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<v Speaker 1>This is Doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to k

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<v Speaker 1>I Am six forty, the Doctor Wendy wallsh Show on

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<v Speaker 1>demand on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome back to the Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy Walls Show on I Am six SORTI relive everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app. This is the time of the

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<v Speaker 1>show where I take to my social media producer Klyst,

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<v Speaker 1>scrolls around, looks for your dms, we check our email,

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<v Speaker 1>We do all kinds of things to answer your relationship questions.

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<v Speaker 1>A reminder, I'm not a therapist. I'm a psychology professor,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've written three books on relationships and did a

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<v Speaker 1>dissertation on attachment theory. And I'm a woman of a

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<v Speaker 1>certain age who's had every kind of relationship possible. So

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<v Speaker 1>I've got some life wisdom for you. Okay, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Dear Doctor Wendy says this one. I like

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<v Speaker 1>this question. What are the best questions to ask when

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get to know someone on a serious level?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what you want to ask, questions where they

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<v Speaker 1>get to be real, authentic, vulnerable, And my favorite set

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<v Speaker 1>of questions you can find them online. There's even an

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<v Speaker 1>app for it. Is called thirty six questions to fall

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<v Speaker 1>in love. These were developed by a psychologist who tested

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<v Speaker 1>them on couples and found that after answering these thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six questions, and it takes about ninety minutes to get

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<v Speaker 1>through it a nice long first date. Couples reported feelings

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<v Speaker 1>of love for each other and they start light and

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<v Speaker 1>then they get a little deeper, and some of them

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<v Speaker 1>are funny, and so look it up. Thirty six questions

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<v Speaker 1>to fall in love so you can get to the

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<v Speaker 1>real stuff instead of just some What movies do you like?

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<v Speaker 1>What music do you listen to? That's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>hold you in the long run? Okay, dear doctor Wendy,

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<v Speaker 1>I took the advice of building a friendship with a

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<v Speaker 1>man before it gets romantic. He became my best friend,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we got romantic and it didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm struggling to be his friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we be friends with someone you love so deeply?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you be friends with someone you love so deeply?

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<v Speaker 1>I would need a whole bunch more information about why

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't work out. I hope you're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell me the problem with sexual chemistry, because you can

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<v Speaker 1>obviously go to a sex therapist and you can talk

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<v Speaker 1>things and communication. Andrea, you can get around that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody can learn to have great sex life. Honestly, it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work out, and now you're struggling to be his friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you be friends with someone you love so deeply?

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<v Speaker 1>So when you use the words someone you love so deeply,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like what's happened here is unrequited love on

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<v Speaker 1>your side, that you do love this person and he

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<v Speaker 1>did not love you back. I would say, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be hard to transition that into a

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<v Speaker 1>friendship in the short term because it's going to keep

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<v Speaker 1>bringing up these feelings every time you see him and

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<v Speaker 1>talk to him. So sadly, you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>go no contact for a while until you heal yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and start seeing somebody else. Dear doctor Wendy, I fell

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<v Speaker 1>for this man who is bipolar. I like to not

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<v Speaker 1>give diagnoses. A full on character identity is by Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Howbot has a diagnosis of bipolar personality. Okay, he's been

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<v Speaker 1>a blessing and then a burden. I love when he's supportive,

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<v Speaker 1>kind and caring, and then I want to run for

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<v Speaker 1>the hills when he's spiraling and manic. We were once

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<v Speaker 1>married Woo while I was caring for my mom who

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<v Speaker 1>was suffering from Parkinson's Woo. It was a lot and

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<v Speaker 1>it was pulling me apart. He has refused medical help

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<v Speaker 1>and says God will get me through my condition. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that's positive and a good way to start, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm struggling. Thank you in advance for your guidance and support. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to, you know, I think everybody deserves love,

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<v Speaker 1>even those who suffer from mental illness or personality disorders. However,

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<v Speaker 1>if the symptoms of his disorder are hurting you and

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<v Speaker 1>hurting your relationship, and by the way, you have every

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<v Speaker 1>right to say, listen when you are spiraling, when your manic,

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<v Speaker 1>call me when you're out of it. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>it can be days, it can be weeks, it could

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<v Speaker 1>be months, but you can set up a boundary that says,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be around when you're like this.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you, but this is hurting me too much.

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<v Speaker 1>You could try that first. And the other thing is

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<v Speaker 1>you could insist that he become medicated, get on medication

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<v Speaker 1>that makes him more functional, because why are you hurting yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I want to know, why have you given

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<v Speaker 1>yourself permission to be hurt this way? That's what I say.

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<v Speaker 1>Start with the boundaries, Dear doctor Wendy. Why do men

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<v Speaker 1>work for years? I love it? Why do men like

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<v Speaker 1>all men? Every single one? Generalize? Right there, I've about

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<v Speaker 1>why do some men or one man that I met?

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<v Speaker 1>But let's continue. I digress. Why do men work for

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<v Speaker 1>years to get you? But when you give them a chance,

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<v Speaker 1>all that effort goes out the window. All right, this

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<v Speaker 1>you can put any gender on. I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>remember that relationships have various stages, and they should not

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<v Speaker 1>feel like a courtship or a honeymoon for years and

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<v Speaker 1>years and years. Of course, people of all genders are

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<v Speaker 1>going to try a little harder at the beginning. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've noticed that this person who you are now

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<v Speaker 1>in a committed relationship with is really doing nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>nurture the relationship, then this is an opportunity to have

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation about that. Right Even Julio will say to

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<v Speaker 1>me sometimes, are we getting into a rut? Are things

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<v Speaker 1>getting a little boring? Do we need to add some novelty?

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<v Speaker 1>And novelty may mean just going to do something different

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<v Speaker 1>together finding something else to do. Right, So, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's an opportunity for you guys to have a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>about Hey, I noticed that things are getting a little

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<v Speaker 1>boring for me, and it doesn't seem like we're going

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<v Speaker 1>out like, be very specific about the things you want.

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<v Speaker 1>This effort that he was making, what was in that effort?

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<v Speaker 1>Was he dressing better? Was he showering more? Was he

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<v Speaker 1>taking you out places? Give a laundry list of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff you're missing, and then say I'd like to do

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<v Speaker 1>more of that and see what happens. Right, Okay, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got more for you when we come back. If you

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<v Speaker 1>would like to send me a DM. If you've noticed

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<v Speaker 1>I keep your identity completely confidential. All you do is

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<v Speaker 1>send me a DM. Instagram is the place you check

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<v Speaker 1>the most, isn't it, Kayla? Right, So you send it

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<v Speaker 1>to at doctor Wendy Walsh. That's at Dr Wendy Walsh.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of you go on my website and send me

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<v Speaker 1>an email. Fine, you know, I forward it to Kayla

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<v Speaker 1>and she gets it on our list. I'm happy to

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<v Speaker 1>weigh in on your love life, all right when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back. Oh, the whole problem with nice guys and

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<v Speaker 1>bad boys. I used to have that problem. You're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show on KFI six forty

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<v Speaker 1>with Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 2>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Walsh Show on KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the segment of the show where I'm answering

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<v Speaker 1>your private messages that you send to me on social

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<v Speaker 1>media at Doctor Wendy Walsh. It is always my honor

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<v Speaker 1>to weigh in. This listener asked the question that so

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<v Speaker 1>many women struggle with, which is, Dear Doctor Wendy, why

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<v Speaker 1>am I not attracted to the nice guy and continuously

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<v Speaker 1>allow myself to be hurt by bad boys? Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>a preacher to the choir. I went through decades and

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<v Speaker 1>decades of this as a young woman, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>so frustrated. Evolutionary psychologists might say that we are naturally

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<v Speaker 1>triggered to go for guys who are taller, more muscular,

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<v Speaker 1>have deeper voices, have access to more resources, and those

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<v Speaker 1>particular men tend to become bad boys. If you'll want frequent,

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<v Speaker 1>short term relationships because they can because so many women

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<v Speaker 1>are attracted to them. And then there are these nice

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<v Speaker 1>guys who will do anything for you, and you're not

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<v Speaker 1>as excited by them. For me, I have to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you it took many, many years working with a therapist. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>the healing relationship of my healthy attachment with my children.

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<v Speaker 1>It caused me to realize my value, to feel that

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<v Speaker 1>I deserved good treatment. You see, we all have this unconscious,

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<v Speaker 1>silent attachment style, and I think I had what you

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<v Speaker 1>would call an anxious ambivalent attachment style, meaning the bad

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<v Speaker 1>boys if they were, you know, treating me badly or

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<v Speaker 1>pushing away and I was chasing them, there would be

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<v Speaker 1>that anxiety, right, I'd be anxious for them to call

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<v Speaker 1>to get together. I'd try to please them as much

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<v Speaker 1>as possible, and then there would be the nice guy

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<v Speaker 1>showing up, and I'd be very ambivalent about being loved,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would push them away. I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, like, after twenty years of single motherhood,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do not wish this on you. When I

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<v Speaker 1>actually kind and giving and loving, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I deserve this. I've worked hard for this, and I

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<v Speaker 1>got to my state of readiness to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>take in a nice guy, so it is an inside job.

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<v Speaker 1>I do suggest you work with a therapist on this,

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<v Speaker 1>because there could be a lot of things going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and it took me a long time to get over it.

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<v Speaker 1>And now when I see those bad boys out of

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<v Speaker 1>the world, or the old bad boys from the past,

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<v Speaker 1>when they come cruising by again, because they seem to

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Moving on, Dear doctor Wendy, how long do

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<v Speaker 1>I play hard to get? I want this guy bad,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to lose my power in the situation. Oooo. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the answer is, you're not supposed to be playing hard

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<v Speaker 1>to get as a manipulation tactic. You're supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>taking the time you need to assess them as a

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<v Speaker 1>possible mate. And if they are showing up, if they

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<v Speaker 1>are being honest, if they are doing what they say

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to do, their actions are matching their words,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're opening up and becoming emotionally vulnerable, then he's

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<v Speaker 1>probably ready for you to have a relationship and go

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<v Speaker 1>to that next step. But if all you're doing is

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<v Speaker 1>withholding sex from him to drive him crazy, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>building a relationship. It's also not assessing who he really

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<v Speaker 1>is because he's gonna be acting like the best made

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<v Speaker 1>in the world because he's playing that same game. So

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, do your full assessment, don't play hard

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<v Speaker 1>to get just see take the time that you need

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<v Speaker 1>to analyze the relationship. All right, Dear doctor Wendy, my

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<v Speaker 1>date has been going above and beyond. Well, that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>He gives me calls, calls daily, dates me weekly, But

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<v Speaker 1>he won't move forward. We've been doing this dance for

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<v Speaker 1>three months. I speculate that he still loves the mother

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<v Speaker 1>of his children, Da Da Da Da. He denies it

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<v Speaker 1>when I ask him about it. Is there another way

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<v Speaker 1>to find out? Well, first of all, you're focusing on

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong thing instead of saying, like, dude, are you

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<v Speaker 1>really into her and not me? You sure look insecure.

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<v Speaker 1>You do not look like you have won this game.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, be very clear about what your needs are.

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<v Speaker 1>What are your needs? Say move forward? How How is

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<v Speaker 1>he going to move forward? Having dinner in sex once

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<v Speaker 1>Oh here's a good one. Ooh, ooh ooh. Dear doctor Wendy,

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<v Speaker 1>Dear doctor Wendy, my wife no longer turns me on sexually.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody of all genders listen to me on this. It's

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<v Speaker 1>So please please, You and your wife could do so

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<v Speaker 1>much better just going to see a license sex therapist

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<v Speaker 1>after this? Producer Kayla, Oh, this is a good one

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<v Speaker 1>sacrificing your true feelings. When we come back, you are

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show and k

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<v Speaker 1>You know what life is. Life is interacting with all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of different people, people with different life experiences, people

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<v Speaker 1>about who you are, some prejudices, some attitudes. Remember, we

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, we're cooperative thinkers. So we do have

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<v Speaker 1>down into the swamp with them. It's happened to me,

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<v Speaker 1>the high road is very, very difficult because on some level,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to prove that you're right. Kayla. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever had a situation where someone totally triggered you and

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Yeah, And you really hurt yourself more when you

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<v Speaker 3>do that and you regret it. And that's something that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actively working toward, because I will take the low

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<v Speaker 3>road in a New York minute, Yeah, and I gotta

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<v Speaker 3>work on that because I don't feel good afterwards. I

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<v Speaker 3>feel good in the moment, but then afterwards it's like, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't me right. You know, there's this a saying and

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<v Speaker 1>I hear it on social media a lot about how

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<v Speaker 1>calls he triggers me. Well, first of all, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the most important thing to remember when you're learning to

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<v Speaker 1>is triggering you deliberately. They don't hold the trigger. You do.

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<v Speaker 1>You are the one. It's your job to not be triggered.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not their job to not trigger you. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what they're doing. They're bumbling around the dark and

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<v Speaker 1>human relationships and they don't know. And so I remember

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<v Speaker 1>I think agreement number one was take nothing personally. It's

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<v Speaker 1>always about them, always right. And you know, when I

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<v Speaker 1>to say that I should often like one intervention that

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<v Speaker 1>therapists could ask patients is who taught you that, because

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<v Speaker 1>it immediately takes it out of a dynamic between you

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<v Speaker 1>and the person who's insulting you, and instead goes to

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<v Speaker 1>a third person who could be to blame. So the

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<v Speaker 1>two of you could almost collude because let's say somebody

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<v Speaker 1>was at a dinner table, and it was front of people. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I said something that is used in common is a word, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's used in common language, but I can't say

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<v Speaker 1>it on the radio. Well it is mohab Nope, what

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<v Speaker 1>it's a sexual act that women perform on men.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there you go. That's the way you're saying. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, you can't say that at this dinner table.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds crass. And I said, what would you rather say? Fillatio? See,

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<v Speaker 1>I can say that on the radio. That was medically

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<v Speaker 1>terms a term, right and yeah, And then they just

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<v Speaker 1>your mom? I didn't go there. Okay, As another friend

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<v Speaker 1>a problem? It's a job? Why devalue women's work? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>I let it go. I took the high road. But

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<v Speaker 1>When somebody quote unquote triggers you or says something that

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's always ultimately about them. It's also really important

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<v Speaker 1>that you do the work of getting rid of your

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<v Speaker 1>tender spots. And that's one of the reasons I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>preaching people need to go see a licensed therapist, because

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<v Speaker 1>and anybody with any slight, whether it's you know, road rage,

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<v Speaker 1>when they're just busily going about their day, you have

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<v Speaker 1>too many tender spots and healing needs to take place.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to recognize they're not doing anything deliberate to you. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you can become more resilient in the face of triggers.

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<v Speaker 1>of their moving car. Well, what happens. It depends on

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<v Speaker 1>at you, are you a field of dry grass or

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<v Speaker 1>are you a soothing serene a puddle, We'll just put

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<v Speaker 1>it out right, let it go. Okay. So, if you've

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you're the one who has the power at that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget it. You're listening to the Doctor Wendy Walsh

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<v Speaker 1>Show on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the

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<v Speaker 2>AM six forty Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>To the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM six

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<v Speaker 1>from seven to nine. Anytime you're driving in the car,

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<v Speaker 1>I have been studying, researching, reading about writing about the

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<v Speaker 1>science of love for about three decades now, partly to

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<v Speaker 1>It all worked. I took my own advice that the

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<v Speaker 1>other day I was trying to explain my quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time meeting guys. And I thought to myself, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know about the high supply sexual economy that

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<v Speaker 1>we're in. So, in case you haven't heard me say

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<v Speaker 1>this before, because I haven't talked about it in a while,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all in my book, The Thirty Day Love Detoks.

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back to when patriarchy reigned. Men held the

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<v Speaker 1>that we're in a high supply sexual economy, there are

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<v Speaker 1>it because guys can just go on tender and just

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<v Speaker 1>swipe away. I believe that they are.

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<v Speaker 3>There are a lower number, but I saw my first

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<v Speaker 3>an app these days, But they just stand on the

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<v Speaker 3>corner there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the old days. Like the old days.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw plenty of naked breasts and they were just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of waiting for a car to pull over, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, Wow, this is still happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And still happening just like that. Yeah, because guys like

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<v Speaker 1>the whole no strings attached things. Yeah, yeah, they're anonymity.

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<v Speaker 1>They're interesting dudes anyway. So now we have reached a

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<v Speaker 1>time in our history where we are past uh, the farming,

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<v Speaker 1>which people say far the time of farming. Agriculture time

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<v Speaker 1>was the biggest downfall for women. Back when we were

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<v Speaker 1>hunters and gatherers, women actually roved in very protective packs

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<v Speaker 1>of lots of other women, and they had lots of

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<v Speaker 1>women to help assess guys. Guys had to work very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get a woman to copulate with them, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when we became farmers, women were separated from

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<v Speaker 1>their female tribe except if it was like a knitting

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<v Speaker 1>circle or a quilting bee, and they were on one

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<v Speaker 1>plot of land with one dude and a few tools,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were quarantined in some ways. That gave way

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<v Speaker 1>to the barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen model. Right

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<v Speaker 1>then we got the Industrial Revolution, where again women were

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<v Speaker 1>excluded except from the lower work, working in laundry houses

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. A prostitution. I think the height of prostitution

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe was in Victorian England. At that time there

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<v Speaker 1>were an estimated one prostitute for every twelve men in

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<v Speaker 1>the population. I mean that it was a full time

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<v Speaker 1>job for a lot of women, right, because you are

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<v Speaker 1>either going to go in the convent, you were going

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<v Speaker 1>to get married, and who knows what happened in that

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<v Speaker 1>could happen in that marriage, he had full control to

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<v Speaker 1>beat the heck out of you if it, or work

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<v Speaker 1>as a prostitute. So some people say the feminists, the

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<v Speaker 1>free women, were the prostitutes. Right, those were the choices.

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<v Speaker 1>Right fast forward we enter the information age. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>the information age, women are far more suited to extract

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<v Speaker 1>resources from the environment. We are better typers and texters

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<v Speaker 1>and talkers, and we're more socially sensitive. So as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>in the last few decades, women have been surging ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>not only in education but also economically. For every two

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<v Speaker 1>men that graduate college, there are three women. We passed

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<v Speaker 1>a milestone a few years ago where women actually make

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<v Speaker 1>up the majority of the workforce. I think we're at

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty five percent stay at home dads now. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean like the gender roles are changing now. Having said that,

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<v Speaker 1>women still have inside their crazy little patriarchy heads leftover

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<v Speaker 1>remnants of what was before, so they think sometimes in

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<v Speaker 1>traditional gender roles. And there's actually been research to show

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<v Speaker 1>that the more education a woman has, the more money

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<v Speaker 1>she makes, the more she wants a dude to have

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<v Speaker 1>even more. She's going to be attracted to that prince

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<v Speaker 1>in the castle who has a bigger paycheck and more

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<v Speaker 1>education and a little bit older.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a sociologist in Scotland, Fiona Something, and her

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<v Speaker 1>study is called the George Clooney effect, right, that they

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<v Speaker 1>don't want this big star of a guy. So what

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<v Speaker 1>ends up happening in the mating marketplace is you get

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<v Speaker 1>a group of guys, the you know, the alpha males

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, at the top, who are not about

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<v Speaker 1>to settle down anytime soon. They don't have a fertility window.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys right, So they're enjoying riding the wave of

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<v Speaker 1>all the free sects that's available. Because when women rise

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<v Speaker 1>in economic power, they put sex out into the economy

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<v Speaker 1>in a high supply. They no longer need to withhold

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<v Speaker 1>sex or stop enjoying their body in order to get

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<v Speaker 1>a guy to marry them, or rented by the hour

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<v Speaker 1>or what have you. So instead they just enjoy the

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<v Speaker 1>pleasures of their body and they put it out there. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>once it's out there, the guys at the top who

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<v Speaker 1>can get a lot of it are happy to just

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<v Speaker 1>take it and not settle down. And meanwhile, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>their peer women of around the same age, in their

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<v Speaker 1>early to mid thirties with all their education, thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>those are the dudes who should marry them. Meanwhile, you

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<v Speaker 1>got the in cells at one end who can't find

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<v Speaker 1>a date because they don't have a job and they're

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<v Speaker 1>living in their mom's basement. And then you have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of hard working, good guys who would be wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>partners for a woman. They might not make as much

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<v Speaker 1>money as her, they might have learned that the old

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<v Speaker 1>fashioned gender roles were all so unfair to men, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're happy to do some laundry and help out in childcare.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been saying to women for a long time that

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<v Speaker 1>your idea of a power guy might just be a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who can power a stroller. We need to get

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<v Speaker 1>patriarchy out of our heads. We need to recognize that biologically,

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot has changed. I know women are using technology,

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<v Speaker 1>freezing their eggs, all that stuff, right, but we need

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<v Speaker 1>to stop and say what do I value? What kind

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<v Speaker 1>of relationship does my heart need? Not what we need

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<v Speaker 1>on paper, etc. When I talk about the science of love,

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<v Speaker 1>I talk about the biological realities our own attachment style,

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<v Speaker 1>are fertility windows or not? I talk about the sociological piece.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what our society says is right for us?

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<v Speaker 1>Who looks good on paper in a dating app and

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<v Speaker 1>psychologe what love is and what it feels like. It

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<v Speaker 1>is complicated, and it is so fascinating to me. I

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<v Speaker 1>will continue to talk about the science of love as

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<v Speaker 1>long as I'm on this planet, because nothing interests me more.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there any little bit of advice I could tell

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<v Speaker 1>you women who are in your early to mid thirties

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<v Speaker 1>and are chasing after all those alpha guys who aren't

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<v Speaker 1>ready to make a commitment. Look to your right and left.

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<v Speaker 1>There are lots of peer men. They're at your workplaces,

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<v Speaker 1>they're everywhere. They may not make as much money, but

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<v Speaker 1>they are really really good guys, and they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>enhance your life in a big way. And that that

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<v Speaker 1>little soapbox I got up on brings the Doctor Wendy

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Show to a close. I am here every Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>from seven to nine pm for you. It is always

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<v Speaker 1>my pleasure to weigh in on your love lives. You've

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<v Speaker 1>been listening The Doctor Wendywall Show on KFI AM six

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<v Speaker 1>forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You've been listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Doctor Wendy Walsh. You can always hear us live

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<v Speaker 1>on KFI A M six forty from seven to nine

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