Speaker 1: This is Dan Kaplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2: You know, he's the key to the GOP.
Speaker 1: Majority and on top of that, very effective at what
Speaker 1: he does. Congressman, welcome back to the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 3: Oh, thanks for so much for taking the time.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, you've obviously got some pull there because now
Speaker 1: you've been waved onto the House Oversight Committee, you get
Speaker 1: to be part of the questioning of Mike Johnston, mayor
Speaker 1: of Denver, and other Democrat mayors on the indefensible sanctuary
Speaker 1: city policies.
Speaker 2: So can you give us a little preview?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just a quick level set. Under the
Speaker 3: first Trump administration, we had Title forty two, which allowed
Speaker 3: for a more efficient process to remove folks who had
Speaker 3: recently and illegally entered the country and rescinded that you
Speaker 3: had liberal leftist municipalities and states like Colorado that cheered.
Speaker 3: Then you had states like Texas there right well, help
Speaker 3: share the load here of this massive influx. And Denver,
Speaker 3: rather than acknowledging the error of their ways, doubled down
Speaker 3: and said, Nope, We're going to give all of this
Speaker 3: free stuff to anybody that comes to Denver, regardless of
Speaker 3: their immigration status, to the point where Denver ends up
Speaker 3: having to slash millions of dollars from critical budgets, Police Department,
Speaker 3: Department of Motor Vehicles, parks, and w rec You know,
Speaker 3: by some estimates, over three hundred million dollars that should
Speaker 3: have gone to American taxpayers were cut and diverted toward
Speaker 3: illegal immigration. And now you know, Mayor Mike Johnson wants
Speaker 3: to walk back his comments about you know, just from
Speaker 3: a month ago about Tenneman Square type of moments where
Speaker 3: he calls out the Denver Police Department to resist federal
Speaker 3: agents coming into Colorado and into Denver. And you know,
Speaker 3: now he's trying to walk back those statements because we
Speaker 3: know that we have a crime, we have a violence,
Speaker 3: and we may have a gang problem. Go look at
Speaker 3: the homicide rate in Denver. Denver's homicide rate in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four was double San Francisco, and we have no
Speaker 3: idea how much of that is related to illegal criminal
Speaker 3: operations in Denver because Denver Police Department is not allowed
Speaker 3: to ask or collect any data about the immigration status
Speaker 3: of folks committing crimes in their city. That sounds like
Speaker 3: a sanctuary.
Speaker 4: City to me.
Speaker 1: Sounds to me like you're ready take the robe off
Speaker 1: and put them in the ring.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: This man's ready to go.
Speaker 1: I love that and obviously well researched, which you'll have
Speaker 1: to be because of my constitutionally protected opinion. Johnston lies
Speaker 1: through his teeth, like he issued a statement yesterday it
Speaker 1: said the wait a second. No, all these new people,
Speaker 1: he calls them newcomers, right, all these new people, they
Speaker 1: didn't affect course services in Denver. They didn't make this
Speaker 1: place less safe. Obviously you've got the receipts. But in
Speaker 1: this format, Congressman, where there's no judge and you've got
Speaker 1: limited time, how do you pin them down? How do
Speaker 1: you not let them fill a buster.
Speaker 2: Out of it?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: Well, the judge is the best judge that we have,
Speaker 3: which is the American people who are going to be
Speaker 3: watching this, the people in Colorado and the people in
Speaker 3: Denver and So it's really just being able to draw
Speaker 3: the line between the facts that we've already established and
Speaker 3: some other critical facts that we know, such as after
Speaker 3: defunding their police department, you know, and even before they
Speaker 3: took money away from the police department for the suit
Speaker 3: legal immigration crisis that they had manufactured, we had a
Speaker 3: pretty severe gang problem in Denver. I mentioned the statistic
Speaker 3: about Denver's homicide rate right now being double San Francisco.
Speaker 3: But Loot, look at Trendy Argua. We're starting to see
Speaker 3: some information come to light that Aurora's problem with Trendy
Speaker 3: Aragau was because Denver kind of, you know, shoved that
Speaker 3: problem across their eastern border. And I've heard that from
Speaker 3: many municipalities, but a lot of times Denver just manages
Speaker 3: to shrug off their problems into some of the surrounding jurisdictions.
Speaker 3: Look at my district, for example, the raid with DEA
Speaker 3: as the lead agency, we're somewhere around fifty Trendy are
Speaker 3: Agua gang members and their associates were arrested at a
Speaker 3: makeshift nightclub in my district. Right These things are all
Speaker 3: tied to sanctuary city and state policies in Denver and trendy.
Speaker 3: Aragua themselves, you know, has acknowledged this. There was some
Speaker 3: intelligence that came to light late last year that said
Speaker 3: the reason they're operating here is because they want to
Speaker 3: make Denver, Colorado their national de facto headquarters. Because we've
Speaker 3: defunded our police department. We have sanctuary city and state laws,
Speaker 3: and when we talk about welcoming everybody regardless of immigration status,
Speaker 3: well that sounds like a really great place to go
Speaker 3: and sent up an international criminal organization, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, evil's evil, it's not stupid, and it gets it.
Speaker 1: Sanctuary means protected, it's protected here. I mean, you know, Democrats,
Speaker 1: as you know, they passed this law that says parole
Speaker 1: probation officers. You know that they handcuff him from cooperating
Speaker 1: with ice K. Have you ever figured out, and I
Speaker 1: know you're a super super smart guy with your law
Speaker 1: enforcement history, why would any of these lefties ever choose
Speaker 1: like that to protect people not only here illegally, not
Speaker 1: only committed other crimes, but it actually been convicted to
Speaker 1: the point they had to have a probation officer. Why
Speaker 1: do you think they're so determined to protect those people
Speaker 1: from being deported?
Speaker 3: I mean, look, at you know, at the national level,
Speaker 3: we just sent the Lake and Riley Act to the
Speaker 3: President's desk, which he signed. In the law which says
Speaker 3: that if somebody illegally present in the country continues to
Speaker 3: commit crimes, in this case the after burglary, those people
Speaker 3: need to be taken into custody and deported. We had
Speaker 3: that bill in previous Congresses, and unfortunately it would never
Speaker 3: go anywhere, typically along party lines. But now, after seeing
Speaker 3: the results of these failed policies, the American people have
Speaker 3: said enough and some of the Democrats at least are
Speaker 3: smart enough to start to see that light. We had
Speaker 3: forty eight Democrats vote with us to pass the Lake
Speaker 3: and Riley Act, whereas just again a few short months
Speaker 3: ago in the pre is Congress, you couldn't get that
Speaker 3: many of them to see the lights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and can't wait to your Hick and Looper explain
Speaker 1: it in the Senate race why he voted against it.
Speaker 1: But congresswoman, look at congressman, pardon me. We had Lauren
Speaker 1: Boberd on in the last segment. But Congressman Gabe Evans
Speaker 1: looking forward to your questioning of Johnston. But now the
Speaker 1: real reason I had you on today Chiefs Eagles. Where
Speaker 1: do you come down on this thing?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, you're gonna ask me the really hard question. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just glad that I can watch a
Speaker 3: little bit more football this year because there's a little
Speaker 3: bit less kneeling going on on the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, amen to that.
Speaker 1: And President Trump will be there, right first sitting president
Speaker 1: to attend a super Bowl, and so I'm glad he's
Speaker 1: going to go down there. But hey, you're killing it there, man,
Speaker 1: great job. Appreciate the time today, and I hope we
Speaker 1: can talk. If not the day that you grill Mike
Speaker 1: Johnston for lunch, I hope we can talk the next day.
Speaker 3: Well, I would love to connect. Ollys enjoy being on
Speaker 3: your show.
Speaker 1: Thanks Congressman. This Congressman Gabe Evans, take care, sir, Thank
Speaker 1: you too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you know what this is the beauty of it,
Speaker 1: right is he not only wins this key swing district,
Speaker 1: but he's really good at this. He's really effective and
Speaker 1: when you look across the state, now, this is so
Speaker 1: good for the GOP as it prepares to try to
Speaker 1: win some statewide seats because you look at the guys
Speaker 1: in gals who won first, they won really important races.
Speaker 1: But they're also really talented, so they're not just going
Speaker 1: to go there and kind of occupy a seat. You know,
Speaker 1: they're really talented. They reflect well on the party, they
Speaker 1: reflect well on the cause, and they're gonna be effective.
Speaker 1: And I think that that doesn't guarantee you the next step,
Speaker 1: but I think it's a real important foundation for the
Speaker 1: GOP starting to win some statewide offices. You just need
Speaker 1: that one, right, you need that breakthrough. But the impressive
Speaker 1: people who won these seats, you know, including obviously gave Evans,
Speaker 1: and their effectiveness, it just just adds to the GOP
Speaker 1: credibility in Colorado. Important building block eight five five four
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Speaker 1: d A N five seven, seventh through nine.
Speaker 2: If you just joined us, thank you. What a great
Speaker 2: day to celebrate.
Speaker 1: We're celebrating this truly monumental you know, President Trump obviously
Speaker 1: signing the EO yesterday no men in women's sports. But
Speaker 1: today the big domino fell and NCAA says, right, okay,
Speaker 1: no more men in women's sports.
Speaker 2: And that's going to have a very.
Speaker 1: Important precedent setting value even for you know, schools outside
Speaker 1: of federal government reach, et cetera. So just just a
Speaker 1: truly historic day for civil rights, for women's rights, for
Speaker 1: sanity in America, for religious liberty, and for confidence in
Speaker 1: the system, because you know, you got a bunch of
Speaker 1: people who voted who don't normally vote for a Republican
Speaker 1: and now it's paid off for them, so they can see, Okay, no,
Speaker 1: this guy, these guys deliver and it makes sense to
Speaker 1: go out and vote. Look at it, got something tangible
Speaker 1: out of it. Let's go to Dave in Lakewood wants
Speaker 1: to talk about the Bears. Got to remind him we're
Speaker 1: on Denver Talk Radio. You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 7: Welcome Dave, Dan, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 8: And it's about Bears and about that FLK.
Speaker 1: So, Dave, can you do me a favor since we're
Speaker 1: doubling up Bears and ELK and we're right up against
Speaker 1: a break?
Speaker 2: Can I take you on the other side?
Speaker 1: Not the other side of life, though I hope to
Speaker 1: see you in heaven, but the other side of this break.
Speaker 2: You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 9: And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 1: I know one tight end sleeping alone.
Speaker 7: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: It's a great honor.
Speaker 10: I think, you know, no matter who the.
Speaker 3: President is, I'm excited because it's the biggest game of
Speaker 3: my life, you know, and having the press there.
Speaker 10: It's the best country in the world.
Speaker 1: Are Travis Kelcey excited President Trump's going to be at
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: First sitting president to attend the Super Bowl?
Speaker 9: Very different reactions from his significant other versus Patrick mahomes
Speaker 9: significant other, who is a noted Trump supporter.
Speaker 1: Isn't that such a beautiful thing? So she's gonna have
Speaker 1: to sit there and listen? I love her music. I've
Speaker 1: been taking my daughter to see her shows since I
Speaker 1: think since Taylor Swift started and my daughter was a
Speaker 1: little little girl, and we still go together.
Speaker 2: And I love the music.
Speaker 1: But isn't it going to beautiful to have to see
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift up there in her box where everybody's usually
Speaker 1: looking at her, right, But now it's going to be Trump.
Speaker 2: She's gonna have to watch all that. That's that's gonna
Speaker 2: be beautiful. You're right. Mahome's happy about it too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's it's always cool to be able
Speaker 6: to play in front of a sitting president, someone that
Speaker 6: is at the top position in our country, and so
Speaker 6: I didn't see that clip, but obviously it's cool to
Speaker 6: hear that he's seen me play football and respects of
Speaker 6: the game that I play.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait until Sunday.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to Dave so Patient in Lakewood, Davire
Speaker 1: on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 8: Welcome, Hey, thanks Dan. You know what's bothering me about
Speaker 8: this elk is that a bear gets in a dumpster,
Speaker 8: they kill it. The elks got there, no problem, It's
Speaker 8: on its own. If it dies, it dies, that's life.
Speaker 6: But you.
Speaker 8: Don't do anything against a wolf, and all of a
Speaker 8: sudden you'll find yourself in jail.
Speaker 5: Well that's right, And I just can't stand it.
Speaker 8: You know what I mean? When the dumpsters are full
Speaker 8: and boulder and the bear gets caught and they euthimize them,
Speaker 8: why don't they find a business for not having enough dumpsters?
Speaker 8: We're not getting it picked. I mean, at my own job,
Speaker 8: we get call in and say, hey, man, come pick
Speaker 8: it up today. We had more waste than we thought.
Speaker 8: And is it really they could easily they could easily
Speaker 8: do that, make the business and get another dumpster and
Speaker 8: not have to kill bears. And I'm telling you if
Speaker 8: this was a wolf out in the snow, they would
Speaker 8: have spent no time and the expense, or all the
Speaker 8: time and all the expense to go out there and
Speaker 8: save this.
Speaker 2: It should bother you, David.
Speaker 1: It speaks well of you that bothers you, because it
Speaker 1: comes back to the same basic principle of the left.
Speaker 1: It's not about what's right and wrong. It's about whether
Speaker 1: you're on their side. So just like if you're a
Speaker 1: criminal in Denver, right, and you're part of a mob
Speaker 1: and you're going to attack the state capitol, Well, if
Speaker 1: you're supporting a leftist cause, well then the governor goes
Speaker 1: into hiding and you're allowed to ravage the capitol and
Speaker 1: he leaves it ravaged for months as.
Speaker 2: A tribute to you, you know.
Speaker 1: But if you're a conservative, hey, you know, you spit
Speaker 1: on the sidewalk and they may never see you again.
Speaker 2: That's a little bit of an overstatement.
Speaker 1: But same thing with animals, right, and you know, like
Speaker 1: with the bears, do you really have to kill him
Speaker 1: when they jump into a garbage can? But with this elk,
Speaker 1: how do you justify because you're right if that had
Speaker 1: been as listeners pointed out, one of Jared Polus's beloved
Speaker 1: wolves brought in to show even more disrespect for our
Speaker 1: farmers and ranchers. If that had been a wolf stuck
Speaker 1: in the snow up to its neck, you know that
Speaker 1: they would have deployed swat teams and so. But you
Speaker 1: got this beautiful elk essentially being tortured to death, stuck
Speaker 1: in the snow up to its neck. The home owner
Speaker 1: calls and the state won't come out.
Speaker 8: I mean, at least if it's suffering like the bear.
Speaker 8: You know, you didn't garbage and you euthanize it. You're
Speaker 8: not going to go save the elk. Well then you know, amen,
Speaker 8: it's misery for God.
Speaker 1: Amen, show that respect for life. Hey, great call man,
Speaker 1: appreciate that. And Ryan, you know what's interesting, It flashed
Speaker 1: me back to before you got here. There was such
Speaker 1: a day hard to imagine, but before you got here,
Speaker 1: there was a big controversy going on in the Metro
Speaker 1: about coyotes. These coyotes were lots of places, killing lots
Speaker 1: of pets, and we had Division of Wildlife saying, oh no,
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about them. You kill one ten
Speaker 1: moral pop up, you know, let nature take its course.
Speaker 2: Kind of crap. Sorry about that. But the point is,
Speaker 2: you know, like we don't.
Speaker 1: Live far from the station. I'd go out in my
Speaker 1: front yard. There'd be three of them surrounding our dog,
Speaker 1: our big dog, and then one took our little dog.
Speaker 1: And you know what, my wife was not having any
Speaker 1: of that Department of Wildlife garbage.
Speaker 2: My wife said, we're killing them.
Speaker 1: And so you know, she she led the way and
Speaker 1: I hired a sharpshooter, all this other it was all
Speaker 1: done by law.
Speaker 2: She came a torch.
Speaker 1: She and you know, I'm trying to remember if Fitzfork
Speaker 1: she actually hired the sharp shooter or got got the
Speaker 1: right agency to do it. Anyway, she led the way
Speaker 1: good and said, no, I'm not letting nature take its course.
Speaker 1: I'm not letting nature take our dogs. And she led
Speaker 1: the way in about every morning for about three weeks.
Speaker 1: I'd hear because I'm up early, and I'd hear, and
Speaker 1: you know what, there are still the occasional kyo. But
Speaker 1: it's not like I have to fight my way through
Speaker 1: the yard to walk the dog. I used to I
Speaker 1: used to have to carry when I was walking the dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1: Used to have to take it out on a regular
Speaker 1: basis the firearm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was.
Speaker 1: It got crazy, but yeah in division awhile I was
Speaker 1: let nature take its course. Garbage. Yeah, no, that was
Speaker 1: a suffering. We are better people than that, and this
Speaker 1: government laziness just we cannot sit back and take that
Speaker 1: eight five to five for zero five A two five
Speaker 1: five the number. Lots of reasons to be happy today.
Speaker 1: I hope you check out at dan Kaplis on Twitter
Speaker 1: because it is.
Speaker 2: It's as if Norman Rockwell was a photographer.
Speaker 1: It's one of the most powerful pictures in presidential history.
Speaker 2: It's just so well composed. It's such a big deal.
Speaker 1: Trump signing the EO that gives women sports back to
Speaker 1: girls and women. So check it out at dan Caplis
Speaker 1: to Twitter, like it, send it somewhere else. People will
Speaker 1: enjoy this photo. It's really special. And then I may
Speaker 1: I may tweet out tomorrow. I may tweet out a
Speaker 1: focused version of it that just zeros in on a
Speaker 1: couple of the little kids, like right next to Trump.
Speaker 2: Did you do that?
Speaker 5: Ryan?
Speaker 1: I know you looked at that photo, but when you
Speaker 1: really zoom in on these two little kids who are
Speaker 1: just standing right now, it is just so cool and
Speaker 1: you know, whatever staffer choreographed all that Isn't that? One
Speaker 1: of the most striking things about Trump two point zero
Speaker 1: is the staffing.
Speaker 2: First time around, it was a zoo.
Speaker 1: It was a I remember sitting in the Trump Hotel
Speaker 1: one night and I'm trying to eat my burger and
Speaker 1: Scaremouci's running around like some kind of true idiot moron,
Speaker 1: just screaming into his cell phone, making a spectacle out
Speaker 1: of himself.
Speaker 2: And he was in the White House at that time.
Speaker 1: And then you got Amirosa and you got this other
Speaker 1: stuff going on.
Speaker 2: This team. Now they have been on all cylinders. Did
Speaker 2: you hear Trump?
Speaker 9: I mean, he's just so like almost wistful, and he's happy,
Speaker 9: he's content. And the girls and the young women they
Speaker 9: kind of crowded in for that photo. And do you
Speaker 9: hear what he said?
Speaker 2: He goes look at Secret Service.
Speaker 9: They're worried about them.
Speaker 2: They're worried about these girls. We got bigger problems.
Speaker 1: Think about it for President Trump, Think think about it.
Speaker 2: It says if he was.
Speaker 1: On the gallows and they had the rope around his
Speaker 1: neck and they were about to pull that plank out
Speaker 1: and all of the sudden, now he's the guy. He
Speaker 1: not only survived it, he's the most powerful person in
Speaker 1: the world. He's the guy in a position to do justice.
Speaker 1: He's the guy in the position to right wrongs. He said,
Speaker 1: four years being pursued like this, being pursued like an
Speaker 1: animal by people misusing the law. He said, four years
Speaker 1: to think about what he would do with every second
Speaker 1: if he got back in. And you see all this
Speaker 1: great stuff he's doing. You see what he said to
Speaker 1: jd Vance the other day, Fans said, he said, how
Speaker 1: many days do we have left? Almost every day he asked,
Speaker 1: how many days do we have left? And he's just
Speaker 1: making everyday count.
Speaker 9: He won and earned that support. And when somebody like
Speaker 9: Al Green goes on the House floor shouting impeachment, I
Speaker 9: don't think the American people have an appetite for that.
Speaker 1: Oh my lord, that it is a one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty Greek degree turn. And it's a great time to
Speaker 1: be alive. It's a great time to be in America.
Speaker 1: The American way is winning now. And so we'll come
Speaker 1: back and we'll touch on some local stuff, including the
Speaker 1: left up and arms. These ice rates, they should be applauding.
Speaker 1: You're on the Dan Capless Show.
Speaker 9: You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast. It's the
Speaker 9: targeted enforcement against known individuals who we've.
Speaker 2: Talked to witnesses.
Speaker 3: When we've reviewed door belt camera, it seems like officers
Speaker 3: were going door.
Speaker 1: To door of a number of places, which doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like targeted enforcements.
Speaker 5: Can you tell us how that worked and if you
Speaker 5: make collateral arrests of people who were.
Speaker 2: Simply civil violators.
Speaker 10: I do not know about the collateral arrests. Again, those
Speaker 10: numbers are still being processed in these apartment complexes based
Speaker 10: on information that we have. We do know that people
Speaker 10: move different apartments, so they may be registered in one
Speaker 10: and they'll move to a different apartment. We were contacting
Speaker 10: everybody in that area looking for the targets that we
Speaker 10: were looking for.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, KUSA thought they had this guy busted.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Hey, wait a second.
Speaker 1: You say you're going in for the legals, but you're
Speaker 1: going every door. Yeah, because they're not all going to
Speaker 1: a crowd into one apartment and they're going to move apartments.
Speaker 2: They're going to try to hide. Wow.
Speaker 1: What a moment of high drama there, and is even
Speaker 1: as law ice responded separately and even the Denver Post
Speaker 1: acknowledged was true. Here, let me give you the quote
Speaker 1: from ICE. Unfortunately, we have to come to the communities
Speaker 1: because we don't get the cooperations we need from the jails.
Speaker 1: It would be so much easier and so much safer
Speaker 1: for our officers if we could take these people into
Speaker 1: custody from a safe environment. But if we have to
Speaker 1: come out in the community to do this, that's what
Speaker 1: we're going to do, beautifully said. So think about it.
Speaker 1: It is Jared Polis, it is Mike Johnston. It is
Speaker 1: the left that is forcing ICE into the communities because
Speaker 1: they actually passed a law that said that even after
Speaker 1: somebody here illegally has committed a crime, created this victim
Speaker 1: or victims has been convicted, they tied the hands of
Speaker 1: Probation and Parole from cooperating with ICE. Think about that.
Speaker 1: They're the ones forcing ICE out into the community. Let's
Speaker 1: go up to beautiful Fort Collins, Colorado. We'll talk to Luke.
Speaker 1: You're on the Dame Kaplish'll welcome.
Speaker 5: Hey, Dan, I just wanted to say that I've interacted
Speaker 5: with a lot of the folks from Colorado Parks and Wildlife,
Speaker 5: and every one of them as being a consummate professional awesome,
Speaker 5: and so I just I don't like the way you're
Speaker 5: kind of painting them all as beer lazy, beercrats and stuff.
Speaker 5: These people work hard, they do the right thing. If
Speaker 5: you look at the picture of that elk, it was
Speaker 5: it was probably in pretty bad shape, and I bet
Speaker 5: that officer knew that animal wasn't going to make it
Speaker 5: no matter what they did.
Speaker 1: Well wait a second, they made it twelve or thirteen hours,
Speaker 1: buried up to its neck and snow, and then they
Speaker 1: cut it up for meat and gave it to people
Speaker 1: to eat, So it couldn't have been sick.
Speaker 5: Uh, Well, it sure looked like it was. Uh. It
Speaker 5: didn't have a lot of fat on them, so it
Speaker 5: was probably starving.
Speaker 2: Oh you're right about that, Luke.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think one of the articles said it
Speaker 1: was starving, So feed it.
Speaker 5: I trust that you know, these guys know what they're doing.
Speaker 5: They're they're they're good. And I just want to defend
Speaker 5: the district wildlife managers that are out there in the
Speaker 5: field doing hard work every day. And you know, we've
Speaker 5: got three hundred thousand elk in Colorado. Probably ten thousand
Speaker 5: of them die every year. We can't be trying to
Speaker 5: save every single one of them.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for raising these points. Stay with me
Speaker 1: while we take them one by one, and then please
Speaker 1: say whatever's on your mind.
Speaker 2: First.
Speaker 1: In terms of individual agents versus bureaucrats, I'm with you
Speaker 1: one thousand percent. I assume that all of these individual
Speaker 1: agents are wonderful. My beef is with the bureaucrats and
Speaker 1: got into that in detail when we devoted the whole
Speaker 1: show to it the other day. You know, these nonsensical
Speaker 1: statements about, oh, it's better for the animal if we
Speaker 1: let nature take its course. I see that as bureaucratic
Speaker 1: laziness that doesn't reflect and I said so at the time.
Speaker 1: I'm not critical of any of the individual agents involved
Speaker 1: in terms of yeah, we're going to have ten thousand
Speaker 1: of these die a year. I don't question your numbers.
Speaker 1: I don't know the numbers. But here's my point, Luke,
Speaker 1: in terms of our decency as a people.
Speaker 2: When we see an animal in.
Speaker 1: Distress right in front of us in somebody's backyard, and
Speaker 1: it's buried up to its neck and snow, it's in pain,
Speaker 1: physical pain, emotional pain, it's dying, then we have a
Speaker 1: chance to help that one. And don't we have an
Speaker 1: obligation at that point just to not watch it linger
Speaker 1: for ten, twelve, fourteen, twenty hours and die a slow
Speaker 1: and painful death.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, that's that's awful to watch an animal
Speaker 5: like that die like that. I just I don't know
Speaker 5: that stid W has the resources to get out there.
Speaker 5: You know, maybe they could have, you know, looked at
Speaker 5: it and shot it.
Speaker 1: Well amen, amen, my brother, if they weren't going to
Speaker 1: save it, put it out of its misery. But just
Speaker 1: respect for living things and respect for animals. That's why
Speaker 1: I was so infuriated at the bureaucratic response of oh,
Speaker 1: let nature take its course, we don't want to startle it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let it die a slow and painful death. And Luke,
Speaker 1: as listeners have said, what do you think would have
Speaker 1: happened if that was one of Jared Polus's precious predator wolves?
Speaker 1: You think they just would have left it there?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 5: I mean they Yeah, I think they would have.
Speaker 1: Oh man, there would have been every you would have
Speaker 1: you'd have had helicopters brought in from out of state
Speaker 1: to rescue that thing, give it a BackRub, feeded steaks,
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever, it took.
Speaker 2: But Luke, you're a good man. I agree with you completely.
Speaker 2: I bet you.
Speaker 1: I bet you the regular agent out there doing their
Speaker 1: job that they're great. And my beef is with the bureaucrats. Hey,
Speaker 1: thanks for the call, man, Okay, thank you, you take care.
Speaker 1: I hope you call again. Eight five five or zero
Speaker 1: five eight two five five the number. This is fascinating
Speaker 1: to me having been on air for give or take,
Speaker 1: I don't know, around thirty years this topic. We devoted
Speaker 1: the whole show to it two days ago and we
Speaker 1: have not really made We haven't raised it today and
Speaker 1: we haven't raised it often since, and people keep texting
Speaker 1: and calling, and that reflects well on people. This is
Speaker 1: the sort of thing that we should be talking about.
Speaker 1: John and Craig, you're on the Dane Kaplis Show.
Speaker 4: Welcome, good evening.
Speaker 2: What are you thinking?
Speaker 4: Well? Background for thirty three years I was. I started
Speaker 4: out as a conservation officer and then I retired as
Speaker 4: a DWM.
Speaker 2: What does that mean DWN.
Speaker 4: District Wildlife manager here and I used to be the
Speaker 4: conservation officers, game boards whatever you want to call them,
Speaker 4: gotcha thirty three years I did that and as a
Speaker 4: field person we were always past. If what like it
Speaker 4: or not, you did it. And a lot of times
Speaker 4: you just did it anyway to dealing with everything from
Speaker 4: elk and snow to well like during in eighty three
Speaker 4: eighty four, the big winter when all the elk, deer
Speaker 4: and antelope were being fed on the Western Slope and
Speaker 4: els place other places. Day in and day out, we
Speaker 4: were out there feeding them, and you know, nature could
Speaker 4: have taken its course and it have wiped out, you know,
Speaker 4: three quarters of the elk and deer herds on Western Slope.
Speaker 4: And there were ranchers that in the North Park area
Speaker 4: that would take the stress and weak fawns and deer,
Speaker 4: deer and stuff down to their barns and they would
Speaker 4: feed them and how they were healthier again and turn
Speaker 4: them loose. Wow, And that concern for the animals that
Speaker 4: goes you know, robin, squirrels, bats, all that stuff I
Speaker 4: got the I got to handle them and we would
Speaker 4: take them to rehabers for to raise and release bear cubs,
Speaker 4: you know, deer fawns the whole nine yards and that
Speaker 4: elk and not knowing the details in that situation and
Speaker 4: not seeing a picture there were elk uh numerous times
Speaker 4: in different places where the w c o's or the
Speaker 4: later the dwms would go out and went a snowmobile
Speaker 4: and excuse me, pack a trail for it so it
Speaker 4: could get out.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: And if I couldn't do it, you know, perhaps you
Speaker 4: had to kill it and put it down as you know,
Speaker 4: being correct, politically correct. Anyway, the fella that called in it,
Speaker 4: I didn't catch it all because I don't get to
Speaker 4: listen all the time about the bear carcasses went a
Speaker 4: lot of this stuff. These animals were always donated if
Speaker 4: there were people that wanted to meet it. Used to
Speaker 4: in the old days you could donate them to the
Speaker 4: county food walker or something like that. But the health
Speaker 4: rule has gotten away and you can't do that. But
Speaker 4: there's always people that wanted any type of road kills
Speaker 4: even and this this caring for the animals isn't just.
Speaker 4: And there was a hurt. There was a dough deer
Speaker 4: or down south or south of Wiggans and it was
Speaker 4: killed on the road and it's fawn was standing there
Speaker 4: next to you know, it's dead mother or in the
Speaker 4: near area. And the supervisor for this area told a
Speaker 4: grander that called in that nature will take its course
Speaker 4: and let that fawn die. And I disagree with your
Speaker 4: last callar that all the people in the field are
Speaker 4: up the snuff. There's a lot of good ones yet,
Speaker 4: but they aren't the same category or class of people
Speaker 4: that were.
Speaker 7: Now taking and working the butts off like you know,
Speaker 7: they're more interested in eight to five and they're eight
Speaker 7: hour days and something, and that's.
Speaker 4: Not true with all of them. There's some really good
Speaker 4: ones out there, but the bureaucracy is something else. You know,
Speaker 4: they're hiring dwm's conservation officers, gay More District widlife manager
Speaker 4: that they don't even none of them. There are some
Speaker 4: that haven't even hundred or fished and they have to
Speaker 4: teach them how to do that.
Speaker 1: Wow, how does that happen? And hey, John, this is
Speaker 1: one of the best calls ever. Can you hold on?
Speaker 1: We have jam lines, but we're up against a break
Speaker 1: and I want to hear you talk as long as
Speaker 1: you want to talk.
Speaker 2: I'm learning a lot. Okay, Okay, Man, thank you. We'll
Speaker 2: come back to our jam lines. You're on the Dan
Speaker 2: Kapla show. Here's Tom Holman when they.
Speaker 11: Come to the cross line of impediment. And that's why
Speaker 11: I'm working very close starting this morning with the Department
Speaker 11: of Justice and where do they cross side line of
Speaker 11: impedement so they may find themselves in pair handcuffs very soon.
Speaker 11: So working with DOG on that because some legal guidance
Speaker 11: that I'm not an attorney, I know what psychops is about,
Speaker 11: I know what crossing that line is. But getting DJ
Speaker 11: back up on that. So that's something we're looking at
Speaker 11: right now.
Speaker 5: Harris.
Speaker 11: We're not going to tolerate anymore. This is not a
Speaker 11: game when we show up these sites.
Speaker 7: This is a.
Speaker 11: Dangerous job for the men and women of Ice and
Speaker 11: Board Patrow and all the DOJ agencies. To have this
Speaker 11: type of interference puts our office at great risk. Not
Speaker 11: only are the officers, it puts the aliens at great
Speaker 11: risk because anything can happen when we take our eyes
Speaker 11: off the goal here. So we're addressing that immediately.
Speaker 10: Today.
Speaker 11: I'm addressing op sets today, operational security and how these
Speaker 11: police are happening. We've already identified how this operation got leaked.
Speaker 11: I'll deal with that.
Speaker 1: This is Tom Homan saying in the longer version of
Speaker 1: this that believes someone had leaked to trend de Arragua
Speaker 1: gang members that the raid was about to occur before
Speaker 1: they were going to raid in Aurora. So we'll follow
Speaker 1: up on that, and as we go back to one
Speaker 1: of the great callers in a long time. At this point,
Speaker 1: Trump has officially broken CNN. Here's their seven o'clock Eastern headline.
Speaker 1: DOSEE teen known as quote big balls has access to
Speaker 1: government systems. At that point, you have officially officially broken CNN.
Speaker 2: That's their seven pm Eastern headline. Hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, holy cow. Well let's go back to John. We
Speaker 1: won't have time to repeat it all here. If you
Speaker 1: missed the last segment, please pick it up off the podcast.
Speaker 1: You'll be glad you did. Just one of the most
Speaker 1: compelling calls ever. John a veteran, he had been a
Speaker 1: veteran in John. Was it Department of Wildlife at the
Speaker 1: time or was it Parks and Wildlife?
Speaker 4: No, there's no parks. It was.
Speaker 3: I hired on the first year.
Speaker 4: Was they separated from parks and it was Divisional Wildlife?
Speaker 4: And I have to maybe correct you on part of this. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that in those days, the Divisional Wildlife was an enterprise agency.
Speaker 4: Whatever they or sold in licenses or from you know,
Speaker 4: funding from different sources. That's what you got to spend
Speaker 4: There was no tax money from the people that actually
Speaker 4: went into it when Parks was stuck onto it by
Speaker 4: no almost said the wrong thing the governor. Yeah, And
Speaker 4: you know you've got tax stuff, and you've got people
Speaker 4: that are more attuned to painting picnic tables and guarding
Speaker 4: the outhhouse than they are with wildlife resources.
Speaker 1: And the reason that I just want to let folks know, John,
Speaker 1: the reason John has been kind enough to call us is,
Speaker 1: you know, we've had three days now if constant conversation.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to talk about the elk that Parks and
Speaker 1: Wildlife left to die, buried up to its neck in
Speaker 1: a backyard up and steamboat buried up to its neck
Speaker 1: and snow. And so I've been outraged by that, so
Speaker 1: of some others. But John, while we can't repeat everything
Speaker 1: you said in the first segment, for those in our
Speaker 1: last couple of minutes together, those who are wondering about
Speaker 1: what wildlife, Parks and Wildlife should do in situations like this,
Speaker 1: what they normally do, how would you summarize that?
Speaker 4: Well, every situation is different, and if circumstances will dictate,
Speaker 4: if that somebody should have responded when I was working.
Speaker 4: If you didn't respond to something like that, unless you
Speaker 4: were homesick and nobody covered for you, somebody would probably
Speaker 4: got written up for it. And he goes back to
Speaker 4: you know, let nature take its course. In eighty three
Speaker 4: eighty four, there were thousands of deer, elk and analyts
Speaker 4: that were fed in Colorado farmers, ranchers and hundreds and
Speaker 4: hundreds of volunteers ranch away feeds, came up and donated,
Speaker 4: came up with a pellet that could be fed to
Speaker 4: wildlife without killing them, and it can be taken care of.
Speaker 4: But that was not nature taking its course. It was
Speaker 4: a compassionate thing to do to protect the wildlife resources.
Speaker 4: Every time a little bat falls out vic tree and
Speaker 4: laying then the sidewalk, okay, that's nature taking its course.
Speaker 4: We were tasked that we had to go pick up
Speaker 4: those things and take them to a rehabber. If it
Speaker 4: could not be saved, we had to dispatch it. And
Speaker 4: you don't get that now. A lot of the dwms
Speaker 4: they don't do that kind of stuff. They won't do it.
Speaker 4: And the control efforts that used to be out there
Speaker 4: with you know, looking for poachers with airplanes, they don't
Speaker 4: do that anymore. Decoy operations where you put out of
Speaker 4: stuff here and you get the guys blasting away at that.
Speaker 4: Now they don't very there might be some I do
Speaker 4: not know the whole state anymore. That was a routine
Speaker 4: thing for us to protect the wildlife resource. But a
Speaker 4: lot of that protecting the resource was somebody calls because
Speaker 4: I've got a squirrel stuck in my chimney. We can
Speaker 4: go get it now. Usually in the cities the pooch
Speaker 4: patrol to take care of that stuff, you know, the
Speaker 4: animal control and they calling, you'd have to go get it.
Speaker 4: There's a one town in Colorado where one of the
Speaker 4: animal control people rescued a great blue heron and a
Speaker 4: stabbing through the hand. Okay, he made the effort to
Speaker 4: save this heron.
Speaker 2: Well that is and what a great way er, John.
Speaker 1: The music means I have to leave now, but I
Speaker 1: have to tell you this has been one of the
Speaker 1: most compelling calls I can remember in years.
Speaker 2: Thank you for what you did over all those years.
Speaker 1: Thank you for your compassion for animals and for talking
Speaker 1: to people about how it should work. Really appreciated. What
Speaker 1: a great caller, Brian, tremendous job behind the glass is
Speaker 1: always Kelly, you're the best and please do join us
Speaker 1: tomorrow on the Dan Capla Show.