WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.439 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.599 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:08.079 Open up to an A. 24 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:13.400 C are there's something in the woods? 25 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:17.719 Anata te you what you're about to see you or 26 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:19.359 something in the woods? 27 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:23.840 Knocking in the parking change your rye the olm and said, 28 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:24.840 don't go outside. 29 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:26.920 There's something in the woods tonight. 30 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.439 I hear rim knocking, shaking bushits foot, Prince Howland on 31 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:31.120 my lung. 32 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:34.239 Open up to an A see something. 33 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:34.920 In the woods? 34 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:37.000 Her folks, don want to welcome our guest to the show. 35 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:41.280 It is the man, the myth, the legend himself, Daniel Perez. 36 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:42.519 Welcome to the show, sir. 37 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.319 Great to see you. Let's talk to that squatch. 38 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:47.400 I have been looking forward to this. I was talking 39 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:49.519 before we hit the record button. How we've ran in 40 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:51.959 the same circles, We've known some of the same people 41 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:54.400 for so long, and we're just now getting to sit 42 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:56.760 down face to face and have a conversation. Let's start 43 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.400 with the easy question where I like to start with everybody. 44 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:01.920 What got you interested in the subject of Sasquatch? To 45 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:03.439 begin with by. 46 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:05.959 Watching a movie at the walk In Theater when I 47 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.000 was about ten years old called the legend of Boggy Creek. 48 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:11.599 Prior to that, I knew. 49 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:14.960 Nothing about bigfoot monsters, Stasquatchydie. 50 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:16.759 I didn't know any of it. 51 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:20.919 So when I saw there movie, it was presented you 52 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:24.639 should take this seriously. The way it was being broadcast 53 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:28.759 at the theater. The whole presentation of that movie hit 54 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.759 me like a ton of bricks. I couldn't believe that 55 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:35.000 this was happening in Arkansas. At ten years old. Of 56 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:36.719 course I knew, you know, if you look at map 57 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:38.120 and you know where Arkansas is. 58 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:39.879 I couldn't believe this was really happening. 59 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:43.840 My next logical move, because by then I already had 60 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:47.080 a library card, was to go to the library look 61 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:50.360 up what available literature they had on the subject matter. 62 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:52.719 The lady there at the counter directed me to the 63 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:56.919 Big Boot Book and Stapsquatching Yetti. That's how I got started, 64 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:00.280 and I never let go. I'm sixty one now and 65 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:03.840 I was in when I got started, and I find 66 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:05.439 it beyond fascinating. 67 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:06.240 What a topic. 68 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:08.759 It is definitely one of those topics that keeps you 69 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:11.560 coming back for more. I love the mystery that's involved 70 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:14.240 in this. There's a ton of things that will hopefully 71 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:16.280 get to during the interview. But the first place I 72 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:18.960 want to start, obviously is with the Patterson Gimlin film. 73 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:22.080 That is something that comes up with everybody. I think 74 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.879 anybody who's interested in Bigfoot, most people who aren't even 75 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.280 interested in the subject, has seen that famous image of 76 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.719 Patty looking back at the camera. When did you really 77 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:35.439 get involved in looking in depth into this film? Where 78 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:38.280 were you then and where have you ended up in 79 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:41.159 that journey since you've been looking into this Patterson Gimlin film. 80 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:46.159 When it started to be broadcast on television in advertisements 81 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:49.879 for the movies, I guess there was another movie called 82 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:53.599 The Mysterious Monsters that came out at the movie theaters. 83 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:57.639 In their advertisements on TV was a short clip of 84 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:02.159 the Patterson Gimlan film. Parents had an eight millimeter movie camera, 85 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:04.639 so I thought to myself, the first time I really 86 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:07.439 used their camera, I wondered to myself if I could 87 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.639 take the movie that was shown on the TV screen 88 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.039 and film it with the camera, and. 89 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:15.560 It actually worked out pretty good. 90 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:18.879 So we had this hallway, and so when we got 91 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:22.160 the film developed, we had a hallway in our house 92 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:24.920 that I grew up in Norwalk. I did a lot 93 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.319 of not strange things, but innovative things that a young 94 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.519 teenager would do. I closed all the doors, and I 95 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:34.279 had some tell so I locked off all the lights 96 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.079 in the hallway, and I had an extension cord with 97 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:40.160 the projector, and I was looking at the film just 98 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:41.720 to see what I could see. 99 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:45.199 To me, it looked very impressive, very real. 100 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.839 So that's how I started to get intrigued by the 101 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:52.639 film itself. I didn't realize at the time, and this 102 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:57.319 was probably the mid seventies that even today, in twenty 103 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:01.639 twenty five, this would still be the most important piece 104 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.360 of evidence for the entire Big Book mystery. As I 105 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:08.839 was checking out books, there were two books, one by 106 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:12.839 John Green and one by Renee to Hindon. In both 107 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.680 of those books they had addresses at the back of 108 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:18.160 the book to write to the authors if you wanted 109 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:23.279 more information. So I wrote to John Green lo and behold. 110 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:26.360 I didn't say I'm a thirteen year old care or whatever, 111 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.439 but Team wrote back, so it got me more stocked in. 112 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.800 And then when I wrote to Renee to Hindon, Team 113 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:36.600 wrote back to me, and I just thought to myself, 114 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:40.120 this is incredible. So I got even more book on 115 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:43.800 the whole thing. I did not know at the time 116 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:47.639 that if you were thinking maybe baseball and basketball, that 117 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:52.160 you're dialing into Michael Jordan and channeling Babe Bruce at 118 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:56.399 the same time. I went straight to the top people instantly, 119 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:00.480 and they were my sources of information. That's how I 120 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.480 started to grow in the field, and I just got 121 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:04.600 that interest up. 122 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:07.079 Over all these years. 123 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:10.839 I have always been on the fence with Bigfoot in general. Frankly, 124 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.319 I had experiences when I was a child that I 125 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:14.959 believe I was paced out of the woods by one 126 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.279 of these things when I was twelve, and I've always 127 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.079 been fascinated with it, and I've always been fascinated with 128 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:22.959 the Patterson Gimblin film. But I've always been a very 129 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:25.959 skeptical person. I was telling you before we started the interview. 130 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:27.920 I did sixteen years in law enforcement. I have a 131 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:30.720 very nuts and bolts kind of brain. I'm a very 132 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:34.279 Okham's raisor scientific method kind of guy. I've got to 133 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:37.600 see the evidence, and for me, that film was always compelling. 134 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.319 I always felt there was something more there when I 135 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:42.959 saw the film, and I went back and forth. I've 136 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:46.199 read Greg Long's book about it, being Bob haranums in 137 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.360 this suit. But I've always, over the years concentrated more 138 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.800 on the only thing that we really have left, which 139 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:54.839 was Bob Gimlin. Roger Patterson passed away in the early 140 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.439 seventies of cancer. I know you got to get involved 141 00:06:58.439 --> 00:06:59.759 in that, and I certainly want to get into that 142 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:02.360 part of the story. But for me, I've always looked 143 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:04.519 at what Bob has said over the years and has 144 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:08.560 that evolved, Has there been any things that I've been 145 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:12.120 trained in interrogation techniques and interview techniques as a law 146 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:16.439 enforcement officer, so I concentrated more on some of the interviews. 147 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:18.759 So I went through and looked at some of the 148 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:21.680 things he had said in nineteen sixty seven, just a 149 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.560 few days after the film was made, versus what he 150 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:28.040 said later on in life. What has been your approach 151 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.120 and how have you looked into this film? Has it 152 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.639 been through the Bill Munn stuff, Has it been through 153 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.360 MK Davis? Have you done your own research? What has 154 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:39.480 been your approach to looking into this film and seeking 155 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:41.680 the answers that Daniel wanted from the film. 156 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:46.480 Everything in terms of consulting other people's learns, not his 157 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.519 first and foremost see if you want to learn something 158 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.800 about a subject, you have to consult or read other 159 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:56.759 people's literature about their thoughts for their investigation and research 160 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:57.279 in the matter. 161 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.680 So I'm very familiar with what MK did, this has done, 162 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:04.079 I'm very familiar with what pill Months has done, and 163 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:06.560 all the other people that have come before them. 164 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.360 Then I've done my own research, and I've been on 165 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.439 the film site quite a few times to establish in 166 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:16.199 twenty twelve, beyond the shadow of doubt that we were 167 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:18.600 on the film site, the correct film site. We did 168 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.759 several measurements to determine how far things were in relationship 169 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.839 to one another, and how far things were the background 170 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:28.240 creed in relationship to where. 171 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:29.600 The camera was placed. 172 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:32.679 But you've got to remember that Roger Patterson was on 173 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.840 the move, so the camera wasn't all the time in 174 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:40.120 one place. With regard to Bill mun Bill Munn has 175 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:42.440 mentioned in my book, and I'll take a moment to 176 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.960 show you this book just came out this month. It's 177 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:49.679 on sale right now. This is it right here, Bigfoot 178 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:53.840 at Block Creek, A Pictorial Discussion. It's one hundred and 179 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:57.399 thirty pages long, printed here in the United States on 180 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:02.120 book lost paper. It just the beautiful production. So we 181 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:05.879 discussed Bill Muns. We just got MK Davis. Nolgrim has 182 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.320 mentioned the late Eric Extort has mentioned, Bob Fitness is 183 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:11.000 in here, John Green is in here. 184 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:12.559 Rene to Hindon is in here. 185 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:18.039 It really showcases all the important and significant work that 186 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:21.320 was done on the film side. The pass in comments 187 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:24.840 say that someone might put on Facebook or something that 188 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.320 oh I could see in the background there's little one 189 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:29.399 out there, but. 190 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:33.600 You don't put much credence in there on that statement. 191 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.519 You just move on that these are just colorful statements. 192 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:41.320 But other people, as I've mentioned, between say Lyya Labberty 193 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:44.440 who was on the film side, Bob Fitness, Jim McClaren, 194 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:48.200 John Green, Renee To Hindon, they're mentioned in the sense 195 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:51.639 that this is what they've done with regard to the 196 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:56.080 film site that is significant. So all of that's encapsulated 197 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.240 in this book. It's full color. 198 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.159 So it's an incredible book and it's self published. 199 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:05.879 If not something that I would allow a publisher to publish, accept, 200 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:07.879 I want to do this on my own because I 201 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:10.080 want to have total control of production. 202 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:12.879 So was there ever a point when you saw the 203 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:15.799 film that you had your doubts about it or were 204 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:19.039 you always sold that they had captured a sasquatch on 205 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:20.399 film as I. 206 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:21.080 Was growing up. 207 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:24.320 You've got to remember so when you're from tend to 208 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.039 age twenty five, your brain is also developing as well 209 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:31.879 as is your body. As you take the science courses 210 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:34.039 in college and in high school. 211 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:37.039 It creates a more critical thinker. 212 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:40.879 So I started looking at it a little more scientifically 213 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:45.759 and again consulting what other people have done, mostly today 214 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:50.200 because of the film stabilization, and I think MK Davis 215 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.399 was one of the first people to do something like 216 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:55.960 that stabilize the frame, essentially take the jiggle out of 217 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:57.879 the film, because Roger. 218 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:01.360 Patterson was running for a portion as he was filming 219 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:02.279 so the film. 220 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.000 If he would look at my hand, it was jiggling 221 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:07.480 all over, especially in the early parts of the movie. 222 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:10.600 When they stabilized the film a little better, you could 223 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.960 see it better and you could start understanding or start 224 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:18.399 viewing for yourself. Oh my goodness, those look like muscle 225 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:21.759 mass is moving, and they appeared to be moving in 226 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:25.480 concert like a person. Would you get the expansion the 227 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:30.039 contraction exactly when it should be had it been a 228 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:33.960 costume as Rerenee de Hinden. You would often say if 229 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:38.840 that a gorilla costume would not accentuate the muscle, it 230 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:40.320 would conceal the muscle. 231 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:41.600 So the fact that. 232 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:45.799 You're seeing the muscle mass of moving that's very important 233 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:49.919 as of today because of that work that's been done, 234 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:54.240 the stabilization and the various reports, Jeff Blickman's report as well, 235 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:57.960 who studied the film for Peter burn. I'm one hundred 236 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:01.480 percent convinced that what can that film that last about 237 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.279 just less than a minute is a female digbook. I 238 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.480 have no trouble with that. Maybe a lot of other 239 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.080 people do. It's just one of many that lives here 240 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:14.399 in North America. Patty's probably passed on by now. She 241 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:18.440 looked like she was an adult in nineteen fifty seven. 242 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:22.639 But as we know, the primates such as gorillas and 243 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.799 chimpanzees do not live as long as people, So she's 244 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:30.960 probably passed on. What became of her remains, who knows, 245 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:34.440 But that's my opinion. I can't prove it to other people. 246 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:38.039 But I've discussed all of this in this book that 247 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:40.120 has been a long time coming. 248 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.200 Let's talk a little bit about the people behind the film, 249 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.600 because again, that's what I concentrated on in my research 250 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:49.039 looking into the film. Obviously, Roger passed away in the 251 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:50.840 early seventies, but I know you got to spend some 252 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:54.200 time with Roger's widow, and I know you spent time 253 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.559 with Bob Gimlin. Can you talk a little bit about 254 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:59.840 what you've learned in this process about the people behind 255 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.360 those two guys, Roger Patterson Bob Gimlin, And did that 256 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:07.120 go further to solidify the authenticity of the film or 257 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.960 did it cause you to have any angst or any 258 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:12.720 red flags that were thrown up in your research into 259 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:13.120 the people. 260 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.000 The only thing that I would like to know today 261 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:19.919 is where the film was processed. In this book we 262 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:24.600 discussed it. The location would be the Technicolor in Seattle, 263 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.559 which is no more, and the other options were a 264 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:31.519 Ford Motion Picture Lab, also in Seattle, and there was 265 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:36.080 also another one there in Seattle as well as possible Canada. 266 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:39.039 I never met Roger Patterson, but I have met his widow, 267 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:40.279 Patricia Patterson. 268 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:44.000 I met her one time. I was in her house. 269 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.799 By then she had moved from the outskirts of the 270 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.200 Acama into the city. Because I guess when she was 271 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:53.480 living on the outskirts. The snow accumulation, she'd have to 272 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:56.480 hire people to come in and clean everything off, and 273 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:59.120 she just said the heck withus. IM getting older, she 274 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:02.720 moved into the city into a much smaller home. So 275 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:06.679 when they had the Yakama Bigfoot round up, I guess 276 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:10.080 that was June of two thousand and nine. I attended 277 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:13.159 that meet. I went over to see pat Patterson the 278 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:14.440 first and only time I. 279 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:17.600 Met her at the time when Roger got the film. 280 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.360 She had three small children, so she was a full 281 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:23.919 time off Roger was always doing his thing. Once he 282 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.919 found out about Bigfoot, he was stung ho all the way, 283 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:32.519 no stopping me, one hundred miles per hour. It probably 284 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:35.039 never occurred to Roger that he had a family to 285 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:38.480 support and had three kids, so she was really like 286 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.879 the mom and dad of those kids. But Roger was 287 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:45.960 phoning and had phone calls from various people, such as 288 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:48.639 the late doctor John nay Pierre, who wrote a book 289 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:51.720 about the subject in nineteen seventy three, I believe, and 290 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:54.039 he had all these phone calls coming in from very 291 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:58.440 important people, from the news people, from John Green, from 292 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:02.120 Renee to Hendon, and she would often overhear some of 293 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:04.960 this stuff, and so she would tell me, Yeah, she 294 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:08.120 told me point blank that in terms of where the 295 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:12.080 film was processed, she goes Seattle, but she never knew 296 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:16.120 where in Seattle, only that Seattle was the location. 297 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:20.159 And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out Toesy. We'll be 298 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:23.919 right back after these messages. 299 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.200 And that kind of fits with my research and other 300 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:30.480 people who have researched the matter in terms of where 301 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.879 the film was bossed. Then we could jump over to 302 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.679 Bob Gimmlin. I met Bob Gimlin originally in the summer 303 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:42.159 of nineteen ninety. I was coming home from the Seattle 304 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:43.639 Good Wold Games at the time. 305 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:45.279 Actually, believe it or not. 306 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:47.360 When I was up at the Goodwool Games at the 307 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:50.919 Husky Stadium, Ed Turner was there because it was his game. 308 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:53.639 I was there for the track and field. He had 309 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:58.000 a security detail around him, and Jane Fonda was with 310 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.919 him too, his wife at the time. So here I was, 311 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:03.879 whatever age I was in nineteen ninety, I'm on the 312 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.639 outside of the stadium. He's on the outside of the stadium. 313 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:10.360 He had in security detail with him. Reflectively, I did 314 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.279 go oh, Ted Turner and I reached my hand through 315 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:16.480 the security and he reached his hand out and I 316 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:17.200 shook his hand. 317 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:19.840 So that was incredible. I'm not shook. 318 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:22.279 On the way home back to Los Angeles, I said 319 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.440 I should probably stop in and see Bob Gimlin. 320 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:28.600 He didn't know I was coming, and at the time. 321 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:30.799 I think he had sold off some of the properties, 322 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:32.360 but he had horses. 323 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:35.720 When I drove up to his house, he was actually 324 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:36.559 outside from He. 325 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:39.639 Had a broken I guess maybe forearm or part of 326 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:41.679 his arm was broken because it was in a flame, 327 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:44.879 and in his other hand he was training a horse. 328 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.000 Even with a broken arm, he was training a horse. 329 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:52.240 I pulled up and stopped and I go, uh, something like, 330 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:55.840 are you Bob Dimlin, And he shook his head in affirmative, 331 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:58.759 and I told him I was Daniel Perez and he 332 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.679 knew who I was nineteen ninety. So we started talking 333 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.680 our first chat, and when I got out of it, 334 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:08.680 this is almost his exact word. 335 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:12.559 He said, it moved like a well oiled machine. 336 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:16.599 It was just a very smooth. He was one hundred 337 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:20.359 percent condemned in that nineteen ninety discussion with me. He 338 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:23.359 didn't know I was dumping, but he knew who I was, 339 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:26.640 so he entertained me, and that's what I got out 340 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.160 of it. I remember, quote for quote that it moved 341 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.160 like a well oiled machine. Then he tethered his horse, 342 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:36.119 and then he took me to the house. He introduced 343 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:38.880 me to his wife and she came out and said hello, 344 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:41.000 And that was basically it. I just wanted to stop 345 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:43.279 and see him. He allowed me to take a few 346 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:47.200 photos and I did, and it was very positive about what. 347 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:47.880 He had told me. 348 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:52.799 That it further confirmed that everything that happened in sixty seven. 349 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:54.279 Was probably legit. 350 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:57.720 Like I said, my only thing is that what would 351 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:01.279 be interesting would be, you know what the film was processed? 352 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.839 And Roger Patterson did talk with a man from the newspaper, 353 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:09.000 and it's discussed in this new book of mine. A 354 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:11.720 newspaper article where the reporter said where did you have 355 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.200 the film process? He says, I got it process or 356 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:18.759 I got them process the footprint film and the creature 357 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.559 film at a private place. Then he also said, this 358 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.319 is almost exact quote. He said something to the fact 359 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:29.079 that it would jeopardize the man's job if it were told. 360 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:32.599 So we know for a fact, based on what Roger 361 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.119 said is that the person who processed the film was 362 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.839 a man, but at a private place. Maybe he just 363 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:43.519 said private place to throw people off, because everything kind 364 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:46.359 of points to Ford the Motion Picture Lab at a 365 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:47.920 place where it was processed. 366 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.680 Gene Bade from Renton. 367 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:54.599 Washington also wrote a book and he has interviewed some 368 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:58.759 people who will also point in that direction, and he 369 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:02.240 discusses in his book about the possible venue where the 370 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:06.559 film was shot developed at the Technicolor lab. It was 371 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:10.920 called Technicolor in Seattle, and that's what Genis come to 372 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:14.680 the conclusion, and that seems to be my conclusion as well. 373 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.400 So that's the only thing that I would love to 374 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.839 know after who wrote the original piece in the Eureka 375 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:25.799 Time Standard, because that was the original publicity that the 376 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:30.160 world found out about the film was an article the 377 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.599 thestike Footest Film. There's something along those lines, but no 378 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:36.799 one ever knew who wrote the article, And as the 379 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:41.319 years went by, a lot of budding researchers speculated, oh 380 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.559 much have been Andrew Jim Joyly because he was always 381 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:49.039 writing the Bigfoot pieces for the Eureka Time Standards. 382 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:53.720 But in that article there's no bylock. So I researched 383 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:55.799 the matter, and in two thousand and six. 384 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:59.200 I went to the microfilms of the newspaper to find 385 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:02.799 out if we could find out an answer low and behold, 386 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:07.039 one week or maybe two weeks after that, there was 387 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:11.920 a secondary article about the Patterson Genland film. The writer 388 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:17.000 of it was al Soascatto coos Pado. I believe that's 389 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:20.039 how he sell the last name. He's deceased now, but 390 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:22.319 it looks like he was the individual who picked up 391 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:25.960 the phone when Roger called to the newspaper, alerting the 392 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:30.359 world about his film. So I was able to establish 393 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:34.680 that through the library research, in which the secondary article 394 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:37.920 on the film has some of the same phrases that 395 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:42.880 you see in the original article. But back then with newspapers, 396 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.440 if you were to left copy from one newspaper and 397 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:50.640 put it in another without quotation, that would be considered plagiarism. 398 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:53.920 And back then the newspaper was the World Wide Web, 399 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:58.279 and if he did that, he basically got fired. But 400 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:02.559 if you're borrowing from your fel it's not plagiarism because 401 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:06.839