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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for joining us for another special midweek episode of

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the show. I really appreciate you being here. If you

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think back on your childhood, all of us have things

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that we point to is pretty much being the most

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frightening thing that's ever happened to us. But when you

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think about it, in most cases it wasn't all that frightening.

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Of course, back then, it was because you were a kid,

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so naturally what was frightening back then could very easily

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be dismissed. Is not all that big of a thing

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when you grow up. But tonight's guest had an experience, unfortunately,

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when he was thirteen, that you can't dismiss that way.

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It was frightening, no matter what, no matter, no matter

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how you try to classify it. Well, without any further ado,

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let's bring him in here now so we can talk

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about that. Tonight's guest is Austin Moore. Austin, Welcome to

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the show.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Vic, thanks for having me man, it's an honor

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being here.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's an honor to have you. Thank you for

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your time.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yes, sir Austin.

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Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: My name is Austin Moore. I'm it's thirty one years old.

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Originally born in Charlotte, North Carolina. Moved to Tennessee when

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I was a teenager. I make music. I have a

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ten year old son, and and you know, I'm super blessed.

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Speaker 2: That you are. It's good you realize that. Why did

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you make that move though, to Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: My parents ended up separating, so you know, it was

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a quick shift, a quick decision my mom made at

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the time. So she packed up me and my brother

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and we went to Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Ah, I see. Was there much in the way of

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culture shock or did you hit the ground running?

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Speaker 1: It was. It was a little bit of a culture shock,

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just because coming from more of an urban place out

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of Charlotte and to Tennessee was it was a little different,

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but we got adjusted to it.

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Speaker 2: Well that's good, that's really good. Austin. You were in

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the eighth grade when you had your encounter. Can you

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think of any lasting effects that you're experiencing to this

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day due to what happened to you that night, not.

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Speaker 1: Really just the more fact of the unknown, the fast

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nation of of knowing why and and uh, you know

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maybe how these things experienced, so more or less that

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that's probably that's probably it.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's good. Yeah, it didn't take me long when

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we spoke the other day for the first time to

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understand that you're obviously a well adjusted man now and

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there might have been some hang ups you suffered from,

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but they're not evident. So as long as we can

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say that, that's a great thing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, Yes, sir, it definitely is.

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Speaker 2: Your encounter happened near Gatlinburg, Tennessee. How far into the

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country was the place where it actually happened.

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Speaker 1: So I was in the survieval area, and I don't

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know if those have ventured off the Pigeon Forge or

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Severe County, but there's a there's a place kind of

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near it's a market square area and it's not too

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deep into the country, but you know, it's outside of

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the same city limits. And that's where I was at

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my friend's house.

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Speaker 2: So speaking of your friend, you had him with you

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at the time. What can you tell us about him.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Man Wade. I mean, as I told you the

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day before when we were on the phone, he passed

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a couple of years ago, but he's he was such

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a bright kid, very smart. You know, he was full

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blooded Native American and just a good childhood friend, somebody

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who would have your back.

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Speaker 2: He does sound like a great friend. I'm wondering though,

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was he the one that was getting you into trouble

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back then or vice versa.

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Speaker 1: You know, we were probably both class clowns. We were

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an equal balance to each other.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, that's good then. Yeah, it sounds like you

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guys are a good match. Now when I listen, do

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you talk about how that encounter played out? I was

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going to ask you about this, but I decided to

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just wait until tonight, which one of you was more

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traumatized by the experience Without revealing any details of the encounter.

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to say he was, and we'll

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leave it at that. You know, I'll explain why I

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think that throughout the story. But I think he was

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more or less more shocked than I was, you know, So.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why when you talked about the

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details of how everything played out, that does make sense,

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sensitive than he was to a certain point, then you

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might have been the one who was more traumatized by it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, it could have easily been that way.

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Speaker 2: I just absolutely hate the idea that that happened to you.

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I mean, look at how young you were and having

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experience like that where you two were convinced that you

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were literally running for your lives from a werewolf. That's

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just horrible. Mm hm, Yes, that's not good at all,

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as the title suggests, speaking of that when you're chased

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by that quote unquote we're a wolf that night. Did

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you ever try rebuking it?

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Speaker 1: No? But as I told you, I've always been a

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spiritual person. I don't think I've found the need really

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to rebuke it. I was just more questioning on why

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these things happened, you know. So No, I don't think

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we were we rebuked it at all.

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Speaker 2: So, and you can't be faulted for that. You're doing

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good to know your own names. You guys are so

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freaked out understandably so that Yeah, like I said, you

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can't be faulted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did having that experience have an effect on your faith? Though?

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Speaker 1: It opened It opened me more up to the unknown

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or outside of the box and discouraged my faith to

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God or my spiritual belief. But it definitely opened my

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eyes to there's so much more in this world that

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you know, we have no idea what's going on out here, and.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's a fact. You found that out firsthand.

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Do you think your faith might have played a factor

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and you having that experience in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely. I've always been in tune to a spiritual

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presence ever since I was a kid or you know,

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been an EmPATH, and I think it definitely had had

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a you know, cause and effect to what happened that night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not unusual have an experience like that. It's

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either going to draw you closer to God or further away.

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In most cases, the answer is it's going to draw

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you closer. But you never know. People respond differently to

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experiences like that, so you never do know. Do you

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think that find intervention is why you're here today though,

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or do you think that you're still here due to

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another reason?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I think it's all divine intervention. I don't believe

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in coincidence. I think we all have a special role

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in life. So yeah, I think it's all divine intervention.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I think we do all have a role.

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So we're on the same page there, all right, Austin,

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please tell us about this encounter. Now, give us a

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real last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: All right, you guys. So let's see, we were in

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eighth grade. You know, we were just being kids, and

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we're walking in the neighborhood. I'd say it's about two am,

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you know, at night. It's a clear summer night. You know,

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it's it's warm, and we're enjoying ourselves. And as we're

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walking back, you know, from from the end of the

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cul de Sac, and you know, we we we ventured

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throughout the whole neighborhood. And that neighborhood is pretty big

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it self, you know, it's it's not a small area,

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you know. And mind you, as we're coming back, there's

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there's this, uh, there's this hill that that we came upon.

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at the star and I felt in tuned to this

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the star. It was a bright illuminates star in the sky,

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you know, and it was it was radiating all these

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like different colors from the star. Itself, and so I

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felt like it was calling me. And as as we're

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sitting here, you know, I have my buddy Wade with me.

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He's goofing off and he's being himself and me as

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spiritual as I am and being an impath, you know,

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I'm I'm just staring at the start the whole time

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because I'm so focused on what I'm feeling from from

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this star. And uh, I look at him and I say, Wade,

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we have to go. We have to go into these woods,

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you know. And he's like, what you know, You're crazy.

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We can't go in these woods. Uh. And mind you

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were up on top of the hill, you know, as

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this is, this conversation is happening. And as I start

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walking down the hill into the field, there's this there's

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this huge field. I mean, it's it's almost like an

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acre of land, you know, as far as you know, widthwise,

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and there's just a bunch of woods that surround, you know,

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the very back of it and wraps around. So as

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into the woods or go towards the woods, because I

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feel called to the stars. I feel like the star

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is calling me to walk into the woods for whatever reason,

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and I had no fear. I had no fear based

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on that. I was driven off faith, just off that feeling.

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who he was, I think he was more concerned about

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why why am I doing this? But he followed me anyways,

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and we get about maybe not even one hundred yards

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away from the woods, and and next thing, you know,

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this this big seven foot eight foot tall wolf man

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dog man approaches up out of the woods. And it

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was it was shocking, to say the least. He was very,

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very tall. It was almost like a grayish white, blackish coat,

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you know, his his hind hind legs was massive. And

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as now, mind you, as this happened, guys, whoever's listening,

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as this happened, we're we're shocked. I mean, as soon

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as this thing comes out of the woods, are our

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eyes and our whole body froze. But it was like

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something happens or you're like a deer caught in the

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headlights and and we we really had no time to

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higher up to this point. You know, as I as

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I stated before, I'm following my my intuition because I

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felt a calling to the start and whatever reason it

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was for for this dog man to come out of

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the woods, I felt like it had interference towards that.

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we're stuck, froze solid, uh, we buck it. We have

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we have no no desire to turn back, and we

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didn't rebuke it. We were literally scared for our lives.

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We thought this thing was going to rip our head off.

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I mean when when you would have saw this thing

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it was it was a little legit eight foot tall,

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you know, it's its head looked like a dog, you know.

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like you caught the description. But we were so scared

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we jetted and as we're running up this hill, and

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hundred year I mean, we're we're near the woods at

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this moment, so me we got a ways to run.

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and so as we're booking it, we're hauling. We we

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know this thing's chasing us, because as soon as we

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the shock of seeing this this monster coming out of

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the woods, you know, we felt the presence of it

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running because there we knew that was the only way

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we knew that was that was the only thing happening,

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you know, that that was really so as we're as

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we're running, my friend gets tripped up, you know, he

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I hear him thump. I'm booking it. I'm already up

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on top of the hill. And as I get to

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the top of the hill, I witness him turn around,

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and turned around, he there was no dog man, you know,

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And I looked at him, and I looked down to

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the horizon of the field. It was almost like the

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dog man vanished, like it went through a portal, almost

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to say, you know, there was just no trace. And

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if you were to explain to somebody at that moment

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how quick everything happened, they wouldn't have believed you. Because

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when I tell you, it went from zero to one hundred.

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From the time he chased us up to the hill.

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There was no trace. And as this as this happened,

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we're so I don't even think and fear. Fear was

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really the cause of our emotion. We were more or

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less shocked of everything that happened, because the sequence of

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me being you know, spiritual and following the star and

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feeling called to approach the woods was already, you know,

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a risk in itself. And right after the moment of

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us approaching these woods, you know, you have this this

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monster that approaches and comes out and chases you. And

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I think we were just more or less shocked instead

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of scared. And as as it happened, we're up on

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the hill, we noticed the thing completely disappeared. That's when

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my buddy Wade said he felt like something grabbed his

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foot and tripped him, you know, And I thought, I

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figured he just tripped, you know, And I completely, completely,

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you know, believed him at that time because what we've

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seen and what we were running from. My only question is,

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or my only mindset was why did it not harm

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us them? Why did it not eat us? Because and

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I'm sure he was thinking the same way. And mind you,

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when I got to the top of the hill and

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we ran away from this thing, as I'm looking down

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and I see way turn around, he looks back up

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at me and his eyes are as wide as quarters,

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you know, and and it's just like pan He's like,

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and you can imagine we're literally running for our life.

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So we're out of breath, and I remember vividly as yesterday,

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he's just like panning and has his eyes wide open.

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I'm panning, and we're just shell shocked, and we're running

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off adrenaline. And finally we end up going back to

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his house and uh, just really we couldn't really fathom

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on what we saw. So it was kind of really

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like a moment of clarity for us. But we never

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really openly discussed about it towards really anybody, you know,

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after the fact that happened. I think there was only

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about maybe one or two people I've told throughout my life,

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and that was my adulthood. And I don't don't know

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if he has told anybody himself other than other than me.

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And I think when it comes to to me being

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a spiritual person, like I said earlier and before the story,

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I think it was really I think it really had

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to play an effect of not not wanting us to

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go into the woods, you know. And then I asked

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the question if if I would have gotten into these woods,

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if if I would have you know, stood on faith

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or was firm, what what would have happened if I

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got into the woods, And you know, I'm getting this

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calling from this star quote unquote, what if something would

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have happened then, you know, other than a dog man

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approaching us and scaring us away. And we never we

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never went back after that. We never walked back. We

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never went back to that field. But it was a

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memory that that that never left our our minds, and

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it was a very crucial moment, you know. And until

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this day, I still think about it every once in

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a while. Uh, And it really fascinates the idea of

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knowing why and how it happened, as I, as I

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said earlier, and that's that's really the biggest part, you know.

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And I was reading other stories about people having other encounters,

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you know, and I was trying to get similarities off

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maybe description of the same thing that we saw. And

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there was a lot of the descriptions that that kind

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of you know, resembled off the one that we saw,

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but I'd say the one we saw was more of

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like silver, you know, it had it had gray white

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silver hair. And the more that I think about it,

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the whole field was illuminated by It was a clear sky.

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You know, I'm already following the stars, so the whole

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the whole field is illuminated by the moon. So I'm

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pretty sure it was a full moon that night, and

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we were just being kids, you know, got scared for

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our lives. It was definitely an experience that that you'll

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never forget.

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Speaker 2: Paul, that's a given right there. Yeah, guaranteed you didn't

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give too many details regarding how that dog me it looked.

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So now I'm going to ask you if there's anything

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else you can recall about its appearance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, so it was very very big and muscular.

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His claws had about it had about maybe five inch

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claws at the time. Uh, you couldn't even really see

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his face. You've seen that had the outer look of

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it being a dog, and it growled at us. I

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think that's what really scared us out of the most,

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is you know, And I'm glad you said that because

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I don't even think I've told you this yesterday. But

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as it came out of the woods, it made this

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you know, growling noise, you know, it made this defensive noise.

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And uh, this thing, this thing was your your typical

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average you know, almost looking this werewolf looking creature. Its

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hind legs were massive. It almost looked very muscular, you know,

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but not not so defined where you can see its muscles.

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You've only seen more or less how built and how

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tall he was. And yeah, that that's that's really the description,

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you know, the only description I have of him, because,

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like I said, we we booked it right after it happened,

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and we were running for our lives. There was not

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a moment well, I know, for effect, whenever we seen

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that that creature, we we thought we were going to die,

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you know, And I think that was I think that

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was the biggest blessing for us at that moment when

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we're on top of the hill realizing that, oh my gosh,

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we're still alive. Because as we look back and he

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was gone. I think that's another reason why we were

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such in shock, because we were still we're like, oh

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my gosh, that that thing didn't eat us, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure you had so many thoughts going

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through your heads at the time. You were having a

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hard time knowing which way was up and understandably, so, yes,

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what do you think it would have done though? If

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the two of you wouldn't have boarded?

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Speaker 1: You know that that is a good question. That's a

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question that I, you know, try to try to understand

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or maybe question myself today. I'm not real sure. I

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want to say that it probably would have scared us

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off either way, just because you know, I feel as

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if it didn't want us going into the woods itself.

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But also I also ask, you know, what, what if

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what if we want to run? Like you? Like you said,

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what if we would have just stayed?

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Speaker 2: I've got ideas about how it would have responded. It

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probably would have just come up to you and tried

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to intimidate you and frighten you. But it's hard to say.

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You never know, it's really hard to know. Hello, Oh yeah,

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I can hear you? Can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, I don't I think I lost you?

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Speaker 2: Victor, I can hear you. Can you hear me? That's

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not good? How about now? Can you hear me? Hmm?

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Speaker 1: Hang on?

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Speaker 2: Everyone. I'm gonna try sending Austin a text here to

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get this resolved. I'll be right back, all right, everyone,

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I just asked him to leave the studio and come

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back in, so he should pop back in any second now.

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In the meantime or waiting for him to come back,

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I could always sing a song. We just need to

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decide what song I should sing. Let's check out the

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line chat for any suggestions. Uh, too late, he's back.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, Sorry about that, guys, I lost wi fi.

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It's actually raining over here my way, Paul.

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Speaker 2: That's not your fault. Things happen, no problem, So I'm sorry.

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Go ahead, Oh no, after you well.

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Speaker 1: As I was saying, though, I think I think I

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was at the just the moment of if if we

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would have stayed and not ran away, I don't think,

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you know, I think it was in such defensive mode.

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We we don't know if it would have ate us

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or not. We don't know what would have happened. And

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then then I asked the question, you know, is it

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possible if I could have just walked in the woods,

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you know, and and not been so fearful of of

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the creature itself, but off instinct seeing it and and

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knowing how phenomenal it was, we were automatically just scared.

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So I don't even think we had that question.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, lost him again. Hopefully it's not going to

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be too long for her. Realizes that he dropped out,

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and he clicks back in. I'll keep an eye out

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for him. Let's see, now, what was I talking about

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before he came back into the studio here? I think

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I asked you guys to do something? What was that?

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Let's see. No, I didn't ask if you wanted me

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to dance? What was it? Oh? Well, maybe i'll remember

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it here shortly? Oh yeah, like Diane says, she wants

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she's reminding me. I said I was gonna sing. Well,

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we haven't picked a song yet. What song? Fiver Geek says,

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my Bigfoot Encounter song. I don't sing that song. That's

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Nathan Brumley. And you wouldn't believe how many times I

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get messages from people, Hey, Vick, what's the name of

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that song in the intro and the outro for your

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Bigfoot show My Bigfoot Sighting, And I put the name

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the artist in the name of the song right there

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in the description for the show. I'm thinking, oh man,

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that's right there. Christine the Easterday wants me to sing

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Country Road. I like John Denver, but yeah, me singing

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that song wouldn't be pretty. Another vote for Country Road.

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Hopefully Austin's going to click back in here soon. Nothing

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like live talk radio. Huh. Send him a text message

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and see where he's at. I'll be right back, all right, guys,

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I just sent him another text message. So what we're

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gonna do is, while we're waiting for him to come

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back in, we're gonna do a little dog Man Q

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and A. Since you guys can't decide which song you

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want me to sing, so please post any questions that

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you have for me about dog Men, any general questions period,

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and we'll just get into that while waiting for him

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to come back. He must be having one heck of

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a storm to have all these problems. All right, Let's

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see who's got the first question for me? Still no question? Okay,

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Dylan found one Xbox wants to know how old I am.

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That's funny. Let's see here. Yeah, there's Dylan's question. He

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wants to know as Dogmen a werewolf. Well, it's possible.

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Anything in this crazy world is possible. If a sub

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atomic particle called a work can wink in and out

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of existence, which they can, anything is possible. So I'm

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not going to shoot it down and say it's not possible.

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I will tell you that when doctors are in when

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they're pre med and learning how to become doctors, one

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of the things that they're trained when they're learning how

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to diagnose illnesses is that basically Ocome's razor. I you

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hear hoofs clicking on the floor behind you, think horse,

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not zebra. In other words, it could be a zebra

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that you hear, but horses are so much more common,

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so it's a lot more likely to be a horse

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than it is to be a zebra. And the same

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thing holds true here are dog men, creatures or beings

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that look the way they do twenty four seven three

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sixty five. Or are we dealing with people who somehow

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have the ability to shape shift using magic from the

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form of a human to that of a beast, a

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beast that can have three, four or five six times

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as much mass as the human they transformed from. Well, somehow,

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some way, maybe that's possible, But that's much harder to

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swallow than it just being a being or a creature

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that looks that way twenty four to seven, three sixty five,

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liz em says, Vick is thirty. You're too kind. Let's see.

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The next question I'm going to pop up is from Josh,

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and he wants to know where the dogmen found in

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the US. I've heard northern Michigan is rife with them. Well,

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you'd be surprised. I don't get all that many encounters

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coming in from Michigan compared to other places. Yeah, they

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do come in from Michigan, but there are other places

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that more encounters come from. Right now, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, Ohio,

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New York seems like they have quite a few more

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encounters coming in than Michigan now. So well, Also, to

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answer your question, these guys are all over. I mean

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they're literally all over. In fact, there was a guy

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about seventy years ago from Rhode Island. I never will

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forget it. He contacted me to basically thumb his nose.

471
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He said something along the lines of, Haha, I don't

472
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,119
have to worry about any dogman encounters here. I live

473
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,200
in Rhode Island. So I thought about it, and I thought, hmm,

474
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,440
should I or shouldn't I let him know that there's

475
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,319
a dog man that's been seen so many times in

476
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,640
Rhode Island. The locals have a nickname for it. Well,

477
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:40,799
of course, it being me, I decided to send them

478
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,480
a link to that article. But yeah, sure, he got

479
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:47,240
to kick out of that. The next question I'm going

480
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:51,599
to address is from Liz M. Liz wants to know

481
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:55,000
do you think they use portals or dimension shifts? Well,

482
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,000
I've spoken with my fair share of credible eyewitnesses who've

483
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,440
reported seeing things like that, so I'm definitely open to it.

484
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,960
It's definitely possible. The next one I'm gonna ask or

485
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:11,079
address is from Alex Midnight, and he wants to know, say,

486
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:16,599
if one kills the dog man, can you eat them? Yeah?

487
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,440
I don't even know what to say about that. Let's

488
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:28,319
find another question. Let's see Baby wants to know our

489
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,640
dog been natural or supernatural. That's a good question. That's

490
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,200
a million dollar question right there. When you do what

491
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,000
I do for as long as I've done it, and

492
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,359
you're exposed as many eyewitnesses as I am and have been,

493
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,920
you talk with so many credible eyewitnesses who report experiencing

494
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,319
things from these guys that point soundly towards them being

495
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,000
just flesh and blood creatures with no special abilities. And

496
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:56,559
you go for a stretch where you notice a trend

497
00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:00,000
that way, and then before you know it, another direct

498
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,000
another group of eyewitnesses comes by and they tell you

499
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:08,360
about all these experiences they've had. Where when they tell

500
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,280
you about the things they've experienced and witness these guys do,

501
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:16,079
it points soundly towards them being supernatural beings. So I

502
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:21,039
really can't tell you. Maybe some dog men a certain

503
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:26,039
percentage are flesh and blood creatures while others are ethereal beings.

504
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,679
I don't know. I really can't answer that question for you.

505
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,960
Let's find another good question. There is one up above.

506
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,239
I need to scroll back up here and find whether

507
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:47,039
chat's just rolling or was that question? It's not that one. Okay,

508
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:50,679
there's a juicy one right there. Rob Mack wants to know,

509
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,159
why do you think the government keeps it a secret

510
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,079
that dogmen exists? Well, that's easy right there. Think about

511
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:01,920
how poorly we dealt with COVID people panicked. We didn't

512
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,719
handle that well at all. Now imagine what the fallout

513
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,880
would be from the government coming out and officially acknowledging

514
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,320
the fact that, guess what, people in the woods that's

515
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,119
closest to you, you just might have creatures out there

516
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,960
that look like giant werewolves. Just imagine how that would

517
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,480
go over in our day to day lives. We rely

518
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:27,960
on so many things that are harvested from the forest,

519
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,199
from the lumber we use in our homes and buildings,

520
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,760
and for paper, and all the medicines that are derived

521
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,119
from plants, and all sorts of other things. If all

522
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,280
of a sudden it was let out of the bag

523
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,599
that guess what, you might have something that looks like

524
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:49,039
a giant were wolf or wear wolves plural in your

525
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,400
local forest. Who's going to want to go into that forest.

526
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,199
Who's going to want to run a noisy chainsaw at

527
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,960
ten twelve hours out of the day, out of the workday,

528
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,840
when they can't hear anything behind them, they can't see

529
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,239
anything behind them. Who's going to want to do that?

530
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,800
Almost overnight, the lumber industry would falter, and along with

531
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,199
it would go our whole economy, the world's economy. So

532
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,119
the government's smart to not let this secret out of

533
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:18,639
the bag. It's a dichotomy, though, because on one hand,

534
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,360
I can appreciate the fact that they want to keep

535
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,320
our economy and our way of life going by keeping

536
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,079
this under wraps. On the other hand, you've got so

537
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:31,639
many dogmen eyewitnesses who have these encounters. They can't come

538
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:35,480
out and get help from their families and significant others

539
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:40,159
because they know they're going to be teased and derided.

540
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:45,519
So it's really a mixed bag on that. On one hand,

541
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,039
I'm glad the government doesn't let it out to the bag.

542
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:50,960
On the other hand, I hate the idea that they don't.

543
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:58,719
Hope that answers your question there, Let's look for another question.

544
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:03,440
Here's a tough one here from Ruth G. She wants

545
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:07,920
to know how's your night going. Vic's going great, Thanks

546
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,760
for asking. I hope yours is going even better. The

547
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,360
next one is from Scott Baker, and Scott wants to

548
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,280
know what's the fastest dog man can run. Well, they

549
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,599
can run faster on all fours than they can on

550
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:22,639
two legs. All we can do is just guess how

551
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:26,239
fast they can actually top out at bipdal lee or

552
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,320
quadrupedal lee. But I've had some credible eyewitnesses reports seeing

553
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,199
them run forty five ish or so on two legs,

554
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,320
maybe tickling fifty and then on all fours over sixty,

555
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:41,599
But we don't know what the limits of their abilities are.

556
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:44,079
Maybe they can top out it's seventy or so on

557
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:48,960
all fours, so it's really hard to say. This next

558
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,280
one is from Earth Angel and she wants to know

559
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,760
what the earliest year of a dog man account was. Well,

560
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,559
in eighteen eighty seven in Wexford County, Michigan. That was

561
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:01,880
the earliest documented dog me an encounter that's ever been reported,

562
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:11,119
So they go way back. Let's find another one. A

563
00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:14,280
lot of these aren't in all caps, so they're hard

564
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:20,280
to find. Here's one from Wandering Bowl three six y nine,

565
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,159
and it reads do you think they use trees as

566
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:27,119
portals to manifest and leave the realm? Well, it's possible.

567
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,639
I don't know. All I can do is guess on that,

568
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:39,840
but like everything else, it's possible. Let's find another one.

569
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:52,320
Let's see scroll down here a bit. This one is

570
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,880
from Marvin Johnson. Out of all the cryptids around the

571
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,760
world that people hear about, which ones do you believe

572
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:04,199
are real? Besides bigfoot in dog men, crawlers, skinwalkers, mothman,

573
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:10,039
et cetera. Well, I believe in the existence of rakes.

574
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,920
I believe in the existence of skin walkers, although I

575
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,679
don't think that's considered as a cryptid. Then Mothman. I

576
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,280
believe in Mothman as well. I can't really think of

577
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,800
a cryptid that I've heard about that I don't believe in.

578
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,280
I know sheep Squatch is pretty hard to believe in

579
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,239
bad Squatch as well, But if a lot of these

580
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,519
other cryptids are out there, then who's to say those

581
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:41,119
guys aren't. I hope that answers your question there. The

582
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:43,519
next one I'm going to answer is from Earth Angel,

583
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,280
and she wants to know do you ever hear from

584
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:51,559
Brandon talking about Brandon close? That was episode one Angel.

585
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,960
I hope that answers your question there, and no after

586
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,519
well was what episode two o seven aired. I lost

587
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,719
contact with Brandon. I did see Brandon leaving a comment

588
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,360
to one of the episodes about maybe six months ago.

589
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,880
That was a rude comment, so I bannd his butt.

590
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:17,320
But yeah, back when two thousand and seven aired, I

591
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,360
tried to reach out to him, but like I said,

592
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,239
never did hear back from him. Let's find another one.

593
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,119
And always cracks me up when people come on the

594
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:29,239
show as guests, and then down the road you hear

595
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,280
them making nasty comments or see them making nasty comments

596
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,119
about other eyewitnesses. Give me a break, get out of here.

597
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:44,599
Got no time for that crap. Let's see, especially when

598
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:46,880
you consider I protected them to the best of my

599
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,320
ability to make sure that they didn't get any nasty

600
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:55,320
blowback from people that listen to their episodes. And then

601
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,360
let's see. You know that's not a question. If you

602
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,519
have a question, please remember to type it in all

603
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:06,119
caps so I don't miss it. Wow, this makes me

604
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:09,199
feel old, Ruth G says, I've been listening to you

605
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,519
since I was eleven years old. Now I'm eighteen. That

606
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,679
makes me feel good. But I'm glad you've been listening

607
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:24,039
so long. Thanks so much for listening, Ruth, I appreciate It.

608
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,039
Looks like Liz wants to know do you have a

609
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:29,960
map making marks? Where are where are the sightings? Well,

610
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,719
I think she means where the sightings have happened and

611
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,760
is there a pattern? Well, if you go to Dogmancounters

612
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,920
dot com and visit the about Dogmen page, you'll see

613
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,519
that there's a link to a map like that. And

614
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,000
I forgot the lady's name Anna, I believe is her name.

615
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:51,519
She tracks things like where dogman encounters happen, and she's

616
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:55,000
got this virtual map with pins in it, like you're

617
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,360
asking about. But I don't set time aside to do

618
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,320
anything like that. No, I don't follow. I don't worry

619
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,800
about patterns where dogman thecounters happen. I just focus on

620
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,320
trying to help the eyewitnesses come to terms with their experiences.

621
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,840
Let's see for this. Next question is from Alex Midnight.

622
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,800
He wants to know government experienced experience. I'm sorry, experiments

623
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,639
gone wrong? Question mark. It's possible. It is possible, but

624
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,840
here's a problem with that. Some dog men could be

625
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:36,360
created in test tubes government laboratory test tubes, but that

626
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,440
wouldn't explain away all of the existence of dog men, because,

627
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:43,719
like I just mentioned a bit ago, there is a

628
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,119
documented sighting back in eighteen eighty seven in Wexford County, Michigan.

629
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:51,199
We didn't have anything approaching the technology to make a

630
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,239
test tube dogmion back then. So if there are a

631
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,599
test tub dogmen now present day, sum are test tube dogmen.

632
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:03,480
While a certain part of the population is naturally occurring

633
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:12,440
something to think about. Next question is from Jamie Hect

634
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,519
and Jamie wants to know what color eyes do dogmen

635
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:18,920
usually have? Well, most dog men that are reported to

636
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,719
me have amber eyes. Then that's followed up by red eyes,

637
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,880
and then some have blue eyes. A very small percentage

638
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,360
of the dog men that people tell me about seeing

639
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,760
have blue eyes and some have greenish eyes. So I

640
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,559
hope that clears that up for you. And then William

641
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,159
Vertees ver Trees wants to know how do I contact

642
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,840
you to tell my tail? Well, I hope it's an

643
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,840
actual experience, not a tail, but if you want to

644
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,639
contact me about it, then please go to dogman encounters

645
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,800
dot com submit a report. If you do that, then

646
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,239
William that I'll contact you and schedule a phone consultation

647
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,360
so we can have a good talk about it. The

648
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:06,360
next question is from Robert Wolf. Hey, Vic, would you

649
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,199
ever do eyewitness encounters with nooms, little people, elves, et cetera. No,

650
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,159
I don't have any plans for doing that. I don't.

651
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:19,840
They're interesting topics, but that's not my bag. Baby. Let's

652
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:28,639
see the next one is from Fred Caserta, and Fred

653
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,840
wants to know what the largest group of people to

654
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,800
witness in a dog man all at once was I

655
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,639
can't really recall. I can't remember. That's a good question.

656
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:47,960
Maybe three four people, maybe five, but I can't really recall.

657
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:52,760
All right, it looks like we've got Austin back. Thanks

658
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,760
again for coming back.

659
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem, Thanks for having me Vic, And I'm

660
00:44:56,599 --> 00:45:00,000
sorry about that. My phone died and I lost signals.

661
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: Well and that one there, Well, we're glad to have

662
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,199
you back. Like I said, let's see where were.

663
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: We I believe we were. We were talking about the

664
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,599
emotion we had once we ran into the uh the

665
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:21,199
dog man in the description I was given again, like

666
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,199
I said, he he was like seven foot eight foot tall,

667
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:31,679
very muscular, had a white silver maybe brownish blackish hair. Again,

668
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,840
it was it was nighttime, so you see more of

669
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,800
the It's almost like a gray coat more than anything

670
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,280
you've seen. How how long and how you know, lanky?

671
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:48,079
His his legs and his arms were and as I

672
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:50,480
was saying, whenever he popped out of the woods, he

673
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,360
he almost made this this scaring tactic of like a growl.

674
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:56,119
Speaker 2: You know.

675
00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:02,559
Speaker 1: Now, mind you here, here's a good question. Here, here's

676
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,920
a good theory. I think this thing was watching us

677
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,800
from the time I was up on the hill and

678
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,519
I was feeling the intuition and the emotion of following

679
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:14,239
the star before we entered the field and getting close

680
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:21,239
to the woods. And I say this because you you,

681
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,679
you felt like nothing was surrounding you and you didn't

682
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,280
have no awhereabouts of this thing near It didn't how beforehand,

683
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,360
you know, everything was peaceful, everything was quiet, and the

684
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,559
next thing, you know, this thing just pops out like

685
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:42,239
in an instant. So it almost makes me curious, almost

686
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,559
makes me feel like it was watching us at the

687
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:53,639
time of you know, before it all happened. I've never

688
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,960
ran into an issue of having or seeing the dog

689
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:01,920
man since this time. You know, this was a once

690
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,519
in a time phenomenal sight for me and my friend. Uh.

691
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,079
And that's I think that's why the memory and the

692
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:11,119
longevity of the memory holds on so long, because how

693
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:14,079
phenomenal it was and how how scary it was at

694
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:18,039
the same time, you know, And you asked me, you

695
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:21,000
asked me before if if you know who was more

696
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:25,800
traumatized during during that moment. And I think off off

697
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,239
the way I was feeling in my motives of following

698
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,880
the star into the woods. I felt like, you know,

699
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:38,960
I was more firm. I would say I wasn't as

700
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:42,280
more I wasn't as fearful than I was shocked, and

701
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:44,760
I felt like my buddy was. I think we were

702
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,440
both scared. I think my buddy was just confused and

703
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,039
more scared at the time, just because of the sequence

704
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:54,639
of me saying, oh man, I feel connected to the

705
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,000
star and we're walking. You know, that's a mystery in itself.

706
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,559
And then next and you know, here comes this creature

707
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:06,920
out of the woods, and you know, I just like

708
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,599
I said earlier on the podcast that you remember his face.

709
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:13,239
His face was just like he's seen a ghost, you know,

710
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:19,320
and we basically did, except it was the Wolfman. And

711
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,519
I don't want to say it was like a demonic feeling,

712
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,039
you know, when you when you had when you see this,

713
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,199
when you seen this thing come out of the woods,

714
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,559
and and this peaceful mindset that I was feeling, because

715
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:36,960
I was that peaceful myself as I'm walking, you know,

716
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,239
I had no fear. You know, I'm like, oh man,

717
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,599
this the star is calling me into the woods. I'm

718
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,440
it's two am at night, you know, it's a it's

719
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,400
a summer night, and here, here we go, We're about

720
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,400
to walk in the woods. So that didn't scare us.

721
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,079
It was the fact that we seen the dog man

722
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:59,480
pop out, and you know it, I don't want to

723
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,519
say it had demonic felling to it, but I don't

724
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:06,679
want to necessarily said it had a good omen to

725
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,800
it as well. You know, I feel like it was

726
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:16,679
trying to protect something or keep us out of those woods,

727
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,760
whether you know it was it was driving us away

728
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,000
out of fear, or you know, it could have been

729
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:28,599
protecting itself. But it was very, very surprising and unknown.

730
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: Well I'm sure it was. How close did it seem

731
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:36,679
to get to you too? At its closest point.

732
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, So whenever we came down from the hill walking

733
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:42,880
into the field, like I said, we were about one

734
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:48,599
hundred yards away from the woods. And so as we're diagonal,

735
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:51,320
you know this, this is a wide open field and

736
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,360
we're walking diagonal towards the corner of the woods and

737
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:59,360
pops out. He pops out maybe in the middle, you know,

738
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,960
and we're maybe like fifty fifty yards away from this

739
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:07,639
thing or less. You know, So it was a very

740
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,000
vivid sight. But being being so young and being how

741
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,400
you know, how how long ago it was. If I

742
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,039
would elaborated on this story back then, I probably could

743
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:24,280
have gave you more of a detail. But the figure

744
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,800
and the shape and the emotion and seeing it in

745
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:33,639
general was It's a site that's still inside my mind,

746
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:39,400
you know, And we weren't that far from it at all.

747
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,679
I think that's I think that's what baffled us. You know, also,

748
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,960
is being so close to that thing. How did we

749
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,760
get away and why? You know, because it easily could

750
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,320
have could have just captured us and hawked us down,

751
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,760
you know. And I fully believe my buddy too, because

752
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,800
I was way past my buddy whenever we were running away.

753
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,920
You know, I'm a pretty fast guy. And like I said,

754
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,920
when he thumped and he said that he felt like

755
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,920
something grabbed his foot, I wholeheartedly believe him. And then again,

756
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,960
you know how that thing got away so fast because

757
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,760
by the time he thumped on the ground, we were

758
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,679
already halfway up the hill, and you know, before we

759
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,639
got to up the hill, you were on flat ground

760
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,599
running through the field. So it just it just makes

761
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:36,599
you think on that level, why it didn't harness.

762
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 2: You know something I want to make sure you never

763
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,079
forget about our first conversation is the fact that you

764
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:48,000
didn't get away that night. It allowed you to get away.

765
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,480
And like we also spoke about a length, when it

766
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,800
comes to coming to terms with a dog me encounter,

767
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,599
it's all in how you look at what happened. I mean,

768
00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:00,639
you can make this as easy on yourself to deal

769
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:05,480
with or is hard to deal with is possible. I

770
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:10,440
know this isn't a choice most eyewitnesses make. The subconscious

771
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,440
it plays a big part. It takes a while to

772
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,559
be able to look at your dog ma an encounter

773
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:19,039
with a level head, especially when they have a really

774
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:23,440
traumatic one. But the focus should be with eyewitnesses on

775
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,599
trying to look at their encounters accurately for what really happened,

776
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:32,400
and that right there, the whole we got away mentality.

777
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:35,480
That's something I see time after time and eyewitnesses that,

778
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,719
just like with you, I try to hammer home the

779
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:42,119
importance of realizing that no, you're allowed to get away.

780
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:45,159
It's the same thing if the Cowboys, if the Dallas

781
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,039
Cowboys played the best high school football team in the country,

782
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,679
if they played one hundred times, like we talked about

783
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,599
in our first conversation, the Cowboys are going to win

784
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,559
one hundred out of those hundred times. It doesn't matter

785
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,559
if the Cowboys are having a bad day, if they

786
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:02,880
play in the snowstorm, if they play in the heat wave.

787
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:07,920
The talent, the capabilities of the players on the Cowboys,

788
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,880
it is so much greater than the capabilities and talents

789
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,440
of that high school football team's players that there's never

790
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:17,960
going to be a time or a way that that

791
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:21,480
high school team could win because they were so outclassed.

792
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,199
Well with you two, you two were so outclassed that

793
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,119
day that it's the same thing if that dog wanted

794
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:31,480
to catch you, you two were got so, Yeah, try

795
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:34,000
not to lose sight of that, which it sounds like

796
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,639
you've been doing a really good job of keeping that

797
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:37,280
in mind.

798
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, absolutely thank you, And you know what,

799
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,559
you're absolutely right about that. And to question on that

800
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:48,599
you know it and allowed us to get away. You know,

801
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,920
I also think you know, could could have there have

802
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,679
been a divine intervention in that maybe you know, and

803
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,559
I'm not saying that, I'm not debunking off what you said.

804
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:06,880
You know, possibly is it possible that God or whatever

805
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:12,679
higher consciousness or being or thing could have subconsciously told

806
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:17,079
that creature, you know to stop, but who knows? Then

807
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,360
then you question that you know, but either either the

808
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,280
fact of the matter is, like you said, this thing

809
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,480
was way faster than this, way bigger, way stronger, and

810
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:30,159
had you know, vicious claws, vicious teeth, made a distinct growl,

811
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,960
you know, and there's just there's just, you know, no

812
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:39,119
way that it could have not hurt us orcaudus, you

813
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:43,039
know what I mean. And I think that's I think

814
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:46,320
that's a blessing in itself, you know. I think having

815
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,800
the experience and being able to see what we saw

816
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,559
that night, whether we got frightened, and whether it took

817
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:56,199
us away from not going into the woods and me

818
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:01,159
following that star, I find I find it to be

819
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:11,679
a blessing to experience something that night, and as phenomenal

820
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,719
as it was and as scary as it was, Uh,

821
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,079
it don't really bother me till today. Like I said,

822
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:21,960
I think it's just the fact of knowing and unknowing

823
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:26,280
why and you know, how how it happened, and especially

824
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,639
the sequence of us walking through the neighborhood, you know,

825
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,920
me finally looking up to this star and feeling high

826
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,039
in tuned and conscience and the next thing, you know,

827
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,920
we're we're taking a trip of faith into these woods

828
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:44,280
and and this creature just appears and and just chases

829
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:52,280
us away. You know, it's it's it's very it's interesting,

830
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:52,920
you know.

831
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting doesn't do it any credit. I agree. Did

832
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,960
it make a lot of noise when it was coming

833
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,000
after you two? Or was it pretty quiet?

834
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: And so I think that's what I was saying earlier.

835
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:13,880
It was very We didn't hear nothing, you know, when

836
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,400
we're walking in this field, Like I said, we were

837
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,559
at peace, or at least I was, you know, maybe

838
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:23,679
my friend was more already confused or thinking like why

839
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:29,079
the heck are we walking in these woods? But like

840
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,639
when it popped out, it had to have been not

841
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,679
even five or ten yards inside of the woods, because

842
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,079
it like it literally popped out, and you didn't hear

843
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:42,159
a thing. You didn't hear ruffles, you didn't hear like

844
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:44,440
it was running through the woods and then it popped out.

845
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:47,800
It was almost like it just popped out and it

846
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,239
just scared us off, and it chased us. And as

847
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,480
it chased us, you know, we thought like, oh, we're

848
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,440
done for and we get up there and we're shocked

849
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,039
that we're still alive, and that he's completely vanished or it,

850
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:01,920
whatever it was.

851
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 2: There are a lot of freaky things about dog men,

852
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,599
but one of the freakiest things is how quiet they

853
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:12,599
can be when they want to. It's just not fear.

854
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,000
It's not were either. You were weighed making any noises

855
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:17,760
as you're running.

856
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think we were screaming for our lives,

857
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,119
you know. You know what now that you now that

858
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:28,440
you've mentioned that, and that that memory comes back to

859
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:31,320
my mind as we're running and we're screaming because we're

860
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,360
kids and we just seen this terrifying thing. I think

861
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:38,440
and and like I said, this doesn't disrespect your theory

862
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,280
off of you know, it's it could have it could

863
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,519
have easily got us, because it could have. It definitely

864
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:48,320
allowed us to get away, But also think what if

865
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,920
it just got scared because we were in an open

866
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,800
field screaming for our lives and it didn't want to

867
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:59,679
be seen, you know, I think that. Uh so there's

868
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:04,480
so any you know, things you can you know, try

869
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,559
to comprehend about the situation. And I ended up telling

870
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:12,159
you that the other night or yesterday, and I tried

871
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:17,239
not to dewel so much on those things. And I

872
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,079
think that also is still what makes it so fascinating,

873
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,119
you know, I do know.

874
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:25,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of fascinating the aspects to

875
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:29,639
all this. There definitely are. If it did trip Wade,

876
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:31,320
why do you think it did that, if it didn't

877
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,239
want to hurt either of you two.

878
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,039
Speaker 1: That is a very good question. That's something I really

879
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:44,119
can't answer. Uh. Maybe it was a warning. Maybe it

880
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:49,800
was to let you know it was real. And like

881
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:55,480
I said, maybe maybe it Maybe there was a divine intervention,

882
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:57,920
Maybe there was something else looking out for us that night.

883
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,880
There's just no telling. But as he said that, and

884
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,960
you know it, I almost I remember when as soon

885
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,960
as it happened, and he when we turned back and

886
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,639
we realized it was gone, and he looked at me

887
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:16,599
with these bug eyes and said, you know, it felt

888
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:20,079
like something grabbed his foot. I almost didn't believe it

889
00:59:20,159 --> 00:59:23,079
would because we were so in shocked. We we just

890
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:26,360
could not fathom the fact that this huge creature popped

891
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,719
out of the woods, you know. And then after him

892
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,039
telling me that, you know, it felt like something grabbed him,

893
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:33,159
I'm just I'm just in complete shock, you know.

894
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: Uh So, yeah, yeah, I'm sure you were in complete shock.

895
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:46,400
That's understandable when way went down. How much distance did

896
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,559
you put between the two of you before he realized

897
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:49,199
he had fallen.

898
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: I want to say we were probably maybe ten feet

899
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:58,079
away maybe hmm, maybe even less, maybe ten or five

900
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:03,280
feet away. You know, he definitely wasn't as far as

901
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:08,360
me when I was ahead of him. Uh And yeah,

902
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,280
it is that that was interesting. That's actually a very

903
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,239
good question to to think about or really ask, because

904
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,800
I don't know why why would grab his foot and

905
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,519
then it and like I said, and that's see, this

906
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,960
is what's so crazy, Vic. You know, as we're running

907
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:28,719
up this hill and mind you, this field is I mean,

908
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,119
this field is like an acre of land, you know.

909
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,119
Uh so before we even get up to the hill,

910
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:36,760
back up to the street, before we followed the star,

911
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:42,880
you know, there's there's a ways to go. So why

912
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,079
why how could it just vanish out of thin air?

913
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:50,840
And you know, maybe it did hit a portal, maybe

914
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,239
it didn't. Maybe it's so fast it could just go

915
01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:01,320
like that, you know. But that's that question in itself.

916
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,280
When we were already up the hill and you have

917
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,559
all this other lands behind you, before the woods is

918
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:13,679
even at a stopping point. It's just fascinating how it

919
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,519
just you had no trace once you look back and

920
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:18,960
you just you didn't see a thing.

921
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: You know, you have a lot of aspects to what

922
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:26,960
happened that night that leave you scratching your head and

923
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,320
wondering what the world was that all about? Yeah, definitely,

924
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:35,079
are you disappointed by how you responded to it coming

925
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:35,960
after you that night?

926
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:45,239
Speaker 1: Not really, because I don't really have no regrets in

927
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:49,679
my life. I'm a firm believer on that. I think

928
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:54,119
that with I think what really just gets me is

929
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:59,280
what would have happened if we want to ran away?

930
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:02,079
What would have happened if we would have entered those

931
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,239
woods and I would have kept looking up at the

932
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,280
sky and following this star that I felt like it

933
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,480
was calling me inside minds wishing to my soul. You know,

934
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:16,639
it's almost just like a what if these things would

935
01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:19,039
occurred if we wann't a ran type deal. You know,

936
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:21,639
there's not really any regrets.

937
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: That's good because really it's no benefit to worrying about

938
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:30,880
should have, could have? Would have? You did the best

939
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,679
you could to deal with an extremely difficult traumatic experience,

940
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,840
and I think you deserve a lot of credit for

941
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,639
how you did. You did well.

942
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,119
Speaker 1: Thank you.

943
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. You told us about that light in

944
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:45,960
the sky that you saw. Can you remember if you

945
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:50,159
happen to hear any unusual ambient noises sounds before the

946
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:51,840
dog mean made its presence known.

947
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't really Like I said, it was a

948
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:01,880
peaceful setting. I didn't hear nothing but just you know, silence.

949
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,719
It was. It was more or less just me feeling

950
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:10,679
an emotion, you know when and I don't I don't

951
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:13,280
know if I want to say. It was the brightest

952
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,599
star in the sky, so it was definitely radiating, and

953
01:03:17,719 --> 01:03:20,599
you know, you just I just felt more. It was

954
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:23,039
more of an emotion, you know, a feeling.

955
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:24,039
Speaker 2: You know.

956
01:03:24,119 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: There wasn't really any sounds. It was a cool summer night,

957
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:33,440
clear sky, and it was just very peaceful before anything

958
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:36,840
got you know, disturbed and you know, disrupted out of

959
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:38,679
out of the dog man coming out of the woods.

960
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: Full disclosure. The reason why I asked you about that

961
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:46,440
is I was wondering if you heard any drumming or

962
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:49,320
droning or any sounds like that in the background.

963
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a no no, not that I can recall.

964
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:59,920
You know, there wasn't literally a plane in the sky.

965
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:03,440
There wasn't literally there. It was. It was a still,

966
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:04,280
calm night.

967
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 2: Until that dog man popped up.

968
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: Until that dog man popped up. And I mean and

969
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,920
as soon as he popped up, I mean it literally

970
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,559
it changed the whole vibe. It changed the whole mindset,

971
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:21,400
It changed the whole you know, me going into the woods.

972
01:04:21,639 --> 01:04:26,119
It literally blockade every every emotion and everything that was

973
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:28,679
happening that night, you know what I mean. It was

974
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:32,400
just a whole complete turn to you.

975
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,519
Speaker 2: Sure did go through the ringer, you really did. How

976
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:38,800
long did it take you to come back down after

977
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:39,519
you meet at home?

978
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's a that's a good question. You know, after

979
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,039
we've seen this thing and we got away and realized

980
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:52,519
what we saw. And like I said before, I think

981
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:56,239
Wade was already confused on why he's following his friend

982
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,960
into the woods because he feels called to the star.

983
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,719
So for Wade, I'm not real sure. I think, you know,

984
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,480
I can only imagine what was going on in his mind.

985
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:12,320
But when we got back and as as we're you know,

986
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:15,880
talking about it, and we're just at first I remember

987
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,960
walking back to his house, we didn't say a word.

988
01:05:19,159 --> 01:05:22,400
You know, we were just trying to get back to

989
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,840
his house and then you know, getting settled in, we

990
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,039
were you know, we're questioning what was that thing? Did

991
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:28,599
you see that?

992
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:29,199
Speaker 2: You know?

993
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:34,119
Speaker 1: And all this other you know, it was just more questioning,

994
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:38,920
and of course we were still started startled a little bit.

995
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:43,159
Uh So, yeah, I think that's really it on that.

996
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 2: How far was Wade's house from where that experience happened.

997
01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question. I want to say, Oh gosh,

998
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:58,400
maybe two or three football fields away, maybe even longer

999
01:05:58,440 --> 01:05:58,719
than that.

1000
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you made record time getting back there too,

1001
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:09,679
didn't you. Yeah, I'll bet you did. How compromised were

1002
01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:12,480
you in the weeks and months that came after that experience.

1003
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: So it was the thing that we kind of just

1004
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:21,000
you know, and I think everybody handles certain experiences or

1005
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:26,599
situations differently, people cope with things differently. But you know,

1006
01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:30,679
it was one of them things. You know, we didn't

1007
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,239
we weren't faced, and I think I think it was

1008
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,239
us being kids. You know, maybe it's a good thing

1009
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,320
that happened when we were Who was to say, if

1010
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,119
I seen the dog man today, I want to be

1011
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:44,320
more traumatized than I was now or was then, but

1012
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,679
neither here nor there. I think we just went on

1013
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,559
about our daily lives. It was one of them things

1014
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:54,039
where we just kept it to ourselves and you know,

1015
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,800
just really didn't dwell on it. We just kept moving on,

1016
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:04,440
kept moving forward. Maybe we talked about it once or

1017
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:09,559
twice after it happening, but we never told a soul.

1018
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:13,159
I don't know if he told anybody, but I know

1019
01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:18,760
I never told a soul. I know that that's something

1020
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:23,159
that we never really hardly brought up at all. And

1021
01:07:23,239 --> 01:07:25,719
of course down the road, I've told a few people

1022
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,719
as far, maybe like one or two people. I've told

1023
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:33,360
a stranger who I met one time, and I think

1024
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,480
that was the very first time I opened up to it.

1025
01:07:38,119 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 2: If you're on the outside looking in, it could be

1026
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:43,599
really hard to understand how a dogman, I can counter eyewitness,

1027
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:47,280
could have an experience like this, especially at the age

1028
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,599
that he was at, and not tell everyone about the experience.

1029
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:53,239
But that's how it goes. Sometimes there are a lot

1030
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,800
of people out there who have encounters and they don't

1031
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,559
tell anyone. So it just depends on how a person

1032
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:03,800
sides to try to adapt to cope with their experience.

1033
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,599
People have different ways of dealing with things, So just

1034
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:10,920
because you wouldn't handle it that way that it doesn't

1035
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,199
mean that other people would do it the same way.

1036
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,559
It's just a good way to think about it and

1037
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:19,399
something to consider. Why didn't you tell your mother about

1038
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:23,039
that experience? You were thirteen years old, after all, you.

1039
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,399
Speaker 1: Know, that's that's actually a real good question. I think,

1040
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,960
you know what, and during that time, you know, you know,

1041
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,560
I could tell my mom anything, but that was just

1042
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,000
something that it was just so personal to me. I

1043
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:42,399
think it was so personal to me and the me no,

1044
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,039
I just knew it. It's just maybe the sequence before

1045
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:49,159
it happened and before we got scared off when he

1046
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:51,680
came out of the woods. I think it was such

1047
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:56,680
a personal moment and a spiritual moment for me, and

1048
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,159
a phenomenal.

1049
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: Moment that.

1050
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:06,279
Speaker 1: I knew nobody would understand or nobody could relate. You know,

1051
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,039
That's how I felt at the time. So to me,

1052
01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:13,479
there was really no need to openly express or tell

1053
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,279
my mom, or tell another friend, or tell a teacher,

1054
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,439
or tell this person and that person. It was just

1055
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:23,039
more or less coping with the idea and the fascination

1056
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:26,479
of the emotions I had before it led up to

1057
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,199
us getting scared and seeing the dog man. So yeah,

1058
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,800
I don't know why I didn't tell my mom. I

1059
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,439
just I just think it was more on a personal

1060
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,000
level for me. I think it was just a thing

1061
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:40,279
where it's like, maybe it's meant for you and him,

1062
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:42,279
or meant for you type deal. Who knows.

1063
01:09:44,079 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: Well, Like I said, to a lot of people might

1064
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:48,720
seem strange that you didn't tell her, but we all

1065
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,680
have our ways of dealing with things. So yeah, that's

1066
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,479
a good way to look at it. Now that we've

1067
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,159
established that you didn't tell your mom about what happened,

1068
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:02,520
did you ever buy a chance ask her about the

1069
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:07,560
possibility of moving due to a mistaken belief that if

1070
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,479
you did relocate, that would remove the possibility of having

1071
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:12,800
another dog me an encounter.

1072
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: So yet, no, no, it never it never got to

1073
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:21,800
that point. Nothing. Excuse me, I'm sorry. Nothing ever happened

1074
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:26,000
to the point where we had to move because you know,

1075
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:29,560
I felt traumatized or or you know, because I never

1076
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:34,600
even told her. But it was a thing. It never

1077
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,520
stopped us from going back into the woods as kids.

1078
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,880
You know. Of course, I still lived my daily life

1079
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:44,039
and you know, did my things as a kid. But

1080
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:52,399
we didn't go back to that area. And I think that, yeah,

1081
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:57,399
I just yeah, yeah.

1082
01:10:56,119 --> 01:11:00,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you didn't go back. I understand. Why do

1083
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,640
you think keeping all this under wraps the way you

1084
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:08,760
did had a negative effect on you by chance? You know?

1085
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: That's I want to that's hard to say because I

1086
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,239
was so young and it happens. Like I said, I

1087
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,000
don't think it really traumatized me or hindered me from

1088
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:22,600
being a kid and living my life. It was just

1089
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,840
more or less the fact of the unknown of why

1090
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,079
did we see this thing? Why did it pop out?

1091
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:29,399
Speaker 2: You know?

1092
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,560
Speaker 1: Why did I feel like I was called to the

1093
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,399
star and want to walk into the woods at two am?

1094
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,039
And I'm just in the eighth grade. So there's a

1095
01:11:37,079 --> 01:11:41,319
lot of questions involved in that. But yeah, I don't

1096
01:11:41,359 --> 01:11:45,520
think it hindered me anyway, at least to my knowledge,

1097
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,600
you know. Or so.

1098
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 2: Well, that's good, thank goodness for that. And thirteen, I mean,

1099
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,720
that's heading right into the teeth of a very difficult,

1100
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,800
awkward stage of your life. Of all the things to

1101
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,720
have happened, I hate the fact that happened to you. Guys,

1102
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:04,000
that's horrible.

1103
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,079
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, it was. It was very scary.

1104
01:12:08,359 --> 01:12:10,520
Like like I said, and you know, I'm such an

1105
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,520
open minded person and I'm such you know, I'm I'm

1106
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,800
so firm and where I'm at, you know, like I

1107
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,199
told you, it was kind of a looking back at it,

1108
01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:24,199
I'm glad. I'm glad I experienced it. You know, I'm

1109
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:30,880
glad I got to see and visualize and have those

1110
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:36,079
emotions that we were having that night in spite of

1111
01:12:36,279 --> 01:12:39,960
us getting scared away and and thinking that we're about

1112
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,520
to die. You know. Uh, because looking back at it,

1113
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,159
like I said, you know who, and there's not many people.

1114
01:12:45,399 --> 01:12:49,520
I think we talked about this yesterday, you know, I

1115
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:50,800
asked you what you know?

1116
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:52,079
Speaker 2: But why what?

1117
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:55,319
Speaker 1: Why us? Why? Why me? Or why him? Why her?

1118
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,920
Why why them? Type deal. You know, there's only a

1119
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,680
few people that see these sightings and get to experience

1120
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:06,680
such phenomenal things, and you know, half the majority of

1121
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,960
the world don't get to experience these things, you know,

1122
01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:16,680
So I think that's a question. You know that I've had.

1123
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 2: Something to never lose sight of, is the fact that

1124
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,960
there are so many more people who have encounters with

1125
01:13:19,039 --> 01:13:21,880
these things and you're ever going to know. This is

1126
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,520
something I made a post on my Facebook page personal

1127
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,439
facebook page earlier today, my copyright attorney let me know

1128
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,960
about an encounter that a family member of his had

1129
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:35,680
with a dog man. So that just highlights the fact

1130
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,880
that so many more people have encounters with these guys,

1131
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,600
and we're ever going to know. You know, people who've

1132
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,960
had encounters with these guys. Besides Wade, God bless him.

1133
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,600
I hate to hear that he passed, But Wade's not

1134
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,199
the only person that you know or knew who had

1135
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,920
an encounter with one of these guys that you didn't

1136
01:13:55,159 --> 01:13:58,359
ever hear about. They just kept it to themselves. So

1137
01:13:58,399 --> 01:13:59,600
something to keep in mind.

1138
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, I can, and I will say I

1139
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,319
feel like people should open up maybe and be encouraged

1140
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:08,319
to talk about it to certain people.

1141
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,079
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, for most people it does help, but

1142
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,840
there are people out there who have encounters and talking

1143
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,279
about is probably the worst thing they could do. So

1144
01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:21,000
it just depends on the person, it really does.

1145
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: Right.

1146
01:14:22,039 --> 01:14:24,319
Speaker 2: But having said that, Austin, it's about time for us

1147
01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:26,239
to get out of here. But before we do, do

1148
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:28,079
you have any clothing comments you'd like to put out?

1149
01:14:28,079 --> 01:14:30,760
There for us, not really.

1150
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 1: I hope everybody enjoyed the story. I'm sorry if you

1151
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,840
know I ran in circles or stuttered or elaborated. This

1152
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,199
is my first podcast and very thankful to be on

1153
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:44,479
this podcast, and I hope everybody stays blessed. And if

1154
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:49,960
you have any encounters out there, no, you're not alone.

1155
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:55,399
Speaker 2: That's right, really good words, far from it. Well, before

1156
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:56,920
you do go, I want to put it out there.

1157
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:58,800
I'm not sure we might or might not have a

1158
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,880
show Friday night. I've got a lot of things going

1159
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,199
on right now, a lot of moving parts in my life.

1160
01:15:04,359 --> 01:15:05,920
I'm not sure if I'm going to have a show

1161
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:09,079
ready to go Friday or not. But if I don't,

1162
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,680
then we'll definitely have one next week, so you'll have

1163
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,359
that one to look forward to at least. But having

1164
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:18,680
said that, Austin, thanks again so much for coming on

1165
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,119
and sharing the details of that experience with this. I

1166
01:15:21,159 --> 01:15:22,159
really appreciate it.

1167
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,199
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, it was an honor. Like I said, I'm

1168
01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:27,920
sorry about the trouble I had earlier with the signal

1169
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,439
and all, and I'll definitely tune into more of your

1170
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,520
podcasts because I enjoy what you're doing here.

1171
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,119
Speaker 2: Well, I'll do the best I can to keep the

1172
01:15:37,159 --> 01:15:39,520
episodes coming. And of course thanks so much for the

1173
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:44,439
good words. I appreciate it. Yes, sir, I do well.

1174
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,680
Having said that, like I said, thanks again so much

1175
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,920
for coming on in. Of course, have a great night.

1176
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Well that's another one in the books. Everyone, thanks again

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so much for listening. And of course, if if you

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had a dog ma an encounter that you need help

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dealing with, or if you like to come on the

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show and share it with the listeners, please go to

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Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you do that,

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then I'll schedule a phone consultation with you and we'll

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take it from there. But thanks again so much for

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listening in have a great night.