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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Wicked and Grim, a true.

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<v Speaker 2>Crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Morning my podcast material.

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<v Speaker 2>Audience listeners boom, what's up? Welcome friends.

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<v Speaker 1>If you guys are expecting the second park to show Lake,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say this right out out of

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<v Speaker 1>the gate. If you're expecting the second part to part

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<v Speaker 1>to show Lake, it already happened. We posted it on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were way too nice. I feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>was way too nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not going to make people wait like a week.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just me.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have made them wait at least two days.

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<v Speaker 1>You're cruel.

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<v Speaker 2>You made them wait one day and people thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was rude.

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<v Speaker 1>It was funny. But go check out the second part

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't yet. The analytics show that there's quite

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<v Speaker 1>a few of you out there who haven't checked it

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<v Speaker 1>out yet. Still, so you're sitting there and half a story.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they're gonna have to like re listen to

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<v Speaker 2>number one. Yeah, probably forget everything. I'm just gonna throw

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<v Speaker 2>it out there that I haven't even gotten ready for

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<v Speaker 2>the day. I'm like in my pajamas. Still, it's really awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm jealous. I had to shower after getting home from work,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just sitting there on your PJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, well, I still worked, but I work from home.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't. And that's that's annoying to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually really sweet jealous three and three. But a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times when I don't get ready for the

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<v Speaker 2>day end up having like a zoom call. So it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh man, please don't. When it didn't happens, it is like, yes, nice,

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<v Speaker 2>best decision.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a working from home COVID win right.

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<v Speaker 2>There, pretty much I won today winning.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, do you want to drop some news on us?

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<v Speaker 1>Or should I? Who wants to do it? You or me?

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<v Speaker 2>You? Me?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we have some news.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I'm hitting my microphone.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh your cord, get your cord wrapped?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>Your cord?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, get your cord up there?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry people at this There we go. I'm new here.

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<v Speaker 1>Technical difficulties all right. So we have mentioned a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times that we're doing a giveaway here coming up soon.

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<v Speaker 1>That giveaway is gonna be a little ways out, so

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<v Speaker 1>we decided we're gonna do another giveaway in term mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went ahead and contacted a friend of mine, Dana.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Dana, yep. I was just gonna be like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is Dana.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, Dana from Boneyard Sculptures mm hmm, local artists

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<v Speaker 1>in town. She listens to the podcast. She's a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine. She does amazing work if you're into like

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<v Speaker 1>little oddities or anything like that. She does like sculptures

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<v Speaker 1>with like skulls and bones, skeletons, taxidermized stuff, like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of really cool things. And what I got from

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<v Speaker 1>her is actually a Madagascar sunset moth that's been pinned

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<v Speaker 1>out and framed and it looks killer.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks cool, and I kept calling it a butterfly

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<v Speaker 2>but I which is so wrong. But I think that

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<v Speaker 2>only only just like shows how pretty it is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because when you think of a moth, I don't actually

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<v Speaker 2>think that's like pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, this sucker. It looks like a dope ass butterfly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually like I'm up on Wikipedia with it right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's actually considered one of the most impressive and

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<v Speaker 1>appealing looking lipid dope burdens, which is apparently like a

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<v Speaker 1>class of moths butterflies, moth and butterflies.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, because yeah, when you think of a moth,

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<v Speaker 2>I think of that like nasty beige colored thing that's

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<v Speaker 2>always like in your freaking face.

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<v Speaker 1>No, anyone who plays Animal Crossing, this is that like

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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous ass moth on Animal cross That's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot it was from Animal Crossing.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have a tax a taxi demized sunset matagascar

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<v Speaker 1>moth that's gonna be go out twenty of you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just going to check us out on Instagram for

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<v Speaker 1>all the details and how you can win it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Wicked and Graham. Look us up on Instagram and go

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<v Speaker 1>see if you can get a hold of this sucker.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll mail it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it. Yeah, and because we're doing that this week, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah boom boom boom boom. Yeah. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>assume by the time this episode's out, we'll have the

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<v Speaker 1>deats up on our Instagram deets. You hear that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hip with the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, we'll make sure we'll do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. That means you have to do it tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, witch, you could do it. I have others stuff

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<v Speaker 2>to do tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding, Okay, I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I know nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you even know what it's about? Completely in

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<v Speaker 2>the dark, which I love. I love that. I love

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<v Speaker 2>that I kept you in the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's hear about it. What do we got?

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<v Speaker 2>So this is the story. Sorry, this is the story

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<v Speaker 2>of a man wanting his wife dead and then the

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<v Speaker 2>process of doing that killed twenty two other people.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit?

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<v Speaker 2>Does that peak your interests a little bit? If that

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<v Speaker 2>don't peak your interests? And I don't know what will,

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's definitely interest peaking worthy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty three you said.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty yeah, twenty three people, twenty two other people other

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<v Speaker 2>than his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>He just gave a little bit of a way I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, you made me fuck up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all good, good. I had to say, yeah, twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys. Hey, yeah, boom done? Anyway? Oh grab Okay. So

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<v Speaker 2>his name's Joseph Albert Gway. Okay, And this is actually

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<v Speaker 2>another little thing I have to put out there is

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<v Speaker 2>it's like in Quebec. Okay, So there's like French stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and just like, don't judge me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now I know how I feel when I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing the maple syrup one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, okay, the mount Okay. I have like a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of table lipen on my laptop right now that

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<v Speaker 2>are like how to pronounce this, and that's all I've

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<v Speaker 2>been listening to. But I'm still going to freak it up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in one year, out the other, the moment that

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<v Speaker 1>Mike starts.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just I know, so anyway, just people already know

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<v Speaker 2>we'd have pronouncing stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, deal with it.

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<v Speaker 2>So josephbout Albert Gway, and I'm going to refer to

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<v Speaker 2>him as Albert. He was born on September twenty third,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighteen. He's the youngest of five children, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was a spoilt little brat okay, who always expected to

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<v Speaker 2>get his way. It just like sounds like you.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay, Okay, we're both.

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<v Speaker 2>Thinking, oh, anyway, he love you. And that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>attitude followed him into his adult life. Okay, so real

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<v Speaker 2>winner here, Yeah, no kidding. As a young man, Albert

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<v Speaker 2>worked in the jewelry biz. He sold jewelry and watches

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<v Speaker 2>on commission. He was a natural salesman, very.

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<v Speaker 1>Persistent, persistent, probably got charisma charm too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there you go, we're describing him. When World

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<v Speaker 2>War two broke out in nineteen forty five, Albert worked

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<v Speaker 2>at a Canadian arsenal. I hate saying that word arsenal

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<v Speaker 2>arsenal does it sound I just feel like I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to say like assholes, which is so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not close to being.

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<v Speaker 2>This, it's like arsenal. Like, it just makes me feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm saying a weird word.

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<v Speaker 1>Arsehole maybe is what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe if people don't know what that is, because I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't even certain an.

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<v Speaker 1>Arsehole that's your buttole.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a place where weapons and military equipment are stored

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<v Speaker 2>and made. Did you know that, Ben?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>During this time, he was also met his future wife,

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<v Speaker 2>Rita Morell Rita Morel, Rita.

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<v Speaker 1>Morel like he met her at the Arsenal. The arsehole, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think, I think so, I just had during the same

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<v Speaker 2>time that he was working at the Arsenal arsenal.

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<v Speaker 1>So whether there or somewhere else at that that time, yeah, gotcha, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 2>So after the arsenal closed in nineteen forty five, Albert

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<v Speaker 2>opened a jewelry and watch repair shop, in Quebec City

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<v Speaker 2>and him and Rita had their first child.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh nice.

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<v Speaker 2>This is when shit went south though, And this is

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<v Speaker 2>freaking wild what I'm about to say. Albert, being the

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<v Speaker 2>spoiled brat he was, didn't like being second pill to

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<v Speaker 2>a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 2>He was jealous that the baby was taking up so

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<v Speaker 2>much of Rita's time and attention.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>A freak? So that he's like a spoilt brat, but

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<v Speaker 2>like this is also his kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like what what kind of mentality do you have

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<v Speaker 1>to be jealous of your own child's attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking up up like your wife's attention. Like that's really messed.

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<v Speaker 1>That is self.

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<v Speaker 2>You never heard of anything like that, but yeah, me either.

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<v Speaker 2>So like this guy is wow. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>his business was also beginning to fail and debts were

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<v Speaker 2>piling up, so I don't know, maybe that could have

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<v Speaker 2>had something to do with it. I'm being really kind

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<v Speaker 2>by saying playing Devil's advocate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah gotcha.

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<v Speaker 2>So his eye began to wander for new happiness, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>which is when he laid eyes on nineteen year old

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<v Speaker 2>Marie Ange, a teenage waitress.

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<v Speaker 1>How old is he? He was born eighteen eight here.

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<v Speaker 1>Ok sorry, just wait, I'm sorry, I'm getting ahead of you,

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<v Speaker 1>and was.

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<v Speaker 2>Either nineteen or seventeen. There was like a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>reports with either age, but I just decided to go

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<v Speaker 2>with nineteen because I felt it was less gross because

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<v Speaker 2>Albert would have been around thirty at the time. Yeah. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so nineteen, so young, but it's at least it's legal,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, a little bit just listening to this, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's gross.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna just say she's nineteen. Albert going by

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<v Speaker 2>the name of Roger Angers Angers. Yeah, the two of

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<v Speaker 2>them began having an affair.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so she was into him too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're into each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He even offered her an engagement ring and.

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<v Speaker 1>He's already married. Yeah, that's just all around, just fucking dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm sorry, I don't think. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>he could have just gotten remarried. But this is where

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, I'm gonna just not rant and ravee. Go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Rina did find out about the affair and confronted the pair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unclear if this cause caused Marianne to leave the

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with Albert right away or a short time after,

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<v Speaker 2>but she did end up leaving him, telling him since

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<v Speaker 2>he was married, there was no point in continuing with

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<v Speaker 2>the affair. There was no point, like she left because

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<v Speaker 2>he's married, they're not going to be able to get married,

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<v Speaker 2>Like she's just on the side, Like, what the fuck's

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<v Speaker 1>I got the women mixed up for.

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<v Speaker 2>This piece, which she didn't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be that side piece.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she wanted to be the main piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So this made Albert furious, though.

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<v Speaker 1>Furious So I mean if my side piece ran away,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be pissed off too.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you? Yeah, So the only logical next step would

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<v Speaker 2>be to get rid of the wife, right, Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that makes sense really, Like what the fuck else

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<v Speaker 2>is there to do? Which is just like so bullshit,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's cheating and also annoyed that they have a

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<v Speaker 2>child that she's like raising and he's fucking mad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, literally everything here he is the root cause

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<v Speaker 1>so far, like his business is fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I was actually trying not to be biased in

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<v Speaker 2>any of this, but even just me reading it, he

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a piss of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like I said, his business is failing, his marriage

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<v Speaker 1>is clearly failing. He is jealous of his own offspring

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<v Speaker 1>and his affair didn't work out. That is all to

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<v Speaker 1>do with not necessarily only himself, but at least involving himself.

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<v Speaker 2>So Albert concocted a plan to get Rita out of

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<v Speaker 2>the picture because divorcing her, and this is actually true,

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<v Speaker 2>divorcing her simply was not an option because at the

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<v Speaker 2>time Quebec was strictly Catholic, so divorce was like frowned

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<v Speaker 2>upon and like pretty much almost impossible. Yeah, because I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I read one report where they just said

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<v Speaker 2>simply not an option. I was like, why it's not

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<v Speaker 2>an option? And I had to dig into that because

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what do you mean, good investigation work.

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<v Speaker 1>Good job.

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<v Speaker 2>Albert asked a clockmaker, Genneru Roost, who had a talent

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<v Speaker 2>for mechanical work, to construct a time bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really hoping you were going to say time machine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is that would be sweet? A time

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<v Speaker 2>bomb for him, using dynamite batteries and an alarm clock.

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<v Speaker 2>The dynamite had been purchased at a hardware store by

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<v Speaker 2>Genneru's sister, Marguerite Patrie. I think I'm doing okay. These names.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I hold you up for just one second?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>So he just goes over to this watchmaker is like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can you make me a bomb? And she's like, sure

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<v Speaker 1>that that's that he. I think it was they whoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I'm getting into that he had his reasonings, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it was like I didn't put it

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<v Speaker 2>in here, but I think that he like worked for him,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was it was. There was different reports. I

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<v Speaker 2>did mention to you earlier because it's like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>like a case from way back in the day. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost a game of telephone where I think things change,

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<v Speaker 2>and so many different reports have different not like the

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<v Speaker 2>main story is the same, but little tidbits that are different.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to get those details straight.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just picked the one that's like mostly us

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<v Speaker 2>and the one that makes sense. So yeah, he asked

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<v Speaker 2>him to make this bomb, and the nynamite was purchased

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<v Speaker 2>by his sister, Marguerite Patri Patrue Patri, who was also

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with Albert as she helped arrange liaisons between Albert

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<v Speaker 2>and his mistress. Oh so, the reason Albert gave for

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<v Speaker 2>needing a bomb was to clear stumps from his field.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I mean, still.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a reason for needing a bomb?

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<v Speaker 1>No? But I mean still.

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<v Speaker 2>That was his reasoning.

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<v Speaker 1>At least he has a reason. He didn't just go, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>just make me a bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>The dude's like, Okay, this is what he said to

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<v Speaker 2>the dude.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just slightly shifty. Hey make me a timed bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh for the stumps in my field.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I feel like people would be like huh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean like if he worked for him, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he was just like felt like he needed to. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, at the time, sales of explosion explosives to civilians

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<v Speaker 2>in Canada was recorded, but it wasn't strictly regulated. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like, now we could just go get dynamite,

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<v Speaker 2>could we? I know, Okay, I mean like I've never

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<v Speaker 2>looked into it, but it's like, I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that's something we could just go by.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure if you are able to there's to

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<v Speaker 1>be some seriously strict shit going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably, So this is interesting. He initially considered poisoning

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<v Speaker 2>Rita and had offered a friend five hundred dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>poison her drink, but the friend apparently is not a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of shit and.

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<v Speaker 1>Refused well on that non piece.

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<v Speaker 2>That was his first idea. So then he came up with,

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<v Speaker 2>in his opinion, a better plan that he felt authorities

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<v Speaker 2>would not be able to track back to him. Albert

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<v Speaker 2>traveled frequently by airplane to deliver and receive merchandise, so

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<v Speaker 2>his plan was to convince his wife to take one

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<v Speaker 2>of the trips for him.

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<v Speaker 1>And blow up the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Have this timed bomb present on that same airplane.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you've mentioned this case in the past, telling me

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<v Speaker 1>that you wanted to do this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Because honestly, I've had this on my list forever, yeah, forever,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just never did it for some reason. Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's like screwed up page.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, think like about all the other people

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<v Speaker 2>on that plane, Like what the hell didn't care a

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<v Speaker 2>self absorbed piece of ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's fucking trash trash. Do we have a badass

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<v Speaker 1>of the day in this episode or can I just

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<v Speaker 1>like straight up deal it to the guy who refused

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<v Speaker 1>to poison someone, because I mean, that's not like that's

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<v Speaker 1>a bad that's just a normal thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't really think we do. So, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it's the friend.

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<v Speaker 1>A friend who refused to be a shitty person, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Then did the friend also like, I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he can be a reward of that, because

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<v Speaker 2>like he should have also turned him in. Maybe he tried.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I don't even think. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll find out if there is or is I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there is.

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<v Speaker 2>So the next step was convincing Rita to take one

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<v Speaker 2>of his trips for him. He said it was imperative

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<v Speaker 2>she go to Baekomo Como to retrieve some jewels that

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<v Speaker 2>he bought for the business. She was very unwilling. He

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<v Speaker 2>was asking someone to do him a favor that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>exactly happy with him. It wasn't a happy marriage, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like she just found out that he was

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<v Speaker 2>having an affair or anything like. I'm pretty sure if

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<v Speaker 2>I was in that role, i'd be like, so go

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<v Speaker 2>f yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they're not happy. She just found out the affair, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a favor, fuck yourself, you piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>But remember Albert was very persuasive and used to getting

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<v Speaker 2>his own way right. Yeah, so in the end she

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<v Speaker 2>did agree. Fuck I wish she didn't. The package containing

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<v Speaker 2>the bomb also needed to be delivered to the airport.

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<v Speaker 2>Marguerite was the one in charge of that, and the

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<v Speaker 2>morning of the flight dropped of a very heavy parcel

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<v Speaker 2>with the same destination as the flight Rita would be boarding.

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<v Speaker 2>It was reported she did this in exchange for or

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<v Speaker 2>to cancel a six hundred dollars debt that she had

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<v Speaker 2>with Albert.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if successful, that would have been a sweet deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because like six hundred bucks back then, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of yeah, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen forty five or forty eight somewhere in there, so yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, nineteen forty nine, forty nine, Okay, so oh,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'll kind of reference how much money that is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of in a minute, because and this is apparently

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<v Speaker 2>after dropping readA off at the airport, Albert took out

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<v Speaker 2>an additional insurance policy on read Up in the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of ten thousand, which would be equivalent to over one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how he got caught, isn't it. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to tell me, but that's probably how he got caught.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really, okay, but apparently one article I did read

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<v Speaker 2>said that that was an overly questioning back then because

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't know, I don't know when airplanes were

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<v Speaker 2>invented and stuff, but I think people were still like sketched.

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<v Speaker 1>Out about them and so okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think that would have been like a

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<v Speaker 2>super like red flag.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So it's like plane, I'll want to get extra

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<v Speaker 1>insurance just in case that shit fucking goes down.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he did make sure that he bought a return ticket, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So he wasn't like being a total cheap ass, so

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<v Speaker 2>he covered his bases there because he could have just

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<v Speaker 2>bought in one way and saved himself some money.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but then it definitely does look sketch.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally would totally would. The flight number was one awight,

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<v Speaker 2>operated by Canadian Specific Airlines Pacific Airlines, flying from Montreal

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<v Speaker 2>to Bay Como. See, I'm probably pronouncing the same work

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<v Speaker 2>differently throughout this. I just like there with me with

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<v Speaker 2>the stopover in Quebec City, which is where ritaboarded. Albert

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<v Speaker 2>had done calculations for the bomb to go off. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the plane was flying over the Saint Lawrence River. This

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<v Speaker 2>was his way of making forensic examination of the crash

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much impossible because with the technology that they had,

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<v Speaker 2>like if it was underwater, like they.

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<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, they're screwed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that was that was his whole idea. However, however, however,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a delay at takeoff of of course imagine that. Eh.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they had like the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>lays that we do now back then, but like your

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<v Speaker 2>flight can be freaking delayed as hacking. That's on time,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, like it would at least always be five minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>like like always.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think they'd take into account delays because I

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot of planes I've been on. They arrive

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<v Speaker 1>on time, but they always take off late.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, But I think it also depends how the

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<v Speaker 2>wind is going to Like I think that can help

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<v Speaker 2>you go quicker count it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you've got a back wind, yeah, pushing

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<v Speaker 1>you along.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone who's into aviation, hit us up, let us know

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<v Speaker 1>how this works.

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<v Speaker 2>I also know that like flying just makes me ill

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<v Speaker 2>now as I get older. Yeah, it's not as fun,

432
00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:56.480
<v Speaker 2>like it's like you want to and you want to

433
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<v Speaker 2>go to all these cool places now, but it's just

434
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<v Speaker 2>like it makes me feel It's like I.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Want to go to Japan. But it's going to be

436
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<v Speaker 1>like how many like eighteen hours at least of flying

437
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<v Speaker 1>to get there.

438
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<v Speaker 2>Do I really want to go to pan Yeah? Okay.

439
00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:12.240
<v Speaker 2>So this meant that the bomb would detonate five minutes

440
00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:15.480
<v Speaker 2>earlier in the flight than planned, causing the plane to

441
00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:20.319
<v Speaker 2>crash on land rather than in the river. On September ninth,

442
00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:24.119
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty nine, forty five minutes into flight one, oh wait,

443
00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:31.640
<v Speaker 2>the plane exploded over salt cocone co cone Quebec. It

444
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<v Speaker 2>was salt when I'm just stuttering, Maybe that helps. It

445
00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:39.839
<v Speaker 2>was described by onlookers that it was like the plane

446
00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:43.039
<v Speaker 2>had hit an object. Oh wow, it hit an object

447
00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:47.480
<v Speaker 2>in air. It lost altitude extremely quickly and disappeared behind

448
00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:52.359
<v Speaker 2>steep mountains inane. I know, honestly, like that would be

449
00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:55.039
<v Speaker 2>a sight and a half. Hey, I would be terrified

450
00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:59.799
<v Speaker 2>just to see, Yeah, you'd pissed your pants. Really. Investigators

451
00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:05.319
<v Speaker 2>with Canadian specificsic wanting to say specific, but it's Pacific Airlines,

452
00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:09.599
<v Speaker 2>searching for the wreckage, found the plane at night, guided

453
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<v Speaker 2>by torch lights, which just like such a visual like

454
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<v Speaker 2>going through the night like with these torch lights, like

455
00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:20.319
<v Speaker 2>looking for this, Like that's like creepy vibes, not like

456
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<v Speaker 2>a because.

457
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<v Speaker 1>You held your hand up like it's a wooden torch.

458
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<v Speaker 1>It's most likely going to be like torch lanterns, So

459
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<v Speaker 1>it's mostly going to be like a lantern with like

460
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<v Speaker 1>a candle or something like a flame inside still, and

461
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<v Speaker 1>they'll have mirrors in the back to direct the light forward,

462
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<v Speaker 1>so it's almost like a spotlight, but it's flamelet I.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Still think that's creepy, But yeah, I guess I was

464
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit further back in time.

465
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<v Speaker 1>I and my like, you're like pitchfork in the air

466
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<v Speaker 1>sort of things that you're just gestering.

467
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<v Speaker 2>If only people could see my gesterres are really weird.

468
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<v Speaker 1>Italian hands last time pitchforks and flames and shit. This time.

469
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it was a remote forested location obvious, and that

470
00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:05.519
<v Speaker 2>the scene was described as intolerable with bodies laying around

471
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<v Speaker 2>the ground near the metallic carcass of a plane.

472
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:11.759
<v Speaker 1>That's quite the description at night.

473
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<v Speaker 2>With your torches like brutal. Hey, no one had survived

474
00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:20.000
<v Speaker 2>the bomb, So no one had survived. The bomb did

475
00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:24.119
<v Speaker 2>successfully then kill Albert's wife, but in the process it

476
00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:28.599
<v Speaker 2>also killed every single other person on the plane, all

477
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<v Speaker 2>four crew members and nineteen passengers including oh no, four children.

478
00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's where you're going with that.

479
00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know. The victims were all Canadians except for

480
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<v Speaker 2>three American executives from the ken Caught Utah Copper Company,

481
00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:50.039
<v Speaker 2>so there was even three Americans on there. Just how

482
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:54.359
<v Speaker 2>to throw live in there. And it's interesting the plane

483
00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:59.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't catch fire upon impact, so it was in relatively

484
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<v Speaker 2>and I'm quoting relatively good condition. And this helped with

485
00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:03.920
<v Speaker 2>the investigation.

486
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.359
<v Speaker 1>As far as an impact from a plane could.

487
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<v Speaker 2>Go, because I don't know, I would think like that

488
00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:11.920
<v Speaker 2>it would just blow up almost but no, it didn't

489
00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:16.480
<v Speaker 2>catch fire or nothing locked out because the initial theory,

490
00:24:16.519 --> 00:24:19.640
<v Speaker 2>of course, was mechanical malfunction. I don't think anyone's brain

491
00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:21.839
<v Speaker 2>would just be like, oh my gosh, someone bombed the plane.

492
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's well. I mean nowadays maybe, but yeah, not

493
00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:26.359
<v Speaker 1>back then.

494
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:31.319
<v Speaker 2>But that was thrown out almost instantly, and the investigators

495
00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:36.119
<v Speaker 2>were able to determine exactly where where the bomb had exploded.

496
00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, I'm interested in the evidence in how they

497
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.559
<v Speaker 1>trail it back to him. What's the douchebag's name again?

498
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Albert?

499
00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Albert? Okay, yeah, I.

500
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Was like, I don't know, I was just kidding. I

501
00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>also wanted to note the bombing was not the first

502
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:56.799
<v Speaker 2>instance of sabotaging a passenger's flight for criminal criminal purposes,

503
00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:59.960
<v Speaker 2>but it was the first to be solved and received

504
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:06.599
<v Speaker 2>wide news media coverage locally abroad. Apparently this is interesting.

505
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Several months prior, a civilian plane was the target of

506
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:14.440
<v Speaker 2>an attack in the Philippines, which could have been how

507
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Albert got this idea. That was what one report said.

508
00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:24.960
<v Speaker 1>He was influenced, influenced these influencers on Instagram what they're doing,

509
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.119
<v Speaker 1>and he followed suit. So.

510
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<v Speaker 2>With the baggage compartment on the left side of the

511
00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:33.680
<v Speaker 2>plane torn to pieces and containing items that had been

512
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<v Speaker 2>picked up in their quick stopover in Quebec City, Marguerite

513
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:40.000
<v Speaker 2>was in trouble.

514
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh oh, what happened? What happened? What happened? Tell me,

515
00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>tell me.

516
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.440
<v Speaker 2>The log book indicated that there was a last minute

517
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:51.920
<v Speaker 2>parcel drop off addressed to a non existent person with

518
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.799
<v Speaker 2>a fake address.

519
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:54.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit.

520
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:58.960
<v Speaker 2>An airport employee led police to look for a tall

521
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:03.839
<v Speaker 2>woman in black who had arrived in a taxi, and

522
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the taxi driver would later describe Marguerite as an elegant

523
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.960
<v Speaker 2>woman holding a package on her lap with the word

524
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:16.839
<v Speaker 2>fragile written on it, repeatedly expressing to him drive careful

525
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and not to speed.

526
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:23.640
<v Speaker 1>That's sketch right there, I know, freaking nitroglycerine in there

527
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:24.079
<v Speaker 1>or something.

528
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, like holy shit, I would probably be like

529
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:31.359
<v Speaker 2>peeing myself caring that. Yeah, that statement of hers though,

530
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<v Speaker 2>it's very interesting because according to Marguerite, she believed the

531
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<v Speaker 2>package contained a statue of virgin Mary. So if you

532
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:43.720
<v Speaker 2>just had okay in the box. She always said that

533
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:46.279
<v Speaker 2>she just had a statue, that's what she believed was

534
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:47.000
<v Speaker 2>in that box.

535
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.359
<v Speaker 1>But she she knew it was a bomb though.

536
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, actually it's not for sure really, yeah, I like

537
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:56.559
<v Speaker 2>we'll get to this in like the trials and stuff.

538
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<v Speaker 2>But she always like said she was innocent, that she

539
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.279
<v Speaker 2>believed that it was a statue of virgin Mary in there.

540
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:07.119
<v Speaker 2>But then what the taxi driver said doesn't make any

541
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.279
<v Speaker 2>sense because if she just believed it was a statue,

542
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:11.599
<v Speaker 2>like would she give a shit if he was speeding

543
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:12.599
<v Speaker 2>or like going fast?

544
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that doesn't make any sense considering because she said

545
00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:19.839
<v Speaker 1>that she was a liaison with the whole like woman

546
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:22.559
<v Speaker 1>on the side thing. I lost my terminology for what

547
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:25.359
<v Speaker 1>that is? Fair, fair, thank you liaison for the affair.

548
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:29.079
<v Speaker 1>She's most likely in his good books for having knowledge

549
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.440
<v Speaker 1>of this secretive stuff. So why would she not have

550
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.680
<v Speaker 1>been in on the whole knowledge of the bomb, because

551
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>what was her relationship with the clock maker dude who

552
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:40.559
<v Speaker 1>built the bomb?

553
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.039
<v Speaker 2>That was the sibling. There were the siblings, So.

554
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's I almost guarantee you.

555
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:49.319
<v Speaker 2>But well you'll find out too. The clockmaker says he's

556
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:50.039
<v Speaker 2>innocent too.

557
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:51.640
<v Speaker 1>How the fuck he made it?

558
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you know what, you're jumping the fuck ahead?

559
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:58.759
<v Speaker 1>Well you just told me the clock. You're jumping ahead.

560
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:00.559
<v Speaker 1>You talked about the clock. Make her not me?

561
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, keep going, Okay, I'm going to keep going. I

562
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.880
<v Speaker 2>feel like you actually cannot wait at all to like

563
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.279
<v Speaker 2>find out what the heck happened. You're the most impatient.

564
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I like to dissect shit. Okay, I'm sorry. I like

565
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:17.359
<v Speaker 1>to understand and then and this doesn't make sense right now.

566
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.799
<v Speaker 2>So, realizing that she was the main suspect in like

567
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:28.119
<v Speaker 2>such a horrible crime, Marguerite became suicidal. I'm playing Devil's

568
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:32.519
<v Speaker 2>advocate here because it's not certain if she knew what

569
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.240
<v Speaker 2>was actually in the parcel or not. It was also

570
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 2>in some reports that Elbert apparently showed up at her

571
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 2>house and told her that the parcel she delivered to

572
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.799
<v Speaker 2>the airport contained the bomb and encouraged her to commit

573
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 2>suicide as she would be to blame for the explosion.

574
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>He encouraged her to commit suicide potentially potentially. Fuck, he's

575
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>definitely a shit bag.

576
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I know, like he's a piece of work, eh, a

577
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:00.279
<v Speaker 2>piece of shit.

578
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.759
<v Speaker 1>He's you know what, he's the dirt stuck to the

579
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>piece of shit when you take a shit outside and

580
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:07.279
<v Speaker 1>it sticks to the pood, because that's what he's.

581
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.440
<v Speaker 2>The fact that he just like there's even reports that

582
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.160
<v Speaker 2>said like he just he needed his wife dead and

583
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>he just wasn't going to think about like the other victims.

584
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, if if you needed your wife dead,

585
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.480
<v Speaker 2>like fine, I mean, that's still a shitty person, but

586
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like, do you have to kill all these incent people?

587
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Like that was just fucked up.

588
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.480
<v Speaker 1>This guy's just oh, like what a fucking guy?

589
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:31.319
<v Speaker 2>Like he's cross. He even looks gross in his photos.

590
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Don't show me a picture.

591
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:34.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, I might made up one on Insta. I actually

592
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know what I'm gonna put on Insta for a photo.

593
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:39.359
<v Speaker 2>So she shed did attempt to take her own life,

594
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:44.079
<v Speaker 2>but later woke up in hospital. Interesting fact here, and

595
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>this is just a side note. I didn't know. I

596
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 2>had no idea this, and I want people to learn

597
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>do tell. At the time, suicide was considered a criminal

598
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:57.440
<v Speaker 2>offense in Canada, and it was until nineteen seventy two. Wow, really,

599
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.359
<v Speaker 2>I had absolutely no idea.

600
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like, wow, I know, it's like other than

601
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.599
<v Speaker 1>like the social and like the faux pas of just

602
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:12.359
<v Speaker 1>a personal suicidal thing or whatever. I know that like

603
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:14.759
<v Speaker 1>churches really look down on it, and the fact that

604
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>it was governed mostly by you know, the Catholic Church.

605
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>And go back, Yeah, that could be maybe why, and.

606
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Early civilizations and stuff throughout Canada. Like Canada is only

607
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>one hundred years old, so we're talking like fifty years old,

608
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.720
<v Speaker 1>so we're only fifty years into Canada basically here. So

609
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>it kind of makes sense really that the church has

610
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:33.559
<v Speaker 1>a lot of power. And throwing that.

611
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Out there so shitty though, because I just feel like they,

612
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Mental health has just gotten a lot

613
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>more less judged, I guess, so back then it might

614
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 2>have been more judged. So then you're like trying to

615
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:46.759
<v Speaker 2>kill yourself and you don't succeed, and then you're also

616
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:48.759
<v Speaker 2>in trouble and like, yeah, what I have to go

617
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:50.359
<v Speaker 2>to jail and do they want to help you? And

618
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, my little heart, I just like I

619
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:52.799
<v Speaker 2>can't handle that.

620
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>That's just asking for someone to hang themselves in bed sheets.

621
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, like it's.

622
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Wow, instead of you know, oh, you try to end

623
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.839
<v Speaker 1>your own life, we're gonna make it worse, rather than oh,

624
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:06.319
<v Speaker 1>you tried to end your own life, let's try and

625
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>help you.

626
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. I mean, I don't know what they did,

627
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:10.880
<v Speaker 2>but it's just like that's just where my head when

628
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.720
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is truty it is. She was

629
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:18.319
<v Speaker 2>questioned by investigators while recovering in hospital, and had admitted

630
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>she delivered a package to the airport the day the

631
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:25.279
<v Speaker 2>plane exploded, but that she was not aware of its contents.

632
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Her testimony pointed police towards Albert and her own brother,

633
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Generu Jenu Generue. I think I'm pronouncing that we're going

634
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:40.000
<v Speaker 2>to be wrong every time witho Jen Jean Jen, I

635
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:45.119
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Albert was arrested two weeks after the crash

636
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:50.240
<v Speaker 2>and put on trial in February of nineteen fifty good.

637
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:56.160
<v Speaker 2>He was sentenced to death by hanging and was executed

638
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.599
<v Speaker 2>on January twelfth, nineteen fifty one, at the age of

639
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 2>third too.

640
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh so he was executed.

641
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 2>They executed him.

642
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:07.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I there's there's a lot to say both

643
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<v Speaker 1>on every side, because there's a million sides when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to it of execution. But he ended the life

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty three people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>When the death penalty stopped encountered. I don't even know,

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<v Speaker 2>not too sure, but I was like boom, like always shit,

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<v Speaker 2>that's freaking terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Also a little tidbit of looking forward, my mom gave

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<v Speaker 1>me an idea on a great case and the hanging

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<v Speaker 1>that you just mentioned gave it reminded me of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, your mom gave us an idea. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's actually one from our local area too, with

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<v Speaker 1>that involves a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of hangings, so really from back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just put it that. That's it. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to say when it's coming up because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why I'm going to do it. No, I already know my.

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<v Speaker 2>Next one, Okay, but do you want to know something?

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<v Speaker 2>What his last words were?

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00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm a douchebag?

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<v Speaker 2>Something in French?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what he said?

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<v Speaker 2>Something in French?

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<v Speaker 1>He said that was a quote.

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<v Speaker 2>But I haven't for you English.

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<v Speaker 1>His quote exactly was English words something in French. Could

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine that being your last word?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Well, honestly, oh shit, did something just happened?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I bumped the court a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I thought we weren't recording. Kay, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>know what is his last words? Something in French would

675
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<v Speaker 2>have been better than this shit? Oh God, at least

676
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<v Speaker 2>I die famous.

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<v Speaker 1>At least I die famous.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you last words?

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<v Speaker 1>You may die famous, but you die a fucking douchebag?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was, like, you're an asshole. So genneroue Roost

681
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<v Speaker 2>and Marguerite Petrie were also later arrested, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>arrested because Albert threw them under.

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<v Speaker 1>The bus, of course he did.

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<v Speaker 2>After his conviction, Albert issued a statement claiming that Gennerou

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<v Speaker 2>and Marguerite had knowingly a bedded his plans. Generou was

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<v Speaker 2>arrested on June sixth, nineteen fifty and Marguerite on June fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>though they both maintained they were innocent. Marguerite claimed that

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<v Speaker 2>Albert had told her the package she was transporting contained

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<v Speaker 2>nothing other than a statue, and Generou claimed, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I just pronounced the name really wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like Generous. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Je claimed that he thought the bomb

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<v Speaker 2>that he was making was going to be used to

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<v Speaker 2>clear tree stumps from the field, as Albert had initially said.

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<v Speaker 2>Generu was convicted in November of nineteen fifty and sentenced

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<v Speaker 2>to death by hanging, which was carried out on July

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifth, nineteen fifty two, and at the age of

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<v Speaker 2>that or at that time, he was aged fifty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Marguerite's trial began on March sixth, nineteen fifty one one,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was also found guilty and also hanged to

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<v Speaker 2>death hang on until January ninth, nineteen fifty three. Interesting

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<v Speaker 2>tidbit is she was the thirteenth and last woman to

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<v Speaker 2>be hanged in Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, I guess in that case, thirteen was definitely

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<v Speaker 1>an unlucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Number for the ship number for her only, but maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky for everyone else because it was a last I guess. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But wow, that's crazy. I mean if they if they

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<v Speaker 1>were guilty, then hell yeah, they fucking deserve it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they're not, I know, like, okay, And this

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm to say next, is there was an

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<v Speaker 2>uh Dellard doesn't roue I don't know, doesn't dell author

714
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<v Speaker 2>of causes why they listen to us? I don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>So he was an author. He stuttered nudy the cases

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<v Speaker 2>and concluded that Generu may have known may not have

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<v Speaker 2>known of Albert's intentions when asked him to make the bomb,

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<v Speaker 2>and he also thought that Marguerite may have been innocent

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<v Speaker 2>as well. It was suspected that Albert's motive, basically his

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<v Speaker 2>motive for turning them in, like turning those two in,

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<v Speaker 2>was to buy time to delay his own execution, believing

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<v Speaker 2>that he would be called to testify at their trials.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, so he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Throwing them under the bus because he thought it would

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<v Speaker 2>make him live a little bit longer and have to

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00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:33.239
<v Speaker 2>go and testify at their trials. He testified at Generu's trial,

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<v Speaker 2>but was hanged before Marguerite's trial. Fuck, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is where I'm ending it here, and this is

729
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<v Speaker 2>shit too. One last thing I wanted to mention is

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a copycat, which I feel makes Albert's

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<v Speaker 2>last words like even more shitty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>So on November one, nineteen fifty five, six years after

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<v Speaker 2>the bombing, Jake Gilbert Graham, inspired by Albert, bombed United

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<v Speaker 2>Airlines Flight six two nine, killing forty four people aboard,

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<v Speaker 2>including his mother, his motive being that his mother mistreated

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<v Speaker 2>him as a small child. He placed a dynamite time

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<v Speaker 2>bomb in his mom suitcase and purchased life insurance on

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<v Speaker 2>her before the plight's departure.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck, So, Albert wasn't responsible for twenty nine deaths. He

741
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:38.599
<v Speaker 1>was responsible for sorry, twenty three deaths. He was responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for the twenty three plus his two accomplices and the

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<v Speaker 1>forty four in the copycat killing, which is a total

744
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<v Speaker 1>of sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine gigas and his own.

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<v Speaker 1>Really well, yeah, so seventy deaths.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I didn't even put this in there, Like

748
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>they had a kid, fucking poor. So that little kid,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was like four or something, A little

750
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 2>girl like doesn't have parents.

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00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.920
<v Speaker 3>Well I would rather not have parents and have him,

752
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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know, hopefully like she went to a

753
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 3>good family member or something. Wow, But yeah, Albert's a

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<v Speaker 3>piece of fucking trash.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I just I can't even believe that something

756
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:20.079
<v Speaker 2>like that would happen, Like that's crazy because I mean, okay,

757
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.320
<v Speaker 2>you want to kill someone, but like to think about

758
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.840
<v Speaker 2>doing it in a way that kills so many innocent

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00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:27.000
<v Speaker 2>people just like makes my head hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's the story. I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to title this podcast because I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I want to title his name.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a dick, Albert's a piece of shit. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh when it's episode twenty, which is really cool.

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00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, episode twenty, we're officially new moor O Deuce in

767
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:47.679
<v Speaker 1>double digits, let us go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a good episode. Although Albert sucks, we hate him.

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<v Speaker 1>He can he can rot and burn forever.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. He just sounds like an all around shitty person,

772
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:00.159
<v Speaker 2>but people like him.

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00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah Charman, who's not shitty though. Everyone out there who's

774
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>listening to this, we appreciate you guys. Oh my gosh,

775
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 1>makes you guys go to Instagram so you can win

776
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.039
<v Speaker 1>that freaking sunset Madagascar moth well.

777
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.480
<v Speaker 2>And just like I don't know, we post selfies and

778
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:16.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff on there. So if you want to see what

779
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.599
<v Speaker 2>we look like, oh god, that's creepy.

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00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.320
<v Speaker 1>You can see Nicole and her get up kay this

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<v Speaker 1>morning when she didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not doing any selfies today. There's no selfies going out, okay,

783
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<v Speaker 2>because yeah I have not. I think I put a brawl.

784
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:36.199
<v Speaker 1>At least look good, lulupants, sweatshirt up, bun, you're done.

785
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:37.639
<v Speaker 2>I look like this most days.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, we appreciate you guys. Check out the

787
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Instagram so you have so you can have a chance

788
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.480
<v Speaker 1>to win that. And yeah, we appreciate all the messages

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<v Speaker 1>we've been getting lately. So you guys are amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, very so amazing. Thank you, and stay wicked,

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<v Speaker 2>Stay wicked.