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<v Speaker 1>For decades, people have disappeared in the woods without a trace.

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<v Speaker 1>Some blame wild animals, others whisper of creatures the world

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<v Speaker 1>refuses to believe in. But those who have survived they

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<v Speaker 1>know the truth. Welcome to Backwoods Bigfoot Stories, where we

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<v Speaker 1>share real encounters with the things lurking in the darkness bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 1>dog man, UFOs, and creatures that defy explanation. Some make

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<v Speaker 1>it out, others aren't so lucky. Are you ready, because

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<v Speaker 1>once you hear these stories, you'll never walk in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods alone again. So grab your flashlight, stay close, and

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<v Speaker 1>remember some things in the woods don't want to be found.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit that follow or subscribe button, turn on auto downloads,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's head off into the woods if you dare.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get into tonight's story, I want to give

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<v Speaker 1>a little background on how this came to me. About

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<v Speaker 1>three months ago, I got an email from a listener

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<v Speaker 1>named Garrett. He said he'd been following Sasquatch Odyssey and

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<v Speaker 1>Backwoods Bigfoot Stories for over two years, and that he'd

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<v Speaker 1>also been listening to Disturbing History and The Guilty Files

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<v Speaker 1>during his commutes. He told me he'd been sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>something for a long time a decade actually, and that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd never shared the full scope of what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>him because he didn't think anyone would hear him out

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<v Speaker 1>from beginning to end. He said, my shows made him

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<v Speaker 1>feel like maybe somebody finally would. What Garrett sent me

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just one story. It was ten, ten encounters spanning

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<v Speaker 1>roughly ten years, all tied to the same property, the

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<v Speaker 1>same stretch of mountain wilderness in the southern Appalachians. He

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<v Speaker 1>asked me to tell them in order, because, in his words,

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<v Speaker 1>none of it makes sense unless you hear how it started.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what we're going to do. And if this

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<v Speaker 1>goes where I think it's going, you're going to want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear every single one that follows. Here's Garrett in

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<v Speaker 1>his own words. My name's Garrett. I'm fifty four years

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<v Speaker 1>old now and I live in Asheville, North Carolina, though

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<v Speaker 1>that's only been true for the last year or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Before that, I spent the better part of a decade

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<v Speaker 1>splitting my time between a rental apartment near Hendersonville and

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<v Speaker 1>a cabin property about forty minutes east of there, back

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<v Speaker 1>off a state road that doesn't see much traffic past

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<v Speaker 1>the volunteer fire station. I need to explain how I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up at that cabin in the first place, because

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<v Speaker 1>without that, none of the rest of this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to land the way it should. People always want to

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<v Speaker 1>jump straight to the scary part. I get it, but

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to me didn't start with something scary. It

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<v Speaker 1>started with something sad, and I think that matters. I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Gastonia. My dad, Warren, worked at a

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<v Speaker 1>textile plan until it closed in ninety four. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>drove a delivery truck for a restaurant supply company until

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<v Speaker 1>his knees gave out. My mom, Diane, worked at a

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<v Speaker 1>veterinarian's office for almost thirty years. They were good people,

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<v Speaker 1>simple people in the best way that word can mean.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't take big vacations, we didn't eat at fancy restaurants.

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<v Speaker 1>But every fall, without fail, my dad would rent a

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<v Speaker 1>cabin somewhere in the Blue Ridge for a long weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>and the three of us would disappear into the mountains

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<v Speaker 1>with a cooler full of food and a truck bed

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<v Speaker 1>full of firewood. Those weekends shaped me more than anything

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<v Speaker 1>else in my childhood. I can still smell the hickory

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<v Speaker 1>smoke from those fires. I can still hear the way

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<v Speaker 1>the creek behind whatever cabin we'd rented sounded at two

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, when everything else went quiet. My dad

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<v Speaker 1>would sit on the porch with a cigarette and a

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<v Speaker 1>can of Budweiser and just listen. He never said much

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<v Speaker 1>during those trips. He didn't have to. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>mountain said whatever he needed to hear. I carried that

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<v Speaker 1>with me into adulthood, through a marriage that lasted six

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<v Speaker 1>years and ended without any kids, Through a career in

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<v Speaker 1>residential contracting that kept food on the table but never

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<v Speaker 1>really filled me up inside, and through the slow erosion

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<v Speaker 1>of purpose that hits you when you realize you're in

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<v Speaker 1>your early forties alone and doing the same thing every

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<v Speaker 1>single day without any real direction. By twenty thirteen, I

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<v Speaker 1>was running my own small crew doing decks, additions, bathroom remodels.

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<v Speaker 1>The work was steady, but not exciting. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>dog named Bowie, a red heeler mix I'd picked up

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<v Speaker 1>from a shelter outside Marion. He was about four at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, best dog I've ever had. Loyal in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that made you feel like you didn't deserve it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd been casually looking at mountain property for about two years,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing serious, just browsing listings on weekends, saving links. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>never follow up on, telling myself that someday I'd find

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<v Speaker 1>the right spot and make an offer. I think part

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<v Speaker 1>of me knew I was never actually going to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was easier to dream about it than commit to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then my mom passed away. It was February of twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>pancreatic cancer. She had only been diagnosed five months earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss. She went fast, which the doctor said was

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<v Speaker 1>a mercy, though I'll tell you right now there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>merciful about watching your mother disappear in front of you

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of.

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<v Speaker 2>A few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad had already been gone seven years by then,

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<v Speaker 1>heart attack at sixty one, So when Mom died, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't just lose a parent. I lost the last thread

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<v Speaker 1>connecting me to a version of myself that still made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that sounds dramatic. I don't mean it to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the truth. When both your.

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<v Speaker 1>Parents are gone and you don't have a wife or

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<v Speaker 1>kids to anchor you, you start to float and I

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<v Speaker 1>was floating. After the funeral, after the paperwork, after the

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<v Speaker 1>household and the estate was settled, I had about ninety

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars sitting in an account that felt like it

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<v Speaker 1>was burning a hole through my chest. It was my

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<v Speaker 1>parents' money, their whole life, reduce to a number, and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to just absorb it into my rent

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<v Speaker 1>and my grocery bills and my truck payment until it vanished.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do something with it that would have

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<v Speaker 1>made my dad sit back and nod. So I got

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<v Speaker 1>serious about the cabin search. I wasn't looking at real

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<v Speaker 1>estate listings this time. I drove every weekend for about

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<v Speaker 1>two months. I picked a direction and followed back roads

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<v Speaker 1>until I found something interesting. I talked to people at

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<v Speaker 1>gas stations, feed stores, little diners where the coffees burnt

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<v Speaker 1>and the gossip's fresh. I told them I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>for mountain property, something off the beaten path, something with

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<v Speaker 1>land and quiet, and maybe a structure I could fix up.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time people shrugged or pointed me toward

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<v Speaker 1>a realtor's office in town. But one afternoon in April,

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<v Speaker 1>at a hardware store outside Chimney Rock, a guy behind

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<v Speaker 1>the counter named Dennis, told me about Earl. Dennis said

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<v Speaker 1>Earl was eighty two years old, lived alone on forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven acres up a gravel road off the state route,

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<v Speaker 1>and had been talking about selling ever since his wife, Riba,

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<v Speaker 1>passed the previous autumn. He said Earl had built the

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<v Speaker 1>cabin himself in nineteen seventy one and had lived there

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<v Speaker 1>with Riba for over four decades. He said the property

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<v Speaker 1>backed up against national forest land, and that you could

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<v Speaker 1>stand on the back porch and not see another house

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<v Speaker 1>in any direction. Then Dennis leaned over the counter and

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<v Speaker 1>said something I'll never forget. He said, Earl don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to sell to a developer or a vacation rental outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants somebody who'll actually live there, somebody who gives

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<v Speaker 1>a damn about quiet. I asked for directions. Dennis drew

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<v Speaker 1>them on the back of a receipt. Then he added,

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<v Speaker 1>almost as an afterthought, don't go up there expecting Earle

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<v Speaker 1>to shake your hand and give you a tour. He's particular.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to size you up before he says ten words.

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<v Speaker 1>But if he decides you're all right, you'll know. I

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<v Speaker 1>thanked him and bought a box of deck screws I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't need, just to feel like I'd earned the information.

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<v Speaker 1>That Saturday I drove up to see it. The gravel

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<v Speaker 1>road was rough, but not in assable. My truck handled

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<v Speaker 1>it fine, though Bowie slid around in the back seat

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<v Speaker 1>on every curve. It was about a mile and a

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<v Speaker 1>half from the state route to Earl's Gate, which wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really a gate at all. It was two cedar posts

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<v Speaker 1>with a piece of chain draped between them. No lock,

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<v Speaker 1>no sign, just a quiet suggestion that you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>there unless you had a reason. I unhooked the chain,

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<v Speaker 1>drove through, and followed a rutted dirt track through a

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<v Speaker 1>corridor of white pines and tulip poplars for another quarter

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<v Speaker 1>mile before the trees opened up and I saw the cabin.

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<v Speaker 1>It sat on a gentle rise above a cleared meadow,

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<v Speaker 1>facing west toward a long blue ridge that folded into

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<v Speaker 1>itself like fabric. The cabin was built from hand hewn logs,

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<v Speaker 1>dark with age, topped with a green metal roof that

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<v Speaker 1>had gone chalky from decades of sun. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>covered porch across the full front, a stone chimney on

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<v Speaker 1>the south end, and a small barn or workshop maybe

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<v Speaker 1>sixty yards to the right behind the cabin. The ground

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<v Speaker 1>climbed sharply into hardwood forest, mostly oak and hickory, before disappearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Into the ridge line.

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<v Speaker 1>Earl was sitting on the porch in a metal chair

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<v Speaker 1>when I pulled up. He didn't stand. He just watched

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<v Speaker 1>me get out of the truck with the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>patience that belongs to someone who's been alive long enough

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<v Speaker 1>to know that most things reveal themselves if you wait.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a face like a topographic map, deep lines

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<v Speaker 1>running in every direction, skin tanned to the color of

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<v Speaker 1>old leather, and hands resting on the arms of that

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<v Speaker 1>chair that looked like they'd built everything within sight because

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<v Speaker 1>they had. Bowie jumped out after me and trotted toward

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<v Speaker 1>the porch with his tail going. Earle looked down at

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<v Speaker 1>him and said, dealer mix. I said, yes, sir, good dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, Reba wanted one for years. I always told

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<v Speaker 1>her we had enough animals around this place without adding

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<v Speaker 1>another opinion to the mix. That was the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>he said to me, and it told me everything I

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<v Speaker 1>needed to know about the kind of man he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He led with his wife, not the property, not the

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<v Speaker 1>price his wife. I introduced myself, told him Dennis had

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<v Speaker 1>sent me, told him I was looking for a place

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<v Speaker 1>in the mountains, and that I wasn't interested in flipping

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<v Speaker 1>it or renting it out. I told him about my parents,

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<v Speaker 1>about the weekends in the Blue Ridge, about how I

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<v Speaker 1>was a contractor by trade, and that i'd take care

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<v Speaker 1>of whatever he'd built. Earl studied me for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>His eyes were pale blue, almost gray, and they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>blink as often as most peoples do. Then he said,

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<v Speaker 1>come sit down. We sat on that porch for almost

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<v Speaker 1>three hours. Earle talked the way old men talk when

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<v Speaker 1>they'd been alone too long and finally found someone willing

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<v Speaker 1>to listen, not rambling, not lost, just thorough like every

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<v Speaker 1>detail mattered because it was the only way to keep

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<v Speaker 1>something alive. He told me about building the cabin with

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<v Speaker 1>his brother Frank, over the course of two summers. Frank

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<v Speaker 1>had been a mason, and he'd done the chimney while

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<v Speaker 1>Earl handled the law, the framing and the roof. They'd

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<v Speaker 1>cut the timber from the property itself, dragged it with

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<v Speaker 1>a mule named Captain, and notched every joint by hand.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me Frank passed in eighty nine from emphysema,

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<v Speaker 1>and that every time he looked at that chimney he

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<v Speaker 1>could still see his brother's hands in the stone work.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me about Riba, who'd been a schoolteacher in

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<v Speaker 1>the valley before she retired in ninety seven. He said

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<v Speaker 1>And I'd go to the window, and sure enough, he

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<v Speaker 1>shops I'd worked out of table, saw bandsaw drill press,

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<v Speaker 1>a wall of hand tools hanging from peg board. In

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<v Speaker 1>perfect order, everything clean, everything maintained, he said. Reba used

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<v Speaker 1>much time there during the winter months, turning bowls and

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<v Speaker 1>making furniture they didn't need. We walked the property line together,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least the accessible parts of it. Earl moved

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<v Speaker 1>slowly but surely, pointing out landmarks and boundaries with the

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<v Speaker 1>confidence of a man who'd walked every inch of this

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<v Speaker 1>on the nose east corner, a small clearing with a

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<v Speaker 1>her name, her dates, and the words she heard every song.

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<v Speaker 1>Standing at that grave, I felt something shift in my

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<v Speaker 2>This wasn't real estate.

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<v Speaker 1>This was someone's entire life, forty three years of marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>children of seasons, a partnership between two people and the

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<v Speaker 1>land they'd built on. Buying this place meant accepting responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>for all of that. Earl must have seen something change

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<v Speaker 1>in my face, because he put his hand on my

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder the first time he touched me and said, don't

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<v Speaker 1>worry about keeping it the same, just keep it honest.

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<v Speaker 1>He also told me something that I didn't think much

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<v Speaker 1>of at the time, but that I've replayed in my

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<v Speaker 1>head more times than I can count. He said, the

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<v Speaker 1>mountains got its own rhythm. You'll hear things up here

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<v Speaker 1>that don't match anything you know. That doesn't mean something's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It just means you're not the only one out here.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he was talking about bears or coyotes, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the elk that had been reintroduced further west. I

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<v Speaker 1>nodded like I understood, I didn't. We agreed on a

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<v Speaker 1>price that afternoon, seventy eight thousand for the cabin, the outbuilding,

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<v Speaker 1>and forty seven acres. He kept a small family cemetery

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<v Speaker 1>plot on the northeast corner, about a quarter acre where

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<v Speaker 1>Riba was buried alongside his parents and a brother who

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<v Speaker 1>died young. He asked if I'd let him visit it

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<v Speaker 1>whenever he wanted. I told him, of course. We shook

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<v Speaker 1>hands and that was that. Earle moved into a small

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<v Speaker 1>assisted living facility in Marion about six weeks later. I

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<v Speaker 1>helped him load his truck. He didn't take much. A recliner,

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<v Speaker 1>a box of photographs, Reba's quilts, a shotgun that had

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<v Speaker 1>belonged to his father. He left nearly everything else in

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<v Speaker 1>the cabin, including the furniture, the kitchen table he'd built,

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<v Speaker 1>the bookshelf, even some of Reba's canning jars still lined

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<v Speaker 1>up on the pantry shelf. Stay tuned for more Backwoods

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot stories. We'll be back after these messages. When he

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<v Speaker 1>pulled away that afternoon, he stopped at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the dirt track, got out and looked back toward the

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<v Speaker 1>cabin for a long time. Then he got back in

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<v Speaker 1>his truck and drove off. I never saw him do

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<v Speaker 1>that again. Every time he came to visit the cemetery

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<v Speaker 1>after that. He parked, walked straight to RIBA's headstone, sat

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, then left without looking at the cabin.

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<v Speaker 1>Once I think saying goodbye to that place broke something

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<v Speaker 1>in him that never healed. I moved in at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of May twenty fourteen. It took me about two

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<v Speaker 2>By my standards.

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<v Speaker 1>The cabin was solid structurally sound, but it needed updated wiring,

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<v Speaker 1>new plumbing, fixtures, and some patchwork on the porch decking.

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<v Speaker 1>The roof was good, the foundation was good. Earl had

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<v Speaker 1>built something that was meant to last, and it had.

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<v Speaker 1>The interior was one main room with a kitchen along

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<v Speaker 1>the back wall, a living area centered on the stone fireplace,

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<v Speaker 1>and two bedrooms off a short hallway on the east side.

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<v Speaker 1>The bathroom was small but functional, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>root cellar accessed through a trapdoor in the kitchen floor

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<v Speaker 1>that stayed fifty five degrees year round. RIBA's canning jars

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<v Speaker 1>were still down there, lined up on shelves. Earl had

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<v Speaker 1>built from poplar, tomatoes, green beans, pickled okra, BlackBerry preserves.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the jars had dates written on the lids

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<v Speaker 1>in her handwriting. The most recent was from twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>I left them exactly where they were. The kitchen still

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<v Speaker 1>smelled faintly of something floral that I eventually traced to

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<v Speaker 1>a sachet of dried lavender Riba had tucked behind the

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<v Speaker 2>I left that too.

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<v Speaker 1>I replaced the wiring in stages, working room by room,

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<v Speaker 1>pulling out the original knob and tube that Earl had

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<v Speaker 1>installed in seventy one and running new romex through the walls.

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<v Speaker 1>The plumbing was copper, and most of it was fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but the kitchen faucet had a slow drip that had

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<v Speaker 1>stained the porcelain sink with a green mineral streak. I

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<v Speaker 1>swapped the faucet and reseated the shut off valves under

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<v Speaker 1>the sink. The porch boards that needed replacing were on

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<v Speaker 1>the south end, where water had been collecting due to

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<v Speaker 1>a slight dip in the grade. I sistered new joists

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<v Speaker 1>under the worst section, pulled the rotted decking, and laid

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<v Speaker 1>fresh treated pine that i'd sand and stain once it cured.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt good to work on that cabin. Every repair

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<v Speaker 1>was a conversation with Earle. I'd pull a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>trim and find a pencil mark behind it where he'd measured.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd open a wall and see the way he'd framed

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<v Speaker 1>a corner solid and over built the way old timers did,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd nod with respect. The man hadn't cut corners

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<v Speaker 1>on anything. Bowie took to the property like he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>born there. Within a few days, he had a root.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd run every morning down to the creek, across the

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<v Speaker 1>meadow along the tree line on the south side, then

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<v Speaker 1>back up to the porch, where he'd collapse in a

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<v Speaker 1>patch of sun and sleep until noon. He discovered a

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<v Speaker 1>groundhog den near the workshop and spent entire afternoons lying

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<v Speaker 1>in front of it, waiting with the patience of a

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<v Speaker 1>dog who had nothing but time. He never caught the groundhog.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he really wanted to. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>just liked having something to focus on. For the first

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks, I didn't do much besides work on the

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<v Speaker 1>cabin during the day and sit on the porch at night.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd crack a beer, listen to the whipper wheels start

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<v Speaker 1>up around dusk, and watch the ridge go dark. The

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<v Speaker 1>silence was enormous, not empty silence, full silence, the kind

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<v Speaker 1>that has layers, crickets underneath, tree frogs on top, win

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<v Speaker 1>through the canopy, somewhere in the middle and below all

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<v Speaker 1>of it. A hum, not electrical, not mechanical, just the

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<v Speaker 1>sound of a mountain breathing. I called Cliff one evening

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<v Speaker 1>and held the phone up so he could hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>He listened for about ten seconds and said, sounds bored.

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<v Speaker 1>I told him that was exactly the point. I started

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping better than I had in years, eight nine hours deep,

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<v Speaker 1>dreamless sleep. I'd wake up before sunrise feeling like I'd

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<v Speaker 1>been plugged into something restorative for the first time since

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<v Speaker 1>Mom died. I wasn't lying in bed at two in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning running through a list of regrets and what ifs.

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<v Speaker 1>The mountain didn't leave room for that kind of noise.

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<v Speaker 1>It filled up the empty spaces with its own rhythm,

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<v Speaker 1>and the rhythm was slow and steady and ancient. I

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<v Speaker 1>understood during those early weeks why Earl had stayed for

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<v Speaker 1>forty three years, and I understood, in a way I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have before living there, what it must have cost

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<v Speaker 1>him to leave. Then, about three weeks after I moved in,

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<v Speaker 1>the knocking started. I need to be specific about this

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<v Speaker 1>because I know how it sounds, and I know what

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably already thinking. But I'm asking you to stay

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<v Speaker 1>with me here because the way this unfolded is the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I'm writing to you in the first place. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a Thursday evening. I remember that because I'd driven

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<v Speaker 1>down to Hendersonville that morning to pick up a load

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<v Speaker 1>of lumber for the porch repair, and I'd grabbed a

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<v Speaker 1>rotisserie chicken from the grocery store on my way back.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sitting on the porch, eating that chicken straight

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<v Speaker 1>out of the container with my fingers, tossing scraps to Bowie,

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<v Speaker 1>and watching the sun drop behind the ridge. Right around

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<v Speaker 1>eight point fifteen, give or take a few minutes, I

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<v Speaker 1>heard a sharp crack from somewhere up the ridge behind

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<v Speaker 1>the cabin. Not a gunshot, not a limb falling. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a single, hard, percussive strike, like someone had taken

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball bat and slammed it against a tree trunk.

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped chewing, Bowie's ears went up. We both sat

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<v Speaker 1>there and listened nothing. About forty five seconds later, it

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<v Speaker 1>happened again, same direction, same quality of sound, a heavy,

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<v Speaker 1>deliberate impact against wood, then silence. I figured it was

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<v Speaker 1>a hunter or maybe someone target shooting. Way back in

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<v Speaker 1>the National Forest, sound carries funny in the mountains. A

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<v Speaker 1>gunshot two ridges over can sound like it's in your backyard,

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<v Speaker 1>and a tree falling fifty yards away can sound like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a mile off. I went back to my chicken,

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<v Speaker 1>but the next evening it happened again, same time, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes earlier. Two sharp strikes spaced about a minute apart,

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<v Speaker 1>coming from somewhere on the ridge line northeast of the cabin.

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the porch again, and this time I

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<v Speaker 1>actually stood up and walked to the edge of the

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<v Speaker 1>deck to listen. The strikes were clean, focused. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no echo of a gunshot, no crack and roll that

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<v Speaker 1>you get from a rifle. This was impact wood against wood,

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<v Speaker 1>hard and flat and done. I told myself it was

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<v Speaker 1>someone splitting firewood that made the most sense. Maybe there

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<v Speaker 1>was a hunting camp back up in the national forest

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<v Speaker 1>that I couldn't see from the property. People split wood

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<v Speaker 1>in the evening all the time. My dad used to

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<v Speaker 1>do it at dusk because the air was cooler and

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<v Speaker 1>the bugs weren't as bad. But something about the rhythm

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<v Speaker 1>nagged at me. It wasn't the uneven, labored pace of

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<v Speaker 1>almost metronomic two strikes, then nothing like punctuation at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of a sentence. The third evening, I decided to

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<v Speaker 1>which I realized sounds ridiculous, but I'd started to get

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<v Speaker 1>curious the way a person gets curious about a dripping faucet.

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<v Speaker 1>Not scared, just mildly annoyed and wanting to identify the

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<v Speaker 1>source so I could stop thinking about it. At eight

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<v Speaker 1>oh seven, the first strike came. I wrote down the time.

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<v Speaker 1>The second strike came about fifty seconds later. I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>that down too. Then I waited five minutes, ten nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>But at eight twenty three something different happened. A third strike,

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<v Speaker 1>The first two had been sharp and dry, like the

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<v Speaker 1>wood being hit with solid hardwood, old growth dense. This

417
00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>third one was lower, almost hollow, like a dead snag

418
00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>or a rotten stump. I stared at my notepad like

419
00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.079
<v Speaker 1>it was going to explain itself. Bowie had moved from

420
00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:16.880
<v Speaker 1>his spot near my chair to the top of the

421
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.319
<v Speaker 1>porch steps. He was facing the tree line behind the cabin,

422
00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:25.279
<v Speaker 1>ears forward, body, tense, but not aggressive. He wasn't growling,

423
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:28.640
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't barking. He was just locked in on something

424
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.039
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see. I called his name.

425
00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:34.039
<v Speaker 2>He didn't look at me. That was unusual.

426
00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Bowie was responsive to a fault you said his name.

427
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:42.799
<v Speaker 1>He turned every time, but that evening he stayed fixed

428
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.160
<v Speaker 1>on the trees for a solid three or four minutes

429
00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.480
<v Speaker 1>before he finally shook himself and came back to my side.

430
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I scratched his ears and told him it was probably

431
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:53.599
<v Speaker 1>a woodpecker. He looked up at me with an expression

432
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:57.240
<v Speaker 1>that I swear to you communicated something close to disagreement.

433
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<v Speaker 1>Over the next week, the knocking continued every evening without exception,

434
00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:06.119
<v Speaker 1>always between eight and eight thirty, always from the ridgeline

435
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:10.240
<v Speaker 1>northeast of the cabin, Always two or three strikes, spaced

436
00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:13.920
<v Speaker 1>with that same deliberate interval. I'd started timing them with

437
00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:17.119
<v Speaker 1>the stopwatch on my phone. The gap between the first

438
00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:21.400
<v Speaker 1>and second strike was remarkably consistent, forty five to fifty

439
00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:25.480
<v Speaker 1>five seconds every time. I mentioned it to my buddy

440
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Cliff when he called to check in on me. Cliff

441
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:30.279
<v Speaker 1>and I had been friends since high school. He ran

442
00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:33.480
<v Speaker 1>an HVAC business, out of Gastonia and thought I was

443
00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:36.000
<v Speaker 1>half crazy for moving to the mountain in the first place.

444
00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:38.759
<v Speaker 1>When I told him about the knocking, he said it

445
00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:40.640
<v Speaker 1>was probably a rough grouse drumming.

446
00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I looked it up.

447
00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Grouse drumming sounds nothing like what I was hearing. A

448
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.480
<v Speaker 1>grouse drums and a rapid accelerating series that sounds like

449
00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:52.559
<v Speaker 1>a small engine trying to turn over. What I was

450
00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:57.839
<v Speaker 1>hearing was isolated singular impacts, heavy ones. Cliff told me

451
00:24:57.880 --> 00:24:59.920
<v Speaker 1>to set up a trail camera and stop overthinking it.

452
00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.160
<v Speaker 1>I told him i'd think about it. What I actually

453
00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:06.160
<v Speaker 1>did was start walking toward the sound. I want to

454
00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:08.599
<v Speaker 1>explain what was going through my head at this point,

455
00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>because I think it matters for understanding the rest of

456
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the story. I wasn't afraid. I was genuinely not afraid.

457
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:19.319
<v Speaker 1>In my mind, there was a perfectly rational explanation for

458
00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:21.720
<v Speaker 1>the knocking, and all I needed to do was get

459
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:25.119
<v Speaker 1>close enough to identify it. That's how my brain works.

460
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm a contractor. I solve problems by getting my hands

461
00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>on them. If a floor squeaks, I don't theorize about

462
00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.759
<v Speaker 1>it from the next room. I pull up the subfloor

463
00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>and look that same instinct applied here. The knocking was

464
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:42.839
<v Speaker 1>a mystery, and the solution was closer inspection. Looking back,

465
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I realized that attitude was both the best and worst

466
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>thing about me during that first summer. It kept me

467
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.799
<v Speaker 1>from panicking, which was useful, but it also walked me

468
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:55.680
<v Speaker 1>straight into situations I wasn't prepared for, which was considerably

469
00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.079
<v Speaker 1>less useful. The first time I tried walking toward it

470
00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:01.880
<v Speaker 1>was on a Saturday e evening in late June. I

471
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:04.799
<v Speaker 1>left Bowie on the porch, which he was not happy about.

472
00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:07.319
<v Speaker 1>He stood at the top of the steps and barked

473
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.440
<v Speaker 1>twice sharp and pointed, like he was trying to tell

474
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.559
<v Speaker 1>me something specific. I told him to stay and headed

475
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:16.759
<v Speaker 1>up the slope behind the cabin into the hardwoods. The

476
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.440
<v Speaker 1>property line ran along the top of the first ridge,

477
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe three hundred yards from the back of the cabin,

478
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and from there it was national forest as far as

479
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:28.880
<v Speaker 1>you could walk, thousands and thousands of acres of unbroken

480
00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:33.039
<v Speaker 1>mountain wilderness stretching into Pisga and beyond. I'd looked at

481
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.599
<v Speaker 1>the topo maps. There were no houses, no camps, no

482
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:40.720
<v Speaker 1>developed trails within several miles of that ridge line, just forest.

483
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.759
<v Speaker 1>And rock and water and whatever lived in it. I'd

484
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>brought a flashlight, even though it was still light enough

485
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:49.759
<v Speaker 1>to see. The canopy was thick, mostly oak and hickory,

486
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.759
<v Speaker 1>with some beech and tulip poplar mixed in. And once

487
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:55.559
<v Speaker 1>you got about one hundred yards in, the shadows closed

488
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.240
<v Speaker 1>up fast. The ground was steep, covered in leaf litter,

489
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:03.359
<v Speaker 1>and the further I went, the quieter everything got. Not

490
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the kind of quiet that feels peaceful, the kind that

491
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:10.079
<v Speaker 1>feels like something pressed pause. I noticed it in stages.

492
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>First the bird noise dropped off, then the insects. By

493
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.039
<v Speaker 1>the time I was two hundred yards up the slope,

494
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:19.799
<v Speaker 1>the only sound was my own breathing and the crunch

495
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:22.880
<v Speaker 1>of my boots on dry leaves. I've spent a lot

496
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>of time in the woods, and I can tell you

497
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.119
<v Speaker 1>that kind of silence isn't normal. During a summer evening.

498
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>The forest should have been alive, with noise, tree frogs,

499
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Katie did cicadas the last of the evening bird song. Instead,

500
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:39.440
<v Speaker 1>there was nothing, like someone had turned the volume knob

501
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:42.640
<v Speaker 1>all the way down. I made it to the property line,

502
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:45.279
<v Speaker 1>which I'd marked with orange flagging tape the week I

503
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:49.279
<v Speaker 1>moved in. I stood there and waited. At eight eleven,

504
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the first strike came. It was loud, much louder than

505
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.920
<v Speaker 1>it sounded from the porch, and it was close. I'd

506
00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>guess it was no more than two hundred yards from

507
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:02.279
<v Speaker 1>where I stood, somewhere past the property line, up the

508
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:05.680
<v Speaker 1>slope and slightly to the north. The sound was startling

509
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 1>in a way I hadn't expected from the porch. It

510
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:13.400
<v Speaker 1>was a curiosity up here, it was a declaration. The

511
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:17.519
<v Speaker 1>second strike came at eight twelve, same distance, same direction,

512
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 1>But this time, after the sound faded, I heard something else,

513
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.519
<v Speaker 1>a rustling, not wind, not a squirrel scrambling through leaves,

514
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.599
<v Speaker 1>something heavier, something moving through the underbrush with a weight

515
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and cadence that didn't belong to anything small. I stood

516
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.839
<v Speaker 1>completely still. My heart beat was suddenly very present in

517
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 1>my ears. Then a third strike, But this one wasn't

518
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>from up the slope. This one came from behind me,

519
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 1>down the ridge between me and the cabin. I turned

520
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>around so fast I nearly lost.

521
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:51.240
<v Speaker 2>My footing on the leaves.

522
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 1>The flashlight beam swung through the trees and caught nothing

523
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:58.279
<v Speaker 1>but bark and shadow. But I could feel it. Something

524
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>had changed in the air around me. The temperature hadn't dropped,

525
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.839
<v Speaker 1>the wind hadn't shifted, but the space between the trees

526
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:10.359
<v Speaker 1>felt different. Occupied. I'm not a guy who spooks easily.

527
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I spent my whole life in the woods. I've run

528
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>into black bears, copperheads, feral dogs, and one very angry

529
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>wild boar that chased me up a pine tree outside Morganton.

530
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>None of those experiences produced the feeling I had standing

531
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>on that ridge, because with all of those animals, I

532
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.599
<v Speaker 1>understood what I was dealing with. I knew their behavior,

533
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>I knew their limitations, I knew what they wanted. Standing

534
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.480
<v Speaker 1>on that ridge, I didn't know any of those things,

535
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.799
<v Speaker 1>and the not knowing was worse than anything an animal

536
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.839
<v Speaker 1>had ever made me feel. I walked back to the

537
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:46.799
<v Speaker 1>cabin at a pace that was faster than I'd like

538
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>to admit. I didn't run, but I moved with purpose.

539
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Every few steps, I'd stop and listen behind me. Nothing

540
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>no footsteps, no branch snaps, no knocking. Stay tuned for

541
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.640
<v Speaker 1>more backwoods bigfoot stories. We'll be back after these messages.

542
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:08.599
<v Speaker 1>Just that heavy, loaded silence that felt less like the

543
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 1>absence of sound and more like the presence of attention.

544
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.559
<v Speaker 1>When I broke through the tree line and hit the

545
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.799
<v Speaker 1>open meadow, I actually felt my shoulders drop. The relief

546
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.359
<v Speaker 1>of open ground, of being able to see the sky

547
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:23.880
<v Speaker 1>in the cabin, and the whole spread of the clearing

548
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:27.599
<v Speaker 1>was physical. I hadn't realized how tense I'd been until

549
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.799
<v Speaker 1>the tension left. Bowie was standing at the top of

550
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>the porch steps, staring past me into the trees, and

551
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.400
<v Speaker 1>every hair on his back was standing straight up. His

552
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.599
<v Speaker 1>ears were pinned forward, and his body was rigid. Tail

553
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:44.559
<v Speaker 1>low weight shifted onto his back legs. I'd seen him

554
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.119
<v Speaker 1>do that once before, when a feral dog had come

555
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 1>through the neighborhood at our old place in Gastonia. It's

556
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>the posture of a dog who's identified a threat in

557
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.759
<v Speaker 1>his calculating distance. I climbed the steps and sat down

558
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>in my chair. My hands were cold, despite the warm

559
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>even I cracked a beer and held it without drinking,

560
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.200
<v Speaker 1>staring at the tree line until full dark settled over

561
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the meadow like a curtain being drawn. Bowie came over

562
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.119
<v Speaker 1>and put his head in my lap, which he only

563
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.240
<v Speaker 1>ever did when he sensed I was upset. He pressed

564
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>his weight into my legs and let out a long,

565
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.279
<v Speaker 1>slow exhale that sounded almost human. I sat there for

566
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 1>over an hour, turning the experience over and over in

567
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:28.119
<v Speaker 1>my mind. The knocking from behind me, the movement in

568
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:32.079
<v Speaker 1>the underbrush, the silence of the forest, the feeling of

569
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>being in a space that was already occupied by something

570
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see. None of those things individually were unexplainable,

571
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>but together, stacked on top of each other, they formed

572
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.720
<v Speaker 1>a picture I didn't have a frame for. I told

573
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.319
<v Speaker 1>myself I'd walked into the middle of two woodpeckers having

574
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a territorial dispute, or maybe a couple of bucks rubbing

575
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>antlers on trees, or squirrels dropping hickory nuts. I had

576
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>about twenty explanations lined up, and every single one of

577
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:02.279
<v Speaker 1>them fell like a lie. I was telling myself because

578
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the truth was too uncomfortable to sit with. That night,

579
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I didn't sleep well. For the first time since moving in.

580
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.119
<v Speaker 1>I lay in bed with the windows open, listening to

581
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.119
<v Speaker 1>every sound the mountain made, and flinching at things I

582
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>would have slept through a week earlier. An acorn hitting

583
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the roof, a branch tapping against the gutter, the creek

584
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.519
<v Speaker 1>changing pitch when a log shifted, all of it was normal.

585
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.559
<v Speaker 1>None of it felt normal anymore. Over the next two weeks,

586
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.039
<v Speaker 1>I fell into a pattern that I recognize now as

587
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.720
<v Speaker 1>the early stage of obsession. Every evening I'd be on

588
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.279
<v Speaker 1>the porch by seven point thirty, notepad phone with the

589
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Stopwatch app open, a beer I'd barely touch because I

590
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 1>was too focused on listening. I logged every strike, the time,

591
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:52.759
<v Speaker 1>the apparent distance, the direction, the pitch, the interval between impacts.

592
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Here's what the data showed me.

593
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>And I say data loosely because I was a carpenter

594
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>with a notepad, not a scientist with instruments. The knocking

595
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>occurred every evening between June fourteenth and July twenty second,

596
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>without a single gap, not one rain or shine, warm

597
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>or cool, windy or still, the knocking came. The start

598
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>time drifted slightly later as the days got longer, which

599
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:21.119
<v Speaker 1>seemed connected to sunset rather than clock time. When I

600
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>cross referenced my log with the sunset times for our

601
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:27.599
<v Speaker 1>ZIP code, the first strike consistently fell within a twenty

602
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>minute window after official sunset. The number of strikes varied

603
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>between two and five per evening. The source location appeared

604
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.759
<v Speaker 1>to shift, sometimes north, sometimes more to the east, but

605
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>always from the ridgeline or just beyond it. I also

606
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>started noticing something about the nights with more strikes. On

607
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>evenings when I heard four or five impacts instead of

608
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the usual two or three, Bowie's behavior was more pronounced.

609
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 1>His hackles would go up. Earlier he'd moved to the

610
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>hallway sooner he'd refused to go outside for his last

611
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.240
<v Speaker 1>bath throom trip of the night, which meant I'd find

612
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 1>a puddle by the back door in the morning, something

613
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 1>that hadn't happened since he was a puppy. Whatever was

614
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:11.320
<v Speaker 1>happening on those heavier nights, Bowie was reading something I

615
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:17.039
<v Speaker 1>wasn't intensity, maybe proximity, some quality of the situation that

616
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 1>his senses could detect and mine couldn't. And twice during

617
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:24.639
<v Speaker 1>that period the knocking was answered. The first time was

618
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.320
<v Speaker 1>July third. The initial two strikes came from the usual

619
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:32.000
<v Speaker 1>spot on the ridge. Then about twenty seconds after the

620
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.400
<v Speaker 1>second strike, a single heavy crack came from the southwest

621
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 1>across the meadow down toward the creek. It was fainter

622
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:44.719
<v Speaker 1>further away, but unmistakably the same type of sound impact

623
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:50.119
<v Speaker 1>on wood deliberate. The second time was July tenth, same pattern,

624
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>strikes from the ridge, then an answer from a different direction,

625
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.679
<v Speaker 1>this time due west, further down the hollow. That's when

626
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the word communication first entered my th. Thinking I didn't

627
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:04.519
<v Speaker 1>want it there, I pushed it out. I replaced it

628
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:08.440
<v Speaker 1>with coincidence and echo and separate woodpeckers and every other

629
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 1>mundane explanation I could find. But the word kept coming

630
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 1>back because the timing was too perfect, the rhythm was

631
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.320
<v Speaker 1>too consistent, and the answering strikes always came from a

632
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>different location, which isn't how echoes work, and echo returns

633
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:27.199
<v Speaker 1>from the same direction as the original sound bounced off

634
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>a surface. These responses came from new positions southwest due west,

635
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.039
<v Speaker 1>as if something down in the lower part of the

636
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 1>hollow had heard the ridge knocks and replied. I spent

637
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:42.840
<v Speaker 1>an evening at the Hendersonville Library using their Internet to

638
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:46.400
<v Speaker 1>research the phenomenon. I felt ridiculous sitting there in my

639
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:50.559
<v Speaker 1>work clothes, saw dust still in my hair, typing unexplained

640
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:54.079
<v Speaker 1>wood knocking sounds in the forest into a search engine.

641
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>But the results were overwhelming. Thousands of reports, decades of accounts,

642
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>people from every state in the Appalachian Chain, and beyond

643
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:06.360
<v Speaker 1>describing exactly what I was hearing, the consistency of the

644
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 1>report startled me. These weren't all coming from the same

645
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.519
<v Speaker 1>subculture or the same website. They were scattered across forms,

646
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:18.880
<v Speaker 1>research databases, state wildlife agency inquiries, and personal blogs written

647
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:24.039
<v Speaker 1>by people who sounded exactly like me, confused, skeptical, and

648
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>increasingly unable to pretend that what they were experiencing had

649
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:31.440
<v Speaker 1>a simple explanation. Around the middle of July, I started

650
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 1>noticing changes in Bowie's behavior. He'd always been a relaxed,

651
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>confident dog, not anxious, not neurotic. He chased squirrels, swim

652
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:42.960
<v Speaker 1>in the creek, and sprawl on the porch like he

653
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.559
<v Speaker 1>owned the mountain. But over the course of a few

654
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 1>weeks he developed habits he'd never had before. He stopped

655
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:51.159
<v Speaker 1>going past the tree line on the north side of

656
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 1>the property. His morning route, which used to include a

657
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>loop through the first stand of oaks past the meadow,

658
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.199
<v Speaker 1>now stopped at the edge of the grass. He'd stand there,

659
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>nose working, ears rotating, and then turn around and come back.

660
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:09.159
<v Speaker 1>No hesitation, no whimpering, just a calm, deliberate decision not

661
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 1>to go further. He also started sleeping in a different spot.

662
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.840
<v Speaker 1>He'd always slept on a folded blanket near the front door.

663
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Starting around July fifteenth, he moved to the hallway between

664
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.400
<v Speaker 1>my bedroom and the back door, right in the middle,

665
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>like a sentry. And then there was the thing with

666
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>the hackles. Every evening, right around the time the knocking started,

667
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Bowie's hackles would rise, not in response to the sound itself,

668
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:38.559
<v Speaker 1>before it, two sometimes three minutes before the first strike.

669
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.400
<v Speaker 1>His back would ripple and he'd orient toward the ridge.

670
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 1>He was reacting to something I couldn't perceive yet, something

671
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 1>that preceded the sound. I called my buddy Cliff again.

672
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.800
<v Speaker 1>This time I gave him the whole rundown, the timing,

673
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 1>the consistency, the answering strikes, Bowie's behavior. Cliff was quiet

674
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.559
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. Then he said, you think it's

675
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:02.360
<v Speaker 1>a sasquatch.

676
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I told him no.

677
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I told him I thought it was weird and I

678
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.760
<v Speaker 1>couldn't explain it. And that was all he said. Dude,

679
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:12.559
<v Speaker 1>you moved to the middle of nowhere, You're living alone

680
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:14.880
<v Speaker 1>with a dog, and you're keeping a log of mystery

681
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.639
<v Speaker 1>knocking sounds you think it's a Sasquatch.

682
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 2>I told him to shut up.

683
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.559
<v Speaker 1>But after I hung up, I sat in the quiet

684
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>of the cabin and admitted to myself that the thought

685
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>had crossed my mind, not as a serious hypothesis, more

686
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.519
<v Speaker 1>like a shadow at the edge of my peripheral vision

687
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>that I kept pretending wasn't there. I want to be

688
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.039
<v Speaker 1>clear about something. I didn't grow up believing in Bigfoot.

689
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't watch Finding Bigfoot or follow any of the

690
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.960
<v Speaker 1>online communities. My exposure to the subject was limited to

691
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the Patterson Gimlin film, which I'd seen as a kid,

692
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.559
<v Speaker 1>and a few tabloid headlines in grocery store checkout lines.

693
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I was, for all practical purposes, a blank slate on

694
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.679
<v Speaker 1>the topic. I didn't have an agenda. I didn't have

695
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.679
<v Speaker 1>a theory. I had a set of observations that didn't

696
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>fit any conventional explanation, and I was increasingly uncomfortable with that.

697
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 1>What I did next is probably the thing that changed everything,

698
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.719
<v Speaker 1>and looking back, I wish i'd just let it alone.

699
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>On July twenty fifth, a Friday evening, I decided to

700
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.000
<v Speaker 1>test the knocking. I'd been reading a little bit online

701
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.800
<v Speaker 1>by that point enough to know that wood knocking is

702
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>one of the most commonly reported sounds associated with Sasquatch sightings,

703
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>enough to know that researchers sometimes knock back and receive responses,

704
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.400
<v Speaker 1>enough to feel stupid and curious in equal measure. I

705
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.119
<v Speaker 1>want to be honest about where my head was. I

706
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:41.360
<v Speaker 1>still didn't believe I was dealing with the sasquatch. What

707
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.679
<v Speaker 1>I believed was that something was making those sounds, and

708
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.119
<v Speaker 1>that the most efficient way to learn what it was

709
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 1>would be to interact with it. If it was a person,

710
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:54.280
<v Speaker 1>they'd respond like a person. If it was a natural phenomenon,

711
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.559
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't respond at all. If it was something else, well,

712
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.559
<v Speaker 1>I'd cross that bridge when I got to it. I

713
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 1>waited until eight o'clock. The sun was sitting just above

714
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the ridge, throwing long gold light across the meadow. The

715
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.679
<v Speaker 1>air smelled like warm grass and the faintest trace of

716
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.679
<v Speaker 1>honeysuckle from a thicket along the creek. It was a

717
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>beautiful evening, the kind of evening where bad things aren't

718
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.679
<v Speaker 1>supposed to happen. I picked up a piece of oak

719
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.039
<v Speaker 1>firewood from the pile beside the porch, walked about thirty

720
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.840
<v Speaker 1>yards into the meadow behind the cabin and struck it

721
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 1>against a hickory tree hard two times. The impact jolted

722
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.960
<v Speaker 1>up through my wrist and forearm, and the sound was

723
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:38.639
<v Speaker 1>sharper and louder than I'd expected. It rang out across

724
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:40.639
<v Speaker 1>the meadow and echoed off the ridge in a way

725
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.840
<v Speaker 1>that made me suddenly self conscious, like I'd yelled something

726
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.079
<v Speaker 1>obscene in a library. Then I stood there and waited.

727
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Nothing happened for about two minutes. The mountain was quiet.

728
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.280
<v Speaker 1>A crow called from somewhere down the hollow, and then

729
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>went silent. Bowie was on the porch watching me with

730
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.119
<v Speaker 1>an expression that clearly communicated he thought I'd lost my mind.

731
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.920
<v Speaker 1>His head was cocked to one side, ears up, and

732
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.639
<v Speaker 1>if dogs could raise an eyebrow, he was doing it.

733
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Then at eight oh four, a single strike came from

734
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:16.239
<v Speaker 1>the ridge, same spot as always, same sharp, heavy quality,

735
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:21.000
<v Speaker 1>But this time there was no second strike, just one,

736
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and it came within a window of time that felt,

737
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.639
<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better word, responsive. My hands were shaking,

738
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:33.039
<v Speaker 1>not from fear from adrenaline, from the sudden, disorienting sensation

739
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:35.679
<v Speaker 1>that something up on that ridge had heard what I

740
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>did and answered my mind raced through the explanations coincidence, echo,

741
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:45.599
<v Speaker 1>bouncing in some unusual way, another person who happened to

742
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.119
<v Speaker 1>be up there at the same time. But none of

743
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:51.760
<v Speaker 1>those explanations accounted for the timing. None of them accounted

744
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 1>for the fact that the knocking had occurred at the

745
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.320
<v Speaker 1>same time every evening for weeks, and now, on the

746
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:01.639
<v Speaker 1>one evening I'd initiated contact, the pattern had changed. I

747
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 1>knocked twice more. My heart was going so hard I

748
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.119
<v Speaker 1>could feel my pulse in my throat this time, the

749
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:14.159
<v Speaker 1>response came faster, within about forty seconds, two strikes matching mine,

750
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:18.079
<v Speaker 1>same count, same rhythm, but the pitch was different from

751
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:21.280
<v Speaker 1>what I'd produced. Whatever was striking up there was hitting

752
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 1>something much larger than the hickory I was using. The

753
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:27.880
<v Speaker 1>sound was deeper, more resonant, and it carried a weight

754
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 1>that suggested not just a bigger striking surface, but a

755
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>stronger force behind it. I stood in that meadow for

756
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.719
<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds without moving. The implications of what had just

757
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 1>happened were rolling over me in waves. If this was

758
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:44.920
<v Speaker 1>a coincidence, it was an astonishing one. If it wasn't

759
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.880
<v Speaker 1>a coincidence, then something up on that ridge was listening

760
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:52.079
<v Speaker 1>to me, processing what I did, and deliberately matching my pattern.

761
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I knocked three times. I hit the hickory so hard

762
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:57.679
<v Speaker 1>that a piece of bark broke off and fell at

763
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:03.400
<v Speaker 1>my feet. The response was three strikes, measured confident, and

764
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:07.320
<v Speaker 1>this time, after the third strike faded, I heard something else,

765
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:12.519
<v Speaker 1>a cracking of underbrush, distant but discernible, that lasted about

766
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:16.920
<v Speaker 1>three seconds and then stopped movement. Whatever had been striking

767
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>was moving, or something near it was. I wish I

768
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.920
<v Speaker 1>could tell you I handled this moment with composure and

769
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:24.239
<v Speaker 1>scientific detachment.

770
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:25.360
<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

771
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I walked back to the porch on legs that felt

772
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.039
<v Speaker 1>like they belonged to someone else, sat down in my

773
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:34.039
<v Speaker 1>chair and stared at the tree line until full dark.

774
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Bowie came over and put his head in my lap.

775
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:42.320
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't upset exactly. I was recalibrating the world I understood,

776
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>the one with clear categories and rational explanations had just

777
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 1>developed a crack. I didn't knock again that night, but

778
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the evening strikes continued, three of them, spaced at the

779
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 1>usual intervals from the usual spot, as if to say,

780
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>we're still here, whether you knock or not. After the

781
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 1>call and response experiment. I became a different kind of observer,

782
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 1>less passive, more deliberate. I bought a decent pair of binoculars.

783
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I started taking walks along the property line during daylight hours,

784
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 1>looking for anything out of place. I examined trees for markings.

785
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:22.599
<v Speaker 1>I scanned game trails for unusual impressions. I spent an

786
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.199
<v Speaker 1>entire afternoon on my hands and knees along the creek

787
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:29.159
<v Speaker 1>bank searching for tracks. I didn't find anything conclusive during

788
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>those first few searches. A couple of broken branches at

789
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.280
<v Speaker 1>odd Heights, a spot where the bark on a beech

790
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.639
<v Speaker 1>tree had been rubbed raw, and a pattern I couldn't

791
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:38.239
<v Speaker 1>attribute to.

792
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Deer or bear.

793
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.559
<v Speaker 1>But nothing I could point to and say there that's evidence.

794
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.760
<v Speaker 1>The breakthrough, if you want to call it. That came

795
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:49.199
<v Speaker 1>on August second. It had rained heavily the night before,

796
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.599
<v Speaker 1>one of those mountain storms that comes in sideways and

797
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:56.199
<v Speaker 1>turns every slope into a stream. The morning after was

798
00:44:56.199 --> 00:45:00.119
<v Speaker 1>cool and clear and the ground was saturated. Everything was

799
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.440
<v Speaker 1>oft impressionable. Stay tuned for more Backwoods big Foot stories.

800
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:09.199
<v Speaker 1>We'll be back after these messages. I took Bowie up

801
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:11.360
<v Speaker 1>the slope behind the cabin to check on the flagging

802
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.519
<v Speaker 1>tape along the property line. A couple of the markers

803
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.760
<v Speaker 1>had been torn off by the wind, and I wanted

804
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 1>to retie them before I lost track of the boundary.

805
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.519
<v Speaker 1>We were about two hundred yards up the hill, working

806
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.159
<v Speaker 1>our way along a game trail that paralleled the ridge

807
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.519
<v Speaker 1>when Bowie stopped dead. He didn't bark, he didn't growl.

808
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.639
<v Speaker 1>He locked up all four legs, planted head, low, eyes

809
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:38.320
<v Speaker 1>fixed on something off to our left, about thirty yards downslope,

810
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:41.599
<v Speaker 1>near a cluster of rhododendron. I followed his gaze and

811
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:45.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't see anything at first, just wet leaves, dripping branches,

812
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.239
<v Speaker 1>and the gray green tangle of rhododendron. Then I looked

813
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.440
<v Speaker 1>at the ground. There was a track. I need to

814
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.079
<v Speaker 1>describe this carefully because I know how easy it is

815
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:57.480
<v Speaker 1>to dismiss a print as a bear track, or a

816
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.880
<v Speaker 1>boot impression or a trick of the mud. I've thought

817
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:04.239
<v Speaker 1>about this particular print more than any other single detail

818
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 1>of the past decade, and I want you to hear

819
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 1>exactly what I saw. It was pressed into a stretch

820
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.320
<v Speaker 1>of reddish clay alongside the game trail, in a spot

821
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.880
<v Speaker 1>where runoff from the storm had swept the leaf litter

822
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.880
<v Speaker 1>clean and left the surface smooth and exposed. The impression

823
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:23.159
<v Speaker 1>was deep, at least two inches, which told me whatever

824
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:26.559
<v Speaker 1>made it carried serious weight. We're not talking about a

825
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.599
<v Speaker 1>deer or a dog or even a bear. Something this

826
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.440
<v Speaker 1>deep in clay that still had some firmness to it

827
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:36.400
<v Speaker 1>despite the rain, suggested several hundred pounds at minimum.

828
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:37.320
<v Speaker 2>The shape was.

829
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Oblong, not round like a bear's rear pad, not tapered

830
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:44.960
<v Speaker 1>like a boot. It had a clear heel, slightly rounded,

831
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.960
<v Speaker 1>with a defined arch that rose noticeably between the heel

832
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:51.760
<v Speaker 1>and the ball. Five distinct tow impressions were pressed into

833
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the front of the track, spaced wider apart than any

834
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.360
<v Speaker 1>human foot I've ever seen. Each toe had left its

835
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 1>own separate divot I mashed together the way a boot

836
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:06.119
<v Speaker 1>would compress the ground, but individually articulated, like fingers pressing

837
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:10.599
<v Speaker 1>into dough. The big toe was offset slightly inward, angled

838
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:13.320
<v Speaker 1>away from the others, almost like a thumb that had

839
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:14.039
<v Speaker 1>been pushed.

840
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:15.119
<v Speaker 2>To the side.

841
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:18.119
<v Speaker 1>It was also the deepest of the five, which suggested

842
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.840
<v Speaker 1>it bore more weight during the stride. The overall length

843
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and I measured this with a tape measure I had

844
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.480
<v Speaker 1>in my pocket from retying. The flagging was seventeen and

845
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 1>a quarter inches. The width of the ball was just

846
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.159
<v Speaker 1>over seven inches. The depth at the deepest point under

847
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the ball was two and three eighths inches. I'm a

848
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.960
<v Speaker 1>size eleven. I set my boot down beside it, not

849
00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.159
<v Speaker 1>in it, but next to it, carefully, like I was

850
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 1>placing evidence at a crime scene. My boot looked like

851
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:52.159
<v Speaker 1>a child's shoe, not just shorter, narrower. The track beside

852
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.280
<v Speaker 1>mine belonged to a foot that was built on an

853
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:58.519
<v Speaker 1>entirely different scale. I crouched there for several minutes just

854
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 1>looking had captured details I wouldn't have expected. Faint ridge

855
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.960
<v Speaker 1>patterns in the heel area, a slight crease across the

856
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:08.840
<v Speaker 1>arch that might have been a fold in the skin

857
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 1>of the soul, and at the front edge of the

858
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.800
<v Speaker 1>big toe impression, a tiny gouge like a toe nail

859
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 1>had scraped the ground at the end of the step.

860
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.079
<v Speaker 1>This wasn't a hoax. I know people fake tracks. I've

861
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:23.960
<v Speaker 1>seen the videos of guys strapping carved wooden feet to

862
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:27.239
<v Speaker 1>their boots and stomping through creek beds, but those fakes

863
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>are uniform. They're flat bottomed. They don't show individual toe

864
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:35.199
<v Speaker 1>articulation or skin texture, or the kind of depth variation

865
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:38.079
<v Speaker 1>that comes from a living foot flexing against the ground

866
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 1>during natural locomotion. What I was looking at had been

867
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:46.920
<v Speaker 1>made by something alive, something heavy, something bipedal, and something

868
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:50.280
<v Speaker 1>that was not human. I stood there for a long time.

869
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Bowie had moved behind me, which was something he'd never

870
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>done on a walk before. He was always out front,

871
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>always leading, but that morning rust against the back of

872
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.960
<v Speaker 1>my legs and stayed there. I could feel him trembling

873
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.679
<v Speaker 1>through my jeanes. I looked up the trail and there

874
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:11.559
<v Speaker 1>was a second impression, same size, same depth, same five

875
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 1>toad pattern. The stride between the two tracks was roughly

876
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:18.239
<v Speaker 1>four and a half feet. Whatever made those prints had

877
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:21.159
<v Speaker 1>been walking along that game trail sometime during the night

878
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.880
<v Speaker 1>or early morning, probably while the ground was still saturated

879
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:26.000
<v Speaker 1>from the storm.

880
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:27.239
<v Speaker 2>It had come from.

881
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:29.760
<v Speaker 1>The direction of the ridge and was headed downslope toward

882
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:33.559
<v Speaker 1>the back of my property, toward my cabin. I followed

883
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the tracks as far as I could. They continued down

884
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the game trail for about sixty yards before the ground

885
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.599
<v Speaker 1>transitioned from clay to rock, and I lost them. The

886
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:45.159
<v Speaker 1>last visible print was pointed in the direction of the

887
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:48.320
<v Speaker 1>meadow behind my cabin. I hiked back to the house

888
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and sat on the back porch for an hour. I

889
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.679
<v Speaker 1>didn't know what to do with what I'd found. Calling

890
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Cliff seemed pointless. He'd either laugh or worry, and neither

891
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:01.039
<v Speaker 1>of those reactions would help me. Calling the police seemed

892
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:04.519
<v Speaker 1>even more pointless. What was I going to say, there

893
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 1>are big footprints on my property. I could already hear

894
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.559
<v Speaker 1>the dispatcher trying not to laugh. So I did what

895
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.199
<v Speaker 1>I've done with every unsettling thing in my life.

896
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 2>I went back to work.

897
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:18.599
<v Speaker 1>I spent the afternoon replacing the porch boards and tried

898
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:20.719
<v Speaker 1>not to think about the fact that something with a

899
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:23.559
<v Speaker 1>seventeen inch foot had walked past my house in the dark.

900
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:27.880
<v Speaker 1>But that evening I was back on the porch, same spot,

901
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.639
<v Speaker 1>same chair, and for the first time, I wasn't listening

902
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:36.239
<v Speaker 1>with curiosity. I was listening with respect. Whatever was making

903
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:40.199
<v Speaker 1>those knocking sounds wasn't a curiosity anymore. It was a neighbor,

904
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.880
<v Speaker 1>a big one one that moved through my property at night,

905
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:47.280
<v Speaker 1>left tracks that dwarfed mine and communicated in a pattern

906
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:51.039
<v Speaker 1>that suggested intelligence far beyond what I was comfortable admitting.

907
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.199
<v Speaker 1>The knocks came at eight nineteen that evening, three of them,

908
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:59.679
<v Speaker 1>sharp and clean and confident, and when the last one faded,

909
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.719
<v Speaker 1>I could have sworn I heard something else underneath the silence.

910
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Not a sound exactly, more like a vibration, a low,

911
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:10.079
<v Speaker 1>sustained pressure in my chest that came and went in

912
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.039
<v Speaker 1>a single pulse, like a bass note, too deep for

913
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.760
<v Speaker 1>my ears to register, but not too deep for my

914
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.960
<v Speaker 1>body to feel. Bowie whined, the only time he'd made

915
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 1>any vocal response to the evening sounds, a single soft whine,

916
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:27.119
<v Speaker 1>and then he tucked his nose under my arm and

917
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.880
<v Speaker 1>pressed close. I didn't knock back that night. I just

918
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:33.000
<v Speaker 1>sat there and let the dark come down around me

919
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and tried to accept that the world was bigger and

920
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:39.440
<v Speaker 1>stranger than I'd been willing to believe. August moved on.

921
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.519
<v Speaker 1>The knocking continued, though the frequency shifted. Instead of every

922
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.360
<v Speaker 1>single night, it became every other night, then every third night.

923
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:50.639
<v Speaker 1>By the end of the month, it was down to

924
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:53.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe twice a week. I didn't know if this meant

925
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.840
<v Speaker 1>whatever was out there had moved on. Or if it

926
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 1>had simply adjusted its pattern because it knew I was

927
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.800
<v Speaker 1>paying attention. The tracks I'd found had been washed away

928
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:05.119
<v Speaker 1>by subsequent rain within a couple of days. I hadn't

929
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.559
<v Speaker 1>photographed them, which I know is going to make some

930
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.800
<v Speaker 1>people throw their hands up in frustration. I get it,

931
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:14.679
<v Speaker 1>I should have taken pictures, but standing there in that moment,

932
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.599
<v Speaker 1>with Bowie pressed against my legs and my heart thudding,

933
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:20.519
<v Speaker 1>the idea of pulling out my phone and snapping a

934
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 1>photo felt almost disrespectful, like I'd be violating something I

935
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:29.199
<v Speaker 1>know that doesn't make logical sense. But not everything about

936
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.719
<v Speaker 1>this experience was logical, and I've stopped apologizing for the

937
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.320
<v Speaker 1>parts that don't line up with what people think they'd

938
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:39.440
<v Speaker 1>do in the same situation. I started doing more research

939
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:43.360
<v Speaker 1>in the evenings, listening to podcasts. That's actually how I

940
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:47.400
<v Speaker 1>found your shows. I was searching for sasquatching counter stories

941
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:51.599
<v Speaker 1>that felt grounded and real, not sensationalized, and your stuff

942
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:55.239
<v Speaker 1>kept coming up. I listened to about twenty episodes in

943
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:57.559
<v Speaker 1>a row over the course of a week, sitting at

944
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.559
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen table with my laptop and a pot of coffee,

945
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:03.480
<v Speaker 1>and for the first time I heard other people describing

946
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:09.039
<v Speaker 1>experiences that mirrored mine. The knocking patterns, the animal behavior changes,

947
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the feeling of being observed by something that stayed just

948
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:16.800
<v Speaker 1>outside of visual range, the gradual escalation from sounds to

949
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:21.840
<v Speaker 1>tracks to visual contact. I wasn't alone in this. Other

950
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:25.599
<v Speaker 1>people had walked this same path, from skepticism to uncertainty

951
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:29.760
<v Speaker 1>to reluctant belief, and hearing them talk about it, Hearing

952
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.159
<v Speaker 1>the hesitation in their voices and the careful way they

953
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:34.800
<v Speaker 1>chose their words, made me feel less like I was

954
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.519
<v Speaker 1>losing my grip and more like I'd stumbled into a

955
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:40.280
<v Speaker 1>reality that a lot of people already knew about but

956
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:44.199
<v Speaker 1>didn't discuss in polite company. What struck me most.

957
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Was your approach.

958
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.079
<v Speaker 1>You didn't mock the witnesses, You didn't push them toward conclusions.

959
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:51.840
<v Speaker 1>You let them tell their stories at their own pace,

960
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and you treated the details with the kind of seriousness

961
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:58.800
<v Speaker 1>that my experience deserved. That's why I'm writing to you now,

962
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:01.880
<v Speaker 1>and not to some research with a PhD and a

963
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:07.159
<v Speaker 1>theory to protect. September came and the mountains started to change.

964
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.119
<v Speaker 1>The hardwoods along the ridge began their slow turn from

965
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 1>green to gold, and the evenings got shorter, the air

966
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.480
<v Speaker 1>had a bite to it by sundown, and the whipper

967
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:19.400
<v Speaker 1>wheels that had been my nightly soundtrack since May went

968
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:22.880
<v Speaker 1>quiet one by one. The knocking had tapered off to

969
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.639
<v Speaker 1>about once a week by this point, but it hadn't

970
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 1>stopped entirely, and when it came it was different, heavier,

971
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:34.400
<v Speaker 1>more resonant, as if whatever was producing the sound had

972
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.199
<v Speaker 1>moved closer to the property line or was using a

973
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:41.199
<v Speaker 1>larger striking surface. The strikes echoed through the hollow in

974
00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:44.159
<v Speaker 1>a way they hadn't during the summer, partly because the

975
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.320
<v Speaker 1>air was denser and sound travels differently in cold weather,

976
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:50.639
<v Speaker 1>but partly because the force behind them seemed to have increased.

977
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Bowie's behavior had settled into a new normal. He still

978
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.480
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't cross the tree line on the north side, he

979
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.840
<v Speaker 1>still slept in the hallway, but the constant state of

980
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:04.239
<v Speaker 1>alertness from July had eased into something more like vigilance.

981
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:08.239
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't scared. He was watchful, like a dog who's

982
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.960
<v Speaker 1>accepted that there's something out there but has decided it's

983
00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:15.559
<v Speaker 1>not an immediate threat. I respected his judgment. Dogs read

984
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:18.519
<v Speaker 1>the world in ways we can't, and Bowie had never

985
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:22.239
<v Speaker 1>steered me wrong. On the night of September twenty seventh,

986
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I had the encounter that turned everything from abstract to concrete.

987
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:29.599
<v Speaker 1>I'd been doing some evening work in Earl's old workshop,

988
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:33.679
<v Speaker 1>rewiring a light fixture and organizing tools. It was about

989
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.599
<v Speaker 1>nine point fifteen, full dark, and I was heading back

990
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:38.960
<v Speaker 1>to the cabin with a flashlight in one hand and

991
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:41.920
<v Speaker 1>a coffee mug in the other. The night was clear,

992
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:46.039
<v Speaker 1>no moon yet, but the stars were heavy overhead, and

993
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the Milky Way stretched across the sky in a way

994
00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:51.599
<v Speaker 1>you only see when you're truly away from light pollution.

995
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:55.079
<v Speaker 1>I was about halfway between the workshop and the cabin,

996
00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:58.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe forty yards from the back porch, when Bowie started

997
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:02.599
<v Speaker 1>barking from inside the house. Not his normal bark, his

998
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.079
<v Speaker 1>alarm bark, the one he saved for strangers at the door,

999
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.239
<v Speaker 1>or the one time a black bear had gotten into

1000
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:11.559
<v Speaker 1>the trash rapid deep urgent.

1001
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I stopped walking.

1002
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I swung the flashlight toward the tree line, which was

1003
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.079
<v Speaker 1>about seventy yards to my north, and I saw it.

1004
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.440
<v Speaker 1>It was standing between two white oaks at the very

1005
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:25.039
<v Speaker 1>edge of the meadow, right where the grass gave way

1006
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:27.880
<v Speaker 1>to forest. At first, my brain tried to make it

1007
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.360
<v Speaker 1>into a tree, a stump, a shadow, anything that fit

1008
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.480
<v Speaker 1>inside the world I was familiar with. But it wasn't

1009
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:40.039
<v Speaker 1>any of those things. It was a figure upright, broad

1010
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:44.480
<v Speaker 1>and massive. I know those white oaks. I'd walked past

1011
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.719
<v Speaker 1>them one hundred times. The trunks are about fourteen inches

1012
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.760
<v Speaker 1>in diameter, and they stand roughly eight feet apart. Whatever

1013
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.440
<v Speaker 1>was between them filled most of that gap, and it

1014
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:57.719
<v Speaker 1>was tall. The flashlight beam caught it from roughly the

1015
00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:00.639
<v Speaker 1>chest down because the upper portion extended above where I

1016
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:03.719
<v Speaker 1>was aiming. When I tilted the beam upward, the light

1017
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.039
<v Speaker 1>lost definition against the canopy shadow, and I couldn't make

1018
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:09.320
<v Speaker 1>out the top of the figure against the dark leaves

1019
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:12.880
<v Speaker 1>behind it. But based on the proportions I could see,

1020
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and based on the height of the lower branches on

1021
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.000
<v Speaker 1>those oaks, which I later measured at about nine feet,

1022
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:21.519
<v Speaker 1>this thing was somewhere between seven and eight feet tall.

1023
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.639
<v Speaker 1>What I could see was a torso that was wider

1024
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:27.760
<v Speaker 1>than any person I've ever encountered. And I'm not talking

1025
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:32.280
<v Speaker 1>about an overweight person. I'm talking about structural with the

1026
00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:34.639
<v Speaker 1>kind of breadth that comes from a chest cavity. And

1027
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:37.320
<v Speaker 1>shoulder girdle that were built on a scale i'd never seen.

1028
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:41.360
<v Speaker 1>The proportions were wrong for a human. The shoulders, if

1029
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:44.199
<v Speaker 1>that's what they were, started higher than where a man's

1030
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:47.000
<v Speaker 1>shoulders would be relative to the rest of the body.

1031
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:50.760
<v Speaker 1>There was no visible neck. The torso just continued upward

1032
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:53.199
<v Speaker 1>and merged into the shadow where a head should have been.

1033
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:56.719
<v Speaker 1>But I couldn't resolve it against the tree canopy behind it.

1034
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>What I could see was covered in hair. Fur hair.

1035
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.679
<v Speaker 1>There's a difference, and I've spent a lot of time

1036
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:08.320
<v Speaker 1>since that night thinking about it. Fur lies flat and

1037
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.639
<v Speaker 1>has a uniform texture, like a dog's coat or a

1038
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:15.119
<v Speaker 1>bear's pelt. What I was looking at had length to it,

1039
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.519
<v Speaker 1>several inches at least. It hung in a way that

1040
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:22.119
<v Speaker 1>suggested weight and movement, almost like the longer hair on

1041
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:26.760
<v Speaker 1>a horse's flank, but coarser. Where the flashlight hit it directly,

1042
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I could see individual strands catching the light. The color

1043
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.800
<v Speaker 1>in the white beam of my flashlight was dark, not black,

1044
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.400
<v Speaker 1>more like the brown black of old walnut bark after

1045
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:42.280
<v Speaker 1>a rain, that deep saturated color that's almost purple in

1046
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:46.320
<v Speaker 1>certain light. And it wasn't uniform. There were patches across

1047
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:48.599
<v Speaker 1>the chest and what I think were the upper arms,

1048
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:51.400
<v Speaker 1>where the hair was thinner, shorter, and I could see

1049
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:55.159
<v Speaker 1>darker skin underneath, almost like the way a dog's coat

1050
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:58.119
<v Speaker 1>thins out on the belly and inner legs. There was

1051
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.320
<v Speaker 1>also a smell. I mentioned it yet, because it didn't

1052
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.239
<v Speaker 1>fully register until after the encounter was over and I

1053
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:06.320
<v Speaker 1>was sitting on the couch trying to piece together what

1054
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.079
<v Speaker 1>had happened. But there was a smell in the air

1055
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:11.920
<v Speaker 1>that hadn't been there when I'd left the workshop. It

1056
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.840
<v Speaker 1>was sharp and organic, not like a dead animal, not

1057
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.679
<v Speaker 1>like a skunk. It was closer to the smell of

1058
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a wet dog, mixed with something musky and sour, like

1059
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:26.280
<v Speaker 1>old sweat that had dried and been rewhetted. It wasn't overpowering,

1060
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:30.679
<v Speaker 1>It was present, like a signature. The figure wasn't moving,

1061
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:35.440
<v Speaker 1>it was just standing there facing me. I couldn't see eyes,

1062
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.360
<v Speaker 1>but I could feel them. That probably sounds like something

1063
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:40.320
<v Speaker 1>people say to make a story scarier.

1064
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:41.400
<v Speaker 2>It's not.

1065
00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:45.960
<v Speaker 1>It's a physiological response. When something large and alive is

1066
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:49.599
<v Speaker 1>focused on you, your body knows. It's a feeling in the

1067
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:52.960
<v Speaker 1>back of your skull, a tightness between your shoulder blades,

1068
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:56.639
<v Speaker 1>a primal alarm that fires before your conscious mind has

1069
00:59:56.719 --> 01:00:00.000
<v Speaker 1>time to catch up. Every hair on my arms was stained,

1070
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:04.199
<v Speaker 1>My stomach had dropped, My breathing had gone shallow without

1071
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.760
<v Speaker 1>my choosing it. Stay tuned for more Backwoods Bigfoot stories.

1072
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:13.079
<v Speaker 1>We'll be back after these messages. My body was responding

1073
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:16.159
<v Speaker 1>to a threat that my brain was still trying to categorize.

1074
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I stood frozen for probably fifteen or twenty seconds. The

1075
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:24.119
<v Speaker 1>flashlight beam wavered because my hand was shaking. My other

1076
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:26.880
<v Speaker 1>hand was still holding the coffee mug, and I became

1077
01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:29.519
<v Speaker 1>aware of it only because the coffee was sloshing over

1078
01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:32.960
<v Speaker 1>the rim and dripping onto my boots. Inside the cabin,

1079
01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Bowie was losing his mind, barking, scratching at the back door,

1080
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:40.960
<v Speaker 1>throwing himself against it. The sound of his nails on

1081
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 1>the wood was frantic, desperate, and it was the only

1082
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:47.400
<v Speaker 1>thing besides my own heartbeat, that felt real in that moment.

1083
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Then the figure moved. It didn't lunge, it didn't charge.

1084
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:58.039
<v Speaker 1>It turned slowly, deliberately, like someone turning away from a

1085
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:02.400
<v Speaker 1>window when they realized they'd been noticed. One shoulder rotated backward,

1086
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:05.400
<v Speaker 1>and then the entire mass of it pivoted and stepped

1087
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:10.000
<v Speaker 1>into the trees. The movement was fluid, unhurried. There was

1088
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:14.320
<v Speaker 1>no stumbling, no crashing through brush, just a smooth, rolling

1089
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:16.480
<v Speaker 1>step that covered more ground than it should have for

1090
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:20.760
<v Speaker 1>a single stride. I heard one footfall, a single heavy

1091
01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:23.760
<v Speaker 1>compression of leaves and forest floor that sounded like a

1092
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 1>sand bag being dropped from waste height.

1093
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:27.960
<v Speaker 2>And then it was gone.

1094
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:31.280
<v Speaker 1>The darkness between the trees closed behind it, like water

1095
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:34.679
<v Speaker 1>filling a space where a stone had been. The whole event,

1096
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.639
<v Speaker 1>from the moment I saw it to the moment it disappeared.

1097
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Lasted maybe thirty seconds, but those thirty seconds demolished ten

1098
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:46.119
<v Speaker 1>years of casual assumptions about what does and doesn't exist

1099
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:49.800
<v Speaker 1>in the woods of western North Carolina. I went inside.

1100
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I locked both doors, which I'd never done since moving in.

1101
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I closed every window. I pulled the curtains on the

1102
01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.719
<v Speaker 1>backside of the cabin, the ones Riba had hung that

1103
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I never bothered to touch. Then I sat on the

1104
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:05.559
<v Speaker 1>couch with Bowie pressed against me so hard I could

1105
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:08.760
<v Speaker 1>feel his heart beat through my leg. He was trembling,

1106
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:12.679
<v Speaker 1>so was I. The coffee mug was still in my hand.

1107
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:15.519
<v Speaker 1>I set it on the end table and watched the

1108
01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:19.119
<v Speaker 1>remaining coffee ripple from the shaking. My mind was doing

1109
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:21.440
<v Speaker 1>that thing it does when you've witnessed something that doesn't

1110
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:24.519
<v Speaker 1>have a category. It was cycling through the same set

1111
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:27.760
<v Speaker 1>of questions on repeat, like a computer stuck in a loop.

1112
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:29.480
<v Speaker 2>What was that?

1113
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:34.159
<v Speaker 1>And underneath the loop, a quieter voice was answering, you

1114
01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:37.519
<v Speaker 1>know what that was. You've known since the knocking started.

1115
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:40.480
<v Speaker 2>You just didn't want to admit it. I picked up

1116
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:41.159
<v Speaker 2>my phone.

1117
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Three times to call Cliff, put it down three times.

1118
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:47.639
<v Speaker 1>What was I going to say? Hey, I just saw

1119
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:50.440
<v Speaker 1>something seven feet tall standing at the edge of my meadow,

1120
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:53.000
<v Speaker 1>covered in hair, and it looked at me and then

1121
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:56.119
<v Speaker 1>walked into the forest. Cliff would have driven up to

1122
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.039
<v Speaker 1>the mountain, loaded me into his truck, and taken me

1123
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to get my head exam and I wouldn't have blamed him.

1124
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.039
<v Speaker 1>I didn't sleep that night. I sat in the dark

1125
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:08.519
<v Speaker 1>living room with every light off, listening. I don't know

1126
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:12.480
<v Speaker 1>why I turned the lights off instinct. Maybe if something

1127
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:14.880
<v Speaker 1>was out there watching the cabin, I didn't want to

1128
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:18.119
<v Speaker 1>be backlit against the windows. Or maybe I just wanted

1129
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:21.360
<v Speaker 1>the darkness inside to match the darkness outside, so there

1130
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:24.280
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a boundary between me and whatever was out there.

1131
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. People don't always make rational decisions after

1132
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:32.360
<v Speaker 1>an experience like that. Around midnight, I heard the knocking,

1133
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:37.840
<v Speaker 1>two strikes distant from the ridge, same as always, but

1134
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:41.599
<v Speaker 1>this time there was something after the strikes. A vocalization,

1135
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.800
<v Speaker 1>not a howl, not a scream, A sound I still

1136
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:50.840
<v Speaker 1>can't properly describe, even now, ten years later. The closest

1137
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I can come is this. Imagine someone with an impossibly

1138
01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:57.320
<v Speaker 1>deep voice trying to hum and moan at the same time,

1139
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:01.079
<v Speaker 1>sustaining the note for about four seconds, with a slight

1140
01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:03.880
<v Speaker 1>warble at the end that dropped in pitch before cutting

1141
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:07.480
<v Speaker 1>off abruptly. It wasn't like any animal I've ever heard,

1142
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:11.079
<v Speaker 1>and I've heard plenty. It wasn't a coyote chorus or

1143
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:14.360
<v Speaker 1>a bobcat's screech, or a barn owl's rasp or a

1144
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:19.239
<v Speaker 1>fox's bark. It had a tonal quality to it, a richness,

1145
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:21.800
<v Speaker 1>like a sound that was being produced by something with

1146
01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:24.599
<v Speaker 1>a chest cavity the size of a barrel and vocal

1147
01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:28.599
<v Speaker 1>cords that could vibrate at frequencies human anatomy can't achieve

1148
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:32.159
<v Speaker 1>it came from the direction the figure had disappeared into,

1149
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:37.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe a quarter mile away, maybe less. Distance is hard

1150
01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:40.480
<v Speaker 1>to judge. At night, Bowie lifted his head off my

1151
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:43.199
<v Speaker 1>lap when the sound reached us. He stared at the

1152
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:46.280
<v Speaker 1>back wall of the cabin for about ten seconds. Then

1153
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:49.000
<v Speaker 1>he laid his head back down, pressed his nose into

1154
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:52.199
<v Speaker 1>my arm, and closed his eyes. I think in that

1155
01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:54.840
<v Speaker 1>moment he made his peace with whatever was out there.

1156
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I envied him for that, because I was a long

1157
01:04:57.960 --> 01:05:02.679
<v Speaker 1>way from peace. That was September twenty seventh, twenty fourteen,

1158
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the night I stopped being a skeptic, The night the

1159
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.440
<v Speaker 1>knocking stopped being an abstract puzzle and became the calling

1160
01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:13.719
<v Speaker 1>card of something real, something breathing, something that had been

1161
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.920
<v Speaker 1>watching me settle into its territory for months. The remaining

1162
01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:20.880
<v Speaker 1>days of September and the early weeks of October passed

1163
01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:24.199
<v Speaker 1>in a strange haze. I kept working on the cabin,

1164
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I kept running my contracting jobs down in Hendersonville. I

1165
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:30.920
<v Speaker 1>kept feeding Bowie and sitting on the porch and living

1166
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:34.719
<v Speaker 1>my life. But everything had a different texture now. The

1167
01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:38.960
<v Speaker 1>mountain hadn't changed I had. I was seeing the same

1168
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:41.840
<v Speaker 1>landscape through a different lens, and I couldn't go back

1169
01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:45.119
<v Speaker 1>to the old one. I found myself studying the tree line.

1170
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Every time I walked between the cabin and the workshop.

1171
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I'd scan the shadows for shape and movement, looking for

1172
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the outline of something upright where upright things shouldn't be.

1173
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:58.119
<v Speaker 1>I never saw it again during those weeks, but the

1174
01:05:58.159 --> 01:06:01.719
<v Speaker 1>feeling of being observed didn't leave. It would come and go,

1175
01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:06.119
<v Speaker 1>sometimes strong, sometimes faint, but it was always somewhere in

1176
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:09.519
<v Speaker 1>the background, like a radio station you can't quite tune

1177
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:13.960
<v Speaker 1>in but can't quite ignore. The knocking continued intermittently through

1178
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:18.599
<v Speaker 1>October and into November, before going quiet around Thanksgiving. I

1179
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:21.800
<v Speaker 1>assumed the cold had driven whatever was responsible deeper into

1180
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:25.599
<v Speaker 1>the mountains, into the vast interior of the National Forest,

1181
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:28.960
<v Speaker 1>where the terrain gets steep and wild and humans rarely go.

1182
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know yet how wrong that assumption was, but

1183
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:35.880
<v Speaker 1>that's a story for another time. I'm going to stop

1184
01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:38.039
<v Speaker 1>here for now, because this is where the first chapter

1185
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:42.039
<v Speaker 1>ends and the second one begins. Everything I've described so

1186
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:46.480
<v Speaker 1>far was the introduction, the feeling out, the overture, if

1187
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:49.119
<v Speaker 1>you want to think of it that way. What came

1188
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:52.159
<v Speaker 1>next and what kept coming for the next nine years

1189
01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:56.559
<v Speaker 1>is the part I've never told anyone. The garden, the voice,

1190
01:06:57.239 --> 01:06:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the tracks in the snow, the night the dogs were

1191
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:03.679
<v Speaker 1>and come back, the woman across the creek, the thing

1192
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:07.480
<v Speaker 1>my grandfather buried. Except in my case, it's the thing

1193
01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Earl never told me about but should have. I'm trusting

1194
01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:13.360
<v Speaker 1>you with this because your show's made me feel like

1195
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:17.320
<v Speaker 1>you'd actually listen, not just to the scary parts, but

1196
01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to all of it, the boring parts, the confusing parts,

1197
01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:24.199
<v Speaker 1>the parts that made me question everything I thought I knew.

1198
01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:27.280
<v Speaker 1>So if you're willing, I've got nine more of these

1199
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:32.320
<v Speaker 1>to share, and they only get stranger from here. Garrett Hendersonville,

1200
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:36.519
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. That was part one of Garrett's story. And

1201
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about you all, but when I finished

1202
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:41.559
<v Speaker 1>reading that email for the first time, I sat back

1203
01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:44.840
<v Speaker 1>in my chair and just stared at the screen. Because

1204
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:49.559
<v Speaker 1>everything Garrett described, the graduated approach, the knocking patterns, the

1205
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:53.960
<v Speaker 1>animal behavior changes, the eventual visual confirmation, all of it

1206
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:56.719
<v Speaker 1>tracks with some of the most credible long term encounter

1207
01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:00.320
<v Speaker 1>reports I've come across in nearly forty years of researching

1208
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:04.079
<v Speaker 1>this subject. I've talked to hundreds of witnesses over the years,

1209
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:09.199
<v Speaker 1>people from every background, every state, every walk of life.

1210
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:11.639
<v Speaker 1>And the ones that stand out, the ones that keep

1211
01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:14.519
<v Speaker 1>me up at night, are the ones like Garrett, the

1212
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.119
<v Speaker 1>ones who didn't go looking for this, the ones who

1213
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:19.399
<v Speaker 1>bought a piece of property and started hearing things they

1214
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:23.439
<v Speaker 1>couldn't explain and tried, really tried to find a normal

1215
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:26.199
<v Speaker 1>answer before the evidence piled up too high to ignore.

1216
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:29.439
<v Speaker 1>What gets me about Garrett's account isn't the sighting at

1217
01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:32.800
<v Speaker 1>the end, though that's compelling on its own. It's the

1218
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:36.319
<v Speaker 1>patience of the thing he's describing. Whatever was on that

1219
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:40.039
<v Speaker 1>ridge didn't announce itself, It didn't try to scare him off.

1220
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:44.279
<v Speaker 1>It established a pattern, It let him notice it gradually,

1221
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:48.159
<v Speaker 1>and when he knocked back, it matched him. That's not

1222
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:53.359
<v Speaker 1>territorial aggression. That's not random animal behavior. That's something testing

1223
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:56.399
<v Speaker 1>the waters. And the fact that it stood there at

1224
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:59.079
<v Speaker 1>the edge of his meadow, watching him walk between the

1225
01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:03.079
<v Speaker 1>workshop and the cat and then just turned and walked away,

1226
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:06.560
<v Speaker 1>that tells me something important. It could have stayed hidden.

1227
01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:10.319
<v Speaker 1>It chose to be seen, but it also chose not

1228
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:11.039
<v Speaker 1>to approach.

1229
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:14.359
<v Speaker 2>Why. What's the calculation there?

1230
01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:18.079
<v Speaker 1>We're going to find out because Garrett's second account, the

1231
01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:20.960
<v Speaker 1>one about the garden, goes to a place I wasn't expecting.

1232
01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:23.800
<v Speaker 1>And the further we go into this series, the more

1233
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:43.399
<v Speaker 1>you're going to understand why he kept quiet for ten years.

1234
01:10:24.960 --> 01:12:21.079
<v Speaker 1>Did the game time

1235
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:36.439
<v Speaker 2>Bo
