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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us for another special midweek episode of
the show. I really appreciate you being here. If you
think back on your childhood, all of us have things
that we point to is pretty much being the most
frightening thing that's ever happened to us. But when you
think about it, in most cases it wasn't all that frightening.
Of course, back then, it was because you were a kid,
so naturally what was frightening back then could very easily
be dismissed. Is not all that big of a thing
when you grow up. But tonight's guest had an experience, unfortunately,
when he was thirteen, that you can't dismiss that way.
It was frightening, no matter what, no matter, no matter
how you try to classify it. Well, without any further ado,
let's bring him in here now so we can talk
about that. Tonight's guest is Austin Moore. Austin, Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 1: Hey, Vic, thanks for having me man, it's an honor
being here.
Speaker 2: Well, it's an honor to have you. Thank you for
your time.
Speaker 1: Hey, yes, sir Austin.
Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 1: My name is Austin Moore. I'm it's thirty one years old.
Originally born in Charlotte, North Carolina. Moved to Tennessee when
I was a teenager. I make music. I have a
ten year old son, and and you know, I'm super blessed.
Speaker 2: That you are. It's good you realize that. Why did
you make that move though, to Tennessee.
Speaker 1: My parents ended up separating, so you know, it was
a quick shift, a quick decision my mom made at
the time. So she packed up me and my brother
and we went to Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Ah, I see. Was there much in the way of
culture shock or did you hit the ground running?
Speaker 1: It was. It was a little bit of a culture shock,
just because coming from more of an urban place out
of Charlotte and to Tennessee was it was a little different,
but we got adjusted to it.
Speaker 2: Well that's good, that's really good. Austin. You were in
the eighth grade when you had your encounter. Can you
think of any lasting effects that you're experiencing to this
day due to what happened to you that night, not.
Speaker 1: Really just the more fact of the unknown, the fast
nation of of knowing why and and uh, you know
maybe how these things experienced, so more or less that
that's probably that's probably it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's good. Yeah, it didn't take me long when
we spoke the other day for the first time to
understand that you're obviously a well adjusted man now and
there might have been some hang ups you suffered from,
but they're not evident. So as long as we can
say that, that's a great thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, Yes, sir, it definitely is.
Speaker 2: Your encounter happened near Gatlinburg, Tennessee. How far into the
country was the place where it actually happened.
Speaker 1: So I was in the survieval area, and I don't
know if those have ventured off the Pigeon Forge or
Severe County, but there's a there's a place kind of
near it's a market square area and it's not too
deep into the country, but you know, it's outside of
the same city limits. And that's where I was at
my friend's house.
Speaker 2: So speaking of your friend, you had him with you
at the time. What can you tell us about him.
Speaker 1: Oh, Man Wade. I mean, as I told you the
day before when we were on the phone, he passed
a couple of years ago, but he's he was such
a bright kid, very smart. You know, he was full
blooded Native American and just a good childhood friend, somebody
who would have your back.
Speaker 2: He does sound like a great friend. I'm wondering though,
was he the one that was getting you into trouble
back then or vice versa.
Speaker 1: You know, we were probably both class clowns. We were
an equal balance to each other.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's good then. Yeah, it sounds like you
guys are a good match. Now when I listen, do
you talk about how that encounter played out? I was
going to ask you about this, but I decided to
just wait until tonight, which one of you was more
traumatized by the experience Without revealing any details of the encounter.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to say he was, and we'll
leave it at that. You know, I'll explain why I
think that throughout the story. But I think he was
more or less more shocked than I was, you know, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why when you talked about the
details of how everything played out, that does make sense,
But you never know. If you would have been more
sensitive than he was to a certain point, then you
might have been the one who was more traumatized by it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, it could have easily been that way.
Speaker 2: I just absolutely hate the idea that that happened to you.
I mean, look at how young you were and having
experience like that where you two were convinced that you
were literally running for your lives from a werewolf. That's
just horrible. Mm hm, Yes, that's not good at all,
as the title suggests, speaking of that when you're chased
by that quote unquote we're a wolf that night. Did
you ever try rebuking it?
Speaker 1: No? But as I told you, I've always been a
spiritual person. I don't think I've found the need really
to rebuke it. I was just more questioning on why
these things happened, you know. So No, I don't think
we were we rebuked it at all.
Speaker 2: So, and you can't be faulted for that. You're doing
good to know your own names. You guys are so
freaked out understandably so that Yeah, like I said, you
can't be faulted.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did having that experience have an effect on your faith? Though?
Speaker 1: It opened It opened me more up to the unknown
or outside of the box and discouraged my faith to
God or my spiritual belief. But it definitely opened my
eyes to there's so much more in this world that
you know, we have no idea what's going on out here, and.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's a fact. You found that out firsthand.
Do you think your faith might have played a factor
and you having that experience in the first place.
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely. I've always been in tune to a spiritual
presence ever since I was a kid or you know,
been an EmPATH, and I think it definitely had had
a you know, cause and effect to what happened that night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not unusual have an experience like that. It's
either going to draw you closer to God or further away.
In most cases, the answer is it's going to draw
you closer. But you never know. People respond differently to
experiences like that, so you never do know. Do you
think that find intervention is why you're here today though,
or do you think that you're still here due to
another reason?
Speaker 1: Oh? I think it's all divine intervention. I don't believe
in coincidence. I think we all have a special role
in life. So yeah, I think it's all divine intervention.
Speaker 2: I agree. I think we do all have a role.
So we're on the same page there, all right, Austin,
please tell us about this encounter. Now, give us a
real last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: All right, you guys. So let's see, we were in
eighth grade. You know, we were just being kids, and
we're walking in the neighborhood. I'd say it's about two am,
you know, at night. It's a clear summer night. You know,
it's it's warm, and we're enjoying ourselves. And as we're
walking back, you know, from from the end of the
cul de Sac, and you know, we we we ventured
throughout the whole neighborhood. And that neighborhood is pretty big
it self, you know, it's it's not a small area,
you know. And mind you, as we're coming back, there's
there's this, uh, there's this hill that that we came upon.
And as we got to this hill, I'm looking up
at the star and I felt in tuned to this
the star. It was a bright illuminates star in the sky,
you know, and it was it was radiating all these
like different colors from the star. Itself, and so I
felt like it was calling me. And as as we're
sitting here, you know, I have my buddy Wade with me.
He's goofing off and he's being himself and me as
spiritual as I am and being an impath, you know,
I'm I'm just staring at the start the whole time
because I'm so focused on what I'm feeling from from
this star. And uh, I look at him and I say, Wade,
we have to go. We have to go into these woods,
you know. And he's like, what you know, You're crazy.
We can't go in these woods. Uh. And mind you
were up on top of the hill, you know, as
this is, this conversation is happening. And as I start
walking down the hill into the field, there's this there's
this huge field. I mean, it's it's almost like an
acre of land, you know, as far as you know, widthwise,
and there's just a bunch of woods that surround, you know,
the very back of it and wraps around. So as
we're going down the hill and I decide to walk
into the woods or go towards the woods, because I
feel called to the stars. I feel like the star
is calling me to walk into the woods for whatever reason,
and I had no fear. I had no fear based
on that. I was driven off faith, just off that feeling.
And as I'm walking, my friend, you know, being being
who he was, I think he was more concerned about
why why am I doing this? But he followed me anyways,
and we get about maybe not even one hundred yards
away from the woods, and and next thing, you know,
this this big seven foot eight foot tall wolf man
dog man approaches up out of the woods. And it
was it was shocking, to say the least. He was very,
very tall. It was almost like a grayish white, blackish coat,
you know, his his hind hind legs was massive. And
as now, mind you, as this happened, guys, whoever's listening,
as this happened, we're we're shocked. I mean, as soon
as this thing comes out of the woods, are our
eyes and our whole body froze. But it was like
a split of two seconds, but it felt like an eternity.
You know. It was just one of those moments where
I don't know if anybody's experienced to where you know,
something happens or you're like a deer caught in the
headlights and and we we really had no time to
react but to turn and run, you know, and uh
higher up to this point. You know, as I as
I stated before, I'm following my my intuition because I
felt a calling to the start and whatever reason it
was for for this dog man to come out of
the woods, I felt like it had interference towards that.
But as this thing came out of the woods and
we're stuck, froze solid, uh, we buck it. We have
we have no no desire to turn back, and we
didn't rebuke it. We were literally scared for our lives.
We thought this thing was going to rip our head off.
I mean when when you would have saw this thing
it was it was a little legit eight foot tall,
you know, it's its head looked like a dog, you know.
And and how fast of the moment it was. It's
like you caught the description. But we were so scared
we jetted and as we're running up this hill, and
I mean this this field is like you know, five
hundred year I mean, we're we're near the woods at
this moment, so me we got a ways to run.
It's it's just a wide open field until you get
up to the point of the hill where the codasact
and so as we're booking it, we're hauling. We we
know this thing's chasing us, because as soon as we
got up out of this trance of just being frozen,
the shock of seeing this this monster coming out of
the woods, you know, we felt the presence of it
running because there we knew that was the only way
we knew that was that was the only thing happening,
you know, that that was really so as we're as
we're running, my friend gets tripped up, you know, he
I hear him thump. I'm booking it. I'm already up
on top of the hill. And as I get to
the top of the hill, I witness him turn around,
as you know, after he thumped. And when he thumped
and turned around, he there was no dog man, you know,
And I looked at him, and I looked down to
the horizon of the field. It was almost like the
dog man vanished, like it went through a portal, almost
to say, you know, there was just no trace. And
if you were to explain to somebody at that moment
how quick everything happened, they wouldn't have believed you. Because
when I tell you, it went from zero to one hundred.
From the time he chased us up to the hill.
There was no trace. And as this as this happened,
we're so I don't even think and fear. Fear was
really the cause of our emotion. We were more or
less shocked of everything that happened, because the sequence of
me being you know, spiritual and following the star and
feeling called to approach the woods was already, you know,
a risk in itself. And right after the moment of
us approaching these woods, you know, you have this this
monster that approaches and comes out and chases you. And
I think we were just more or less shocked instead
of scared. And as as it happened, we're up on
the hill, we noticed the thing completely disappeared. That's when
my buddy Wade said he felt like something grabbed his
foot and tripped him, you know, And I thought, I
figured he just tripped, you know, And I completely, completely,
you know, believed him at that time because what we've
seen and what we were running from. My only question is,
or my only mindset was why did it not harm
us them? Why did it not eat us? Because and
I'm sure he was thinking the same way. And mind you,
when I got to the top of the hill and
we ran away from this thing, as I'm looking down
and I see way turn around, he looks back up
at me and his eyes are as wide as quarters,
you know, and and it's just like pan He's like,
and you can imagine we're literally running for our life.
So we're out of breath, and I remember vividly as yesterday,
he's just like panning and has his eyes wide open.
I'm panning, and we're just shell shocked, and we're running
off adrenaline. And finally we end up going back to
his house and uh, just really we couldn't really fathom
on what we saw. So it was kind of really
like a moment of clarity for us. But we never
really openly discussed about it towards really anybody, you know,
after the fact that happened. I think there was only
about maybe one or two people I've told throughout my life,
and that was my adulthood. And I don't don't know
if he has told anybody himself other than other than me.
And I think when it comes to to me being
a spiritual person, like I said earlier and before the story,
I think it was really I think it really had
to play an effect of not not wanting us to
go into the woods, you know. And then I asked
the question if if I would have gotten into these woods,
if if I would have you know, stood on faith
or was firm, what what would have happened if I
got into the woods, And you know, I'm getting this
calling from this star quote unquote, what if something would
have happened then, you know, other than a dog man
approaching us and scaring us away. And we never we
never went back after that. We never walked back. We
never went back to that field. But it was a
memory that that that never left our our minds, and
it was a very crucial moment, you know. And until
this day, I still think about it every once in
a while. Uh, And it really fascinates the idea of
knowing why and how it happened, as I, as I
said earlier, and that's that's really the biggest part, you know.
And I was reading other stories about people having other encounters,
you know, and I was trying to get similarities off
maybe description of the same thing that we saw. And
there was a lot of the descriptions that that kind
of you know, resembled off the one that we saw,
but I'd say the one we saw was more of
like silver, you know, it had it had gray white
silver hair. And the more that I think about it,
the whole field was illuminated by It was a clear sky.
You know, I'm already following the stars, so the whole
the whole field is illuminated by the moon. So I'm
pretty sure it was a full moon that night, and
we were just being kids, you know, got scared for
our lives. It was definitely an experience that that you'll
never forget.
Speaker 2: Paul, that's a given right there. Yeah, guaranteed you didn't
give too many details regarding how that dog me it looked.
So now I'm going to ask you if there's anything
else you can recall about its appearance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, so it was very very big and muscular.
His claws had about it had about maybe five inch
claws at the time. Uh, you couldn't even really see
his face. You've seen that had the outer look of
it being a dog, and it growled at us. I
think that's what really scared us out of the most,
is you know, And I'm glad you said that because
I don't even think I've told you this yesterday. But
as it came out of the woods, it made this
you know, growling noise, you know, it made this defensive noise.
And uh, this thing, this thing was your your typical
average you know, almost looking this werewolf looking creature. Its
hind legs were massive. It almost looked very muscular, you know,
but not not so defined where you can see its muscles.
You've only seen more or less how built and how
tall he was. And yeah, that that's that's really the description,
you know, the only description I have of him, because,
like I said, we we booked it right after it happened,
and we were running for our lives. There was not
a moment well, I know, for effect, whenever we seen
that that creature, we we thought we were going to die,
you know, And I think that was I think that
was the biggest blessing for us at that moment when
we're on top of the hill realizing that, oh my gosh,
we're still alive. Because as we look back and he
was gone. I think that's another reason why we were
such in shock, because we were still we're like, oh
my gosh, that that thing didn't eat us, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure you had so many thoughts going
through your heads at the time. You were having a
hard time knowing which way was up and understandably, so, yes,
what do you think it would have done though? If
the two of you wouldn't have boarded?
Speaker 1: You know that that is a good question. That's a
question that I, you know, try to try to understand
or maybe question myself today. I'm not real sure. I
want to say that it probably would have scared us
off either way, just because you know, I feel as
if it didn't want us going into the woods itself.
But also I also ask, you know, what, what if
what if we want to run? Like you? Like you said,
what if we would have just stayed?
Speaker 2: I've got ideas about how it would have responded. It
probably would have just come up to you and tried
to intimidate you and frighten you. But it's hard to say.
You never know, it's really hard to know. Hello, Oh yeah,
I can hear you? Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, I don't I think I lost you?
Speaker 2: Victor, I can hear you. Can you hear me? That's
not good? How about now? Can you hear me? Hmm?
Speaker 1: Hang on?
Speaker 2: Everyone. I'm gonna try sending Austin a text here to
get this resolved. I'll be right back, all right, everyone,
I just asked him to leave the studio and come
back in, so he should pop back in any second now.
In the meantime or waiting for him to come back,
I could always sing a song. We just need to
decide what song I should sing. Let's check out the
line chat for any suggestions. Uh, too late, he's back.
Speaker 1: Oh right, Sorry about that, guys, I lost wi fi.
It's actually raining over here my way, Paul.
Speaker 2: That's not your fault. Things happen, no problem, So I'm sorry.
Go ahead, Oh no, after you well.
Speaker 1: As I was saying, though, I think I think I
was at the just the moment of if if we
would have stayed and not ran away, I don't think,
you know, I think it was in such defensive mode.
We we don't know if it would have ate us
or not. We don't know what would have happened. And
then then I asked the question, you know, is it
possible if I could have just walked in the woods,
you know, and and not been so fearful of of
the creature itself, but off instinct seeing it and and
knowing how phenomenal it was, we were automatically just scared.
So I don't even think we had that question.
Speaker 2: Oh no, lost him again. Hopefully it's not going to
be too long for her. Realizes that he dropped out,
and he clicks back in. I'll keep an eye out
for him. Let's see, now, what was I talking about
before he came back into the studio here? I think
I asked you guys to do something? What was that?
Let's see. No, I didn't ask if you wanted me
to dance? What was it? Oh? Well, maybe i'll remember
it here shortly? Oh yeah, like Diane says, she wants
she's reminding me. I said I was gonna sing. Well,
we haven't picked a song yet. What song? Fiver Geek says,
my Bigfoot Encounter song. I don't sing that song. That's
Nathan Brumley. And you wouldn't believe how many times I
get messages from people, Hey, Vick, what's the name of
that song in the intro and the outro for your
Bigfoot show My Bigfoot Sighting, And I put the name
the artist in the name of the song right there
in the description for the show. I'm thinking, oh man,
that's right there. Christine the Easterday wants me to sing
Country Road. I like John Denver, but yeah, me singing
that song wouldn't be pretty. Another vote for Country Road.
Hopefully Austin's going to click back in here soon. Nothing
like live talk radio. Huh. Send him a text message
and see where he's at. I'll be right back, all right, guys,
I just sent him another text message. So what we're
gonna do is, while we're waiting for him to come
back in, we're gonna do a little dog Man Q
and A. Since you guys can't decide which song you
want me to sing, so please post any questions that
you have for me about dog Men, any general questions period,
and we'll just get into that while waiting for him
to come back. He must be having one heck of
a storm to have all these problems. All right, Let's
see who's got the first question for me? Still no question? Okay,
Dylan found one Xbox wants to know how old I am.
That's funny. Let's see here. Yeah, there's Dylan's question. He
wants to know as Dogmen a werewolf. Well, it's possible.
Anything in this crazy world is possible. If a sub
atomic particle called a work can wink in and out
of existence, which they can, anything is possible. So I'm
not going to shoot it down and say it's not possible.
I will tell you that when doctors are in when
they're pre med and learning how to become doctors, one
of the things that they're trained when they're learning how
to diagnose illnesses is that basically Ocome's razor. I you
hear hoofs clicking on the floor behind you, think horse,
not zebra. In other words, it could be a zebra
that you hear, but horses are so much more common,
so it's a lot more likely to be a horse
than it is to be a zebra. And the same
thing holds true here are dog men, creatures or beings
that look the way they do twenty four seven three
sixty five. Or are we dealing with people who somehow
have the ability to shape shift using magic from the
form of a human to that of a beast, a
beast that can have three, four or five six times
as much mass as the human they transformed from. Well, somehow,
some way, maybe that's possible, But that's much harder to
swallow than it just being a being or a creature
that looks that way twenty four to seven, three sixty five,
liz em says, Vick is thirty. You're too kind. Let's see.
The next question I'm going to pop up is from Josh,
and he wants to know where the dogmen found in
the US. I've heard northern Michigan is rife with them. Well,
you'd be surprised. I don't get all that many encounters
coming in from Michigan compared to other places. Yeah, they
do come in from Michigan, but there are other places
that more encounters come from. Right now, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, Ohio,
New York seems like they have quite a few more
encounters coming in than Michigan now. So well, Also, to
answer your question, these guys are all over. I mean
they're literally all over. In fact, there was a guy
about seventy years ago from Rhode Island. I never will
forget it. He contacted me to basically thumb his nose.
He said something along the lines of, Haha, I don't
have to worry about any dogman encounters here. I live
in Rhode Island. So I thought about it, and I thought, hmm,
should I or shouldn't I let him know that there's
a dog man that's been seen so many times in
Rhode Island. The locals have a nickname for it. Well,
of course, it being me, I decided to send them
a link to that article. But yeah, sure, he got
to kick out of that. The next question I'm going
to address is from Liz M. Liz wants to know
do you think they use portals or dimension shifts? Well,
I've spoken with my fair share of credible eyewitnesses who've
reported seeing things like that, so I'm definitely open to it.
It's definitely possible. The next one I'm gonna ask or
address is from Alex Midnight, and he wants to know, say,
if one kills the dog man, can you eat them? Yeah?
I don't even know what to say about that. Let's
find another question. Let's see Baby wants to know our
dog been natural or supernatural. That's a good question. That's
a million dollar question right there. When you do what
I do for as long as I've done it, and
you're exposed as many eyewitnesses as I am and have been,
you talk with so many credible eyewitnesses who report experiencing
things from these guys that point soundly towards them being
just flesh and blood creatures with no special abilities. And
you go for a stretch where you notice a trend
that way, and then before you know it, another direct
another group of eyewitnesses comes by and they tell you
about all these experiences they've had. Where when they tell
you about the things they've experienced and witness these guys do,
it points soundly towards them being supernatural beings. So I
really can't tell you. Maybe some dog men a certain
percentage are flesh and blood creatures while others are ethereal beings.
I don't know. I really can't answer that question for you.
Let's find another good question. There is one up above.
I need to scroll back up here and find whether
chat's just rolling or was that question? It's not that one. Okay,
there's a juicy one right there. Rob Mack wants to know,
why do you think the government keeps it a secret
that dogmen exists? Well, that's easy right there. Think about
how poorly we dealt with COVID people panicked. We didn't
handle that well at all. Now imagine what the fallout
would be from the government coming out and officially acknowledging
the fact that, guess what, people in the woods that's
closest to you, you just might have creatures out there
that look like giant werewolves. Just imagine how that would
go over in our day to day lives. We rely
on so many things that are harvested from the forest,
from the lumber we use in our homes and buildings,
and for paper, and all the medicines that are derived
from plants, and all sorts of other things. If all
of a sudden it was let out of the bag
that guess what, you might have something that looks like
a giant were wolf or wear wolves plural in your
local forest. Who's going to want to go into that forest.
Who's going to want to run a noisy chainsaw at
ten twelve hours out of the day, out of the workday,
when they can't hear anything behind them, they can't see
anything behind them. Who's going to want to do that?
Almost overnight, the lumber industry would falter, and along with
it would go our whole economy, the world's economy. So
the government's smart to not let this secret out of
the bag. It's a dichotomy, though, because on one hand,
I can appreciate the fact that they want to keep
our economy and our way of life going by keeping
this under wraps. On the other hand, you've got so
many dogmen eyewitnesses who have these encounters. They can't come
out and get help from their families and significant others
because they know they're going to be teased and derided.
So it's really a mixed bag on that. On one hand,
I'm glad the government doesn't let it out to the bag.
On the other hand, I hate the idea that they don't.
Hope that answers your question there, Let's look for another question.
Here's a tough one here from Ruth G. She wants
to know how's your night going. Vic's going great, Thanks
for asking. I hope yours is going even better. The
next one is from Scott Baker, and Scott wants to
know what's the fastest dog man can run. Well, they
can run faster on all fours than they can on
two legs. All we can do is just guess how
fast they can actually top out at bipdal lee or
quadrupedal lee. But I've had some credible eyewitnesses reports seeing
them run forty five ish or so on two legs,
maybe tickling fifty and then on all fours over sixty,
But we don't know what the limits of their abilities are.
Maybe they can top out it's seventy or so on
all fours, so it's really hard to say. This next
one is from Earth Angel and she wants to know
what the earliest year of a dog man account was. Well,
in eighteen eighty seven in Wexford County, Michigan. That was
the earliest documented dog me an encounter that's ever been reported,
So they go way back. Let's find another one. A
lot of these aren't in all caps, so they're hard
to find. Here's one from Wandering Bowl three six y nine,
and it reads do you think they use trees as
portals to manifest and leave the realm? Well, it's possible.
I don't know. All I can do is guess on that,
but like everything else, it's possible. Let's find another one.
Let's see scroll down here a bit. This one is
from Marvin Johnson. Out of all the cryptids around the
world that people hear about, which ones do you believe
are real? Besides bigfoot in dog men, crawlers, skinwalkers, mothman,
et cetera. Well, I believe in the existence of rakes.
I believe in the existence of skin walkers, although I
don't think that's considered as a cryptid. Then Mothman. I
believe in Mothman as well. I can't really think of
a cryptid that I've heard about that I don't believe in.
I know sheep Squatch is pretty hard to believe in
bad Squatch as well, But if a lot of these
other cryptids are out there, then who's to say those
guys aren't. I hope that answers your question there. The
next one I'm going to answer is from Earth Angel,
and she wants to know do you ever hear from
Brandon talking about Brandon close? That was episode one Angel.
I hope that answers your question there, and no after
well was what episode two o seven aired. I lost
contact with Brandon. I did see Brandon leaving a comment
to one of the episodes about maybe six months ago.
That was a rude comment, so I bannd his butt.
But yeah, back when two thousand and seven aired, I
tried to reach out to him, but like I said,
never did hear back from him. Let's find another one.
And always cracks me up when people come on the
show as guests, and then down the road you hear
them making nasty comments or see them making nasty comments
about other eyewitnesses. Give me a break, get out of here.
Got no time for that crap. Let's see, especially when
you consider I protected them to the best of my
ability to make sure that they didn't get any nasty
blowback from people that listen to their episodes. And then
let's see. You know that's not a question. If you
have a question, please remember to type it in all
caps so I don't miss it. Wow, this makes me
feel old, Ruth G says, I've been listening to you
since I was eleven years old. Now I'm eighteen. That
makes me feel good. But I'm glad you've been listening
so long. Thanks so much for listening, Ruth, I appreciate It.
Looks like Liz wants to know do you have a
map making marks? Where are where are the sightings? Well,
I think she means where the sightings have happened and
is there a pattern? Well, if you go to Dogmancounters
dot com and visit the about Dogmen page, you'll see
that there's a link to a map like that. And
I forgot the lady's name Anna, I believe is her name.
She tracks things like where dogman encounters happen, and she's
got this virtual map with pins in it, like you're
asking about. But I don't set time aside to do
anything like that. No, I don't follow. I don't worry
about patterns where dogman thecounters happen. I just focus on
trying to help the eyewitnesses come to terms with their experiences.
Let's see for this. Next question is from Alex Midnight.
He wants to know government experienced experience. I'm sorry, experiments
gone wrong? Question mark. It's possible. It is possible, but
here's a problem with that. Some dog men could be
created in test tubes government laboratory test tubes, but that
wouldn't explain away all of the existence of dog men, because,
like I just mentioned a bit ago, there is a
documented sighting back in eighteen eighty seven in Wexford County, Michigan.
We didn't have anything approaching the technology to make a
test tube dogmion back then. So if there are a
test tub dogmen now present day, sum are test tube dogmen.
While a certain part of the population is naturally occurring
something to think about. Next question is from Jamie Hect
and Jamie wants to know what color eyes do dogmen
usually have? Well, most dog men that are reported to
me have amber eyes. Then that's followed up by red eyes,
and then some have blue eyes. A very small percentage
of the dog men that people tell me about seeing
have blue eyes and some have greenish eyes. So I
hope that clears that up for you. And then William
Vertees ver Trees wants to know how do I contact
you to tell my tail? Well, I hope it's an
actual experience, not a tail, but if you want to
contact me about it, then please go to dogman encounters
dot com submit a report. If you do that, then
William that I'll contact you and schedule a phone consultation
so we can have a good talk about it. The
next question is from Robert Wolf. Hey, Vic, would you
ever do eyewitness encounters with nooms, little people, elves, et cetera. No,
I don't have any plans for doing that. I don't.
They're interesting topics, but that's not my bag. Baby. Let's
see the next one is from Fred Caserta, and Fred
wants to know what the largest group of people to
witness in a dog man all at once was I
can't really recall. I can't remember. That's a good question.
Maybe three four people, maybe five, but I can't really recall.
All right, it looks like we've got Austin back. Thanks
again for coming back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem, Thanks for having me Vic, And I'm
sorry about that. My phone died and I lost signals.
Speaker 2: Well and that one there, Well, we're glad to have
you back. Like I said, let's see where were.
Speaker 1: We I believe we were. We were talking about the
emotion we had once we ran into the uh the
dog man in the description I was given again, like
I said, he he was like seven foot eight foot tall,
very muscular, had a white silver maybe brownish blackish hair. Again,
it was it was nighttime, so you see more of
the It's almost like a gray coat more than anything
you've seen. How how long and how you know, lanky?
His his legs and his arms were and as I
was saying, whenever he popped out of the woods, he
he almost made this this scaring tactic of like a growl.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Now, mind you here, here's a good question. Here, here's
a good theory. I think this thing was watching us
from the time I was up on the hill and
I was feeling the intuition and the emotion of following
the star before we entered the field and getting close
to the woods. And I say this because you you,
you felt like nothing was surrounding you and you didn't
have no awhereabouts of this thing near It didn't how beforehand,
you know, everything was peaceful, everything was quiet, and the
next thing, you know, this thing just pops out like
in an instant. So it almost makes me curious, almost
makes me feel like it was watching us at the
time of you know, before it all happened. I've never
ran into an issue of having or seeing the dog
man since this time. You know, this was a once
in a time phenomenal sight for me and my friend. Uh.
And that's I think that's why the memory and the
longevity of the memory holds on so long, because how
phenomenal it was and how how scary it was at
the same time, you know, And you asked me, you
asked me before if if you know who was more
traumatized during during that moment. And I think off off
the way I was feeling in my motives of following
the star into the woods. I felt like, you know,
I was more firm. I would say I wasn't as
more I wasn't as fearful than I was shocked, and
I felt like my buddy was. I think we were
both scared. I think my buddy was just confused and
more scared at the time, just because of the sequence
of me saying, oh man, I feel connected to the
star and we're walking. You know, that's a mystery in itself.
And then next and you know, here comes this creature
out of the woods, and you know, I just like
I said earlier on the podcast that you remember his face.
His face was just like he's seen a ghost, you know,
and we basically did, except it was the Wolfman. And
I don't want to say it was like a demonic feeling,
you know, when you when you had when you see this,
when you seen this thing come out of the woods,
and and this peaceful mindset that I was feeling, because
I was that peaceful myself as I'm walking, you know,
I had no fear. You know, I'm like, oh man,
this the star is calling me into the woods. I'm
it's two am at night, you know, it's a it's
a summer night, and here, here we go, We're about
to walk in the woods. So that didn't scare us.
It was the fact that we seen the dog man
pop out, and you know it, I don't want to
say it had demonic felling to it, but I don't
want to necessarily said it had a good omen to
it as well. You know, I feel like it was
trying to protect something or keep us out of those woods,
whether you know it was it was driving us away
out of fear, or you know, it could have been
protecting itself. But it was very, very surprising and unknown.
Speaker 2: Well I'm sure it was. How close did it seem
to get to you too? At its closest point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So whenever we came down from the hill walking
into the field, like I said, we were about one
hundred yards away from the woods. And so as we're diagonal,
you know this, this is a wide open field and
we're walking diagonal towards the corner of the woods and
pops out. He pops out maybe in the middle, you know,
and we're maybe like fifty fifty yards away from this
thing or less. You know, So it was a very
vivid sight. But being being so young and being how
you know, how how long ago it was. If I
would elaborated on this story back then, I probably could
have gave you more of a detail. But the figure
and the shape and the emotion and seeing it in
general was It's a site that's still inside my mind,
you know, And we weren't that far from it at all.
I think that's I think that's what baffled us. You know, also,
is being so close to that thing. How did we
get away and why? You know, because it easily could
have could have just captured us and hawked us down,
you know. And I fully believe my buddy too, because
I was way past my buddy whenever we were running away.
You know, I'm a pretty fast guy. And like I said,
when he thumped and he said that he felt like
something grabbed his foot, I wholeheartedly believe him. And then again,
you know how that thing got away so fast because
by the time he thumped on the ground, we were
already halfway up the hill, and you know, before we
got to up the hill, you were on flat ground
running through the field. So it just it just makes
you think on that level, why it didn't harness.
Speaker 2: You know something I want to make sure you never
forget about our first conversation is the fact that you
didn't get away that night. It allowed you to get away.
And like we also spoke about a length, when it
comes to coming to terms with a dog me encounter,
it's all in how you look at what happened. I mean,
you can make this as easy on yourself to deal
with or is hard to deal with is possible. I
know this isn't a choice most eyewitnesses make. The subconscious
it plays a big part. It takes a while to
be able to look at your dog ma an encounter
with a level head, especially when they have a really
traumatic one. But the focus should be with eyewitnesses on
trying to look at their encounters accurately for what really happened,
and that right there, the whole we got away mentality.
That's something I see time after time and eyewitnesses that,
just like with you, I try to hammer home the
importance of realizing that no, you're allowed to get away.
It's the same thing if the Cowboys, if the Dallas
Cowboys played the best high school football team in the country,
if they played one hundred times, like we talked about
in our first conversation, the Cowboys are going to win
one hundred out of those hundred times. It doesn't matter
if the Cowboys are having a bad day, if they
play in the snowstorm, if they play in the heat wave.
The talent, the capabilities of the players on the Cowboys,
it is so much greater than the capabilities and talents
of that high school football team's players that there's never
going to be a time or a way that that
high school team could win because they were so outclassed.
Well with you two, you two were so outclassed that
day that it's the same thing if that dog wanted
to catch you, you two were got so, Yeah, try
not to lose sight of that, which it sounds like
you've been doing a really good job of keeping that
in mind.
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, absolutely thank you, And you know what,
you're absolutely right about that. And to question on that
you know it and allowed us to get away. You know,
I also think you know, could could have there have
been a divine intervention in that maybe you know, and
I'm not saying that, I'm not debunking off what you said.
You know, possibly is it possible that God or whatever
higher consciousness or being or thing could have subconsciously told
that creature, you know to stop, but who knows? Then
then you question that you know, but either either the
fact of the matter is, like you said, this thing
was way faster than this, way bigger, way stronger, and
had you know, vicious claws, vicious teeth, made a distinct growl,
you know, and there's just there's just, you know, no
way that it could have not hurt us orcaudus, you
know what I mean. And I think that's I think
that's a blessing in itself, you know. I think having
the experience and being able to see what we saw
that night, whether we got frightened, and whether it took
us away from not going into the woods and me
following that star, I find I find it to be
a blessing to experience something that night, and as phenomenal
as it was and as scary as it was, Uh,
it don't really bother me till today. Like I said,
I think it's just the fact of knowing and unknowing
why and you know, how how it happened, and especially
the sequence of us walking through the neighborhood, you know,
me finally looking up to this star and feeling high
in tuned and conscience and the next thing, you know,
we're we're taking a trip of faith into these woods
and and this creature just appears and and just chases
us away. You know, it's it's it's very it's interesting,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting doesn't do it any credit. I agree. Did
it make a lot of noise when it was coming
after you two? Or was it pretty quiet?
Speaker 1: And so I think that's what I was saying earlier.
It was very We didn't hear nothing, you know, when
we're walking in this field, Like I said, we were
at peace, or at least I was, you know, maybe
my friend was more already confused or thinking like why
the heck are we walking in these woods? But like
when it popped out, it had to have been not
even five or ten yards inside of the woods, because
it like it literally popped out, and you didn't hear
a thing. You didn't hear ruffles, you didn't hear like
it was running through the woods and then it popped out.
It was almost like it just popped out and it
just scared us off, and it chased us. And as
it chased us, you know, we thought like, oh, we're
done for and we get up there and we're shocked
that we're still alive, and that he's completely vanished or it,
whatever it was.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of freaky things about dog men,
but one of the freakiest things is how quiet they
can be when they want to. It's just not fear.
It's not were either. You were weighed making any noises
as you're running.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think we were screaming for our lives,
you know. You know what now that you now that
you've mentioned that, and that that memory comes back to
my mind as we're running and we're screaming because we're
kids and we just seen this terrifying thing. I think
and and like I said, this doesn't disrespect your theory
off of you know, it's it could have it could
have easily got us, because it could have. It definitely
allowed us to get away, But also think what if
it just got scared because we were in an open
field screaming for our lives and it didn't want to
be seen, you know, I think that. Uh so there's
so any you know, things you can you know, try
to comprehend about the situation. And I ended up telling
you that the other night or yesterday, and I tried
not to dewel so much on those things. And I
think that also is still what makes it so fascinating,
you know, I do know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of fascinating the aspects to
all this. There definitely are. If it did trip Wade,
why do you think it did that, if it didn't
want to hurt either of you two.
Speaker 1: That is a very good question. That's something I really
can't answer. Uh. Maybe it was a warning. Maybe it
was to let you know it was real. And like
I said, maybe maybe it Maybe there was a divine intervention,
Maybe there was something else looking out for us that night.
There's just no telling. But as he said that, and
you know it, I almost I remember when as soon
as it happened, and he when we turned back and
we realized it was gone, and he looked at me
with these bug eyes and said, you know, it felt
like something grabbed his foot. I almost didn't believe it
would because we were so in shocked. We we just
could not fathom the fact that this huge creature popped
out of the woods, you know. And then after him
telling me that, you know, it felt like something grabbed him,
I'm just I'm just in complete shock, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh So, yeah, yeah, I'm sure you were in complete shock.
That's understandable when way went down. How much distance did
you put between the two of you before he realized
he had fallen.
Speaker 1: I want to say we were probably maybe ten feet
away maybe hmm, maybe even less, maybe ten or five
feet away. You know, he definitely wasn't as far as
me when I was ahead of him. Uh And yeah,
it is that that was interesting. That's actually a very
good question to to think about or really ask, because
I don't know why why would grab his foot and
then it and like I said, and that's see, this
is what's so crazy, Vic. You know, as we're running
up this hill and mind you, this field is I mean,
this field is like an acre of land, you know.
Uh so before we even get up to the hill,
back up to the street, before we followed the star,
you know, there's there's a ways to go. So why
why how could it just vanish out of thin air?
And you know, maybe it did hit a portal, maybe
it didn't. Maybe it's so fast it could just go
like that, you know. But that's that question in itself.
When we were already up the hill and you have
all this other lands behind you, before the woods is
even at a stopping point. It's just fascinating how it
just you had no trace once you look back and
you just you didn't see a thing.
Speaker 2: You know, you have a lot of aspects to what
happened that night that leave you scratching your head and
wondering what the world was that all about? Yeah, definitely,
are you disappointed by how you responded to it coming
after you that night?
Speaker 1: Not really, because I don't really have no regrets in
my life. I'm a firm believer on that. I think
that with I think what really just gets me is
what would have happened if we want to ran away?
What would have happened if we would have entered those
woods and I would have kept looking up at the
sky and following this star that I felt like it
was calling me inside minds wishing to my soul. You know,
it's almost just like a what if these things would
occurred if we wann't a ran type deal. You know,
there's not really any regrets.
Speaker 2: That's good because really it's no benefit to worrying about
should have, could have? Would have? You did the best
you could to deal with an extremely difficult traumatic experience,
and I think you deserve a lot of credit for
how you did. You did well.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. You told us about that light in
the sky that you saw. Can you remember if you
happen to hear any unusual ambient noises sounds before the
dog mean made its presence known.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't really Like I said, it was a
peaceful setting. I didn't hear nothing but just you know, silence.
It was. It was more or less just me feeling
an emotion, you know when and I don't I don't
know if I want to say. It was the brightest
star in the sky, so it was definitely radiating, and
you know, you just I just felt more. It was
more of an emotion, you know, a feeling.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: There wasn't really any sounds. It was a cool summer night,
clear sky, and it was just very peaceful before anything
got you know, disturbed and you know, disrupted out of
out of the dog man coming out of the woods.
Speaker 2: Full disclosure. The reason why I asked you about that
is I was wondering if you heard any drumming or
droning or any sounds like that in the background.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a no no, not that I can recall.
You know, there wasn't literally a plane in the sky.
There wasn't literally there. It was. It was a still,
calm night.
Speaker 2: Until that dog man popped up.
Speaker 1: Until that dog man popped up. And I mean and
as soon as he popped up, I mean it literally
it changed the whole vibe. It changed the whole mindset,
It changed the whole you know, me going into the woods.
It literally blockade every every emotion and everything that was
happening that night, you know what I mean. It was
just a whole complete turn to you.
Speaker 2: Sure did go through the ringer, you really did. How
long did it take you to come back down after
you meet at home?
Speaker 1: Oh that's a that's a good question. You know, after
we've seen this thing and we got away and realized
what we saw. And like I said before, I think
Wade was already confused on why he's following his friend
into the woods because he feels called to the star.
So for Wade, I'm not real sure. I think, you know,
I can only imagine what was going on in his mind.
But when we got back and as as we're you know,
talking about it, and we're just at first I remember
walking back to his house, we didn't say a word.
You know, we were just trying to get back to
his house and then you know, getting settled in, we
were you know, we're questioning what was that thing? Did
you see that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And all this other you know, it was just more questioning,
and of course we were still started startled a little bit.
Uh So, yeah, I think that's really it on that.
Speaker 2: How far was Wade's house from where that experience happened.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question. I want to say, Oh gosh,
maybe two or three football fields away, maybe even longer
than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you made record time getting back there too,
didn't you. Yeah, I'll bet you did. How compromised were
you in the weeks and months that came after that experience.
Speaker 1: So it was the thing that we kind of just
you know, and I think everybody handles certain experiences or
situations differently, people cope with things differently. But you know,
it was one of them things. You know, we didn't
we weren't faced, and I think I think it was
us being kids. You know, maybe it's a good thing
that happened when we were Who was to say, if
I seen the dog man today, I want to be
more traumatized than I was now or was then, but
neither here nor there. I think we just went on
about our daily lives. It was one of them things
where we just kept it to ourselves and you know,
just really didn't dwell on it. We just kept moving on,
kept moving forward. Maybe we talked about it once or
twice after it happening, but we never told a soul.
I don't know if he told anybody, but I know
I never told a soul. I know that that's something
that we never really hardly brought up at all. And
of course down the road, I've told a few people
as far, maybe like one or two people. I've told
a stranger who I met one time, and I think
that was the very first time I opened up to it.
Speaker 2: If you're on the outside looking in, it could be
really hard to understand how a dogman, I can counter eyewitness,
could have an experience like this, especially at the age
that he was at, and not tell everyone about the experience.
But that's how it goes. Sometimes there are a lot
of people out there who have encounters and they don't
tell anyone. So it just depends on how a person
sides to try to adapt to cope with their experience.
People have different ways of dealing with things, So just
because you wouldn't handle it that way that it doesn't
mean that other people would do it the same way.
It's just a good way to think about it and
something to consider. Why didn't you tell your mother about
that experience? You were thirteen years old, after all, you.
Speaker 1: Know, that's that's actually a real good question. I think,
you know what, and during that time, you know, you know,
I could tell my mom anything, but that was just
something that it was just so personal to me. I
think it was so personal to me and the me no,
I just knew it. It's just maybe the sequence before
it happened and before we got scared off when he
came out of the woods. I think it was such
a personal moment and a spiritual moment for me, and
a phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Moment that.
Speaker 1: I knew nobody would understand or nobody could relate. You know,
That's how I felt at the time. So to me,
there was really no need to openly express or tell
my mom, or tell another friend, or tell a teacher,
or tell this person and that person. It was just
more or less coping with the idea and the fascination
of the emotions I had before it led up to
us getting scared and seeing the dog man. So yeah,
I don't know why I didn't tell my mom. I
just I just think it was more on a personal
level for me. I think it was just a thing
where it's like, maybe it's meant for you and him,
or meant for you type deal. Who knows.
Speaker 2: Well, Like I said, to a lot of people might
seem strange that you didn't tell her, but we all
have our ways of dealing with things. So yeah, that's
a good way to look at it. Now that we've
established that you didn't tell your mom about what happened,
did you ever buy a chance ask her about the
possibility of moving due to a mistaken belief that if
you did relocate, that would remove the possibility of having
another dog me an encounter.
Speaker 1: So yet, no, no, it never it never got to
that point. Nothing. Excuse me, I'm sorry. Nothing ever happened
to the point where we had to move because you know,
I felt traumatized or or you know, because I never
even told her. But it was a thing. It never
stopped us from going back into the woods as kids.
You know. Of course, I still lived my daily life
and you know, did my things as a kid. But
we didn't go back to that area. And I think that, yeah,
I just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you didn't go back. I understand. Why do
you think keeping all this under wraps the way you
did had a negative effect on you by chance? You know?
Speaker 1: That's I want to that's hard to say because I
was so young and it happens. Like I said, I
don't think it really traumatized me or hindered me from
being a kid and living my life. It was just
more or less the fact of the unknown of why
did we see this thing? Why did it pop out?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Why did I feel like I was called to the
star and want to walk into the woods at two am?
And I'm just in the eighth grade. So there's a
lot of questions involved in that. But yeah, I don't
think it hindered me anyway, at least to my knowledge,
you know. Or so.
Speaker 2: Well, that's good, thank goodness for that. And thirteen, I mean,
that's heading right into the teeth of a very difficult,
awkward stage of your life. Of all the things to
have happened, I hate the fact that happened to you. Guys,
that's horrible.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, it was. It was very scary.
Like like I said, and you know, I'm such an
open minded person and I'm such you know, I'm I'm
so firm and where I'm at, you know, like I
told you, it was kind of a looking back at it,
I'm glad. I'm glad I experienced it. You know, I'm
glad I got to see and visualize and have those
emotions that we were having that night in spite of
us getting scared away and and thinking that we're about
to die. You know. Uh, because looking back at it,
like I said, you know who, and there's not many people.
I think we talked about this yesterday, you know, I
asked you what you know?
Speaker 2: But why what?
Speaker 1: Why us? Why? Why me? Or why him? Why her?
Why why them? Type deal. You know, there's only a
few people that see these sightings and get to experience
such phenomenal things, and you know, half the majority of
the world don't get to experience these things, you know,
So I think that's a question. You know that I've had.
Speaker 2: Something to never lose sight of, is the fact that
there are so many more people who have encounters with
these things and you're ever going to know. This is
something I made a post on my Facebook page personal
facebook page earlier today, my copyright attorney let me know
about an encounter that a family member of his had
with a dog man. So that just highlights the fact
that so many more people have encounters with these guys,
and we're ever going to know. You know, people who've
had encounters with these guys. Besides Wade, God bless him.
I hate to hear that he passed, But Wade's not
the only person that you know or knew who had
an encounter with one of these guys that you didn't
ever hear about. They just kept it to themselves. So
something to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, I can, and I will say I
feel like people should open up maybe and be encouraged
to talk about it to certain people.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, for most people it does help, but
there are people out there who have encounters and talking
about is probably the worst thing they could do. So
it just depends on the person, it really does.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But having said that, Austin, it's about time for us
to get out of here. But before we do, do
you have any clothing comments you'd like to put out?
There for us, not really.
Speaker 1: I hope everybody enjoyed the story. I'm sorry if you
know I ran in circles or stuttered or elaborated. This
is my first podcast and very thankful to be on
this podcast, and I hope everybody stays blessed. And if
you have any encounters out there, no, you're not alone.
Speaker 2: That's right, really good words, far from it. Well, before
you do go, I want to put it out there.
I'm not sure we might or might not have a
show Friday night. I've got a lot of things going
on right now, a lot of moving parts in my life.
I'm not sure if I'm going to have a show
ready to go Friday or not. But if I don't,
then we'll definitely have one next week, so you'll have
that one to look forward to at least. But having
said that, Austin, thanks again so much for coming on
and sharing the details of that experience with this. I
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, it was an honor. Like I said, I'm
sorry about the trouble I had earlier with the signal
and all, and I'll definitely tune into more of your
podcasts because I enjoy what you're doing here.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll do the best I can to keep the
episodes coming. And of course thanks so much for the
good words. I appreciate it. Yes, sir, I do well.
Having said that, like I said, thanks again so much
for coming on in. Of course, have a great night.
Well that's another one in the books. Everyone, thanks again
so much for listening. And of course, if if you
had a dog ma an encounter that you need help
dealing with, or if you like to come on the
show and share it with the listeners, please go to
Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you do that,
then I'll schedule a phone consultation with you and we'll
take it from there. But thanks again so much for
listening in have a great night.