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<v Speaker 1>Maybe a lot of this stuff is really hard to

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<v Speaker 1>discover because there isn't any evidence left of it. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that humanity just up and left right now,

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<v Speaker 1>just disappeared. How long until everything just withers away, until

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<v Speaker 1>you can't find a trace of any civilization was ever

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<v Speaker 1>here in the first place. I mean, you can look

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<v Speaker 1>at some places like Hiroshima and you can see that

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't take that long. And even if there was

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<v Speaker 1>something left behind after thousands of years, who's to say

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<v Speaker 1>a future of human race would even be able to

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<v Speaker 1>understand what we were doing in our technology. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that someone in two hundred years from

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<v Speaker 1>now is going to know what a floppy disk is? Alexander?

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<v Speaker 1>People are now on this planet that don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>a floppy disk is, and that was less than twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. So why are we pretending that we know

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<v Speaker 1>all of these civilizations tools and the processes of these

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<v Speaker 1>ancient civilizations and what they were using. It makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question, a great threat of thought. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I actually started my book. My book is about mostly

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<v Speaker 2>lost history cyclical time, but I started the first chapter

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<v Speaker 2>with this idea, what would happen if nowadays. If today,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say there would be a cataclysm, commat impact as

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<v Speaker 2>storied impact, any kind of cataclysm, or maybe just we

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<v Speaker 2>as humans completely vanished from our Earth. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing calculations and looking for different kinds of scenarios, how

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<v Speaker 2>many years it would take for our modern civilization, advanced

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<v Speaker 2>civilization to decompose completely, And actually in just a few

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years, most of the evidence wouldn't survive. And if

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about let's say, spans of tens or

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of thousands of years, even some very very strong

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<v Speaker 2>materials or stuff like the garbage that we put on

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, in the cosmos, in the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>space between us and other planets, everything could completely vanish.

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<v Speaker 2>So as I started with these questions, most of the plastics,

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<v Speaker 2>we are being threatened that all we garbage, our entire

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<v Speaker 2>plant with plastics, that plastics decompose and spans of a

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<v Speaker 2>few hundred years, maybe up to one thousand years. Metals

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<v Speaker 2>decompose in millimeters per year, the same with plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>other materials. So I would say, even let's say conservatively,

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<v Speaker 2>because of course, in two hundred, five hundred, eight thousand years,

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<v Speaker 2>most of our civilization would be vanished. But when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to like let's say, all the evidence, microscopic evidence

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, I think that one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>years and there would be completely no trace of a

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<v Speaker 2>modern civilization, maybe only a few out of places artifacts

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<v Speaker 2>as we find them all the time, so things that

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<v Speaker 2>are locked in coal or in other kinds of geological

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<v Speaker 2>layers that can happen in very specific conditions that are

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<v Speaker 2>just a minuskulle of all the conditions. Of course, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like less than one percent of all the conditions that

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<v Speaker 2>happen everywhere on our planet. But and if we are

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<v Speaker 2>looking even again, I want to start conservatively, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you can see how much true there is in all

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that are called conspiracy theories, of course

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<v Speaker 2>not being negative about them, but how it is called

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<v Speaker 2>on the internet and everywhere buried the so called the bunkers.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you see even that, and you see that

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<v Speaker 2>anatomically moller humans even scientifically appeared about between half a

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<v Speaker 2>million years ago, maybe three hundred thousand years ago, you

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<v Speaker 2>see that there may have been multiple advanced civilizations just

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<v Speaker 2>as ours today that we have almost no evidence for we,

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<v Speaker 2>as you've said about cataclysm, we may have even more

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<v Speaker 2>EVI then for the cataclysms, because they are natural staff

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<v Speaker 2>and they impact huge areas of land, not like just

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<v Speaker 2>one stuff, and they impact entire climates and entire you know, places,

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<v Speaker 2>entire continents. So we even may have more evidence for

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<v Speaker 2>natural disasters than for civilizations themselves. And I even had this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just being curious. If let's say in ancient summer,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say five thousand years ago, they used plastics, we

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<v Speaker 2>would all nowadays, we'd almost have no evidence that they

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<v Speaker 2>used that because it would completely decompose. So maybe what

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<v Speaker 2>we have are these natural materials they use, like stones,

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<v Speaker 2>like clay, tablets and stuff like that, but maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>used something much more advanced that just haven't survived a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because when I think whenever modern people look

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<v Speaker 1>back at like ancient history, they look at them like

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<v Speaker 1>just like stone tools and stuff like that. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>always really surprised me because if we can't right now,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's people right now that don't know what some

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<v Speaker 1>of the technology that we've made in the past twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years is, how are we supposed to understand what they

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<v Speaker 1>were using back a thousand to two thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it could be completely different. And when people

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<v Speaker 1>talk about advanced ancient civilizations, they're running on a timeline

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<v Speaker 1>that they think that we went on when it could

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<v Speaker 1>be something completely different. Advanced technologically doesn't have to mean

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<v Speaker 1>computers and cell phones. Okay, that's just the timeline that

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<v Speaker 1>we went on. That doesn't mean that that's the timeline

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<v Speaker 1>that they went on. What I'm getting at is that

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<v Speaker 1>technology can mean something completely different than the way that

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<v Speaker 1>we perceive it. It could be a different kind of technology.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it may also, as you said, mean something different.

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<v Speaker 2>It may also be based on something different. Nowadays everything

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<v Speaker 2>run on silicon chips, transistors and stuff like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>it may be a completely different technology. Maybe just as

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<v Speaker 2>some psychic readings say about using crystals in the Atlantean

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<v Speaker 2>times or something like that. We just headed towards this technology,

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<v Speaker 2>towards electricity and all of that, but the technology may

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<v Speaker 2>be completely different, or as you've said, it may mean

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<v Speaker 2>something different. For instance, in the most ancient Hindu epics,

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<v Speaker 2>like the famous Mahabarata, there are mentions of psychic technology that,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, a person was completely blind physically, but he

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<v Speaker 2>could see by remote viewing of some sorts things that

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<v Speaker 2>were happening miles away from him, and he was using

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<v Speaker 2>that and people were much more psychic, even when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to these Hindu epics. It's the most famous version

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<v Speaker 2>of this cyclical history, his cyclical time. The you guess,

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<v Speaker 2>it's meant that in the Caloroga everything is based on matter,

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<v Speaker 2>including technology, including human lives. Everything is like that, but

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<v Speaker 2>in other you gas, it's different. It's more spiritual. For instance,

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<v Speaker 2>in the Golden Age crete satiuga, and people don't need

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<v Speaker 2>the material life. They are so enlightened, so psychic, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe just still a pathic and they do not need

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<v Speaker 2>to use words, use technology because everything is let's say,

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<v Speaker 2>manifesting at instant or something like that. So yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>may be a different technology.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's always stuck with me. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>instead of fighting and arguing over how old all of

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<v Speaker 1>these ancient and megalithic sides are, like the Pyramids of Giza,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's two thousand years old, No, it's five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years old. I think that we need to be

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out what this site was used for. Okay, they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't tombs, nobody's wherever found in them, So you can

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<v Speaker 1>rule that out. We have to start thinking logical, what

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<v Speaker 1>was this stuff used for? In what benefit did it

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<v Speaker 1>serve these ancient people? And can we use it today? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Can we fire up that pyramid? Okay? Can we get

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<v Speaker 1>that whole mechanism running again. That's what we should be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead it's about arguing over how old it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Arguing about how old it is is effectively covering up

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<v Speaker 1>what it was even used for in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I will start with the dating jazz. A quick note.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been doing an extensive research into dating different kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of dating methods, and I explained them in my book

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<v Speaker 2>very well. But even the basic stuff like the nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>weapons and their detonations, they all change the dating. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>is different what we call the dating because it's not

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<v Speaker 2>only the famous carbon dating that it's so irrelevant in

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<v Speaker 2>alternative history and stuff like that. No, we can date

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<v Speaker 2>on basics, on the basis of plenty of different natural elements,

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<v Speaker 2>but what we know is just estimation of the of

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<v Speaker 2>the time of day decay because they are radioactive elements.

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<v Speaker 2>But these things can change, you know, at all times

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<v Speaker 2>there or even of course theories that there also physics

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<v Speaker 2>can change to some extent, so imagine the rates of

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<v Speaker 2>decay of different materials if they can be just influenced

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<v Speaker 2>by solar rays or by nuclear detonation. Most of the

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<v Speaker 2>datings are you know nothing when it comes to dating

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<v Speaker 2>the past. But when it comes to permits and their

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<v Speaker 2>kind of technology and their usage. I mentioned plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>different theories and compare them in my book about the

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<v Speaker 2>permit technology, but my personal one. And it's funny because

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<v Speaker 2>I see the train of thought of casual Egyptologists and

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<v Speaker 2>mainstream why they are thinking it was for the dead

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<v Speaker 2>bodies of the forests and stuff like that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>see a grain of truth that they're seeing, but not

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<v Speaker 2>in the full picture. I think that the pyramits were

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<v Speaker 2>used as some kind again of spiritual technology, something like.

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<v Speaker 2>And you see it when plenty of different traditions acculed

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<v Speaker 2>esoteric secret societies traditions about initiation as being some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of out of body experience near this experience ascension. There

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<v Speaker 2>are different names for that, but I think that the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Point was used for that because we know and

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<v Speaker 2>it is to some extent a fact, at least from

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<v Speaker 2>the sources we know. Maybe they do not represent the

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<v Speaker 2>official ancient Egypt, of course and their beliefs, but the Orion.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know that the permits of Giza are aligned

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<v Speaker 2>towards Ryan, not only when it comes to the three

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<v Speaker 2>pyramids being located like that, but also to the shafts.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at the Orion belt consolations. We know that Orion

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<v Speaker 2>was for them some kind of gateway portal when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to part of the soul, because we think, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we have a cel spirit nowadays, but the ancient

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<v Speaker 2>Egyptian beliefs, belief was much more advanced than that. There

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<v Speaker 2>was ka Ba, so different parts of metaphysical, spiritual us

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<v Speaker 2>inside of us. So they mentioned that part of the

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<v Speaker 2>soul went to the Orion belt, and you can see

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<v Speaker 2>similar beliefs for instance, Native Americans. They also believe that

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<v Speaker 2>part of the spirit is going on after death, for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>to the Orion, and that's how it escapes let's say

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<v Speaker 2>the material world, the universe, the matrix or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that the pyramit was not for the

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<v Speaker 2>and it was nowadays more common like that, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think five years ago or something it was a very

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<v Speaker 2>obscure theory. But nowadays it's even on joor Organ people

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<v Speaker 2>alternative researchers claiming similar thing, that the pyramit was not

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<v Speaker 2>for the dead body like the Fario mumified, but for

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<v Speaker 2>a live body. So people undergoing some kind of ritual,

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of nerdth experience using this technology because we

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<v Speaker 2>know very well, for instance, just because the Premit is

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<v Speaker 2>made of these huge stones and they include chords in them,

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<v Speaker 2>we know that physically permit is accumulating some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>electromagnetic energy even on the physical level, and we know

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<v Speaker 2>it's very big. It's aligned to all the stuff like

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<v Speaker 2>the true North, like the center of the landmarks of

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<v Speaker 2>our planet and things like that. I think that it

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<v Speaker 2>amplified the spiritual experience, just as people undergo with dmt

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<v Speaker 2>LSD and different kinds of drugs. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the Permit was a technology what we would call nowadays,

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<v Speaker 2>as I've said, neudith experience, out of body experience, ascension

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<v Speaker 2>for thing going beyond the body, and it amplified that

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<v Speaker 2>just has plenty of other We know temples all around

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<v Speaker 2>the world, megalitic temples can induce altered states of consciousness,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think it was eased for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you been in Egypt. I've never been no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't. Unfortunately, well, apparently there's these giant sarcophaki that

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<v Speaker 1>are like weighed tons and tons and no one really

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<v Speaker 1>knows what they were used for. And then they also

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<v Speaker 1>have them underneath the Pyramid of Giza as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's also a tiny little lake under there of water

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<v Speaker 1>where two sarcophakai are submerged in water. Now they say

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<v Speaker 1>whenever they found this that there wasn't anything in them.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows what they're telling the truth, but it's just

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<v Speaker 1>very odd and very strange. And then you also have

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<v Speaker 1>like these little these shops that go through the entire

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<v Speaker 1>pyramid that are like what, I don't know, twelve by twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>They're very small that a human body cannot fit through.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where they took that robot that went through there

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<v Speaker 1>and drilled a hole into the wall and then it

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<v Speaker 1>was a big, huge thing. But like, what were those

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<v Speaker 1>shafts used for? I mean, you can't fit a human

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<v Speaker 1>body through there. What were they used for? So it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really I mean, were they doing laundry way back then?

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<v Speaker 1>You know the laundry shoot, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>throwing laundry down through there.