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<v Speaker 1>Barness to Well, it's the morning after July fourth, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>do you do anything fun for Independence Day? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I went. I've talked about this a few times. But

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<v Speaker 2>out here in Los Angeles at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery,

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<v Speaker 2>they show movies on the weekends and they're big events

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<v Speaker 2>where you you know, you show up with a blanket

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<v Speaker 2>and lawn chairs and a picnic basket and you just

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<v Speaker 2>stick your spot out on this lawn. And yesterday they

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<v Speaker 2>showed Jurassic Park and after that they had a fireworks

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<v Speaker 2>show and man, just the best, just I truly. It's

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<v Speaker 2>run by a company called Sinespia. So if people want

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<v Speaker 2>are in the area or they're visiting the area and

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<v Speaker 2>they want to check this out, google Sinespia and you

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<v Speaker 2>can find a schedule and where to get tickets. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is just become one of my absolute favorite things

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<v Speaker 2>to do out here. You know, to get a good spot,

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<v Speaker 2>it helps to get there early, right, so but that

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<v Speaker 2>can be part of the fun. Like there's a sidewalk

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<v Speaker 2>on one of the side streets and has this really

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<v Speaker 2>tall wall with ivy so you're blocked from the sun

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<v Speaker 2>and you just set up your chair with your friends

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just a whole line of people sitting out

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<v Speaker 2>there just playing games and snacking and enjoying some drinks

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<v Speaker 2>and just chilling out for maybe two hours while you wait,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they let you in and you get your spots,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's food trucks and they have like a

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<v Speaker 2>photo booth. But this one for Jurassic Park, it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>They had an animatronic dinosaur that moved. Wow, So like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to you know, this whole tableau and you

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<v Speaker 2>pose with it. And then they had like a dinosaur

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<v Speaker 2>that actually moved and opened its mouth and moved its arms.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pretty amazing. And then of course, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what a perfect movie for like a huge group of people,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's people families, people brought their kids and and

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<v Speaker 2>like we were noticing everybody was in great spirits, like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was really friendly. You know, it is a lawn

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<v Speaker 2>situation with a bunch of blankets and you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>got your little square, which means people are going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to cross over your area to get to their

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<v Speaker 2>areas and stuff that everybody was being so noticeably polite

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<v Speaker 2>last night, Like one guy accidentally kicked the blanket up

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<v Speaker 2>at one point, he's like, oh, oh, I'm sorry, like

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<v Speaker 2>came and like fixed our blanket, like that's fine, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and then people taking their shoes off before they were

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<v Speaker 2>walking on our blanket, like trust me, it's fine. It's

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground, you know. And just a really friendly

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<v Speaker 2>community like feel, which is not always easy to experience

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<v Speaker 2>in this city, you know. So it's an event I

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<v Speaker 2>really love. And also the Fourth of July for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about for you, and I know everyone

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<v Speaker 2>experiences it differently, but this used to be like my

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<v Speaker 2>second favorite holiday growing up. It was like Christmas. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got all the music and the lights and the

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<v Speaker 2>trees and family and it's a big sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the Fourth of July we used to in

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<v Speaker 2>my town. I grew up in Wheaton, Illinois, and they

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<v Speaker 2>would have a parade every year, and so I just

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<v Speaker 2>that was the tradition. Fourth of July. Family, We take

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<v Speaker 2>the lawn chairs, we go out and we watch this

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<v Speaker 2>parade and you know, they have fire trucks and parade

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<v Speaker 2>floats and at a couple of years I remember they

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<v Speaker 2>had like Bob Dole was there. Barack Obama walked in

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<v Speaker 2>it one year. Like it's for this small town. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of crazy the figures they've gotten to appear in

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<v Speaker 2>this parade. But even when I got older and my

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<v Speaker 2>family was not like, oh we don't we may not

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<v Speaker 2>go this year, I would still rally my friends. In

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<v Speaker 2>my early twenties, I was like, no, like Fourth of July,

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<v Speaker 2>we go to the parade, you know, And and then

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<v Speaker 2>I always go to the DuPage County Fairgrounds to go

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<v Speaker 2>watch the fireworks. And then as you get older, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people are traveling or they have plans with a people

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and it becomes a little less of a

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<v Speaker 2>big group event, which is always like oh bummer, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I used to think of this as like a

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<v Speaker 2>get together holiday. Yeah, and so yeah, I really enjoyed yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really special, like being there and watching a

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<v Speaker 2>great movie. And then it was amazing because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they advertised they were going to have fireworks. But as

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<v Speaker 2>the movie's ending and they're in the helicopter and Sam

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<v Speaker 2>Neil's watching the birds, you know, it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>gentle moment. And then it says, directed by Steven Spielberg

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<v Speaker 2>last night, it's that gentle moment. And I was waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for that credit but instead it was like boom, this

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<v Speaker 2>firework just went off and they didn't even play the

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<v Speaker 2>credits and then just do do douche like right in

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<v Speaker 2>your face. Wow, I mean they're happening right over us.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it was. It was magical. It was it

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<v Speaker 2>was really really fun. And also, you know, what can

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<v Speaker 2>we say about Jurassic Park at this point? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's I never get tired of it. It's amazing watching

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<v Speaker 2>it big again and still going, holy crap, it's thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years later and these effects are insane, you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the blend between the animatronics and the CGI.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, aside from like two or three scenes, which

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<v Speaker 2>is completely forgivable because this is like one of the

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<v Speaker 2>first times they employed that kind of thing. It's remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>It just totally holds up. So it was a blast.

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<v Speaker 2>I really feel like, oh, that felt like a special event,

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<v Speaker 2>and the fourth felt special again.

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<v Speaker 1>So at this point, how many times have you seen

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<v Speaker 1>Jurassic Park on a big screen?

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<v Speaker 2>A big screen? I know, I saw this is the

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<v Speaker 2>movie I've seen most in the theater. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>saw it eight times when it originally came out. Nice, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, you know, doesn't that also speak to the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that movies a twelve year old could get on

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<v Speaker 2>his bike and pay for a movie ticket and not

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<v Speaker 2>have it break his piggy bank. You know, see it times.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean now it'd be like, do I have twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two dollars you know to see this? But I remember

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<v Speaker 2>my brother and I saw it maybe five times or something,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when it went to the second run theaters,

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<v Speaker 2>which used to be a dollar fifty, I were like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh bullseye, Like, now we can watch it over and over,

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<v Speaker 2>so eight times. I know, I saw one of the

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<v Speaker 2>re releases.

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<v Speaker 1>What second run theater?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you go to the Wheaton Theater? The Wheaton Theater, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, it was just downtown Wheaton that had four screens.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember seeing the Rocketeer there. I mean all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. Oh I think, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I never attended that, but I think I know what

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about. It was like an old timey theater.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it looks old school. And actually that's where I

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<v Speaker 2>saw my.

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<v Speaker 1>Very first last Action hero style theater.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean not as big, but yes, with that vibe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's my mom took me to see Et there.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the first movie I ever saw in the theater.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Back to the Future there. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>was the third movie I ever saw, so a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of history of that place. But yeah, I'm just gonna guess.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to drag everybody through me doing the

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<v Speaker 2>exact math. Maybe ten or eleven times, probably eleven at

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<v Speaker 2>least eleven, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, that is kind of crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it. Yeah yeah, so well you well, how about you?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think with regard to like, how many

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<v Speaker 1>times park? Yeah, oh gosh, not as many as you.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it twice in its first run, actually twice

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<v Speaker 1>during its initial release, but in second run, okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>went to the it was the I think it's called

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<v Speaker 1>Westgate right off of fifty three in North Avenue.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean, I know fifty three. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the theater, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's what I think. That's what is

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<v Speaker 1>called any Northgate that was it was called Northgate, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I saw it, you know, for the twentieth

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<v Speaker 1>re release in twenty thirteen. Yeah, so four times total

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<v Speaker 1>because I saw the symphony to the performance. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so four times total.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I remember the re release that was three D, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>If I remember right, It was a good conversion. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I remember I saw it the Hollywood Bowl

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<v Speaker 2>once where they did the score, so yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>last night, so yeah, Well it's I think.

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<v Speaker 1>To your point about why that movie retains its mystique,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because it has been this multi generational touchdown. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about thirty three years now since it came out,

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<v Speaker 1>and it truly is this thing that's just passed from

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<v Speaker 1>from one one cadre to the next, and everybody shares it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know I talked about the three D re release,

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<v Speaker 1>Well I took comes out of that. He was six, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that that's going to be an experience

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<v Speaker 1>as with his kids. You know, Yeah, that's just etched in,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I while we're talking about sort of shared experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because normally on July fourth, it had been

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<v Speaker 1>our routine that we watched Independence Day together, and yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>it just didn't happen. And and you know, I'm and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know what, we didn't we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>watch it. And I was like, well, I think Family

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<v Speaker 1>Movie Night might be over, Like really like everybody watching

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<v Speaker 1>together because everybody's just off doing their own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was like, I think I think it's done,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it's a little it's a little sad

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<v Speaker 1>because you're like, no, this is just going to be

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<v Speaker 1>what we do. But I'm like, we had like a

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<v Speaker 1>ten year run, yeah, ten to twelve years whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>now it's like I watch this with whoever's here kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. You know. Anyway, that made me a little sad.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask because I can imagine how

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<v Speaker 2>that makes you feel an omina, I imagine. But for

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<v Speaker 2>the younger kids, do they have that feeling like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why aren't the older ones here like you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do they just at this point they're just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of used to it, you know. Yeah, yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>still like, I you know, I went through the Dark

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<v Speaker 1>Knight trilogy a couple of weeks ago with with my

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<v Speaker 1>younger ones, and I'm kind of like, Okay, well it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's this group. Now they get to have these experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then the baby he just turned two,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to have his own experiences, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but like this literally because we did our Independence Day

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<v Speaker 1>resurgence commentary track, It was not fun watching that movie

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<v Speaker 1>for you and I, you know, and so literally I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well I I want to watch Independence Day,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So this morning I woke up, I just put

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<v Speaker 1>it on. I'm like, no, I need a chaser. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, like too of my kids ended

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<v Speaker 1>up watching it with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's funny. My daughter who isn't very familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>So it's nice to have those touchstones, but you realize

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I can understand that, you know. Speaking of that,

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<v Speaker 2>so my friend yesterday who loves movies, but she's not

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, man, how many times do you

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<v Speaker 2>of entertainment, you know, news, and you know, you and

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<v Speaker 2>two years ago with Scarlett Johansson and you know, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So then I was like, I can't wait to talk

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<v Speaker 2>you if you haven't sort of aged with it throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the years. Does it seem stark? You know, the effects,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe how good those dinosaurs still look so right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that just from what you're describing, you

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<v Speaker 1>people who are super into a band. Yeah, and you

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<v Speaker 1>might be like, oh, I like that one song they did,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're weird. Like we're the ones who are like

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<v Speaker 1>next up Balbo Station and we know what movie that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know we've got our passions. They got theirs.

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<v Speaker 2>they can share theirs and find the things that will

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<v Speaker 1>Well, well, I know one of your passions is Terminator

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<v Speaker 1>to Judgment Day, which is as of this weekend, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five years old. It can run for president.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow, yeah, yeah. It's just if you were to

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<v Speaker 2>just if I wasn't thinking about years and you just said, quick,

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<v Speaker 2>how old do you think that movie is, I wouldn't know,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just alwaysless it's eight. Well, yeah, it's always

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<v Speaker 2>been there for me. It's never been something that I've

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<v Speaker 2>skipped for a couple of years and come back to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've just always been there. And yeah, it looks still ageless. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so it's you know, some movies you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that looks like nineteen eighty seven, you know, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was thinking about it because it was on Pluto,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I stopped on it as I wont to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, look, there's a lot of movies

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<v Speaker 2>I love, but why is why does this movie just

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<v Speaker 2>resonate so deeply with me?

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<v Speaker 1>Like more very funny because sorry, I don't mean no please,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean I was seeing some of the posts

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<v Speaker 1>back to being eleven and being obsessed with it and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the same thing where I'm like, what didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like in the abstract? That's so strange that you still

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<v Speaker 1>feel that way certainly that but even like the passion

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<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, sure for.

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<v Speaker 1>This R rated sequel. You know it's but it just

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<v Speaker 1>plugged in at the exact moment and then, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>of the same. Like how many times have I seen

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<v Speaker 1>T two since nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Ninety one, I don't even know, you know, Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still magical, it's still has has so much to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's weird. How like I when I think back,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted the trading cars just everything. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the trading cars, I had those two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anyway, So I didn't mean to interrupt you, No,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean basically you you we share the same sort

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<v Speaker 2>is strange. I mean, yes, like you said, it's this

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<v Speaker 2>R rated Arnold Swarzenegger action movie, but somehow it transcended that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And I even saw a comic as recently as this

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<v Speaker 2>that it's like, well, well boy, you're six. Time to

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<v Speaker 2>show your terminator too, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is that's basically what happened with my son, you know, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it it. It kind of just isn't that like

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<v Speaker 2>RoboCop or whatever. It's like, no, somehow, I yes, this

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<v Speaker 2>is R rated and it has some intense moments and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but it just it feels bigger than that, maybe because

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<v Speaker 2>like what you said, I mean, it is a thoughtful story,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has these great characters, and it has this

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<v Speaker 2>amazing action that just somehow remains timeless, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>so well. And I was trying to think, like, again,

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<v Speaker 2>there are movies that I love that are as old

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<v Speaker 2>and I still like to rewatch it, But why do

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<v Speaker 2>I feel so passionately about this one? And I realized

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<v Speaker 2>it's in that rare space for me where somehow, in

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<v Speaker 2>my mid forties, it still feels as magical as it

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<v Speaker 2>did to me when I was eleven, and not every

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<v Speaker 2>movie can sustain that. This movie still feels as powerfully

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<v Speaker 2>magical to me now, and not many movies feel that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't think about there's a boom operator standing

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<v Speaker 2>off camera like I might with some other movies. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a movie I can still lose myself in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars, this et Indiana Jones, Terminator too like it.

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<v Speaker 2>If I stop and think about it, I might think

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<v Speaker 2>about nuts and bolts. But otherwise, unlike some other movies,

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<v Speaker 2>I can still be eleven again and watch it like

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<v Speaker 2>an eleven year old, and that's rare.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and if I can, if I can paint a contrast,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, earlier this year we did our

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<v Speaker 1>commentary for The Mummy Returns, and that's ten years after

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<v Speaker 1>T two, right, And yet I would say, even though

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<v Speaker 1>The Mummy Returns is set in the thirties, it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a two thousand and one movie. Yeah, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that's good or bad.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it just does just.

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<v Speaker 1>As a as a quantitative takeaway, you know, based on

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<v Speaker 1>it truly is timeless, despite the fact that it's very

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can tell it's it's set in the nineties. Sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet yeah, you know, I think I think I wonder, well,

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<v Speaker 1>two parts. I wonder if it is a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>like like with us when we watched Spielberg well, where

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<v Speaker 1>he just imprinted on us, yes, right, and James Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>in much the same way, where we're like, well, this

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<v Speaker 2>This is what movies are supposed to look.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, exactly. Yeah, So I want there is probably a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of that, but I mean, you look, it's

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five years later. People still watch Terminator two. You

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<v Speaker 1>kids still watch Terminator two, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting to me looking at Jurassic Park last night,

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<v Speaker 2>which I know recently it was a new scan was

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<v Speaker 2>done four K and I'm almost certain that's what they

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<v Speaker 2>showed last night, and I was like, this movie looks stunning.

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<v Speaker 2>Just you know, even movies that have been restored in

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<v Speaker 2>whatever from certain years, maybe seventy eight or eighty four

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<v Speaker 2>or something, they still kind of look like eighty four

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<v Speaker 2>and they still look like but like Jurassic Park last

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<v Speaker 2>night looked like it could have been made this year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is incredible. And I know there's some you know,

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<v Speaker 2>digital Wizardry probably at play helping that. But and Terminator too,

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<v Speaker 2>to me, still looks yeah, just as sharp and crisp

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<v Speaker 1>the Spielberg ones are the most timeless looking, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But yeah, so I do think, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it goes to the fact that that Spielberg

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<v Speaker 1>and Cameron are sort of our movie mom and dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I have to consider that too for sure. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like I don't feel like I'm speaking for the

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<v Speaker 2>world right now, but speaking for myself and me, you know, yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>So the takeaway it's been thirty five years, but hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't seen Teeth two, you got a good

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, There you go, well one movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this was a conversation worth having, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>light of our last episode where we talked about Supergirl.

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<v Speaker 1>This one may not end up being timeless. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wait and see what Supergirl not doing too

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<v Speaker 1>great at the box office. I was just looking at

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Mendelssohn does his box office analysis, and he says

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<v Speaker 1>that for its second weekend we're looking at eight point

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<v Speaker 1>eight million domestic. Yeah, so that's a drop of seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six percent and about fifty seven point six million after

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<v Speaker 1>ten days. This is domestic.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So that's just to put that in perspective. That's

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<v Speaker 1>after ten days. That's what Superman last year earned in

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<v Speaker 1>its opening day, right, right, right. So naturally, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you and I both were like, well, the post mortems

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be coming fast and furious. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we were like kind of waiting for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they did that. You know, we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>this where in this day and age, when something like

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<v Speaker 2>this happens, just give it a week or so and

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<v Speaker 2>then there'll be this tell all Hollywood Reporter article, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>where people are chiming in and giving what they know

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<v Speaker 2>about what happened behind the scenes, just trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what went wrong. Did you read this article?

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<v Speaker 1>I did. Yeah, So this is a furious round of

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<v Speaker 1>manic finger pointing. Yeah, a whole bunch of anonymous sources

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<v Speaker 1>talking to the Hollywood Reporter. Mm hmm, Well, what's your

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<v Speaker 1>take on this? A broad overview of what the piece

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<v Speaker 1>is saying, and then let's see if we can parse

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<v Speaker 1>some of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it feels before we get into the nitty

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<v Speaker 2>gritty of it, it feels about right. It just sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like there was a lot of opinions, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different cuts, you know, having multiple test screenings to try

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<v Speaker 2>to get numbers up. And that feels about right to me,

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<v Speaker 2>because my problem with the movie was you had great

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<v Speaker 2>source material, right, so it just to me it was

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<v Speaker 2>a no brainer, like you had the story, but for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason they messed with it, you know, Like the

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<v Speaker 2>graphic novel, the character Ruthie is a major character, and

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<v Speaker 2>she has a very specific personality. She's very plucky but

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<v Speaker 2>also out of her depth and she has a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of growing to do and a lot of hate in

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<v Speaker 2>her heart, and it's really about her and Supergirl is

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of mentor figure that helps her grow into

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the person who can let hate out

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<v Speaker 2>of their hearts. It was a really powerful story and

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<v Speaker 2>said a lot of interesting things about Supergirl and without

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have to get into spoilers, but it has

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<v Speaker 2>an ending that I really liked, and the movie changed

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<v Speaker 2>that ending and I didn't think that ending made any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're like, how does that happen? Like, why does

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<v Speaker 2>it feel so confused with itself. Why does it not

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<v Speaker 2>contain things that I know worked in this story as

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<v Speaker 2>it originated. And then it just felt like, well, it

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<v Speaker 2>must have been meddling, like tinkering. Well maybe we could

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<v Speaker 2>tweak this, maybe if we tried this instead, And then

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<v Speaker 2>it just becomes this sort of imperfect object, right that

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<v Speaker 2>just has band aids all over it. And that seems like,

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<v Speaker 2>according to this article, basically what happened, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently as soon as the movie was cut together, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a director's cut from Craig Gillespie, they were like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this doesn't work right, so we need to figure this out.

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<v Speaker 2>And after some test screenings, after some tinkering, it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of became Gillespie versus the studio, right to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where they had competing cuts. The studio had their cut

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<v Speaker 2>of the movie they wanted to test, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>Gillespie's version that they wanted to test. Hey, this is

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