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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, this is Christina and Carmen, and this is

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another episode of a Booky tell Us, the podcast for

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all things spooky, true crime, hunter Places, but also sometimes

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book Club. Yes, it's a book Club episode. Book Club,

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book Club, book Club and yeah Bochica, it's our Bochika

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book Club episode. I well, we'll get into it, well

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into it. And as we say in every book Club episode,

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the way they go, we start off with a little summarye.

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We say who we thought we would cast, who we

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would cast in a movie of this book. I don't

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know if you have any for this book. You know,

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it only comes to mind when I feel strongly about

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a book. Okay, okay, yeah, same, I didn't think of anybody. Yeah, yeah,

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So yeah we do that, not that summary, that's just

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the back of the book. We do sometimes the cast,

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and then we just get into a very long recap

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of the book, and then at the end we do

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the discussion questions and then a rating. So I will

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have time steps. But basically that summary, that's the only

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spoiler free and it's just from the book.

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Speaker 2: The back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the back of the book. So and the

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recap is a recap of the book. Yeah, thoughts and

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started in. But we also get into our thoughts, questions,

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discussion questions exactly, and that is how the book club

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episodes go. If you want to quote join the book club,

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it's not really joining. It's like you get the questions

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when you send them out, and you can answer them

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if you want, and then you get the notification of

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what book we're reading next. That way, you finish it

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by the time we finish it, and then you can

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send us your thoughts or comments answers to the questions

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if you want.

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Speaker 2: And we love getting We do love getting them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say the only times we get a

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lot of answers is usually when it's Isbarcia. Yeah, but

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yeah that did get answers too though, yeah yeah, yeah,

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So yeah, that's how these work. One day, maybe you know,

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we'll try and do a live recording episode like online live.

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That would be fun, yeah, and where people can actually discuss.

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But again I stuck at like, I don't know how

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to live straight. I can only do a podcast and

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TikTok and one weakness, it is my one weakness. I

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don't know how to do that. I don't know how

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to where so I guess like people do it on zoom,

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but you gotta pay for that, and yeah, I don't know.

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That's the other weakness, you know. Yeah, so yeah, all

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right the summary?

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Speaker 2: Are you ready?

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Speaker 1: I am, Okay, let's do this. So this book Club

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episode is about Bochica by Carolina Flores Cerchiaro And here

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goes the summary. In nineteen twenty three, Soacha Columbia La Casona,

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an upland mansion approached above the legendary Santo. The Tekendama

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Waterfall was once home to Antonia and her family, who

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settle in despite their constant nightmares and the house's malevolent spirit.

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The tragedy strikes when Antonia's mother takes a faddle fall

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into Xanto, and her father, consumed by grief, attempts to

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burn the house down, with Antonia st inside. Three years later,

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haunted by disturbing dreams and cryptic journal entries from her

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late mother, Antonia is drawn back to her childhood home

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when it is converted into a luxurious hotel. As Antonia

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confronts her fragmented memories and the dark history of the estate,

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she wrestles with unsettling questions she can no longer ignore.

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Was her mother's death by her own hands or was

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it by someone else's. In a riveting quest for answers,

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Antonia must navigate the shadows of La Casna as she

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unearthed its darkest secret in this delicately told story of

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how the past always finds us and how people can

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be haunted just as surely as places can. Yes, thank

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you for reading that. And I for one was very

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excited for this book because it's takes place in a

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place we have covered on the podcast. Yeah, that's one

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reason we picked it. Yeah, it was pre Carmen. It

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was just me and MJ back then. It was all

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the way back in episode fifty three. It's titled Thickened

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on My Falls and the Joelma Building a Whelma Building.

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So yeah, if anyone wants to listen to the story

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behind this haunted place, that episode is there. And yeah,

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that's why I was very excited to check this book out.

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And honestly, the setting is everything, yeah in this book.

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So let's get and this is now recap moment. This

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is a spoiler's galore. We're recapping the book. So or sorry,

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No you didn't cast.

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Speaker 2: Anyone, right, No, I didn't. I didn't know you neither, right.

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Speaker 1: Now no, no one comes to mind. I'm sorry, just

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blank faces.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: So, so we started off with Antonia teaching a class

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of girls in the all girls Catholic school, and she's

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talking about exorcisms for some reason, and I guess it

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was part of the curriculum because yeah, straight up talking

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about it. I remember learning about this in Catechism. Then

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that would have caught my eye. Well, yeah, this is

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Catholic school, so it's deeper than just Catechism, right, I

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guess they really get into everything. Yeah, possessions included, possessions included.

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I guess she starts thinking to herself, while these girls

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are all doomed to a shitty life, yeah, because they

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are girls in a Catholic school in its nineteen thirties.

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Our girl, Antonia is a feminist. Yes, diehard feminists to

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a fault and opskin. Well, maybe one can say she's

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the nineteen thirties, not you know, present time. Feminists have

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always been around. No, no, no, that's true, that is

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very true. But but she felt like not yet, oh

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the whole No, okay, we'll get into it. The whole

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book didn't feel like it was in nineteen thirties to me.

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and I wouldn't have known the difference. So yeah, anyway,

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so yeah, right after bat, she's like, man, these girls

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Speaker 2: Poor them. Oooh hoo.

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Speaker 1: And then one girl asks, mister Roubiano, how do we know?

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The girl can't even finish the sentence, but by the devil,

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even say the devil.

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Speaker 2: You fucking lose her.

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Speaker 1: No, dumb bitch was a little word.

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Speaker 2: She didn't actually say that, No.

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Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating, but she is like, she can't even finish

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the sentence because she's so afraid. So then Antonia gives

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them the classic exorcism signs, but not before telling them

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that most possessions are not real, which is true.

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Speaker 2: It is true. She's right about that. She's right.

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Speaker 1: They have to be medically ruled out. Those are Vatican rules.

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disconnected or strange pattern of speech, having answers to questions

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that they couldn't possibly know the answer to, and then

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Speaker 2: She does that a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry she does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So her mind trails to a time her dad

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was apparently bound to a chair in a dark room

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with Latin chants from a bad Juan. There's nuns around,

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and there's like blood flowing flowing from.

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question mark. I yeah, I don't think so so that

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the only way that it's addressed is that she often

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how he wasn't himself anymore. So maybe but yeah, yeah, yeah,

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dad went through an exorcism, but yeah, I don't recall

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it being thoroughly addressed again, So I want to know

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she is in her head thinking about all this, like

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how much time has passed? She's just there blankly staring

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or does time stop? And then.

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Speaker 1: So eventually she returns to the rest of the signs

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like a person being terrified of religious things like water,

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the cross. And then she's interrupted not by her own

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thoughts this time, but by La Madres Superior, Madre Asuncion,

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and she walks in with her menacing footsteps, and she

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dismisses everything. Antonia just told the girls, like, no, don't

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listen to her, she's just an atheist. I don't think

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why she said, Oh yeah, she just dismisses it, like, oh,

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these things are very real, like don't listen to miss Rubiano.

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and maybe even fear in Antonia, which dates back to

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when she was a student at the same school she's

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now teaching at, and then madresunzions the class. One of

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they get attacked and possessed and then they're killed, which

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a group of girls. I mean, yeah, yeah, why can't

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fear into these youths exactly. And so Antonia remains fiedma

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remembering that Madaresluncion almost beat one of her class I

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classmens when she was when okay, yeah, yet another thing

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Speaker 1: So Madescion then also tells her something about how Antonia

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that she needs to remember what happened to her mother.

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believe doesn't make evil disappear. It just leaves her weak,

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unprepared and defenseless. And she says all that in front

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pull her into office hours. I thought that they were

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go home. Yeah, it's in her Okay, this might be

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in her office. Then wow, okay, not bad.

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Speaker 2: I tried. I tried my best year wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we suddenly and abruptly go to the past.

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was like my weirdest font. But it tells sized I

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have like this dyslexic font. What I used the dyslexia

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Speaker 2: It's fun to read.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw someone someone said that this font would

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help you pay more attention if you have like ADHD.

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like the the bottom part of the letters are like bold,

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Speaker 1: The part you're talking about that is I like I

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Speaker 2: The letter from her mom, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Then we go to the italicized version and it's like

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it's the past. It's dated eight August nineteen twenty one.

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this land, how secluded the places they finally feel at

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home here, and then the journal entry mentions Ricardo said

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something something like the workers are going to get this

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all cleaned up. And so at that point when Ricardo's mentioned,

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we were like, okay, that's probably her mom. Yeah, and

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so that's who's writing the journal entry. And then Estella.

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Her mom asks herself if Antonia will appreciate this place

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as much as her gothic books, Like this just seems

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so random, like, oh, she's gonna like this better than

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her little, stupid books.

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Speaker 2: It just seems running to me.

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Speaker 1: But you know, and maybe she was really I guess

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she was really obsessed with the books, so she was. Yeah,

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she was all like, because this place is so much

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better than her stupid gothic books. Basically is what she's saying,

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and one day it will all be hers, which contains

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a deeper meaning by the end of the book, But

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this point in the book, we don't know how deep

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this really is. Completely forgot about that when I read

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later on right now it just seems like a mom

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wanting to pass on her material belongings to a child. Yeah,

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And then we're back in the nineteen thirties with Antonia.

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She's walking to her house from her school job because

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she was forced to leave an hour early, and she's

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sneaking to herself as she's walking, how it wouldn't be

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so bad to be fired, because after all, her former

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childhood home is being turned into Colma's first selexury hotel.

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And I'm like, Okay, that doesn't like flow together. I'm sorry, Like.

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Speaker 2: Maybe what would relate to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like, oh, maybe it wouldn't be so bad

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to be fired because my former home is.

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Speaker 2: Like it's like, okay, there should have been something I

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don't know, maybe.

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Speaker 1: Like yes and yes and what does this mean for

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you specifically, like can you live there?

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Speaker 2: Or what? Right? Right?

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Speaker 1: But I guess if she got fire, she would be

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away from all of it. I don't know, I don't know,

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I don't know, but yeah, we learned here that her

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former childhood home is being turned into Columbia's first luxury hotel.

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This hotel is had to have a ballroom, sixteen rooms, murals,

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gold everywhere, crystal chandeliers, electricity telephones, three restaurants, a cellar,

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and a balcony facing the five hundred foot waterfall. It

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sounds really nice, it sounds beautiful. And then she's like,

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the house was bugly and I fucking hated in. It

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was the worst place ever, which we will hear again

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and again and again how ugly the house was and

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how it was the worst place ever. Stinky, it always

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had a funky musty smell. Do it's tink it's dunk. Yes,

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so we're gonna hear that again and again. She also

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thinks about the depression her dad has been fighting since

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her mom died four years ago in the house. Then

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suddenly she thinks about the demonic possession and that the

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girls in her class have no idea what real possession

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looks like because I look like her dad grieving, which, yeah,

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I could see that. I could see that making sense.

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I still don't enjoy the way it was written, though.

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It was very clunky writing. It wasn't smooth like you

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said earlier. One thought didn't connect to the other. It

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was just like saying it to say it because we

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need to know it, instead of yes, I don't know,

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just delivering it more. Yeah, creatively, I don't know, right, Yeah, exactly, Okay.

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And so as she's walking, she feels like she's being

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followed and watched, and then she hears the sound of

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someone rushing towards her, like when someone walks fast, I guess.

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She looks up and she sees a dark silhouette with

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red eyes across the street, and she's like, I have

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seen these eyes, but I don't remember where her house

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where else, I don't know the street sounds too quiet,

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and she's like, is this a dream?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: It's not real? And she's deep in her thoughts and

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she's like, it couldn't be. She says it's out loud,

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and then Emmi goes like, what the fuck are you

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talking about?

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Speaker 2: She does that a lot too, Yeah, she does. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He's like, Senorita, what the fuck? No, He's like, are

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you okay? Are you okay?

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Speaker 2: Which are you dumb?

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Speaker 1: And then she's like, with there's someone at the door.

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Is my dad outside? He's like, no, no, one's outside.

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The weather sucks right now.

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Speaker 2: Who in there goddamn mind would.

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Speaker 1: Be outside right now? And that's basically what he sayss

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but nicer, and then he asks her, very seriously, how

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do you do it?

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Speaker 2: All? Work? Take care of your father?

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Speaker 1: This house, the business, what business? I'm not sure? The

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other house there's a business, he said, the business question

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mark or I put the question mark in my back.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what business.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember how business being mentioned. And this's the

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business of the house being rented as a hotel. Maybe,

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But then he also says the other house, which is

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the hotel, So I don't know, but yeah, I don't know.

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What business it would be, and he's like, you're doing

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too much. She's like, I don't have a choice, and

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he's like, there's always a choice, which I guess it

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seems like an unnatural conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Also like Carmela

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does a lot. She's there like lifelong made and so likes.

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Speaker 2: Carmela be free.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's the one doing the most here.

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Speaker 2: I don't know wants to be there, No, she does.

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Speaker 1: She wants to be there, But I'm saying, I'm saying

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that Antonia isn't doing it by herself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Carmela does a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she has a superwoman Caramela by her side. So yeah. Anyway,

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she finally goes inside the house. She thinks about how

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whatever she saw left her all disarrayed, and how it

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all started a year before her mom died and she

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would wake up screaming, shrieking for help in the middle

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of the night. Her parents would come and Carmela would

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rush to her too, and they would then dismiss her fears,

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all in their own ways, like oh, it's gonna be okay,

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or it was nothing, aren't real, Yeah, all in their

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own ways, but doing that, which, yeah, I get it. Again,

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I would do the same thing. But no matter what

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they said or her mom said, those supposed dreams did

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not get better. And she thought that being away from

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the former house, her former home, would make it all okay,

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make it go away, but what she saw today proved

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that that was not the case. And she has some

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of her mama's journals, just the few that she was

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able to get before the house was burned by her father,

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and so she wants to find the rest of the

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journal entries so she could get real answers like what

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was she seeing and why did her mom die? And

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that's basically exactly what the book says.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like.

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Speaker 1: I always think I I don't recognize bad writing and

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that I love everything I read.

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Speaker 2: But that's not true.

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Speaker 1: And this, like we said earlier, it was very clunky

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written over explained, yeah, very what is that thing? It

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was very telling instead of showing yes, I like to

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be shown, Yeah, I don't mind, and.

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Speaker 2: Dined you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So she's deep in her thoughts again, Carmela walks up

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to her and tells her that her dad is ready

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for the grand opening. Uh, and Antonia doesn't want it

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to go because the deep depression that has engulfed him

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since his wife died.

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Speaker 2: That's another thing.

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Speaker 1: She goes back and forth from my mom Estella and

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his wife, and then I'm like, pick one.

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Speaker 2: It took me a second to real.

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Speaker 1: One because I keep forgetting yes, you forgetting with ye.

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And then I was like, wait, is Carmela Stella? Oh no, sorry,

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two different people my bad. And there's not even that

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many characters in this book, but it's because of this,

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Like she'll start thinking and she's like, oh, and then

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his wife and then it's like, Okay, you could just

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had my mom because you're thinking.

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Speaker 2: You're the one thinking right now. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You're not maybe about your dad and your mom in

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relation to each other. You're thinking of your mom in

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relation to you. So why would you be It's like

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if I was talking about my mom and then I'd

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be like, instead of saying my mom, I'd be like

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my dad's ex wife.

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Speaker 2: Non exactly story, like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I'm going to visit my dad's ex wife today.

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What my mom?

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Speaker 2: Your mom? I'm a mommy? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that was I think one of my bigger

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issues with the book. And I know, like Hey, I

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can't write a book, That's why I'm not an author.

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Speaker 2: But I read.

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Speaker 1: I can't write for shit either. No, I can't write

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for shit either, but but we do read. Yeah, but

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you know, people I think. I mean, I I don't

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usually even really listen to reviews.

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Speaker 2: I'll just read whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that it's fair. That's how it's written.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree, And at the premise it had potential,

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and it has potential, like you know, it picked up.

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Speaker 2: For me towards the end too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it wasn't like a horrible read, just like

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the first half. Yes, and I think, you know, if

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she comes down with work in the future, I think

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I will check it out because I would imagine that

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she improved from this one based on like critiques. Yeah,

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so I would for sure check it out. Like the

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setting was cool, We'll get into all that. Yeah, and

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we're recapping right now. I'm already trying to talk about that. Yeah,

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X give me to the end, Like, okay, so, yeah,

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his wife died and she thinks that being away from

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the house is the answer. And Caramela tells Antonia that

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he her dad will never forget the house. So you know,

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we learn a little bit about her dad, check out

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about having been a super successful architect and that he

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built the mansion on Elsalto that was his ultimate project

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for his wife. Her mom, and she continues to think

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about how this is a terrible idea returning to the

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house because I also that wasn't like said right away,

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Like some of the things that I should have been

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said weren't said, and then other things were over explained. Yeah,

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so she thinks this is a terrible idea for them

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to go to the ground opening of the former house

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turned into hotel, and she's like, we need to forget

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everything that happened in the house. We cannot return to it.

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And her father holds all these good memories from the house,

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while she was like, it was a terrible place. I

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have not a single good memory from it. Befair she

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was being haunted there, no, of course, although honestly, I

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kind of wish that we would have like gotten povs

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from her punting in the house. I think that would

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have meant more. I think I would have understood how

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haunting it was, because right now I'm like, all right, fine,

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like you were scared in the house, Like yeah, so

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you know, we learned about her first memory of the house,

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and that is the only happy memory of the house.

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They were sitting by the fireplace together and he's like,

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this is our place, Nona. Sorry, I don't know why

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I said it, like that, this is our place. Nona

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and her parents have a bunch of gifts for her,

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like all these fancy gothic books, and she's thinking all

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this while Karmela is like waiting for a response. It

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doesn't take her that long to think of these things.

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm on the one thinking like it would take

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me for ever to think these things, so there would

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be a long awkward pause, but maybe not for her.

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Maybe she's beef things, you know. So Carmela interrupts these

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thoughts and tells her that her father's going to that

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opening with or without her, And then her dad comes

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out like he was summoned or something, and he's like, yeah,

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I'm going, I'm going to that party. He's like, your

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mom would have wanted us to go, and she's like, no, you.

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Speaker 2: Don't know that.

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Speaker 1: You'll never know that because she's dead, which is like

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I was married to her, I think I would know. No, No,

467
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:11,720
he would never know she's dead. She's said she's ever

468
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:16,480
coming back. She's not, but she's not true, not making

469
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:19,240
fun of and no, I'm not just saying what she

470
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,640
would say. She says this a lot. She says variations

471
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:23,519
of this a lot. No.

472
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

473
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: This goes on for a while, this back and forth

474
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,640
of like, no, you don't know, Oh I do know,

475
00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:31,720
No you don't know, Oh I do know.

476
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: A while.

477
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,799
Speaker 1: Eventually she agrees to go as long as Carmela goes.

478
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,279
And why are you dragging Carmela into this? She didn't

479
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:43,519
want to go either. She never gets a break. Yeah,

480
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:47,920
that's why I'm saying, doesn't when we get a day off. Ever, No, no,

481
00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:51,920
And then there's another journal entry, and in this one

482
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,680
is Stella. Her mom is talking about how the house

483
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:58,640
lacks warmth despite its beauty, and that Antonia has locked

484
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,119
herself in her room and has been I'm increasingly lonely

485
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,559
in a hostile and that she doesn't understand why she

486
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:07,119
doesn't like the waterfall, and she's worried for Antonia. And

487
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,880
she ends the entry with saying that there's been increasing

488
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,240
visitors to the house, but it doesn't worry her because

489
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,880
she's a protector of this Latin now and so yeah,

490
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,359
that's that journal entry. We learned that Antonia is just

491
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,759
not having a good time there back in the nineteen thirties.

492
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:23,880
Now with Antonia, she's in the car with her dad, Carmela,

493
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,480
and Emiro the driver, and again she's thinking about how

494
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,000
horrible the house was and what it must look like

495
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:36,200
now with Dounia Perida's extravagant taste. And at first, I'm like,

496
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,759
why would it matter what her taste is if Leon

497
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:40,720
was the one who bought the house because Leone is

498
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:41,160
her son?

499
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:43,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it is?

500
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: So does she buy it or he bought it for

501
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,839
I don't know, but she's the one who's apparently choosing

502
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,160
what the house looks like even though her son bought it. Yeah, which, okay, fine,

503
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,279
I guess you know. It was just kind of like

504
00:26:56,319 --> 00:27:00,119
confusing at first because we didn't know exactly the situ

505
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,559
that we will learn at the end.

506
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: Of the book.

507
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Leone is Ricardo's bestie who bought or rented

508
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,519
the hotel. Guess they're renting it, they didn't buy it

509
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,720
something like that, right, Yeah, right, I think, Yeah, I

510
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:20,480
do love this line as she's like reminiscing about the

511
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,079
house and she says, quote, what a nice dist guy's

512
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,160
it had on It appeared innocent, defenseless, welcoming. Even that

513
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,640
was a fun line. I didn't enjoy that line. I

514
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,480
think the description of the house and the house as

515
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,119
almost like a life thing. That's partly what makes it

516
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,079
like Gothic, right. But it's like one of my favorite

517
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:43,839
parts of the book. And that's what I was saying

518
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,160
at the beginning. The setting us everything for this book,

519
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,279
and I think that if you go into it, not

520
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,720
we'll we'll get into it. We'll get into it at

521
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:55,400
the end. My dad recapping, we're recapping, Okay. So this

522
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,480
goes on for quite a bit about her thoughts on

523
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,400
the house and how she's nervous or scared to set

524
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,799
in house, set foot in the house again because she's

525
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:07,119
pushed these memories deep inside her and she doesn't really

526
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,960
remember a ton except not liking the house. Uh.

527
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,599
Speaker 2: They finally get to the hotel and right away.

528
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: Carna is like, oh, the smell has gotten worse, but

529
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,839
they just don't notice it. Yeah, I'm like okay, And

530
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,839
once again she's deep in her thoughts thinking about how

531
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:27,759
her papa tried to burn the house down the night

532
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:33,039
her also, Okay, we don't get a clear picture of

533
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,079
how the house then last night on the house, how

534
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,799
that happened. But I get I understand Antonia doesn't have

535
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,039
her full memories. Yeah, and we don't get a clear

536
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:43,720
picture of the house. We get these tiny little snippets

537
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,000
and it's like, maybe like one third into it or

538
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,759
something that you realize she doesn't have all her memories

539
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:51,559
that she has a hard time remembering, like it's not

540
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:53,599
right away, so it's right and like you're like, what

541
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,279
the hell? Yeah, I think I don't actually have to

542
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,839
remember how soon. It's not right away, But she meant

543
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,799
she is like, I don't remember everything from you know that.

544
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,000
I think maybe, yeah, so we she is deeper thoughts

545
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,799
thinking about how her papa had tried to burn the

546
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:14,119
house down the night her mom died and her and

547
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,960
Carmela were still inside, and so you know, we learned

548
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,759
that little piece of it, and we get these little

549
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,519
snippets that night that her mom died.

550
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,279
Speaker 2: And then.

551
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: Oh that's why she said, because I was like, why

552
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:28,480
is she thinking about this right now as they're entering

553
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:30,440
the party? Is what I'm wondering Half the time, I'm

554
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,279
like why is she bringing this up right now? But okay,

555
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:35,960
so she stopped Padre Juan and that's why she's thinking

556
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:42,359
about because is the one who did the exorcism. Yes, yes,

557
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,279
and that was the last time she stop Padre Juan

558
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:50,640
her father's exorcism. But again that's like all that's that's

559
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,160
the last we hear about that exorcism. And so now

560
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,400
she's out of her thoughts. She greets Pather Juan and

561
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:01,200
Don Pereira. Dona Pereira seems to be a decade younger

562
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,680
than when she last saw her.

563
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: It's little weird.

564
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: Which they mentioned quite a bit too, like it was

565
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,799
suspicious already. Really yeah, my bells were ringing, like okay,

566
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:13,799
why did she look younger?

567
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,079
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah.

568
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,319
Speaker 1: And so then Antonia tells padre Juan how surprised she

569
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,079
used to see him at a party, and he's like, well,

570
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:23,920
I'm here to bless the place, and then right away

571
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,160
Dona Peeda steps in and he's like.

572
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,079
Speaker 2: That's one of my closest friends. He'll always be welcome.

573
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: Hereto, and I'm like all right, like calm down, calm down,

574
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,960
Like why are you coming with coming out Antonia with

575
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:42,799
this energy? Yeah, coming out it was weird. And then

576
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:47,279
Antonia's dad, Ricado, thanks Donia Peda for the invite. Antonia,

577
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,920
I know this fuck already, and then she she sees

578
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,519
a cutie across the room. Donia Perea introduces this cut

579
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,559
as Alexandro Sole, a reporter sent from Lanota to cover

580
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,440
this opening, the grand opening, and then Regardo was like, oh, Alejo,

581
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,559
what a pleasure, and Antonia's like, Alejo, why the fuck

582
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,759
do you know him? Like she's like so perplexed by this,

583
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,000
and I'm like, why are you so like perplexed by this?

584
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,480
Like your parents, I know, people you don't remember, especially

585
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,759
with your memory issues, Like she faces like a everything

586
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,079
is like a dramatic thought to her, but you know what,

587
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,039
nothing is that We're like, yeah, the more I think

588
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:29,319
about it, that's also part of the Gothic uh horror genre.

589
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,599
Or her not knowing and not trusting those around her. No,

590
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,240
her being like frantic and anxious, oh oh yeah yeah,

591
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:40,920
because you're right a little too worried about why her

592
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,119
dad knows him. Yeah. Ricardo tells her Handro that he

593
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,920
thought he was working at rad and then that name

594
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,279
suddenly brings back memories for Antonia. She remembers that her

595
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:55,039
mom collected the magazine and that that magazine fed her

596
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:59,240
fascination with Tekanama Falls, a fascination that killed her, and

597
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:01,960
we never reach into that thought. How did the magazine

598
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,480
do this? I don't think that comes up again. I

599
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:09,680
don't think so, but I guess just from like thinking

600
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,000
about it right now, it's like she read about it's

601
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,519
like a paranormal type magazine, and so we got her

602
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:15,160
more into that.

603
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,039
Speaker 2: I guess. I don't know, but we.

604
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,799
Speaker 1: Learned by the end of the book it's not even

605
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:22,000
the case. She was all she was destined to be

606
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:26,519
obsessed with this place. Yeah, it was written in the stars.

607
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:34,680
So at some point she gots out of her head

608
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,079
again and she tells son Peda that she can hardly

609
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,160
tell it was ever a house. And then she's thinking

610
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,400
to herself like, oh, I still see like our stuff here,

611
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:46,480
or like I can still see how it was a house,

612
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:48,599
right like. She's going on about this, and then Lona

613
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,839
Peda interrupts her thoughts again and she's like, well, that's

614
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,920
because it's no longer a house, silly, And she thinks

615
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:02,599
she's stay that yeah, it's a hotel. Yeah, and so yeah,

616
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,079
they walk around the hotel, the smell is apparently worse.

617
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,960
Donia Perreira asks Antonia what she thinks of the inscience,

618
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,240
and Antonia ignores the question because she's once again remembering

619
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:14,000
the past, something she will do.

620
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:17,279
Speaker 2: A lot more. She's always in her head that one.

621
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,359
Speaker 1: I'm just dying out like like people, I'm just picturing

622
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,119
people waiting for her to answer, and as someone who

623
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:28,359
like misses people because I'm like thinking about other things.

624
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: Like I get it.

625
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,359
Speaker 1: But oh my god, this is why I would be

626
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:41,559
the worst character. He said, Hey yourself, I'm just kidding. Yeah, no, no,

627
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:43,599
I would be the worst because I'd be like what

628
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,000
But then in the middle of in the middle of

629
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:48,839
someone responding, I realize that I know what they said,

630
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:55,440
and then I answer while they're talking now while they're talking,

631
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,880
or I don't hear what they said, and I just

632
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,000
smile and nod and I never asked what they say

633
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:05,839
that again yeah, and like mm hmm yeah anyway, so yeah,

634
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:09,599
she ignores the yahid ask question, and she starts remembering

635
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,000
about how her mom looked at the waterfall every morning,

636
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:14,719
and how she would talk about how the place held

637
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,440
so much power, and I think it sounds so cool. Oh,

638
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:22,000
I honestly believe that it sounds very cool, although it

639
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,559
is very haunted according to legend and the people who've

640
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:28,079
been there. But yeah, this place holds so much power

641
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,159
and meaning to the Muiscap people. And then others came

642
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,599
to corrupt this sacred land. And she would talk about Bochica,

643
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,679
the heroin of the Muiscap people, and how they would

644
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:41,239
go to Tekanama Falls to worship her, thanking them, thanking

645
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,960
her for giving them life. And see, I feel like

646
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,800
that could have been written in a way where you

647
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,599
hear the story as she's telling it, but instead you're

648
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,880
hearing it like if I'm telling it to you, you

649
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,480
know what I mean?

650
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

651
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,639
Speaker 1: So Antonia would be like, oh my gosh, she was

652
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,360
a woman, and then Estella would be like, she's whatever

653
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,039
you need her to be.

654
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: But it's like, okay, she's a woman. Just say that.

655
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,079
Speaker 1: Since says she's like, she is whatever you need her

656
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:13,480
to be. And I guess it depends who you ask history.

657
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,800
After all, it's written by men. And then you think

658
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,079
it's gonna be over there, but she continues, but I

659
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,400
believe we can rewrite it. Nothing is ever set in

660
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:25,639
stone and it's like, Okay, yeah, I mean what you're

661
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:27,920
saying is right, but just say yeah, she's a goddess,

662
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,719
she's a woman, fuck.

663
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: All right.

664
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: And then Antonia continues to think about how she cherished

665
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,320
these stories blah blah blah. And then somehow this ends

666
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,079
in her saying, God, Malla, what's her heroine? And I'm like, well, yeah,

667
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,639
she's the She's the queen. She is the person who

668
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,639
does everything for he. She keeps the family together and running. Yeah,

669
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,320
and we're back in the party now, out of her

670
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,039
head in the party. When she steps in the ballroom,

671
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:59,760
she feels unsettled, like she's being watched and like scratching

672
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,320
our her neck, which ooh, probably the scariest.

673
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,199
Speaker 2: Part in the book, honestly. Yeah.

674
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: Suddenly the party's gone, replaced by the scent of fresh blood.

675
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:15,079
Goosebumps spread through her. Fear strikes her, immobilizing her, and

676
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,440
then there's these human like creatures covered in mud. She's

677
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:22,400
by the waterfall. Suddenly bloony fingers wrap around her neck

678
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,159
from behind. She feels pain, but bam, she's back on

679
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,559
the party. She runs back to the lobby, but then

680
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:33,840
ends up upstairs in a room with a bunch of

681
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,079
books and stuff, and it turns out this is most

682
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,320
of her mom's stuff. She grabs one of the books,

683
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,320
opens it, immediately recognizes it as her mom's handwriting. And

684
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:47,679
where we arrive at another journal entry, this one from

685
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,719
the twenty one of December in nineteen thirty one, and

686
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,320
in this one, Estella is talking about how she saw

687
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,679
a pair of red eyes staring back at her in

688
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,800
the dark, and somehow she had been locked in her

689
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,320
safe space, her sanctuary, her that room that was hers,

690
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:04,679
and that.

691
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: She didn't feel safe.

692
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: And then it ends the journal entry and now we're back,

693
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:16,119
you know, in the present with Antonia, and it's cut

694
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,000
off with the words Estella saying like that she needed

695
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:22,320
to run, I'm not going to die tonight. I think

696
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,239
it's like the last part of that journal entry. And

697
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,360
Antonia she reads this her, you know, her hands are shaking.

698
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,840
She wonders if there could be more hidden pages in

699
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,440
the house. But she returns to the party and there

700
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:38,639
were hundreds of questions running through her mind and she

701
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,079
felt like everyone was judging her and looking at her.

702
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:45,639
They probably were right, or maybe she's just exaggerating. I

703
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,239
feel like she's an exaggerator. Well, I think that she's

704
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,880
like a pariah in the town for her dad because

705
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,320
of what happened in all the drama that was involved. Yeah,

706
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,400
be plus her mom died. Her mom is dead, which

707
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,639
we hear going back. And then suddenly she's thinking about

708
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:08,039
how she dreamed of seeing Europe and instead she's stuck

709
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:12,280
taking care of her dad after this hotel deal or whatever,

710
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,320
and she's being haunted by her past and all the

711
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,800
what ifs. And then she finds and Carmela is like, bela,

712
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,440
where the hell have you been Locaton?

713
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: The hell you been Loca.

714
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: Exactly like that a direct quote from the book. And

715
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:33,639
she's like, we were supposed to look after your dad

716
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:35,159
and you disappeared for half an hour.

717
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: Everything I get is on my shoulders. I'm doing my

718
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:40,199
fucking job.

719
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Antonette came back looking like aha mess, that's

720
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,440
why people were staring at her, honestly, yeah, not because

721
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,280
of everything else. And then Antonia tells her she was

722
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,199
dancing and enjoying herself, and Karamela doesn't believe it. She

723
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,280
looks like fucking ship. She lots scared as fuck eyes

724
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,880
like this, like when you sweating panting. Yeah, the color

725
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,440
had gone from her face. Yeah, Bali, then shit, yes, yes,

726
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,760
and then Garmeta tells her that she missed Donata's five

727
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,000
minute toast, which was an agonizing nightmare, and that doesn't.

728
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: Seem that long.

729
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: I'll rather be for real haunted. No, yeah, I'd rather

730
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,199
fallen off the waterfahone. So Garmela asks if she's enjoying

731
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,559
the party because she was just dancing, and then Antonia,

732
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:28,880
like a fucking weirdo, is likeugh, no, how can I

733
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,400
be enjoying myself? And everyone is scrutinizing me and telling

734
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,320
me I'm sorry for your last and it's like, well, bitch,

735
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,519
you just told Goarmeda you were dancing. I'm so tired

736
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:39,440
I can with her.

737
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 2: She is the drama.

738
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: She is the problem, yeah, because it's like if you

739
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,119
told me you were just dancing and then I'm like,

740
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:50,920
oh yeah, and then this happened, but yeah, so you're

741
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,519
having a good time, right, and then you're like.

742
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: No, I'm always dead. She's dead.

743
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: She's dead.

744
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: Going back, and then everyone is asking me how I'm doing,

745
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:04,639
and then they're sorry for my loss and it's been.

746
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:09,079
Speaker 1: Three fucking years, right, and so then my response would

747
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:11,920
have been like, oh, you just said you were dancing.

748
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,280
But then Carmela says, the same people telling her this.

749
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:24,119
Now we're calling her Mama Bluca after she died. Yeah, okay,

750
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,199
old people aren't two faced, no. Yeah, And this rumor, yeah,

751
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,719
began because people started believing that El Castillochica was haunted,

752
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,800
which yeah, it was. It's always been haunted. Yeah, since

753
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:39,119
the since the time for the realization.

754
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

755
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:43,519
Speaker 1: And then Antonio was like, I never cared what people

756
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:46,239
said about my mom, but now she's full of questions,

757
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,960
and you know what, she'll have all these thoughts to herself,

758
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,199
and she she'll repeat her thoughts to like out loud,

759
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,960
to yeah, so we hear whatever, Yeah, yeah, like why

760
00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:58,920
and how she diing?

761
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: What really happened? Again? We have are we heard this?

762
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna hear it again and again and again.

763
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:04,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

764
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:08,119
Speaker 1: So she tells Kama she needs to see the waterfall again,

765
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,719
and then she has a flashback to the night her

766
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,280
mom died. That something had distracted her from her parents

767
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:20,519
momentarily before her mom jumped, and she only knew that

768
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,960
she jumped because her dad says she jumped something that

769
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:26,679
she did not believe at all, and then her dad

770
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,199
would be like, you can't know that. She wouldn't jump.

771
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,800
She jumped like she did jump.

772
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: And then Antonio would be like.

773
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:35,599
Speaker 1: No, she's suspicious of her dad. Yeah, but sorry, we

774
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,760
in short, she's suspicious of her dad. But we go

775
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,920
on for a few pages of this back and forth. Yeah,

776
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,840
and he's like, no one pushed her, And then she's like, push,

777
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:47,960
I never mentioned a push.

778
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,559
Speaker 2: Did you push her? Yeah?

779
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: And this happens again like in the later on. Yeah,

780
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:57,760
it's just like how do you get from A to B? Yeah,

781
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,199
she's like going from A to Z without thinks king

782
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,519
of other things in between, especially because she read the

783
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:05,840
journal entry about her mom having been locked.

784
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:07,519
Speaker 2: In the room, but her mom writes something not.

785
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: Locked me in the book, like or in my sanctuary

786
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:14,199
or whatever in my room she says something, but she

787
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,280
immediately jumps on her dad having done this. Then she's bob.

788
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:25,119
She's brought back to the present because Caramela is like hello, hello,

789
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,360
mm hmmm, yes I'm here, So she's like sorry. Carmela

790
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,320
is like, hey, we don't need to go to the waterfall.

791
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,159
Actually we need to go look for your dad, Like

792
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,679
we said we were going to watch him and I'm

793
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:46,039
doing it by myself. Yeah, and again, I need to

794
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:47,840
know how long people are there waiting for her to

795
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:53,239
like finish before they're like hey, but no, Antonia ignores

796
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,639
Carmela because she ignores everyone in this book.

797
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,639
Speaker 2: It's insane.

798
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, she just does whatever the what she wants.

799
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:04,480
She ignores Carmela and heads to the balcony, but she's

800
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:09,119
interrupted by the Muiska mural that had been painted by Estella,

801
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:10,079
her mom.

802
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a mural of.

803
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: The waterfall and it's showing the Muiska men that are

804
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,119
being swallowed by the mist. But then they rise up

805
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:24,199
as one of the largest birds, the condor, a type

806
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,159
of vulture that lives in the Andes. And this is

807
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,920
the legend and we talked about it in our episode

808
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,679
of fifty three or fifty four. This is a depiction

809
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,679
of the legend of the Muiska people who chose to

810
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,199
die and escape colonization in this way because it was

811
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,880
better than colonization. Until they believe that they would jump

812
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,559
down the waterfall into freedom and once they jumped, they

813
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,920
would become birds. Butchka, the goddess would turn them into birds,

814
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,079
and it was like returning home, and it's because Bochica

815
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:56,159
had already saved them once from death at that waterfall.

816
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,400
The legend is that there was this giant flood and

817
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:03,760
the goddess made this patch of land that they could

818
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,760
all stand in while everything was being flooded. And now

819
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,960
the waterfall was there, and that piece of land is

820
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:13,599
what is still there from saving them, and they didn't

821
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:15,679
drown because she saved them. So she saved them once.

822
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,119
If they jump off this again, she's gonna save them again.

823
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:21,760
It's a beautiful legend. Yeah, sad and beautiful. And that's

824
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,679
what she was suspected by the painting of the depiction

825
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,199
of this legend. And so she's looking at this painting

826
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,639
and she's like, okay, we Chica, well you didn't give

827
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:33,599
my mom wings. Instead, she's dead.

828
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: She's dead. She they were coming back, but she didn't

829
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,119
save her. Yeah. Well you know what I get. I get.

830
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,440
I think you people do this with God too. Yeah.

831
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course she's gonna do it. I just it's this,

832
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,760
like the tenth time we hear this sentence.

833
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:52,599
Speaker 2: That's why we're like low.

834
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: KEI like maybe even her, because man, she's a little insufferable.

835
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: She is the problem, she's the drama. Yeah.

836
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like you would think that was enough

837
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,519
to convey that she is upset, but Chica or like, okay,

838
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,239
if you were a goddess, why is my mom dead? Right?

839
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,480
Like that was enough, but no, then she says, why

840
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:18,320
didn't Butchika save my mom if she was a devoted

841
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,199
worshiper And it's like, okay, that was kind of already said,

842
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,719
but then it's see what you're saying. Yeah, and then

843
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,760
she goes on to talk about how her mom was

844
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,239
such a devoted mom before they moved to the Casna,

845
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,760
and then she became more and more obsessed with the house,

846
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:40,079
and Dounia Preia encouraged this obsession, and that in the

847
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:42,880
year before her mom died, she hardly came out of

848
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,559
her room because she was so busy with the obsession

849
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:49,079
of the house, and she had mood swings.

850
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:50,199
Speaker 2: She would feel better.

851
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: When they were away from the house for days at

852
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,960
a time, but then when they were back, she would

853
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,159
immediately return to being obsessed with the falls and the house.

854
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,880
And yeah, I mean at first you're like why, but

855
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:04,880
by the end, dude, this is very clear.

856
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

857
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,599
Speaker 1: And then Carmela's like Hello, are you listening to me?

858
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,360
And she wasn't because she never is. She's always ignoring

859
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,519
her and ignoring everyone. Yeah, and so Carmela is like,

860
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:17,199
stop running away from me like that, because I'm old

861
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,599
and I can't chase you anymore. Antonio tell Carmela that

862
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,559
she has to see the waterfalls again, and then they go.

863
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:26,920
When they're there, she wants again, thinks of her mom

864
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,559
the night her mom jumped deep her thoughts until Carmela

865
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:32,360
is like, all right, let's go. We've left your father

866
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:36,440
long enough. And then Antonia tells Carmela that she doesn't

867
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:39,880
think her mom phil or that anyone pushed her. But

868
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:41,960
she's like, well, if my dad was so close, why

869
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,000
didn't he stop her? And now they're back to the party.

870
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:48,679
Suddenly her dad is her number one suspect. When it's like, okay,

871
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,760
you just told Caramela you didn't they anyone pushed her?

872
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,960
And then she sees her dad and she's like, yeah,

873
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:53,559
he pushed her.

874
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

875
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: She wonders if his love was so intoxicated that he

876
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,159
could have killed her, And I was like, why are

877
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:07,119
you wondering that? How did you arrive here? Take a

878
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:13,159
few steps back? She jumped into conclusions like her mom

879
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:23,599
jumped into a sound No she did, No, she did,

880
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:30,519
but that was crazy to say, I'm not thinking straight.

881
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:34,000
I'm sorry, I've been through it today.

882
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: Okay she has.

883
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then I'm then I go to the bar

884
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,960
and asked for the strongest drink that the guy has.

885
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,119
The bartender and he's like, are you becoming of a

886
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,440
woman in this time? She should have never asked for this?

887
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: How dare she? So He's like, are you alone?

888
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: A senorita like yourself should never be drinking alone. It's

889
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,519
not recommended. And she's like, okay, well I'm not a

890
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:03,880
signorita bitch, I'm a basically, And yeah, of course that

891
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:04,639
anchored her.

892
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

893
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: Alejandro then walks up to her and they talk for

894
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,639
a bit. He's like to him, she's so rude. I'm like,

895
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:15,440
wach whatever, I guess she's been through it. That night

896
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,960
she was kind of like, looky haunted, So I probably

897
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,159
would have been rude to not gonna lie. Yeah, yeah,

898
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,599
you're right, I'm okay with this now. At first I'm like,

899
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:30,239
you gage, you know what a man? But no, now

900
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:30,880
I understand.

901
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: Thank you for.

902
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: Bring me back calling me in calling you in thank you,

903
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,760
you're welcome, and so yeah, he wants to interview her

904
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,280
and she doesn't want to. Obviously, he's like insisting and

905
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,360
she's like, go start it reeling. You should know that

906
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:50,920
when she leaves and she's standing in the courtyard and

907
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:53,280
she's like, we need to leave. But then she's like,

908
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,639
you know what, I'm not scared of your house leaving yet.

909
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,480
Then she sees a dead to hit a snake and

910
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,800
its moments really freaked out. But then she's like brought

911
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,840
back because she hears doing Yareida Cathleen at something with

912
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:14,400
Padaraquan mm hmm, and then doing Preda walks up to her,

913
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,559
tells her, your dad looks so much better since your mom,

914
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,039
and then Anthonia interrupts that and it's like, so she

915
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:26,440
killed herself, you know what? Like she she's kind of

916
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,800
funny in that way that people are like skirting around

917
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:34,079
her mom throwing herself into you know what. I mean,

918
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:39,159
she's not she's not, she's sure to be. She doesn't

919
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:40,840
have to be polite, she doesn't have to be a

920
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,480
woman about this, like yeah, yeah, and also she's not

921
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:47,760
sure exactly what happened either, but she's like tired of people.

922
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 2: It's pity.

923
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: And so she's all like, oh, you mean says she

924
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,920
killed herself, which.

925
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: Is kind of funny.

926
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, but you know what, now that we're

927
00:49:56,039 --> 00:50:01,159
talking here, I'm like, god, wait, wait, my fan, sometimes

928
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,960
you have to talk things through, you know what. Yeah,

929
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,320
and don never forgive me.

930
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:07,559
Speaker 2: I kind of get it.

931
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:14,199
Speaker 1: I kind of get it now. And then yeah, I

932
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,199
was like, well, it was a hard time for him.

933
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,440
She seemed fine that day. And then Antonia was like,

934
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,519
wait a minute, you saw.

935
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: Her that day?

936
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: What? And yeah, that is actually a relevation, that revelation

937
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,159
that I understand her reaction to, unlike her, like, why

938
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,920
do you know what A handle like this one I understand, Like, yeah,

939
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:32,800
this one is true?

940
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: Like what excuse me?

941
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,639
Speaker 1: What? What her reaction is valid here? Yeah, And so

942
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,840
she's frazzled by this revelation and she tells that she

943
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,599
needs to leave. She excuses herself, and then she feels

944
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:46,880
like someone is following her. She's like hello, and then

945
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,119
she hears a loud.

946
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 2: Leave mm hmmm.

947
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: And she's scared, but she's not ready to face her

948
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,639
dad yet because she still thinks her dad pushed her

949
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:56,119
mom for no reason.

950
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

951
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: So she goes upstairs and set back to the party,

952
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,800
and she's in the same room that she had been

953
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,360
in before. She finds another journal, but this one is

954
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:10,559
in Chichiba, the language of the Muiska people, and it's

955
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:12,280
in her own handwriting, and she's like, wait a minute,

956
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,840
I don't, I don't. I didn't learn this, and that's trippy.

957
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,320
Things are getting weird and and you're she's like what,

958
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,079
And then you're like what. Both of us were like

959
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:24,239
what what? Yeah, And she quickly folds the paper and

960
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,239
puts in her pocket and then goes back to the party.

961
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:28,559
She and I were both wondering how long the party

962
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:32,000
had been going on. I was just gonna say, to

963
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,480
this party, feel like it lasted forever. I was like, damn,

964
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:44,400
we've already for real, it's been it's been that way, yeah, way.

965
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,880
And then she runs into her done and it's like,

966
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,280
all right, we need to go. We doesn't want to

967
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,199
because he never listens to her, just like she never

968
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,039
listens to anyone.

969
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: That's where she gets it from.

970
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:58,159
Speaker 1: And then instead of thinking that's where I get her from,

971
00:51:58,199 --> 00:51:59,840
she's like, and he never listened to my mom.

972
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:10,519
Speaker 2: Then she wonders again, saying things like that, That's how

973
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:13,880
I hurt them, That's how I heard them, and the

974
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:19,960
movie playing in my head A Little Face you never

975
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:20,800
listened to, Bro.

976
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:27,559
Speaker 1: And then Carmela is like, listen to Antonia and he's

977
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:31,760
like no. She begs him again, telling him that the house,

978
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,320
this place changes him and he's like.

979
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,159
Speaker 2: No, I'm staying.

980
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,199
Speaker 1: And she's that and then suddenly, like the tenth time,

981
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,679
she's like, we need to go and he's like no.

982
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,639
Speaker 2: She's like, well, well, I know mom was murdered. I

983
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:52,239
don't know where her dad musn't been like what where's

984
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,440
this coming from? Yeah.

985
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:57,039
Speaker 1: He was like you're chasing shadows and you're acting just

986
00:52:57,159 --> 00:53:00,519
like your mom. And then he repeats that he's not leaving,

987
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,760
and then the argument's over. She's like fine, and then

988
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,679
she hears something say leave, leave, leave, but scary. That

989
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:17,719
wasn't scary, and then she's in her thoughts again. She

990
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,480
remembers the night that her mom died and when her

991
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:23,960
body was found, and Haldoya Parida made her look at

992
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,280
her mom's body, telling her she needed to do that

993
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,719
for closure, and I'm like okay, like yeah, paida fucking

994
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,159
where was it Ricarathold doing all this, like why wasn't

995
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:32,960
he like, let her do this in her own time?

996
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:37,119
Speaker 2: Like kill you know? Where do we seeing? I was like,

997
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,039
look at your mom, look at her body, look at

998
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:42,599
her look away, you need to look.

999
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,119
Speaker 1: And then suddenly, as she's thinking about this, she walks

1000
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:49,679
into a dead body on the fourth floor. And I'm

1001
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:54,320
not sure if I'm just like dumb or this part

1002
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,320
wasn't super clear to me, Like, no, the dead body

1003
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:56,679
is real.

1004
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,159
Speaker 2: This is the one that they no, no, no.

1005
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: Her flashback and her fighting the body seems so intertwined

1006
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,639
that I couldn't tell if it was still a flashback.

1007
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,840
But that might just me be a me problem, honestly,

1008
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,760
I think, so, okay, that's right, Tom. I've even read

1009
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,280
it again when I was doing these notes, and I

1010
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,159
was like, I don't really, it wasn't clear enough to me.

1011
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,559
I thought she was still in the past and it

1012
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:19,760
was her mom's body that she stumbles upon. But no,

1013
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,679
it's a fresh body, fresh dead body, and so anyway,

1014
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,960
she's back in the president. She sees the dead body,

1015
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,199
and then her dad is also with the dead body,

1016
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,320
and she thinks something's wrong with her dad. But and

1017
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,280
then she realizes that this dead man is the mayor's

1018
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,480
chief of staff, Carlos Lopez, and then she feels the

1019
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:40,920
corpse grab her hand and say it begins again, and

1020
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,280
she's like no, no, no, no, no to herself, and

1021
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,599
then Alexandro is like, Antonia, the five oz is on

1022
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,000
their way. They're gonna get your poppy. We need to

1023
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:51,440
get him out of here, and she's like in shock,

1024
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:52,360
still ignoring him.

1025
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,039
Speaker 2: Again. She ignores a lot of people, but she's a

1026
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:57,199
shock here. No, no, no, this time she's in shock.

1027
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:02,440
This sameon Salad. He's like, this guy is dead. Antonia, awake.

1028
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,599
We need to get out of here. Your puppy was

1029
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:08,280
the only witness. It's not gonna look good. We need

1030
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,000
to move him.

1031
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: And she continues to ignore him, and then she's like no,

1032
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,719
I need to know what happened. And her dad's not

1033
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,679
talking either, and then Leon gets there so fast with

1034
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,039
the police and they take.

1035
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:27,039
Speaker 2: Away her dad. She hears the word murder, murderer.

1036
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: Sorry, murderer again and again in her mind and I

1037
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:31,159
think it's out louder. They gets turned in her mind

1038
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:33,280
and then she's like, oh, yeah, my dad did it,

1039
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,159
and I'm like, damn, girl, give him the benefit of

1040
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:39,280
the doubt and she follows behind us a popo is

1041
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,000
taking him away, and then Carmela when everyone at the

1042
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:45,760
party sees them walking down the stairs and him being

1043
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,159
taken away. If there wasn't rumors about them before, and

1044
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,159
there was, they're even worse now exactly. Kamina was like

1045
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:58,400
what happened? And Antonia ignores her again and then she

1046
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,840
just repeats it begins again, and Karla has been like

1047
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,320
what the fuck? Alejandro tells her that she needs to

1048
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,760
go now, like go be with your dad, don't trust anyone,

1049
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,280
And for some reason, all she can think of was

1050
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,079
this in this moment, is that he still wants to

1051
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:16,480
interview her. And I'm like, she's he's telling you to

1052
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:19,480
leave and with your dad, and You're like, he wants

1053
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:21,719
an interview, that's all he wants from me, his story.

1054
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,079
I'm like, how did you get there?

1055
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:32,559
Speaker 2: Again? Girl? Jump into the conclusions? Cat.

1056
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: It takes her three hours to get to the prison

1057
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:38,199
and Bogata. She wants to see her dad, but the

1058
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,320
police is like, nope, he can only see his lawyer.

1059
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,760
And Leon was already there because he left with them.

1060
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,719
He accompanied them when he was first arrested, and then

1061
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:51,039
Leon tells Antonia he's going to take care of it,

1062
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:53,320
and that her dad would not want her to see

1063
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,559
him like this, and that a Signorita does not belong there,

1064
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,079
which of course makes her so angry.

1065
00:56:58,159 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: She cannot hear this word.

1066
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: You cannot tell her anything mm hmm, because she's going

1067
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,119
to be like no, and she's right though, she she

1068
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:10,159
should be allowed to see her dad, like please. There's

1069
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:12,079
a bunch of back and forth. She's finally able to

1070
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,360
see her dad and the first thing he tells her

1071
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,039
is I didn't kill that man. It was the house,

1072
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:20,159
but she doesn't want to hear it. And then he's like,

1073
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:22,679
we made a mistake. We should have never gone back there.

1074
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,239
That hotel shouldn't even exist. The whole place used to

1075
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,519
be burned down or there will be more deaths. We

1076
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:29,559
should have never rented it out. We were never meant

1077
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:34,320
to be there. And he's like, I should have listened

1078
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:40,360
to you, and Antonia is like, oh no, no, I

1079
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,719
should have listened to her. Yeah, he says I should

1080
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,760
have listened to her, and Antonia is like, who, old man,

1081
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:46,800
what are you talking about?

1082
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:47,559
Speaker 2: Who is her?

1083
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,119
Speaker 1: I feel like she she should yessed it was his Yeah,

1084
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,960
I'm like, she should have known it was her mom. Yeah,

1085
00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:58,519
he's also going to be talking about right, That's what

1086
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:01,639
I thought. But no. So then she demands the truth

1087
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:04,559
from him, and he again blames the house and she's like,

1088
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:06,679
what happened to my mom the night she passed away?

1089
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:08,960
And then he was like she was sick, She felt

1090
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,079
like she had no choice and she had to jump.

1091
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,320
And then she's so over his hit. She's like, stop,

1092
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,280
it told me the truth.

1093
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:16,079
Speaker 2: You pushed her.

1094
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:24,239
Speaker 1: And he's like no, He's like, goddamn it, God. And

1095
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,400
then he tells her that he and Alejandro found the

1096
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,599
chief of staff dead and she's like, wait, he was

1097
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:33,880
with you. He didn't tell me anything, which, yeah, that

1098
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,360
would be like, okay, why didn't he say anything? And

1099
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,920
so it turns out that they had agreed to meet

1100
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,239
on the fourth floor for an interview and they heard

1101
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,400
voices and whispers behind a locked door. They knocked, and

1102
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:46,360
when they were about to leave, they heard someone scream.

1103
00:58:46,639 --> 00:58:49,559
They split up to find another way. Actually she didn't

1104
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:51,079
know this yet, but they had split up when the

1105
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:53,400
scream happened to find another way into the room, and

1106
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,119
in those five minutes is when the guy was found dead.

1107
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,840
So Alejandro is not an actual witness because he had

1108
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:03,239
walked away for those five minutes, and he says he

1109
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,159
doesn't her dad.

1110
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: Now we're back here.

1111
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: Her dad doesn't remember anything after they heard the scream.

1112
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,960
He just remembers waking up in her arms covered in blood.

1113
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:17,760
But she's still not convinced. And then then we see

1114
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,159
her at work the next day, the same day. I'm

1115
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:22,559
not sure, honestly, it has to be the next day.

1116
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:25,719
They work up party. No, no, no. The next day,

1117
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:28,920
after she's at the jail, she goes to see him

1118
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,000
in jail. She goes to jail right after leaving the party. Oh, okay,

1119
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:33,400
so this is the next day.

1120
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:34,039
Speaker 2: Ye got it.

1121
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:37,599
Speaker 1: Okay, She's at work the next day, she's apologizing to

1122
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:43,599
Madre for not meeting her weekly schedule, and Madre is like, well,

1123
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:48,559
your dad was just arrested, And somehow Antonia is surprised

1124
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:51,039
that she already knows. And I'm like, he was arrested

1125
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:53,760
at the party to be the grand opening the hotel

1126
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:57,400
Actuary Hotel. Yeah, like, how can this be surprising to you?

1127
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,840
Plus bothered? Whatever was there, pa Juan? Yeah, And I

1128
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,559
would assume just because he's a bather and she's a madre.

1129
01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:06,559
Speaker 2: They would know each other.

1130
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she promises to go back to her regular

1131
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:13,719
schedule next week and to make up all the missing work,

1132
01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:18,000
and madre A is like, actually stay home, and Antonia

1133
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:20,320
is again shocked for some reason, and I'm like, I

1134
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,639
think it's reasonable that she would expect you not to

1135
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:23,760
come to work during all this.

1136
01:00:24,239 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1137
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:26,719
Speaker 1: One, this is in the nineteen thirties. This is a

1138
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,679
Catholic institution. Your dad was just arrested, whether he's guilty

1139
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:31,920
or not.

1140
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: And she's like, well he's not guilty.

1141
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,639
Speaker 1: And she's like okay, but the parents like, ye're concerned

1142
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,079
and it makes sense to me, but it doesn't make

1143
01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:42,679
sense to Antonia. Yeah, she shook even though she was

1144
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:43,880
dreaming about getting fired.

1145
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: It's you wanted, Like who do you want?

1146
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: Then that you wanted this right, so then mad because

1147
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,960
Antonia is like basically like arguing so much. She's like, fine,

1148
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,800
you can stay as long as you get your shit together,

1149
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,639
get a good lawyer, and don't talk to the press,

1150
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:01,519
and Antonia agrees. When she walks out of the school,

1151
01:01:01,519 --> 01:01:04,400
alone is there and offers her a ride home. She's like,

1152
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,960
why are you really here? And he proposes to her

1153
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:11,440
that they declare her dad mentally ill. What she doesn't

1154
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,039
want to do because she doesn't think he's guilty, but

1155
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:19,800
then she does, I don't know anyway. She goes back

1156
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,159
and forth like she she's questioning yeah, and he's like, no,

1157
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,360
but this is our only option because a mental institution

1158
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:31,719
is safer than prison. She asks again if he thinks

1159
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,920
her dad is guilty, and he dodges the answer like

1160
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:39,840
a professional truly. He also tells her that Alejandro and

1161
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,880
her dad were had been together, but they separated five

1162
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,480
minutes before the guy died, and that's when everything happened,

1163
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:49,760
and so or they found the guy dead, and so

1164
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:53,880
he Alejandro is not a viable witness to her dad

1165
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,920
being not guilty, And based on that, she's like, Okay,

1166
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,760
my dad's innocent because he couldn't have done that much

1167
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,800
damage to that body. He didn't have that time physical ability.

1168
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 2: To do that.

1169
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: No, because that guy was mingled, which yeah, final, at

1170
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,760
least finally she arrived to this conclusion, A reasonable conclusion, yes, finally,

1171
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:19,360
a factual conclusion, yeah, based in reality. And Leana is like,

1172
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,760
it's our only option, think about it, but she yeah,

1173
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:29,800
she doesn't want to understandable. Once she's back home, she

1174
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,239
tells Caramela that she thinks Lane is hiding something, and

1175
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,800
she calls Alexandro. He gave her his phone number when

1176
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,519
they all this took place. Yeah, and so you know

1177
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:42,880
he answers. So he tells her he will help her

1178
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:47,039
in exchange for her story, and she agrees, and then

1179
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:50,760
he reveals that he thinks they walked into some sort

1180
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,360
of blood ritual, which I mean, yeah, maybe because the

1181
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,000
guy was pretty messed up. And so then they make

1182
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,400
a plan to return to the hotel because Antonia feels

1183
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,800
like the answer is late in the journal entries from

1184
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,760
her mom like this is somehow all connected and they're

1185
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,800
in luck because that same night is the Blukas party, even.

1186
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:13,559
Speaker 2: Though there was just a fucking death at the hotel.

1187
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even she doesn't give a fuck, so I

1188
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:19,840
will add, Okay, So I don't know, maybe it was

1189
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,320
different because this was an elite circles, but how many

1190
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,039
people were celebrating Halloween and Latin America. Oh yeah, I

1191
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:29,679
was wondering about that too, because I know for a

1192
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,559
fact that and In it wasn't celebrated. It's only recent. Yeah,

1193
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:37,320
and then even when our own mother was a child

1194
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:39,880
in Mexico, it was not celebrated at all.

1195
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:40,639
Speaker 2: I don't think.

1196
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,159
Speaker 1: I think in Mexico probably in the last what fifteen years,

1197
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:49,960
maybe twenty nacts is my guest. I remember when we

1198
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:54,159
were reading a Silver Nitrate. I forgot her the main

1199
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:58,639
character's name, but she complains about or Monterra complained about

1200
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:04,840
it started to see Halloween and Christmas decorations, yes.

1201
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: And that shit.

1202
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:11,239
Speaker 1: And I think, isn't that said in the nineties or eighties, yes, nineties, yeah, yeah,

1203
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,440
and that was Mexico. Yeah, gonna be us further further.

1204
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,719
But I also understand that elite people were very wanting

1205
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,800
to be very trune with very American American trends.

1206
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:22,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1207
01:04:22,239 --> 01:04:25,199
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm giving it the benefit of the

1208
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,800
down because I'm like, oh, yeah, that would make sense.

1209
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:31,199
So if and this was only on a people, elite people,

1210
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,199
so maybe it was a thing, because they even mentioned

1211
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:37,639
Halloween by name, and I'm like, I don't know, but maybe.

1212
01:04:38,679 --> 01:04:40,360
And so they make a plan to go in disguise,

1213
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,960
and at some point during all this, Carmela or after

1214
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:48,679
she hins up, Carmela knocks in Antonia's room and asks

1215
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,079
if she has seen Donia Perea's necklace because it was

1216
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:59,199
uh it had like us Oh sorry, pfore this Antonia

1217
01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:01,480
was asleep and she had an okay, moving on for them.

1218
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,199
Carmela knocks, she's always having nightmares. Also, yes, yeah, she

1219
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:07,320
just assumes she's having a nightmare.

1220
01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: One of the two.

1221
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: Those are her two stages, uh a sleeper dependent thoughts.

1222
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,920
So Garmela knox and asks Antonia if she has seen

1223
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,519
Dona Pareta's necklace because it was of a svetiva and

1224
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:24,960
this is an evil entity that Bochika is supposed to

1225
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,079
protect them from. And so when Carmela mentions the spetiva,

1226
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,199
Antonia has a memory of her mom. So I know,

1227
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,400
I can't forget in who Estella was because here she's

1228
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,400
like and then I thought of Estella And why would

1229
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,599
you say that if you're would you be in the

1230
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:43,880
first name basis with your mom? Yeah, so she has

1231
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,760
a memory of her mom. Her mom will selling her

1232
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,880
that a svetiva can't come into their house or into

1233
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,320
their family, that they're evil and they only come and

1234
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,800
called upon, they need to be summoned, and only bad

1235
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,159
people summon bad things. And she's like, why, Mom, why,

1236
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:01,000
And then her mom tells her those who summon svetivas

1237
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:03,800
think that it can do. Sevedia can give them joy,

1238
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,000
good fortune, anything they wanted, but there's a price that pays.

1239
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:09,320
This I thought of like making a deal with the

1240
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,199
demon basically, like all those stories.

1241
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

1242
01:06:12,199 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: And then Antonia realizes that Donia Perea did indeed have

1243
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,679
a svetiva necklace. And then Karamela is like, well it

1244
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,519
suits her because she's fucking evil. She's a buck a

1245
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:26,000
bitch basically. And then Antonia asks Caramela to go see

1246
01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:28,760
her dad in jail because her and Alejandro are leaving.

1247
01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:32,039
And then Caramela is like, oh, speaking of Alejandro, so

1248
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:34,280
good to see him after all these years. By the way,

1249
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:37,920
you knew each other as kids until Alejandro's mom died.

1250
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,519
And then she realizes or I don't even think she

1251
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:44,320
remembers this her by herself yet either. She says Carmela

1252
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,519
they have a plan to get her dad released, but

1253
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:48,920
doesn't want to tell her. No, it's like theeless, you know,

1254
01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:52,920
the better type of situation. And then Carmela leaves the

1255
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:56,360
room and Antonia stays here wondering if Tunjos the little

1256
01:06:56,519 --> 01:07:01,480
objects that made Caramela even bring up the vediva necklace

1257
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,480
if douncos hold more than just power, because yeah, she

1258
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:08,519
was holding one when Carala walked in and the guy

1259
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:12,199
said that. And then there's another general entry. Basically her

1260
01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:14,800
mom is Madrina if Antonia has light in the darkness,

1261
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,559
which just Lisa Antonia more confused. She's like, what do

1262
01:07:17,639 --> 01:07:19,360
you mean lay in the darkness? And she starts to

1263
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,519
believe she was the one who brought or summoned the svetiva,

1264
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,519
and she remembers the red eyes that have haunted her

1265
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:29,639
forever now and again recently, and then there's a four

1266
01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:34,400
hour drive. They are at Ensanto de Tekedama and now

1267
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:40,320
they're Lena and Manuelospina disguise in disguise, and while in

1268
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,599
the party, you know, she's looking around. There's more descriptions,

1269
01:07:43,679 --> 01:07:46,079
but she's looking around and she sees a woman holding

1270
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:48,679
a baby like doll. But then suddenly the eyes the

1271
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,840
doll's eyes turn red, and then everything smells weird, and

1272
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:52,480
she shears like.

1273
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 2: Oh, welcome home.

1274
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: Thing in her ear again ooh, and then she's like, oh, no,

1275
01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:01,880
I don't know that was. She's all frazzled. She thinks

1276
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,079
of her mom's journals and how the journals said that

1277
01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:09,920
Antonia was losing control of herself. She's all frazzled, and

1278
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,079
Alejandro steps away because she's like, girls, you.

1279
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: Need a drink.

1280
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: And then while they're they're like waiting, or she's waiting

1281
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,119
for Alejandro, a woman is like, oh, Antonia, Hi, I

1282
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:23,359
haven't seen it so long. Yeah, She's like, I don't

1283
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:27,399
know who Antonia is, and she doesn't recognize the woman either,

1284
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,239
so we don't never find out who this is.

1285
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. It's almost as if this didn't need

1286
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,319
to be in there. The cover was almost blown.

1287
01:08:37,159 --> 01:08:39,520
Speaker 1: I feel that we should know that their cover is

1288
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,560
in danger anyway. Yeah, you know whatever, that's just me.

1289
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,600
They talking for her. At some point she tells them

1290
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,039
she can't give them her story because she doesn't remember

1291
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:51,359
much at all. And I believe this is where we

1292
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:56,199
really really realize she only has pieces of her memories

1293
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,920
of her time in the house. And then she shows

1294
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,720
him the note that's rat in Cheechba, which he can read,

1295
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:05,239
and he tells her that it's an ancient prayer like

1296
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:08,800
a summons, and then she asks how much he knows

1297
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,640
about Spetibas, and he's like, well, they take hold of

1298
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,680
a place or torment one person. They haunt you at

1299
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,319
all times. You're not even safe from them when you're asleep. Uh.

1300
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,199
And then she's like, oh my god, I summoned a spetiba,

1301
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,600
which honestly is one of her more reasonable conclusions to

1302
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,520
jump to. Yeah, and as they're talking, a woman randomly

1303
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:35,600
recognizes Alejandro, and to get out of this woman talking

1304
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,239
to him, he just pulls Antonia in for a kiss,

1305
01:09:39,159 --> 01:09:42,560
and Dona Perda happened to be around, but she didn't

1306
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,560
see them when all this took place, and she's like,

1307
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:45,920
oh my god, why did you kiss me?

1308
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 2: Fuck and whatever?

1309
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,239
Speaker 1: They talk about stuff, blah blah blah blah blah. She

1310
01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:53,359
tells him that they have to get the rest of

1311
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:56,439
the journal entries, that's where the answers are, which I

1312
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,720
thought she had already told them about whatever. At some point,

1313
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,560
they're dancing together, and then suddenly the room changes and

1314
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,520
she sees the creature with a bloody scythe and blood everywhere,

1315
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,399
and she lets out a little scream. Suddenly she's by

1316
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,039
herself and she's running, and then Alejandro is there again,

1317
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:14,439
and he's like, are you okay? Where are you going,

1318
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,560
and she's like, I saw a thing and he didn't

1319
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,560
see it. And she remembers that she used to see

1320
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,239
things like that all the time in the house, and

1321
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:27,239
she's deeper thoughts again, and then Alejandro is like, hey, hey,

1322
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,920
earth to Antonia, and he tells her that Dona Perea

1323
01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:34,640
left the ballroom and that the plan or his plan

1324
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,880
is on. He pulls out a knife from his pocket,

1325
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,960
which is carved in moistcat carvings, and he's like, oh, yeah,

1326
01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:42,119
this is a copycat version of the murder weapon. By

1327
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:44,399
the way, I took a picture and then I made

1328
01:10:44,399 --> 01:10:48,720
a duplicate and then there. I still I'm not sure

1329
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,720
what his plan was with that. He does explain his plan, Yeah,

1330
01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:58,880
something about placing it somewhere they would pretend that this

1331
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,800
is the murder work some ship.

1332
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1333
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: So they're walking to the courtyard and then they see

1334
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,760
a dozen people dressed in black with black candles around

1335
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:16,319
them and black pointy hoods. Oh yeah, cold cold, and

1336
01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:19,600
they're chanting, of course, and I was like, oh, we

1337
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:24,439
have a cold baby. Were you suspecting this that there

1338
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,039
was going to be a cool Yeah? No, I was

1339
01:11:27,159 --> 01:11:31,039
just like either, it was a nice surprise yeah, I

1340
01:11:31,399 --> 01:11:34,680
like that it was just going to be a normal hunting. Oh,

1341
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:39,079
but yeah, the cold brought in interest that we really needed.

1342
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:43,680
So and so they're watching there was taking pictures. I'm

1343
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,079
guessing I don't remember, but yeah he was. He has

1344
01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:48,560
to be right because they have evidence later. So yeah,

1345
01:11:49,239 --> 01:11:52,399
they see Don Pira of all people, chanting something in

1346
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,000
Chiapa and the only word that Antonia recognizes is vetiva.

1347
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,079
And then they see then swinging the blade which.

1348
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:05,359
Speaker 2: Cut through someone's neck. Oh, she like beheaded someone.

1349
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,199
Speaker 1: Then they watched the colt leave and they realized that

1350
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,239
they were the ones who murdered that man, not her dad,

1351
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,760
and now this cult is framing her dad. She wants

1352
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:19,279
to go to the police, but he's like, no, we

1353
01:12:19,319 --> 01:12:21,199
need to stick to the plan. Then hear a scream

1354
01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:23,960
and they rush back inside, but everything looks normal and

1355
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:26,760
Dona Pieda is not in the ballroom, but then they

1356
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:31,239
see her with Badri Juan and she tells that they

1357
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:34,399
need to leave before they're recognized by one of them,

1358
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,319
and they go to her old room on the fourth floor,

1359
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,079
and they just kill time in her old room because

1360
01:12:41,119 --> 01:12:43,359
they want Dona Peda to be gone from the party.

1361
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,520
So they can sneak back down to look through the

1362
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,960
mom's stuff to find more journal injuries, and so in

1363
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:51,479
her room she finds her old dollhouse. She's looking through it,

1364
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,439
she finds another journal entry. In this one, her mom

1365
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,800
wrote that the gatherings are getting out of control and

1366
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,880
there's a sense of distrust now and something about the

1367
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:03,319
sh sheep escaping with the fox, and first she's like

1368
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,239
too confused about this, and then she eventually realizes that

1369
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,800
it's doing Pareda is the fox, but it takes her

1370
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,520
a little too long to get there, and then at

1371
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,279
some point they fall asleep, I don't know. The phone

1372
01:13:14,359 --> 01:13:16,880
rings and it's Carmela who tells her Leon stop by

1373
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,159
looking for her and that she has a feeling Loan

1374
01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:22,279
is going to the hotel now because she wasn't at

1375
01:13:22,279 --> 01:13:28,079
her house. Antonia wasn't at our house, and Caramela wants

1376
01:13:28,119 --> 01:13:30,439
them to leave so that they're not found by Leon,

1377
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,239
but she Antonio's Carmela, Nope, we can't leave, and she

1378
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:38,439
hangs up and whatever she wants, very much like her

1379
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:42,439
father earlier when he's like, I can't leave yet. Then

1380
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,640
they make their way to the room with her mom

1381
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,479
stuff on the way there. She hears people calling her,

1382
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,319
but she keeps on walking, and then suddenly Alejandro is

1383
01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:54,159
nowhere near her. She tries to run, and she hears

1384
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:56,399
her name three times, like no, no, no, no, no no,

1385
01:13:57,159 --> 01:13:59,079
and she's like, was that my mom's voice? And she's

1386
01:13:59,119 --> 01:14:01,800
like no, and then she's back in reality. Alejandro's shaking

1387
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,159
her and asking her, hey, what happened. And then this

1388
01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:07,239
is a little bit of back and forth where she's

1389
01:14:07,279 --> 01:14:09,640
there and she's not there, and so she finally comes

1390
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,279
to and they're taking the elevator down to her mom's sanctuary.

1391
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,159
Speaker 2: Down there, it's basically untouched. It was left the same.

1392
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,159
Speaker 1: They see tunkos, those little figures, and then Alexandra's like, well,

1393
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:25,159
these aren't just figures. They have ritualistic purposes. And then

1394
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:28,159
he tells her that he's not sure. He wasn't sure before,

1395
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,560
but he is now after seeing these figures, and he

1396
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,800
tells her, your mom was the leader of a cult

1397
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:39,239
called Lasika's Debochica. They considered themselves protectors of Alisalto, and

1398
01:14:39,279 --> 01:14:41,520
it was their duty to protect it from those who corrupted,

1399
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,000
who wanted to corrupt the land. And this place you

1400
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:51,359
call your mom sanctuary was where they met, and his

1401
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,720
own mom was a member of this cult before she

1402
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:58,279
passed away, and that before her mom took over as

1403
01:14:58,399 --> 01:15:01,279
leader of the cult, it was led by her Antonia's

1404
01:15:01,279 --> 01:15:04,600
grandmother and Donia perieda together. But then when her grandmother

1405
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,000
passed away, her mom was voided as the cult leader

1406
01:15:08,119 --> 01:15:13,840
instead of Donia Parida because she's younger, and her having

1407
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,840
become the leader of the cult is the whole reason

1408
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,560
her father built the mansion here in the first place,

1409
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:25,960
and that Antonia herself is supposed to be next in line.

1410
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:27,920
And Antonia is like, I don't want anything to do

1411
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:28,479
with this place.

1412
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,239
Speaker 2: I hated living here. It was a nightmare.

1413
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,319
Speaker 1: And yeah, then they're grabbing books. She finds another entry

1414
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,520
which makes her emotional. It says something about her I

1415
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:40,640
didn't write this down.

1416
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,399
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I'm sorry.

1417
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: And then they find a picture of all the women

1418
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:52,119
in the cult and all of them are dead except Dona.

1419
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 2: Yes.

1420
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: And then there's another deral entry, and in this one,

1421
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,319
Estella wrote about losing all of her at my lass

1422
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,760
and that she needs to figure out how to stop

1423
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:03,880
it before it comes for her.

1424
01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:06,560
Speaker 2: She asks but Chica for help.

1425
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:11,359
Speaker 1: In that journal entry, and Antonia realizes that the it

1426
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,319
that her mom is referring to is the Vettiva summoned

1427
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:17,920
by Don Pear, and that that's what pushed your mom,

1428
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,920
the vettiva, and it also killed the rest of the

1429
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:30,720
Chica and her and Lejandra decided they need to go

1430
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,760
find evidence of this, and they head for the water

1431
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:39,960
which is known as the La Mortos. I guess that's

1432
01:16:40,039 --> 01:16:42,880
where they put all the people they kill. I don't know,

1433
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:45,279
I don't know.

1434
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 2: And as they're walking, she hears her name again, No Nona, Nona, Nona,

1435
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,039
We'll come home, and.

1436
01:16:52,119 --> 01:16:55,119
Speaker 1: She tries to run again and Alejandro stops her and

1437
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:59,279
she's like, something's here with us watching and he's like okay,

1438
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,399
scared and they keep going and then suddenly Alejandro is

1439
01:17:04,399 --> 01:17:06,359
the one in the trans not for her. Well now

1440
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,319
you know what it feels like, and she's begging him

1441
01:17:09,359 --> 01:17:12,479
to wake up, and she hears Nona, Nona, Nona again

1442
01:17:13,039 --> 01:17:14,239
and it's the Sveetiba.

1443
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,359
Speaker 2: This part was actually like kind of creepy. It was.

1444
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: It's moving closer until it snatches her hand with this

1445
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:28,319
clammy skin and it tells her that it's there for her,

1446
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,960
and she's like no, no, don't get away, and then

1447
01:17:32,039 --> 01:17:35,199
it's pitch black. She wakes up and sees her mom,

1448
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:40,359
I don't know where, and her mom tells her that

1449
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,680
she Antonia has no idea what it means to be

1450
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,319
together again, but that she can't stay. You know that

1451
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,359
typical trope of like so when someone's like in the

1452
01:17:49,399 --> 01:17:51,479
middle of dying in a hospital and then the person

1453
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,680
they see is like, you can't see you. You have

1454
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,159
to choose if you're gonna stay or leave.

1455
01:17:55,239 --> 01:17:56,359
Speaker 2: But I want you to leave.

1456
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: You can't stay here. It's not your time yet that

1457
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,560
Antonia again not listening. It's like, well, I'm not leaving

1458
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,159
until you tell me what happened, But no, I get

1459
01:18:06,199 --> 01:18:08,039
it her. This is her chance to learn from her

1460
01:18:08,079 --> 01:18:11,920
own mom what was happening. So her mom told her

1461
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,479
that evil played the land and that she was a

1462
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,479
fool to think that she could protect it, and that

1463
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:24,840
by the end, it felt so powerful for her to

1464
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,720
be the leader of this culte that it was like intoxicating,

1465
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,439
like she she had been overtaken by the power and

1466
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:36,800
the power yeah instead of worrying about just protecting the land.

1467
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,800
And then that Dounia Peda summoned the Svetiva and then

1468
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,800
by then, by then it was too late, not even

1469
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:47,439
Bochica could help them save them, and that she was

1470
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:49,840
so happy when her and her dad got away, but

1471
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,439
then they returned and she's like, what are you guys

1472
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,560
doing here? But apparently this was Dona Verda's duane, that

1473
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,039
she messed with Herta, messed with her dad's mind and

1474
01:18:59,199 --> 01:18:59,760
forced him.

1475
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:03,319
Speaker 2: To reach into the house, and that she.

1476
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: Estella thought the only way to get rid of the

1477
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:11,159
spativa was to die, but it didn't work, and then

1478
01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:13,039
Antonia's like, well, how can we get rid of it?

1479
01:19:13,159 --> 01:19:15,319
And it still I was like you can't. Only the

1480
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:17,439
person who's somebody can get rid of it. And then

1481
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:21,359
they tell each other goodbye, and Antonie comes to and

1482
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,239
then she shakes Alejandro, begging him to wake up. He's

1483
01:19:24,319 --> 01:19:26,880
not waking up, and then he finally does, and then

1484
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,920
he asked what happened and she's like, it was Salto

1485
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,279
and Santo did all this. We need to get this

1486
01:19:32,359 --> 01:19:34,439
hotel shut down or people are going to keep dying.

1487
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:37,479
And then they drag themselves to a house that's not

1488
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:42,319
too far from Mensalto. A woman named Rosalia opens the door.

1489
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,800
This is kind of where I was like, really all right,

1490
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,840
but he had this This was his plan, because his

1491
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:54,079
plan was to find evidence for his journalism or whatever,

1492
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,119
for the story about the rich people being in the cult.

1493
01:19:59,279 --> 01:20:01,119
Speaker 2: That's right. He had been found. He knew there was

1494
01:20:01,119 --> 01:20:02,560
a cult, and he was already in.

1495
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:06,520
Speaker 1: Communication with Rosalia about this, so she was like expecting them.

1496
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:09,399
Speaker 2: You're right, you're right.

1497
01:20:11,239 --> 01:20:15,039
Speaker 1: She's another reporter. And Alexandra tells Antonia like, hey, we

1498
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:18,800
can trust her. And then from there anton Carmela and

1499
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,039
she's like, hey, we're okay. And while she's on the phone,

1500
01:20:22,039 --> 01:20:26,239
Alexandro updates Rosalia, who then agrees to report all of

1501
01:20:26,359 --> 01:20:28,880
this and drive them to the city, and then they

1502
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,159
get back to Antonia's place. He stays here with Antonia

1503
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,960
and he's like, don't worry, Rosalia, We'll make sure this

1504
01:20:35,039 --> 01:20:37,640
story gets out. I'm not leaving you alone ever again.

1505
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:43,359
And then they kiss again, but this time like consensually. Yeah,

1506
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:45,720
like they're both consenting.

1507
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:46,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1508
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,159
Speaker 1: They walk inside the house and Mela's like, wow, you

1509
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:52,640
guys look like shit, Well like you look like hell,

1510
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,159
that's what she says, actually, uh, and then she's like

1511
01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:55,920
what happened?

1512
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 2: Tell me everything?

1513
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: And then she tells him alone seems scared when he

1514
01:21:00,039 --> 01:21:03,199
I'm looking for Antonia and they tell her everything. Later

1515
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,279
a Metal drives them to like I said that the

1516
01:21:06,359 --> 01:21:09,760
newspaper that is gonna report this story and they're gonna

1517
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,279
meet there with Rosalia. She gives back the pictures that

1518
01:21:12,359 --> 01:21:14,680
I Handro gave her and they realized that Pada Juan

1519
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:16,880
is in the picture, so he's another member of the school.

1520
01:21:17,239 --> 01:21:19,039
And then Rosalia is like, yeah, we're really seeing a

1521
01:21:19,079 --> 01:21:22,079
special edition at the paper this very afternoon.

1522
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:23,279
Speaker 2: This is going to be a big story.

1523
01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 1: Then a Handro was like, all right, let's go to

1524
01:21:26,079 --> 01:21:28,079
the police, Antonia, you need to go see your dad.

1525
01:21:28,119 --> 01:21:31,960
But Antonia again doesn't listen, and she's like nope, I'm

1526
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,119
going with you to the police. And then they're at

1527
01:21:35,119 --> 01:21:39,079
the police station and the police doesn't they don't want

1528
01:21:39,119 --> 01:21:41,600
to like listen, and then she threatens to go to

1529
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,479
the press. But I'm like, okay, but the press is

1530
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:44,479
already getting the story.

1531
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:48,399
Speaker 2: I don't know what that that like. I don't know.

1532
01:21:50,359 --> 01:21:52,359
Speaker 1: The press already has a story to me in my

1533
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:57,560
hand but whatever isn't Yeah, but she tells the police

1534
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,800
like let me see my dad or I'm going to

1535
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,319
the press. Oh, but maybe going to the press about

1536
01:22:02,319 --> 01:22:05,319
them not letting her see her dad. Okay, maybe, yeah,

1537
01:22:06,119 --> 01:22:09,000
I think that's what she meant. And then they signed

1538
01:22:09,039 --> 01:22:11,760
to Carlo's release and they're like okay, but he still

1539
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,159
has to go to trial. And then police and detectives

1540
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:19,840
head to the hotel and they went to her dad.

1541
01:22:20,039 --> 01:22:23,399
She understands that he was innocent. They tell him it

1542
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:28,159
was all Dogna Pareida's doing and that everyone was in

1543
01:22:28,279 --> 01:22:30,840
her cold, including her son, like she just has a

1544
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,119
lot of power in this town. And then they're back

1545
01:22:34,199 --> 01:22:36,920
at her house and she's looking through this book called

1546
01:22:37,039 --> 01:22:39,760
Evil in the Times of Buchika, which is very convenient

1547
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,960
to have, and she's looking for clues and she is

1548
01:22:45,039 --> 01:22:48,680
reading this book and she sees like something handwritten in

1549
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,079
someone else's hand ready, not her own, not her mom's.

1550
01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:54,319
She assumes is paida because the sentence sas the house

1551
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,359
must stand, like this will only work if the house

1552
01:22:56,399 --> 01:22:58,800
is still there, and so she's like, well, I need

1553
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,119
to destroy the house. The house else cannot stand anymore,

1554
01:23:01,239 --> 01:23:04,159
is what she realizes. And for some reason, she then

1555
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:08,039
goes back to the Catholic school and she tells off madrequids.

1556
01:23:09,079 --> 01:23:14,720
Oh this is just her, her badass feminist journey journey.

1557
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

1558
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:18,520
Speaker 1: And then it's been a few days, her dad is free.

1559
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,239
Now Dona Peda is on the run, but they haven't

1560
01:23:21,239 --> 01:23:25,560
found her. Then she gets a call from Lucia, Leon's wife,

1561
01:23:26,319 --> 01:23:28,399
who begs them for help because Leon has that been

1562
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,640
himself since all this went down. And then she calls

1563
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,359
it Lejandro and they go see Leon together, who's looking rough.

1564
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,600
He's gaunt and emitiated. How do you say that word?

1565
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:39,520
Speaker 2: Okay?

1566
01:23:40,359 --> 01:23:44,079
Speaker 1: And they ponder why he's in its condition, but they

1567
01:23:44,119 --> 01:23:45,960
imagine that it has to do with don Pieda and

1568
01:23:46,079 --> 01:23:48,119
just has that is happening? Leon is like, it's mother,

1569
01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:52,039
it's mother, and he doesn't know where she is, neither

1570
01:23:52,079 --> 01:23:54,399
does Lucia, and they're like, let's use the situation to

1571
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,199
lure her back. And I'm not entirely sure how this takes,

1572
01:23:57,359 --> 01:23:59,359
how this happens. Lucia goes to make a phone call

1573
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,840
to someone. I don't I wasn't paying attention anymore.

1574
01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:03,520
Speaker 2: Lucian.

1575
01:24:04,199 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lucia makes a phone call, did you call Donia

1576
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:09,239
Peda to come?

1577
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,399
Speaker 2: But they don't know where Lona Pareda is. I thought that,

1578
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,439
so she was calling. I don't know she's calling someone

1579
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,039
to say Loan is not doing good. I think she's

1580
01:24:18,079 --> 01:24:18,960
calling Panina.

1581
01:24:19,159 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: But but they don't know where Loa Parida is. Isn't

1582
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,119
that what she shows up though she does show up.

1583
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 2: Maybe it is, I don't know.

1584
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,319
Speaker 1: Maybe it is, yeah, because yeah, they're going to use

1585
01:24:30,319 --> 01:24:32,399
the situation to lure her back, and then bam, there

1586
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:36,600
she is back some hours past whatever. And then there's

1587
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,359
back and forth between them, and Tonia is like, yeah,

1588
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,520
we know you killed all of La and all those

1589
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,520
people at and then Dona is like, okay, and I

1590
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,560
didn't do anything to Leon. It's the fetiva that's taking

1591
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:55,159
hold of him because he's a weakling man her own son, ma'am,

1592
01:24:55,239 --> 01:24:58,840
that's your son. That's crazy. And then she's like and

1593
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,199
if it hadn't been for you're meddling kids, everything would

1594
01:25:02,199 --> 01:25:05,000
have gone according to plan. And then the police get

1595
01:25:05,039 --> 01:25:08,920
there and Diana Pada is like shocked, and I'm like, really, Dona, data,

1596
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,760
I don't think they were gonna like, yeah, have you arrested?

1597
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know.

1598
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,239
Speaker 1: And yeah, she's like if it wasn't for you and

1599
01:25:16,319 --> 01:25:17,560
your dog or whatever.

1600
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:19,079
Speaker 2: Like Scooby Doo.

1601
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got that, okay, And then we have a

1602
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,600
journal entry, and this time it's stated in nineteen thirty

1603
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,840
six and it's Antonia who wrote it. She returned to

1604
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,840
Octle to burn down the hotel and finally get rid

1605
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,720
of the Svetiva and let the.

1606
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:45,399
Speaker 2: Land just be the end. All right, we made it

1607
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:49,079
to the end. I felt like I was never gonna

1608
01:25:49,079 --> 01:25:52,640
get there. Yeah, I well, yeah, I.

1609
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,319
Speaker 1: Guess before get into the questions, is there anything you

1610
01:25:55,359 --> 01:25:57,479
want to say about the booker? We get into the questions. No,

1611
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,159
let's answer the question, all right.

1612
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 2: Question one?

1613
01:26:02,279 --> 01:26:05,399
Speaker 1: Oh, before I add we sent these questions out and

1614
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,760
then I made a story like it's only one. I

1615
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,800
have like thoughts if they read this book, But most

1616
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,920
of the replies I got were people waiting for the

1617
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:17,239
episode to see if they should read it. I don't

1618
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:20,079
know what people will decide after this.

1619
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1620
01:26:22,359 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: Well, how did the setting and atmosphere the book affect

1621
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,520
the mood and tone of the story. Did it create

1622
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,119
a sense of danger, mystery, dread or unease?

1623
01:26:32,079 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 2: And I will say that yes, the.

1624
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,520
Speaker 1: Atmosphere and the description of the house, the waterfall, it

1625
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,920
was very moody. Yeah, very Gothic and it did definitely

1626
01:26:42,039 --> 01:26:46,359
set the tone, you know, to be like a dreadful feeling,

1627
01:26:48,199 --> 01:26:53,399
especially when she's actually being haunted. Right, But I like

1628
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,359
the Yeah, the setting, atmosphere, descriptions.

1629
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:57,399
Speaker 2: I agree.

1630
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, the setting was really everything holding

1631
01:27:01,119 --> 01:27:05,279
me together during this read. Yeah, yeah, it made me

1632
01:27:05,359 --> 01:27:08,199
want to visit the place too. I already wanted to

1633
01:27:08,279 --> 01:27:10,920
visit the place, but yes, yeah, I agree, And yeah,

1634
01:27:11,079 --> 01:27:14,680
the setting was everything. It is what gave the book

1635
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,520
a sense of the moments, The moments of dread and

1636
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:21,640
uneys that existed existed because of the house. So yeah, Okay,

1637
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,800
the next one, how did the author generate suspense intentions? Wait,

1638
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,039
let me say I guess before. These are generic book

1639
01:27:28,359 --> 01:27:31,399
club discussion questions. I could not think of my own

1640
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:35,680
this time. How did the author generate suspense intention throughout

1641
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,279
the book? How did they initially draw you in? What

1642
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,359
techniques they used to keep you hooked and on edge?

1643
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:47,000
I feel that it was again the house. The descriptions

1644
01:27:47,159 --> 01:27:50,399
of the house is really what drew me in. Again,

1645
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,840
it is what created the tension, like those moments being

1646
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:58,640
there and then like her remembering her past. I do

1647
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,840
wish we we got to know what those moments in

1648
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,239
the past that scared her so much because instead of

1649
01:28:05,359 --> 01:28:09,640
like really feeling it, it was more like and then

1650
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,000
when I was a kid in that house, I saw

1651
01:28:12,079 --> 01:28:14,359
red eyes and my mom told me that though it

1652
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:19,640
wasn't real, but it was. Yeah, I would do the same.

1653
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 2: And I also say that the.

1654
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:27,279
Speaker 1: Little moments of the hauntings reiled me back in when

1655
01:28:27,319 --> 01:28:29,880
I was starting to you know, be like, oh my gosh,

1656
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,600
shut up already about her class mostly and then you know,

1657
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:35,840
yet when she would like when she was at the

1658
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,119
party and then all of a sudden dragged out of

1659
01:28:38,199 --> 01:28:41,239
the party, like mentally, it seemed, and then she you

1660
01:28:41,279 --> 01:28:44,680
know whatever, she was haunted when she saw the glowing eyes,

1661
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,680
when she saw the vitia, things like that, when they

1662
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,439
were at the party, uh oh, when they were when

1663
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,720
they went off to the waterfall, and then Leandro was.

1664
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 2: In a trance.

1665
01:28:55,960 --> 01:29:00,239
Speaker 1: Like those scenes of the scary moments kept me can

1666
01:29:00,279 --> 01:29:03,600
be hooked. And also the twist with the cult, yeah,

1667
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:09,000
same same. What did you think of Antonia? Did she

1668
01:29:09,159 --> 01:29:14,119
make any decisions that you didn't agree with? Okay, at first,

1669
01:29:14,359 --> 01:29:16,640
I was like, I can't stand her. You were the

1670
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:21,039
biggest hater I was the biggest hater. But then after

1671
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,920
going through the recap discussing right now here irl with you,

1672
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:31,239
I was like, you know what, No, I understand her more,

1673
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,439
and I am a little more okay with her, because, yeah,

1674
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,760
you know what, she was being haunted. Her mom didn't

1675
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:42,000
die that long ago. Yeah, and already she because of

1676
01:29:42,119 --> 01:29:46,199
her trauma, is an anxious person, and yeah, she's gonna

1677
01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:49,399
overtheek things. Did I need to know that all the

1678
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:53,800
things she was overthinking? No, I honestly didn't. We could

1679
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,920
have used the less thinking, less thoughts of hers, but

1680
01:29:58,039 --> 01:30:01,279
she wasn't like horrible. Oh No, At first I thought

1681
01:30:01,319 --> 01:30:04,399
she was horrible, but I understand now, I understand her more,

1682
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:06,279
and I'm like, you know what, No, she was who

1683
01:30:06,359 --> 01:30:12,960
she needed to be, and I personally don't. I can't

1684
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:17,000
get behind her suddenly blaming her dad. Yeah, that was

1685
01:30:17,039 --> 01:30:19,399
something that I didn't agree with her because it's like

1686
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,960
she was very hit and miss with it. And then

1687
01:30:22,079 --> 01:30:24,199
when she all of a sudden came to that conclusion,

1688
01:30:25,159 --> 01:30:29,800
it just seemed like out of nowhere. Yes, yes, So

1689
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,319
that was the biggest thing. I didn't agree with her

1690
01:30:32,399 --> 01:30:35,279
on everything else. I'm like, no, it made sense even

1691
01:30:35,279 --> 01:30:43,520
though I got on my nervous at first. Yeah, were

1692
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,920
you satisfied with the book's outcome or did you have

1693
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:50,239
any questions or doubts left unanswered? It just kind of

1694
01:30:50,279 --> 01:30:53,680
felt like the ending is just like there because something

1695
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,760
needed to happen, like it needed to be ended, and

1696
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:58,039
that's like, all right, here you go.

1697
01:30:58,279 --> 01:31:02,560
Speaker 2: I guess they this journalist.

1698
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 1: Who I don't know where is here because she believes

1699
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,399
adahndro On is going to help him. She's gonna believe

1700
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:13,880
this news, and everybody just believed this news. Anda suddenly

1701
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,640
agrees to come back for her weak leing of a

1702
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,640
son that she apparently doesn't like, doesn't even like writing,

1703
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:24,239
and she's going to come back for that, and everyone's

1704
01:31:24,319 --> 01:31:26,479
going to be ready to arrest her on the spot.

1705
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,199
Speaker 2: So that was a little too I don't know, wrapped

1706
01:31:30,279 --> 01:31:33,319
up in a tidy bow. Yeah. Yeah.

1707
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: And then at the same time, though there was still

1708
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:39,560
I'm like, all right, well, I I feel like I

1709
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,399
would have wanted, like you said, to get more about

1710
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:47,079
her being haunted as a child in that house, and

1711
01:31:47,239 --> 01:31:48,960
I would have wanted to get a little bit more

1712
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:54,039
about the lore of uh Bochica, the Muiskas like I

1713
01:31:54,079 --> 01:31:56,039
feel like we got pieces here and there, like whenever

1714
01:31:56,159 --> 01:32:00,199
she was talking recollecting her conversations with her mom. But

1715
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,119
I don't know, I think we could have had a

1716
01:32:03,159 --> 01:32:05,720
little bit more of that. Mm hmm. Yeah, I feel

1717
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,359
like we could have done without all the Catholic school

1718
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:15,720
madduncon suddenly beat my classmate to death almost scenes like

1719
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,279
I don't know, yeah, at first I thought it was

1720
01:32:18,279 --> 01:32:21,479
gonna be like a religious trauma thing right when I

1721
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:25,439
mentioned But then it doesn't seem connected to everything else,

1722
01:32:26,079 --> 01:32:28,239
because then I'm like that I thought, maybe, okay, well,

1723
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:31,760
maybe you can kind of like learn about like, oh, well,

1724
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:32,520
how did she.

1725
01:32:34,359 --> 01:32:35,079
Speaker 2: Handle the.

1726
01:32:37,239 --> 01:32:40,319
Speaker 1: Her mom being like obsessed and believing in the Muiskas

1727
01:32:40,399 --> 01:32:44,159
and their mythology and beliefs, and then how did she

1728
01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:48,640
like uh african't think of the world. How does she

1729
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:52,199
mesh that with like her Catholic upbringing, But it's not

1730
01:32:52,319 --> 01:32:56,439
really brought up as a pointed yeah yeah. And then

1731
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:01,079
also to me, like, I I think it's there so

1732
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:05,239
that we get a real understanding of her feminism and

1733
01:33:05,359 --> 01:33:07,960
how it doesn't fall in line with the church. But

1734
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:10,560
all the Senorita stuff that comes later does that for

1735
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,680
us anyway? That's what I was necessary. Now, Like I

1736
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:15,880
don't think it was necessary. Yeah, I just don't feel

1737
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:19,720
that we needed in that at all. Yeah, And honestly

1738
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,920
it would have been better without any of that it's not.

1739
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,760
I think so too, because I started to get into

1740
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:29,760
it once she was at the hotel, like yeah, and

1741
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:33,159
then when she went back for the party, Yeah, yeah,

1742
01:33:33,319 --> 01:33:35,640
I almost wish it just took place all in the

1743
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:36,199
full there.

1744
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they're arriving for the party and then she's.

1745
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:42,560
Speaker 1: Like, I didn't even want to come, Like my dad,

1746
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:44,920
Like I don't know why he suddenly wanted to come,

1747
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:47,239
Like it could have just started with them arriving at

1748
01:33:47,239 --> 01:33:50,840
the party. I think so too, because yeah, she could

1749
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,239
have gone like she did in her head and into

1750
01:33:53,279 --> 01:33:54,279
her memories with her mom.

1751
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,600
Speaker 2: Then Yeah. Yeah, I honestly don't think we needed to

1752
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:59,079
be out of that, yes at all.

1753
01:34:00,199 --> 01:34:02,640
Speaker 1: Also one more thought, because we haven't really talked about it,

1754
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,680
but I was really into the description of all the

1755
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,600
food that gott oh and that would bring her and

1756
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,520
would prepare for her, especially the pairing of the hot

1757
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:17,840
chocolate with the gesso, and what it seemed it was

1758
01:34:18,039 --> 01:34:19,680
like beat out there, like a different kind of bread.

1759
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:22,720
I'm not even sure I pictured it as but that's

1760
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,479
because of my Mexican centric Yes, but I want to

1761
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:25,840
taste that.

1762
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:26,560
Speaker 2: I want to eat that.

1763
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 1: Because I love cheese. You do love especially because I

1764
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:36,000
think they said it was especially frescos as Mexicans eat.

1765
01:34:36,039 --> 01:34:40,359
I'm assuming our father started calling her. Oh yeah, I

1766
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:42,720
forgot about that because I was obsessed. I would put

1767
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:43,359
it on everything.

1768
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then you would get all bloated.

1769
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think I cured myself of I don't

1770
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:53,399
know if it works like that, but I don't have

1771
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:54,920
any problems with cheese anymore.

1772
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 2: And as a kid I did.

1773
01:34:56,439 --> 01:35:01,119
Speaker 1: I can eat fresco, but I can't just depend well.

1774
01:35:01,159 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 2: I can eat as us just fine now.

1775
01:35:03,319 --> 01:35:07,039
Speaker 1: And but that back then, back then, I used to

1776
01:35:07,159 --> 01:35:09,159
get so blowd I remember we would be sitting there

1777
01:35:09,159 --> 01:35:10,239
and be like, I look pregnant.

1778
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 2: Our mom would force me to eat them. What are

1779
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:16,279
they called?

1780
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't remember dates, but I don't remember what they're called.

1781
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:20,159
Speaker 2: It in Spanish.

1782
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because supposedly helped. I don't know, but yeahs. But

1783
01:35:24,079 --> 01:35:25,319
I couldn't stop eating because of what.

1784
01:35:28,279 --> 01:35:31,399
Speaker 2: It was worth it. I didn't join it. I was

1785
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:34,640
like salivating I'm salamating rain, like you know what, I'm

1786
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,119
gonna go get my gas, you know, not chocolate. Guess

1787
01:35:38,159 --> 01:35:39,039
what's going bun.

1788
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:45,079
Speaker 1: Honestly, it sounds good because of the whole sweet savory thing. Okay, yeah, yeah,

1789
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,760
because yeah, I mean I love like, you know what,

1790
01:35:48,039 --> 01:35:50,359
savory cheese, sweet savory cheese.

1791
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 2: I bought this cheese. I love charcouter. Also, what is

1792
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:57,640
that TikTok? We saw? It's yeah?

1793
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:04,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, I like making sure hi and about this

1794
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:07,960
cheese that had cranber in it, and it was delicious

1795
01:36:08,119 --> 01:36:11,600
with the meat and the cracker and that sweet savory thing.

1796
01:36:12,199 --> 01:36:17,960
I delicious you yeah, yeah, okay, anyway, what did you

1797
01:36:18,119 --> 01:36:18,760
rate this book?

1798
01:36:19,039 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 2: I don't remember. Let me check.

1799
01:36:21,359 --> 01:36:23,279
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you when I readed it while you're checking.

1800
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,239
I actually don't remember what I put in storyograph. But

1801
01:36:26,359 --> 01:36:28,600
right now, personally I think a three out of five,

1802
01:36:30,279 --> 01:36:34,880
where I think that if you go into it knowing

1803
01:36:35,159 --> 01:36:40,479
that the writing is a little clunky and it's.

1804
01:36:41,359 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 2: M maybe her first book, I think it is.

1805
01:36:48,319 --> 01:36:53,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think going and not expecting Mexican Gothic or

1806
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:57,000
the da. If you think about it as its own piece,

1807
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:03,159
you know the writing is not going to be amazingly done.

1808
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:09,520
It has room for it's a quick read, it's a

1809
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:15,760
short book, and so the the setting of the Waterfall,

1810
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,079
I think, to me makes it like if you're interested

1811
01:37:18,119 --> 01:37:22,479
in something that takes place outside of Mexico, outside of

1812
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:28,960
the US. It in Columbia, so if you're looking for that,

1813
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:31,720
and it's just like it has its little spooky moments,

1814
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,279
but it's not super scary. So I think if you

1815
01:37:34,359 --> 01:37:38,840
want something like that that's like a quick read, the

1816
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:43,720
setting is phenomenal, it's not that scary, but also you

1817
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:47,279
have to know that it's the writing is kind of clunky,

1818
01:37:48,039 --> 01:37:51,399
going to annoying those things, then yeah, I do recommend it. However,

1819
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:54,479
if you absolutely can't stand the type of character that

1820
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:58,920
we describe that Antonia is, or like the clunkiness, then

1821
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,600
I don't recommend it. But to me, I don't regret

1822
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:04,560
as much as I complained to Karmen about it, and

1823
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,760
I have a complaint throughout this episode, I don't regret

1824
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:08,319
reading it.

1825
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there was a lot of.

1826
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 1: Enjoyable aspects in the book. It just wasn't like a

1827
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,720
love five out of five kind of book. Yeah, meant

1828
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,159
that happened sometimes I don't, like you said, I don't

1829
01:38:20,199 --> 01:38:23,159
regret regret reading it. I would still recommend it, especially

1830
01:38:24,319 --> 01:38:26,399
for like someone who's looking like you said, for something

1831
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,880
in Latin America that's you know, not commonly, not as

1832
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,800
commonly written about somewhere like Mexico. We got local legend,

1833
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:39,640
local myths, beautiful descriptions of a waterfall, and gothic setting.

1834
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:40,279
Speaker 2: I like that.

1835
01:38:41,159 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I read it three point twenty five. Oh wow,

1836
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:47,239
you're reading was higher than mine. I think you were

1837
01:38:47,319 --> 01:38:48,319
complaining a lot more than me.

1838
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 2: I was. I was, but you read it.

1839
01:38:51,039 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: No, you started first, but I finished it first, and

1840
01:38:53,039 --> 01:38:56,760
I remember I was like sending you screen so long. Yeah,

1841
01:38:59,239 --> 01:39:01,479
but you know what I think, I think in my

1842
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:05,279
head right now, I put it up to three because

1843
01:39:05,279 --> 01:39:08,880
I think I had it. Oh you did and previously,

1844
01:39:09,079 --> 01:39:12,399
but talking through Antonia, and like I said earlier, like

1845
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:14,680
I am okay with her now as a character, and

1846
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,239
so I think that's why I was like, okay, three three,

1847
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Like yeah, like we said, it's I cause you know,

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like one out of five, it's like, oh no, I

1849
01:39:23,079 --> 01:39:25,239
absolutely wouldn't recommend it. But yeah, like we said, if

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you're looking for those things and you're okay with knowing

1851
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:31,319
like it's not gonna be elegant, but some parts will.

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Speaker 2: It's just not gonna be all elegant. I do recommend it.

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01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:39,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, overall again, I don't regret reading it

1854
01:39:39,359 --> 01:39:41,840
three out of five for me. Yeah, you rated three

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01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:45,279
point twenty five. Well, wow, I lowered it then, and

1856
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then I had it higher.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:51,520
Speaker 1: I thought i'd put like two point seventy five. Okay, okay,

1859
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,600
well then three point twenty five. Well, let make sure

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that's not my review instead of years, No, it could

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01:39:57,279 --> 01:39:59,079
be no, yeah, three point twenty five. It says year,

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01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:03,039
it's yours. Okay, all right, well that's yeah, that's what

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01:40:03,159 --> 01:40:07,119
I read it in. Well, we are moving on to

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our next buck, which I already finished.

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Speaker 2: Insane. I'm I'm like eighty percent through. I loved it again.

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01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 1: Though we're obsessed with Silviaia. We like, you can't say

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01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:20,399
anything wrong.

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Speaker 2: Anything about her. Anything she writes.

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Speaker 1: I read, Yeah, and anything she writes is a five

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out of five automatically. I don't care what anyone says.

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01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:31,760
That's always going to be faut of five out of

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01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,039
five for both of us. I think I have some

1873
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:36,800
I have rated less, but oh most of the time

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it is five out of five. Yeah, which one's Silver Nitry?

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01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,760
I think I already like rated at like three point

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seventy five. Oh, I love Silver Nightrain.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so the Wwitching by Sylvia Moreno Garcia is our

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01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:56,399
next book, and I want to say, this is how

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you tackle journal entries, differ and timelines beautifully. Oh yeah,

1881
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:10,239
oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. So yeah, I'm

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01:41:10,319 --> 01:41:12,560
very excited for that one. I mean again, I already

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am halfway through it. It's going to be in Pasco, Washington.

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Speaker 2: Is that near you? No, sounds like three.

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Speaker 1: Hours, but I considered that's kind of fun going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought about it. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, Yes, that is our next book. We will

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01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:33,279
send out the email notifying everyone it is our next book,

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and other than that, let us know your thoughts on

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Bochica or we being too harsh on it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we were that.

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Speaker 1: Bad, especially complained. I think we're being generous. You know what. Actually,

1893
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now that you mentioned that, I wanted to read some

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01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:50,279
of the low star reviews just to see when you're

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01:41:51,279 --> 01:41:54,479
read it right now, we thought about them. Yeah, okay, sure.

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The average rating on StoryGraph for Bochka is three point

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sixty average. Okay, okay, this is a one star.

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Speaker 2: Let me see. Oh is it translated? No, no, never mind.

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Speaker 1: The review says this story takes place on a plot

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of land considered sacred to an indigenous Columbian culture, the Muiska,

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the titular I hate that word titular. Pochka is a

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01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,960
Musican religious figure, but I don't recall a single indigenous character,

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just a group of white women who appropriate their beliefs

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the storyline. And we know these are elite, rich women,

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so I think we can assume they are probably white Colombians.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those storyline had the potential to explore important themes

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of colonization, religious paralysm, and cultural appropriation, but never comes

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close to touching any of that. I also wish i'd

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read it in the original original Spanish, because while it

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01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:57,119
takes place in the nineteen thirties, a lot of the

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01:42:57,279 --> 01:43:00,960
dialogue it seems anachronistic to modern I'm not sure if

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that was an issue of translation. Overall, this was a

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01:43:03,359 --> 01:43:05,920
fast paced, quick read horror in which all conflicts are

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01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,399
all resolved in the end. Even I felt almost a

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01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,600
little too cleanly wrapped up. And then they were like

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edited to add JK. Just realized it was originally ready English,

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so I can't even blame them dialogue translation. And then

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01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:22,960
there's another one that that was funny because they comment

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on this super modern word that the main character uses for.

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Speaker 2: Antonia.

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01:43:32,359 --> 01:43:34,720
Speaker 1: Antonia uses and I can't find it because I don't

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01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:39,279
even remember reading that word. Okay, this one star one

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01:43:39,359 --> 01:43:42,720
says a lot of vibes, very little plot. The plot

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01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,479
we did get was boring, and honestly, Mexican Gothic was

1926
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:48,359
just a better version of this story. The idea was there,

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but the execution was not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very.

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Speaker 1: Bluntly put, but yeah, I agree with the idea being there,

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but the execution not. Here's the other one that I

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01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:02,159
wanted to mention, and this one is a two point

1932
01:44:02,199 --> 01:44:05,079
seventy five try to say this book was a bit

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01:44:05,079 --> 01:44:08,279
of a disappointment. I'm absolutely feminist, but it's a pet

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01:44:08,319 --> 01:44:10,960
peeve of mine when authors show a feminist character by

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01:44:11,079 --> 01:44:14,319
just outright having them state the misogyny they experience like

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01:44:14,359 --> 01:44:17,319
they're explaining feminism one oh one. Maybe it's great for

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01:44:17,359 --> 01:44:19,840
people who really relate to female rage, but this way

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01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,520
of expressing it is not for me. I definitely appreciate

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01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:26,199
seeing more Latina authors out there blending their cultural especially

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01:44:26,279 --> 01:44:30,680
indigenous beliefs, into ideologies into a classic and ideologies into

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01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:33,640
a classic genre like gossip core. But the quality of

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01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:35,960
this book just isn't super great as a period piece.

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Speaker 2: I feel the dialogue feels very modern.

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Speaker 1: Parentheses she clapped back, hello, and I don't remember reading that.

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Speaker 2: She cloud back. I don't remember reading that either.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes characters say things that make no sense in

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01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,520
the context, which I think that was accurate.

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Speaker 2: I think we did stress that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, somebody else mentioned the cloud back thing.

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01:44:55,199 --> 01:44:58,600
An there's two point seventy five uh huh, and I

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01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:02,600
do not remember reading that. That's the thing you get

1952
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:08,520
when you're reading well, say, for example, who is literally

1953
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:12,560
like a PhD historian, Like you're gonna feel like you're

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01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:16,760
there when she's writing, and even CB Mono Garcia deeply

1955
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:22,319
deeply researches her books where you feel like they're taking

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01:45:22,359 --> 01:45:25,239
place in the time they say they are. Nothing feels

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01:45:25,319 --> 01:45:28,159
out of place. And that was another like, like I

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01:45:28,319 --> 01:45:32,479
was saying this, you could change the year to now

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01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:35,359
and it wouldn't make that much of a difference. Yeah,

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01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:38,239
you might as well have put it more modern, I think.

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Speaker 2: Right, you could have like it could have been fiction.

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Speaker 1: The history could have been fiction where because the hotel

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01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:50,479
was bought and created around that time, and you could

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01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:52,319
have just changed and you're already like this is a

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01:45:52,399 --> 01:45:55,199
fiction book. You could have just been like, oh, suddenly

1966
01:45:55,359 --> 01:45:58,399
someone built this in twenty twenty five, yeah, or like

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01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:01,399
twenty fourteen, like even have been a little more believable.

1968
01:46:02,359 --> 01:46:05,239
So yeah, I understand those complaints. Yeah, I think we're

1969
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:08,560
we're being a little generous just because we're also latinas

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01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:12,760
and we yeah, and we were familiar with the Hunted

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01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:16,479
Place already. Yeah, and so yeah, that's like that's why

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01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,439
we said, if you're go into it knowing and not

1973
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:21,319
expecting too much, yeah, it's And I did go into

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01:46:21,359 --> 01:46:23,800
it like that, not expecting much because I had seen

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01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,840
somebody else make a TikTok. I had a video about it,

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01:46:27,079 --> 01:46:30,039
and I said to you and they're like, this is

1977
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:32,479
very met and I was like, Okay, let me lower

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my expectations.

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Speaker 2: But you shouldn't have to do, you know, right right?

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So yeah, no, I agree, I do agree.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, okay, Well we announced our next book.

1982
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:47,760
We already started reading it, which is rare whenever we

1983
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:50,479
would do these book club I already finished it. Yeah

1984
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:51,880
I know you or had to finished it, but I'm

1985
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still written.

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Speaker 2: Befair. I went on vacation.

1987
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:57,119
Speaker 1: You went on a reading retreat. Well no, but I

1988
01:46:57,399 --> 01:47:00,640
read them on my vacation when oh, that's on your

1989
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:06,760
other vacation. Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, well yeah, give

1990
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:08,640
us your thoughts on the book if you read it,

1991
01:47:09,359 --> 01:47:11,880
even if you readly like five months from now, I

1992
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:16,119
still want to know we think about it same and yeah.

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Other than that, today is oh sorry. Reminder November first,

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twenty twenty five, you can catch us in Yakama, Washington

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at our event, The Kukui is going to get you

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and spirits, blending spooky stories, folklore, audience interaction and immerse

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activities to waken your spooky side. And we're going to

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be there. And then also Jonathan Perez from Latinos Against

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Spooky Shit what a fun you know account honestly a

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fun creator. And there's also going to be in a

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spooky mercado local Tarot oracle card readers and it's November

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first starts at seven pm, doors open at six thirty.

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Tickets are already on sale. Links in the show notes. Again,

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it is in Yakama, and yeah, we're very excited to

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be there and we can wait to see whoever shows up.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun. So yeah.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, Staybookie and we'll get to everyone next time.

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Speaker 2: There's a beanie. I love the beanie.

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Speaker 1: There's also a hat. There's a no Mamous shirt which

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is a fan favorite. There's a lot of options, crap tops, sweaters.

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