1 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,199 Speaker 1: Hey, good morning sports card fans, and welcome back to 2 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,600 Hobby Hotline on four Collectors. My name is Dan. 3 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: I have a channel. 4 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:32,359 Speaker 1: You probably have heard of it if you're watching four Collectors, 5 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,520 and I am joined by the esteemed Alex Tressler. Alex, 6 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,759 so great to see you again, man, I haven't seen 7 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:41,119 you since the Philly Show when you were back in 8 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,039 the old engine room doing all that media stuff. How 9 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,359 are you, sir this morning. I'm doing great. This is 10 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:48,679 like a weekend off from me. 11 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: I've been on the road, going everywhere and enjoying, enjoying 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,840 my retired life. Right, I'm retired military, but I'm doing 13 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,399 so much other stuff. But no, it's great to be 14 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,840 back on and you know, talk about some subjects that 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,679 are all over the news, you know, in the hobby. 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun because we uh, when we were doing 17 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,879 the you know, the backstage planning for this the last 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,560 couple of days, just like topics were flying all over 19 00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:16,120 the place. Yeah, it's been it's been a little while. Then, 20 00:01:16,239 --> 00:01:18,959 if you can see on the screen there, our rundown 21 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,120 doesn't even include like two other things we're going to 22 00:01:21,159 --> 00:01:23,280 talk about. So since we do have a lot to 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,920 talk about, there are just the two of us, and 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,200 as viewers of this channel might know, I do like 25 00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:34,280 to talk and fortunately Alex so do you, which is great. Hey, perfect, 26 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:37,760 So we uh, we do not have a third today. 27 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:39,560 I should explain that we did have a third, but 28 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,959 that third had some issues to come up in the 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,239 last couple of days. Uh, and so we figured Alex 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:46,719 and I could talk our way through it. Plus we 31 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:49,439 have so many topics and uh and we have always 32 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:51,120 had an active chat. So let me just say good 33 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:54,200 morning to the chat. Good morning, Andrew, how are you, 34 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,159 Craig's Card's Good morning, yank me card? Steve, how are 35 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,079 you from Tucson, Arizona. I hope that's any other two sons? Laura, 36 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,360 how are you? Laura wait in Northeast Ohio? Typical cloud, 37 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:12,439 Northeast oh I was just in Northeast Ohio, Strongsville a 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,240 month ago. Good morning, Peter B. How are you, Sarah 39 00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:18,840 Stuke as always sport the sports card Shop. I'm not 40 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:22,319 sure I know you. Philly Joe, Good morning baseball card curmudgeon. 41 00:02:22,759 --> 00:02:25,840 Of course, Hodge is fifty five. Thank you for the like. 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,680 Doctor Larry Gitlin, how are you, sir? Good to see you. 43 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:33,759 In here, Phil neicro Fan, I Billy, I saw your 44 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,719 video and I got I got a little little mention there, 45 00:02:37,759 --> 00:02:40,439 so thank you for that. This is Ruben Snyder CoV 46 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,360 Confluence sports Cards. Good morning sir. That is v V 47 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:47,759 Cards California. I don't know you, but good morning. Uh 48 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:54,039 Steven's Dom how are you? And Rick osbun okay and 49 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,199 Chrissy how are you? There we go, Benny Cough don't 50 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,599 don't talk down my my my friend Benny Koff. He's 51 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,520 eligible for the Hall of Fame now. So anyway, so Alex, 52 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,000 first topic. This was all over the news, the sports 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,719 card news, because I don't know. It started out as 54 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:15,719 an unlikely story and then it became it just blew 55 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:21,039 up when this guy appeared on CNBC. His name is 56 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,919 Ryan Cohen. I believe he's the CEO of game Stop 57 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:28,360 and the story is about game Stop making a play 58 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,000 to acquire eBay, which the first time I heard it, 59 00:03:31,039 --> 00:03:34,240 I was like, what, eBay's like eight times the size 60 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,199 of you. So let me just play the clip and 61 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,439 then we'll come back and I'd like to hear your 62 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,759 your thoughts on this. Okay, We're going to play a 63 00:03:41,759 --> 00:03:44,000 clip from the famous interview. 64 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,039 Speaker 3: Ryan, you mentioned that, you know, game Stops in a 65 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,000 tough business. I mean, revenues are down like forty percent 66 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:53,800 in the last four years or something like that. eBay 67 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,000 has been a public company for a couple of decades. 68 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,639 Where's the evidence that you kind of know how to 69 00:03:58,680 --> 00:03:59,840 grow a mature consumer? 70 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:00,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. 71 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 4: I mean, didn't you guys call for game stops demise 72 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:09,240 multiple times? Is that what you're saying, Well, look at 73 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,800 our financial performance. Is it better than you guys anticipated, 74 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:15,599 because you guys said it was going to be doing really, 75 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:18,040 really poorly and it's actually doing okay. 76 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:25,439 Speaker 2: Populations are whoop's doing very very but doing okay. 77 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean the joke I put this out there a 78 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,480 bunch of times, I kept saying that he reminded me 79 00:04:33,519 --> 00:04:36,759 of the character named Gavin Belson on Silicon Valley and 80 00:04:37,519 --> 00:04:40,839 just saying ridiculous things and thinking he's sounding really smart 81 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:45,040 and just like this attitude. It's it's almost like, I 82 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,279 don't know how to describe it. But anyway, I've talked enough, Alex, 83 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,439 tell us your thoughts on this. 84 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: Well, first off is just think down the road, like 85 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:56,279 the movie about Game Stop, Like, well, they've gone through 86 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,800 you know through possibly you know, getting rid of everything 87 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,680 because of the whole you know, everyone pumping up their 88 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:04,920 their stock. Remember when that happened, you know a few 89 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,639 years back and everything and uh to now to that 90 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,240 to this, like it's it's been a roller coaster ride 91 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,839 for him again. Everyone jumps to conclusions real quick and 92 00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:17,240 they think that it's going to happen. They're going to 93 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,439 buy it. I mean they just said they're interested in 94 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:21,959 putting themselves out there, so I think it will happened. No, 95 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,120 I think, like again, I honestly believe eBay is just 96 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:28,120 too big. All right, It's just it's just monstrous. But 97 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:30,839 you know, him coming on and act in that way, 98 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,560 just I don't think it helps his case at all. 99 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,560 But if if it were to happen, you know, like 100 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:42,720 that'd be it'd be interesting, Like would we be seeing 101 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,439 how would the dynamic of e baby changing to you know, 102 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,000 doing more stuff inside their shops and everything. It's really 103 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,439 hard to really fathom, like what can come out from Yeah. 104 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I just realized our 105 00:05:56,319 --> 00:06:01,079 uh those that rundown is from last week. I see that, 106 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,839 all right, Well let's take that off. I thought I 107 00:06:07,879 --> 00:06:11,199 thought uh, I thought our buddy John had given me 108 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,879 a given me a whole running start here. M hm yeah, 109 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,000 good good, good comparison to Silicon Valley. Great show. Of course, 110 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,319 Silicon Valley was I think it was on for like 111 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,959 four or five seasons, and it was, you know, pure satire, 112 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:26,480 but the satire hit pretty well most of the time. 113 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,279 And you know, this Gavin Belson guy was based on 114 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:32,240 I guess the one of the CEOs. I can't remember 115 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,600 which one, but it was like right on, so anyway 116 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:38,199 that beings may you know, the first time I heard it, 117 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:39,959 I was like, yeah, how are you gonna how are 118 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:41,839 you gonna acquire a company? And then he started talking 119 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,480 about how he was going to try to get like, 120 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:46,160 you know, financing together, and it just didn't seem at 121 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:49,160 all realistic. And then somebody said something about how he 122 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:53,480 gets some sort of big bonus if if game Stop 123 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,759 gets like a bump in their stock or something, and 124 00:06:55,879 --> 00:06:59,040 this kind of play would bump up both stocks or 125 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:01,120 you know. It was it seemed to be some sort 126 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,199 of manipulative thing. And then he ends he has enough 127 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,800 juice to get on a CNBC, so, you know whatever. 128 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,759 As soon as I saw that interview. I'm like, this, 129 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:14,920 this is not a serious thing. People should not take it. Yeah, 130 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:18,240 it would be like it would be like TAG trying 131 00:07:18,279 --> 00:07:20,759 to buy collectors, which brings us to our next topic, 132 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,959 which is Tag in twenty twenty one fashion putting a 133 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,439 pause on submissions. I was hoping that we would have 134 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,879 a guest on the show that could speak about this 135 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,040 from an inside position, But I don't have much to 136 00:07:37,079 --> 00:07:39,800 say on this except that I'm not sure you know 137 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,680 how you can function as a company if you're putting 138 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,240 pauses a submission in a situation like this. I mean, 139 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:49,000 I could understand during COVID when multiple companies. This doesn't 140 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,439 really make much sense to me. Do you have any 141 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:51,279 thoughts on this, Alex? 142 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,199 Speaker 2: My thought is like, as a company, you would think 143 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,959 that's grading and stuff would have so many parameters in place, 144 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,879 Like what if we do get a surge? What if 145 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,920 you know, everyone stops grading with everyone else? How are 146 00:08:02,959 --> 00:08:03,720 we going to handle this? 147 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: Like? 148 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: How is that not already in place? Was it already 149 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,519 in place that we're gonna stop everything so we can 150 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,000 catch up? Tag. I've always I honestly have has always 151 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,839 have always liked their custom and I like the slabs, 152 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,319 I do, you know, but but I always said from 153 00:08:21,319 --> 00:08:24,519 the longest part that their customness was made at the 154 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,439 national their custom aspect. 155 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: I love. 156 00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:29,639 Speaker 2: I love how they can make custom cards. I this 157 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,639 was at the West Coast Card Show. They do it 158 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,720 specifically for you know, different card shows and stuff. I 159 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:38,879 feel like they should just stick with that, honestly, Like 160 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,679 I I got at the West Coast Card Show, I 161 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,720 got undone with my my mom's dog. Gave it to 162 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:47,200 her as a gift because they put it in a package. 163 00:08:47,399 --> 00:08:49,000 They put in the package for you to open up 164 00:08:49,399 --> 00:08:51,879 right and for her birthday, so it was pretty cool, 165 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,559 but it did. I'm wondering if you know, the people 166 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,879 not wanting to grade with p s A, you know, 167 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:01,759 SGC being all of a sudden, you know, their time 168 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:05,840 frames are growing and everything else is I'm wondering if 169 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:08,440 now people are just trying to find these other avenues. 170 00:09:08,519 --> 00:09:11,480 I know, like some of the other companies that are 171 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,039 grading more TCG and stuff, like they're getting the influx 172 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:19,320 of this stuff because PSA prices so keeping the I'm 173 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,000 and of course they're they're if you're gonna pay the money, 174 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,519 they'll tell take it all day, right, they're gonna take 175 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,240 take the big you know, big stuff in, but all 176 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:32,279 the small stuff that's actually pushing it, pushing the timeline 177 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:34,799 back is what's really holding it up. And now they're stopping. 178 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I mean I feel like that's that's 179 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,360 the bread and butter, is the is the lower and stuff. 180 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,399 I am. I'm an SGC guy, and my most recent 181 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:48,799 submission came in in March after three month wait, was 182 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:52,159 something you know, never heard of before with SGC and 183 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,080 my current submission, it's out there. It's been you know, 184 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,919 received like two weeks ago. So I'm just sitting and waiting, 185 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:01,159 probably saying three months from now, I'll get it, you know, 186 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:03,759 the end of July or whatever. But you know, the 187 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:09,320 reality of grading is that the landscape is not optimal 188 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,639 for collectors. Companies are struggling to keep up with the 189 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,960 numbers and a lot of this, you know, TCG is 190 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,240 really where it's all at. So a lot of these 191 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:20,600 companies are you know, being pushed by that. 192 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: I just realized that, you know, going through this, I 193 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,440 put in an order at the Philly Show in December, 194 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,639 a fifty card order with PSA, and it is now 195 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,559 finally an assembly again this was a bulk order, right, 196 00:10:34,639 --> 00:10:35,960 and you know, I knew it was going to take 197 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,840 some time. It was on track for completion and May 198 00:10:38,879 --> 00:10:42,120 twenty first when I turned it in in December. Yeah, 199 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,200 luckily I don't need it back fast and everything. But 200 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,320 it just turned from grading to assembly, so hey, get 201 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,600 that bay and they get that bill sometimes soon it 202 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:52,480 was fifty cards. 203 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Stuke's point here is that, you know, everything 204 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:58,279 in perspective, three months with with SGC is certainly better 205 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:59,960 than six months with PSA. 206 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: And then look look at that right after it, VV 207 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,480 said eight and thirty one percent increase in Yeah, well 208 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,360 the company has seen something like that, just thinking a 209 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:14,440 whole you know, landscape of everything different, you know, ventures 210 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,960 and stuff like that. Have ever seen that time that's 211 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,000 like a uh, these food influencers going and going to 212 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,639 a restaurant that has no one in there, they haven't 213 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,639 had anyone in a in months, and all of a 214 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,600 sudden they'd be like, this place is incredible, and next 215 00:11:27,639 --> 00:11:29,720 thing you know, they're they're you know, have a line 216 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:32,639 out the door for freaking you know, weeks months and 217 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,480 everything just like, oh my god, what do we do now? 218 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,360 We don't even have the staff to cover this. 219 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:40,919 Speaker 1: So well, you know, it's interesting because TAG doesn't do 220 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,840 any anything but earlier than like nineteen eighty nine or something, 221 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:49,559 and so they don't do any any sports or anything 222 00:11:49,879 --> 00:11:53,399 in in you know what could be called vintage vintage, 223 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,080 but uh, I guess it's all modern and TCG. And 224 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,679 I mean I'd like to see the numbers. To eight 225 00:11:59,759 --> 00:12:03,039 hund thirty one percent seems a little seems a little off. 226 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:03,559 I don't know. 227 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,159 Speaker 2: Well, you only have one person submitting one card. If 228 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,840 you down then get eight hundred and thirty one. I 229 00:12:08,879 --> 00:12:12,960 meant that's a big increase. But Chris, you do have 230 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,600 a point, you know, still keep my card, draw, keep 231 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:17,480 him how you want, like Michael, a good bit of 232 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:18,000 my collection. 233 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:23,159 Speaker 1: Draw. I bought this card at the Stanford show about 234 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:26,399 what last weekend or two weeks ago, and it's a 235 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:30,080 beautiful card from the nineteen forties and normally a year 236 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:31,679 or two ago I would have I would have sent 237 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,440 this off to SGC. And now I'm just putting in 238 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,720 a mag a penny sleever one touch what they used 239 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:40,519 to find that you find so it looks beautiful, I 240 00:12:40,519 --> 00:12:42,000 don't I don't need it to be greater. I know 241 00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:44,120 what it is. I don't really need it to be great. 242 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,519 I'm not selling it, so you know there's something to 243 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:49,039 be said for that. Thank you, Chris. So our next 244 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,519 topic took took off a little bit. Let me just 245 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,840 show the the instagram that kind of started, at least 246 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,799 for me, what it's all about. And I should say 247 00:12:59,799 --> 00:13:03,519 from the very beginning that this is not a Jeff 248 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,080 Wilson story. It's not an indictment of Jeff Wilson at all, 249 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,360 because he went to a card show. And the story 250 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:11,879 is he went to a card show and he does, 251 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,360 you know, he films a lot of his deals, and 252 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:17,559 he made a deal with a guy who works for 253 00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:20,879 a card shop in Jacksonville, Florida. And the guy is 254 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,200 a registered sex office and you know, he's just for 255 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,639 people who don't know if you're a registered sex offender. 256 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:30,120 That information is available publicly, easily with a couple of 257 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:34,720 clicks on the Internet. So what happens is this cardboard life, 258 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,639 which is you know, can be somewhat controversial at times 259 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:39,759 and a little flippant at times, but you know does 260 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,639 have positions in the hobby and takes the position and 261 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,000 this is a reasonable position, that's somebody like Jeff Wilson 262 00:13:47,039 --> 00:13:50,960 who has the opportunity to make a statement here, and 263 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,240 the statement is, you know, the card shows have to 264 00:13:55,279 --> 00:13:58,919 be better at policing. Who gets a table at a 265 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,000 card show part, particularly a card show like this the 266 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,679 one he was at where there was a lot of 267 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:08,399 Pokemon and a lot of children. And anytime you are 268 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,519 responsible for the security of children, you have to be 269 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,600 certain that you're putting them in a safe space. And 270 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,960 so to have a registered sex offender at a table 271 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:23,279 dealing with children and or you know, adults, even adults 272 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:28,039 in a situation like this is just unacceptable. And I 273 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:30,240 believe it was a front row card show. I'm not 274 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,039 sure about that. Front row card show is something we're 275 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,399 going to talk about later on when we talk about franchising. 276 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,360 But my position is that you can do this if 277 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:44,080 you run a card show, you can ask for you 278 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,000 can vet the people who you're renting tables to very easily. 279 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:51,200 There's a card show that it's up in Mount Kisco, 280 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:52,960 New York. I signed up for it. I've done I 281 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,759 think three or four shows there setting up a table 282 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,679 small show. But to get a table there I had 283 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,879 to fill out an application, I had to give a 284 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:04,320 photo of my driver's license, and I am one hundred 285 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,440 percent uh in favor of that being every card show 286 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,200 should do something like that to be able to ensure 287 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,320 that when you have children walking into a public space 288 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:16,799 like that, that these that they that they're protected against 289 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:19,919 the potential for bad things to happen to them. And 290 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,840 if you were renting a table to a registered sex offender, 291 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,679 you are not serving the community any in any way, 292 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,000 shape or form. So you know, there's there's a lot 293 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,960 of discussions on the perimeter of this issue, but that's 294 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:37,480 the gist of it from my vantage point. And I 295 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:40,240 would like to know your your approach to this. I know, 296 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,720 Alex you work card shows all over the country, so 297 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,720 I think you have a bit of an inside knowledge 298 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,080 as to, uh, you know, how the vetting takes back. 299 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so everyone has to realize, like the post that 300 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:55,039 this Cardboard Life put out there, like originally more it 301 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,879 was it was satire against them that turned into something 302 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,759 really honestly, you know, up the light and I'm just 303 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:03,159 going to turn into good. Right. You know that that 304 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,879 picture that he made, you know, saying that he you know, 305 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,360 the unexpectedly made a deal with the sex matter. That's fake, 306 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:13,799 like he created that. That's not what the video was 307 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,360 on Jeff Wilson's page. It was part of the deals 308 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:18,960 that he did at It was at the front Road 309 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,799 Card show I believe in Atlanta and uh and it 310 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:26,159 just spread. It spread to you know, my good friend 311 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,080 Ryan Knowles from Like Fatherlike Son, Cards and Breaks. They 312 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:34,039 he made a video on it, to to to cards. 313 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,559 They made a video and it's just spreading, you know, 314 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:40,120 the words getting out there, and I think more promoters 315 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,559 are starting to pick up agree with with everything, like 316 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:48,200 the vetting aspect. If there's the availability to do it 317 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:50,399 and it needs to happen, I mean, it could happen 318 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,919 at the smallest show only has twenty tables, Like it 319 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,360 only takes a few Like you're saying the application with 320 00:16:55,799 --> 00:16:58,559 the driver's license stuff, and the individuals that are probably 321 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,399 going to kick back from it, understand they probably might 322 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,880 have a pass. Now. I My aspect was it is 323 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,759 it's like when you're saying background check, just make sure 324 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:11,079 everyone was staying, like you're trying to do the safety 325 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,839 of your patrons that are coming into the show and 326 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,319 the other individuals that are actually at the show. Because 327 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,960 I know there's a lot of vendors that come with 328 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,640 their family. They're setting up and their kids are running 329 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,480 around while they're vending, you know, so you can't say 330 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,839 that it's under the same aspect. So just making sure 331 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,079 you know upfront, Hey, this is what we're we're doing 332 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:29,599 a background check for. We're gonna make sure you're not 333 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,519 on the list everything else and stuff like that. If 334 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:33,480 you're gonna look for other stuff, then look for other stuff. 335 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,480 But this is like the safety of kids at the 336 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:41,759 actual card shows. So I know it's gonna it's hard. 337 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:44,680 It's hard because the flip side is it's like, what 338 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,279 about everyone that's walking through the honest you can never 339 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:50,759 give anyone the benefit the doubt. I'm the person I'm 340 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,839 always been a type of person. Like listen some of 341 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,519 these card shows, Like one of the card shows I'm 342 00:17:56,519 --> 00:17:59,559 gonna be at in June in North Carolina, the state 343 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,359 says as mandates that you cannot if you're a registered 344 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,160 sex offender, you cannot be in public places where there's children, 345 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,920 like that is a state law. So you would think 346 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,480 if someone does not want to get arrested or you know, 347 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:15,279 go against this stuff, they're staying away because they've they 348 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:18,960 they understood that. But in the mindset of you know, 349 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,640 some of these you know, sick individuals, they're not going 350 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,680 to care. They're going to find a way around it stuff. 351 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,920 And I know someone said earlier in the chat, they're like, well, 352 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,839 using fake names and everything else, and it's a different 353 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:33,119 person coming. And again that's the due diligence of the 354 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:36,240 of the promoter. If you sign up with your ID 355 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,359 card and this is the person coming, they better be 356 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,720 the person walking up and picking up the badges and 357 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:42,960 everything else, and like that. 358 00:18:43,519 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: Well, the show that I referenced is also one of 359 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:50,440 those shows that says, no, no substitutions, you cannot bring in, 360 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,160 you cannot put your name and everything on the application. 361 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,200 And then you know, Joe Schmos shows up at the 362 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,480 table and I think that's application. Were things about that 363 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:03,200 application with the with the driver's license, and I found 364 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,759 this out last night discussing this with somebody. Some states 365 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,079 have the registered sex offender has it on their license, 366 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,359 so that makes it easy. That makes it really really easy. 367 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:16,000 The other thing is there's a certain deterrent effect to it. 368 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,119 If you are somebody who knows you have a background 369 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,160 maybe not even regis sex offend, but you have a 370 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,799 background that you don't want people to look into. If 371 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:28,119 there's an application process with a driver's license, suddenly you're like, oh, wait, 372 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,200 maybe I shouldn't do that. The other thing is this, 373 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,279 It is really really easy to do a background check 374 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,039 with the registered sex offender because it's on the internet. 375 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:41,240 You can go, you can google in whatever state you're in. 376 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:44,160 I googled the other day New York State registered sex Offender. 377 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,920 First thing that comes up, you click on it, it's 378 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,160 the website for it. And the first thing that it 379 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,240 is in there is a name search, and you say, well, 380 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,720 what if he's named Joe Smith. But this also the 381 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:56,079 date of birth, So if you're getting a driver's license, 382 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,599 you can distinguish this Joe Smith who was born in 383 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,559 you know, nineteen seventy five or whatever. And so you're 384 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,359 you're able to do that search. And if you've got 385 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,319 a show with like fifty vendors, let's say you're right 386 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,839 out a list fifty people and you put it in, 387 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,279 it takes you maybe in an hour, and that hour 388 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,079 could save something terrible from happening. And to me, that's 389 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,680 the kind of vetting that you have to do in 390 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,119 this scenario, I should say that if you have a 391 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,599 show and you have a registered sex offender at a 392 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,839 table and something happens, you are on the hook liability wise. 393 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,200 And I could say that because I'm an attorney, I 394 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,680 know this. If you do not do your diligence and 395 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,200 you do not VET and something terrible happened, you're on 396 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:39,240 the hook for that. And so, you know, I think 397 00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:43,279 it's a you have to do that for the safety 398 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:45,400 of the kids, for the safety of the show, and 399 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:47,920 you know, for your own liability. You know, I was 400 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,519 a little League coach for ten years. My sons are 401 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:54,279 grown up now, but when they were you know, eight, nine, ten, 402 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,799 all the way up to like fourteen, I was a 403 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:00,400 coach and every year the little League had had an 404 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,119 application process, and the application was a full you know, 405 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,759 you had to not only fill out an application, but 406 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:10,559 you had to have references, driver's license, all that stuff. 407 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:12,880 And if the little League can do it as well, 408 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,359 they should because they know the situation that if the 409 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,720 Little League can do it and they're dealing with kids, 410 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:21,160 then card shows should do it because they're also dealing 411 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,920 with kids, and it's it's the least you can do. 412 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,839 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think, I think, I think you know, 413 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:30,039 promoters can do some other stuff too, honestly, you know, 414 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:35,240 to help preempt it by all these promoters make flyers, right, 415 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,880 make flyers for the shows and everything else, you know. 416 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,039 I use I'll use the analogy of like breaks home security. 417 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:43,279 What do we do We put the little signs or 418 00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:46,359 stickers on your on your house and saying, hey, this 419 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,880 this area is secured by you know this home security. 420 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:50,079 Speaker 1: Right. 421 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: Wellah, what you know some of these, some of these promoters, 422 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,519 and I believe it's probably gonna get there, you know, 423 00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:59,599 if they are, you know, doing these checks and stuff. 424 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:01,759 Haven't I little stamp up in the corner of your 425 00:22:01,759 --> 00:22:06,160 of your of your promo, of your actual flyers saying hey, 426 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,720 this show is a family friendly safe by checking our 427 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:12,839 vendors or something else like that, right, you know, that 428 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,160 little stamp of approval type of things saying that hey 429 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,119 we are you know like this. And I've always gotten 430 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,039 with a lot of promoters and being fully transparent shows, 431 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,119 I've gotten shows to start putting there. You know, say 432 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,279 they say three hundred tables, but I'm like, okay, get 433 00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:30,720 a breakdown of how many TCG and how many sports 434 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:33,240 are there right because you have so many people driving 435 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:35,000 hours to come and all of a sudden it's eighty 436 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:38,279 five percent TGG and there's a sports persons waste your time. 437 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,119 So putting that transparency on your flyers and the stuff 438 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,759 that's out on social media that's out there today, I 439 00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:46,799 think would be help. It's it's it's part. It's it's 440 00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:50,240 helping with that or setting up in these areas that 441 00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:54,440 the states, the laws of the maybe the arenas or 442 00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:57,440 the wherever they're at have you know, hey, no registered 443 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,240 tex Sex mentors can come in here and everything us 444 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:02,359 like that. So you know that, I know it's never 445 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,279 gonna deter, it's never gonna fix the whole thing. But 446 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,440 it's the start that that that counts. That you know, 447 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:11,640 the we're getting the word out there, people are actually discussing, 448 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,559 and that's the start of something great. And love the 449 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:17,000 fact that all the individuals out there from this cardboard 450 00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:18,920 life to like probably like some to to to do 451 00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:22,119 cards to Jeff Wilson coming back on and talking about 452 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,160 it himself right and everything. You know, it's great that 453 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,960 you know, those those bigger avenues are saying stuff and 454 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:28,559 I love seeing. 455 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and you know Dan the Cardban also did 456 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,000 a video on it, and yes, Shot Stukes has a 457 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,279 point here which I think is kind of like the 458 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:40,960 old school if if you know something, say something is 459 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:42,880 kind of one of those things. And you know, when 460 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,720 we do the trade nights, you know, Four Countries has 461 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,240 done trade nights at twice at Strongsville and once at 462 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,640 the National of Vintage Trade Night. We we reserve the 463 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,759 tables and we know everybody who has the tables, like 464 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,559 we literally know them personally. So you know, in that sense, 465 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,319 if you're at a smaller card show, you know that 466 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,480 you know you know certain certain extent like the people 467 00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:08,240 you're dealing with. And you know, when I set up 468 00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:11,119 in shows, I set up on Staten Island, uh recently lately. 469 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,880 And the guy who runs a show, Mattie Steven is 470 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,200 a former police officer, so he's got access the security 471 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,240 that he brings in, and you know, you have to 472 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,480 have security at these shows. All the security that he 473 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:25,680 brings in are his you know, former cop friends or 474 00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:27,880 or current cop friends, and they come in and they 475 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,319 know and it's a community based show, so they know 476 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,559 who who the people are that are coming in a 477 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:34,519 lot of kids at this show, and I think that 478 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,319 you know, somebody like that is you know, taking the 479 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,599 safe route and making it a situation where the kids 480 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:42,279 can come in there and the and the families can 481 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:44,720 come in there and feel safe. So you know, that's important. 482 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,000 It's not just necessarily what you're finding in some you know, 483 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,440 background search, it's also information that you're getting from the community. 484 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,079 Speaker 2: And I know we're going to get to the point of, 485 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,400 you know, we're going to talk about you know, his franchising, 486 00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:59,839 you know, shows and stuff. It's hard in this topic, 487 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,839 harder for them because they're not local. A lot of 488 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,319 these shows are going around the country hitting up you know, 489 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,960 these big cities and stuff, and they don't personally know 490 00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,799 a lot of these vendors that are that are showing up, 491 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,440 so it's it's harder on that. But the community aspect, 492 00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:18,839 which you know, going to a local card show and 493 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,279 everything else, it's always been the community and enjoying your time, 494 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,920 you know, at these small shows, and it's just the 495 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,599 regional shows and then the ones like the national and 496 00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:32,559 everything else are just a different element. But every day 497 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,200 type of show is probably one hundred tables or less 498 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,519 type of show that's out there and there's hundreds thousands 499 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:41,759 that are happening every weekend. 500 00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:43,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you got it. I mean you got to 501 00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:46,680 know who you're dealing with. And to a certain extent, 502 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,880 a lot of these guys, like like you said, the 503 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,200 community based guys do those Those the people I like 504 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,240 to deal with, the ones that know what they're doing, 505 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:55,279 because if they know what they're doing when it comes 506 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:57,400 to things like safety, they know what they're doing when 507 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,480 it comes to all the other things like promoting the 508 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,279 show and making sure that the information gets out there 509 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,720 and you know, doing all the little behind the scenes 510 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:07,160 things that you know that if you're a dealer there 511 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,119 you want the guy to have done. 512 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 2: But so in the end, you know, I want to 513 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,079 wrap up my stuff. Is like, I think it's great 514 00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:16,519 that the words out there, people are talking about it. 515 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:19,279 It's just like, let's we still haven't heard from many 516 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:22,000 of like the big promoters from the big, big, big shows, 517 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:24,839 right and everything. Let's hear something from a you know 518 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,000 show coming out, you know, saying hey, we want. 519 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:28,759 Speaker 1: To do this, you know, ye front Row you know, 520 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,920 if this happened in a front Row card show, then 521 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:33,480 front Row has to say something and you know he's 522 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:36,440 out there. He's a forward facing guy who does a 523 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,160 lot of social media. I've seen him at least twice 524 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:42,519 on Jeremy Lee's show, and you know, maybe somebody needs 525 00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:44,640 to give him a nudge and say, hey, make a 526 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,279 statement here. Maybe he's lawyers of telling him don't make 527 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:47,759 a statement. 528 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:50,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll reach out. I'll reach out to Ray Schulte 529 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,279 since he's in partnered with with front Row Now and 530 00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:56,359 everything and he's always in the forefront with with on 531 00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:58,799 media and stuff like that, and see see what he 532 00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,759 has to say about it. 533 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: Well, this would a good transition into our next topic, 534 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,720 which is the growth of these card show franchises. And 535 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:10,880 I could say from my recent experience, I went up 536 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,519 to Connecticut two weeks ago, was it last week and 537 00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,400 two weeks I don't know time in my head. It's 538 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,039 something called the Northeast Card Expo Northeast Sports Card Expo, 539 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,000 and they had a show in Stanford, Connecticut, which is 540 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:23,799 only like an hour from me, but most of their 541 00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:26,680 shows are in massachutt They have a show in Portland, 542 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,119 Maine coming up. They have Quincy, Massachusetts, Marlborough, Massachusetts. They're 543 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,640 coming back to Stanford so they're doing franchising that sort 544 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:40,119 of northeast New England kind of region, and I thought 545 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:43,519 it was extraordinarily well run. The guys knew what they 546 00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:48,680 were doing. The one issue was WiFi, but that's something else. 547 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,759 But you know, the tables were run, it was well communicated, 548 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:55,599 it was well promoted, it was laid out well. I mean, 549 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,400 I think there is an advantage to having a franchise 550 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,200 who who knows what they're doing, doing multiple shows in 551 00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:04,960 multiple towns. And the other one is the Dallas Card 552 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,960 Show I guess about a month ago. Yeah, it was 553 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,359 a month ago. In fact, it was a month ago. 554 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,720 This weekend the Dallas Card Show New Jersey took place. 555 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:16,319 And I admit that coming up, you know, leading up 556 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,480 to that event, I was cynical. I was like, what 557 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,920 Dallas Card Show for New Jersey. They're at a place 558 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,759 the Expo, the I don't know, the Central Jersey Expo whatever, 559 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:27,119 and forget what town was in, you know, I put 560 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,480 it in the GPS and forget where I am. And 561 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,400 it was good. It was again a well run show, 562 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,079 very crowded, very organized. Nothing but good things to say 563 00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:39,960 about both of those shows. And I found it kind 564 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,799 of interesting that my last two shows after Strongsville, which 565 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:47,119 is also a franchise show where franchise shows, and that 566 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,920 seems to me to be something that we're going to 567 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,279 be doing more often, franchise show Strongsville being that the 568 00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:56,319 Toronto Expo guys, the guys that now do the Expo 569 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:02,400 in Toronto, Montreal, Winnipeg, Minton, they run Strongsville and they 570 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,279 actually have a new show coming up which is in 571 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:09,400 what you call it Nova Scotia. They're doing a expo 572 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:13,359 out in far eastern Canada out in Nova Scotia, which 573 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,480 is just announced for July. So, you know, I feel 574 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:20,519 like card show franchises at this point kind of a 575 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:23,079 good thing, except if you're a mom and pop and 576 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,480 maybe not so what you're again, you're in this business, 577 00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:30,160 so tell us your your your thoughts on this. 578 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: So when I first saw Dallas card Show branching out, 579 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,559 so I believe they did one in Cincinnati last year. 580 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,720 They've done some others that have been not Dallas, and 581 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:43,519 they've named Dallas card Show wherever they're at, you know, 582 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,079 so they did Jersey the first time. They're hitting these 583 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,880 markets where I mean, they have all these individuals coming 584 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,279 in they have the data, they have all this information, 585 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:55,319 all these individuals coming into the show. First off, every 586 00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:58,000 other month. I've always said the Dallas Card Show is 587 00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:01,559 oversaturated because it's every other month. Now it's every month 588 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,200 because in between every other month in Dallas, they're all 589 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,640 over there around the country. So literally, this this business 590 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,079 that that that they have, if they're they're focusing in on, 591 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,279 is they're going to be doing it pretty much year round, 592 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:16,559 close to because you know there's those months that they're not. 593 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,359 But uh, it's it's building the brand. They've done the 594 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,200 years of building Dallas Card Show, you know, down there, 595 00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,880 and now they're they're taking it on the road. And 596 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,839 of course, you know, brand name goes a long way 597 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,880 with any of this stuff. And so as soon as 598 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,160 they see Jersey Dallas Card Show, you get some of 599 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,599 the same vendors that's set up in Dallas. It's like, oh, 600 00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,039 we're bringing the same thing here. My problem with it now, 601 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,640 it could be, it's gonna be, it could be the 602 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,799 best show and everything else. My problem is is you're 603 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,079 not gonna have the same stuff in Dallas that you're 604 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:50,000 going to have in Jersey or Cincinnati or wherever they're 605 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,279 setting it. Up because these shows, these are considered regional shows. 606 00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:56,400 I've always told everyone this, this is supposed to be 607 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,960 for that region. It's realistically not supposed to be for 608 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,319 people to fly into. It's not for just people if 609 00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:03,640 you're a few hours away. It's supposed to drive. There's 610 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,079 only pretty much like one show that you should fly into, 611 00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:08,680 and that's the National Right and and and everything else. 612 00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:12,119 It's supposed to be for that region. Like so coming up, 613 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,519 coming up in July is a prime example. So the 614 00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,240 Dallas Card Show, I believe it's this weekend or next week. 615 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:21,039 This week, next weekend is next weekend in Dallas. Two 616 00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:24,119 months from now, it's in July. The same weekend is 617 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,759 the West Coast Card Show in Fanatics FIST all three 618 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:29,559 of them the same weekend. And you're not you're not 619 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,200 messing with the people walking through the door, because again 620 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,440 it's the region. What you're messing with now is the vendors. 621 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,880 The same vendors that usually set up at Dallas set 622 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,720 up in West Coast are probably gonna go to Fanatics 623 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,279 FST because of the FOMO. So I understand on a 624 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:49,160 business aspect of these promoters doing this because like it's 625 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,759 turning into their business. A lot of these promoters don't 626 00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:54,519 do this full time like the smaller community ones. Right, 627 00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:56,920 they're they're you know, they have other jobs and they're 628 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,240 doing it. These guys have probably started there and now 629 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,839 they're advanced to the Okay, I don't have another job. 630 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,039 This is what I'm doing full time now, So why 631 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,519 not do it around the country with our brand name 632 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,559 every month? 633 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,599 Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean if they take into account that, you know, 634 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,759 the regional aspect of it, and they invite regional you know, 635 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,000 people who are in the region or in the area 636 00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,559 to set up at the shows, that's a positive thing 637 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:24,240 to me. And I went, like I said, I went 638 00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:27,160 to Stanford and went to the Central Jersey Edison that's 639 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,480 where it was Edison. And at both of those shows, 640 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:33,319 I saw people who were who I knew to be 641 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,079 local dealers who had decided to get involved in this, 642 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,160 and they had good things to say. So again, I 643 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,400 don't I don't see how. I don't see the negativity 644 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,160 except for if they start pushing out you know, smaller, 645 00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:50,319 but you're setting up at very big locations. These are big, 646 00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:53,000 big shows. These are four hundred and fifty five hundred 647 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,119 or more table shows, which you just don't have, like 648 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,519 Mom and Pop don't have that kind of jewice to 649 00:32:58,559 --> 00:32:59,519 set something up like that. 650 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: You get the turf wars, right, you get the people saying, hey, 651 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,000 you know, having the show here and stuff. And I've 652 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,440 honestly my type of aspect is if I'm at a 653 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,759 card show, and especially the smaller ones that are community based, like, 654 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:14,640 I'm probably not gonna be there all day. So if 655 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,559 there's another show within driving distance in that same day, 656 00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:21,559 guess what I'm all. I'm all for it. The collector walk. 657 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,960 Wanting to walk a couple of shit. 658 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,119 Speaker 1: There is a point that Suke makes here about the 659 00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:30,279 autograph local autograph providers, which which do you know. I've 660 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:33,400 experienced that too. But one thing I should say, and 661 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,000 this this wasn't negative that I that I had forgotten about. 662 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,880 I went to the Guard that the Garfield Show is Garfield, 663 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,680 New Jersey is a show that is primarily vintage and 664 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,119 it's I think every other Sunday in like a community center, 665 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,440 one hundred and fifty two hundred tables. It's been there, 666 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,720 the same dealers, same you know, same people running the show. 667 00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:58,640 It's one of those sort of old school shows. That's 668 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,559 been around for decades, and I've been to Garfield twice. 669 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:04,200 The first time I was there was I don't know, 670 00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:06,519 January or something, and it was packed and it was 671 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,440 good and I got some stuff, and you know, it's 672 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,559 a good experience. I went back again the day after 673 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,480 I had gone to the Central Jersey show in Edison, 674 00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:16,840 the Dallas Card Show in New Jersey and Edison and 675 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,760 Garfield was empty, empty of dealers and people. It was 676 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,280 like maybe ten empty tables and there was hardly anybody there. 677 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,239 And the dealers were like, yeah, we're here, as we 678 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,599 are every every time the show is on on Sunday, 679 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,639 but we know where the other people are, and they 680 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,719 were at this giant show in Edison, which I should 681 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,519 say was packed. And also it's hard to park, and 682 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,280 you know, everybody who is into sports cards in that 683 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,400 area of the country was there instead of at the Garfield, 684 00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:48,119 So that I mean, it's not necessarily taking over the show, 685 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,400 but also but taking the people, I think, which could 686 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,119 be a negative, negative situation. 687 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because you know, it's because these big, these 688 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,880 big franchises coming in, they're not looking at the local community. 689 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,920 They might look at like the bigger bigger shows, but 690 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:05,199 these ones that are been a staple like in that area, right, 691 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,320 that's every Sunday and everything else, Like they're not caring 692 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,800 about that. That's not the community. That's where like you're 693 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,280 saying the negative aspect of not caring about the community, 694 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:16,719 and it's not knowing the community around there. I mean, 695 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,039 I I've been up to Jersey a few times and 696 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:21,639 and it was just like, hey, let's look real quick, 697 00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:26,079 there's a show every weekend somewhere within driving distance in 698 00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:29,000 that And I believe that's why they did. They did 699 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,159 their due diligence, and that's why they're not They're not 700 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,280 going to you know, middle of nowhere, you know, Iowa 701 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,880 or something else like that or whatever. So I say 702 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,880 that when literally, what one of the one of the 703 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,559 bigger shows in the countries in the middle of nowhere 704 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,360 in amish Land And uh, what's that one that b 705 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:53,239 Sports does with car Collector too, Juana? That one one 706 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,239 in the middle of nowhere you got to drive to 707 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,760 get to it. There's like one Applebee's right outside that 708 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:04,320 place in hours of right afterwards. So but it's it's 709 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,079 I hope they don't push it too much. Like I've 710 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,960 always said the Dallas Card Show is every other month. 711 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,800 Understand you're going people don't You're not trying to fly 712 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,239 into there. It's because look at the population around Dallas. 713 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,079 There's millions of people in that city, and that show 714 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,320 can thrive every other month because you have that many 715 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:22,920 people there. 716 00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: So and you know, well, you know we we both 717 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,199 are Philly Show attendees. I've been to I don't know 718 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,840 everyone except for maybe one or two since two twenty twenty, 719 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,360 so you know, I've been to a lot of them 720 00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:37,559 three times a year, which I think is the perfect 721 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:39,320 amount of time, three times a year. And I'm really 722 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,000 looking forward to September. I should say, Alex, you should 723 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,360 come to the YouTube get together. We do it. We're 724 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,519 now doing it every Saturday of the Philly Show at 725 00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:52,400 the Hilton Gardenian and the last three I've been to 726 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,639 last three and they've all been really solid. So I'll 727 00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:57,559 send you so yes, send. 728 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,519 Speaker 2: Me the invite because remember I got it. I'm just 729 00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:01,400 since I do the media for the Philly Show. I'm 730 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,679 there in the trade night in the beginning, right right 731 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,679 after the show, so I might make a fastively late 732 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,320 appearance right and everything. So I'm gladly, gladly. I love 733 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,840 the meetups. I love the community has always been the 734 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,800 forefront of everything right and stuff like that. So no, 735 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,920 I mean when I'm at the I'm at the National, 736 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,840 I'm getting pulled every which way. Hey, come to this, 737 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,519 come to this meetup, come to this, and everything else. 738 00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:27,159 I'm like, I need the movie Multiplicity and just clone 739 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,119 me eight different ways so then I can, you know, 740 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:33,079 be everywhere at once. But I love it. 741 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:33,639 Speaker 1: I love it. 742 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 2: That's an old school reference there. 743 00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: It's uh, yeah, it's been fun. It's I should give 744 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,000 a shout out to Ray from Philly and Cardboard Coach 745 00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:45,880 Neil who have put these together and CIA Auctions share 746 00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:48,400 Me and his team have done the sponsorship of it 747 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,599 and given us some really good food and pizza and wings, 748 00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,559 and you know, it's been. It's been. It started out 749 00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:56,440 with like nine or eleven people and then it got 750 00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:58,519 up to like the last one was over fifty people. 751 00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 2: So that's awesome. That's people. But like you're saying with 752 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,119 the Philly Show, how it's the Philly Shows three times 753 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,719 a year and it's spaced out pretty well, and it's 754 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,119 because they do kind of they don't partner, but they 755 00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,440 are with CSA. How they broke it up saying, hey, 756 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,599 we're not going to step on your toes. Step in mind, 757 00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:18,920 because it's the signings, the autograf guests that are at 758 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,840 these shows and everything else like that. So I mean 759 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,480 it's pretty If you look at the landscape for the 760 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,320 Philly Show though, it's like they have there's a gap 761 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,400 in between, like the last one and then the very 762 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,840 next one. It's like it's it's always a good gaps, 763 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,800 which helps, I think in the long run. 764 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: So oh absolutely, I'm just worried about how many people 765 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,199 are going to be there in September. 766 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 2: I mean it's it's always you have, you have the 767 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,920 National happening, and then people take a break and then 768 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,679 they're back at it. So it's that just a long 769 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,400 enough break in August, then you have Labor Day and 770 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,360 then boom the Philly Show. So that's true. 771 00:38:56,639 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: Sorry, So I guess the last topic we talked about. 772 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,800 I think we got through everything we got to except 773 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,440 for we were going to talk about fanatics uhle license, 774 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,639 which I should I should say when we brought this up, 775 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:19,960 I'm like, I don't really know anything about it. I 776 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,440 don't really know about this and then and then I 777 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,599 got a mailing I'm sure you know Sus. Sus who 778 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,880 used to work for Tops and now works for a 779 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,440 CGC I believe it, has a really excellent mailing list 780 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,400 called card Chat. She does card Chat on her Twitter account, 781 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,760 but she also has I guess, not a mailing list, 782 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,039 a newsletter. So I was lucky. SUS's newsletter came out 783 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:49,159 this week and it described exactly why this is really 784 00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:52,559 an important story. So I'm like, oh, thank you. I 785 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:54,519 didn't have to do any more research on it. So 786 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,400 has partnered with Panini for I I guess so long 787 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,159 fifty years or something. Yeah, Panini started doing soccer based 788 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,760 stickers in like nineteen seventy, and anybody who is in 789 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:17,320 the football or soccer culture has collected Panini stickers or 790 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,039 Panini cards going all the way back to like, you know, 791 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,079 people who I nineteen seventy. That was when I was 792 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:27,960 a very least but like so there are generations, particularly 793 00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:32,280 in Europe, of people who associate FIFA cards or FIFA 794 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,280 collectible with Panini, and so this is like their bread 795 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,800 and butter. And you know, they got the basketball license 796 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,599 and they lost that and they had the I guess 797 00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:42,400 they had football for a while. They lost that and 798 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,800 Panini has has you know, some tangential licenses these days, 799 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,320 but this is their bread and butter, and to lose 800 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,599 this license means I think that Panini is pretty much 801 00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:56,039 going to be Yeah, I get that, right, I. 802 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 2: Believe I believe you did. You know, everyone forgets that, 803 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,920 you know, Panini official right not the US is from Italy, 804 00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:04,960 so that's why, you know, bringing in the aspect of 805 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,159 the soccer world for a long period of time, you know, 806 00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:11,440 deprived from that. I can't believe they really didn't get racing, 807 00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:13,519 you know, a long time ago f one. You know 808 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:17,199 how big it is over in Europe. But uh, some 809 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,119 of the biggest I mean, I believe soccer cards from 810 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,400 you know, old school are the stickers, like the slab ones, 811 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,679 the rookies of certain you know, famous soccer players and 812 00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:30,360 stuff like that are are from them. So make start 813 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,559 making I think I think that you know, the topic 814 00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:37,159 that everyone really is focusing on on this is you know, 815 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:42,360 the monopoly, right the how how is fanatics top being 816 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,559 able to control the rights of everything? And are there 817 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:48,000 any I mean, being a lawyer, are there any laws 818 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:51,440 out there that you know, justify this not being able 819 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,920 to happen and having you know, multiple licenses with multiple 820 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,719 companies and stuff. He's that people focus on that and 821 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,679 then the good side of it, everyone's just like, Oh, 822 00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:05,480 we're gonna see World Cup debut patches down the road, 823 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,360 and everyone's just like, Oh, they're gonna be They're gonna 824 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,239 be worn during this World Cup. I'm like, people, make 825 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,559 sure you read that their fine print. They don't take 826 00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:16,920 it over until thirty twenty thirty one. There'll be another 827 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,239 World Cup before they take it over, So we'll have 828 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,400 two World Cups with those patches. We're turning into upper 829 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,480 deck with their with their hockey stuff and having like 830 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:30,440 multiple years in one product for rookies. So again, what 831 00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:33,800 that's five years from now? There's so much can happen 832 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:34,559 in five years. 833 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, think about five years ago. Five years ago in 834 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:38,159 the hobby is. 835 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, like what happens if you know something you know, 836 00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:46,199 knock on wood really happens and then fanatics is gone 837 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:49,559 like that, that doesn't the deals no longer there, right, 838 00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:53,920 you know, So innovations there with tops and the one 839 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,920 thing I love about Tops having like all the license 840 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,400 the fact that hopefully they all sink synchronized being a 841 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,960 modern type of person and everything is just like if 842 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,760 you have TOPS crime in one product, it needs to 843 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,880 look the same and all the same number, the same 844 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,000 everything one. It should be easier on them because they 845 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,320 only have to make one like design. But when I 846 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,440 was at the TOPS industry conference, you know, a month ago, 847 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,159 they were talking about some of these products are going 848 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,679 to be across all the different sports and everything else. 849 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,280 So it's very interesting that right before the World Cup 850 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,519 that this gets announced for something that happens five years. 851 00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't. I'm not an anti trust lawyer, 852 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,599 although I took anti trust in law school and did 853 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,360 very well on it, but that was a long long 854 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,360 time ago. That being said, I can't imagine that that 855 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,400 fanatics is really like going to continue to get away 856 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,679 with it. And at some point, you know, somebody in government, 857 00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,480 probably not in the next two and a half years, 858 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,679 but somebody in like a real government will say this 859 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,480 is the story, this cannot happen. This is pretty much 860 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,639 a monopulate monopoly and a illegal restraint on trade, and 861 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,000 it will be one of those things where at some 862 00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,519 point they may get broken up. And what that happened 863 00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:11,000 in the next five years. Hey, you never know. I mean, 864 00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:12,360 stranger things have happened. 865 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 2: You know. 866 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,639 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, there was one type of 867 00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:18,639 phone and there was one phone company, and then you know, 868 00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,920 as a teenager, they broke it all up into all 869 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,280 different kinds of phone companies and now you have Now 870 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,519 you have competition. That's why it's supposed to be do 871 00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:29,039 you do Sprint, do you do Verizon? Do you do 872 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,840 whatever company? It's cricket and all this other stuff like, 873 00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:37,519 that's competition. That's good for the consumer. Yeah, hobby that 874 00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:41,199 everybody has to buy products from the same company, I 875 00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:43,320 don't think. So it's like, you know, it's like the 876 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,199 same thing with grating. 877 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,119 Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like Fanatics and Tops they're 878 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,800 big enough companies where they had to have done the 879 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,559 lawyer aspect of making sure this isn't going against it. 880 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,519 I would imagine right now, that's kind of what I'd 881 00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:01,159 be like, Hey, by the way, we're going to take 882 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,800 over this, are we still good on the legal aspect? 883 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,519 Legal team over there, we good, Just you know, quote everything, 884 00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:08,920 I'm gonna make sure we're good, you know, on this aspect. 885 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know, I don't know, Alex, it's 886 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,760 more like how much of this can we get away with? 887 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,599 And how how how how far are we going to 888 00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:19,719 push the envelope on this? 889 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,199 Speaker 2: But you know, going to the whole concept. You know, 890 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,679 people are all talking to w n B A and 891 00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:27,760 the chat and everything. What is Panini's booth gonna look 892 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,840 like this year at the National right? Like who are 893 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,159 they going to have there? Now understand they are pushing 894 00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:36,639 out unlicensed basketball products there would be pushing out they 895 00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:41,079 still push out unlicensed other stuff. But uh, I mean, 896 00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,599 all these laws are happening. I mean there's a I mean, 897 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,840 what is that the nfl PA is doing as a 898 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,760 law lawsuit against leap now for using for using. We 899 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,599 didn't even you know, have that as one of our 900 00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:54,239 topics because it came up late in the in the week. 901 00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:56,599 But uh, you know, all this stuff, I mean, for 902 00:45:56,639 --> 00:46:00,800 the longest time, I've always talked about and the fact 903 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,000 of I mean, no one else can get these people. 904 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,440 But Leaf is just loading up all their products with 905 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,320 with all these players and everything else with with with 906 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,599 ease and like how are they able to do this? 907 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,280 Which I mean again a lot of people I'm a 908 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,519 collector and I'm going to collect what I like, I 909 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,320 do like a lot of leaf stuff. 910 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:17,559 Speaker 1: You know. 911 00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:20,679 Speaker 2: I actually hope I have a Charlie Sheen wild thing 912 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,760 auto up here. You know, I have an Alan Richardson 913 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,920 from Blue Mountain State, you know auto like different nis 914 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,159 stuff or whatever. And I think there's an avenue for 915 00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:32,320 all of it. But I would I would hope the 916 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,360 Fanatics legal team has already kind of looked ahead and said, Okay, 917 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,280 we're gonna be fine. 918 00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:39,559 Speaker 1: Uh, we're going to disagree on this. 919 00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:42,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're you're more that realm, you know 920 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,760 that stuff more than I do, and everything. That's just 921 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,360 me being a person I am. 922 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's it's at some point and and 923 00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:53,239 thank you Orlando for I think that's kind of the 924 00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:55,599 point here, is that you know, they're going to take 925 00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:57,320 it as far as they can take it, and maybe 926 00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,559 is Fanatics going to try to acquire Upper Deck? Is 927 00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:02,719 that something that could happen? You know, I mean, is 928 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,679 that the next is that the next domino that's gonna fall? 929 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,079 And if that happens, you know, suddenly you're you're talking 930 00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,519 about you know, that's that's they They own the entire 931 00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:14,679 industry at that point, and then that really. 932 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,360 Speaker 2: Well, I I mean I've always said that that collectors 933 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,440 Fanatics should, I honestly believe, should scoop it all up, 934 00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:25,840 scoop everything up and just have a you know, overhead 935 00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:30,239 parroting company and then have subsidiaries of here's Panini's, here's 936 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,199 upper Deck, here's this, here's Tops or whatever, and they're 937 00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:35,960 making their own stuff underneath the blanket of one, so 938 00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,639 you still have the other stuff there. So we get 939 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,360 all the licenses across all this, all the different products, 940 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,800 everything right, And and then it's like, are people upset 941 00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,320 that you're going to be losing this from Panini? Or 942 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,159 they upset that, you know, Fanatics and Tops is the 943 00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:56,119 only one that's gonna be making it. There's so many 944 00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:59,079 different angles that people get upset about one. We know 945 00:47:59,159 --> 00:47:59,960 we'll never make everyone. 946 00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 1: Well I hope so, but uh everybody. 947 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:04,039 Speaker 2: You know. 948 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,199 Speaker 1: The cynical side is that everybody has a price tag. 949 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,199 Every company has a price tag. Yeah, and yeah, they 950 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,800 would be a boutique company. 951 00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 2: I mean able as you know. The very next one 952 00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,159 is one of recent true and I'm pretty sure it's 953 00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:23,119 eventually going to get that way. Fanatics has already started 954 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,960 having signed jerseys and pucks and underwrap stuff, that mystery stuff. 955 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,599 So I imagine it's going to eventually get that route. 956 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,840 But if I'm not mistaken, I believe there was a 957 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,239 number that was a long time ago on the table 958 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,239 for fanatics to buy Panini or at least the rights 959 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,360 in the US for the products and stuff. 960 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,039 Speaker 1: And oh yeah, yeah yeah, I remember that a few 961 00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:46,239 weeks a few years ago. 962 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 2: And that number was just not big enough, which kudos 963 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,519 to Panini for not doing that. 964 00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:55,320 Speaker 1: Well, maybe they can get Ryan Cohen from Game Stop 965 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,079 to come in and negotiate the deal. 966 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,800 Speaker 2: Like we got it. We got a guy for you 967 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,840 right here. Come on, let's let's see what we can 968 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,599 do here. Because in the in the end, you know, 969 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,159 I think I think TOPS is just like, hey, we 970 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,559 want the name National Treasures, we want the name you 971 00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:17,679 know this, we want you know, I mean, we found 972 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,440 they found that the one thing that no one knew 973 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,880 about is that hoops actually follows the product. Hoops follows 974 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,000 the NBA license, not the brand. So that's why Tops 975 00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:32,480 is able to make Tops hoops is because it follows 976 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,840 whoever has the license. When that information came out, that 977 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,800 surprised everyone. I didn't know it. That was pretty cool. 978 00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:39,800 Cool to know. 979 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,880 Speaker 1: Is that so so unbelievably, Alex, we have covered all 980 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,079 of those all those topics that were listed, We covered 981 00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:50,280 him in under fifty four minutes. 982 00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:52,519 Speaker 2: Well yeah, that oh good. 983 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,440 Speaker 1: I think that if the chat over there has anything 984 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,480 to say, uh, any question to ask, if you have 985 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,840 any issues you want to talk about, we got we 986 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,400 got another six minutes. 987 00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:07,800 Speaker 2: What do you got coming up in chat? What do 988 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,960 you got coming up? What do you got coming up? 989 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,760 Speaker 1: Over the next few months, I am working a card 990 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:18,039 show in New Jersey next Sunday. It's called Exit one 991 00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:21,440 seventeen card show. I've never done it before. I'm sort 992 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,920 of branching out after that. I'm not sure when. Well, 993 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,000 I'm going away. My family and I are taking a vacation, 994 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,719 and then my wife and I are married thirty five 995 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,519 years on June second, so we're going to where we 996 00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,400 did our honeymoon thirty five years ago. And that's kind 997 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,639 of exciting. But then I am not attending the National 998 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,840 Oh yeah, but I will be going to obviously, I'm 999 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,880 gonna go to the Philly show. I'm stay over and 1000 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,159 do the whole, the whole what weekend? Uh, and then 1001 00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:56,079 planning to go to Shriners in November in the Boston area. 1002 00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,159 And I'm also open to the possibility of going to 1003 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,920 the Toronto Expo in November, which I'm looking into. So 1004 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:05,760 we'll see what happened. 1005 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,280 Speaker 2: I am supposed to be I'm supposed to be going 1006 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,360 to that message. 1007 00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:11,360 Speaker 1: Awesome for a first time I've heard that there is 1008 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,800 vintage there. I'm pretty much solely vintage guy. But you know, 1009 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,400 it's going to be social event for me also, uh, 1010 00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:22,000 my Canadian friends and some of my US friends who 1011 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,320 are going to be up there. So uh, that's like 1012 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,880 my rest of the year pretty much. How about yourself? 1013 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:27,719 Where are you going next? 1014 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,599 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm I'm about to go on a crazy run. 1015 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,199 It's just I'm so excited for us. So, uh, next 1016 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,920 weekend' being Baltimore, there's a Baltimore card show. You know 1017 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,760 that Bailey, who does a showdown in Nova near the 1018 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,320 DC area, has got to show up there at u 1019 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,960 NBC one at their call to see him a three 1020 00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:49,480 hundred table show. It's a it's a bigger show. Alfred Morris, 1021 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,400 the running back, is actually coming and signing and he 1022 00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,599 loves being around the fans. He loves he loves cards 1023 00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,599 and stuff, so it's pretty cool. After that, it's more 1024 00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:02,840 all day, I get away, I go home for family 1025 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,199 time for the weekend, for Memorial Day, I don't do 1026 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,960 anything enjoying that and then go right I'm June. I'm 1027 00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:12,360 just all over. Starting with North Carolina the Collector's Jam 1028 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,000 with sports Wax Promotions, James incredible. I argue that he 1029 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,199 is one of the best. I've been so many different shows, 1030 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,440 one of the best promoters in the country by market 1031 00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:26,480 sports Wax Promotions in Concord, North Carolina their Collectors Jam. 1032 00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:30,760 It is a six hundred plus table show he actually 1033 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,599 has He doesn't usually have athletes come, but he has 1034 00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:39,199 Allen iverson coming doing a signing and uh and then uh, 1035 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,840 Mike Wilder from Wilderside of Sports is actually bringing some natives, 1036 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,599 some a couple Uh Carolina Panthers are now coming. They 1037 00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:49,840 just announced it today and I think Duke's new quarterback 1038 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,360 is coming and doing a signing, so you know they're 1039 00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:54,800 hitting that at you know that the approach of you know, 1040 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,880 the people around that area, which is pretty nice. But 1041 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,679 James as a promoter is just he's just next level. 1042 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,519 I love love him. And I'll always support him. After that, 1043 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,599 it is the Nashville Show before then, you know they 1044 00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:13,760 do I'm going to go to that. I'm in the 1045 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,800 works to possibly do something during the World Cup up 1046 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,920 in the Jersey area when it's there, and uh fourth 1047 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,400 of July of course getting away for forth July, I 1048 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,079 don't do anything. And then right after that is the 1049 00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:29,199 All Star Game, so I might be on behalf of 1050 00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:31,320 the National maybe going for the All Star Game and 1051 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,920 doing some stuff before Fanatics Fest and then the National 1052 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:38,719 like back to back to back. It's just everywhere, and 1053 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,559 then you're doing. 1054 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,599 Speaker 1: Fanatics Fest that weekend when they have three major shows 1055 00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:45,000 in this country they do. 1056 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 2: You know, they have Dallas and they have the West 1057 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,480 Coast Card Show. And again it's it's not the foot 1058 00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:51,960 traffic it's gonna be that's really affecting one. It's the 1059 00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:56,000 vendors wanting to be in all these events. I I 1060 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,440 been to both Fanatics Fest before. I'm a sports nut, 1061 00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:01,840 you know, I know it's more than just a card show. 1062 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,440 It's everything else. Right, Well, I do get a little 1063 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,079 bit extra access being you know, I do content creation, 1064 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,320 so I'll be able to do some fun stuff there. 1065 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,320 I competed in the Fantas Games last year, came in 1066 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,800 forty third out of one hundred fans and the athletes. 1067 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,079 So I'm still very proud of that. So so, you know, 1068 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,599 then goes into from that is the very next weekend 1069 00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:26,679 after the National, I'm in Myrtle Beach, Like I don't 1070 00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:29,960 take a break Myrtle Beach. Then we have it's a 1071 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,960 slow month until Labor Day and then. 1072 00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:36,239 Speaker 1: We're going to Myrtle Beach the weekend before the National. 1073 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,719 So we'll clean out the you know, the the house 1074 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,519 that we're in that you're probably gonna be all sustained. Yeah, 1075 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,119 so so, but we rent a whole house for the family, 1076 00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:48,320 So I'm not sure talking. 1077 00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:52,840 Speaker 2: About the talking about the expo, Johnny from Mint Inc. 1078 00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:56,239 We talked. We've we've known each other for a long time. 1079 00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:59,360 He actually wants me to come up ahead of the 1080 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,920 Expo and we might do a tour of Canada of 1081 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,559 all his shops across Canada leading up. 1082 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,320 Speaker 1: So that's content, that's content gold. 1083 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,159 Speaker 2: That I'm like, I would love. I'm like, John, you 1084 00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,039 take me along on the ride, let's do it, like 1085 00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:17,800 because he loves going out to the other side of Canada. 1086 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,320 And seeing everything and work our way back across because 1087 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,280 mintink Is you know, that is the premiere you know, 1088 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,360 hobby shop in Canada. 1089 00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:29,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, well I'm I'm I'm setting up at shows 1090 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,480 these days. I'm working, like I said, show in Jersey 1091 00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:35,360 next weekend, I'm gonna do uh when I get back. 1092 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,039 I'm doing the Brooklyn show on June sixth, uh, and 1093 00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:40,079 then I'm probably gonna be doing the Staten Island show 1094 00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:42,519 in July. And so I'm doing like like maybe once 1095 00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:46,480 a month, setting up at shows, mostly vintage baseball, A 1096 00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:49,760 lot of set builder stuff, a lot of boxes filled 1097 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,719 with stuff. I'm organizing all the time. So it's an 1098 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,280 hour uh before. 1099 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,679 Speaker 2: It's right here, so I can't actually picks up technically 1100 00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:04,280 a vantage card at the last show that. 1101 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:10,039 Speaker 1: This oh geez wow wow is the so damn it 1102 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,199 is the nineteen for those only listening in nineteen sixty three, 1103 00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:18,719 Mickey Mantle in a BBG seven. Uh. And I only 1104 00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,159 see green on the bottom there. I don't see any white. 1105 00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:24,760 Speaker 2: Which is yeah, it has a little bit there at 1106 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,639 the bottom. The centering is pretty decent, you know. It 1107 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,440 is a little bit on the right side, a little heavy, 1108 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,320 but the back of the card also just looks. 1109 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the back of the card is freaking centered 1110 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,320 crazy too nice. 1111 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:40,000 Speaker 2: So it was one of the one of the recent pickup. 1112 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,320 I meant to have it over here knowing you you're 1113 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,400 a hosting I really forgot. 1114 00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,880 Speaker 1: So well that's a good way to good way to 1115 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,000 wrap it up. As always. Wonderful to see you, Alex. 1116 00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:55,000 Like I said, I'll probably see you face to face 1117 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,559 in Philly again in September. Looking forward to that and 1118 00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:02,000 I'll get you and uh and send you a message 1119 00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:04,119 about the get together if you can make it. But 1120 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,480 it's been a nice talking about a lot of a 1121 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,920 lot of subjects, a lot going on the hobby right now, 1122 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,320 some of them, you know, a lot of industry stuff, 1123 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,639 some collector stuff, but obviously some important stuff too when 1124 00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:19,679 it comes to show safety, particularly when it comes to kids. 1125 00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,559 And I think that your your message is right. However 1126 00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:24,800 it started to get out. Now that it's out, it's 1127 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,440 something that people have to be paying more so check 1128 00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:32,000 Thanks again, guys, Thank you, Orlando, Thank you card curmudgeon. 1129 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,639 Oh yeah, yeah, there you go. You gotta congress and 1130 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,920 sweet and an awesome card. Awesome, So we're gonna wrap 1131 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,119 it up, Alex, take care, chat take care. See you guys. 1132 00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:46,639 Hobby Hotline every Saturday at eleven am. I'm not sure 1133 00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:48,719 when I'm hosting again in June at some point, but 1134 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:50,880 we'll see you guys, see you soon. 1135 00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to this episode of Hobby Hotline. 1136 00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:03,639 Just want to remind everyone we are a live show 1137 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,079 every Saturday morning, eleven am eastern eight am Pacific on 1138 00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:12,480 the four Collectors channel on YouTube. 1139 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,119 Speaker 3: That's the number four, the word Collector's channel on YouTube. 1140 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,039 Speaker 1: We hope to see many of you live on a 1141 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:21,039 future Saturday. 1142 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,119 Speaker 2: We have a great interactive chat room and we always 1143 00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:27,159 provide a link for anyone that wants to come on 1144 00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:30,119 the show and chop it up with us. 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