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Speaker 5: I want to talk hoops first. We've been able in
Speaker 5: the last week to see both these new coaches, Pat
Speaker 5: Kelsey Mark Pope have their first test. Obviously, one result
Speaker 5: was way different than the other. We'll start with Louisville
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna ask you to predict the future here.
Speaker 5: Let's say six weeks from now we are we're looking
Speaker 5: at that game, we're looking back. Do you think we're
Speaker 5: able to say that that result Rick Barnes and Pack
Speaker 5: Kelsey going up against each other last week? Did that
Speaker 5: when we're six weeks out well, that's say more about
Speaker 5: Louisville or more about Tennessee.
Speaker 7: I think it'll say more about Tennessee than it will Louville. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 7: I think excuse me just because I think we were
Speaker 7: kind of going into that game really, I mean even
Speaker 7: last week, you know, you and I kind of talked
Speaker 7: like I would be surprised if Louisville wasn't that game court, yeah,
Speaker 7: all this stuff, and so like I think it says
Speaker 7: more about Tennessee than it does it does Louisville. Like, hey,
Speaker 7: when the lights came on and the game started counting
Speaker 7: for real, this Tennessee team is is legit, right, and
Speaker 7: they went and got some pieces in the portal and
Speaker 7: and they were really good and this is a this
Speaker 7: is a really good basketball team. Like I think that
Speaker 7: that says everything about Tennessee. And by the way, they
Speaker 7: have new pieces or guys in new roles, like I
Speaker 7: get it, but like everything is so new for Louisville.
Speaker 7: Sometimes you have to go through those fires and before
Speaker 7: you can, you know, learn to to kind of conquer
Speaker 7: the battle, so to speak. And so I think that
Speaker 7: was that's what it was for Louisville, right, Like I
Speaker 7: think Louisville will end up learning a lot about themselves
Speaker 7: and it's a chance for them to get better. And
Speaker 7: you would rather be able to get better in a
Speaker 7: win and good performances, but sometimes you need to get
Speaker 7: knocked on your butt to be able to learn what
Speaker 7: you can and can't do. And I think that's what
Speaker 7: Saturday is going to end up being for this team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they hadn't had any bit of adversity at all,
Speaker 5: and that's nobody's fault. That's just how things played out.
Speaker 5: And they weren't tested in any way in any of
Speaker 5: the exhibitions that they've played. And then you come out
Speaker 5: and you play a really good team, they not only
Speaker 5: show that they are worthy of where they're ranked, maybe
Speaker 5: they should be ranked higher. But I think Rick Barnes
Speaker 5: and I knew going in he was somebody that does
Speaker 5: not play the same style that Pat Kelsey plays, but
Speaker 5: he really is the exact kind of coach that would
Speaker 5: probably love the idea of matching up with the team
Speaker 5: like that because he thinks he can take them out
Speaker 5: of what they want to do. And they did that
Speaker 5: really well. But I'm probably overthinking a little bit here,
Speaker 5: But I felt like when I was watching Louisville out
Speaker 5: there offensively and they were not able to do what
Speaker 5: they wanted for the first time ever, you know, and again,
Speaker 5: there's no way to prepare for that until you've been
Speaker 5: in a situation like that. But I could tell these
Speaker 5: guys where like, Okay, it's not working, what do we do?
Speaker 5: And it kind of turned into guys that were thinking, Okay,
Speaker 5: I guess I'll try to create. Now, I'll try to
Speaker 5: go get a bucket. And I don't blame them. I
Speaker 5: probably would have done the same exact thing. But when
Speaker 5: you are learning that you're going to have to have
Speaker 5: a little more variety offensively, maybe get into some sets,
Speaker 5: do some things that aren't just a product of playing
Speaker 5: fast and having a bunch of possessions getting rhythmic threes.
Speaker 5: What would and again it's tough to say, I guess
Speaker 5: it's a guess at this point from what you have,
Speaker 5: from what you have seen with this LOWU levelle team,
Speaker 5: who would you guess can be the two three guys
Speaker 5: that if they do need to go get a bucket,
Speaker 5: if you really have to rely on somebody not getting
Speaker 5: a bucket because of the system, but because hey, they
Speaker 5: have the ability to go do it. They can break
Speaker 5: somebody down, they've got a mismatch. Who would you start with?
Speaker 5: Because I think there's a lot of options, But there's
Speaker 5: also the other side of that coin, which is I
Speaker 5: think got a lot of guys that are kind of
Speaker 5: the same level, you know what I mean, right, I
Speaker 5: don't know who would be the guy that Okay, here's
Speaker 5: who we need to lean on when we're when we're
Speaker 5: down in a close game or we got to finish.
Speaker 5: I just I think it could be a variety of guys.
Speaker 5: But I don't even know where to start as far
Speaker 5: as who would be.
Speaker 7: Ye, honestly, like I would probably need more time because
Speaker 7: on the surface, I would tell you, or before that game,
Speaker 7: I would tell you, I think it's Terrence Edwards Junior.
Speaker 5: But same here, he looked.
Speaker 7: Really really uncomfortable in that game, Like it it like
Speaker 7: I think, and this is gonna sound weird to say,
Speaker 7: but like he looked shook in that game, like it
Speaker 7: was like I totally agree, I'm not comfortable with this
Speaker 7: at all. So like before that game I would have
Speaker 7: said him, I would probably say him going forward, but
Speaker 7: I'm almost gonna have to see more because and to
Speaker 7: be quite honest with you as as as we're talking, Like,
Speaker 7: if it's not him, then I don't know if they
Speaker 7: have anybody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't. I mean from what we've seen, I'm
Speaker 5: with you and with Terrence Edwards Junior. I feel like
Speaker 5: seeing him last year and I remember it because it
Speaker 5: was it was a big upset early on in college basketball.
Speaker 5: James Madison went in East Lansing and beat Michigan State
Speaker 5: and he was the guy. He had like twenty five
Speaker 5: points I think it was or something like that, and
Speaker 5: here he is playing for a bigger program, and yeah,
Speaker 5: he looked just uncomfortable. That's the best way to describe it.
Speaker 5: And I'm just guessing here, But it.
Speaker 6: Could be a fact.
Speaker 5: It could be the fact that these guys do fit
Speaker 5: like they have a skill set to where they're fitting
Speaker 5: with what pack Kelsey wants to do. But you know
Speaker 5: that maybe they're at their best when they're doing something
Speaker 5: a little bit different. I mean, I'm sure they've been
Speaker 5: working on what they can do to get into something
Speaker 5: that can produce better looks than what we saw against
Speaker 5: that great half court defense from Tennessee. But I don't
Speaker 5: disagree with you. I don't really know what you, I
Speaker 5: don't really know where you'd start as far as trying
Speaker 5: to figure out a way to initiate something in the
Speaker 5: half court to where you can get somebody at the
Speaker 5: free throw line consistently or just get you know, consistent
Speaker 5: good looks. It was a It was a real reminder
Speaker 5: that Pat Kelsey's success and I don't blame him for
Speaker 5: doing this at Charleston and at Winthrop because that's what
Speaker 5: you got to do at that level. His success has
Speaker 5: really been dependent upon him in stall and initiating a
Speaker 5: style and it working really well, him getting players that
Speaker 5: fit what he wants to do. But when you play
Speaker 5: at a higher level, you're going to face teams that
Speaker 5: they're well, they're well equipped to be able to take
Speaker 5: you out of what you want to do, and you've
Speaker 5: got to be able to revert to something else.
Speaker 6: What that is.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of puzzled myself because I think they have
Speaker 5: some decent players, but the ceiling I'll just say this
Speaker 5: and get your reaction to it Saturday. I'm not saying
Speaker 5: this team is going to be bad the rest of
Speaker 5: the way. Maybe they play some other teams of Tennessee's
Speaker 5: caliber and they pull off an upset or two that
Speaker 5: could happen. It's early. However, it really hit me that, man,
Speaker 5: the ceiling for this group, I'm not really sure how
Speaker 5: high it is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know one of the things that
Speaker 7: and look, they played against a team that was probably
Speaker 7: a really bad matchup for them, yep, because Tennessee outside
Speaker 7: as a kai ziggler can switch at every position and
Speaker 7: you can't beat that guy off the bounce and ze
Speaker 7: kai ziggler doesn't allow himself to get screened. Like when
Speaker 7: Tennessee was locked in defensively, they could switch anywhere on
Speaker 7: the court and they were good.
Speaker 5: They're so physical too, and you.
Speaker 7: Weren't gonna beat them. And you know, Pat Kelsey wants
Speaker 7: Louisville to pass up a good shot, you know, good
Speaker 7: for great and good wasn't there, and and they could
Speaker 7: they never could find great. I mean, how many times
Speaker 7: did we see a contested three get blocked and then
Speaker 7: lead to transition the other the other way? On Saturday,
Speaker 7: like Louisville was, Louisville was frustrated with the physicality and
Speaker 7: with the athleticism that they were going up against in Tennessee,
Speaker 7: and they just didn't know how to react. Now, I
Speaker 7: think that eventually this you have to learn how to
Speaker 7: react to that, right, Like you have to to be
Speaker 7: able to deal with that. And the reason why we
Speaker 7: saw one on one place, the reason why we saw
Speaker 7: guys almost dribbling the air out of the ball was
Speaker 7: because I think they just kind of reverted like, Hey,
Speaker 7: I'm just I'm uncomfortable, so I'm gonna revert. And that's
Speaker 7: definitely not the way to go. And Pat Kelsey even
Speaker 7: mentioned it and game news conference, and when you're in
Speaker 7: that kind of a game for the first time, a
Speaker 7: new guy that you've never been at this moment before,
Speaker 7: I think that's natural, Like that's the natural thing. And
Speaker 7: so that's why I think Louisville will get better and
Speaker 7: they'll learn from that because that's an experience that they felt.
Speaker 7: Now you have to grow from that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Pat Kelsey will will die trying as
Speaker 5: far as figuring out what he can do to get
Speaker 5: it fixed to where they're not in that situation again.
Speaker 5: But the more the more time that passes since Saturday afternoon,
Speaker 5: it really is just a reminder that there was really
Speaker 5: no way to one know how they were going to
Speaker 5: do in that game. And for those guys on the
Speaker 5: floor and the coaches. I mean, they're they're kind of
Speaker 5: finding out in real time and there's no way to
Speaker 5: put a plan together, you know, there's no They've never
Speaker 5: been through any level of being challenged and it gets
Speaker 5: that's nobody's fault. That's just how the schedule had played out.
Speaker 5: So the ten day break is is probably not a
Speaker 5: go ahead.
Speaker 7: The two most comfortable people on the floor for Louisville
Speaker 7: we're Nobel Waterman and Rain Smith, and I don't even
Speaker 7: think it was close.
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Speaker 7: Definitely rain Smith and Waterman in the first half, and
Speaker 7: then I really didn't think he got much run in
Speaker 7: the second half, Like, I think he had ten points
Speaker 7: at halftime, and I think that's what he ended up
Speaker 7: finishing with. But like Waterman looked pretty you know, because
Speaker 7: you know where they were beforehand. They were kind of
Speaker 7: roll guys, right and so like so moving the ball
Speaker 7: and being match and see your things. Like for them,
Speaker 7: it just that that's it, and so I thought they
Speaker 7: were comfortable. Now, I will say this if if you're
Speaker 7: Louisville and Rain Smith has taken the amount of shots
Speaker 7: that he took against Tennessee on a game by game basis,
Speaker 7: like you know, and because he's a terrific shooter, but
Speaker 7: if he's that guy taking those kind of shots, I
Speaker 7: think you've got bigger.
Speaker 5: Problems, no doubt. I think he's gonna have the green
Speaker 5: light for sure. But yes, guys that you feel like
Speaker 5: you would want taking many more shots than him just couldn't.
Speaker 5: I mean, they would have to just throw up prayers
Speaker 5: because that's how easy they were to defend at times,
Speaker 5: which that was That's what really stood out to me.
Speaker 5: And again I'm with you. I think in the end
Speaker 5: we'll think that that that result was more about Tennessee
Speaker 5: than anything else. But as far as how they would
Speaker 5: go it like if they were going to play again
Speaker 5: in two weeks. I mean, Pat Kelsey's the one making
Speaker 5: millions of dollars to figure it out. But I don't
Speaker 5: even really know what you would do. You know, again,
Speaker 5: you got to try different things and see what works.
Speaker 5: But clearly I wasn't working for him on Saturdays. Switch
Speaker 5: gears here to the Kentucky Dukee game. Obviously a big
Speaker 5: win for Mark Pope. I don't think you can overstate
Speaker 5: how phenomenal that was for Kentucky. Everybody involved, their fans,
Speaker 5: obviously the players and Mark Pope himself. I mean, I
Speaker 5: don't want to act like they didn't play well.
Speaker 6: They did.
Speaker 5: They beat Duke.
Speaker 6: But what would be.
Speaker 5: More encouraging than anything if I was a Kentucky fan
Speaker 5: was that I don't think that they did anything crazy.
Speaker 5: There wasn't some scenario in the game that played out
Speaker 5: to where you're like, well, we'll never do that again.
Speaker 5: I mean, Jackson Robinson didn't even show up seemingly and
Speaker 5: they still were able to hold on and beat a
Speaker 5: really talented Duke team. I mean, if you're a Kentucky
Speaker 5: fan and you're Mark Pope, you got to feel really,
Speaker 5: really good about where you are right now. That was
Speaker 5: a great way to get that era started.
Speaker 7: You know what was the most impressive thing for me
Speaker 7: watching that performance? And you know, it's easy to compare
Speaker 7: like Louisville Kentucky at this point, right because they have
Speaker 7: new coaches, they have all their rosters are just transfers,
Speaker 7: you know, like a whole a bunch of new guys.
Speaker 7: And remember how we even talked about like, look like
Speaker 7: they got Louisville got punched in the mouth and they
Speaker 7: didn't really react the right way. And and I think
Speaker 7: and in some part it's because they haven't been together
Speaker 7: as a group to kind of go through that. And
Speaker 7: and that's understandable. Well, the most impressive thing is is
Speaker 7: in the first half, you know, do punched Kentucky in
Speaker 7: the mouth with their physicality and getting into pain and
Speaker 7: kind of bully them, bully them, and we're and and
Speaker 7: we're playing harder. And in the second half, you know, Kentucky,
Speaker 7: you know, they they kind of forged up. And Mark
Speaker 7: Pope even talked about it in the postgame press conference.
Speaker 7: You know, it's in those moments it's easy to get
Speaker 7: away from the huddle. Our guys got dialed in even
Speaker 7: deeper into the huddle, and so like, I think that
Speaker 7: they came together and they stayed together, and.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't know that they're all new together, right Like,
Speaker 5: you would not know that that's a group that's never
Speaker 5: played a game together until a few weeks ago.
Speaker 7: And for me, I thought that was the most impressive
Speaker 7: interesting thing that probably came out of that game. And
Speaker 7: right like, they probably didn't like, I don't think they
Speaker 7: played bad offensively, I don't think they played good. Like
Speaker 7: they missed a ton of shots and open shots, and
Speaker 7: they missed some layups and you know, like they weren't perfect.
Speaker 7: They didn't beat Duke by just getting hot and lighting
Speaker 7: up the nets. They beat them. They beat Duke in
Speaker 7: the second half by like just scratching and clawing and
Speaker 7: defending their tails off and you know, like almost out
Speaker 7: hustling this team and making the key the key plays
Speaker 7: in the stretches when they mattered. Most like, that's how
Speaker 7: they won. And for you know, a coach that's known
Speaker 7: for like this, this wide open offense and everything that
Speaker 7: kind of comes with that, and your best offensive player
Speaker 7: not kind of answering the bell in that particular game,
Speaker 7: Like I think it speaks volumes, and by the way,
Speaker 7: they still scored seventy seven points.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there was just about I mean, other
Speaker 5: than Jackson Robinson, who really just never got to go
Speaker 5: and played a lot of minutes, just never really I mean,
Speaker 5: he didn't he didn't do anything to really hurt him.
Speaker 5: He just kind of was out there. But it didn't
Speaker 5: It wasn't something you noticed a whole lot because Kentucky,
Speaker 5: as you mentioned, when they that run that Duke had early,
Speaker 5: they got up maybe twelve thirteen, and then it quickly
Speaker 5: was down to six, and then from then on it
Speaker 5: was just a back and forth game. But I feel
Speaker 5: like every everybody who played legitimate minutes in that game,
Speaker 5: outside of Robinson, there was a moment where they did something.
Speaker 5: Rather it be getting a steal, knocking down an unexpected three,
Speaker 5: getting a rebound. I mean, even Crease off the bench.
Speaker 5: He only scored two threes, but man, they were huge
Speaker 5: at the time that they made him. It was like,
Speaker 5: you know, everybody was ready, not not bothered by the moment.
Speaker 5: They were unfazed. And that's that's what you would expect
Speaker 5: from a group that is a lot of veterans. But
Speaker 5: it's one thing to, you know, to do it at
Speaker 5: a different level. It's one thing to do it when
Speaker 5: you have a different role at your previous school. But yeah,
Speaker 5: that I would have if you if you told me
Speaker 5: ahead of time that you know this Kentucky team and
Speaker 5: they've been playing together for years, you know they're there, balanced,
Speaker 5: they're deep, They've got a lot of different ways to
Speaker 5: beat you.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: And then I watched that game, I would I would
Speaker 5: have believed it. So Mark Pope seems to really be
Speaker 5: getting a lot of praise, and he deserves it. I
Speaker 5: don't know if you could think of a guy at
Speaker 5: a job like that in his first big test, to
Speaker 5: to have his team play that well. Obviously there's a
Speaker 5: lot of ball left to be played. Duke's gonna get better.
Speaker 5: They're young, but I can get why Big Blue Nation
Speaker 5: is feeling the way they're feeling right now. That's that
Speaker 5: was the hell of a win for him.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, and and it seems like, uh, you know,
Speaker 7: he talked again to day and it just seems like,
Speaker 7: you know, they're not they're not going to be phased
Speaker 7: by the by the praise they've gotten in the last
Speaker 7: two games. I mean, that's the least you know, the
Speaker 7: kind of message that he wanted to send that Look,
Speaker 7: this is it's a marathon to get to the NCAA
Speaker 7: tournament and you've got to continue to grow and and
Speaker 7: to be honest, like, you know, they've got a they've
Speaker 7: got a decent non conference schedule that they're gonna play,
Speaker 7: you know, going out to Gonzagen and a couple other places.
Speaker 7: And then I'm so the SEC this year is no joke.
Speaker 7: And and so like when you look at it, like
Speaker 7: they've they're gonna have their challenges, they're going to get better,
Speaker 7: but you know everybody else is going to get better
Speaker 7: as well. But you know, for a for a new
Speaker 7: coaching staff and a completely new roster, I think you
Speaker 7: have to like where they're starting from.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, I don't know, I mean, how
Speaker 5: much higher the ceiling is for this group because most
Speaker 5: of these veterans are probably you know, pretty much going
Speaker 5: to be who they are. But if they keep playing
Speaker 5: like that and then Jackson Robinson does what everybody knows
Speaker 5: he can do, that's where I mean you got to
Speaker 5: feel like the ceiling's pretty high for this for this
Speaker 5: Kentucky team. Now you mentioned the SEC. If you haven't
Speaker 5: I totally get it, but I'm just curious. Have you
Speaker 5: watched any of Arkansas yet?
Speaker 7: I have not watched. I have not watched Arkansas. I
Speaker 7: think the only other se the only two SEC teams
Speaker 7: that I've that I've watched outside of Kentucky. To be
Speaker 7: honest with you, I watched the Auburn Houston game. Uh
Speaker 7: the game. Then I obviously watched Tennessee.
Speaker 5: So with our Arkansas, I thought with Cala Perry and
Speaker 5: again it's it's early. Who knows he's still bringing in
Speaker 5: elite freshman. I think he landed one in the last
Speaker 5: couple of days, but I think you're gonna get at
Speaker 5: Arkansas the same exact col that towards the end. Just
Speaker 5: really it wasn't working. His style of play is becoming archaic, seemingly.
Speaker 5: You know, he's I mean, I don't want to say
Speaker 5: he's not he's not energized, but like I felt like
Speaker 5: the scenario where he goes to Arkansas and he really
Speaker 5: kills it and makes Kentucky fans wish that they still
Speaker 5: had him would be if he reinvented himself or he
Speaker 5: was just re energized and really started to change a
Speaker 5: lot of things and he could get away with doing
Speaker 5: it because he wouldn't be proving they're wrong. He's in
Speaker 5: a new place and he's you know, but I'm telling you,
Speaker 5: listening to him after his press after his games, in
Speaker 5: those press conferences, watching them play. They were down to
Speaker 5: Troy last night, I kind of feel like it's there's
Speaker 5: a better chance of it going worse at Arkansas than
Speaker 5: it did at Kentucky. Now, again two different standards. Arkansas
Speaker 5: is a good basketball school, no doubt. Musselman was a
Speaker 5: reminder that they do care about hoops. But the breakup
Speaker 5: Kentucky's winning it in a major way right now.
Speaker 7: Now. I have seen some of his pressers that he's
Speaker 7: that he's had sounds like a lunatic kid. Well you
Speaker 7: know that that all like he's playing the hits. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and those things work when you're winning at a high level.
Speaker 7: And early on at Kentucky he was winning at a
Speaker 7: high level.
Speaker 5: And yeah, those aren't hits anymore the last few years,
Speaker 5: like they're not there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're they're not hits anymore. There's not anything they
Speaker 7: want to play. And by the way, you know, the
Speaker 7: guy who came up with the offense that they ran
Speaker 7: last year with with all that talent that they had.
Speaker 7: John Welch, he didn't go with him to Arkansas. You know,
Speaker 7: he's a he's at Presno right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he was gonna he was gone even if
Speaker 5: Cal stayed, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he left the staff, and so you know, he's
Speaker 7: he's got the pretty much almost the same.
Speaker 5: Staff figured out Ken Antiguo.
Speaker 7: And Kenny Pains there. But you got Chin Coleman and
Speaker 7: a couple of those other guys that went with him
Speaker 7: there and his son. So I mean, like it's going
Speaker 7: to be the same thing. Like it there is no difference,
Speaker 7: and so I just you know, I don't know where
Speaker 7: the attention to detail is. Like he loves he loves recruiting.
Speaker 7: He's still going to get top flight talent there. But
Speaker 7: what's he gonna do with that top flight talent? You know,
Speaker 7: It's it's early in the season, but right now, like
Speaker 7: I know, I didn't watch the game, I knew they
Speaker 7: were down one at the half to Troy last night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not a good Troy team either.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yes, again, no doubt Kentucky went in the break up
Speaker 5: in the early stages here, all right, real quick. Louisville
Speaker 5: Stanford on Saturday, Louisville coming off obviously a monster victory
Speaker 5: against Clemson. They had the bye week, They're playing the
Speaker 5: worst team in the ACC twenty point favorites. I mean,
Speaker 5: I would expect him to take care of business and
Speaker 5: and get their seventh win on Saturday. Obviously, anything can happen,
Speaker 5: But what do you I mean, it just feels weird
Speaker 5: knowing that they're going to Stanford the Bay Area to
Speaker 5: play a conference game this late in the year against
Speaker 5: such a bad team. I mean, it just feels like
Speaker 5: a wasted time, to be honest with you.
Speaker 7: Oh, I mean, look, I mean, all this stuff is fine,
Speaker 7: but you know how these things have worked out with
Speaker 7: conferences like Oregon and the Big Ten and all that stuff, Like,
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Speaker 7: But I mean it is what it is. But for
Speaker 7: louisvill football, like you go out there, you take care
Speaker 7: of business on the on the West coast, even though
Speaker 7: you know the semi truck had to leave last night
Speaker 7: for a forty weeks saw that, Like it's just insane,
Speaker 7: but you need to be able to take care of business.
Speaker 7: And just you know, you you don't control your own destiny.
Speaker 7: You just you're hoping to kind of keep your you know,
Speaker 7: yourself alive for some stuff when it comes to postseason play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think if they if they can get
Speaker 5: a good start, which that's been an issue for him
Speaker 5: this year, but they do have momentum right now. They
Speaker 5: really turned it around, I feel like at halftime against
Speaker 5: Boston College and they were able to carry that that
Speaker 5: over to Clemson and it definitely paid off in a
Speaker 5: major way. And wouldn't shock me if they get off
Speaker 5: to a good start early and it really just turns
Speaker 5: into a beatdown, which not that that would really prove
Speaker 5: a whole lot, but Louisville hasn't really been in that situation,
Speaker 5: and in fact the Clempson game shouldn't have been as
Speaker 5: close as it was as far as the score. It's
Speaker 5: wild to say that that actually probably was their most
Speaker 5: convincing win this year when it comes to playing you know,
Speaker 5: legitimate comp tians. So a little later than a lot
Speaker 5: of people would would have liked to see, but they
Speaker 5: certainly have some momentum here as they are rounding out
Speaker 5: the rounding out the regular season. But Kent, it's always
Speaker 5: appreciate you making time for us. Always enjoy the conversation.
Speaker 5: Keep up the great work at WHAS eleven and we'll
Speaker 5: talk sooner.
Speaker 7: Brother, Hi, buddy, this was fun.
Speaker 5: Thank you, no doubt, Ken Spencer. WHAS eleven always fun,
Speaker 5: good stuff. Love our chats with Kent. Let's take a
Speaker 5: quick break. We'll come back on the other side. He
Speaker 5: mentioned Louisville not controlling their own destiny, and he's right,
Speaker 5: and I'll give you the long list. I mean, I'm
Speaker 5: not just gonna read a list that would be boring.
Speaker 5: We're not boring around here. But the scenario where Louisville
Speaker 5: would in fact end up in Charlotte, we'll talk about
Speaker 5: that next. Right here, it's Coffee and Company. Feel bout
Speaker 5: Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety tell that I've really
Speaker 5: I've been well. I'm sure others have been more positive
Speaker 5: more optimistic than me, But for me, and if you know,
Speaker 5: you know, I at times can be viewed as super
Speaker 5: negative and pessimistic. And although I will agree that if
Speaker 5: I had to lean one way, that would be I mean,
Speaker 5: that's fair. But sometimes I'm just honest and I'm not
Speaker 5: you know, shaking the pomp pumps, leading the pep rally
Speaker 5: and it makes people think like I'm negative. But throughout
Speaker 5: the entire Louisville season this year in football, it was
Speaker 5: so frustrating, But it wasn't because I was like, oh
Speaker 5: my goodness, what happened? How did Louisville gets How did
Speaker 5: how did Jeff Brohm get such a bad batch of
Speaker 5: players in the portal? This is disastrous. Like, I was
Speaker 5: never worried about anything big picture. They were just making
Speaker 5: some boneheaded mistakes that you know, will cost you a game.
Speaker 5: And they had opportunities early especially that we you know
Speaker 5: with that Simme, you nobody knew SMU was going to
Speaker 5: end up being in the position there in now when
Speaker 5: Louisville played him earlier this year. So because you had
Speaker 5: those big opportunities early and you lost, I mean, it
Speaker 5: pretty much eliminated you from seeing yourself in the ACC
Speaker 5: Championship or the playoff of that matter. So you know,
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not sour about that. I mean, it's unfortunate,
Speaker 5: but you know, if you finished the season strong, maybe
Speaker 5: there are some that will look and think, Man really
Speaker 5: blew it. Had we not screwed up at Notre Dame
Speaker 5: as many times as we did, had we not had
Speaker 5: such a bad start against SMU defensively, had you know,
Speaker 5: we played a little bit better against Miami than Man,
Speaker 5: we could have potentially done something really special because you
Speaker 5: got a quarterback who you only have one year, who's
Speaker 5: really special. I hope you have Isaac Brown for a
Speaker 5: long time, but let's be real, nothing would shock me
Speaker 5: when it comes to him, that's how special he is.
Speaker 5: So you know, everybody's gonna view it the way they
Speaker 5: want to view it, but I am I'm choosing to
Speaker 5: be positive. But it is sort of you know, to
Speaker 5: look back at, you know, earlier this year, like the
Speaker 5: opportunities were there, and you know, when you fall short,
Speaker 5: it's not going to kill you. I mean, Louisville is
Speaker 5: getting a lot of respect for how well they played
Speaker 5: three teams that the committee views his top fifteen teams.
Speaker 5: And then they beat Clemson like a drum at their place,
Speaker 5: which doesn't happen very often. So you know, the real
Speaker 5: bummer is that early on this year, you knew that
Speaker 5: a lot of the things you had talked about and
Speaker 5: aimed for were gone. And I still believe that to
Speaker 5: be the case. But let me give you what needs
Speaker 5: to happen over the next three weeks for Louisville to
Speaker 5: have a chance to be in Charlotte. And I don't
Speaker 5: want to present this with people thinking I'm doing it
Speaker 5: because I'm telling you to get your hopes up. I
Speaker 5: don't think you should get your hopes up. You can
Speaker 5: do what you want, though, over the next three weeks.
Speaker 5: Louisville needs SMU to win out. They need pitt to
Speaker 5: beat Clemson, need Georgia Tech to beat NC State, need
Speaker 5: Virginia to beat Virginia Tech. You need Boston College to
Speaker 5: beat North Carolina, You need Stanford to beat cal and
Speaker 5: you need Syracuse or Wake to take down Miami. So
Speaker 5: I mean, among a lot of Among the many things
Speaker 5: I just laid out, just about all of them are unlikely.
Speaker 5: Now again, upsets happened. I mean last week was the
Speaker 5: perfect reminder of that, right because you see where you
Speaker 5: stand in the initial playoff rankings and you think, okay, well,
Speaker 5: now we just got to take care of business. We're there,
Speaker 5: let's just put it on cruise control and take care
Speaker 5: of business and we're going to be okay, it'll all
Speaker 5: play itself out. Well, that's when you get tight. You
Speaker 5: start thinking so much about not screwing up. What do
Speaker 5: you do you screw up? So you know, maybe there
Speaker 5: is some chaos, but the amount of unexpected things that
Speaker 5: would need to happen, it just it to me, it
Speaker 5: seems damn near impossible. But again maybe that's just maybe
Speaker 5: that's just me. I mean I don't think it is.
Speaker 5: But if you want to get your hopes up and
Speaker 5: you want to just kind of keep the dream alive
Speaker 5: because you know that's that's your mentality, that's how you
Speaker 5: do things, that's how you operate, then you know, knock
Speaker 5: yourself out. I'd say of those things as far as
Speaker 5: what is least likely most likely, I mean, let's see here,
Speaker 5: see if I can pull it up. I just had
Speaker 5: it here we go. I mean, the thought of SMU
Speaker 5: winning out that seems probable. No doubt about that. Pit
Speaker 5: to beat Clemson. They play this weekend, right, I don't
Speaker 5: see that happening. Do they play this weekend?
Speaker 6: I think they do.
Speaker 5: Pitt got humbled with a beat down by SMU and
Speaker 5: then they lost to a pretty pretty mid Virginia team
Speaker 5: last week on their home field. So you know, I
Speaker 5: doubt that Pitt beats Clemson. Georgia Tech beating NC State,
Speaker 5: I'd say that of all the things that's probable, Virginia
Speaker 5: beating Virginia Tech, that wouldn't be a huge upset, but
Speaker 5: it would be an upset. Boston College and North Carolina
Speaker 5: I'd say they're probably in the same boat right now.
Speaker 5: Stanford beating Cal again, those are the two worst teams
Speaker 5: in the league. Syracuse or Awake taking down Miami probably
Speaker 5: is the most unlikely because I don't know. Miami's had
Speaker 5: close games and they've been able to survive, and they
Speaker 5: did lose last week. But you know, Wake is terrible,
Speaker 5: and then Syracuse, you really never know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 5: Although I will say Frand Brown is the kind of
Speaker 5: guy that I could see pulling off that kind of
Speaker 5: an upset, but it's not something that I predict. So
Speaker 5: SMU man, like I said it last week when we
Speaker 5: got our initial look at the playoff rankings, that you
Speaker 5: could argue that they they you know, they need more respect.
Speaker 5: And here we are once again where I mean, what
Speaker 5: is SMU rank right now in the playoff rankings? Let
Speaker 5: me pull up the updated playoff rankings, because they didn't
Speaker 5: they didn't drop obviously, but they are in my opinion,
Speaker 5: and maybe this is just some acc bias for me,
Speaker 5: they're the team that probably is I mean, are they
Speaker 5: at yeah, they're at number fourteen? How'd they fall? What
Speaker 5: were they at last year? Or the yeah they were
Speaker 5: at number thirteen?
Speaker 6: They fell.
Speaker 5: That, I mean, I guess just because of the other
Speaker 5: shake up, the other things that have happened. You know,
Speaker 5: Georgia takes another loss, and you know they fall, they
Speaker 5: fall down, but not enough to where SMU would be
Speaker 5: ahead of them. So I think I think SMU is
Speaker 5: the most interesting case study here as far as the
Speaker 5: committee not really knowing where to put a lot of teams,
Speaker 5: including SMU. So here are the SME is right now
Speaker 5: in SMU, because they're new to the ACC, the ACC
Speaker 5: is not going to get the same love from the
Speaker 5: Committee that the SEC in the Big ten is going
Speaker 5: to get, which is understandable. But I think it's also
Speaker 5: because SMU is in their first year of a power league.
Speaker 5: And I know some people look at it and say, well,
Speaker 5: that's a bad sign for that's a really bad sign
Speaker 5: for the ACC that this team comes in and they're
Speaker 5: running the show. And I mean, I think SMU is
Speaker 5: actually that good. But you know, if you choose to
Speaker 5: see it the other way, I understand that too. But
Speaker 5: SMU right now eight to one, they have a rank.
Speaker 5: They have a win against Louisville at Louisville beat them
Speaker 5: by seven at Louisville. Again, this is a win that
Speaker 5: the Committee views is really valuable. They think the committee,
Speaker 5: the Committee thinks leivel is a top twenty team. They
Speaker 5: beat Pitt by twenty three points, who's now seven and two.
Speaker 5: They beat Duke, who's seven and three. That's not a
Speaker 5: great win, but again we're talking about two seven win teams.
Speaker 5: They're only loss. I mean, they have a three point
Speaker 5: loss at home to BYU, who's number six, and also undefeated.
Speaker 5: So another eight and one team who's ranked number three
Speaker 5: ranked wins not a one best win, Vandy by three.
Speaker 5: A six and four Vandy team that is their next
Speaker 5: best win is Oklahoma who's five and five. Their loss
Speaker 5: it's only one loss, but they lost about fifteen in
Speaker 5: home to a two loss Georgia team. That's Texas. Texas
Speaker 5: actually is getting the benefit of the doubt more than
Speaker 5: anybody in these playoff rankings right now.
Speaker 6: And I get it.
Speaker 5: Like to say that I believe as Simeuse better than Texas,
Speaker 5: I'm not sure I believe that, but I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're only going to base it off
Speaker 5: of results, even the eye test, I don't know how
Speaker 5: you mean. Again, you're the committee. Putting Texas at number
Speaker 5: three is just their belief, and look, they could be wrong.
Speaker 5: And that's why I think when you hear from the
Speaker 5: spokesperson Ward Manual, the ad at Michigan, he's the guy
Speaker 5: that's coming on TV after every updated rankings and trying
Speaker 5: to justify it, just say this is what we believe.
Speaker 5: When you try to give specific reasons in facts, it
Speaker 5: just makes you look more foolish to be honest with.
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Speaker 5: I mean, people will still complain and say you're you're,
Speaker 5: you're an idiot if they don't agree with it, and
Speaker 5: you can and you just stand by your opinion. But
Speaker 5: like people are looking, people are gonna keep bringing this
Speaker 5: stuff up regardless. But I would mean, you can't justify
Speaker 5: it other than just saying we just think that they're better,
Speaker 5: so just say that, or you could just be really
Speaker 5: honest with us. I mean, you can't do this, but
Speaker 5: I'd love it if you did, because I appreciate transparency.
Speaker 5: Just tell us it's Texas and it's SMU here is
Speaker 5: how that alone is why we decided to put these
Speaker 5: teams there. I mean, that's not the way they should
Speaker 5: do it, but like, let's not act like that doesn't exist.
Speaker 5: Another eight and one team who's number four Penn State
Speaker 5: ranked win not a one best win six and three
Speaker 5: Illinois next best win five and four Wisconsin. Their one
Speaker 5: loss was at home to Ohio State, who's number two.
Speaker 5: SMU is ten and eleven spots behind those two teams
Speaker 5: for one reason. It's Southern Methodist University and not Penn
Speaker 5: State and not Texas. That's the reason. They'll never say it,
Speaker 5: but we know it, and I don't really know how
Speaker 5: you fix it, because, like I kind of get it,
Speaker 5: but SMU dropping the way they did with that resume
Speaker 5: they have compared to those two teams that are in
Speaker 5: the top four, it just you can't make any sense
Speaker 5: of it other than just being honest with us, which nobody. Again,
Speaker 5: I can appreciate the honesty, but that's not how you
Speaker 5: should do it.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 5: One is Texas, one is Penn State, two of the
Speaker 5: bigger brands in college football.
Speaker 6: The other.
Speaker 5: I bet half the committee doesn't even know what SMU
Speaker 5: stands for. I would hope not. That's a bad attempted humor,
Speaker 5: but like, maybe it wouldn't shock, Maybe it wouldn't be
Speaker 5: a crazy thing if maybe somebody on the committee didn't
Speaker 5: know what SMU actually means for smooth. Yeah, I doubt it,
Speaker 5: but you know, in fact, I'm surprised nobody's ever run
Speaker 5: with that, Like that's not like the most clever thing,
Speaker 5: but like Mustang, just like SMU, there are a lot
Speaker 5: of like OSU. There's I mean, trust me, we do
Speaker 5: the like they're not the only school that that like
Speaker 5: at time, but like nobody ever calls them Southern Methodist,
Speaker 5: do you know what I mean? Like people always say
Speaker 5: the Ohio State, like other schools that just use the
Speaker 5: first letter of of of the you know, three or
Speaker 5: even two words that like UK, right, But SMU is
Speaker 5: quite literally by everybody only called SMU, not Southern Methodist
Speaker 5: because that's a weird. Like when I hear something Methodist,
Speaker 5: I think they're playing NAI sports and not you know,
Speaker 5: high level sports.
Speaker 6: Think of it like a church league.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly what I think of it, to be
Speaker 5: honest with you. All right, quick break, we'll come back
Speaker 5: on the other side. Wrap up at four o'clock hour.
Speaker 5: I've not had a great year. Well, let me back up,
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Speaker 5: the Commanders at Philadelphia taken on the Eagles. Right now,
Speaker 5: I'm seeing Eagles minus four. The Eagles have quietly put
Speaker 5: together a good season. And when I say quietly, it's
Speaker 5: because like I kind of feel like they've been underwhelming
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Speaker 5: a tough team for the books to figure out because
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Speaker 5: for themselves, and you know, they've played really close with
Speaker 5: a good Pittsburgh team who's been on fire and lost
Speaker 5: that by just a point. You know, their wins have
Speaker 5: not been against really anybody, you know. To be honest
Speaker 5: with you, I think the most impressive thing in the
Speaker 5: last five games for the Commanders is that they dominated
Speaker 5: bad teams other than I guess they did need that
Speaker 5: hil Mary against the Terrible Bears, but they they played
Speaker 5: close with the with the Ravens and with the Steelers.
Speaker 5: But other than that, man, they've just they you know,
Speaker 5: it's not their fault. All you can do is play
Speaker 5: who's on your schedule. But their losses are two really
Speaker 5: good teams. Their wins are against I mean, I guess
Speaker 5: their biggest win is against Arizona, who in late September
Speaker 5: I don't think they were the team then that they
Speaker 5: are now. Arizona's played really well as of late. And
Speaker 5: the Eagles. I mean, that's funny. I'm looking here, like
Speaker 5: which wins are good? Like we don't know who the
Speaker 5: hell is actually good and who isn't in the NFL
Speaker 5: this late in the year. What would be your initial
Speaker 5: lean here?
Speaker 9: I would probably have to go I probably have to
Speaker 9: go with the Eagles. I don't know about that. Spread, though,
Speaker 9: would you say with six, No, it's four?
Speaker 7: But four?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 4: Is? It?
Speaker 6: Is it in Philadelphia?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's at It's at Philly Link, as they say,
Speaker 5: home of wrest the way.
Speaker 4: I like.
Speaker 5: I like the Eagles here as well, just because I
Speaker 5: think they've you know, they've they've they're better, they're more
Speaker 5: tested in these kind of games, and you know, the
Speaker 5: Commanders have played some good teams, but they've come short
Speaker 5: in every one of them. And I'm a believer in
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts. You know, I'm not somebody that thinks for you.
Speaker 5: I'm not somebody who thinks he He's this guy that's,
Speaker 5: you know, criminally underrated and underappreciated, but like he's pretty consistent,
Speaker 5: Like he's he's he's not the best really at anything,
Speaker 5: but he's he's a gamer, he's a leader, he's tough.
Speaker 5: He shakes off mistakes better than I think a lot
Speaker 5: of quarterbacks do, which is a tough thing to do
Speaker 5: when you're a quarterback. So I don't know if I
Speaker 5: think they're gonna, you know, win the Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 5: But in this spot, Thursday night football, against another young
Speaker 5: quarterback who's off to a phenomenal start, to his NFL career,
Speaker 5: I think the Eagles can cover. If this was a
Speaker 5: little bit bigger, meaning Eagles minus five or even you know, six,
Speaker 5: I would probably hesitate. But I don't love the game.
Speaker 5: But if I'm gonna bet on it, I'm gonna I
Speaker 5: would take the Eagles as well.
Speaker 9: Usually night games in Philly you kind of like want
Speaker 9: to lean towards that way, and against a young rookie
Speaker 9: quarterback who has been dynamic, and dan Quinn has been
Speaker 9: huge for that team this year and huge for Jayden
Speaker 9: Daniels development. I kind of thought that it would be
Speaker 9: like a little bit of a setback. I mean, because
Speaker 9: I'm sorry the Commanders are haven't been that necessarily great
Speaker 9: of a franchise, especially developing young quarterbacks. But these young,
Speaker 9: offensive minded coaches, not like dang Quinn's the youngest, but
Speaker 9: you know in his coaching career.
Speaker 6: That's helped them a lot.
Speaker 9: And I guess on the Philly side, I just thought
Speaker 9: they ended their season last year a complete mess. Yeah,
Speaker 9: and you and those fans, I wouldn't say are flippy floppy,
Speaker 9: but they'll let you know how how you feel. And
Speaker 9: I think Sirianni was just their coach is kind of
Speaker 9: a kind of a kind of a goof ball.
Speaker 5: Well, I forgot all about that. I mean, they were winning,
Speaker 5: but yet they started off like six and oh but
Speaker 5: the pr was was was pretty disastrous because they you know,
Speaker 5: they were beating bad teams barely like when they beat
Speaker 5: the who was it? The h who did they? They
Speaker 5: barely beat somebody who wasn't good and they didn't play
Speaker 5: well and Sirianni started yelling at fans in the crowd,
Speaker 5: which is just I mean, that's a pretty bad sign
Speaker 5: for where they are. And I feel like everybody in
Speaker 5: Philly and again, they're a tough crowd to went over. Man,
Speaker 5: they booted Sanda. They threw stuff at Sam a clause
Speaker 5: one time on the field, which is a legendary story
Speaker 5: when it comes to the NFL. But I feel like
Speaker 5: everybody hates him meeting his fans. I don't even think
Speaker 5: the players really like him.
Speaker 6: So I don't like him either. I think I think
Speaker 6: he's a knucklehead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then tonight, as far as if you're looking
Speaker 5: for action this evening other than the NFL, do we
Speaker 5: have any good college games here because usually we get
Speaker 5: some decent college football games. Yeah, So Yeah, well, let's see.
Speaker 6: We have uh Man.
Speaker 5: For some reason, I thought we were getting like power
Speaker 5: for teams to play on Thursdays this year, and we
Speaker 5: did earlier. But I guess maybe that's come to an
Speaker 5: end because the only game I see tonight is a
Speaker 5: game I have no interest in betting on in that's
Speaker 5: East Carolina and Tulsa. Now, when it comes to college hoops,
Speaker 5: we'll get into that in the five o'clock hour, because
Speaker 5: there are a couple of games uh that are that
Speaker 5: are pretty pretty appealing when it comes to, you know,
Speaker 5: making a wager, so including uh, let's see here, Yeah,
Speaker 5: Chris Max Team's taken on fau Tonite at Home, which
Speaker 5: I'm surprised their favorites, but that's pretty telling SMU and
Speaker 5: Butler are in action. So we'll talk about that in
Speaker 5: the five o'clock hour among a lot of things. We
Speaker 5: got a lot to get to before we run out
Speaker 5: of time, So stick with us five o'clock hours. Next
Speaker 5: right here on Sports Talk seven to ninety.
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