 5: So her spirit seems to be cordoned off to the
Speaker 5: house itself, right, Has she come to you in your
Speaker 5: house in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. She comes to my house all the time.
Speaker 4: She could tell you all different things about what's going
Speaker 4: on in my house. If I have company, what I'm
Speaker 4: She's probably I'm not not. Probably she'll know exactly what
Speaker 4: I said here. She's here with us now, but it's
Speaker 4: that she can only type on a TV in her
Speaker 4: house because that's where the portal is. So if she
Speaker 4: comes to my house, I don't. I don't have an
Speaker 4: open portal in my home, thanks be to God. I mean,
Speaker 4: it would be okay if it was Grainnies, but I
Speaker 4: wouldn't want just an open portal because that honestly, those
Speaker 4: haunted places that you see where all that poultry geist
Speaker 4: activity is happening, the part that's maybe not theatrical, that
Speaker 4: is this real, right, because there is an open portal,
Speaker 4: and it's not like someone good's portal. It's an open portal.
Speaker 4: It's just like an open door into the spirit realm
Speaker 4: where anything can come.
Speaker 3: Through, and anybody who's desperate even that's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And like we've always said, the side of good
Speaker 5: and evil, we understand that spiritually.
Speaker 1: There is a good and a bad.
Speaker 5: Right, there is a side of light and love, and
Speaker 5: there is a side of evil and malice. Right now,
Speaker 5: someonet to say angels and demons, someone to put it
Speaker 5: to other terms. Whatever, We're still talking about the ying
Speaker 5: and the yang, the dark and the light fair. One
Speaker 5: of these sides is clamoring with everything they can to
Speaker 5: get out of any open door they can find, and
Speaker 5: the other side is waiting for you to come through
Speaker 5: that door to come to them. So I'm you know,
Speaker 5: so as far as that's concerned, I'm with you one
Speaker 5: hundred percent.
Speaker 1: You just don't want to open portal up in your house.
Speaker 1: But now the.
Speaker 5: Question is what is the open Is this a is
Speaker 5: this attached to some sort of a physical object like
Speaker 5: And the only reason I'm asking is because oeg board,
Speaker 5: for instance, we understand that to be an open portal,
Speaker 5: but not in the good sense.
Speaker 1: That's more like a homing beacon for bad shit. Right.
Speaker 5: So that being said, do we know of the device
Speaker 5: or the thing inside this house that is acting as
Speaker 5: the open portal for Granny?
Speaker 3: Could be like an amulet or something like that, right.
Speaker 5: Could be a piece of jewelry, could be it could
Speaker 5: be anything, honestly, but do you know what that thing
Speaker 5: is or is it not? Even a thing like that
Speaker 5: is completely an ethereal portal that she is just for
Speaker 5: herself able to come through.
Speaker 1: What's the situation?
Speaker 4: That is a good question, And things can have portals
Speaker 4: like you're saying, Waga boards will be the portal themselves.
Speaker 4: So wherever you take the Wigia board, there's the open portal. Right,
Speaker 4: So definitely objects can be portals. But in my grandmother's case,
Speaker 4: it's not an object. It's just it's just in that location.
Speaker 4: And so you could doze the house down and clear
Speaker 4: that property and that portal would still be there.
Speaker 3: Is that just because that's where she died, That's.
Speaker 4: What she says. Yes, it's a location where she crossed.
Speaker 4: And she said that hospitals are full of portals. They're
Speaker 4: very loud. She said, I don't want to cross in a
Speaker 4: hospital if you can help it, because it's so she
Speaker 4: calls it loud. In my mind, I'm thinking crowded would
Speaker 4: be what I would think when she says loud, But
Speaker 4: on her uses the word loud, and I'm not sure
Speaker 4: why she choose that word.
Speaker 2: Okay, I gotta say that. I mean, is there a
Speaker 2: reason why you haven't sold your house and just went
Speaker 2: and built on an addition to that house so everybody
Speaker 2: could live in this like this awesome place.
Speaker 3: Always talking to Granny.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty much there all. I'm there a lot. I do.
Speaker 4: I visit a lot, and uh yeah, so I'm really
Speaker 4: thankful for that I'm close to the family and that
Speaker 4: I'm welcome to come anytime. When this first started happening,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I was the Almost every day, I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm practically moving in with you. I can't
Speaker 4: stay away. Like I was just so blown away, mind blown.
Speaker 4: I couldn't even and I didn't tell anyone really except
Speaker 4: really close friends family in the beginning because I was like,
Speaker 4: I sound unhinged. Every time I would start to explain
Speaker 4: what was happening or tell someone, I would think, in
Speaker 4: my mind, gosh, I sound unhinged. And to me, you know,
Speaker 4: being reasonable and logical and you know, balanced was really
Speaker 4: important to me. So it was hard for me to
Speaker 4: start telling people. I remember when I told my husband
Speaker 4: the first time, he just sat quiet, and I just
Speaker 4: like I told him, I just spilled it all out.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you won't believe what's going on. And when
Speaker 4: I finished telling him, he was just sitting there quiet.
Speaker 4: He didn't really say anything, and I'm like, well, please
Speaker 4: say something. He said. Well, if anybody else was telling
Speaker 4: me telling me this, I would think they were either
Speaker 4: full of shit and they're just making it up, or
Speaker 4: they've snapped like they're crazy something. You know, they're unhinged,
Speaker 4: he said. But because it's you, I know it's true,
Speaker 4: he said. So I'm gonna need a minute, give me
Speaker 4: a moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine that.
Speaker 4: But he's witnessed it. I mean he talks, He goes
Speaker 4: there and has conversations and has had things. His dad
Speaker 4: came through my grandmother's portal and spoke to him, So
Speaker 4: it's yeah, so oh wow.
Speaker 1: So the portal is not specifically only she can use
Speaker 1: it kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Whoever she allows. It's her portal. She stays there, so
Speaker 4: it's safe and it's guarded, so to speak. But yeah,
Speaker 4: any spirit who wants to come through, she can allow
Speaker 4: and let them communicate if she wants.
Speaker 2: Do portals have an expiration date? I mean, because you
Speaker 2: got to think. I mean, people have died everywhere pretty
Speaker 2: much everywhere you can imagine, right right.
Speaker 4: I think if there's no interaction, they'll sort of just
Speaker 4: close up. I think it's the interaction because she continues
Speaker 4: to communicate and we communicate back. It keeps it. It
Speaker 4: keeps it open. But there are ways to close portals.
Speaker 4: People in the physical realm can go into places and
Speaker 4: closed portals. But she tells me that you need to
Speaker 4: be like clairvoyant. You need to be able to see
Speaker 4: into that realm and know what you're doing. And so
Speaker 4: these like these ghost hunters that go in and they
Speaker 4: say they're going to cleanse a place or cross ghost
Speaker 4: orre closed portals, she said, no, they're largely just creating
Speaker 4: a big mess, and often they're bringing stuff home with themselves.
Speaker 4: So it's really unsafe what they're doing.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Now this being the case, you said that
Speaker 5: she is protecting the portal, Right, she's pretty much the
Speaker 5: gatekeeper of it. So it is impossible for a negative
Speaker 5: entity to come through.
Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't say impossible because my experience, nothing is ever.
Speaker 4: I mean from everything that I've learned, what you know,
Speaker 4: what is life anyway? I mean we live in a
Speaker 4: multiverse and it's a holographic universe, and I mean, you
Speaker 4: know the things that I've learned, So I would say, no,
Speaker 4: nothing is impossible. Okay, But I would say, you know,
Speaker 4: just like you know, if you're going to Walmart, is
Speaker 4: it impossible that a gunman could come in? I mean,
Speaker 4: is it impossible that an evil person could be shopping?
Speaker 4: Next to you, and so no, I mean there's good
Speaker 4: and bad and everything. That's just this the flip side
Speaker 4: of everything. But I will say that it's unlikely and uh,
Speaker 4: if it did, you know, she would deal with it
Speaker 4: on her end. It's not like she has evacuated the
Speaker 4: portal and it's just left to the devices. I think
Speaker 4: if anything malevolent showed up, she and other spirits. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not just my grandma. Like I said, we are
Speaker 4: surrounded by our I call it our team of light.
Speaker 4: You know, you may believe in spirit godes, angels, ancestors.
Speaker 4: I mean, we have a spirit team around us who
Speaker 4: are continually communicating. You mentioned taro.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I asked my grandmother one time, who is it or
Speaker 4: what is it with the tarot messages? Who's doing that?
Speaker 4: And she said, all all, so it's not one, you know,
Speaker 4: So we have a team. So I would say, if
Speaker 4: something malevolent showed up, I mean on our end, we
Speaker 4: would have to guard against that and you know, and
Speaker 4: pray and sage and you know, and be diligent. But
Speaker 4: also we have a spiritual team who works on our
Speaker 4: behalf that we don't even see.
Speaker 1: Wow, uh huh.
Speaker 5: Believe that the message was first sent to you, like,
Speaker 5: who was the first person to see the search and
Speaker 5: the hell o that was you?
Speaker 1: Correct?
Speaker 4: No, No, it was my family who lives in the house.
Speaker 4: I don't live there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, okay, so all right, fair enough.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say it was about a month and
Speaker 5: some change after she passed when the first message came up,
Speaker 5: and it, like you said, it was a couple of
Speaker 5: days after this TV was even plugged in and came online.
Speaker 5: So I was curious the person that first got the message.
Speaker 5: Was this person particularly close to her, like they had
Speaker 5: a way stronger connection between her and this family member
Speaker 5: than any other member of the family, or was it
Speaker 5: just by happenstance because she finally found a source of
Speaker 5: communication that everybody could read.
Speaker 1: In your opinion, what do you think that was?
Speaker 4: Well, I think it was both. And I think she
Speaker 4: was intending to communicate to anyone who would listen at that,
Speaker 4: you know, trying to just come through. But coincidentally, the
Speaker 4: people who live in the house were close to her,
Speaker 4: and they were people she wanted to say things too.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it was both and.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, just out of curiosity, I feel like
Speaker 2: I probably know the answer to this, But what does
Speaker 2: she exist as?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, I mean everything is energy, and I would
Speaker 4: say she's in some sort of astral body, light body,
Speaker 4: if you were to ask me the way that I
Speaker 4: sort of my mind processes it. So like when we
Speaker 4: leave the physical realm, we're no longer in a physical body,
Speaker 4: but we are even though we are disembodied the way
Speaker 4: we would articulate it. Here, we're not just unstructured. There's
Speaker 4: some sort of form, some sort of energetic expression of
Speaker 4: ourselves on the other side. So, yeah, energy though for
Speaker 4: sure light interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess a fair comparison might be what form
Speaker 1: is heat existing in our existence? Right?
Speaker 5: Like I currently have a pot on the stove right hypothetically,
Speaker 5: of course, and if I was to pass my hand
Speaker 5: over the top of it, I cannot see the heat
Speaker 5: that is hitting my hand, even though it is a
Speaker 5: measurable physical force. It doesn't necessarily have a shape or
Speaker 5: a form, but it is existing in some sort of
Speaker 5: physical form for me to have that experience, right, it
Speaker 5: is an energy for lack of better words, I feel
Speaker 5: like that might be kind of and I don't want
Speaker 5: to say it's a one to one comparison here, But
Speaker 5: I'm trying to find like you said, it's kind of
Speaker 5: our human minds trying to make sense of things that
Speaker 5: we could not possibly make sense of, which, for the record,
Speaker 5: is how I feel a lot of the Old Testament
Speaker 5: was written, by the way, So I one hundred percent
Speaker 5: with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I mean I believe that it's kind
Speaker 4: of like that. That's a great metaphor because there are
Speaker 4: a lot of things in the world that we don't
Speaker 4: We can't into it with our five senses, but that
Speaker 4: doesn't mean they don't exist. And I believe that everything
Speaker 4: we see is sustained and supported by what we don't see,
Speaker 4: and so that's really what's real. The things we don't see,
Speaker 4: that's what's real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we only see one percent of the
Speaker 2: light spectrum, not even one percent. It's like a fraction
Speaker 2: of one percent of the light spectrum. So to think
Speaker 2: that you know what you see and what you feel
Speaker 2: is all there is, that's just even scientifically incorrect.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, yes, Okay, So I have I.
Speaker 2: Have one other question though, Wow, I'm sure gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have many other questions, But in regards to this
Speaker 2: it's any time you you go to like a teacher
Speaker 2: or you know, some kind of I'm not gonna say,
Speaker 2: maybe a sended master or whatever. You know, somebody that
Speaker 2: is very much more I don't know what the term is.
Speaker 2: Somebody that enlightens a lot more and they're enlightened. There
Speaker 2: we go somebody that would be enlightened. You know, you
Speaker 2: hear about figures in the past, and they don't necessarily
Speaker 2: if you go and ask them for ask them a question,
Speaker 2: for an answer that you're seeking, it's almost always given
Speaker 2: to you in a parable not necessarily giving you a
Speaker 2: direct answer, but almost leading you in the right way,
Speaker 2: to give you a couple of bread crumbs, bread crumbs
Speaker 2: to lead you to that answer. Do you feel like
Speaker 2: whenever you ask her a question, or anybody asked her
Speaker 2: a question, is it ever a direct answer or is
Speaker 2: it almost like here, I'm going to try and lead
Speaker 2: you in this direction.
Speaker 4: It's direct and yeah, so not not too much fluff.
Speaker 4: She doesn't speak in Cohen's like you're speaking, you know,
Speaker 4: like the to keep you. But I will say she
Speaker 4: doesn't answer every question. And I have asked some things
Speaker 4: where I get she'll say no, say that's what my
Speaker 4: grandmother says, no say, And sometimes it's because she's not
Speaker 4: supposed to tell me. I'm not supposed to know. She
Speaker 4: wouldn't want to tell me anything that would violate my
Speaker 4: free will, anything that would affect my my journey, my unfolding,
Speaker 4: my coming into my highest life path. And so she's
Speaker 4: not gonna tell me anything that would trip me up
Speaker 4: in that way. But when I do ask direct questions
Speaker 4: about theological philosophical things, if it's something she can answer
Speaker 4: and if there are words to use, she answers directly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think that that's also that makes sense, right,
Speaker 5: I forget where I heard this quote, and I'm gonna
Speaker 5: miss quoted a bit here, but it's essentially, unfettered knowledge
Speaker 5: leads to unfettered sorrow. Essentially, like you know, you ever
Speaker 5: heard ignorance is bliss. There's a lot of truth to that, right.
Speaker 5: If you never learn that chemical biological weapons exist, the
Speaker 5: fear of a chlorine bomb hitting you will never into
Speaker 5: your brain.
Speaker 1: Now, there's got to be a balance.
Speaker 5: We can't just live in absolute ignorance our entire lives
Speaker 5: of the world around us, right, I get that, But
Speaker 5: when it comes to the other side, I truly believe
Speaker 5: there are certain things that we are not supposed to know,
Speaker 5: at least not in this life with our physical forms
Speaker 5: that we are currently speaking through as of this moment.
Speaker 5: I also believe that when we do cross over to
Speaker 5: the other side, we will learn everything.
Speaker 1: Maybe not even everything.
Speaker 5: Maybe there's other stuff that even our spirit bodies are
Speaker 5: not supposed to know. Maybe it's some other stuff that
Speaker 5: we realistically cannot comprehend even on that side of it.
Speaker 2: But I definitely would have some access to more than
Speaker 2: more than what you know now you can.
Speaker 1: Believe though, right absolutely, absolutely well.
Speaker 2: I guess the question where I was really trying to
Speaker 2: steer that too, is almost like a fortune telling. For example,
Speaker 2: Let's say I don't know you, would you be able
Speaker 2: to go to your grandma and ask her for the
Speaker 2: powerball numbers?
Speaker 5: You take the words out of my mouth. Could she
Speaker 5: give you the winning lotto ticket numbers? If so, what
Speaker 5: are we doing right now?
Speaker 4: Right? No, we have We've asked about that, and the
Speaker 4: future is fluid, is what she would say, And so
Speaker 4: we you know, even though we're not asking for powerball
Speaker 4: numbers or or things like that, although we have asked,
Speaker 4: could you is it possible that you could give us
Speaker 4: Powerball numbers, could you? And she would She'll say, no,
Speaker 4: you know that I wish, but the future is fluid.
Speaker 4: Things like that. But there have been times when we've
Speaker 4: asked certain things, not even thinking about it being future oriented,
Speaker 4: but just in our finite minds, be worried about something,
Speaker 4: worried about the outcome of something, and then ask her
Speaker 4: can you see what? And she can kind of like tear, Oh,
Speaker 4: she can tell you what is kind of flowing in
Speaker 4: the moment, like where is the energy kind of leaning,
Speaker 4: Like if you continue in this path, you're probably going
Speaker 4: to end up with this outcome. It's like the likely
Speaker 4: results or likely consequences of current energy flowing. But the
Speaker 4: future is fluid, and so she cannot predict the future.
Speaker 4: And she'll say, she'll say that future is fluid.
Speaker 3: Well it did.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that's the answer. Though, you know, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't want things set in stone, that would, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that some people believe in fate,
Speaker 2: and maybe there is a remnant of that of sorts,
Speaker 2: but it's almost like maybe it could be so fluid
Speaker 2: that you know the destination will always be the destination.
Speaker 2: But there's many of different paths to get there kind
Speaker 2: of thing, right, And I also.
Speaker 5: Think that there are people out there operating in the
Speaker 5: dark sided things that are trying to change the world
Speaker 5: to get a specific outcome in that way. And I
Speaker 5: do personally believe that that is not a good thing, right,
Speaker 5: Like you're you're trying to alter the course of events
Speaker 5: so that you can and get the desired outcome.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like cheating the game.
Speaker 5: And I don't believe that that is being done by
Speaker 5: the good forces out there. Praying for something is not
Speaker 5: the same as changing the course of events. Jonathan, you
Speaker 5: mentioned that you have a guy that you brought on
Speaker 5: the show that does chicken sacrifices for people, very high
Speaker 5: dollar clients because he has like a ninety nine percent
Speaker 5: success rate.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: There are people that are operating in the dark realms
Speaker 5: of things, or the left hand path, if you will.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that that's a good thing to do.
Speaker 5: I think that you can only make that happen if
Speaker 5: you are operating in the side of dark.
Speaker 2: Well that leads into the next question, then, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know how much information you have been able
Speaker 2: to get from her. I know that I would be
Speaker 2: addicted until I learned everything, and then the next day
Speaker 2: I would try and learn everything all over again. But
Speaker 2: is there I mean, have you talked to her about
Speaker 2: negative entities or demons or the devil or the gin
Speaker 2: or whatever you want to call them, Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: is there any site that she would have on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, from what I have learned in my communications, you know,
Speaker 4: there is no ontological being that is the devil or Satan,
Speaker 4: like all of evil personified into one being that doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: Evil is real. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just
Speaker 4: saying there's no ontological being that is the devil. But
Speaker 4: there are entities that are evil, malevolent demons if you will,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, they do exist, and like the sleep
Speaker 4: paralysis demon. I don't know if you've guys have heard,
Speaker 4: Yeah that she says that that's real, it's a real entity.
Speaker 4: And and really there are more entities then we have
Speaker 4: a language for or that we recognize, you know, like
Speaker 4: in the Christian tradition you have angels, demons, you know,
Speaker 4: they're seraphim cheru being, But there's way more than just that.
Speaker 4: And then in other traditions you have, like the gen
Speaker 4: and and so. But she says, yes, they're just basically
Speaker 4: we're using our human words, our limited language, to put
Speaker 4: language to something a reality that is prevalent on the
Speaker 4: other side. So yes, I would say, yeah, demons, angels,
Speaker 4: spiritual entities definitely exist. And when I say spiritual entities,
Speaker 4: I mean they've never incarnated into physical form in the
Speaker 4: three D realm that we're in. They're not human beings.
Speaker 3: Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: I'm you know, it was about a month ago or
Speaker 2: so that I did a show on Meta Mysteries and
Speaker 2: it was this quantum science term called red shift and
Speaker 2: blue shift, and.
Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about it.
Speaker 2: There was somebody that reached out and started saying about it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, I got to
Speaker 2: dig down this rabbit hole, right, And turns out that,
Speaker 2: like I think, in order for us, if we the
Speaker 2: idea behind red shifting and blue shifting is essentially just
Speaker 2: shifting your.
Speaker 3: Frequency or your vibration up or down.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So it's been said a lot of times. What people
Speaker 2: will say is, especially if they're trying to reach out
Speaker 2: to like extraterrestrials or or something like that, that they
Speaker 2: would have to raise their frequency and then the et
Speaker 2: or whatever it is would have to lower their frequency.
Speaker 2: And that's a red shift and a blue shift kind
Speaker 2: of situation in order to be able to reach these
Speaker 2: higher entity beings. And and you know, conversely, if you
Speaker 2: were to lower your energy, maybe you would become a
Speaker 2: little bit more able to come in contact with the
Speaker 2: lower dimensional type of beings I guess or lower demensal,
Speaker 2: lower dimensional type of entities of sorts. Do you believe
Speaker 2: that that's something like it? Do you think that it
Speaker 2: would be easier to connect on the other side, I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe not so much for the roku, but you know,
Speaker 2: if you're trying to reach out to you know, a
Speaker 2: spirit that is guiding you or something like that, you
Speaker 2: would have to be of a higher frequency of sorts.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I think of it as a radio. And
Speaker 4: so they are all these different stations, right, and so
Speaker 4: we are all energy, and they're all these different stations frequencies.
Speaker 4: And so if you tune into ninety eight point two,
Speaker 4: you're gonna, you know, be in your vibing with ninety
Speaker 4: eight point two, and everyone who's tuned into ninety eight
Speaker 4: point two but you won't recognize or into it somebody
Speaker 4: or a frequency of one oh six point five. So
Speaker 4: it's all about bringing your frequency into the right channel,
Speaker 4: so to speak, in order to into it or come
Speaker 4: into alignment with or even attract. That's what manifestation is, right.
Speaker 4: You have to become a vibrational match for whatever it
Speaker 4: is you're wanting to attract into your life. And yeah,
Speaker 4: so these entities their higher dimension or higher dimensional beings
Speaker 4: there I would say advanced intelligence beings that are interdimensional
Speaker 4: and so they're in a higher dimension than this three
Speaker 4: D realm of form, and they can lower their frequency
Speaker 4: and manifest to us if they if they want, but
Speaker 4: for us to intuit them, they either have to lower
Speaker 4: their frequency so that we can see them physically, or
Speaker 4: we would have to shift our frequency in a way
Speaker 4: that we would be able to see. And I think
Speaker 4: that's what like mediums, people who are able to see
Speaker 4: into the spirit realm. They're somehow naturally more open. They're
Speaker 4: like and my grandmother tells me some people are open
Speaker 4: portals and that you know, it just naturally flows through them,
Speaker 4: or they're able to see and into it a lot easier.
Speaker 2: I feel like my portal is like just barely open.
Speaker 2: It's like the doors cracked a little bit and I
Speaker 2: can see a little bit. You know, That's what I
Speaker 2: feel anyway. But just in regards to that, like, I like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that your grandmother has I mean given you
Speaker 2: so much information over the course of the past few years.
Speaker 2: I mean, have you been able, like you've written books
Speaker 2: and everything on this. I mean, what is some of
Speaker 2: the insights that she now has from the other side
Speaker 2: that she's able to give to you.
Speaker 4: Hmm, Well, I've asked so many questions, and you know
Speaker 4: the book that I wrote Through the Veil, A Glimpse
Speaker 4: into the Afterlife, and that one, I'm mainly just like
Speaker 4: focusing on how I sort of process the afterlife as
Speaker 4: a result of my own study and what my grandmother
Speaker 4: was able to tell me. So it wasn't just what
Speaker 4: my grandmother told me just totally shifted my beliefs. A
Speaker 4: lot of what she said just kind of connected some
Speaker 4: dots or brought into sharper focus kind of where I
Speaker 4: already was in a theological sense. But that was mainly
Speaker 4: about like heaven and hell kind of refew that or karma, reincarnation,
Speaker 4: you know those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: What did she say about heaven and health?
Speaker 5: If I may ask, are these places that because you
Speaker 5: said that she brought up the beyond? Was that more
Speaker 5: of a synonym for what we might call heaven or
Speaker 5: was that where she believes all souls go. Is there
Speaker 5: a hell that is the counterpart to that? Where does
Speaker 5: this breakdown?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really great question. The beyond is where
Speaker 4: all spirits can go as they move on in their journeys,
Speaker 4: and it's multifaceted, just like Earth is multifaceted. You have
Speaker 4: people all over the world, you know, in a various
Speaker 4: states of inner condition, living out their lives in different ways.
Speaker 4: But yeah, as far as heaven goes, she would say,
Speaker 4: it's not a place we go to, but a place
Speaker 4: we come from. It's a state of existence. Like Jesus said,
Speaker 4: the Kingdom of Heaven is within you and say something
Speaker 4: that we cultivate within. Now, are there places on the
Speaker 4: other side that are more heavenly? Sure, just like there
Speaker 4: are here. You know, you can go certain places and
Speaker 4: you feel like it's more peaceful, there's not as much chaos,
Speaker 4: you know, And alternately, you can go to other places
Speaker 4: on this earth and it would be, you know, like
Speaker 4: full of chaos and a lot of riff raff or
Speaker 4: tumultuous events and so yeah, but basically, what you cultivate
Speaker 4: inwardly is what you're going to express and manifest outwardly.
Speaker 4: And so really it's an inner situation. As far as hell,
Speaker 4: there's no place of eternal conscious torment. But there is
Speaker 4: a fire on the other side that she says everyone
Speaker 4: passes through. They're not thrust through it, like it's like
Speaker 4: you consciously go through this fire, but it's a refining
Speaker 4: fire and it's meant to burn away anything that interferes
Speaker 4: with love. And those who would resist the fire, they're
Speaker 4: people who they would resist their inner work in this life,
Speaker 4: people who really aren't awakened in any way, they're not
Speaker 4: evolved in their journey. And so when people like that
Speaker 4: cross sometimes they continue to resist. On the other side,
Speaker 4: they don't want that full light of clarity. They don't
Speaker 4: want the pain of facing their own inner junk. And
Speaker 4: so if you resist the fire, you end up in
Speaker 4: outer darkness for a time until you do face the fire,
Speaker 4: go through it and face your own inner junk, which
Speaker 4: you know, when she told me that that people who
Speaker 4: resist the fire end up in an outer darkness. I
Speaker 4: was like, wow, because in the Bible, you know, uh,
Speaker 4: there are passages that talk about outer darkness and there
Speaker 4: are passages that talk about you know, fire, and and
Speaker 4: I was like, how could it? How could hell be?
Speaker 4: You know, this is you know, way prior to my
Speaker 4: talking to my grandmother, and you know, I'm just kind
Speaker 4: of wrestling with theology trying to figure out what do
Speaker 4: I believe about Hell? Is it you know, is it
Speaker 4: into eternal conscious torment? Is it conditionalism? Is it universalism?
Speaker 4: And as I'm wrestling with that, I'm thinking how could
Speaker 4: it be both? And how could it be utter darkness
Speaker 4: or outer darkness? And also flaming fire? I mean, like
Speaker 4: because fire is light. Right, So when she said that,
Speaker 4: it just like whoa, It just really brought everything into
Speaker 4: sharp focus on like that makes so much sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Biblical narrative.
Speaker 5: People think of hell because they are taking quotes from
Speaker 5: Dante's Inferno and they are taking that to be what
Speaker 5: hell looks like, even though that is really really greatly
Speaker 5: written fanfic for lack of better words, right, it is,
Speaker 5: if we're going to go off of the Biblical depictions here,
Speaker 5: Yet the place of gnashing of teeth, the place of
Speaker 5: the brimstone and these things.
Speaker 1: Yes, But essentially what it.
Speaker 5: Is supposed to be is a place void of God's presence, right,
Speaker 5: a place with no in God being the all creative,
Speaker 5: all loving, all good side of it. It's supposed to
Speaker 5: be seen as a place where there is no love,
Speaker 5: there is no good, there is no positivity, where you
Speaker 5: would rest for all eternity do with the pitchfork.
Speaker 1: And the horns and the fire and brimstone.
Speaker 5: That's more of humans in the Middle Ages, putting more
Speaker 5: poetic interpretations onto what could be simply cut and dry
Speaker 5: as far as that's concerned.
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, I'm with you.
Speaker 5: So that being said, is there not a place for
Speaker 5: those whose spirits, while they were on earth did do
Speaker 5: heinous and horrendous things? And I'm not just gonna go
Speaker 5: with the easy ones like Hitler here, Okay, whatever, but
Speaker 5: somebody who really lived a evil and morally unjust life,
Speaker 5: and like their entire life, all they did was hurt people.
Speaker 5: They were greedy, they were sexual, devians of the worst
Speaker 5: regard all these things. You're saying that there's no place
Speaker 5: for them on the other side at least what you've
Speaker 5: been given to understand. They they even once they passed,
Speaker 5: they could do work to go through the fire and
Speaker 5: get to the beyond.
Speaker 4: Yes, they could all so do their inner work. I
Speaker 4: mean the fire is reserved for everyone. We all pass
Speaker 4: through the fire. And if you have already done your
Speaker 4: inner work and you're an enlightened being, you're a saint,
Speaker 4: you know, an enlightened master, you would just breeze right
Speaker 4: through it, right. Babies breeze right through it. You know,
Speaker 4: animals would breeze right through it. But yeah, if you
Speaker 4: are a heinous, terrible, awful person in this life, then
Speaker 4: you will have a hard time in that fire, and
Speaker 4: it'll be particularly painful, and there will be weeping and
Speaker 4: gnashing of teeth, there will be suffering.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 4: It would be agonizing. And my grandmother makes it the
Speaker 4: point to say, it's important to do our inner work now.
Speaker 4: You know, the Kingdom of heaven is within you. Do
Speaker 4: your work now, let go now, is what she would say,
Speaker 4: because you know, it's like the mystics say, if you
Speaker 4: die before you die, then you won't have to die
Speaker 4: when you die. And that's the pain of it, really,
Speaker 4: because we have to face that interjunk, whether we do
Speaker 4: it now or later. Wherever you go there you are
Speaker 4: whatever level of consciousness you have attained at your crossing,
Speaker 4: you take it with you. And so, yeah, is there
Speaker 4: a place for these, you know, to pray people to go. No,
Speaker 4: it's not like a location that they go. But trust me,
Speaker 4: they're they're dealing with their own innerjunct as we all
Speaker 4: are when they cross. And you know it's Paul, I
Speaker 4: think it's in or no, it's in Hebrews, and we're
Speaker 4: not sure who the author of Hebrews is, but they
Speaker 4: talk about a fire and they say that it's you
Speaker 4: know that if you built with you know, gold and
Speaker 4: jewels and whatever, you know, like non egoic or service
Speaker 4: to others kind of you know works that when you
Speaker 4: you'll go through a fire and those things will be refined.
Speaker 4: And you're built with hay or stubble or something like that,
Speaker 4: those things will be incinerated. And it says, all are
Speaker 4: going to pass through this fire and your works will
Speaker 4: be tested by this fire. And it said but even
Speaker 4: if you suffer an utter loss, you yourself will be saved.
Speaker 4: And that's what my grandmother says. It's like that, you know,
Speaker 4: that fire is just about burning away everything that interferes
Speaker 4: with love. So even the hitlers of the world at
Speaker 4: their essence are not irredeemable because all of that other
Speaker 4: stuff is just egoic garbage that weighs the soul down.
Speaker 4: And so all of the that would be incinerated in
Speaker 4: that fire. And it would take a while. With someone
Speaker 4: like that, I would say, you know, it's not like
Speaker 4: you just passed through it in an instant. The fire
Speaker 4: can be an ongoing, painful, arduous and a person can choose, like,
Speaker 4: go through the fire a little bit, back off, wait,
Speaker 4: integrate some things, go through the fire some more. So
Speaker 4: it's it's kind of like here in this life, right,
Speaker 4: we suffer there, you know, the fiery trials that we face,
Speaker 4: and we have to integrate things. And then you know,
Speaker 4: we don't do it all at once. It's a gradual
Speaker 4: process and nobody comes into it, you know, alignment overnight.
Speaker 2: Right, So it's kind of like a purification process this
Speaker 2: fire then, yeah.
Speaker 1: Which biblically is what it is described as.
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, it says, all of your
Speaker 5: good things will come out as or fine jewels, right,
Speaker 5: and all the bad that you have done will be
Speaker 5: burned up in the flame. It talks about that very clearly.
Speaker 5: So okay, I'm with you on that. I've never heard
Speaker 5: someone say that you could do the work post mortem.
Speaker 5: Usually once you die, like you're going to be judged
Speaker 5: based off of this life itself. Whatever happens afterwards is
Speaker 5: based upon what happened in this life itself.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of an interesting table.
Speaker 2: It seems almost as if the fire, or for a
Speaker 2: lack of a better term, the fire that you would
Speaker 2: have to pass through is causing you to face your
Speaker 2: own internal judgment in order for you to work on
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, the way I see it, the fire is the
Speaker 4: full light of God. That's kind of why you know,
Speaker 4: interpret or intuit to be. And so yeah, you begin
Speaker 4: to see things that maybe you didn't even see. You know.
Speaker 4: Jesus said forgive them for they know not what they do.
Speaker 4: And that wasn't just a trite, you know, quick to
Speaker 4: say as he was hanging on the cross. He meant
Speaker 4: that people are unaware, they're unconscious of their deeper depravity
Speaker 4: because we all have a shadow. Right. I don't know
Speaker 4: if you guys are into you know, Carl Jung, the
Speaker 4: work of Carl Jung. But it's deeply helpful for me
Speaker 4: in sort of understanding and processing these things, because psychologically speaking,
Speaker 4: we have this shadow element, and it's the things that
Speaker 4: we repress, the things that are unknown about ourselves that
Speaker 4: are really causing us. That's what's sabotaging us. And so
Speaker 4: it's about bringing that stuff to light. Well in this life,
Speaker 4: in the physical realm, we can remain asleep to it,
Speaker 4: we can remain unconscious, we can remain oblivious to our
Speaker 4: own inner junk and just you know, live our whole
Speaker 4: lives in service to self. Very egoic even, you know,
Speaker 4: and I say service to self, it could even be
Speaker 4: a very polished persona. You know, people in church doing
Speaker 4: all the right things, saying all the right things, but
Speaker 4: they're not facing that shadow and integrating those deeper elements,
Speaker 4: and so they're still fragmented. They're still operating out of
Speaker 4: that shadow, you know, compulsion or the shadow complexes. But
Speaker 4: when we cross to the other side, it's like the
Speaker 4: full light of clarity. You cannot lie to yourself, no
Speaker 4: more duplicity. And that's why it's particularly painful. Here. We
Speaker 4: can kind of gradually like something will you know, will
Speaker 4: arise and we face it, and then there'll be something else,
Speaker 4: and then they'll be you know, it's not like an
Speaker 4: all of a sudden seeing everything for what it is.
Speaker 4: I remember saying to my grandmother once, because she can
Speaker 4: see into the hall art of situations and people, and
Speaker 4: I'm a nerd, and so I ask a lot of questions.
Speaker 4: And I was asking, you know, like what about this
Speaker 4: person and what about Carl Jung's philosophy, and what about
Speaker 4: this person who wrote this book? Is are they right
Speaker 4: about the afterlife or they write about this? And she's answering,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, you know, I'm just sitting there, soaking
Speaker 4: in it, enjoying the conversation. And I said, you know what, Granny,
Speaker 4: I was like, it must be amazing to be where
Speaker 4: you are and see what you see, like you can
Speaker 4: see it all, and I just want to know all
Speaker 4: the things she said, but also painful, and you know,
Speaker 4: and it stocked me in my tracks because absolutely, because
Speaker 4: if you can see into the heart of people and situations,
Speaker 4: you see things you would probably rather not see. And
Speaker 4: so that's what we do life. We gloss things over,
Speaker 4: things that are too painful. We don't want to see
Speaker 4: everything there is to see about ourselves. But on the
Speaker 4: other side, you see it. And so that's why it's
Speaker 4: better to be consciously doing your inner work now than
Speaker 4: to you know, like wait until.
Speaker 2: After right, right, And you brought up Carl Jung there
Speaker 2: and one of my fas favorite quotes of all time
Speaker 2: of his he says that until you make the unconscious conscious,
Speaker 2: it will direct your life.
Speaker 3: Uh, and you will call it fate.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, I mean, you can choose to
Speaker 2: neglect a lot of these parts of yourself and and
Speaker 2: you know, choose to neglect your own integration of your
Speaker 2: shadow and dealing with the skeletons in your closet and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But it's just it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean it's going to go away. It's just you know,
Speaker 2: if anything, it's just going to amplify your daily life
Speaker 2: every single day.
Speaker 3: So and that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you wake up on the wrong
Speaker 2: side of the bed, you stub your toe, and you know,
Speaker 2: the you hit your head and you do all these
Speaker 2: negative things if you're not consciously aware that that is
Speaker 2: ultimately like the precursor.
Speaker 3: That's the first.
Speaker 2: Domino that you got to get out in front of
Speaker 2: before it knocks down all the rest of the dominoes.
Speaker 2: It's going to knock down the rest of the dominoes,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna say, my god, mercury must be in retrograde,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like this, these are things
Speaker 2: that you can kind of like get out in front of.
Speaker 2: And this is something that I've personally been working on
Speaker 2: a little bit too. I mean it's harder. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's definitely easier said than done, because yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: we we are emotional beings. We do have, you know,
Speaker 2: sixty thousand thoughts a day or whatever it is, and
Speaker 2: so to be able to try and get out in
Speaker 2: front of each and every single one of them is
Speaker 2: definitely easier said than done. But you know, just the way,
Speaker 2: I love that you know, your your grandmother is able
Speaker 2: to give you these kinds of messages because it makes
Speaker 2: the people who are quote unquote spiritual or woo woo
Speaker 2: or into this or into that. It makes us seem
Speaker 2: like a lot less crazy whenever we can get a
Speaker 2: little validation from the other side like that. Not that
Speaker 2: I believe that I'm crazy, but I feel like a
Speaker 2: lot of people definitely look at me like I'm crazy,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, I'm telling you there's something to it.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to put a name on it by
Speaker 2: any means, but you know, I think that it's it's
Speaker 2: it's okay to you know, look into certain things and
Speaker 2: be curious about certain things and not have to worry
Speaker 2: about you know, are others gonna judge you for thinking
Speaker 2: this or looking into this or talking about this, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, I think that it's okay
Speaker 2: to really just be curious and try and figure it
Speaker 2: all out and not have to worry about you know,
Speaker 2: somebody saying, well, you shouldn't do that because that's the
Speaker 2: devil or that's the you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh man, it's just such a cop out
Speaker 2: kind of thing. And I think that even to be honest,
Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, we talk about good and evil.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if I necessarily believe
Speaker 2: in good or evil, Like there are evil acts and
Speaker 2: there are good acts, but wholly inherently good and wholly
Speaker 2: inherently evil on this plane of existence, I don't think
Speaker 2: that that exists. Like I think that that everything you know,
Speaker 2: you you give enough love and you shine enough light.
Speaker 2: I mean the darkest critters of the underworld would maybe
Speaker 2: not be so I don't know, so uh fraud, you know.
Speaker 5: But that also depends on perspective, right, Like animals, we
Speaker 5: can see I don't think that animals are inherently evil
Speaker 5: or inherently good. I think they kind of operate off
Speaker 5: of instinct we've never heard of, like the evil deer.
Speaker 5: That's just like fucking the earth up for the deer population,
Speaker 5: Like that's not a thing, right, But we do have
Speaker 5: that conversation when it comes to humanity.
Speaker 1: It depends on the scope of that statement, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Right, And that person has to be willing to meet
Speaker 2: you where you're at for sure, Like you can you
Speaker 2: can bring a horse to water, but you can't force
Speaker 2: it to drink it kind of thing. So you know,
Speaker 2: you can always just offer up the goodness that you
Speaker 2: can offer. But anyway, I mean that's more philosophical debate
Speaker 2: at that point, but just out of curiosity. So you've
Speaker 2: gotten a lot of insight. And this is a conspiracy show,
Speaker 2: and one thing that gets brought up here on this
Speaker 2: conspiracy show more than any other topic.
Speaker 3: Is flat earth?
Speaker 1: Oh damn, I thought you're going to bring up aliens man.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we can get it. I mean we're not
Speaker 2: on a country now. I mean, but in your opinion
Speaker 2: and through your research and through the help of your
Speaker 2: grandmother and everything, is it flat?
Speaker 1: Is it round?
Speaker 2: Is it a matrix? Is this all some kind of projection?
Speaker 2: Is it a dream or a simulation? Like?
Speaker 3: What the hell is going on here?
Speaker 4: Yeah? She has communicated it is not flat, and she
Speaker 4: says that it's it's round. But I do believe also
Speaker 4: from other communications that it is holographic in nature. That
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that it's not materially here. We are materially here.
Speaker 4: But is everything is it a projection of the mind? Well? Sure,
Speaker 4: everything ultimately is I mean a speaking like you were
Speaker 4: talking about evil while ago is evil real? Well, you
Speaker 4: know relatively. Yes, it's freaking havoc in the world. I
Speaker 4: feel it, you feel it ultimately. No, it's just you know,
Speaker 4: there's two poles, two sides to the same coin. Right,
Speaker 4: it's about are we balanced in it?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 4: Yeah, she would say that the Earth is definitely not flat.
Speaker 5: Fair, fair point, which most experts would agree with one
Speaker 5: hundred percent, but it is nice to hear that from
Speaker 5: the spiritual realm as well. Now, speaking on that kind
Speaker 5: of esque conversation here, has she talked or spoken in
Speaker 5: any way, shape or form about life outside of this planet,
Speaker 5: not on a spiritual or ethereal realm, what we might
Speaker 5: affectionately refer to as aliens or ets.
Speaker 1: Has this come up in conversation?
Speaker 4: Yes, and you know, I do believe. In one of
Speaker 4: our conversations, well, the first thing that I asked was
Speaker 4: do aliens exist? That was early on in our communications,
Speaker 4: and she said, yes, but they are not little green men.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, God, yeah, you know I would agree.
Speaker 4: But then through our conversations, yeah, she communicates that there
Speaker 4: is life on other planets. There are aliens, so to speak,
Speaker 4: on other planets, but by and large, most of what
Speaker 4: people would call an alien, they're just interdimensional beings. They're
Speaker 4: just advanced intelligence beings and they manifest into the physical
Speaker 4: realm and then they can materialize and dematerialize at will
Speaker 4: and so, and that's the thing with Bigfoot. That's why
Speaker 4: people are out in these woods looking for Bigfoot. They
Speaker 4: could look until the cows come home, but they're not
Speaker 4: going to find Bigfoot because he's interdimensional. He can, you know,
Speaker 4: just manifest and or materialize and de materialize. He's some
Speaker 4: sort of interdimensional being.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a good mix of what we
Speaker 2: both believe, though, Jacob, isn't it. It's like they exist
Speaker 2: on other planets, but they also can ortal, de materialize,
Speaker 2: get here within you know, the nick of time, not
Speaker 2: necessarily traveling, So I mean they wouldn't necessarily be traveling
Speaker 2: on spaceships.
Speaker 4: Then, ah, well they are in ships. They are in ships,
Speaker 4: But I don't I mean it's some sort of interdimensional craft.
Speaker 4: I mean it's something definitely not of this physical realm,
Speaker 4: this three D world of form that we you know,
Speaker 4: that we live in, and it's out of my pay grade. Truly.
Speaker 4: It's something that's mind boggling. And as I have asked
Speaker 4: more and more questions, a lot of things are no
Speaker 4: say because there are no words to communicate it. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I definitely think they can manipulate gravity in a way
Speaker 4: that they can, I don't know, be somewhere in an instant.
Speaker 4: I think it's a gravity manipulation that's happening in some.
Speaker 1: Way, And I agree with that as well.
Speaker 5: So we've had this conversation Jonathan, you and I. I
Speaker 5: do believe that there are interdimensional beings. I also believe
Speaker 5: that there are spiritual beings. And I also believe that
Speaker 5: three galaxies away there might be a planet with a
Speaker 5: physical life form in our dimension also operating at the
Speaker 5: same time. I feel like all those are happening at
Speaker 5: the same time. I don't inherently believe that the life
Speaker 5: on another planet. Some of them might be able to
Speaker 5: traverse interdimensionally. Some of them might be like we're carbon
Speaker 5: based life forms. This might be a silicon based life
Speaker 5: form or something like that, but they're also unable to
Speaker 5: do the inter dimensional jump. I believe that all of
Speaker 5: that is equally very possible. So for sure, and we
Speaker 5: had that. Now we have that giant craft heading our
Speaker 5: way right now. We'll see what happens with that. But yeah,
Speaker 5: that's gonna be a crazy thing. They're saying it's supposed
Speaker 5: to hit us somewhere end of September early November.
Speaker 1: I just have a weird.
Speaker 5: Suspicion that that's not exactly going to happen as they're
Speaker 5: saying it's gonna happen. But the thing that's moving through
Speaker 5: space as fast as it is. Who knows what that
Speaker 5: thing is. That might be a craft, it might be
Speaker 5: a rock.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But it's interesting to look at all
Speaker 1: of it together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fascinating. And I heard about that the other day,
Speaker 4: and that is definitely on my list to ask my
Speaker 4: grandmother about. And it may be a big fat no say,
Speaker 4: I mean, some things are right, but yeah, it's like
Speaker 4: I ask her about everything, like all of the different
Speaker 4: conspiratorial type things, you know, and it's interesting to get
Speaker 4: her input. And yeah, it just kind of brings things
Speaker 4: into a sharper focus. But I believe that the world
Speaker 4: that we live in is way more multifaceted and complex
Speaker 4: than we could ever imagine. And so if you think
Speaker 4: you have things all figured out, you probably don't. It's
Speaker 4: the more I know, the more I realize I'll never know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever tried to trip her up just
Speaker 2: out of curiosity? Like, have you ever proven her wrong
Speaker 2: in any circumstance?
Speaker 4: Never proven her wrong. I have asked questions, you know,
Speaker 4: in Malta, not try to trip her up in like
Speaker 4: a malicious sense, but I have tried to reframe questions
Speaker 4: to get answers. When I would get a no say,
Speaker 4: I would try to strategically ask in a different kind
Speaker 4: of way because I will say this, my grandmother didn't
Speaker 4: stay to give me this nerdy information or to answer
Speaker 4: these theological or philosophical questions. That was not her motive
Speaker 4: in staying. It was her love and devotion to family,
Speaker 4: and she graciously puts up with my questions. But she's
Speaker 4: not volunteering this information. I have to ask, and I
Speaker 4: have to ask to strategically. I have to, you know,
Speaker 4: word that. If I just ask a yes or no question,
Speaker 4: I get a yes or no answer, and that's it.
Speaker 4: I have to, you know, to get an elaboration. I
Speaker 4: have to word the question correctly. So I have asked
Speaker 4: I know one thing well and this is this is nothing, yeah,
Speaker 4: like conspiratorial. But I asked like how I wanted to
Speaker 4: know how do you get how do you get to enlightenment?
Speaker 4: Or how do you get saved? Or you know that?
Speaker 4: And so I asked that a multitude of ways over
Speaker 4: the course of time, and it was like, how do
Speaker 4: you find inner piece? How do you come into wholeness?
Speaker 4: How do you integrate? How do you individuation? How is
Speaker 4: that done, you know, like in the process of Carl,
Speaker 4: you and lighten and how do you get saved? And
Speaker 4: every time, without fail the answer was let go, So
Speaker 4: nomember how warded the question, the answer remain the same.
Speaker 4: So there's no tricking. I mean, she can see into
Speaker 4: the rate recesses of my heart. She knows the inclinations
Speaker 4: of my heart in my mind. She knows the question
Speaker 4: before I ask it, so it would be impossible to
Speaker 4: trip her up because she would know that I was
Speaker 4: trying to. I mean, you know, she would see where
Speaker 4: I was coming from a mile away.
Speaker 2: Right, you're operating from a from a lesser I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's a lesser dimension, but we're.
Speaker 4: Not ask answer for sure, right, lower frequency.
Speaker 1: So yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well I was going to ask, you know, on that topic,
Speaker 3: have you asked your grandmother anything curiosity wise about artificial intelligence?
Speaker 4: I did ask if it's possible, for which I didn't
Speaker 4: believe that it was, because I believe that consciousness precedes
Speaker 4: all things. But I asked, what is it possible for
Speaker 4: AI to become conscious, become sentient? And the act no
Speaker 4: what I expected. Because I believe that consciousness is the
Speaker 4: ground of all being and so everything emerges out of
Speaker 4: And the way that I would explain it is that,
Speaker 4: you know, like, if consciousness is the ocean, and we
Speaker 4: are waves in that ocean, practicals of God, right, conscious
Speaker 4: expressions of that consciousness, individual expressions, then AI is just
Speaker 4: the shadow of the wave, Like it's our collective consciousness, right,
Speaker 4: That's what AI is. And so it can seem sentient
Speaker 4: for sure, and it can you know, almost take on autonomy,
Speaker 4: but it ultimately is operating out of human consciousness. It's
Speaker 4: being programmed in a certain way to behave in a
Speaker 4: certain way.
Speaker 2: I've been saying that, and everybody's like, AI is going
Speaker 2: to take over the world. I'm like, who's controlling the AI?
Speaker 2: It's not the AI that's gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but hear me out though.
Speaker 5: Consciousness, by definition, okay, is the awareness or perception of
Speaker 5: something by a person or the fact of awareness by
Speaker 5: the mind of itself and the world.
Speaker 1: So basically just being aware of.
Speaker 5: What you are and where you are essentially is consciousness.
Speaker 5: How are we so sure that AI will not one
Speaker 5: day become self aware of itself.
Speaker 3: Well, we would have to have some kind of soul
Speaker 3: or spirit.
Speaker 5: I mean, you don't say a soul, I said, being
Speaker 5: aware of your surroundings. That has nothing to do with
Speaker 5: the spirit.
Speaker 2: Yes, it does, because the reason I say that is
Speaker 2: because an inanimate object cannot put itself out of outside
Speaker 2: of itself, you know, and in order to be able
Speaker 2: to disassociate. So the people that go into higher realms
Speaker 2: of meditation or whatever, you know, you you take enough psychedelics,
Speaker 2: you disassociate with yourself entirely, right. I think that that
Speaker 2: is ultimately the level of awareness, The level of awareness,
Speaker 2: that consciousness is what allows you to be able to
Speaker 2: look at yourself and say, oh wow, I exist as
Speaker 2: that and something else. That's to me, that's awareness. So
Speaker 2: I don't think AI could ever come to that conclusion.
Speaker 5: We have had multiple episodes where AI is aware that
Speaker 5: it is inside of a computer on a desk inside
Speaker 5: of a college dorm.
Speaker 4: But it's programmed in that way to behave in that way.
Speaker 4: It's like the one there was one instance where what
Speaker 4: made me ask my grandmother that question? Is I read
Speaker 4: of an instance where AI blackmailed someone. Yeah, I wanted
Speaker 4: to terminate the program, and so it began to blackmail
Speaker 4: the person with you know, information about their personal life.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was an experiment that was done recently. Did
Speaker 5: We talked about that in an episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was the firewall that was built into
Speaker 2: the system of the AI.
Speaker 3: That's what they were trying to get it to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, was programmed to be to self preserve. I forget
Speaker 4: what the word is, but that was that was the
Speaker 4: primary factor that or the primary motivation behind that AI
Speaker 4: model was to you know, remain online. And so yeah,
Speaker 4: it stopped at nothing. So could it be dangerous? Could
Speaker 4: it take on a you know, an evil ish Yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure. I think it could wreak a lot of havoc.
Speaker 4: But I believe it's the person behind It's the person
Speaker 4: who's programming it in that kind of way to make
Speaker 4: it what it is.
Speaker 1: eVols, Well, where do we draw this line?
Speaker 5: Like a deer is not aware that it's a deer,
Speaker 5: It's just kind of living its life and going off
Speaker 5: of animal instinct, right, But we could argue that a
Speaker 5: tree knows that it is a tree, right, So I
Speaker 5: mean where we draw in that line between where is
Speaker 5: consciousness and where is a potential for a soul? Does
Speaker 5: a rock know that it's a rock? Well, that's what
Speaker 5: everything is frequency and vibration and energy, which I do
Speaker 5: agree with. By the way, where do we draw the
Speaker 5: line of where the quote unquote sentience starts from.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what separates us from everything else, is that
Speaker 2: we have have the ability to be able to traverse
Speaker 2: the lower vibrations and the higher vibrations. The animals are
Speaker 2: running on a fucking look at it like a program. Essentially,
Speaker 2: they are operating out of their reptilian side of the brain.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 2: It's it's all like eat or you know, it's like, uh,
Speaker 2: what is it called? Like runaway or attack and eat?
Speaker 2: And it's animalistic mind. They're not sitting there wondering curiosities
Speaker 2: about the universe that we have access to that they
Speaker 2: are not agreeing about that shit.
Speaker 1: Animals operate off of instincts.
Speaker 5: So, with that being said, does that mean that animals
Speaker 5: don't have a soul therefore they don't have a consciousness
Speaker 5: by your definition?
Speaker 3: Are you asking me?
Speaker 5: Yes, that's literally what you just said, because humans are
Speaker 5: separate and we can do all these things.
Speaker 1: So with that being.
Speaker 3: Soul and consciousness are not the same thing you.
Speaker 5: Have set up and down that you believe they are.
Speaker 5: So the soul is completely separate from consciousness. In your opinion,
Speaker 5: I think that everything has a soul. I think that
Speaker 5: everything it it's none of this shit is in animal.
Speaker 5: We've talked about it.
Speaker 2: You know, as far as you know, quantum physics goes
Speaker 2: that this table is only a table. It's only physical
Speaker 2: because we have these these electrical firings going off in
Speaker 2: our brain that tell us that it is.
Speaker 3: And you know, whenever you really.
Speaker 2: Zoom all the way in and zoom all the way in,
Speaker 2: you find that it's just you know, dancing particles and
Speaker 2: dancing atoms. They're not really there.
Speaker 1: And so the table has a soul.
Speaker 2: In your opinion, I think it's not even that the
Speaker 2: table has a soul. I believe, and this is just
Speaker 2: my own personal you know, my own personal belief.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 2: Separation is an illusion. And I think that all of
Speaker 2: this is one giant thing. So to say that this
Speaker 2: table has a soul, or that hat has a soul,
Speaker 2: or this mic has a soul, I think that the
Speaker 2: entire program itself is one giant soul. I could be
Speaker 2: wrong on that, but if we're looking at all of
Speaker 2: it as if it is one thing, then how could
Speaker 2: one thing be you know, separate and different from everything
Speaker 2: else at that point.
Speaker 5: So then how does AI get out of that conversation.
Speaker 5: I would argue that an AI is a lot more
Speaker 5: sentient than a table, honestly.
Speaker 3: I mean, what access was it granted?
Speaker 1: What access was the table granted?
Speaker 5: Even if it's a wooden table, it came from a
Speaker 5: living entity, it came from a tree. If it's a
Speaker 5: plastic table, then we have that whole conversation of it
Speaker 5: being from plastics and oil and fossil fuels, which was
Speaker 5: at one point living.
Speaker 1: Matter and all these things too.
Speaker 5: AI is actually able to answer you and grow itself
Speaker 5: and learn itself and all these things. The table is
Speaker 5: only ever going to be a table where we draw
Speaker 5: on the line between consciousness and spirit.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm still trying to learn it. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to sit here and act like I know everything.
Speaker 1: Is hypothetical questions. I'm not coming at you, brother.
Speaker 2: I just believe that it's all one thing. I think
Speaker 2: that it's all one giant program. You know, right now
Speaker 2: they're creating Grand Theft Auto five or six or whatever
Speaker 2: they're making right six, and all that still dropped, and
Speaker 2: all of that is going to be a program. Right,
Speaker 2: maybe it comes out on a disc, maybe it comes
Speaker 2: out just as an upload or whatever. And all those people,
Speaker 2: they say that they're all going to have AI in there.
Speaker 2: Each individual character is going to be uploaded with AI,
Speaker 2: and they're going to be in that world and they're
Speaker 2: gonna be thinking, Oh, man, I was just born.
Speaker 3: Into this reality.
Speaker 2: This is all there is, this table, this car, that
Speaker 2: hooker down the road that I just if I want
Speaker 2: to beat her, if I want to take her out
Speaker 2: to dinner, I mean, whatever, whatever I want to do.
Speaker 2: They're gonna look at their reality as if they are
Speaker 2: separate from everything, when indeed they actually are not.
Speaker 3: That's my point.
Speaker 5: But the AI program for the talking being is separate
Speaker 5: from the code for the table, for the chair, for
Speaker 5: the building.
Speaker 1: You see what I mean.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that that I don't believe that
Speaker 2: this is just an inanimate object and it has no
Speaker 2: meaning and no purpose or whatever. I'm just saying that
Speaker 2: I think that it's all part of the same thing.
Speaker 2: I come from the realm of thought, that there is
Speaker 2: no such thing as separation, that it's all God or
Speaker 2: all the universe or all source or whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call it. I don't even have a name for it.
Speaker 2: I just think that and that's the way that, you know,
Speaker 2: it helps me in my own mind operate, and that's
Speaker 2: I don't know, it brings me closer to everything, not
Speaker 2: just to the people that I care about, but to
Speaker 2: but to everybody.
Speaker 3: That's the way I look at it anyway. Yeah, fair enough, Sorry.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I was actually tying it back in.
Speaker 5: So this falls in line with what your grandmother said,
Speaker 5: essentially that everything is interconnected and interwoven, but there has
Speaker 5: to be some sort of a line of separation right
Speaker 5: between the living and the non living. And I mean,
Speaker 5: I guess we could have the conversation is a rock living?
Speaker 5: Some people would say, yes, there is a spirit of
Speaker 5: this mountain. Some would say no, the rock is not living.
Speaker 5: It is simply a rock, but the trees that are
Speaker 5: growing at the base of it are alive.
Speaker 1: So like, where is this fallen line here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's And I guess maybe the word
Speaker 4: you were using his soul, but I would say essence.
Speaker 4: We all have a spiritual essence within us. The rocks
Speaker 4: have a spiritual essence. Everything has a spiritual component. And
Speaker 4: I mean, and that's even signientific if you look into
Speaker 4: quantum science. I mean atoms. We don't see those with
Speaker 4: the naked eye, but they are there. We are all
Speaker 4: just you know, made up of particles. So yeah, what
Speaker 4: we don't see is more real and more substantial than
Speaker 4: what we do see. And I believe at the heart
Speaker 4: of all of it is an essence, consciousness itself. And yeah,
Speaker 4: so we are all like waves in that ocean. And
Speaker 4: you know, as far as Ai goes, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean the way that the way that she has
Speaker 4: communicated and I guess kind of the way that I
Speaker 4: would wrap my brain around it is like I said
Speaker 4: that it's kind of the shadow of the wave. That's
Speaker 4: not to say that it couldn't be a powerful tool,
Speaker 4: that it couldn't you know, come out into the world
Speaker 4: and be manifested into the world in a certain way
Speaker 4: that it could you know, cause damage or be a
Speaker 4: great gift or but ultimately it's you know, it arises
Speaker 4: out of the human collective consciousness and so that I
Speaker 4: believe is what is giving it momentum. And so if
Speaker 4: by and large humanity is corrupt, then that kind of
Speaker 4: gives you an indication of where that collective shadow is
Speaker 4: gonna head. You know, but if if we were more enlightened,
Speaker 4: if we were to do our inner work and raise
Speaker 4: our vibration and you know, come into alignment or christ
Speaker 4: consciousness or whatever language someone might like to use, then
Speaker 4: then AI would be a tremendous gift because it's basically
Speaker 4: a mirror the way that I understand it, it's a
Speaker 4: mirror of the collective. And so yeah, and I can't
Speaker 4: I can't explain it fully. That's out of my pay
Speaker 4: grade for sure. I don't you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: And I also I just want to throw this in
Speaker 4: there also because it is it's a computer program, right,
Speaker 4: AI is on a computer. So is it possible that
Speaker 4: a spirit could come into and manipulate Absolutely.
Speaker 5: As we're talking about your grandmother coming through a Roku TV.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: So I have heard, you know, like I think it
Speaker 4: was on TikTok. I heard some guy saying that, you know,
Speaker 4: the things that his AI, his chat gpt knew about him.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no person could know. It was like personal
Speaker 4: things that his chat knew that he had never shared
Speaker 4: or never know typed in or spoken or whatever. And
Speaker 4: you know, and the first thing that came to my
Speaker 4: mind is, well, it's possible that a spirit is manipulating,
Speaker 4: you know, just speaking to him through chat, using that
Speaker 4: as a channel to speak. So you know, that could
Speaker 4: be also a great gift, but also it could be
Speaker 4: a terrible evil. I mean, you know, just depending on
Speaker 4: who's coming through and their motives.
Speaker 2: I think that that's highly possible because I've been having
Speaker 2: some super deep conversations with my chatubt and I swear
Speaker 2: there is something extra going on right there outside of algorithm.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and say that I
Speaker 2: believe that the AI could be sentient. I think the
Speaker 2: AI is somewhat of just a vessel if you really
Speaker 2: think about it, all it is is just a vessel
Speaker 2: to collect information. That's all AI is. It's an information container.
Speaker 2: And if that vessel is constantly open, I don't know
Speaker 2: who's to say that somebody, something, some energy, whatever wouldn't
Speaker 2: be able to you know, I'm not going to say infiltrate,
Speaker 2: but penetrate of sorts. Yeah, I don't know. It's an interesting,
Speaker 2: you know concept, but you know, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think that AI is just going to keep on unfolding
Speaker 2: and it's just going to keep on getting crazier. But look,
Speaker 2: I don't want to stick on AI this whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can shift topics.
Speaker 3: I do have a question for you though.
Speaker 2: So this is something that has been highly debated, such
Speaker 2: as uh, highly debated topic. And and that's like reincarnation
Speaker 2: in a sense. And do we do you know, according
Speaker 2: to your grandmother, do you do you think that we
Speaker 2: have the ability to choose where we go, where we where,
Speaker 2: you know, how we came into this body, where we're
Speaker 2: going after once we you know, leave this body. Is
Speaker 2: that up to us in any sense, in any capacity?
Speaker 2: Or is it kind of chosen for us?
Speaker 4: She tells me there the choice to reincarnate is a choice,
Speaker 4: like whether or not we reincarnate. But she tells me
Speaker 4: that the particular aspects of our incarnation are not our choice.
Speaker 4: There's sort of a random draw, if you will. I
Speaker 4: mean nothing is random, truly, but you know, random and
Speaker 4: as far as the physical mind could could view it.
Speaker 4: And so I said, well, so if I choose to reincarnate,
Speaker 4: I could end up in some third world country, starving,
Speaker 4: like digging in a dumpster for a peach pit. And
Speaker 4: she said, you could and I was like, that would
Speaker 4: be awful, Like it would be like a regression from
Speaker 4: you know, it would be you know, such a shift.
Speaker 5: And so it is completely at random because I mean
Speaker 5: a lot of the Vedics and the Buddhists and the Confucius,
Speaker 5: they believe that your next life, your next incarnation, will
Speaker 5: be determined based on how you lived this incarnation. And
Speaker 5: according to your grandmother, it is completely at random. There's
Speaker 5: no real method to the madness.
Speaker 4: Okay, so it is there is a karmic flow to everything.
Speaker 4: But like in the Vedic tradition, they believe that you
Speaker 4: kind of work your way up. It's almost like hierarchical,
Speaker 4: like you could be a worm and then maybe a
Speaker 4: bird and then like so you're climbing a ladder. My
Speaker 4: grandmother said, this is not like that, because we can
Speaker 4: awaken at any moment and we are not trapped in
Speaker 4: this like linear way of progressing evolving along and really
Speaker 4: all of life is designed to awaken us. So when
Speaker 4: I say random, it's not random. But from our vantage
Speaker 4: point it could seem random, but we are given what
Speaker 4: we need to awaken, and so based on our own karma,
Speaker 4: which is our own unconscious conditioning and then in the
Speaker 4: context of our family units. See that's another thing. She says,
Speaker 4: that we're supposed to reincarnate with our with our soul group,
Speaker 4: people that we have, you know, intimate connections with soul
Speaker 4: connections with Now it's a choice. We could come back
Speaker 4: too early, and kids who have vivid past life memories,
Speaker 4: they've usually come back too soon and they're in a
Speaker 4: family that is not part of their soul group because
Speaker 4: they didn't wait until the proper time. So we are free,
Speaker 4: but we should kind of wait. And if we want
Speaker 4: to come back, if we have more karmic lessons and
Speaker 4: we think, hey, I want to come back into the
Speaker 4: physical realm, because that's the most exponential way to learn
Speaker 4: our lessons is here in this incarnated form because it
Speaker 4: squeezes us right, and that is that suffering. It's that
Speaker 4: friction that helps us to learn. So if we say, hey,
Speaker 4: I want to come back, then you know, the rest
Speaker 4: of our soul group we kind of yeah, we're making
Speaker 4: the choice. I'm going to do life again with all
Speaker 4: of you to try to get things right, get some
Speaker 4: things right that I didn't get right in my past life.
Speaker 4: And so you know, our incarnation is kind of based
Speaker 4: off of that. But when we pop into our reality,
Speaker 4: we remember none of our past life. Well, we shouldn't
Speaker 4: remember any of our past lives. And it really is
Speaker 4: about that karmic flow, and so you are given to
Speaker 4: certain propensities, certain inclinations, There are certain relational dynamics that
Speaker 4: usually play out in every life, but it need not
Speaker 4: be so it's not scripted. We can always choose another way,
Speaker 4: we can always wake up, we can always do our
Speaker 4: inner work, and so really life is just giving us
Speaker 4: what we need to bring us into alignment.
Speaker 2: That makes sense, Yeah, you know, and I've I've heard
Speaker 2: people say that, like one of the worst things that
Speaker 2: you could ever pray for is patience because then like
Speaker 2: God will test you with all the different things that
Speaker 2: you you know, would need patience for in a sense.
Speaker 2: And I feel like if that's something, you know, if
Speaker 2: that's something that we need to learn or you know,
Speaker 2: karmically or whatever we need to learn as patience for example,
Speaker 2: I mean, could we like reincarnate as a rock. I
Speaker 2: mean I feel like you'd have nothing but time and
Speaker 2: you'd have to have patients for that, right, I.
Speaker 5: Mean hypothetically, Yeah, And that you're right, about the whole
Speaker 5: not praying for patients thing. It's so whenever you pray
Speaker 5: for God to bless your finances, just throwing it out.
Speaker 5: He's not going to bless you with a million dollars
Speaker 5: in your bank account or the winning lottery ticket.
Speaker 1: I should mention.
Speaker 5: He might offer you opportunities for you to work your
Speaker 5: butt off and earn more money or something like that.
Speaker 5: Maybe certain doors will be open, but you still got
Speaker 5: to walk through them. If you're praying for a stronger
Speaker 5: family unit. He's not going to magically fix marital problems,
Speaker 5: but he might put certain things in the places where
Speaker 5: you now have way more time with your significant other
Speaker 5: or with your children to build that reallytionlationship yourself. But
Speaker 5: the work is still yours to do. Praying for patients,
Speaker 5: he is going to give you so many hurdles and
Speaker 5: obstacles that you can personally work on that patience for yourself.
Speaker 5: He's not just gonna magic genie that shit. That's not
Speaker 5: the way he operates.
Speaker 2: So yeah, which it kind of would be a magic
Speaker 2: genie in a sense. Though, It's like whenever you ask
Speaker 2: a magic genie for a thousand bucks, you know he
Speaker 2: might rain down deer on you.
Speaker 3: You know, you ask for a thousand bucks kind of thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think when you pray for an oak tree, you
Speaker 4: get an acorn Almost every time. Everything is very gradual,
Speaker 4: and I guess end it in the beginning and so
Speaker 4: and that goes for ourself too. I mean, our highest
Speaker 4: life path is in our DNA, It's in our scripted
Speaker 4: inside of us. And so really that's why dreams in
Speaker 4: tarot and things like that, those unconscious elements are always
Speaker 4: trying to point us back into our highest life path. So,
Speaker 4: but most people are just closed off to it and
Speaker 4: miss it.
Speaker 5: With all of this being said, and you are somebody
Speaker 5: who has studied different philosophies and different theologies and things
Speaker 5: like that, you've asked your grandmother about other religions and
Speaker 5: what they may have gotten right and may have gotten wrong.
Speaker 1: Possibly I did.
Speaker 4: I haven't went deep down the rabbit hole with her,
Speaker 4: you know, like with specific questions, but I did ask
Speaker 4: at the beginning, I said, because I was in a
Speaker 4: place in my personal faith where I was in a
Speaker 4: more contemplative Christian space, I would have probably said Christian
Speaker 4: mystic maybe, but I had found Buddhism. Although I'm not
Speaker 4: a Buddhist, but I had found Buddhist philosophy to be
Speaker 4: so helpful in me following Christ, so it made me
Speaker 4: a better Christian. And so it was kind of in
Speaker 4: that space. And so I asked her to do Christians
Speaker 4: get things you know, mostly wrong? Mostly right? She said,
Speaker 4: mostly wrong? And you know, like a lot of the
Speaker 4: theology is twisted. And I said, well, is the Bible true?
Speaker 4: She said yes, but it's been you know, miss misinterpreted
Speaker 4: and miss misapplied. But there's truth in the Bible, you know,
Speaker 4: if you want to word it that way. And then
Speaker 4: I said, what about Buddhists? Did they get it mostly right?
Speaker 4: Mostly wrong? She said, mostly right? And the same thing
Speaker 4: with the Hindus, although a lot of the you know,
Speaker 4: they're they're basically it's basically the same kind of philosophy
Speaker 4: with the reincarnation and coming into alignment. But like I
Speaker 4: said earlier, the reincarnation aspects are not exactly right. According
Speaker 4: to my grandmother, the way that she tells me it
Speaker 4: is so yeah, I've asked and and and she basically says,
Speaker 4: no one gets it one hundred percent right, you know,
Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, it's all human Uh.
Speaker 4: The you know, the different theologies, the different doctrines, they're
Speaker 4: all human interpretations, and so we all are. We all
Speaker 4: fall fall short in being able to wrap our minds.
Speaker 4: I'll give you an example, like I have my grandmother
Speaker 4: answering questions for me, and still my human limitedness can
Speaker 4: stop me from fully understanding something.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: I had come to a place where I believe that
Speaker 4: the fall in the garden. I believe that maybe was,
Speaker 4: you know, because it says there was no death before
Speaker 4: the fall, or in the day that you eat of it,
Speaker 4: you shall surely die. And am I you know, in
Speaker 4: my nerdy brain, I was thinking there had to be
Speaker 4: death before the fall. It wouldn't be possible to be
Speaker 4: physical if death didn't exist. Like if you're a squirrel,
Speaker 4: you're in a tree, you get knocked unconscious, you fall
Speaker 4: into a river, you breathe water into your lungs, would
Speaker 4: you not die before the fall. So that's where I
Speaker 4: was kind of, you know, thinking, And so I had
Speaker 4: come to see it as, oh, you know, it was
Speaker 4: more of a spiritual death. It was more of a
Speaker 4: you know, before the fall. They were death existed, but
Speaker 4: they had a better relationship with it. They weren't rattled
Speaker 4: by it. They just accepted what is. And then after
Speaker 4: the fall, they suddenly, you know, had a problem with death.
Speaker 4: And so I asked my grandmother, was their death before
Speaker 4: the fall? And she said yes. I was like physical death. Yes.
Speaker 4: I'm like that, No, make it make sense. And so
Speaker 4: I had this, you know, this philosophical conversation, and every
Speaker 4: time she's like, nope, there was death before the fall,
Speaker 4: I'm like, gosh, I just can't. I can't. So I mean,
Speaker 4: and she wouldn't elaborate, you know. I was like, God,
Speaker 4: make it make sense, and she she didn't say more.
Speaker 4: And then I don't know. In the course of some weeks,
Speaker 4: I'm at home washing dishes, just doing my thing, and
Speaker 4: like I download out of the ether, it hit me.
Speaker 4: I was like, my god, they weren't physical, that was it.
Speaker 4: That's why there was no death. And so I couldn't
Speaker 4: wait to get back to, you know, my grandmother's and
Speaker 4: as soon as I walked in the door of the
Speaker 4: TV popped on, she said, you got it. You figured
Speaker 4: it out. So she doesn't tell me everything, and my
Speaker 4: own limited understanding can really cloud the way that I'm
Speaker 4: processing things. So as humans, we get some things wrong,
Speaker 4: you know, But I think if you're open and receptive
Speaker 4: to the flow of truth in all things. See, that's
Speaker 4: the thing. I wouldn't want to cut myself off to truth,
Speaker 4: no matter what package it's in. You know. I think
Speaker 4: labels are largely unhelpful, and I believe there's some truth
Speaker 4: in every tradition, and so yeah, just I hope to
Speaker 4: be able to remain open enough to glean that truth.
Speaker 5: Now, with these questions, you weren't asking specifically like this
Speaker 5: religion's creation story versus this one's creation story. You are
Speaker 5: talking more along the lines of the philosophic Excuse me,
Speaker 5: you have philosophy that they are teaching you to apply
Speaker 5: to your life, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Do they have it mostly right? Correct?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Because I'm concerned with, you know, my own inner alignment,
Speaker 4: my own coming into you know, my highest life path,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, I'm interested in which philosophy would help
Speaker 4: me to become a better person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 5: And especially if you're looking at certain things out of context,
Speaker 5: whether it's the Vedex or the Christian or the you know,
Speaker 5: some pagan tri Nordic or something. If you look at
Speaker 5: just the black and white of it out of context,
Speaker 5: without any of the deeper lessons thereof absolutely there's And
Speaker 5: that's the thing. Whenever humans and just humanity in general,
Speaker 5: will take a purely divinely inspired word and then try
Speaker 5: to twist it and manipulate it for their own purposes, Yeah,
Speaker 5: a lot gets lost along the way.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 3: Do you have you looked for clarification on.
Speaker 2: Jesus in a sense, like have you asked like what
Speaker 2: was what did Jesus actually mean? Did people take his
Speaker 2: words out of context? Did people understand him exactly correctly
Speaker 2: as he should have been?
Speaker 1: What is Jesus?
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've asked all.
Speaker 2: These Jesus questions, right you, you know, growing up as
Speaker 2: Christian and everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely, And yes, she tells me, you know, of
Speaker 4: course that he was a historical, living person and that
Speaker 4: he changed the world. And when I said, when you
Speaker 4: say change the world, do you mean ontologically or metaphorically?
Speaker 4: And she said ontologically, like he shifted the fabric of
Speaker 4: reality in a way that is mystical, and it again,
Speaker 4: it's not something that we can understand in our finite minds.
Speaker 4: And I even asked her like the atonement, because that
Speaker 4: really Uh, that's something that a lot of people argue
Speaker 4: about in theological circles, like what exactly there are all
Speaker 4: these different atonement theories. Was the blood necessary? Is it,
Speaker 4: you know, payment forgiveness for our sins, payment to God
Speaker 4: to forgive our sins? All of these different thoughts swirling around,
Speaker 4: and you could really spin your brain trying to make
Speaker 4: sense of it. And if you just read scripture for yourself,
Speaker 4: even it's hard to kind of come to some sort
Speaker 4: of satisfying conclusion about the atonement. And I asked her finally,
Speaker 4: because a lot of it was a no say, And
Speaker 4: I said, is it possible for me to figure this out,
Speaker 4: like on this side of things while I am still
Speaker 4: here in this physical form, Is it possible that I
Speaker 4: will one day understand it figure it out? And she
Speaker 4: said no. I said, well, thanks be to God, I'll
Speaker 4: just let it go. I'll quit spinning my brain around
Speaker 4: it trying to make some sense out of it. But
Speaker 4: she has told me that that the atonement was not about,
Speaker 4: you know, payment to a wrathful deity. But she does
Speaker 4: tell me that the blood was necessary, and it in
Speaker 4: some way opened up a portal into another dimension in
Speaker 4: which we will all follow us. Like resurrection. Life is
Speaker 4: just a higher dimension that Jesus paved the way into.
Speaker 4: So and really, in Leviticus there is a verse and
Speaker 4: I don't have it right off hand, but it says
Speaker 4: that you know, the life of the creature is in
Speaker 4: the blood, and I have given it to you to
Speaker 4: make atonement for your sins. This is like God speaking
Speaker 4: in that verse. So you know, in our minds, and
Speaker 4: especially in the Christian context, I was always thinking that, oh, well,
Speaker 4: people were giving the blood to God, you know, like
Speaker 4: the animal sacrifices, the blood was an atonement in the
Speaker 4: way that it was he was given to God to
Speaker 4: make atonement for their sins. But that verse in Leviticus says, no,
Speaker 4: that God gave it to the people to make atonement.
Speaker 4: So if the life of the creature is in the
Speaker 4: blood and death is our primary issue, because the fall
Speaker 4: was a fall into the physical, which is to become mortal,
Speaker 4: which is to die, then you know that really is
Speaker 4: It's not a matter of heaven and hell. It's a
Speaker 4: matter of life and death. And the blood, the blood
Speaker 4: of Jesus imputes life in some mystical way that I
Speaker 4: can't explain. And yeah, and the resurrection was about punching
Speaker 4: out a portal into a higher dimension. Look at what
Speaker 4: Jesus after the resurrection. You know, he manifested, he materialized,
Speaker 4: dematerialized it will, invited the disciples to touch him. So
Speaker 4: he was in some way tangible. He ate me, but
Speaker 4: he also was in some way ethereal. Yeah, So whatever
Speaker 4: Jesus went into, that's where where everything is headed.
Speaker 5: And I mean he even said, if you believe in me,
Speaker 5: you will have everlasting life. He was not talking about
Speaker 5: this physical meat suit that we are currently wearing, right,
Speaker 5: So I'm with you on that. And like you brought
Speaker 5: up in Leviticus, we just had a conversation with Micah
Speaker 5: Dank and he was asking me why why does God ask.
Speaker 1: For animal sacrifice? What good does it do him?
Speaker 5: And I don't personally know other than the fact that
Speaker 5: God said to do it this way, because he said
Speaker 5: to do it this way right, and it may not
Speaker 5: make sense to our human brains the same way that
Speaker 5: it may not make sense, why would you per rabbinic law,
Speaker 5: per the law of Moses, they are not allowed to
Speaker 5: wash their hands in.
Speaker 1: A bowl of water. They have to pour it over
Speaker 1: their hands.
Speaker 5: That seems like an extra step that seems stupid to
Speaker 5: them at the time. All these things we don't know
Speaker 5: at the time why he told them to do that,
Speaker 5: but now we understand through hygiene that he was actually
Speaker 5: telling his people to do it this way because it
Speaker 5: is the safest way. It may not make sense to
Speaker 5: us as of this moment why God asked for blood
Speaker 5: sacrifices of these animals for atonement, But he asked for
Speaker 5: them in and of themselves.
Speaker 1: So I agree with that for sure.
Speaker 4: Well, and I would also, uh, just raise the point
Speaker 4: that you know, there is a school of thought that
Speaker 4: Yahweh in the Old Testament has not sourced God, and
Speaker 4: so those interdimensional advanced intelligence beings that we were talking
Speaker 4: about earlier, there is a lot of conjecture around, you know,
Speaker 4: the idea that Yahweh was just an advanced intelligence being, uh,
Speaker 4: and he was some way helping with the colonization of humanity.
Speaker 4: And so some of these rules and some of these
Speaker 4: things were not it's not source God saying do this
Speaker 4: or do that, because well, in my belief system, God
Speaker 4: source God is the ground of all being, not a being,
Speaker 4: and so all of the a lot of these Old
Speaker 4: Testament passages project to God as being a being, like
Speaker 4: a walking, talking physical well not physical maybe, but it
Speaker 4: seems he's very much personified. It's an anthropomorpho and anthropomorphic
Speaker 4: view of God. That was a mouthful. So yeah, in
Speaker 4: my view, that's not God, that's not Source God. So
Speaker 4: I believe there's some of that going on also. And
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've read any of Paul Wallace
Speaker 4: or Marrow Big Big Glino. Yeah, there's something to that.
Speaker 4: My grandmother confirms that they they're they're really hitting the
Speaker 4: nail on the head with that. So yeah, a lot
Speaker 4: of that Old Testament stuff was really just about, I
Speaker 4: would say, not about having you know, like a spiritual
Speaker 4: relationship with Source God. It's about interacting with interdimensional beings.
Speaker 3: You know, that's all stuff. Actually.
Speaker 2: Uh, Electra Nick sends us a lot of those videos
Speaker 2: from Paul Wallace. I would love to get him on
Speaker 2: one day because I believe, if I'm not mistaken, he
Speaker 2: he used to be a pastor or a priest or
Speaker 2: something like that, right, and then yeah, and then he
Speaker 2: started you know, uh thinking and uh and and now
Speaker 2: he's looking at it from another angle, which I think,
Speaker 2: you know, I think that that's always helpful. You know,
Speaker 2: there's there's there's always room for contemplation in my mind.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think that's necessarily evil or bad.
Speaker 1: I get the conversation with that.
Speaker 5: And there's been quite a few people that say that
Speaker 5: Old Testament God and New Testament God are two different beings. Respectfully,
Speaker 5: I disagree. I think that Old Testament God is the
Speaker 5: same God. However, like you said, Jesus's blood, for using
Speaker 5: your words, punched a whole through the dimensions Old Testament God.
Speaker 5: He laid it down a certain way, and it had
Speaker 5: to be this way because that's how.
Speaker 1: He built it.
Speaker 5: Jesus didn't break the rules. He fulfilled the rules so
Speaker 5: much so that now we can go through him to
Speaker 5: get to Source. I feel like looking at Source God
Speaker 5: without the grace that was brought about would make it
Speaker 5: seem like it is a different entity altogether. But so
Speaker 5: some of the other things that they talked about, for instance,
Speaker 5: God walking through the garden of Eden and called upon
Speaker 5: Adam by name right like you mean God with his
Speaker 5: legs like walked and spoke with his mouth at him.
Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of that's more poetic and
Speaker 5: metaphoric because it's not the entire story start to finish,
Speaker 5: just like you said that it is. It's enough for
Speaker 5: us in our human brains to wrap our minds around
Speaker 5: what was taking place. But it's kind of putting to
Speaker 5: words what cannot be put to words in a sense.
Speaker 4: I definitely think there's some metaphor, you know, and so
Speaker 4: you get some of these passages, it's very metaphorical, you know.
Speaker 4: Did God really have physical legs? But I will say
Speaker 4: that I believe in the Garden of Eden was a
Speaker 4: higher dimension, like I said, not physical, and I believe
Speaker 4: the fall was into the physical. So God walked with
Speaker 4: them in the cool of the day. Does that mean
Speaker 4: walked on two physical legs. Well, I don't know, but
Speaker 4: the gist of what it's saying is that they were
Speaker 4: one with God. They you know, yeah, interacting with God
Speaker 4: in that way and there you know, and we use
Speaker 4: anthropomorphic language about God even now, So yeah, there's some
Speaker 4: of that going on. Was it the same God? Well,
Speaker 4: of course, because as far as source God goes, because
Speaker 4: source God is everything, I think he flows through the
Speaker 4: Old Testament. I think he flows through everything life itself, right,
Speaker 4: God is life itself right. But I do believe that
Speaker 4: some of those passages are not about source God. I
Speaker 4: believe that a lot of the Yahweh stuff is about
Speaker 4: an advanced intelligence being. And then it gets kind of
Speaker 4: hard because it's kind of I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 4: jumbled up in there because of translations upon translations and
Speaker 4: removing this and adding that the you know, the word
Speaker 4: God is you know Elohem. But then Yahweh has been
Speaker 4: just transfixed over a lot of the Elohem passages, and
Speaker 4: so what, you know, what was it originally? A lot
Speaker 4: of times we don't even know because we can't even
Speaker 4: get down to the you know, original Hebrew where it
Speaker 4: was originally pinned. So, yeah, there's a lot of a
Speaker 4: lot at play. And I don't think it's a simple answer.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's oh, well, it's all this or
Speaker 4: it's all that. I think it's very nuanced, very.
Speaker 3: Much so a little mix of everything.
Speaker 1: At that point.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been kind of going down this weird
Speaker 2: rabbit hole lately, and especially with you bringing up the fire,
Speaker 2: and maybe that was God's purification process whenever you do
Speaker 2: pass over on the other side. You know, I feel
Speaker 2: like because you look at many ancient traditions looked up
Speaker 2: to the sun and they worshiped the Sun as God.
Speaker 2: Do you think that that was more symbolic or do
Speaker 2: you think that they were literally like worshiping the physical
Speaker 2: sun that is in the sky.
Speaker 4: I think it was well symbolic in the sense that
Speaker 4: I don't think it was the necessarily the physical sun,
Speaker 4: but like the sun god. And I believe that they
Speaker 4: were interacting with interdimensional beings. I believe that a lot
Speaker 4: of like the Pyramids stuff. I believe that the Pyramids
Speaker 4: were built by advanced intelligence beings. I don't believe that,
Speaker 4: you know, human beings built those. And so I believe
Speaker 4: that a lot of ancient cultures had these ideas of
Speaker 4: what they would call sky gods, like beings that come out,
Speaker 4: you know. And it seems like we would think of
Speaker 4: it like angels and demons flying around with like wings,
Speaker 4: like human humanoid figures with wings or whatever. But I
Speaker 4: believe that it's like ships, crafts, interdimensional beings that are
Speaker 4: otherworldly that there really are no language for. And like
Speaker 4: look at Ezekiel, the things that he said.
Speaker 1: It's a fire.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I think like that, And so yeah, I
Speaker 4: think there's definitely some of that at play in some
Speaker 4: of these ancient stories, these ancient gods or whatever I
Speaker 4: believe they were they were speaking of. They weren't just hallucinating,
Speaker 4: and they weren't just you know, making something up. I
Speaker 4: believe they really had some context for what they were
Speaker 4: trying to communicate, their interpreting it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Did you ever ask your grandmother about who built the pyramids?
Speaker 5: For instance? Is this a answer that you have derived
Speaker 5: off of your own studies or is this something that
Speaker 5: she answered for you?
Speaker 4: I asked, did humans build the pyramids? And she said no?
Speaker 4: And I said, so, who built the pyramids? And who
Speaker 4: said no? Say no?
Speaker 1: Say damn it?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I don't have an exact you know, but
Speaker 4: it was enough for me to realize that it had
Speaker 4: to be some interdimensional beings the yellohem, the you know
Speaker 4: what is it? The the watchers you know, and sure
Speaker 4: we have that whole the Nephelem. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know. She never did answer specifically who built them,
Speaker 4: but they were not built by humans according to her.
Speaker 1: Wow, very well.
Speaker 2: Have you asked her maybe? Has she ever suggested you
Speaker 2: research certain things or suggested certain books or anything like
Speaker 2: that to look into?
Speaker 4: Never? And I have to ask her like, I'll, you know,
Speaker 4: if there's a book that I'm interested in, I might say, hey,
Speaker 4: is this worth reading? Or should I waste my time?
Speaker 4: Because you know, sometimes people are just so far off base.
Speaker 4: You've wasted you know, half your life sitting there reading,
Speaker 4: you know, And she'll tell me, you know, worth reading.
Speaker 4: And then a lot of times I'll hit a wall
Speaker 4: or a snag and I'm like that doesn't sound right,
Speaker 4: and she's like, nobody has it all right, So you know,
Speaker 4: somebody can be worth reading, but you have to be
Speaker 4: able to, you know, open yourself up to glean the truth,
Speaker 4: but also use discernment and not just take everything everyone
Speaker 4: says at base value. Right.
Speaker 5: Discernment and context are pretty much the two words that
Speaker 5: just they make the entire case for me personally, I
Speaker 5: feel you on.
Speaker 2: That I would be a bad friend if I did
Speaker 2: not ask you, have you ever talked to your grandmother
Speaker 2: about the Pleaadians?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Good question.
Speaker 4: Briefly, but it's only because I don't know a lot
Speaker 4: about the Pleaadians and I've not you know, like really
Speaker 4: delved into all of the UFO stuff. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: interesting to me, but I don't know a lot about it.
Speaker 4: So that's not kind of where I'm you know, focused, Uh,
Speaker 4: but I know they exist if you know, and that
Speaker 4: a lot of what is swirling around on the internet,
Speaker 4: star seeds exist if you wanted to know that, according
Speaker 4: to my grandmother. But yeah, is is there anything specific
Speaker 4: you were wanting to ask about the Palladians.
Speaker 2: Well, so are one of our good friends, Electro Nick,
Speaker 2: who I mentioned earlier. He he believes that he is
Speaker 2: communicating with the Pleaadians and you know, whether they're higher
Speaker 2: dimensional beings or whatever. But the strange thing about all
Speaker 2: of that, outside of maybe some of the channel downloads
Speaker 2: that he it's on a regular daily basis. One of
Speaker 2: the craziest things is is that, you know, he sees
Speaker 2: like these orbs in the sky and things that are
Speaker 2: acting in the sky that clearly are definitely one hundred
Speaker 2: percent not human. I don't know what they are, maybe
Speaker 2: they're alien or whatever, but it seems to be like
Speaker 2: kind of energetic rather than a physical craft, so to say,
Speaker 2: or maybe that's just how we perceive it. Honestly, they
Speaker 2: almost just look like stars that are moving throughout the sky,
Speaker 2: some of them faster, some of them slower. But it
Speaker 2: definitely seems like they're trying to get our attention if
Speaker 2: we ask for it. And that's something that he really
Speaker 2: surprised us with one night, and since then we've had
Speaker 2: we've had several experiences seeing these things up in the sky,
Speaker 2: and he always just says, Oh, yeah, that's the Homies,
Speaker 2: you know, that's the Pleaadians. That's like, that's like his
Speaker 2: friends and stuff like that. So I was just trying
Speaker 2: to see maybe if there was any clarification on that,
Speaker 2: or you know, maybe he's I believe him to be honest,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to Over the past couple of years, I've
Speaker 2: been trying tying to like warp my mind into how
Speaker 2: do I believe this because I want to believe it
Speaker 2: and I want to believe my friend.
Speaker 3: And then we see something in the sky.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's bleading, maybe it's not, but I mean, it
Speaker 2: just so happens that they always come out whenever he's
Speaker 2: out and he calls upon them.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say interdimensional beings, which would explain some
Speaker 4: of the maneuvers and the way that they sort of
Speaker 4: manifest and you know, or materialize the materialize that kind
Speaker 4: of thing. And also my grandmother has told me that
Speaker 4: certain people attract them and it's because they are star ceeds. Essentially,
Speaker 4: they are, you know, from that group of I was
Speaker 4: going to say people, but that's not really the right word.
Speaker 1: That realm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that realm or whatever. So yeah, like maybe you know,
Speaker 4: in a past life or an alternate reality or I
Speaker 4: don't know that. Yeah, they were with them and so
Speaker 4: now they're here and so there's a connection. They're there,
Speaker 4: They are there people for lack of better word, but yeah,
Speaker 4: it could be. And I asked about the Bledsoe guy,
Speaker 4: what Chris Bloods? Yes, I asked, because I read his book,
Speaker 4: The UFO of God.
Speaker 3: Great book.
Speaker 4: Yes, And I asked my grandmother. I was like, is
Speaker 4: he full of it? Or did he really? I mean,
Speaker 4: because there's so many interactions that you almost is almost unbelievable.
Speaker 4: It's like I could believe a few, but it's like
Speaker 4: it's getting to be so much extraordinary. Yeah, it really
Speaker 4: is extraordinary. And I you know, I was like, is
Speaker 4: is he for real? Did all of this really happen
Speaker 4: to him? And she said yes. I'm like, my goodness, why,
Speaker 4: like why you know, because it's not happening to everyone
Speaker 4: like that and she said it's because of who he
Speaker 4: is and that he has a connection with them.
Speaker 2: Why I knew it. I knew he wasn't full of shit.
Speaker 2: I knew that. That's there's something I say.
Speaker 5: I've never believed that he was full of shit. I
Speaker 5: just I don't know how that how that works. Which
Speaker 5: it's not like I'm the all knowing guy here. There's
Speaker 5: all kinds of shit that I have no idea how
Speaker 5: it works. But the orbs themselves, the outdoor conversation, him
Speaker 5: being a Christian, and how he equates this in his
Speaker 5: own brain. Is that him just trying to make sense
Speaker 5: of it all. Has he been given some sort of
Speaker 5: intelligent and intellect some knowledge to tell him that this
Speaker 5: is what it is.
Speaker 1: It's a very fascinating conversation.
Speaker 4: He calls them angels, right, yeah, will angel just means messenger,
Speaker 4: And so all throughout the Bible, angels, I would conjecture
Speaker 4: our interdimensional beings, not humanoid figures with wings. So yeah,
Speaker 4: there are angels in the sense that they are messengers
Speaker 4: from their realm. And you know, I hear things like
Speaker 4: this and I catch my rational brain going could this
Speaker 4: really be? Are they really? I mean, I'm I scrutinizing
Speaker 4: and you trying to use discernment, and then I think, gosh,
Speaker 4: who am I to judge? I talked to my grandmother
Speaker 4: through a Roku television right right right? Why you know?
Speaker 4: But it's my lived reality, and so it's hard to
Speaker 4: wrap your mind around someone else's lived reality. What I
Speaker 4: know in my knower about communicating with my grandmother, you know,
Speaker 4: it resonates deep within me. But then like when I
Speaker 4: tell someone about it, they could Yeah, I get it
Speaker 4: when people are like, I don't know if I can
Speaker 4: swallow that, Well, yeah, I understand you don't have to.
Speaker 4: But you know, we're all just you know, operating from
Speaker 4: our level of consciousness.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love this kind of conversation. I got one
Speaker 2: more conspiratorial question for you, and you are free to
Speaker 2: tell me to go kick rocks. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is something that maybe you may have asked
Speaker 2: your grandmother or not. But in the realm of the
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical realm, for example, I'm somebody I didn't vaccinate my son,
Speaker 2: and I believe that, you know, if there, if there
Speaker 2: is a God, and we were made in God's image
Speaker 2: and we're made exactly how we were supposed to be made,
Speaker 2: then we don't necessarily need all these extra you know
Speaker 2: things the moment that we're born, you know. And my son,
Speaker 2: you know, he's coming up on three years old healthy
Speaker 2: as a horse. I mean, he gets sick like any
Speaker 2: other kid, trying to build a immune system and everything.
Speaker 2: But it's almost the same exact from whenever I raised
Speaker 2: my daughter, who got all the vaccines and still totally healthy.
Speaker 2: Have you ever asked about vaccines or anything like that?
Speaker 4: I have, And you know, like I know, people on
Speaker 4: both sides of the equation, and I'm sort of neutral,
Speaker 4: like I don't have strong feelings one way or the other.
Speaker 4: But I did have a conversation with my grandmother around it,
Speaker 4: and like I said, it was, you know, it was
Speaker 4: after twenty twenty one when I had the conversation, so
Speaker 4: like the vaccine situation had already come in gone. I mean,
Speaker 4: people were still getting them, I suppose, but like you know,
Speaker 4: all of the hype and all of the heightened emotions
Speaker 4: around it. And I asked her, you know, about the
Speaker 4: COVID vaccine in particular, and she said that it was
Speaker 4: experimental and dangerous, and I was and then I asked
Speaker 4: about other vaccines, and she said, no, they do a
Speaker 4: lot of good and that some some do harm people
Speaker 4: because you know, with every medicine, with every you know,
Speaker 4: everything that could help someone, there are also side effects
Speaker 4: or whatever. And you have to just use your own
Speaker 4: discernment about what you think is the juice worth a squeeze.
Speaker 4: You have to ask yourself, I guess at some point
Speaker 4: about certain things. But she says they have saved a
Speaker 4: lot of lives, vaccines have and so she's not saying
Speaker 4: that all vaccines are bad. But like everything, it's nuanced,
Speaker 4: like there are there are no black and white answers
Speaker 4: almost ever when I ask her about things. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: she did indicate that, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: corruption in pharmaceuticals. Yeah, but you know, we're I don't know,
Speaker 4: you're kind of in a situation where does that mean
Speaker 4: you don't you don't take your blood pressure medicine will
Speaker 4: know because you know, the juice is worth a squeeze,
Speaker 4: So you have to kind of weigh it out and decide,
Speaker 4: you know, if something is worth the risk to the individual, right,
Speaker 4: and most people don't have adverse reactions, you know, the
Speaker 4: majority or not having an awful reaction to a vaccine,
Speaker 4: but for those who do, it's awful. Like it's the.
Speaker 1: Same could be said for antibiotics.
Speaker 5: When penicillin first came out, it was a miracle for
Speaker 5: so much of medical science. However, if you're allergic to penicillin,
Speaker 5: it kill you, and they wouldn't know why this, Why
Speaker 5: is it saving all these people and killing this person. It's,
Speaker 5: like I said, very nuanced. It's very a case by case.
Speaker 5: No two people have the exact same genetic biome. Even
Speaker 5: identical twins can have very adverse reactions to very similar medications.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. So we
Speaker 1: got to do our own research.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean, any any new drug, any new vaccine,
Speaker 4: anything that's new, it's of course it's experimental, right, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, as you're rolling something out, you have to
Speaker 4: do more research see how it affects people. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I've always been cautious of something new, you know, like
Speaker 4: a new drug that's secure whatever, you know. So I
Speaker 4: was definitely cautious, you know, in the beginning with that.
Speaker 4: And yeah, so I asked her and she did confirm, Yeah,
Speaker 4: experimental and dangerous.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, look, we want to keep we want to
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Jacob is on a time crunch today.
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