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somebody who helped inspire my show and I found him
I think four years ago through Lawrence Karwana, which he
was one of my first one of my first interviews.
But welcome to the show for the first time ago.
Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for having me on, Miguel.
Speaker 3: For those that don't know where can they find you?
What's your show on by radio? All that good stuff?
Let them know, HM.
Speaker 4: I think the best place would be the God Above
Good dot com or type in on your search bar
bar a on byte a e O N then b
y te and it should come up. And my website
has all the goodies, the podcast, social media videos courses.
Just release a gnostic taro which hasn't been done before.
Very excited work with Matt at Altrucian Grace Media to
get this going. And yeah, everything should be there.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. So I'll put the links in the description
Miguel for those that don't know about you. Like I said,
I learned about you through Lawrence on his presentation on Gnosticism,
which Nacissism for me was the gateway, I guess, to
the rest of it all. When you start to realize, like, hey,
there's I was. You know, a lot of people don't know,
but I was born and raised Pentecostal Christian. And when
I started to read the Nagamadi Dead Sea Squirrels, I'm like,
wait a minute, there's the complete opposite of what I've
been taught my entire life. There's the opposite of that.
And then you're you got family members telling you I'll
stay away from that. Don't even don't even utter you're
you're it's blasphemous, it's heretical. And I felt dirty, like
I felt like this uncleanliness as I was doing this research.
But then you start to really accept things and it's like, okay, well,
I can look at this from a healthy perspective with
having my boundaries right, Because a lot of the times
you talk about things and people assume you have a
lot of different guests. People assume that that's what you
believe one hundred percent. It's like, no, I'm I'm I'm curious.
I want to learn, and how can you learn without
seeing other perspectives even if you don't agree with them
hundred percent? But nacissism did that for me. How'd you
get started in this whole journey? I guess gnarcissism and
yesoteric and everything else.
Speaker 4: Oh, I've always been on that journey. I was always
the kid that just didn't fit, felt like was born
in the wrong world. As you know, as a kid,
I used to dream, well, maybe if I'd been born
in the medieval times or the Roman times. Yeah, I
do think about the Roman Empire every day, but that's
because I do gnosticism. Choice. Yeah, right, So I was
always thinking. Playing a lot of dungeons and dragons, reading
a lot of science fiction just never really fit. It's
like it's that like Morpheus in the Matrix. You know,
there's something wrong with the world and it's driving you
met like a splinter in your mind. So I was
always an outcast and a searcher, and it got me
interested in different philosophies religions. Unfortunately got me into a
lot of wrong places, like drugs and the wrong crowd, crime,
all that other stuff. So it's been a as I
call it, a spiritual hiking. I always considered myself Roman Catholic,
but my mom was always part of the ecumenical spirit
of Catholicism, so it was always driven in my head
to be very open to other religions, try them out,
visit their temples and churches, read their works. My mom
also was always very much about how the Hebrew Bible
was myths, don't take it literally, so she kind of
put it in my head about symbolism and allegory. So
I just kept wearing different clothes, becoming a Buddhist one
for a few years, atheists, going to ashrams, going to mosques,
going to just trying different things. But gnosticism was what
you might say in my God mid thirties or more,
was what slowly satisfied the big answers in life. What
is evil? Why is there suffering? What's life after death?
And it really gave me the best worldview for me. Now,
everybody's different, and I admit that all systems have flaws.
Every religion or philosophy as holes in it. Nothing's perfect.
I don't believe that everything will answer everything you need
to just sometimes embrace the ambiguity or experience the mystery
of life. But gnoscissism, for me is open more the
channels of communication within me and I rationally satisfied how
the world is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's what it did for me as
well when And what I love about narcissism is that
it teaches you, like the origins right of reality itself,
which to me, I believe that the believed it was
consciousness right, the father thinking, and then you know a
thought of itself thinking, and then you know the Cristos,
the child and all that stuff. And there's right, nothing
is perfect. There's only like forty five thousand different denominations
of Christianity. I'm sure that they can right, they all
have it together. And that's always baffled me. Where how
you how many meanings you can extract from one core
set of beliefs like one thing, and you have people
who will argue up and down that right, the elites
don't use symbolism for nefarious purposes, which, okay, you can
make that argument, but there's a reason why these symbols exist,
and there's a reason why they've been used throughout thousands
of years, including these groups, right, like the Underground which
were the Gnostics, right, they the Ora Boros and all
these different things. So it's like there's this, It's always.
This is something I always think about. It's like why
things are the way they are, Why these symbols exist,
why these beliefs exist, like the paranormal. I don't know
about ya. I'll be driving sometime, like yo, I was
thinking to yesterday, to d or whatever it was. I
was driving back home and I'm like, if Bigfoot was real, right,
we have more cameras on the Earth right now than
we ever have had since the beginning of time. It's like,
don't you think we would get a good clear picture
of a Bigfoot or something? Like the best we got
is the Patterson Gimlin footage like that, that's what the
best we got, right, But some people still believe in
It's like, well, was it in intermensal? Like I don't know?
And and that's another aspect of Gnoscissism that I love,
the interdimensionalism of it. The There was this this lecture
that I was listening to by Terence McKenna and I
think it was called the The Gnostic Astronaut or something
like that, and he's talking about in it, he talks
about Philip K. Dick and how how I guess spacey.
The Gnostics are like right, like you have the idea
of the planetary spheres, the celestial bodies, and every single
celestial orbit being a different dimension and a different dem
like the archons. It's very celestial, right, like spacey. I
know some people think space is fake and gay, but
I've come to understand space as a different not what
they've taught us, because I've a lot of things right.
Because again, this is about history, and I keep seeing
this re emerging pattern over and over again that it
seems like that the people who are onto something right,
one of them being the Gnostics, they're usually wiped out right.
The people who are preaching some sort of of extracurricular
gnosis that goes against the mainstream, that is not what
is culturally accepted. And I mean the Gnostics were just
that they were definitely preaching stuff that was out of
the norm. And even between then, there was more than
fifty sects of gnosticism. I mean gnosticism for those that
don't know what it is, I mean that it's more
of a blanket term for a large group of people,
and they all had their own beliefs and do you
know if they disagreed with one another, do you know
there was like schisms or fights between them.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, even the Naikamadi Library, there was overt shots
fired or casting shade on each other, like texts like
The Testimonial Truth or The Apocalypse of Peter and they
are caught. One group is calling out the Simon Magas group,
others calling out the Valentinians facilities. Yeah. Yeah, they had
no problem talking shit about each other. It's what she
did in that sort of hellenistic world. Yeah, you believed
everybody had to write to do what they wanted to do,
But there was no problem talking smack about each other
and challenging each other's ideas. Again, they were non violent,
so it's not like it ever led to anything.
Speaker 3: You have a favorite sect narcissism by any chance.
Speaker 4: Probably the Sethians, I think, as many scholars said, they're
probably the more original Gnostics, and they were really, i
think sometimes the most hardcore, the most unapologetic, and they
had some of the most intense theologies. Yet at the
same time they're poetry and hymns is really beautiful, really ethereal.
So I like the I like the Sethians personally.
Speaker 3: I have this idea of right gnosis because there are
a lot of things that the Gnostics did that we
don't know what it consisted of, like for example, the
Book of Iao, like the like the more magical aspects
of it. And I believe that when once they achieved
the gnosis, which we don't know what it is or
how you were able to write, it was just this
divine knowledge that you stumbled across. And I think that
the reason that we don't know about the gnosis is
because they fizzled out of existence once they learned the noses.
I feel like I think it's either WILLIAMS. Burrows or
I forgot who the hell said it? Where it's like
there there is a string of letters and words that
will destroy you as a person. It's like once it's
once you learn the real name of who is it
is a downard once you learn his real identity, Like
you fizz a lot of reality that you learn who
killed JFK. It's like you know you you you cease
to exist, like you step outside of space and time
and become this overser of reality. And I think about
that when I'm conducting research all the time, Like I'm like,
is this next sentence gonna be the one? Because sometimes
you read one sentence and you connect a whole bunch
of dots that you wouldn't have otherwise connected, Right, And
gnostissism did that for me. It filled in those holes
in the mainstream that I grew up. And there's a
reason why my grandma, right, she would be so pissed
if she heard the show, But she told me, like, hey,
stay away from the Book of Enochs. Some family members
even told me stay away from the Old Testament. They're like, yeah,
you know what, just chuck that whole thing out. It's like,
what do you mean, Like that's the canon, isn't it.
He's like yeah, But so you can't nitpick, you know
what's what you want me? You're essentially manipulating somebody's reality.
And I think that these books I'll even count the
Knackamodi and The Dead Seas Girls, like what I call
interdimensional literature, where it resonates throughout reality itself, almost like
the right the plasmate that that Philip K. Dick talks about,
which we can get into the Terrence McKenna and that
in that lecture that I was listening to. Sometimes, I
don't know if you ever find yourself. I'll listen to
something and it's like, man, this is garbage for like
the first three quarters of it, right, and you're almost
done with They gotta let me just power through it
so I can get it off my playlist on YouTube.
And that last twenty five minutes, Terrence McKenna was just
going off talking about Vallas, talking about the book Valuids.
He's like, I wish I would have written that book,
and he starts to fire off all these different things
about about Vallas and Philip K. Dick's philosophies, where it's
like I never thought about it like that, how Philip K.
Dick puts it where they will write the frozen logos,
the frozen Word of God was in those caves. And
I don't buy the mainstream narrative of how they found
right these these scrolls and these old texts. I went
to h I was in Atlanta this past weekend this
past week for vacation Soon Mount in Georgia, and there
was an exhibit on King Tut and I went and write,
they tell you this whole crazy story how they found it.
It's like, I don't know if I buy that mainstream story.
I don't. I don't know if I buy that discovery
like how they say they discovered it right, And same
thing with the with the Knakamadi and the Dead Sea squirls,
like wholl they were throwing it in a fire and
they were trying to It's like, I don't buy that.
I think that maybe they had access to it and
they were just like, hey, this is too because how
long did it take like thirty years allegedly to translate it?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 3: Don Marco Allegro was one of the people who also translated.
Am I am? I correct on them my spreading freak news.
Speaker 4: No, just for the Dead Sea scrolls. The Nachamody took
longer than that, probably about seventy nine forty five to
seventy nine, so they had to be gathered and put together.
And yeah, there's definitely different versions. There's one version where
the two brothers who originally discovered a skeleton with fangs
and long claws by it, and there's some other sensationalistic versions. Yeah,
there's many versions.
Speaker 3: Really, I wasn't aware of that. So they found like
a vampire skeleton by the.
Speaker 4: By the text, or a nephelm one something like that.
But yeah, that was one of the versions they told
James Robinson and some of the other teams.
Speaker 3: Interesting, well, I mean it plays into again the concept
of were the Gnostics onto something right? This they were
interacting with this word virus, right, This this what I
call grammatical entities, where they formed once you interact with it,
it's like the thing you don't know who has it,
but like once you interact with it, you you're stuck
with it for life. And this concept of they were
at this border of the next evolutionary you know step.
And that's why again when they link alchemy into that,
it's like, no, the alchemists they knew about this. They
knew and that's why they were looking for the Philosopher's
Stone to push the evolution of man further right and
step into that next, which was the cause of the
interaction with the logos. So what are the calls of
the HOMOPLASMI is that what Philip k Did calls it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the plasmn Yeah, that's not surprising. I mean
that area upper Egypt, Nagamati was was a place where
a lot of the first and dustry. You're all chemical
labs starting, So it was all going on around that area,
this sort of strange mysticism which would eventually turn into
gnosticism and meticism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then obviously have the Platinist neoplatonism and all
that good stuff, which again, and this is what people
need to understand about this. These are the people who
paved the way for work Catholicism and Christianity and all
these other religions that we know and love today. I mean,
this was the underground, This was the og And whenever
I read these texts, I don't know about you, but
I I mean, it could be fan fiction or it
could be because I think about this too, is like,
what's the difference between text that somebody wrote, you know,
a thousand years ago versus something that like for example,
Philip K. Dick, which some people consider him a sort
of messionic figure, right, he was having these divine downloads.
But it's like who gets to pick that of who
has divine downloads?
Speaker 4: And not? Right?
Speaker 3: It's like, if you have something talking to you, Miguel,
what discredits you over you know, insert your savior figure here?
You know what I'm saying like, who gets to pick that?
And I've never again, I've witnessed miracles in front of me,
and I've seen things the supernatural of you will in
the church because when the Holy Spirit is in the house,
it's moving right. And again I'm not the practicing Christian,
but i still do believe in God. I still do
believe in a source. But it's like I've never understood
people like, oh, God spoke to me. It's like, are
you sure it just wasn't your internal dialogue talking to you.
It's like, do you have any thoughts on that of
how you can distinguish between like something other worldly talking
to you or it's just like yourself. I mean I
talk to myself internally all the time.
Speaker 4: Well, what it would be the difference? I mean if
we go even if we go now and we take
it a step further, we go to Yung who was
obviously foundation of his work was gnosticism. Whether it's your
inner soul or from above, it's almost the same thing.
I mean, that's a whole hermetic thing, an astic thing,
as above, so below, as outside, so within. We are
housed in the universe. The universe is housed within us.
Obviously the concept behind the Gnostics and the hermeticis would
have to be shamanism. It was originally Egyptian, a continuation
of the Egyptian mysteries, and therefore it really was a
form of shamanism. So the key is always an altered
state of mind? Did you go did you have an
altered state of mind? Was your consciousness expanded? Did you
have revelations that you didn't have before? And of course
the other key too is did you have a lot
of synchronicities? That always that that gives away the game
when you start seeing synchronicities and you start seeing things
that weren't there before. So these things are obviously you
might say, they are valid and they are real in
a very superno type of way.
Speaker 3: They are valid and they are valids. Right, yeah, yeah,
I mean I actually got this.
Speaker 4: Are your dreams? Are your dreams real? Well, they are real,
it's just a different type of reality. I don't know
if you've.
Speaker 3: Ever read this book before, but I started a neat
podcasts today. I'm going to say today today is January third,
twenty twenty four, six twenty four pm Eastern. Before anybody,
I mean, I haven't found a podcast named this but
Starry a new podcast to Rip It On Society. And
I don't know if you've ever read this book before,
the Three Myths of God's Devils and pieces by the
rip It On Society, and it gets into it's like
three separate and of course right speaking of synchronicities. These people,
I don't know if they were trolling me or not,
but they put the paper of like the stock of
where it's at on page thirty three, which I thought
was really interesting. So I'm like, these people know it's
about alchemy and they put it on page thirty three
to maybe mess around with me or not, but it's
about here. It's a cycles of the Phoenix, the Bapha
mento history and symbolism and the mad Gods sacraments. But
apparently it's from ninety eight, I think at ninety seven,
and it's the rip It On Society. It was like
so the brand new I think it was almost like
two hundred something bucks, but I got it for like
forty bucks or something. But I'm going to be reading it.
It's got to do with obviously Philip K. Dick. But yeah,
the idea of so an altered state of consciousness because
I don't. So there's you have the Carl Jung the
shadow self right, looking within the whole Red Book aspect
of it all that the alchemical aspect of speaking with yourself,
and the thing with that of distinguishing between divinity and yourself.
It's like, I personally, I don't believe that we can
achieve godhood, right because at the core principle of a
lot of these religions is the imitation of God. But
that's almost heretical in a sense, right, imitation of God. Well,
some people go, no, no, it's to be christ like,
not to achieve and try to usurp God himself. It's like,
now you have to live in a way where you're imitating, right,
these core principles like the Tank commandments, you know, follow
the ten commandments. At the core of the Tank commandments,
don't be a piece of shit, be a good person,
don't lust, don't or respect your family essentially is what
it is. I mean, that's not hard to follow, but
some people, obviously some people have a hard time doing that.
But the idea of being a because that's at the
core of narcissism. No, becoming a god like you are divine, right,
you are you have the divine spark in you? Because ye,
how the bay Off was it came from divinity, although
he was the abortion essentially, but he did still have
some divinity within him. Therefore you are divine. And again
that's the that's the kicker, and narcissism is like, no,
you weren't created by God. You're created by a lesser
God and he created this reality to trap you in it.
So we get this whole simulation concept. And again this
is elementary, but for those that don't know, who are
trying to follow along, yeah, that's the hard pill to
swallow when it comes to nacisism. And I remember when
I first learned about narcissism and really started diving deep
into narcissism and I told people about it, They're like,
oh you, so you worship Satan. Now it's like what
they even say it, I'm just explaining to you a cosmology.
But again it goes back to the beginning where I
mentioned when you talk about certain things, people automatically believe
that you that you, that's what you believe, that's what
you you know accept And it's like, no, I want
to learn the truth. But again, I think these people
were onto, similarly to how they silence people today on
YouTube and all on all these platforms, Like if you
weren't speaking something that would shake the the empire to
its core or something, then why would they bother with you? Right, Like,
if you're not saying something that's valid, so they silence you,
and therefore they validate you at the same time, because
I mean, people brag all the time about getting kicked
off of YouTube or or all these other you know, Instagram,
buy the ship that they post, right, like the truth
or community takes uh uh that as a what the
hell they call it? Anyways, they take that as a
mark or like, oh I did good. It's like no, bro,
you're It's like, what better way than to hack their
system to exist within their ecosystem? And you have to
self censer a little bit then and so be it.
That's the way, That's the alchemical way. That's why they
spoke in these symbols, because they were trying to occult
it from those that they didn't want obtaining the knowledge.
Like you can read these books all you want, you're
not going to understand it because you're not initiated, right,
And I feel like a lot of the texts of
the Gnostics that we don't know today what they were
for has to do with that. And one of the
concepts that has always been I want to talk to
you about is the concept of a braxis. And like,
I still don't under like alchemy. I still don't understand
alchemy after all the hours and hours that I put
into it. But can you break down a braxis for us?
And what exactly or who is a braxis? And from
from your point of view?
Speaker 4: Oh, dear, sorry, I've been listening to you all over
the place. Yeah, I'm like, why, I'm wondering what am
I doing? Yes, I'm sorry, You've got it. Praxis braxis, Well,
it depends do you want a youngion or the gnostic
ancient Gnostic view?
Speaker 3: Ancient Gnostic view.
Speaker 4: Well, we really don't know. That is the mystery right there.
He appears originally in coins, magical coins, and usually it's
a depiction of a being you that you want to
either avoid that his cosmic powers will not notice you,
or you can summon. There are spells of a braxis.
We find there's a somebody found a spell ironically recently
during the pandemic about somebody having a pandemic in London,
and he was invoking a Braxis what and he appears, Yeah, yeah,
this praxis praxis. I don't know a pandemic. Yeah, I
put it up somewhere. And then he appears in magical
papyri as some sort of creator being. But the first
person to talk about is a gnostic stage called Facilities
in the second century Alexandria, and he places he divides
the universe into three hundred and sixty five dimensions, and
Abraxis is the highest of all the rulers of all
the dimensions. The lowest one would be the god of
the Hebrew Bible Yahweh. And he puts a Braxis. The
problem is, we don't know if he meant to Braxis
is like the chief ARCon or is he some sort
of god above God. So he appears in different places,
but it's pretty mysterious, and he continues to appear in
magical tones and so forth across history. This being that's
rooster head, human body, snake, legs, chariot driving this sort
of yeah, very enigmatic being. In fact, the founder Pete
Carroll of Chaos Magic always said that a Braxis came
in second place instead of Baffo Mitt for one of
the patrons of chaos magic. So he appears here and
there we know that the knights templar when they were
got there. The seal to guard their treasures was a braxis,
an image of a braxis. So it's a powerful symbol
that magicians and austicks use, but it's very secretive. At
the end of the day, we know very little.
Speaker 3: That was another one for me Baphomet, wanting to understand
exactly what Baphomet was. And obviously through that you find
Tracy Twyman's work Alex Rivera, and that was that was
like my gateway, the Baphomet gateway, and I from there.
I poked my head in through that rabbit hole and
kept going and here I am four or five years later,
still trying to figure it out. It's like the more
you look into and that's part of the occult too,
the more you look at it. I think it was
folkan Eli or something that I was reading where he
talks about how these subjects they they more fright in
front of you, right, So you have the templars this
even they're enigmatic and they're do you would they have
been Gnostics the Templars.
Speaker 4: There's good evidence for it. I mean, why would they
be using the seal of a Braxis? And of course
if Bafomed is Tracy Twyman and Alex riveatse they were
doing some sort of baptism to Sophia. We also know
that they dedicated their churches to Mary Magdalene or built
their churches, so we have another clue there. Their interaction
with groups like the Assassins, Muslim Gnostics, other things seems
to be pointing at it. We can't. I mean, obviously
there's nothing, there's no smoking gun like we do with
other groups like the Kathars. Yeah, they rubbed shoulders with
the Kathars in certain places. So as a as a scholar,
one said, all we have is dots, but there's a
lot of dots to connect, so I would lean towards it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who are the ones that the Nazis were messing
around with trying to find artifacts? Was that was that.
Speaker 4: They definitely visited the Cathar Land.
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, exactly. And that was another thing like and
this is why it's so fair, because history right, if
you want to believe it because you have the crowd
that doesn't even believe, right the mainstream history, which is fine, right,
like we're here to question. It was like you can't
question if you don't even believe, what can you believe?
It's essentially like what's what's there left to believe? If
you can't even write? There's There was no dark Ages,
there was no like this whole Skylla Geran chronology and
and all these concepts. But so we have this the
templars almost being like a right, there were the churches
er scenarios at the forefront, but then behind the scenes
they were worshiping these entities, these interdimensional entities. They had
all these amulets that were being prophesied too. And I
never understood was the was the head of John the Baptist?
What Baphomet prophesies through the head? Was that the whole?
And I'm going to show you something on a presentation
that I've been working on in regards to like I
want to talk about Philip K. Dick today too, and
I want to get your thoughts on this. Have you
heard of the missing head of Philip K. Dick?
Speaker 4: The missing head you talking about the robot head?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the robot had you ever hear about that?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a blast.
Speaker 3: Like how how wild is that? And I linked that
to obviously, right, we have the I got the slide here,
we have the the Terror film, right that, and then
the guy that made that, made that android he was
all so he had also made ahead of himself in
ninety five he built a humanoid head in his own likeness,
and he's the guy that's with the robot Sophia. So
and then of course you have him because something like
how I mentioned at the beginning, some people considered him
a sort of messiah figure who was getting downloads from
something otherworldly. And I've heard different because I just got
into Philip K. Dick not long ago, and I started
with Vallas. And there's some things like, for example, your
show when I first stumbled across it, there's some things
that I didn't understand because I wasn't there yet.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It feels like sometimes you have to attune yourself to
certain frequencies to be able to grasp the message. And
it's like Philip K. Dick. If I would have heard
of Philip K. Dick and started at the beginning of
my journey, I wouldn't have understood it at all because
it's so heavy and it's the implications are so great, right,
what he's saying that it completely changes, but it fills
in those those holes within history, right? What are your
thoughts on Philip K.
Speaker 4: Dick?
Speaker 3: As far as have you ever read this book The
Palm Tree Garden of Philip K. Dick?
Speaker 4: The Palm Tree Garden, No, I have not.
Speaker 3: So it's I forgot who it's by. I'll get you
the name. I'll send you a copy. But the Palm
Tree Garden is a.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what it is, this concept but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the concept of the Black Iron Prison. I'll
send you a copy of I'll email you a copy
after this. But how'd you stumble across Philip K.
Speaker 4: Dick?
Speaker 3: And and what are your thoughts on him?
Speaker 4: Well, obviously i'd seen movies based on his work, Blade Runner,
total recall all that Minority Report, but never connected it
into anything higher. And then as I started studying about
gnosticism in the early two I kept just kept running
into Philip K. Dick. And in fact it was I
really wasn't grasping what the Nagamedy Library was saying, even
though it sounded so familiar, like the story of Sophia
felt so natural, like it really belonged in Christianity. But
it was Valus that really crystallized what Gnosticism was and
what Gnostic thought was. And then the sequel or the companion,
the divine invasion did it for me, and I just
became an acolyte of his, of of his work and
his ideas since then a dickhead.
Speaker 3: Is that that's what they call it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess that's I guess that's what they call him.
The embrace Yeah, perfect.
Speaker 3: And the story you mean, like the whole her you know,
wanting to give birth of our concent like that whole thing.
Is that what you're saying that resonates with you because
it's almost it's almost like.
Speaker 4: I was remembering I was remembering a story. Plus, it
just made sense that Christianity should have a divine and
in principle it just seemed instinct instinctually and intuitively natural.
So and of course the idea of the demiurg just
made sense, you know, back then, because the Hebrew Bible
is the Hebrew Bible, and this world is the mess
that it is. No higher intelligence could have designed this universe.
It's just it's just self evident, if you know, if
you know what I mean, intelligent design is more like
unintelligent design. And so sort of it made sense. But
sometimes things like you said, they don't even if you
read it over and over, good it doesn't like get
it doesn't really enter your good under your skin, or
really enter into your heart until certain things spark without you.
It's like anarchism. I kept reading about anarchism and I
just couldn't get it, and then one day it just
it made sense. A lot of it is programming. We
are slaves to the programming of our culture, our religion,
our parents, our ancestors. So even if it's so obvious
that you know, the government is a complete construct of
our head and a complete terrorist organization, it was very
hard for me because I'd been programmed about democracy and
paying your taxes and all that other bullshit. And it's
the same same with gnosticism. I was still there was
still some Catholic programming and all that. But Philip K.
Dick really brought it home because he couched it in
such ingenuously, very ingenious how he couched it in modern
times and sort of a fantasy science fiction social philosophical
arena and it just went poof. It just made sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the latest Kevin Spacey debacle with what's
his face? It's the other guy, the commentary guy, the
the famous guy I got. Anyways, they did like this
thing on Twitter. I forget that. Oh yeah, this guy's
name Kevin Spacey and.
Speaker 4: No the guy there, Yeah they used to be on Fox. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to remember his name too, So Kevin Spacey.
Oh it's gonna kill me now that Twitter. This is
how disconnected I am from like the mainstream media. But
obviously you see these people over and over again. Anyways,
people know what I'm talking about. The whole weird talk
that they did, you know, a week ago whatever it was.
And one thing that he said in that that stood
out to me because it's how you're saying about the
presentation of this occult knowledge. And this is why I
always tell people you have to read Genuflect, Like once
reading Genuflecked will change your life. Like when I read
that book and I'm friends with SB and he was
really close with Tracy, It's like, I'm like, how does
somebody stumble across something like that? And I've always won, Miguel.
How certain people, even within the community, they're able to
come up with certain ideas, and you know, sorry to
break it to people, but there are some of your
heroes are in touch with altraterrestrials to a certain extent,
Like a Philip K. Dick, right, he was in touch
with what do he called? I forgot what he called.
It had a name that he called it.
Speaker 4: The zebra valas Sophia. Yeah, I don't get to, uh again,
worry about that. I just call it the other. Whether
it's coming from within or without, it's this other that
makes contact with you.
Speaker 3: But how do you think that? Because I make the
mistake to think that everyone's that likes this sort of stuff.
But it's like, how do people who don't have any
clue of what the ocul or so any esoteric concept,
how do they live their life? How do they? You
know what I mean? Like, how do people go? How
did they do?
Speaker 4: They?
Speaker 3: Just ignorance is bliss?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like the guy in the
Matrix cipher. I know this steak isn't real, but it
tastes so good. I just want to go back to
my safe life. Nine to five eat some steak, get
a girlfriend, don't ask questions, be part of the herd.
It's going to be safe. The government will take care
of you, and while I live your life and then
lights out, and that's the best you'll do. I think
that's the most of humanity's.
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Speaker 4: Kind of tempting, I mean it is kind of tempting
because the mystic road or the red Pill road is
pretty brutal. You're gonna turn your back on everything you knew.
The deprogramming is painful, but God, that feeling of ecstasy
and the truth and feeling of elevating yourself to other
realms and seeing the reality for what it is and
finding your purpose and how you might help wake up others.
That's amazing, but it's a tough road.
Speaker 3: Do you regret like studying this sort of stuff ever?
Do you ever think about that?
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, I've made a huge price. I mean, God,
my life was turned upside down once I got into gnosticism.
But no, no, I mean, if there's any regrets, I'd
say I wish I'd focus more on the experience, on
the ecstatic altered states of mind, and a little bit
less on the intellectual process, because I think that's what
the Gnostics were doing. Again, they were Shaman's. It's like, yeah,
it's okay to study and research, and of course, as
you mentioned, you can read a book or watch a
good movie or something, and your consciousness will change. I
mean you can feel reality shifting and you close the
book and you realize I will never be the same
or I'll never look at the sky the same. Something
has changed in me forever and I'm on a different path,
which is great. But once you get into those rituals,
it's even better because then it really breaks down your
ego and it gets you into higher realms of experience
and you find it easier to find your mission and
to really deal with the world.
Speaker 3: And is this using the aid of psychedelics or.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the rub. The Gnostics were never a one
size fit all, and it's frustrating people walk away because
I'm like, you know, whatever rocks your boat, Like Jung said,
your salvation is your salvation. What do you want to BuzzFeed?
Liistical like other religions, give you do this, do this,
You'll go to heaven. Gnostics were split into all these lodges,
and they all had different ways because they all had
offered different experiences. Some did yeah, some probably did in theogens.
Other did, as you said, vowel magic or vowel rituals
where you kind of go into an altered state of mind.
Others with some sort of weird baptism. Others was meditation
and contemplation. Other was sex magic. So it just varied,
and it has varied throughout history, because that's the hardest
thing you'll do is somebody telling you, you know, figure
your shit out what works for you. What works for
you might not work for me. Maybe you like alchemy,
maybe I like ritual magic. Maybe I'd just like to
sit outside by a lake and look at nature and
that'll get me a mystical experience. So that's what I
always tell people. Find what works for you and keep
doing it. But the goal is no sis, that altered
state and that direct experience with the divine, plus a
breaking down of your false reality of your program EO,
because most of what we are frauds. We're just programmed.
We're really not real in any shapeway or form or
lasting way. Yeah, we're one time miracles. There's one Juan,
one Miguel in this universe, and those are amazing miracles
that will never happen again. But the big prize is
that high your self, that high your mind.
Speaker 3: Where are you from, Miguel? Are you Hispanic?
Speaker 4: No, I'm Portugal. I was born in Portugal, so I'm
Portuguese American dual citizenship. But I did live in Mexico
for a long time in pu Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my my wife's Brazilian, so I'm familiar with the No.
I've heard you kind of speak Spanish sometimes, but I
wasn't really sure whether you were Hispanic or not. But
I mean Portugal, that's would that be a Spain, right,
I Mean that's kind of Spanish too.
Speaker 4: No, Portuguese. The Brazilian's got Portuguese from the Portuguese. Yeah yeah,
used to be a Portuguese colony.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. Because it's kind of like the the phonetics
is kind of I can understand Brazilian or Portuguese, but
I can't speak it all that well, right, So it's
kind of like phonetically it's it's it's still there, so
you can see that.
Speaker 4: But it's a romantic language. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this vowel magic, I love that. I never I
have to look that up. But this idea, that's it's
a scary experience, right once you start to question your
own and that can drive This is why it's not
for everyone either, because to use a when you peer
into the abyss, the abys starts to peer back into.
You have like this Nietzschean aspect of it. And then
you have some people who will argue against, like you know,
the the use of magic, whether that be ceremonial or otherwise.
And it's like you have guys, right, the one that
everyone knows Crowley, where in my opinion, these guys maybe
Crowley drove people around him insane because he was probably
dumping it off on them. But a lot of these
guys went in saying like, look at young right at
the end of his life, he was well worshiping a Braxist.
Is that is that what it was?
Speaker 4: No? No, no, he didn't go. He forced himself to
go insane for his Red Book experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And in fact, the I mean and all this supernatural
stuff was happening in his house while he was going inward,
like people would hear doorbells and things moving. It was.
It was attested by his family, and he even had
a gun. He said, if I go insane, if this
is too much, I'm just gonna I'm gonna end it.
But he came back. And that's the whole point, the
whole idea of the Mystery religion and the Gnostic rituals
is you go to the underworld and you go deep.
The underworld represents your unconscious, that place that has I mean,
the ancients described as a place full of demons and
dark gods, but you could say it's a place that
has your trauma that needs to be healed, and your
shadow and the things that you haven't resolved, and the
missions that you knew so well as a child and
you've repressed them and now they're calling to you. You
have to go face them. And then in these rituals
you go into the underworld and the Naga Mighty Library
has them another and then suddenly you go into the underworld,
you get these powers, you defeat these dark gods, and
then you go into these astral flights through star portals.
And again this could just mean you're higher mind take
it forever any way you want, mystical, psychological, it doesn't
matter because he experience is the same. I mean, that's
that's what Jordan Peterson said, right, Why does the dragon
guard the treasure because that's the last place we want
to go, But that's a place we have to go.
We have to go confront the dragon in the in
the cave because that's where the treasure is, that's where
our true selves is, are our destiny everything. So yeah,
it is scary, and there's always a risk you might
have not made it. Philip K. Dick might have not
survived his balance experience. I mean, you know, there's no
there's no guarantees in this universe. You just don't know.
But again, what do you want to do? Be like
Cipher and eat your steak and live in the matrix
I mean, fine, if that's what rock, you know, the
world isn't going to get too bothered by your decision.
That's what I realized. There's there's a huge battle and
a whole cosmic fit and all that, and you want
to join join If not, you know, enjoy enjoy being
in an NPC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm what you call an armchair. Hold Miguel, I
read about all this stuff, but I haven't really tried
anything for myself any better.
Speaker 4: The even meditation, Just try meditation, start with that, or prayer,
you know, vowel or do that. Well, don't do the
Hesi gaya the Jesus prayer. Stay away from that one.
Speaker 3: Which one. Let me write it down so I can
so I know what's with prayer.
Speaker 4: It's called the it's it's called the Yeah, the Jesus
Prayer in Greek Orthodoxy. It's probably the most powerful way
to have a mystical experience. But you need to do
it with a priest. You need to do it with
the nord because if you do it by yourself, it's
just one sentence you say over and over again, Lord
Jesus Christ, and you do it with the beats of
your heart. A special way man, you will see God soon.
But if you do it, if you don't do it,
if you don't do it with a priest, it will
it will destroy your sanity. So just meditation starts slowly,
fifteen minutes a day, build on a and then something
will tell you maybe I need to try and theogens.
Maybe I need to do go to church, maybe I
need to I don't know. Whatever.
Speaker 3: You can, Yeah, I've done the censory deprivation. I mean
that's that's oh wow, pretty trippy. But it's like how
you're saying, right, this darkness because there's a lot of
darkness right, being human, right, there's a lot of intrusive
thoughts which goes through everyone's heads. And I don't know
if it's human nature where you're driving down the road, Hey,
what would happen if I veer into the other oncoming?
Like what is that is? Are those the arkons that
are trying to get a hold of us and write
make us?
Speaker 4: That's that's why the gnostics over and the hermetic tracks.
It always says Hermes or Jesus, they're like, still yourself,
just quiet, just sit there, and it's a practice so
you can start listening and you can understand what are
the good voices? What are the bad voice? And even
the bad voices have good things they have Yes, your arcons.
The dragon has the treasure, it has the gifts that
that could help you. So that's why you have to
I mean, somebody once asked me what's enlightened, and I said,
it's just learning to listen. Nobody knows how to listen.
Nature is talking to us. Our bodies are talking to us,
Our wives are talking to us, and we know we're
not listening to them. I mean, but if we learn
to listen, that's because I realized women have a completely
different language, but they do have an amazing language. We
just don't know how to manute. It's it's hard to
explain left animals. But once we just sit there and
breathe and just listen, then suddenly it's easy. It becomes
effortless to know what's real, what's not? What does your
body want? What does nature want? What do your ancestors want?
What does God want? But that's the key, that's why
it's so important. And as it's like the Buddhists were
like to shut up and breathe, just calm down and
just and it's very hard for us to do today.
But now I mean if I when I do my
meditations exercise, I'm like, oh, this is a part of
me I really like because all I do is listen.
That's all I do, and that's where the gold is.
Speaker 3: I have difficulty with that, the quieting, right, And I
think that is part of how how you're saying that
that hard programming, especially nowadays where we know fears are
passed down genetically. We know this is encoded in the DNA.
So being able to break out of that, maybe maybe
that was right. That was the nosis of being able
to quiet the mind. And instead of laying in the
sensory deprivation tank for two hours and thinking about that
email or that phone, I think I hear my phone vibrating,
and that was that was the one for me. It's like, damn,
I think somebody's calling me. I hear my phone vibrating.
I did get it. I wouldn't even have not one text.
And it's like, well, you know, worst, I don't know
about you, but I sometime I hear my phone. Dude,
Like I'll hear my phone or I'll feed it in
my have to stop when I'm doing a feel and
it's like we're connected all the time. What's the most
profound experience you've had, like the divine experience through meditation?
Because I know that I forget what it's called, but
even the Rosicrucians and their idea of the Gospel of
John and repeating it over and over again to enter
the text, I forgot what it's got an official name,
but essentially to enter the text and interact with whatever's
on the other side. And I've even seen even the
Rothchild's right, right, the Rothchild's the Illuminati or the lizard
people whoever that they rule the world. I don't know
if you've ever seen the Rothchild's Canticles, which is this.
I think it's a red book actually at Yale because
Yale has all the cool shit at it, And it's
about these plates where you would meditate on the plates
to interact with the Godhead, with Divinity, with whatever it was.
And it's got like some weird butthole looking Jesus I'll
show here in a second. But what's the most profound
owned experience you've had as far as like mystical, you know,
in your meditation. Let me let the cat out, Yeah,
pull this up. Here real quick so you can see it.
So it is a red book. Of course I've showed
this before to people. But these are plates and you're
supposed to meditate upon these plates their mandels essentially, right,
And they're in the collection of the roth Child's and
they have a whole bunch of other books too, by
the way. But the more interesting aspect of this book
and the reason why it's weird is because of this here.
So you have this weird almost cthulhu esque, and what
it's showing is, you know what people explain it to me,
These are rays of light, but they were trying to
depict and trying to show the the that looks like
those are octopus tend of I mean those are tentacles.
Those look like tentacles to me. And they were trying
to essentially depict the Trinity, because that's one of the
more I remember as a kid struggling with what the
hell is the Trinity? My grandma trying to explain it
to me. It's like, well, he is God, but he's
also Jesus, but he's also the Holy Spirit. It's like
what imagine imagine a twelve year old kid trying to
grasp I don't know how your kids are a guy,
but I have a one and a half year old
and a five year old, and when he's twelve years old,
I don't know how I'm gonna be able to explain
to him the Trinity. But look, this is so it's
one of the more profound experiences that you've had. Because
I really like what you're saying, I'm going to try
it out. I'm like, oh, this is this is a
new year, right. I set the goal of also reading
the Bible more this year because it's an interesting book, right,
and I haven't read Revelation since, like since I was
like thirteen or something like that, twelve years old. So
I'm gonna start reading the Bible more and right, not
taking it everything all at face value, but trying to
extract nosis from That's the whole idea of no sch
whatever sacred to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, whatever rocks your boat and whatever calls you.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us about what your more profound experiences
are by doing meditation.
Speaker 4: I've had a few with meditation, different but the most
intense ones I've always been with ayahuasca. And again that's
the other thing I always advise, just like the ancient
ostics and hermeticis. Have a good hero fan, have a
good shaman or priest or don't go at it alone
because you're just you're just falling right into the arc
on your programmed mind is going to find a way
to sabotage you. Usually usually so have somebody that will
guide you into the underworld or through the doorways of
perception or whatever you want to call you. But I
had My uncle was ahead of Santu daim which is
a Brazilian mystical order Christian that uses ayahuasca, and I
have had the most intense experiences out of body traveling
across the spheres. My first time or third time, that's
when I met Abraxas, which was this giant void that
covered the entire universe, and it was the scariest thing
I've ever seen because it was moving, it was breathing,
it was staring right at me, and it was terrifying.
And then last summer had one where I just I
left the world and the whole world was disillusion and
I realized this whole universe. Yeah, it goes back to
Terrence McKennon and his lecture he talks about the universe
is an apparatus to trap the logo, and in my vision,
the entire universe was this digital machine that was here
to trap Jesus and trap them at the center. And
it was amazing then. And then I had another one
where I just started going through time. I always lost
for like a hundred years, and I experienced one hundred
years and somehow came back, you know, in twenty minutes.
It passed during the ceremony because you're dancing and doing
all this singing in Portuguese and doing all these hymns.
But you know, once ayahuasca hits you, you're just you're gone.
You're gone somewhere else. So but again that's for me.
It's each to each his own. Some people do ayahuasca
and they're like, I'd rather do something else, mushrooms. Other
people don't want to do intheegents, so I'd say test
the waters. But again, think of an altered state of mind.
Could be prayer, meditation, could be it doesn't matter what
it is. Could be creating. Some people when they do art,
they just go they're conscious, this completely changes and then
go into an altered state of mind. It could be
orange right, yeah, low, perfect example of visionary art. So
it's up to you. You're unique, you have a mission.
You don't need anybody else to give you. One size
fit all join the pack. But that's the hardest thing
you'll ever do, because who wants to make their own decisions, right,
That's not how humans are. We're pack animals. We want
to play it safe and not be attacked by wolves
if we're all together and a herd, all doing the
same shit.
Speaker 3: That's the one thing about aahuasca I've never liked the
I'm okay with I'd rather shit my pants, but I
hate throwing up, right, So the purging is the one
thing that because I've heard some trippy, trippy stories of
people in ayahuasca and right the benefits of it, but
also it's like the some people don't even purge at all.
But it's like to me, I don't know, man. I
threw up the first time the other day, for like
the first time in like eighteen years, and my wife
had never heard me throw up. I mean, I had
never seen me throw up. And she's like, yeah, that's
how you know it was bad because you're throwing up.
Because I'd rather shoot myself in the big toe than
throw up. So it's like, but again, I've already tried
the I've tried the mushrooms one time. It was a
really bad trip, and I haven't tried it alone. I
was alone, and it was at the peak of COVID.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there you go, there you go. Yeah, yeah,
we were egocentric creatures.
Speaker 3: I said I could. I was like, hey, you know,
I could do it. It's a low dose. And I grew.
I grew my own mushrooms like I grew them myself.
It was again, it was a mystical experience for me.
It was very like, oh, this is something that I
took all these weeks to nurture and take care of
and watch it, you know, from essentially a bag of
seeds to this thing. And it was again it was
an all chemical process. So the whole thing was spiritual
and away from you. But then as soon as I
got in there, they they kicked me around and they.
Speaker 4: Really purging is good. That's the whole point of the
mystery religion of the voyage. You have to your your
you have to die, as they say, simple, you go
to the underworld and you die.
Speaker 3: It's like I think it was at the Knight's Templar
that had the the ritual where they were I think
drown you or put you out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know who did. There's so many secrets
Asiety and then some Freemason ones or I forget which
one was Freemasons or martin As. Yeah, they put you
in a gray first before you're initiated. And it makes
perfect sense because that's that's the whole deal. I mean,
the Gnostics always said you you don't get You don't
resurrect in the next life. You resurrect in this life.
You die like Jesus in this life, and you rise,
So it's a new creature is born. That's a whole
alchemical process. You break it down, you get a Yeah,
you get a pure substance and a new being rises
from it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've heard alchemy be put that way too.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: The the the animating of of matter essentially is what
it is right in Adam and matter, you know, stuff
that's not and giving it life in some sort of way.
And obviously I've done the I have to send you
one Miguel the Mounculous Owner's Manual and learn Learn a
Team Your Monkeys thirty thirty three pages full of monculous goodness.
So I don't know if you've got a po box
or not. I'll send you one, Miguel, but I've done.
It's like a chick track. Yeah, yeah, it's like a
little chick track.
Speaker 4: And I love those, the Cthulhu ones, and I used
to collect chick tracks. He's a brilliant writer. Yeah, I
love those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, essentially, that's what it is done by paranoid American.
And alchemy is such an interdme topic. And the Gnostics
were you know, they were alchemists. There's Panopolis and and
I think I think he had tobias on not too
long ago, and he talked about zozimos and obviously Young
was he loved alchemy as well. So, but the idea
of interacting with something outside of yourself, that that that
it and I've heard it put that the dark self
reveals all those all the secrets of the universe too.
You once you're able to talk to it, but some
people don't come back. And you mentioned you said earlier
that he didn't go and so he drove himself purposely insane.
Is that what you said about Young?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he wanted to have a psychic the breakdown,
which meant yeah, just break everything. And he wanted to
go inside, into his soul, into his within, into his
personal unconscious, and come back with the images and symbols
and other gifts. And that's what he did, and he
came back with Youngian psychology. That was the gift he
came to the world, and that was his idea. He
wanted to teach people. Everybody has a soul. Everybody has
this unconscious that has that has most of what we are.
Our ego is just like the tip of the iceberg,
but who we really are goes deep and this part
of us is a place of symbols and archetypal images
and myths and this stuff that is nonlinear language and time.
But that's how we become individuated or divine or whatever
you want to call it. So that was Yung's purpose
and that's what he accomplished. And again this goes back
to the mystery religions, the gnostics, the alchemists. You go
deep into the underworld, you find the dragon, you get
the treasure, and you come up a new creature.
Speaker 3: And the concept Philip kid I think it was Philip K. Dick,
either that or turns my kind of one of the two,
where they talk about how right reality is a machine,
like reality itself is a sort of of computer, if
you will, and it tries it injects the viruses as
these messiah figures. So essentially he was getting as that
all these messiah figures that we see throughout history was
of the system trying to save itself by injecting them
into this reality. But obviously we know what happens to
these figures that right Jesus was obviously crucified, and there's
a whole bunch of different speculation behind that, but the
idea that it is constantly trying to save you, it's
like the story of the guy where it's like, you
know he's drowning. You know, it's like a boat comes
by and know you know, God will save me, got
will save me? Another one comes by or whatever it was,
and when he gets up, things like what you you
didn't seems like bro I sent you helped twice, you know,
like you just chose to ignore. But it gets into
that concept of what you were saying, like learning to
heart the voice of God right but being able to
distinguish it. And Philip K. Dick talks about how when
he was I think it was after he finished Divine Invasion.
The voice stopped talking to him for a while, but
he said that it would only happen to him when
he was just waking up from you know, sleep in
this hypnagogic he called it a hypnopompic state. So he
was in this very He's like you had to listen,
and once you were able to live, it was very faint,
but you were able to hear it. And it's like,
are those the early stages of schizophrenias, like or schizophrenics
onto something or like I know schizophrenics And they don't really,
I don't. They don't. They're not extracting any information that
they didn't otherwise know. It's like from their memories that
these entities are showing them whatever is that they're showing them.
So and we've always been taught like, oh, well, schizophrenic,
they don't. They don't think correctly, right, They're they're just crazy.
It's like, are they or are they tapping into something?
Right there? Their brains are wired differently, were how they're
how you were saying, they're able to decipher and here
maybe more than one voice and how you're saying. The
bad ones sometimes have good advice. They have good things
to offer for us to use here, and that's like
quantum computing. I don't know if you've ever seen the
whole Georgie Geordie Rose, guy from the the D Wave,
and I know right now aliens are a topic. I
want to get your your thoughts on the whole extraterrestrial
UFO disclosure type of thing that's going on. What are
your thoughts on that? Do you think you have some
people who think space is faking gay, aliens are faking gay.
It's all fake and gay. None of it matters. What
are your thoughts on this whole disclosure and that's going
on right now heavily in the governmental speares of things.
Speaker 4: Well, obviously it's the government. I don't I know something's
off and I know I can't believe them. So they
say about NASA, never a straight answer. It's their fault.
People think space is fake and gay because they keep
contradicting themselves in line. I mean, maybe it is real,
but they've done a terrible job. It's like science. They
just either they're inept or they just bought into their
own bullshit. But so I don't bite it. It's like
the old saying never believe anything until the government has
officially denied it. This is the opposite, so believes. But yeah,
I don't know what they're doing. Obviously the government's hiding something.
Obviously they're trying to attempt some sort of control. Obviously
there is other I call it the other. We don't
really know what it is. Again, I'm more into the
John Kill interdimensional ultra dimensional beings that come through. So
I don't know if the government has any sort of
alien technology or anything like that. They probably do, but
I'm pretty agnostic right now. There's so many different if
you go into the eufology thing, there's so many competing
ideas it's hard to tell. But that's a problem too today,
is that we live in such a either or world.
When I see an argument, and it can be any argument,
I simply go, Okay, this is the best argument. I like,
this is the second best. But just because this is
the best argument, it doesn't invalidate the second best, or
the third or the fourth. That's not how the mind
should work. We live in a world was like, it's
got to be this, and I'm just gonna throw everything
out that no, no, no, eat those ideas and as
I gather data, some ideas might take over because and
then we'll see again we don't know what's going to
be the truth. It's very hard. I mean, as my
friend said, who's a scholar. You don't prove history, you
demonstrate history. The only way to prove histories to get
into a time machine and be there. So until there,
we're trying to demonstrate these things and what happened, and
trying to find the best arguments for things. But again,
the second best argument does not mean it's invalid. You know,
if I think, I mean, I think Atlantis was real,
but that does not invalidate Tartaria. It just means this
for me works, this does not work. But I'm keeping
this in my sights until more research comes through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I also believe that people try to interpret
things the way that that best fits for them. Right
how you're saying one size doesn't fit all. So therefore
come up with your own cosmology, which is fine too,
except what happens when you start to believe that reality
and like that cosmology one hundred percent, Like we got
into phenomena. I forgot what was listening to where it
was like a phenomenology where it's really you, like your
experience is real to you. You have faith and you
have science. It's like it's okay to have faith, you know,
But what's the difference between science. Well, science has a
process to be able to prove it and disprove it.
It's like, well, faith because faith is a powerful thing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: We're talking about something that can quite literally have right
the placebo effect. It can quite literally change somebody's biology.
Like you know that there is spontaneous healing. Again, I've
seen it myself, so there's something to be said there.
It's like, well, is that consciousness? Is that your mind?
Is that you having power over this reality? I mind?
They always tell us mind over matter, but they don't really.
I think mental health is one of those things that
just gets like talk to the to the side when
it comes to a lot of a lot of people.
I don't talk about my mental health. I don't really
do anything other than you know, I'm going to try
more meditation and more relaxation. I guess that's really all
you can do, right if you have the means to.
But yeah, mental health gets thrown out the window in
this society, especially being a man. How you were saying
we can't tune into like the women, you know what
they're saying, because it's something different about it. But it's
like we have our own way of going about things, right.
So yeah, and I think this reality is a lot
The truth is stranger than fiction, is how they say, Right,
do you believe in alien Do you think there is
something out there? Or you don't? You don't buy it
at all? Do you think that they're more interdimensional? You
know ultra truck his keel was altraterrestrials, isn't he right?
Speaker 4: Right? We don't. It's again I call it the other
like Whitley Strieber does. I mean Whitley Streeber has experiences,
but he never said there were aliens. There was something
coming through from the veil of reality or the veil
of the reality that we've been allowed to see, and
it's something that our little monkey brains cannot truly comprehend
and will project images whether it's angels or aliens or
fairies or anything like that, but we truly don't know.
I mean again, the power of the mind will create
the reality around us, like Cipher and the matrix, like
that story when that famous story when the natives were
here and the Spanish came in their boats in the distance.
They couldn't see the boats because they'd never seen it before,
so all they saw was ocean until the Spanish actually
landed on the beach. Because if you've never seen something
and it's that alien or advance, your mind will shut
it off. I mean we see it all the time.
You ever walk your dog or something. Your dog doesn't
know what the car is. It doesn't care, it doesn't
the car doesn't exist until it hits the dog right
or it wants to chase it. It just blocks it
out out of his perception reality. We humans are the same.
We need shelter, we need food, and we need sex,
and we will block out so much the spiritual world,
the noetic world. So I try again, like you said,
just sit still and try to experience this otherness and
go from there and then have fun and theories on
the internet and talk shit and argue with people about
what they are. But at the end of the day,
I know my limitations. As Miguel the monkey self.
Speaker 3: And he says here he abandoned the altraterrestrial idea in
nineteen sixty something. Here, let's see here, Yeah, something sixty
seven or something. But yeah, I never thought about it
like that where they're quite literally right, this is that
ontological shock? Is that what they call it? Where it
shifts your paradigm? It's like, but how you're saying it
makes so much sense? Where how do you even know
what you're looking at? If you're lucky?
Speaker 4: Did you know that the color blue didn't exist in
ancient times? We had to discover it.
Speaker 3: Is that pink or blue?
Speaker 4: No, it was blue. Homer like talks about the wine
colored sea and the wine colored sky. You go to
Japanese and all these cultures, there was no blue. We
literally had to discover the color blue. So what else
do you think we're not seeing?
Speaker 3: Wow? But studies of ancient texts have shown that humans
didn't really see blue until modern times. I could have
showed her something about pink. Pink is not real. It's
not a color it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So if color are simply named for a wavelength, pink
is not one because it's made up of more than
a one wavelength. So it's actually a mix of red
and purple light. Yeah, I think this is what right?
So blue is an interesting color you have the hans
I think Hans purple, which I think they were using
as some sort of because that color escapes this dimension.
It escapes the dimension when it's cool to a certain temperature.
So the ancients were on to some next level stuff
that we can't even create today. You know, you're talking
about a pigment from two thousand in three thousand years ago.
They can't even recreate in a modern lab today. It's
like they were onto something. But yeah, that's that's I
never under I never looked at it that way, And yeah,
you can apply that to a lot of things. Right
If if you're never if there's no word for it,
how do you know what it is? Right?
Speaker 4: It's like see what we want to see. We're programmed
to see what we should see exactly?
Speaker 3: Is it Westworld that people only believe the reality of their
presented or was that Truman show?
Speaker 4: Truman Show? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you seen the new season of West World?
Is it any good?
Speaker 4: No? First season is the one that after that big
drop off?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Miguel, when are you finishing your book on Elvis?
When is that coming out?
Speaker 4: Pretty much finished? Waiting for the publisher to start putting
things together or cover all that. I'm sure there'll be
a whole bunch of edits, but fingers crossed it will
be out end of this year early next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you've done a lot of work on
the elvis being a mystic. I mean, I didn't know
any of that stuff until I started listening to you.
Are you doing it through inner traditions or something, or
you self publishing it or inner traditions?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Nice, nice, Well that's awesome, Miguel. You want to plug
anything else before we get out of here. Let the
people know where they can find your show, where they
can listen to you have a whole bunch of that.
But you've been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 4: No, no, yes, a very long time. Didn't go full
time until two thousand and late twenty eighteen. I think
that's when I officially went full time instead of just
periodically throwing stuff out. But it seems like a long time.
But having fun learning you go to the God above
God or do a bignostic radio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome. Well, appreciate your time, Miguel. Thank you for
all you do, and thank you for again. Your show
was at the core of what Juana Juana is, especially
on its early days, and I'll be honest with you, macgaut.
First I hated your intros. I hated them, but because
they I wasn't there yet, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I wasn't there to really know what you were even saying.
And then I got to a point I was like
these intros fucking slap like this is like this, and
now my favorite part of the show is the intro sometimes,
you know, like like I want the intro because you're
just spitting so many things and putting and cut. How
do you, by the way, how do you do that?
Because it seems like do you have a database of
clips that you know what they said? Because I'm always like,
how the hell does he get so many different clips?
Speaker 4: Just comes to me, Yeah, I have like a folder,
but it just kind of comes to me. God has
no idea, no idea, It just kind of came together. Again,
I don't ask too many questions.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean as as your wife would know it,
they say in Brazil forsa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Thank you so much for coming on and again,
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