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Speaker 2: All right, we are back again with a brand new

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episode of Worse or Better. Filling in once again for

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my second favorite irishwoman is one of my favorite people

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from Detroit one Adam. Don't call him Gabe kid.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Yeah, I don't claim mister Gabe

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Speaker 2: Nor should you, but thank you again for filling in

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so we could get another episode of this podcast out,

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because again, if you had not been able to join me,

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it would have been me alone, which I would actually probably

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listened back to deleted, and then there just be no episode,

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which would be even worse probably.

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Speaker 3: And luckily for you. I don't have much of a life.

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I'm old, I've been married for pretty much a full lifetime,

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and my kids are growing out of the house and

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so I just sit around thinking about wrestling and lifting

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weights and play softball once in a while. So I

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got a lot of time on my hands.

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Speaker 2: I also have a lot of time in my hands,

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which is why I have this gig to begin with.

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So let's see, last week, you and I were chatting

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about just basically the last year in wrestling and whether

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or not we're doing worse or better. We talked about AW,

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we talked about WB, and at one point we briefly

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were mentioning the four Pillars of AW and we thought, hey,

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that might not be a bad, worser better episode, And

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hopefully we were right, because that episode is this episode

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right now. Right now, you're listening to that episode. It's

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very exciting. Just to update people. By the way, I

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still have not mowed my lawn and it has gotten insane.

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I'm losing dogs out there. It's up to my knees

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and it just keeps raining every day. So I keep

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putting it off. And the problem didn't go away by

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ignoring it, like Adam had told me it would very

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just I apologize.

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Speaker 3: See I ignored mine, and we've been so hot in

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a drought. Mine's just burnt. So it doesn't need to

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be cut lucky bastard and you're burnt ground. No, I

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live in a jungle now, which is fine, But we're

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not here to talk about jungles mowing the lawn.

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Speaker 2: We're here to talk about wrestling, in particular the AEW

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four pillars, Adam, in your opinion, how would you describe

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what the four pillars even are in wrestling or in

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AW specifically. I know it originated in all Japan there

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was some sort of four pillars of heaven I think

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with what they called it, I assutin that's where this

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Speaker 4: But the AAW version, of course, was kind of coined

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by MJF in the middle of a random promo in

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twenty twenty one, but it's kind of been accepted as

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cannon since then.

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Speaker 2: But like, what do you consider to be like a

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pillar in a young wrestling.

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Speaker 3: Company, which is the situation we're kind of right talking

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about to me When at the inception of AW, what

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I would consider to be who would be eligible to

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be a pillar would have been an unestablished performer that

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was young and you felt like had something that was

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going to help to take your company to the next

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level as they matured. That's that's what I in my

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head when I hear pillar and wrestling, So like when

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they started, it wouldn't have been a Moxley or a Jericho,

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a Kenny, the Bucks or Cody. Those were your most

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established named people at the start of your company, and

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I meant from the jump who they chose as their pillars,

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I can get I could get down with two of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, hey, half ain't bad, but yeah, so

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I and I kind of agree with your definition of

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what I would consider a pillar, like I would want

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it to be like a homegrown talent that could I

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mean basically, the definition of an actual pillar is to

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help hold things up right, So somebody who's gonna help

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booie your company in the future and could be like

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a big homegrown star that had wasn't our established. So

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you're right, I wouldn't count Moxley, the Bucks, Omega any

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of those people because they've made their name outwhere, even

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though I mean all of those people I think have

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been an AAW longer than they wrestled, like Moxley has

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like past his Dean Ambrose time in AAW.

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Speaker 3: I think yeah, for main Roster, I think you're right

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because his main roster room was what twenty fourteen two

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when he left the company in like twenty eighteen, twenty.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen, yeah, so it was like four or five years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been with AW since the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Has done some good work and good worship.

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Speaker 2: Some good like his style, some questionable work, some good promos,

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some weird promos. He's run the gamut, he really has.

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But that's Moxley and he's not eligible to be a pillar.

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So who are our pillars? I think most people, especially

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AW fans, know exactly who the pillars are.

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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna run out saw yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: So they are Darby Allen, Sammy Guivara, jungle Jack Perry

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a jungle boy at the time when he was a pillar,

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and of course Maxwell, Jacob Friedman MJF. Now these are

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all another thing. This isn't We didn't specify this as

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an important part of it. But they are all very young.

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Seven years ago, they were all in their mid to

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early twenties. MJF was like twenty two when he joined.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was very young, very young, like John Evans young.

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Speaker 2: Right, So I mean I think we can just kind

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of go through these kind of talk about what they've accomplished,

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how they're doing as a pillar, and I guess the

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show is worse or better. So we're going to determine

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whether or not the pillars, either individually or as a group,

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are doing better or worse now than you know in

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twenty nineteen when we first started this crazy thing. We're

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just gonna start with Darby Allen so we can get

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some of the vitriol out of you.

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Speaker 3: Start.

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Speaker 2: So say what she went about Darby Allen. He is

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currently a former world champion, So yes, he is, based

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on that metric, very successful pillar at him.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's also TNT champion what two or three times?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, and he had a.

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Speaker 3: Team champion once, was sing correct?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 3: So I'll say this from a booking standpoint, he's been

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booked very well as a pillar of their company. If

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it was my company, he wouldn't work there. But that's me.

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I just don't I think he's a negative. I know

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I'm going to get flag from that from people, but

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I think that he's a throwback to an era of

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people doing dumb shit that has long term ramification on

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their overall health and longevity in life. And the fact

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that he can continue to still do some of the

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dumb things he does while he can watch Nick Foley

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barely be able to walk down a ramp to interview

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somebody in the ring. I mean, but here's the thing.

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People love him. He's got appealed to other people.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: I'm in the minority, you know. And he'd be fine

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as this little mid card, you know, little engine that

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could I could get along. Would the minute they start

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trying to push him as a world champion, you lost me.

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If I know, if I know that I, as a

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fifty year old man, can kick your champion's ass. You

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don't have a champion, and I can kick Darby Allen's ass.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely believe that. I mean to be fair. The

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podcast listeners can't see you, but oh you do his clients.

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It's pretty obvious what happened there. I think Darby and

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I would have a pretty good fight. He would probably

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wear me down just by.

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Speaker 3: Running around like a crazy That would be the one

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more than about forty five seconds, I'm going to be

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sucking for wind. So he's got that. I'm gonna be

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going for a quick knockout. I'm not built for I'm

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not built to go the distance?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hear you saying that you feel like

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you're in the minority of this and in a AEW

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centric like around AW fans, you probably are AW fans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Derby.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to like about Derby. He's young, he

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loves wrestling, and he loves the company. I mean, that's

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a good thing. He's a very loyal guy for that.

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And the crazy bumps, like you said, that's going to

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come back, and that's not a good look at times

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for AEW, but people do appreciate him like doing whatever.

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Like we've said this before, like a regular Derby match

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will have like five bumps in it. That would be

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like the worst bump of most people's career. Yeah, which, again,

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whether that's a good or a bad thing, you've used

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my different on that. You and I are actually not

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that far on Derby though, because I was, I was

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also not behind his World Championship run. I ended up

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enjoying it. I thought it was well done, but it

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was never like super believable.

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Speaker 3: Right, And I didn't watch it as you you know this, right,

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And I said it in on the post show the

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day one, and I go that I will not watch

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or comment or be on another post show as long

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as he's the champion. And I stayed away until he

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lost and then I was back. So I'm nothing if

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I'm not a man of my word. And you know

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I was against a championship run for him when they

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did it. The timing to me was not right. Ten

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years from now, you want to give him the Sammy Zaane,

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You're getting towards the tail end of your career. If

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it doesn't happen now, it's probably never going to happen.

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The timing with the Darby one just made no sense

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whatsoever from a just where they were going with all

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the main storylines going into all In, it just didn't

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make any sense. And just it felt forced to shoe

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and hot shot and that as another And I thought

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that we'll get to MGF in a minute. He is

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the biggest star in your company. And I didn't understand

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cutting his legs out from underneath him to just give

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it back to him a month later, and then just

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to have him lose it again to Kenny. Just from

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a booking standpoint, you have just have MGF lose the

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title to Kenny when he lost it to Darby, if

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that's what you wanted to do, and then give yourself

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plenty of time to build that story with Kenny and Osprey.

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But that's you know, that was my biggest complaint, and

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I just I just have a hard time, and I

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know it makes me sound like an asshole, but I

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just have a really hard time with him. And then

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we'll talk about another guy here in a minute. If

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you weigh under one hundred and sixty pounds, I can't

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believe you as a heavyweight champion. I just can't, so

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to me automatically disqualification from that, and it disqualifies you

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as you wouldn't be a pillar in my company. That's me.

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But if we got to say worse or better how

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he's done since the inception, you gotta say it's better.

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Speaker 2: Not only like you said, the booking obviously makes them

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look better, but I think he has improved like when

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he first started, like he couldn't cut a promo or

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he's very good, too good promo at this point. Yeah,

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which I wouldn't have guessed, especially at his inception. But

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I'm still with you if I were booking, obviously, I'm

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not if it was my Company, T and T Championship,

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International Champion, whatever, all the thirty random belts. Those are

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all fine, but I think world titles should be like

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a little special. And I agree with you about the timing,

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because even though we say he's doing better now than

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he was an exception, he's been a successful pillar in

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that way. What is he actually doing right now? Boiler,

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You and I are recording this instead of watching Redemption

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at this very moment, But what was Darby doing on

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that pay per view anything? I mean, he's I guess,

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feuding with Kevin Knight, but Kevin Knight is in the

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world title match and Darby is right just hanging around,

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And I mean he lost to Kevin on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he'll make an appearance with a flamethrower something.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we have left out the dumb weapons and

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stuff that he's also introduced.

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Speaker 3: And one other thing, yeah, and one other thing I

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don't like if you want to be a pillar for

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a company. To me, he's loyal, but you also have

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to be dependable. And I feel like he was never

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hotter than he was leading into towards all in last year,

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and everybody thought that he was going to be the

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one to take out Mox and it was more important

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for him to go to do Mount Everest than it

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was and totally undid the story they were telling. And

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then the kind of then hangman moved in and took

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over the story. But the original story was that it

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was Darby trying to go after the death writers. And

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then he was like, Hey, I'm glad you put me

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in this top of the card storyline, but you know,

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I need to go do something dangerous in my personal

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life just because I you know, I need an adrenaline rush, kid,

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So I gotta go. I'll see you in three months.

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And yeah, he turned me off to him too.

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Speaker 2: That was that's ill advised. It's odd to think about

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Darby about being like unreliable. You'd assume it is because

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he's constantly get injured, but no, he's been pretty durable

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despite the bumps.

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Speaker 3: But no, yeah, yeah, but he's missed time for the

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concussion that he had in the Kevin Knight match Corrupt.

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Then he get concussed really bad in the.

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Speaker 2: It was something he had from the content of class

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I guess.

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Speaker 3: And then when he got hit by the bus when

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he was jerking around in New York or whatever it was,

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and he got in had to miss a little bit

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of time with like a foot injury or something.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but you would assume that he's constantly out

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injured when really the most significant portion and important time

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for him to be around he missed because he went

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to climbing.

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Speaker 3: Up well, you know, so you know they say about

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babies though, is that like their bones aren't fully developed

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and they're more so compliable. So maybe it's just he

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hasn't hit puberty yet and when he becomes a full

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real man then he'll, uh, he'll get.

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Speaker 2: More, he'll start feeling these Well, we got that to

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look forward to. But that's Darby. I think we've determined

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that he is, against all odds, he is. He's a

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better and he's in at least some way helped the

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company some. So he's been a successful piller. To go.

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Kind of the other end of that, let's talk about

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Sammy Guivara, the Spanish god, who is a Spanish I guess,

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so his accomplishments are not world champion. It is several

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T and T title reigns. That's true. Good for that

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and good for a good match. I mean, he can

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go out there and have a banger. That's why they

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hang it out in r O H.

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Speaker 3: So held a bunch of titles in r O H.

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Tag titles, six man titles. You know. Yeah, if there's

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one thing we can say about a W they have titles.

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Speaker 2: They do. They're like RBS, except for the have the

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titles instead of the meats. Right, they're actually lacking in

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meat in general, I would say, but they got the titles.

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And I mean there was a time when you I

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understand why they had him kind of singled out as

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a pillar. He was young, he had kind of a cocky,

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arrogant kind of charisma about him, and it seemed like

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he could like really rise up the ranks and make

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a difference. And then I mean, like anybody that's aligned

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with Jericho, does that happen.

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Speaker 3: Well, And I don't think you can blame Jericho for Sammy.

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Speaker 2: Well not for Sammy. You can blame Jericho for a while,

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but you're right, Sammy was probably beyond his control.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, at the beginning, I knew nothing of

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Samy Guavara before I watched the very first match on

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the very first nine. I've never heard of them, and

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I was like, well, this is interesting. You must think

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pretty highly of this guy because the very first match,

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the first thing you've seen on their television was him

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versus Cody, right, and you know, and then they align

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them immediately with Chris Jericho.

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Speaker 2: Which is a good sign, especially with.

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Speaker 3: Any of the other Pillars. So I'm like, to me,

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he's the second most talented pillar.

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Speaker 2: I can see that. Yeah, like in the ring.

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Speaker 3: Athletically, yeah, he's got the look, but but he's got

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a two cent brain.

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Speaker 2: He is also maybe he might be tied for first

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and dumbit. I mean, when you look at some of

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the stuff Darby does, he's not high on the brain.

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Speaker 3: Scan Darby's Darby's dumbness only hurts Derby, That's true. Sammy's

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dumbness hurts He's done a lot of dumb shit that's

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hurt not only hurt the people he's wrestling, but his

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could have hurt the company as a whole. Like the whole.

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You go out and you're proposed to your girlfriend and

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then you break up with her and start diddling one

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of your coworkers and you know the he almost killed

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Matt Hardy like twice, didn't he Yeah, him really bad

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two times.

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Speaker 2: That was I blame on those and I blame a

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w doctors for that.

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Speaker 3: They're not if I was having a medical event, don't

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let any other doctors touch me.

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Speaker 2: You know, if Zach were here, he would remind you

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that Doc Sampson saved Jerry the King Lahler's life.

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Speaker 3: Yep. And I also seen a drunk guy save somebody

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by giving him CPR once. Sometimes shit just happens. You

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get lucky.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've never saved anybody's life or killed anybody though,

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so at least I'm a neutral figure. Yeah, but yeah, Sammy,

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like he looks like he was gonna do some stuff,

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and he, like I said, you always seem like I

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had like personality, especially as a heel. And then they

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tried to turn him babyface, and you know what, he

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could not do cut a promo or express even a

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drop of charisma as a babyface. He embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: There's some people that you just look at their face

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and they're made to be a heel in the business,

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and he's that guy. He has that just that cocky, swarmy,

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just you know face that you want to slap. So

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he's made like when he first came out, before you

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started hearing about you know, having problems with them Drade,

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and he's having problems with this person and that person

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and just some of the dumb like I didn't think

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he would have in a world title area right now,

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But I thought, okay, he's still young. He gets in

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the gym a little bit, grows into his body a

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little bit more. Then you could see him building towards that.

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I thought that there was a chance that, you know,

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because you go ten years into his aw career, he's

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still only in his probably early thirties. He is thirty

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three now, so he was twenty six right when they launched.

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So in a perfect world, if he would have been

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on the right trajectory honing his craft, honing his body

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and being a good citizen backstage, you could see where,

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you know, okay, as some of these other guys start

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to age out that helped you establish get your name

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on the map, you know, the Jerichos start to age

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out and go away, that you could see him getting

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into that where you could say, he's in your top

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six or seven male single stars and he just Samy

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killed Sammy's career, but he can't blame anybody else but himself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sammy screwed Sammy, but he's worse. He's definitely in

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a worse situation. He is a in ROH, which is

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automatically worse. But also he's in the news right now

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for having because he removed aw from his bios. So's

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there's rumors that he's looking for a release.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: I think they said his wife is getting her release.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she requested it, and Tony, I guess during the

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media call the other day, said yeah, she asked for

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The timelines are a little different. She's saying she asked

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for it like a month or so ago. Tony is

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saying it was only in the last two weeks. Originally

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he said he told her no, but now that she's

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going to be getting her release eminently is kind of

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the way he made a sound. So I'll say this

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probably not Sammy wants again, has giving himself negative attention.

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Like I don't know if I'm wwe do I want

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to take the chance to make an investment in this guy. Now.

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The one thing we know about them, you come in

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and you start doing the things that you're they'll cut

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you right away because they just don't care.

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Speaker 2: They'll they'll cut you. They're not lacking for talent. They

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don't have to put up with that crap.

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Speaker 3: No, and even they just if you aren't gonna get

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on board with the way things are done there, they

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will get rid of you. You're playing and simple right,

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wrong or indifferent, they will. So he needs to be

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Where's he gonna go? TNA, honestly, like that's probably the

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best fit.

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Speaker 2: TNA is probably a good fit. He could be definitely

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hold down the X division and TNA. He wouldn could

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use him, would be good in TNA and tn A

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would benefit from having him.

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Speaker 3: That is probably better and I think it would benefit

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and I think that it would be a good place

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for his wife as well. To hone, she's not ready

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for prime time wrestling. I'm sorry, she's she's he's not

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very good.

471
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Speaker 2: She has the look and nothing.

472
00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: Else, nothing else. So but no, I wish him the best.

473
00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:14,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, best case. And I see why seven years

474
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:16,400
ago they looked at Sam and thought this is worth

475
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,680
investing it and looked into Yeah, like I get why

476
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,200
they I saw it too, But I think we have

477
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,720
to agree. He is in a worse situation ever.

478
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: All good looking kid, athletic, you know, just he's missing

479
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,759
the intangibles that aren't the end ring or the physical part.

480
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,279
It's the between the ears is what's killing him. And

481
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,160
you know, I hope for his sake because I you know,

482
00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:41,759
I give Darby a hard time, but good for him.

483
00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:45,039
I'm glad that he's having a successful career and that

484
00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:48,079
the guy that runs the company he works for loves

485
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,359
and trusts him that much. And the fan base loved him,

486
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,400
so I can't take that away from him. I don't

487
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,920
have to like him, but I can respect the grind.

488
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,240
So I do respect the grind, Whereas with standing it's

489
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:01,680
like I don't. I can't even spect anything he's done

490
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,920
because all he's done has made himself a spectacle, and

491
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:05,720
not in a good way.

492
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: Well, you want to talk about somebody causing issues backstage?

493
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:12,160
That can move us right on to the next pillar.

494
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,799
We're talking jungle Jack Perry, previously the Jungle Boy, I

495
00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:21,359
guess he's a man now Jack Perry, I mean another

496
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:25,200
and the title holder. He had the national title briefly,

497
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,000
he's been tag titles, he's had titles, he's had world

498
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:33,319
title matches, that he lost so arguably though he is

499
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,079
probably of all the pillars, like well MJF doesn't interesting stuff.

500
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,359
But old Jack may have had the biggest actual effect

501
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,119
on AEW as a company just by some things that

502
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,279
happened backstage with a guy who works for a different company.

503
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:50,839
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I would say that that was one of

504
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:56,359
the biggest negatives to AW. I look back between that

505
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,599
at the first all in and what happened to brawl out,

506
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,680
and you take those two things away, and Punk's still there.

507
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,680
What does AEW look like right now? And I I

508
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:17,559
firmly believe that they would be they wouldn't be passed WWE,

509
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,359
but I think that gap would be a lot tighter.

510
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,079
I think the public perception after all that went down

511
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,079
hurt that company more than what actually happened. I think

512
00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:30,559
it was the perception of that it was the inmates

513
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:34,480
were running the asylum. Tony had no control over his

514
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,279
people or his roster. I still believe that. I think

515
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:41,279
he's doing a better job now. But you know the

516
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,519
Jack Perry thing, and you know, I'm not absolving punk.

517
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,400
Punk is the forty. Punk is the forty at the time,

518
00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,559
five year old man. Don't let the punk kid bait you,

519
00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:54,960
because that's all he did. He let him bait him,

520
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:58,119
and he took the bait because he couldn't had no

521
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,960
self control, and he got himself fired. But I think

522
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,640
that Jack Perry should have got a pink slip right

523
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,359
along with him.

524
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,559
Speaker 2: I could see that. I mean, we give Jack credit

525
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,400
for causing that, but like he was like just a

526
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,160
small piece of the entire puzzle that caused that problem.

527
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,599
A lot of it was leadership. It was the young bucks,

528
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,599
it was the third Sheets. It was Punk being the

529
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:26,839
most immature forty five year old on the planet that

530
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,640
his skinned man made that.

531
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:29,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

532
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:33,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was also Jack being a young dumb punk.

533
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 3: I mean, right, But it never gets to the Jack

534
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,079
Perry part. If Tony is a boss right after Hang

535
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,960
Mang goes into business for himself and the promo and

536
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:47,559
the ring leading up to their match, and if he

537
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,480
goes takes the bull by the horns and say, Punk

538
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:54,880
didn't tell me to fire anybody. You know, I don't

539
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,039
know where you're getting your information. Everything this happened with

540
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,039
Cole Punk. Anything this hap in this company has been

541
00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:04,599
one hundred percent. My decision is the owner of this company.

542
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,599
You need to pipe down. He didn't do anything wrong.

543
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,400
You get him in a room before, but he let

544
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,599
it fester. Yes, yes he did, and you know him

545
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,680
let the other people did what they did. They have

546
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:20,279
to have self control. But it never gets to that

547
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,359
point if Tony's a boss.

548
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,319
Speaker 2: Correct and like you said, he has been better about

549
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,240
that kind of stuff since then, maybe he learned a lesson,

550
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:30,960
but you know that we can re litigate that all day.

551
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm it's been beaten to death and I

552
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,920
get it, and it's just you know, but from a

553
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,720
Jack Perry standpoint, he's another one that you like. If

554
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:43,000
you slot him in the right spot, I can get

555
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:46,000
down with like him as in your company is you

556
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:49,920
know do he's another guy to me, he'll he should

557
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,200
never be considered for a world championship because he's just

558
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:59,200
not believable and that I can't believe him beating a

559
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:04,599
hangman Paige, who's you know, probably sixty pounds heavier than him.

560
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:06,880
That's the one thing I guess where I could be

561
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,119
a little bit off is that it's not a very

562
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,839
big man company. Well, sure, most of your top talent

563
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,799
are two twenty five or under, so I mean it's

564
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:21,240
but I mean even at that him and Darby are

565
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:25,279
just so much smaller. Still, it's just it's hard to

566
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,279
for me the believability of it. And I don't and

567
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:32,000
I don't think his at least with Sammy, he has uh,

568
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,480
he has that the move set and the high like

569
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,720
Jack Perry, like isn't even like doesn't really do anything

570
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:42,920
all that exciting when he's wrestling.

571
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: Right, he is very much a right in the middle

572
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:46,319
lane of AAW.

573
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: Like.

574
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,359
Speaker 2: He's good, like he would be like one of the

575
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,839
better workers in like w w MA and roster. Sure,

576
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,720
but in AAW he's just another guy that does a

577
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:56,480
lot of the same as everybody else, Like, oh, you

578
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,119
do a reverse hurricane run, Yeah, so does the rest

579
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,519
of the roster, right, And he's good at that, But

580
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:05,759
he's he has yet to figure out promos really.

581
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,039
Speaker 3: Ever.

582
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,079
Speaker 2: Every once in a while, i'll cut one that's not embarrassing,

583
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,960
but half the time he's got a knife, he's stabbing stuff.

584
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,799
He's not believable. He has great hair. I'll give him that.

585
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,440
He's got great hair. He had a famous father, very

586
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,680
helpful things. Apparently. It's a shame, it's a shame he

587
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,440
didn't get some acting chops from the old Man because

588
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,039
maybe they Yeah, But I mean I think, and I'm

589
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:31,880
with you, I wouldn't put him in the world title,

590
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,400
but I think like competing for the TNT title half

591
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,359
of a tag team champion fine, perfectly fine, especially if

592
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:40,400
the other one is a big person that happens to

593
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,519
be a dinosaur. I think that works absolutely fine. But

594
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:47,000
I mean, even when he was the escapegoat character that

595
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:48,839
a lot of people apparently thought was going to be

596
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,039
really good, it was just him driving around in an

597
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:55,920
old bus and being weird. Yeah, yeah, a lot of

598
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,640
that was not great.

599
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: No, And he was part of maybe what could have

600
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,519
been a great angle that the absolutely screwed up within

601
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,680
three days of the angle when they attack Tony, you

602
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,680
can do that, right, And I was like really really like,

603
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:19,160
I was like, Okay, where's this going. I was like

604
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:24,519
intrigued until I've seen tiny Tony sitting in the war

605
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,640
room at the draft with the stupid neck brace on.

606
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:30,559
But in the bitch of it was it wasn't he

607
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,000
wasn't selling it. It was like he was just he

608
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,519
was smiling like hey, check it out, look at look

609
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,319
was like looking, I'm cool, man, I own a Wrestling

610
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200
Company look at and I'm just like, Yep, you totally

611
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,440
lost it. You totally blew that angle.

612
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: You know, that last segment you're just listening to and

613
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,359
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, even if you remove that ridiculousness from it.

628
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:41,279
They also it went nowhere because reputedly behind the scenes,

629
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:43,799
Tony didn't want people to somehow think that he wasn't

630
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:46,279
still running the show, so they basically blew up the

631
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,519
entire story and that was one of those things that

632
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:50,720
could have been or like you said, it was shocking,

633
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:53,680
and like I said, you can only have Tony Kahan

634
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:57,200
be attacked for the first time once once. If you

635
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,599
do it again, it's going to be a reach read

636
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,519
and nobody should be looking forward to it because how

637
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:02,519
badly you did this once, you really only get one

638
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,279
shot at it, and they gifted it was The.

639
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:09,559
Speaker 3: Attack was great. What happened on screen the night it

640
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,160
happened a plus everything they did afterward, you know, and

641
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,519
I talked about it on the last episode a little

642
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,480
bit is I said, that's what aw has missed from

643
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,799
their inception, is that one storyline that catches absolute fire,

644
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,039
that brings eyeballs that could They've had two that I

645
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:32,960
thought could have been it, and they screwed them both up.

646
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:36,880
One is that. The other was the inception of the

647
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,680
Death Writers.

648
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that started out also very okay. That started

649
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,920
out with Moxley putting a plastic bag over Brian Anderson's

650
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,119
that I didn't like that either, But theoretically the overarching

651
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,640
idea of Moxley wanting to like take over the company,

652
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,599
like rebuild his own image. That would have been interesting,

653
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,640
and then it wasn't. And then it also just kept

654
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,759
going even though it wasn't and.

655
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: It's still going to this day.

656
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,359
Speaker 2: It's going right now on paper.

657
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: Don't know what, and I still don't know what their

658
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:15,159
purpose really is. Was is going to be? Are the faces?

659
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:16,239
Are the heels are.

660
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: They're just They're just that they are worse. Yeah, because

661
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:26,679
I mean again, he seemed like he started out with

662
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,199
like like he could improve and he's really almost exactly

663
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,159
the same wrestler in the same spot as he was.

664
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: The coolest thing he did was when he made made

665
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,559
his t n T belt that time. That was kind

666
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:39,920
of cool.

667
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,079
Speaker 2: He melted it down.

668
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 3: I thought that was cool.

669
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:46,559
Speaker 2: That was interesting, and then I mean that wasn't even

670
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:49,559
a bad tn T tower And I guess but they

671
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,920
didn't do much with it though. He's just kind of

672
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,519
back to where he was, except for he's jungle Jack.

673
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:56,880
Perry's did a jungle Boy, So I guess that's an improvement.

674
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,599
But I would say as far as being a pillar,

675
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:01,559
he isn't that well and.

676
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: It seems like maybe he's now, you know, the did

677
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,199
the vignettes for him resigning, you know, that he resigned

678
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,000
his contract that he's going to stay. That's so maybe, like, finally,

679
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,760
do you feel like, Okay, you've learned your lesson from

680
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,440
all of your things you did. You've been a you know,

681
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,920
a good citizen, you've been a good soldier for for

682
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:24,719
the company, you kept your nose clean, and maybe now

683
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:27,719
maybe this is going to be his the resurgence of

684
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,800
his career. So I mean, maybe, again, I'm not rooting

685
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,639
against them. You know, hopefully they're going to get behind him.

686
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:36,199
They'll get some good creative with him, and and he

687
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,519
can be a more positive influence on on the product.

688
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: That would be ideal. And I mean he has stated

689
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,159
in a Collision promo, so you didn't see it, neither

690
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:48,559
anybody else, but he is gunning for the world title.

691
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:50,920
That is his stated goal. So good when you got

692
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,360
people talking about that. But you want to talk about

693
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,800
people gunning for world titles, let's talk about the fourth Piller.

694
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,119
I don't think it's any spoiler to say this is

695
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:02,400
the best of before we are, of course talking about

696
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,119
Maxwell Jacob Friedman m j f yep.

697
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,119
Speaker 3: I said it last week. He's my favorite all around

698
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,360
performer in the business right now. I think that there

699
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,639
isn't one thing that he doesn't do as well or

700
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,920
better than anybody else in the world, and he's damn

701
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,519
entertaining when he does it. So absolutely me, he's the

702
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,280
here's where I'm gonna say, he's I think at this

703
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,599
point now he's just falified as a pillar.

704
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:33,599
Speaker 2: Though, well, he's a three time world champion and a

705
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,000
huge star in his own right at this point, so

706
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,400
I would agree with you. He's no longer a pillar.

707
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,159
He's established. Yeah. He the pillars need to be holding

708
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,199
him up now because he is a statue of a

709
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,039
golden god, and the pillars hold him up and he

710
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,960
holds the title and it's glorious and beautiful.

711
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

712
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 2: So m Jeff Great Talker, super underrated in the ring,

713
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,960
even though everybody knows he's very good in the ring,

714
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,559
like so good in fact, can you think of any

715
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:03,519
what don't you? Can you name something you don't like

716
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:07,000
about MJF in his current incarnation other than them taking

717
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,000
the title off of him and his kind of random

718
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:09,599
knee injury.

719
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 3: No, because the one thing that I could have complained

720
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,719
about him up until this latest run would have been

721
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,079
the sometimes he went a little too far, like low

722
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,480
hanging fruit kind of stuff and got a little too silly.

723
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,280
He's cleaned a lot of that up in this run.

724
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,920
And he's just to me. When he's on the screen

725
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,880
and he has a microphone in his hand, I want

726
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,039
to hear what he has to say.

727
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: Good. And he looks good, he wrestles good, he's he's,

728
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,199
he's he's.

729
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:41,599
Speaker 3: The epitome of if I was starting a company and

730
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:45,159
I was going to use the pillar thing, which I'm

731
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:46,880
not a huge fan of, but I get it. I mean,

732
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,039
you're establishing your company, so I get it. I'll let

733
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:54,440
a slide. But he did everything. He improved. He's improved

734
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,559
in the ring. He's improved his look. He's got his

735
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:03,280
nutrition and his ipplements and everything else dialed in. He

736
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,960
looks the part, and he's talked about it in interviews.

737
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:08,159
Is he's like, if I want it, he wants to

738
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:11,039
look believable. He wants when he has when he's in

739
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:13,360
it for people look and go. That guy can kick

740
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,199
somebody's ass. And you know, just a little background. I started.

741
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:20,440
My love for wrestling started the first thing I ever

742
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:27,320
seen was Roddy Piper smacking Superfly Jimmy Snooka upside the

743
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,800
head with a coconut and Roddy Piper is who made

744
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,880
me fall in love with wrestling. So when during the

745
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,360
Rock and Wrestling Connection, I wanted him to beat Hogan.

746
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,480
I was never a hawk of maniac. Every time he wrestled,

747
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:44,039
I want I'm like, he should be the champion. He's

748
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:48,320
the coolest dude. You guys got like you know and yeah,

749
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,320
I mean if you're having a pillar like he did

750
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,039
everything that that's what you want your pillar. You want

751
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:56,320
your pillar to be here and you want them to

752
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,920
elevate and get to the top, and then you want

753
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,159
the next crop coming behind, like you said, to hold up.

754
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,760
It should be like a machine. You're just constantly churning

755
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,599
him and he is everything. I don't think if you

756
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:12,719
would have asked Tony in twenty nineteen when they were

757
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,840
getting ready to kick this thing off going into the

758
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,599
first double double or nothing, because that was the very

759
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:22,280
first televised AW event, correct, was the pay per view

760
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,079
double or nothing?

761
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: Technically aw yeah, because they didn't count.

762
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,559
Speaker 3: Because Alan was roa to independent or whatever it was.

763
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,159
If I don't even think if you would have asked

764
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,480
him seven years ago that he could have even predicted

765
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,360
that MJF would be as good as what he became

766
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:40,800
as quickly as he did.

767
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:43,519
Speaker 2: Well, No, I'm a huge MJFF fan. I liked MJFF

768
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:46,000
from the get go because he was always a good talker.

769
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:48,239
Even though he had some you know, things I would

770
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,599
quibble with, he was always good. But even I wouldn't

771
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:52,639
have said, oh, yeah, in seven years, he's gonna be

772
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:56,440
a three time world champion before he turns thirty. I

773
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,280
don't think anybody would have got he would have guessed that.

774
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,639
I guarantee he knew that was gonna but I think

775
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:04,199
most people would assume that that's very unlikely. Uh, and

776
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,239
he has, even though there have been missed aff good

777
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,920
Lord Adam Cole and MJF almost killed a e W.

778
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:14,119
I swear it almost ended the whole company. It ended

779
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:16,239
the company for me for a couple of months, like

780
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,719
I could watch that product. Oh but yeah, I mean

781
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,960
just for funzies, I mean we can. I think we

782
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,199
both agree. MJF is in a better position. I think

783
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,840
better a hand. Just for fun, Do you want to

784
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,079
go ahead and rank the four of them? My number

785
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:33,119
one is MJF. I don't know about you. I assume

786
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:34,239
Darby is your number one.

787
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,079
Speaker 3: Josh thought we were friends, buddy.

788
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:39,119
Speaker 2: Oh no, you were saying how much you respected him

789
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,760
and you love Sting and he was associated with Darby.

790
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,199
Speaker 3: Sting was overrated.

791
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: That'll get Wady to listen to the episode every time.

792
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: Every time he goes on a tirade about Sing. I

793
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:55,199
just feel so vindicated when I'm sitting on my couch

794
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,480
listening and walk and I'm like, yep, yep, I'm like,

795
00:40:58,519 --> 00:40:59,800
take that, Barber, take that.

796
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,079
Speaker 2: I'd like Sting. I'm a Steing fan, but I also

797
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:06,440
appreciate how much I know it needles that and.

798
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 3: I like full transparency. His sitting in the rafters run

799
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,119
was awesome. I loved every bit of it. I didn't

800
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:18,360
want to miss one Monday Night dro because I wanted

801
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,480
to see if Steing was gonna come down from the

802
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:24,519
rafters and go after the nWo every single week. I

803
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:26,840
want to. But somebody said it on the poster the

804
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,559
other day. The reason that that went so well is

805
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,760
because he never had to talk and he never had

806
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:32,239
to wrestle.

807
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: Right, Steing was at his best when he wasn't talking

808
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,119
or wrestling. You know, the two most important parts of

809
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:37,960
being a wrestler.

810
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,159
Speaker 3: Right, So, but I would agree with you. I think

811
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:43,639
we're both in agreement. Mjf's number one.

812
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: Easy, number one, Yeah for me. A number two Now

813
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,199
it gets complicated. I would put Darby at number two,

814
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,119
not just because he's the world champion, but just because

815
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:56,159
I think he's accomplished the most and been like the

816
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:58,920
most important out of the other three if you don't

817
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,639
count important away.

818
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 3: Yep, and people are going to be surprised, the people

819
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,519
that know me, I agree. I would have to put

820
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:06,599
Darby's number two.

821
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: No, I know you, and I'm alfo surprised. I didn't

822
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,199
think I made that good. Have a case for it,

823
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,599
but I mean you're to.

824
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 3: Take my personal and I have to take my personal

825
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,000
feelings for just looking at it from an accomplishment standpoint,

826
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,360
I can't take it away from him. I don't have

827
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,119
to like it to be able to recognize what he's accomplished.

828
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:28,599
So I can think it's stupid. But they did it,

829
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:31,800
and you know what, people loved it. All I keep

830
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,440
hearing is people talking about how great it was only

831
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,920
four weeks. But those four weeks, you know, the matches

832
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,480
were great, and he you know, they told a great story.

833
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,199
Because you knew he just wasn't going to be able

834
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,400
to keep it up because of the beatings he was taking.

835
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,719
And you know, so that's sure loved it. So you

836
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,480
know what, I didn't like it. But guess what, maybe

837
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:50,079
I'm wrong.

838
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:54,079
Speaker 2: Well I wouldn't score that far. Opinions opinion. You don't

839
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,840
like it, you don't like it, Like I don't like lobster,

840
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,760
But all I ever hear about is how good it is.

841
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,760
So I don't know, but everybody that I see that

842
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,599
eats lobster, they're really just using an excuse to eat

843
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,679
liquid butter. That's what's happening, the same reason people like popcorn.

844
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the difference between me and most people

845
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:12,400
is like, if I just wanted some melted butter, I'm

846
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,440
the guy. I'll just drink some melted butter.

847
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,119
Speaker 2: That's me.

848
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

849
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:21,599
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850
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:24,280
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851
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,440
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Speaker 2: Howe, we're talking about lobster. Oh yes, so we got

863
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,639
MGFT number one, Darby number two, surprisely, but part of

864
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:03,360
that because the other two guys, so number three, I

865
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,400
gotta put Jungle Jack Perry because he's still on TV,

866
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,119
he's not in R and he has some accomplishments and

867
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,559
has I think improved some a little bit.

868
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. I know this doesn't make for a very entertaining

869
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:24,719
podcast when we were green on everything, but I would say, yes,

870
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:28,360
Jack Perry would be number three and at least poor

871
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:31,159
Sammy bringing up the rear right.

872
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,599
Speaker 2: Which again, if I was supposed to rank season where

873
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:36,440
I thought they were going to be in twenty nineteen,

874
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,360
I would still have MGF number one, but I would

875
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,360
have Sammy number two.

876
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:44,079
Speaker 3: I think, oh yeah, yeah, at the at the inception, absolutely.

877
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably would have done like then Darby and

878
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:48,119
then Jungle Boy. That probably would have been in order

879
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:49,039
I put them in it.

880
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree get drunk. So it has changed

881
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,320
since the beginning of how we would have ranked them.

882
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, wrestling is it's a crapshoot sometimes, man, you can't

883
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,320
see how things are going to go. But there is

884
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,800
also a more objective way to figure out which of

885
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,559
these people are better more than our opinion. These four

886
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,239
were involved in a four way title match in twenty

887
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,519
twenty three at Double or Nothing, Adam, do you recall

888
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,599
who came out on top of that match?

889
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 3: I do believe it was m j F.

890
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: Maxwell Jacob Friedman is correct because the other three were

891
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,920
not on mjfs level. That level, of course, being the

892
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,159
level of the devil as they say, that's the one.

893
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,280
So yeah, I think we have cannon proof the MJF

894
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,079
is the best of the four.

895
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I don't think. I don't think that if

896
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,480
you pulled all the w fans anybody would disagree with that.

897
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:45,280
You might get a few that would say that Darby

898
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,320
might be ahead of them just because they're wrong.

899
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: But I mean it's I mean, Darby and MJF are

900
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,280
very different people. I can see how some types of

901
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,719
people would lean more towards Darby.

902
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: You know what funny though, is they're probably the most

903
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,920
intertwined of the pillars. They have the most history with

904
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,239
each other, they do.

905
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:06,679
Speaker 2: You know, MJF hadlock takeover Darby. They've that's been going

906
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:08,920
on since well before AW even existed.

907
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean that's I mean, so you got

908
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,000
that going for you, and you know, maybe that'll be

909
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:16,719
another thing that Shills were. As much as I like

910
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,519
and respect and love MJF, he obviously has a lot

911
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,360
of love and respect for Darby because you don't right

912
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,320
the ship that you've done.

913
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, MJF has enough stroke that if he didn't want

914
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,719
Darby to have his little run, I'm sure he could

915
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:32,639
have prevented.

916
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,599
Speaker 3: It, especially at his expense. Right.

917
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there is that. So I do remember, even

918
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:43,639
like during that four way match, like MJF and Mike,

919
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,320
these guys aren't. That was like not a great main event.

920
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,400
I remember thinking because the other three were like just

921
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,559
not I know, I said it joking. The second they

922
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:52,760
were literally not on this level though that was a

923
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,519
lower level of pay per view match, even though it

924
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:55,920
was the Pillars.

925
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,559
Speaker 3: Right, well, and you think that, you know, I know,

926
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:00,920
if I was one of the other three eyes, and

927
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,599
if you you have to be objective when you're in

928
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:07,320
any athletic endeavor, like I know, like me, I grew

929
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,760
up playing baseball and softball. I still play, you know,

930
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,639
and when i'm a'm playing now, and especially as an

931
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:16,239
older guy playing with guys way younger than I am,

932
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:19,960
like I can look back and go, Okay, you're losing

933
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,119
a stuff. You need to work a little harder to

934
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,760
make up the difference because these guys are nipping at

935
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,840
your heels, you know. That's so I would hope that

936
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:30,199
when you if I was one of those other three

937
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,880
guys and I went back, and I'd hope he watched

938
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,760
the match back and could go, yeah, I'm not I'm

939
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,199
not where that guy's at, and so what do I

940
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,440
need to do to get there? If that's where If

941
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,760
you really love the craft and you love the game

942
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:46,519
and you want to take yourself to the next level,

943
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,519
and I think that that's I'll give it to Darby,

944
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,320
as much as I don't like him, Darby's a totally

945
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,360
different performer today than he was when that matchup.

946
00:47:56,519 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like three years ago, and then he

947
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,760
has improved a lot and he's been a world champion.

948
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,000
So those are there are four pillars. And again those

949
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,280
were literally just people that MJF mentioned during a promo.

950
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,039
At some point it kind of took a the lifestone.

951
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:13,519
I think Tony Khan commented on him before he said, yes,

952
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,199
those are four of our pillars. But he also, in

953
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,519
Tony Khan fashion, did not actually respond to the question,

954
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:21,920
pretty much said the whole company as a pillars. Kind

955
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,119
of where he landed, I'm sure, but that does bring

956
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:26,639
up kind of interesting idea. I mean, those were the

957
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:29,480
four that MJF kind of named off, and as we've

958
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:32,079
kind of noted, some of those were good picks, especially

959
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:34,239
at the time, and some have born out to p

960
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,199
not as great. But there are other options. Because MGF

961
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:41,719
gave that promo in twenty twenty one, so I mean,

962
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,880
there are other options for who could have been considered

963
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,280
a pillar. I think a big one. I think you

964
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,519
and I would probably agree that Hangman Adam Page could

965
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:53,320
have been referred to as a pillar. Yeah, he was

966
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:56,039
now he is a couple of years older than all

967
00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:58,880
four of these guys, but only a little bit. And

968
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,400
he's still was base a homegrown ae w tellent and

969
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:06,159
call this Hangman right now, Hangman is currently thirty five,

970
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,000
so he is.

971
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 3: So pretty young in wrestling years though.

972
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's not working a crazy grueling schedule or anything,

973
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:14,440
so yeah, he's got plenty of time ahead of this.

974
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:16,960
Why it's insane that he can't challenge for the world title,

975
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:22,280
that's a different story. Yeah, but yeah, I think Hangman

976
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,920
would have been a better Pillar. I think he was

977
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,840
more established than the other four, like as far as

978
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,800
wrestling levels, but I think he would have been kind

979
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,719
of home run, surefire, possible pillar.

980
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:37,159
Speaker 3: Yeah.

981
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't even go with it. It was

982
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,639
just so odd. I could have.

983
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you could have maybe like said that, you

984
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,840
can't really call him he wasn't You can't really say

985
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,280
he was homegrown because he really was established in New

986
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,519
Japan and Roa, and they were both of much bigger

987
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:56,880
companies at the time, you know, before uh Tony you know,

988
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,559
completely pillared their business. But uh, you know I would

989
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:04,599
have at the beginning, I would have me personally, Hangman

990
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,639
would have been a pillar, So I would have taken

991
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:14,880
one of either Jungle Boy or uh Darby out for him.

992
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,960
And then I have another name that didn't age well,

993
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:21,880
but at the beginning of the company would have been

994
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,639
a pillar and it was brought up by mister uh

995
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,079
Chick magnet Punk would have been Britt Baker.

996
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:31,679
Speaker 2: Yes, I have that on my list over here. Yeah,

997
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:34,079
he just used that as a dig at MJ after

998
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:37,360
a promo, But that was a valid point, no, especially

999
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:43,000
in a women's division that needed something anything. Britt was

1000
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:45,679
like the pillar holding up the women's division for a

1001
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,639
couple of years there.

1002
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,639
Speaker 3: As much as I don't didn't care for the bleeding,

1003
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,400
that was it. That match with thunder Rosa where she

1004
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:56,840
got the bed bad, where she was bleeding so bad.

1005
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:02,400
Oh yeah, but you know, not my cup of tea.

1006
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,039
But I mean that skyrocketed. She was one of the

1007
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,159
bigger stars on their television from that point moving forward

1008
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:17,199
for a long time before her true backstage personality I

1009
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:20,159
think came out and people just didn't want to work

1010
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:20,800
with her anything.

1011
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:24,199
Speaker 2: Yes, technically she is still on the roster. She could

1012
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:26,760
be debuting at Redemption right now. Adam and you and

1013
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,679
I will till tomorrow.

1014
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,039
Speaker 3: Right, we won't, so, you know. And I think that

1015
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,239
she also wasn't one that she rested on her laurels,

1016
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,960
and she did not put the work in to improve

1017
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:44,119
her in ring. As better competitors came into that women's division,

1018
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:47,480
as they started to build out that roster, she started

1019
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,719
to really fall down the ladder because she was standing

1020
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,480
still and they were all blown past her.

1021
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, uh, Stephie and I did an episode

1022
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,840
on the aw's women's division. That's exactly what he said,

1023
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,400
is like basically the pass her by. She didn't improve.

1024
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,079
There were times when it seemed like she was getting

1025
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,119
worse in the ring as Yeah, and she never had

1026
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,800
a great superkick, but she's like missing and watch it.

1027
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,719
It's like, oh man, now she's still had the solid personality,

1028
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,360
she had a good look and all that. So, and

1029
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:18,239
don't forget she was a dentist. That was a very

1030
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,199
important part. They mentioned that every time she came out.

1031
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,119
Apparently she's still a dentist. At least she has something

1032
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,159
to fall back on because she is not wrestling.

1033
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,599
Speaker 3: What I would do with her if I didn't think

1034
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:29,559
that she could keep up in the ring, But she

1035
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:31,199
can talk I'd make her a manager.

1036
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: She'd be a great manager. Also, ae w they do

1037
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,559
managers be perfectly logical. She could lead in great.

1038
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 3: Such and not a valet like how Additionally, I think

1039
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:48,760
she could be a traditional wrestling manager and it is

1040
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,440
so unique because she is a woman, right and she

1041
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,039
can take her to be trailed and it would be trailblazing.

1042
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,920
I think she.

1043
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,599
Speaker 2: Could be like a female don Kalen. I would watch

1044
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:02,440
that right as the personality.

1045
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:05,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be one hundred percent down with that. I

1046
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,440
don't want to watch Rustle, but I'll listen to her talk.

1047
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: Honestly, I kind of thought that's what they were doing.

1048
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,519
Do you remember when we didn't know who the devil

1049
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:16,760
was in the MJF Adam Cole saga, there were rumors

1050
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,079
that it could be Britt and she would be managing

1051
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,360
Adam or whoever, and that I remember thinking that would

1052
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,400
actually be interesting, very uninteresting, because it was just Adam Cole.

1053
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,559
It was. Yeah, it's truly bad.

1054
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,079
Speaker 1: Just a reminder. You can reach us at Wade Keller

1055
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:34,239
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1056
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,719
contributing to the Flagship or Wade Keller Post Show at

1057
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,559
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1058
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,519
or a topic or even a rant on the Wade

1059
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:43,800
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1060
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: A couple other people that came to mind for me

1061
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:50,639
as pillars. I thought of Orange Cassidy, not at not

1062
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,760
in twenty nineteen. Again, this was shortly after, but he

1063
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,920
during his initial run with the at the time Atlantic

1064
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,679
title able whatever that trash title was. But when he

1065
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,800
was defending that day and day out, that was good.

1066
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: That was a great run.

1067
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: I got a lot of respect for him during that.

1068
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,400
And then I looked at his age. He is forty

1069
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,800
two right now, so even seven years ago he was

1070
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:13,880
mid late thirties.

1071
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to be a pillar to me. You'd

1072
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,840
have to be under thirty at the inception of the

1073
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,440
company to probably have been a pillar.

1074
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's mean. It's also why even when they brought

1075
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:28,639
Ricky Starkson, I was kind of a fan, but he

1076
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,239
was actually already kind of on the older side at

1077
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,320
that point. Here's somebody I thought was going to be

1078
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,719
a big deal that I hadn't heard of before I started.

1079
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,119
I went to fighter Fest, one of their early pay

1080
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:42,719
per views before they had Dynamite, and they were like

1081
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,480
they had a book. They had t shirts for like

1082
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,559
five people. I'm like, well, these five people are going

1083
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:49,840
to be the important people. They had John Moxley, how

1084
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,639
about a John Moxley tar shirt? Or still how did

1085
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:54,320
I wear it? Had Kiddie Omega and a Young Bucks shirt.

1086
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,400
I think they had a Britt Baker shirt. At that point.

1087
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,480
They had a shirt for Kip Sabian. I'm like this guy,

1088
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:03,079
this Kip saying I don't understand, Like, are you gonna

1089
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:04,559
say something nice about Kip Saviian.

1090
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 3: I like Kip Savian too, winning first, like, and he

1091
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,239
had a good look and he was good in the ring,

1092
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,239
and it just never happened. He was different, he looked

1093
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,639
different at a different look, different style than everybody else. Yeah,

1094
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:20,719
but it just didn't click. Yeah, and then cardboard boxing

1095
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,440
or the bag on his bead, like like I was,

1096
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:25,760
I was entertained by it. I'm like I wanted to

1097
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,239
see where it was going, Like, what's going on with this?

1098
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:28,760
You know?

1099
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:33,159
Speaker 2: Yeah? They were doing something there and then god, last scene,

1100
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,719
he was hanging out with Nick Wayne and mother Wayne,

1101
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,360
and I mean Nick is back now and Kipp is, uh,

1102
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,320
well you know what, Kip goes home to Penelope for tonight.

1103
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,800
I think his wrestling career has still been fruitful in

1104
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,239
that way.

1105
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 3: He's win in life.

1106
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's only thirty four right now though, so yeah,

1107
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:54,440
something could still happen. He's still good as far as

1108
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,800
I know. And the last one I kind of thought

1109
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,119
of was a Scorpio Sky who was one of the

1110
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:02,159
first tag champions, and it looked like they were gonna

1111
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:04,480
do some single stuff with him, and then nope, and

1112
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:07,440
then injury and they bring him back and then not clicking,

1113
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,400
and then he disappears.

1114
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 3: A couple of interviews you think he's coming back, and

1115
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,000
then he disappears again.

1116
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: He was on Collision last night. Yeah, he was in

1117
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:20,719
a six man tag with Dante and Matt Sidell. They lost,

1118
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,719
So it gives you an idea where that's at. They

1119
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:27,599
lost on Collition. They were a jobber to the Lethal Twist,

1120
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,119
if that gives you an idea. They're not even jobbers.

1121
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:34,840
The stars their jobbersh talent like big.

1122
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1123
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: So I think I think you and I in an agreement,

1124
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,920
like maybe maybe you can have six pillars? You got

1125
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:44,239
you add If you had six, I would say easy,

1126
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,320
ad hangman ad Britt, you got it. I don't say

1127
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,360
who had swap out. I feel like I would swap

1128
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,079
Hangman for Jack Perry though. That sounds right, That sounds right.

1129
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:56,280
So who would your pillars be today? That is a

1130
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,760
fair question. Here's the thing. When I was thinking over

1131
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,480
possible pillars for today, I couldn't come up with a

1132
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:07,760
lot of young men. I thought of several women. I'm like, well,

1133
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,039
they're young, like my world came to mind. I'm like,

1134
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:12,280
she good up and comer, and I don't know how

1135
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,760
you are on spoilers. I haven't been watching Redemption, but

1136
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,599
I did see that she won her match against Chietah

1137
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:20,119
and is new TV a champion, So good for her.

1138
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,519
Congratulation with her.

1139
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 3: Yes, I was very nervous after she lost to Mercedes

1140
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,880
that she was just gonna disappear, get exiled the ROH,

1141
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,760
to never be seen until they needed somebody for.

1142
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,679
Speaker 2: Like a tournament, right like Athenas.

1143
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,679
Speaker 3: I'm glad that they did something with her because I

1144
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:40,599
think she's got something. She's got a look. I think

1145
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,360
he has some charisma.

1146
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: Decent in the ring, and she is very young. She's

1147
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,440
twenty three, so plenty of time to improve.

1148
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,519
Speaker 3: Guy's the woman if she works at it.

1149
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So if I want to fit some men into

1150
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,159
my pillage, I feel like Kevin Knight is one, but

1151
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,239
he's also of him. He is twenty nine. He's a

1152
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:02,960
little older than I thought. Here's one I'm one hundred

1153
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,679
percent sure. I won't even waffle a little bit. Kyle Fletcher,

1154
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,079
he's absolutely my main pillar and he's only twenty seven.

1155
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 3: He'd be my one A too, and my one B

1156
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,280
would be Takeushta.

1157
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 2: Takeshta is a great one b Taqushta thirty one.

1158
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: But oh he's older than I thought.

1159
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's That's what I also thought saying my

1160
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:22,079
first two like Fletcher and Takesha, which is the same

1161
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:24,039
thing we said last week. We were thinking about elevating

1162
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:27,079
young talent like Fletcher and Takesta because they're so damn good.

1163
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,880
But Takesha is good enough, and he's I mean, he's

1164
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,880
not even in his prime and he's already so good though.

1165
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,159
So yeah, as far as like really young talent, Nick

1166
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:40,719
Wayne twenty one, Hook is twenty seven now and it

1167
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,519
still has not accomplished anything. Blake Christian, who I mentioned

1168
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:48,639
a minute ago, Vanilla Baby, Yeah, he's twenty eight. He's

1169
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:50,039
I thought, I thought he was one of those real

1170
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:51,880
young talents. I'm like, oh, he's twenty two, he'll be

1171
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,519
pretty good a couple of years. No, he has twenty eight.

1172
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:55,679
He's gonna be thirty in a couple of years. Yeah,

1173
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,840
and probably still a ro oh. I know you don't

1174
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,519
want to hear this. Yuda and Garcia are twenty nine

1175
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:05,000
twenty seven perspectively. Not good enough to pills though, right, yeah.

1176
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, they're not good enough to serve

1177
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,760
me coffee.

1178
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: I feel like there was a period of time when

1179
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,719
they could have done something with Garcia. Yeah, he is

1180
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:16,039
good in the range.

1181
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just he should have been the one that went.

1182
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,599
Where I think they went wrong is the whole thing

1183
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,880
was when Regal was still there and they were doing

1184
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:30,519
the Blackpool Combat Club. I thought that Garcia would have

1185
00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:33,400
fit better with his feud that he had with Daniel

1186
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,679
Brien or Brian Danielson. Why they went DA instead, and

1187
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:41,320
then like he just he did every time they start

1188
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,239
to get a little momentum behind Garcia, they would allow

1189
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,719
him to do something that just totally took you out

1190
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:49,320
of it, like the dance and BS and like.

1191
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,639
Speaker 2: Right because he's like and then he I mentioned this earlier,

1192
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:58,679
he joined Jericho, wore Jericho's leather pants, and yes danced. Yeah, bad, bad,

1193
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:02,320
bad look, bad stuff damage. Probably be Andrea Paris this.

1194
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,039
Speaker 3: Point, probably without a long long vacation.

1195
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:09,679
Speaker 2: Yes, so my pillars were going to be my world.

1196
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,440
Kevin Knight, Kyle Fletcher, and I wanted to say, I

1197
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:18,400
really struggled with a fourth. Takeshta, I think is the best,

1198
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:22,000
even though he is slightly over thirty and partially works

1199
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:23,840
for New Japan. It's hard to have a pillar that

1200
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,320
has a dual contract. Also, right, that's not a good

1201
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:27,679
look either against them.

1202
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 3: For whatever amount of time when he's doing the g

1203
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,039
ones or he's.

1204
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,239
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, and that's not that's not a knock

1205
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:37,440
on Takeshta. That's a Tony problem, a similar one though

1206
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:40,840
again you're don't watch a collision. But Persephone has been

1207
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,039
on there a lot recently, and I like filod Yeah,

1208
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:47,000
she's good, she wrestles good, she's got a good look,

1209
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:50,719
she's got some personality, and she's only twenty four, but again,

1210
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,360
macan Bain is twenty eight and impressive tag team champion,

1211
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:57,559
looks good, bigger than everybody else. Yeah, I think she's

1212
01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,760
got if they if they do something, she's just gonna

1213
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,880
waste a weaig in the tag division for four years

1214
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:10,519
or whatever. Then who knows. I don't say wrestler Julia

1215
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,159
Hart who like five years ago, people like man Julia Hart.

1216
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:17,000
She is so young, she's gonna be very talented in

1217
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,719
five years. FYI, she has not improved much. She's still

1218
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,239
only twenty four. She could still improve, but you know

1219
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,719
what she needs. She needs to be an r O

1220
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,920
H or she needs like NXT. I bet if she

1221
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,039
went through NXT, she would come out the other end.

1222
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:33,800
I don't know, way better, way better. Yeah, now you

1223
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,800
know who you can almost include as a pillow. In fact,

1224
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,079
if you're gonna take Takeshta at thirty one is a

1225
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:40,639
viable pillar, Tony Storm is thirty.

1226
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask Tony was the problem that I

1227
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:47,519
won't say Tony's that she's the same as MJF. She's

1228
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:51,360
surpassed what a pillar would be. She's really the top

1229
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,239
of your division because she's multiple time champion. Now she's

1230
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,079
done all there is to do in their women's division,

1231
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,480
and she may be when she's on screen one of

1232
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:04,719
the just it's a train wreck that you want to

1233
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:08,559
watch like I mean that, I mean, then the best

1234
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:12,039
possible way is it's just like you have no idea

1235
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:15,639
what her unhinged ass is gonna say, and it's you know,

1236
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,559
she entertaining, and you know, I know I give Zach

1237
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:23,480
a hard time, but she's probably from an all around standpoint,

1238
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:28,239
the promos, the things that she does, character the entering work.

1239
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:34,039
She's probably the second best women's wrestler in North America

1240
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:36,320
right now. I say, Eo Skuy's number one.

1241
01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:41,719
Speaker 2: That's fair. It's hard to argue this guy obviously. Oh uh.

1242
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:46,679
Speaking of train wrecks, I considered Tekla briefly, but she's

1243
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:48,960
in a similar boat. She's actually older than Tony. She's

1244
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,039
thirty three and already world champion. She's I would have.

1245
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 3: Thought she was forty three and retired from the poles,

1246
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:00,559
past her prime stripper.

1247
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: To me, yes, it's far. I can tell. That's what

1248
01:03:03,519 --> 01:03:06,960
she's looked like the entire time. So she's start looking

1249
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,039
like arn Anderson. Arn Anderson's looked forty years old since

1250
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:15,119
he was nineteen, right like Tomasso Champa only recently turned forty,

1251
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:17,599
but I've assumed he was fifty for the last twenty years.

1252
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:23,440
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Speaker 3: Oh.

1273
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,039
Speaker 2: Another one I considered was Willow. But Willow is thirty two,

1274
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,760
and again we're not watching redemption. Willow might be world

1275
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:34,960
champion right now.

1276
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 3: It's possible likely he's going to be. Yes, Yeah, I

1277
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,760
think that's the direction they're going.

1278
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: Very likely. So I mean I lifted off a bunch.

1279
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,440
I can kind probably guess yours. But what would you say?

1280
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:48,800
You're four current aw pillars. I mean again, we're working

1281
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:49,840
towards the future.

1282
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 3: Really hard, you know, for being such a young company,

1283
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:55,519
the lack young talent in a lot of ways. I

1284
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:59,880
hate to say that. Flucker obviously obviously right, no Ques,

1285
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:02,880
I still give it to Taka, just because even though

1286
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,360
he's a little bit older, his career is a little younger.

1287
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:08,039
Even though he's a little older, especially to the North

1288
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:12,159
American market, and he hasn't been overly utilized either.

1289
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:16,199
Speaker 2: He hasn't been fine down or anything. He has a

1290
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:18,599
lot of awkward trajectory ahead of him.

1291
01:05:18,639 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I go those two. I'd probably go Megan Baine.

1292
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,679
Speaker 2: I can see that sky blue. I hear you.

1293
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 3: If I'm gonna take one of the spooky stiffer, she

1294
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,360
has more talent than what Julia Hart does. I think,

1295
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:36,559
you know what I don't think she's great, but I

1296
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:39,000
think she's at least working at it. She's trying to

1297
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:39,480
get better.

1298
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,679
Speaker 2: She is. It's always sexist for me to think this,

1299
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,679
but every like when sky Blue is dating Kyle Fletcher,

1300
01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:48,119
I'm like, well, surely she's he's helping trader. She'll be

1301
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:50,239
good in a little while, right, I always assume like

1302
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,960
when people are dating, like, yeah, they should be getting better.

1303
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:58,000
That's exactly the point why I know that's not actually true.

1304
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,639
I don't. I know my perception is wrong. That is

1305
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:02,480
the exact case against.

1306
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 3: I imagine Brian Danielson, like I'm sure they have a

1307
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,320
ring at their house, and I can imagine him going,

1308
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:13,760
her going, come on, can you come out and train?

1309
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,239
And him just going yeah, and he just goes out

1310
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,960
there and he's just like every day, every day we

1311
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:24,559
come out here, and every day I show you something,

1312
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,760
and every day you just don't fucking get it and

1313
01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:31,480
like and just be like I just this is almost

1314
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,480
like I could see because he's so into wrestling, like

1315
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:37,199
him going, if it wasn't for the kids, I divorce

1316
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:42,239
your ass. I could just imagine him just being like

1317
01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:49,039
what did I do? Just you know, but yeah, And

1318
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,559
I'm having a hard time picking a fourth. I'll you

1319
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:56,880
know what, Kevin Knight. I'll go with Kevin Knights.

1320
01:06:57,079 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: He's well, he could be world title champion right now. Adam,

1321
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,960
we wouldn't know. God, I would have got a notification

1322
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:04,280
of that.

1323
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we would have. We would have heard.

1324
01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 2: We would have heard, right, Zach blown up discord.

1325
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm even trying to think of, like, like

1326
01:07:12,679 --> 01:07:15,000
it is there a young tag team that you could

1327
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:18,199
say is a pillar? And the closest thing I could

1328
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:23,800
think of is the guns, but they're never really they're

1329
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:27,000
more of a joke. I think there's some talent there,

1330
01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:31,079
but I know Weight was high on him that they're

1331
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:38,800
good bumping heel team be a pillar. That's now like, yeah,

1332
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:43,519
I can't. I can't really think of a legitimate fourth.

1333
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:45,400
And like I said, it's just I think that for

1334
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:49,000
being such a young company, they lack young up and

1335
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:52,760
coming talent at the moment, and it's.

1336
01:07:52,679 --> 01:07:56,159
Speaker 2: Very have so many people in like their mid thirties

1337
01:07:56,239 --> 01:07:58,840
that's like almost the whole roster. Like Jay White's only

1338
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,039
thirty three, but he's already like setting stone as whatever

1339
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:03,119
the hell they're doing with him.

1340
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:05,559
Speaker 3: I think that if I was Jay White as soon

1341
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:09,960
as I could. If my contract was up in WWE

1342
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,079
had some interest in me, I would have some conversations

1343
01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:16,520
with him of where do you think where do you

1344
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,520
see me fitting in with your company. I think he

1345
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,760
would definitely be a guy that would starting on an XT,

1346
01:08:22,199 --> 01:08:24,680
even though it probably be insulting to him. I don't

1347
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,079
think he needs it, but I think he would send

1348
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:27,520
him there.

1349
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he would like rule n XT like

1350
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,840
Adam Cold when he was there. It'd be like that

1351
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:32,520
kind of thing.

1352
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,119
Speaker 3: And I would go I followed him. I'd go to WWE.

1353
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:38,600
I try to if I could stay healthy and have

1354
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,159
a really good, like three year run there and then come.

1355
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: Back established and as a top guy immediately not playing

1356
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:48,279
with Jews Robinson and Yeah, I.

1357
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:50,520
Speaker 3: Think he well, I think he would be a lot

1358
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,800
better off of like Bull Club's dead guys. That whole

1359
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:58,319
concepts fucking dead. So let's just everybody go our separate.

1360
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 2: Ways and literally to night on the pay per view,

1361
01:09:01,039 --> 01:09:03,600
there's a they had like a two person chain match

1362
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,800
between Old Bullet Club and Old Bullet Club, the Dogs

1363
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,680
and the Bank Bank Gang. They're both Bullet Club cast

1364
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,600
off basically, right, Yeah, Like what are they doing.

1365
01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:16,520
Speaker 3: Like who gives a ship? Like that was cool twelve

1366
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:17,119
years ago?

1367
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, who gives a shit? Is right?

1368
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:21,039
Speaker 3: Oh?

1369
01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 2: You know who I left off? Who might be a

1370
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:26,279
good pillar. Now we're going very young. But Brodie Lee Junior,

1371
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,359
if they corral him correctly, I mean, do you.

1372
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 3: Think he's got it?

1373
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 2: He does. I've seen clips of him. He's not. He's good.

1374
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:39,279
I mean it's it's not as believable as say Darby

1375
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,920
in the Ring, but he's is like actually fourteen, so

1376
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:42,560
that makes sense.

1377
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,319
Speaker 3: I think he's actually has a good chance that he's

1378
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,439
gonna fill out. If you look at how big his

1379
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,439
dad was and his mom is a you know, she

1380
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,680
ain't a twig, no, and she's not fat either, But

1381
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,520
I mean he's you know, she's thirty, you know, And

1382
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,359
I think that he's got a good base there to

1383
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:03,199
work off of. I you know, he's probably yeah, he

1384
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:05,159
could well. I mean, ship that gave Nick Wayne a

1385
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:08,199
contract before when he was the like sixteen, did they

1386
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:10,239
go to an independent show and go as soon as

1387
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:13,199
you turn eighteen, you're blah blah blah blah blah. And

1388
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:15,399
he's got a lot of talent. I just hate his face.

1389
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: Yes, it's an effected it's a very Sam and Govar face.

1390
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,520
And he was also very ugly.

1391
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,399
Speaker 3: I think he's very ugly too, and ugly people bother me.

1392
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 2: And yet you and I are pretty good friends. So

1393
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,760
I mean, let's just say what I think you're handsome. Yes,

1394
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,920
that is again, this is an audio medium you can

1395
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,000
lie to the people. I appreciate that, even.

1396
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 3: What you didn't even see. Like the other night when

1397
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,960
you were co hosting the SmackDown Show and I called in,

1398
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:42,520
did you see what my caption said at the bottom,

1399
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,039
I said Josh's best friend?

1400
01:10:44,279 --> 01:10:46,159
Speaker 2: I did. I saw that, and mardin like, Adam is

1401
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:47,640
not my best friend. I'm like, actually, no, I don't

1402
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,479
really have any friends. He might be a best friend

1403
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:57,720
for real, and then crafton meet and hang out with

1404
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:02,399
Josh smack Down post show. Yes, I did notice and

1405
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,279
appreciate that. Out of it, you're good people. All right. Well,

1406
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:08,079
before we round this all the way out, let's not

1407
01:11:08,319 --> 01:11:12,560
leave WWE out of the criticism, I mean conversation. Okay,

1408
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,920
So let's say starting, Let's say ww is a new

1409
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,279
company they're starting right now, but they have the exact

1410
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:20,520
same roster they have right now. Let's leave an XT

1411
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,319
out of it, because that's a whole other can of worms.

1412
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 3: Right, So we're called the main roster.

1413
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 2: Only main roster WWE as of July twenty seventh, twenty

1414
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,119
twenty six. What are you thinking if you were building

1415
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:38,039
four pillars oba, oh right, and that one's right there

1416
01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:38,800
hitting in the face.

1417
01:11:39,239 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 3: Ye yep, no, he he. He has a lot of

1418
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:50,000
the same issues that I have with Jungle Boy and Derby.

1419
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:53,039
The thing he has going for him is he's tall, yep,

1420
01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:55,600
and I think that he can fill up. He reminds

1421
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:00,000
me body wise a lot of young Randy Orton before

1422
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,840
where he started to fill out, like pre evolution, like

1423
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,920
when he was doing the whole where he kept breaking

1424
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,199
his shoulder and doing the Randy ort and health update

1425
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:12,000
thing like. So i'd say, javaon Howl's dragon off.

1426
01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:14,199
Speaker 2: Drags you know what's funny? And I looked it up

1427
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,960
at some point, Draggon off. It's like thirty something. I

1428
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,960
looked it up. Date of Bert. Why am I typing

1429
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,880
date of birth instead of birthday? God damn it. Come on,

1430
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:26,119
man was born in nineteen ninety three. Why are you

1431
01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:29,840
not telling me how old he is? Make me do math? Okay,

1432
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,000
who I didn't want to get.

1433
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 3: The probably too old to be a pillar, I.

1434
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 2: Would say, but he was a pillar of the SmackDown

1435
01:12:36,079 --> 01:12:38,000
US title scene all of last year.

1436
01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 3: And he was so good. Some of those matches were

1437
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:42,399
so so good.

1438
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,399
Speaker 2: It was the only good thing on those three hour

1439
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:45,159
shows for a while.

1440
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I might get some flag for this,

1441
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:52,720
but uh say it. Trick isn't there yet for me.

1442
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,920
He's right now, he's an entrance in a song. He

1443
01:12:55,960 --> 01:13:00,800
has a lot of work to do there, and and

1444
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,720
he's probably under thirty still, is he not?

1445
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:06,039
Speaker 2: That would have made sense, And in my hand, I'm like, no,

1446
01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:08,239
I think Trick is older. No, Trick is thirty two.

1447
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so. Melo is probably older too.

1448
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 2: I think Mellow is like a year young, he's thirty one,

1449
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,079
or he's in that range. I mean, Oba and Javon

1450
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:20,640
are too obvious starting points. I mean that would I

1451
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,239
have to say, just for the record, those would be

1452
01:13:22,279 --> 01:13:26,119
my two Oba obviously it's number one. No questions asked.

1453
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:29,079
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Speaker 3: I trying to think in the women's division.

1473
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what if it was if it was

1474
01:14:26,039 --> 01:14:28,399
a couple of years ago, it's Ria Ripley, that's the answer.

1475
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:33,079
Speaker 3: But yeah, right now, to be right, same thing with

1476
01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:35,720
Ba is older than people think.

1477
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:41,399
Speaker 2: She's mid thirties, yes, she's older than h Again, a

1478
01:14:41,399 --> 01:14:43,239
couple of years ago, I think Montenne would have been

1479
01:14:43,279 --> 01:14:45,720
a good choice, but uh yeah, not at this point.

1480
01:14:46,359 --> 01:14:50,119
Speaker 3: No, uh And I think they have more young talent,

1481
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:54,920
but I don't see anybody after Oba and Javon where

1482
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:59,199
I'm like, those are surefire future main inventors.

1483
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 2: Right Like I I've what Lyra has been doing recently.

1484
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 3: I was going to bring up Lyra and I was

1485
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,079
actually going to bring up there's something about Fallon Henley.

1486
01:15:08,039 --> 01:15:12,119
Speaker 2: That I like. Valon Henley has several things I like,

1487
01:15:12,279 --> 01:15:14,920
although how much has to do with wrestling and stuff.

1488
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,920
I do prefer out of the three, I think she

1489
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,079
is the best in that group, and.

1490
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 3: Even being pushed really hard right now.

1491
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,079
Speaker 2: They are she is half her women's tag team champion.

1492
01:15:24,359 --> 01:15:27,159
Good for her, and jac is out there every week

1493
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:30,000
and over performing what I would have guessed for her.

1494
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I'm not gonna say it. I'm not

1495
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:38,640
gonna say it. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be nice.

1496
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: She is more talented, she's always over. When I remember

1497
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,119
when I heard she was women's champion, I'm like, oh,

1498
01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:50,680
NXT has gone down the ship her. But she is

1499
01:15:51,239 --> 01:15:53,760
genuinely she's always improving.

1500
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 3: Actually, so when she was in her original group with

1501
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:02,119
Dolan and Mandy Rose, she was a distant third and

1502
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,600
neck group, right, and then if you look at it now,

1503
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,399
the other two are gone. She's the centerpiece of her

1504
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:12,640
own group on the main roster that's getting multiple segments

1505
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:13,439
a show.

1506
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 2: I mean, the biggest reactions for Heels on the show

1507
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:21,840
mostly How old is JC That's a fair question. I

1508
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,800
want to say thirty ish, But because I have the

1509
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,800
Internet and the ability to make sentences last way longer

1510
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,840
than they should, I can just look it up. She

1511
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,960
is Why am I keep typing birthday? Born in nineteen

1512
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,199
ninety six? So she is thirty this year?

1513
01:16:36,319 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 3: Yep.

1514
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, I can see her at least in her

1515
01:16:40,119 --> 01:16:42,520
I can see her holding It feels like it's easier

1516
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,279
for the women to rise up and get kind of

1517
01:16:44,319 --> 01:16:46,359
like a Fluke title win. So I would be surprised

1518
01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:48,000
if she's a world change roster.

1519
01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 3: The way loss of them to you know, to you're

1520
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,199
not competing against as many competitors, and.

1521
01:16:54,399 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 2: Oh here's one I have not. I have not. Nothing

1522
01:16:58,119 --> 01:17:01,039
they have done with her has been promise scene since

1523
01:17:01,039 --> 01:17:05,880
she quote unquote debuted on the roster, but Blake Monroe,

1524
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,800
if she was still on the AW roster, she would

1525
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,439
have been easily one of my pillars based just on

1526
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:12,640
the performance with Tony.

1527
01:17:13,039 --> 01:17:16,520
Speaker 3: I did not watch her run. How much now of

1528
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:17,960
her was Tony?

1529
01:17:18,319 --> 01:17:22,119
Speaker 2: Yeah that's a fair question. Yeah she's only twenty seven,

1530
01:17:22,199 --> 01:17:24,520
But you're right, I didn't watch her NXT run. Maybe

1531
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,199
it was good. I didn't hear any about it either though.

1532
01:17:27,399 --> 01:17:30,079
And then what she's been doing on SmackDown is fine,

1533
01:17:30,079 --> 01:17:31,640
I guess, but it's not anything.

1534
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 3: It's no, I mean, she hasn't even had a match yet.

1535
01:17:35,399 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 2: No, she's just randomly attacking people.

1536
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,119
Speaker 3: In the backstage and being a mean girl, right, which

1537
01:17:41,159 --> 01:17:41,760
she is good at that.

1538
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: I mean, she's.

1539
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 3: So I mean, I guess. I guess if we were

1540
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:50,199
going to pick another female to be a pillar like

1541
01:17:50,279 --> 01:17:52,640
I feel, I have to say Tiffany Stratton.

1542
01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:57,159
Speaker 2: And I don't want to say that, well, I should

1543
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:59,640
take a page out of your book with Darby. Just

1544
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:04,359
because I find Tiffany Stratton very grading and not that good,

1545
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,359
does it mean that she isn't generally appreciated and doesn't

1546
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,359
have a certain assets that would have made her a

1547
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:13,680
superstar like fifteen years ago?

1548
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,319
Speaker 3: And I'm with you because I'm not a huge fan,

1549
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,720
but from I'm just looking at worthy have her positioned

1550
01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:23,800
in the company as she's that next crop coming up

1551
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:28,560
behind the rheas the Charlotte's, the Bianca's, like, she's that

1552
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,399
next tier down looking to kind of she's tasted a

1553
01:18:31,399 --> 01:18:34,079
little bit of that top. And you know you're not

1554
01:18:34,119 --> 01:18:37,319
gonna say it's Jade. Jade's too old. I think could

1555
01:18:37,319 --> 01:18:38,760
be considered a pillar.

1556
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 2: Too old and still somehow green, and you would want

1557
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,680
to say, like Stephanie Vaker, but she's thirty three and

1558
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,279
also disappeared after Julia. I don't know what they're doing

1559
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:51,199
with Julia. I like Julia, but they apparently do not.

1560
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:55,359
What about Oh, you know, Keana has outperform In fact,

1561
01:18:55,399 --> 01:18:58,319
when they appeared, when they appeared, Julia and Keana like

1562
01:18:58,359 --> 01:19:01,119
for a while, Keana was like the star of that group.

1563
01:19:01,359 --> 01:19:03,560
I don't think that was what they were going for either. No.

1564
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:06,159
Speaker 3: I think that's why they broke him up, is because

1565
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:08,840
I think they'd think they have something there to push

1566
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,520
them on their own. And I think they've been disappointed

1567
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:12,039
in Julia.

1568
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 2: I think that's accurate. Oh, they've also not given her

1569
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,920
much of a chance to succeed, but also language bear,

1570
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,840
there's lots of look into that. Keana is only twenty

1571
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,960
nine though, but I mean Keana, say what you want

1572
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,199
about her. She did eat a clean pen on Friday

1573
01:19:27,239 --> 01:19:30,600
from Chelsea Green, who generally never wins anything.

1574
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:36,560
Speaker 3: So but Chelsea Green is a national presure and yeah,

1575
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,960
she gets the most out of the least all the time.

1576
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:45,279
She reminds me very much of where Sammy was before

1577
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,239
he got so hot with the bloodlines, Like where everything

1578
01:19:49,279 --> 01:19:52,000
they gave him, he made the bus out of it.

1579
01:19:52,279 --> 01:19:55,159
Even when it was crap, he still made it entertaining.

1580
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,239
And that's how I feel about Chelsea. She makes me laugh,

1581
01:19:59,319 --> 01:20:03,199
she makes me She's a much better entering performer than

1582
01:20:03,239 --> 01:20:06,279
what they allow her to show. Absolutely because for her

1583
01:20:06,319 --> 01:20:08,840
to have that match that she had in Luke Underground with.

1584
01:20:09,159 --> 01:20:12,319
Speaker 2: Her, yeah that's a crazy match, Like you can't just

1585
01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:13,760
be a person and do that.

1586
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 3: You can wrestle if you can do that match, And

1587
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,119
you know, I wish he would let her, but she's

1588
01:20:20,199 --> 01:20:22,960
leaned into her character has always been from when she

1589
01:20:23,039 --> 01:20:25,720
was in TNA, a little bit goofy, more of a

1590
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,279
comedy act, you know. So it's like it's her wheelhouse.

1591
01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:32,439
It's what she enjoys. And she seems very happy when

1592
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,319
you hear her talk and interviews and stuff, like she's

1593
01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:38,319
living her dream. So I mean good for her. Yeah,

1594
01:20:39,119 --> 01:20:44,640
she's happy. Oh, rock setting there, that is the correct answer.

1595
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,359
Speaker 2: Thank you for making it the Rocks. I she is

1596
01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:51,239
still super young and already very very good at what

1597
01:20:51,319 --> 01:20:51,640
she does.

1598
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think her her talking ability, like her

1599
01:20:55,359 --> 01:20:58,720
like the acting part of it has improved, leaves and

1600
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:02,000
bombs already just and she was an n XT like

1601
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:06,760
she's improved constantly from from the jump. And yeah, I

1602
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,840
think that's that's my fourth pillar.

1603
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Roxanne absolutely, gosh, well, I feel like I should

1604
01:21:13,319 --> 01:21:16,239
have different ones, but I think obviously oh ba Jevon

1605
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,439
is correct. And then that you talked to me right

1606
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,920
into Roxanne and nawd he forgot who your third one was?

1607
01:21:24,119 --> 01:21:27,279
They must well again we were struggling for those anything

1608
01:21:27,319 --> 01:21:31,479
after well, let's just say I found Yeah, you think

1609
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,800
you did, say Falent and Palent does have something going

1610
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,359
forward to She's also young, the most talented.

1611
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,279
Speaker 3: Good look a good look.

1612
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,119
Speaker 2: I can't say enough about that.

1613
01:21:40,359 --> 01:21:44,359
Speaker 3: Terrible, not not terrible on the mic, she's uh I've

1614
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:48,640
watched a couple of clips of her on uh Tody's podcast.

1615
01:21:49,079 --> 01:21:52,399
Very well spoken, likable. When you hear talk you kind

1616
01:21:52,399 --> 01:21:53,479
of probably want to root for.

1617
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 2: So that stuff matters f y. I I watched After

1618
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,840
Collision last night. They did like the uh uh kind

1619
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,840
of road to redemption, things like yeah, appreciate they always do,

1620
01:22:04,039 --> 01:22:06,279
and they like had like a sit down interview with

1621
01:22:06,319 --> 01:22:09,079
like Willow and she is just cutting like the best

1622
01:22:09,119 --> 01:22:11,640
promo of Willow's career and nobody is gonna see it.

1623
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:16,039
But she was so likable, vulnerable, intelligent, not talking down

1624
01:22:16,079 --> 01:22:18,640
in surpy. It was exactly what her promo should be

1625
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,279
but never are It was so mad, becam like, why

1626
01:22:21,319 --> 01:22:23,640
couldn't this have just been the promo leading to the match?

1627
01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 3: And you know that I'm a I love Willow, I'm

1628
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,840
a big Willow fan, but there is something. It's like

1629
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she kind of started to get popular and I think

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01:22:32,359 --> 01:22:34,800
she leaned. She thought the reason people liked her was

1631
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:38,520
the bubbliness, so she turned that up to like a fourteen.

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01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 2: But in reality I like her in spite of that.

1633
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,319
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean yeah, I like her. Look, I liked

1634
01:22:46,359 --> 01:22:48,880
that she you know, she's good in the ring.

1635
01:22:49,359 --> 01:22:49,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1636
01:22:50,039 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then the more she she started to talk

1637
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,479
too much. Yeah, and I've been accused of that in

1638
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,199
my life, that I talked too much.

1639
01:22:58,279 --> 01:23:03,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've actually never gotten that. Let me just leave

1640
01:23:03,279 --> 01:23:05,279
a chunk of silence to punctuate my point there.

1641
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that that, I think that would

1642
01:23:09,239 --> 01:23:12,000
be a pretty decent four pillars. And I don't know

1643
01:23:12,039 --> 01:23:14,279
what's coming up the pipe from NXT.

1644
01:23:15,359 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I don't watch either, but I know

1645
01:23:18,319 --> 01:23:20,960
Tony D's on top. People who watch nic T NXT

1646
01:23:21,239 --> 01:23:23,680
have seemed to like him. And I know Mike Santana,

1647
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,119
who might be getting a new name, also just debuted

1648
01:23:26,119 --> 01:23:28,239
there and I thought he. I liked him when he

1649
01:23:28,319 --> 01:23:30,720
was with a W And I didn't watch TNA obviously,

1650
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,520
but I thought he did really well for himself there

1651
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:33,079
as well.

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01:23:34,039 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 3: Forty yeah right, well.

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01:23:39,159 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 2: X T has been getting forty year olds like Naraku

1654
01:23:42,079 --> 01:23:43,920
formerly evil is like also right.

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01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't yeah, I'm just I can't think of

1656
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,239
because they just don't. Oh what about dominic dom?

1657
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,079
Speaker 2: Thank you? When you started to say somebody, I said,

1658
01:23:55,119 --> 01:23:56,760
go ahead and say it. I thought you were gonna

1659
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,680
say dom. I think dom is right. Dom is like

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01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,680
just now thirty years maybe twenty nine. Still, he's very

1661
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,880
young and already like the best. He's so good.

1662
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:08,079
Speaker 3: Everybody loves to I just wish you'd actually use them

1663
01:24:08,119 --> 01:24:10,840
a little bit more in the ring. He hasn't wrestled

1664
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,079
a ton in the last six months.

1665
01:24:13,399 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 2: Excuse me. He has a marquee match at SummerSlam. Adam,

1666
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,079
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna look at Dan Holsen

1667
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:25,000
and he I lose to Dan Hillson at Summer Se.

1668
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 3: I have a big He's gonna lose, which is mal practice.

1669
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:34,439
As much as I both companies can't book worthy right now, Sue.

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Speaker 8: Searching for more great pro wrestling talk, then join me

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Speaker 2: It Honestly, I'm gonna I do need to amend my

1680
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:16,479
pillars though. It's roxanm Perez, dominic Oba and Jabo that.

1681
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,399
Speaker 3: Is, and I'll goggle the same and take failing out

1682
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,920
put domin I think that that's a pretty good four pillars.

1683
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:27,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good I mean, yeah, that's good for

1684
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:29,359
the future. That would be good for WWE. Those are

1685
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,439
four people that if they became free agents, I would say, aw,

1686
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:36,800
sign them right now, don't just take them, steal them,

1687
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,600
tamper with some contracts, Tony, grow some balls. Man, what's

1688
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:40,119
Heven doing?

1689
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's only tampering with the people from his partners.

1690
01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 2: Right well, Adam, I think we have talked about the

1691
01:25:48,039 --> 01:25:51,239
four pillars ad nauseum. But I think let's just let's

1692
01:25:51,319 --> 01:25:55,039
just wrap the show up. I guess a group, we

1693
01:25:55,079 --> 01:25:57,359
can do a worship better as a group, the four

1694
01:25:57,359 --> 01:26:01,239
Pillars of ae W twenty nineteen versus as they are

1695
01:26:01,279 --> 01:26:04,119
now as a group. You think they're doing worse or better.

1696
01:26:04,399 --> 01:26:06,960
I guess not even than they were. Obviously as a group,

1697
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,239
doing better just because they've improved so much. It's in

1698
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,000
But are they doing worse or better than you would

1699
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:12,960
have projected?

1700
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:17,119
Speaker 3: For those four nineteen I think two of them.

1701
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 2: Because Sammy's dragging the whole group.

1702
01:26:19,279 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 3: Down, right, Sammy and Jungle Boy, it's like they've both

1703
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:28,000
been disappointments. But then Darby has been way more than

1704
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,239
what I would ever thought, and then JF has been

1705
01:26:31,279 --> 01:26:33,640
what we all thought he would be. He's the prodigy

1706
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,560
that actually didn't miss because a lot of time you

1707
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,720
have these up and coming can't miss, can't miss in

1708
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:43,560
all sports, and then they miss all the time, didn't miss,

1709
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:48,600
you know, and so you know, I'll say better, but slightly,

1710
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:52,279
And that's only because MJF is really pulling the rest

1711
01:26:52,359 --> 01:26:53,319
of the three of them.

1712
01:26:53,239 --> 01:26:58,159
Speaker 2: Up and Darby, right, I'd say darbyby outperforming and MJF

1713
01:26:58,279 --> 01:26:59,800
is also doing better than I would have guessed, even

1714
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,039
though I guess he would do great.

1715
01:27:01,159 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 3: So right, like you said, to be a three time

1716
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:07,359
champion already before thirty, it is pretty impressive.

1717
01:27:07,319 --> 01:27:10,319
Speaker 2: Right, and then like he's never not around the title anyway,

1718
01:27:10,359 --> 01:27:12,920
Like whenever he comes back, I'm curious, what do you

1719
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,399
think they're doing with him at all? In the rumor

1720
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,760
is that he they moved the Omega matchup so he'd

1721
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,560
have time to rest his knees, so he'd be ready

1722
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,840
for whatever they're doing all in. And I'm only asking

1723
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,840
you because I thought about it, and I came up.

1724
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 3: With nothing, the only thing I could think of. But

1725
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,039
it doesn't make sense because they're both heels and would

1726
01:27:31,079 --> 01:27:33,239
be Swerved. Because what's Swerve doing right now?

1727
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 2: Well, Tony Kahan said, somebody asked him about where Sweve

1728
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,199
has been, what he's been up to at the press thing,

1729
01:27:40,199 --> 01:27:42,760
and he said, ask me again after Redemption. So it's

1730
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,439
possible Swerve came back and had a huge effect on

1731
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,960
Redemption just twenty minutes ago. And of course you and

1732
01:27:48,039 --> 01:27:51,760
I already know although it's only twelve thirty that show

1733
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,600
is probably not over yet. That's probably still going.

1734
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 3: No, it'll be right. It will shoot then just about

1735
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,119
the time I got to get up to go to work.

1736
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, another reason I'm glad I didn't order it.

1737
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. I'd much rather be sitting here talking

1738
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:09,600
to you than watching that. It'sn't a strong card for

1739
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:11,399
me to to spend my money on.

1740
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,079
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, if they would have, if it had

1741
01:28:14,119 --> 01:28:16,800
been free, i'd be watching it. It's just I'm with you.

1742
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,680
It just didn't warrant my fifty dollars, especially knowing I've

1743
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,800
already like committed mentally to paying fifty dollars for all

1744
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:23,479
end next month.

1745
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,319
Speaker 3: So right, yeah, I'll be getting all in for sure.

1746
01:28:26,359 --> 01:28:28,840
I don't know. That was one of the few times

1747
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,960
I'm gonna buy them, because I would definitely have a

1748
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,319
fear of missing out that I'm going to miss something

1749
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,600
if I don't see it. Where I knew that I

1750
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:38,640
wouldn't miss anything tonight.

1751
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 2: No, No, I've seen clips. He can basically watch the

1752
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,159
entire show. He just follow aw on Facebook. They show

1753
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:46,159
like thirty clips from each match. You can kind of right,

1754
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:49,600
it's together, but instead I'm talking with you, which is

1755
01:28:50,279 --> 01:28:52,119
cheaper and arguably better.

1756
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely more entertaining. I know I find your art

1757
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:01,279
panter more entertaining than watching a you know, random fourteen matches.

1758
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't need to see the dogs, the

1759
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,760
Bangman Gang, and I love j White. I would be clear,

1760
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:07,439
I'm saying nothing.

1761
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,560
Speaker 3: I know you do. I know you love them, and

1762
01:29:10,199 --> 01:29:13,680
they just they have not done him well at all.

1763
01:29:14,359 --> 01:29:19,159
Speaker 2: It hurt Josh's heart over there. You all right? Yeah,

1764
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:22,560
so we did the worship better thing we have landed.

1765
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,520
That's the gimmicks. So the gimmick's done, so the show

1766
01:29:26,199 --> 01:29:30,399
basically also done. I should add that if you're listening

1767
01:29:30,399 --> 01:29:34,119
to this show and it kept got keen interrupted by commercials,

1768
01:29:35,119 --> 01:29:37,199
I don't know about anybody else, but it feels like

1769
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,760
they the dude wipes people tapped in. I got a

1770
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:43,039
dude Wipes commercial on a podcast the other day and

1771
01:29:43,079 --> 01:29:46,760
I just had bad aid WW flashbacks. I didn't like

1772
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,640
it at all. But if you want to go VIP

1773
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,359
to avoid those unnecessary things, you can do that at

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01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:58,720
pw torch dot com Slash go Dash VIP. That's how

1775
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,520
you do that. Adam and I are both VIP members.

1776
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,720
We don't listen to commercials for losers.

1777
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:09,560
Speaker 3: And hidden.

1778
01:30:10,079 --> 01:30:13,199
Speaker 2: What would you say is your favorite VIP specific show?

1779
01:30:13,399 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 3: My favorite VIP specific show would be worse or better

1780
01:30:17,239 --> 01:30:18,680
with Josh and Stephanie.

1781
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 2: Now, to be clear, I just said people can listen

1782
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,359
to this show free. It's not I would call it

1783
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:29,680
VIP specific. It's the fix me too, That's the reason

1784
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:30,760
I signed up for VIP.

1785
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,119
Speaker 3: It's the fix. I mean Tad.

1786
01:30:33,239 --> 01:30:36,560
Speaker 2: Stephanie's answer to Tad's so good, and I.

1787
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,520
Speaker 3: Love the how him and Wade play off each other.

1788
01:30:42,279 --> 01:30:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you get a different, arguably better version of

1789
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,920
weight if you can even imagine such a thing on

1790
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,920
the effects. Yeah, I love the fixed version of weight.

1791
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,399
It's a meter, I guess in a good way.

1792
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:57,159
Speaker 3: I love that show and I love everything with Rich

1793
01:30:57,199 --> 01:31:01,159
and Wade as wowk Yeah, very good. Both those shows

1794
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:05,399
are Those two shows alone are one hundred percent worth

1795
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:07,680
the cost of being a VIP.

1796
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,520
Speaker 2: Member and also not listening to this show with commercials

1797
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,720
also nice perk. Also the website, the back issue if

1798
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,319
you're a fan of wrestling history, back issues have got

1799
01:31:16,319 --> 01:31:18,399
it all. We're doing worship better you can. You can

1800
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:21,279
go back to twenty nineteen and see what people were

1801
01:31:21,319 --> 01:31:25,239
saying about Aw's young roster at the time. A lot

1802
01:31:25,239 --> 01:31:27,479
of interesting stuff back there. But it's a great resource

1803
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,520
to have when we're doing when Stephanie are doing a

1804
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,319
worship better from like twenty years ago when I was

1805
01:31:32,359 --> 01:31:35,199
not watching. Actually I was watching three years ago, fourteen

1806
01:31:35,279 --> 01:31:37,359
years ago, when I wasn't watching whenever that chunk was.

1807
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:42,159
But yeah, I'm struggling to wrap up the show here,

1808
01:31:42,319 --> 01:31:45,640
but I would like to thank Adam again for stepping

1809
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,960
in to fill Stephanie's tiny shoes. I assume tiny shoes.

1810
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,880
She seems like a girl with little feet.

1811
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:55,159
Speaker 3: While yeah, I really appreciate you asking me to come

1812
01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:58,399
on again, and I have a great time every time

1813
01:31:58,399 --> 01:32:00,319
I get to get on here with you. So I

1814
01:32:00,359 --> 01:32:03,199
just want to thank everybody that listens. Like Josh said,

1815
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:06,159
go vip. It's a great community and the chance to

1816
01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:10,800
post shows everything Wade does a great job of, you know,

1817
01:32:11,079 --> 01:32:15,159
giving good, unbiased analysis of the sport we love, and

1818
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:19,319
you know, just keep listening and support it. Give this

1819
01:32:19,399 --> 01:32:22,880
podcast a like or a five star or whatever on

1820
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:26,520
Apple or Spotify and all that stuff when you listen,

1821
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:28,079
and thank you again.

1822
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 2: Josh for having me on anytime. And then we'll be

1823
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:33,479
back with a new episode next week. Hopefully we will

1824
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,600
get Stephanie back and we can get to our aw

1825
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:39,840
pay per episode. Otherwise I might Adam is like my

1826
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,560
my blanket when I don't want to do a podcast

1827
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,319
alone and I don't want that. You don't want that,

1828
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:48,239
nobody wants that. So hopefully we'll get stuffed back next week.

1829
01:32:48,279 --> 01:32:50,960
Otherwise he'll probably be Adam again, even though he doesn't

1830
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:51,439
know it yet.

1831
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Luckily for me, I don't have much of a life,

1832
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,199
so I'm always available.

1833
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 2: That's great. And on that note, I'm gonna say everybody,

1834
01:33:02,279 --> 01:33:04,800
get a life, Go have a life, have a good night,

1835
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,880
have a good day, enjoy wrestling. You should be listening

1836
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,840
to this on Monday, So watch Raw tonight or don't

1837
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,159
watch it, but watch the post show anyway. You get

1838
01:33:14,199 --> 01:33:15,600
more out of the post show than the actual show

1839
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:19,079
half the time. Anyways, all right, this is we're really

1840
01:33:19,159 --> 01:33:22,039
dragging this out. On the plus side, I can cut

1841
01:33:22,079 --> 01:33:25,159
all this out, but I'm not gonna. So everybody have

1842
01:33:25,279 --> 01:33:27,960
a great night and I will talk to everybody next

1843
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:31,880
week on worship Better Pete, good night, everybody. There We go.

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01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:44,119
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