Speaker 1: College Football Conference Championship weekend gets rolling tonight and then
Speaker 1: throughout the course of tomorrow a lot of big games,
Speaker 1: a lot of things still need to be kind of
Speaker 1: ironed out. Excited to bring on our next guest to
Speaker 1: talkston college football, my buddy Max Brown on a Friday, Max,
Speaker 1: Happy Friday.
Speaker 2: How are you doing Friday? Spent some doing well? How
Speaker 2: are I'm well?
Speaker 1: I'm well. So We've had an unexpected busy news cycle
Speaker 1: over the past twenty four to forty eight hours, and
Speaker 1: University of Utah has been looking to add an offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator and a couple of guys said no, thank you
Speaker 1: and took other jobs. But Jason Beck has been hired
Speaker 1: as Utah's offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: He played quarterback at Brigham Young and the numbers at
Speaker 1: New Mexico were really good. They've got a quarterback in
Speaker 1: the transfer portal named Devin damp Here. A lot of
Speaker 1: people are wondering if he's going to land here in
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City four hundred and eighty four point two
Speaker 1: yards per game, fourth best in the nation. What are
Speaker 1: the biggest roadblocks when it comes to trying to replicate
Speaker 1: that type of production in P four football in the
Speaker 1: Big twelve next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the first thing that jumps out to
Speaker 2: me too, after just you know, briefly diving into his background,
Speaker 2: is you know, what kind of identity do you want
Speaker 2: to establish with being the Utah offensive coordinator versus like
Speaker 2: his previous stops. You know, you go to a place
Speaker 2: like Syracuse, you go to a place like Virginia, even
Speaker 2: a place like New Mexico, Like, there isn't a huge
Speaker 2: cultural distinction about those spots. So I think you can
Speaker 2: kind of just a do what you want to do
Speaker 2: as an offensive coordinator, right, whatever that philosophy is. But
Speaker 2: Utah is unique in that. And I remember talking about this,
Speaker 2: you know, years ago, seven eight years ago with you guys,
Speaker 2: and that you know, Utah, you'd have to think that
Speaker 2: consistently you're going to be able to get a big,
Speaker 2: physical offensive line. So as an offensive coordinator, how does
Speaker 2: that change your approach? You know, if you're a pass
Speaker 2: happy guy, well then you might think about running the
Speaker 2: ball a little bit more. If you're a strictly shotgun guy,
Speaker 2: like is there more under center action? And then you
Speaker 2: know vice versa. If you're more hey, under center only
Speaker 2: old school pro style, which you know, he's not necessarily
Speaker 2: that way. Well, then I know at times Utah has
Speaker 2: been craving for more explosiveness at different eras of course
Speaker 2: in the past, So that to me is the first
Speaker 2: thing that I think he's gonna have to navigate of. Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm at a place like Utah, who culturally and the
Speaker 2: guy that I'm able to recruit might be different than
Speaker 2: the three other stops that I've been to before this
Speaker 2: either call and plays or being a quarterback coach. And
Speaker 2: is it just Hey, I'm going to take the exact
Speaker 2: same system that I had a New Mexico and Syracuse
Speaker 2: and bring it, bring it to bring it to Salt Lake.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's necessarily the right approach for any
Speaker 2: coach at any stop. But to what level does he,
Speaker 2: you know, alter things as a result of the guy
Speaker 2: that that Utah can get consistently.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you a follow up about the quarterback that
Speaker 1: was with him at New Mexico, Devin Dampier, who again
Speaker 1: is in the transfer portal should he land in saw Lake?
Speaker 1: The same very same question, quite frankly, Max, what are
Speaker 1: the biggest challenges in roadblocks between you know, a quarterback
Speaker 1: who really put up great numbers at New Mexico in
Speaker 1: the Mountain West to potentially a quarterback playing for Utah
Speaker 1: trying to do the same thing in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: The number one thing that sticks out to me is
Speaker 2: just the spotlight on you is going to be a lot,
Speaker 2: a lot brighter. I mean, even as they filed out loud.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of a guy like, you know, when
Speaker 2: cam Ward came up from Incarnet War to Washington State
Speaker 2: and you can see all the talent, but you also
Speaker 2: can see his brain going a million miles an hour.
Speaker 2: Because it's different when you're kind of the lower level guy.
Speaker 2: Maybe people don't expect me to do as much, and
Speaker 2: it's easy to kind of be in your own cocoon
Speaker 2: and put up big numbers. But then when you come
Speaker 2: to a school like Utah, a team that is what
Speaker 2: arguably the most disappointed fan base right now in college
Speaker 2: football in terms of how the season went out. Maybe
Speaker 2: at this point Utah fans have kind of come to
Speaker 2: grips with it. But if you would ask me that,
Speaker 2: you know, two months ago, a month ago, you probably
Speaker 2: would have put Utah right up there. And so he's
Speaker 2: going to have if you were to come a little
Speaker 2: bit of this savior mold and coming off the back
Speaker 2: of in that scenario, presumably off the back of Cam
Speaker 2: Rising's incredible run as a Utah you quarterback. So that
Speaker 2: just comes with a lot of pressure, and with pressure
Speaker 2: comes a greater microscope, and a greater microscope can lead
Speaker 2: to overthinking and just be and in a sense of
Speaker 2: I guess just being a little bit more uncomfortable than
Speaker 2: you might have been at a place like New Mexico.
Speaker 1: All right, speaking of Cam Rising, Max, I know we've
Speaker 1: talked about it, but it's topical because it's still news
Speaker 1: worthy noteworthy that there's the potential that he will be
Speaker 1: back for an eight season now. Coach Witt has said
Speaker 1: on a couple of occasions that's up to Cam. I
Speaker 1: wonder what you think that conversation would sound like if
Speaker 1: Cam did walk into Kyle's office and say I want
Speaker 1: to come back for year eight. You think that's something
Speaker 1: that would be embraced with open arms.
Speaker 2: At this point near this, this question was coming out
Speaker 2: when I was blogging on because I was I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I'd be asking the same thing if I was in
Speaker 2: your seaton. I go both ways, which I imagine is
Speaker 2: probably how most Utah fans are thinking about it. On
Speaker 2: one side, it's what arguably the best quarterback, if not
Speaker 2: the best quarterback in Utah history, at least from a production, awards,
Speaker 2: championship standpoint, And so are you ever gonna like kick
Speaker 2: him out the door? I find that hard to believe.
Speaker 2: On the other side, you know it is if this
Speaker 2: is this was a tough season twenty twenty four, you know,
Speaker 2: does it just drag out if you allow Cam to
Speaker 2: to return? And does it hurt Wilson's production and growth
Speaker 2: if he doesn't know if he is the guy? And
Speaker 2: I think that's a very real conversation that you need
Speaker 2: to have in addition to just the health concerns for
Speaker 2: for Cam. All straddle the middle there a little bit.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle does does some of
Speaker 2: the same, assuming you don't go into the portal. I
Speaker 2: do think there's a world, especially with a like coach Whittingham,
Speaker 2: who you know, he's got the credibility. He doesn't have
Speaker 2: a fan base that is going to second guess every
Speaker 2: decision that he makes, which is not necessarily the case
Speaker 2: for other fan bases, And so I think you could
Speaker 2: do a scenario where you give Cam the chance to, Hey,
Speaker 2: take the reins and be the guy ope, and then
Speaker 2: but still giving Wilson more of the ones reps than
Speaker 2: you would to a normal backup quarterback in spring ball
Speaker 2: and throughout summer, with the understanding that Hey, he is
Speaker 2: very much our guy for the future, and Cam, Hey,
Speaker 2: we're riding with you in twenty twenty five, assuming you
Speaker 2: can stay healthy. And I guess I just say that
Speaker 2: where Utah has a unique scenario where I think you
Speaker 2: could thread the needle because you have a hometown, exciting
Speaker 2: young quarterback who on paper might not leave. And then
Speaker 2: on the flip side, you have a beyond experienced quarterback
Speaker 2: that you don't necessarily need him to get every single
Speaker 2: rep under the sun. And I think there's a whirl
Speaker 2: to prep both as a starter. And maybe ye're shorter
Speaker 2: with that least than you would have been in years
Speaker 2: past from an injury perspective with.
Speaker 1: Cam, I may have buried the lead a little bit, Max,
Speaker 1: because I suppose the question I should ask you is,
Speaker 1: if Cam doesn't come back, do you feel like the
Speaker 1: answer under center was in the quarterback room, or do
Speaker 1: you think if Cam doesn't come back, and it's Isaac,
Speaker 1: it's Brandon Rose. Do you still feel like hitting the
Speaker 1: portal to bring in a season bet is the approach?
Speaker 1: What what are your thoughts on the current quarterback situation
Speaker 1: at Utah if cam and Rising does not come back
Speaker 1: next year.
Speaker 2: I think in today's climate, you have to do your
Speaker 2: due diligence, and I think you have to be out
Speaker 2: there in the portal and seeing what's out there. In
Speaker 2: terms of who who is available. You just never know,
Speaker 2: you know what veteran guy might be might be looking around.
Speaker 2: I would, on paper, not be in favor of bringing
Speaker 2: in another young guy because I think that gives the
Speaker 2: wrong message to Hey, we're trying to develop young quarterbacks
Speaker 2: into into being guys in the future. But if there
Speaker 2: is a established starter, older guy one year rental that
Speaker 2: has played at a high level. I mean, I ironically
Speaker 2: literally saw Miller moss usc starting quarterback last year at
Speaker 2: the grocery store yesterday. He did not say Utah was
Speaker 2: on his list, but like that type of guy, if
Speaker 2: he was enamored with Utah and was like, hey, this
Speaker 2: this could there, there could be there could be something here.
Speaker 2: Like that type of guy, I think could make sense
Speaker 2: and allow Wilson to you know, grow and develop and
Speaker 2: wait his turn for another year. I don't think that
Speaker 2: would be a death sentence to his Utah youth career
Speaker 2: by any means, And so that type of scenario would
Speaker 2: make the make the most sense to me. But getting
Speaker 2: another young guy to come in there and compete that
Speaker 2: hasn't really proven himself. I think Wilson showed enough upside
Speaker 2: that that scenario wouldn't do anything for me.
Speaker 1: Before we move off of the Utah stuff, just uh,
Speaker 1: And there's no way of knowing. I'm just asking your
Speaker 1: take on the dynamic because where I'm at to is,
Speaker 1: since we have not heard an announcement about coach Wit retiring,
Speaker 1: I just believe he's coming back. There's still conversation about it.
Speaker 1: But if you're a coach under contract, you don't need
Speaker 1: to call a press conference to say I'll be back.
Speaker 1: You just show up and do your job. And Kyle
Speaker 1: has been actively involved in the early signing day in
Speaker 1: the transfer portal, which opens up on the seventh the ninth.
Speaker 1: Are you kind of of the same mindset that since
Speaker 1: there has been no announcement, it just feels like coach
Speaker 1: WIT's back on the sideline next year.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I don't know if I'm that far,
Speaker 2: just because I feel like, you know, it wouldn't surprise
Speaker 2: me if he got through this whole recruiting cycle and
Speaker 2: then once the once the buzz settles down and we
Speaker 2: get into true offseason mode in February. If if it's
Speaker 2: like a if it's what he tries to be a
Speaker 2: calm kind of exit stage left. Obviously it won't be
Speaker 2: calm because coach Whittingham is historic, but I could see
Speaker 2: that type of dynamic, especially because they've already mentioned the
Speaker 2: coach in waiting. So when necessarily be like totally blind
Speaker 2: siding the team, I just go to right now, Like
Speaker 2: so much of it as optics wise, like right if
Speaker 2: you if you would have announced that he's leaving last week,
Speaker 2: well then you jeopardize your current recruiting class. Well then
Speaker 2: if you announce that he's leaving today, well then it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: why didn't you do this four days ago before guys
Speaker 2: signed on the dotted line? And then you know, if
Speaker 2: you wait another month and I know, you know Bowl
Speaker 2: game is not not not a factor necessarily, but like
Speaker 2: you know, you get through the get through the holiday
Speaker 2: season and then make that decision. I could see a
Speaker 2: world where that happened, So I guess I don't read
Speaker 2: into these past couple of weeks nearly to that level.
Speaker 2: Fair enough.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I always discussed as it
Speaker 1: pertains to the Utah BYU robbery is the unique nature
Speaker 1: of the game, and that's why I think it's among
Speaker 1: the best robberies in college football. As a guy that
Speaker 1: really knows the national landscape, I mean, Jason Beck played
Speaker 1: at BYU, coach Wit played at BYU, Kalani coach at Youah,
Speaker 1: A Rod coach to Utah, Jay Hill coach to Utah.
Speaker 1: The cross pollination of the coaching staffs, to me, makes
Speaker 1: it a rivalry that kind of stands on its own.
Speaker 1: Is there another rivalry in college football that has as
Speaker 1: many coaches on staff that at some point either played
Speaker 1: or coached on the other team.
Speaker 2: I know, and I don't even think it's close. Like
Speaker 2: the only scenario is that I'm trying to run in
Speaker 2: my head is like some of the sec rivalries where
Speaker 2: you know, if Saban's rocking and rolling and then his
Speaker 2: disciples then all go to Georgia or his disciples. I'll
Speaker 2: go to Ole Miss and not that Alabama will misses.
Speaker 2: The rivalry that by u UTI is but it's unique
Speaker 2: and I think the I'm sure the gravitational poll to
Speaker 2: the state of Utah from a religion standpoint, it has
Speaker 2: to play a factor in that which is unique and
Speaker 2: awesome in its own right. But no, I cannot think
Speaker 2: of a single other rivalry that that that that's that
Speaker 2: that is the case. And in large part because you know,
Speaker 2: we see the the college football landscape. You know, four
Speaker 2: decades ago, it might have been, hey, we have to
Speaker 2: hire a Florida guy if we're a Florida school. We
Speaker 2: have to hire a California guy if we're a California school. Nowadays,
Speaker 2: you'll see Mario Cristobal get offered from Oregon and then
Speaker 2: he'll get offered from Miami on both sides of the coast,
Speaker 2: which I think hurts the scenario year you're talking about
Speaker 2: of you know, regional rivalries having coaches that overlap.
Speaker 1: One more question pertaining to the local scene. Then we'll
Speaker 1: move on to some conference championship stuff. But Utah States
Speaker 1: lands on Bronco Menon Hall. Bronco Menen Hall is back
Speaker 1: in the state of Utah after one year at New
Speaker 1: Mexico prior to that, of course, at University Virginia. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting, Max, because Bronco was asked to
Speaker 1: kind of reclaim BYU glory of the pass back in
Speaker 1: the day, taking over for Gary Croton, and Gary had
Speaker 1: one really good year and then really lost control of
Speaker 1: his locker room and there was a lot of unsavory
Speaker 1: behavior year by players that is not necessarily commonplace down
Speaker 1: at Brigham Young and it's not the very same dynamic.
Speaker 1: But Utah States had a rough calendar year with moving
Speaker 1: on from coach Anderson and the ugly scene that took
Speaker 1: place up there. So what do you make of Utah
Speaker 1: State bringing Bronco Menenhal back to the State of Utah.
Speaker 2: First reaction is figured, it's a good hire for you know,
Speaker 2: a couple of reasons. I thought. One, you know, he's
Speaker 2: just obviously coached at a high level in the region,
Speaker 2: in the state, and so I would imagine a lot
Speaker 2: of his blueprint recruiting strategy philosophy would be rins and repeat,
Speaker 2: and rins and repeat sometimes kind of has a negative
Speaker 2: connotation because obviously you want to stay cutting edge and
Speaker 2: stay innovative, but I guess there's proof of concept, which
Speaker 2: is not usually the case for most head coaching hires.
Speaker 2: Usually it's hey, this is the vision I have, this
Speaker 2: is what I hope to become. Bronco can say, hey, man,
Speaker 2: this is literally what we did at the other school
Speaker 2: within the same state, and obviously the same are different.
Speaker 2: But I think that's that's attractive. I think Utah states,
Speaker 2: you know, transition into the PAC twelve and that just
Speaker 2: naturally being a new dynamic. I think the timing of
Speaker 2: that is awesome with a new head coach, where you
Speaker 2: can start fresh on both paths and try to you know,
Speaker 2: re establish a culture there and then from an even
Speaker 2: more high level. And you know, I called a couple
Speaker 2: of Virginia games this year, so it was out there,
Speaker 2: you know, talking with Tony Elliott, who obviously took the
Speaker 2: job after Bronco Mendenhall at Virginia, and we were just
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, just the Bronco path there a
Speaker 2: little bit. And I remember from Afar and I was
Speaker 2: playing there. I remember being like, man, why did Bronco
Speaker 2: leave BYU for for Virginia? Like to me and maybe
Speaker 2: this is me just being a West Coast guy, and
Speaker 2: I grew up in a decent Mormon population in Samamish, Washington,
Speaker 2: Like I was like, do w I use a better
Speaker 2: job than Virginia? Like why why'd you leave? And I
Speaker 2: was playing again. So I don't remember all the nuances,
Speaker 2: but I'd imagine some of it's like, you know, him
Speaker 2: coming back to his comfort zone of what he knows
Speaker 2: he can do well and what he knows he can
Speaker 2: recruit and excel at because he's shown that he can
Speaker 2: do it. So I'd be excited if I was a
Speaker 2: Utah State fan. I gin it's a good higher all right.
Speaker 1: Conference Championship weekend starts tonight at six o'clock. UNLV Boise
Speaker 1: State Big twelve fans will be cheering for UNLV so
Speaker 1: they can potentially get one of those top four buys
Speaker 1: and we'll get there at a moment. But Boise State
Speaker 1: is a four point favorite. What do you make of
Speaker 1: tonight's Mount West Conference Championship game? Who do you like
Speaker 1: and why?
Speaker 2: See?
Speaker 3: I like gent for the Heisman, so I want Boise to.
Speaker 3: I like Boise to ultimately get it done, but UNLV.
Speaker 3: UNLV is one of the most intriguing teams in the country,
Speaker 3: not only because of everything that went down nil wise
Speaker 3: in the first month of the season, but for those
Speaker 3: that have not.
Speaker 2: Tuned into UNLV, their go go offense is just incredibly unique,
Speaker 2: and especially for a x's and o's guy like me.
Speaker 2: The way they blend RPO and triple option and downfield
Speaker 2: shots and then hodgma League Williams their quarterback as well
Speaker 2: as pretty dynamic. It's just a fun offense to watch,
Speaker 2: and the type of offense that defensively, if you come
Speaker 2: in and swing and miss with your game plan and
Speaker 2: your safeties and linebackers aren't fitting their run lanes, unl
Speaker 2: of these offense can get after you. So this is
Speaker 2: a scary matchup. But I think the physicality of Boise
Speaker 2: State and I'll trustee Ashton Gent get it done.
Speaker 1: You like Genty over Travis Hutter.
Speaker 2: Huh? I do? I do. I think one thing that
Speaker 2: goes like largely underappreciated is Boise State is eleven and
Speaker 2: one and about to be the four seed in the
Speaker 2: college football playoff. I feel like we're the general national
Speaker 2: media is talking about it as if Gent's stat line
Speaker 2: is like RG three or like a who's in like
Speaker 2: another three loss Heisman winner type of guy where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's putting up his stats and he's exciting, and we
Speaker 2: see him on Sports Center Top ten and all that. No,
Speaker 2: Boise State's winning and know by the way their one
Speaker 2: loss was against the game that I'm sure Boise State
Speaker 2: fans feel like they should have won against Oregon. So
Speaker 2: sometimes I feel like the team dynamic, which is a factor.
Speaker 2: It feels like in all other Heisman races is not
Speaker 2: working to Genti's gents favor and this year's race.
Speaker 1: That's very fair. All right, let's move over to the
Speaker 1: games tomorrow. Let's start with the Big twelve championship game.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have that game on our radio station coming
Speaker 1: up tomorrow ten AM. Arizona State is one point five
Speaker 1: point favorite. Now that line's moved a couple of times
Speaker 1: towards the way of Iowa State. Obviously, being a Big
Speaker 1: twelve market, will be very interested in this game. How
Speaker 1: do you think it plays out?
Speaker 2: The Pac twelve guy me, We'll ride with the ASU
Speaker 2: every single time. I think that ASU is gonna like
Speaker 2: stub their toe or lose. Mo Betim. I actually picked
Speaker 2: Arizona last week against the spread because I just was like, man,
Speaker 2: it feels like one of these weeks the emotional energy
Speaker 2: of Kenny Dillingham and that ASU team's gonna stub their
Speaker 2: toe or fall flat, and they continue to respond every
Speaker 2: single week. Sam Levitt's been fun and all this PAC
Speaker 2: twelve original PAC twelve folks know all about Cam Scataboo.
Speaker 2: Now the country knows about him, and give the rock
Speaker 2: to number four. Good things will happen.
Speaker 1: Georgia Texas Mercedes ben Stadium, Atlanta, Georgia Texas two point
Speaker 1: five point favorite. Who do you like out of the sec.
Speaker 2: I don't see. I mean, man, I go back to
Speaker 2: that matchup that they had earlier on this season when
Speaker 2: Georgia absolutely manhandled Texas. Texas had to bench their starting
Speaker 2: quarterback because he was just making mental errors and not
Speaker 2: being able to get through his progressions. I think there
Speaker 2: could be a world where that same short leash mentality
Speaker 2: comes to the park. I think that Georgia defensive line
Speaker 2: shows up again. I think it's closer, but I still
Speaker 2: have that game in the back of my mind. You know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't even like a two score game and it
Speaker 2: got away from him. Georgia absolutely manhandled Texas. That whatever
Speaker 2: kool aid Kirby's drinking in terms of, hey, no one's
Speaker 2: given our team a shot. His guys continue to buy
Speaker 2: into that, or at least they seem to buy into that.
Speaker 2: So I know, Georgia hasn't been perfect all season, and
Speaker 2: Texas got it done obviously last week. But I'll go
Speaker 2: the Bulldogs getting it done.
Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship Oregon and Pennon State Lucas Oil Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: The Ducks are a three point five point favorite. Do
Speaker 1: you think they complete the undefeated season.
Speaker 2: This one's fascinating to me because I'm a Penn State fan.
Speaker 2: Like you know, in years past, for James Franklin, like
Speaker 2: this would have been this would have been the game.
Speaker 2: This would have been a huge game. This would have
Speaker 2: been a type of game that could change the narrative
Speaker 2: of James Franklin and Penn State in big games. But
Speaker 2: it feels like even if Penn State were to win,
Speaker 2: the narrative would not change for James Franklin. He would
Speaker 2: still have to prove it versus Ohio State, prove it
Speaker 2: versus Michigan, and prove it in the College Football Playoffs
Speaker 2: this year. So the dynamic there is just interesting and
Speaker 2: fascinating to me, but I'm gonna trust what history has
Speaker 2: shown me, and it showed me that in big games,
Speaker 2: Penn States playmakers have not been able to be activated.
Speaker 2: I won't even say that they haven't shown up because
Speaker 2: it feels like sometimes it's not even like they're, you know,
Speaker 2: getting those opportunities. I still want to see more from
Speaker 2: Drew Aller in big games. I think he's got a
Speaker 2: ton of talent and it wouldn't surprise me if he's
Speaker 2: a Sunday quarterback someday. But I'm still waiting for that
Speaker 2: moment where he turns the corner and Oregon doesn't have
Speaker 2: a weakness. I guess if Penn State were to win
Speaker 2: this game, it would have to be a physical, gritty game.
Speaker 2: Penn State's got to be able to run the ball
Speaker 2: on the Oregon States defense or Oregon's defensive line. That
Speaker 2: would be the pathway. But I haven't seen anything from
Speaker 2: Oregon that gives me concerns. I think the Ducks get
Speaker 2: it done.
Speaker 1: Nightcap is Clemson SMU out of the ACC. SMU a
Speaker 1: two point five point favorite. Their only losses to b YU,
Speaker 1: and I think this is another scenario Big twelve fans
Speaker 1: sharing for the upset. What do you think happens out
Speaker 1: of the acc before he set you loose?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've covered both these teams in person this year.
Speaker 2: One thing that is not getting enough chat out is
Speaker 2: Clemson's offensive line is banged up, to say the least.
Speaker 2: They were playing a third string left tackle when I
Speaker 2: had them in person three weeks ago, So I have
Speaker 2: tons of concern about their ability to get it done
Speaker 2: upfront against an SMU defensive line that they're all the
Speaker 2: guys that are scared, that will scare you, but they
Speaker 2: can they can be active for sure. I think Kevin
Speaker 2: Jennings is one of the most underrated quarterbacks, SMU signal caller,
Speaker 2: one of the most underrated quarterbacks in the country. So
Speaker 2: I think that SMU finds a way to get it
Speaker 2: done that chip on the chip on their shoulder with
Speaker 2: Brett Lashley saying, you know, we're not getting the credit
Speaker 2: that we deserve. And I haven't been overly impressed with
Speaker 2: Clemson this year, especially in the trenches. So the Mustangs
Speaker 2: get it done.
Speaker 1: All right, Max, Thanks for the time. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a fun weekend. I appreciate it, enjoy it. We'll chat soon.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Ben, appreciate you all right.
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