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Speaker 8: Good Evening. Cynthia Albrick, the executive chef of the Penske
Speaker 8: Marlborough racing team and darling of the Indie car circuit,
Speaker 8: went missing on October twenty fifth, nineteen ninety two, the
Speaker 8: night before her divorce from Michael Albrech became final Drivers
Speaker 8: and racing crews from across the country converged on the
Speaker 8: brickyard site of the Indianapolis five hundred to help search
Speaker 8: for her. As the head mechanic for the Dick Simon
Speaker 8: racing team known as Crabby across the race circuit, Michael
Speaker 8: had a reputation for bullying and abuse. He'd immediately become
Speaker 8: a suspect in Cynthia's disappearance, but with a strong alibi,
Speaker 8: there was nothing Authorities could do when he decided to
Speaker 8: take a vacation to Florida and skip a scheduled polygraph
Speaker 8: test and the search for his estranged wife. Nor could
Speaker 8: law enforcement charge him when Cynthia's body was found a
Speaker 8: few weeks later in northern Indiana minus her head. The
Speaker 8: case went cold for six years until a newly elected
Speaker 8: prosecutor allowed his deputies to charge Michael Albrech with murder.
Speaker 8: But would they be able to prove his guilt. This
Speaker 8: true crime legal thriller, written by one of the prosecutors,
Speaker 8: Larry Cells and journalist Margie Porter, runs at full throttle
Speaker 8: and will leave you on the edge of your seat
Speaker 8: right up to the checkered flag at the final verdict.
Speaker 8: The book that we're featuring this evening is Race to Justice,
Speaker 8: with my special guest prosecutor and author Larry Sells and
Speaker 8: journalist Margie Porter. Welcome to the program, and thank you
Speaker 8: very much for agreeing to this interview. Larry Sells and
Speaker 8: Margie Porter. Well, thank you, Dan, Thank you very much.
Speaker 8: Margie Porter and Larry Sells. Now, first off, Margie, tell us,
Speaker 8: as a journalist, how you came to be in a
Speaker 8: position to write this book, Race to Justice.
Speaker 9: I have to say that God was blessing me because
Speaker 9: I don't think I could have ever found this story
Speaker 9: by myself. I was in a writer's group working at
Speaker 9: that time with a judge on some children's books, and
Speaker 9: Larry happened by our writers group at Barnes and Noble
Speaker 9: and was talking to the judge and he ended up
Speaker 9: joining our writers group because he wanted to write this book. Well,
Speaker 9: he liked my work, and eventually he asked me to
Speaker 9: write the book, and I was like overjoyed because everybody
Speaker 9: was hoping for an opportunity like this, and basically I
Speaker 9: just felt like, you know, the sky had opened for
Speaker 9: me because I was getting to write this story. And
Speaker 9: I think that it is such a vibrant story and
Speaker 9: it's a murder. Yes, it's a grizzly murder, and it's tragic,
Speaker 9: but there is so much inspiration in this story that
Speaker 9: I just could not have stopped myself from writing it.
Speaker 9: So basically I was invited to write and thrilled to
Speaker 9: get the opportunity.
Speaker 8: Now, in the beginning of this book, we talk about
Speaker 8: Cynthia Allbreakfast, larger than life character executive chef for Penske's
Speaker 8: race team. And this is in May nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 8: So tell us Margie who Cynthia Albrech was. Tell us
Speaker 8: a little bit, as you write in the book, who
Speaker 8: she was, and then introduce her two best friends, Sandra
Speaker 8: Fink and Rebecca Miller.
Speaker 9: Okay, so Cynthia Albreck from the beginning should have been
Speaker 9: a tragic story. She grew up in Hialia, which is
Speaker 9: basically the slumps in Florida, and she had alcoholic parents
Speaker 9: and a very abusive life, and she was destined by
Speaker 9: fate to go nowhere. But this girl had a lot
Speaker 9: of spunk and she was determined that she would not
Speaker 9: stay there in that gutter. And so through her own efforts,
Speaker 9: she pulled herself up. She got a job, she got
Speaker 9: out of her parents' house. She eventually met Michael Albreck
Speaker 9: at a racing venue and fell in love, and he
Speaker 9: moved her to Milwaukee where he was involved as a
Speaker 9: race car mechanic. So she was born to tragedy. But
Speaker 9: she was the kind of woman who would not be
Speaker 9: kept down. She loved, loved, loved water sports, and she
Speaker 9: would get out there and she would try anything, and
Speaker 9: she was just so feisty, and people loved her and
Speaker 9: she loved people, and so that developed her. And when
Speaker 9: she got involved in the racing business. She started out
Speaker 9: as a Sioux chef, but she had so much cooking
Speaker 9: talent that she worked her way up to the executive
Speaker 9: chef for Roger Penske. Roger Penske was the pinnacle. Everybody
Speaker 9: wanted to work for Roger Penske. So she was the
Speaker 9: kind of woman who adored people. I mean, in one situation,
Speaker 9: the girls were driving to work and Roger Penske said,
Speaker 9: never ever ever be late, but there was an injured squirrel,
Speaker 9: and Cindy stopped to help the squirrel, and she felt
Speaker 9: that powerfully about an animal in distress. And the people
Speaker 9: that she meant just adored her. I mean they called
Speaker 9: her Ellie May because she had such a huge heart
Speaker 9: and was kind to everybody, and it didn't matter what
Speaker 9: team they were on. She would make sure that nobody
Speaker 9: went hungry. So people were just attracted to her, and
Speaker 9: she was the darling of the race. You know ndy
Speaker 9: five hundred, the gasoline alley. For decades, women weren't allowed there,
Speaker 9: but she was so anyway. Working for Penske, she met
Speaker 9: Sandy Fink and Becka Miller. These were her two best friends,
Speaker 9: and the three women ran the hospitality tent for the
Speaker 9: Penske team. Sandy was a Barbie doll. Bec mean, she
Speaker 9: was just, you know, this gorgeous blonde girl who had
Speaker 9: had her own talents, and she was very organized and
Speaker 9: she could do you know, delightful desserts. And Becca, you know,
Speaker 9: was just you know, this jazzy, little bright person who
Speaker 9: everybody adored, and everybody called them the girls in the
Speaker 9: racing circuit. They are still the girls now, they're not
Speaker 9: twenty anymore, but they are the girls and people just
Speaker 9: love them. And they played practical jokes, they did drive
Speaker 9: by fruitings, just having fun all the time. And so
Speaker 9: they were in the big middle of racing, and their
Speaker 9: husbands were all indie car mechanics, and they were best
Speaker 9: friends and just having a wonderful, wonderful time the time
Speaker 9: of their lives, and people adored them. And then of course,
Speaker 9: tragedy struck. As you know, this isn't this is a murder,
Speaker 9: and it's a gruesome murder. And if you read the
Speaker 9: description of what this killer did to her, you know,
Speaker 9: your stomach just kind of crumbles, because who would have
Speaker 9: the right to take such a bright and virbrant life.
Speaker 9: So this person, this self made person Sndy Allbrick, was
Speaker 9: destined for tragedy. She brought herself up to the heights
Speaker 9: of glory and then it was taken from her.
Speaker 8: Now you talked about when she met Michael Albrick, she
Speaker 8: fell in love, but then she found out that he
Speaker 8: was already married and he had other children in this
Speaker 8: developing relationship, Like her personality is that she's not a homewrecker,
Speaker 8: but tell us about that relationship with Michael and with
Speaker 8: the daughters. What kind of relationship they did have she
Speaker 8: did have with those daughters, and then some of the
Speaker 8: things that were characterized in the relationship in terms of
Speaker 8: socializing with her career and his participation in that socializing
Speaker 8: or not.
Speaker 9: Okay, So she left her entire life in Florida and
Speaker 9: moved to Milwaukee with Michael, and he did find out,
Speaker 9: she did find out that he was married and had
Speaker 9: three daughters, and she was willing to walk away. She
Speaker 9: said she wasn't going to destroy the marriage, but you know,
Speaker 9: obviously he was already an adulterer. And he said, oh, well,
Speaker 9: I'm divorcing her. I want you so he did divorce
Speaker 9: his wife, and when the girls came to visit in Indianapolis, well,
Speaker 9: Cindy would drop everything, no matter what she was doing,
Speaker 9: she would drop everything, and she would spend time with
Speaker 9: the girls and she would take them shopping and two
Speaker 9: events and just dedicate her whole time to them. But
Speaker 9: he did not. They were his daughters, but you know,
Speaker 9: he didn't want them to inconvenience him, so he just
Speaker 9: did his own thing and let Cindy take care of
Speaker 9: the girls. Socially, he was with the Dick Simon team.
Speaker 9: The Dick Simon team was not the star in the
Speaker 9: East at the Indy five hundred or any Indy car circuit.
Speaker 9: He was a lower rated team, but he was the
Speaker 9: chief mechanic and he made a good salary. Seventy five
Speaker 9: thousand a year, you know, back in the early nineties
Speaker 9: was a huge salary, and he was jealous Cindy. Cindy's
Speaker 9: friends Becca and Sandy started taking Cindy under their wing.
Speaker 9: She was kind of a plane jane. She wore you know,
Speaker 9: men's shirts and jeans and basically she wore her clothes
Speaker 9: to cover her and they said, no, you should wear
Speaker 9: beautiful clothes and they they taught her to wear beautiful
Speaker 9: clothes and to do her hair and her makeup, and
Speaker 9: she just brightened up and got some self esteem, which
Speaker 9: did not go well with her husband because he basically
Speaker 9: wanted to control her. So Marlboro Kinsky had a lot
Speaker 9: of money and a lot of huge events, and he
Speaker 9: started saying, I can't go. I work for Dick Simon.
Speaker 9: It's against the rules, which was not true. But whenever
Speaker 9: there was an event, everybody else went with their spouse
Speaker 9: and she had to go alone because he was controlling
Speaker 9: like that and was just passive aggressive. You know, I'm
Speaker 9: going to make sure you don't have a good time
Speaker 9: because I'm not that kind of attitude. So she would
Speaker 9: go by herself, and she was still, you know, bright
Speaker 9: and smartly, and she never let on that anything was
Speaker 9: bothering her. Occasionally she would show up with bruises and
Speaker 9: other team members would say, you know, is he hurting you?
Speaker 9: And she'd say no, no, no, no, no, hundred times,
Speaker 9: but it was obvious that he was mentally abusing her
Speaker 9: and she was afraid of him, and he would he
Speaker 9: would come by their area to talk to her, and
Speaker 9: everybody would just stiffen up. Because he was a mean person.
Speaker 9: I mean he even abused other racers or other mechanics
Speaker 9: so and talk down to them. So anytime the girl
Speaker 9: were together and he came around, she would signal, no,
Speaker 9: you can't talk about this, No you can't talk about that.
Speaker 9: You can't talk about us having fun because he wouldn't
Speaker 9: like it. Yeah, did that answer your question.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: The she had an operation in nineteen eighty nine, and
Speaker 8: this will become important later for our listeners. Tell us
Speaker 8: what that operation was to correct in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 9: Okay, so she had a severe case of TMJ, which
Speaker 9: means her jobs were missaligned. And this is a very
Speaker 9: painful condition. So Cindy grew up in a lot of pain.
Speaker 9: This misalignment causes severe headaches, neck aches, trouble with chewing.
Speaker 9: It just it's unbearable sometimes the pain. People get migraines
Speaker 9: from it. And she just had to endure it because
Speaker 9: her parents were alcoholics, they were poor, they couldn't do
Speaker 9: anything about it, and she just had to tough it out,
Speaker 9: you know, pain or no pain, you know, she went
Speaker 9: to work whether she felt like it or not, and
Speaker 9: she just endured it. But in eighty nine she had
Speaker 9: a surgery. It's called, I think a La fort astotomy
Speaker 9: if I can remember correctly to correct that. And the
Speaker 9: jawbone was rebuilt with a cadaver jaw and titanium and
Speaker 9: put together so that she quit having all that pain,
Speaker 9: and it aligned her jaw and it made her more beautiful.
Speaker 9: And Michael claimed that he paid, depending on who tells
Speaker 9: the story, anywhere from twenty five to forty thousand dollars
Speaker 9: for this surgery. Of course, other people say no, it
Speaker 9: was covered by insurance, and he just said that to
Speaker 9: make himself look good. But it was a very life
Speaker 9: transforming surgery as far as her personal comfort, her parents,
Speaker 9: and her happiness. He, as I said, took full credit,
Speaker 9: but a number of people seriously doubt that he ever
Speaker 9: paid anything for that surgery.
Speaker 8: Oh, really interesting, now, what aspects of their relationship, even
Speaker 8: though you write that Cindy was not a person to
Speaker 8: bring a certainly not to bring anything to work any
Speaker 8: kind of her problem marital problems to work, and she was,
Speaker 8: as you write, had a strained relationship with her parents
Speaker 8: that was just healing. You say her mother was alcoholic
Speaker 8: and the relationship with her father was shaky. You talked
Speaker 8: about what she confided in Sandy and Becky? What did
Speaker 8: she say about the relationship you talk about unusual and
Speaker 8: inappropriate in her mind sexual interests? Tell us what she
Speaker 8: did confide in these women about? Okay?
Speaker 9: Well, first of all, Michael, as I said, had her
Speaker 9: literally bound. He wanted her at work or at home period.
Speaker 9: He wanted total control. But of course he was out
Speaker 9: at the strip clubs himself, doing as he pleased. But
Speaker 9: at home he demanded really gross sexual practices. These women
Speaker 9: were working outside in the sun in the heat for
Speaker 9: fourteen sixteen hours a day, and she would come home
Speaker 9: dirty and sweaty and gritty, and he wouldn't want her
Speaker 9: to take a shower. He would want to have sex,
Speaker 9: and during her menstrual period he would want oral sex.
Speaker 9: And it really sickened her these practices that he was demanding.
Speaker 9: That it was a change in his behavior, but the
Speaker 9: more she hated it, the more he demanded it, and
Speaker 9: there didn't seem to be anything she could do about it.
Speaker 9: She couldn't please him, and anything he asked of her
Speaker 9: she tried to do, but she was just sickened and
Speaker 9: didn't want him touching her. And eventually she moved into
Speaker 9: the other bedroom and finally split up from him and
Speaker 9: got her own apartment.
Speaker 8: Now you see it, the apartments again. She doesn't believehas
Speaker 8: I had no experiences with actual violence, but there's this
Speaker 8: psychological abuse that she even tells her friends about that.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, But you talk about access to that apartment, how
Speaker 8: far it is from where she was living with Michael,
Speaker 8: but also about the cats, the situation with the cats
Speaker 8: and the key. Tell us about that.
Speaker 9: Oh, sure, the apartment was just like five minutes away
Speaker 9: from her former home, and it was a second floor
Speaker 9: apartment backed against a lot where you could look out
Speaker 9: and see trees. But there was a supermarket on the
Speaker 9: other side. And she kept the cats, Billy and Willie.
Speaker 9: They both loved the cats, so she gave him a
Speaker 9: key so that when she was out of town he
Speaker 9: could come and take care of the cats. However, he
Speaker 9: came and took care of the cats and started prying
Speaker 9: into her personal mail and her personal business and raising
Speaker 9: Cain about things he saw that he thought were suspicious.
Speaker 9: She would get a card from a friend and he
Speaker 9: growled that something was going on and obviously get very
Speaker 9: severe with her. A number of people had seen him
Speaker 9: yelling at her and making her cry, and she still
Speaker 9: denied that anything was arrived with that situation except possibly
Speaker 9: to back here and standing. So they knew, I mean,
Speaker 9: they could sense and they could see that she was
Speaker 9: doing everything she could to hide it. Everything as fine
Speaker 9: as fine, But it came to the point that she
Speaker 9: could not allow him in her apartment, she could not
Speaker 9: allow him access to her life, and she changed the law. However,
Speaker 9: whenever she was home, she would open the back patio
Speaker 9: door so the cats could look out, because she loved
Speaker 9: the cats, but couldn't let them outside. They were inside cats.
Speaker 8: Now, you take us to the situation in October of
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety two, and you take us to the final
Speaker 8: race and where Pete our pardoner at Pete's waite and
Speaker 8: Cindy Meat and their relationship changes forever. But you also
Speaker 8: talk about, just preceding this, where Cindy's career is and
Speaker 8: where Michael's career is at right at that time, and
Speaker 8: then tell us about the October twelfth final race of
Speaker 8: the season.
Speaker 9: Okay, so the Indianapolis five hundred and nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 9: Dick Simon was running two cars and he could barely
Speaker 9: afford to run his team at all, and he did
Speaker 9: not win anything in that race, and he ended up
Speaker 9: firing several mechanics, including Michael, So Michael was not making
Speaker 9: seventy five thousand dollars anymore. He went to work for
Speaker 9: another team where he was part time working one hundred dollars,
Speaker 9: making one hundred dollars a day as a man who
Speaker 9: had been a chief mechanic. So his job on the
Speaker 9: Dick Simon team was if you ever watched the hit
Speaker 9: crew and the guys come out to change the tires,
Speaker 9: he always changed that left front tire. You know. He
Speaker 9: was that guy that people keeped in on because it
Speaker 9: was the hardest to get into. So he was, you know,
Speaker 9: mister chief mechanic, mister king, and then all of a
Speaker 9: sudden he was the low life. Her career, Pennskive Course
Speaker 9: was growing and doing better, and she had been to
Speaker 9: visit Roger Pinski's yacht. The entire team went to visit
Speaker 9: and he had just asked her at the end of
Speaker 9: the race season to come and be the chef on
Speaker 9: his yacht. So this was a huge, huge promotion and
Speaker 9: she would be able to go to Florida and you know,
Speaker 9: be with her parents, and she was falling in love
Speaker 9: with Pete Twitty. They'd worked together for over a year,
Speaker 9: nothing special between them until the end of the race season.
Speaker 9: They were at Skeleton Lake in Canada and just they
Speaker 9: literally fell in love. They were looking and get each
Speaker 9: other over the fire and literally connected as soulmates, and
Speaker 9: uh they were. She was going to go to Florida.
Speaker 9: She was going to live with Pete. She was going
Speaker 9: to have a great relationship as soon as their divorce
Speaker 9: was final. Her life was coming up, and she was
Speaker 9: going to work for Roger Penski's yacht and that was
Speaker 9: that just made her happier than anything.
Speaker 8: You said that there was a conversation between Pete and
Speaker 8: and Cindy and so and talking about that. He thought
Speaker 8: it was odd that she didn't want him to go
Speaker 8: to Albuquerque and help her with the move. Tell us
Speaker 8: about those details.
Speaker 9: It was almost like she sent something and was protecting him.
Speaker 9: Tete Twitty is an amazing man. I mean, when you
Speaker 9: when you read the book, you'll realize this guy he
Speaker 9: was a giant in all ways, but he's also very
Speaker 9: very sensitive and he could sense something in her that
Speaker 9: seemed dark. So when she went to go home, she
Speaker 9: wouldn't let him drive her to the airport and she
Speaker 9: just kept saying, you know, don't worry, it's all going
Speaker 9: to be over. And he'd say, well, what is going on?
Speaker 9: Is Michael going to come after me? Is he going
Speaker 9: to come up behind me? Is he going to do something?
Speaker 9: And she'd say, no, it's going to be okay. But
Speaker 9: he had this sense that something dark was going on.
Speaker 9: He said it was the kind of sensitivity he had
Speaker 9: had since childhood, and he had a feeling that something
Speaker 9: was bad, and he wanted so badly to go with her,
Speaker 9: and she kept refusing and saying, no, everything's fine, everything's great.
Speaker 9: He didn't have a chance, and when he got home
Speaker 9: to Flora, the first thing he did was start calling
Speaker 9: her and got no answer. It was too late. She
Speaker 9: got home from the race and she was gone. But
Speaker 9: he had a sensitivity that that was going to happen.
Speaker 9: And she left the Allen's Er junior party, the Halloween party.
Speaker 9: She was a party girl. She would have stayed till
Speaker 9: the last minute, but that night she said no, I
Speaker 9: just want to go to the hotel and be with you,
Speaker 9: which is not like her at all, And so Pete
Speaker 9: understood that something was very wrong, but she would not
Speaker 9: talk about it.
Speaker 8: Tell our audience about the details of the divorce that
Speaker 8: was to be final the twenty six and that as
Speaker 8: a couple they had worked on what was Michael's position
Speaker 8: on this, But tell us about the details about the
Speaker 8: pending divorce October twenty sixth.
Speaker 9: According to the lawyer, this was an amical divorce. It
Speaker 9: was just paperwork. They had agreed to divorce, they agreed
Speaker 9: on the division of the property. It was a simple
Speaker 9: matter of waiting, you know. The sixty or ninety days
Speaker 9: whichever it was at that time, I'm sorry, took for
Speaker 9: the papers to be finalized, and then the divorce was complete.
Speaker 9: So Monday, October twenty sixth was a weekday, and that
Speaker 9: was the day of the divorce. Michael had argued that
Speaker 9: it was the twenty fourth, but of course you can't
Speaker 9: be divorced on the twenty fourth, which is a Saturday,
Speaker 9: because the court's not open. And repeatedly he came to
Speaker 9: her during this time and said, can we talk, Please
Speaker 9: take me back. I just want to be with you.
Speaker 9: And Sandy and Becka heard these conversations, and Cindy just
Speaker 9: kept saying, no, you know, we're getting divorced. So the
Speaker 9: twenty fourth was the day, which happened to be the
Speaker 9: day after she disappeared. So she disappeared the night before
Speaker 9: the divorce was final, and it appears that maybe it
Speaker 9: was not as amicable as the lawyer thought.
Speaker 8: Let's talk about when Cindy gets home, the phone calls
Speaker 8: she makes. You talk about calling Sandy and wishing her
Speaker 8: happy birthday. Tell us about that timeline around what time
Speaker 8: was that, and then you talk about what Cindy does
Speaker 8: after that phone call, and then what Pete Twitty does
Speaker 8: at around ten forty five. Tell us about this turn
Speaker 8: of events in the timeline.
Speaker 9: Cindy flew in from Indianapolis and she was exhausted. She
Speaker 9: went home, she took a shower. She called Sandy to
Speaker 9: wish her happy birthday, and Sandy said she almost didn't
Speaker 9: answer because she was exhausted herself. And I just chatted
Speaker 9: and you know, it's your birthday, and I just wanted
Speaker 9: to call. And it was just a cheerful conversation. And
Speaker 9: Cindy was happy because her divorce was about to be
Speaker 9: final and she was going to pack up her life
Speaker 9: and go do something else. And she called her mother.
Speaker 9: She had bought a heart necklace. And given half the
Speaker 9: heart to her mother and half to herself. And this
Speaker 9: was a symbol of renewing their relationship because they had
Speaker 9: been estranged. There had been some bad blood between them.
Speaker 9: I mean, it was so bad that Cindy's first husband
Speaker 9: that she had as a teenager beat her brutally into
Speaker 9: the hospital. And her mother came in and saw her
Speaker 9: beaten like that and said, what did you do to
Speaker 9: him to make him do this to you? So mother
Speaker 9: was not very nurturing, but now, as a woman with
Speaker 9: self esteem, she was renewing that relationship. And she talked
Speaker 9: to her mother and she said that she was waiting
Speaker 9: for Pete to call and then she was going to
Speaker 9: get some sleep. So Pete got into Indianapolis about around ten,
Speaker 9: So we're talking about just the thirty forty five minute
Speaker 9: time period here. Pete got in and called her, no answer,
Speaker 9: and he called again, no answer. And he kept leaving
Speaker 9: messages thinking, well, you know, did she not get in yet?
Speaker 9: Is she asleep? What's going on? And he called and
Speaker 9: called and called and called, and he finally said, Cindy,
Speaker 9: I know something has happened, or or you would have
Speaker 9: called me, you know, maybe I hope we're going to
Speaker 9: laugh about this someday. But there was no answer. So
Speaker 9: right around nine thirty ten PM, she was gone.
Speaker 8: Now you talk about the next day. Sandy and Becky,
Speaker 8: they're supposed to meet up with Cindy for a meeting
Speaker 8: talking about money. This was the end of the season,
Speaker 8: so they had planned to get together on Monday. She
Speaker 8: also had an appointment with her divorce attorney, and there
Speaker 8: was we didn't mention that on this extreme sports interest
Speaker 8: that Cindy had had knocked out all of her teeth.
Speaker 8: A dentist that also was involved with the indie racing said, listen,
Speaker 8: when you get back to Indianapolis, I'll fix you up.
Speaker 8: So there was that some appointment possibility that she would
Speaker 8: be seeing a doctor. Lots of things to do on
Speaker 8: that Monday. Pete is very worried. Contacts to Sandy and Becky.
Speaker 8: What do they all decide to do?
Speaker 9: At first, Sandy said, you know, when you get home
Speaker 9: from the race, there's all this to do. She had
Speaker 9: to go see about her divorce. She may just be
Speaker 9: busy today. I'm sure she'll call you later. But they
Speaker 9: didn't get an answer either, and so Tuesday morning, when
Speaker 9: nobody had heard from Cindy. Sandy and Becky got some
Speaker 9: coffee and donuts and went over to go over the books.
Speaker 9: Because Cindy had the kind of integrity that at a
Speaker 9: moment's notice, she could account for every penny of Penske's money,
Speaker 9: they gave them those girls thousands of dollars in cash
Speaker 9: to buy all the groceries because they were feeding hundreds
Speaker 9: of people. So she had a bag with that money,
Speaker 9: and the girls were coming to look at the receipts,
Speaker 9: look at the cash, make sure everything balanced, turn it in.
Speaker 9: They got to the apartment and her truck was there,
Speaker 9: and they were like, she's just not answering the phone.
Speaker 9: But she didn't answer the door either, so they went
Speaker 9: up the backstairs and it was like instantly they felt
Speaker 9: this darkness. I mean, the apartment was dark and the
Speaker 9: cats were crying and there was no music, and they
Speaker 9: instantly knew that something was wrong. Plus the door was
Speaker 9: off on the patio, so Sandy opened the door and
Speaker 9: they kind of looked in and they called to her
Speaker 9: and they didn't get an answer, and they were just
Speaker 9: freaked out and scared, and then they realized somebody could
Speaker 9: be in there, so they went back to Becca's car
Speaker 9: and they got a can of Maze and an umbrella
Speaker 9: because if somebody was in there, they were going to
Speaker 9: pokem and spray. I mean, that was their big plan.
Speaker 9: They went back into the apartment and it was just
Speaker 9: like this deathly silence, and of course Cindy was a
Speaker 9: virant person, there wouldn't be any deathly silence in her apartment.
Speaker 9: They went through the apartment and she was gone. Even
Speaker 9: the bathroom. She had this ocean blue curtain, and Beca said,
Speaker 9: I can't look behind it. I can't look behind it,
Speaker 9: and so Sandy said, I'll look behind the curtain if
Speaker 9: you look in the bedroom. And they were hoping to
Speaker 9: find her, but she wasn't there. So they called the
Speaker 9: police and Dane Morgan came and got them out of
Speaker 9: the apartment because he thought it might be a crime scene.
Speaker 9: And then this detective Steve Turner showed up and he
Speaker 9: treated it like it was not a crime scene. He
Speaker 9: was touching absolutely everything. Becca wanted to smoke, said don't
Speaker 9: go outside, just you know, use this ashtray here. So
Speaker 9: it was like you had two officers there, one acting like,
Speaker 9: oh my goodness, this is a crime scene, and this
Speaker 9: other guy saying, Oh, she's probably out, you know, doping
Speaker 9: or boozing or with a guy. No big deal. But
Speaker 9: the detective was Michael Albreck's best friend. So she was
Speaker 9: gone and they just thought it would be like TV. Okay,
Speaker 9: we reported her, somebody go find her, and it didn't happen,
Speaker 9: so they started calling friends. Racers came from around the
Speaker 9: country to Indianapolis. It was late October. We had freezing rain,
Speaker 9: it was cold, it was miserable. They were out all hours,
Speaker 9: day and night, going through woods, going through ditches looking
Speaker 9: for her for weeks. They loved her that much they
Speaker 9: just dropped their lives. They came to Speedway to look
Speaker 9: for her.
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Speaker 8: We were speaking about what was happening next with the
Speaker 8: Michael Albrecht Margie.
Speaker 3: What we.
Speaker 8: Didn't mention was that immediately Sandy, Pete and Becky believed
Speaker 8: Michael is responsible for Cindy's disappearance. And as such, you
Speaker 8: write that Sandy decides to call Michael at euro Motorsports.
Speaker 8: What is said in that conversation, what does she believe
Speaker 8: she already knows, and what does she ask him? And
Speaker 8: what's his response?
Speaker 9: So the girls called Michael and they were just, you know,
Speaker 9: all chit chatty. They didn't say that they were in
Speaker 9: Cidy's apartment. They were just like, hey, we're looking for Cindy.
Speaker 9: I wonder if you've seen her, and he said, no,
Speaker 9: she's not home from from California yet and I don't
Speaker 9: know when she'll be back. He denied knowing anything about her.
Speaker 9: So sorry, So he denied knowing anything. But immediately he
Speaker 9: was home packing up to go to on a trip
Speaker 9: to Florida. He was called into the police station. He
Speaker 9: was questioned and he was he was assigned to do
Speaker 9: a light detector test. He agreed to do it, but
Speaker 9: then he took off to Florida. Pete Twitty flew in
Speaker 9: from Florida, took the first flight he could get, went
Speaker 9: to the police station and was raising questions. He did
Speaker 9: know that. He was talking to Steve Turner, who was
Speaker 9: Michael's best friend, and Turner just said, oh, she's got
Speaker 9: lots of boyfriends, and he said, no, she's worked for
Speaker 9: me for a year. She's not doping, she's not out
Speaker 9: seeing boyfriends. Something's wrong. But Michael was just taking off
Speaker 9: the Florida to have a vacation. So all these people
Speaker 9: were looking for her, and Twitty even went to hire
Speaker 9: a private investigator. They were all looking for her for
Speaker 9: three weeks, and of course, after three weeks they found her.
Speaker 9: Not they, but some hunters found what was left of her,
Speaker 9: and then it got to be a really sad story.
Speaker 8: Now let's introduce Larry Cell's prosecutor, Larry Sells. Larry, I
Speaker 8: know that you don't come into this story just for
Speaker 8: a little bit, but tell us, as you know you've
Speaker 8: had the audience would know, and I know that you
Speaker 8: reviewed absolutely everything. Tell us a little bit about this
Speaker 8: private eye Campbell. What was his background and the kinds
Speaker 8: of things he did and basically the investigation that Sandra
Speaker 8: Becky and Pete Twitty undertook on their own. Tell us
Speaker 8: a little bit about your background, Larry, where you were
Speaker 8: at that time, and tell us a little bit about
Speaker 8: this private eye Campbell and what he found.
Speaker 3: Well, Don Campbell was a retired homicide detective with Annapolis
Speaker 3: Police Department and was very well known, very highly respected.
Speaker 3: Is a former marine and a tough guy and a
Speaker 3: grizzly appearance. And he didn't give him it.
Speaker 8: So what happened, sorry you're saying he was.
Speaker 3: Pete Tweity got information about mister Campbell, possibility you could
Speaker 3: hire him as a private investigator to help find Cindy
Speaker 3: or find out what happened to her. He went to
Speaker 3: see him. He had money that in part Penske had
Speaker 3: provided for hiring a private detective in about ten thousand
Speaker 3: dollars A funny story, sat down with Don Campbell, and
Speaker 3: Don told him, listen, I'm going to take this wherever
Speaker 3: it leads me, even if it's to you, mister Twitty.
Speaker 3: And Pete says, I'm not concerned. And he said, well,
Speaker 3: it'll cost you ten thousand dollars up front. Pete put
Speaker 3: the money on the table, he blinked, and the money
Speaker 3: was gone, and Don Campbell was hired, and he and
Speaker 3: Sandy Fink went to Milwaukee started interviewing people, even the
Speaker 3: people that had already been talked to by either the
Speaker 3: Speedway Police Department or Indianapolis or Indiana State Police, and
Speaker 3: even the FBI was involved in interviewing potential witnesses. And
Speaker 3: they talked to all of them and did a pretty
Speaker 3: thorough job and competent investigation. I had access to all
Speaker 3: that information during the course of the you know, my
Speaker 3: involvement in the case. That's how Don got involved. Tell
Speaker 3: you something, I remember reading about this case when Cindy disappeared.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was, just like a lot of other
Speaker 3: people in Indianapolis, was an avid fan of any car racing,
Speaker 3: and when I read about it, my first thought was,
Speaker 3: you know, this sounds like the husband's involved. But I
Speaker 3: didn't read much about that or hear or see anything
Speaker 3: on television about it for a while until her body
Speaker 3: was found, and that brought more attention to what had occurred.
Speaker 3: And still thought, well, the husband's probably involved. But I
Speaker 3: wasn't actually consolted or involved in the case at that time,
Speaker 3: and I was working on other cases. I had some
Speaker 3: definitely cases I was trying, and several other murders. But
Speaker 3: in the fall of nineteen ninety six, Lieutenant Bill Jones
Speaker 3: from the Speedway Police Department, who was a lead investigator
Speaker 3: in the case, and a Sergeant William Kruder with Indiana
Speaker 3: State Police and some of their co workers got permission
Speaker 3: to and came to the prosecutor's office and consulted with
Speaker 3: me and another deputy prosecutor. I'll tell you the first
Speaker 3: thing I saw in that case were the gruesome crime
Speaker 3: scene photos where Cindy was found and their body was
Speaker 3: found in the barbaric nature in which she had been killed,
Speaker 3: and I just thought, you know, how could anybody do
Speaker 3: that to a fellow human being? And I decided at
Speaker 3: that point, man, if you give me any evidence here,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go after the person responsible for this
Speaker 3: and we're going to make them pay for it. That's
Speaker 3: how I got involved.
Speaker 8: How did you go about this is the change of
Speaker 8: prosecution at the county level, and so you became involved.
Speaker 8: As you mentioned, how did you undertake this? Again basically
Speaker 8: essentially a reinvestigation to be able to prosecute Michael albrick.
Speaker 3: Well, the detectives, Bill Jones and Bill Kruger had done
Speaker 3: an outstanding job of gathering all the evidence I could
Speaker 3: get telephonic communications, and of course that was pretty much
Speaker 3: limited phone records, we didn't have cell phones back then,
Speaker 3: and also bank records, insurance records, and all the hundreds
Speaker 3: of witnesses that had been interviewed. I had access to
Speaker 3: all that information, all the crime scene evidence. But you'll
Speaker 3: have to understand that although there was some evidence in
Speaker 3: her apartment, really there was no evidence that the person
Speaker 3: that committed this crime had actually been there and done anything.
Speaker 3: There was evidence of Cindy being there, and there's evidence
Speaker 3: of this bag containing funds left over from the last
Speaker 3: race we're going, the sacred race that the girls were
Speaker 3: going to go through and then eventually submit that to
Speaker 3: Roger Penske's Marlboro Penske team. There was about over two
Speaker 3: thousand dollars that was supposed to be in that bag. Well,
Speaker 3: that money wasn't there. It was missing, and only a
Speaker 3: few people the Sandy, Becca, Cindy, and Pete Twitty and
Speaker 3: a couple other people Marlbvill Penske were aware of that.
Speaker 3: There was one other person that was aware of it,
Speaker 3: and that was Michael, the husband. Well, that money was gone,
Speaker 3: but nothing else was taken out of the apartment. Her
Speaker 3: car keys were there, or truck keys, they should say.
Speaker 3: Her purse with money and credit cards, other valuables in
Speaker 3: the apartment weren't even touched. The only thing taken out
Speaker 3: of that apartment was the money from that briefcase. And
Speaker 3: Cindy's body, which evidently was wrapped in a comforter that
Speaker 3: was missing from the apartment. And she must have been
Speaker 3: wearing her favorite T shirt, a large, extra large Garth
Speaker 3: Brooks T shirt that she often wore. After she took
Speaker 3: a shower and reclined on the couch for the evening.
Speaker 3: That was what was gone from her apartment.
Speaker 8: What about what did you find about life insurance policies
Speaker 8: for both of them?
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, I want to go back to their
Speaker 3: crime scene again. There were two crime scenes here, one
Speaker 3: where the body was actually heard. There had been some
Speaker 3: inclement weather, is is in very cold weather, rainy cold weather.
Speaker 3: The body was pretty well reserved, but there were any
Speaker 3: forensic evidence or trace evidence that normally you might be
Speaker 3: able to find at a crime scene and then washed
Speaker 3: away by the weather, and of course the head was
Speaker 3: not there. How you asked about life insurance. When she
Speaker 3: and Michael actually separated and she filed for divorce, she thought,
Speaker 3: for all intents and purposes her other divorce, her other
Speaker 3: life insurance would would be ended because she didn't make
Speaker 3: the premium payments on it, and she got her own
Speaker 3: life insurance and eventually named her father as a beneficiary
Speaker 3: of that policy. What she didn't know, and probably would
Speaker 3: have caused her considerable concern, is that Michael Finker kept
Speaker 3: paying a Michael fin I apologize Michael. Think Michael kept
Speaker 3: paying those premiums every month religiously. He made those premiums
Speaker 3: that becomes very important later on. Why would he pay
Speaker 3: premiums on a soon to be ex wife's the life
Speaker 3: insurance policy. It's a turn which means that the only
Speaker 3: way any money can be realized from that is if
Speaker 3: the person ensured die and then the individuals it's a
Speaker 3: beneficiary of that policy would get those funds. And Michael,
Speaker 3: of course was the beneficiary of that policy. And that's
Speaker 3: where that stood. But I'll tell you when I started
Speaker 3: reviewing this case, and there were volumes of materials and
Speaker 3: records when I started reviewing it, just different things came
Speaker 3: up to just all of us pointed toward Michael albret.
Speaker 3: It starts with the fact that the divorce was to
Speaker 3: be final December the Earth October twenty sixth, and she
Speaker 3: goes missing that very evening before. Now that could be
Speaker 3: a coincidence, I guess, but it's a very perplexing coincidence.
Speaker 3: Michael Albrecht, as you just heard from Margie, and Margie
Speaker 3: did a great job of telling you about not everything,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate that, and you probably understand now why
Speaker 3: I selected her her right, I couldn't write where the
Speaker 3: dern But Margie can not only write, she can talk
Speaker 3: and she explained things very well and I certainly appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I'll be forever and gebted to her for writing this
Speaker 3: book and doing such a great job on it, and
Speaker 3: everybody that's read it that her friends or were friends
Speaker 3: of Cindy feel the same way. Well, Michael Albrick was
Speaker 3: questioned he was supposed to show up for a polygraph
Speaker 3: the next day based upon the information he provided, the
Speaker 3: main substance of which is that he wasn't here in
Speaker 3: Innyianapolis when that happened. He was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and
Speaker 3: he had people that could could support that corroborate that. Well,
Speaker 3: he leaves for Florida the next day, doesn't show up
Speaker 3: for the polygraph. Everybody else that knows Cindy, that cares
Speaker 3: about her, everybody in the racing community, comes from everywhere
Speaker 3: to try to look for her. And where is he.
Speaker 3: He's vacationing in Florida. He knows at that point she's missing.
Speaker 3: He's been told by law enforcement. But this woman that
Speaker 3: he had tried to convince him just a few days
Speaker 3: before at the last race and Laguna Seka to come
Speaker 3: back to him, and he he wants her back, but
Speaker 3: what's he do when she shows up missing? He goes
Speaker 3: to Florida. You know, he didn't even get a learn
Speaker 3: about her once he knew that she was dead.
Speaker 8: You talk about and write about the reason why this
Speaker 8: took so long to actually take him six years to
Speaker 8: be able to take him to trial is that Michael
Speaker 8: Albeck had an alibi, and that alibi witness. That alibi
Speaker 8: was investigated and seemed to check out, at least in
Speaker 8: terms of the prosecutor at the time not willing to
Speaker 8: to prosecute, to move ahead with charges. In this investigation
Speaker 8: that you conduct along with detectives and with the detective Jones,
Speaker 8: what tell us the story of a Bill Filter and
Speaker 8: how that story changes.
Speaker 3: I want to do a little bit of a lead
Speaker 3: into that, if you don't mind. I wasn't consulted on
Speaker 3: this case till the fall of nineteen ninety six and
Speaker 3: all the work had pretty much been done, and I
Speaker 3: was aware of Bill Filter's involvement as an alibi witness
Speaker 3: for Michael Aubrett and michae Albrack's ex wife, and Milwaukee
Speaker 3: was also an alibi witness, and Bill Felder was a
Speaker 3: longtime friend of Michael's. But you know, I looked at
Speaker 3: the things that I thought. I know, the alibi was
Speaker 3: an obstacle, but I looked at the things that I
Speaker 3: thought pointed to the guilt of Michael Aubret as a person, because,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, if I could show that he committed
Speaker 3: the murder, and I could deal with that alibi first,
Speaker 3: but I need to be able to convince in my
Speaker 3: own be convinced my own mind, to be able to
Speaker 3: convince others that he's the one that did it. And
Speaker 3: I saw that evidence in the files, and I can't
Speaker 3: blieve in no other prosecutor before I looked at it
Speaker 3: was willing to dig in there and go through that stuff.
Speaker 3: I just in ninety six alone, I tried two death
Speaker 3: penalty cases. I tried some other murders. In nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: seven while I was still with us this, I tried
Speaker 3: fourteen murder cases. But I just I was so affected
Speaker 3: by the gruesomeness of this murder and what a beautiful
Speaker 3: person's in the all breck was that I decided, you know,
Speaker 3: whatever it took, I was going to search through these
Speaker 3: files and if the evidence was there, I was going
Speaker 3: to charge the person that was responsible for Now I
Speaker 3: was on a show called On the Case with Paula's
Speaker 3: on about this case in the all Breck murder, and
Speaker 3: she asked me, Larry, why do you think no other
Speaker 3: prosecutor was willing to file this case, either the prosecutor
Speaker 3: in Newton County in northern Indiana where the body was found,
Speaker 3: or the prosecutor in Marion County in Innnapolis, Indiana, where
Speaker 3: the crime actually started. So why wouldn't they file his case?
Speaker 3: I said. Clint Eastwood once said in one of his
Speaker 3: Dirty Hairy movies that the man's got to know his limitations,
Speaker 3: and I guess they knew theirs. I know that sounds
Speaker 3: pretty cocky, but you got to have that attitude in
Speaker 3: this business. I'm normally not that type of person, but
Speaker 3: when I get involved in a criminal case and I'm
Speaker 3: pretty focused and I feel confident once I've made a
Speaker 3: decision that I'm convinced that a person's guilt, that I'm
Speaker 3: going to do everything I can to make sure they're
Speaker 3: brought to trial and convince a jury that they did it.
Speaker 3: And that piece by piece I went through here. You know,
Speaker 3: I talked to you about the fact that divorce was
Speaker 3: to be final, that he laughed. While everybody went to Florida,
Speaker 3: everybody else was looking for a life insurance policy. I
Speaker 3: mean that jumped out at me. The fact that just
Speaker 3: a few days after she went missing, Michael Albreck's boss,
Speaker 3: a guy by name of Antonio Ferrari, had just come
Speaker 3: back from Italy and he was the owner of the
Speaker 3: euro Motorsports team that Michael was working part time for him.
Speaker 3: He liked Michael, Michael did a great job for him,
Speaker 3: but he couldn't afford to pay him the full salary
Speaker 3: of a full time racing cancer hired him on a
Speaker 3: part time basis. Well, Michael all right. When Ferrari got
Speaker 3: back into into the States, he read about Sindy's disappearance,
Speaker 3: and it brought up all those conversations, and he remembered
Speaker 3: all those conversations. Who did what Michael about about Michael's feelings.
Speaker 3: Michael so distraught, and it came toward the end of
Speaker 3: September early October, about the time the Pennsylvania Pennsylvania Race
Speaker 3: was to take place. Michael asked him if he could
Speaker 3: find somebody in the mafia that could do something permanent,
Speaker 3: in other words, kill Cindy. He said he had a
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars life insurance policy that he could pay
Speaker 3: that person that did it, and and Antonio put him off.
Speaker 3: He didn't know anybody in the mafia, but because of
Speaker 3: his name and I guess his connections to people in
Speaker 3: New York, Michael thought he did. But when he read
Speaker 3: about Cindy's disappearance, even though at the time when Michael
Speaker 3: was talking to him, he didn't, you know, he just
Speaker 3: he wrote it off as a rantings of the distraught
Speaker 3: to be ex husband, And we read that he went
Speaker 3: to the police and told him that that was really
Speaker 3: a significant piece of evidence. We also found out that
Speaker 3: Michael had secreted five thousand dollars in his father's bank
Speaker 3: account in Milwaukee that he kept there during the time
Speaker 3: the divorce was pending. Well, what do you think he did?
Speaker 3: Monday morning, October twenty sixth He and his father go
Speaker 3: to the bank and he withdraws that five thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, And they don't have to worry about
Speaker 3: sharing that with Cynthy anymore. But these that's the type
Speaker 3: of information that we were collecting. Now, all the phone
Speaker 3: calls between him and Felder. He hadn't really seen Jill
Speaker 3: Fielder for a long time. They knew each other when
Speaker 3: they were younger. Then they had reconnected in the spring
Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety two and Mike, well, I guess when
Speaker 3: it became a strange from sending started developing these plans
Speaker 3: to do something to it because he was so enraged
Speaker 3: over the fact that he had lost his position with
Speaker 3: Dick Simon racing in a top job, and she was
Speaker 3: doing so well with Marlboro Penske and the fact that
Speaker 3: you know, he just blamed her for the destruction of relationship,
Speaker 3: that she was finding love somewhere else, I mean, just
Speaker 3: consumed him. And he decided, you know, during that summerfall
Speaker 3: that he was gonna he was going to do something
Speaker 3: to her. He's gonna kill her, have her killed.
Speaker 8: So you also found out information damaging information against Michael
Speaker 8: from his own brother, who was a police officer. This
Speaker 8: is fascinating information in terms of what Randy does as
Speaker 8: a brother and as a police officer. Tell us about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was in the summer. He was living in
Speaker 3: Florida at the time. His brother was a Broward County
Speaker 3: Deputy sheriff in Fort Lauderdale, and he was living with
Speaker 3: the living with his brother and his brother's wife and family,
Speaker 3: and his brother could see Michael just self destructing, just
Speaker 3: right in front of him. Michael just going berserk, and
Speaker 3: he was so enraged, upset, crying one moment, threatening Sindy
Speaker 3: at other moments, and he tried to get his brother
Speaker 3: to find a Cuban, somebody in that area, Miami area
Speaker 3: that could do something to Sindy when she came to
Speaker 3: Florida to visit her mother in the summer. Of course,
Speaker 3: his brother said, now, listen, you're upset because the fact
Speaker 3: that you and Cindia are breaking up. I just give
Speaker 3: it some time. Uh. And he just tried to talk
Speaker 3: Michael down. That Michael couldn't be talked down. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: and his brother, just like Antonio Ferrari later on, his
Speaker 3: brother just kept putting him off and putting him off,
Speaker 3: and that Michael was determined. Uh. And you know what
Speaker 3: happened at the end.
Speaker 8: M HM.
Speaker 3: Now, we didn't find anything about out about William Fielder's
Speaker 3: involvement until we actually charged Michael Albrecht. But I had
Speaker 3: a plan in motion, and that was that I was
Speaker 3: going to charge Michael Albrick getting back at that time
Speaker 3: he was working as a mechanic and a and a
Speaker 3: dealership at BMW Dealership in right outside of Atlanta, and
Speaker 3: we had to extra guide him back because he didn't
Speaker 3: want to come back willingly. But we got him back
Speaker 3: to Indiana and I put the second stage of the
Speaker 3: plan in action. I filed charges against William Fielder for
Speaker 3: assisting a criminal, because if Michael had committed the murder,
Speaker 3: that meant William Fielder was lying about the alibi. So
Speaker 3: I charged him with assisting a criminal. The lesser crime
Speaker 3: was a Class C felony carrying anywhere from two to
Speaker 3: eight years in prison. I got the judge that put
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars bond on him, and we went
Speaker 3: to arrest Bill Fielder. We got a lawyer, and the
Speaker 3: lawyer called me and said, Larry, is there anything we
Speaker 3: can do with this case? And I said, well, it
Speaker 3: depends on what Bill Filler is going to do. He said,
Speaker 3: I think you don't like what he's going to do.
Speaker 3: So the lawyer and he came to Innapolis and I
Speaker 3: sat down with Bill Filder gave him a grant of immunity,
Speaker 3: meaning that anything he told us as long as he
Speaker 3: wasn't involved in the murder would not be used against
Speaker 3: him so long as he told the truth. And he
Speaker 3: agreed to do that, and he told us some things
Speaker 3: that were things we didn't know, and Ashley helped the
Speaker 3: case considerably.
Speaker 8: You write about what he says, and it is incredible
Speaker 8: that he keeps his secret for five years, more than
Speaker 8: five years, but in the end he confesses and he
Speaker 8: states the preparation that Michael Albrick did for him, and
Speaker 8: the request he had in the beginning, and what Michael
Speaker 8: Albrick settled for with Bill Filter. But it was especially
Speaker 8: shocking and yeah, very shocking to hear the preparation and
Speaker 8: all the things that Filter said that all Brick had
Speaker 8: instructed him to do.
Speaker 3: Tell us, Well, Philler had come to in Inaplis in
Speaker 3: May of ninety two for the five hundreds, and that's
Speaker 3: that was five Ermut Race, and that's sort of where
Speaker 3: they had talked before that, but that's sort of where
Speaker 3: that it really reknewed their relationship again. Well, there have
Speaker 3: been a lot of communication between them up and through
Speaker 3: a letter part of September early October of ninety two.
Speaker 3: In early October, Mike Albrich asked well William Fielder to
Speaker 3: come to Annapolis what she did, and Albrick took him
Speaker 3: to the wooded area behind Send the Albruck's apartment from
Speaker 3: which you could actually see Send these balcony and you
Speaker 3: could actually see into the apartment through the sliding glass doors.
Speaker 3: And he showed field this and he said, Bill, I
Speaker 3: want you to help me. Actually, I want you to
Speaker 3: do it. I want you to kill her. She's ruining
Speaker 3: my life and I want you to kill her. He says,
Speaker 3: Now we're going to have to cut her head off
Speaker 3: because all of this extensive work she's had done on
Speaker 3: her jaw. He told Filder about, you know, the titanium
Speaker 3: that was in her jaw. And you know, if Fielder
Speaker 3: had to have been there to be able to describe
Speaker 3: himself what he saw from that wooded area when he
Speaker 3: looked up to Cindy's balcony, and he had to have
Speaker 3: been told by Michael Albrecht about that titanium in her
Speaker 3: jaw to know those things, and that added to his
Speaker 3: credibility as witness. And so why he waited so long
Speaker 3: before he ever said anything, or why he waited until
Speaker 3: the threat of prosecution and have him make one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars bond or sitting in jail awaiting disposition. In
Speaker 3: his case, I can't tell you why he waited that long.
Speaker 3: He said that he didn't think that Michael is actually
Speaker 3: going to do it. Although when you're drug out to
Speaker 3: an area like that, you're told this is what's going
Speaker 3: to happen. I want you to help me do it.
Speaker 3: Philder said that he told him, he says, you're crazy.
Speaker 3: Just let this woman go, and he said had later
Speaker 3: on then he said although he wouldn't help him do it,
Speaker 3: that he would agree to alibi for him because Olbrick
Speaker 3: did the requested that he do that. You know, I
Speaker 3: don't know what's going on in his brain. Then all
Speaker 3: he's got to do is call law enforcement and let
Speaker 3: him know about it. And Cyndy Aubrucks still lie today.
Speaker 3: Let's fast forward to October the twenty fifth, and they're
Speaker 3: still having both personal contact and telephone communications between them,
Speaker 3: and they're talking about this stuff well in October the
Speaker 3: twenty fifth. Let's go one day before that, October twenty fourth,
Speaker 3: he goes out drinking a filler and again still tries
Speaker 3: to get him to help him do this, until this
Speaker 3: says no, hollibi for you. I'm not going to help
Speaker 3: you do it. On October the twenty fifth, they don't
Speaker 3: see you talk to one another. The next time Bill
Speaker 3: Fielder sees him is the morning of October twenty six,
Speaker 3: is after Olibert had spent the night with his ex
Speaker 3: wife there in Milwaukee. He drives out to Bill Filter's
Speaker 3: work site that Monday morning. Philler sees him, walks out
Speaker 3: to him. Albert's out of his car and he says.
Speaker 3: Philler says, did you do it? Albret says, yeah, she's
Speaker 3: in the trunk. You want to see her. And Philder
Speaker 3: took a step toward the car and I said, stopped.
Speaker 3: He said, I don't think so well. Philler telling us
Speaker 3: about that incident. I mean, that seems so real, so
Speaker 3: convincing that that actually happened. That the two things that
Speaker 3: I thought really establishes credit ability, even though you know
Speaker 3: you loathe him and what he did, in fact he
Speaker 3: didn't take action. It convinced that he's telling the truth.
Speaker 3: And he fills in other details as well. But those
Speaker 3: were two very significant parts because it let us know
Speaker 3: we wondered how he could get the Indianapolis Kill Cindy
Speaker 3: get back to Milwaukee and the body end up in
Speaker 3: that wooded area about halfway in between. And how did
Speaker 3: that happen in an eight or nine hour period because
Speaker 3: it's over four hours from Indianapolis or from Wukee to
Speaker 3: Indianapolis and SAME's going back. Those are under normal conditions
Speaker 3: with normal traffic. Of course, these were normal conditions. He
Speaker 3: was in a hurry, but he it told us what happened.
Speaker 3: Has he probably strangled her in the apartment because they
Speaker 3: didn't leave any there's no blood evidence or any evidence
Speaker 3: of that. He in his struggle there, and he was
Speaker 3: a really strong guy. Strangler killed her, took her, carried
Speaker 3: her through that wooded area to the back of a
Speaker 3: supermarket that's right off Interstate for sixty five that led
Speaker 3: up to sixty five and then to Milwaukee. Threw in
Speaker 3: a truck of a car and drove back to Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: Spent the night with his ex wife with his with
Speaker 3: Cindy still in the truck of that car dead, and uh,
Speaker 3: he even had sex with his ex wife if you
Speaker 3: can believe that. Next morning he goes out to see
Speaker 3: Fielder and then he goes with his dad to the
Speaker 3: bank and gets the five thousand dollars. He drives back
Speaker 3: to the wooded area just off sixty five and uh,
Speaker 3: that's see Roselawn DeMott exit. And there's a nudist college
Speaker 3: just a couple of miles down the road from the
Speaker 3: wooded area where he dumped the body, cut off her head,
Speaker 3: probably wrapped it in that comforter he'd taken off the
Speaker 3: bed and threw in the tront of the car with
Speaker 3: and you know, he also took that Garth brook and
Speaker 3: Brooks T shirt and the head with him. And we
Speaker 3: believe that he may have He came back to Innanapolis
Speaker 3: and he left in his little BMW to drive to
Speaker 3: Florida a couple of days later, and we think he
Speaker 3: may have taken the head with him to Florida and
Speaker 3: disposed of it there. But we don't know. We just
Speaker 3: know it was never recovered. Right. The filler help fill
Speaker 3: in those holes, helped tell holes, help tell the story
Speaker 3: of what happened.
Speaker 8: Now you read that trial. Of course, iss four attorneys,
Speaker 8: one being a person named Finley and another quite successful
Speaker 8: attorney named Camon. And it's what we could categorize.
Speaker 3: A congresswoman that was represent him for a while.
Speaker 8: Needless. The vigorous defense wasn't there, Yes, it was, yes,
Speaker 8: Now you were interested in the ahead.
Speaker 3: Anything they could do they did do. Fortunately, we had
Speaker 3: a judge that was really about as sharp as judge
Speaker 3: I've come across. Knew the law very well and with
Speaker 3: the help of our UH legal intern who's now a
Speaker 3: prominent attorney in the Hamilton County areage is North Indianapolis
Speaker 3: as an extremely brilliant and gifted legal mind, helped us
Speaker 3: with illegal research and responding to a lot of issues
Speaker 3: that came up, including extradition issues and UH Kevin regarding
Speaker 3: light detector tests that somebody else had taken and not
Speaker 3: done so well on a potential suspect before I addressed
Speaker 3: all difficult, complicated traps legal traps that were set up
Speaker 3: by the defense throughout these proceedings. So he helped us enormously.
Speaker 3: Allowed the other attorney, John Commons, other deputy prosecut and
Speaker 3: I had to focus on the witnesses and the evidence,
Speaker 3: and that was a that was quite a lot as well.
Speaker 3: We had two weeks of trial in this case as
Speaker 3: well as unbelievable hearings that lasted from the date of
Speaker 3: his arrests in June of ninety seven until the trial
Speaker 3: in June of ninety eight, So it was an ordeal
Speaker 3: all the way through. But I wouldn't have had it
Speaker 3: any other way. I mean I wanted to do it,
Speaker 3: and he had top flight lawyers, well paid. Who've you know?
Speaker 3: I have received acclaim elsewhere in other cases. And they
Speaker 3: did a terrific job. That did such a great job
Speaker 3: that after the trial and the verdict, there wasn't much
Speaker 3: left for them to appeal. Yeah, certainly they couldn't retail
Speaker 3: a case based upon the un effective assistance Council.
Speaker 8: M You write about that you were interested in the
Speaker 8: death penalty, but that decision was not up to you,
Speaker 8: so again went to the jury with a different sentence.
Speaker 8: Tell us about that sentence. And but before that, what
Speaker 8: we haven't spoke too much about is the extraordinary effort
Speaker 8: of Sandra Becky and Pete Twitty and this private eye
Speaker 8: Campbell that came that did a lot of work before
Speaker 8: the body Cindy's body was discovered. And you in the book,
Speaker 8: it talks about your meeting with these people and you're
Speaker 8: impression of these people and their efforts. So tell us
Speaker 8: about that meeting with these people, their efforts what you
Speaker 8: thought about them, and then talk about the death penalty
Speaker 8: versus what actually the sentence was handed down.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you the detective Bill Jones, the primary detective,
Speaker 3: is teared up on television on a couple of occasions
Speaker 3: thinking about what dear friends Sandy and Becco were and
Speaker 3: Pete and how so strongly they felt about Cindy and
Speaker 3: making certain justice was done to the extent that the
Speaker 3: law allows. That. They pushed and pushed and pushed Bill.
Speaker 3: Not that he required much nudging, because he was quite
Speaker 3: willing to do the work, but I think it gave
Speaker 3: him the motivation to go even beyond what he felt
Speaker 3: like perhaps needed to be done, to do everything possible
Speaker 3: to see that charges would be brought. And the person tried.
Speaker 3: He couldn't get any prosecutor listen to him, but that
Speaker 3: didn't stop him. He just kept after it and back
Speaker 3: and Sandy kept after him, kept bugging him Bill when
Speaker 3: something going to happen here, get those charges filed. They
Speaker 3: even went to the governor and the state of Indiana
Speaker 3: trying to get something done, but he just gave him
Speaker 3: the cold shoulder too. But Bill didn't at their encouraging
Speaker 3: encouragement and Pete was after him as well. He just
Speaker 3: worked and worked and worked, and he finally came and
Speaker 3: talked to me and John Commons about this case. You'd
Speaker 3: seen that we had won a murder case just a
Speaker 3: year or so before against a lawyer, criminal lawyer that
Speaker 3: had murdered his wife, and the evidence in that case
Speaker 3: was entirely circumstantial. He felt like he had a better
Speaker 3: case than the one we had won, so he talked
Speaker 3: to the new elected prosecutor, Scott Newman, and Scott said, yeah,
Speaker 3: you can talk to these two guys. He came in
Speaker 3: to see us, and he convinced me right away. But
Speaker 3: I still had to convince Scott Newman that there was
Speaker 3: enough evidence there to let me file it. And I
Speaker 3: told you about all the cases I was handling at
Speaker 3: the same time. I was going through all these materials.
Speaker 3: But finally Scott agreed to allow us to file the charges.
Speaker 3: But uh, the throughout this whole ordeal, Sandy and Becca
Speaker 3: never lost their drive or will to uh see that
Speaker 3: that their that their dear friend was avenged, and they
Speaker 3: just pushed and pushed and pushed. Now, I never met
Speaker 3: either one of them or Peach Twitty until after I
Speaker 3: filed these charges right, and then I couldn't stay away
Speaker 3: from them. I mean, they kept calling me to know
Speaker 3: what was going on at different stages. Pete Twitty invited
Speaker 3: me to Cleveland, Ohio to a big Championship Auto racing
Speaker 3: team event there in Cleveland and wanted me to attend,
Speaker 3: and he just wanted me to keep him apprize of
Speaker 3: everything that was going on to and throughout the period
Speaker 3: from the time of arrest until the trial. They were
Speaker 3: involved themselves and having give depositions or sworn testimony about
Speaker 3: what they knew. The defense had a right in state
Speaker 3: of Indiana, they're allowed to take depositions of state's witnesses,
Speaker 3: and also Pete Twitty had to as well, and they
Speaker 3: voluntarily applied with all that they wanted to do everything
Speaker 3: they could from the time she went missing and they
Speaker 3: knew in her own minds who was responsible for it
Speaker 3: until we went to trial. For six long years, they
Speaker 3: worked so hard that it was hard for either Bill
Speaker 3: Jones or myself or John Thomas to not work hard
Speaker 3: as well, regardless of other investigations or other cases we
Speaker 3: were working on. And they motivated me. I'll say that,
Speaker 3: I mean the case itself, and the sweetheart that Cyndy
Speaker 3: Aubreck was, and what had happened to her, you know,
Speaker 3: the barbaric nature she was treated. All those motivated me
Speaker 3: as well. But those girls and Pete kept me alma
Speaker 3: toes too, And to this day I thanked them for
Speaker 3: their help in pushing this case as hard as they did,
Speaker 3: because that assured that everybody involved, at least from the
Speaker 3: prostitution standpoint, was going to do everything they could to
Speaker 3: assure to get justice for the for the family, friends,
Speaker 3: and for Cindy.
Speaker 8: What was the sentence? I mentioned that you wanted to
Speaker 8: death finitely with someone else's decision. What was the sentence?
Speaker 3: I tried to cases, and I thought this case was
Speaker 3: the horrendous. Uh. The injuries that were there, that was sustained,
Speaker 3: and what pain and miseries Cyndy had to go through.
Speaker 3: And I thought, for this case, just from the circumstances
Speaker 3: of the crime, that deserves the death penalty. But there's
Speaker 3: some considerations in addition to the circumstances of crime. For
Speaker 3: one thing, the evidence was mostly circumstantial and it wasn't
Speaker 3: the best case. Uh, as far as you know, I
Speaker 3: walked into the courtroom tried a lot stronger cases than
Speaker 3: this one. Uh. But this case, I thought we had
Speaker 3: enough evidence that at least a jury ought to make
Speaker 3: a decision on guilt or innocence. They ought to be
Speaker 3: presented to a jury, let them hear the evidence and
Speaker 3: make a decision. But you know, the elected prosecutor makes
Speaker 3: a decision constant consulting with the deputy prosecutors that are
Speaker 3: handling the case whether or not a death the death
Speaker 3: meiner should be should be filed. And because it adds
Speaker 3: so much extra uh impact in more evidence even that
Speaker 3: needs to be presented for that type of case to
Speaker 3: convince a jury who's aware of the time they're trying it,
Speaker 3: that's the deathIn the case, they require even more evidence
Speaker 3: they might in another murder case. And we didn't want
Speaker 3: to run the risk, and certainly Scott Newman didn't. They
Speaker 3: thought he was running and some risk allowed me to
Speaker 3: try the case in the first place. But he didn't
Speaker 3: want to run the risk of losing a case because
Speaker 3: the jury got hung up on the death in the aspect.
Speaker 3: So we went with murder. And at that time in
Speaker 3: the state of Indiana, a murder carried a maximum of
Speaker 3: sixty years in prison, and a sixty years sentence in
Speaker 3: Indiana back then didn't mean sixty years in prison. An
Speaker 3: individual only had as only as he belonged behaving himself
Speaker 3: in prison, only had to serve half that time or less. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the walls changed in twenty fourteen. They changed so that
Speaker 3: they had to serve seventy five percent of the sentence.
Speaker 3: But even a sixty year maximum sentence wasn't enough in
Speaker 3: that case. But that's what we were left with, and
Speaker 3: that's what he got.
Speaker 8: Say June fourth, two and twenty twenty three, he's eligible
Speaker 8: to be out. I want to think very much you
Speaker 8: will be.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Here's here's another talking about talking about reband Salt
Speaker 3: in the wound. He received four years office sentence for
Speaker 3: educational pursuits. He got a college education. You know who
Speaker 3: paid for that. The taxpayers paid for that. We paid
Speaker 3: for him to get four years knocked off his sentence.
Speaker 3: So instead of sixty years, which is what the court
Speaker 3: gave him, a six C extu excuted sentence, ends up
Speaker 3: actually doing twenty six years for that horrible crime where
Speaker 3: a viciously murderer's wife and then the headitor. That's not right,
Speaker 3: but that was the law, and that was the most
Speaker 3: justice we were able to get for the family. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: I tell you I did even in the court I
Speaker 3: did get even in the courtroom with him a little bit.
Speaker 3: He didn't testify in the trial. Of course, probably it
Speaker 3: wouldn't have helped him if he had. But he was
Speaker 3: allowed to what's called allocute. I mean, you're not defenders,
Speaker 3: not under oath, but he can ask the judge for
Speaker 3: leniency and he can express his feelings about the case.
Speaker 3: Well he did that. First. He told the family, Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry for your loss. He said, I've
Speaker 3: shed my share tears too. No, I'm not guilted, but
Speaker 3: a huge miscarriage of justice here. He says, the prosecutor
Speaker 3: bought and paid for witnesses in this case, and I'm
Speaker 3: going to fight this forever to get this this conviction overturned.
Speaker 3: And he looked at me when he said that about
Speaker 3: buying and paying for witnesses and using perjure testimony. I
Speaker 3: wasn't allowed under the law to ask him any questions,
Speaker 3: but when he finished, I just raised my hand and
Speaker 3: the judge said, yes, mister Salis, I said, I want
Speaker 3: to ask him one question. And even though she looked
Speaker 3: at me skeptically. She said, okay, one. Well, I stood up,
Speaker 3: I pounded on the table, looking straight in the eyes,
Speaker 3: and I said, where's Cindy's head? Man? I talk about
Speaker 3: a pin drop moment that that courtroom was silent for
Speaker 3: a couple of minutes except for his two screechy little
Speaker 3: lawyers say, how we object? We obviously object, and judge
Speaker 3: sustained their objection, which means, you know, I was out
Speaker 3: of luck getting an answer. But I stood there and
Speaker 3: waited and it took a while, but the eventually said,
Speaker 3: you're asking the wrong man, sir. And by that time
Speaker 3: I don't think that anybody in the court room had
Speaker 3: any question about it Guild at that point, but I
Speaker 3: just I had to do that. I had to ask
Speaker 3: him that question. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, It's an incredible book, and you talk. You take
Speaker 8: us right into every aspect of the investigation, into Cindy
Speaker 8: and their friends' lives, into the trial itself and this
Speaker 8: successful prosecution that you were able to secure for this murderer.
Speaker 8: I want to thank you very much, Larry Seals and
Speaker 8: Margie Porter. I know this is a wild blue press release. Margie,
Speaker 8: can you tell us how people might find out more
Speaker 8: about this book as their website Facebook page.
Speaker 3: Tell us about that please.
Speaker 9: There is a website for Wild Blue Press, and I
Speaker 9: will tell you I have been reading a number of
Speaker 9: their books, and I'm very very impressed with the quality
Speaker 9: of their authors, so I'm quite honored to be working
Speaker 9: with them. It's also available to Amazon, and I understand
Speaker 9: also Barnes and Noble online. So if you are a
Speaker 9: lover of true crime or even just a lover of people,
Speaker 9: because it is a very inspiring story, that's where you'll
Speaker 9: find it. We're also on Facebook, yes I don't know.
Speaker 8: Thank you very much, Larry Seals and Margie Porter. It's
Speaker 8: been fascinating. Congratulations on Race to Justice. You have a
Speaker 8: very good evening. Thank you both very much.
Speaker 9: Thank you Dan, Thank you Dan.
Speaker 8: Good night, Aye bye.
Speaker 3: Margin