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<v Speaker 2>and welcome to my channel Vice Rhino. Here today, I

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<v Speaker 2>remembered that I started covering one of Mike Wingers ten

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Andre Kirria has the following question. I have

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<v Speaker 3>a coworker that is an atheist. He said that there

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<v Speaker 3>are parts of our bodies that are not necessary and

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<v Speaker 3>that might prove evolution and not a creator. Any thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't bode well for the rest of the stream

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<v Speaker 2>that when his first question from an actual person rather

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<v Speaker 2>than a prepared question isn't actually from a skeptic, but

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<v Speaker 2>from someone who knows a skeptic. But to address the

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<v Speaker 2>actual question, this isn't something that would disprove the general

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<v Speaker 2>concept of God, just something that disproves the younger creationist

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<v Speaker 2>view of God. You.

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<v Speaker 3>I have several thoughts on that. First off, personally, I

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<v Speaker 3>would want to avoid focusing on evolution with a non

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<v Speaker 3>believer and focusing on that topic more for like in

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<v Speaker 3>house Christian discussions that it.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks like Mike is going to waffle on this one

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<v Speaker 2>rather than come out with the stance either four or

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<v Speaker 2>against evolution. He's just going to leave a vague so

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<v Speaker 2>that he can avoid alienating his followers that fall on

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<v Speaker 2>either side of this debate. But it makes him look weak.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not willing to take a stand on the side

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<v Speaker 2>of reality and just say, yeah, evolution happens and that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't disprove Christianity. He is likely going to say something

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<v Speaker 2>along the lines of, well, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but either way, it doesn't disprove Christianity,

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<v Speaker 2>which to me says that he doesn't accept evolution. Because

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<v Speaker 2>the fact of the matter is that denying demonstrable facts

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<v Speaker 2>about reality like evolution can only serve to make Christians

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<v Speaker 2>look bad. So the only reason to waffle about it

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<v Speaker 2>is if you deny evolution and don't want to alienate

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<v Speaker 2>the segment of your audience that accepts it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that that's going against the grain, and most

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<v Speaker 3>people would not agree with me on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Statistically speaking, most Christians believe in evolution, and I'd imagine

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<v Speaker 2>that most of them don't actually care much about it

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<v Speaker 2>either way. So his saying most people would disagree with

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<v Speaker 2>him on that indicates that the circles he's used to

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<v Speaker 2>running him contain a whole lot fundamentalist evangelicals who usually

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<v Speaker 2>lead with a denial of evolution as a prerequisite per belief.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'm wrong, Okay, this is Take this as like,

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<v Speaker 3>this guy on the internet has a thought that you

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<v Speaker 3>can think about. I would avoid this topic. There are

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<v Speaker 3>Christians who believe in evolution and Christians who do not.

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<v Speaker 3>And you may say, well, obviously one side is wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's the side who do not believe in evolution.

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<v Speaker 3>That are wrong. I want to focus on the topics

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<v Speaker 3>that bring this person to christ. Does that make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>One way to do this is to try to draw

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<v Speaker 3>out the implications of evolution.

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<v Speaker 2>And also he's just trying to have it both ways here.

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<v Speaker 2>Evolution doesn't matter one way or the other. But come on,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't really believe in that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you? So this is this is true. I've heard

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<v Speaker 3>many skeptics say evolution means that you know, we don't

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<v Speaker 3>need a god or string theory. If vibrating strings are

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<v Speaker 3>really the source of all the matter and everything we

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<v Speaker 3>see in the universe, then we don't need a god.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse the fuck out of me. Why are you talking

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<v Speaker 2>about string theory in response to a question or evolution? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you're going the six kinds of evolution route,

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<v Speaker 2>where everything in the universe that both changes and proves

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<v Speaker 2>the universe to be old is evolution, it must be

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<v Speaker 2>denied string theory is not on that list.

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<v Speaker 3>Or the multiverse theory that if you trace back the

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<v Speaker 3>origin of the universe to there being just multiple universes,

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<v Speaker 3>there's so many universes that surely enough some of them

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<v Speaker 3>are going to have the perfect situation for life that

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<v Speaker 3>this means we don't need a god.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and at least this one could fit into the

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<v Speaker 2>six kinds of evolution thing. But I would just like

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<v Speaker 2>to remind everyone that the question was about vestigial structures

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<v Speaker 2>in the body, not string theory or the multiverse.

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<v Speaker 3>All of these arguments make the same flaw is they

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<v Speaker 3>have an artificial stopping point for their explanatory power.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Mike, what do you think God is if not

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<v Speaker 2>an artificial stopping point. The difference here is that when

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<v Speaker 2>an atheist stops at the Big Bang and says we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what came before it, that is an honest

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<v Speaker 2>position based on a lack of available data, but taking

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<v Speaker 2>it a step further back into the unknown and saying

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<v Speaker 2>God is not something that is supported by the data.

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<v Speaker 2>So actually, the Big Bang isn't really an artificial stopping point.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the point at which we cannot say with

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<v Speaker 2>certainty what came before it. Meanwhile, God absolutely is an

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<v Speaker 2>artificial stopping point, but it's also one that you have

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<v Speaker 2>to jump to with no good reason.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need to explain where the strings come from,

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<v Speaker 3>or I don't need to explain where the multiple universes

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<v Speaker 3>come from these infinite universes.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be willing to bet a lot of money

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<v Speaker 2>that Mike wouldn't be happy about the idea of me

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<v Speaker 2>asking him to explain where God comes from, because he

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<v Speaker 2>defines God as always having existed and not needing a cause.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, and defining it like that means you don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to explain it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need to explain on the evolution question, how

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<v Speaker 3>on Earth things were so coincidently put together in a

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<v Speaker 3>way that intelligent life would form purely by force of

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<v Speaker 3>chemical reactions with no controls.

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<v Speaker 2>No controls isn't entirely accurate. The laws of physics act

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<v Speaker 2>as controls. As I have pointed out in previous videos,

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<v Speaker 2>the development of life is an expected result of the

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<v Speaker 2>laws of thermodynamics. Think of a water source at the

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<v Speaker 2>top of a smooth, featureless hill. The top of the

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<v Speaker 2>hill is the low entropy state, the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 2>hill is the high entropy state, and the second law

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<v Speaker 2>of thermodynamics ensures that not only will the water always

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<v Speaker 2>flow down hill, but it will always do so by

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<v Speaker 2>following the path of least resistance. On our hypothetical smooth hill,

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<v Speaker 2>no particular path is favored at first, but through natural

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<v Speaker 2>randomness present in the movement of the molecules, eventually the

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<v Speaker 2>water will start to erode some places more than others.

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<v Speaker 2>Once that begins, more of the water will end up

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<v Speaker 2>in the eroded channels, causing the rate of erosion to

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<v Speaker 2>speed up until distinct pathways are formed. These pathways are

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<v Speaker 2>more complex than are perfectly smooth hill, but they allow

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<v Speaker 2>the water to get from its initial low entropy state

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<v Speaker 2>to the final high entropy state much more efficiently. Thermodynamically speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>life is a chemical process that takes relatively low entropy

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<v Speaker 2>energy from the Sun and takes it to a high

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<v Speaker 2>entropy state much more efficiently than would happen without life.

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<v Speaker 2>Life is the eroded channel allowing the water to flow

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<v Speaker 2>through it. To rephrase a little, life is the universe's

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<v Speaker 2>way of turning sunlight into poop with maximum efficiency. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's no controls in the sense that the universe doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually care which part of the hypothetical hill gets eroded,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are controls in the sense that the hill

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<v Speaker 2>will get eroded and the channels will form. We just

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<v Speaker 2>happen to be the channel that formed in our little

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<v Speaker 3>That's a big leap, Like if you were to say

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<v Speaker 3>our reject evolution and therefore clearly we're designed. Some could

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<v Speaker 3>say aliens did it. Then you have to ask where

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<v Speaker 3>the aliens come from, because that's artificial stopping point too.

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<v Speaker 2>And that tells me that you haven't actually read up

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<v Speaker 2>on any of these serious proposals for how life originated.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the closest thing to alien did it that it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually taken seriously is based on the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>building blocks of life have been found to form spontaneously

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<v Speaker 2>on meteoroids while they are in space, and that those

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<v Speaker 2>building blocks were able to survive the meteoroid becoming a meteorite, and.

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<v Speaker 3>You would eventually get back to God. But let's suppose

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<v Speaker 3>that you were to affirm, no, no, no, we really

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<v Speaker 3>did evolve. It started with just like big bang boom,

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of hydrogen boom splits up into different kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of atoms and chemicals in the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop talking, Mike, You're only embarrassing yourself. Hydrogen does not

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<v Speaker 2>split up into different types of atoms, it fuses into them.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can't even get that basic of a fact right,

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<v Speaker 2>then why should I trust that you understand enough about

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<v Speaker 2>this topic to actually come to any meaningful conclusion one

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<v Speaker 2>way or the other.

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<v Speaker 3>And you've got energy and matter in dark matter, and

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<v Speaker 3>you've got all this stuff in eividually Sun's form and

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<v Speaker 3>planet's form, and then water and two oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, not to be potantic, Okay, that's a lie. Absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>to be pedantic. You know that water is H two

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<v Speaker 2>oh right, it's not and H two o H two

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<v Speaker 2>oh literally is water now dihydrogen monoxide on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>is a completely different thing. Am I being too nitpicky here?

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<v Speaker 2>Quite possibly, But that is two incredibly basic mistakes within

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<v Speaker 3>And then some chemical reactions happen that go from non

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<v Speaker 3>where that life starts to actually have natural selection going on,

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<v Speaker 3>and that eventually continues to develop and grow until we

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, would you look at that? It actually is

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<v Speaker 2>At least he understands it when he thinks it'll help

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<v Speaker 3>Those are some really big claims.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they, though? Life that is capable of developing in

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<v Speaker 2>a universe like ours developed in a universe like ours.

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<v Speaker 2>the laws of physics are a brute fact. They cannot

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<v Speaker 2>unlikeliness of our specific universe developing, it's also possible that

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<v Speaker 2>there are a potentially infinite number of universes, which means

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<v Speaker 2>ours to support life like ours. Now, please entertain a

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<v Speaker 2>hypothetical form me here, Mike. If there were no God,

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<v Speaker 2>then in which of these universes would we expect to

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<v Speaker 2>find life like ours? In the ones that can support it?

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<v Speaker 2>And while I wouldn't make the same basic mistakes that

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<v Speaker 2>there are people whose knowledge of these subjects make mine

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<v Speaker 2>look as pathetic as Mike's by comparison, and most of

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<v Speaker 2>them fall on my side of this particular issue. In

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<v Speaker 2>a survey of members of the American Physical Society, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six percent of respondents believe that the laws and constants

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<v Speaker 2>of the universe are brute facts that need no explanation.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixteen percent believe they are set by a principle, and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty percent believe that they are the result of anthropic

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<v Speaker 2>selection in a multiverse. Only nine percent believe that they

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<v Speaker 2>are the result of intelligent design, which is the second

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<v Speaker 2>least popular opinion. The only option that it be was

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<v Speaker 2>that they are explained by a Darwinian process, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think is really funny, even how frequently this gets lumped

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<v Speaker 3>How can I you know, we get the watchmaker explanation

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<v Speaker 3>that some people have. It's like, if you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>you see a watch, there's a watch maker, even if

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<v Speaker 3>you show me that the watch, Like let's say a watch,

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of material that was all I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>iron or something. It blew up and then it just

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<v Speaker 3>sort of fell together in just the right way to

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<v Speaker 3>create a watch. And someone say, Mike, you've skipped natural

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<v Speaker 3>selection and you've skipped biologically. Yeah, I get that, but

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<v Speaker 3>try to follow the analogy. I'm not making analogy about

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<v Speaker 2>I am following the analogy. I wasn't about to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about natural selection because you were talking about the origin

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<v Speaker 2>of the universe. If you think you got to natural

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<v Speaker 2>selection somehow, then you're not being entirely clear about what

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to analogize. So maybe just finish your analogy

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<v Speaker 2>before responding to criticisms that aren't being made yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you not say, Wow, an explosion led to that.

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<v Speaker 3>That seems like a very carefully engine explosion. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>how amazing you have to be to make an explosion

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<v Speaker 3>that results in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So his analogy is to the Big Bang, which

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't actually an explosion and wasn't what set the constants

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<v Speaker 3>Of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>It was itself constrained by those things. So it's an

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<v Speaker 2>to yay, But.

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<v Speaker 3>The universe is more intense than that because some of

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<v Speaker 3>the factors that are involved here. And this is what

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<v Speaker 3>I want the atheist evolutionists to consider, is the amount

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<v Speaker 3>of material in the universe matters. The rate that the

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<v Speaker 3>explosion happens really really matters. Right, if it happens too

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<v Speaker 3>fast or too slow, we don't get our universe.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to skip ahead of it. Yes, all that,

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<v Speaker 2>it matters quite a bit. It's not as precise as

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<v Speaker 2>the apologist would have you believe, but even if it were,

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<v Speaker 2>I would draw your attention back to the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the experts, really, really smart people who study this overwhelmingly

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<v Speaker 2>think that the reason for this is not intelligent design.

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<v Speaker 2>Its remain options were again One, they are brute facts

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<v Speaker 2>that need no explanation. They are what they are and

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<v Speaker 2>cannot be otherwise. So to talk about odds or chances

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<v Speaker 2>as meaningless. There was one option, So the chances of

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<v Speaker 2>that being the one are one hundred percent. Two anthropic

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<v Speaker 2>selection in a multiverse, which is the whole. There are

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<v Speaker 2>potentially infinite universes, so life arises in those universes in

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<v Speaker 2>which it is possible for life to arise. Thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>three the values are set by a principle such as

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<v Speaker 2>the naturalness principle, which is the idea that a given

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<v Speaker 2>quantum field theory might only describe nature at energies below

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<v Speaker 2>a certain scale or cut off a statement that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to even pretend to understand. My point is

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<v Speaker 2>that the people who actually do understand this are overwhelmingly

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<v Speaker 2>of the opinion that a God is not a necessary

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<v Speaker 2>part of the explanation for why the laws and constants

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<v Speaker 3>The table had to be set in such an intricate

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<v Speaker 3>way for life to exist on this planet that just

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<v Speaker 3>saying we evolved does not answer the.

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<v Speaker 2>Question correct, but neither to saying God none did it.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I would argue that using God as an

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<v Speaker 2>explanation when you hit a wall will stop you from

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<v Speaker 2>learning things. If we really wanted to, either of us

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<v Speaker 2>could learn a great deal about the naturalness principle and

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<v Speaker 2>come to understand it. Maybe not as well as the experts,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least enough that I wouldn't have to make

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<v Speaker 2>light of the fact that I don't even understand a

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<v Speaker 2>basic explanation of it. For me, I won't because there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many other things I'd rather spend my time on

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<v Speaker 2>but Mike won't because then there would be fewer gaps

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<v Speaker 2>in his knowledge for him to stuff God into. That is,

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<v Speaker 2>assuming his interest in the subject is genuine and not

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<v Speaker 2>just apologetic posturing, because honestly, if he were to take

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<v Speaker 2>the subject and acknowledge that he knows nothing about it

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<v Speaker 2>and so not use it one way or the other

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<v Speaker 2>regarding the question of God's existence, then I'd have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more respect for him. But remember, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to doubt the existence of God, then you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be an expert in every field so that you can

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<v Speaker 2>answer every question that an apologist might have. If the

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<v Speaker 2>answer is I don't know that, that means it must

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<v Speaker 2>be God. But if you believe in God, then you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to know jack about you.

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<v Speaker 3>You then have to ask what on Earth can explain

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<v Speaker 3>such a particular set of circumstances that it allowed intelligent

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<v Speaker 3>life to happen through chemical reactions like what made a

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<v Speaker 2>And then if you, most likely a layman who study

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<v Speaker 2>of physics ended in high school at the latest, can't

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<v Speaker 2>give a detailed explanation worthy of publication in Nature physics,

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<v Speaker 2>then the only reasonable conclusion is that God did it,

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<v Speaker 2>never mind that Mike is also incapable of explaining any

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<v Speaker 2>equivalent concepts to the same degree. You only need to

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<v Speaker 2>be an expert if you're questioning God, but if you're

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<v Speaker 2>advocating for God, that all you need to do is

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<v Speaker 2>not know the answers to some of the questions so

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<v Speaker 2>that you can then use God as the answer instead.

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<v Speaker 3>What made what made the carbon atoms? This perfect environment

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<v Speaker 3>for life to end up developing? Carbon based life doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>really work with anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, it's the anthropic principle. Our universe works for the

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<v Speaker 2>development of carbon based life. Carbon based life developed in it.

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<v Speaker 2>If the universe worked differently, then potentially life would have

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<v Speaker 2>developed differently.

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<v Speaker 3>Silicon based life and all. That's all good sci fi,

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<v Speaker 3>but it doesn't work to my knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason silicon based life is a concept in sci

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<v Speaker 2>fi is because silicon behaves very much like carbon in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of ways, and so in this universe that

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<v Speaker 2>we already live in, it seems like a decent alternative

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<v Speaker 2>molecule for life to be based on. There are plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of issues that make it extremely unlikely, but again, these issues,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as its similarities to carbon, are because of

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<v Speaker 2>the laws of physics in our universe. In a different

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<v Speaker 2>universe with different laws of physics, it could very well

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<v Speaker 2>be a different molecule that makes up the chemical backbone

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<v Speaker 2>for life. And this is kind of the crux of

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<v Speaker 2>the anthropic principle. The universe looks like it's capable of

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<v Speaker 2>sustaining life like ours, because life like ours is what

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<v Speaker 2>evolved in this universe. If the universe had been different,

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<v Speaker 2>so would life if it developed at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I would want to push them on their own worldview

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<v Speaker 3>and show that their own beliefs about the universe already

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<v Speaker 3>point to God. And if they go, well, multiverse, and

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<v Speaker 3>they go what makes all those universes?

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<v Speaker 2>And no matter what the answer, there will always be

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<v Speaker 2>more questions which Mike will always answer with God, rather

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<v Speaker 2>than even considering the possibility that he's just wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know, like some of the universe making

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<v Speaker 3>machine or something.

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<v Speaker 2>How about a pre inflationary state of a soup of

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<v Speaker 2>quantum particles in superposition. Your unwillingness to learn what cosmologists

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<v Speaker 2>actually think on the matter in order to continue being

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<v Speaker 2>able to answer with God does not help your case. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>mandatory caveat that the pre inflationary quantum superposition thing is

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<v Speaker 2>one hypothesis among many, because the actual answer at this

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<v Speaker 2>time is we don't know, but there is no indication

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<v Speaker 2>of God.

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<v Speaker 3>You keep getting back to god string theory, okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>where did the strings come from? You need some eternal

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<v Speaker 3>uncaused thing, no matter what you start with.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, why could the pre inflationary quantum soup not be

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<v Speaker 2>the eternal uncaused thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where I would go with that. As far

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<v Speaker 3>as vestigial body parts, which you asked about, andre Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I forgot. This was actually a question about vestigial

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<v Speaker 2>structures in the body, and somehow that got us to

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<v Speaker 2>string theory.

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<v Speaker 3>In the Big Bang, he said, there are parts of

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<v Speaker 3>our bodies that are not necessary and that might prove

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<v Speaker 3>evolution and not a creator. Losing body parts would demonstrate

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<v Speaker 3>evolution in the sense of some change happening, right, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>For instance, my usual go to example is the muscles

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<v Speaker 2>around our ears that attempt to rotate our ears towards

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<v Speaker 2>sounds that we hear, but fail to actually do so.

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<v Speaker 2>Given that we don't have rotating ears.

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<v Speaker 3>Loss loss of body parts, it could demonstrate some change happening.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not the same as saying we all have the

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<v Speaker 3>same common ancestor. That's a huge leap.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, But it's a huge leap that is supported by

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<v Speaker 2>mountains of evidence, such as the universality of the genetic code.

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<v Speaker 2>The genetic code is the set of rules that turn

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<v Speaker 2>the information and coded in a genetic material into proteins.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the code on table. Three base pairs translate into

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<v Speaker 2>one amino acid, and the sequence of amino acids dictates

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<v Speaker 2>the shape of the protein. There is no biological reason

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<v Speaker 2>why every organism show would make use of the same

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<v Speaker 2>genetic code, so the fact that they all do is

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good indication that the reason we do is

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<v Speaker 2>because we all inherited it from a common ancestor. There's

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<v Speaker 2>also the conserved genes, genes that perform some of the

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<v Speaker 2>most basic cellular functions and which can be found in

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<v Speaker 2>any organism you care to look at, from bacteria of

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<v Speaker 2>mushrooms to mammals and everything in between. Sure, it is

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<v Speaker 2>possible that God just decided to make us all with

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<v Speaker 2>the same genetic code, but honestly, I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>be better evidence for God if every organism use the

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<v Speaker 2>same genetic code except for humans. That would pretty definitively

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<v Speaker 2>put to rest the idea that we evolve from common

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<v Speaker 2>ancestors with the other animals. But now we instead see

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<v Speaker 2>a universal genetic code that could be designed by a creator,

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<v Speaker 2>but fits so perfectly with every other aspect of evolution

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<v Speaker 2>that it renders God an unnecessary part of the equation.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not the same as saying that abiogenesis takes place.

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<v Speaker 3>These are just very different categories.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct Again, Mike is aware that evolution and a biogenesis

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<v Speaker 2>are two separate things. Way too many apologists are willing

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<v Speaker 2>to bring up things that we don't know about abiogenesis

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<v Speaker 2>in their case against evolution, and it does get rather

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<v Speaker 2>tiresome explaining that abiogenesis is a different thing from evolution. So,

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<v Speaker 2>while I am still unsure of how Mike ended up

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<v Speaker 2>on the string theory in the response to a question

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<v Speaker 2>about evolution, at least he knows this distinction.

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<v Speaker 3>But I really wouldn't want to argue with him about it.

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<v Speaker 3>You could say, well, hey, they foun out that the appendix

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<v Speaker 3>really has a purpose and a lot of the vestigial items,

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<v Speaker 3>which means like evolutionary leftovers, actually do have functions and

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<v Speaker 3>purposes in humankind.

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<v Speaker 2>Using vestigial structures as evidence for evolution does not require

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<v Speaker 2>the vestigial structure to be completely devoid of purpose, as

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<v Speaker 2>appears to be the case with their ear muscles. It

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<v Speaker 2>merely requires evidence that the structure is no longer being

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<v Speaker 2>used for a purpose that it would have had in

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<v Speaker 2>our ancestors. So for the appendix, it was originally an

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<v Speaker 2>extension of the secum that acted as a fermentation chamber

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<v Speaker 2>to help our ancestors digest tough plant matter that was

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<v Speaker 2>rich in cellulose. It lost this function as our diet diversified,

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<v Speaker 2>but it has picked up a couple of other functions,

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<v Speaker 2>such as regulating the gut microbiome and contributing to the

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<v Speaker 2>maturation of some certain types of white blood cells during

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<v Speaker 2>the development of an infant's immune system. And therein lies

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<v Speaker 2>the problem with Mike's objection to vestigial features. We are

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<v Speaker 2>not losing the appendix. Its function is shifting. It's evolving,

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<v Speaker 2>one might say. People who oppose evolution usually don't accept

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that new functions can evolve, but their objections

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<v Speaker 2>to vestigial features usually rely on the fact that these

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<v Speaker 2>features have evolved their way from one function to a

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<v Speaker 2>different one.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, losing things like losing the use of your wisdom

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<v Speaker 3>teeth doesn't prove improvement, it just proves change.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're losing our wisdom teeth because our jaws changed

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<v Speaker 2>to adapt to our diet and environment. We don't need big,

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<v Speaker 2>strong jaws like the other great apes anymore. So our

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<v Speaker 2>jaws got smaller to better fit with what we eat,

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<v Speaker 2>which is an improvement, except the result is that we

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<v Speaker 2>now have too many teeth to fit into our new

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<v Speaker 2>and improved jaws. So we are now seeing more and

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<v Speaker 2>more people who are just born without wisdom teeth, reducing

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<v Speaker 2>the need for surgical intervention to remove them. I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>that that is an improvement that So for this one,

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<v Speaker 2>today's comment to the day comes just from hiding in public,

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<v Speaker 2>who says, I just realized you came out as by

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<v Speaker 2>or Pan years after making your channel icon a furry.

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<v Speaker 2>My first assumption is that any person representing themselves as

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<v Speaker 2>a furry cannot be wholly heterosexual. Did this ever cross

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<v Speaker 2>your mind before coming out or even realizing it yourself. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as I can tell, the difference between me

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<v Speaker 2>and an actual furry is that I don't actually do

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<v Speaker 2>any of the furry stuff. The rhino isn't my persona.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't go to the conventions. I don't have an

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<v Speaker 2>interest in art involving anthropmorphic animals any more than any

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<v Speaker 2>other art. And I landed on a rhino because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>bad at coming up with usernames, so I typed Eric

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<v Speaker 2>Hovind into an anagram generator and saw vice rhino as

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<v Speaker 2>a top result. Thought it was kind of neat, so

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<v Speaker 2>went with that rather than looking for anything better. So No,

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<v Speaker 2>representing myself as a furry wasn't a clue for me,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's not what I was trying to do. It

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<v Speaker 2>was actually more of an I don't care if people

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm a furry thing. Come to think of it,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be the other way around, rather than I'm

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<v Speaker 2>representing myself as a furry, therefore I might not be

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<v Speaker 2>entirely straight. It's more I'm not entirely straight, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>actually okay with people thinking I'm a furry, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course mandatory caveat that. Well, many furries are LGBTQ. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure there are straight ones as well, just as I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure there are at least a couple of IT professionals

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<v Speaker 2>who are not furries. Thanks for watching. Don't forget to

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<v Speaker 2>go to serf shark dot com slash rhyino for an

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<v Speaker 2>extra four months for free. I'll be back next Friday

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<v Speaker 2>with more, but if you need to get your Ryo

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<v Speaker 2>fix in before then, I live stream of service every

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday eight thirty Eastern on my other channel, The Watering Hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to Piper for being my editor, and special thanks

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<v Speaker 2>as always to my patrons, who are the quantum soup

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<v Speaker 2>that existed before the universe that is my channel. If

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<v Speaker 2>you'd like to sound more delicious than you actually are,

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<v Speaker 2>a dollar per week over at patreon dot com, slash

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<v Speaker 2>the other methods that can be found at linkst viceround

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<v Speaker 2>dot com, which is also where you'll find links to

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<v Speaker 2>my other projects. If for whatever reason, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>send me stuff, my pobox addresses in the description see

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<v Speaker 2>and next time.