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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number three hundred and seventy five, published on

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March nineteen, twenty thirteen, and on today's score Zone short

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Speaker 1: I love the image that you just painted of filling

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the cup with water, and when it overflows, what direction

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is it going to flow? Yeah, that's really helpful, But

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it's going to be away from the cup.

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Speaker 3: Going to be down the paull line. So there's no

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necessarily any guarantee that the direction water would flow below

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the hole is the same direction that water would flow

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into the hole. That's the hardest one to get right, yus.

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The green is perfectly flat and tilted, which again is

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not the real world. That's the only time the direction

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flowing in would be the same as the direction flowing out.

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Because the whole isn't necessarily placed on a flat surface,

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the direction in could be slightly offset from the direction out.

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That's much more common than not. So that's why it

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has some limitations. Is it only gives us the fall

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line directly below the hole. It doesn't necessarily represent the

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fall line above the hole. We can make a decent

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estimation based on that, but won't necessarily be as accurate

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as we would prefer.

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Speaker 1: That same point. Putt it from the instructor's perspective with

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John Braham.

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Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers

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and golf professionals to help blower your score. It's worked

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for your host, Fred Green.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. John.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Fred, how you been very good? Thanks?

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Speaker 1: How the lesson's coming?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: If I don't usually do too much in the winter time,

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most of my lesson businesses through travel, so I'll travel

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between two and four weekends a month, just especially springtime

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is starting to pick up quite a bit now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to just clarify for the audience, John is

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not speaking with me and sword fighting at the same time.

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His dog is actually we talked about this. His dog

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is walking around the room, is with you know, with

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his nails on the tile. So John. A few episodes back,

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we talked to Mark Sweeney about the aime Point golfing

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system putting system that he developed, and it was to me,

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it's a fascinating story of a guy with an idea

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and how he developed it and turned it into something

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very useful and brought it on to teachers all over

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the world. And you have embraced Aimepoint.

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Speaker 3: Certainly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I think you told me

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that you're not even giving normal golf lessons anymore. You're

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just doing aim Point exclusively.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, almost exclusively. I'll teach very little full swing. It's

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getting less and less and less over the years, and

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it's nearly nothing now.

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Speaker 1: And from your perspective, and this is why I was

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so excited to have you on the show, because you know,

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there's so many different theories on putting. But as a

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certified instructor of I'm assuming you're a PGA certified instructor

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as well. Yeah, So, as a PGA certified instructor and

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as an aim Point certified instructor, what is it about

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aim Point that you love, and why should we embrace it?

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Speaker 3: The reason that I love it is because I can

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prove it. I can prove it right on the putting

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green while I'm teaching it that here's the scenario, here's

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the hole, here's the ball, here's the surface. We can

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do a read. We can get it right, we can

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get it wrong. Whichever the answer is, I can go

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out and figure out why I got it right or

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why I got it wrong and measure it and prove it.

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That's why I got involved.

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Speaker 1: So it's all about being able to quantify.

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Speaker 3: Everything exactly correct.

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Speaker 1: All right, move on? I mean I want details. I

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want to know again from from your perspective, what it

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is that you teach. And you know, I'd like to

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just open the floor here and let you go. And

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you know, obviously it's not visual, but if you can

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walk us through the elements of it and why we

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should fall in love with us too?

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Speaker 3: Sure? I mean, first we start off with explaining to

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people what actually causes the ball to break? What are

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the actual true variables involved? And there's basically three and

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those three are how steep is the ground between the

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ball and the hole? Let the balls rolling across? What

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direction is the ball rolling across the ground? We use

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the term angle what angles across in the ground. And

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then the third one is how long is it doing

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it for? So if I can figure out what those

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three things are, how steep, what angle, and for how long?

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predict the ball should do this. Now, certainly we can't

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control if it hits a ball mark or hits a spike, marray,

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whatever the case we be, and things of that nature.

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between thirty and forty seconds to make the best estimate

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that we can make. And if you know what the

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variables are, how to find them and measure them, we

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can do that very very quickly and be done sometimes

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almost before we actually get to our ball from the fairway.

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yards away, and then we just get there. We kind

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of refine our answer based on what we know that

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we're looking for, so it's a very specific process of

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things that we're looking for. The time element is mainly

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broken down into our distance from the hole and the

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speed of the green. There's other things involved in that,

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like grain and wind things of that nature, which are

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much harder to quantify because they tend out to be

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very consistent, you know, winds coming in and out. So

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the main things that we deal with again are how

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steep one angle? Then you could say, you know, how

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fast is the green and then how far away? So

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that's what was Once we figure those things out, we

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have a piece of paper that we look at saying okay,

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based on these inputs, the answer should be X, and

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we go from there and try to hit it with

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the assumption that our skills are going to hit the

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ball that delivers it between six and twelve inches past

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the hole. That's one of the assumptions that we kind

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of build in is that every part we're going to

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try and hit at the same distance relative to where

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we are and where the hole is. So it's working

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on you know, the actual skill the feels involved of

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determining what those variables are. So that's the art part

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that's still there that's never changed. We look at it,

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we feel that we do all those things trying to

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figure out what those pieces are. Then the science piece

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is okay, based on our skill and our feel we

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come up with this answer, and then we now we

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have the harder of the two parts, in my opinion,

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which is actually hitting it there at the cruck speed,

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aiming it there, things of that nature. So you know

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all of those variables. I can go in and I

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can measure while I'm practicing and say, okay, I thought

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the ground was this steep and it was this deep.

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I thought I was coming from this direction, I was

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coming from that direction. I thought I was eight feet

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away when I was ten feet away. Whatever the situation is,

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I can do something to measure it, to find out

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how well I've practiced said versus how well I determined

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it in the real world, and continually work on these

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skills that I can quantify, and like you said, it's

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quantifying feel is a great way to explain what we're

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trying to do. Saying okay, we need to figure out

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what these things are. We're going to put an actual

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number on them. Not just well it's a little downhill

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and it goes a little to the right. We want

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to know exactly how much downhill it is, how steep

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the ground is, that it's going down, all of those things,

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and based on the accuracy of our skills determines the

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accuracy of our read instead of just having it being

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a kind of a memory device, which is what normal

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green reading is. In my opinion, at least the way

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I was taught it is you look at the ground,

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look at the ball at the hole, maybe go to

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the other side, maybe you throw the bucket of water

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around the green, whatever the situation may be, and then

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I use that information and try to apply it in

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the future when I run across it again. Well, the

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problem with that is that those only include the variables

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of the ground itself. For example, if I had, you know,

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let's say, a ten foot pot across the slope on

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two different days, I can have it roll across the

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exact same ground and break completely different amounts because of

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either the speed of the green or how hard I

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hit it, or whatever the case may be. There's some

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other element in there besides just the ground itself that's

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going to help me to predict what it's going to do.

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or at least a course that has the same speed

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of the green all the time, I can get very

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good at applying what I see now to the future.

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come to my course on like the invitational or remember

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guest day, and the greens are faster than normal or

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slower than normal, whatever the case may be. I have

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no way now to predict what the curve will be

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based on all of my experience because they no longer

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apply to the same situation. So I will constantly struggle

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trying to figure out, why does this ground look exactly

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what I'm used to, what the ball is doing something different.

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out of that kind of, you know, the endless loop

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of you know, apply to the current what I saw

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in the past, instead of saying, okay, here's what the

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actual variables are. Let's figure out what they are and

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then just apply them to the situation that I have.

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It's just a very different process of doing it. And

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it's very similar to you know, the change from you know,

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SI seven years ago or in every full shot was

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an eye based event. I look at the green here

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I am, I predict about how far away I am,

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and I choose a club based on that visual appearance,

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and through time I start to build a relationship between

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what I see in my distance and what the club

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that equals, and I'm sure at some point in time

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when yardage markers and lasers became more prevalent, the golfers

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that had learned the skill of doing it by sight

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were very reluctant to switch because they had invested all

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of this time and this energy and the skill in

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learning that visual event. But nowadays nobody plays golf that way.

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All of the players that play for a living are

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mapping the course out in advance or shooting lasers, aregating

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as much detailed information as they can get to help

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them make that one choice. It's that same idea that's

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that we're bringing to the green that instead of it

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being just a strictly visual event, it's an area that

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can be measured and can be quantified and can be

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learned as a skill. And then we apply science to

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an answer.

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Speaker 1: I am way too twenty first century centric, because when

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you said an ibased event, I thought you were talking

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about a new product from Apple. I was like, what,

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oh I E y E oh got it? How many

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other dare I call it a system? Aim point, we'll

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call ampoint a system at this point? How many other

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systems have you experienced, studied, and taught before you concluded

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that aim Point was it.

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Speaker 3: When I started with aim Point, I wasn't aware of

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any other system that proposed to do what Mark was doing.

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hill of beans. But when I first heard about it,

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I specifically got in contact with Mark to try and

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figure out what was wrong with it. There's no more

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skeptical person than myself in filtering information as it comes in.

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I have four kids, and I, especially in the wintertime,

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I spend a lot of time at home researching and

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doing stuff online trying to gather info. And so when

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I had heard about this, I'm like, oh, this is interesting.

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No one's ever tried to say they could do this.

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I want to get a hold of this guy and

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figure out what's wrong with it. Well, how can I

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break this thing so it doesn't actually actually work? And

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when we got together, you know, he was able to

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measure and quantify the things that he was doing, so

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I couldn't really argue with him, so I got involved. Now,

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since then, I believe there are two other systems that

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are at least maybe even more than that, maybe three

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that are kind of working off the same idea of

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at least trying to predict what the ball will do.

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But I have not had any personal experience with either

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of those other systems, aside from just what I've read

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online or heard from others. But I've never been to

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another class another system to see exactly what they do.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what the other systems are?

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Speaker 3: I don't know the name of one. Jeff Manham's got

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one some kind of wheel, but I don't know if

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he's got a name for it. There's a new one

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out that is that the vector one. No, that's a

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different one. That's a different one. And there's another one

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that a guy who used to do yardage books for

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the tour I think his name is and and he's

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just within the last couple of weeks or so, he's

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he's used all the topography information that he's gathered on

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tour to generate an app to say, Okay, well if

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the holes here and the balls here, the balls should

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break like so. But it's right on the phone. It

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would be completely illegal, but.

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Speaker 1: That's not gonna stop us exactly.

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Speaker 3: So, So those are the only the only other ones

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that I'm aware of that attempt to try and quantify

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break based on location is what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: It's not John Grund. I know that John Grund did

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the yardage the sprinkler heads, but not the yardage guides.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, I think it's I think it's And I

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know his last name is Straca. I'm just not sure

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if his first name is John but s t R

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A c k A. I think Straca.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that before too. And Jeff Mangum has

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uh has been a regular on Golf Smarter for years.

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And he's quite detail oriented.

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Speaker 3: No doubt.

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Speaker 1: And if you ever looked at his website, oh I've been.

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Speaker 3: I've engaged with Jeff many times and uh and and

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detailed is a great way to describe Jeff's responses.

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Speaker 1: I won't say obsessive. I'll just say detailed, detailed. Yes, yeah, Jeff,

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you're so entertaining. All right, Well, anyway we're gonna we're

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gonna get into I hope you you allow me to

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get into specifics about the elements of aim point and

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what what we can learn from you without obviously getting

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a clinic. This is about as close as we're going

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to get right now. But you do give you know,

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you were here in northern California just recently doing clinics

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all over the country, all over the world, all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I was just at the Metal Club

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up in Fairfax just last weekend. I'll be at the

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I'll be in Phoenix this weekend and then a few

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days for the LPGA event and oh great, very pretty

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much every weekend from now until almost the fourth of yourly.

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It's gonna be a busy spring. Great.

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Speaker 1: Well, I apologize for missing, and I was out of town.

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I would have loved to have come up to the Meadal.

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Speaker 3: Club and yeah, it would have been great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been fun. Ever since I talked

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to Mark, I've been fascinated by this without having to

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get the lesson. I wanted to get one, but I've been,

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you know, looking at greens lately. Mentioned recently. I live

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right off of a private golf course, so I get

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to walk around the greens when people aren't around and

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look at it and trying to identify slope and which

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is the fall, which is the line? That is, if

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we just drop the ball right here, it's just going

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to not break at all. It's just going to go

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dead straight right. Explain to me how we can do

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that on a green without dropping a ball. I mean,

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let's let's go through the various steps on what it

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requires and how we learn how to do that.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a multiple of ways. I'm sure Jeff has

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shared some we you know, we we there's only you know,

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a few ideas that actually, you know, hold true to

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at least what we're trying to do. I mean, when

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when we're teaching it, especially to someone who's had a

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little bit of experience. Again, we'll start as from any

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distance away where they can see the ball and the

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surface and the flag, they can see those things. We

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start trying to identify the fall line from hundreds and

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hundreds of yards away, generally speaking in terms of a

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general slope direction. Sometimes that's easier to see from a

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distance relative to the high and low points that kind

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of surround the surface itself. So we've actually had tournaments

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where we do all of the green reading from off

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the green just to see how well we can do,

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and then once you get there you kind of refine it.

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can still be a site event for sure, trying to

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figure out, you know, relative to you know, where the

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hole is and where the ball is and if we're

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assuming that we're crossing a single, single surface, we'll start

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with the easiest one first. You know, the surface between

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the ball and the hole is consistent. It's the same

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direction and the same amount throughout. Now, certainly that doesn't

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happen on all pots, but for the easiest of ones,

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we'll kind of start there. But it's trying to figure out,

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you know, in that area between the ball and the hole,

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what direction is the ground going. As you mentioned, what

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direction is the fall line. You know, I've used pictures

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of taking a hose and stuffing it in the hole

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and filling it up with water, and you know, figuring

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out where the water would come out. You know, we've

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we've talked about walking a circular shape around the hole

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and then based on how you feel changes of elevation,

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you can feel where the fall line will be. You know,

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if you're kind of walking half of a circle at

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some point you'll be walking down the other part to

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be walking up where that change is will be where

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the fall line is. You know, another way that we

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do it is strictly just by sight, you know, just

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by looking at the hole, trying to figure out what's

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the high and low part on the whole. We also

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do it by in terms of just general all overall balance.

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and vertical so that we don't fall over, and based

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on just the way that we're standing on the surface,

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our body will make some adjustment to that, and in

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certain directions that we're going to be facing, we'll get

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a a sensation of balance that, Okay, this is facing

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up the hill and this is facing down the hill

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straight where if I was facing across the hill, I'd

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have one foot lower than the other. You can kind

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of visualize that. So trying to figure out a balance

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relationship within our own body as to where the fall

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line would be based on how we're actually just standing

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on the ground would be one of the last ways

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that we do it.

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Speaker 1: When you're circling the hole trying to and I loved

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when Mark talked about how you can if you close

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your eyes, you can kind of feel where the slope

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of the green and how it's changing while you're walking

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around it. But are you walking around it from two

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feet away, five feet, ten feet? What is the optimum

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distance that you're circling the hole that you can feel

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where the fall line.

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Speaker 3: Is it really varies. I mean, in a perfect world,

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if the green was perfectly flat and tilted, you would

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do it at whatever distance your ball was away. It

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wouldn't matter because it would all be the same. In

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the real world of greens, the fall line is not

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a nice, straight, continuous line. So we try to figure

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out the fall line that's between our ball and the hole,

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so that the walking one we don't use because generally

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you have to do it in a manner that's too

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far away from where the ball is, So you know,

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it's kind of taught to do it below where the

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hole is. Well, if the ball is not near below

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where the hole is, the fall line could completely change

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somewhere else relative to the fall line that's below the hole,

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so we don't really use that. We try to figure

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out the fall line that's between the ball and the hole,

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that the fall line the balls are actually going to

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roll across as precisely as we can by doing more

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of that balance feel between the ball and the hole.

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Speaker 1: I love the image that you painted of I always

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thought about, you know which way is and people like that,

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how which way is the slope right on a green?

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and so it goes to the lake. Well, actually goes

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to the irrigation. Yeah. Right, So I always think like

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which way is the water going to flow on the screen.

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But I love the image that you just painted of

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filling the cup with water and when it overflows, what

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direction is it going to flow?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That that's really helpful. But it's going to be away

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from away from the cup.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be it's going to be down the

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fall line. So there's no necessary, necessarily any guarantee that

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the direction water would flow below the hole is the

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same direction that water would flow into the hole. That's

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the hardest one to get right. Mmm, there's unless the

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green is perfectly flat and tilted, which again is not

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the real world. That's the only time the direction flowing

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in would be the same as the direction flowing out.

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Because the whole isn't necessarily placed on a flat surface,

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the direction in could be slightly offset from the direction out,

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and that's that's much more common than not. So that's

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why it has some limitations. Is it only gives us

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the fall line directly below the hole. It doesn't necessarily

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represent the fall line above the hole. We could we

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can make a decent estimation based on that, but it

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will necessarily be as accurate as we would prefer.

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Speaker 1: And in the slope and the grade are those two

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different things? And how do we define those as we're

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out there.

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Speaker 3: I would I would say they're the same thing. The

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slope amount or the grade is you know, one of

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the big things based on just how steep the ground

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is between the ball and where the hole is, and

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then the slope direction that's the fall line. And then

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the time would be that third piece that I had mentioned,

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how long it's the ball.

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Speaker 1: Roll for right? And and it's obviously gonna well, you know,

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it's not obvious, but I would think right, And I

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would think that if you're putting uphill, it's going to

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actually take longer if you're equidistance, say you're uphill and

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downhill putts and you're ten feet away, that it's going

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to take longer to get to the hole going uphill

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than it would downhill.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exactly the opposite of that actually, and ten

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really and the majority of people make this air and

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I think part of it is just because of the

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way greens are described. For example, if I had two

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surfaces that were perfectly flat, and one green would be

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a stimp of eight, which would be called a slow green,

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and the other green was a stimp of twelve, which

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would be called a fast green. And on each green

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I was going to hit the ball exactly the same distance.

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Let's say that same ten feet that you mentioned the

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green that's called the slow green, I actually have to

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hit with more force. I have to hit it harder

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to travel that same distance because it has additional friction

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on it, So that ball actually rolls faster for the

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amount of distance that it's rolling. The ball on the

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twelve I hit with less speed with less force. That

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ball rolls a lot slower for a lot longer and

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longer amounts of time for that same ten feet. So

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a slow green has the fastest rolling golf balls on it,

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a fast green has the slowest rolling golf balls on it.

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Just like a downhill putt is considered fast has the

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slowest rolling ball on it, and a pillo PUDs that

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are considered slow you have to hit them hardest. They

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have the fastest rolling puts on it. It's been a

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poor way of describing what slow and fast greens are

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relative to what the ball is actually doing on them.

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You know, the only reason an eight breaks less than

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a twelve is because I have to hit it harder

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and it travels for less time. That's why it breaks less.

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We could have the exact same ground, the same everything else,

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But the reason why it breaks less is because I'm

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hitting it harder, as traveling for a less amount of time,

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less time, less amount of time that gravity can affect it.

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Let's break over the same distance. So it's and most people,

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once you explain that to them, go like, oh uh okay,

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I get that, I just wasn't thinking right. But it's

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a fairly common misconception that I run across in the

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clinics that I do.

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Speaker 1: Huh well, I would I would generally say, I'm totally

482
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baffled by what you said, but I know I think

483
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I followed you on this one.

484
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Just just think about whatever whatever amount of force

485
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that you're hitting the ball with that's controlling the time

486
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element generally speaking. Okay, and if I'm hitting them all

487
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,319
the same distance, but I have to hit one harder

488
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than the other, then the one that I'm hitting harder

489
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is going to travel that distance in less time than

490
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the one I'm hitting softer.

491
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Speaker 1: I have so many more questions for you. I want

492
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to know. Could you stick around so that you can

493
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also answer these questions and we do a golf Smarter

494
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for Members only episode.

495
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Speaker 3: Can we do another one? Oh? Absolutely be happy to

496
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Oh that's great.

497
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,799
Speaker 1: All right, So we're going to have John. I'm going

498
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to have one more question before we go, but I

499
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just want to let the audience understand that John will

500
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continue this conversation on the details of the ame point

501
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:59,640
putting system on our next episode, which is golf Smarter

502
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for Memory Only. And if you are not a member

503
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of golf Smarter for Members Only, I encourage you to

504
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check it out at golfsmarter dot com because with your membership,

505
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you will not only get a new episode every single

506
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507
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508
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have access to our entire archives. And now that golf

509
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Smarter is up in the three high three hundred number,

510
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there's a lot of conversations that will help your golf game.

511
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So please, I encourage you, I ask you to support

512
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513
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514
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that also include additional discounts. My last question before we

515
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:48,720
get to the members only though, is your follow up

516
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,240
with your students on I know one person who's done

517
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,680
aim point was totally fired up about it and try

518
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,640
to get me to understand everything. He tried to give

519
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,119
me the lesson, and then two months three months later,

520
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,599
we were out playing and I noticed that he wasn't

521
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,440
using his book, he wasn't going into the details. I

522
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,680
asked him or I thought you were doing am point

523
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,279
and he said, yeah, it was too much And I

524
00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:19,880
got it and I don't really need to do it anymore.

525
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,720
How is the long term reaction from your students have

526
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:24,680
you been following up on that?

527
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Speaker 3: You know? It really varies quite a bit depending on

528
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,000
the student. I mean, there are certain personality types that

529
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:36,720
enjoy the idea of trying to get the answer right

530
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:43,319
and will pursue the process in the effort to get

531
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the answer right and spend additional time practicing and learning

532
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:50,680
how to do it so that they get the answer right.

533
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:57,480
There's other types of personalities that don't necessarily need to

534
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,559
get the right answer. I just want to get an

535
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answer this kind of okay, and then they can just

536
00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:03,960
kind of, you know, fill in the gaps with their

537
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,920
own feel or whatever. On their own I can cleatly

538
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,440
understand both ideas and concepts. You know, I certainly fall

539
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into the more exacting side based on, you know, the

540
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way that I think and my preferences, and because of that,

541
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I will do the extra work to get the answer

542
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that I want. I know a lot of people will

543
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,319
will feel that, you know, trying to learn a green

544
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,799
reading system based on actual true numbers takes away their

545
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,319
feel and it becomes too too thoughtful and too mechanical

546
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or whatever the case may be. You know, Yet at

547
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,759
the same time, you know, you ask them what their

548
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,240
driver launch conditions are, and they know their angle of

549
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:44,400
attack and their club path and the spin rate and

550
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,160
their launch and all the other kind of stuff where

551
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,960
they know exactly, you know, they're going to shoot a

552
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,640
laser from here to the flag. But if I tell

553
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,920
them to aim three inches out, they're like, well, I

554
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,200
just want to kind of just kind of hit it

555
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,680
about a cup out or whatever. It's it's an interesting

556
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,160
dichotomy between you know, the preferences of some people relative

557
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,359
to wanting exactness in other areas and then wanting a

558
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:09,400
little bit of vagueness in others. So it completely depends

559
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,200
on the person. I've certainly run into both types. There's

560
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,640
no question that most people underestimate the amount of skill

561
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,519
required to do it well and the amount of practice

562
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to do it well. There was a gentleman that I

563
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saw at a conference. His name was doctor Brett McCabe,

564
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,559
who had an LPGA player who had learned the system

565
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and was doing quite well with it. And then a

566
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few months later he had noticed kind of the same

567
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thing that she hadn't been doing it so much, and

568
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,079
he had asked her, you know what's been the change is?

569
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She goes, well, you know, I've learned it all. You know,

570
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:48,920
I think I got it. And doctor McCabe's response was is, like,

571
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,240
you know, aimpoint is a skill. It's not a gift.

572
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,440
It's not one of the information piece, which is the

573
00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:01,000
putt prediction break amounts. That's the science piece. The actual

574
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skills required to generate the answer that will provide the

575
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,599
correct amount of break requires a great amount of skill

576
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that requires continual maintenance and practice to do well. Especially

577
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living up north. You know, I'll go especially on the holidays,

578
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:21,359
I won't step on the ground actual ground for you

579
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months at a time, and then when I go to teach,

580
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:28,880
I can certainly sense that my perception of the skills

581
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,559
I need to be able to do to per see

582
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what the ground is doing have lessened and that it

583
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takes a little bit of time for me to get

584
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back into reacclimating my skill set to what the reality

585
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of the ground actually is. So a lot of people

586
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aren't necessarily familiar with the idea that it's not just information,

587
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it's an actual skill, just like their golf swing is,

588
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and then if they don't do it, it gets worse.

589
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Or some people may make mistakes and then not know

590
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that they mistakes and think that the science is bad

591
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,880
because I didn't match what they had. I run across

592
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that one more often than not that you know, someone

593
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will do a read and what all actually does doesn't

594
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match what the chart did, and they just assumed that

595
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:17,000
whatever they did was correct and what the numbers on

596
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,200
the chart were wrong without ever going back to check

597
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,240
to see, well, did I have the slope ride that

598
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,039
I have the angle right? Did I have the distance right?

599
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,920
I did I have the inputs right?

600
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Speaker 1: Or not?

601
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Speaker 3: And if they're not checking and they're not diligent with that,

602
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it's very easy to say, well, you know this book

603
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,079
is wrong and I'm always right. Just the different personalities.

604
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Speaker 1: Awesome. We're going to continue. I'm going to go to

605
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that next question, but we'll do it on our next episode.

606
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,400
Thanks again for agreeing to stick around, and thanks so

607
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,200
much for your insight on this and your help.

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Speaker 3: Certainly, thank you for having me.

609
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Speaker 1: This time once again for our score Zone Short Game

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00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:08,519
Academy with the Wedge Guy Terry Taylor, CEO of score Golf. Hey, Terry,

611
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:09,000
how are you?

612
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: I'm great for it.

613
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:13,359
Speaker 1: How are you doing fine? You know, I'm I'm not

614
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,759
going to talk about this much, but I'm taking lessons now.

615
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:18,440
I've never taken lessons, but I'm taking lessons now. And

616
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:20,519
my teacher posed a question to me that I want

617
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,119
to throw out to you. What is the objective of golf?

618
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:27,519
Speaker 4: Drink beer and have fun?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's what I said, And he said.

620
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: Objective of golf, that's an interesting question. Did you answer

621
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,400
it forrim?

622
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: Oh?

623
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: I answered it many ways, and he kept looking at me, like,

624
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,000
stop making it so difficult, stop getting so deep, stop.

625
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: Speaking the thick of a golf is you hit it

626
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,960
from here until it goes in the hole, and then

627
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,079
you go do it again seventeen more times you win.

628
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: It's put the ball in the hole.

629
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Speaker 4: So anything that counts is how many times you had

630
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,480
to hit it to get it in the hole. And

631
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,000
nobody gives you bonus points for which clubs you get,

632
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:02,200
how far you hit it. The only thing you get

633
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,319
points for is how many times did you hit it

634
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:05,079
before it was in the hole?

635
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:05,359
Speaker 3: Right?

636
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: And it's all right? And his point, and I'm so

637
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,240
glad we're talking about this on this show. During our

638
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:15,319
Short Game Academy, we just finished a conversation about putting.

639
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,319
His point is it doesn't matter how long you hit

640
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:22,000
the ball. You know, you can hit it two fifty

641
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,680
and send it right up the middle or two seventy

642
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,559
five three on right up the middle. That's not going

643
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:28,599
to get you as excited as hitting a twenty foot

644
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,759
putt or chipping from off the green and putting it

645
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:31,480
in the hole. Right.

646
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Speaker 4: That's right. So his whole point was about that in

647
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,279
his book, Getting Up and Down, that he learned the

648
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:37,559
game when he a little bit of kid. His dad

649
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:39,759
took him out of the putting green and gave him

650
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:41,559
a little cut down putter and a ball and said here,

651
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:43,119
put it in the hole. And so you know, he

652
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,759
dropped it four or five, six feet whatever, and you

653
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:47,559
know he couldn't make it go in the hole. So

654
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he would just go set it right next to the

655
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,640
hole and tap it to where it would go in.

656
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,519
Because that was what was fun, is watching the ball

657
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:53,839
go in the hole. That was what he was there for.

658
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,119
And Watson said, to this day he does not like

659
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,240
anybody hitting a putt back to him. He likes to finish,

660
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,559
whether it's two inch or six inch or ten inch

661
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,000
or two footer. He wants to put the ball in

662
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,240
the hole because that is the point of the game.

663
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: Right, And what I like to call the happy sound,

664
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that sound of the ball goes.

665
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,039
Speaker 4: Most golfers in most recreational games are hitting and puts

666
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:18,880
back to it. And you may play eighteen holes of

667
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,400
golf and only actually hear the happy sound three or

668
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,760
four or five times, right, And guys, for hitting your

669
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,199
one footers and your ten inches back to you. And

670
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,079
the next thing you know, it's like I never really

671
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:31,400
finished anything today. Pretty interesting, all right.

672
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Speaker 1: So so the point is get get the ball in

673
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,599
the hole and and do it as little as possible.

674
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But the objective of golf is thank you very much,

675
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,320
mister teacher, who I'm not allowed to talk about anyway.

676
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,920
We do have a great question that came in from

677
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,440
Paul Arellano or Paul Ariano, but I think it's Paul

678
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:56,800
Rolano from Vista, California, and he wants to know well, Terry.

679
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,880
He writes it this way. I've read that pro golfers

680
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,800
usually have their lit angles flattened. Is that something everyone

681
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,360
should do as well? Or do you need to swing

682
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,320
a certain way before flattening lie angles on wedges?

683
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 4: Well, it is very common, Paul and all the listeners

684
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,639
out there for the tour players to play their wedges

685
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,880
one to two degrees flatter than they play their irons. Now,

686
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,400
this is proportionately flatter, please, So if your irons are

687
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,679
two degrees upright, you might want to play your wedges

688
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,760
one or even standard. If your irons are standard, you

689
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,480
might want to play your wedges one to two degrees flat.

690
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The reason the tour players do this is because it

691
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,960
helps them set their hands in the low position at

692
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:43,400
address that they want. And good players and I always

693
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,119
encourage golfers to watch video of good players hitting short

694
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:50,039
game shots, wedge shots, full swing nine irons, you know,

695
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,199
and particularly the little delicate shots around the green, and

696
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,559
you'll see these guys crouch a little more on their knees.

697
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,800
Their hands are hanging straight below their shoulders, so their

698
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,320
hands are lower at address, closer to the ground than

699
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,880
they would be with a full swing seven iron or

700
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,480
six iron, because they're standing more upright for a more

701
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:12,360
powerful swing. And if you don't flatten the lies on

702
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:16,159
your wedges, and you do that, you're going to stick

703
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:18,719
the heel of the club in the ground. With a

704
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,960
more upright line golf club, I like to think that

705
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,800
the lie of the club is my guide as to

706
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,159
how I'm executing. So if I feel the toe of

707
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:30,199
the heel, the toe of the club, or the heel

708
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,760
of the club sticking in the ground, I know that

709
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,719
was a swing flaw, not not a misfit golf club.

710
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,440
So if I'm sticking the heel in the ground, I'm

711
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,760
getting too low with my hands, which doesn't happen too often,

712
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,079
but particularly what most offers, you'll feel that toe sticking

713
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:49,920
in the ground because you're getting more upright your hands

714
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,960
are drifting a little further away from your body. And

715
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,559
you know, if you think about it this way, if

716
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,440
you set up to the golf club, Paul, and make

717
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,840
sure that club is sold flat on the ground, swing

718
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,880
so that you feel that soul, make flat contact again.

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Let the club be your school. Let the club be

720
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your guide to schooling you as to whether you're doing

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it right or not.

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Speaker 1: And that's your answer. That's a good one. That's a

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good question.

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Speaker 4: It is a good question because and one of the

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things that and I think your listeners and we talk

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about this, you know every couple of weeks is I'm

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all about the toolkit. And I'll talk about instruction. I

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understand the god swing everything, but the toolkit that we

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use to play the game is so crucial, so important

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and having the right tools in our bag for our

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particular game and having those tools shafted properly and length

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andlngles and the right loft to gap your your set out.

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And we should talk more about the toolkit in future

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episodes because I'm I mean, it is so important. You've

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got a big investment, and if you invested in the

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wrong things, you're going to be frustrated. Out there.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, I think that everyone is learning that you

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know what you're well, at least your opinionated. Whether you

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know what you're talking about or not. You have an

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opinion about it, but it must be a good opinion

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because the score golf scoring clubs. You score forty one

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sixty one clubs put up against some of the major manufacturers.

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You're selling these at shows, and the response even from

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the press, the response has been very very good. Congratulations, well, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, Fred.

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Speaker 4: And we took a fresh approach at this end of

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the set. And I invite any of your listeners to

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look at their late model wedges or brand new wedges, whatever,

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and go compare them to some that are in the

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bargain barrels that date back to the forties, fifty sixties.

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This is the last club in the bag that has

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not caught up to the modern game that we play,

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the full swing power game, you know, and fifty years

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ago nobody made full swings with wedges, and now everybody does,

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and the wedge did not catch up with that, and

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so people get ballooning trajectories and inconsistent distances and it's

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not their fault. We give absolution here. It's not your fault.

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You're playing a nineteen fifty model golf club with the

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twenty thirteen model game, and there's a disconnect there, and

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there's better technology, and we've seen upstart companies challenge the

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status quo for the last forty or fifty years in golf,

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and better technology wins every time.

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Speaker 1: Terry, thanks so much once again, and we'll speak with

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you soon.

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Speaker 4: I look forward to it. Thank you. Fred