Speaker 1: Maybe a lot of this stuff is really hard to
Speaker 1: discover because there isn't any evidence left of it. Right,
Speaker 1: let's say that humanity just up and left right now,
Speaker 1: just disappeared. How long until everything just withers away, until
Speaker 1: you can't find a trace of any civilization was ever
Speaker 1: here in the first place. I mean, you can look
Speaker 1: at some places like Hiroshima and you can see that
Speaker 1: it doesn't take that long. And even if there was
Speaker 1: something left behind after thousands of years, who's to say
Speaker 1: a future of human race would even be able to
Speaker 1: understand what we were doing in our technology. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you think that someone in two hundred years from
Speaker 1: now is going to know what a floppy disk is? Alexander?
Speaker 1: People are now on this planet that don't know what
Speaker 1: a floppy disk is, and that was less than twenty
Speaker 1: years ago. So why are we pretending that we know
Speaker 1: all of these civilizations tools and the processes of these
Speaker 1: ancient civilizations and what they were using. It makes no sense.
Speaker 2: That's a great question, a great threat of thought. Because
Speaker 2: I actually started my book. My book is about mostly
Speaker 2: lost history cyclical time, but I started the first chapter
Speaker 2: with this idea, what would happen if nowadays. If today,
Speaker 2: let's say there would be a cataclysm, commat impact as
Speaker 2: storied impact, any kind of cataclysm, or maybe just we
Speaker 2: as humans completely vanished from our Earth. And I was
Speaker 2: doing calculations and looking for different kinds of scenarios, how
Speaker 2: many years it would take for our modern civilization, advanced
Speaker 2: civilization to decompose completely, And actually in just a few
Speaker 2: thousand years, most of the evidence wouldn't survive. And if
Speaker 2: we were talking about let's say, spans of tens or
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of years, even some very very strong
Speaker 2: materials or stuff like the garbage that we put on
Speaker 2: the you know, in the cosmos, in the you know,
Speaker 2: space between us and other planets, everything could completely vanish.
Speaker 2: So as I started with these questions, most of the plastics,
Speaker 2: we are being threatened that all we garbage, our entire
Speaker 2: plant with plastics, that plastics decompose and spans of a
Speaker 2: few hundred years, maybe up to one thousand years. Metals
Speaker 2: decompose in millimeters per year, the same with plenty of
Speaker 2: other materials. So I would say, even let's say conservatively,
Speaker 2: because of course, in two hundred, five hundred, eight thousand years,
Speaker 2: most of our civilization would be vanished. But when it
Speaker 2: comes to like let's say, all the evidence, microscopic evidence
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, I think that one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: years and there would be completely no trace of a
Speaker 2: modern civilization, maybe only a few out of places artifacts
Speaker 2: as we find them all the time, so things that
Speaker 2: are locked in coal or in other kinds of geological
Speaker 2: layers that can happen in very specific conditions that are
Speaker 2: just a minuskulle of all the conditions. Of course, it's
Speaker 2: like less than one percent of all the conditions that
Speaker 2: happen everywhere on our planet. But and if we are
Speaker 2: looking even again, I want to start conservatively, and then
Speaker 2: you can see how much true there is in all
Speaker 2: of the things that are called conspiracy theories, of course
Speaker 2: not being negative about them, but how it is called
Speaker 2: on the internet and everywhere buried the so called the bunkers.
Speaker 2: But when you see even that, and you see that
Speaker 2: anatomically moller humans even scientifically appeared about between half a
Speaker 2: million years ago, maybe three hundred thousand years ago, you
Speaker 2: see that there may have been multiple advanced civilizations just
Speaker 2: as ours today that we have almost no evidence for we,
Speaker 2: as you've said about cataclysm, we may have even more
Speaker 2: EVI then for the cataclysms, because they are natural staff
Speaker 2: and they impact huge areas of land, not like just
Speaker 2: one stuff, and they impact entire climates and entire you know, places,
Speaker 2: entire continents. So we even may have more evidence for
Speaker 2: natural disasters than for civilizations themselves. And I even had this,
Speaker 2: you know, just being curious. If let's say in ancient summer,
Speaker 2: let's say five thousand years ago, they used plastics, we
Speaker 2: would all nowadays, we'd almost have no evidence that they
Speaker 2: used that because it would completely decompose. So maybe what
Speaker 2: we have are these natural materials they use, like stones,
Speaker 2: like clay, tablets and stuff like that, but maybe they
Speaker 2: used something much more advanced that just haven't survived a
Speaker 2: lot of times.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because when I think whenever modern people look
Speaker 1: back at like ancient history, they look at them like
Speaker 1: just like stone tools and stuff like that. And that's
Speaker 1: always really surprised me because if we can't right now,
Speaker 1: if there's people right now that don't know what some
Speaker 1: of the technology that we've made in the past twenty
Speaker 1: years is, how are we supposed to understand what they
Speaker 1: were using back a thousand to two thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: I mean, it could be completely different. And when people
Speaker 1: talk about advanced ancient civilizations, they're running on a timeline
Speaker 1: that they think that we went on when it could
Speaker 1: be something completely different. Advanced technologically doesn't have to mean
Speaker 1: computers and cell phones. Okay, that's just the timeline that
Speaker 1: we went on. That doesn't mean that that's the timeline
Speaker 1: that they went on. What I'm getting at is that
Speaker 1: technology can mean something completely different than the way that
Speaker 1: we perceive it. It could be a different kind of technology.
Speaker 2: Yes, it may also, as you said, mean something different.
Speaker 2: It may also be based on something different. Nowadays everything
Speaker 2: run on silicon chips, transistors and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: it may be a completely different technology. Maybe just as
Speaker 2: some psychic readings say about using crystals in the Atlantean
Speaker 2: times or something like that. We just headed towards this technology,
Speaker 2: towards electricity and all of that, but the technology may
Speaker 2: be completely different, or as you've said, it may mean
Speaker 2: something different. For instance, in the most ancient Hindu epics,
Speaker 2: like the famous Mahabarata, there are mentions of psychic technology that,
Speaker 2: for instance, a person was completely blind physically, but he
Speaker 2: could see by remote viewing of some sorts things that
Speaker 2: were happening miles away from him, and he was using
Speaker 2: that and people were much more psychic, even when it
Speaker 2: comes to these Hindu epics. It's the most famous version
Speaker 2: of this cyclical history, his cyclical time. The you guess,
Speaker 2: it's meant that in the Caloroga everything is based on matter,
Speaker 2: including technology, including human lives. Everything is like that, but
Speaker 2: in other you gas, it's different. It's more spiritual. For instance,
Speaker 2: in the Golden Age crete satiuga, and people don't need
Speaker 2: the material life. They are so enlightened, so psychic, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe just still a pathic and they do not need
Speaker 2: to use words, use technology because everything is let's say,
Speaker 2: manifesting at instant or something like that. So yeah, this
Speaker 2: may be a different technology.
Speaker 1: And that's always stuck with me. And I think that
Speaker 1: instead of fighting and arguing over how old all of
Speaker 1: these ancient and megalithic sides are, like the Pyramids of Giza,
Speaker 1: you know it's two thousand years old, No, it's five
Speaker 1: thousand years old. I think that we need to be
Speaker 1: figuring out what this site was used for. Okay, they
Speaker 1: weren't tombs, nobody's wherever found in them, So you can
Speaker 1: rule that out. We have to start thinking logical, what
Speaker 1: was this stuff used for? In what benefit did it
Speaker 1: serve these ancient people? And can we use it today? Right?
Speaker 1: Can we fire up that pyramid? Okay? Can we get
Speaker 1: that whole mechanism running again. That's what we should be doing.
Speaker 1: But instead it's about arguing over how old it is.
Speaker 1: Arguing about how old it is is effectively covering up
Speaker 1: what it was even used for in the first place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will start with the dating jazz. A quick note.
Speaker 2: I've been doing an extensive research into dating different kinds
Speaker 2: of dating methods, and I explained them in my book
Speaker 2: very well. But even the basic stuff like the nuclear
Speaker 2: weapons and their detonations, they all change the dating. Everything
Speaker 2: is different what we call the dating because it's not
Speaker 2: only the famous carbon dating that it's so irrelevant in
Speaker 2: alternative history and stuff like that. No, we can date
Speaker 2: on basics, on the basis of plenty of different natural elements,
Speaker 2: but what we know is just estimation of the of
Speaker 2: the time of day decay because they are radioactive elements.
Speaker 2: But these things can change, you know, at all times
Speaker 2: there or even of course theories that there also physics
Speaker 2: can change to some extent, so imagine the rates of
Speaker 2: decay of different materials if they can be just influenced
Speaker 2: by solar rays or by nuclear detonation. Most of the
Speaker 2: datings are you know nothing when it comes to dating
Speaker 2: the past. But when it comes to permits and their
Speaker 2: kind of technology and their usage. I mentioned plenty of
Speaker 2: different theories and compare them in my book about the
Speaker 2: permit technology, but my personal one. And it's funny because
Speaker 2: I see the train of thought of casual Egyptologists and
Speaker 2: mainstream why they are thinking it was for the dead
Speaker 2: bodies of the forests and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 2: see a grain of truth that they're seeing, but not
Speaker 2: in the full picture. I think that the pyramits were
Speaker 2: used as some kind again of spiritual technology, something like.
Speaker 2: And you see it when plenty of different traditions acculed
Speaker 2: esoteric secret societies traditions about initiation as being some kind
Speaker 2: of out of body experience near this experience ascension. There
Speaker 2: are different names for that, but I think that the
Speaker 2: Great Point was used for that because we know and
Speaker 2: it is to some extent a fact, at least from
Speaker 2: the sources we know. Maybe they do not represent the
Speaker 2: official ancient Egypt, of course and their beliefs, but the Orion.
Speaker 2: And we know that the permits of Giza are aligned
Speaker 2: towards Ryan, not only when it comes to the three
Speaker 2: pyramids being located like that, but also to the shafts.
Speaker 2: Look at the Orion belt consolations. We know that Orion
Speaker 2: was for them some kind of gateway portal when it
Speaker 2: comes to part of the soul, because we think, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe we have a cel spirit nowadays, but the ancient
Speaker 2: Egyptian beliefs, belief was much more advanced than that. There
Speaker 2: was ka Ba, so different parts of metaphysical, spiritual us
Speaker 2: inside of us. So they mentioned that part of the
Speaker 2: soul went to the Orion belt, and you can see
Speaker 2: similar beliefs for instance, Native Americans. They also believe that
Speaker 2: part of the spirit is going on after death, for instance,
Speaker 2: to the Orion, and that's how it escapes let's say
Speaker 2: the material world, the universe, the matrix or something like that.
Speaker 2: And I think that the pyramit was not for the
Speaker 2: and it was nowadays more common like that, but I
Speaker 2: think five years ago or something it was a very
Speaker 2: obscure theory. But nowadays it's even on joor Organ people
Speaker 2: alternative researchers claiming similar thing, that the pyramit was not
Speaker 2: for the dead body like the Fario mumified, but for
Speaker 2: a live body. So people undergoing some kind of ritual,
Speaker 2: some kind of nerdth experience using this technology because we
Speaker 2: know very well, for instance, just because the Premit is
Speaker 2: made of these huge stones and they include chords in them,
Speaker 2: we know that physically permit is accumulating some kind of
Speaker 2: electromagnetic energy even on the physical level, and we know
Speaker 2: it's very big. It's aligned to all the stuff like
Speaker 2: the true North, like the center of the landmarks of
Speaker 2: our planet and things like that. I think that it
Speaker 2: amplified the spiritual experience, just as people undergo with dmt
Speaker 2: LSD and different kinds of drugs. And I think that
Speaker 2: the Permit was a technology what we would call nowadays,
Speaker 2: as I've said, neudith experience, out of body experience, ascension
Speaker 2: for thing going beyond the body, and it amplified that
Speaker 2: just has plenty of other We know temples all around
Speaker 2: the world, megalitic temples can induce altered states of consciousness,
Speaker 2: so I think it was eased for that.
Speaker 1: Have you been in Egypt. I've never been no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I haven't. Unfortunately, well, apparently there's these giant sarcophaki that
Speaker 1: are like weighed tons and tons and no one really
Speaker 1: knows what they were used for. And then they also
Speaker 1: have them underneath the Pyramid of Giza as well, and
Speaker 1: there's also a tiny little lake under there of water
Speaker 1: where two sarcophakai are submerged in water. Now they say
Speaker 1: whenever they found this that there wasn't anything in them.
Speaker 1: Who knows what they're telling the truth, but it's just
Speaker 1: very odd and very strange. And then you also have
Speaker 1: like these little these shops that go through the entire
Speaker 1: pyramid that are like what, I don't know, twelve by twelve.
Speaker 1: They're very small that a human body cannot fit through.
Speaker 1: That's where they took that robot that went through there
Speaker 1: and drilled a hole into the wall and then it
Speaker 1: was a big, huge thing. But like, what were those
Speaker 1: shafts used for? I mean, you can't fit a human
Speaker 1: body through there. What were they used for? So it
Speaker 1: doesn't really I mean, were they doing laundry way back then?
Speaker 1: You know the laundry shoot, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: throwing laundry down through there.