WEBVTT 1 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:39.719 Can I get a yeah, hey, man, we're calling all beings. 2 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:44.159 I'm your host DJ, and guess what party people, we're 3 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:44.679 getting the. 4 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:51.600 Band back together. Man, I'd be cla I'd have my 5 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:54.920 hands up right now, but Haarah has decided. Yeah, there 6 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.039 she is. Hanah has decided that she wants to be here, 7 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:00.799 and I'm not in a position to tell her otherwise. 8 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:02.520 Welcome back to calling all beings. 9 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:05.159 It has been a good long time since we've been together, 10 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:08.760 approximately a month till we were all together for mister 11 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:10.760 James I and Doley James. 12 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:16.200 I'm the praise his name. I am totally so here 13 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:18.519 is my co conspirator, Hara. 14 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:21.840 You start messing with the computer and then the deal's 15 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:23.359 off as far as you be in here. 16 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:27.159 Uh hi, Harah, that's what Julie says. There she goes, 17 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:31.799 all right, remember the cab you're telling you're gonna sit 18 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:34.359 in until Courtney gets here? Is that? What's up? All right? 19 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.359 So welcome back to my brother who I got to 20 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:40.159 spend an hour with last night learning how to do 21 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:43.359 something that you guys always get to see him do, 22 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:46.680 which he makes look so effortless in Canva. And that is, 23 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.840 of course at a wave soul, my man, money, Nathan. 24 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:53.400 What's going on everybody? Man, it has been a minute 25 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:54.519 since we've been together. 26 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:56.760 It's good to see you guys and catch up. I 27 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:58.400 can't wait to get into this discussion. 28 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:01.719 I know everybody enjoyed reading the book, and it's gonna 29 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:03.120 be a It's gonna be a good one. 30 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:06.359 It it really is. Man, We're gonna be about to 31 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:09.960 get up into it. Hello, Philip Smith, Benji in the building. 32 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.479 We haven't seen Benji in so damn long. But before 33 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:14.400 we get to all you people in chat, we're gonna 34 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:17.120 get to the beautiful face I just saw that you 35 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:21.960 guys aren't seen, and that is at study of U A. P. D. 36 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:32.400 Can I get hi? All right? Here we go? 37 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:39.400 Right? Yeah? Well I got the whole crowd is whole crowd. 38 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:40.280 Thank you crowd. 39 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:42.400 You are quite welcome. 40 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:42.639 Deb. 41 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.719 I mean I can see you in an open night 42 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.159 somewhere in Baltimore, you know, doing some sort of a 43 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:50.319 reading and then getting an applause. 44 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:51.080 What do you think about that? 45 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:52.719 Deb, A little snap of fonts. 46 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:56.439 I could do it. I could dig it. 47 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:58.599 Yeah, okay, you know. 48 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.759 Book right now, Deb, that's kind of the that the 49 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:05.280 book is talking to us. 50 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.879 It's speaking to me, speaking to me the way the 51 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:13.000 crime then spoke to a super Procter and Canton. So ah, 52 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:17.199 So we're gonna get into louel Zando's book Imminent and 53 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:20.840 this was in my opinion, now standing book. But before 54 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.319 I get to my commentary, we're going to start off 55 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:26.400 with money, Nathan. We're gonna go to Debs and eventually, 56 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:30.360 eventually we're gonna go to Montana Slash, Alaska's own Slash, 57 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:32.520 Pennsylvania's own Courtney Marcossani. 58 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:34.479 But for right now, money please, sir. 59 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:40.560 Initial thoughts, Yeah, Well, I enjoyed the book a lot. 60 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:43.599 Lou has been a figure of a lot of attention 61 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:44.280 in the. 62 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:47.000 Community and he's he's dominated the spotlight in many ways 63 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.599 for the last several years. And since he had his 64 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:52.199 last show on the podcast circuit, which was our show, 65 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:55.439 he's now back on the circuit. Before he took off, 66 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:57.960 he spent some time with us, which was really nice 67 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:00.599 you have a chance to chat with him. And before 68 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:04.240 that show, I recall him just seeming like he was 69 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:08.280 kind of relieved and excited to take a break, and 70 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:11.240 I can understand why he had been basically pounding the 71 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:13.960 pavement of the UFO circuit and the and the media 72 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.839 circuit for some time, trying to drop the interest, trying 73 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:20.399 to get the effort underway, to get the spotlight turned 74 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:23.759 onto this topic in an official capacity. And I think 75 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:25.800 he felt like he had gotten far enough in that 76 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:28.040 journey to to take a break and work on the 77 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:30.560 book and finish that effort. And so it's nice to 78 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.720 see that the fruits of all of his labor have 79 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:35.680 only come to fruition and the publishing of this book. 80 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:38.360 I enjoyed reading it. It was very easy to read. 81 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:41.800 I think he did a great job just writing it. Generally, 82 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:45.560 it gave me a good insight or a better insight 83 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.560 into kind of who Lou is as a person, his 84 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:52.439 journey and his professional career. What he's you know, what 85 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:54.879 he values, what he's what he's kind of focused on 86 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:56.680 from a mission oriented perspective. 87 00:04:58.720 --> 00:04:58.920 You know. 88 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:03.040 I think it human him and it also just maybe 89 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:06.319 brought this topic closer to him than a way that 90 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:10.360 I hadn't seen it before. Like you kind of if 91 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:12.920 you talk you're listening to Lou and talking with him, 92 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:15.160 you get the sense that he's just he is kind 93 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:16.040 of a UFO guy. 94 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:18.240 But in this book, it comes out more. 95 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.519 Clearly to me that he really wasn't a UFO guy, 96 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:24.240 not much at all, and he you know, kind of 97 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:27.759 landed into this, and even to this day, while he 98 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:31.399 feels a strong compulsion to you know, kind of get 99 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:34.839 focused on this topic, it's it's clear. 100 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.759 To me that he's not really a ufologist. 101 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:40.279 He's not someone that has read all the UFO books 102 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:42.240 and done all of the UFO deep dives and that 103 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.560 kind of thing. So his knowledge of UFO lore isn't 104 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:48.199 as deep as you know, someone like a Richard Dolan, 105 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:52.160 for example. But his passion for this is pretty clear, 106 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:54.600 and I think that comes in large part from his 107 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:58.360 government service, his service of the people through those government agencies, 108 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.000 and what he sees as kind of an abuse of 109 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.079 power and abuse of of the of the money that 110 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:07.199 has been kind of funneled away into these programs for many, 111 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:09.600 many decades. And the public has a right to know 112 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:11.160 what the government knows about this. 113 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:12.759 So I really enjoyed it. 114 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:15.360 I'm looking forward to getting y'all's thoughts on it as well. 115 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.199 So who want to go to next you? 116 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:20.879 What were your thoughts on the book? 117 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:29.439 Okay? So, as DJ knows, I am not easy to impress. 118 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:33.959 And he teases me about this, I'm I'm really just 119 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:37.560 been trying for years impressed. 120 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.839 Amazing I got from this. 121 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:49.360 Book wasn't in a like or story. That's what I 122 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:54.160 got from it, Like that was the bigger thing. It 123 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:59.759 was a personal story about his journey and some of 124 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:02.000 them knowledge that he picked up along the way was 125 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:05.160 shared with us. And the fact that he did it 126 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:09.399 this way, he has clearly stated, has now given him 127 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:12.519 license to talk about the topics that were covered in 128 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:16.160 this book with the permission from the Pentagon. So I 129 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:20.279 think that was the bigger purpose behind the book, to 130 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:22.560 just say, look, if I had this in writing with 131 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:27.319 that permission, now I can talk about it, and I 132 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:32.240 can just say, having met Lou, I decided instead of 133 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:34.879 reading the book, I wanted to hear him, you know, 134 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:39.600 I wanted to hear his book. And again, I feel 135 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:43.480 like that was the bigger part of it. It was him. 136 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:48.560 It's about him and his journey. So I appreciated it. 137 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:51.879 And so that far. 138 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:56.160 But you know, as far as his journey, what about 139 00:07:56.199 --> 00:08:00.519 that journey? Uh, did you think was something that you 140 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:05.639 didn't anticipate knowing in terms of what he went through? 141 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:12.879 What was illuminated in terms of his journey for you. 142 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:14.600 You know, I think we knew a lot of it 143 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:19.120 because he had shared it, but his personal experiences in childhood, 144 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:22.959 he had not shared his experiences with his family. He 145 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:28.519 had not shared and he really humanized himself for the 146 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:32.879 people who were listening or reading his book. And you know, 147 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:35.559 that's actually a really good tactic if you think about it, 148 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:40.879 because people then recognize this is another person just like 149 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:45.399 me who has knowledge and is doing something about this topic. 150 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:50.399 Maybe I too, with knowledge, can do something about the topic. 151 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:57.080 So people connect to him inspired you in the way 152 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.080 that you thought, okay, if he can kind of the 153 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:01.120 way like kind of phrase ever inspired me? 154 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:08.960 Yeah, And I actually felt like, of course he had 155 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:15.440 information that right, But I feel like he went along 156 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:18.720 a similar journey in terms of getting knowledge on this 157 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:25.200 topic when he described and how surprising that was, and 158 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:30.159 you know, sort of like sort of the shock about 159 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:35.000 about how much there was right that was like something 160 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:35.720 I went through. 161 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:42.600 You're you're coming in and out, Deb, I'm maybe thinking this. 162 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:48.000 Was written by really important people, people within the government. 163 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.759 He went through that and. 164 00:09:52.200 --> 00:10:02.080 Two, hey, Deb, Deb, can you hear me? Oh man, 165 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:04.399 we lost her. Yes, deb all. 166 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:06.240 Right, what we'd like you to do is if you 167 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:09.799 would restart your computer and then come back to the 168 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.919 studio and in the meantime, I know it's going to 169 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:15.120 be difficult, but you'll miss my very very. 170 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:21.519 Incisive analysis, initial analysis of the book. But what would 171 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:30.919 you do that because you were losing you like right now, restart? 172 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:32.919 Thank you? Okay? She in a bit. 173 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:40.159 Nathan as I said, I'm sorry having trouble holding this 174 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:44.399 one in the biggest surprise for me is finding out that, uh. 175 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:50.679 Lou is a Jew like me. I'm sorry, everybody, you 176 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:52.440 deserve something better. 177 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:54.320 Take away. 178 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:01.399 My takeaway is that Lou is a Jew like like myself. Uh. 179 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.879 And then he's talked about wearing a yamica and going 180 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:08.799 to temple. So yeah, that's my No, I'm just kidding that. 181 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:11.159 I mean, it's not it's not a small point, particularly 182 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:13.279 if you have that shared background. You know, I think 183 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.399 that that that gives you another insight into his you know, 184 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.799 his personality, what motivates him, you know, the kind of 185 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.440 culture that he grew up into certain degree, So yeah, 186 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:24.039 I mean, I think it's kind of kind of neat 187 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:25.600 that he shared that with everybody. 188 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.480 And he said he was. He said that he had 189 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.720 previously said on podcasts that he was a man of 190 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:34.519 I don't know if he said deep faith, but that 191 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:37.120 he had faith, Am I am I couching? 192 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:37.960 That about right? 193 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:41.240 Yeah, yeah, that's about right. Yeah, he's referred to that 194 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.519 he has a faith, but it's not necessarily a specific 195 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.080 you know, religiosity, right, Okay. 196 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:50.840 Yeah, So it was very surprising that louis the Jew. 197 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:55.200 God bless you, Lou Mazle my brother. So anyway, uh 198 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:58.480 but now I think, to me, really what I saw 199 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:02.919 was a lot of detail about how things went down 200 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.480 that we didn't know. Like what he did was in 201 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:09.559 my opinion is we had a lot of pieces of 202 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:13.000 his story, and we also had a lot of suppositions 203 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.600 that turned out to be correct. But what we didn't 204 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.519 have is how the pieces came together. And he gave 205 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:27.200 us some specificity on how those pieces were assembled from 206 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:28.639 from soup to nuts. 207 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:30.000 Basically from the beginning. 208 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:32.480 And and we we supposed, you know, what was it 209 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.639 like when he left, and what was it like when 210 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:37.799 he got there, and how long did he actually serve 211 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:42.360 at the Pentagon? So a lot of those things, and 212 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:44.399 then you spoke about last night when we were on 213 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:47.759 the phone, that he was the senior official that was 214 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:48.600 part of the program. 215 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:49.840 He was the ranking official. 216 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.039 So that's why he would have referred to himself as 217 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:56.159 the director. I mean, it's a reasonable thing to say, 218 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:58.799 because you're either what are you, You're the branch chief, 219 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:02.960 You're either you know, flight chief, brand chief, you know 220 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.200 you're that. You know, you have to have some sort 221 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:08.399 of title when you're the ranking person. So maybe director 222 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:14.720 wasn't maybe on his performance report, but it was reasonable 223 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:17.600 for him to assume that because he was in command. 224 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:23.440 He probably palmed for the money program objective memorandum that's 225 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:26.120 where you basically ask for money. But in his case, 226 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:30.279 I think he got money from Harry Reid, you know, 227 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:34.399 which was a roundabout way of getting you know, money, 228 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:37.960 rather than the POM. Because normally what would happen in 229 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.240 the Palm is if you're part of the Pentagon and 230 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.399 you're starting a program, like you, Nathan, they gave you 231 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:48.480 the head of a program, and so you put together 232 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:51.320 a budget with you know, your folks that run your team, 233 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:55.559 probably similar what you're doing now, and then you submit 234 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:58.360 that budget and then like for example, I'm just gonna 235 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:00.919 use as sok as an example, just be because that's. 236 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.600 What I know. Then within. 237 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:10.039 Our branch or our function, like a three T, they 238 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:13.320 would look at and say, okay, of I just got 239 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:17.279 fourteen budgets of that, I like these ten. I think 240 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:21.240 these ten meet the priorities of the command and me. 241 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:24.159 So those are gonna then go up to the command 242 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:26.360 level and so then the command. 243 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.960 So then the command level they're gonna look at it and. 244 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:32.360 Say, Okay, of those ten that you gave me, I 245 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:36.000 like eight, and these others are gonna fall below the 246 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:36.440 cut line. 247 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:40.720 They're gonna be unfunded. There's another unfunded you first, or 248 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:42.159 unfunded requirements. 249 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:46.320 Because you said I have a requirement to study UAPs. 250 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:50.039 I need to be able to have a travel budget 251 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:54.519 to go and engage these different witnesses that have seen 252 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:57.360 these I need to be able to bring scientists in. 253 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:01.720 I'm gonna have so much budget to high government civilians, 254 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:04.519 but I also need to take the different pot of 255 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:07.679 money and higher contractors because the budget won't allow me 256 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.799 to staff ten civilians. So I'm gonna get let's say 257 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:14.360 six civilians and four contractors or whatever rate whatever. 258 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:16.320 So that's kind of how that would go. 259 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:19.759 Uh and so Lou probably didn't get that right off 260 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:23.320 the bat, but he got money without having to go 261 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:26.320 to announce to the Pentagon, Hey I need a PALM 262 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:30.000 for this UAP program. This is what we're doing. So 263 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:33.159 he went the back route. He went the Yeah, so 264 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:39.639 that's a POM. I think it's program objective memorandum and 265 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:42.519 you can google that, folks that are out there for 266 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:46.360 the POM and everybody. Everybody the Army does it, every 267 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:49.840 Marine Corps, all the does it, Air Force, Base Force, 268 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:50.799 we all do that stuff. 269 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.639 So anyway, well, Bunny, because this is the line of 270 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.559 questioning that I wanted to get into on the show tonight, 271 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:01.840 and that's getting your experience with some of this part 272 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:03.639 of the way the world works that I have no 273 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:08.639 visibility to, and that's government funding of these kinds of programs, 274 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:14.240 how the money is allocated or utilized. And then for 275 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:19.799 someone with his you know, access with his tickets right 276 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:23.879 that they've referred to like that, you know, he's got 277 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.759 access to all of these different kinds of sources of 278 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:32.080 intelligence and differing systems within the Pentagon. We heard just 279 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:35.639 last night on The Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford, 280 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:37.399 he had a guest on who had been a part 281 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.720 of the UAPTF, and she was talking about there was 282 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:43.440 a kind of a chat room essentially, which I think 283 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:45.639 you've mentioned to me before, where if you have a 284 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:47.679 certain clearance, you can just get into this chat room 285 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.440 and anything that is of the same level of classification, 286 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:54.080 then anybody can basically, you know, partake in that kind 287 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:54.840 of intelligence. 288 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:56.600 If they have access to that chat. 289 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.879 Room, they have access to the similar kind of intelligence 290 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:03.080 that is that is in that space. And so when 291 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:05.440 I read the book and him kind of talking about 292 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:10.359 how he is bootstrapping this program in the in the 293 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:14.000 kind of period after AWSAP and continuing in that effort, 294 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:17.000 the image I have of him is really using the 295 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:21.640 resources at his disposal, not necessarily financial, but the resources 296 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:25.839 at his disposal because of his access to continue pursuing 297 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:31.000 leads and collecting information and vetting information through the other 298 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.039 analysts that are that are at his disposal. And so 299 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:37.319 it's it's an unofficial sort of effort, but it still 300 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.599 involves very official resources. So it's it's just it's interesting 301 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:43.400 to me how that all works. And I was wondering 302 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:45.599 if you could add some additional you know, kind of 303 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:47.480 color to that or if I got something wrong and 304 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:50.039 what I was just explaining, you know, please do correct me. 305 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:53.559 Well, which which which party? What's the sort of finite 306 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:56.599 question there if you were to form that into yeah. 307 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.279 How did I guess? My question is is it? Is 308 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:02.400 it common or is it uncommon? Let's put it, let's 309 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:04.799 kind of go down this track. Is it common or 310 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:05.640 is it uncommon? 311 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:12.160 For someone of his seniority who has official program budgets 312 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:17.079 and official responsibilities under the organization that he is reporting into. 313 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:20.319 Is it common for those kinds of individuals. 314 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:23.759 To have other efforts that they get engaged in, whether 315 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.960 they be efforts that they themselves are are driving, or 316 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:32.480 that others may include them into, Like they may come 317 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:38.079 somebody from another program, may may come to you requesting intelligence, information, 318 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:41.279 data sharing, whatever it may be. So how common is 319 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:42.640 it that that someone. 320 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:43.119 Might have. 321 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.880 Kind of an interest in efforts and resources and devotion to, 322 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:52.839 you know, to programs that maybe are not exactly on 323 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:54.839 the books, that are a little bit unofficial. 324 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:59.079 So this, this one is a little bit adam a 325 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:07.039 wheelhouse because I haven't been read into things that are like, say, example, 326 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:10.480 the programs that I was read into that were special 327 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.920 access are programs that are known that they exist, but 328 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:19.279 the details inside the program and who, when, how, what 329 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:23.359 where that's not known, But that the programs exist is known. 330 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:27.480 These guys are involved in programs that are unacknowledged, like 331 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.519 he said that at one point I believe he said 332 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:34.480 when he talked to Semivan. It might have been he said, 333 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.480 this is the first person I've spoken to outside of 334 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:40.480 our program that I admitted to you know what we 335 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:44.599 were doing. So it so this is a little you know, 336 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:46.880 this is a little far afield. So I would say 337 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:50.599 it's not that common. But his charge, he had to 338 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:53.400 have been given a charge, like he talked about that 339 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:59.920 moron Gary what's his name, the guy who, yes, sexually. 340 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:03.079 I don't know, harassing women and so forth. 341 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:08.880 Yeah, sexual impropriety with subordinates and so forth. So he 342 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:12.799 had to receive that charge from somebody, and then it 343 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:14.759 was a question of where was he going to get 344 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:19.319 funding from. In general, you have to be very specific 345 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:22.160 about the money that you're asking for and what it's 346 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:22.680 going to go to. 347 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.720 Although I did hear, I don't know if it was. 348 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:28.960 In Lou's book or one of the other folks say 349 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.279 that there are SAPs that are funded where the Gang 350 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:34.799 of Eight know that they're funding these SAPs and they 351 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:38.039 don't know exactly what's going into them. 352 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.279 And that's you know, that should be obvious to all 353 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:41.759 of us. 354 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:43.799 Because we all know that there are programs that are 355 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:49.160 going on that nobody that's elected knows where that that 356 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:53.519 money is paying for it, So you know what I mean. 357 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:56.880 But b Lou, obviously, now the other thing you talked 358 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:59.319 about additional duties. There are a lot of dudes like 359 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.559 Dave Grush is an example where the UAP Task Force 360 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:06.759 was an additional duty that he had that was stacked 361 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:11.400 on to the NRO and the NNGA places that he 362 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.119 worked at and analyzed intelligence for. So that was an 363 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.920 additional duty. And some of these other folks also on 364 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:22.079 Low's team, it may have been an additional duty as well. 365 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:25.519 But it's something you do because you know, you want 366 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:27.920 to be part of a team that's doing something important 367 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:30.480 and you're going to apportion a part of your day 368 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:34.000 to work on that stuff when you're in between your 369 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:36.880 other stuff, and those guys were probably there, you know, 370 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:40.039 ten hour a day at least, maybe more, maybe twelve. 371 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.559 Lou said that he wasn't in particularly good health at 372 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:48.640 that time, and I'll bet you that he was probably overweight. 373 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:50.839 He was probably sitting behind a desk a lot. 374 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:53.400 And now what you see is a sort of really 375 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:56.839 healthy trim loo that looks like he's working out a 376 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:58.960 lot because he's not sitting behind a desk. 377 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:02.200 For twelve hours a day. M Yeah, yeah, I don't 378 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:04.079 did that answer it? I don't know, No, no, no, 379 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:04.319 it did. 380 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:06.440 I mean it's very helpful because you know, coming from 381 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:09.400 the private industry where where that's all. That's all I 382 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:13.359 know is you know, you're on a team, you've got responsibilities, 383 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.240 and you're doing those things and that's just what you do. 384 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:18.200 And and the government. 385 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:20.559 World that that he's describing, at least this was the 386 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:24.680 impression I had, is that he's officially tasked to certain 387 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:29.400 responsibilities and programs, but because of his level of access 388 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:34.440 and expertise and professional experience, he also kind of gets 389 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:41.920 brought into other efforts that aren't necessarily like officially printed somewhere. 390 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:44.920 But their efforts that are that are maybe. 391 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:48.400 Kind of side projects or tangential projects to other official 392 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:52.559 projects that that he gets involved in. And so this 393 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.039 this a tip effort, right that that was a program 394 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:58.039 and then not a program, and you know, there's been 395 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:01.000 so much debate about that, you know, kind of meeting 396 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:05.119 that horse to death. But the the officialness of a tip. 397 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:07.680 I got the sense from the book that it was, 398 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:09.960 you know, just very much kind of a. 399 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:12.960 Something that he was carrying the torch for. 400 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:18.119 He was championing that in a kind of quasi official capacity, 401 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:21.880