Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you're listening to
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going to make people wait like a week.
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Speaker 1: of times that we're doing a giveaway here coming up soon.
Speaker 1: That giveaway is gonna be a little ways out, so
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Speaker 1: So I went ahead and contacted a friend of mine, Dana.
Speaker 2: This is Dana, yep. I was just gonna be like,
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Speaker 2: It looks cool, and I kept calling it a butterfly
Speaker 2: but I which is so wrong. But I think that
Speaker 2: only only just like shows how pretty it is. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, because yeah, when you think of a moth,
Speaker 2: I think of that like nasty beige colored thing that's
Speaker 2: always like in your freaking face.
Speaker 1: No, anyone who plays Animal Crossing, this is that like
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Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 1: Actually, we'll make sure we'll do it.
Speaker 2: Well. That means you have to do it tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do it.
Speaker 2: Oh, witch, you could do it. I have others stuff
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Speaker 1: I want you to do it.
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, Okay, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know nothing about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you even know what it's about? Completely in
Speaker 2: the dark, which I love. I love that. I love
Speaker 2: that I kept you in the dark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear about it. What do we got?
Speaker 2: So this is the story. Sorry, this is the story
Speaker 2: of a man wanting his wife dead and then the
Speaker 2: process of doing that killed twenty two other people.
Speaker 1: Holy shit?
Speaker 2: Does that peak your interests a little bit? If that
Speaker 2: don't peak your interests? And I don't know what will,
Speaker 2: I really don't.
Speaker 1: That's definitely interest peaking worthy.
Speaker 2: I know it's wild.
Speaker 1: Twenty three you said.
Speaker 2: Twenty yeah, twenty three people, twenty two other people other
Speaker 2: than his wife.
Speaker 1: He just gave a little bit of a way I did.
Speaker 2: Shit, you made me fuck up.
Speaker 1: It's all good, good. I had to say, yeah, twenty three.
Speaker 1: All right, that's the episode.
Speaker 2: Guys. Hey, yeah, boom done? Anyway? Oh grab Okay. So
Speaker 2: his name's Joseph Albert Gway. Okay, And this is actually
Speaker 2: another little thing I have to put out there is
Speaker 2: it's like in Quebec. Okay, So there's like French stuff
Speaker 2: and just like, don't judge me.
Speaker 1: Well, now I know how I feel when I was
Speaker 1: doing the maple syrup one.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, okay, the mount Okay. I have like a
Speaker 2: ton of table lipen on my laptop right now that
Speaker 2: are like how to pronounce this, and that's all I've
Speaker 2: been listening to. But I'm still going to freak it up.
Speaker 1: It's in one year, out the other, the moment that
Speaker 1: Mike starts.
Speaker 2: It's just I know, so anyway, just people already know
Speaker 2: we'd have pronouncing stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, deal with it.
Speaker 2: So josephbout Albert Gway, and I'm going to refer to
Speaker 2: him as Albert. He was born on September twenty third,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighteen. He's the youngest of five children, and he
Speaker 2: was a spoilt little brat okay, who always expected to
Speaker 2: get his way. It just like sounds like you.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, Okay, we're both.
Speaker 2: Thinking, oh, anyway, he love you. And that kind of
Speaker 2: attitude followed him into his adult life. Okay, so real
Speaker 2: winner here, Yeah, no kidding. As a young man, Albert
Speaker 2: worked in the jewelry biz. He sold jewelry and watches
Speaker 2: on commission. He was a natural salesman, very.
Speaker 1: Persistent, persistent, probably got charisma charm too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you go, we're describing him. When World
Speaker 2: War two broke out in nineteen forty five, Albert worked
Speaker 2: at a Canadian arsenal. I hate saying that word arsenal
Speaker 2: arsenal does it sound I just feel like I'm going
Speaker 2: to say like assholes, which is so weird.
Speaker 1: It's not close to being.
Speaker 2: This, it's like arsenal. Like, it just makes me feel
Speaker 2: like I'm saying a weird word.
Speaker 1: Arsehole maybe is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Maybe if people don't know what that is, because I
Speaker 2: wasn't even certain an.
Speaker 1: Arsehole that's your buttole.
Speaker 2: It's a place where weapons and military equipment are stored
Speaker 2: and made. Did you know that, Ben?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: During this time, he was also met his future wife,
Speaker 2: Rita Morell Rita Morel, Rita.
Speaker 1: Morel like he met her at the Arsenal. The arsehole, I.
Speaker 2: Think, I think so, I just had during the same
Speaker 2: time that he was working at the Arsenal arsenal.
Speaker 1: So whether there or somewhere else at that that time, yeah, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 2: So after the arsenal closed in nineteen forty five, Albert
Speaker 2: opened a jewelry and watch repair shop, in Quebec City
Speaker 2: and him and Rita had their first child.
Speaker 1: Oh nice.
Speaker 2: This is when shit went south though, And this is
Speaker 2: freaking wild what I'm about to say. Albert, being the
Speaker 2: spoiled brat he was, didn't like being second pill to
Speaker 2: a baby.
Speaker 1: Oh shit.
Speaker 2: He was jealous that the baby was taking up so
Speaker 2: much of Rita's time and attention.
Speaker 1: What the fuck.
Speaker 2: A freak? So that he's like a spoilt brat, but
Speaker 2: like this is also his kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what what kind of mentality do you have
Speaker 1: to be jealous of your own child's attention.
Speaker 2: Taking up up like your wife's attention. Like that's really messed.
Speaker 1: That is self.
Speaker 2: You never heard of anything like that, but yeah, me either.
Speaker 2: So like this guy is wow. At the same time,
Speaker 2: his business was also beginning to fail and debts were
Speaker 2: piling up, so I don't know, maybe that could have
Speaker 2: had something to do with it. I'm being really kind
Speaker 2: by saying playing Devil's advocate.
Speaker 1: Yeah gotcha.
Speaker 2: So his eye began to wander for new happiness, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: which is when he laid eyes on nineteen year old
Speaker 2: Marie Ange, a teenage waitress.
Speaker 1: How old is he? He was born eighteen eight here.
Speaker 1: Ok sorry, just wait, I'm sorry, I'm getting ahead of you,
Speaker 1: and was.
Speaker 2: Either nineteen or seventeen. There was like a ton of
Speaker 2: reports with either age, but I just decided to go
Speaker 2: with nineteen because I felt it was less gross because
Speaker 2: Albert would have been around thirty at the time. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 2: so nineteen, so young, but it's at least it's legal,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, a little bit just listening to this, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's gross.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna just say she's nineteen. Albert going by
Speaker 2: the name of Roger Angers Angers. Yeah, the two of
Speaker 2: them began having an affair.
Speaker 1: Oh so she was into him too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're into each other.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: He even offered her an engagement ring and.
Speaker 1: He's already married. Yeah, that's just all around, just fucking dumb.
Speaker 2: Like I'm sorry, I don't think. I don't think that
Speaker 2: he could have just gotten remarried. But this is where
Speaker 2: the whole thing comes together.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm gonna just not rant and ravee. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: Rina did find out about the affair and confronted the pair.
Speaker 2: It's unclear if this cause caused Marianne to leave the
Speaker 2: relationship with Albert right away or a short time after,
Speaker 2: but she did end up leaving him, telling him since
Speaker 2: he was married, there was no point in continuing with
Speaker 2: the affair. There was no point, like she left because
Speaker 2: he's married, they're not going to be able to get married,
Speaker 2: Like she's just on the side, Like, what the fuck's
Speaker 2: the point got you?
Speaker 1: I got the women mixed up for.
Speaker 2: This piece, which she didn't want to.
Speaker 1: Be that side piece.
Speaker 2: Yes, she wanted to be the main piece.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this made Albert furious, though.
Speaker 1: Furious So I mean if my side piece ran away,
Speaker 1: I'd be pissed off too.
Speaker 2: Would you? Yeah, So the only logical next step would
Speaker 2: be to get rid of the wife, right, Well, I
Speaker 2: mean that makes sense really, Like what the fuck else
Speaker 2: is there to do? Which is just like so bullshit,
Speaker 2: Like he's cheating and also annoyed that they have a
Speaker 2: child that she's like raising and he's fucking mad.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, literally everything here he is the root cause
Speaker 1: so far, like his business is fair.
Speaker 2: Again, I was actually trying not to be biased in
Speaker 2: any of this, but even just me reading it, he
Speaker 2: sounds like a piss of shit.
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, his business is failing, his marriage
Speaker 1: is clearly failing. He is jealous of his own offspring
Speaker 1: and his affair didn't work out. That is all to
Speaker 1: do with not necessarily only himself, but at least involving himself.
Speaker 2: So Albert concocted a plan to get Rita out of
Speaker 2: the picture because divorcing her, and this is actually true,
Speaker 2: divorcing her simply was not an option because at the
Speaker 2: time Quebec was strictly Catholic, so divorce was like frowned
Speaker 2: upon and like pretty much almost impossible. Yeah, because I
Speaker 2: was like, I read one report where they just said
Speaker 2: simply not an option. I was like, why it's not
Speaker 2: an option? And I had to dig into that because
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean, good investigation work.
Speaker 1: Good job.
Speaker 2: Albert asked a clockmaker, Genneru Roost, who had a talent
Speaker 2: for mechanical work, to construct a time bomb.
Speaker 1: I was really hoping you were going to say time machine.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is that would be sweet? A time
Speaker 2: bomb for him, using dynamite batteries and an alarm clock.
Speaker 2: The dynamite had been purchased at a hardware store by
Speaker 2: Genneru's sister, Marguerite Patrie. I think I'm doing okay. These names.
Speaker 1: Can I hold you up for just one second?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: So he just goes over to this watchmaker is like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you make me a bomb? And she's like, sure
Speaker 1: that that's that he. I think it was they whoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm getting into that he had his reasonings, okay,
Speaker 2: and I think it was like I didn't put it
Speaker 2: in here, but I think that he like worked for him,
Speaker 2: but that was it was. There was different reports. I
Speaker 2: did mention to you earlier because it's like, this is
Speaker 2: like a case from way back in the day. So
Speaker 2: it's almost a game of telephone where I think things change,
Speaker 2: and so many different reports have different not like the
Speaker 2: main story is the same, but little tidbits that are different.
Speaker 1: It's hard to get those details straight.
Speaker 2: So I just picked the one that's like mostly us
Speaker 2: and the one that makes sense. So yeah, he asked
Speaker 2: him to make this bomb, and the nynamite was purchased
Speaker 2: by his sister, Marguerite Patri Patrue Patri, who was also
Speaker 2: familiar with Albert as she helped arrange liaisons between Albert
Speaker 2: and his mistress. Oh so, the reason Albert gave for
Speaker 2: needing a bomb was to clear stumps from his field.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, still.
Speaker 2: Is that a reason for needing a bomb?
Speaker 1: No? But I mean still.
Speaker 2: That was his reasoning.
Speaker 1: At least he has a reason. He didn't just go, hey,
Speaker 1: just make me a bomb.
Speaker 2: The dude's like, Okay, this is what he said to
Speaker 2: the dude.
Speaker 1: That's just slightly shifty. Hey make me a timed bomb.
Speaker 1: It's uh for the stumps in my field.
Speaker 2: I know. I feel like people would be like huh yeah.
Speaker 2: And I mean like if he worked for him, maybe
Speaker 2: he was just like felt like he needed to. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Also, at the time, sales of explosion explosives to civilians
Speaker 2: in Canada was recorded, but it wasn't strictly regulated. Because
Speaker 2: I don't feel like, now we could just go get dynamite,
Speaker 2: could we? I know, Okay, I mean like I've never
Speaker 2: looked into it, but it's like, I don't feel like
Speaker 2: that's something we could just go by.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure if you are able to there's to
Speaker 1: be some seriously strict shit going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, So this is interesting. He initially considered poisoning
Speaker 2: Rita and had offered a friend five hundred dollars to
Speaker 2: poison her drink, but the friend apparently is not a
Speaker 2: piece of shit and.
Speaker 1: Refused well on that non piece.
Speaker 2: That was his first idea. So then he came up with,
Speaker 2: in his opinion, a better plan that he felt authorities
Speaker 2: would not be able to track back to him. Albert
Speaker 2: traveled frequently by airplane to deliver and receive merchandise, so
Speaker 2: his plan was to convince his wife to take one
Speaker 2: of the trips for him.
Speaker 1: And blow up the plane.
Speaker 2: Have this timed bomb present on that same airplane.
Speaker 1: Okay, you've mentioned this case in the past, telling me
Speaker 1: that you wanted to do this one.
Speaker 2: Because honestly, I've had this on my list forever, yeah, forever,
Speaker 2: and I just never did it for some reason. Like
Speaker 2: that's like screwed up page.
Speaker 1: That is very fucked up.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, think like about all the other people
Speaker 2: on that plane, Like what the hell didn't care a
Speaker 2: self absorbed piece of ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fucking trash trash. Do we have a badass
Speaker 1: of the day in this episode or can I just
Speaker 1: like straight up deal it to the guy who refused
Speaker 1: to poison someone, because I mean, that's not like that's
Speaker 1: a bad that's just a normal thing.
Speaker 2: But I don't really think we do. So, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess it's the friend.
Speaker 1: A friend who refused to be a shitty person, but.
Speaker 2: Then did the friend also like, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't think he can be a reward of that, because
Speaker 2: like he should have also turned him in. Maybe he tried.
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't even think. I don't think.
Speaker 1: So we'll find out if there is or is I
Speaker 1: don't think there is.
Speaker 2: So the next step was convincing Rita to take one
Speaker 2: of his trips for him. He said it was imperative
Speaker 2: she go to Baekomo Como to retrieve some jewels that
Speaker 2: he bought for the business. She was very unwilling. He
Speaker 2: was asking someone to do him a favor that wasn't
Speaker 2: exactly happy with him. It wasn't a happy marriage, and
Speaker 2: it's not like she just found out that he was
Speaker 2: having an affair or anything like. I'm pretty sure if
Speaker 2: I was in that role, i'd be like, so go
Speaker 2: f yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're not happy. She just found out the affair, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a favor, fuck yourself, you piece of shit.
Speaker 2: But remember Albert was very persuasive and used to getting
Speaker 2: his own way right. Yeah, so in the end she
Speaker 2: did agree. Fuck I wish she didn't. The package containing
Speaker 2: the bomb also needed to be delivered to the airport.
Speaker 2: Marguerite was the one in charge of that, and the
Speaker 2: morning of the flight dropped of a very heavy parcel
Speaker 2: with the same destination as the flight Rita would be boarding.
Speaker 2: It was reported she did this in exchange for or
Speaker 2: to cancel a six hundred dollars debt that she had
Speaker 2: with Albert.
Speaker 1: I mean, if successful, that would have been a sweet deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like six hundred bucks back then, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of yeah, what.
Speaker 1: Nineteen forty five or forty eight somewhere in there, so yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nineteen forty nine, forty nine, Okay, so oh,
Speaker 2: which I'll kind of reference how much money that is
Speaker 2: kind of in a minute, because and this is apparently
Speaker 2: after dropping readA off at the airport, Albert took out
Speaker 2: an additional insurance policy on read Up in the amount
Speaker 2: of ten thousand, which would be equivalent to over one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand today.
Speaker 1: That's how he got caught, isn't it. You don't have
Speaker 1: to tell me, but that's probably how he got caught.
Speaker 2: Not really, okay, but apparently one article I did read
Speaker 2: said that that was an overly questioning back then because
Speaker 2: like I don't know, I don't know when airplanes were
Speaker 2: invented and stuff, but I think people were still like sketched.
Speaker 1: Out about them and so okay.
Speaker 2: So I don't think that would have been like a
Speaker 2: super like red flag.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's like plane, I'll want to get extra
Speaker 1: insurance just in case that shit fucking goes down.
Speaker 2: Because he did make sure that he bought a return ticket, Okay,
Speaker 2: So he wasn't like being a total cheap ass, so
Speaker 2: he covered his bases there because he could have just
Speaker 2: bought in one way and saved himself some money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then it definitely does look sketch.
Speaker 2: Totally would totally would. The flight number was one awight,
Speaker 2: operated by Canadian Specific Airlines Pacific Airlines, flying from Montreal
Speaker 2: to Bay Como. See, I'm probably pronouncing the same work
Speaker 2: differently throughout this. I just like there with me with
Speaker 2: the stopover in Quebec City, which is where ritaboarded. Albert
Speaker 2: had done calculations for the bomb to go off. Well,
Speaker 2: the plane was flying over the Saint Lawrence River. This
Speaker 2: was his way of making forensic examination of the crash
Speaker 2: pretty much impossible because with the technology that they had,
Speaker 2: like if it was underwater, like they.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, they're screwed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was that was his whole idea. However, however, however,
Speaker 2: there was a delay at takeoff of of course imagine that. Eh.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they had like the kind of
Speaker 2: lays that we do now back then, but like your
Speaker 2: flight can be freaking delayed as hacking. That's on time,
Speaker 2: I know, like it would at least always be five minutes,
Speaker 2: like like always.
Speaker 1: So I think they'd take into account delays because I
Speaker 1: know a lot of planes I've been on. They arrive
Speaker 1: on time, but they always take off late.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But I think it also depends how the
Speaker 2: wind is going to Like I think that can help
Speaker 2: you go quicker count it.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got a back wind, yeah, pushing
Speaker 1: you along.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Someone who's into aviation, hit us up, let us know
Speaker 1: how this works.
Speaker 2: I also know that like flying just makes me ill
Speaker 2: now as I get older. Yeah, it's not as fun,
Speaker 2: like it's like you want to and you want to
Speaker 2: go to all these cool places now, but it's just
Speaker 2: like it makes me feel It's like I.
Speaker 1: Want to go to Japan. But it's going to be
Speaker 1: like how many like eighteen hours at least of flying
Speaker 1: to get there.
Speaker 2: Do I really want to go to pan Yeah? Okay.
Speaker 2: So this meant that the bomb would detonate five minutes
Speaker 2: earlier in the flight than planned, causing the plane to
Speaker 2: crash on land rather than in the river. On September ninth,
Speaker 2: nineteen forty nine, forty five minutes into flight one, oh wait,
Speaker 2: the plane exploded over salt cocone co cone Quebec. It
Speaker 2: was salt when I'm just stuttering, Maybe that helps. It
Speaker 2: was described by onlookers that it was like the plane
Speaker 2: had hit an object. Oh wow, it hit an object
Speaker 2: in air. It lost altitude extremely quickly and disappeared behind
Speaker 2: steep mountains inane. I know, honestly, like that would be
Speaker 2: a sight and a half. Hey, I would be terrified
Speaker 2: just to see, Yeah, you'd pissed your pants. Really. Investigators
Speaker 2: with Canadian specificsic wanting to say specific, but it's Pacific Airlines,
Speaker 2: searching for the wreckage, found the plane at night, guided
Speaker 2: by torch lights, which just like such a visual like
Speaker 2: going through the night like with these torch lights, like
Speaker 2: looking for this, Like that's like creepy vibes, not like
Speaker 2: a because.
Speaker 1: You held your hand up like it's a wooden torch.
Speaker 1: It's most likely going to be like torch lanterns, So
Speaker 1: it's mostly going to be like a lantern with like
Speaker 1: a candle or something like a flame inside still, and
Speaker 1: they'll have mirrors in the back to direct the light forward,
Speaker 1: so it's almost like a spotlight, but it's flamelet I.
Speaker 2: Still think that's creepy, But yeah, I guess I was
Speaker 2: a little bit further back in time.
Speaker 1: I and my like, you're like pitchfork in the air
Speaker 1: sort of things that you're just gestering.
Speaker 2: If only people could see my gesterres are really weird.
Speaker 1: Italian hands last time pitchforks and flames and shit. This time.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was a remote forested location obvious, and that
Speaker 2: the scene was described as intolerable with bodies laying around
Speaker 2: the ground near the metallic carcass of a plane.
Speaker 1: That's quite the description at night.
Speaker 2: With your torches like brutal. Hey, no one had survived
Speaker 2: the bomb, So no one had survived. The bomb did
Speaker 2: successfully then kill Albert's wife, but in the process it
Speaker 2: also killed every single other person on the plane, all
Speaker 2: four crew members and nineteen passengers including oh no, four children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where you're going with that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know. The victims were all Canadians except for
Speaker 2: three American executives from the ken Caught Utah Copper Company,
Speaker 2: so there was even three Americans on there. Just how
Speaker 2: to throw live in there. And it's interesting the plane
Speaker 2: didn't catch fire upon impact, so it was in relatively
Speaker 2: and I'm quoting relatively good condition. And this helped with
Speaker 2: the investigation.
Speaker 1: As far as an impact from a plane could.
Speaker 2: Go, because I don't know, I would think like that
Speaker 2: it would just blow up almost but no, it didn't
Speaker 2: catch fire or nothing locked out because the initial theory,
Speaker 2: of course, was mechanical malfunction. I don't think anyone's brain
Speaker 2: would just be like, oh my gosh, someone bombed the plane.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's well. I mean nowadays maybe, but yeah, not
Speaker 1: back then.
Speaker 2: But that was thrown out almost instantly, and the investigators
Speaker 2: were able to determine exactly where where the bomb had exploded.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I'm interested in the evidence in how they
Speaker 1: trail it back to him. What's the douchebag's name again?
Speaker 2: Albert?
Speaker 1: Albert? Okay, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Was like, I don't know, I was just kidding. I
Speaker 2: also wanted to note the bombing was not the first
Speaker 2: instance of sabotaging a passenger's flight for criminal criminal purposes,
Speaker 2: but it was the first to be solved and received
Speaker 2: wide news media coverage locally abroad. Apparently this is interesting.
Speaker 2: Several months prior, a civilian plane was the target of
Speaker 2: an attack in the Philippines, which could have been how
Speaker 2: Albert got this idea. That was what one report said.
Speaker 1: He was influenced, influenced these influencers on Instagram what they're doing,
Speaker 1: and he followed suit. So.
Speaker 2: With the baggage compartment on the left side of the
Speaker 2: plane torn to pieces and containing items that had been
Speaker 2: picked up in their quick stopover in Quebec City, Marguerite
Speaker 2: was in trouble.
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, what happened? What happened? What happened? Tell me,
Speaker 1: tell me.
Speaker 2: The log book indicated that there was a last minute
Speaker 2: parcel drop off addressed to a non existent person with
Speaker 2: a fake address.
Speaker 1: Oh shit.
Speaker 2: An airport employee led police to look for a tall
Speaker 2: woman in black who had arrived in a taxi, and
Speaker 2: the taxi driver would later describe Marguerite as an elegant
Speaker 2: woman holding a package on her lap with the word
Speaker 2: fragile written on it, repeatedly expressing to him drive careful
Speaker 2: and not to speed.
Speaker 1: That's sketch right there, I know, freaking nitroglycerine in there
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like holy shit, I would probably be like
Speaker 2: peeing myself caring that. Yeah, that statement of hers though,
Speaker 2: it's very interesting because according to Marguerite, she believed the
Speaker 2: package contained a statue of virgin Mary. So if you
Speaker 2: just had okay in the box. She always said that
Speaker 2: she just had a statue, that's what she believed was
Speaker 2: in that box.
Speaker 1: But she she knew it was a bomb though.
Speaker 2: Right, actually it's not for sure really, yeah, I like
Speaker 2: we'll get to this in like the trials and stuff.
Speaker 2: But she always like said she was innocent, that she
Speaker 2: believed that it was a statue of virgin Mary in there.
Speaker 2: But then what the taxi driver said doesn't make any
Speaker 2: sense because if she just believed it was a statue,
Speaker 2: like would she give a shit if he was speeding
Speaker 2: or like going fast?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense considering because she said
Speaker 1: that she was a liaison with the whole like woman
Speaker 1: on the side thing. I lost my terminology for what
Speaker 1: that is? Fair, fair, thank you liaison for the affair.
Speaker 1: She's most likely in his good books for having knowledge
Speaker 1: of this secretive stuff. So why would she not have
Speaker 1: been in on the whole knowledge of the bomb, because
Speaker 1: what was her relationship with the clock maker dude who
Speaker 1: built the bomb?
Speaker 2: That was the sibling. There were the siblings, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's I almost guarantee you.
Speaker 2: But well you'll find out too. The clockmaker says he's
Speaker 2: innocent too.
Speaker 1: How the fuck he made it?
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, you're jumping the fuck ahead?
Speaker 1: Well you just told me the clock. You're jumping ahead.
Speaker 1: You talked about the clock. Make her not me?
Speaker 2: Okay, keep going, Okay, I'm going to keep going. I
Speaker 2: feel like you actually cannot wait at all to like
Speaker 2: find out what the heck happened. You're the most impatient.
Speaker 1: I like to dissect shit. Okay, I'm sorry. I like
Speaker 1: to understand and then and this doesn't make sense right now.
Speaker 2: So, realizing that she was the main suspect in like
Speaker 2: such a horrible crime, Marguerite became suicidal. I'm playing Devil's
Speaker 2: advocate here because it's not certain if she knew what
Speaker 2: was actually in the parcel or not. It was also
Speaker 2: in some reports that Elbert apparently showed up at her
Speaker 2: house and told her that the parcel she delivered to
Speaker 2: the airport contained the bomb and encouraged her to commit
Speaker 2: suicide as she would be to blame for the explosion.
Speaker 1: He encouraged her to commit suicide potentially potentially. Fuck, he's
Speaker 1: definitely a shit bag.
Speaker 2: I know, like he's a piece of work, eh, a
Speaker 2: piece of shit.
Speaker 1: He's you know what, he's the dirt stuck to the
Speaker 1: piece of shit when you take a shit outside and
Speaker 1: it sticks to the pood, because that's what he's.
Speaker 2: The fact that he just like there's even reports that
Speaker 2: said like he just he needed his wife dead and
Speaker 2: he just wasn't going to think about like the other victims.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, if if you needed your wife dead,
Speaker 2: like fine, I mean, that's still a shitty person, but
Speaker 2: it's like, do you have to kill all these incent people?
Speaker 2: Like that was just fucked up.
Speaker 1: This guy's just oh, like what a fucking guy?
Speaker 2: Like he's cross. He even looks gross in his photos.
Speaker 1: Don't show me a picture.
Speaker 2: Well, I might made up one on Insta. I actually
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm gonna put on Insta for a photo.
Speaker 2: So she shed did attempt to take her own life,
Speaker 2: but later woke up in hospital. Interesting fact here, and
Speaker 2: this is just a side note. I didn't know. I
Speaker 2: had no idea this, and I want people to learn
Speaker 2: do tell. At the time, suicide was considered a criminal
Speaker 2: offense in Canada, and it was until nineteen seventy two. Wow, really,
Speaker 2: I had absolutely no idea.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I know, it's like other than
Speaker 1: like the social and like the faux pas of just
Speaker 1: a personal suicidal thing or whatever. I know that like
Speaker 1: churches really look down on it, and the fact that
Speaker 1: it was governed mostly by you know, the Catholic Church.
Speaker 2: And go back, Yeah, that could be maybe why, and.
Speaker 1: Early civilizations and stuff throughout Canada. Like Canada is only
Speaker 1: one hundred years old, so we're talking like fifty years old,
Speaker 1: so we're only fifty years into Canada basically here. So
Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense really that the church has
Speaker 1: a lot of power. And throwing that.
Speaker 2: Out there so shitty though, because I just feel like they,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Mental health has just gotten a lot
Speaker 2: more less judged, I guess, so back then it might
Speaker 2: have been more judged. So then you're like trying to
Speaker 2: kill yourself and you don't succeed, and then you're also
Speaker 2: in trouble and like, yeah, what I have to go
Speaker 2: to jail and do they want to help you? And
Speaker 2: I'm just like, my little heart, I just like I
Speaker 2: can't handle that.
Speaker 1: That's just asking for someone to hang themselves in bed sheets.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, like it's.
Speaker 1: Wow, instead of you know, oh, you try to end
Speaker 1: your own life, we're gonna make it worse, rather than oh,
Speaker 1: you tried to end your own life, let's try and
Speaker 1: help you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I mean, I don't know what they did,
Speaker 2: but it's just like that's just where my head when
Speaker 2: I was like, this is truty it is. She was
Speaker 2: questioned by investigators while recovering in hospital, and had admitted
Speaker 2: she delivered a package to the airport the day the
Speaker 2: plane exploded, but that she was not aware of its contents.
Speaker 2: Her testimony pointed police towards Albert and her own brother,
Speaker 2: Generu Jenu Generue. I think I'm pronouncing that we're going
Speaker 2: to be wrong every time witho Jen Jean Jen, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Albert was arrested two weeks after the crash
Speaker 2: and put on trial in February of nineteen fifty good.
Speaker 2: He was sentenced to death by hanging and was executed
Speaker 2: on January twelfth, nineteen fifty one, at the age of
Speaker 2: third too.
Speaker 1: Oh so he was executed.
Speaker 2: They executed him.
Speaker 1: I mean, I there's there's a lot to say both
Speaker 1: on every side, because there's a million sides when it
Speaker 1: comes to it of execution. But he ended the life
Speaker 1: for twenty three people.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I wonder.
Speaker 2: When the death penalty stopped encountered. I don't even know,
Speaker 2: not too sure, but I was like boom, like always shit,
Speaker 2: that's freaking terrifying.
Speaker 1: Also a little tidbit of looking forward, my mom gave
Speaker 1: me an idea on a great case and the hanging
Speaker 1: that you just mentioned gave it reminded me of it.
Speaker 2: Oh, your mom gave us an idea. I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually one from our local area too, with
Speaker 1: that involves a lot.
Speaker 2: Of hangings, so really from back in the day.
Speaker 1: I'll just put it that. That's it. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say when it's coming up because I don't know
Speaker 1: why I'm going to do it. No, I already know my.
Speaker 2: Next one, Okay, but do you want to know something?
Speaker 2: What his last words were?
Speaker 1: I'm a douchebag?
Speaker 2: Something in French?
Speaker 1: Is that what he said?
Speaker 2: Something in French?
Speaker 1: He said that was a quote.
Speaker 2: But I haven't for you English.
Speaker 1: His quote exactly was English words something in French. Could
Speaker 1: you imagine that being your last word?
Speaker 2: Okay? Well, honestly, oh shit, did something just happened?
Speaker 1: I think I bumped the court a little bit.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought we weren't recording. Kay, you want to
Speaker 2: know what is his last words? Something in French would
Speaker 2: have been better than this shit? Oh God, at least
Speaker 2: I die famous.
Speaker 1: At least I die famous.
Speaker 2: Are you last words?
Speaker 1: You may die famous, but you die a fucking douchebag?
Speaker 2: Like I was, like, you're an asshole. So genneroue Roost
Speaker 2: and Marguerite Petrie were also later arrested, and they were
Speaker 2: arrested because Albert threw them under.
Speaker 1: The bus, of course he did.
Speaker 2: After his conviction, Albert issued a statement claiming that Gennerou
Speaker 2: and Marguerite had knowingly a bedded his plans. Generou was
Speaker 2: arrested on June sixth, nineteen fifty and Marguerite on June fourteenth,
Speaker 2: though they both maintained they were innocent. Marguerite claimed that
Speaker 2: Albert had told her the package she was transporting contained
Speaker 2: nothing other than a statue, and Generou claimed, I think
Speaker 2: I just pronounced the name really wrong.
Speaker 1: It sounds like Generous. I love it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Je claimed that he thought the bomb
Speaker 2: that he was making was going to be used to
Speaker 2: clear tree stumps from the field, as Albert had initially said.
Speaker 2: Generu was convicted in November of nineteen fifty and sentenced
Speaker 2: to death by hanging, which was carried out on July
Speaker 2: twenty fifth, nineteen fifty two, and at the age of
Speaker 2: that or at that time, he was aged fifty four.
Speaker 1: Fuck.
Speaker 2: Marguerite's trial began on March sixth, nineteen fifty one one,
Speaker 2: and she was also found guilty and also hanged to
Speaker 2: death hang on until January ninth, nineteen fifty three. Interesting
Speaker 2: tidbit is she was the thirteenth and last woman to
Speaker 2: be hanged in Canada.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I guess in that case, thirteen was definitely
Speaker 1: an unlucky.
Speaker 2: Number for the ship number for her only, but maybe.
Speaker 1: Lucky for everyone else because it was a last I guess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But wow, that's crazy. I mean if they if they
Speaker 1: were guilty, then hell yeah, they fucking deserve it.
Speaker 2: But if they're not, I know, like, okay, And this
Speaker 2: is what I'm to say next, is there was an
Speaker 2: uh Dellard doesn't roue I don't know, doesn't dell author
Speaker 2: of causes why they listen to us? I don't know?
Speaker 2: So he was an author. He stuttered nudy the cases
Speaker 2: and concluded that Generu may have known may not have
Speaker 2: known of Albert's intentions when asked him to make the bomb,
Speaker 2: and he also thought that Marguerite may have been innocent
Speaker 2: as well. It was suspected that Albert's motive, basically his
Speaker 2: motive for turning them in, like turning those two in,
Speaker 2: was to buy time to delay his own execution, believing
Speaker 2: that he would be called to testify at their trials.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so he was.
Speaker 2: Throwing them under the bus because he thought it would
Speaker 2: make him live a little bit longer and have to
Speaker 2: go and testify at their trials. He testified at Generu's trial,
Speaker 2: but was hanged before Marguerite's trial. Fuck, and this is
Speaker 2: this is where I'm ending it here, and this is
Speaker 2: shit too. One last thing I wanted to mention is
Speaker 2: that there was a copycat, which I feel makes Albert's
Speaker 2: last words like even more shitty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2: So on November one, nineteen fifty five, six years after
Speaker 2: the bombing, Jake Gilbert Graham, inspired by Albert, bombed United
Speaker 2: Airlines Flight six two nine, killing forty four people aboard,
Speaker 2: including his mother, his motive being that his mother mistreated
Speaker 2: him as a small child. He placed a dynamite time
Speaker 2: bomb in his mom suitcase and purchased life insurance on
Speaker 2: her before the plight's departure.
Speaker 1: Fuck, So, Albert wasn't responsible for twenty nine deaths. He
Speaker 1: was responsible for sorry, twenty three deaths. He was responsible
Speaker 1: for the twenty three plus his two accomplices and the
Speaker 1: forty four in the copycat killing, which is a total
Speaker 1: of sixty.
Speaker 2: Nine gigas and his own.
Speaker 1: Really well, yeah, so seventy deaths.
Speaker 2: And like I didn't even put this in there, Like
Speaker 2: they had a kid, fucking poor. So that little kid,
Speaker 2: I think it was like four or something, A little
Speaker 2: girl like doesn't have parents.
Speaker 3: Well I would rather not have parents and have him,
Speaker 3: I know, I know, hopefully like she went to a
Speaker 3: good family member or something. Wow, But yeah, Albert's a
Speaker 3: piece of fucking trash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I just I can't even believe that something
Speaker 2: like that would happen, Like that's crazy because I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: you want to kill someone, but like to think about
Speaker 2: doing it in a way that kills so many innocent
Speaker 2: people just like makes my head hurt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's the story. I don't even know what
Speaker 2: I'm going to title this podcast because I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to title his name.
Speaker 1: He's a dick, Albert's a piece of shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh when it's episode twenty, which is really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, episode twenty, we're officially new moor O Deuce in
Speaker 1: double digits, let us go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: That was a good episode. Although Albert sucks, we hate him.
Speaker 1: He can he can rot and burn forever.
Speaker 2: I know. He just sounds like an all around shitty person,
Speaker 2: but people like him.
Speaker 1: Yeah Charman, who's not shitty though. Everyone out there who's
Speaker 1: listening to this, we appreciate you guys. Oh my gosh,
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Speaker 2: And just like I don't know, we post selfies and
Speaker 2: stuff on there. So if you want to see what
Speaker 2: we look like, oh god, that's creepy.
Speaker 1: You can see Nicole and her get up kay this
Speaker 1: morning when she didn't.
Speaker 2: We're not doing any selfies today. There's no selfies going out, okay,
Speaker 2: because yeah I have not. I think I put a brawl.
Speaker 1: At least look good, lulupants, sweatshirt up, bun, you're done.
Speaker 2: I look like this most days.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we appreciate you guys. Check out the
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Speaker 2: Thank you, very so amazing. Thank you, and stay wicked,
Speaker 2: Stay wicked.