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Speaker 1: Live. This is Pet Life Radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk pets.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Human Animal Connection Show, where we believe

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we can communicate with all animals. Join us as we

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explore the thirty three principles and healing methods of the

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Human Animal Connection. As animal lovers, we know that you

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share our commitment to making the world a kinder place

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for all creatures. Together, let's embrace the transformative healing power

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of the Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm

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your host and the executive director of the Human Animal Connection.

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I am so delighted to have Melissa Pears. She's a

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lifelong horsewoman and she is the founder of Touched by

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a Horse and the creator of the equine Gestalt coaching method,

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which she's been doing for decades and she's helped so

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many people and so many horses and I can't wait

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to hear all about it. So, just for people who

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don't Millia with Gestalt, can you give us just a

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little explanation of what your method's all about, what that means?

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me so much so. Gestalt is

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a German word and it loosely translates into flowing into

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form or coming into wholeness. So it's a form of

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therapy and a form of coaching that allows people to

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go back and finish their unfinished business. It's efficient, it's quick,

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it's creative, and the horses are are partners in doing

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the work.

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Speaker 3: That's wonderful. I think horses know something about wholeness that

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we need to learn. They do.

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Speaker 2: They well, they live a very gestalt life. You know. Hey,

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in gestalt, you're in the present moment, and horses are

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always in the present moment. Yes, my horses are not

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thinking about I wonder yesterday why this happened, or wonder

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if tomorrow we're going to do this, or that. They're

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right here right now, and they teach us that. Yes,

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I think it's why we're so connected to them. We

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go out to the barn and be with them for

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a while. You're not going to get anywhere unless you're

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present with that right right, Yeah, you can't get anything

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done unlist or here they said about your button, then

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they say, are you with me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Here, what is it you think you're doing here? Hikes?

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So that's wonderful. Well, let's start a little bit of

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your history. Now, you grew up with horses, tell us

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about your life and horses just briefly.

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Speaker 2: Well, in sixth grade, my science teacher actually announced to

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the class that he had a horse for sale, and

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I just knew in my heart that was my horse.

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I just knew it. I call him and badgered my mother.

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My dad was out of town, and long story short,

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but we got this horse and she was my very

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first and I went on from there to many and

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then later became a breeder of horses in my career.

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And I've shown I've done a whole variety of different

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things with horses all the way through. But now you've

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kind of find your passion your work with this gestalt

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method of helping people come into wholeness. And tell us

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more about how your method works. I became a psychotherapist,

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and I trained from a psychotherapist viewpoint. I train lay people.

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They do not have to be therapists or coaches when

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they come in to the program. And what happens if

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you were my client. Actually I had a client just

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this morning, finished just in time to get here on

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time for this backcast that oh okay, and she came

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in her daughter, her grown daughter actually referred her to

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me and got her a session, and she came in.

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She had raised three children with her husband with a

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six year brain tumor, and he passed when the kids

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were like twelve, fifteen, and seventeen. So she didn't give

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herself any time for her grief process because the mom

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of three teenagers, and she got into a mode of

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distraction and let's get this taken care of. But they're

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all grown now, they are out of the house, and

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she finds herself despondent and lonely and not engaging in life.

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And we discovered together today, so much of it was

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her not dealing with her grief when it happened and

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you know, moaning it and here it is all these

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years later, you know, catching up with her and the

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horse this morning was phenomenal. He did a great job

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and she had a huge breakthrough.

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Speaker 3: Wow, wonderful. So this was an in person session then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she was here on site. She lives a

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couple of provinces north of me, about an eight hour

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Speaker 3: Oh hey, Amanda, stay up. Well, wow for town. So

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tell me a little bit about the horse in the

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in that session, Like, what what did the port like?

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If I was a fly on the wall, I'm glad.

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I'm not a fly. But if I was, what would

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I have seen? What would I what would I've noticed?

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A cat in the arena? I was letting us go

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with the cat. Let's go there. I'll be a cat.

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I'll be I'll be the barnyard cat, the happy grave,

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calm barnyard gat. What did I see? So? So Halo

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was Halo's hello? Is a horse?

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Speaker 2: Yes? He Gipsy Vanner gelding about ten years old, and

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he was in a round pen, and she had start

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by sitting outside of the round pen, and already he

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was very aware of her and very engaged with the fact,

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kind of giving me signals that she was in her head,

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not in her heart. And that's part her temperament's part

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who she is. She's been a nurse and a kind

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of scientist and stuff. She's always in her head. And

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so he gave me that signal by detaching. So they're

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very interested in what we feel. They're not at all

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interested in what we think. It's as so interesting nice. Yeah,

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he just quietly looked at me, and then he moved

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away and stood about fifteen feet back looking at us.

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and listening to how she was speaking, I knew she

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was coming from a thought pattern, not how she felt.

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So I started moving her through my work of speaking

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to her daughter in law, who's a little bit of

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a problem for her. We started there in an empty chair,

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so she's saying her truth to her daughter and law,

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and then we got around to what was really going

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on as I'm probing and asking questions, and it was grief.

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had her speak to her husband, and she's not a

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person who cries easily, and she definitely let down into

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some very big tears of what it's been like to

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be alone all these years, even the struggle she's having

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now is there adult children? You know what to do

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with all that. So the session goes and I end

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up inviting her in and she doesn't know anything about

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horses her into the pen with Halo kind of gave

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her a few little safety reminders and then he's on

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free liberty and she steps into the pen with him.

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Speaker 3: Old on one second, let me just ask one quick question.

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When she started to cry, did Halo shift in his behavior? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Definitely, good category. Right over to the fence and standing

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there and I don't point these things out to the client,

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observe it sometimes more. Yes, he absolutely what. She dropped

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down into her feelings about her daughter in law and

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then her feelings about the husband.

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Speaker 3: She he was right with her.

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Speaker 2: He was like, I grant you, I'll write with you.

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So part of what horses do in this work is

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they are what I call an equadetector, kind of like

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a lie detector, not meaning lies like I'm not telling

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the truth. It's more personal if I'm not telling the

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truth to myself. So if I'm thinking something and it's

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not benefiting me, it's not really how I feel. That's

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what they're very sensitive to. So she moved into kind

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of an equidetector position with her. I placed her in

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the pen. I asked her to walk a certain direction.

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She walks that direction, and I asked her a couple

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of questions that said, finish this sentence. And I gave

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her sentence and she's starting to finish it, and immediately

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Halo went over and blocked her, stood just stopped her attracted,

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and I said, he's identifying truth that you need to

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repeat to yourself again. Hear what you're saying say that again.

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She says, I don't really know what I said. And

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I said, I realize that, and so it is halo,

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She goes, oh, and she dropped again, and dropped into

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her truth, and he kept her just quietly blocked, not

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doing anything bad, just standing peacefully. Once she got it

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and got it all the way through, he turned and

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started allowing her to walk forward again, and he did

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that several times. One time she said to herself, I think,

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I think I She said something like, I regret, I

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regret being such a distracted mother. That's what it was,

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and she was being hard on herself about it. I

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was so distracted, and he walked away from her. He

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came all to my side of the pan, just like, nope, nope, nope.

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Speaker 3: No, that's not it. We're not gonna do that, right.

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Speaker 2: So I caught her on it and I said, I said,

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husband's in bed for six years with a very aggressive

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brain tumor. You have three children, some who are turning

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teenage years, and your working full time as a nurse

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in the hospital, and you're taking care of your mother

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who had Alzheimer's and you're telling yourself you were too distracted.

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I said, what you're saying, right, He shot her with empathy,

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and she said, I was doing the very best I

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could do with what I had to work with right then,

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in that moment in time, and I really wasn't distracted

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because I always cared. And he turned around and went

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right back over to her. He couldn't walk fast enough, right,

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drops his head down in what I think was a

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nomous stay post, just kind of yeah, And the session

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went on like that, and he'd be right with her,

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he'd stop her, he'd engage with her full away.

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Speaker 3: You know, so one of a million behaviors that they do. Yeah,

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So he's really he's really reading what's happening in the moment,

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and he's also recognizing when she's being really authentic to

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her heart versus being in her head and giving her

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that instant signals say, is it's really beautiful to watch

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because like, if not that you would have done this.

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But let's say someone said, oh, you're in your head

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now or something their finger, that wouldn't have worked at all.

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But the horse. But when the horse gives us a signal,

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it's like it's just neutral, it's just information. It's it's

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not good, it's not bad, it's just okay, you're not

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in your heart now. Yeah, And I.

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Speaker 2: Tell clients, I say, you know, you never forget the

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experience that a twelve hundred pound horse gives you. You know,

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that stays with us. That's experiential learning. What I said

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didn't matter. It is what she said and what he did.

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And when she understood, she said, why did he block

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me the first time? And I said, he's wanting to

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stop you in your tracks to process what you just said.

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And she goes, gosh, I don't even know what I

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just said. He said, see, he could feel that, he

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could tell you weren't really connecting to it.

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Speaker 3: So we went through that.

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Speaker 2: Then another time he pulled away and she said, why

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did he walk away from me like that? And you know, basically,

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he's calling you on your bs. He's saying that you're

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being hard on yourself. So let's process that. I just

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engage really beautifully and that's one of the ways, and

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that's what he does. He's a really good equadetector, you know.

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Is when I think of him as is my little

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truth detector.

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Speaker 3: Your truth detector. And how long you've been head of Halo.

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Speaker 2: You know, not long year and a half, probably a

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most bay I've raised and had for a really long time.

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Speaker 3: But I had him about a year and a half.

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And did you know, I mean, what made you say, oh,

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Halo has to do this work with me? How did

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you know? What did you see? What did you feel?

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Speaker 2: No, he's a funny story. He was an intuitive hit

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that I had. I had a graduate of my program

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who reached out to me and she said, this gypsy

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vander gelding's coming up for auction in Florida. And I'm

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in California at the time on vacation, and I'm like, yeah, so,

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and she goes, I really think you'd like him. He's

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really cute and they ride and they do all this stuff,

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you know, And I did not meet another horse, and

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I thought about it, and then I looked at him online.

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I watched the video of them riding him and stuff,

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and I think, only he's pretty nice. If I don't

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decide to keep him, I could probably find a student

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that would want him.

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Speaker 3: And all this. Well, anyway, I buy him.

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Speaker 2: In this on he comes out to Colorado to my

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ranch at Colorado, and I was still in California and

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my guy who rides for me then his name is Scott.

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I said, Scott, just ride him a little bit and

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tell me what I bought, tell me what you think,

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all me And he said he had to be drugged.

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have a lot of controls on him, and he's not

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built very well, so he's rough as all get out.

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Speaker 3: So I'm thinking, all darn, I did you know, did

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the wrong clim Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Came home a week later and I went in his

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pen and he was sweet as could be, and I said, Hello,

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here's the deal. If you can do the work I

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really do in the world and partner with me doing

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that work, just loving on people, keeping them safe, but

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speaking your truth. I said, you have a home for

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life side that's not for you, then we'll find you

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another good home. And so I'm like, Okay, he came

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out of that stall, no joke, Jimmie. He came out

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of that stall about an hour later to work with

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his first client. He's knocked it out of the park

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every single time, every single time. He never lets me

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down ever.

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Speaker 3: That's such a beautiful story because here's a horse that

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somebody else obviously put on auction, they had no use

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for him, or didn't understand him, or him away, throw

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him away, and then we find what his true purpose is,

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which every horse is different. Would you say, let's just

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take it on a scale of let's say, out of

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ten horses, Well, let's say out of one hundred horses,

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how many would you say have the potential to work

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the level that Halo's working at. I mean, how rare

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Speaker 2: It's not, it's not as rare. So out of a

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hundred horses, I'm going to say, a good eighty eighty

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or so are gonna do? Really, I'm form of the

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word form, be happy to do it, not necessarily equid detector.

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work and different things. But I think what made him

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extraordinary was his clere sentience. He understood, he understood I

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was being fair with him, Like, okay, the seller was

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not fair with me.

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Speaker 3: That's not your fault.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to put a bunch of money

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into you to get you to where I can ride

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you and we can all be happy riding. And it

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doesn't seem like that's what you want to do. You

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want to do what I do?

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Speaker 3: Great, If you don't, I will find a good home.

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You will. You will get a good home.

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Speaker 2: You know. I just gave him all that comfort, and

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he watched my other horses doing two or three different

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pieces of work. You know, when you just observed and

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watched and then went out was a rock star.

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Speaker 3: Wow, he loved it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was motivated.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: I do find the Gypsy van Er breed I have,

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I have paints quarter horses have all different I do

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find the Gypsy van Or breed are highly intuitive and

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very cleare sentient in this work. They have big the

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drivers in them, so they tend to be kind of

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naturals at a lot of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is so exciting. It's so wonderful too. And

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I'm sure you've probably in your travels, either with yourself

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or other people, you've seen people who thought they had

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a therapy horse and it really wasn't their work true. Yeah,

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and how do you explain to that person, I don't

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think this is your horse's true passion.

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Speaker 2: I travel around the country doing retreats back in the day.

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Now I have my own retreats center. I don't do

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all that traveling. But I was in Minnesota at a

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gorgeous facility in Minnesota. Had been invited up to du

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a women's retreat, and I went the day before and

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the owner of the retreat said, we've got a lot

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of horses for you to choose from, you know, figure

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out which ones you know, three or four or five,

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whatever you need.

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Speaker 3: Just let us know.

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Speaker 2: We'll get them cleaned up, you know, and all this.

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And I went out and did what I do. I

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connected and basically said I'm a human that helps other

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humans feel better in their life, and if you want

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to partner with me on that and do whatever you

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think needs to be done. I listened to you, you

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listen to me. You know, it's a partnership. I'm saying

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this and thinking this. Of the horses, and there was

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a very very dirty it was mud season, very very muddy, dirty,

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goofy looking little paint mare that came over to the

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fence like pushed her way through.

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Speaker 3: All like this. This is I've been waiting for you, you know.

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Speaker 2: So I chose her, and I selected three or four

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and I got back to the barn and I told

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her who I had selected. She goes her she's an

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old bread mare. She is an old brood mare, that's

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all she is. And I said, for not showing in

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the show ring were hearts? And apparently she has a

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mega watt heart. She wants to connect with my clients.

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So they cleaned her up and brought her in and

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she had her dressage champion, very nice, pricey horse in

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the horse world, standing in cross ties. And she said, well,

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don't you want to work with him? And he was gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: And they said, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think he wants to do this? What oh, I

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think he'll do anything. He's brilliant, he's this, he's that

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you don't really love with her horse, And so I

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asked him right in front of her, I said, so

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I freaking His name was like I don't know, two

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letters like JK or something. So he do you want

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to do this work healing human hearts with me? And

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he shakes his head. Note that was a fly. That

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was a fly basking me in JK. Do you want

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to take a few days and do this work healing

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humans with me? And he stomps his foot and he

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shakes and all right. That freaked me out.

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Speaker 3: Get bright. No, I do not.

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Speaker 2: I do not. I know how to do what I

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do and that's what I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 3: I'm not in this stuff. So it's beautiful. Yeah, so

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when in doubt asked the horse, that's the moral story.

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Speaker 2: People hope that horses in sanctuaries, you know, rescue horses

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will do the work, and I have very strong feelings

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about that. I think that as a second position, second

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career for some of them. Yes, they're bored, they're looking

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for something. They still trust humans at some level and

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they're fine, and they have some that have done really

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great work. But then there's the others that, to me,

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the sole covenant between humans and horses has been so

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badly broken. They be loved and taken care of and

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never asked to do another flippant thing their whole life.

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Just three beard. I'm always careful, and I do see

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people try to do that. I think they're doing therapy

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with horses and they go get a part at its

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heartwork and it's not it's not rare.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we're going to take a short little break

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and went from back, we're going to hear more of

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your wonderful stories. We'll be back in just a moment,

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real people, real stories.

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Speaker 4: Our little dog developed this loomph problem. The chemotherapy lasted

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for six months, started developing more lymph nose, so I

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thought I'd just tried carnival work. The lymph nose started

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to go. Then I took him into the vet to

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him checked out, and then there was no signs at

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all inside. My god had issues that developed in his

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eighth and three months later, my ven airing said let's

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go ahead and remove the eye.

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Speaker 3: I heard the carnivor on advertising, so I said, you

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know what, I'm going to order this product.

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Speaker 4: They did the procedure, they did all the death and

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they said, I don't know where you did this product.

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They had I I've got a labrador.

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Speaker 2: You could hardly lift yourself up off the floor.

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Speaker 4: The treatment was chemeotherapy. That's when I said this could

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be the ticket. About three weeks you could tell she

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was very alert. She was going on five mile walk

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and she is just like crime account.

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the show.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk pets on petlifradio dot com.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to The Human Animal Connection, and I am

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speaking today with Melissa Pears and she is the author

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of Touched by a Horse and the creator of the

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Equine Gestalt coaching method. So you mentioned earlier, I wanted

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to just backtrack a little bit about that that different

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types of healing. There's not just one way that therapy

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horses work. They each work a bit uniquely, but there

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are sort of three categories that you've talked about. And

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with Halo, what would you call his type of healing? Well, Clarson,

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I think he is so sensitive to whether somebody's congruent,

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whether they're telling their truth to themselves, and so he

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very definitely can pick up the vibe of the brain

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and the heart and the gut all being in alignment.

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And when they're congruent, he's right with them. When it's discombobulated,

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he's not. He backs out it dropped, right. I think

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he's very good at that equidetector place. Okay, so the

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equad detector, And then we talked about the pantomimer. What

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type of healing or do you have a story about

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a pantomime horse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Gestalt is very experiential. We set up experiments with

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people and they're working through different things that have happened

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in their life. A lot of deep trauma work and

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that kind of thing. When I think of pantomime er

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most recently, I think of a client of mine, Angelica,

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and she had she was fifteen when she was pregnant

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with her first daughter. Parents made them merry, so they did.

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They had two more kids, and he was highly abusive,

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not a little but the real deal to prison for

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twenty six years. So you know, you have to be

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hugely violent with your wife and children for the courts

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to do that kind of action, take that kind of

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serious action. And so here she was these several years later,

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kids are growing up they're late teens at that point,

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and she's taken a look at her life and who

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she is, and she was feeling again bad about herself

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somehow around it all, she had done nothing but be

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a great mom to these three girls, but she kept

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taking the responsibility of like, they grew up without a dad,

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and that's my fault and all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: And so I.

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Speaker 2: Built a house out of what I call flower boxes.

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They're basically like PVC poles set on their side with

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flowers in them, so like you'd use for a walk

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over pole or something with horses. And I put four

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together in the middle of the round pen, making it

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sort of a little house. And I said, step into

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your house. And I had three women there at the

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group that were helping me. So she's standing in her

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house and I said, and here comes your first baby.

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one woman, and I said, this is your daughter, so

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and so, and here you are. And Gabriel takes that moment,

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knowing the piece. He's brilliant panomimer, he's seen it all

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and what she's talked about him, and Gabriel's the horse. Yeah, yes, sorry,

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Gabriel horse. He walks right in between the the mother

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and the woman playing the baby just boom, just barges in,

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not politely and just moves her over and stands in

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the house. And so I said, is that what that

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felt like? She goes, oh, definitely, says that's what that

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felt like. When we process through that, we ended up

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putting the second daughter in, and he does it again.

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and gets right in the middle. It's kind of all

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about him, and they get all to the sides and

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he's taken up the whole box, right.

472
00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:00,279
Speaker 3: So we put the.

473
00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 2: Third went in and the third daughter in. She comes in,

474
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,440
he comes over, he starts to come in, and she went, no,

475
00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:08,440
you stay out there.

476
00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:09,079
Speaker 3: Just natural.

477
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: She didn't think it was her husband. She just said

478
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,039
to the horse, no, stay out there, stay out there.

479
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,839
She knew nothing about horses. And he stopped and he

480
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,920
looked at her, and he starts to come in again.

481
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,759
She goes, no, you stay out there, stay out there.

482
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,400
And I said, Angelica, is that what you did? Is

483
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,960
that when you said enough is enough? And I'm going

484
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,079
to get the police involved and I'm going to speak

485
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,319
to it. And he's going to go to prison. She goes, yes,

486
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,119
that's exactly what that felt like. Just he was big

487
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,880
and imposing and all of this. So I never let

488
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,359
my horses wear the black hat for very long. I

489
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,279
like them to be in the happier side of things,

490
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,119
right right, right, Well, once she got that, I said,

491
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,440
step on out a second, and I said, now I

492
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,079
want you to meet Gabriel as the protector of you,

493
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,599
and not not this playing your ex husband. Let's him

494
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,480
be the protector. She's walking in the circle and he

495
00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:02,279
goes over to her, hoax his head over her shoulder,

496
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,799
pulls her body into him, and then he holds her

497
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,799
like just this beautiful, closed horse eyed hug, and she

498
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,359
wraps her arms around him and just cries her heart out.

499
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: So he knew, he knew.

500
00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:18,599
Speaker 2: And to miming apart, it's not who I am, right

501
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,440
And to miming apart, he's not a rude horse at all.

502
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,720
He would nevers. You and I were just standing in

503
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,359
that box having this conversation, right it never barged into

504
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,759
that box. He exactly what he was doing. Wow, I

505
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:34,759
only have about one million stories like that. Yeah, that's wonderful, wonderful, Okay.

506
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,279
And then The other one you mentioned was vibrational healing.

507
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,440
What horse is an example of that? I think most

508
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,640
of mine, but I I'm very honored to have a

509
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,920
mayor that's been with me a long time. Her name

510
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,640
is Rhiannon Gypsy Van or Mare, and we we are

511
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,559
My teacher in me now here that we are somatic

512
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,920
creatures and they are somatic creatures. So we have many, many,

513
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,920
many energy systems. Some people think of chakras, which is

514
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,799
the main seven, and horses have them as well. They

515
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,440
have two additional over us, but they have them as well,

516
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,160
and there is a magic between the alignment in that

517
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:21,119
and what many horses are able to do is elevate

518
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,279
the actual tone of the chakra for the human. So

519
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,799
humans speak, we think of reiki. We do reiki. Doing

520
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,559
reiki on a horse that's sick or hurt, I'm all

521
00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:33,599
for it. Doing reiki on a healthy horse. Know that

522
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,160
your horse is laughing at you, because hey, a reiki masters.

523
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,079
They do it's so much better than we can. So

524
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,200
they're going, oh, that's so cute, she's doing that. Well

525
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:46,559
they will take I've done it with actually with.

526
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,839
Speaker 3: Sound too. You can't get the tuning fork, thank you.

527
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 2: We can get the word many swhere, I've hit a

528
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,880
tuning fork show bring that part of her chakra field

529
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,720
over and literally change the So if it's m she'll

530
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:06,440
raise the sound and that's what they're doing. So working

531
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,279
with a client, she will oftentimes be the one that

532
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,039
puts the bow on the piece. Like after they've cried

533
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:15,759
and they've processed, I set them in the center of

534
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:19,920
the pen and I help them hyper ground to the

535
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,359
ground and get quiet inside themselves, and then she'll go over.

536
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:28,400
She'll work on somebody for maybe thirty minutes, aligning the

537
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,480
part of her chakra body to theirs and then raising

538
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:36,000
that vibration. She lowers her head, closes her eyes, holds

539
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:38,480
it really tight. Then she comes up. She moves to

540
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:43,039
another spot and she works on that. It's fascinating to watch. Well,

541
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,079
most horses will work on the sound of the chakra.

542
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,079
For people that make those changes, She's just developed over

543
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,279
several years with me, she has developed her her own thing. Boy,

544
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:57,039
I don't mess with it. If I try, I try

545
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:58,920
to say, rihann and we need to wrap up now

546
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,440
for lunch.

547
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,759
Speaker 3: She the eagle eye. Well, we're not done yet, so.

548
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: That's worried and I think everybody could go home and

549
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,440
have an experience at home with their own horses.

550
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: If they have a horse.

551
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,279
Speaker 2: That I could walk them through.

552
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: If you're interested in me share exercise, well, I just

553
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,359
have one question before we do that, and that is

554
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:21,519
do the horses take on the energy in a way

555
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:25,119
that needs to be discharged? How do they process? Is

556
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,880
it just like flows through their main like winded through

557
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,720
their maine or how do how do they.

558
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,839
Speaker 2: They are in continual energy renewal. You know, when you

559
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,160
think about how horses communicate to each other, they are

560
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,519
doing it through that vibrational field. If you look at

561
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,519
wild horses, the alpha mares out front, the field is

562
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,680
a triangle. You know. They don't go past her. She's

563
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,160
not saying, hey, you guys, we got a hurry. She's

564
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:55,200
going They're following her body language. But they also follow

565
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:59,759
her sense. So when she says we're safe now, many

566
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:01,640
will lay down. The alpha doesn't lay down, but many

567
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,599
will lay down a rest and get their rest and

568
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,359
get their you know, they just know that's the world

569
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,319
they live in. They're very conscious of that. So the

570
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:13,359
moving of energy, they have no thought pattern that doubts it.

571
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:16,319
They have nothing in the way humans, we have all

572
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:18,799
that like, is that really happening? Do I really feel that?

573
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:20,920
You know, we have all that doubt stuff that gets

574
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,599
in our way. They're in full trust mode and vibrational

575
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,240
stuff passes through them. They know how to discharge it.

576
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,039
Sometimes they'll go roll. I don't usually put them back

577
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,519
in a regular stall. I want them to be out

578
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:37,960
where they can just have their horsey thoughts and clout

579
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,880
and roll and do what they want to do. They

580
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,960
don't hold onto things. You think about two mirrors and

581
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,079
a pasture that turn butt to button kick at each

582
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:47,920
other because they're mad over something, and they'll make so

583
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,240
much noise. The exel pissed off and their ears are back,

584
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,559
and it's a big kerfluffle. Scarce humans to even watch

585
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,319
it because they look like they're going to just hurt

586
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,880
each other so bad. But an hour later they're not

587
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:02,759
still brooding on that, they're not thinking about that, they're

588
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,720
not worried about that, and the next time they see

589
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,079
that mare, they're cool with it. Hey, Genie, I'm mostly

590
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,359
you know, they don't hold on to that stuff like

591
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:15,079
we do. That's that's our analytical mind, our quantitative, qualitative

592
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,880
mind that does comparisons. We hold on to stuff. Yes,

593
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,000
we do for years and years and years. Yeah.

594
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: Great, okay, well let's chat. If people have a horse

595
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:28,119
and they live with their share their life for the horse.

596
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,480
So they tell us what how people could be good

597
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:31,880
to think about this for themselves.

598
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:36,039
Speaker 2: Well, if it is safe for I'll speak directly to

599
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:38,200
your audience, if it is safe for you to do so.

600
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,960
So you have to uh not do this with a

601
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:42,799
yearling or a two year old. You know, get a

602
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:45,920
mature horse around you, and you're able to do it

603
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,519
with just that horse, and you in any size pen

604
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,319
or paddock or field. Uh. The reason I say that

605
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,559
is because you get multiple horses around somebody that can

606
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:55,279
be unsafe.

607
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: So I want you to be.

608
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: One on one with a horse. Loosen an arena wherever,

609
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:04,720
and then notice when you walk out there and you

610
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:09,319
stand still, and you pay attention to your feet, and

611
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:13,160
you pay attention to being as grounded as you can

612
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:14,400
allow yourself to be.

613
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: Just stop.

614
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: What they see with us, Genie is we're in constant movement,

615
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,720
constant thoughts, getting things done and doing this and doing that.

616
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:26,240
So we're like a rabbit to them, right, picture how

617
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:28,400
a rabbit feels, so we feel like a rabbit energy.

618
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:32,160
So when we stop and we ground and center our energy,

619
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:38,519
they're fascinated. They're like, Genie's standing still, you mind as quiet?

620
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,160
Genie know this, We can probably go see her if

621
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,720
she's still standing still, So they will come up. Most

622
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,200
horses will then drop their nose down to your left

623
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,440
shoe first, then they move it to the right. Then

624
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,119
they move it back to the left, back to the right.

625
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,160
Then you left me right me, left hip, right hip.

626
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,599
They do an assessment of your energy. And if you

627
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,160
stand still and you don't talk and you stay grounded,

628
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:09,119
most horses will walk around you and check around you

629
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,119
as well to the other facets. So that's one your

630
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,400
your folks with our horses, and to see that they're

631
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,359
taking in information from to each side of their brain,

632
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,200
because their brain works very differently than ours, so they're

633
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,519
taking in all that data and then they take it

634
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:26,400
in on the other side, on the intuitive side, so

635
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:28,960
going through all that data.

636
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:30,519
Speaker 3: The other one.

637
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: That we do, and I've done it in front of

638
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:36,559
huge audiences at horse expos is have the person enter

639
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:41,079
the arena thinking math. Now, I don't like maths, so

640
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,200
I do one plus one is two and two plus

641
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,200
two is four. Like that, Just thinkright as you're walking around,

642
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,799
most horses will completely ignore you. So they're out in

643
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,599
the field, they're going to ignore you. Then start thinking

644
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,799
about something in your physical body that hurts, and really

645
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:58,799
get into the field. I might arminousling right now. Really

646
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,960
into the feel of that torn rotator cuff, you know,

647
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:04,599
get you. Most horses will pick up their head look

648
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,839
at you, start approaching towards you, or at least pay

649
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,839
a lot of attention. But if you can move into

650
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,000
your heart, into some sad day you've had, or a

651
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:18,559
hurt in your past or anything like that, boom, they

652
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,599
are right there and very present. At that I think

653
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,920
proves to everybody you know this they care about how.

654
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:28,279
Speaker 3: We feel they were. That's very powerful. We can to

655
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,920
change it. That still very powerful. Yeah, or almost at

656
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,440
a time. But I want to hear about the story

657
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,039
about Gus before we let you go.

658
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:38,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were asking how do they learn to do this?

659
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,480
I think they do it innately. But Gus was this

660
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,720
gorgeous palomino belonged to a gall that was boarding at

661
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,279
my place, and so we were helping him have his

662
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,400
first piece of work with someone. And this client in

663
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,720
the pen was a student of mine, so she understood

664
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:55,720
we were doing this for the horse. So I asked

665
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,559
her to move into her own, you know, body field

666
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:01,440
and really ground herself and all. And I asked him,

667
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,440
and I have it all on film. It is so cute,

668
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,880
and I said, Gus, you're over here by me, where

669
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,920
should you be? And he turned around, he looked at her,

670
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,960
and he brought his head back around, looked at me,

671
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,159
and he said, you've got it. That's exactly where you

672
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,440
should be. That's your client. You should go over there.

673
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,039
He looks at her again, he looks back at me,

674
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,960
takes a big breath.

675
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:20,599
Speaker 3: And he goes over there.

676
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: Now he's not what to do when he gets there, right,

677
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,719
but he has them kind of all over and he's

678
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,519
checking everything out and he comes back like a football

679
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:30,199
player to the coach. He goes back to Okay, So

680
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,440
I said, well, why are you back over here? Where

681
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,239
should you be over there? But you know, I don't

682
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,239
know what I should be doing, so I'm not sure.

683
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,519
I said, you just do your heart. You do whatever

684
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:41,840
feels right in your heart. As long as she's safe,

685
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,320
you just give it your best shot. Okay, and he

686
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,440
goes back in. Finally, the third time, he starts to

687
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,519
come toward me, and I go, no more time outs,

688
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,719
you're at work. Did not come to the coaching line,

689
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,199
and he just stops and he looks at me, and

690
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,679
then he turned right around, right back to the client.

691
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:01,480
He became a phenomenal gestal horse. But getting that was

692
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:04,880
his insecurity. You know, really just kind of do whatever

693
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,239
I think I'm supposed to do. Whatever you like doing.

694
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,039
They're very kind, very sweet, and very kind creatures for sure.

695
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: Oh it's wonderful, Yeah, wonderful. Well, great story. Well, I've

696
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,599
been speaking with Melissa Pierce and she's the author of

697
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:20,079
Touch by a Horse. Now, if people want to get

698
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:23,280
in touch with you, do you do any remote work

699
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:23,800
with people?

700
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: I do.

701
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,159
Speaker 3: I do.

702
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,599
Speaker 2: We have a podcast Touched by a Horse. My husband

703
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,159
and I do that, and I have a two year

704
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,679
training program for people that want to learn to do

705
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,320
my method of gestalt with horses. Everything's on our website

706
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,840
Touched by a Horse dot com. It came after Touched

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by an Angel, that old show that was on TV.

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Touched by a Horse. All the information of all three

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of our programs and everything that we do is on there.

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I see one on one clients here, but I'm blessed

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to have three hundred certified practitioners of my method around

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the world and so primarily the US, Canada, but in

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eleven other countries. So if people are looking for something,

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especially trauma work, if you have a background of sexual abuse,

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or you've been a veteran, or you've had a house

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burned down, or all the myriad of things. A tough

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divorce life is full of those things. This is the

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work that is quick. One or two visits you feel

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completely whole again, So that would be great. And on

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my website they can find a practitioner near them, or

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they can send me an email tell me what they're

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looking for and I'll send them directly to who is

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in their area and would help them out.

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Speaker 3: Great wonderful. Alyssa Peers, author of Touch by Horse, thank

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you so much for being with us today. We'll have

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to have you on again because I know we've just

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scratched the surface. Thank you, Genie anytime. Love to all right,

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all Matte, you've been listening to the Human Animal Connection.

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We'll see you on the next episode by for now.

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