Speaker 1: Barness to Well, it's the morning after July fourth, Yes,
Speaker 1: do you do anything fun for Independence Day? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I went. I've talked about this a few times. But
Speaker 2: out here in Los Angeles at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery,
Speaker 2: they show movies on the weekends and they're big events
Speaker 2: where you you know, you show up with a blanket
Speaker 2: and lawn chairs and a picnic basket and you just
Speaker 2: stick your spot out on this lawn. And yesterday they
Speaker 2: showed Jurassic Park and after that they had a fireworks
Speaker 2: show and man, just the best, just I truly. It's
Speaker 2: run by a company called Sinespia. So if people want
Speaker 2: are in the area or they're visiting the area and
Speaker 2: they want to check this out, google Sinespia and you
Speaker 2: can find a schedule and where to get tickets. But
Speaker 2: this is just become one of my absolute favorite things
Speaker 2: to do out here. You know, to get a good spot,
Speaker 2: it helps to get there early, right, so but that
Speaker 2: can be part of the fun. Like there's a sidewalk
Speaker 2: on one of the side streets and has this really
Speaker 2: tall wall with ivy so you're blocked from the sun
Speaker 2: and you just set up your chair with your friends
Speaker 2: and it's just a whole line of people sitting out
Speaker 2: there just playing games and snacking and enjoying some drinks
Speaker 2: and just chilling out for maybe two hours while you wait,
Speaker 2: and then they let you in and you get your spots,
Speaker 2: and then there's food trucks and they have like a
Speaker 2: photo booth. But this one for Jurassic Park, it was amazing.
Speaker 2: They had an animatronic dinosaur that moved. Wow, So like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you got to you know, this whole tableau and you
Speaker 2: pose with it. And then they had like a dinosaur
Speaker 2: that actually moved and opened its mouth and moved its arms.
Speaker 2: It was pretty amazing. And then of course, I mean,
Speaker 2: what a perfect movie for like a huge group of people,
Speaker 2: and there's people families, people brought their kids and and
Speaker 2: like we were noticing everybody was in great spirits, like
Speaker 2: everybody was really friendly. You know, it is a lawn
Speaker 2: situation with a bunch of blankets and you know, you
Speaker 2: got your little square, which means people are going to
Speaker 2: have to cross over your area to get to their
Speaker 2: areas and stuff that everybody was being so noticeably polite
Speaker 2: last night, Like one guy accidentally kicked the blanket up
Speaker 2: at one point, he's like, oh, oh, I'm sorry, like
Speaker 2: came and like fixed our blanket, like that's fine, you know,
Speaker 2: and then people taking their shoes off before they were
Speaker 2: walking on our blanket, like trust me, it's fine. It's
Speaker 2: on the ground, you know. And just a really friendly
Speaker 2: community like feel, which is not always easy to experience
Speaker 2: in this city, you know. So it's an event I
Speaker 2: really love. And also the Fourth of July for me,
Speaker 2: I don't know about for you, and I know everyone
Speaker 2: experiences it differently, but this used to be like my
Speaker 2: second favorite holiday growing up. It was like Christmas. You know,
Speaker 2: You've got all the music and the lights and the
Speaker 2: trees and family and it's a big sort of thing.
Speaker 2: But then the Fourth of July we used to in
Speaker 2: my town. I grew up in Wheaton, Illinois, and they
Speaker 2: would have a parade every year, and so I just
Speaker 2: that was the tradition. Fourth of July. Family, We take
Speaker 2: the lawn chairs, we go out and we watch this
Speaker 2: parade and you know, they have fire trucks and parade
Speaker 2: floats and at a couple of years I remember they
Speaker 2: had like Bob Dole was there. Barack Obama walked in
Speaker 2: it one year. Like it's for this small town. It's
Speaker 2: kind of crazy the figures they've gotten to appear in
Speaker 2: this parade. But even when I got older and my
Speaker 2: family was not like, oh we don't we may not
Speaker 2: go this year, I would still rally my friends. In
Speaker 2: my early twenties, I was like, no, like Fourth of July,
Speaker 2: we go to the parade, you know, And and then
Speaker 2: I always go to the DuPage County Fairgrounds to go
Speaker 2: watch the fireworks. And then as you get older, you know,
Speaker 2: people are traveling or they have plans with a people
Speaker 2: or whatever, and it becomes a little less of a
Speaker 2: big group event, which is always like oh bummer, you know,
Speaker 2: like I used to think of this as like a
Speaker 2: get together holiday. Yeah, and so yeah, I really enjoyed yesterday.
Speaker 2: It was really special, like being there and watching a
Speaker 2: great movie. And then it was amazing because you know,
Speaker 2: they advertised they were going to have fireworks. But as
Speaker 2: the movie's ending and they're in the helicopter and Sam
Speaker 2: Neil's watching the birds, you know, it's kind of a
Speaker 2: gentle moment. And then it says, directed by Steven Spielberg
Speaker 2: last night, it's that gentle moment. And I was waiting
Speaker 2: for that credit but instead it was like boom, this
Speaker 2: firework just went off and they didn't even play the
Speaker 2: credits and then just do do douche like right in
Speaker 2: your face. Wow, I mean they're happening right over us.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was. It was magical. It was it
Speaker 2: was really really fun. And also, you know, what can
Speaker 2: we say about Jurassic Park at this point? I mean,
Speaker 2: it's I never get tired of it. It's amazing watching
Speaker 2: it big again and still going, holy crap, it's thirty
Speaker 2: years later and these effects are insane, you know. So
Speaker 2: I mean the blend between the animatronics and the CGI.
Speaker 2: I mean, aside from like two or three scenes, which
Speaker 2: is completely forgivable because this is like one of the
Speaker 2: first times they employed that kind of thing. It's remarkable.
Speaker 2: It just totally holds up. So it was a blast.
Speaker 2: I really feel like, oh, that felt like a special event,
Speaker 2: and the fourth felt special again.
Speaker 1: So at this point, how many times have you seen
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park on a big screen?
Speaker 2: A big screen? I know, I saw this is the
Speaker 2: movie I've seen most in the theater. I think I
Speaker 2: saw it eight times when it originally came out. Nice, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, doesn't that also speak to the
Speaker 2: fact that movies a twelve year old could get on
Speaker 2: his bike and pay for a movie ticket and not
Speaker 2: have it break his piggy bank. You know, see it times.
Speaker 2: I mean now it'd be like, do I have twenty
Speaker 2: two dollars you know to see this? But I remember
Speaker 2: my brother and I saw it maybe five times or something,
Speaker 2: and then when it went to the second run theaters,
Speaker 2: which used to be a dollar fifty, I were like,
Speaker 2: oh bullseye, Like, now we can watch it over and over,
Speaker 2: so eight times. I know, I saw one of the
Speaker 2: re releases.
Speaker 1: What second run theater?
Speaker 2: Did you go to the Wheaton Theater? The Wheaton Theater, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it was just downtown Wheaton that had four screens.
Speaker 2: I remember seeing the Rocketeer there. I mean all sorts
Speaker 2: of stuff. Oh I think, I know.
Speaker 1: I never attended that, but I think I know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. It was like an old timey theater.
Speaker 2: Yes, it looks old school. And actually that's where I
Speaker 2: saw my.
Speaker 1: Very first last Action hero style theater.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not as big, but yes, with that vibe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's my mom took me to see Et there.
Speaker 2: That was the first movie I ever saw in the theater.
Speaker 2: I saw Back to the Future there. I think that
Speaker 2: was the third movie I ever saw, so a lot
Speaker 2: of history of that place. But yeah, I'm just gonna guess.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to drag everybody through me doing the
Speaker 2: exact math. Maybe ten or eleven times, probably eleven at
Speaker 2: least eleven, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, that is kind of crazy,
Speaker 2: isn't it. Yeah yeah, so well you well, how about you?
Speaker 1: What do you think with regard to like, how many
Speaker 1: times park? Yeah, oh gosh, not as many as you.
Speaker 1: I saw it twice in its first run, actually twice
Speaker 1: during its initial release, but in second run, okay, I
Speaker 1: went to the it was the I think it's called
Speaker 1: Westgate right off of fifty three in North Avenue.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, I know fifty three. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: I remember the theater, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what I think. That's what is
Speaker 1: called any Northgate that was it was called Northgate, Okay.
Speaker 1: And then I saw it, you know, for the twentieth
Speaker 1: re release in twenty thirteen. Yeah, so four times total
Speaker 1: because I saw the symphony to the performance. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so four times total.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember the re release that was three D, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: which was pretty good.
Speaker 1: If I remember right, It was a good conversion. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I remember I saw it the Hollywood Bowl
Speaker 2: once where they did the score, so yeah, and then
Speaker 2: last night, so yeah, Well it's I think.
Speaker 1: To your point about why that movie retains its mystique,
Speaker 1: it's because it has been this multi generational touchdown. Right,
Speaker 1: We're talking about thirty three years now since it came out,
Speaker 1: and it truly is this thing that's just passed from
Speaker 1: from one one cadre to the next, and everybody shares it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know I talked about the three D re release,
Speaker 1: Well I took comes out of that. He was six, right,
Speaker 1: and I know that that's going to be an experience
Speaker 1: as with his kids. You know, Yeah, that's just etched in,
Speaker 1: you know. I while we're talking about sort of shared experiences.
Speaker 1: It's funny because normally on July fourth, it had been
Speaker 1: our routine that we watched Independence Day together, and yesterday
Speaker 1: it just didn't happen. And and you know, I'm and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, we didn't we didn't
Speaker 1: watch it. And I was like, well, I think Family
Speaker 1: Movie Night might be over, Like really like everybody watching
Speaker 1: together because everybody's just off doing their own thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I think I think it's done,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's a little it's a little sad
Speaker 1: because you're like, no, this is just going to be
Speaker 1: what we do. But I'm like, we had like a
Speaker 1: ten year run, yeah, ten to twelve years whatever, and
Speaker 1: now it's like I watch this with whoever's here kind
Speaker 1: of thing. You know. Anyway, that made me a little sad.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask because I can imagine how
Speaker 2: that makes you feel an omina, I imagine. But for
Speaker 2: the younger kids, do they have that feeling like, well,
Speaker 2: why aren't the older ones here like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Or do they just at this point they're just kind
Speaker 1: of used to it, you know. Yeah, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: still like, I you know, I went through the Dark
Speaker 1: Knight trilogy a couple of weeks ago with with my
Speaker 1: younger ones, and I'm kind of like, Okay, well it's
Speaker 1: it's this group. Now they get to have these experiences,
Speaker 1: you know, and then the baby he just turned two,
Speaker 1: he's going to have his own experiences, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like this literally because we did our Independence Day
Speaker 1: resurgence commentary track, It was not fun watching that movie
Speaker 1: for you and I, you know, and so literally I
Speaker 1: was like, well I I want to watch Independence Day,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this morning I woke up, I just put
Speaker 1: it on. I'm like, no, I need a chaser. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then you know, like too of my kids ended
Speaker 1: up watching it with me.
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. My daughter who isn't very familiar with
Speaker 1: but my oldest he's he always watches it. But he's like,
Speaker 1: oh I got to watch an a Penes State. You know.
Speaker 1: So it's nice to have those touchstones, but you realize
Speaker 1: is that they're less and less you know, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like Home Alone for example. Right,
Speaker 1: it's for me. The fun is this is the thing
Speaker 1: that we do every year and we get to re
Speaker 1: experience it. And some of the kids are like, well,
Speaker 1: I've seen it already, don't feel like watching it again.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's just you have different
Speaker 1: relationships with film in that way, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can understand that, you know. Speaking of that,
Speaker 2: so my friend yesterday who loves movies, but she's not
Speaker 2: as immersed in them as we are. So I said,
Speaker 2: because we were like, oh, this is the perfect event
Speaker 2: for the fourth of July. We go see Jurassic Park
Speaker 2: and I was like, man, how many times do you
Speaker 2: think you've seen this movie? And she's like, maybe not
Speaker 2: since the nineties, And I was like what really, She's like,
Speaker 2: maybe not since the theater. I was like, you're wow,
Speaker 2: since you were like when you were like thirteen, you know.
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, fascinating. And then I said,
Speaker 2: can you believe there's seven of them? And she's like what, wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, that's fat. You know. I
Speaker 2: sort of take for granted that a lot of people
Speaker 2: in my life are sort of following the same sorts
Speaker 2: of entertainment, you know, news, and you know, you and
Speaker 2: I talking about all this stuff. But I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: well there's this one and then this one, and this
Speaker 2: one's not so good, but this one's like that's not
Speaker 2: so bad, and you know, like, yeah, there's one out
Speaker 2: two years ago with Scarlett Johansson and you know, right.
Speaker 2: So then I was like, I can't wait to talk
Speaker 2: about this with you when it's over. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: you if you haven't sort of aged with it throughout
Speaker 2: the years. Does it seem stark? You know, the effects,
Speaker 2: But that was the main thing she said. She's like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe how good those dinosaurs still look so right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that just from what you're describing, you
Speaker 1: realize like it's I mean, this is our lane. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: and you know, to me, it's no different than you know,
Speaker 1: people who are super into a band. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: might be like, oh, I like that one song they did,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, twenty years ago, right, and they'll
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, there's been like four albums since then.
Speaker 1: You're like, what totally Like, I mean, it's all it's
Speaker 1: a good gut shake, be like, oh yeah, this is
Speaker 1: like we're weird. Like we're the ones who are like
Speaker 1: next up Balbo Station and we know what movie that is.
Speaker 1: Let's admit that's weird, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know we've got our passions. They got theirs.
Speaker 2: I mean that's the nice thing is when we're interested
Speaker 2: in other people's passions, we can we can share ours,
Speaker 2: they can share theirs and find the things that will
Speaker 2: connect with we would might not have found otherwise.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I know one of your passions is Terminator
Speaker 1: to Judgment Day, which is as of this weekend, thirty
Speaker 1: five years old. It can run for president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yeah, yeah. It's just if you were to
Speaker 2: just if I wasn't thinking about years and you just said, quick,
Speaker 2: how old do you think that movie is, I wouldn't know,
Speaker 2: Like it's just alwaysless it's eight. Well, yeah, it's always
Speaker 2: been there for me. It's never been something that I've
Speaker 2: skipped for a couple of years and come back to it.
Speaker 2: I've just always been there. And yeah, it looks still ageless. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's so it's you know, some movies you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: that looks like nineteen eighty seven, you know, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about it because it was on Pluto,
Speaker 2: and so I stopped on it as I wont to do,
Speaker 2: and I was like, look, there's a lot of movies
Speaker 2: I love, but why is why does this movie just
Speaker 2: resonate so deeply with me?
Speaker 1: Like more very funny because sorry, I don't mean no please,
Speaker 1: but I mean I was seeing some of the posts
Speaker 1: about it being you know, I saw Robert Patrick put
Speaker 1: a little video about it, and it just took me
Speaker 1: back to being eleven and being obsessed with it and
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing where I'm like, what didn't
Speaker 1: like in the abstract? That's so strange that you still
Speaker 1: feel that way certainly that but even like the passion
Speaker 1: I had for it back then.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, sure for.
Speaker 1: This R rated sequel. You know it's but it just
Speaker 1: plugged in at the exact moment and then, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's I mean, I mean again, it's kind
Speaker 1: of the same. Like how many times have I seen
Speaker 1: T two since nineteen.
Speaker 2: Ninety one, I don't even know, you know, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: It's still magical, it's still has has so much to say,
Speaker 1: but it's weird. How like I when I think back,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want, you know, the Kenner had the
Speaker 1: action figured toy line, and I wanted all of those,
Speaker 1: and I wanted the trading cars just everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was for me at least comparable to Batmania in
Speaker 1: eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the trading cars, I had those two.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, So I didn't mean to interrupt you, No,
Speaker 1: not at all.
Speaker 2: I mean basically you you we share the same sort
Speaker 2: of feelings and thoughts and memories about it because it
Speaker 2: is strange. I mean, yes, like you said, it's this
Speaker 2: R rated Arnold Swarzenegger action movie, but somehow it transcended that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I even saw a comic as recently as this
Speaker 2: week where it was sort of joking about the fact
Speaker 2: that it's like, well, well boy, you're six. Time to
Speaker 2: show your terminator too, like.
Speaker 1: Which is that's basically what happened with my son, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's it it. It kind of just isn't that like
Speaker 2: RoboCop or whatever. It's like, no, somehow, I yes, this
Speaker 2: is R rated and it has some intense moments and stuff,
Speaker 2: but it just it feels bigger than that, maybe because
Speaker 2: like what you said, I mean, it is a thoughtful story,
Speaker 2: and it has these great characters, and it has this
Speaker 2: amazing action that just somehow remains timeless, you know, and
Speaker 2: so well. And I was trying to think, like, again,
Speaker 2: there are movies that I love that are as old
Speaker 2: and I still like to rewatch it, But why do
Speaker 2: I feel so passionately about this one? And I realized
Speaker 2: it's in that rare space for me where somehow, in
Speaker 2: my mid forties, it still feels as magical as it
Speaker 2: did to me when I was eleven, and not every
Speaker 2: movie can sustain that. This movie still feels as powerfully
Speaker 2: magical to me now, and not many movies feel that way.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think about there's a boom operator standing
Speaker 2: off camera like I might with some other movies. This
Speaker 2: is a movie I can still lose myself in, you know,
Speaker 2: Star Wars, this et Indiana Jones, Terminator too like it.
Speaker 2: If I stop and think about it, I might think
Speaker 2: about nuts and bolts. But otherwise, unlike some other movies,
Speaker 2: I can still be eleven again and watch it like
Speaker 2: an eleven year old, and that's rare.
Speaker 1: Well, and if I can, if I can paint a contrast,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, earlier this year we did our
Speaker 1: commentary for The Mummy Returns, and that's ten years after
Speaker 1: T two, right, And yet I would say, even though
Speaker 1: The Mummy Returns is set in the thirties, it looks
Speaker 1: like a two thousand and one movie. Yeah, right, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's good or bad.
Speaker 2: No, it just does just.
Speaker 1: As a as a quantitative takeaway, you know, based on
Speaker 1: the effects and everything, You're like, this is two thousand
Speaker 1: and one. Whereas to your point, like T two, I mean,
Speaker 1: it truly is timeless, despite the fact that it's very
Speaker 1: I mean, you can tell it's it's set in the nineties. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: and yet yeah, you know, I think I think I wonder, well,
Speaker 1: two parts. I wonder if it is a little bit
Speaker 1: like like with us when we watched Spielberg well, where
Speaker 1: he just imprinted on us, yes, right, and James Cameron
Speaker 1: in much the same way, where we're like, well, this
Speaker 1: is how you make movies.
Speaker 2: This is what movies are supposed to look.
Speaker 1: Like, exactly. Yeah, So I want there is probably a
Speaker 1: little bit of that, but I mean, you look, it's
Speaker 1: thirty five years later. People still watch Terminator two. You
Speaker 1: kids still watch Terminator two, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting to me looking at Jurassic Park last night,
Speaker 2: which I know recently it was a new scan was
Speaker 2: done four K and I'm almost certain that's what they
Speaker 2: showed last night, and I was like, this movie looks stunning.
Speaker 2: Just you know, even movies that have been restored in
Speaker 2: whatever from certain years, maybe seventy eight or eighty four
Speaker 2: or something, they still kind of look like eighty four
Speaker 2: and they still look like but like Jurassic Park last
Speaker 2: night looked like it could have been made this year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is incredible. And I know there's some you know,
Speaker 2: digital Wizardry probably at play helping that. But and Terminator too,
Speaker 2: to me, still looks yeah, just as sharp and crisp
Speaker 2: and fresh as ever.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, honestly, I would say the first two Jurassics,
Speaker 1: the Spielberg ones are the most timeless looking, I think,
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, so I do think, you know.
Speaker 1: I think it goes to the fact that that Spielberg
Speaker 1: and Cameron are sort of our movie mom and dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have to consider that too for sure. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd like I don't feel like I'm speaking for the
Speaker 2: world right now, but speaking for myself and me, you know, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: So the takeaway it's been thirty five years, but hey,
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen Teeth two, you got a good
Speaker 1: movie waiting for you.
Speaker 2: There you go, There you go, well one movie.
Speaker 1: I thought this was a conversation worth having, especially in
Speaker 1: light of our last episode where we talked about Supergirl.
Speaker 1: This one may not end up being timeless. I don't know,
Speaker 1: kind of wait and see what Supergirl not doing too
Speaker 1: great at the box office. I was just looking at
Speaker 1: Scott Mendelssohn does his box office analysis, and he says
Speaker 1: that for its second weekend we're looking at eight point
Speaker 1: eight million domestic. Yeah, so that's a drop of seventy
Speaker 1: six percent and about fifty seven point six million after
Speaker 1: ten days. This is domestic.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow. So that's just to put that in perspective. That's
Speaker 1: after ten days. That's what Superman last year earned in
Speaker 1: its opening day, right, right, right. So naturally, I think
Speaker 1: you and I both were like, well, the post mortems
Speaker 1: are going to be coming fast and furious. I think
Speaker 1: we were like kind of waiting for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they did that. You know, we've talked about
Speaker 2: this where in this day and age, when something like
Speaker 2: this happens, just give it a week or so and
Speaker 2: then there'll be this tell all Hollywood Reporter article, you know,
Speaker 2: where people are chiming in and giving what they know
Speaker 2: about what happened behind the scenes, just trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what went wrong. Did you read this article?
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, So this is a furious round of
Speaker 1: manic finger pointing. Yeah, a whole bunch of anonymous sources
Speaker 1: talking to the Hollywood Reporter. Mm hmm, Well, what's your
Speaker 1: take on this? A broad overview of what the piece
Speaker 1: is saying, and then let's see if we can parse
Speaker 1: some of it.
Speaker 2: You know, it feels before we get into the nitty
Speaker 2: gritty of it, it feels about right. It just sounds
Speaker 2: like there was a lot of opinions, a lot of
Speaker 2: different cuts, you know, having multiple test screenings to try
Speaker 2: to get numbers up. And that feels about right to me,
Speaker 2: because my problem with the movie was you had great
Speaker 2: source material, right, so it just to me it was
Speaker 2: a no brainer, like you had the story, but for
Speaker 2: some reason they messed with it, you know, Like the
Speaker 2: graphic novel, the character Ruthie is a major character, and
Speaker 2: she has a very specific personality. She's very plucky but
Speaker 2: also out of her depth and she has a lot
Speaker 2: of growing to do and a lot of hate in
Speaker 2: her heart, and it's really about her and Supergirl is
Speaker 2: this sort of mentor figure that helps her grow into
Speaker 2: the you know, the person who can let hate out
Speaker 2: of their hearts. It was a really powerful story and
Speaker 2: said a lot of interesting things about Supergirl and without
Speaker 2: We don't have to get into spoilers, but it has
Speaker 2: an ending that I really liked, and the movie changed
Speaker 2: that ending and I didn't think that ending made any sense.
Speaker 2: So you're like, how does that happen? Like, why does
Speaker 2: it feel so confused with itself. Why does it not
Speaker 2: contain things that I know worked in this story as
Speaker 2: it originated. And then it just felt like, well, it
Speaker 2: must have been meddling, like tinkering. Well maybe we could
Speaker 2: tweak this, maybe if we tried this instead, And then
Speaker 2: it just becomes this sort of imperfect object, right that
Speaker 2: just has band aids all over it. And that seems like,
Speaker 2: according to this article, basically what happened, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: apparently as soon as the movie was cut together, you know,
Speaker 2: a director's cut from Craig Gillespie, they were like, Okay,
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