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somebody who helped inspire my show and I found him

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I think four years ago through Lawrence Karwana, which he

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was one of my first one of my first interviews.

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But welcome to the show for the first time ago.

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Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for having me on, Miguel.

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Speaker 3: For those that don't know where can they find you?

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What's your show on by radio? All that good stuff?

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Let them know, HM.

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Speaker 4: I think the best place would be the God Above

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Good dot com or type in on your search bar

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bar a on byte a e O N then b

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y te and it should come up. And my website

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has all the goodies, the podcast, social media videos courses.

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Just release a gnostic taro which hasn't been done before.

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Very excited work with Matt at Altrucian Grace Media to

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get this going. And yeah, everything should be there.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. So I'll put the links in the description

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Miguel for those that don't know about you. Like I said,

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I learned about you through Lawrence on his presentation on Gnosticism,

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which Nacissism for me was the gateway, I guess, to

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the rest of it all. When you start to realize, like, hey,

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there's I was. You know, a lot of people don't know,

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but I was born and raised Pentecostal Christian. And when

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I started to read the Nagamadi Dead Sea Squirrels, I'm like,

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wait a minute, there's the complete opposite of what I've

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been taught my entire life. There's the opposite of that.

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And then you're you got family members telling you I'll

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stay away from that. Don't even don't even utter you're

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you're it's blasphemous, it's heretical. And I felt dirty, like

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I felt like this uncleanliness as I was doing this research.

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But then you start to really accept things and it's like, okay, well,

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I can look at this from a healthy perspective with

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having my boundaries right, Because a lot of the times

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you talk about things and people assume you have a

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lot of different guests. People assume that that's what you

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believe one hundred percent. It's like, no, I'm I'm I'm curious.

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I want to learn, and how can you learn without

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seeing other perspectives even if you don't agree with them

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hundred percent? But nacissism did that for me. How'd you

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get started in this whole journey? I guess gnarcissism and

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yesoteric and everything else.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I've always been on that journey. I was always

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the kid that just didn't fit, felt like was born

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in the wrong world. As you know, as a kid,

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I used to dream, well, maybe if I'd been born

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in the medieval times or the Roman times. Yeah, I

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do think about the Roman Empire every day, but that's

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because I do gnosticism. Choice. Yeah, right, So I was

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always thinking. Playing a lot of dungeons and dragons, reading

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a lot of science fiction just never really fit. It's

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like it's that like Morpheus in the Matrix. You know,

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there's something wrong with the world and it's driving you

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met like a splinter in your mind. So I was

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always an outcast and a searcher, and it got me

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interested in different philosophies religions. Unfortunately got me into a

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lot of wrong places, like drugs and the wrong crowd, crime,

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all that other stuff. So it's been a as I

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call it, a spiritual hiking. I always considered myself Roman Catholic,

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but my mom was always part of the ecumenical spirit

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of Catholicism, so it was always driven in my head

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visit their temples and churches, read their works. My mom

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was myths, don't take it literally, so she kind of

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put it in my head about symbolism and allegory. So

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going to just trying different things. But gnosticism was what

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everybody's different, and I admit that all systems have flaws.

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to just sometimes embrace the ambiguity or experience the mystery

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of life. But gnoscissism, for me is open more the

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channels of communication within me and I rationally satisfied how

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's what it did for me as

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well when And what I love about narcissism is that

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it teaches you, like the origins right of reality itself,

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which to me, I believe that the believed it was

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consciousness right, the father thinking, and then you know a

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thought of itself thinking, and then you know the Cristos,

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the child and all that stuff. And there's right, nothing

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is perfect. There's only like forty five thousand different denominations

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of Christianity. I'm sure that they can right, they all

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have it together. And that's always baffled me. Where how

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you how many meanings you can extract from one core

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set of beliefs like one thing, and you have people

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who will argue up and down that right, the elites

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don't use symbolism for nefarious purposes, which, okay, you can

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make that argument, but there's a reason why these symbols exist,

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and there's a reason why they've been used throughout thousands

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of years, including these groups, right, like the Underground which

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were the Gnostics, right, they the Ora Boros and all

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these different things. So it's like there's this, It's always.

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things are the way they are, Why these symbols exist,

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why these beliefs exist, like the paranormal. I don't know

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about ya. I'll be driving sometime, like yo, I was

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thinking to yesterday, to d or whatever it was. I

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was driving back home and I'm like, if Bigfoot was real, right,

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we have more cameras on the Earth right now than

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we ever have had since the beginning of time. It's like,

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don't you think we would get a good clear picture

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of a Bigfoot or something? Like the best we got

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is the Patterson Gimlin footage like that, that's what the

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best we got, right, But some people still believe in

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the interdimensionalism of it. The There was this this lecture

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that I was listening to by Terence McKenna and I

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think it was called the The Gnostic Astronaut or something

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like that, and he's talking about in it, he talks

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about Philip K. Dick and how how I guess spacey.

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of the planetary spheres, the celestial bodies, and every single

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celestial orbit being a different dimension and a different dem

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like the archons. It's very celestial, right, like spacey. I

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know some people think space is fake and gay, but

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I've come to understand space as a different not what

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they've taught us, because I've a lot of things right.

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this re emerging pattern over and over again that it

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seems like that the people who are onto something right,

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one of them being the Gnostics, they're usually wiped out right.

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gnosis that goes against the mainstream, that is not what

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is culturally accepted. And I mean the Gnostics were just

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that they were definitely preaching stuff that was out of

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the norm. And even between then, there was more than

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fifty sects of gnosticism. I mean gnosticism for those that

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of a blanket term for a large group of people,

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and they all had their own beliefs and do you

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fired or casting shade on each other, like texts like

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The Testimonial Truth or The Apocalypse of Peter and they

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others calling out the Valentinians facilities. Yeah. Yeah, they had

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no problem talking shit about each other. It's what she

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everybody had to write to do what they wanted to do,

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and challenging each other's ideas. Again, they were non violent,

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so it's not like it ever led to anything.

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Speaker 4: Probably the Sethians, I think, as many scholars said, they're

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probably the more original Gnostics, and they were really, i

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of it. And I believe that when once they achieved

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how you were able to write, it was just this

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divine knowledge that you stumbled across. And I think that

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the reason that we don't know about the gnosis is

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I forgot who the hell said it? Where it's like

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you fizz a lot of reality that you learn who

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to exist, like you step outside of space and time

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and become this overser of reality. And I think about

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that when I'm conducting research all the time, Like I'm like,

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is this next sentence gonna be the one? Because sometimes

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you read one sentence and you connect a whole bunch

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of dots that you wouldn't have otherwise connected, Right, And

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gnostissism did that for me. It filled in those holes

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in the mainstream that I grew up. And there's a

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reason why my grandma, right, she would be so pissed

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if she heard the show, But she told me, like, hey,

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stay away from the Book of Enochs. Some family members

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even told me stay away from the Old Testament. They're like, yeah,

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you know what, just chuck that whole thing out. It's like,

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what do you mean, Like that's the canon, isn't it.

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what's what you want me? You're essentially manipulating somebody's reality.

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Knackamodi and The Dead Seas Girls, like what I call

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interdimensional literature, where it resonates throughout reality itself, almost like

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the right the plasmate that that Philip K. Dick talks about,

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don't know if you ever find yourself. I'll listen to

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something and it's like, man, this is garbage for like

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the first three quarters of it, right, and you're almost

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about about Vallas and Philip K. Dick's philosophies, where it's

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like I never thought about it like that, how Philip K.

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the frozen Word of God was in those caves. And

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right these these scrolls and these old texts. I went

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to h I was in Atlanta this past weekend this

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past week for vacation Soon Mount in Georgia, and there

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they tell you this whole crazy story how they found it.

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It's like, I don't know if I buy that mainstream story.

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I don't. I don't know if I buy that discovery

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like how they say they discovered it right, And same

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thing with the with the Knakamadi and the Dead Sea squirls,

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like wholl they were throwing it in a fire and

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they were trying to It's like, I don't buy that.

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I think that maybe they had access to it and

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they were just like, hey, this is too because how

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long did it take like thirty years allegedly to translate it?

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Am I am? I correct on them my spreading freak news.

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longer than that, probably about seventy nine forty five to

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seventy nine, so they had to be gathered and put together.

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the two brothers who originally discovered a skeleton with fangs

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and long claws by it, and there's some other sensationalistic versions. Yeah,

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there's many versions.

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Speaker 3: Really, I wasn't aware of that. So they found like

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a vampire skeleton by the.

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But yeah, that was one of the versions they told

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James Robinson and some of the other teams.

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of were the Gnostics onto something right? This they were

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interacting with this word virus, right, This this what I

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call grammatical entities, where they formed once you interact with it,

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it's like the thing you don't know who has it,

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but like once you interact with it, you you're stuck

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with it for life. And this concept of they were

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at this border of the next evolutionary you know step.

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it's like, no, the alchemists they knew about this. They

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knew and that's why they were looking for the Philosopher's

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step into that next, which was the cause of the

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interaction with the logos. So what are the calls of

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the HOMOPLASMI is that what Philip k Did calls it?

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that area upper Egypt, Nagamati was was a place where

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a lot of the first and dustry. You're all chemical

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labs starting, So it was all going on around that area,

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this sort of strange mysticism which would eventually turn into

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gnosticism and meticism.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then obviously have the Platinist neoplatonism and all

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that good stuff, which again, and this is what people

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need to understand about this. These are the people who

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paved the way for work Catholicism and Christianity and all

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these other religions that we know and love today. I mean,

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this was the underground, This was the og And whenever

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I read these texts, I don't know about you, but

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I I mean, it could be fan fiction or it

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could be because I think about this too, is like,

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what's the difference between text that somebody wrote, you know,

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a thousand years ago versus something that like for example,

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Philip K. Dick, which some people consider him a sort

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of messionic figure, right, he was having these divine downloads.

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But it's like who gets to pick that of who

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has divine downloads?

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Speaker 4: And not? Right?

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Speaker 3: It's like, if you have something talking to you, Miguel,

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what discredits you over you know, insert your savior figure here?

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You know what I'm saying like, who gets to pick that?

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And I've never again, I've witnessed miracles in front of me,

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and I've seen things the supernatural of you will in

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the church because when the Holy Spirit is in the house,

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it's moving right. And again I'm not the practicing Christian,

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but i still do believe in God. I still do

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believe in a source. But it's like I've never understood

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people like, oh, God spoke to me. It's like, are

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you sure it just wasn't your internal dialogue talking to you.

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It's like, do you have any thoughts on that of

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how you can distinguish between like something other worldly talking

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to you or it's just like yourself. I mean I

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talk to myself internally all the time.

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Speaker 4: Well, what it would be the difference? I mean if

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we go even if we go now and we take

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it a step further, we go to Yung who was

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obviously foundation of his work was gnosticism. Whether it's your

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inner soul or from above, it's almost the same thing.

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I mean, that's a whole hermetic thing, an astic thing,

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as above, so below, as outside, so within. We are

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housed in the universe. The universe is housed within us.

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have to be shamanism. It was originally Egyptian, a continuation

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of the Egyptian mysteries, and therefore it really was a

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form of shamanism. So the key is always an altered

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state of mind? Did you go did you have an

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altered state of mind? Was your consciousness expanded? Did you

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have revelations that you didn't have before? And of course

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the other key too is did you have a lot

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of synchronicities? That always that that gives away the game

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when you start seeing synchronicities and you start seeing things

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that weren't there before. So these things are obviously you

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might say, they are valid and they are real in

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a very superno type of way.

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I mean I actually got this.

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Speaker 4: Are your dreams? Are your dreams real? Well, they are real,

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it's just a different type of reality. I don't know

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if you've.

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Speaker 3: Ever read this book before, but I started a neat

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podcasts today. I'm going to say today today is January third,

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twenty twenty four, six twenty four pm Eastern. Before anybody,

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I mean, I haven't found a podcast named this but

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Starry a new podcast to Rip It On Society. And

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I don't know if you've ever read this book before,

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the Three Myths of God's Devils and pieces by the

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rip It On Society, and it gets into it's like

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three separate and of course right speaking of synchronicities. These people,

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I don't know if they were trolling me or not,

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but they put the paper of like the stock of

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where it's at on page thirty three, which I thought

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was really interesting. So I'm like, these people know it's

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about alchemy and they put it on page thirty three

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to maybe mess around with me or not, but it's

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about here. It's a cycles of the Phoenix, the Bapha

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mento history and symbolism and the mad Gods sacraments. But

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apparently it's from ninety eight, I think at ninety seven,

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and it's the rip It On Society. It was like

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so the brand new I think it was almost like

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two hundred something bucks, but I got it for like

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forty bucks or something. But I'm going to be reading it.

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It's got to do with obviously Philip K. Dick. But yeah,

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the idea of so an altered state of consciousness because

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I don't. So there's you have the Carl Jung the

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shadow self right, looking within the whole Red Book aspect

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of it all that the alchemical aspect of speaking with yourself,

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and the thing with that of distinguishing between divinity and yourself.

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achieve godhood, right because at the core principle of a

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lot of these religions is the imitation of God. But

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that's almost heretical in a sense, right, imitation of God. Well,

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some people go, no, no, it's to be christ like,

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not to achieve and try to usurp God himself. It's like,

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now you have to live in a way where you're imitating, right,

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these core principles like the Tank commandments, you know, follow

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the ten commandments. At the core of the Tank commandments,

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don't be a piece of shit, be a good person,

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don't lust, don't or respect your family essentially is what

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it is. I mean, that's not hard to follow, but

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some people, obviously some people have a hard time doing that.

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But the idea of being a because that's at the

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core of narcissism. No, becoming a god like you are divine, right,

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you are you have the divine spark in you? Because ye,

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how the bay Off was it came from divinity, although

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he was the abortion essentially, but he did still have

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some divinity within him. Therefore you are divine. And again

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that's the that's the kicker, and narcissism is like, no,

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you weren't created by God. You're created by a lesser

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God and he created this reality to trap you in it.

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So we get this whole simulation concept. And again this

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is elementary, but for those that don't know, who are

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trying to follow along, yeah, that's the hard pill to

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swallow when it comes to nacisism. And I remember when

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I first learned about narcissism and really started diving deep

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into narcissism and I told people about it, They're like,

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oh you, so you worship Satan. Now it's like what

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they even say it, I'm just explaining to you a cosmology.

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But again it goes back to the beginning where I

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mentioned when you talk about certain things, people automatically believe

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that you that you, that's what you believe, that's what

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you you know accept And it's like, no, I want

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to learn the truth. But again, I think these people

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were onto, similarly to how they silence people today on

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YouTube and all on all these platforms, Like if you

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weren't speaking something that would shake the the empire to

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its core or something, then why would they bother with you? Right, Like,

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if you're not saying something that's valid, so they silence you,

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and therefore they validate you at the same time, because

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I mean, people brag all the time about getting kicked

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off of YouTube or or all these other you know, Instagram,

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buy the ship that they post, right, like the truth

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or community takes uh uh that as a what the

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hell they call it? Anyways, they take that as a

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mark or like, oh I did good. It's like no, bro,

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you're It's like, what better way than to hack their

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system to exist within their ecosystem? And you have to

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self censer a little bit then and so be it.

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That's the way, That's the alchemical way. That's why they

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spoke in these symbols, because they were trying to occult

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it from those that they didn't want obtaining the knowledge.

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Like you can read these books all you want, you're

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not going to understand it because you're not initiated, right,

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And I feel like a lot of the texts of

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the Gnostics that we don't know today what they were

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for has to do with that. And one of the

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concepts that has always been I want to talk to

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you about is the concept of a braxis. And like,

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I still don't under like alchemy. I still don't understand

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alchemy after all the hours and hours that I put

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into it. But can you break down a braxis for us?

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And what exactly or who is a braxis? And from

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from your point of view?

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Speaker 4: Oh, dear, sorry, I've been listening to you all over

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the place. Yeah, I'm like, why, I'm wondering what am

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I doing? Yes, I'm sorry, You've got it. Praxis braxis, Well,

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it depends do you want a youngion or the gnostic

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ancient Gnostic view?

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Speaker 3: Ancient Gnostic view.

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Speaker 4: Well, we really don't know. That is the mystery right there.

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He appears originally in coins, magical coins, and usually it's

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a depiction of a being you that you want to

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either avoid that his cosmic powers will not notice you,

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or you can summon. There are spells of a braxis.

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We find there's a somebody found a spell ironically recently

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during the pandemic about somebody having a pandemic in London,

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and he was invoking a Braxis what and he appears, Yeah, yeah,

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this praxis praxis. I don't know a pandemic. Yeah, I

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put it up somewhere. And then he appears in magical

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papyri as some sort of creator being. But the first

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person to talk about is a gnostic stage called Facilities

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in the second century Alexandria, and he places he divides

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the universe into three hundred and sixty five dimensions, and

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Abraxis is the highest of all the rulers of all

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the dimensions. The lowest one would be the god of

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the Hebrew Bible Yahweh. And he puts a Braxis. The

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problem is, we don't know if he meant to Braxis

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is like the chief ARCon or is he some sort

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of god above God. So he appears in different places,

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but it's pretty mysterious, and he continues to appear in

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magical tones and so forth across history. This being that's

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rooster head, human body, snake, legs, chariot driving this sort

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00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,119
of yeah, very enigmatic being. In fact, the founder Pete

468
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,200
Carroll of Chaos Magic always said that a Braxis came

469
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,200
in second place instead of Baffo Mitt for one of

470
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,119
the patrons of chaos magic. So he appears here and

471
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,519
there we know that the knights templar when they were

472
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:20,119
got there. The seal to guard their treasures was a braxis,

473
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000
an image of a braxis. So it's a powerful symbol

474
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:28,039
that magicians and austicks use, but it's very secretive. At

475
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:29,680
the end of the day, we know very little.

476
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 3: That was another one for me Baphomet, wanting to understand

477
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,559
exactly what Baphomet was. And obviously through that you find

478
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:43,680
Tracy Twyman's work Alex Rivera, and that was that was

479
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:48,160
like my gateway, the Baphomet gateway, and I from there.

480
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,240
I poked my head in through that rabbit hole and

481
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,839
kept going and here I am four or five years later,

482
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,880
still trying to figure it out. It's like the more

483
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,720
you look into and that's part of the occult too,

484
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,000
the more you look at it. I think it was

485
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,000
folkan Eli or something that I was reading where he

486
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:09,559
talks about how these subjects they they more fright in

487
00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:12,480
front of you, right, So you have the templars this

488
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:18,480
even they're enigmatic and they're do you would they have

489
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,640
been Gnostics the Templars.

490
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: There's good evidence for it. I mean, why would they

491
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,799
be using the seal of a Braxis? And of course

492
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:31,839
if Bafomed is Tracy Twyman and Alex riveatse they were

493
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:35,119
doing some sort of baptism to Sophia. We also know

494
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,079
that they dedicated their churches to Mary Magdalene or built

495
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:42,880
their churches, so we have another clue there. Their interaction

496
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:48,039
with groups like the Assassins, Muslim Gnostics, other things seems

497
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:50,400
to be pointing at it. We can't. I mean, obviously

498
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,920
there's nothing, there's no smoking gun like we do with

499
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,920
other groups like the Kathars. Yeah, they rubbed shoulders with

500
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,799
the Kathars in certain places. So as a as a scholar,

501
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,000
one said, all we have is dots, but there's a

502
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,720
lot of dots to connect, so I would lean towards it.

503
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, who are the ones that the Nazis were messing

504
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,720
around with trying to find artifacts? Was that was that.

505
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: They definitely visited the Cathar Land.

506
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:23,079
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, exactly. And that was another thing like and

507
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,839
this is why it's so fair, because history right, if

508
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,079
you want to believe it because you have the crowd

509
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,240
that doesn't even believe, right the mainstream history, which is fine, right,

510
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,319
like we're here to question. It was like you can't

511
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,640
question if you don't even believe, what can you believe?

512
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,000
It's essentially like what's what's there left to believe? If

513
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,839
you can't even write? There's There was no dark Ages,

514
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,039
there was no like this whole Skylla Geran chronology and

515
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:54,640
and all these concepts. But so we have this the

516
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,680
templars almost being like a right, there were the churches

517
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,240
er scenarios at the forefront, but then behind the scenes

518
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,559
they were worshiping these entities, these interdimensional entities. They had

519
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:12,440
all these amulets that were being prophesied too. And I

520
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:16,119
never understood was the was the head of John the Baptist?

521
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,039
What Baphomet prophesies through the head? Was that the whole?

522
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,839
And I'm going to show you something on a presentation

523
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,519
that I've been working on in regards to like I

524
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:30,200
want to talk about Philip K. Dick today too, and

525
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,000
I want to get your thoughts on this. Have you

526
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,640
heard of the missing head of Philip K. Dick?

527
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: The missing head you talking about the robot head?

528
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, the robot had you ever hear about that?

529
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a blast.

530
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: Like how how wild is that? And I linked that

531
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,400
to obviously, right, we have the I got the slide here,

532
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:55,680
we have the the Terror film, right that, and then

533
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,680
the guy that made that, made that android he was

534
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,920
all so he had also made ahead of himself in

535
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,160
ninety five he built a humanoid head in his own likeness,

536
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:14,640
and he's the guy that's with the robot Sophia. So

537
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:17,519
and then of course you have him because something like

538
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160
how I mentioned at the beginning, some people considered him

539
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:26,240
a sort of messiah figure who was getting downloads from

540
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:30,759
something otherworldly. And I've heard different because I just got

541
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:35,160
into Philip K. Dick not long ago, and I started

542
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,440
with Vallas. And there's some things like, for example, your

543
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,559
show when I first stumbled across it, there's some things

544
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:44,279
that I didn't understand because I wasn't there yet.

545
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 4: Right.

546
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: It feels like sometimes you have to attune yourself to

547
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:51,039
certain frequencies to be able to grasp the message. And

548
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,759
it's like Philip K. Dick. If I would have heard

549
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:55,799
of Philip K. Dick and started at the beginning of

550
00:32:55,839 --> 00:33:01,119
my journey, I wouldn't have understood it at all because

551
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,720
it's so heavy and it's the implications are so great, right,

552
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,799
what he's saying that it completely changes, but it fills

553
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:12,559
in those those holes within history, right? What are your

554
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:13,480
thoughts on Philip K.

555
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 4: Dick?

556
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: As far as have you ever read this book The

557
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,960
Palm Tree Garden of Philip K. Dick?

558
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: The Palm Tree Garden, No, I have not.

559
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: So it's I forgot who it's by. I'll get you

560
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,359
the name. I'll send you a copy. But the Palm

561
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,079
Tree Garden is a.

562
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what it is, this concept but.

563
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:35,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the concept of the Black Iron Prison. I'll

564
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:37,359
send you a copy of I'll email you a copy

565
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,880
after this. But how'd you stumble across Philip K.

566
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 4: Dick?

567
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,839
Speaker 3: And and what are your thoughts on him?

568
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:48,519
Speaker 4: Well, obviously i'd seen movies based on his work, Blade Runner,

569
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,160
total recall all that Minority Report, but never connected it

570
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,119
into anything higher. And then as I started studying about

571
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,880
gnosticism in the early two I kept just kept running

572
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,559
into Philip K. Dick. And in fact it was I

573
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,679
really wasn't grasping what the Nagamedy Library was saying, even

574
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,800
though it sounded so familiar, like the story of Sophia

575
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,920
felt so natural, like it really belonged in Christianity. But

576
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,760
it was Valus that really crystallized what Gnosticism was and

577
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,840
what Gnostic thought was. And then the sequel or the companion,

578
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,760
the divine invasion did it for me, and I just

579
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,960
became an acolyte of his, of of his work and

580
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,280
his ideas since then a dickhead.

581
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,519
Speaker 3: Is that that's what they call it?

582
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess that's I guess that's what they call him.

583
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,519
The embrace Yeah, perfect.

584
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: And the story you mean, like the whole her you know,

585
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,480
wanting to give birth of our concent like that whole thing.

586
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,480
Is that what you're saying that resonates with you because

587
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,480
it's almost it's almost like.

588
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 4: I was remembering I was remembering a story. Plus, it

589
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,199
just made sense that Christianity should have a divine and

590
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,159
in principle it just seemed instinct instinctually and intuitively natural.

591
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,760
So and of course the idea of the demiurg just

592
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,199
made sense, you know, back then, because the Hebrew Bible

593
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,280
is the Hebrew Bible, and this world is the mess

594
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:20,079
that it is. No higher intelligence could have designed this universe.

595
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,679
It's just it's just self evident, if you know, if

596
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:26,559
you know what I mean, intelligent design is more like

597
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:30,039
unintelligent design. And so sort of it made sense. But

598
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,440
sometimes things like you said, they don't even if you

599
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:36,440
read it over and over, good it doesn't like get

600
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:39,800
it doesn't really enter your good under your skin, or

601
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,440
really enter into your heart until certain things spark without you.

602
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:48,400
It's like anarchism. I kept reading about anarchism and I

603
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,679
just couldn't get it, and then one day it just

604
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:53,559
it made sense. A lot of it is programming. We

605
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,320
are slaves to the programming of our culture, our religion,

606
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,519
our parents, our ancestors. So even if it's so obvious

607
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:05,159
that you know, the government is a complete construct of

608
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:09,440
our head and a complete terrorist organization, it was very

609
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,320
hard for me because I'd been programmed about democracy and

610
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,800
paying your taxes and all that other bullshit. And it's

611
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,039
the same same with gnosticism. I was still there was

612
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:22,920
still some Catholic programming and all that. But Philip K.

613
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:25,519
Dick really brought it home because he couched it in

614
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,880
such ingenuously, very ingenious how he couched it in modern

615
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,960
times and sort of a fantasy science fiction social philosophical

616
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,440
arena and it just went poof. It just made sense.

617
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the latest Kevin Spacey debacle with what's

618
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:50,599
his face? It's the other guy, the commentary guy, the

619
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:54,960
the famous guy I got. Anyways, they did like this

620
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,159
thing on Twitter. I forget that. Oh yeah, this guy's

621
00:36:58,199 --> 00:36:59,719
name Kevin Spacey and.

622
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 4: No the guy there, Yeah they used to be on Fox. Yeah.

623
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:09,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to remember his name too, So Kevin Spacey.

624
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,119
Oh it's gonna kill me now that Twitter. This is

625
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:18,719
how disconnected I am from like the mainstream media. But

626
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,880
obviously you see these people over and over again. Anyways,

627
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,159
people know what I'm talking about. The whole weird talk

628
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,960
that they did, you know, a week ago whatever it was.

629
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,599
And one thing that he said in that that stood

630
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:34,360
out to me because it's how you're saying about the

631
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,039
presentation of this occult knowledge. And this is why I

632
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:42,119
always tell people you have to read Genuflect, Like once

633
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:48,159
reading Genuflecked will change your life. Like when I read

634
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:51,360
that book and I'm friends with SB and he was

635
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,480
really close with Tracy, It's like, I'm like, how does

636
00:37:54,599 --> 00:38:00,719
somebody stumble across something like that? And I've always won, Miguel.

637
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,039
How certain people, even within the community, they're able to

638
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:08,360
come up with certain ideas, and you know, sorry to

639
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,079
break it to people, but there are some of your

640
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:14,360
heroes are in touch with altraterrestrials to a certain extent,

641
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,599
Like a Philip K. Dick, right, he was in touch

642
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:18,960
with what do he called? I forgot what he called.

643
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
It had a name that he called it.

644
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 4: The zebra valas Sophia. Yeah, I don't get to, uh again,

645
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,440
worry about that. I just call it the other. Whether

646
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,159
it's coming from within or without, it's this other that

647
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,440
makes contact with you.

648
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 3: But how do you think that? Because I make the

649
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:43,480
mistake to think that everyone's that likes this sort of stuff.

650
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:47,079
But it's like, how do people who don't have any

651
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,320
clue of what the ocul or so any esoteric concept,

652
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,480
how do they live their life? How do they? You

653
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:56,039
know what I mean? Like, how do people go? How

654
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:56,519
did they do?

655
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 4: They?

656
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,039
Speaker 3: Just ignorance is bliss?

657
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like the guy in the

658
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:10,079
Matrix cipher. I know this steak isn't real, but it

659
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:11,920
tastes so good. I just want to go back to

660
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,760
my safe life. Nine to five eat some steak, get

661
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,239
a girlfriend, don't ask questions, be part of the herd.

662
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,519
It's going to be safe. The government will take care

663
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:24,159
of you, and while I live your life and then

664
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,320
lights out, and that's the best you'll do. I think

665
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,599
that's the most of humanity's.

666
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,440
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698
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Speaker 4: Kind of tempting, I mean it is kind of tempting

699
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,519
because the mystic road or the red Pill road is

700
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:26,039
pretty brutal. You're gonna turn your back on everything you knew.

701
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:31,800
The deprogramming is painful, but God, that feeling of ecstasy

702
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:36,119
and the truth and feeling of elevating yourself to other

703
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,119
realms and seeing the reality for what it is and

704
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:42,719
finding your purpose and how you might help wake up others.

705
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,639
That's amazing, but it's a tough road.

706
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: Do you regret like studying this sort of stuff ever?

707
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,360
Do you ever think about that?

708
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, I've made a huge price. I mean, God,

709
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,440
my life was turned upside down once I got into gnosticism.

710
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:01,679
But no, no, I mean, if there's any regrets, I'd

711
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,719
say I wish I'd focus more on the experience, on

712
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,039
the ecstatic altered states of mind, and a little bit

713
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:12,760
less on the intellectual process, because I think that's what

714
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,320
the Gnostics were doing. Again, they were Shaman's. It's like, yeah,

715
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,519
it's okay to study and research, and of course, as

716
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,440
you mentioned, you can read a book or watch a

717
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,039
good movie or something, and your consciousness will change. I

718
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,480
mean you can feel reality shifting and you close the

719
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,599
book and you realize I will never be the same

720
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,559
or I'll never look at the sky the same. Something

721
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:37,920
has changed in me forever and I'm on a different path,

722
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,440
which is great. But once you get into those rituals,

723
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,119
it's even better because then it really breaks down your

724
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:50,159
ego and it gets you into higher realms of experience

725
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,719
and you find it easier to find your mission and

726
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,760
to really deal with the world.

727
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: And is this using the aid of psychedelics or.

728
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,159
Speaker 4: Well, that's the rub. The Gnostics were never a one

729
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,480
size fit all, and it's frustrating people walk away because

730
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,440
I'm like, you know, whatever rocks your boat, Like Jung said,

731
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:15,840
your salvation is your salvation. What do you want to BuzzFeed?

732
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,880
Liistical like other religions, give you do this, do this,

733
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,920
You'll go to heaven. Gnostics were split into all these lodges,

734
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,480
and they all had different ways because they all had

735
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:31,679
offered different experiences. Some did yeah, some probably did in theogens.

736
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,039
Other did, as you said, vowel magic or vowel rituals

737
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:38,360
where you kind of go into an altered state of mind.

738
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,119
Others with some sort of weird baptism. Others was meditation

739
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,760
and contemplation. Other was sex magic. So it just varied,

740
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,679
and it has varied throughout history, because that's the hardest

741
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,400
thing you'll do is somebody telling you, you know, figure

742
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,760
your shit out what works for you. What works for

743
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,519
you might not work for me. Maybe you like alchemy,

744
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,480
maybe I like ritual magic. Maybe I'd just like to

745
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:04,800
sit outside by a lake and look at nature and

746
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,159
that'll get me a mystical experience. So that's what I

747
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:11,360
always tell people. Find what works for you and keep

748
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,119
doing it. But the goal is no sis, that altered

749
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:20,280
state and that direct experience with the divine, plus a

750
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,760
breaking down of your false reality of your program EO,

751
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,880
because most of what we are frauds. We're just programmed.

752
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,800
We're really not real in any shapeway or form or

753
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,400
lasting way. Yeah, we're one time miracles. There's one Juan,

754
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,039
one Miguel in this universe, and those are amazing miracles

755
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:44,960
that will never happen again. But the big prize is

756
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,599
that high your self, that high your mind.

757
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,679
Speaker 3: Where are you from, Miguel? Are you Hispanic?

758
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,519
Speaker 4: No, I'm Portugal. I was born in Portugal, so I'm

759
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:58,159
Portuguese American dual citizenship. But I did live in Mexico

760
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,639
for a long time in pu Okay.

761
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, my my wife's Brazilian, so I'm familiar with the No.

762
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,239
I've heard you kind of speak Spanish sometimes, but I

763
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,760
wasn't really sure whether you were Hispanic or not. But

764
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,119
I mean Portugal, that's would that be a Spain, right,

765
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:15,760
I Mean that's kind of Spanish too.

766
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 4: No, Portuguese. The Brazilian's got Portuguese from the Portuguese. Yeah yeah,

767
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:24,880
used to be a Portuguese colony.

768
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. Because it's kind of like the the phonetics

769
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,440
is kind of I can understand Brazilian or Portuguese, but

770
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,360
I can't speak it all that well, right, So it's

771
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,599
kind of like phonetically it's it's it's still there, so

772
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:38,679
you can see that.

773
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,159
Speaker 4: But it's a romantic language. Yeah.

774
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:48,679
Speaker 3: So this vowel magic, I love that. I never I

775
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,880
have to look that up. But this idea, that's it's

776
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,199
a scary experience, right once you start to question your

777
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:58,199
own and that can drive This is why it's not

778
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:03,719
for everyone either, because to use a when you peer

779
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,840
into the abyss, the abys starts to peer back into.

780
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,079
You have like this Nietzschean aspect of it. And then

781
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,000
you have some people who will argue against, like you know,

782
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:17,239
the the use of magic, whether that be ceremonial or otherwise.

783
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,639
And it's like you have guys, right, the one that

784
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:25,480
everyone knows Crowley, where in my opinion, these guys maybe

785
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:28,800
Crowley drove people around him insane because he was probably

786
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:32,000
dumping it off on them. But a lot of these

787
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:34,119
guys went in saying like, look at young right at

788
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,000
the end of his life, he was well worshiping a Braxist.

789
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,320
Is that is that what it was?

790
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: No? No, no, he didn't go. He forced himself to

791
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,119
go insane for his Red Book experience.

792
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:46,079
Speaker 3: Yeah.

793
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 4: And in fact, the I mean and all this supernatural

794
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,800
stuff was happening in his house while he was going inward,

795
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,519
like people would hear doorbells and things moving. It was.

796
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,639
It was attested by his family, and he even had

797
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:02,039
a gun. He said, if I go insane, if this

798
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:04,400
is too much, I'm just gonna I'm gonna end it.

799
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,079
But he came back. And that's the whole point, the

800
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:11,000
whole idea of the Mystery religion and the Gnostic rituals

801
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:14,280
is you go to the underworld and you go deep.

802
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:18,880
The underworld represents your unconscious, that place that has I mean,

803
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,800
the ancients described as a place full of demons and

804
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,559
dark gods, but you could say it's a place that

805
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:27,719
has your trauma that needs to be healed, and your

806
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,400
shadow and the things that you haven't resolved, and the

807
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,239
missions that you knew so well as a child and

808
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,000
you've repressed them and now they're calling to you. You

809
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:39,000
have to go face them. And then in these rituals

810
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:42,039
you go into the underworld and the Naga Mighty Library

811
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,159
has them another and then suddenly you go into the underworld,

812
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,840
you get these powers, you defeat these dark gods, and

813
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,480
then you go into these astral flights through star portals.

814
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,280
And again this could just mean you're higher mind take

815
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,199
it forever any way you want, mystical, psychological, it doesn't

816
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,320
matter because he experience is the same. I mean, that's

817
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,079
that's what Jordan Peterson said, right, Why does the dragon

818
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:09,039
guard the treasure because that's the last place we want

819
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:10,920
to go, But that's a place we have to go.

820
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,039
We have to go confront the dragon in the in

821
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,880
the cave because that's where the treasure is, that's where

822
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:22,519
our true selves is, are our destiny everything. So yeah,

823
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,519
it is scary, and there's always a risk you might

824
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:27,679
have not made it. Philip K. Dick might have not

825
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,159
survived his balance experience. I mean, you know, there's no

826
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,639
there's no guarantees in this universe. You just don't know.

827
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,039
But again, what do you want to do? Be like

828
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,599
Cipher and eat your steak and live in the matrix

829
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,880
I mean, fine, if that's what rock, you know, the

830
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,599
world isn't going to get too bothered by your decision.

831
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:48,119
That's what I realized. There's there's a huge battle and

832
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:52,079
a whole cosmic fit and all that, and you want

833
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:56,119
to join join If not, you know, enjoy enjoy being

834
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:56,800
in an NPC.

835
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:01,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm what you call an armchair. Hold Miguel, I

836
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:03,760
read about all this stuff, but I haven't really tried

837
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,280
anything for myself any better.

838
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:12,199
Speaker 4: The even meditation, Just try meditation, start with that, or prayer,

839
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,880
you know, vowel or do that. Well, don't do the

840
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,760
Hesi gaya the Jesus prayer. Stay away from that one.

841
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,079
Speaker 3: Which one. Let me write it down so I can

842
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:21,760
so I know what's with prayer.

843
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 4: It's called the it's it's called the Yeah, the Jesus

844
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,920
Prayer in Greek Orthodoxy. It's probably the most powerful way

845
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,760
to have a mystical experience. But you need to do

846
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,559
it with a priest. You need to do it with

847
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,679
the nord because if you do it by yourself, it's

848
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,719
just one sentence you say over and over again, Lord

849
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,719
Jesus Christ, and you do it with the beats of

850
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,639
your heart. A special way man, you will see God soon.

851
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:49,440
But if you do it, if you don't do it,

852
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,760
if you don't do it with a priest, it will

853
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:57,719
it will destroy your sanity. So just meditation starts slowly,

854
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,280
fifteen minutes a day, build on a and then something

855
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,880
will tell you maybe I need to try and theogens.

856
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,679
Maybe I need to do go to church, maybe I

857
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,159
need to I don't know. Whatever.

858
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: You can, Yeah, I've done the censory deprivation. I mean

859
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,119
that's that's oh wow, pretty trippy. But it's like how

860
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:18,800
you're saying, right, this darkness because there's a lot of

861
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,760
darkness right, being human, right, there's a lot of intrusive

862
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,920
thoughts which goes through everyone's heads. And I don't know

863
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,719
if it's human nature where you're driving down the road, Hey,

864
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,039
what would happen if I veer into the other oncoming?

865
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,920
Like what is that is? Are those the arkons that

866
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,039
are trying to get a hold of us and write

867
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:36,519
make us?

868
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 4: That's that's why the gnostics over and the hermetic tracks.

869
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,400
It always says Hermes or Jesus, they're like, still yourself,

870
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,960
just quiet, just sit there, and it's a practice so

871
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,559
you can start listening and you can understand what are

872
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:53,639
the good voices? What are the bad voice? And even

873
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:58,920
the bad voices have good things they have Yes, your arcons.

874
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,000
The dragon has the treasure, it has the gifts that

875
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,519
that could help you. So that's why you have to

876
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:08,239
I mean, somebody once asked me what's enlightened, and I said,

877
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,280
it's just learning to listen. Nobody knows how to listen.

878
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,119
Nature is talking to us. Our bodies are talking to us,

879
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:17,599
Our wives are talking to us, and we know we're

880
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:20,280
not listening to them. I mean, but if we learn

881
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,760
to listen, that's because I realized women have a completely

882
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,599
different language, but they do have an amazing language. We

883
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:29,119
just don't know how to manute. It's it's hard to

884
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:34,000
explain left animals. But once we just sit there and

885
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:39,480
breathe and just listen, then suddenly it's easy. It becomes

886
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:42,400
effortless to know what's real, what's not? What does your

887
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,519
body want? What does nature want? What do your ancestors want?

888
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:49,519
What does God want? But that's the key, that's why

889
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:52,079
it's so important. And as it's like the Buddhists were

890
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,559
like to shut up and breathe, just calm down and

891
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:58,199
just and it's very hard for us to do today.

892
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,159
But now I mean if I when I do my

893
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,199
meditations exercise, I'm like, oh, this is a part of

894
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,480
me I really like because all I do is listen.

895
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,719
That's all I do, and that's where the gold is.

896
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,079
Speaker 3: I have difficulty with that, the quieting, right, And I

897
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:16,679
think that is part of how how you're saying that

898
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:21,280
that hard programming, especially nowadays where we know fears are

899
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,280
passed down genetically. We know this is encoded in the DNA.

900
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,360
So being able to break out of that, maybe maybe

901
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,519
that was right. That was the nosis of being able

902
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:32,519
to quiet the mind. And instead of laying in the

903
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:36,159
sensory deprivation tank for two hours and thinking about that

904
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,000
email or that phone, I think I hear my phone vibrating,

905
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:41,039
and that was that was the one for me. It's like, damn,

906
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:43,239
I think somebody's calling me. I hear my phone vibrating.

907
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,519
I did get it. I wouldn't even have not one text.

908
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,480
And it's like, well, you know, worst, I don't know

909
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,440
about you, but I sometime I hear my phone. Dude,

910
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,639
Like I'll hear my phone or I'll feed it in

911
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,559
my have to stop when I'm doing a feel and

912
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:57,280
it's like we're connected all the time. What's the most

913
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:02,480
profound experience you've had, like the divine experience through meditation?

914
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:06,239
Because I know that I forget what it's called, but

915
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:14,079
even the Rosicrucians and their idea of the Gospel of

916
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,760
John and repeating it over and over again to enter

917
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,760
the text, I forgot what it's got an official name,

918
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,559
but essentially to enter the text and interact with whatever's

919
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:28,079
on the other side. And I've even seen even the

920
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:32,079
Rothchild's right, right, the Rothchild's the Illuminati or the lizard

921
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:34,599
people whoever that they rule the world. I don't know

922
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:36,960
if you've ever seen the Rothchild's Canticles, which is this.

923
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:41,480
I think it's a red book actually at Yale because

924
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:43,920
Yale has all the cool shit at it, And it's

925
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,639
about these plates where you would meditate on the plates

926
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,360
to interact with the Godhead, with Divinity, with whatever it was.

927
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:57,559
And it's got like some weird butthole looking Jesus I'll

928
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:00,000
show here in a second. But what's the most profound

929
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:04,480
owned experience you've had as far as like mystical, you know,

930
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:07,719
in your meditation. Let me let the cat out, Yeah,

931
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,119
pull this up. Here real quick so you can see it.

932
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:15,440
So it is a red book. Of course I've showed

933
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,280
this before to people. But these are plates and you're

934
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:27,000
supposed to meditate upon these plates their mandels essentially, right,

935
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,119
And they're in the collection of the roth Child's and

936
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,559
they have a whole bunch of other books too, by

937
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:36,599
the way. But the more interesting aspect of this book

938
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:39,639
and the reason why it's weird is because of this here.

939
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:45,280
So you have this weird almost cthulhu esque, and what

940
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,440
it's showing is, you know what people explain it to me,

941
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:51,239
These are rays of light, but they were trying to

942
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:57,280
depict and trying to show the the that looks like

943
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,159
those are octopus tend of I mean those are tentacles.

944
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:06,400
Those look like tentacles to me. And they were trying

945
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,519
to essentially depict the Trinity, because that's one of the

946
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:12,599
more I remember as a kid struggling with what the

947
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:14,400
hell is the Trinity? My grandma trying to explain it

948
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,599
to me. It's like, well, he is God, but he's

949
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:22,079
also Jesus, but he's also the Holy Spirit. It's like

950
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:27,440
what imagine imagine a twelve year old kid trying to

951
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,760
grasp I don't know how your kids are a guy,

952
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,400
but I have a one and a half year old

953
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,599
and a five year old, and when he's twelve years old,

954
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,079
I don't know how I'm gonna be able to explain

955
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:48,800
to him the Trinity. But look, this is so it's

956
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,800
one of the more profound experiences that you've had. Because

957
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,719
I really like what you're saying, I'm going to try

958
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,079
it out. I'm like, oh, this is this is a

959
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,960
new year, right. I set the goal of also reading

960
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,960
the Bible more this year because it's an interesting book, right,

961
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:08,800
and I haven't read Revelation since, like since I was

962
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,639
like thirteen or something like that, twelve years old. So

963
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:15,119
I'm gonna start reading the Bible more and right, not

964
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:20,320
taking it everything all at face value, but trying to

965
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,559
extract nosis from That's the whole idea of no sch

966
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,800
whatever sacred to you.

967
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, whatever rocks your boat and whatever calls you.

968
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: Can you tell us about what your more profound experiences

969
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,159
are by doing meditation.

970
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:40,039
Speaker 4: I've had a few with meditation, different but the most

971
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:45,159
intense ones I've always been with ayahuasca. And again that's

972
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:49,199
the other thing I always advise, just like the ancient

973
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,000
ostics and hermeticis. Have a good hero fan, have a

974
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:55,840
good shaman or priest or don't go at it alone

975
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,480
because you're just you're just falling right into the arc

976
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:00,840
on your programmed mind is going to find a way

977
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,599
to sabotage you. Usually usually so have somebody that will

978
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:08,840
guide you into the underworld or through the doorways of

979
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,960
perception or whatever you want to call you. But I

980
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:15,840
had My uncle was ahead of Santu daim which is

981
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,639
a Brazilian mystical order Christian that uses ayahuasca, and I

982
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:25,760
have had the most intense experiences out of body traveling

983
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,159
across the spheres. My first time or third time, that's

984
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:34,199
when I met Abraxas, which was this giant void that

985
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,000
covered the entire universe, and it was the scariest thing

986
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:40,400
I've ever seen because it was moving, it was breathing,

987
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,079
it was staring right at me, and it was terrifying.

988
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:47,000
And then last summer had one where I just I

989
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,679
left the world and the whole world was disillusion and

990
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:53,400
I realized this whole universe. Yeah, it goes back to

991
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,480
Terrence McKennon and his lecture he talks about the universe

992
00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:02,000
is an apparatus to trap the logo, and in my vision,

993
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:06,400
the entire universe was this digital machine that was here

994
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,800
to trap Jesus and trap them at the center. And

995
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,920
it was amazing then. And then I had another one

996
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,880
where I just started going through time. I always lost

997
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,880
for like a hundred years, and I experienced one hundred

998
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,159
years and somehow came back, you know, in twenty minutes.

999
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:25,840
It passed during the ceremony because you're dancing and doing

1000
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,360
all this singing in Portuguese and doing all these hymns.

1001
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,320
But you know, once ayahuasca hits you, you're just you're gone.

1002
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,400
You're gone somewhere else. So but again that's for me.

1003
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,760
It's each to each his own. Some people do ayahuasca

1004
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,320
and they're like, I'd rather do something else, mushrooms. Other

1005
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,039
people don't want to do intheegents, so I'd say test

1006
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:49,599
the waters. But again, think of an altered state of mind.

1007
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,639
Could be prayer, meditation, could be it doesn't matter what

1008
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,000
it is. Could be creating. Some people when they do art,

1009
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:01,599
they just go they're conscious, this completely changes and then

1010
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:05,079
go into an altered state of mind. It could be

1011
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:09,880
orange right, yeah, low, perfect example of visionary art. So

1012
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,119
it's up to you. You're unique, you have a mission.

1013
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,159
You don't need anybody else to give you. One size

1014
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:21,199
fit all join the pack. But that's the hardest thing

1015
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:25,000
you'll ever do, because who wants to make their own decisions, right,

1016
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:28,480
That's not how humans are. We're pack animals. We want

1017
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,760
to play it safe and not be attacked by wolves

1018
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,679
if we're all together and a herd, all doing the

1019
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:34,199
same shit.

1020
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:37,599
Speaker 3: That's the one thing about aahuasca I've never liked the

1021
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:40,719
I'm okay with I'd rather shit my pants, but I

1022
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,199
hate throwing up, right, So the purging is the one

1023
00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:48,920
thing that because I've heard some trippy, trippy stories of

1024
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,199
people in ayahuasca and right the benefits of it, but

1025
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:56,280
also it's like the some people don't even purge at all.

1026
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,320
But it's like to me, I don't know, man. I

1027
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,800
threw up the first time the other day, for like

1028
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,880
the first time in like eighteen years, and my wife

1029
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,599
had never heard me throw up. I mean, I had

1030
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:09,360
never seen me throw up. And she's like, yeah, that's

1031
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,800
how you know it was bad because you're throwing up.

1032
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,639
Because I'd rather shoot myself in the big toe than

1033
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,719
throw up. So it's like, but again, I've already tried

1034
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:22,360
the I've tried the mushrooms one time. It was a

1035
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,440
really bad trip, and I haven't tried it alone. I

1036
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:28,280
was alone, and it was at the peak of COVID.

1037
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there you go, there you go. Yeah, yeah,

1038
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,880
we were egocentric creatures.

1039
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 3: I said I could. I was like, hey, you know,

1040
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,320
I could do it. It's a low dose. And I grew.

1041
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,440
I grew my own mushrooms like I grew them myself.

1042
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,880
It was again, it was a mystical experience for me.

1043
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,239
It was very like, oh, this is something that I

1044
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:51,079
took all these weeks to nurture and take care of

1045
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:55,360
and watch it, you know, from essentially a bag of

1046
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,239
seeds to this thing. And it was again it was

1047
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,400
an all chemical process. So the whole thing was spiritual

1048
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,800
and away from you. But then as soon as I

1049
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:08,519
got in there, they they kicked me around and they.

1050
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,559
Speaker 4: Really purging is good. That's the whole point of the

1051
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:15,880
mystery religion of the voyage. You have to your your

1052
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:18,880
you have to die, as they say, simple, you go

1053
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,320
to the underworld and you die.

1054
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: It's like I think it was at the Knight's Templar

1055
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,960
that had the the ritual where they were I think

1056
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,039
drown you or put you out.

1057
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know who did. There's so many secrets

1058
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:39,239
Asiety and then some Freemason ones or I forget which

1059
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:41,639
one was Freemasons or martin As. Yeah, they put you

1060
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:44,639
in a gray first before you're initiated. And it makes

1061
01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:48,079
perfect sense because that's that's the whole deal. I mean,

1062
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:51,599
the Gnostics always said you you don't get You don't

1063
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:54,519
resurrect in the next life. You resurrect in this life.

1064
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:56,880
You die like Jesus in this life, and you rise,

1065
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:01,079
So it's a new creature is born. That's a whole

1066
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:04,480
alchemical process. You break it down, you get a Yeah,

1067
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:08,159
you get a pure substance and a new being rises

1068
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:08,599
from it.

1069
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've heard alchemy be put that way too.

1070
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:12,679
Speaker 4: Right.

1071
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 3: The the the animating of of matter essentially is what

1072
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,159
it is right in Adam and matter, you know, stuff

1073
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:23,679
that's not and giving it life in some sort of way.

1074
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,599
And obviously I've done the I have to send you

1075
01:02:26,639 --> 01:02:33,639
one Miguel the Mounculous Owner's Manual and learn Learn a

1076
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:38,119
Team Your Monkeys thirty thirty three pages full of monculous goodness.

1077
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:39,440
So I don't know if you've got a po box

1078
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:42,559
or not. I'll send you one, Miguel, but I've done.

1079
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,880
It's like a chick track. Yeah, yeah, it's like a

1080
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:45,639
little chick track.

1081
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 4: And I love those, the Cthulhu ones, and I used

1082
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,239
to collect chick tracks. He's a brilliant writer. Yeah, I

1083
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:52,679
love those.

1084
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, essentially, that's what it is done by paranoid American.

1085
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:01,840
And alchemy is such an interdme topic. And the Gnostics

1086
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:06,239
were you know, they were alchemists. There's Panopolis and and

1087
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,360
I think I think he had tobias on not too

1088
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,880
long ago, and he talked about zozimos and obviously Young

1089
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:21,400
was he loved alchemy as well. So, but the idea

1090
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,880
of interacting with something outside of yourself, that that that

1091
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:28,599
it and I've heard it put that the dark self

1092
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,559
reveals all those all the secrets of the universe too.

1093
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:35,159
You once you're able to talk to it, but some

1094
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:38,320
people don't come back. And you mentioned you said earlier

1095
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:43,000
that he didn't go and so he drove himself purposely insane.

1096
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:44,440
Is that what you said about Young?

1097
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:48,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he wanted to have a psychic the breakdown,

1098
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:52,039
which meant yeah, just break everything. And he wanted to

1099
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:55,760
go inside, into his soul, into his within, into his

1100
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:01,440
personal unconscious, and come back with the images and symbols

1101
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:05,119
and other gifts. And that's what he did, and he

1102
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:08,760
came back with Youngian psychology. That was the gift he

1103
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,000
came to the world, and that was his idea. He

1104
01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:15,320
wanted to teach people. Everybody has a soul. Everybody has

1105
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,960
this unconscious that has that has most of what we are.

1106
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:23,280
Our ego is just like the tip of the iceberg,

1107
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,800
but who we really are goes deep and this part

1108
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,760
of us is a place of symbols and archetypal images

1109
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:36,320
and myths and this stuff that is nonlinear language and time.

1110
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:41,159
But that's how we become individuated or divine or whatever

1111
01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:44,239
you want to call it. So that was Yung's purpose

1112
01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:47,159
and that's what he accomplished. And again this goes back

1113
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:51,360
to the mystery religions, the gnostics, the alchemists. You go

1114
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:54,679
deep into the underworld, you find the dragon, you get

1115
01:04:54,719 --> 01:04:57,360
the treasure, and you come up a new creature.

1116
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 3: And the concept Philip kid I think it was Philip K. Dick,

1117
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,760
either that or turns my kind of one of the two,

1118
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,880
where they talk about how right reality is a machine,

1119
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,519
like reality itself is a sort of of computer, if

1120
01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:17,920
you will, and it tries it injects the viruses as

1121
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:22,239
these messiah figures. So essentially he was getting as that

1122
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:26,079
all these messiah figures that we see throughout history was

1123
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,199
of the system trying to save itself by injecting them

1124
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:34,679
into this reality. But obviously we know what happens to

1125
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:39,960
these figures that right Jesus was obviously crucified, and there's

1126
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,559
a whole bunch of different speculation behind that, but the

1127
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:44,679
idea that it is constantly trying to save you, it's

1128
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:46,840
like the story of the guy where it's like, you

1129
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,840
know he's drowning. You know, it's like a boat comes

1130
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,639
by and know you know, God will save me, got

1131
01:05:51,719 --> 01:05:54,239
will save me? Another one comes by or whatever it was,

1132
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,119
and when he gets up, things like what you you

1133
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:59,440
didn't seems like bro I sent you helped twice, you know,

1134
01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:02,519
like you just chose to ignore. But it gets into

1135
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:05,760
that concept of what you were saying, like learning to

1136
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,599
heart the voice of God right but being able to

1137
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:12,079
distinguish it. And Philip K. Dick talks about how when

1138
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:15,920
he was I think it was after he finished Divine Invasion.

1139
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:20,119
The voice stopped talking to him for a while, but

1140
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:22,199
he said that it would only happen to him when

1141
01:06:22,239 --> 01:06:27,199
he was just waking up from you know, sleep in

1142
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:32,360
this hypnagogic he called it a hypnopompic state. So he

1143
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,840
was in this very He's like you had to listen,

1144
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,639
and once you were able to live, it was very faint,

1145
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,079
but you were able to hear it. And it's like,

1146
01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:45,760
are those the early stages of schizophrenias, like or schizophrenics

1147
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,239
onto something or like I know schizophrenics And they don't really,

1148
01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:52,800
I don't. They don't. They're not extracting any information that

1149
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:57,280
they didn't otherwise know. It's like from their memories that

1150
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,920
these entities are showing them whatever is that they're showing them.

1151
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:04,800
So and we've always been taught like, oh, well, schizophrenic,

1152
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,880
they don't. They don't think correctly, right, They're they're just crazy.

1153
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,760
It's like, are they or are they tapping into something?

1154
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:14,239
Right there? Their brains are wired differently, were how they're

1155
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,119
how you were saying, they're able to decipher and here

1156
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:21,119
maybe more than one voice and how you're saying. The

1157
01:07:21,159 --> 01:07:26,760
bad ones sometimes have good advice. They have good things

1158
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,760
to offer for us to use here, and that's like

1159
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,719
quantum computing. I don't know if you've ever seen the

1160
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:36,480
whole Georgie Geordie Rose, guy from the the D Wave,

1161
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:40,599
and I know right now aliens are a topic. I

1162
01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:42,920
want to get your your thoughts on the whole extraterrestrial

1163
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:45,280
UFO disclosure type of thing that's going on. What are

1164
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,440
your thoughts on that? Do you think you have some

1165
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,159
people who think space is faking gay, aliens are faking gay.

1166
01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:52,800
It's all fake and gay. None of it matters. What

1167
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,360
are your thoughts on this whole disclosure and that's going

1168
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,440
on right now heavily in the governmental speares of things.

1169
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,239
Speaker 4: Well, obviously it's the government. I don't I know something's

1170
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,920
off and I know I can't believe them. So they

1171
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:11,239
say about NASA, never a straight answer. It's their fault.

1172
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,960
People think space is fake and gay because they keep

1173
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:18,079
contradicting themselves in line. I mean, maybe it is real,

1174
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:21,560
but they've done a terrible job. It's like science. They

1175
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,640
just either they're inept or they just bought into their

1176
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,600
own bullshit. But so I don't bite it. It's like

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01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,800
the old saying never believe anything until the government has

1178
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:38,239
officially denied it. This is the opposite, so believes. But yeah,

1179
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:41,279
I don't know what they're doing. Obviously the government's hiding something.

1180
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:47,079
Obviously they're trying to attempt some sort of control. Obviously

1181
01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:50,680
there is other I call it the other. We don't

1182
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,760
really know what it is. Again, I'm more into the

1183
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:58,760
John Kill interdimensional ultra dimensional beings that come through. So

1184
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,800
I don't know if the government has any sort of

1185
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,520
alien technology or anything like that. They probably do, but

1186
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:08,319
I'm pretty agnostic right now. There's so many different if

1187
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:12,399
you go into the eufology thing, there's so many competing

1188
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,479
ideas it's hard to tell. But that's a problem too today,

1189
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:20,319
is that we live in such a either or world.

1190
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,880
When I see an argument, and it can be any argument,

1191
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,479
I simply go, Okay, this is the best argument. I like,

1192
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,279
this is the second best. But just because this is

1193
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,840
the best argument, it doesn't invalidate the second best, or

1194
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,479
the third or the fourth. That's not how the mind

1195
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,840
should work. We live in a world was like, it's

1196
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,000
got to be this, and I'm just gonna throw everything

1197
01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:45,920
out that no, no, no, eat those ideas and as

1198
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,960
I gather data, some ideas might take over because and

1199
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,920
then we'll see again we don't know what's going to

1200
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,760
be the truth. It's very hard. I mean, as my

1201
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,840
friend said, who's a scholar. You don't prove history, you

1202
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,640
demonstrate history. The only way to prove histories to get

1203
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,960
into a time machine and be there. So until there,

1204
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,760
we're trying to demonstrate these things and what happened, and

1205
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,680
trying to find the best arguments for things. But again,

1206
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,600
the second best argument does not mean it's invalid. You know,

1207
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,159
if I think, I mean, I think Atlantis was real,

1208
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,039
but that does not invalidate Tartaria. It just means this

1209
01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:27,359
for me works, this does not work. But I'm keeping

1210
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:30,720
this in my sights until more research comes through.

1211
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I also believe that people try to interpret

1212
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,760
things the way that that best fits for them. Right

1213
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,319
how you're saying one size doesn't fit all. So therefore

1214
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,760
come up with your own cosmology, which is fine too,

1215
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,600
except what happens when you start to believe that reality

1216
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,239
and like that cosmology one hundred percent, Like we got

1217
01:10:55,239 --> 01:10:57,560
into phenomena. I forgot what was listening to where it

1218
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,720
was like a phenomenology where it's really you, like your

1219
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,439
experience is real to you. You have faith and you

1220
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,880
have science. It's like it's okay to have faith, you know,

1221
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,960
But what's the difference between science. Well, science has a

1222
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,920
process to be able to prove it and disprove it.

1223
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,479
It's like, well, faith because faith is a powerful thing.

1224
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:16,159
Speaker 4: You know.

1225
01:11:16,199 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 3: We're talking about something that can quite literally have right

1226
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:25,399
the placebo effect. It can quite literally change somebody's biology.

1227
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,880
Like you know that there is spontaneous healing. Again, I've

1228
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,520
seen it myself, so there's something to be said there.

1229
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,079
It's like, well, is that consciousness? Is that your mind?

1230
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:40,199
Is that you having power over this reality? I mind?

1231
01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:43,199
They always tell us mind over matter, but they don't really.

1232
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,960
I think mental health is one of those things that

1233
01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:48,560
just gets like talk to the to the side when

1234
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,359
it comes to a lot of a lot of people.

1235
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,920
I don't talk about my mental health. I don't really

1236
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,279
do anything other than you know, I'm going to try

1237
01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:59,479
more meditation and more relaxation. I guess that's really all

1238
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,920
you can do, right if you have the means to.

1239
01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:06,279
But yeah, mental health gets thrown out the window in

1240
01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:09,079
this society, especially being a man. How you were saying

1241
01:12:09,119 --> 01:12:11,479
we can't tune into like the women, you know what

1242
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,039
they're saying, because it's something different about it. But it's

1243
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:17,640
like we have our own way of going about things, right.

1244
01:12:18,119 --> 01:12:22,239
So yeah, and I think this reality is a lot

1245
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,560
The truth is stranger than fiction, is how they say, Right,

1246
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,520
do you believe in alien Do you think there is

1247
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,560
something out there? Or you don't? You don't buy it

1248
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,279
at all? Do you think that they're more interdimensional? You

1249
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:38,479
know ultra truck his keel was altraterrestrials, isn't he right?

1250
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 4: Right? We don't. It's again I call it the other

1251
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,319
like Whitley Strieber does. I mean Whitley Streeber has experiences,

1252
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:48,319
but he never said there were aliens. There was something

1253
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,640
coming through from the veil of reality or the veil

1254
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:56,399
of the reality that we've been allowed to see, and

1255
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:01,840
it's something that our little monkey brains cannot truly comprehend

1256
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:06,039
and will project images whether it's angels or aliens or

1257
01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:09,920
fairies or anything like that, but we truly don't know.

1258
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:12,640
I mean again, the power of the mind will create

1259
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,000
the reality around us, like Cipher and the matrix, like

1260
01:13:16,039 --> 01:13:20,199
that story when that famous story when the natives were

1261
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:23,680
here and the Spanish came in their boats in the distance.

1262
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,760
They couldn't see the boats because they'd never seen it before,

1263
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:30,119
so all they saw was ocean until the Spanish actually

1264
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:35,159
landed on the beach. Because if you've never seen something

1265
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:39,560
and it's that alien or advance, your mind will shut

1266
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,079
it off. I mean we see it all the time.

1267
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:43,920
You ever walk your dog or something. Your dog doesn't

1268
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,439
know what the car is. It doesn't care, it doesn't

1269
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,359
the car doesn't exist until it hits the dog right

1270
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,159
or it wants to chase it. It just blocks it

1271
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:55,760
out out of his perception reality. We humans are the same.

1272
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,960
We need shelter, we need food, and we need sex,

1273
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,800
and we will block out so much the spiritual world,

1274
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,640
the noetic world. So I try again, like you said,

1275
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,439
just sit still and try to experience this otherness and

1276
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,560
go from there and then have fun and theories on

1277
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,960
the internet and talk shit and argue with people about

1278
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,000
what they are. But at the end of the day,

1279
01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:21,159
I know my limitations. As Miguel the monkey self.

1280
01:14:21,239 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 3: And he says here he abandoned the altraterrestrial idea in

1281
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:31,479
nineteen sixty something. Here, let's see here, Yeah, something sixty

1282
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,720
seven or something. But yeah, I never thought about it

1283
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:39,640
like that where they're quite literally right, this is that

1284
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,399
ontological shock? Is that what they call it? Where it

1285
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,840
shifts your paradigm? It's like, but how you're saying it

1286
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,119
makes so much sense? Where how do you even know

1287
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:50,279
what you're looking at? If you're lucky?

1288
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 4: Did you know that the color blue didn't exist in

1289
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,760
ancient times? We had to discover it.

1290
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 3: Is that pink or blue?

1291
01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:01,359
Speaker 4: No, it was blue. Homer like talks about the wine

1292
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:05,680
colored sea and the wine colored sky. You go to

1293
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,960
Japanese and all these cultures, there was no blue. We

1294
01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:12,640
literally had to discover the color blue. So what else

1295
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,239
do you think we're not seeing?

1296
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 3: Wow? But studies of ancient texts have shown that humans

1297
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,880
didn't really see blue until modern times. I could have

1298
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:25,079
showed her something about pink. Pink is not real. It's

1299
01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:27,479
not a color it is.

1300
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1301
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,239
Speaker 3: So if color are simply named for a wavelength, pink

1302
01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:32,520
is not one because it's made up of more than

1303
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,399
a one wavelength. So it's actually a mix of red

1304
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,640
and purple light. Yeah, I think this is what right?

1305
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,600
So blue is an interesting color you have the hans

1306
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,479
I think Hans purple, which I think they were using

1307
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,680
as some sort of because that color escapes this dimension.

1308
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:52,199
It escapes the dimension when it's cool to a certain temperature.

1309
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,840
So the ancients were on to some next level stuff

1310
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,000
that we can't even create today. You know, you're talking

1311
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,039
about a pigment from two thousand in three thousand years ago.

1312
01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:04,079
They can't even recreate in a modern lab today. It's

1313
01:16:04,079 --> 01:16:06,920
like they were onto something. But yeah, that's that's I

1314
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:11,119
never under I never looked at it that way, And yeah,

1315
01:16:11,119 --> 01:16:14,000
you can apply that to a lot of things. Right

1316
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,159
If if you're never if there's no word for it,

1317
01:16:16,239 --> 01:16:18,000
how do you know what it is? Right?

1318
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 4: It's like see what we want to see. We're programmed

1319
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:23,800
to see what we should see exactly?

1320
01:16:24,279 --> 01:16:29,199
Speaker 3: Is it Westworld that people only believe the reality of their

1321
01:16:29,159 --> 01:16:30,680
presented or was that Truman show?

1322
01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 4: Truman Show? Yeah?

1323
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you seen the new season of West World?

1324
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:36,159
Is it any good?

1325
01:16:37,039 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 4: No? First season is the one that after that big

1326
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:41,319
drop off?

1327
01:16:42,039 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Miguel, when are you finishing your book on Elvis?

1328
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:47,840
When is that coming out?

1329
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,319
Speaker 4: Pretty much finished? Waiting for the publisher to start putting

1330
01:16:53,399 --> 01:16:55,760
things together or cover all that. I'm sure there'll be

1331
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,079
a whole bunch of edits, but fingers crossed it will

1332
01:16:59,079 --> 01:17:02,000
be out end of this year early next year.

1333
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you've done a lot of work on

1334
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,479
the elvis being a mystic. I mean, I didn't know

1335
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,720
any of that stuff until I started listening to you.

1336
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:11,960
Are you doing it through inner traditions or something, or

1337
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,600
you self publishing it or inner traditions?

1338
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1339
01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:18,359
Speaker 3: Nice, nice, Well that's awesome, Miguel. You want to plug

1340
01:17:18,399 --> 01:17:20,600
anything else before we get out of here. Let the

1341
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,479
people know where they can find your show, where they

1342
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:24,800
can listen to you have a whole bunch of that.

1343
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:26,319
But you've been doing this for a long time.

1344
01:17:26,359 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 4: No, no, yes, a very long time. Didn't go full

1345
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,720
time until two thousand and late twenty eighteen. I think

1346
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,319
that's when I officially went full time instead of just

1347
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,560
periodically throwing stuff out. But it seems like a long time.

1348
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:48,359
But having fun learning you go to the God above

1349
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,119
God or do a bignostic radio.

1350
01:17:51,239 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome. Well, appreciate your time, Miguel. Thank you for

1351
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,359
all you do, and thank you for again. Your show

1352
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,279
was at the core of what Juana Juana is, especially

1353
01:18:02,359 --> 01:18:05,720
on its early days, and I'll be honest with you, macgaut.

1354
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,399
First I hated your intros. I hated them, but because

1355
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,680
they I wasn't there yet, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1356
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:15,520
I wasn't there to really know what you were even saying.

1357
01:18:16,119 --> 01:18:18,159
And then I got to a point I was like

1358
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,079
these intros fucking slap like this is like this, and

1359
01:18:22,119 --> 01:18:24,479
now my favorite part of the show is the intro sometimes,

1360
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,239
you know, like like I want the intro because you're

1361
01:18:27,279 --> 01:18:29,960
just spitting so many things and putting and cut. How

1362
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,439
do you, by the way, how do you do that?

1363
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,199
Because it seems like do you have a database of

1364
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:38,159
clips that you know what they said? Because I'm always like,

1365
01:18:38,199 --> 01:18:40,479
how the hell does he get so many different clips?

1366
01:18:41,039 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 4: Just comes to me, Yeah, I have like a folder,

1367
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,039
but it just kind of comes to me. God has

1368
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:49,600
no idea, no idea, It just kind of came together. Again,

1369
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,119
I don't ask too many questions.

1370
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:53,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1371
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean as as your wife would know it,

1372
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,079
they say in Brazil forsa.

1373
01:18:59,359 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Thank you so much for coming on and again,

1374
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,079
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1375
01:19:05,279 --> 01:19:10,600
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1376
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1377
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:18,159
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1379
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1380
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,039
the show. Appreciate you, guys, and always see you on

1381
01:19:28,119 --> 01:19:28,720
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1382
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,319
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