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<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody, tonight's episode of Wrestle Magic, we are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about under push stars. We're gonna have a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of fun tonight. Of course, we being the gardener

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<v Speaker 1>and Dariel and myself. So without further ado, guys, how

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<v Speaker 1>are we doing tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>Dariel, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Doing?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I like to hear. By the way, do

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<v Speaker 2>you have a monitor? What do you? What do you?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you go by?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the gardener because I love the garden. What about you, Dariel?

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<v Speaker 3>I never really thought of one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then I guess maybe we should let the listeners

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<v Speaker 2>name you. That's kind of like how I got my name,

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<v Speaker 2>because everybody knows I'd love to grow hot peppers, and

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<v Speaker 2>I made some really awesome Carolina reapers this year. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to keep going with that flow. How

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<v Speaker 2>about you, Mav? How you doing? Brother? Maintenance? Mav?

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<v Speaker 4>Just another day and maintenance?

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<v Speaker 1>Man, things have been interesting lately, I'll say that much.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't give too much away. You guys know how

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<v Speaker 1>that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I understand that, But what are you going to return?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I feel like I'm kind of back, right

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<v Speaker 1>now for whatever it is that we're doing, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that we can be a part of this

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<v Speaker 1>for the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyways, yeah, let's get right into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yes, tonight we're talking about under Pushed Stars Gardner,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to start off man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, So there's a person that I was really

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<v Speaker 2>a big fan of, but they killed the character off

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<v Speaker 2>because of the way that they had portrayed him during

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<v Speaker 2>the timeline of what was happening in real history. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about none other than and this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be controversial, Mohammed Hassan. First of all, the man

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<v Speaker 2>who portrayed Mohammed Assan was actually Italian, and while his

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<v Speaker 2>life in ww was his, his wife's span in WWE

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<v Speaker 2>was very short. He exuded a weird charisma. He could

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<v Speaker 2>get under everybody's skin. He could do He was great

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<v Speaker 2>in the ring. He wasn't I mean, he wasn't Rob

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<v Speaker 2>Van damn flippy, He wasn't Randy Orton captivating, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>seeing punk charisma. But he had a little bit of each.

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<v Speaker 2>He had about thirty percent of each, well ninety percent,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had something. The way he portrayed his character

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<v Speaker 2>of the anti you know, the person that had what

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<v Speaker 2>he felt was reverse racism. It was an interesting character,

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<v Speaker 2>and I honestly think that the money in the character

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<v Speaker 2>would have been eventually a face turn. However, it never

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<v Speaker 2>got to be that long because WWE wasted him by

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<v Speaker 2>using him in a terrorist angle against the Undertaker and

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<v Speaker 2>then using what seemed to be terrorists as henchmen right

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<v Speaker 2>after bombings in London.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh God, that just seems way too far man.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is, they had this filmed, it was

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<v Speaker 2>in the can. They could have cut it out, they

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<v Speaker 2>could have put somethingthing else, and there's other ways to

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<v Speaker 2>do this. Now, wwe' has always claimed, well, we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know about the bombings until the day of things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always he she it. So they sent him back

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<v Speaker 2>down to OVW down here in Louisville, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they released the guy, but it wasn't his fault. And

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<v Speaker 2>basically I think I don't know which network it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say it might have been still up

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<v Speaker 2>and at the time they said, if this guy's still

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<v Speaker 2>on your show, we're canceling your show. Now. They weren't

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<v Speaker 2>big on massd wrestlers at the time, but throw the

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<v Speaker 2>guy a mask and let him wrestle somebody else. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no reason a fire man who clearly he could do

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<v Speaker 2>some stuff in the ring, and he had something on

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<v Speaker 2>the mic. There's ways of repack somebody. They just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>give that benefit. They were just so afraid of being

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<v Speaker 2>canceled by the network. Where okay, switch them over to

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<v Speaker 2>raw in USA under a mask. Wait six months. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel that the man had way more potential than they

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<v Speaker 2>ever untapped. And I feel that, like, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you could have made him. I know, mass wrestling is,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess some say pass. I still kind of miss

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<v Speaker 2>some of my mass wrestlers. You go down to Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want you to have a bare face, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking different dynamics here. So he bounced around. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the man became a school teacher. God bless him.

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<v Speaker 2>He educated people. He does wrestling conventions and things like

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<v Speaker 2>that to this day. But I mean, he educates people.

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<v Speaker 2>He even felt bad about the whole angle. He didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when he knew what was happening on TV

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<v Speaker 2>versus what he had filmed. He knew that his career

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<v Speaker 2>was over. That was not fair to somebody as buddingly

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<v Speaker 2>talented as he was. So I really feel that Mohammed

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<v Speaker 2>Asan was given a bad hand of cards, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that wwe could have done better, especially knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>they had it in the can, and they could have

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<v Speaker 2>done something to fill those twenty minutes. There's always a way.

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<v Speaker 2>They love their talking sentiments, There's always a way. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's my number one. Any guys, any thoughts on Mohammed Asan.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, he was definitely a heat generator for sure. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>I do think that the fact that they chose to

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<v Speaker 5>make that character was in poor taste, just given everything

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<v Speaker 5>that's been going on with the political climate at that time.

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<v Speaker 5>That was just a terrible idea and to scapegoat to

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<v Speaker 5>a dude's career or I don't know, some really bs patriotism,

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<v Speaker 5>It was just kind of it was not a savory

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<v Speaker 5>thing to experience. And I mean I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>a teenager when he was on TV, and even then

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<v Speaker 5>I was just like, I don't know about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>That the whole patriotic angles and everything. It always kind of,

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<v Speaker 1>especially nowadays, it falls a little more flat than it

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<v Speaker 1>used to. But we're not in the days of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Cold War and we need American number one all the

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<v Speaker 1>time sort of thing. So it does just seem like

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<v Speaker 1>just a bad idea. That's one of those things that

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's a yeah, you're going to generate heat,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, but it's not good heat. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>have somebody go out there dress as a klansman, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get you any kind of good heat.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna get ran out of town, which you know

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<v Speaker 1>might be good for that night for TV, but after

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<v Speaker 1>that it's like you might have just ruined that person's life.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not going to go well for them anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh yeah, on from that, uh Dariel, who would

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<v Speaker 1>you like to add him?

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<v Speaker 5>So normally I would just I didn't save the big

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<v Speaker 5>one for less, but this one's pretty pretty important to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Knyan the Innovator of Offense.

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<v Speaker 5>Kanon did not get treated well in the w w E,

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<v Speaker 5>mostly due to the fact that he was gay and

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<v Speaker 5>they really did a terrible job, did a terrible thing.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a terrible job, just terrible thing, and like burying

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<v Speaker 5>him so hard and just kind of making an absolute

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<v Speaker 5>mockery of him, and then the nickname the Innovator of

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<v Speaker 5>Offense was as not as true as you could get

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<v Speaker 5>for this guy, because if you look at all the

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<v Speaker 5>indie wrestlers, he basically walked so they could run everything

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<v Speaker 5>that you see indie wrestlers do nowadays. So it's something

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<v Speaker 5>that Kenyon did in w CW. Like as far as

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<v Speaker 5>turbule neck breakers, as far as modified spinebusters like sit

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<v Speaker 5>out spinebusters, the flatliner. Everyone has a flat liner finisher,

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<v Speaker 5>everyone everyone has one, and he was the dude that

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<v Speaker 5>really like pioneered that. And as far as like his character,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, he was a goofball. He was silly as

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<v Speaker 5>all get out, but he made up for the silliness

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<v Speaker 5>when he stepped in the ring. You saw it every

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<v Speaker 5>night that he was in the ring, Like he had

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<v Speaker 5>great mite skills and despite the overbite that he had

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<v Speaker 5>that kind of created a bit of a list for him.

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<v Speaker 5>It it was more or less masked by the fact that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, he's from the East Coast, so he just

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<v Speaker 5>kind of had like a typical East Coaster accent and

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<v Speaker 5>just you know, had a little effect to it. But

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, the dude had a great look. I mean

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<v Speaker 5>he was like six ' four six y five or something.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a big dude. He had a great physique.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean when he showed up as Mortis, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>this dude's like a Mortal Kombat sque character and demonstrated

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<v Speaker 5>all of his skill with that character. And then when

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<v Speaker 5>the mask came off, you know, he's done like a

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<v Speaker 5>hat and the denim cut off, and you know, he

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<v Speaker 5>had so much personality and it's hard to find someone

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<v Speaker 5>like that nowadays. That just came off as that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>unique and organic. He just he always has something to

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<v Speaker 5>show people. And like the Jersey Triad, you know, he

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<v Speaker 5>had DDP in his corner.

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<v Speaker 2>He had great little tru that that could have went

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<v Speaker 2>far in the Attitude era in w if they would

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<v Speaker 2>have put those three together right.

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<v Speaker 5>But unfortunately, because the company WCW got bought out. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>just about every wrestler got buried, other than the ones

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<v Speaker 5>that really got over, just because they were too big

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<v Speaker 5>of an attraction to just throw to the wayside. And

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<v Speaker 5>they didn't see that in Canyon, even though, come on,

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<v Speaker 5>he had the catchphrase, and anybody who's a wrestling fan,

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<v Speaker 5>you say, who's better?

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone else should go than Canyon.

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<v Speaker 5>And let's be real, I don't think there were too

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<v Speaker 5>many people that were better than him at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a unique skill set. And I remember the

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<v Speaker 2>first city he got over it and do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is? I do not Lexington, Kentucky. He came

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<v Speaker 2>out and he said, so, I want to ask all

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<v Speaker 2>you Wildcat fans who's better than Canyon? And they all

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<v Speaker 2>screamed nobody. He grabbed the mic. He said, they loved me,

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<v Speaker 2>really loved me, right, like he.

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<v Speaker 5>Was a character, just just as a person. You could

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<v Speaker 5>tell that the dude just was a character. But he

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<v Speaker 5>was unfortunately troubled by being a closeted man and a

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<v Speaker 5>very hyper masculine and honestly in some a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>ways tossically masculine industry. But it didn't detract from his

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<v Speaker 5>skill in every aspect of the business.

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<v Speaker 4>I do have one question about him.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Kenyan's a little bit before my time, but I

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<v Speaker 1>know a little bit about him. Wasn't he part of

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<v Speaker 1>a tag team called like Men at Work or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh with Joey Maggs. Oh it was bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point that I wanted to make here was

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it nineteen ninety five when WWE was coming out

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<v Speaker 1>with all these stupid occupation gimmicks that just nobody cared about.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Kinge's a dentist.

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<v Speaker 1>There was plumbers and stuff like that, and nobody could

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<v Speaker 1>really relate to them. But thing is with men at work,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, even if that might have worked, why are

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<v Speaker 1>we doing that in what was it like ninety eight

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<v Speaker 1>or some thing? It just didn't make any sense. I

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<v Speaker 1>never really idea.

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<v Speaker 2>The ironic thing about that is when he came out

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<v Speaker 2>as Mortis. So first of all, do you guys know

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<v Speaker 2>why he was Mortis?

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<v Speaker 4>Blood Runs Cold?

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<v Speaker 1>That video game that was supposed to come out, it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be Glacier Mortis, And wasn't there a

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<v Speaker 2>With Glacier Wrath who turned out it was? It was

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<v Speaker 2>who was also yeah, right, so Adams. It was Brian Clark.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Adams was Crush who ended up being his tag partner.

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<v Speaker 2>So the idea that Eric Bishoff came up with was

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<v Speaker 2>that Mortal Kombat was so big that they would create

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<v Speaker 2>these characters and they were going to be main inventors.

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<v Speaker 2>But people were buying it because Glacier was DS's in

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<v Speaker 2>the ring and that means the drizzling s words and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he was god awful garbage, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>worst performers I've ever seen in my life. But we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to go there. And you know, they've even

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<v Speaker 2>interviewed Canyon. He's like, okay, look, you look terrible in

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<v Speaker 2>the ring. You strike a pose and walk around with it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, it's gotten old. You look terrible, and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>booed them, and then they tried to push them one

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<v Speaker 2>time where they had the nWo in the ring and

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<v Speaker 2>some of the WCW guys came to the ring, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the Blood Runs Cold guys came to the ring,

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<v Speaker 2>and they kept zooming on the Blood Runs Cold guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and the fans kept booing because they mostly would focus

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<v Speaker 2>on Glacier. So, and if you know my story about

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<v Speaker 2>the time I met Glacier, it's kind of funny. But

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<v Speaker 2>the point is, do you know, well, obviously we all

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<v Speaker 2>know like how talented Canyon was. And The Innovator of

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<v Speaker 2>Offense was a knockoff on Tommy Dreamer's nickname of the

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<v Speaker 2>Innovator of Violence because they had him tagging up with

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<v Speaker 2>Perry Saturn at the time. However, he did innovate a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things. He did come up with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of moves. There were two different versions of the flat liner.

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<v Speaker 2>One was like a fay asser over the second rope

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<v Speaker 2>or from the second turnbuckle, and then the second one

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<v Speaker 2>was the face first and he was the one who

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<v Speaker 2>did it the best. Jeff Jarrett couldn't do it. The

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<v Speaker 2>misssures Hell can't do it. He can't do a damn thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you know the three famous people I can

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<v Speaker 2>name that Canyon trained as wrestlers.

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<v Speaker 4>I can name the young bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe we're trained by him, but I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 1>they're like probably the most famous.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they would be the most famous. That's two of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's one more.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know the last woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Dariel.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't tell you.

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<v Speaker 5>Brian Cage interesting, Oh okay, yeah, I just saw an

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<v Speaker 5>interview about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so in the in the nineties to early

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<v Speaker 2>two thousands, there was a wrestling game was like on

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<v Speaker 2>a disc. It was all tech based that you can

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<v Speaker 2>get for a PC like a Microsoft PC, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was called WLS and you would put together your card

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<v Speaker 2>and then it would generate your car to give you

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<v Speaker 2>how everything happened. It was really cool. We used to

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<v Speaker 2>do e feds all the time back then, using this

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<v Speaker 2>as a system, and in between it would give you

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<v Speaker 2>different facts about real wrestlers. It'd be like, mister j

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<v Speaker 2>L's actually Jerry Lynn. Mister uh well, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>fun facts. And this is not meant to be controversial.

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<v Speaker 2>It is like it said, it is known that Raven

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<v Speaker 2>is actually homosexual. Well, if you ever watched the Dark

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<v Speaker 2>Side of the Ring with Canyon and some interviews with Raven,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll find out that when Canyon moved across the United

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<v Speaker 2>States between wrestling gigs, he had a lot of his

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<v Speaker 2>adult material in his moving basket above his car. What

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<v Speaker 2>he got to his play it's spilled over and his

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<v Speaker 2>brothers found it and they're like, what's all this, And

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<v Speaker 2>so he blames it on Raven. He said, Raven must

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<v Speaker 2>have ribbed me. This was a joke, and so he called.

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<v Speaker 2>He called Raven right away and he said Raven, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm gay. And Raven's like okay, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>so you don't carry He's like, no, I don't carry,

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<v Speaker 2>you're my friend. So Raven took that heat, not necessarily heat.

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<v Speaker 2>I would call luke warm, but that followed his career

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<v Speaker 2>for a while. He became like an underground rumbling there's

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<v Speaker 2>your canyon moment of the day, and so he was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, if it's gonna protect you from your family,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take care.

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<v Speaker 3>Of it fair enough, even being a stand up dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell you, Yeah, I should asked him about that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really realize at the time. But anyways, so

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<v Speaker 1>back on the subject of our UH stars who weren't

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<v Speaker 1>really pushed as much, so person that I want to

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<v Speaker 1>throw into there, who they still the chance I'll say that,

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<v Speaker 1>But the first one I'm gonna say is Ricochet.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna be honest with you, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he was one of the best that

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<v Speaker 1>I had seen between Lucia Underground, between his work in Japan.

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<v Speaker 4>Even some of his WWE stuff was still good, but

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<v Speaker 4>it felt like a neutered version of Ricochet.

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<v Speaker 1>And that kind of did bother me to see it

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<v Speaker 1>that way, because I mean, seeing Prince Puma back when

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<v Speaker 1>Lucia Underground was still a thing, man, that was incredible,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you see these talents kind of going to

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<v Speaker 1>waste and not doing anything. Really, I think the last

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<v Speaker 1>thing that he did in WWE is he was like

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<v Speaker 1>a speed champion or something. I barely think he got

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<v Speaker 1>what tag titles and maybe then you're continental if that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if he got that, honestly, but

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of bothered me just to see like this

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<v Speaker 1>guy had so much potential. It was so incredible, and

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<v Speaker 1>WWE snatched him up just so they could sit him

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<v Speaker 1>on a shelf and say, Okay, nobody else can have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're going to make sure that nobody else is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to push you for this entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't use him against us because we have you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all they really did with him. It bugged me

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<v Speaker 1>so much inside. I still get really annoyed just thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, because he was such a star with so

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<v Speaker 1>much promise, and I wish they would have just let

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<v Speaker 1>him be him and really be the star that he

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<v Speaker 1>could have been.

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<v Speaker 4>Any thoughts goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, you want to take it for cereal.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen a lot of Ricochet.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely an insanely talented dude, and I feel like someone

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<v Speaker 5>of his caliber, I think it's gonna be a little

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<v Speaker 5>hard for him to thrive in an environment like the

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<v Speaker 5>WWE because you know, it's still kind of the big

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<v Speaker 5>man's game there. You don't really have a whole lot

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<v Speaker 5>of divisions for him to wrestle in outside of like Conn.

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<v Speaker 3>Nettle and you know us and all that.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think his move to ae W was a

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<v Speaker 5>really smart one in the sense of, like, Okay, you

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<v Speaker 5>are now in an environment where you can get you

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<v Speaker 5>get to thrive in the way that you should.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>How he's being used there right now, so it's a

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<v Speaker 5>little it's still a hazy area for me. But everything

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<v Speaker 5>I've seen in Ricochet has been impressive. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 5>dude does things that as I've heard the Undertaken say it,

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<v Speaker 5>and if you see them do it, it looks like

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<v Speaker 5>stuff straight out of the video game. And he does

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<v Speaker 5>it flawlessly, and he has a great look.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. It's just I feel the WWE definitely tends to.

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<v Speaker 5>Mistreat a lot of talent by not giving them any

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<v Speaker 5>type of platform to like showcase their skills or limiting

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<v Speaker 5>what they can do.

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<v Speaker 2>I would agree with you on that. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that's the basis of this this obvious conversation that we're

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<v Speaker 2>having for this podcast. I would like to say that Ricochet.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw him back in like twenty fifteen. I started

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<v Speaker 2>studying independent wrestlers who I thought were going to break

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<v Speaker 2>through the bubble, and minus one wrestler, everybody I predicted

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<v Speaker 2>went to WWE, and that one wrestler's Ar Fox, and

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<v Speaker 2>ar Fox is just as amazing as Ricochet. He's just

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit older, and his build is and is

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<v Speaker 2>exactly flattering, but he can do some amazing things. So

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<v Speaker 2>with that being said, his matches with will Osprey, some

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<v Speaker 2>of the ones from the past in Japan and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that, we're a little too cartoony, they were a

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<v Speaker 2>little too they're indiish, that's fair, honest. Yes, yes, they

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<v Speaker 2>did way too many high spots, but you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy is like talented out the frame. They thought that

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<v Speaker 2>they had the next Ray Mysterio on him and they

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<v Speaker 2>tried to definitely WWE him. When he was first introduced

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<v Speaker 2>to WWUE audiences in NXT, they introduced him as Trevor Man,

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<v Speaker 2>his real name, like, oh here's Trevor Mann. You might

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<v Speaker 2>know him as Ricochet, and I was like, Trevor Man

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<v Speaker 2>means nothing to people. Ricochet means something to people. If

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<v Speaker 2>you have one hundred thousand followers who know you as

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<v Speaker 2>Ricochet and zero followers is Trevor Man, you're starting from

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<v Speaker 2>nothing or you're starting from something. And so they went

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<v Speaker 2>with the Ricochet, which I liked. And you can't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you can actually trademark that because it's a word.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like trademarking tree, you know. So the matches he

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<v Speaker 2>had were great. Some of the people he put over

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<v Speaker 2>were not so great. I think that he was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>a wasted talent. But at least he got miss Irvin

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<v Speaker 2>and she's really hot and good for you, Ricochet, God

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<v Speaker 2>bless you. She's so beautiful. Seriously, you know the way

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<v Speaker 2>I like him have Also, I will say that with

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<v Speaker 2>he being in AEW, they need to concentrate on his strengths.

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<v Speaker 2>He does definitely need to work on his promo skills

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<v Speaker 2>because his promos are mediocre best, they're not great. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that he could have a strong promo if he

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<v Speaker 2>actually concentrates on it a little bit more. He does

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<v Speaker 2>that he could be pushed up into the upper echelon

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<v Speaker 2>like will Osprey is. It wouldn't hurt for him to

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<v Speaker 2>put on about fifteen more pounds. I know it might

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<v Speaker 2>limit his aerial ability, but not every move needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be a high spot. And if he did what WW

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<v Speaker 2>did with him and not make every move his high spot,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be okay. So that's what I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see for him. I just think that, like the

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<v Speaker 2>sky's the limit.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, fair enough, I do agree.

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<v Speaker 1>However, I do have one thing to say about that,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is they could give him just another mouthpiece,

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<v Speaker 1>really and have him go back to the Puma gimmick

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<v Speaker 1>and it would actually work.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, you know, Prince Puma in Luca Underground,

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<v Speaker 1>he was pretty well received at the time. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>he was fine at the time. You know, not everybody

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<v Speaker 1>really needs to be a mouthpiece, but to have a

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<v Speaker 1>good mouthpiece, you know, if they were to stick somebody

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<v Speaker 1>like Hayman or MVP with him, it could work pretty well,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say. But not to take away from what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying, his promo work definitely needed some help for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's a good, good trivia question for you guys then,

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<v Speaker 2>or not trivia question, But who do you make his mouthpiece?

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<v Speaker 2>Because MVP, if you're gonna image Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin,

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00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.519
<v Speaker 2>you don't have room in your stable for Ricochet. Now,

422
00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:43.960
<v Speaker 2>if Armando Alejandro Alessandro is still floating around somewhere in

423
00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:49.559
<v Speaker 2>the ethos of the world and he's not signed to WWE,

424
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:54.440
<v Speaker 2>that could be your mouthpiece right there. I mean, I

425
00:23:54.640 --> 00:24:00.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know very much, or he swears strictly goes over,

426
00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:05.319
<v Speaker 2>which will turn it turn into an internal battle between

427
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Bobby Lashley and Strickland over who's the real leader. In

428
00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the meantime, Prince Nana takes over Ricochet. What do you

429
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:13.680
<v Speaker 2>think of that?

430
00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:16.480
<v Speaker 4>Guys can actually work a little bit.

431
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:20.359
<v Speaker 3>With Ricochet.

432
00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.920
<v Speaker 5>I think it would probably be best if they just gave

433
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:29.039
<v Speaker 5>him a valet that core too, you know, like.

434
00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Because you don't.

435
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:35.559
<v Speaker 5>Necessarily need to have like the promoter there, but you

436
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:38.680
<v Speaker 5>give him. I don't know, and I hate saying this,

437
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:41.759
<v Speaker 5>but some eye candy to go with the gimmick.

438
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:44.680
<v Speaker 3>It's like, cool, you have two people that can get

439
00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:46.640
<v Speaker 3>over you know.

440
00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.279
<v Speaker 2>The perfect person for that, ever, since they split up,

441
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:54.480
<v Speaker 2>would be Britt Baker. She has a poison tongue that would.

442
00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Be really interesting.

443
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, now that I think about it, Britt Baker would

444
00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>be perfect.

445
00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:01.039
<v Speaker 2>For that, especially the way she like, yeah, she can

446
00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:03.279
<v Speaker 2>get other people's skin. I think that Britt Baker would

447
00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:05.799
<v Speaker 2>be the perfect person, and then that sets up a

448
00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:09.799
<v Speaker 2>feud with Adam Cole. Those could be good matches. If

449
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Adam Cole could ever get healthy, that could be really awesome.

450
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:14.880
<v Speaker 4>Actually, yeah, I could see that.

451
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:17.640
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, moving on, we don't need to stick on

452
00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Ricochet for much longer.

453
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:21.720
<v Speaker 4>Gardner, who you got next?

454
00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:21.880
<v Speaker 3>Man?

455
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:25.720
<v Speaker 2>All right, so he's back on TV, but he was

456
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:28.480
<v Speaker 2>on heatus for almost ten years. And I think that

457
00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:30.880
<v Speaker 2>this guy was supposed to be pushed to the heavens,

458
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:33.799
<v Speaker 2>except they dropped him in a dumpster and said, and

459
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go with Carlito, and I'm gonna tell you why.

460
00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:41.599
<v Speaker 2>First of all, signing Carlito was not only just a

461
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:43.480
<v Speaker 2>move because of his talent, but it was also a

462
00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:48.160
<v Speaker 2>move because of the political agreement with Puerto Rico. Now

463
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.200
<v Speaker 2>the agreement with Puerto Rico, the WWC, Carlos Cologne owns it.

464
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:57.759
<v Speaker 2>That's the father of Carlito. He basically would hide talent

465
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:01.440
<v Speaker 2>down there. If Vince in the nineties needed to rehab

466
00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 2>somebody or get them ready for TV, if he wasn't

467
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.400
<v Speaker 2>using Memphis and didn't want to put him on ECWTV,

468
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:09.480
<v Speaker 2>he would ship them down to Puerto Rico and let

469
00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:13.000
<v Speaker 2>them work in front of these large stadium on audiences. Okay,

470
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:21.480
<v Speaker 2>so his liaison in the nineties was Savio Vega and

471
00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:24.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the people that they brought up just

472
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:26.960
<v Speaker 2>they fizzled out, but then they struck gold with Carlito. Now,

473
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:31.440
<v Speaker 2>let's look at something. Carlito's debut on both Raw and SmackDown,

474
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:33.680
<v Speaker 2>even though it's the same company, it's just different shows

475
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:36.119
<v Speaker 2>on each show. Didn't he beat John Cena for a

476
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.559
<v Speaker 2>title on each? Correct me if I'm wrong.

477
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:40.720
<v Speaker 4>I feel like he has.

478
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe it was US title of one inter

479
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Continental on the other, and.

480
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:48.359
<v Speaker 3>Then yeah, I remember him being to US champion for

481
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:48.839
<v Speaker 3>a while.

482
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Does anybody know why his title is called or why

483
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:54.920
<v Speaker 2>his finishers called the backstabber?

484
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.680
<v Speaker 5>I mean, apart from the fact that he drops you

485
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:00.279
<v Speaker 5>on your back on his knees.

486
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 2>No math and he bruiser. Brody was killed in WWC,

487
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:16.640
<v Speaker 2>his father's organization, stabbed in the kidneys by Jose Gonzales.

488
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>They say that his father was always in on it.

489
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:25.319
<v Speaker 2>You can listen to dutch Man Tel, you can listen

490
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.640
<v Speaker 2>to all these famous podcasters and they will tell you

491
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:30.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean Tony Outlets will tell you the story that

492
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Tony Alis had to sleep on the beach that night

493
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 2>because he was afraid that he was going to get

494
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 2>killed too. It's called the backstabber because that was the

495
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.839
<v Speaker 2>move that was used to kill Bruiser Brody and his

496
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>father's organization. Let that one sink in for a second.

497
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:50.240
<v Speaker 2>The guy had all the talent in the world. He

498
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:54.200
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be basically the third in the line

499
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:58.960
<v Speaker 2>of the John Cena Randy Orton, Who's the next guy

500
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. You had Batista in there. Carlito had

501
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.880
<v Speaker 2>everything but his attitude and knowing that he could go

502
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>back down to Puerto Rico and rain in hell as

503
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.839
<v Speaker 2>opposed to serve in heaven in WWE is what made

504
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:14.960
<v Speaker 2>him so dispensable to them. And that's when they turned

505
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>him into a comedic character. He was supposed to be

506
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.480
<v Speaker 2>a heal. He went all across the country, dressing as

507
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:23.759
<v Speaker 2>a goof and everything else, but he got overdoing it.

508
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:25.799
<v Speaker 2>And my favorite was when he came to Memphis and

509
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:30.759
<v Speaker 2>he came out as Elvis and instead of everybody booing him,

510
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:32.839
<v Speaker 2>they were just chanting his name over and over, and

511
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.240
<v Speaker 2>he got mad and stomped off the stomped off the stage.

512
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Carlito is incredibly talented. If you could see what he

513
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 2>could do in the ring, it's amazing. And the fact

514
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 2>that we let ten years of his life go by

515
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:47.680
<v Speaker 2>without touching him the right way and letting him have

516
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>the proper push that he needed. He could have been

517
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.200
<v Speaker 2>a main inventor. He really could have been a main inventor,

518
00:28:53.319 --> 00:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>especially in the stale twenty tens. I mean, when he

519
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:02.839
<v Speaker 2>and Punk could have worked a program, or when Punk

520
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.920
<v Speaker 2>was gone, Carlita could have been something that infused something

521
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:09.720
<v Speaker 2>instead of just John Cena, John Cena, Randy York, John Cena.

522
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 2>He could have done a lot of things. There's a

523
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of programs that he could have worked that there's

524
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of misprograms that he could have been part of.

525
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:23.200
<v Speaker 2>And I really feel that his talent level, I mean, honestly,

526
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 2>don't base him on what he is today. He's almost

527
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:28.359
<v Speaker 2>my agent. Look, I'm almost fifty. If he can still

528
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:30.480
<v Speaker 2>go it, he looks that great at his age. I

529
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.440
<v Speaker 2>don't think he's quite as old as me. But to

530
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:35.039
<v Speaker 2>be in that great to shape and still go the

531
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>way he does, that's pretty damn amazing. And so to

532
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.160
<v Speaker 2>think what could have happened for ten to twelve year

533
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.200
<v Speaker 2>absence and the way they wanted him originally if you

534
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.519
<v Speaker 2>just didn't have a bad attitude and the sky was

535
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>a limited limit was the sky? What do you guys think, Dan?

536
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.559
<v Speaker 5>From when I saw Carl No, I very much enjoyed

537
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:05.920
<v Speaker 5>the character of being like the cool guy. He definitely

538
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.319
<v Speaker 5>was over even as a heel. It's kind of hard

539
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Speaker 5>to dislike the dude. I mean, from the hair to

540
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.440
<v Speaker 5>the way he carried himself, he just kind of had

541
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:20.119
<v Speaker 5>like he owned the cool guy angle. And he's one

542
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:21.920
<v Speaker 5>of those guys you could love to hate or just

543
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:25.200
<v Speaker 5>hate that you love him so much. He had great

544
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:28.160
<v Speaker 5>talent in the ring. Seeing him now, I mean, he

545
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:31.519
<v Speaker 5>looks fantastic, Like as you stated before, he looks incredible,

546
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.680
<v Speaker 5>like better than he did when he first showed up. Honestly,

547
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.359
<v Speaker 5>I don't know why he's like a fix to a

548
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:42.039
<v Speaker 5>stable right now, though, I feel like it should definitely

549
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 5>just let him be his own wrestler instead of kind

550
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.720
<v Speaker 5>of aligning himself with the faction that's eventually just going

551
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:48.799
<v Speaker 5>to fizzle out anyway.

552
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, you've got a really good point there. He's

553
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:57.400
<v Speaker 2>not actually part of Judgment Day. And what people don't realize,

554
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.359
<v Speaker 2>and I've said this, like on Wade Keller's podcast, is

555
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:06.400
<v Speaker 2>let's take some stock here. Damian Priest is fighting the

556
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Judgment Day. Damien Priest is Puerto Rican. What is Carlito,

557
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:17.079
<v Speaker 2>who's technically not part of Judgment Day Porto Rican? Exactly?

558
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>So I think that there's some kind of internal thing.

559
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I hope that they would use that for some kind

560
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.079
<v Speaker 2>of like turn for something to you know, use that with.

561
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see some gold around his pace. I'd

562
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:30.480
<v Speaker 2>love to actually see him whin. I hate money in

563
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.079
<v Speaker 2>the bank because I think that is the worst thing.

564
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.559
<v Speaker 2>I think that killed the undertitles. And that's a whole

565
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.079
<v Speaker 2>other conversation for another day. But I'd like to see

566
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:39.759
<v Speaker 2>him win money the bank and win the one of

567
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.319
<v Speaker 2>the straps one time, even if it's for a day,

568
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to see it. So, all right, who's up next?

569
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess I could go real quick and pass

570
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.319
<v Speaker 1>off to Dariel next afterwards. So all right, this next

571
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 1>guy that I'm going to talk about, you know, came

572
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 1>from Japan. He was a huge deal over there, came

573
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.359
<v Speaker 1>to WWE, and then once again was New Yart, and

574
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about nobody other than Shinsky Nakamura.

575
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh God.

576
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.599
<v Speaker 1>I honestly really loved seeing his work in NXT. I

577
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>loved seeing some of his past stuff from Japan. My god,

578
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.079
<v Speaker 1>that guy can work. Being the king of strong style

579
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>they meant it. He was in w JP or NJPW's.

580
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 4>Or god, I don't even remember what they call it.

581
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Title.

582
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 1>It's like IWGP Junior Heavyweight Champion at like twenty three

583
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:35.480
<v Speaker 1>years old. They put the strap on him kind of young,

584
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:39.279
<v Speaker 1>and he held it for a while, but they really

585
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>put trust in it, because you could see why coming

586
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:46.440
<v Speaker 1>to America and doing WWE thing, it's the WWE version

587
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>of Shinsk and the American audience doesn't get to see

588
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:51.920
<v Speaker 1>it the same way. I remember so many people in

589
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.079
<v Speaker 1>comment sections on Facebook and stuff saying he doesn't even wrestle,

590
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>He's not, you know, doing this right, And I'm sitting

591
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>here like he's doing it the way that he can

592
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>hand because WWE is not letting him have matches the

593
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.640
<v Speaker 1>way that he was able to before. He used to

594
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>be a very hard hitting person that I would have

595
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>compared a little bit to Dynamite Kid in the way

596
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that he was just stiff, but not stiff hurting people,

597
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 1>but he made it look like, Wow, that actually seems

598
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:17.799
<v Speaker 1>like it really hurt to deal.

599
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.720
<v Speaker 3>With, and he's just too hard type wrestling.

600
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you see what you're saying.

601
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.680
<v Speaker 1>And it just sucks that they have to new to

602
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>these guys to be WWE, a fied or whatever you

603
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:31.799
<v Speaker 1>want to call it. And I'm not somebody who necessarily

604
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>just hates ww and everything they do, but I really

605
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:36.759
<v Speaker 1>get annoyed when somebody has a style and it is

606
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>so over with the crowd and everything, and then they

607
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>get to the big league and the big league basically

608
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>looks at them and says, no, you have to do

609
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:44.839
<v Speaker 1>it our way because this is what works, and it

610
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work for them. It really still doesn't work for Shinske.

611
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 1>He's not quite the same at best. He's kind of

612
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>a mid carter now. I haven't seen him get a

613
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.839
<v Speaker 1>real title push ever. I think he had a match

614
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>with Sena and got himself a title match, and then

615
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.839
<v Speaker 1>after that because he almost really hurt seen it in

616
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.799
<v Speaker 1>that match, he basically got pushed back down again.

617
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, he had he headlined WrestleMania against aj Styles and

618
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.519
<v Speaker 2>he lost after he won the Royal Rumble and he

619
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.800
<v Speaker 2>eliminated Roman reigns and everybody was behind him.

620
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

621
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Legend says that New Japan when he wrestled brock Lessener,

622
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.039
<v Speaker 2>he actually knocked one of brock Lessener's teeth out.

623
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I could see that party gay But yeah, so I

624
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>believe Shinsky Nakamura he deserves more of a push and

625
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I hate that we're probably never going to see it

626
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>until he leaves for maybe in JPW maybe AW again.

627
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Who knows, but you'll probably go to Noah.

628
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I could see him going to Noah. And he

629
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 1>did have that match with I believe it was Mooda

630
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:45.039
<v Speaker 1>he retired him there.

631
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:48.519
<v Speaker 2>I thought, yes he did, and that was a fantastic match.

632
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, if you actually want to see what

633
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 2>shins K Nakamura can do, you want to watch that,

634
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 2>but we can't scrape the scum off of our tongues

635
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:02.679
<v Speaker 2>after watching the fact that he had to job cleanly

636
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.320
<v Speaker 2>to gender mahaal mm hm, that's what killed his career

637
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's why no And then they put him with

638
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Rick Boogs and I remember, like listeners to this channel

639
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.679
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry, I'm gonna tell you you're stupid, You're

640
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 2>an idiot. All the people who would go to the

641
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:19.880
<v Speaker 2>mail bag and say, oh, I think Rick Boogs can

642
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:27.519
<v Speaker 2>be a world champion, Well, I think you're in bread. Okay, Dariel,

643
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.079
<v Speaker 2>you want to disagree with me? Anybody want to say

644
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.519
<v Speaker 2>anything about that, Like any idiot who thought that he

645
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the guy was muscular and he had a mustache. He

646
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:40.559
<v Speaker 2>looked like a poor man's Rick Steiner and had a

647
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:41.400
<v Speaker 2>third of the skill.

648
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:47.599
<v Speaker 5>I'm not super familiar with Rick Boogs, and good for you.

649
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.400
<v Speaker 5>I've only seen a little bit of Shitzkate, but what

650
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.039
<v Speaker 5>I've seen of him was very impressive.

651
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.480
<v Speaker 3>I loved his look. I love like just.

652
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.519
<v Speaker 5>How he conducted himself in the ring. I mean clearly

653
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:05.000
<v Speaker 5>he as you say he was. He was wwe fied

654
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.800
<v Speaker 5>or however you want to like call it, because I

655
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 5>feel like if you got something called strong style, oh

656
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:15.239
<v Speaker 5>I want to see somebody get knocked like not you know, hurt,

657
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.760
<v Speaker 5>but I want to see that hard hitting style.

658
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.119
<v Speaker 2>More. Do you want to see some Stan Hanson Bruce

659
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:20.880
<v Speaker 2>of Brodie.

660
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:21.679
<v Speaker 3>Don't you? Yeah?

661
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.760
<v Speaker 5>You know, I want to see that Stu hard esque

662
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.960
<v Speaker 5>type of Oh yeah, we're gonna we're gonna make it

663
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:34.079
<v Speaker 5>look solidly convincing. You might even feel it a little bit,

664
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.840
<v Speaker 5>you know, because if that's gonna be your angle, I

665
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:40.320
<v Speaker 5>want to see that that angle sold very well. Like it,

666
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:42.840
<v Speaker 5>you know when people call it like task a human

667
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Speaker 5>suplex machine, and he lived up to it because he

668
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.480
<v Speaker 5>chucked people around the ring, and it's like, yep, that dude

669
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.960
<v Speaker 5>is definitely machine about chucking people around the ring. I

670
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.840
<v Speaker 5>like seeing that, you know, so I definitely would like

671
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 5>to do some more research on him and just see

672
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.360
<v Speaker 5>like what he had going for on before he came

673
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:01.679
<v Speaker 5>to the West.

674
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, if I could recommend anything n XT watch

675
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.920
<v Speaker 1>his match with Sammy Zain. The crowd was going nuts

676
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>for it that night. That was the first time I've

677
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:14.519
<v Speaker 1>ever heard of WWE crowd chanting fight forever.

678
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:16.719
<v Speaker 4>And then I will say the Noah match.

679
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I still haven't seen it, but I've heard incredible things

680
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:20.880
<v Speaker 1>about it, so I still need to see it myself.

681
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:25.840
<v Speaker 2>On Yeah, that was that was insane. It's it's just

682
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:28.360
<v Speaker 2>crazy like what they did in the ring, and it's

683
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:33.719
<v Speaker 2>or look at Wressell Kingdom. I think eleven and I

684
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 2>think it was him versus AJ Styles, and AJ Styles

685
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 2>was the king of the Bull Club, our leader of

686
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 2>the Bull Club at one point, and he like gets

687
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:44.960
<v Speaker 2>bouncing the ropes and does the finger and points like

688
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:51.239
<v Speaker 2>the gun like aj Styles does. And Nakamura catches the

689
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>bullet in the air which is not real, and puts

690
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:59.599
<v Speaker 2>it in his mouth and eats it. It's amazing, amazing.

691
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.719
<v Speaker 2>He he is, like you said, if any guy who

692
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:09.079
<v Speaker 2>could knock out one of brock Lessner's teeth reportedly is

693
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:11.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, pretty hardcore. And then you have him do

694
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.760
<v Speaker 2>a solid job to General Hall, a guy that wasn't

695
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 2>worth he was he wasn't worth a rental car.

696
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:23.400
<v Speaker 3>There.

697
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to get into that

698
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:32.719
<v Speaker 2>right now, but we'll go into like champions who never

699
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.400
<v Speaker 2>should have been champions at another show. I don't know

700
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.079
<v Speaker 2>if you guys want to be on that show, but

701
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I would love to have you both on that show.

702
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:40.599
<v Speaker 4>All right, sounds good?

703
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.079
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, moving on from Shinski Dariel, who's your next man?

704
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:50.960
<v Speaker 3>My next one is Kick Cash? Nice pick Kick Cash.

705
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.360
<v Speaker 5>Is legendary, I mean, you know, getting it his start

706
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:58.920
<v Speaker 5>and like the Smoky Mountain, you know, being a tap

707
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.039
<v Speaker 5>team partner with Ricky Morton and such like, dude had

708
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.360
<v Speaker 5>a history behind him and then moving on to ECW

709
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:12.519
<v Speaker 5>and really getting established there, and yeah, you know, he

710
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:16.599
<v Speaker 5>was definitely like on the the lookalike train, which you know,

711
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:18.679
<v Speaker 5>you get a number of those wrestlers and they just

712
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 5>kind of go.

713
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Ahead and run with it. But I mean he owned it.

714
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 5>He killed it, like I think seeing and I have

715
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Speaker 5>been watching a lot of his matches leading up to this,

716
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.679
<v Speaker 5>just you know, see what else he had going for

717
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:36.920
<v Speaker 5>him and the guy despite being of a shorter stature

718
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.320
<v Speaker 5>because he was like what five eight five nine and

719
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:42.840
<v Speaker 5>he wasn't like a heavyweight. But the thing is, he

720
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 5>went aware that he cleared about two hundred. Okay, he

721
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 5>cleared two hundred pretty close, like evenly. He had to

722
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.360
<v Speaker 5>wrestle big because he knew kind of industry he was in.

723
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 5>You know, if he's going to go do you know,

724
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.280
<v Speaker 5>big promotions, they're not going to look at him suit

725
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:09.800
<v Speaker 5>for very long because he's not a big guy. But

726
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.960
<v Speaker 5>he had because ECW really just gave people chances regardless

727
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 5>of like their size and stature or whatever, he was

728
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:21.239
<v Speaker 5>able to really showcase his abilities in the ring, one

729
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.679
<v Speaker 5>as a high flyer, which was something I wasn't really

730
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:27.519
<v Speaker 5>prepared to see going back to watching like old tapes

731
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:31.360
<v Speaker 5>of ECW and such, this dude really put his body

732
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 5>on the line for a lot of a lot of

733
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:39.079
<v Speaker 5>his matches like the moon salts, the the twisting sentons

734
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.920
<v Speaker 5>in the air. You know, he had a lot of

735
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.360
<v Speaker 5>crazy athleticism. But the other thing is that as he

736
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 5>moved between promotions, like he still carried a lot of

737
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:55.599
<v Speaker 5>his ECW style with them, but he also started mixing that,

738
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 5>you know with the Mitst martial arts and you know,

739
00:40:58.159 --> 00:40:59.599
<v Speaker 5>putting submissions and such.

740
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.519
<v Speaker 3>So as he got older, he solidified his style more

741
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.639
<v Speaker 3>to be ground based.

742
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.679
<v Speaker 5>And in addition to that, I mean the guy had

743
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, good look overall and yeah, pretty alright my skills.

744
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.159
<v Speaker 5>The guy was a heat generator. He knew how to

745
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.920
<v Speaker 5>just talk it and really get under people's skin. Like

746
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.599
<v Speaker 5>when he showed up in WWE, I mean he won

747
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 5>the cruiseweight title. Dude walked around like he was the

748
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:31.119
<v Speaker 5>baddest of the bad and that right there shows like

749
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.360
<v Speaker 5>this guy has something that could be more than just

750
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 5>a cruiserweight because once again he had to learn to

751
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:37.480
<v Speaker 5>wrestle big.

752
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:39.840
<v Speaker 3>When you watch him.

753
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:44.519
<v Speaker 5>Against like Vic Grimes and you see him against like C. W. Anderson,

754
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.559
<v Speaker 5>and you see him against Dustin Rose and TNA like

755
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:51.039
<v Speaker 5>he had he had to wrestle those guys like he

756
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.400
<v Speaker 5>was their size, or at the very least rustle in

757
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:58.039
<v Speaker 5>the way that he could take them down convincingly. And

758
00:41:58.119 --> 00:41:59.960
<v Speaker 5>he definitely had his fair share of matches where he

759
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:03.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, he gave it us all. But eventually, you know,

760
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:05.519
<v Speaker 5>he had to like fall to the big dude. And

761
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:11.000
<v Speaker 5>even in his interviews, his philosophy is that, like, it's

762
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:14.360
<v Speaker 5>not something, it's not very believable to see like a

763
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.519
<v Speaker 5>little dude beat a big guy, and so he had

764
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:19.239
<v Speaker 5>to make his style work to that.

765
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 3>And I very much think that if they had.

766
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:25.920
<v Speaker 5>Honed in on that, I mean that dude could have

767
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:28.559
<v Speaker 5>been walking around with the US title, the incontinental title

768
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.199
<v Speaker 5>like he had tag championships with Jamie Noble, like, it

769
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:36.719
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't have been hard to see him in a heavyweight class.

770
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 3>I mean, look at Crispin, Juan Eddie Guerrero. They were

771
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:42.760
<v Speaker 3>not very tall dudes at all.

772
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.920
<v Speaker 5>I mean they were jacked, which helped, and he definitely

773
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 5>bulked up over the years. I see a lot of

774
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.320
<v Speaker 5>it is that they kind of newted his style when

775
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:56.039
<v Speaker 5>he got there, like he didn't seem to like have

776
00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:00.880
<v Speaker 5>the same level of high risk or intensity that he

777
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:05.519
<v Speaker 5>had from like the past promotions he worked for. And

778
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:08.440
<v Speaker 5>I think that they kind of squandered him on that one.

779
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:12.559
<v Speaker 5>And if I recall correctly, he got fired for like

780
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:14.880
<v Speaker 5>smoking weed in Canada or something.

781
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Which it's primarily more legal there than it is here

782
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:21.119
<v Speaker 2>in the United States, which is kind of funny, but.

783
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.159
<v Speaker 5>Right, And I'm pretty sure he said something about that.

784
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:26.400
<v Speaker 5>He was like, wait, what, like this is the thing.

785
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's legality of the company, which is where they

786
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:33.239
<v Speaker 2>want to sting you. But didn't he also have a

787
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 2>cup of coffee in WCW before they shut down, like

788
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:40.800
<v Speaker 2>real quick, I think that we're basing it off my

789
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:48.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm fifty years old memory that basically I believe. I

790
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>think he had like one or two appearances on WW

791
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:52.119
<v Speaker 2>and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

792
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:57.159
<v Speaker 5>And yeah, he Jason Jet watched that match like.

793
00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Right before we did this on WSW.

794
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he debuted as Cash just cash spelled correctly see

795
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.840
<v Speaker 5>a s H His best match.

796
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:12.760
<v Speaker 2>His best match was against Rhino for the TV title

797
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:19.840
<v Speaker 2>in ECW. The way they searched the ring that was amazing.

798
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.360
<v Speaker 3>That was the mass started on the outside of the ring.

799
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.559
<v Speaker 3>Really yes, but that I watched that right before this

800
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:27.480
<v Speaker 3>as well. I did a lot of research before I

801
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 3>got here.

802
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 2>But you know, just going to WWE, you're too small kid.

803
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:36.480
<v Speaker 2>You don't have anything kid, you know, that's that's sad.

804
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.559
<v Speaker 2>And the word kid he should have you know, just

805
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:43.239
<v Speaker 2>went to cash or something else there. There should have

806
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.920
<v Speaker 2>been a dynamic change in his name that would have

807
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:51.039
<v Speaker 2>helped him. I believe a lot more because like the

808
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.920
<v Speaker 2>one two three kid six x POC whatever, like he

809
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:59.320
<v Speaker 2>became x POC. But if he came back from w

810
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:04.199
<v Speaker 2>CW from six to one two three kid, the word kid,

811
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.800
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you're a fully grown man. You can't you

812
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.400
<v Speaker 2>can't do that. It's like boys to men, should they

813
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:15.199
<v Speaker 2>just be men? Now? That's your man?

814
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:16.039
<v Speaker 4>Geriatrics.

815
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.159
<v Speaker 5>At this point, I think the thing is is like

816
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.280
<v Speaker 5>even if I mean Sean Michaels is still the Heartbreak Kid,

817
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:24.760
<v Speaker 5>He's still HBK.

818
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.119
<v Speaker 3>Man is in his fifties, he's still HBK.

819
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, HBM At this point, HBG.

820
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Is it's the it's his persona and true.

821
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.360
<v Speaker 5>The thing is like when you have a last name

822
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:43.719
<v Speaker 5>like Cash, because that's actually his last name. His name

823
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.280
<v Speaker 5>is David Cash. You have a last name like Cash,

824
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:49.039
<v Speaker 5>it's kind of hard to pass up the opportunity to

825
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.480
<v Speaker 5>just run with whatever goes with that. And I mean

826
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.800
<v Speaker 5>clearly he was, you know, based off a Kid Rock

827
00:45:56.599 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 5>dude who is a grown man still, you know, going

828
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:03.920
<v Speaker 5>by kid Rock, but it's like whatever, like that's his thing.

829
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:09.360
<v Speaker 5>And the promo he cut after he won the cruiseweight

830
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:14.599
<v Speaker 5>Championship in the WWE, he's been interviewed by Funaki. He

831
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Speaker 5>refers to himself as the Notorious k I D. Which

832
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:19.480
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, Okay, that's sick.

833
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:24.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny because I remember him in TNA

834
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:28.320
<v Speaker 2>during the pay per view days of the like nine

835
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:30.639
<v Speaker 2>dollars every week pay per view, and when I was

836
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:35.840
<v Speaker 2>like emailing Jeremy Borash and Bob Ryer ideas every week.

837
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:39.760
<v Speaker 2>And I just remember like some of the stuff I've

838
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.559
<v Speaker 2>seen like going on, and I remember Kid Cash like

839
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 2>cut a promo that I just hated and it was

840
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:48.159
<v Speaker 2>on Goldilocks and I can't repeat it on here, but

841
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:50.760
<v Speaker 2>you can look it up, like the Kid Cash promo

842
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.760
<v Speaker 2>on Goldielocks and then how she gets him back on it.

843
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:59.239
<v Speaker 2>So because it was pay per view, they could swear,

844
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.440
<v Speaker 2>so they could say dirty things and I can't say

845
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:05.599
<v Speaker 2>like on our paper or on our podcast.

846
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:07.840
<v Speaker 4>All right, fair enough?

847
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah with that, Gardner, you want to start off with

848
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:12.320
<v Speaker 1>your final person.

849
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.480
<v Speaker 2>My final person is the most underpushed person that is

850
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:19.159
<v Speaker 2>personally like in the company right now, that has more

851
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.880
<v Speaker 2>talent and more charisma than anybody else. And I just

852
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>feel that they've really fumbled the ball. The first universal

853
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:31.079
<v Speaker 2>champlain that's Ben Valor as Prince Devitt. He's the guy

854
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:33.400
<v Speaker 2>who started Bullet Club. If you didn't have Bullet Club,

855
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:38.280
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't have all elite wrestling. The man exudes talent.

856
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:40.400
<v Speaker 2>He can come out as the Demon, he can come

857
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:42.440
<v Speaker 2>out as Sweeney Todd, he can come out as so

858
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 2>many different versions of who he is. And to borrow

859
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:53.280
<v Speaker 2>from you, Dariel, he's been neutered. That man's in fantastic shape. Okay,

860
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:55.920
<v Speaker 2>he's two hundred pounds soaking wet. He could do anything

861
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.519
<v Speaker 2>in the ring. I put him in the same class

862
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:03.280
<v Speaker 2>as Benoa and see him punk as people who are

863
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 2>small but could do it all, and people who won

864
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 2>world titles, and probably in Vince's regime, should not have

865
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:19.159
<v Speaker 2>won world titles, and yet he has clean victories over

866
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:25.159
<v Speaker 2>both Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns in the same area

867
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:27.880
<v Speaker 2>to be the first universal champion, just to be stripped

868
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 2>of it because Seth hurt him and his career has

869
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.280
<v Speaker 2>never been the same. The guy has. He drips talent,

870
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:42.119
<v Speaker 2>he drips charisma, he drips everything that you need in

871
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:47.119
<v Speaker 2>a ring. He's smart, he can do it. And then

872
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:50.719
<v Speaker 2>he's stuck in a faction just to put over Damian Priest,

873
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.199
<v Speaker 2>who I think also is talented and I'm not taking

874
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:57.199
<v Speaker 2>away from him and Carlito, who we've also spoken about,

875
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 2>but are we evating the talent or is the talent

876
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:08.239
<v Speaker 2>de evaluating you? And as Jim Cornett, who I'm a

877
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:11.360
<v Speaker 2>fan of who lives here in Louisville also says, is

878
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.039
<v Speaker 2>the finn baler or is the pin baler? He always

879
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:18.119
<v Speaker 2>has to take the bite. This guy's done more in

880
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.599
<v Speaker 2>the ring than half these people have done in their

881
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:27.519
<v Speaker 2>whole career. He owned New Japan. He formed Bullet Club

882
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:31.360
<v Speaker 2>when he was a junior heavyweight. No one ever lets

883
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:35.920
<v Speaker 2>anybody lead Japan as a junior heavyweight, and he never

884
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.360
<v Speaker 2>declared himself as a heavyweight and if he leaves and

885
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:41.119
<v Speaker 2>he goes back to Japan, he will be declared a heavyweight.

886
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Speaker 2>It's really weird how they do that stuff. But the

887
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.400
<v Speaker 2>fact is brass tacks and baseball basket When we get

888
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:48.800
<v Speaker 2>down to it, this guy could do everything in the

889
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:54.400
<v Speaker 2>worrying and if he goes to all elite that's gonna

890
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:58.239
<v Speaker 2>be insane. But if people also look at it, how

891
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.760
<v Speaker 2>many people who are part of the Bullet Club are

892
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:07.400
<v Speaker 2>in WWE now? And will he mastermind a redirection of

893
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:11.599
<v Speaker 2>the Bullet Club and then ballor club comes together at

894
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:20.199
<v Speaker 2>stuttering guys again? So thoughts, well, you are right because

895
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 2>he did form the Bullet Club, and wasn't it Gallows

896
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:26.199
<v Speaker 2>and Anderson who were also a part of it at the time? Yeah?

897
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Where they Yeah, exactly whatever happened to them at this point?

898
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like they fell off again, which is sad

899
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:36.960
<v Speaker 1>honestly because Gallow has always been relatively talented. He just

900
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.280
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really get the push because wasn't he like Festus

901
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:39.920
<v Speaker 1>at one point?

902
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and Anderson is actually super fast, Yes, yeah, yeah,

903
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:52.360
<v Speaker 2>and Anderson is like super talentedged but.

904
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's sad to see when God Vince's regime

905
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.000
<v Speaker 1>used to really like to take people that were really

906
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:01.639
<v Speaker 1>famous from other company and kind of just burn them

907
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:03.880
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. It seemed like if you were made

908
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:07.840
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else and they brought you in where it's WCW

909
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.079
<v Speaker 1>or wherever, if they couldn't rebrand you to be something

910
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>special that oh yeah, the crowd's never seen this before

911
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.000
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote. Then it was okay, which is gonna kind

912
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of make him look stupid and then send him on

913
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:19.880
<v Speaker 1>his way because WWE is the only way sort of

914
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 1>thing they wanted to push their own homegrowns and half

915
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the time it didn't really help out that much. That's

916
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.199
<v Speaker 1>something I really despised about Vince for a while, or

917
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>things like did you ever notice that certain female wrestlers

918
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:32.280
<v Speaker 1>use TNA's Top Stars finishers?

919
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean I pointed out for a while.

920
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:38.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I believe you may have started the conversation

921
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.119
<v Speaker 1>for me when all of a sudden seeing the styles

922
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.639
<v Speaker 1>class used by certain female wrestlers and it's like, wow,

923
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:43.639
<v Speaker 1>I wonder.

924
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:43.880
<v Speaker 4>Why that is.

925
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Vince the misogynty continues sort of thing.

926
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:52.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, he wanted diminish people's finishers from other territory,

927
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:56.480
<v Speaker 2>or not territories, but other other companies and make it

928
00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.719
<v Speaker 2>a woman's Finisher and it Vince burn in Hell.

929
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can kind of agree with that, but yeah,

930
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.719
<v Speaker 1>that was just kind of a crappy time for what

931
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:12.480
<v Speaker 1>it was. But yeah, I do agree. Baler is very underrated,

932
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.440
<v Speaker 1>under pushed. He is somebody who's deserved so much more.

933
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.480
<v Speaker 1>He's able to play a theatrical character. He's able to

934
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:19.480
<v Speaker 1>go out there and just be a little closer to

935
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.159
<v Speaker 1>human being himself, but he can also pull out that

936
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:23.679
<v Speaker 1>whole demon thing. And you know what, I'm going to

937
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:25.760
<v Speaker 1>buy into as much as I bought into The Undertaker,

938
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:27.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what. No, he's not an actual dead man,

939
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:30.199
<v Speaker 1>but I'm going to watch it and be very entertained

940
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.519
<v Speaker 1>by it. It's because it's him and he knows how

941
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:35.239
<v Speaker 1>to pull it off very very well. Dariel, you have

942
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:36.079
<v Speaker 1>any thoughts on Baler?

943
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:41.079
<v Speaker 5>Honestly, Baler showed up around time where I mean I

944
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:43.920
<v Speaker 5>was still out of the loop, so I'm gonna have

945
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:45.920
<v Speaker 5>to do some catching up on him. From what I've

946
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.719
<v Speaker 5>seen of him, Like, he has a great look and

947
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:52.039
<v Speaker 5>I'm still a little like iffy about the double stomp

948
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:57.480
<v Speaker 5>super like the Finisher or whatever. It's just I don't know,

949
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:01.320
<v Speaker 5>like you got Swerve running it. He's doing it. I

950
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:03.079
<v Speaker 5>don't know how many more people are going to do it.

951
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:05.719
<v Speaker 5>I think if I.

952
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Watched Star.

953
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:14.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it does work better for like lighter wrestlers.

954
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.800
<v Speaker 5>I think it's a little bit less harsh on the

955
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:21.360
<v Speaker 5>body from what I can tell. But I have to

956
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.159
<v Speaker 5>do some catching up on him because I don't really

957
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:26.280
<v Speaker 5>have a super strong opinion. All I know is he's

958
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:30.280
<v Speaker 5>like he was one third of like Judgment Day, which,

959
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:33.800
<v Speaker 5>to be honest, he did seem a bit overshadowed by

960
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:40.599
<v Speaker 5>them because you got Priest who looks fantastic, has just

961
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.679
<v Speaker 5>just owns the whole look and everything, and then he

962
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:48.639
<v Speaker 5>got Ray Ripley who was also kind of a machine.

963
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:52.599
<v Speaker 3>So he kind of just fell to the wayside with

964
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:53.480
<v Speaker 3>those two.

965
00:53:53.960 --> 00:54:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Agreed, agreed definitely, and that's that's that's the out of

966
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:04.199
<v Speaker 2>his part. Because then the like JD McDonough I think

967
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.800
<v Speaker 2>is a huge talent, and I feel that like, because

968
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.000
<v Speaker 2>he's part of Judgment Day, he's he's fell to the

969
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>wayside because he could do so much more, and that's

970
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 2>like a just a throw in the fact that like

971
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.960
<v Speaker 2>he's jobbed out to our truth. I know our truth

972
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:25.039
<v Speaker 2>is like special and you know, teaches people, and he's

973
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.000
<v Speaker 2>older than me. He's like fifty five, in great shape.

974
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:32.039
<v Speaker 2>But the fact is he doesn't need to keep taking

975
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:37.719
<v Speaker 2>w's over current talent. You're bearing current talent. Dadie McDonough

976
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.599
<v Speaker 2>has talent if you watch his matches with Ilia dragonoff

977
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:52.639
<v Speaker 2>Holy Biscuits, trust me. So all right, who's this and Dariel?

978
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:54.519
<v Speaker 4>You want to finish off your list, Bud.

979
00:54:54.360 --> 00:55:02.199
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'll finish off here with Mark Jindrak. So, Mark Jendrek,

980
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:07.199
<v Speaker 5>I saw a little bit of his work in the ring,

981
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:11.199
<v Speaker 5>and at first he really just seemed like, you know,

982
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:17.880
<v Speaker 5>your your typical kind of not super tall guy, but

983
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:24.000
<v Speaker 5>obviously one of the VINS hopefuls. You know, Oh he's tall,

984
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:29.079
<v Speaker 5>he's got you know, great look, good physique. But he

985
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:32.079
<v Speaker 5>didn't stand out a whole lot until I started looking

986
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.280
<v Speaker 5>into him, because I was like, whatever happened to that dude?

987
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.599
<v Speaker 5>And so I remember that he was wrestling in Mexico.

988
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:39.000
<v Speaker 5>So I'm like, all right, I'm gonna look out all

989
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:42.639
<v Speaker 5>this stuff from Mexico, and what I saw blew my mind.

990
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:43.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what.

991
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 5>First of all, the main thing that stood out to

992
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:52.559
<v Speaker 5>me is his vertical. The dude is a human grasshopper

993
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:59.599
<v Speaker 5>to see guys in an electric chair setup, and he

994
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:03.840
<v Speaker 5>jumped up and drop kicks them, not in the gut,

995
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:11.119
<v Speaker 5>in the chest, like we're talking after very very clearly,

996
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:16.880
<v Speaker 5>like you know, five nine, five ten, still not exactly

997
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:19.760
<v Speaker 5>like when you stack two dudes are roughly about the

998
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:24.079
<v Speaker 5>same height on top of each other. That's pretty tall.

999
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:27.559
<v Speaker 5>And then I would see him come from the ramp

1000
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:34.599
<v Speaker 5>and jump across the ropes and sail all the way

1001
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:37.880
<v Speaker 5>across the ring with a cross body block from like

1002
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:42.280
<v Speaker 5>the end of the ramp, not even when the mat starts.

1003
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:44.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, wait, what do you mean? I'm like, this

1004
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:48.280
<v Speaker 5>dude is doing this? Why is he Why wasn't getting pushed?

1005
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:52.800
<v Speaker 5>And apparently he just wasn't allowed to be him, He

1006
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.119
<v Speaker 5>wasn't allowed to do the things that he was good at.

1007
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:56.800
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, this dude is insane.

1008
00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:59.039
<v Speaker 7>How did you just let this slip through the cracks?

1009
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 7>I'm like that that right there is like I don't

1010
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:05.960
<v Speaker 7>know what his his my skills were like, but whatever,

1011
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:07.519
<v Speaker 7>throw them with the manager.

1012
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:11.679
<v Speaker 2>That's what they always had player for that time.

1013
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:17.000
<v Speaker 6>So right, So the thing is that he was in

1014
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:22.800
<v Speaker 6>a vignette for Evolution because there was like some issue

1015
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:25.079
<v Speaker 6>at the time where like I guess Batista wasn't like

1016
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:29.000
<v Speaker 6>quite ready to be like he was out or something

1017
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:32.159
<v Speaker 6>or other, so they filmed a vignette with Mark Jindrack,

1018
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.559
<v Speaker 6>but apparently even Triple As didn't want him in the thing.

1019
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:36.800
<v Speaker 5>He's like, you know, he's not going to be in

1020
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:41.360
<v Speaker 5>an Evolution and I'm like, what why not? Like I

1021
00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:44.440
<v Speaker 5>mean clearly, yeah, you know, he's got Randy Yorton and

1022
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 5>he probably would have overshadowed Randy, so you never know,

1023
00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:51.159
<v Speaker 5>it probably was like the Orton last name has weight

1024
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:52.039
<v Speaker 5>jin drag.

1025
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.480
<v Speaker 3>Maybe not, but seeing that dude, I'm like.

1026
00:57:56.519 --> 00:58:00.679
<v Speaker 5>Huh, they really just let that dude go, and you know,

1027
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:04.360
<v Speaker 5>he went to Mexico and did his thing, and honestly,

1028
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:06.800
<v Speaker 5>I would I mean, granted, you know, he's an older

1029
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:11.199
<v Speaker 5>guy now, so he's probably not jumping nearly like seven

1030
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:14.760
<v Speaker 5>feet up in the air and drop kicking people, but whatever,

1031
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:16.320
<v Speaker 5>he's still I'm sure he still has it.

1032
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:18.559
<v Speaker 3>If he's still wrestling. It would be great to.

1033
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:21.400
<v Speaker 5>See that dude come back, because that's a level of

1034
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:24.440
<v Speaker 5>athleticism you don't normally see from people, especially someone in

1035
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:25.159
<v Speaker 5>his stature.

1036
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Now, what I'll say is like I remember he tagged

1037
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:35.960
<v Speaker 2>him with Shat O'Hare, and I thought that guy was

1038
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.119
<v Speaker 2>going to be the big one and I thought he

1039
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:43.880
<v Speaker 2>would be part of evolution. But they know picking Jendrek was.

1040
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he had everything they said that he just

1041
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.960
<v Speaker 2>felt like in his mind he was not ready for it.

1042
00:58:53.280 --> 00:59:00.159
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of sad, Like I hate for eddy for

1043
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 2>any talent to like go into a situation where they

1044
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:07.039
<v Speaker 2>feel they're just not ready for it and basically be like, yeah,

1045
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:12.360
<v Speaker 2>assing their pants before they go out because they're just

1046
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:16.079
<v Speaker 2>not ready for it. So I don't know what it is.

1047
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:18.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the true story. I don't know the background,

1048
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.320
<v Speaker 2>but you have a really good pick there, because didn't

1049
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:26.119
<v Speaker 2>you go on to do the MTB like Wrestling X

1050
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:27.000
<v Speaker 2>or something like that.

1051
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:31.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure about that part. I can't.

1052
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:35.039
<v Speaker 5>I can't really corroborate that one because I didn't follow

1053
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:38.679
<v Speaker 5>up on anything past like the stuff he did in

1054
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:43.039
<v Speaker 5>the early two thousands in like WW and then like

1055
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:48.599
<v Speaker 5>the stuff he did in Mexico. But I mean, I remember,

1056
00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:52.280
<v Speaker 5>you know the Reflection of Perfection, which I'm like, yo, bro,

1057
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:58.239
<v Speaker 5>that that Moniker with this look. Why weren't you pushing.

1058
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:04.159
<v Speaker 2>This because wwe you weren't Triple h. You weren't John Cena,

1059
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:06.960
<v Speaker 2>you weren't you know whatever. At the time, you know,

1060
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:08.480
<v Speaker 2>they only just had.

1061
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:10.800
<v Speaker 5>A monopoly on it, you know, like they had a

1062
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:15.159
<v Speaker 5>monopoly on the industry. Because if that dude had any

1063
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.519
<v Speaker 5>other place to go, I mean, I guess he could

1064
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:20.159
<v Speaker 5>have went to TNA, But like that dude had any

1065
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:20.880
<v Speaker 5>other place to go.

1066
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:24.199
<v Speaker 3>That is a world champion right there.

1067
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that he has won like many championships

1068
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:33.440
<v Speaker 2>down in Mexico. It's it's just a different situation, like

1069
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:35.960
<v Speaker 2>moving to Mexico. I've been to Mexico many times. Have

1070
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:40.800
<v Speaker 2>you ever been to Mexico, either of you? Nope, Okay,

1071
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:44.039
<v Speaker 2>it's I've been to Tijuana, which is a very scary city.

1072
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:48.119
<v Speaker 2>And basically they always say, like, you know, you bring

1073
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.679
<v Speaker 2>two IDs with you. You have one in your wallet and

1074
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.960
<v Speaker 2>one in your your sock so they can't get it

1075
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:59.320
<v Speaker 2>away from you and you cross the border. And the

1076
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:03.239
<v Speaker 2>first if you walk across the border from Tijuana to

1077
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.519
<v Speaker 2>actually where you're going to go party on Revolution Street

1078
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.880
<v Speaker 2>is a to militarized zone where there's high rises that

1079
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:16.599
<v Speaker 2>are vacant graffiti. Everything's crazy. I don't know why anybody

1080
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:19.760
<v Speaker 2>would be there. So if Mark Jindrak went down there

1081
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.599
<v Speaker 2>and he made money, that means he went to Mexico

1082
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.519
<v Speaker 2>City and he went to the epicenter of where you

1083
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:31.480
<v Speaker 2>can make money, and so you can live down there

1084
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:37.320
<v Speaker 2>for fifty cents on the dollar for American money, especially

1085
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:40.440
<v Speaker 2>back then. So he made a lot of money, and

1086
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:43.440
<v Speaker 2>he's probably living like a king, I get it. But

1087
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:46.920
<v Speaker 2>he could have still been part of evolution.

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01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:50.159
<v Speaker 5>So and I think a lot of it may have

1089
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:52.599
<v Speaker 5>added something to do with the fact that, like, there's

1090
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:56.639
<v Speaker 5>a there's a guy whose last name carries weight. He's

1091
01:01:56.719 --> 01:02:00.440
<v Speaker 5>what like a fourth generation or third generation wrestler, and

1092
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:04.760
<v Speaker 5>Randy Orton, and so I think that's kind of what

1093
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:07.679
<v Speaker 5>probably killed his momentum, is just the fact that they're like, well,

1094
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:11.280
<v Speaker 5>we can't really throw this other guy under the bus,

1095
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:15.039
<v Speaker 5>you know, because the Ortons would have probably had something

1096
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:15.880
<v Speaker 5>to say about it.

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01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:18.239
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean it was.

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01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:21.639
<v Speaker 2>But they replaced with Batista, so we can argue that

1099
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:22.239
<v Speaker 2>all day.

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01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:27.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but Batista had this look to him that is marketable,

1101
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:32.239
<v Speaker 5>you know, the animal he looks primal, He wrestled Primal

1102
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:36.199
<v Speaker 5>and he very much looked like the bodyguard of the group.

1103
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:38.679
<v Speaker 5>It's like you got the three A listers and then

1104
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:41.079
<v Speaker 5>he got the muscle.

1105
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:51.280
<v Speaker 2>But Reverend Darryl testify what was his original gimmick Batista exactly.

1106
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.239
<v Speaker 2>So he wasn't supposed to be there. He was not

1107
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:58.519
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be there. It was when Jindrak bailed out

1108
01:02:58.599 --> 01:02:59.679
<v Speaker 2>that they put him in.

1109
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:04.360
<v Speaker 5>Which I mean, I guess is the best thing that

1110
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.920
<v Speaker 5>ever happened to him, really, at least Batista anyway.

1111
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:12.960
<v Speaker 2>No shyser, So who's next?

1112
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:14.000
<v Speaker 3>All right?

1113
01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:16.159
<v Speaker 1>So mine will be the last one, as I believe,

1114
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:20.199
<v Speaker 1>that's three for all of us, correct, that's correct, all right,

1115
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:22.880
<v Speaker 1>So my final one, and I'll be honest, I'm kind

1116
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:24.920
<v Speaker 1>of calling audible here, guys, but I've been ad living

1117
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:28.679
<v Speaker 1>this whole thing anyways. But last person for me, I'm

1118
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:29.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna say, mister j L.

1119
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:32.679
<v Speaker 4>Jerry Lynn. I think was under pushed.

1120
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:34.840
<v Speaker 3>And that's an understatement.

1121
01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:36.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's thinking about it.

1122
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:39.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like it just kind of hit me while I

1123
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:43.320
<v Speaker 1>was sitting here that he has been in many, many promotions,

1124
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and I remember seeing certain Dark Side of the Ring episodes,

1125
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:47.920
<v Speaker 1>certain interviews.

1126
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:49.480
<v Speaker 4>Apparently he's been a pretty.

1127
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Good mentor to a lot of the guys while they've

1128
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.800
<v Speaker 1>been up and coming. There was people from XBW even

1129
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:54.800
<v Speaker 1>that talked about you know what.

1130
01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:56.519
<v Speaker 4>He was backstage with me.

1131
01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.119
<v Speaker 1>I remember Rob Black was yelling at me for taking

1132
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:01.400
<v Speaker 1>a chair shot and putting my hand up because he

1133
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:03.360
<v Speaker 1>wanted me to just take it straight to the face.

1134
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:06.239
<v Speaker 1>And JL was the guy that came up behind him

1135
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:09.199
<v Speaker 1>afterwards after he walked away, talked to me. He's like, hey, man,

1136
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:13.119
<v Speaker 1>you did it right. You protected yourself. You took the

1137
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:15.360
<v Speaker 1>shot and it looked great. Don't worry about it. He

1138
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:17.119
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know what he's talking about. He was the voice

1139
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:20.320
<v Speaker 1>of reason in certain areas, and he was very talented

1140
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:22.760
<v Speaker 1>in WCW. I mean I remember seeing him as mister

1141
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:27.199
<v Speaker 1>JL masked up in certain matches from I believe. I'd

1142
01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:29.719
<v Speaker 1>been watching Nitro from nineteen ninety five for a little

1143
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:32.960
<v Speaker 1>bit and he was putting on matches that felt like

1144
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:37.760
<v Speaker 1>a clinic. Honestly, he was doing incredible things and realistically

1145
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:39.559
<v Speaker 1>he didn't need to speak because he had the mask on.

1146
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:42.159
<v Speaker 1>He was just, you know, another mysterious figure. You know,

1147
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the mask adds that mystique to you. But something that

1148
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:49.239
<v Speaker 1>I remembered thinking about was just I didn't know really

1149
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:50.760
<v Speaker 1>who he was at that point.

1150
01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:53.239
<v Speaker 4>I know he's now been an ECW champion.

1151
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I believe his highest accolade in WWE was being a

1152
01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:59.920
<v Speaker 1>light heavyweight champion or something like that, but that was

1153
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:04.239
<v Speaker 1>and I think he definitely deserved more. I'm not really

1154
01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:06.320
<v Speaker 1>sure how good his mike skills really were, but I

1155
01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:09.679
<v Speaker 1>know that in ring he was something to be reckoned,

1156
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:13.039
<v Speaker 1>and I really enjoyed watching even a few of his matches.

1157
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:15.880
<v Speaker 4>I'd like to see more as I go.

1158
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:19.239
<v Speaker 1>On, and realistically just want to go digging through the

1159
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:20.400
<v Speaker 1>past see what I can find.

1160
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:22.599
<v Speaker 4>What do you guys think of Jerry Lynn.

1161
01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:25.000
<v Speaker 3>I loved Jerry Lynn growing up.

1162
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:31.199
<v Speaker 5>I saw him in at the time WWF, and I

1163
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:33.360
<v Speaker 5>remember I loved his theme, So that's part of the

1164
01:05:33.400 --> 01:05:35.800
<v Speaker 5>reason why I loved watching him, because I wanted to

1165
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:43.840
<v Speaker 5>hear his theme more that I love that. But as

1166
01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:47.119
<v Speaker 5>I've been catching up on wrestling and like going back

1167
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:51.519
<v Speaker 5>into the past and seen the humble beginnings of all

1168
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:55.360
<v Speaker 5>my favorite wrestlers, watching him in ECW was pretty awesome.

1169
01:05:56.239 --> 01:06:00.639
<v Speaker 5>One of my favorite matches with him is actually Jerry

1170
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:02.360
<v Speaker 5>Lynn versus Taka Michinoku.

1171
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:07.599
<v Speaker 3>M HM. Those two killed it like it was.

1172
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:12.159
<v Speaker 5>It was a very competitive back and forth match, and

1173
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:16.400
<v Speaker 5>they spared no expense. They left it all in the ring,

1174
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:19.559
<v Speaker 5>and it was great to see something like that and

1175
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:21.599
<v Speaker 5>see what he could do.

1176
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:23.400
<v Speaker 3>In that environment.

1177
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:26.480
<v Speaker 5>And I mean he had great tattoom matches, you know,

1178
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:30.199
<v Speaker 5>with like Rod Van Damn, Kick Cash, you know, Tommy Dreamer,

1179
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:35.199
<v Speaker 5>Mikey Whipbrack, you know all these, you know names that

1180
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:41.639
<v Speaker 5>came up out of ECW. That dude was very, very talented.

1181
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:45.639
<v Speaker 5>Love seeing him wrestle, and I kind of wish that

1182
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:47.679
<v Speaker 5>he was a little younger so he could still be

1183
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:48.639
<v Speaker 5>in the ring doing it.

1184
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:54.239
<v Speaker 2>So my thoughts about Jerry Lynn, I'll tell you, I

1185
01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:56.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I saw him first in us w

1186
01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:01.920
<v Speaker 2>A or Global. I think I first, excuse me seeing

1187
01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:05.400
<v Speaker 2>him in Global Wrestling Federation, which was a short lived

1188
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Dallas based promotion Joe Pedsino, But I could be wrong.

1189
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.920
<v Speaker 2>He was so talented, he was so amazing. He was

1190
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:21.599
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see anything. He was Rob van Dam before

1191
01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Rob van dam. He could do things that most human

1192
01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:29.039
<v Speaker 2>beings couldn't do. But the thing that he did most

1193
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:36.559
<v Speaker 2>importantly is that he sold. He sold. He didn't take

1194
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:39.559
<v Speaker 2>a high spot and pop up and be like, Okay,

1195
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.519
<v Speaker 2>there's only a couple people that in history that you

1196
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:46.440
<v Speaker 2>could believe that. I didn't believe it in Hogan because

1197
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Hogan sucked. He sucked in Ring Hawk from the Road Warriors.

1198
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:57.840
<v Speaker 2>You believe that Nikita kole Off wouldn't take a pile driver,

1199
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:03.199
<v Speaker 2>or actually Hawk wouldn't take a pile driver, and Nikita

1200
01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:05.800
<v Speaker 2>would take a pile driver. Get up and shake it off.

1201
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:14.039
<v Speaker 2>They're andre like, there are people you didn't sell. Jerry

1202
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Lynn was a special, great wrestling human being that taught

1203
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:28.840
<v Speaker 2>in the ring and actually made the business better than

1204
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:35.279
<v Speaker 2>people could ever imagine. You know, his first well just

1205
01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Incredible's first match in ECW was against Jerry Lynn. I

1206
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:45.399
<v Speaker 2>know this is because Justin Incredible and my are friends,

1207
01:08:48.000 --> 01:09:02.119
<v Speaker 2>and without using names, he tells me like with how

1208
01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:06.439
<v Speaker 2>do I say this? People in aw do not want

1209
01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:10.840
<v Speaker 2>to listen to agents or listen to anybody who wants

1210
01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:15.079
<v Speaker 2>to actually help them.

1211
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:20.600
<v Speaker 5>It's kind of sad, Yeah, that they know best type

1212
01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:24.520
<v Speaker 5>of mentality exactly, Yes.

1213
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:26.840
<v Speaker 4>The rebellious.

1214
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:29.359
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we already we've already gone through this. We

1215
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:31.479
<v Speaker 1>already know what we're doing where we made a company

1216
01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:33.239
<v Speaker 1>on our own sort of thing or we're our own

1217
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:36.119
<v Speaker 1>thing type of people. But yeah, we don't need to

1218
01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:39.159
<v Speaker 1>dive too much into that. But yeah, jail very special

1219
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:43.079
<v Speaker 1>type of wrestler. Yeah, I think that's it for the

1220
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:46.399
<v Speaker 1>regular episode, guys, so get onto some recommendations. Is October?

1221
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:48.239
<v Speaker 1>What do we got, guys? To start with the gardener?

1222
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:49.600
<v Speaker 1>What do you got for us?

1223
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:53.560
<v Speaker 2>All right, so we're gonna do a scary movie this month.

1224
01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I want to do the Monster Squad. We have to

1225
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:03.199
<v Speaker 2>do the Monster Squad because the man who plays the cop,

1226
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:08.560
<v Speaker 2>the African American cop, stan Shaw, and I am so

1227
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:15.479
<v Speaker 2>I love him and both Ben has Nards. That's our thing.

1228
01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Aside from that, you can reach me at one four

1229
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:21.479
<v Speaker 2>four Captain on X.

1230
01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:25.840
<v Speaker 4>That sounds good. Dariel, what about you, man? What's your

1231
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:27.079
<v Speaker 4>recommendation for the audience?

1232
01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:32.760
<v Speaker 5>So I'm not much of a movie guy, but I

1233
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:36.399
<v Speaker 5>will recommend Queen of the Dan, mostly just for the soundtrack.

1234
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:40.640
<v Speaker 5>I think the soundtrack is fantastic and also just rested

1235
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:43.279
<v Speaker 5>past to a Leah. She was taken from this world

1236
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:47.560
<v Speaker 5>way too soon. But I will recommend a video game.

1237
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:49.880
<v Speaker 5>Some people might call it a little controversial in terms

1238
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:51.600
<v Speaker 5>of like is a truly a horror game or not.

1239
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:55.840
<v Speaker 5>But Devil May Cry it's an act. It's not like

1240
01:10:55.840 --> 01:11:00.159
<v Speaker 5>a horror fed action game. It's fantastic. If you have

1241
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:02.279
<v Speaker 5>a PlayStation two or if you can get a hold

1242
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:05.000
<v Speaker 5>of the collection on the next gen console, definitely play

1243
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:05.760
<v Speaker 5>through the series.

1244
01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:09.000
<v Speaker 3>You will not regret it, all.

1245
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:09.680
<v Speaker 4>Right, fair enough?

1246
01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:12.479
<v Speaker 1>You mind telling the audience how they can reach you

1247
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:13.600
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that.

1248
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:19.199
<v Speaker 5>If you want to reach me, I'm on Instagram. That's

1249
01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:23.840
<v Speaker 5>under accel at on City ex c e l A

1250
01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:29.079
<v Speaker 5>d N underscore City. I don't really have a whole

1251
01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:31.239
<v Speaker 5>lot of social media, but this is the one thing

1252
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:33.720
<v Speaker 5>I checked pretty regularly. So if you ever want to

1253
01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:36.039
<v Speaker 5>get a hold of me, so you can reach.

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<v Speaker 4>Me, all right, fair enough?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So my recommendations this week, and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have a movie and game.

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<v Speaker 4>So the movie that I'm going to say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a horror movie, but it's not the greatest,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie to you. But the thing I

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<v Speaker 1>love about it more than anything is the concept realistically,

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<v Speaker 1>so movie for me is going to be Stir of

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<v Speaker 1>Echo starring Kevin Bacon. That was probably made like late nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe early two thousands, but it's not necessarily bad, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>I just stake it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I just remembered the concept alone is what

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of got me interested in it, just the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of, well, I don't really want to give it away.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, the game that I wanted to recommend so recently,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite video games of all time, has

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<v Speaker 1>been remastered, Silent Hill two. I will say the original

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<v Speaker 1>incredible story and it's very well written from beginning to end.

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<v Speaker 1>I do highly recommend if you can get a copy

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<v Speaker 1>of the original, go through it. It's worth it. But

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<v Speaker 1>the remake just came out, I believe as of October eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you guys want to give that a playthrough,

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<v Speaker 1>let me know how it is, because I honestly don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get it until somebody reviews it for me

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<v Speaker 1>and lets me know. Hey, it's still good, just as

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<v Speaker 1>good as the last because it's full remake, not a remaster.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, highly recommend both horror titles. And with that,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys know how to reach me at Maintens on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter x whatever you want to call it. As usual,

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<v Speaker 1>do something nice for somebody you never know who needs it.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that we're out.

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