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Speaker 7: Man, Okay, all right, Thomas, welcome back to the Jay

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Speaker 5: How you doing man, very well? Thanks for hosting me. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Man, So we're taking a brief break from our long

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history on occult violence, because one gets depressing after a while,

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especially over the holidays. And for a long time you

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and I have been talking about doing a conversation about

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both the Blade Runner films. So obviously this is the original, right,

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we're gonna go through it, and Thomas, if you could

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just kind of introduce the film and why do you

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think it's worth talking about?

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Speaker 5: Lady Runners are really interesting, it's a really interesting brand

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and something I don't think people fully realize today because

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it's become such a highly rated piece of cinema, you know,

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and I mean that's rare for a film the guy

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got praise it does other than something like especially let

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a lot of science fiction film. The only things that

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come to mind are the truly kind of art house

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movies like the original Solaris or something like two thousand

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and one, which in my opinion is in technical terms,

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about the best film ever made. You know, I'm not

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saying it's my favorite, but it's a perfect film, I

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think in most technical respects. So there's that.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: Blair Runner was neither an art house movie, nor was

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it nor is it really made by a team of

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what tours like. Yeah, Ridley Scott had Alien under his

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belt then, and there was a writing team on it

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that had a lot of respect in certain creative niche quarters,

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and Philip K. Dick had a following. And I'll get

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into that because frankly, Philip K. Dick was a pretty

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disturbed guy and his work product is divisive in part

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for that reason. I mean, like I'm not saying that

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to be punitive. He was suffering from mental illness. And

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I'm the last person who it's gonna make fun of

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somebody or criticize an artist for, you know, and during

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those kinds of things, considering my own history and things

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obviously okay, but the source material A Blade Runner was

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pretty disturbing, in part just because of its topical motif,

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but also things like do Android Dream of Electric Sheep?

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mind is becoming unraveled, and he's kind of working through that,

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and and by trying to step outside of it and

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describe the ontological aspects of in Man's confrontation with the

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modern age. Okay, but Blade Runner was very poorly received

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and dropped. Blade Running the thing both dropped in nineteen

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eighty two, and they were both later. I wasn't savage,

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but it was panned. It was viewed as this hokey,

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you know. And incidentally, twenty forty nine was. I mean,

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that there's no good science fiction made when something's truly brilliant,

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like twenty forty nine or Prometheus drops. They hate it

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the way to look at Blade Runner, it's really about

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the source material as well as both the movies. There's

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very deep philosophical analyses they're in, but at base, it's

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about an individual man dealing with what the diminishing criteria

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of what it means to be human in the not

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too distant future. And it just so happens that that

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man in question in both films is a blade Runner

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who kills people for a living. So obviously this is

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with that reality of the moral criteria of what is

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the human being. But it's that it is somewhat incidental.

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what it's about. And it's also it's also alternative history,

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and I think that's lost in a lot of people.

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with that motif. That's why the Soviet Union still exists

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in twenty forty nine, and that's important to the story. Okay,

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point of divergence I believe is about nineteen ninety two.

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want to digress there. And Blade Runner world in nineteen

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ninety two, the Soviet Union never fell, and there was

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a nuclear war, and the world became essentially largely uninhabitable.

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on Mars, presumably on Venus, and the source material exsels before,

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is understood that Venus can't sustain human life. And as

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basically what carries the all economic and social activity as

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well as this as well as the emergent task system,

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it's the manufacturer of human beings. They're not androids, and

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that's important. Replicant, android, skin job, all these things are

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invoked to disqualify these people, and they are people from

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being recognized as human beings. Because one of the critical

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aspects of Blade Runner is a philosophical problem with technology,

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and Heidegger get into this in part. There's the memorial

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aspect where there is no more truly either individuated or

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collective memory. There's these kind of curated, simulated experiences that

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stand in for memory that diminishes what it is to

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be human. Secondly, traditionally man doesn't have to question in

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this environment what is animate or not because there's basically

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men and women. Then there's there's animals that are alive

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but not truly conscious. Then there's everything else. Okay, in

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a world of AI and intelligent machines and bio engineered

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human beings, what was once inanimate Adder now appears to

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be alive, and what the criteria is of being alive

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becomes problematic, and even even in a potentially even an

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a counterfactual, whether there was some sort of deeply there

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was some sort of deeply cultivated reverence for all, for

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any and all life that would still diminish what it

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means to be human. Okay, and Blade Runners fascinating him

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because in the first Blade Runner, Decred and Gaff you

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know who's played Byward James, almost there's a sort of

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silent dialogue between them about whether or not they're actually human.

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then k in twenty forty nine, the question is am

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I a human being? And one of the fasting things

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about twenty forty nine is that, in my opinion, and

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I discussed this Tyrrell in the original Blade Runner, he

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very much has a god complex, obviously, but his horizon

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is quite a bit more stunted, you know, like he

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basically views he basically views designing replicant minds as a

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kind of transhumanist way of playing god, you know, more

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human than human is the Tyrell Corporation's model in twenty

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forty nine. In contrast and Neander Wallace, he's not really

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a villain. I mean, the methods he employees are villainous,

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but the whole notion. What the Ander does is to

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stabilize the experience of being a replicant. He insinuates artificial

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memories into them, but make sure they are conscious that

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these are artificial memories. And in the year twenty forty nine,

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in the world of Blade Runner, no human being has

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truly personalized memories. They're all partaking of this simulikra, if

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you will, that's curated by the environment they live in.

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That is constituted by artifice and artificial experiences. So Wallace

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is basically doing everything he can to mitigate the kind

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of horror of replicants having this sort of stark realization

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that what they thought where their memories aren't real. But

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also his entire notion is we've he's definitely searching for

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what allowed Rachel to to reproduce, you know, and and

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and and viably give birth the human offspring, because his

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notion is that replicants need to be manufactured, you know,

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at massive scale to populate the galaxy, because that's the

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only path it's surely obviate, you know, looming human extinction,

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whether that event is is proximate or remote, you know.

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Rachel clone emerges, you know, is that human evolution is

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it's uh. And also the the AI that k as

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then coded into the AIS memory. You know, he's created

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a he's crazy of an artificial intelligence that's coded as female,

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that exhibits all the characteristics of a romantic lover. And uh,

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the implication is that it's such a convincing mimic even

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if it even if this AI hasn't developed true consciousness

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that's that states his need for human connection, you know,

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the only the only shortcoming being that he can't physically

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consummate their relationship. But then Joy the AI figures out

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Speaker 7: The first film because I love both of them, and

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they are made better by the existence of both of them, right,

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a huge resurgence recently because of you know, the tabletop

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game being made into a Triple A video game, but

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it's been around for quite some time. And the esthetics

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of cyberpunk, which is this sort of incredibly corporatized, multicultural dystopia,

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you know, this urban hell hole in Blade Runner obviously

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heavily influenced by film noir. It's constantly raining or snowing

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and dark all the time. The esthetics of Blade Runner

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are really some of my favorite era of sci fi,

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which Ridley Scott is responsible for a large portion of

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which is the sort of technology of the early digital

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era projected forward. So of course, you know there's flying cars,

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but they have you know, LCD displays like a microwave

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or something like that, and everything's kind of shitty and

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horrible and constantly falling apart the vista of Los Angeles,

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and it is Los Angeles, which is sort of an

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interesting thing of itself. Is this sort of culture of

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everywhere and nowhere all at once. You know, you're constantly

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hearing different languages. You know, there's an action scene where

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they sort of run through, you know, a train of

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Buddhist monks. There's you know people, You're speaking every language

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under the sun. And what's interesting is even in the opening,

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when Deckert is sitting down eating the other blade runner

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comes up to him and starts speaking to him in

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a language he can't understand. He has to ask the

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you know, even though they're technically co workers in a

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weird way. This this sort of Tower of Babel esque situation.

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He needs the guy selling him noodles to translate. And

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interesting detail there. But again the iconic you know skyline, right,

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these massive towers covered in you know, screens, and there

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are always advertisements going by, you know, giant buildings to

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style advertisements for you know, Coca Cola, and all of

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these things. It is very much a world where man

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has been separated from culture, right, there is nothing other

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than you know, your sort of index with you know,

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the corporate world, but there's no real distinct culture anymore. Obviously,

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you see bits of every part of every part of it,

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particularly a lot of influence from Asia, which was you know,

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a worry at the time that Asia was going to

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take over the whole world. But yeah, that that look

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obviously is incredibly influential on sci fi going forward.

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Speaker 5: Addition, there was a comment piece to Metropolis. Yeah, and

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I'll go ahead, Yes, And.

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Speaker 7: It's interesting because the you know, the famous and I

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guess it's this is the text technical opener, right, is

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the void comptext where you have this sort of indescribable

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machine which you know, can test if someone is a

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replicant or not based off of their reaction to these

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sort of hypotheticals. And you know, the inciting incident is

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one of this other Blade Runners has one of the

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four fugitives who are at the center of this plot.

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He's arrested him. We later find out that he was

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trying to get a job at Tyrel Corporation. Right, one

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of the other main players this kind of corporate world.

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he takes a gun out and blows him away. We

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find out that these replicants are engineered. You know, they're

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not simply you know, clones of humans, but they have

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extraordinary prowess, right, they're incredibly durable. The line set about

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and I can't remember the character's name, but you know

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the sort of he's an ammunition loader, right, They literally say, like,

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the only way you can hurt him is to kill him. Yeah,

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that's the only thing leon, thank you. And we find

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out basically that these replicants are used for effectively slave

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labor in different circumstances. You know, some of our characters

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are dancers, some of them are prostitutes, others or soldiers

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or you know, working ships, but all of them are

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used for these sort of demeaning tasks. And so obviously

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there is an element of I guess you could say

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like labor politics. Right, that's probably a stupid way to

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say it, but in this narrative you have.

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Speaker 5: Not stupid definitely, where you have.

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Speaker 7: The humans who admittedly many of them do not live

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particularly nice lives, but the sort of difficult and dangerous

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tasks are carried out by human automatons. Now, you sent

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me an article, and it's funny because I read that

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article and he was pointing out things that I meant

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to bring up, and I was going to act all smart.

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But if you've been to LA, you'll notice something very interesting,

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which is that all of the difficult, dangerous jobs are

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done by human automatons. Right, They're done by low rent imports,

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people who are you know, oftentimes exploited, given very poor

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wages seen as consumable. Right, that seems to be you know,

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some commentary being made here, so effectively broad kind of

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the plot here this this party of initially six escapes

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from off planet onto Earth. They've deserted, they've gone awol,

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and the role of lade Runner is to bring replicants

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who are you know, malfunctioning doing what they're not supposed

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to to justice to kill them basically. And so this

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is the inciting incident. Deckard is brought in to you know,

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bring these violent fugitives, and we find out that these

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these four replicants are looking for a way to increase

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their life. We find out, and this is a repeated

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motif that the you know, the the flame that burns

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twice is hot burns half as long. The idea that

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this these superhuman prowess, this incredible durability, this incredible strength,

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comes at the cost of their lifespan. So that is

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the sort of plot going on now. When Deckard goes

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to the Tyrrell Corporation, before he even meets with, you know,

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the head of the company, he meets Rachel, who you've

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mentioned before, right, who becomes the love interest, and Tyrell says, well,

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why won't you, you know, run the test on her,

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just to calibrate it, is what he says. And what

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we find out is that this woman is a replicant.

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more advanced, and apparently it takes three times as long

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for him to detect this as not. But shortly afterwards, she,

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as we learn from Tyrrell, is starting to suspect this,

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confronts Deckard and basically is like, well, you know, is

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that true? Am I really a replicant? And he, you know,

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he breaks it to her. And the way he does,

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and this is something that will repeat over and over again,

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is he says, yes, your memories are false. I can

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tell you your memories. I can tell you things you've never

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told anyone else because they're not yours. This is repeated later,

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but there's sort of an interesting moment where you know,

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he sees her have this realization that she is doomed.

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it's sort of one of my favorite little throwaway of

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moments where Deckard tries to lie to her. He's no, okay, sorry,

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it was a bad joke. I promise you know, that's

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not really what was happening. Yeah, just as a as

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a way to sort of, you know, save her the

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uh and save her the torment of it, because again

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and again we see both with Leon and then obviously

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at the climax to the film, these replicans talking about

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the state of slavery and they say, you know, slavery

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is living in fear, living in the fear that your

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life is running out. You know, when you were going

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to die and when that fourth year runs around, you're done.

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and you know Deckard later in the film. Yeah, I

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burned through a bunch of it there, But I think

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that that is another interesting element that idea of you know,

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what makes you free? Can you be free when there

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is a finite amount of your life, you know, when

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you are doomed? And obviously that is relevant to the

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end of this film. But uh, yeah, it's uh something

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I wanted to bring up.

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Speaker 5: Nonetheless, no, that that's that's essential to the the subject

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matter and the stars material. The void comp test was

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designed by the Soviets at the pavel of In Institute

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and Decord that's and because the Soviet Union mat is

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a superpower. That's one of the reasons so much technology

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is like analog and wonky. And in the book, uh,

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one of the replicants Decord retires, was posing as this

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KGB agent who's his liaison. Because the KGB is a

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dedicated directorate of their own Blade Runners and the US

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and the Soviet Union collaborate to retire Mexas six models

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because they're too dangerous to be allowed on Earth. So

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that's an interesting framing subtext. I think, I realize I

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go in for a lot of like geek lore, but I.

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Speaker 7: Well, and there's an interesting and obviously that's not mentioned

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in the film, but there's an interesting parallel to kind

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of nuclear non proliferation right. The idea that this technology

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is too is too dangerous, and so if there will

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be collaboration between you know, Mortal and means over that

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kind of common cause. But I'll throw it back to you.

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Speaker 5: Thomas, Yeah no, and it's you know I one of

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the reasons I sent you the article by that appeared

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Speaker 5: E really insightful and I read it pretty avidly in

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the nineties and I always felt, and this is going

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to sound a hole key, but I mean, like I

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mentioned to you, like some years back, I did this

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series where on like Twitter and Instagram, I take stills

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from Blade Runner, like production stills, and juxtaposon with stuff

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i'd see on like Lower Whacker, just walking around the

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loop here at night, and I'd be like, is this

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like Chicago or Blade Runner? And like people couldn't tell

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a difference, you know, And like, I agree with that

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instiration piece. Blade Runner is the dystopia that team true

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in a lot of ways, you know, and a lot

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of you know, nineteen eighty four didn't. And I think

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I think Brave New World has some insights into the

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malaise and nihilism of progressivism. And Enlightenment ideology, but Brave

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New World remains very much a fantasy piece and kind

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of this on the nose metaphor Blade Runner and cyberpunk

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generally is poignant. I mean, part of it depends where

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you live, okay, but if you live in a place

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I hear, or like Philly, where I just came back from,

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but especially here or in New York City, you live

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in this weird collision of ultra high tech and ultra

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primitive low tech and this kind of a deculturated geography

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and nowhere kind of mass culture. But then there's like

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deep subcultural elements that are very authentic. I mean, for

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give me for using that term. It's it's very much

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description of the world we live in, especially the urban experience.

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And you know, when you consider it too, this that

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I mean, Blade Runner came out in nineteen eighty two,

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that's pretty remarkable, you know. And like I said, it's

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it's very much a compliment piece to Metropolis, almost a

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spiritual sequel. I'd go as far to say, and uh,

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you know, the parils aren't merely optical and superficial, but

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it's also it's uh, you know, like I said about

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Philip K. Dick, A Scannered Darkly Is and other Really

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that that's a great film. And I mean I'm partial

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to the rotoscoping as a technique. I know a lot

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of people dismiss it as gimmicky, but that's part of

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why I like it. But the that experience of of

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of real parent noise and not really being able to

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trust your own sort of inner witness, you know, and

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not really being able to trust what you perceive as

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and what you hold dear as being individuated personal memories

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or experiences or moral responses to experiences. That's a very

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real thing. And it's not not just people who are

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you know, kind of live in their mind and are

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susceptible to mental disturbances. That's really the experience of living

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in an urban environment in the twenty first century, you know.

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Like I said, Philip K. Dick, his his science fiction

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was almost purely ontological, and in my opinion, when he

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tried to truly world build, he came up with stuff.

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I mean, granted that this was written to be like

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a kind of popular paperback, but he came of stuff

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like The Man in the High Castle, which I think

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is incredibly stupid and just not persuasive, and there's aspects

470
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,680
to it that are superficially compelling, but you know, really

471
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:22,039
his strong suit was onto logical aspects of you know,

472
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:28,119
man man living in in late modernity, and that's the

473
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:38,319
that's the core of Blade Runner, you know, and it's uh,

474
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,240
the reason why the book is called The Androids Dream

475
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,680
of Electric Sheep. And the book Deckerd's marriage is falling apart,

476
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,960
in part because due to resource shortage and and other

477
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:59,880
concerns like structural strains threatening the general infrastructure collapse. People

478
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,960
encouraged and not have children, so Deckard's in this childless marriage.

479
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,279
And most animals are extinct, so only very wealthy people

480
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,880
can afford real pets, other pets rather robots or their

481
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,880
replicant animals. And he bought his wife this replicant sheep

482
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:21,920
because sheep supposedly bond with people really really strongly, you know,

483
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,720
and other animals he purchased for they didn't bond. But

484
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,880
you know, he she can't. She can't get over the

485
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,359
fact that it's it's artificial. So finally, he kills so

486
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,759
many replicants in the course of his job that he,

487
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:44,880
you know, he's able to accrue in of bonus money

488
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,119
to buy her a real pet sheep, and later the

489
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,839
sheep is killed and she becomes totally despondents. But then

490
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,519
Deckard later he goes to Oregon, to the Oregon Wilderness

491
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:04,279
to try and reflect on you know, is deteriorating mental state,

492
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:08,799
and he finds this frog that he's pretty convinced is alive.

493
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,759
But then when he brings it back to his wife,

494
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,240
she finds out that it's a replicant, and he notices

495
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,039
her bonding with the frog anyway, you know, and he

496
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:20,400
starts he basically makes peace with the fact that, you know,

497
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,400
the criteria of what is a living thing or what

498
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,440
does a human being it becomes somewhat arbitrary when man's

499
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:34,880
environment is is populated by the the kinds of apparently

500
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:42,839
animate things and artificial intelligences and you know, uh, mass

501
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,880
produced artificially produced human beings as it is, and he

502
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:50,680
makes peace with it, you know, and he uh he uh,

503
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:57,880
he starts having he starts having, you know, clearly religious

504
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,000
thoughts about the implications of these things. And then and

505
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:06,079
then the NOWLG. Gonda abruptly ends. But you know, a

506
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,079
lot of that, a lot of that's not really filmable

507
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:15,239
and you know, feliptate Dick. It kind of a kind

508
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:22,719
of a deliberately confused style because it the well a

509
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,280
lot of stories open up in media arrests and through

510
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,679
the eyes of unreliable narrators. That that's very cultivated. But

511
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,519
you know, that's that's kind of the Uh you can

512
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,239
look at the end of Blade Runner, like I'm talking

513
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,800
about the proper director's cut, not the garbage one with

514
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,280
the voice overlay like people are mean to repelicants because

515
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,719
they looked at him like racist guys did niggers or

516
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,400
like this is abnoxious voiceover in the original release. But uh,

517
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,199
that that's trying to this is so awful. But you know,

518
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,599
at the end, it's like, Okay, obviously he and Rachel

519
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:05,760
are are going to be hunted, but Gaff leaving the

520
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,119
oregummy unicorn, you know, he was there and he let

521
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,480
Rachel and Decker go, and he's also trying to convey

522
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,280
I see it too, you know now again and in

523
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,480
the in Blader, in our world, like in our world,

524
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,519
what what memories belong to you? And what is part

525
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:36,280
of the sort of curated, simulated psychological environment that's almost

526
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,239
you know, like man made weather, you know, like it distinguishing,

527
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:47,920
which is which becomes extraordinarily arduous, if not impossible, especially

528
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,880
in the case of people who don't have the luxury

529
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,599
of a truly examined life. And uh, that's what gaff

530
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,320
was conveying, that it doesn't what evening is that it

531
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,800
doesn't really matter if Deckard's a rebelicant or not, like

532
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,719
he's not. That becomes clear in my opinion. But you know,

533
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,079
it's it becomes an arbitrary criteria. And yes, that diminishes

534
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:14,079
what it means to be human. But I mean that's

535
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,920
that's that's the nature of the modern condition. I mean,

536
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,599
that's why the only salvation is through God, you know.

537
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,400
So overall, yeah, it's not an uplifting movie in terms

538
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,239
of being a happy movie, but it I don't consider

539
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,039
it to be bleak and in nihilistic either, not at all.

540
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,239
But I'm admittedly a religious person, so that might color

541
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,159
my perspective, you.

542
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:41,679
Speaker 7: Know, well, right, and you know that's sort of the

543
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,559
you know, the the interesting thing obviously, like when people

544
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:49,280
talk about this and they talk about it or the

545
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,039
particularly as you mentioned right that I always get the

546
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,480
director's cut in the final cut mixed up. I think

547
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,159
it's the final cut is the one you're supposed to watch.

548
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, the final gets better.

549
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:03,559
Speaker 7: But point is one of the features, obviously, as you've mentioned,

550
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:08,599
the removal of the the voiceover, which is not very good.

551
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:11,800
And also, you know, a lot of these sort of

552
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:17,559
abstract scenes. You know, Deckord sees this recurring vision of

553
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:21,880
a unicorn, you know, running through the forest, and obviously,

554
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,840
as you've mentioned right at the end, you know, and

555
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,760
this other blade runner is constantly leaving these little momentos

556
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,360
around there's the unicorn there, which signals one that he

557
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,920
was there and chose to let them go. But also

558
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,480
they clearly must be seeing the same thing, the same memories,

559
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,000
which given what we earlier have learned, you know, that

560
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:44,239
Rachel's memories are synthetic, that they are shared by many people.

561
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,239
It brings up that that sort of you know, burning question,

562
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,159
which again is is answered in the next film.

563
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,079
Speaker 5: Uh.

564
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,639
Speaker 7: I think that, you know, one of the other things

565
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:57,440
that you've mentioned right that in this world, animals themselves

566
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,880
are replicant. There are very few real animals. Like there's

567
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,159
this sort of iconic scene in the you know, when

568
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,639
Rachel's introduced where she's got an owl next to her,

569
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,039
and he asks, well, you know, is that a real owl?

570
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:12,679
And she goes, of course not, do you have any

571
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,519
idea how much a real owl costs? And we see

572
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:18,639
over and over again in the replicant's eyes they'll sort

573
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:22,760
of flash orange. You'll see sort of like something behind

574
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,239
the eyes that are not real. We see it obviously

575
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,280
with Rachel, with you know, all of the replicant animals.

576
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,440
But one of the I think one of the interesting

577
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,719
scenes is when he's going to track down another one

578
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:44,239
of the replicants and he tracks down h Ris right,

579
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,840
who is is PRIs the dancer the club? Sorry, my bad.

580
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 5: Nake lady?

581
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:56,039
Speaker 7: Yes, And that's exactly that scene because you know when

582
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,159
part of what the trail that he's following is these

583
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:02,360
snake scales, right, these replicant snake scales. So they go

584
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,280
to there's sort of an animal dealer, you know, the

585
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,840
man who you know produces these, and they're looking like, well,

586
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,719
how did they get the snake?

587
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,559
Speaker 6: Why do they have it?

588
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 7: And it's revealed that she is, you know, posing as

589
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,079
a you know, a dancer basically doing a for the

590
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,800
sake of YouTube a U And it's not shown on screen,

591
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,480
but it's sort of implied to be this sort of

592
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:25,000
you know, horrific degrading act with a snake, and you

593
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:27,760
know he he confronts her, you know, under the guise

594
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,320
of being you know, a union rep for actors, right,

595
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,760
and it's a ruse obviously to get her. But there's

596
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,519
this moment when he says like, you know, have you

597
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,119
been exploited in anyway? And she just looks at him

598
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,000
and goes, have I been exploited?

599
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:41,599
Speaker 5: Right?

600
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,599
Speaker 7: She's literally in like a CD sex club, you know,

601
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:48,119
doing sexual acts with a fake animal but still an animal, right,

602
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,440
And obviously you know that is a ruse for both

603
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,239
of them. You know, she is waiting for him to

604
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,239
turn his back so that she can you know, kill

605
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,440
him and escape. But uh, you know, he chases her

606
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,880
out and blows her away, right, guns are down in

607
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,480
this iconic scene is she's just running straight through this

608
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,920
glass window and she you know, is killed, and it

609
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,760
is this sort of Obviously Deckard is our hero, you know,

610
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,000
this is his job, but it is this sort of

611
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:17,280
that there are a lot of mixed emotions in that scene.

612
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:17,639
Speaker 5: Right.

613
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 7: This is a woman who is by all accounts of

614
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,800
a horrible life You've done horrible things to survive, and

615
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,079
Deckard has been just blown her away.

616
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,039
Speaker 5: Uh.

617
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:29,079
Speaker 7: And so I think that that scene is because again

618
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,239
right the you know, the guy he meets at this

619
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,719
sort of like disgusting flesh merchant literally I guess figure

620
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,679
who runs this? Yeah, yeah, So what do you make

621
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:40,039
of that scene, Thomas.

622
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,199
Speaker 5: The scene Resora is killed. That that's A. That's an

623
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,880
incredible scene. It's one of the it's one of the

624
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:52,280
most perfectly cinematic shots.

625
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

626
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 5: Ever, at least in color film. I've been on a

627
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,440
I've been in a silent film kick going in part

628
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,440
to the f that they you know, I love like

629
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:07,320
ln Scheni and it's a totally different aesthetic and stuff.

630
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,920
But that it's A it's incredibly it's incredibly brutal emotionally,

631
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,119
I mean it's devastating and and yeah it's and uh,

632
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,679
I mean it's devastating for Decord. And the implication is too.

633
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,239
And uh. One of one of the ugliest characters in

634
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,519
the film obviously is the is the the chief of

635
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:31,440
the blade Runner division. And uh, it's clear that blade

636
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,039
Runners all basically become drunk, so they burn out and

637
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:37,719
they don't go crazy because they murder people for a living,

638
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,480
you know, and anybody with a conscience that's gonna grind

639
00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:47,960
them down. But yeah, that that's that's that's an incredible Uh,

640
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:56,159
that's an incredible scene. And it's uh, it's probably yeah,

641
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:58,480
and like the kind of hyper exploitation of these people

642
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,760
and the way the way it's rational, you know, and

643
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,639
uh and especially these days too, because that the kind

644
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:10,760
of normalization of the other skin trade and how that

645
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:14,639
you know, there's a reason why traditionally it's called white

646
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,480
slavery because I mean that's what it is. You know,

647
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:20,760
you can't sanitize it as you know, this is sex

648
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,199
work or you know, these these are these are young

649
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:28,639
women paying their way through college. It Yeah, I mean

650
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,280
I think it's and I'm not trying to sound like

651
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,360
sound of some kind of moralist or something at all,

652
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:38,239
but I it's a it's incredibly poignant, it's incredibly emotionally

653
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,800
charged and and just like the optics of it, it's

654
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,760
one of those scenes where when that was storyboarded, it

655
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,039
it is incredible if that could translate to film in

656
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:50,280
that way because for those that don't remember, those that

657
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:56,679
I haven't seen it, Zora's uh, she's actually an assassin,

658
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,800
like that's what she She's a political assassin. That's why

659
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,880
she's Roy. She's basically Roy. Baddy's like rappy because he's

660
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:06,280
like a special operation soldier. She's an assass and so

661
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,400
she's the sexy woman which is also real buff and

662
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,679
because she's a replicant, she's like as strong as a man.

663
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:15,280
That's why she. Uh, she goes full mma on decker

664
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,519
and like whoops his ass. But she realizes a blade runner,

665
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,480
so she just like throws on like this plastic sea

666
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,440
through thing when she's like craggly naked, and just like

667
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:28,199
runs out the door because she realizes, you know, she's dead.

668
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:31,079
She doesn't get away from this this blade runner, and

669
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:35,639
she starts crashing through these window displays, you know. A

670
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,719
decker like gets a beat on her and squeezes the trigger,

671
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,760
so she's, uh, she's getting hit and center her mask,

672
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,880
I guess. She crashes through these window displays with these

673
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,400
mannequins and stuff, and then like one of them there's

674
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,159
like artificial snow blowing around that pulling off a scene

675
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:57,039
like that with uh for with a stunt woman because

676
00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:59,079
he can't I'm sure they didn't have the act where

677
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:03,519
it's just like crash breakaway glass. It looks totally seemly

678
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:06,679
as it doesn't look hokey and obviously like she's being

679
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:12,119
cut up by the glass. Well, well, she's being blasted

680
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:14,000
by high telebra ammunition.

681
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 7: Well, and I'm glad you mentioned the mannequins, right, because

682
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,360
this is in like a CD district. So she basically

683
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,440
is in front of a sex shop where they've got

684
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:30,079
all of these mannequins, right, these artificial people obviously not animate, right,

685
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:32,679
in the same kind of like trappings of like extreme

686
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,719
deviant sexuality, is right, and she is again, you know,

687
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,280
effectively the same thing, albeit animate, right, being kind of

688
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,480
put down in the street.

689
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 5: Uh.

690
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 7: One of the things that we haven't mentioned is that

691
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,440
there is this kind of recurring as these you know,

692
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,719
this party is looking for a way to you know,

693
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:56,480
remove the you know, the biological clock implanted in them.

694
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,360
Is that they go to a series of different stages.

695
00:44:59,559 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 5: Right.

696
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 7: First, they go to this sort of you know Asian

697
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:07,360
eye doctor he grows the eyes. Yeah, very creepy scene.

698
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,960
He's in this sort of refrigerator right, covered in ice.

699
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,480
He's wearing like you know, basically ppe and you know,

700
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,760
the replicants come in and you know, Leon rips his

701
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,880
coat off of him, right, just straight off of him

702
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,840
like that. So he's being interrogated while he's basically freezing

703
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,480
to death. And again this is where we start to

704
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,960
see the inhuman durability because he plunges his hand into

705
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,599
this vat of you know, something super chilled, pulls out

706
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:37,679
this sort of like partially grown human eye and sticks

707
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:38,639
it on the guy's shoulder.

708
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:40,159
Speaker 5: It's a cool scene.

709
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:44,639
Speaker 7: But from that they get the name of another one

710
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,039
of the genetic engineers, JF.

711
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 5: Sebastian.

712
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 7: And so the other woman in the party, right, Chris,

713
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,800
who is a pleasure model. She's a dancer, I believe,

714
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:00,599
which will become relevant and perhaps I'm, for my money,

715
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:04,679
the most disturbing parts of this movie, but this JF. Sebastian,

716
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:08,039
we learn a couple of things about it. One, ironically enough,

717
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,199
he has, due to a genetic defect, rapid agent. You know,

718
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,119
he's twenty five, and yet he looks, you know, like

719
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,199
a badly aged sixty. You know, he's incredibly wrinkled, and

720
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,599
he does all of this work for the Tyrell Corporation,

721
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,639
but he lives in this sort of decrepit, abandoned building,

722
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:30,320
surrounded with his own sort of genetic experiments.

723
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 5: He makes his friends. Yeah yeah, and it's.

724
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,119
Speaker 7: Very very yeah right, like living sort of like homunculus,

725
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,559
you know, And there's one that every time he comes

726
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:43,159
in it says like, you know, welcome Jay, you know,

727
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,280
talking to him, and so he encounters Press brings him home.

728
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,159
We later learned that this is part of the plot,

729
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:54,559
the next step in them getting to Tyrell. You know,

730
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:57,000
we sort of see that he is this incredibly socially

731
00:46:57,039 --> 00:47:00,800
awkward man and again, you know, he basically says like, yo,

732
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,599
I'd love to help you, but I can't. And this

733
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:06,000
is where we you know, we see obviously, uh you know,

734
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:15,039
the the entrance of the entrance of uh what's the

735
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:19,039
name of Rudger Howard's character, Sorry, I can't We're a baddie. Yeah,

736
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:21,880
and you know, he was invited in. He's the sort

737
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,800
of ringleader of this. And so from this meeting with

738
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,039
JF through we again learned that he's incredibly intelligent because

739
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,679
you know, JF and uh, you know, Tyrell have this

740
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:36,119
uh you know, remote chess game right where the pieces

741
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:38,480
move and he says, you know, you know this he's

742
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:41,440
an incredible genius and I've only beaten him once or twice.

743
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:42,880
And they say like, all right, like we need to

744
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,239
get there, and it's like, ah, well, you know he's

745
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,199
he's a hard man to get and basically through the

746
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:49,800
help of these replicants, he's able to defeat them the

747
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,719
chest and go meet right their father, that the man

748
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,559
who made them. This is a fascinating scene when they

749
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:59,320
finally get to the Tyrrell Corporation for a you know,

750
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,239
a number of reasons, which is one. You know, he

751
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:06,159
tells them again, right, you know, there's nothing to be done.

752
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:10,679
You're burning too fast. The price of this incredible durability

753
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,400
is that there's nothing to be done. Uh, And you

754
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,800
know they go back and forth, you know, he's the

755
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,119
replican is basically offering him suggestions like well, can you

756
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:21,880
do this? Can you do this? And everyone he's like, no,

757
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,119
I've tried, it can't work. And there's sort of this

758
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:27,519
really interesting scene and I'll give it to you where

759
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,440
the two of them are, you know, looking at each other,

760
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,000
they have this sort of embrace and then obviously record

761
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,199
Howard kills him. That scene is fascinating for a number

762
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:39,639
of reasons. Do you do you want to take it?

763
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 6: Thomas?

764
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, that one of my mom's favorite movie was The

765
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:47,159
Blade Runner, and they'd show it all the time in

766
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:50,480
the earliest days of table So I saw a whole

767
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,280
bunch and I loved it. But that scene really freaked

768
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,880
me out. It's like, it's really disturbing, you know. But yeah,

769
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,840
it's the what was that line too? Uh? He Roy

770
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,760
beatdy Uh, he becomes controit and then he you know,

771
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,920
he he utilizes Teryrell is his confessor. Yeah, he's like,

772
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,079
I was a soldier, I did I did terrible things,

773
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,199
you know, and Terrell basically was a man solutions. But

774
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,639
you've also done great things, you know, like you should

775
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,760
rejoice in the glory of your life. Like short, that

776
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,159
is it? Short? That it is? And then Ory Betty

777
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,000
smirks and says nothing that God of biomechanics wouldn't let

778
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,440
you into heaven for, you know. And then he kisses

779
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,920
him and he wastes him.

780
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 7: But uh, And I think that's that's a really interesting

781
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,679
thing because I can't remember what it is. I think

782
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:44,199
it's Second Kings, but there is a I'm a light

783
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,360
on details. It was one of the kings of Israel.

784
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,559
I believe killed his sons. He murdered his sons, and

785
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:53,880
the King of Babylon condemned him to have his eyes

786
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,119
put out, and that was seen as the as the

787
00:49:56,119 --> 00:50:01,079
punishment for you know, for you know, murdering your own children.

788
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,119
And I thought, I don't know if that was intentional

789
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,280
or not. I thought that was an interesting way in

790
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,199
which we see the same way that Tyrrell has not

791
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,760
directly killed any of these people, but he has doomed them, right,

792
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,079
he has created these broken people knowing that they will

793
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,320
ultimately you pass away.

794
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:21,679
Speaker 5: No, that's that's absolutely intentional. Yeah, No, you're absolutely right, man,

795
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,159
I am. I yeah, I should. I should have picked

796
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,920
up on that, given my confessional heritage and my many

797
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,400
days spent in Sunday school.

798
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:30,599
Speaker 2: No.

799
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 5: It uh, that's that's definitely on point. Well it's also too,

800
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,519
I mean Tyrell on the one hand, it's you know,

801
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:41,719
he like I said, he's a he's a lot uglier

802
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,159
of a character and his successor in twenty forty nine

803
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:47,679
and he it's like An the one hand, Okay, yeah,

804
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,599
you've but Roy Baddy is is An is an incredible specimen.

805
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,400
All of them are in their own right, but especially Baddy,

806
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:56,840
But it's like what did you do with them? You

807
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,719
you made him with the knowledge that in four short

808
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,159
years he's gonna die and you basically sent them on

809
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,679
a and like and like genocidal military campaign. So we've

810
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,599
guys got like permanent trauma. I mean, like it's either

811
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:11,280
of you to see you know, like like uh where

812
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,079
Joy saw young man and the youth or whatever. It's

813
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:18,559
that he had an awful life and the women among

814
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:21,559
them or like one of them is Ah is a

815
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:25,960
political assassin slash prostitute, like Chris is just like a

816
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:27,800
sex object, you know.

817
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,880
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818
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819
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820
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821
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822
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826
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Speaker 5: Four Doors.

827
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,679
Speaker 8: Four belts that was only three clicks. Where's the last click?

828
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,920
Someone isn't wearing their seat belt. I need to ask

829
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,760
him to put it on. But what if you have something?

830
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,679
What if the others take off their belts in solidarity?

831
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:13,719
What if I don't ask?

832
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 13: However bad you think asking will be, it's nothing compared

833
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,119
to what could happen if you don't.

834
00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:21,679
Speaker 5: Would you mind wearing your seat belt?

835
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 13: No problem, man, Asking your mates to wear seat belt

836
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:28,039
won't kill you every time every trip, everybody belt up

837
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,079
a message from the road safety authority.

838
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 5: Well, Leah, no, it doesn't have the intellect of the others.

839
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,880
But he's got some incredible group strength because he lives

840
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,400
a life of of He's basically a beast of bottom.

841
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,599
You know. It's it's like I gave you life for

842
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,239
these purposes, you know, for to be used as things,

843
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,559
you know, at the convenience of of your creators. I mean,

844
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,639
that's not that's not just. You know, Tyrrell is not

845
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:56,199
a just god man. You know, he's a he's a

846
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,519
he's not a guy at all. He's a selfish man

847
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:02,719
playing and I mean that's why Betty Beatty sees that.

848
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,760
But then he makes peace too with with his own

849
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:09,239
with his own imminentitim eyes. And then he also he

850
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,880
reflects on like what positive there is to derive? I

851
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,280
mean his last words at Decker. You know, I've seen

852
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,159
things you wouldn't believe, like no queman who believe you know,

853
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:22,719
I've been on board assault ships. Uh, you know, uh,

854
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,719
in proximity the constellations you see in the night sky.

855
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,400
You know I've seen Uh, I've seen you know, I've

856
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,679
seen metallic structures burn up in the atmosphere of alien worlds.

857
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,880
You know. I I've seen stuff in four short years

858
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:47,360
that you know, uh, a great conquer and you know

859
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:53,000
who lived, who lived a biblically long life wouldn't have seen,

860
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,239
you know, and uh, he makes peace with it. I

861
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,000
mean that's that's not cornball stuff. I mean everybody, everybody

862
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,880
goes through some period of terror generally. I mean, if

863
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,239
you're well adjusted, then if you know you can find

864
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,119
peace and your spiritual path. It happens when you're you know,

865
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:15,840
a young man or a young woman. But everybody goes

866
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,079
through that terror. Man that own you know, Jesus, I'm

867
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,119
gonna die someday. But then you know, you you make

868
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:23,280
peace with it, then it's okay, and it's not it's

869
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,280
not scary anymore. You know. I don't want to sound

870
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,920
childish about it, but I you know, I think that's poignant.

871
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,760
And and that's why I don't think Blade Runner is

872
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,960
like a downer of a movie. Even though it's intense

873
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,960
and heavy, you're not particularly happy.

874
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 7: Well, and that's why. And obviously I want to contrast

875
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,000
that the Death of the Baddie and uh and press

876
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:50,159
because Decker goes back to your Jeff's house while you

877
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,079
know that this is happening, and he he comes into

878
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:57,079
this sort of you know, nightmare toy shop, right with

879
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,880
all of these you know, kind of like half finished people,

880
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:05,000
and Tris, who's you painted her face to look like

881
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:09,159
a doll, Is is frozen, you know, among those, and

882
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,119
she she comes out to attack Deckard and said you know,

883
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:14,000
she was a dancer, and she moves like it, right,

884
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,519
She's constantly like you know, tumbling and pivoting out of

885
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:23,599
you know, out of frame, and Deckard shoots her, but

886
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:26,239
it's not clean. It's this kind of horrific thing where

887
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,760
he shoots her once and she's just flailing on the ground,

888
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:33,440
you know, like almost not even like her body is

889
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,760
on the ground. She's just sort of like pulsating, you know,

890
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,719
throwing her limbs around, and Deckard you know, shoots her

891
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,320
a number of times and she's you know completely kind

892
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,679
of covered in blood. And then when when Addie comes

893
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,320
back in, he he sees her on the ground and

894
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:52,239
you know immediately goes to to fight with Deckard. But

895
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,320
throughout this whole thing, we see that he has sort

896
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:55,800
of a bizarre honor to him.

897
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 5: You know.

898
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,559
Speaker 7: For instance, he you know, he says, he knocks the

899
00:55:58,559 --> 00:55:59,880
gun out of his hand and says, all right, that's

900
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:02,239
not fair. You know, he says, like, all right, I'm

901
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,119
gonna give you. I'm gonna give you time. I'm gonna

902
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:06,519
give you time to escape. And so they have this

903
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:10,599
sort of nightmarish fight. Right He's so strong, he's you know,

904
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:13,400
reaching through walls and grabbing him. You know, Deckard is

905
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,800
smashing him with you know, any object he can find,

906
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,599
and there's a moment where you know, he pulls Decker's

907
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:20,480
hand through a wall with the gun still in it,

908
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,199
and he breaks his fingers, you know, saying this is

909
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,719
for each each one of my friends. And eventually this

910
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,000
fight spills out towards you know, at the top of

911
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,440
this building. It's dumping rain and deckerd obviously has a

912
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,280
broken hand, and till finally, you know, he's holding off

913
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,639
the side of the building, you know, as Beatie looks

914
00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:44,679
down at him, and he slips and Beatie catches him,

915
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,440
pulls him back on. And this is where we get,

916
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,880
as you've mentioned, right, the iconic you know monologue, as

917
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,840
his his life is running out, he is going to

918
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,880
be dead in a moment, right holding the holding the dove,

919
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,679
you know, to to decord as he's kind of sitting

920
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,800
there lapsed. And you know you've mentioned that monologue. It's

921
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,239
a great one. And that phrase, you know, memories lost

922
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,320
straight like tears in the rain. The idea that it's

923
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,400
just kind of dispersing into nothing, I think is a

924
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,679
really it's a poignant phrase, one often referenced, and I

925
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:16,559
think that again to your point, like, this is not

926
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,679
a happy movie, it's not, you know, a feel good film,

927
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:24,360
but it's by no means nihilistic. Right, there is the

928
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:28,159
death of Rikor Howard, and this is beautiful, both in

929
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:30,920
how it shot and also that he is at this point,

930
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:33,079
you know, fully come to terms with the fact that

931
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,599
there is nothing more to be done. You know, he is,

932
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:38,760
you know, done something impossible. He has you know, come

933
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,239
to earth and he has you know, pursued every lead,

934
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:43,920
and he has also avenged himself, right he is. He

935
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,360
has both made peace with and murdered the man who

936
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:51,239
doomed him and his friends this hell's existence. But that

937
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,360
being done, you know, it's all been brought to ruin.

938
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:57,239
He has made peace with it. And I think that's

939
00:57:57,239 --> 00:57:58,199
a really beautiful moment.

940
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 5: No, hugely, That's why. Yeah, that's why I push bag

941
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,519
on people who say it's a quote depressing movie. It's

942
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,519
not at all. I mean it's it's uplifting and it's sad.

943
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,960
It's but you know, light life is tragic, and any

944
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,679
serious meditation on the human condition it's going to be tragedy.

945
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,519
En like movie. A movie i'm like devastating is The

946
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:22,159
Deer Hunter, which is a great, great film and it's

947
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:27,559
probably it's probably my favorite warror movie, but I I

948
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,800
can't watch it often because it upsets me so much.

949
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:35,400
You know, Martyrs is like that too. Murders is more

950
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,559
of a straight up horror movie, but it's it's it's

951
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:41,800
incredibly depressing, and Blade Runner is not. That's not the

952
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,880
mood of Blade Runner at all, you know, But like

953
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:49,119
I said, I think this isn't some cheap moral flex

954
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,119
like I mean, suggesting better than anybody or something. I

955
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:56,079
think if you've got a religious orientation, it changes your

956
00:58:56,119 --> 00:59:01,119
interpretation of it's no go ahead.

957
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 7: And that's what I think is so interesting because you've

958
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,519
mentioned this other Blade Runner Gaff you know, a number

959
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:09,360
of times. Right, Obviously you agree that the he is

960
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:14,800
you know, despite being almost completely uh you know, ununderstand

961
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:17,239
impossible to understand through a large portion of the movie.

962
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,400
That's how we would say it in English. But what's

963
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,199
interesting is that they're you know, they're sitting there right,

964
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,039
he's thrown his gun back, and you know, he reminds

965
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:30,719
him about Rachel, right, and Decker says something along the

966
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,440
lines of like, oh, well, you know she's gonna die.

967
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:36,280
He says, well, who is it? Yeah, like, yeah, sure,

968
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,199
it's it's a short life. But like that's the same

969
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:40,559
situation that you know, you and I are in, which

970
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:44,440
again leads credence to you know, the you know, the

971
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,119
the Unicorn or Agami left at the end that Gaff

972
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:50,000
knew he was running and was sort of saying like, yeah,

973
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:52,679
you're like, I'm not going to come after you. That

974
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:57,320
was a really powerful moment, a really interesting one. I

975
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,000
love this movie genuinely. The visuals of it are great.

976
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,800
It's incredibly atmospheric film. The music is we have not

977
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,480
mentioned incredible. I will listen to this soundtrack quite often

978
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:09,119
while I'm writing. It's great.

979
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:10,119
Speaker 6: Uh.

980
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 7: If for whatever reason you haven't seen it, fix that,

981
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:13,840
go watch it.

982
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 5: Uh.

983
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:18,719
Speaker 7: The second one is I think referenced more in current

984
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,559
right wing culture because it does speak to an existence

985
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,760
shared by many sort of sensitive young men. Right k

986
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,039
has become iconic for that. This movie is very very good.

987
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,719
Speaker 5: Yes, political, which is fine. I mean it's again. Yeah,

988
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:35,119
I didn't mean to tangentially.

989
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 7: Oh no, it's important to it, important to reference it.

990
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,280
But I figured I don't want to take two great

991
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,760
films cram them into one hour. Oh no, I'd rather

992
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:46,639
give them their due.

993
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 5: I believe no that the sound of You is incredible.

994
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:53,119
I yeah, I played a lot too. I'm a film

995
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:56,199
sound rag buff. But Vangelius I think he also did

996
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,679
Cheeriots to Fire. I don't care if that movie it's

997
01:00:58,719 --> 01:01:00,559
like I can It's like a whatever movie. To me.

998
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:03,639
It's just like Oscar season fodder. But you know that

999
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:09,039
that iconic Chariots of Fire like piano he's I believe

1000
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:12,079
he wrote that too, you know he was, Yeah, just

1001
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:19,360
a remarkable composer. And yeah, the the optics too, like Gaff,

1002
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,800
you know, for a very early the movie, like Chris's

1003
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,960
makeup that's become not just iconic and like cyberpunk lore,

1004
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,519
like the optics of it are timeless and Gaff it's

1005
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:33,199
uh he's wearing uh, he's wearing like police body armor,

1006
01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:36,119
but he's also got like a cholo hat on and

1007
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,119
he's a got like a top coat that's obviously Asian,

1008
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:43,440
you know, like it Uh, it's just like a cool style,

1009
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,639
you know, like there there's a cool factor. And the

1010
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:50,960
costume designs were dope. And the Blade Runner guns that

1011
01:01:51,039 --> 01:01:54,079
the that the Blade Runners carry, that's this bizarre four

1012
01:01:54,159 --> 01:01:58,840
barrel handgun that was marketed off to the police officers.

1013
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,280
I can't remember what the main effects or was, but

1014
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,559
they mocked an bulldog maybe maybe yeah, yeah, I think

1015
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:08,480
it was as market It is like an odd duty

1016
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,239
weapon of police, but it's uh so it's like a

1017
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,840
weird looking gun that had a short lifespan in the market.

1018
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,079
But uh so, I mean that's like another like the

1019
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:21,679
prop department, the costume department, just like Freeing Kilted in

1020
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,960
this movie, you know. And uh I like close this

1021
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,960
suff so I like that kind of shit. So yeah, yeah.

1022
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:32,039
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I mean we do. We do see as well,

1023
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,960
the sort of like you know, body modification, right, and

1024
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:40,840
it's never explicitly you know it like, it's never explicitly stated.

1025
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,719
But you see these these characters or these you know,

1026
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,079
background characters with you know, visors over their head. In

1027
01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:50,320
the idea is that there's some hybrid of digital and human,

1028
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,760
which you know, a cyberpunk. As a genre continues on,

1029
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,199
that will become more of a feature. Uh, I think

1030
01:02:56,239 --> 01:03:00,800
it is. It is kind of interesting to see so

1031
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,320
many of the trappings of kind of you know, optimistic

1032
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,599
earlier sci fi put in this sort of you know,

1033
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:11,440
we could say post apocalyptic or dystopian world, right, like

1034
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:14,760
the the Jetson's flying cars, yeah, you know, and it's

1035
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,320
funny to compare because they're flying through these cities and

1036
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,480
there's these giant plumes, which again is very iconic from

1037
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,599
you know, natural gas or something being let off, you know,

1038
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:26,519
in this kind of industrial hell hole, you know, everything

1039
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:29,639
looks dirty and shitty, like even down to the point

1040
01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:33,360
where there's a it's just a throwaway scene, but you

1041
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,320
know you see Deckords just sitting outside of you know

1042
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,119
that the house or the apartment rather where the final

1043
01:03:40,119 --> 01:03:43,519
confrontation takes place, just in his car, and you know,

1044
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:45,760
you see a spotlight and the police are hovering over

1045
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,880
him and they're basically like roughing them up. They're like,

1046
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,039
all right, we're going to arrestue. And you know, he

1047
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:52,280
reached out his badge and like, all right, have a

1048
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,280
nice day. But you even see there that there's like,

1049
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,559
you know, despite just the visuals of how shitty this is,

1050
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,880
it's like the police are running like a protection rackets,

1051
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,239
like scooping people up and you know, for bullshit charges.

1052
01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:06,920
And again I think it's just this like incredible like

1053
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,119
malaise and decline, right like this is a dying world.

1054
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,840
You know, this is a you know, a dying species really,

1055
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,079
and yet Nonetheles there is like a redemptive hope in

1056
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:21,960
that right that despite the fact that you are and

1057
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,480
this again comes to the second movie, that despite the

1058
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,719
fact that you are at every level artificial and produced,

1059
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,199
you know that they have gotten into your brain, you

1060
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:38,360
can still one, to quote Alex Jones, break the conditioning. Right,

1061
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,679
there is free will, and also there is something redemptive

1062
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,920
in that, right, there's some sort of hope in that,

1063
01:04:44,199 --> 01:04:46,960
and I think that's what's incredibly powerful, right as people

1064
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,079
who are you know, sort of the victims of generations

1065
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:54,360
of albeit not like artificial humanity, but sort of like

1066
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:57,360
social engineering to people on.

1067
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and that's yeah, that's why it's it's such

1068
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,760
That's why I sent you the instiration article, you know, because,

1069
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,960
like I said, I read it at the time when

1070
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,239
I was a young guy, you know, like a college

1071
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,800
age dude, and that I mean I was I've got

1072
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,000
a bias in favor of blade Runners. It's not the

1073
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:18,159
phrases the Blade Runner anyway, but I found that that

1074
01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:21,480
that peace stayed with me for literally decades because I

1075
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,599
I it's it's very poignant, man, and very relevant to

1076
01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:29,079
the historical situation. Absolutely. Yeah.

1077
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:32,719
Speaker 7: Well, just just one other thing that I do want

1078
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,639
to mention, uh, when talking about this, is that there's

1079
01:05:36,679 --> 01:05:38,280
and this is stupid, but I feel like I should

1080
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,280
bring it up. A large part of the current conversation

1081
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,000
about this, it's like, oh wow, because there's the scene. Obviously,

1082
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:49,880
you know, Deckerd and Rachel fall in love, but uh,

1083
01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:54,719
Deckard does not adhere to modern concepts of the appropriate

1084
01:05:54,719 --> 01:06:00,000
way to deal with women. That whole dialogue is complete

1085
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:02,960
and totally retarded. It is not worth your time. There's

1086
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,000
quite a quite a big deal of it, you know,

1087
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:07,920
because he does some kind of you know, movie leading

1088
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,920
man fashion, you know, push her up against the wall

1089
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,920
and like repeat after me, like you know you want

1090
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,599
to kiss me or whatever all of the commentary and

1091
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,159
that is so stupid. There is nothing implied in this

1092
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:21,079
that their relationship is anything other than you know, perfectly

1093
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:23,760
fine and normal. And in fact, he's basically throwing away

1094
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,719
his life to live on the lamb with her so

1095
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,960
that they can be in love together. I had to

1096
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,000
mention it because if you google this movie, that's what

1097
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:33,440
you will see. That's retarded. That is not what this

1098
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,400
movie is about. There's a really deep, fascinating story to

1099
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,039
be found here, So highly recommend it, Thomas. I'll throw

1100
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:42,199
it to you for I guess concluding comments.

1101
01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:45,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, exactly. That that's what I call virgin commentary,

1102
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,800
like like comments by virgin too, Like I've never like

1103
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,159
seen a woman naked or like not on the internet

1104
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,239
or or in anime, and who like don't leave their

1105
01:06:54,239 --> 01:06:57,880
house like the real dynamicistween men and women is not

1106
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,920
the way virgins think it is. But uh no, I

1107
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:05,000
Blade Runner is. Uh it's probably about my favorite film

1108
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:08,159
of all time. And I'm I'm like a huge film fag.

1109
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,360
So that says something like not not as like my

1110
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,039
opinion is so heavy. But I mean I watch a

1111
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:16,199
lot of freaking movies. Okay, I mean it's basically like

1112
01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:19,800
they have my life watching movies, and uh, Blade Runner

1113
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,519
never gets old, so I and and yeah, I I

1114
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:27,800
mean obviously is the reason why, despite the fact I'm

1115
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,320
not a fiction writer, the reason I write science fiction

1116
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,239
is because it's its own thing and it science fiction

1117
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:41,039
is intrinsically political and intrinsically concerned with historical situatedness and

1118
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:45,280
and and the human condition and missed historical phenomena, you know.

1119
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,519
And uh, the Blade Runner, I think is about the

1120
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:52,960
most relevant science fiction piece I can I can think

1121
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,400
of a dark cause as well as being a compliment

1122
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,840
piece to Metropolis. Like I said, and Fritz lang is,

1123
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,000
I I highly reckon everything Fritz Lange did, but especially

1124
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,920
m that's literally the title of film the letter M

1125
01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:09,199
and M Metropolis. And yeah, Blade Runner is top notch

1126
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,800
man just just a triumph of a cinema. And I

1127
01:08:13,199 --> 01:08:17,199
agree with Walker Percy, cinema is the sovereign American art

1128
01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:19,319
form and Blade Runner is a true triumph of the

1129
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,560
art form. So there's that two.

1130
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,119
Speaker 7: Yeah, tune in next time for a discussion of twenty

1131
01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:27,720
forty nine, which actually I really like that movie, but

1132
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,880
I think I've only seen it twice, so I'll be

1133
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:33,760
rewatching it. Blader Runner is one of those films that

1134
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,920
I actually didn't see for a I think I didn't

1135
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,479
see it till I was nineteen or twenty, like fairly late.

1136
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,520
But I've seen it a lot. I've seen it probably

1137
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,159
five or six times since then and really love it,

1138
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,079
like truly, it's one of my favorite films. So I'm

1139
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:48,199
excited to talk about talk about the sequel with you

1140
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:51,600
next week, Thomas. Obviously, i'll include all of your links

1141
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,880
in the description. You go check out the substack your

1142
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,760
you know your Your Mind phaser has been It's always good,

1143
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,039
but it's been particularly good recently, so I recommend that

1144
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:03,600
as well as our collaboration Radio Free Chicago, which We'll

1145
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,920
probably need to record another episode sooner or later, so

1146
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,199
make sure to check out Thomas's links in the description.

1147
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:12,560
As far as my stuff, Jay Burdens Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

1148
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,720
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1149
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,439
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1150
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,560
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1151
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,079
has been, you know, a leap of faith, and you

1152
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:26,319
guys have supported me. I really appreciate that, especially over

1153
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:29,079
the holidays. And as part of that deal, right, you

1154
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:30,399
throw me a few bucks a month, you get the

1155
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,479
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1156
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,079
it comes out to like fifteen cents an hour for

1157
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:39,079
my content. Right, if you want to pay for it,

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that's not bad if I'm gonna be honest, So check

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check him out again. Thomas Man, it's a ton of

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fun to talk with you man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you buddy.

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Speaker 7: Everyone at home, keep your head up. I can't last forever.

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Speaker 6: Good night.

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Speaker 3: It's not just that his world has been torn apart.

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It's not just that he's hungry and alone, and it's

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not just that he's only seven years old. Right now,

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children like Sammy are being forced to live through unimaginable

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horrors around the world. And it's not just this Christmas.

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Your support can make all the difference to children caught

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in conflict. Visit Trogri dot org or call one eight

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hundred four O eight four O eight Trocra together for

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a just world.

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Speaker 14: A Christmas visit to Dondrum with mam has stuff fuller

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than Santa Sac. On the twenty fourth at the ice rink,

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she's clutching the edge while my little one is lapping

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us in brown Thomas's spraying the perfumes around like air fresheners.

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We do Harvey Nichols and always Reese m and s.

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She gets her brows done at Edvard and pink talk

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about her new face. Then it's Katsus and Wagamamma and

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a handsol and Gretel Panto at the Meal theater. Later

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I drop her home and Mom says Thank you Pet.

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Best day out in Ages. Search Dundrum Town Center and

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make a day of it this Christmas.

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Speaker 4: This is the sound of a superpower we all have,

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sending Christmas cards to our family and friends and making

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them feel loved.

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Speaker 5: Who will you.

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Speaker 4: Send magic to? Your auntie, your brother, your bestie living abroad.

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You can buy Christmas stamp bucklets in your local post

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office or online with free next day delivery. A send

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Christmas Love from the heart today unpost send Love