WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.520 Before we dive in, here's another show you can enjoy 2 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:05.960 in the True Story FM Family of Entertainment podcast, Hey 3 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:08.240 there are True Believers. Andy Nelson here from the Marvel 4 00:00:08.279 --> 00:00:10.759 Movie Minute Podcast with the rest of the team, mate Wright, 5 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:12.279 Kyle Wilson. 6 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:14.080 Rob Cabosco, and Matthew Fox. 7 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:17.039 This is the podcast where we dissect the Marvel Cinematic 8 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:20.359 Universe one minute at a time, exploring every detail of 9 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:22.640 this epic superhero franchise. 10 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:25.640 From the nods to the comics to the electrifying performances. 11 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:29.120 We've had a blast diving into every aspect of the MCU. 12 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:32.159 Right from the start, we're talking about them having to 13 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:34.920 earn their wizards, and I think we've made a good 14 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:38.079 argument that they do. We have our favorite recurring bits 15 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:41.399 like five stars or spar because every character deserves their 16 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:42.439 moments in the spotlight. 17 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:45.359 Oh, Kyle, you know, speaking of spotlights, did you know 18 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:49.880 that the term advertisement actually comes from the Latin advertire, 19 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:54.119 meaning to turn toward. That's exactly the kind of fascinating 20 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:56.399 detail we love to uncover on the show. 21 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.240 But it's not all trivia and recurring bits. We also 22 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.119 dive deep into the ethico dilemmas our hero's face. Lowki 23 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:05.319 alone provides enough material for a whole season on Superhero Morality, 24 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:07.319 not to mention that I can't wait till we get 25 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:08.000 to Civil War. 26 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:09.000 In our season. 27 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:10.599 Looking at Ironman three, we're. 28 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:11.439 Gonna mix things up a bit. 29 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:13.760 That's right, Rob and I are your guide, but instead 30 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:16.319 of our usual minute by minute format, we dive into 31 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:18.920 five minutes of the film in each weekly episode. 32 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:21.920 It's a totally new approach, but one that still allows 33 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:25.000 us to explore all the depth and detail that makes 34 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:28.719 these movies so special, even if Ironman three isn't all 35 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:29.879 that's special. 36 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.680 Hold on, that's where you're wrong, extremists, Shane. 37 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:37.120 Black, Yeah, would you like to look at the Mandarin? 38 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:38.079 And Maya Hanson? 39 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:43.079 So, whether you're a diehard Marvel fan or just love 40 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:47.280 deep dives into movies, there's something for everyone on Marvel 41 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:47.879 Movie Minute. 42 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:50.560 Dude up and join us on this epic audio adventure. 43 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:53.319 You can find us a true story dot FM or 44 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.040 by searching Marvel Movie Minute on your favorite podcatcher. 45 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:59.439 Because in the Marvel Cinematic universe, every minute is packed 46 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:00.000 with excitement. 47 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:03.599 Enough said, I hope you like Mustard Bye. 48 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:11.520 Ever, wonder where the devil got his horns? 49 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:13.439 How about those clove and hoovers for that pitch for it? 50 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:14.520 An angel? 51 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:15.479 No, he was a snake. 52 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.479 No, he's the great red drag. No, he's the beast. 53 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:21.400 He's the Prince of this world, Prince of Darkness, believes 54 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:24.319 the Prince of dark Good morning, Star lovelyi'es One of 55 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:25.599 my names is Lester Ryan. 56 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:27.759 Clark, and I sometimes go by Keenan Dias and. 57 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.879 We're the hosts of the brand new podcast The Devil's Details. 58 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.159 What comes to mind when I say Lucifer? 59 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.319 How about Satan? What about just the Devil? 60 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:37.560 How did the big bad of the Western world end 61 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.960 up with so many faces? Join us as we dig up, decipher, 62 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.719 and deconstruct the Devil's many forms throughout history. 63 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.319 Take a guided tour with Dante through the Nine Circles 64 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:46.840 of Hell. 65 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:50.240 Or revisit Satan's angsty bad boy years in Paradise Loss. 66 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.400 Learn the ins and outs of a Faustian contract. 67 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:54.400 Easier than a ten ninety nine, but with a hell 68 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:55.439 of a lot more fine Prince. 69 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:58.360 Slither on over to The Devil's Details on True Story 70 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:01.199 FM and join us in the Die of and. 71 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:03.800 His What didn't Alphaco play him in a movie. 72 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:07.000 Sure, there wasn't. Robert didn't the rest one that Elizabeth 73 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:08.560 go down to Georgia and some. 74 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:22.719 You better watch out, you better better watch out. You 75 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:23.439 better not cry. 76 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:24.560 Thank you, you better. 77 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:26.840 Watch out, You better not cry. I'm telling you why, 78 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:28.719 because the Rock is coming to get you. 79 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:29.479 Friends. 80 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:32.680 We're talking about Santa Claus and the Rock and JK. 81 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:36.360 Simmons and working out a lot because random fat phobia. 82 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:39.879 We are talking about the movie Red One. It's going 83 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:43.360 to be myself, Matthew here, your host of the Superherothics podcast, 84 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.439 along with Pete Wright, host of the film Board podcast. 85 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:48.080 We're kind of doing a joint presentation. 86 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:50.439 In other words, I said, hey, can anybody talk to 87 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:51.280 me about Red One? 88 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:54.680 Pete went Red One? Is that really worth watching? Okay? Sure? 89 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:57.159 And I draggooned him into being on this podcast with me. 90 00:03:57.240 --> 00:03:59.560 So Pete, uh has the dragooned party? 91 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:00.000 How do you feel? 92 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:07.240 Let's just say your invitation was essentially, Hey, this movie's terrible, 93 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:10.039 come talk about it with me on a podcast. I 94 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.960 don't know why I said yes, but I did, and 95 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.280 I am here, and I am thrilled to be here. 96 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:17.160 You know. 97 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:21.160 I described my feeling about this movie as the cinematic 98 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:23.759 equivalent of oh my god, this smells so bad. 99 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:24.600 Here smell this. 100 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.920 And I think you're on because over the many generations, 101 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:32.199 many millions of people have said, Okay, I will smell this, 102 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.439 I will have this highly unpleasant experience, except you decided, 103 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:39.720 except for two seconds of olfactory torture, you would engage 104 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:42.279 in ninety five minutes of cinematic torture. 105 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.199 Yes, and here's the thing, this is what may come 106 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:49.639 as a surprise. I watched this with my wife and 107 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:54.199 daughter and they both were all smiles throughout this movie. 108 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.720 And I have to say, like the surprise was when 109 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.240 they would look over at me, say why am I 110 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:03.839 having fun at this movie? This movie has no right 111 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:06.720 to make me smile like this? Why am I smiling 112 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:10.399 like this? And that I think is the is the 113 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:15.040 the the illusion of red one that actually makes it play. 114 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.560 And so I know we have several different sort of 115 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:21.439 angles we want to approach this movie, and so I'll 116 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:25.920 I'll see my points until later, but I'm. 117 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:28.279 Will get interesting, like do you want to say you've 118 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:31.639 presented a very intry experience where you the great cinophile 119 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:33.639 have said that they. 120 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:35.079 Were all smiles. 121 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:37.839 How you caught that right? 122 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.040 How do you, mister Pete Wright, are you going to 123 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:44.439 admit on national podcast, international podcast heard all around the 124 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.000 world by at least five hundred people. 125 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:48.360 What did you think of the movie? 126 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.480 I liked it more than you did. How about that? 127 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.879 If you are the bar, I crested it a bit. 128 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:57.279 That's fair. That's fair. 129 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:59.680 So for those who've been living under a rock, this 130 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.519 is the movie that stars the Rock, and Chris Evans 131 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:03.439 didn't even mean to do that. 132 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:06.360 The Rock is just ubiquitous, like rock. 133 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:10.079 This is fascinatingly that they make Chris Evans look small. 134 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.600 Yes, So the premise of the movie is that in 135 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:17.560 what I think is actually a really interesting bit of 136 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:20.759 folklore and world building that I would be behind if 137 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:22.839 it got its own show without the Rock in it. 138 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.560 That there's kind of a torch Wood like organization, a 139 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.920 secret organization that is tasked with the protection of mythological beings, 140 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:33.920 and that one of those mythological beings that's tasked with 141 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:38.600 protecting is Saint Nicholas Santa Claus as he is known 142 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:40.839 to the rest of us, or just read one as 143 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:45.560 this is code name, and the Rock is an entity. 144 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:51.000 His name is cam I think Cameron Canyon something like that. Oh, 145 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:57.720 he's call cal Callum Rift Drift, which sounds like a 146 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:00.000 name that would only be found in a nineteen ninety 147 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.360 video game or being played by the rock YEP. 148 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.480 And he is preternaturally old. 149 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:08.560 We're never actually told why, whether that's because he lives 150 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:11.839 at the North Pole where people age differently. 151 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:13.759 Or what they to imply he's not human. 152 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:15.199 They imply he's not human. 153 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:16.879 He's clearly not the size of an elf, and we 154 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.199 do see elves the size of Christmas elves that they're 155 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:21.560 off portrayed. So who knows what he is? But he 156 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:24.519 wants to retire. He wants to return to a normal life. 157 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.759 And why is that? Because there's just too many people 158 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:30.079 on the naughty List these days and he just he's 159 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.240 not seeing things in humanity that make him want to 160 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:39.480 do his job right. And Santa Claus, in a horrifically 161 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:41.879 anti labor message, spends most of the movie trying to 162 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:43.279 convince him that he doesn't get to go have his 163 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:45.199 own life, but that he should spend his life working 164 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.560 for the capital establishment. That is Santa so first problem there, 165 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:53.480 but he also reminds him that of course it is 166 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.680 their job to visit every boy and girl on Christmas 167 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:01.560 Eve around the world. Problem which we'll discuss in a moment, 168 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:04.800 because use flash, there are non Christian boys and girls 169 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:06.680 somewhere in the world. 170 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:07.879 Nobody told the movie. 171 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:12.199 Mates who don't celebrate Christmas. Atheist whatever it is anyway, 172 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.920 plot unbiased plot summary that someone else would give but 173 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:19.360 I wouldn't give. So we then find out that Chris Evans, 174 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:23.160 who is both the very best at his job but 175 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:26.759 also a down on his luck ne'er do well have 176 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.800 fun squaring that circle, is very very good at finding people, 177 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.679 and he's able to pierce the protections of the dome 178 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.399 of secrecy that they have around Red One in the 179 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:39.440 North Pole. But of course he doesn't know what's going on. 180 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.240 He doesn't believe in the North Pole or anything like that. 181 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.279 He only just knows that he's had a kid for 182 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:49.240 a number of years, which I'm not even gonna get 183 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:51.519 into my problems with that. I'll get to that later. Okay, 184 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:55.240 So the point of all this being that he has 185 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:56.720 he's not really a good guy. 186 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:58.679 He's he's a Level four naughty Lister. 187 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.919 But when Santa Claus is kidnapped, he's the only one 188 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:04.360 they can bring in, and so him and the Rock 189 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:08.080 go on adventures where they fight lots of CGI nonsense 190 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:12.519 and they encounter Crampis, and actually Crampus is portrayed kind 191 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:14.000 of awesomely in a way that I really like. And 192 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:16.360 it turns out the villain behind this is someone you 193 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:18.639 wouldn't have thought was the villain. And it's all about 194 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:21.919 a plot to stop having Santa, because Santa is too 195 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:24.200 nice and rewards too many people for being nice and 196 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:27.279 that's not okay, and the bad people should be punished. 197 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:29.679 So this is sort of like if Batman took over 198 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:31.759 Santa Claus, except you know, a very bad version of. 199 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:36.200 It, right, And I don't even think the movie's ideology 200 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:39.679 is that the Santa shouldn't exist. It's just that Santa 201 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:43.679 doesn't punish the naughty listers. We need to have balance 202 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:47.039 between it. We're gonna punish the bad people forever at 203 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:50.600 the hands of the Christmas Witch, and you know, we 204 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:54.279 need Santa's juju to do it now. 205 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.039 Of course, part of the whole point of this is 206 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.279 that Santa is a mythological being, and thus most people 207 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:02.879 don't believe in Santa. Pete, you have children, I believe 208 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:06.000 you also don't seem like a grinch. So I have 209 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:09.279 to imagine that your children, I think you've said you're 210 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:12.039 at least Christian in some form or another, that your 211 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:15.000 your children got gifts under a Christmas tree at some 212 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:19.279 point in time. Oh yeah, yeah, And I'm guessing that 213 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:22.039 you and your spouse or whoever it was, provided that 214 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:23.919 you put those gifts under the tree, and then other 215 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:25.080 people helped put them there under. 216 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.120 Yes. Yes, So all of that is this is a 217 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:31.480 grueling line of interrogation. 218 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:33.879 Okay, okay, well we're get I'm sorry it's personal, but 219 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:35.879 I had to make sure establish it to make you 220 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:36.679 the every man on. 221 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:40.080 The street question. I am that if. 222 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.919 Presents had magically appeared after you had gone to sleep 223 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:45.279 while visions of sugar. 224 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:47.200 Plums danced in your heads, and you'd. 225 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:51.360 Woken up and there were more presents out there, would 226 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:52.519 you believe in Santa Claus? 227 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:56.559 I would check the locks on my doors. 228 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:01.240 But if everyone at the PTA said, oh, yeah, we 229 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:02.000 had the same thing. 230 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:04.919 Did you get your delivery? Yeah, you know, there's a 231 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:09.399 certain uh, there's a certain degree of uh of just 232 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:13.480 sort of separating my personal experience from the microculture that 233 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.960 we've created in our home and with our family around 234 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:20.240 how we handle, you know, the spirit of generosity at 235 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.679 Christmas time that I have to separate because this movie 236 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:31.639 would be an antagonist to that microculture. And uh and 237 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:33.919 so you know, I try to look at these Chris, 238 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:37.279 all of the Christmas movies really that have this sort 239 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:41.960 of vibe where a red suited man breaks into your 240 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:47.519 home and leaves stuff. It's just part of the you know, 241 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:53.000 I say, heavy air quotes ancient tradition and mysticism that 242 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:57.600 is the commercial Christmas industry. And as many problems as 243 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:01.279 I have with that, how well do the movie execute 244 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.200 on that mysticism in like playing the hits in kind 245 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.960 of a new way? Is this is the question for 246 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:08.559 this movie. 247 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:11.200 I guess that's part of why I asked it, because 248 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:14.519 I thought it I thought it did that spectacularly badly. 249 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:16.360 That's honestly one of my biggest problems in the movie, 250 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.600 in part because excuse mean. The circle of people who 251 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.559 don't live at the North Pole but who are aware 252 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.679 of the existence of Santa Claus is expanded dramatically in 253 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:30.799 this movie. Among other things, one of the first things 254 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.080 we see is that it's the real Santa Claus at 255 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.399 a mall, and yeah, sure, he's pretending to be the 256 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:36.000 fake Santa. 257 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:38.399 Who's the real Santa. It's very miracle on thirty fourth Street. 258 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:39.600 I'm fine with that. 259 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:42.559 I actually thought that was clever. I thought that was fun. 260 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:44.799 It was a nice way of tying it into a 261 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:48.840 long tradition of Christmas movies. But then as he's leaving 262 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:51.960 this entity that I think we didn't agree that there's 263 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:54.799 now a secular American holiday called Christmas. 264 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:57.519 And yes, for sure, it is for the most. 265 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.480 Part divorced from the religious holiday that made Christians such 266 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:03.480 as myself celebrate. And there's a lot of people who 267 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.159 are non Christian, I think, who don't like the fact 268 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:08.360 that there's a secular American holiday that is directly derived 269 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:10.519 and uses the iconography of a Christian holiday. And that's 270 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:13.159 part it will discuss in a moment. But even as 271 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:17.000 fairly secularized, the fact that it is still the origin 272 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:18.879 of it is the birth of a Prince of peace, 273 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:22.200 I feel like should in some way be a little 274 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:23.080 bit of discussion. 275 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:29.519 When Santa Claus is escorted by two fighter jets armed 276 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:34.399 with missiles of the United States Air Force. 277 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.200 Yes, because Allelujah. Amen. 278 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:41.720 The pilots know that Santa exists. Yeah, the flight controllers 279 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:42.960 know that Santa exists. 280 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:47.320 Oh, the circle of awareness is broad with this movie. 281 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:51.879 Many at the international leader, world leaders know that Santa exists. 282 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:55.279 There is no question that Santa exists. That's the sort 283 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:56.879 of table stakes of the film. 284 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:58.679 I guess that's on of my point, because I think 285 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:04.159 you're right, most Santa films have that agreed degree of disbelief, 286 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:08.360 of suspension of belief that you're willing to say, Actually, 287 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:11.039 if Santa was real, that would mean every parent of 288 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.240 a child who celebrates Christmas in the world would know 289 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.879 that Santa was real, and the world would be a 290 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:17.960 very different place because of it, and probably would not 291 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:19.039 be a mythological being. 292 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.759 It would be like, you know, the Super post Office once. 293 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:23.279 A year, the Super post Office. 294 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.279 Yes, and most movies are allowed me to suspend that disbelief. 295 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:29.240 But I feel like this movie, by by trying to 296 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.399 make it more realistic, by trying to say like, here's 297 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.159 the mythologic here's the group of humans that work for this, 298 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.320 here's the politics around it, just shattered the disbelief for me. 299 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:42.399 I think that I get where you're going and I 300 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:44.799 think the thing that I struggle with is that in 301 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:47.759 order to make it more realistic, they have to introduce 302 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:52.519 bureaucracy to the Christmas industrial complex. Yes, right, yes, And 303 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:57.879 that becomes a challenge because that runs headlong into personal 304 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:01.159 and cultural belief systems around as you say, the Birth 305 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:07.600 of the Prince of Peace. So this movie presumes that 306 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:14.360 the only people who don't understand Santa are the people 307 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:19.720 who once believed and then lost that belief somehow, and 308 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.600 Jack in Chris Evans is the character that is sort 309 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:27.679 of our avatar for that that the in between, like 310 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:31.799 the people who ideologically don't even have a Santa in 311 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:36.240 their belief system, are completely ignored. That's a thing that 312 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:39.679 the movie decided we're not even going to pay any 313 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:44.320 attention to that. This movie is for the believers and 314 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:46.480 the people who don't believe anymore that we're trying to 315 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:49.879 bring back, and they talk about our numbers are down 316 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.440 year over year. Like that level of bureaucracy I think 317 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:58.120 just runs headlong into the piece and generosity thing. 318 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:01.080 And I would say that leads to perhaps my second 319 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:05.080 biggest problem with this movie, which is how aggressively it 320 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.360 universalizes the idea of Santa, and because I would say 321 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:09.799 it actually what you said of it to ignore, I 322 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.399 don't think it ignores. There are a couple of times 323 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:15.679 where like one direct statement is that Santa is able 324 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.840 to visit every child on Earth, which I think is 325 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.399 probably a great surprise to a lot of Hindu children 326 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.639 and Buddhist children, and his children celebrate Christmas. 327 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:30.000 Well, I will say, I'll correct that statement. It presumes 328 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:34.639 all children of all nationalities are of the same ideology, 329 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:38.159 right right, Yeah, Wait, that's the false presumption. 330 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:40.799 And even when it gets to like all these world 331 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:43.759 leaders who are like, oh my gosh, what's going to happen? Yeah, 332 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:47.039 I'm going to guess that the president of India and 333 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.679 the president of China and other places where Christianity is 334 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.960 a small minority are not terribly troubled by the idea 335 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:55.919 of that Santa Claus is not going to exist. 336 00:16:55.879 --> 00:17:00.639 Right, right, And so to have this secret sort of 337 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:07.119 underground teleportation system that brings you from from a toy 338 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:10.799 store in New York to a toy store in Bangalore 339 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:16.039 is maybe not a thing that would be welcome by 340 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:17.079 the industrial state. 341 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.559 I wild also say that, as someone who has been 342 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.519 a part of you know, working in game stores for 343 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.440 a while and been in there for an email contact 344 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.720 with a lot of very remote game store owners who 345 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:34.559 have great problems getting packed, getting product to their store. Yes, 346 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:36.880 store in New York could simply shove a box through 347 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.160 the closet, you know, and let it up here in Mangalore. 348 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:40.839 I think that would save a lot of problems. 349 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:43.920 That would save a lot of problems. So, you know, 350 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:49.359 all of those things are are a bit troublesome when 351 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.960 you stop and like really interrogate the movie and the movies, 352 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:57.960 you know, report a belief system, and then we get 353 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:05.319 to the the sort of retribution for past sins. Yeah, 354 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:08.359 I imagined as I was watching it that that's a 355 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:11.000 part you would have a significant challenge with. 356 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:14.559 Honestly, I'm still on the universalizing of Christmas, one or 357 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:17.079 two other things on that, and then we will get 358 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:19.000 to that a promise, Yeah, I think for me. The 359 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:23.200 other reason why I find it so problematic is if 360 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:27.039 this was about a Chinese holiday, a Chinese New Year 361 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:30.759 or something like that, I would feel very simp because 362 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:33.319 the thing is, this movie doesn't exist in a cultural 363 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:36.920 context where the idea of pushing Christmas onto people who 364 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:39.680 don't want to celebrate Christmas is just fine and dandy. 365 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:42.200 We live in a world in which people on social 366 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:44.960 media believe there is quite literally a war on Christmas 367 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.359 and are therefore fighting a war against non Christmas, and 368 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:50.920 so all of that, I think just added to why 369 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:53.839 I was like, this is just not a fun movie 370 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:56.240 or a good movie, as well as all of it's 371 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.599 breaking the suspended to disbelief, and I just wanted to 372 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:02.319 add one more thing, and I promised to get off 373 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:05.000 the soapbox and go another Did you see the movie 374 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:06.960 Noel Spelled n Oe. 375 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:10.440 L e Yes with Bill Hayter and Anna Kendrick. 376 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:13.319 Yes, it's one of many many Santa movies that you've 377 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:14.559 made that you've seen. 378 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:14.839 I don't. 379 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:17.559 I don't know how many you've made, but you reference 380 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:19.400 the fact. There's many many, and it's not the best 381 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:22.039 by any means, but it's cute and has some nice points, sure, 382 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:25.599 but it deals with this issue so much better in 383 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:28.400 a three second scene that just I want to remember 384 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:30.880 because it shows why it can be so different. Because 385 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.440 in the movie, the idea is that there's sort of 386 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:36.279 a new Stanta of every generation, and this time, why 387 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:38.039 can't it be a girl? I think I think it's 388 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:41.400 somewhat heredity or heredity hereditary and like the Daughter of 389 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:42.400 Santa or something like that. 390 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:43.160 I don't remember. 391 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:47.599 But this woman Noel becomes Santa Claus Anna Kendrick, and 392 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:50.200 it's great, and she has some problems and foibles, like 393 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:53.119 your classic first day on the job, no one believes 394 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:56.119 in me kind of stuff, fun movie. And there's one 395 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:58.680 scene where she's still figuring out exactly what homes to 396 00:19:58.720 --> 00:19:59.079 go to. 397 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:00.519 She goes down a. 398 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.039 Chimney and finds a family that is playing dradl and 399 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:07.400 is very clearly very Jewish, right, and she just says 400 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:10.359 to them, oh, sorry, wrong house, and they all kind 401 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.160