1 00:00:03,919 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Siko's I am Dan Valley coming 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,679 at you with the certified fantabulous mister Grant Hughes the offseason, 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:17,160 look ahead, trained soldiers, onward, folks. We're onto the Denver 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,679 Nuggets who lost in the second round and now they 5 00:00:20,719 --> 00:00:22,519 have an off season to go through. Grant, are you 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:23,679 ready to dive in? 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: Let's dive in like a like a wild eyed Russell 8 00:00:28,359 --> 00:00:30,039 Westbrook attempt on the rim. 9 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: Hopefully we will have more makes than missus. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: Let's turn it right over. 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to start with the Jokic quote 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,359 because he was right when he said afterwards, I think 13 00:00:41,399 --> 00:00:43,159 a lot of people I saw a lot of Kevin 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,119 Durant trade scenarios out there, but Jokic said, we definitely 15 00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:48,920 need to figure out a way to get more depth. 16 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:52,039 It seems like the teams that have longer rotations, the 17 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:54,960 longer benches are the ones winning. You look at Indiana 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,600 and OKC and Minnesota and they have been great examples 19 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,479 of that. I tend to agree with him. The Knicks 20 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:02,679 are really kind of the only exception right now. And 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,519 when you go to kind of look at pick your 22 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:07,799 favorite catch all and then look at the average of teammates. 23 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,400 Like when you look at the top twenty five stars, 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,879 there's like two or three that have average teammates in 25 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,239 the net negative. Nicole Jokic is one of them. But 26 00:01:16,359 --> 00:01:18,560 all the teams that are kind of standing, whether it's 27 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,640 John Brunton, Shay Anthony Edwards, like those guys are in 28 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,400 the positives. So I think there's would you agree with 29 00:01:25,519 --> 00:01:28,000 Jokic's over art, not even just in regard to the Nuggets, 30 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,640 but do you think that depth has become more of 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,000 a postseason weapon? 32 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: Well, the contrarian in me wants to push back and say, like, well, 33 00:01:35,599 --> 00:01:38,480 you need depth a lot less if your starting power 34 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:41,879 forward has two good hamstrings and you're starting small forward 35 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,400 has two good shoulders, you know. 36 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 3: What I mean? 37 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: Like, I think I work I'm working big to small 38 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:48,959 a little bit more with this problem, like of the 39 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:53,200 talent issue, because like I don't know, the Knicks aren't deep. 40 00:01:53,439 --> 00:01:53,879 Speaker 3: They made it. 41 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: They made it around farther than the than the Nuggets. Still, 42 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,879 although like the Knicks do have I mean, I like 43 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:02,120 the guys that actually do play off the next bench 44 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,159 a lot better than anybody that plays off of Denver's bench. 45 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,080 So I think He's probably right, and I guess too, 46 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,719 to kind of get us pivoting into like what can 47 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:13,639 the Nuggets do or what should they do? It's it's 48 00:02:13,719 --> 00:02:16,000 a lot easier to get depth than it is to 49 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,919 like get another star or you know what I mean, 50 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,319 Like to solve this this talent issue at the top 51 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,360 end of the roster. It's not gonna be easy for 52 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,360 them spoiler, It's not gonna be easy for Denver to 53 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,280 add talent anywhere. But I think it's more manageable if 54 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,199 you can say, like, well, if we just hit on 55 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,479 this minimum guy or something and he can become a 56 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,879 better six seventh, eighth guy than what we've got. That's 57 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,080 not impossible. But you know, if you're thinking of improving 58 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,400 at the top of the roster, it's gonna be Michael 59 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,280 Porter Junior and pray, like figure, hope something comes together. 60 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,599 Speaker 1: Well in somebody. That's why getting depth could be harder 61 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,560 than pulling off a bigger move. But before we get 62 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:55,400 to that, I think we'll start with the Yokich extension. 63 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,479 He's eligible to sign a three year, two hundred and 64 00:02:57,479 --> 00:02:59,960 twelve point five million dollar extension that would pay him 65 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:02,599 RAN seventy six million dollars in the final season, which 66 00:03:02,759 --> 00:03:05,240 was be two and twenty nine, two thousand and thirty, 67 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,360 contrary to two thousand and thirty nine two thousand and thirty, 68 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,439 like I have up on the screen, he'd be thirty 69 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:12,360 four at that point. You absolutely offer it, and I 70 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,520 the assumption, at least that was per the reporting at ESPN. 71 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:18,159 People believe he's going to sign it. He could just 72 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,360 wait and sign a four year, two hundred and ninety 73 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,240 three point four million dollar extension next summer, in which case, 74 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,840 by the way, in the final year, the numbers just 75 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,840 it'll be less than thirty five percent of the cap, 76 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,080 but he'd be making eighty one point two million dollars 77 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,680 in the final year of that deal in his age 78 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,759 thirty five season that runs through twenty thirty thirty one. 79 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:36,960 What I I guess My point here is, do you 80 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,360 think there's a chance that he doesn't sign it? As 81 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,919 a way of I'm gonna preface it with this, this 82 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:45,360 is not, oh, should the Nuggets be worried that Yoga 83 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,639 is gonna leave. It's kind of just the opposite. If 84 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,120 I am Yokich. However, I know that all these players 85 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,439 have just been signing extensions because then you can sign 86 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:54,080 another one in two years, and that's kind of the 87 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:58,639 new way of maximizing, maximizing your earning potential. If I'm him, 88 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:01,319 I'm not signing it because they're gonna max me out 89 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:04,039 next summer at whatever deal I want anyway, no matter 90 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,400 what happens, and I don't he's not going to agitate. 91 00:04:07,479 --> 00:04:10,120 That's not his style, it doesn't seem like. But keep 92 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:13,520 the pressure on the front office to earn continue to 93 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,160 earn your loyalty. By hey, we can't go into this 94 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:20,920 offseason and do things like not you'll materially change up 95 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:23,680 the let's say, the back half of our rotation. And 96 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,839 they've already I'm not saying David Adelman isn't the right guy, 97 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,040 but making him your head coach before having a front 98 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:34,000 office figurehead in place. That's weird, like, and it seems 99 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,560 like it's becoming more common in the NBA for some reason, 100 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,959 which I also don't understand. 101 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,759 Speaker 2: The Kings love to do it. That's that's maybe not 102 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,920 a good blue prince of fall. That's their favorite thing 103 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:47,439 to do is get the coach top executive cycle backwards. 104 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 105 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: I I my first thought was like I think he'll 106 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,319 do extension wise whatever, like whatever creates the least amount 107 00:04:57,319 --> 00:04:59,959 of uncertainty or hassle or headache or controversy. 108 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,759 Speaker 3: So it's like that's I would. 109 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: I would believe that he'll he'll just sign the extension 110 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,879 that's put in front of him as soon as it's 111 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:07,160 put in front of him, and it's like, cool, I 112 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,639 don't want to think about this anymore. That's me projecting 113 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,519 a personality onto someone that, like, we really don't know, 114 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,240 but all indications that seems from what we know right 115 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:18,079 or from what we've heard and what he's talked about, 116 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,759 that seems like the likely outcome. 117 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,759 Speaker 1: Well, the deal he's currently hon Do you remember when 118 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:23,480 they asked him about it a few years ago, where 119 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,120 is are you going to sign? And he was like, 120 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,480 oh yeah, like why not, I'll just sign it. It's 121 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,439 like no one asked him about it. I don't think 122 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,879 those times. I feel like if they did, my guess 123 00:05:31,879 --> 00:05:33,560 would be he'd have the same response. I'm just saying 124 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,920 if I were him, I'm not trying to leave Denver, 125 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:40,120 but I'm making especially after the that the coaching upheaval 126 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:43,399 and the front office changeover and the dynamics behind the scenes. 127 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:46,040 I'm like, no, like I'm applying silent pressure to the 128 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,399 or you're always under pressure because you have Jokic. But 129 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:50,680 I'm not going to give them the you know, the 130 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,000 stability that comes to just knowing the best player alive 131 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,199 is going to sign whatever contract whenever you give it 132 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:55,560 to him. 133 00:05:55,879 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: Can we talk about you? 134 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: We started this with a quote from him, I don't 135 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,040 think we've talked about the well when he was asked 136 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:03,439 after the no It's were eliminated, do you think this 137 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,600 group can win a championship? And he's like, well, we didn't, 138 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,319 so we can't. Basically was his response. It's like can 139 00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:13,199 everybody just speak as bluntly as he and like that's 140 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,079 a real win. I know maybe there's some some like 141 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:20,399 language not a language barrier, but like the the It's 142 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,519 you could interpret that as him saying like, could we 143 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,959 win a championship? Like no, we just got eliminated. Obviously 144 00:06:24,959 --> 00:06:26,920 that's not possible. They don't let us back into the 145 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,120 tournament just because we want. 146 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,759 Speaker 3: You know, I don't think that was it. 147 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:35,319 Speaker 2: I just like the just complete like I don't think. 148 00:06:35,519 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: Then he said something like I don't like to think about. 149 00:06:37,079 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: Ifs We're just like, God, I love this guy. He's like, yeah, 150 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,560 we didn't win it, so we can't. Like, are you 151 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,680 saying like we should have tried harder and that might 152 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,079 have done it? Like that's that's what I just I 153 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,759 wanted to flag that because I've been meaning to bring 154 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,680 that up with you the last couple of times we're recorded. 155 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: Do you think that's kind of the impact of one 156 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,360 year of playing with Russell Westbrook is just kind of 157 00:06:54,399 --> 00:06:57,439 turned a bit just sure. 158 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,639 Speaker 3: It's like either it happened or it didn't, and that's it. Anyway. 159 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk about let's talk about what. 160 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: The Nuggets have to kind of wrangle with this this offseason, 161 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,959 because it's like, like we led with, it's gonna be 162 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,759 hard to add talent, Like it's gonna be hard to 163 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,160 not lose talent, honestly. 164 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they have. They're about four point seven million 165 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:20,279 into the first Apron grant, and I project, per his 166 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:25,439 proprietary metrics, that's eleven point six million into the tax 167 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,079 overall to thirteen players. It does assume that Russell Westbrook 168 00:07:29,079 --> 00:07:31,600 and Dario Sharz pick up their player options. Russ I 169 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,560 could see him if maybe they say they would bring 170 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:35,199 him back on a one plus one and then that 171 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:37,759 you know, lowers his hit to the actual team. But 172 00:07:37,839 --> 00:07:41,319 like Sharks picking up that player, he would be that like, 173 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,120 why who's yeah, he's picking up He's. 174 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: Not coming close to that money anyplace else, No, no chance. 175 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: Aside from the Jokic extension, they do have Christian Brown 176 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,839 and Peyton Watson up for rookie scale extensions. I'd probably 177 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:56,720 want to spend a little bit of time on that 178 00:07:56,839 --> 00:07:59,199 in terms of how let's spend a little bit of 179 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:03,439 time on it, grant how important is it for players, 180 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,199 like having the players of that caliber lockdown versus should 181 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:09,240 we just play the restricted free agency game with them, 182 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,639 especially given the way that the restricted free agency game 183 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,759 has played out in recent years, And I think we 184 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,480 would both. It's not a matter of well who do 185 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:18,319 you prioritize it the answers Christian Brown there, he's just 186 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,920 showed more. But how do you like both of them 187 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,079 at to say, it's just it's weird and they're both important, 188 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,759 but a lot of the importance, at least when it 189 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,279 comes to Watson, is very much theoretical or overstated, and 190 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:32,519 so like just how do you view that, Like do 191 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,240 you expect an extension to get on or if you're 192 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,559 the Nuggets, how you know how aggressive are you're going 193 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,159 to be in trying to lock down let's say Christian 194 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,080 Brown specifically. 195 00:08:40,879 --> 00:08:44,159 Speaker 2: I think again, I think this will be a case 196 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,799 where the CBA and all the aprons and stuff are 197 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,720 going to change behavior, or they should change behavior, because 198 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,639 if I'm Denver, I'm not extending either of them. I'm 199 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,840 gonna just hope that restricted free agency is a powerful 200 00:08:55,919 --> 00:08:58,759 enough tool that I will get a better deal. And 201 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:01,639 this is especially in the context of I think Bobby 202 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,919 Marks ESPN's Bobby Marks. I don't know what what the 203 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,639 what the question was it was asked of h but 204 00:09:06,639 --> 00:09:09,120 he was discussing an extension for Christian Brown and throughout 205 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,320 the figure of a thirty million dollars starting salary, which 206 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,279 is like, yeah, I get, I mean, he's a starter 207 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:17,600 on a good team and he keeps getting better. But 208 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,639 like I just I'm not in a hurt and that 209 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,360 the CAP's going up, so thirty million isn't what thirty million. 210 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: Used to be. 211 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: I still am not jumping at the first chance to 212 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:33,639 pay my fourth and like seventh best players early. Given 213 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,799 the constraints that the Nuggets have, Like I mean, wouldn't 214 00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:39,879 so Brown's cap hold next summer would be like fourteen million. 215 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:42,039 Speaker 3: I think, So you're gonna you're gonna bump that up, 216 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:42,519 so you're. 217 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: Gonna have two x that, like I just I don't know, 218 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,559 I I and and maybe it's certainly teams will have 219 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,600 more money to spend next year, so the danger of 220 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,159 offer sheets being too high for you to match arises. 221 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,679 But I'm I'm now of the the posture I'm taking 222 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,000 if I'm running a team, especially like a contender or 223 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:01,519 something close to it, is like I'm not doing anything 224 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,840 before I have to with like non essential guys, Like 225 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:08,200 I think, like I'm just gonna wait restrict to free agency. 226 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,000 Is it does provide leverage, It does provide some negotiating power. 227 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:14,960 I think you just think you got to use that 228 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,600 stuff more now, more than ever, right, Like, it's just 229 00:10:17,639 --> 00:10:20,519 too hard if you commit to money before you have 230 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,240 to for guys that are not the absolute top, top 231 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:24,559 top part of your roster. 232 00:10:25,399 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: Right and even I think, so you throw out the 233 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,440 thirty million dollar number, and that's like seventeen under eighteen 234 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,919 percent of the projected salary cap in season one. But like, 235 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,960 if you're gonna make seventeen percent of the salary cap, 236 00:10:40,039 --> 00:10:44,240 you better be close to a bankable player when it's 237 00:10:44,279 --> 00:10:47,200 going to matter. And for Christian Brown, like you kind 238 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,840 of know what he's gonna do defensively at this point, 239 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,279 but the offense is still it's a wild card. Like 240 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,039 he ended up shooting what was it, thirty percent from 241 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,080 three in the playoffs, So you can't be like this 242 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,320 offensive I don't want to say offensive liability, but like, 243 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,879 you don't want to be giving someone who's not draining 244 00:11:02,919 --> 00:11:05,440 threes at a high clip in the playoffs when it 245 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,399 matters most seventy percent of your salary cap like that 246 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:10,399 that is considered a weak point. No, he's not necessarily 247 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,840 someone that you could pick on or that you're going 248 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:14,720 to play off the floor, but given an alternative, And 249 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:17,200 with Peyton Watson, I don't even know what I would 250 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:19,039 give him if I was Denver if so if he 251 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,600 came in, it was like, yeah, I'll sign for four 252 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,480 and forty y'all pounce because that's a you know, sure, 253 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,679 but you can't. I don't even know that he's shown 254 00:11:25,759 --> 00:11:28,960 enough to bet that you should go twelve percent of 255 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,759 the salary cap. Like or whatever twenty million dollars would be. 256 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,399 So that's really interesting and I just don't And you 257 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,519 also have to project forward as to well, knowing that 258 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,720 both of these guys will cost more money, do you 259 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:44,320 look at moving one of them is part of a 260 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,320 different deal, and it would be more likely, I would 261 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,159 think Peyton Watson because the fact of the matter is 262 00:11:49,159 --> 00:11:51,720 is you if you could afford both of them, something 263 00:11:51,799 --> 00:11:55,679 is probably gone terribly wrong to ruin their value. 264 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, good point. 265 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:01,159 Speaker 2: I mean, Watson is fascinating because like I think, you know, 266 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:03,919 athletically and defensively, there's just a lot There is a 267 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,039 lot there and and so I mean, and Brown has 268 00:12:08,039 --> 00:12:11,200 the durability factor, which which also matters for a Nuggets 269 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,320 team that's just gonna be thin. 270 00:12:12,919 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: But like. 271 00:12:14,759 --> 00:12:19,919 Speaker 2: Watson in particular couldn't get major consistent rotation minutes and 272 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:22,320 both of the guys that play ahead of him were hurt, 273 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:23,399 you know, like. 274 00:12:23,399 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: It, so you can't you just can't. 275 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: You can bank on some improvement from him, but like, 276 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:30,360 how much better does he have to get to where 277 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,960 like at least you would play him over and injured 278 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,279 Michael Porter Junior or Aaron Gord, Like there's still more 279 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,679 to go, So like I I think again, I don't 280 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:44,000 think you can pay Watson based on what like the 281 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,120 high end of what you think he'll be able to 282 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:48,159 do in a couple of years, which is how guys 283 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:50,879 very commonly used to get paid. And I think you 284 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:52,279 have to look at like, what did you do for 285 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,519 us when we desperately needed help in this series that's 286 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,879 you know, a week old uh and and they like 287 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,559 try to kind of pay him that way because it's like, 288 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,440 it's not like the Nuggets have this three to five 289 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:06,399 year runway like that. They're gonna have to be major 290 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,879 changes way before that. 291 00:13:08,799 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: Right. Michael Porter Junior is also extension eligible. I do 292 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:14,320 not expect him to sign one. That would be surprising. 293 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:16,759 And just as a housekeeping note, if they are gonna 294 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:20,240 make moves, they can trade up to one like guaranteed 295 00:13:20,279 --> 00:13:21,960 first round pick. They have some swaps to include, but 296 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,039 they can trade twenty thirty one or twenty thirty two. 297 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:26,639 That gets me to my question of and looking at 298 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,080 what Nicole Yokich said about the depth, I agree with 299 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,440 you in theory that's easier to acquire depth, But if 300 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,720 you're not like pieces that aren't costing a ton of money. 301 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,879 In the Nuggets case, though, you almost wonder if it's 302 00:13:36,879 --> 00:13:39,600 the flip side, because the challenges they run into is 303 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,639 Michael Michael Porter Junior would be the collateral damage just 304 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,399 because the money he makes and you can't murray I 305 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,559 know people's thoughts on him. They might not like the contract. 306 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:51,759 He's just too integral to this team offensively, and the 307 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,440 dynamic with Yokich is it's generational, like just that two 308 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,159 man game between them. Aaron Gordon DISPENSEA, Well, you're not 309 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:00,399 doing anything with Yokisch, and so the only other person 310 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,360 who makes real money is Michael Porter Junior or I mean, 311 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,200 you could say Zeke Najy, but like that's a that 312 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,360 contract's underwater and that you run into the problem of one. 313 00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:13,000 Michael Porter Junior's salary is so large that when you 314 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,440 get into matching money, another team has to one view 315 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,679 his contract as a net positive and then two people 316 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,240 willing to send you like two guys back, because if 317 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,120 you're making if you're getting one guy, I don't really 318 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,080 know what you're doing. If it was look, I think 319 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,639 if you could get Kevin Durant for your picks, Michael 320 00:14:30,679 --> 00:14:33,960 Porter Junior and then it's Zeke Najy Dario sars And 321 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,919 I think you need another smaller salary and they are 322 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,720 to make the money work, and you need a third team, sure, 323 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,639 because you're getting rid of that case of four players, 324 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,480 but if only one of them's a rotation player, it's 325 00:14:44,519 --> 00:14:47,440 a wash. But even if you even if I Phoenix said, 326 00:14:47,559 --> 00:14:49,840 we'll accept Peyton Watson and Michael Porter Junior. Is the 327 00:14:49,879 --> 00:14:53,120 base compensation, figure out the money the other teams. You're 328 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:55,320 getting rid of two rotation players for one and Kevin 329 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,559 Durant's like going to be thirty seven, So that's risky. 330 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:01,360 But now, wow, if you're saying, well, you could trade 331 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,879 a smaller salary to get someone here log actual minutes. 332 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,200 If you're the Nuggets, do you have the gall or 333 00:15:06,279 --> 00:15:09,320 is it reckless to say, Zeke Nausey Dario Saritz and 334 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,600 we'll put a first round pick on the table just 335 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,799 to deepen our rotations. You're not getting you can get someone. 336 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,240 I guess that makes some type of money in that 337 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,480 because Charitch and excuse me, Zeke nause you're gonna combine 338 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,679 to make like over thirteen fourteen million whatever it is, 339 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,000 Like that's a pretty big cost when you're looking at 340 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,480 from the Nuggets perspective of a distant first round pick, 341 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,559 right to give up to get someone to fill out 342 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,559 what the sixth or seventh spot in your rotation at best? 343 00:15:34,879 --> 00:15:35,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, have you tried. 344 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: I messed around with a with specifically a Durant and 345 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,679 Porter Junior trade, and I'm roping in the Nets or 346 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,600 who you know, whoever else. It's still not easy, Like, 347 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:48,039 it's still pretty hard to make that work. I think certainly, 348 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,480 like the Nets need to be compensated. And it's like, okay, 349 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:54,320 so Denver is sending what to them then and the 350 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,559 Suns are sending what like a couple seconds? 351 00:15:56,639 --> 00:15:58,519 Speaker 4: Is that enough to just kind of be the be 352 00:15:58,600 --> 00:15:59,120 the helper? 353 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: I would if if the offer was basically like, forget 354 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:06,960 the mechanics of it, Watson and Porter Junior and I'm 355 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,480 the Nuggets and I'm getting Durant back. 356 00:16:08,519 --> 00:16:09,919 Speaker 3: I'm doing that in a heartbeat. 357 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: I really like, I just I think you have to 358 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,840 and you just have to be confident that you can 359 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:18,559 find someone on the minimum that will give you ninety 360 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,840 percent of what Peyton Watson did, which is not a 361 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:24,840 ridiculous you know, like it's very possible, especially if you 362 00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:26,960 know you're not a huge market team, but you're the Nuggets, 363 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,879 you can you can say, hey, all things being equal, 364 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:32,399 free agent, you get to come play with Yokich and 365 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,279 we will have a role for you because we were 366 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:37,000 thin and we just gave up two for one rotation players. 367 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:41,399 You know, so like that might get you somewhere. But yeah, 368 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,639 you normally you would be like, that's crazy. You can't 369 00:16:43,639 --> 00:16:45,639 You're already thin. You can't give up your best shooter 370 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,759 and like the only projectible young like might get a 371 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:51,080 lot better talent you have. But I think you just 372 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,399 have to do that, like that's that's where they are, 373 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,639 Like though, that's the level of move that seems like, yeah, 374 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:57,480 I think that works like for Denver. 375 00:16:57,639 --> 00:16:59,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's funny because I actually was writing something 376 00:16:59,879 --> 00:17:02,159 up out a potential construction, and I think you could 377 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:04,720 look at it as Okay, if you're the Nets, just 378 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:06,440 to they're the team that I'm just gonna involve as 379 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,640 the third party. If you were to send them Peyton Watson, 380 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,480 is that enough to get them to take on Zeke 381 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:16,400 Nauji and or dariosharch and then if your Phoenix, let's 382 00:17:16,519 --> 00:17:18,759 I think the Nets would consider that yeah, and Phoenix 383 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:21,240 might not love Peyton Watson just because he's extension eligible. 384 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:23,880 But if they want Peyton Watson, that changes the mechanics. 385 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:27,880 But is Phoenix gonna accept let's say a swap in 386 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,680 twenty twenty six and Michael Porter Junior and then one 387 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,759 of Denver's first round picks? Is that like Kevin Durant 388 00:17:35,759 --> 00:17:37,920 in that scenario is probably forcing his way to Denver 389 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:40,640 if that's the compensation. The other way you could concoct 390 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,000 it is if you were the Nets, would you just 391 00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:43,319 take on Michael Porter Junior? 392 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 2: That seems less likely to me because I mean, I 393 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,720 I think as if you're if this is a Durant trade, 394 00:17:50,759 --> 00:17:53,160 it feels to me like the Suns are the ones 395 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,160 that really want him. 396 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,319 Speaker 3: Would that want Porter Junior? I guess you know, well, if. 397 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: They just wanted to cut a bunch of money, and 398 00:17:59,799 --> 00:18:03,839 so yeah, you're taking back nause and charge Peyton Watson, 399 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,319 let's say a swap in a first round pick, but 400 00:18:05,319 --> 00:18:07,680 it would be predicated on they want to save a 401 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,960 ton of money and they're kind of leaning into a 402 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:13,039 like that sounds like a gap year situation, and it's oh, 403 00:18:13,079 --> 00:18:16,160 did they require the rights to their own pick, which 404 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,240 is why it's just stretch. But even the stretch might 405 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:19,960 be like, do the Nets want to burn? There was 406 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,799 a thirty five whatever a million dollars of their cap space. 407 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:25,279 I'm just taking Michael Porter Junior because he's not gonna 408 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,960 ruin a rebuilding job, and he really stretches the floor, 409 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,599 and then you could kind of see, well, is there 410 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,319 anything more to him, like in a different type of role, 411 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,640 But that's a lot of It's only two years and 412 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,119 he's not super Bowl, But that's just a lot of 413 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,359 money to say, we're gonna set our cap space on 414 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,000 fire and we're not getting any compensation for it. 415 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:47,759 Speaker 2: I could see the Nets, uh possibly considering that if 416 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,839 if it seemed realistic that you could then trade Porter 417 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,079 down the line for positive value, which is like maybe 418 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,400 as an expiring in a year or something like I 419 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:57,880 don't know. 420 00:18:57,839 --> 00:18:58,799 Speaker 1: Like me, do you? 421 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,319 Speaker 3: Number is still pretty big. 422 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: He would have to stay healthy and be really productive, 423 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,200 and then I do think you probably could get something 424 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,720 else for Porter on the way out. 425 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:09,559 Speaker 3: So that's always kind of nice. 426 00:19:09,559 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: You get you get something for bringing them in and 427 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,720 you get something for sending them out. And if you're 428 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:15,839 Brooklyn in the timelines very long. I think you can 429 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,440 probably think in those terms like we're thinking about the 430 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,359 deal after the deal with with this guy, like that's possible. 431 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,640 I just I just imagine that Phoenix still wants to, 432 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,079 you know, try to compete, but I just don't know. 433 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: More of the story is it's almost easier for the 434 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,400 Nuggets to pull off that type of a trade just 435 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,400 because of the salaries they have involved rather than Yeah, 436 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,240 in theory, again nause and or Sharich plus assets get 437 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,440 but are you willing to give up the few assets 438 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,759 that you have to make a move that on the 439 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:49,799 grand scale that player might or probably won't crack your 440 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,400 closing lineup. That's tough. And so then it leaves you 441 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,640 with what can they do in free agency? And so 442 00:19:56,039 --> 00:19:58,400 if they want to use the miniml E, they're going 443 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,720 to have to stay beneath the second apron. They have 444 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:03,440 about seven point one million dollars in wiggle room right 445 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,160 now beneath that again, projecting those options get picked up 446 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:08,599 if you want to fill out an entire roster, that 447 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:11,039 gets really tight. The other thing I would point out 448 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:12,839 is I know that it's a different it's going to 449 00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:15,160 be a different front office their last two Mini em 450 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:17,920 Le signings. You've kind of seen like those can blow 451 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,960 up in your face or just not be anything, which 452 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,759 is why a lot of the teams end up not 453 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,519 using that, especially if they're a tax team. And so 454 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:26,799 with Denver Itz there's already the Bruce Brown stuff. He 455 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:29,440 posted about David Adaman getting hired. I don't know if 456 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,160 anyone's watched Bruce I'm not. This isn't even me being patronizing. 457 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,440 I don't if anyone's watched Bruce Brown lately. One, he 458 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,160 hasn't played a ton because he was in here for 459 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,359 a huge part of this year. Just doesn't look like 460 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,039 the same player. Maybe he gets some of the Jokic 461 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,079 magic back coming to Denver. But like I even gave 462 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,960 the thought of, let's say the minimal he's available to him, 463 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,119 are we sure? Like New Orleans just doesn't want like 464 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,319 another trade placeholder to where they'll be like, well, we'll 465 00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:51,880 give you ten million, And Bruce Brown's not in a 466 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,519 position to just be like, yeah, no, I'm gonna give 467 00:20:53,559 --> 00:20:55,759 up that extra five for right million dollars. 468 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's it's it's at least you've got 469 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,279 something above the minimum. Although getting hard cap that the 470 00:21:01,279 --> 00:21:03,440 second apron is. I mean, I don't know how much 471 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,079 of a difference that makes. I would like to avoid 472 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,279 a hard cap if I can, if I'm Denver, But like, 473 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,559 could you get I don't know, like Gary Trent with 474 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,559 that five point seven, Like I don't know, maybe maybe 475 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:16,680 not Like it's don't you know it's a raise from 476 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:17,559 what he got last year? 477 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, because Malik Beasley went off and had a really 478 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:22,160 good year in Milwaukee, I'll say last year, and then 479 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,279 he only gets six million dollars from the Pistons. And 480 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,039 so if like maybe, like but I'm sitting here saying, 481 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:28,960 like Garry Track Junior should get at least half of 482 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,400 the non taxpayer bid level, right, maybe I'm maybe I'm 483 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:31,799 just wrong. 484 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 485 00:21:32,519 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 2: Well, yeah those are and is that even the kind 486 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,680 of player you want? I guess you can ask. 487 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: What's your like when you're getting into Yeah, we know depth, 488 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,759 but like, what are kind of the biggest pain points 489 00:21:41,799 --> 00:21:43,039 for this team they need to target? 490 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: I mean, so as if the starting five is intact, 491 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,839 like I think, if you move porter, then like obviously 492 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,279 you just need more shooting like that that makes it easier. 493 00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:57,319 Speaker 1: But as as it is even if you don't move, that's. 494 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: The question, like do you because then you're talking about 495 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,799 we we are just talking about depth pieces because I 496 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:07,000 don't think there's anyone you trade for that doesn't involve 497 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,880 you giving up a starter where you're like, I'm gonna 498 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,599 play this guy over Brown, for example, like that Brown's 499 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:13,400 gonna start. The starting five is gonna be what it 500 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,839 is unless you trade Porter Junior. I think, right that 501 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,039 seems like the most likely scenario. 502 00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:21,519 Speaker 3: So yeah, just you gotta have. 503 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 2: You just have to have like more like a two 504 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,039 three or like a combo forward with some athleticism. Basically 505 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,240 I'm like kind of Watsony but like can shoot it. 506 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:35,440 Like I just all the players you would talk about, 507 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,440 like you can't get Like I want a Peyton Watson 508 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:38,960 who can shoot. 509 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 4: Okay, that guy's like a forty million dollar player. 510 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: You may have just described like Trey Murphy but not 511 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,000 at the same level of defender. 512 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm that's a good question. 513 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,279 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you'd say, Okay, let's go through 514 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:54,720 what you normally Okay, DeAndre DeAndre Jordan's their backup center, Like, Okay, 515 00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:56,799 they need more depth there. It's like, well, Aaron Gordon's 516 00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:59,279 gonna play backup five in the games that matter. 517 00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm like still a little Deron Holmes pilled just the iies, 518 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,319 but the idea of like a floor spacing pig man 519 00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:06,680 who could protect the rim, I'm like. 520 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: Right, well, and he's another guy that if you're looking 521 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,880 to make moves, like some team might value, like the 522 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,279 Nets might value him, but like the salary matching, it's 523 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,920 he makes a little that it's hard to say, but 524 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:20,759 like that is a piece they could move unless you 525 00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:23,000 think he really is gonna matter in the rotation next year. 526 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:26,079 Speaker 1: I thought, because they do, I think you could use 527 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,440 a backup because you don't Holmes is that's gonna be 528 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:30,400 his day facto rookie season, so you don't know how 529 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,240 he's gonna look. He's coming off a major injury as well, 530 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:34,680 so they do still need to get some type of 531 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,920 a backup big. But it's I've kind of wondered, like 532 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:39,160 does Chris Bouchet go for the minimum this year or 533 00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:41,640 is Toronto gonna make him a lifer and basically and 534 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:43,359 build a statue that's what they should do. 535 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 3: Probably what does. 536 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: Dayron Sharp go for? Like those are guys that probably 537 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,519 should get more in the minimum, but they could be 538 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:50,960 useful names to monitor and the other need. I would 539 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,839 agree with all the needs you said. The one that 540 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,759 I think you didn't mention is just in upgrade from 541 00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:59,559 the Russell Westbrook spot to where you do want a 542 00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:02,279 different You want a ball handler and a decision maker 543 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:05,680 behind Jamal Mariy Nicole Jokic. You need that. I'll frame 544 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:07,960 it this way. You need that player to be less 545 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,000 destructive than Russell Westbrook can be. I know what he 546 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,799 can do at his peak, but like his nay DearS 547 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,119 are legitimately destructive. 548 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: You you should not win or lose games because of 549 00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:22,880 Russell Westbrook, given like his spot in the rotation, but 550 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,200 like he more than almost anybody that comes off of 551 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,720 a bench for a team like is capable of actually 552 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,039 losing you a game, which is just like the Yeah, 553 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:34,640 the highs and lows are just too far apart and 554 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,640 it feels dangerous. 555 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 4: The problem is, like, can you go get a minimum? 556 00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: I guess I don't know. 557 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:43,079 Speaker 2: I guess you'd still call Russell point guard even though 558 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,640 a lot of the time he's just not in that 559 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,400 role because the next Thenuggets have Jokic, But like can 560 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,440 you get somebody for that cheap that can give you 561 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,839 the highs that what that Westbrook gives you. 562 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,559 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 563 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: But you you'll, you'll just you'll have like the yeah, you'll, you'll, 564 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,480 you'll just sort of like I don't know if you'll 565 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,839 get Tighest Jones or something. It's like, well, that's gonna 566 00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:05,440 be a lot steadier, but like he also might just 567 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,079 not be able to play in a second round series 568 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,559 or something like that. You know, like you you're just 569 00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:12,200 making concessions no matter what. 570 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: Can I give you two names that I thought of. 571 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,720 I was trying to think it through the lens of 572 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,119 could these guys potentially play in the playoffs for them 573 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,960 and they all into the miniml territory. I have two 574 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,400 names here, Chris Paul. That'd be kind of fun, right, 575 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,240 or to dominate the ball too much for you? His 576 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:28,119 shooting nose absurd. 577 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:28,599 Speaker 3: That's the thing. 578 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,519 Speaker 2: The shooting would really matter. And I think, like I 579 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,720 think I do like that. I like that a lot better. 580 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,599 Speaker 4: Than Russ just for comparison's sake. 581 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,319 Speaker 3: No, sure, I just talked about his highs. I thought 582 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,440 i'd set it up pretty well. 583 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: The other name I had and this is you get into. 584 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,640 I mean, Chris Paul's all you get an injury risk 585 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,640 here too, and I feel like he'll get more than 586 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,839 the minimlle. But Malcolm Brogden, Yeah, yeah, he's gonna be 587 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:53,559 pretty sod after, don't you think? Yeah? I thought that too. 588 00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:56,759 I was also wondering it would require them playing I 589 00:25:56,759 --> 00:25:59,680 think like we're gonna play ultra huge and Aaron Gordon's 590 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,400 gonna be are de facto three at points. What if 591 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,119 he's just looking like because we know this team is 592 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,079 gonna be cutting costs, can you sell Al Horford on 593 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,440 the MINIMLI to just come ring Chase in Denver and 594 00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:12,599 like alongside slash behind Nicole yo Kich Or is that 595 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,799 not a look that you want to because I don't 596 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,119 know that he checks He checks one of their needs, 597 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,200 which is also probably their like smallest tall, like you 598 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,559 have yokicch at center, so focusing on a backup center. 599 00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:26,000 But if you think they could play together and you 600 00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,559 we know they like to run size, I mean him 601 00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:31,440 and Yokich and Porter at the three shore, but could 602 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,839 you get away with Gordon at three? Is that just overkills? 603 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:35,640 That a waste of the miniml E at that point. 604 00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: No, I think that's I think if the Nuggets got 605 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,119 Horford for the Mini mL E, we would give their 606 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,920 offseason and a plus and just move on. 607 00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: I would. 608 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 2: I think that's yeah, you're right that it's like, well, 609 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:50,680 do you really like can he fit? Do you really 610 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,160 It's like, no, he solves a lot of problems, and like, okay, 611 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,000 so Gordon and Horford are your three four. Like those 612 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,400 guys can both shoot, that's fine, and they can guard 613 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,160 their position. That's fine, that'll work. 614 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: And I have a trade pitch that I don't know 615 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,920 if I support it, but I just wanted to see 616 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,519 what you would think of it. But I didn't want 617 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,920 to ask you first. I saw a lot of people 618 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,880 like talking about what the Nuggets needed, and it was 619 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,720 framed through they just need like all this defensive help. 620 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,839 And I don't know if I'm reading too much into 621 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,039 the Oklahoma City Thunder series, but I came away just thinking, yeah, okay, 622 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:23,279 they could use more two way players if you But 623 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,279 what I was thinking two way I was they really 624 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,160 just need some more consistent offensive juice. And it was oh, 625 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,359 that was a big moment when Julian Strather went off, 626 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:32,160 but you can't count him to do that every game, 627 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,440 and you can't count him on defense. And so it's 628 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,440 not that I'm saying it needs to be offensively focused, 629 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,000 but I do find myself wondering if they can get 630 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,160 more dynamic on the offensive end more than I'm wondering 631 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,680 like we kind of saw it they were able to 632 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,880 lock in defensively. 633 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the defense is it can be and 634 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,160 was good enough. 635 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,519 Speaker 3: You know, like what the. 636 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: Difference in that series if if you want to really 637 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:57,400 just cherry pick stuff like, is the Nuggets needed a 638 00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:01,079 guy like Strawther or they needed st Author to do 639 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,039 what he did twice instead of just once in that 640 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,519 series and maybe the Nuggets just win it. So like 641 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:08,960 that's kind of a low bar. The other thing too, 642 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,160 we haven't really given a lot of, uh, I don't know, 643 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,519 consideration to the idea of organic improvement, So like could 644 00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:19,880 the Strawthers and Pickets and Tyson's and Holmes I guess, 645 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,119 uh yeah, Holmes, I keep I We've talked about Dayron 646 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,200 Sharp and Dayron Holmes and so now I'm just going 647 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:27,480 to confuse him for the rest of the time. 648 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 3: But we're talking about Holmes. Could there be. 649 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 2: If you're whoever ends up running the Nuggets. Could you 650 00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:37,000 imagine that person coming in and saying, like, I actually 651 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,599 think the four or five young guys we have might 652 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,160 just be good enough to get a little better and 653 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,440 then we don't have the same issues anymore. Or are 654 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,640 we just kind of foreclosing on that now? 655 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: Are you hiring Jaellen Pickets? Uncle? 656 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,279 Speaker 2: It's really more strawther I think, and then the homes 657 00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:56,160 the unknown of Holmes. But like that is a I 658 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,440 mean teams think that way sometimes when the options all 659 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,720 suck for like importing talent, you just say like, oh, 660 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,200 we kind of like our we like our developmental guys, 661 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,440 Like one or two of them's gonna pop? 662 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 3: Is there anybody is straw the gonna pop? 663 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: Do you think that's a possibility or is it? Denver 664 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,440 is never gonna give him the chance, and that's been 665 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:13,039 the problem. 666 00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,799 Speaker 3: I don't lean that way, but uh, you know that 667 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,759 happens sometimes. 668 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,279 Speaker 1: He seems to us so having someone who I do 669 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,240 try to like read and listen to a lot of 670 00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:24,559 nugget centric stuff, it seems like he's someone who's more 671 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:27,839 intriguing to us from the ten thousand foot view than 672 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:31,559 people who are like more intimately covering them. But there's 673 00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:33,400 just something about the way that he can get off 674 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,799 shots where it's team needs that. 675 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 2: The type of players were suggesting, maybe they go out 676 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,880 and look for if you're just talking scouting reports kind 677 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,960 of sound a lot like what Strawther is supposed to be, 678 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,440 you know, like it's always dangerous. You're right, I think 679 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,680 we are just like, well, he's this old and he 680 00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,279 can do these things, because that was his pre draft 681 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,039 scouting report. He's barely played, but if you watch him 682 00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:58,400 every day and you're not in, I'm just gonna believe you, 683 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,759 you know, you know what I mean, Like I'm gonna 684 00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:02,720 believe the night to night Nuggets fans that are like, 685 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,480 he ain't it, I'll believe them. 686 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,559 Speaker 4: Over my opinion, would you who says no. 687 00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: To this trade? Peyton Watson the Nuggets first round picked 688 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,759 if they could trade, and then you're using the Sharch 689 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,640 and Nase Nausey money, so you're not gonna get hard 690 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,359 capped as part of this deal. If that's any you know, 691 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,000 if that does it for. 692 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: You for Kobe White, I think Denver should do that. 693 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,160 So I guess I guess I'm saying the bulls say no, 694 00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:30,319 but would you, I don't know if they would. 695 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,039 Speaker 1: So you're getting it'd be Watson in the pick is 696 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,880 the primary compensation. I don't know if that's enough for 697 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,160 Kobe White. He's going to be an expiring contract. If 698 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,359 it's not, does like including a swap move the needle 699 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,359 of that offer at all? Is then that overkill? From 700 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,680 Denver's perspective. 701 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 2: That's like everything they can You know, that's almost everything 702 00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:53,640 right if you use the first that the twenty thirty 703 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,880 one or thirty two is going out and the twenty six, 704 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,240 So why is that the one that it was, say 705 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:01,559 twenty six and that's going out and. 706 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,039 Speaker 1: The twenty six swap? Denver even sort of like the 707 00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,119 bulls trying to win the press conference, like, oh, look 708 00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:09,880 at what we got that we're never gonna use. 709 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: That is that's a good point. 710 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I don't I mean White, because White would 711 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,519 be we've we've you could talk me into Kobe White 712 00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:22,279 virtually anywhere you know like that that that that feels 713 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:24,519 like the through line so far of any Kobe White discussions. 714 00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:26,079 But I would do that from Denver. 715 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: You even just knowing we're gonna run into a Megget. 716 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,960 He has to be paid. Brown has to be paid. 717 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,119 You're you're kind of we know that things are gonna 718 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,400 change between now and the twenty six offseason, but now 719 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,759 we're looking at it going so things are gonna change, 720 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:40,279 and we just burned all of our best. 721 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's where they're at though, Like they're 722 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,920 they're a step short of like Milwaukee, you know, like 723 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,960 a year behind Milwaukee, because Milwaukee won it, what was 724 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,240 it one year before the Nuggets did, And now that 725 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:55,119 the Bucks I can't do anything and the Nuggets can 726 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,200 do like a thing, and then next time they won't 727 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,160 be able to do anything. I think that's just if 728 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,680 you're gonna try to keep this a contender, you're just like, 729 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,960 those are those are your choices? Like they're all bad, 730 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:06,599 They're they're all asset depleting. 731 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: But I would say what's more appealing is I did 732 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,359 come out of that Thunder series thinking, Okay, the Nuggets 733 00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:15,079 were closer to being a title team this year than 734 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,359 I thought. Yeah, because there just came a point, like 735 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,640 right around the time that they fire Michael Malone, where 736 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,359 it seemed as if, no, like they're so far away 737 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,400 and maybe they should consider like do you look at 738 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,279 moving from wmal Murray to Orlando and just seeing what 739 00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:28,279 you could get to that. I don't think they need 740 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,960 to head down that path. And so for me, from 741 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,559 my perspective, I'm saying, you don't want to do anything 742 00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:36,400 stupid just for the sake of doing it. But they 743 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,039 are good enough to say, you know what, like, yeah, 744 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:40,599 we're gonna roll this dice and go with the Kobe 745 00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:43,000 White type trade. That would be look, we solved it 746 00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:45,200 Kobe White and then sign Al Horford with the minimlle 747 00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,440 how many variations of trade for Derek White sign Al 748 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,400 Horford are we gonna throw out this off season? And 749 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,599 that's the perfect offseason. 750 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 4: Every contender will be included in that conversation. 751 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, I want to be in front of this 752 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,119 with Nuggets fans because we've gotten it from other fan 753 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,400 bases after Derek White trade talks. You cannot get Derek 754 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,000 White for expiring salary in one first round pick. That 755 00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:05,960 is not something that is gonna I'm not even trying 756 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,440 to be condescending or like dunk on anyone. That is 757 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,279 just a lot of scenarios I've seen thrown out there. 758 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,920 It's just not gonna happen. So the Nuggets cannot trade 759 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:13,519 for Derek White. 760 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 4: It's not happening, doesn't seem does not seem likely. 761 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,599 Speaker 2: I would just say last thing is like you have 762 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,359 Jokic in his prime, and you have a couple other 763 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:27,279 very expensive players. If you're if you're not like really 764 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:29,880 thinking about mortgaging everything you have for one or two 765 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,039 more shots, like you're kind of going about it wrong 766 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,599 because you're guess you will Denver, You're never everyone who's 767 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,160 listening to this in your lifetime, the Nuggets will never 768 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:39,519 have a. 769 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 3: Player better than Jokic like that. 770 00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:41,759 Speaker 1: This is it. 771 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,599 Speaker 2: This is the pinnacle of the Nuggets experience for the 772 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,079 next however many decades. 773 00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 3: So like you gotta this is and it's. 774 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:51,799 Speaker 2: Even different than like, oh, the Warriors owe it to 775 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,799 Steph who's thirty six. It's like, no, there's an argument 776 00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:57,279 to be made that you you kind of need to 777 00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:59,680 think about the next little while, Like Yokic is younger 778 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,960 than that and better than Steph right now. 779 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 4: So it's I just you have to go for it. 780 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:06,480 That's all there is to it. 781 00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: And to be fair, our argument to the Warriors was 782 00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:11,159 you go for it with Steph, So if we're going 783 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,360 to say that about the thirty six, thirty seven year old, 784 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,280 right Curry, you do it with a thirty year old 785 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,159 Jokich very quickly. Is there any scenario, just because I 786 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,880 think some people will suggest this, I would assume mostly 787 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,519 not Nuggets fans, there's no way that you trade Jamal 788 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:25,320 Murray and get better, right. I was even trying to 789 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,039 think of, like, I think Orlando might give you Jallen 790 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,559 Suggs and a pick and like Tristan da Silva or something, 791 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,239 but like, are you better defensively? I guess sure, but 792 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,679 I just can't find that. If you were trying to 793 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,000 target cost cutting and draft equity, yes you could do. 794 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:41,239 I think you could do a lot of things with 795 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,719 Jamal Murray, but I think it will be suggested nationally 796 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,840 at some point of not being suggested already, and I 797 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,400 just don't view that as I don't even necessarily view 798 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,800 trade Michael Porter Junior as the move. I think the 799 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,119 move the outlaid with Kobe White, where it's can you 800 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,039 make some type of a trade with those smaller contracts, 801 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,320 include an asset and then use your mini mL E 802 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,400 you hope to expand your rotation by two players which 803 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,719 would have made a world of difference in this postseason. 804 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you can 805 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,480 get better trading Murray. I don't think while acknowledging he 806 00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,320 did kind of show again that he can hit a 807 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,320 playoff level that's just way above his career and regular 808 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,760 season level, Like that's just the thing we should expect now. 809 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 3: But like, I don't. 810 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 2: That's not to say that his contract is viewed as 811 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,000 any as like, well, that's just that's right for what 812 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:32,559 he for what he is as a player. So like you, 813 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,280 it's maybe it's as simple as saying, like he's just 814 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,320 worth more to Denver than he could possibly be to 815 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,119 any other team, and so that's why you can't get 816 00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:41,400 positive value for him. 817 00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:43,159 Speaker 1: Do you have anything else on me? He's Nuggets or 818 00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:44,400 are you ready to take us out of here? 819 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: I will just say I'm ecstatic for when they get 820 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:47,599 Kobe White and Al Horford. 821 00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 3: That would be a lot of fun. Sorry to all 822 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:49,760 the other. 823 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:53,039 Speaker 1: Teams that we're gonna send the same exact two players. 824 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 3: Yeah right. 825 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,559 Speaker 4: Thanks everybody for listening, for watching, Make sure you're rate 826 00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:59,440 with units. Subscribe wherever you are consuming. 827 00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:01,159 Speaker 3: This fine podcast thing. Video content. 828 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:04,599 Speaker 4: If you're watching this on YouTube, it just comes up there. 829 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: Make sure make sure you're subscribed there. 830 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 4: Gave this comment, Tell your friends, tell your enemies, shops Frank. 831 00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: Making apologies JAREDI 832 00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 2: Mm hmm