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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And wouldn't there be maybe a supernatural technology associated

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<v Speaker 2>with that epod if it's anything like the urim and

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<v Speaker 2>thumbum that the priests used to go into the presence

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<v Speaker 2>of of God. There's there seemed to be some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a reason that they had twelve different types of stones,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, there seemed to be like like something

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<v Speaker 2>magical about it, uh or or maybe not magical, but

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<v Speaker 2>something some sort of a technology there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely, because you know, the consensus is, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody really knows what the the umine and thummim exactly were.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people believed that it was because it talks about

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<v Speaker 3>it was under the ephod, So was this you know,

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<v Speaker 3>stones that were connected to the epod breastplate, but just

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<v Speaker 3>on the inside. Some people think that these were you know,

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<v Speaker 3>divining stones, divination stones like ruins, and they were in

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<v Speaker 3>a bag on a cord underneath the e fod. Because

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<v Speaker 3>then when you get to King Saul and David and

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<v Speaker 3>all these kings, many times before they go make a

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<v Speaker 3>decision to go to war or some kind of major decision,

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<v Speaker 3>they all say they wanted to uh consult the Umim

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<v Speaker 3>and Thummim and it's pretty cool when you when you

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<v Speaker 3>dive into that. I did an episode with Ryan Peterson

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<v Speaker 3>called Powerful Stones, and we talked about that and broke

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<v Speaker 3>that down, and he was saying that some people believe

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<v Speaker 3>that it was these divination stones that you pulled out

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<v Speaker 3>and you asked a question, and like they were like

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<v Speaker 3>one was colored black, one was colored white, these two stones.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, so if the black one rolled out, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it could have been a no, like the.

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<v Speaker 4>Magic eight ball, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And he threw out all these different theories he said,

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<v Speaker 3>but one I think is really cool.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, some people believe that.

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<v Speaker 3>These stones lit up on the chest kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>Simon says, and there was initials and Hebrew letters on

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<v Speaker 3>these tablets and that when they would you know, ask

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<v Speaker 3>the questions and do all the rituals and stuff, that

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<v Speaker 3>these stones on this breastplate would actually light up.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's that's the new one for me. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>crystals in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 3>And once again a lot of people get hung up

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<v Speaker 3>be like that's new age that stuff that they have

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<v Speaker 3>all same thing with astrology and astronomy. Once again, it

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<v Speaker 3>goes back to Paul. We traded the truth for a

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<v Speaker 3>lie and worship the created things instead of the creator. God,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, gives permission and instructions on how to use

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<v Speaker 3>these breastplates in these stones to communicate with him. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>he gives you all these plans. It's from medicinal purposes

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<v Speaker 3>to for your benefit. Your brain has receptors to receive

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of these chemicals and all these different things.

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<v Speaker 3>And it says, I, you know, put the moon and

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<v Speaker 3>the stars in the furnament for signs and for seasons.

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<v Speaker 3>You're supposed to look up there. He put them up

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<v Speaker 3>there for a reason, for signs and seasons. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>mankind once again, of the heart, the intentions. We perverted it,

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<v Speaker 3>and we worshiped these stars and heavenly bodies like they

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<v Speaker 3>were gods. We worshiped these crystals and stones like they

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<v Speaker 3>were God. We got so infused with Pharmachiah that we

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<v Speaker 3>worshiped the plants and the minerals. We traded the truth

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<v Speaker 3>for a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it all gets kind of twisted and perverted

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<v Speaker 2>once it gets into human hands. But even back to

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<v Speaker 2>astronomy and astrology, that's a part of the story of

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<v Speaker 2>the birth of Jesus. You know, the three wise men.

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<v Speaker 2>We're using the heavens to map out their journey. And

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<v Speaker 2>even in that story too, you've got King Herod, who

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking at something recently and I found out

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<v Speaker 2>that King Herod was actually an Edomite, and we see

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<v Speaker 2>how he wanted to kill baby Jesus. He wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>find the child and kill it. And I see that too,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe as being a continuation of this seed war.

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<v Speaker 3>M Yeah, because like I said, you had these garments,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was the birth right you keep hearing about,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the birthright, the birthright, That's what this was.

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<v Speaker 3>And when you go to the Book of jash Er,

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<v Speaker 3>you follow that and it gets passed to the eldest son.

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<v Speaker 4>Enoch had it.

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<v Speaker 3>He went to Methuselah. From Methusla went to Noah. From Noah,

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<v Speaker 3>it went over the Great flood, and it says that

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<v Speaker 3>in Ham's going out, hams toole the garments and they

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<v Speaker 3>wind up with Nimrod. And then it says that Esau,

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<v Speaker 3>who also was a mighty hunter of the field, that

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<v Speaker 3>was the same title that Nimrod had. So this was

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<v Speaker 3>a battle of the ego. Here you had two men

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<v Speaker 3>that were both claimed to be the mighty hunter of

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<v Speaker 3>the field. And I've told people on shows before, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like the Highlander. You know, there can only be one baby.

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<v Speaker 3>And it said in the Book of Jeshure that Nimrod

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<v Speaker 3>looked upon Esau with the envy and hatred all of

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<v Speaker 3>his days, and that he went out into the field

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<v Speaker 3>to hunt this sasquatch guy. And I tell him it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like a gaston and beauty and the beast.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he was the mighty hunter, and he went

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<v Speaker 3>after this beast of a man and wanted his head

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<v Speaker 3>on his walld for the bragging rights. But Esau kills

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<v Speaker 3>him and two of his gible rem men. Same word

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<v Speaker 3>used to describe the Nephilum giants, and Nimrod himself was

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<v Speaker 3>described as a giant. And according to the Book of Jasher,

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<v Speaker 3>that's how he became a gibb or ring. Because in

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<v Speaker 3>Genesis says that Nimrod became a gibble ring. The Book

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<v Speaker 3>of Jasher equates that to him getting these garments and

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<v Speaker 3>putting them on.

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<v Speaker 2>Might that be a fourth, I don't know, a fourth

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<v Speaker 2>iteration of the serpent seed, where you've got Caine, Esau, Nephilim,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you've got this guy in Nimrod who becomes

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<v Speaker 2>serpent seed.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that track with you?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, And that's the thing too, is it's the

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<v Speaker 3>battle of the seeds and the battle of the birthright.

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<v Speaker 3>Because think about it and I kind of jumped around.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll backtrack just a little bit for those that's not

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<v Speaker 3>listened to me on another show. It's my theory that

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<v Speaker 3>at the Fall in the garden it says that God

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<v Speaker 3>uh covers their nakedness, you know, with with with according

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<v Speaker 3>to what translation you read or how you you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what denomination he was raised in, but made garments of skins. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>when you go to the Hebrew, it says that God

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<v Speaker 3>he'll bished their nakedness with a connon it and he'll

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<v Speaker 3>bish is you know, covering of the nakedness. And then

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<v Speaker 3>when you get to connone it. Most often that word

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<v Speaker 3>is translated as tunic, but some English translations just changed

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<v Speaker 3>it to skins.

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<v Speaker 4>And so. But when you go through.

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<v Speaker 3>God's instructions to the priests and to Moses on how

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<v Speaker 3>to create these priestly garments, it uses that exact same verbage.

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<v Speaker 3>It says that the ephod that they made in their

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<v Speaker 3>wilderness wanderings were to was a connonet and it was

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<v Speaker 3>used to heal bish their nakedness. So it's drawing and

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<v Speaker 3>pointing back with what scholars like to call the law

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<v Speaker 3>first mentioned. When the word is used or a phrase

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<v Speaker 3>is used first, it sets the standard, and when they

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<v Speaker 3>use it again, they're pointing back to that first time

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<v Speaker 3>that it was used. And all rabbis point their beginnings

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<v Speaker 3>to Adam. The rabbinic tradition is is that Adam was

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<v Speaker 3>the first king and priest of all creation. And remember

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<v Speaker 3>it is equal. Twenty eight said that Satan was perfect

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<v Speaker 3>in all his ways. In the garden, every precious stone

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<v Speaker 3>was is covering. He defiled his sanctuary. So in the

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<v Speaker 3>book I lay out the theory that when Satan was

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<v Speaker 3>cast out, his priestly position was taken from him, and

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<v Speaker 3>his garments, something he wore with pride, was ripped away

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<v Speaker 3>from him and given to humanity, given to Adam. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's how Adam become the first priest and king of

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<v Speaker 3>all creation. And that was the birthright, the priesthood, the authority,

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<v Speaker 3>symbol of kingship. So of course Satan wants these back,

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<v Speaker 3>and if he's got a seed, he's going to do

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<v Speaker 3>everything he can to try to get his sons to

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<v Speaker 3>get this birthright and those garments back into the family.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why I say.

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<v Speaker 3>That give him a lot of good motivation to flip

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<v Speaker 3>the two seeds in the wound to make Esau come

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<v Speaker 3>out first. Because he was the eldest, he'd be first

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<v Speaker 3>in line to get the garments. And then when he

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<v Speaker 3>kills Nimrod, it says that he steals the garment's back

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<v Speaker 3>and then runs back home. And here's where you get

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<v Speaker 3>that ties into the Book of Genesis, the trading of

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<v Speaker 3>the birthright. That never made sense because it says he

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<v Speaker 3>just fought three giants, killed them all and killed King Neimrod,

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<v Speaker 3>probably sustained some life threatening injuries, and he just killed

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<v Speaker 3>the king. He's on the run man. So he runs

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<v Speaker 3>in home, probably bleeding out, got some life threatening injuries,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's asking his brother, you know, sew me up,

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<v Speaker 3>bandage my wounds, give me something to eat, hide me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm desperate, I'm in trouble. And he just told the

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<v Speaker 3>birth right the garments, and Jacob seizes the opportunity. He's like, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>trading your birthright. And then that's why he said, fine,

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<v Speaker 3>take it. What use is a birthright to me when

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<v Speaker 3>I'm dead. Now, that makes a lot more sense than

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<v Speaker 3>just he come in from the field exhausted and traded

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<v Speaker 3>his birthright.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and he was I should note too, I've

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<v Speaker 2>always read it like this. I got the sense that

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<v Speaker 2>he was extremely famished. He was very hungry because he

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<v Speaker 2>had been in a battle. Essentially, he was fighting these

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<v Speaker 2>giants and that took it out of him, and he

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<v Speaker 2>probably sustained injuries too as well. And I've always had

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<v Speaker 2>this thought, and this might just be my imagination, but

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<v Speaker 2>I always had this thought that back then, the Earth's

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<v Speaker 2>atmosphere was different, and you know, plants were, maybe bigger,

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<v Speaker 2>things were possibly just different. I always thought that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>ancient man healed differently than we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they needed to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they could heal from their wounds on a

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<v Speaker 2>level that.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't today.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it took them two hours to heal something that

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<v Speaker 2>might take us a couple of days. And he had

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<v Speaker 2>to get that food in him though, to jump start

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<v Speaker 2>that process. Now that's just conjecture, But regardless of the

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<v Speaker 2>healing part and the wounds part, he was battling these

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<v Speaker 2>guys and that did take it out of him.

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<v Speaker 1>He needed to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>So that bowl of stew probably looked probably looked like

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<v Speaker 2>his lifeline in that.

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<v Speaker 4>Moment, and you could very well be right.

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<v Speaker 3>And how I looked at it was just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like a like an allegory, you know, like it was

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<v Speaker 3>the soup. Yeah, it might have been a literal soup,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was like, no, hide me, protect me, give

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<v Speaker 3>me nourishment, you know. But there is one cool thing

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<v Speaker 3>I read in a book. I can't remember the name

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<v Speaker 3>of it now, but it was I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Laura Sanger's book on the Federal Reserve, but she

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<v Speaker 3>was talking about Esau. She had a chapter or two

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<v Speaker 3>in there, and she said that this red lentonel stew

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<v Speaker 3>was a cool part in the Jewish heritage because at

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of that story in Genesis, it says that

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<v Speaker 3>at this time Abraham had died, but Esau went out

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<v Speaker 3>this red stew and then came home and trade the birthright.

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<v Speaker 3>But there was all kinds of Jewish tradition of making

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<v Speaker 3>it was like the way she painted it was that

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<v Speaker 3>where Jacob was a man of the house, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>where Esau was just a wild carnal man, a manly

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<v Speaker 3>man that when Abraham had passed away, the family was

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<v Speaker 3>So it painted Jacob in this light even more favorably,

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<v Speaker 3>And then when Esau come back home, beat probably beat

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<v Speaker 3>for his mourning father because that was part of the tradition,

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<v Speaker 3>So once again it was painting Esau in a non

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder too, if it's another example of real life

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<v Speaker 2>if these were red lentils. You know, that is a

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<v Speaker 2>of years, and they specifically red lentils because they keep

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<v Speaker 2>longer than rice. It's just it would have been a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect food for the ancients to have around and use

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<v Speaker 2>because it goes, it will fill up a stew, it'll

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<v Speaker 2>give your you know, if you have a soup, it'll

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<v Speaker 2>You could eat it with eggs, you can eat it

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<v Speaker 2>with meat, and it stores for long periods of time,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically red lentil. So I always wondered if that was

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<v Speaker 2>what they're talking about in that story, like specifically red

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<v Speaker 2>lentil's just because it's been used.

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<v Speaker 1>For so long. There's all kinds of cool, little.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I was getting to I backed up and

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<v Speaker 3>you mentioned, you know, the Edomites and the different you know,

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<v Speaker 3>then I remember that I didn't give the backstory of

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<v Speaker 3>once this happens, it's kind of like he verbally agrees

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<v Speaker 3>with his brother, but it's kind of like in the

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<v Speaker 3>back of his mind he was desperate and he was like, ah,

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<v Speaker 3>there is no witnesses. If I make it through this,

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<v Speaker 4>Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>But then at the the death of Isaac, when Isaac

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<v Speaker 3>his life was slipping away that he went blind. Once again,

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<v Speaker 3>we see that this is not hyperbole like you had mentioned.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, oh, maybe his arms were Harry, or maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it was. This was just poetic language. They have to

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<v Speaker 3>and wrap up Jacob in this fur to fool his

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<v Speaker 3>and then steals the blessing. So this was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like the lawyer's office signing the paperwork. The deal is done.

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<v Speaker 3>So when Esau comes in and realize he's been been

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<v Speaker 3>he becomes angry and says he's going to kill his brother,

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<v Speaker 3>so his mother sends him away but here's where he

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<v Speaker 3>goes into like full rebellion, and he takes two wives

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<v Speaker 3>from the Canaanites and they are whoreite in hebites. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if you listen to Gary Wayne or take

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<v Speaker 3>a deep dive into the genealogies there, those were known

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<v Speaker 3>Nephilim giant tribes. So here you have this Harry quote

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<v Speaker 3>unquote man marrying and interbreeding with Nephilim giant clans, you

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<v Speaker 3>have a really high probability of throwing some strange looking pups.

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<v Speaker 3>And Esau's nephew, his son was Eliphaz eliphas also took

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<v Speaker 3>who an entire tribe of Nephilim giants was named after,

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<v Speaker 3>called the Amalakites, and that name in Hebrew means blood liquors.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is the first tribe that God's people have

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<v Speaker 3>encounters with in their wilderness wanderings. And they're described like

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<v Speaker 3>like militia type warfare. They hid in the woods, like

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<v Speaker 3>in the shadows, and the old men and women that

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<v Speaker 3>And they finally come to a head and have a battle,

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<v Speaker 3>but it takes the supernatural will of God and the

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<v Speaker 3>Moses's staff. Moses has to go up on the hill,

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<v Speaker 3>and it says that the Amalekites were winning the war,

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<v Speaker 3>but when Moses went up there and held up his staff,

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<v Speaker 3>then Israel could overcome them. So it was like some

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<v Speaker 3>sorcery was going on behind the scenes between their magicians

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<v Speaker 3>and Moses. And there's where you get all your rules,

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<v Speaker 3>and you don't get rules and regulations unless those rules

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<v Speaker 3>regulations are already being broken. And it says, no longer

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<v Speaker 3>will you use sacrifice to hore you go demons. No

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<v Speaker 3>longer will you pass your children through the fire.

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<v Speaker 4>No longer will.

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<v Speaker 3>You seek necromancers and sorcerers. And the Book of Isaiah

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<v Speaker 3>talks about the hairy wild harry wildlings or.

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<v Speaker 4>Something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But when you go into the septuagen in the original languages,

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<v Speaker 3>they're talking about satyrs, fonds, half goat, half men. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so here I think this is telling God's people were

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<v Speaker 3>seeing these people, and these people were practicing those acts.

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<v Speaker 3>They were practicing passing children through the fire, they were

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<v Speaker 3>practicing necromancy and sorcery. They were drinking the blood and

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<v Speaker 3>doing all these things, and they were imitating them and

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<v Speaker 3>copying them. And that's why God come and said, don't

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<v Speaker 3>do this, don't do that. And Rashi, it was a

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<v Speaker 3>medieval rabbi that had done a lot of work on

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<v Speaker 3>the the Midrash and the targums, wrote his own commentaries

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff. He said that when God said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>go into the land and go it devout to destruction

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<v Speaker 3>these Nefhlin giant clans, it says, kill every man, woman,

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<v Speaker 3>and child, and even animal.

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<v Speaker 4>Was because they these people.

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<v Speaker 3>Were known sorcerers and they were shape shifters, that they

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you know that the goat demon thing that really

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<v Speaker 2>stood out to me. I've got this version that I

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<v Speaker 2>read from earlier, is a new revised standard version, and

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<v Speaker 2>in this version it says multiple times it talks about

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<v Speaker 2>the goat demons in the Old Testament, And there's that

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<v Speaker 2>one I'm blinking on.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was Deuteronomy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to remember what what book it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, when they when they.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about sacrifice, they say in this version, it says

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<v Speaker 2>something onlines of send a goat out into the wilderness

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<v Speaker 2>for Azazel, but they capitalize it capital a Azazel as

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<v Speaker 2>if it's being sent out there to an entity.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But and and and it seems like.

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<v Speaker 2>Azazel is kind of maybe connected to the goat demons

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<v Speaker 2>in some sort of way. I'm I'm not really sure

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<v Speaker 2>about that, but I want to say that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a want a passage in there where it seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>the two were mentioned very closely to each other. Azazel,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is just probably a follen angel who was

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<v Speaker 2>trapped in that region potentially.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but Mizzel, But yeah, and I think too was

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<v Speaker 3>you have Esau this, this hairy man created an entire

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<v Speaker 3>tribe and nation of people by breeding with these giants.

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<v Speaker 3>So they had these you know, some of them might

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<v Speaker 3>have been giants, some of them been average heights, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>All of them were covered in hair.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they probably wore you know, helmets or hats

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<v Speaker 3>with horns just to try maybe make themselves even look

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<v Speaker 3>even more intimidating. And they were sacrificing children, drinking the

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<v Speaker 3>blood of their enemies and doing necromancy and sorcery, and

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<v Speaker 3>people had legends that they were shape shifters hiding out

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<v Speaker 3>in the woods and picking them off, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>all this stuff. So it's like, I believe that's who

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you're getting a dose of folklore and encryptids

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<v Speaker 2>in that story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think too, I mean Esau and maybe his descendants.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that he would have looked like something

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<v Speaker 2>if we follow the text, he would have looked like Chewbacca,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe with like a human face, but he would have

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<v Speaker 2>been that Harry, it seems like, and there seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be something connecting. There seems to be some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a marker here, because I think too with isn't the

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<v Speaker 2>mark of Cain? Isn't part of that where he becomes

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<v Speaker 2>Harry as well?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when you go through the the the oral traditions

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<v Speaker 3>of the Jewish people and then you get into the midrash,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what they say in that guy.

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<v Speaker 4>I mentioned earlier that medieval.

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<v Speaker 3>Rabbi Rashi talks about that too, and he was saying

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<v Speaker 3>that Cain's cursing was that he was covered in hair

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<v Speaker 3>and he was given a horn, and that's why he

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<v Speaker 3>was so freaked out about being killed because number one,

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<v Speaker 3>he looked like this Harry beast and the people the

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<v Speaker 3>day six p people that were already out there was

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<v Speaker 3>going to hunt him down and kill him, or that

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<v Speaker 3>beasts of the field would see him as a predator

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<v Speaker 3>and probably get tore apart by wild animals. So he

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<v Speaker 3>was in his mind he was screwed on both ends.

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<v Speaker 3>He was just terrified. But what's really cool is when

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<v Speaker 3>you go through the Midrash and that guy Rashi is

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<v Speaker 3>that in Genesis you have this story of Limec and

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<v Speaker 3>it says that one day he just comes in and

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<v Speaker 3>he says, if Kine was cursed time seven, I'll be

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<v Speaker 3>cursed seventy times seven. I just killed a man and

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<v Speaker 3>in my anger struck down a youth. Well, according to Midrash,

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<v Speaker 3>was that Limeck was going blind in his older age,

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<v Speaker 3>and that his youngest son would go hunting with him

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<v Speaker 3>and aid him help him track the animal, point his

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<v Speaker 3>out in the woods, and his son squares up his

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<v Speaker 3>bow for his dad and tells him to shoot, and

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<v Speaker 3>they dropped it the beast and when they walk up,

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<v Speaker 3>they realize that it's Cain, and in his anger, Lamette

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<v Speaker 3>kills his son for the mistake, and Rochie says that

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<v Speaker 3>it's his belief that people misunderstood the cursing, that it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't saying that whoever kills Kane will be cursed time seven.

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<v Speaker 3>That God was saying that Able's blood would be revenged

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<v Speaker 3>in the seventh generation. It was a prophecy and when

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<v Speaker 3>you count down, limec was the seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, yeah, you don't hear that. That take on that

421
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:53.599
<v Speaker 2>curse very much. That's that makes sense, makes all the sense.

422
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:55.559
<v Speaker 3>And my thing is too, is I mean, like any

423
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.200
<v Speaker 3>good investigator, you go to the source. If you have

424
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.000
<v Speaker 3>a police officer and you're the police officer and show

425
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:05.279
<v Speaker 3>up to a call and there's two guys standing in

426
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:09.079
<v Speaker 3>front of a store that just got robbed, and one

427
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:12.160
<v Speaker 3>of the other cops tell you, hey, the you know,

428
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:15.480
<v Speaker 3>do your interview. The one on the left was here

429
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.000
<v Speaker 3>and seeing it all happen, and the one on the

430
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:25.640
<v Speaker 3>right was four blocks down. But he heard from his sister, sisters, sisters,

431
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:28.640
<v Speaker 3>brother the story, who do you want to talk to?

432
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 3>You want to talk to the guy that was there,

433
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 3>and So that's how I look at these ancient legends

434
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:39.680
<v Speaker 3>and these other non biblical writings, because they were from

435
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:43.359
<v Speaker 3>that time. It was their culture, it was their stories.

436
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:48.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to take their word over a twenty first

437
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 3>century scholar or preacher that's you know, reading it with

438
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 3>their contextual eyes. I want to get to the source

439
00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:58.559
<v Speaker 3>if I can.

440
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, you know, you see too in the ancient world.

441
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:08.640
<v Speaker 2>You see serpent iconography throughout the ancient world. It's it's

442
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:12.480
<v Speaker 2>all throughout just about everywhere, especially South America, you see

443
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:16.119
<v Speaker 2>it a lot. And I was wondering, of course, we

444
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:19.799
<v Speaker 2>have serpent mound here in Ohio as well, and there

445
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:24.039
<v Speaker 2>are other serpent mounds here in the US that people

446
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:28.160
<v Speaker 2>don't know about. Like there's a guy I follow that

447
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:31.319
<v Speaker 2>goes through and digs up old accounts of giants and

448
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.640
<v Speaker 2>he posts them, and he was he found an old

449
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 2>article that referenced seven or eight serpent mounds in addition

450
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:43.079
<v Speaker 2>to the one in Ohio. And I know I've seen

451
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:46.759
<v Speaker 2>one in India Indiana as well. There's one in Indiana

452
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:48.960
<v Speaker 2>that people don't know about. I've seen the pictures of it,

453
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:52.680
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just wondering, do you think that that somehow

454
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:53.519
<v Speaker 2>fits into this.

455
00:28:55.720 --> 00:29:03.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, And I think it kind of revolves around

456
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 3>into even the the d MT, the ayahuasca, the mushrooms,

457
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:12.960
<v Speaker 3>because you know, in the Book of Enoch, it says

458
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.519
<v Speaker 3>that one of the things that they taught humanity was

459
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:20.599
<v Speaker 3>the cutting of roots. And I tell people it's kind

460
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 3>of like at the Fall, it's kind of like we

461
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:29.240
<v Speaker 3>had our If you look at your brain is like

462
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.119
<v Speaker 3>a radio, like an old school radio with the dial.

463
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:39.880
<v Speaker 3>It's a it's a receiver. In your eyes are the

464
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:42.039
<v Speaker 3>the thing you used to see, but it's tuned to

465
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.279
<v Speaker 3>this certain channel in your brain that transcribes it and

466
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 3>tells you what you're seeing. It's like in the garden

467
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.240
<v Speaker 3>we walked amongst the sons of God and God himself.

468
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.720
<v Speaker 3>It's like, you know, if you want to relate that

469
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:58.640
<v Speaker 3>to dimensions, it's like we were like in a fifth, sixth,

470
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 3>eighth dimension and at the Fall, it's like that wire

471
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:06.839
<v Speaker 3>was cutting, our radio channel was turned and these fallen angels.

472
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:12.200
<v Speaker 3>To communicate with these people was through these plants and

473
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.319
<v Speaker 3>the cutting of these roots, this pharmachia, and they tied

474
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.119
<v Speaker 3>it to us. That way we could take these things

475
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 3>and go up an extra dimension. Or two and tune

476
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 3>that receptor so we could see and communicate with them,

477
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:28.920
<v Speaker 3>and that's what they wanted. And without fail, when you

478
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 3>go through Rick strassman studies where he was hooking up

479
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.319
<v Speaker 3>ivs and dripping pure DMT to people and doing all

480
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 3>those studies. Darby in his book The Cosmic Serpent, without fail,

481
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:49.279
<v Speaker 3>all these people that take these mind altering drugs and

482
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:52.720
<v Speaker 3>go into this other realm, they mess with that frequency

483
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:57.240
<v Speaker 3>without fail, every single one sees what they describe as

484
00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:02.279
<v Speaker 3>a cosmic serpent, this huge serpent with glowing scales and

485
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 3>sparkled and it's a shining one. And like you said,

486
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 3>you have this serpentine iconography everywhere, and scripture describes him

487
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:18.480
<v Speaker 3>as that ancient twisting serpent. So it's like kuld he shapeshift.

488
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:23.599
<v Speaker 3>Was this just an allegory an epithet? I mean, we

489
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 3>don't know, but we do know that there was an

490
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:32.559
<v Speaker 3>obvious correlation to the serpent and him. Some people even

491
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 3>talk about, you know, like serpentine looking humanoids. It's just

492
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 3>that's one of those things that we will speculate forever

493
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 3>and probably never figure out till the end. But it's

494
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.599
<v Speaker 3>definitely interesting to look into it.

495
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 4>And postulate.

496
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>The DMT.

497
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Aspect that you brought. That's that's an interesting point there.

498
00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:00.519
<v Speaker 2>There's a guy who I'm thinking about bringing on to

499
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 2>the show. I talked to him for about an hour

500
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:05.480
<v Speaker 2>and a half on the phone a couple of weeks ago,

501
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 2>and he was telling me about his experiences with DMT,

502
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.720
<v Speaker 2>which were extensive. It wasn't just a couple of times

503
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.119
<v Speaker 2>like he's gone. He's done it a lot. And he

504
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.759
<v Speaker 2>was telling me about it, and what was happening to

505
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>him was and He's told me flat out, He's like,

506
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:26.480
<v Speaker 2>when you take this, you.

507
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Go into another dimension.

508
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, yeah, that's what I That's what

509
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I thought. I was like that, that's been my suspicion.

510
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, it seems that way. And I asked him,

511
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what makes you say that, and he's like, well,

512
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:43.039
<v Speaker 2>he got to a point there where every time I

513
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>took it, I was talking to the same entity, and

514
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I was picking up where the conversation left off from

515
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:56.319
<v Speaker 2>the previous trip. And he's like, the entity told me

516
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:59.559
<v Speaker 2>her name and everything. And I'm probably just not gonna

517
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>go too far or into this because I'll just let

518
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.839
<v Speaker 2>him tell it because it's his story, but that was

519
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:05.960
<v Speaker 2>enough for me right there and then, and then he

520
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:09.960
<v Speaker 2>went on to further describe this situation, but they were

521
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:15.000
<v Speaker 2>carrying on a conversation almost like if your phone call

522
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 2>got interrupted and you'd call the person back, and yeah, yeah, absolutely,

523
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:28.359
<v Speaker 2>So I think that that was an ancient form, not

524
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>even ancient, I guess it's just been around now for

525
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:35.279
<v Speaker 2>all time. It's a form of making contact with these

526
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 2>entities in this in this other realm. And it's crazy

527
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>because a week after I had that conversation with him,

528
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>he told me the name of this entity that he

529
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:47.440
<v Speaker 2>was talking to.

530
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>And a week.

531
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:53.359
<v Speaker 2>After that, I was going through and I was looking

532
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.119
<v Speaker 2>into some old uh the origins of the Nazis and

533
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.680
<v Speaker 2>all that. There's a book that the Nazis were very

534
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:06.759
<v Speaker 2>heavily into called the Aura Linda, and it deals with

535
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.639
<v Speaker 2>a group of people in the islands of northern Germany

536
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.119
<v Speaker 2>who have their still to this day. They have their

537
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:18.199
<v Speaker 2>own language and their own culture there, and in this

538
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:25.320
<v Speaker 2>book they are the people of this entity.

539
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Right.

540
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:31.679
<v Speaker 2>So, I don't know if I'm doing a good job

541
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.840
<v Speaker 2>of explaining. I'm trying not to say the name of

542
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:36.880
<v Speaker 2>this this entity, but if that makes sense, but they

543
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:38.440
<v Speaker 2>they're called Phrisians.

544
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.599
<v Speaker 1>These people that, yeah, and the.

545
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Nazis kind of found a tribute their their descendants to

546
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:52.199
<v Speaker 2>another one of these Atlantean Ariyan type of bloodlines.

547
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:54.079
<v Speaker 1>But they answer to one.

548
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Specific entity, and that entity's name is the name of

549
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.800
<v Speaker 2>the entity that this guy I was talking to in

550
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 2>this DMT trip, and I thought that was crazy. It's like,

551
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe this is just one of those beings that people

552
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:15.320
<v Speaker 2>throughout time have contacted. And by the way, I am

553
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.000
<v Speaker 2>not recommending people do this.

554
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm just just.

555
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't you know, I don't promote it, but I

556
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 2>don't deny it either.

557
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>That's where I'm at.

558
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.039
<v Speaker 3>Like that song you reference at the beginning of the show,

559
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.639
<v Speaker 3>Pleased to Meet you, hope you can guess my name exactly.

560
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.679
<v Speaker 2>That's it, I mean, that's that's That's what we're dealing

561
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:32.239
<v Speaker 2>with here.

562
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.920
<v Speaker 1>And I've got I got really.

563
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.199
<v Speaker 2>Into the UFO thing for a while. I went down

564
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 2>that rabbit hole, which I'm not dogmatic on that, by

565
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:42.639
<v Speaker 2>the way.

566
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I just it was just something I was interested in.

567
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>But what I've found is that they're that entity.

568
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Ishtar also known as Aphrodite and Anna. She's been around

569
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:03.800
<v Speaker 2>meddling in human for a very long time, and she's

570
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.079
<v Speaker 2>showing up in this modern day UFO movement as well.

571
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.519
<v Speaker 2>In my research, she kept coming up again and again

572
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:12.679
<v Speaker 2>and again for me. So I do think that it's

573
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.480
<v Speaker 2>like sympathy for the devil, where throughout the ages you

574
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:19.400
<v Speaker 2>have a group of these entities that are meddling in

575
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:23.320
<v Speaker 2>human affairs, and it probably.

576
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:26.320
<v Speaker 3>They're either the falling angels from Genesis six or the

577
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:33.599
<v Speaker 3>rebellious sons of God from Deuteronomy thirty two. And there's

578
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.599
<v Speaker 3>and they're added to the book is we have no

579
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 3>reason to believe that their free will had ended, and

580
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.079
<v Speaker 3>we don't still continually have angels filing and rebelling.

581
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the best part about getting into this stuff

582
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.679
<v Speaker 2>more heavily for me and looking for answers. It's like

583
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm finding answers for this stuff. Like everything I just

584
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>said about this guy's DMT trip and these people, these

585
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.880
<v Speaker 2>this civilization that answered to this one entity and and

586
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.119
<v Speaker 2>and it is started that sounds like crazy talk, but

587
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.039
<v Speaker 2>there's answers for that here if you want them.

588
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:16.840
<v Speaker 3>And all these ancient cultures too. They they had skull colts,

589
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:21.280
<v Speaker 3>and they had ancestor worship and veneration of their of

590
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.800
<v Speaker 3>their ancestors, and it was even something that that God's

591
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.519
<v Speaker 3>people done. You know, if you look into Abraham when

592
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 3>he hadn't had a child yet, he was talking to Liaisar,

593
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 3>his cup bearer, and he said, who will who will

594
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:41.639
<v Speaker 3>bear my cup? Liaisar, my servant, I am without an air.

595
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:43.400
<v Speaker 4>He was talking.

596
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:47.400
<v Speaker 3>About the ancient rituals of veneration and ancestor worship. They

597
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.280
<v Speaker 3>believed that the eldest son was known as the cup bearer,

598
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.880
<v Speaker 3>and they had a kishim and they would put these

599
00:37:56.039 --> 00:38:01.480
<v Speaker 3>terifim or a little model uh into their people, a

600
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:06.920
<v Speaker 3>little model people like action figures basically in our modern vernacular,

601
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.119
<v Speaker 3>and bury them under the house at the table, and

602
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.320
<v Speaker 3>they would have a tube running up to the table,

603
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.760
<v Speaker 3>and like there was a certain time of the year

604
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.960
<v Speaker 3>where they would say the name of their ancestors and

605
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:27.480
<v Speaker 3>pour wine down this tube and offer food to it.

606
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:33.199
<v Speaker 3>Because they believed that kind of like the Hispanic people

607
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.039
<v Speaker 3>with the dead of the dead, they put up pictures,

608
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 3>they light candles, they present you know, if I was

609
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:43.440
<v Speaker 3>dead and loved Jack Daniels and Rama noodle soups, somebody

610
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.760
<v Speaker 3>would hold my picture out, light candles and put Jack

611
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.079
<v Speaker 3>Daniels and Rama noodle and leave it out for me

612
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 3>because I needed that to sustain myself in the afterlife.

613
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:56.960
<v Speaker 3>And if nobody done that, your soul just got obliterated

614
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 3>and went into the abyss the ultimate second death. And

615
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:03.480
<v Speaker 3>that's what they believed back then, and that's what Abraham

616
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 3>was alluding to. He was like, you know, who's going

617
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:07.639
<v Speaker 3>to be my cupbearer, Who's going to be the one

618
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.039
<v Speaker 3>to save my name and to offer these drink offerings

619
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:16.519
<v Speaker 3>and stuff. I have no eldest son. And the berserkers,

620
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:23.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, up there, they would do these necromantic rituals

621
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.760
<v Speaker 3>and call on their dead ancestors warrior spirits to inhabit them.

622
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.199
<v Speaker 3>That's what the berserkers were and said they were possessed.

623
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.000
<v Speaker 3>They were wild men that they would get stabbed and

624
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:40.000
<v Speaker 3>gutted and keep fighting. And because they were ultimately possessed

625
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:47.039
<v Speaker 3>by demons, by these Nephelum giant tribes ye, the disembodied

626
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:50.079
<v Speaker 3>spirits of the nephilemb And I think that's just something

627
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:55.199
<v Speaker 3>we see throughout culture. They think they're doing dead ancestor worship,

628
00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.079
<v Speaker 3>and they're really venerating and worshiping these disembodied spirits with

629
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:03.679
<v Speaker 3>the Neffi lem and a lot of people now are

630
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:06.639
<v Speaker 3>talking about seeing ghosts and seeing Grandma at.

631
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.960
<v Speaker 4>The edge of the bed d That ain't Grandma.

632
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think so either.

633
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so either. I think there's a there's.

634
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:20.599
<v Speaker 2>A lot more to apparitions that people see, and even

635
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:24.800
<v Speaker 2>even some of these aliens, uh, that might not actually

636
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:28.239
<v Speaker 2>be an alien. It could be something taking on the

637
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.840
<v Speaker 2>form of what we perceive to be an alien. There's

638
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:37.119
<v Speaker 2>I think that this this intelligence takes on the form

639
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:42.480
<v Speaker 2>of like a trickster sometimes like a astro theological trickster.

640
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:43.480
<v Speaker 2>It's it's been around a lot.

641
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.679
<v Speaker 3>Whatever we want to see, yeah, whatever, we're going to

642
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:49.800
<v Speaker 3>better accept them as I hain't gonna say I I

643
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:51.079
<v Speaker 3>need to use the bathroom.

644
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:51.280
<v Speaker 4>Just really quick.

645
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll pause it.

646
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:55.639
<v Speaker 4>What sixteen ounce?

647
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know that'll do it to you.

648
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I I always bring a tea, a couple of tea

649
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:06.079
<v Speaker 2>in with me and like a gatorade, and sometimes I

650
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.079
<v Speaker 2>drink too much of it and I'm sitting here doing

651
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:14.480
<v Speaker 2>the dance in my chair. Yes, yes, it does. I

652
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted to show you something real quick. This is something

653
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:22.760
<v Speaker 2>that la Marzouli posted recently it's just a wild.

654
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Picture because.

655
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:31.159
<v Speaker 2>He said this post was things that he's seen in

656
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 2>his travels. So I'm going to try to figure out

657
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:38.360
<v Speaker 2>where this was. I'd say it belongs to Yeah, yeah,

658
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.880
<v Speaker 2>it definitely South America.

659
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I'd say it belongs to the ancient world.

660
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.159
<v Speaker 2>But it's also got these little faces in here that

661
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.960
<v Speaker 2>look like emojis. That's what stuck out to me the

662
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 2>most about this. And it's got this it's got this

663
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:02.000
<v Speaker 2>serpent iconography.

664
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah all over it. Yet the double headed eagle.

665
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.719
<v Speaker 3>You got like the staff of a Sclepius, that staff

666
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 3>with the serpent's twisting up it like a DNA strand almost.

667
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the long four time, so I you know, just.

668
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's got these on the left side there on

669
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:29.119
<v Speaker 2>this well, there's two staffs.

670
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:30.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

671
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:33.159
<v Speaker 2>On the left side, it's got something that looks like

672
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:38.800
<v Speaker 2>a spirit like maybe it's a cat, but it's a

673
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:39.719
<v Speaker 2>very strength.

674
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:41.920
<v Speaker 4>It's South America. It's probably a jaguar.

675
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's good.

676
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 2>So so what did you say just second, did you

677
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 2>say double double headed eagle?

678
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Did that mean something to you?

679
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:51.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a lot of.

680
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Symbolic stuff that you see like in the Mystery Schools

681
00:42:56.400 --> 00:43:02.960
<v Speaker 3>and the Freemasons, which I don't have in front of me,

682
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:07.000
<v Speaker 3>but I have a copy of Morals and Dogma Albert Pike,

683
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:09.960
<v Speaker 3>and on the front of it that's what it is.

684
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.960
<v Speaker 3>It's a double headed eagle looking east and west and

685
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:22.000
<v Speaker 3>it's basically, uh, the Nordous Ovseclorum new world order that

686
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.159
<v Speaker 3>that expands as far as east to the west. And

687
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 3>the head looks both directions and spreads its wings, so

688
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's basically saying that it's all knowing, all

689
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:35.519
<v Speaker 3>sing and very vast.

690
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.960
<v Speaker 2>This this kind of reminds me of it has d

691
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 2>MT trip vibes as well. Oh yeah, this looks like

692
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:50.280
<v Speaker 2>maybe a shaman or maybe how a shaman would be

693
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:55.280
<v Speaker 2>perceived after you take something psychedelic.

694
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 4>M h.

695
00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:00.880
<v Speaker 3>And it's the marrying of opposites too, because one thing

696
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 3>with the shamanism and stuff don there in South America,

697
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:10.719
<v Speaker 3>the the what's the word I'm looking for, Jaguar is

698
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:16.159
<v Speaker 3>basically symbolistic for earth the ground.

699
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:18.559
<v Speaker 4>Because he is like the.

700
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.119
<v Speaker 3>Top predator and top thing that they seen that was

701
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.199
<v Speaker 3>on the ground. And then that thing up there I

702
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.039
<v Speaker 3>called an eagle. If that's South America. It's probably a

703
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:35.719
<v Speaker 3>condor that was their big religious symbol and venerated bird,

704
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.760
<v Speaker 3>so like a double headed condor, So that's like the

705
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:45.079
<v Speaker 3>top predator of the sky. So each hand, in one

706
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:50.280
<v Speaker 3>hand he's holding the symbol for earth in the ground,

707
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:55.000
<v Speaker 3>and then the other hand is the sky. So it's

708
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:58.960
<v Speaker 3>the marrying of opposites of the yin and yang, basically

709
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.440
<v Speaker 3>the combining of of heaven and Earth.

710
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Wow, incredible, I'm glad I showed this.

711
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I certainly would.

712
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Picked up on all that.

713
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:11.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And the only thing I have is because I've

714
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:15.519
<v Speaker 3>done a lot of like reading on it. Brian Forrester,

715
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.760
<v Speaker 3>he's written a lot of good books, and he lives

716
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.039
<v Speaker 3>he's lived there for the past, like, you know, twenty

717
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:25.440
<v Speaker 3>thirty years. He's really submerged in the culture and stuff.

718
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.199
<v Speaker 3>He talks about a lot of this stuff in his books.

719
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:32.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's on my list of he's somebody I want

720
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:37.159
<v Speaker 2>to have on. A previous guest was talking about him

721
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:41.239
<v Speaker 2>as well, And you know, that's that's funny because my

722
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:44.199
<v Speaker 2>previous guest was on here talking about the trip to

723
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:51.440
<v Speaker 2>his expeditions in Peru and there's just all sorts of

724
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 2>civilizations down there, that we don't know anything about. There's

725
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:59.559
<v Speaker 2>there's sites down there that haven't even been touched. This

726
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:06.719
<v Speaker 2>guy finding unknown ancient cities and temples all throughout northern

727
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Peru on that, on that on the coastline. Actually not

728
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 2>most of this is not far too far inland. And

729
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:18.519
<v Speaker 2>there was one that he looked at, and I went

730
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:22.039
<v Speaker 2>and checked out some of the local legends there and

731
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.639
<v Speaker 2>they have their legends traced back to a guy who

732
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 2>came on a boat who started the civilization from the

733
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Acoca well in addition to Arakotia.

734
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

735
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's not that's that's my thing. It's like

736
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a many verkocha like.

737
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:45.719
<v Speaker 4>Uh Kwatsi kettle.

738
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:47.920
<v Speaker 3>But both of them guys were said to have come

739
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 3>out of the water riding uh coming from the east

740
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:58.280
<v Speaker 3>and riding how they worded a boat without paddles, and

741
00:46:58.320 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 3>that it was a bed of serpents.

742
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

743
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I wanted to ask you, uh one other thing

744
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:12.719
<v Speaker 2>today as we're kind of winding down here. Did you

745
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.119
<v Speaker 2>I've heard you mentioned on a podcast I think something

746
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:22.280
<v Speaker 2>about having a Nephel lance m or or you knew

747
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:23.400
<v Speaker 2>somebody who has one.

748
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:29.840
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, Chief Joseph Riverwin Uh, I loved him

749
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:35.280
<v Speaker 3>and uh yeah, yeah, I had him on the show

750
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:38.840
<v Speaker 3>and uh he he. I first discovered him through La

751
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.639
<v Speaker 3>mar Zuli and he's been featured in a lot of

752
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 3>LA's films and he is a you know, a Native

753
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:51.360
<v Speaker 3>American chief and has lots of history and and stories

754
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 3>about the giants and his people battling these giants and

755
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.920
<v Speaker 3>stuff and the stone skin giants, and you know, he.

756
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:00.480
<v Speaker 4>He's really uh up to.

757
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Date with all the legends and the history of his

758
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.800
<v Speaker 3>people and stuff and also other nations.

759
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:09.920
<v Speaker 4>And he's really active.

760
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.480
<v Speaker 3>He's always like he's like an emissary for his tribe

761
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:18.159
<v Speaker 3>and goes to represent them in Washington and goes to Israel,

762
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.440
<v Speaker 3>and he's just really you know, like politically and socially active.

763
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:27.280
<v Speaker 3>But on one of LA's documentaries, he went to a

764
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:32.639
<v Speaker 3>conference and I think it might've been in Ohio or something,

765
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:37.280
<v Speaker 3>but it was a Mounds conference and it was like

766
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:42.760
<v Speaker 3>him and Fritz Zimmerman, Dizdar and all these different people

767
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.440
<v Speaker 3>in chief Joseph went, but there was some guy that

768
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:50.000
<v Speaker 3>was just in the the seating. There was just you know,

769
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 3>he wouldn'tess a speaker or nothing like that. He was

770
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:56.519
<v Speaker 3>just a normal guy coming to watch, and while on

771
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.000
<v Speaker 3>one of the breaks, went to the vendors tables where

772
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.559
<v Speaker 3>everybody sits and stuff and you know, talks and sells

773
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:06.519
<v Speaker 3>their merchant and stuff, and brings this big long thing

774
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.159
<v Speaker 3>look like a pool stick, wrapped up in his cloth

775
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:14.480
<v Speaker 3>and tells La he found this in Michigan next to

776
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 3>those comperminds, so those ancient comperminds, and he wanted to

777
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.119
<v Speaker 3>show it to him that he thought it was like

778
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:25.039
<v Speaker 3>an ancient bronze sword. And he rolls it out man,

779
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:33.079
<v Speaker 3>and it's just like twenty four twenty five pound bronze

780
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.599
<v Speaker 3>sword looking thing, and they're like, oh my god. You know,

781
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.559
<v Speaker 3>this thing's so big and huge and this is crazy.

782
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:47.199
<v Speaker 3>And Joseph seen it and said that he knew right away.

783
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.400
<v Speaker 3>He said it wasn't a sword. He said, this was

784
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 3>a spearhead. He said, because it had the long shaft

785
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.440
<v Speaker 3>and it had the tapered down and then come back

786
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:01.800
<v Speaker 3>out again to where you could lash the road around it.

787
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:06.639
<v Speaker 3>And for you know, this thing was I'm just guessing

788
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:08.760
<v Speaker 3>off top of my head. I held in my hands.

789
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:12.679
<v Speaker 3>It's probably about four four and a half foot long

790
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 3>and weighed like twenty two to twenty six pounds. I mean,

791
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.840
<v Speaker 3>this thing was huge and it's heavy, and so it

792
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.719
<v Speaker 3>was lashed onto like an eight foot.

793
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Long or more pole. Wow.

794
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:28.559
<v Speaker 3>And so he was like, yeah, this is a spear,

795
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:33.239
<v Speaker 3>and he says, and it's huge. This would have to

796
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 3>be wielded by like a fourteen fifteen foot man.

797
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:38.480
<v Speaker 4>And he said, and.

798
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:44.159
<v Speaker 3>It matches the description of the ones that the stone

799
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:49.719
<v Speaker 3>skinned giants used. He said, because in our native traditions

800
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:54.199
<v Speaker 3>that these spears were so big and so long that

801
00:50:54.760 --> 00:51:00.079
<v Speaker 3>they could impale like three braves on this lance. They

802
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:03.400
<v Speaker 3>would stab one and skewer them and then keep running

803
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:07.079
<v Speaker 3>and keep stabbing. They could get like three people on

804
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:11.440
<v Speaker 3>one of these things. And it also matched the description

805
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:16.239
<v Speaker 3>of the guy that come to La Marzouli and another

806
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 3>one that went to Steve Quell, this afghandy giant that

807
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:26.880
<v Speaker 3>they found in Kandahar. It said that he had this huge,

808
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:32.800
<v Speaker 3>long spear and that he was impaling the soldiers with it.

809
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:38.840
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I found out that he lives like fifteen

810
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 3>minutes down the road from me, and he agreed to

811
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:44.599
<v Speaker 3>meet me in person. So we sit down in person,

812
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:46.599
<v Speaker 3>and I brought my cameras and did an interview and

813
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:49.239
<v Speaker 3>he brought that spear. So I got to hold this

814
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.679
<v Speaker 3>thing and get pictures with it and stuff. It was awesome.

815
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:54.280
<v Speaker 1>And how big was it? Again?

816
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:58.760
<v Speaker 3>The spear it was probably like four or four and

817
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:02.599
<v Speaker 3>a half foot long and weighed like, you know, twenty

818
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:06.079
<v Speaker 3>two to twenty six pounds. And then you know it

819
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.119
<v Speaker 3>was attached to like an eight foot long pole.

820
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:10.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know when it was used.

821
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:16.320
<v Speaker 2>So the okay, so the spirit itself, the spearhead was

822
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:19.639
<v Speaker 2>a couple yeah feet.

823
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:21.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was like four and a half foot long.

824
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:22.920
<v Speaker 4>Oh my goodness.

825
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:26.199
<v Speaker 1>And he found that in Michigan.

826
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:29.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said that he was out there hiking in

827
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.360
<v Speaker 3>those ancient Michigan mines and was just out on a

828
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:35.199
<v Speaker 3>hike and he said he saw it laying the ground,

829
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.480
<v Speaker 3>he said, and like it was maybe like a foot

830
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:42.360
<v Speaker 3>of it or something might have been kind of partially buried.

831
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.599
<v Speaker 3>But he saw the that tapered end just kind of

832
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:49.639
<v Speaker 3>hanging out, kind of slanted out of the rocks, and

833
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 3>said he just walked over and just picked it right up.

834
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.800
<v Speaker 3>That Joseph's had it sent off. He had to cut

835
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.280
<v Speaker 3>a piece of it off, he said. I hated to

836
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.800
<v Speaker 3>do it, he said, but I wanted the analys stunt

837
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 3>on it, and he had it tested and had the

838
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:09.639
<v Speaker 3>purity of the copper tested, had the origins of where

839
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Speaker 3>it come from. Uh, they believe it come from like

840
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:14.719
<v Speaker 3>the Middle East or something like that. But he had

841
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:17.559
<v Speaker 3>just got back that report and he brought that. He

842
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:20.400
<v Speaker 3>read off that report and talked about how old it

843
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:22.440
<v Speaker 3>was and everything. In that interview, it was it was

844
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:23.000
<v Speaker 3>pretty cool.

845
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's remarkable that that certainly points to people

846
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:31.039
<v Speaker 2>from the Middle East coming over here, possibly traveling up

847
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:38.840
<v Speaker 2>the Mississippi in boats and mining copper. Of course, they

848
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:40.119
<v Speaker 2>may have been doing more than that.

849
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:41.920
<v Speaker 1>There seems to be Uh.

850
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I think they may have established some civilizations over here too.

851
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Somebody did I think, you know, yeah, there's that. Well,

852
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:50.519
<v Speaker 2>we don't have to go into all this today, but

853
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Michigan's are very It's just those that whole the Great

854
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Lakes region is just.

855
00:53:58.199 --> 00:53:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Fascinating to me.

856
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:03.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Wabanzi stone that they found that was

857
00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:05.960
<v Speaker 2>once up in Chicago. It's in a private collection now,

858
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.000
<v Speaker 2>but it was at the mouth of one of the

859
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.920
<v Speaker 2>rivers there in Chicago, where it looks like that they

860
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:16.960
<v Speaker 2>were making a stop and doing a sacrifice for safe passage.

861
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 2>On top of this stone and then getting back in

862
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:25.000
<v Speaker 2>their boat and embarking on their journey home. Just little

863
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.119
<v Speaker 2>things like that. And you know, I think some of

864
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 2>these cities.

865
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.039
<v Speaker 3>The patrick Lyff, that big Patrick Cliff they found of

866
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 3>a Phoenician style ship.

867
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:34.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

868
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:37.199
<v Speaker 3>And what's cool is like the copper from that area

869
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:39.599
<v Speaker 3>is the purest copper in the world. It's like ninety

870
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:43.039
<v Speaker 3>eight point eight percent pure there, and it's the only

871
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.280
<v Speaker 3>place in the world that they found that pure copper.

872
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:52.400
<v Speaker 3>But they are finding this same purity mark copper in Europe,

873
00:54:52.840 --> 00:55:00.159
<v Speaker 3>in the Middle East, in Africa, India, everywhere. Because the

874
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Phoenicians and these ancient people were sailing over here and

875
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:07.159
<v Speaker 3>back then the water levels were higher. They would just

876
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:10.159
<v Speaker 3>come in through Maine, go straight into the Great Lakes

877
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:12.639
<v Speaker 3>and start minding the hell out of it. And then

878
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:14.920
<v Speaker 3>that they just entered the Mississippi and went on down

879
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.559
<v Speaker 3>and I think that's how they ended up in South

880
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:20.400
<v Speaker 3>America and Mexico and all that. And they were just

881
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.440
<v Speaker 3>traveling the world and dealing in this uh, and that's

882
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:26.639
<v Speaker 3>why you had this Bronze Age explosion.

883
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's one of the things that I'm most excited

884
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:37.480
<v Speaker 2>about is looking more into the history of the Americas,

885
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.280
<v Speaker 2>specifically North America.

886
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I think we're only going to.

887
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Continue to find out more interesting untold little stories and

888
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.840
<v Speaker 2>artifacts and everything else relics.

889
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:53.239
<v Speaker 1>There's there's just.

890
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:58.599
<v Speaker 2>This untold story of the lands here, like the ground.

891
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:02.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm in Tennessee, Like, I don't know. I think you're probably,

892
00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:06.760
<v Speaker 2>judging by your accent, you're not far from.

893
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:07.239
<v Speaker 4>Me from East Tennessee.

894
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:09.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm in the Yeah, I'm right on the border in

895
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:11.840
<v Speaker 3>North Carolina and West Virginia.

896
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Right on, right on, So we're both The ground beneath

897
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:20.400
<v Speaker 2>our feet is just loaded with an untold story, you know.

898
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think that this copper mind, that's.

899
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:24.679
<v Speaker 1>A big piece of the story.

900
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:25.039
<v Speaker 4>I do.

901
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:27.039
<v Speaker 1>I think there's way more to it.

902
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:32.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the legends here in Tennessee are incredible. I mean, yeah,

903
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.599
<v Speaker 2>a whole that's a whole other podcast.

904
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Heywood, have you ever read into his stuff?

905
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Heywood?

906
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Not?

907
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:42.440
<v Speaker 1>What is I knew?

908
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:44.320
<v Speaker 4>He go ahead?

909
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:44.920
<v Speaker 1>What does he do?

910
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.440
<v Speaker 3>He was like an ancient you know, historian or not ancient,

911
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:51.639
<v Speaker 3>but he was a long time ago. But he was

912
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:55.199
<v Speaker 3>from Tennessee, and he was into history and archaeology, and

913
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:58.760
<v Speaker 3>he was really into the mountains and the giants and

914
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:02.760
<v Speaker 3>stuff and all these works in Tennessee. He's definitely uh

915
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.440
<v Speaker 3>worth looking into. And if I'm not mistaken, I think

916
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:07.840
<v Speaker 3>he even talks about little people.

917
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's what I was about, that little.

918
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:14.519
<v Speaker 3>People living amongst the giants and kind of like this culture.

919
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe I have come across his name there too,

920
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:21.199
<v Speaker 2>because when you said, Heywood, I thought about little people,

921
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:24.280
<v Speaker 2>because I've got a whole sack of stuff on the

922
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:25.880
<v Speaker 2>little people I got to go through.

923
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:29.719
<v Speaker 1>They were there's a mask.

924
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:33.119
<v Speaker 2>There was a mass graveyard of little people found in

925
00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:39.239
<v Speaker 2>White County, Tennessee, and I think some of those remains

926
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:43.320
<v Speaker 2>ended up in Knoxville under lock and key at a

927
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:46.239
<v Speaker 2>museum or a university there. I have to look back

928
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:53.480
<v Speaker 2>through the documents, but I think somebody Rick Osmond, Indiana.

929
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Rick was on and he was telling me about a

930
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:58.920
<v Speaker 2>guy who snuck in there and found these little people's

931
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:00.840
<v Speaker 2>bodies still.

932
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:02.519
<v Speaker 1>In the I guess it was a museum. I don't remember,

933
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:03.159
<v Speaker 1>some sort of a.

934
00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Vault where they got locked away, and and it just

935
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of verified this story. But there's also all this

936
00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:14.639
<v Speaker 2>documentation about these little people, and it's in the legends,

937
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:19.320
<v Speaker 2>it's in the Cherokee legends like crazy man, like where

938
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you're I don't know if it's right where you're at,

939
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:29.159
<v Speaker 2>But East Tennessee, that little Tennessee River that comes out

940
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.559
<v Speaker 2>of Tellico Lake that goes on up into the mountains there,

941
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:38.400
<v Speaker 2>that was loaded with Cherokee cities. There was just I've

942
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.440
<v Speaker 2>got a whole list of them. There's a seven or

943
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:44.719
<v Speaker 2>eight Cherokee cities that were along that river there. When

944
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:47.239
<v Speaker 2>they put the dam in in the late seventies, they

945
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:48.400
<v Speaker 2>flooded the whole thing.

946
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and they reported the was it The Smithsonian

947
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:56.840
<v Speaker 3>had sent some people down there and they were finding

948
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:03.679
<v Speaker 3>the remains of what they thought was Egyptian pyramids and temples,

949
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:06.119
<v Speaker 3>and then they told them, I, well, we're still going

950
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:08.400
<v Speaker 3>to build this dam and flood this valley, so you

951
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:11.880
<v Speaker 3>got two weeks to dig and find what you can.

952
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:13.239
<v Speaker 3>Then they flooded it.

953
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:18.519
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and yeah, that that whole that whole Teleco

954
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Lake region is something I'm going to be looking more

955
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.880
<v Speaker 2>into as soon as I get the chance to do it,

956
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:26.440
<v Speaker 2>because I've been researching all their stuff right now. But

957
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:31.159
<v Speaker 2>it's on my list and it's fascinating because I looked

958
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:34.519
<v Speaker 2>into it enough to find some names of some chiefs

959
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:40.039
<v Speaker 2>and some prominent Cherokee people who uh there there's existing

960
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:43.639
<v Speaker 2>documentation on and a lot of these guys were uh

961
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:50.440
<v Speaker 2>were known to be diplomatic and civilized, and they had

962
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:52.159
<v Speaker 2>a system of writing.

963
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.239
<v Speaker 1>They were taking records cherokeeer.

964
00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:59.719
<v Speaker 2>So there's documentation and there's all these stories about how

965
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:03.440
<v Speaker 2>they they were friends with a lot of European people too.

966
01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 2>They actually it whenever conflict and war would break out,

967
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:11.679
<v Speaker 2>some of these Cherokee guys would come in and save

968
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:13.519
<v Speaker 2>the skin of their European friends.

969
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:15.039
<v Speaker 1>They would they would help them out.

970
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:19.239
<v Speaker 2>It's just a whole convoluted history that we're not told about.

971
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:25.360
<v Speaker 2>It's literally been buried underwater. And I was reading the

972
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:26.559
<v Speaker 2>other day too, just to.

973
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Tie us in with the little people.

974
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:31.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, got a hold of a new book that goes

975
01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:36.079
<v Speaker 2>into Cherokee legends, and I found that there was a

976
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:42.519
<v Speaker 2>tribe somewhere close to where Ashville is today, right there

977
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:44.119
<v Speaker 2>off that French Broad River.

978
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:45.039
<v Speaker 4>It was a.

979
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was. There was a tribe there that had

980
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:51.639
<v Speaker 1>a legend of it was.

981
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:56.719
<v Speaker 2>A time of war and a time of trouble, and

982
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.320
<v Speaker 2>they said that the little people came to them and

983
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.679
<v Speaker 2>offered to help them out, and they said, the little

984
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:06.639
<v Speaker 2>people told them, you have to if you want to

985
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.800
<v Speaker 2>come with us, you have to fast for seven days

986
01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:17.840
<v Speaker 2>and then you can enter into our kingdom, essentially so,

987
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:20.679
<v Speaker 2>and some of the Cherokee people apparently took them up

988
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:23.679
<v Speaker 2>on that did the fast, and where they went was

989
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:28.719
<v Speaker 2>they went over to Pilot Mountain in North Carolina and

990
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:33.679
<v Speaker 2>apparently entered the earth through maybe a portal or something

991
01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:38.119
<v Speaker 2>in Pilot Mountain, and they lived inside of this mountain

992
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:41.760
<v Speaker 2>with these little people. It's fascinating stuff. Now.

993
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Was Joseph his wife is Cherokee, really, and in that

994
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:49.480
<v Speaker 3>interview she talks about some of their legends, and she

995
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:55.239
<v Speaker 3>was saying that she thought, and Joseph was in agreeance

996
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:59.159
<v Speaker 3>with her, that the Cherokee was one of the lost

997
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:02.880
<v Speaker 3>tribes of Israel. And she laid out all kinds of

998
01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:08.519
<v Speaker 3>cool correlations. And even like their the name, the Cherokee

999
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:15.960
<v Speaker 3>name of their creator is Yahweh, and like all their

1000
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Speaker 3>old songs and stuff from their original tongue, it's it's

1001
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.719
<v Speaker 3>like an ancient form of Hebrew. And said to how

1002
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:27.480
<v Speaker 3>they discovered that they went to Israel on some kind

1003
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:31.360
<v Speaker 3>of diplomatic thing, like with the nations and that they

1004
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:36.320
<v Speaker 3>were singing some of their native Cherokee songs and that

1005
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:41.239
<v Speaker 3>there was a messianic Jew there that actually they got

1006
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:45.320
<v Speaker 3>done singing. Was like, oh, that was so beautiful, and

1007
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:49.679
<v Speaker 3>you were talking about God and this and that. But

1008
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:52.119
<v Speaker 3>there was some stuff I couldn't pick up. So was

1009
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.199
<v Speaker 3>you like saying your language and throwing some Hebrew in there?

1010
01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:58.760
<v Speaker 3>And they were like, no, this is this is our language.

1011
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:02.519
<v Speaker 3>And he was like, well, your name is exactly how

1012
01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:06.360
<v Speaker 3>you know we say you know yahweh and started talking

1013
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:09.079
<v Speaker 3>about all the correlations with the language and stuff.

1014
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:09.840
<v Speaker 4>It was pretty cool.

1015
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's cool.

1016
01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:14.719
<v Speaker 2>I've not heard that story before, but it doesn't shock me.

1017
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I've come I'm gonna read I wrote it down here.

1018
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:22.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be listening to that with Chief Joseph river Wind.

1019
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:26.320
<v Speaker 3>It's called The Talking Leaves. Okay, it's the name of

1020
01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:27.079
<v Speaker 3>the episode.

1021
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, there was some stuff I came across too.

1022
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:34.679
<v Speaker 2>It's been a while, but uh, montalk point up there,

1023
01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:41.599
<v Speaker 2>the very tip of Long Island is a very interesting place. Uh.

1024
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:46.199
<v Speaker 2>It's come up in some of my Nazi uh research

1025
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:48.679
<v Speaker 2>as well, because I think some of the paper clip

1026
01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Nazi's got stationed there at at Montalk there was an

1027
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:53.800
<v Speaker 2>old base there.

1028
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:56.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying. Yeah, I think it's called Montalk Point.

1029
01:03:56.880 --> 01:04:01.760
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, before all that, there used to be a

1030
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:05.880
<v Speaker 2>stone out there, some sort of an edifice that apparently

1031
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:11.760
<v Speaker 2>had Hebrew language etch etchings. And of course that's long gone,

1032
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and you know how this stuff does, it just disappears

1033
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:16.480
<v Speaker 2>anything that the.

1034
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:19.920
<v Speaker 3>One it's like a a rounded.

1035
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:22.559
<v Speaker 4>Rectangle stone.

1036
01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:24.679
<v Speaker 3>It had like a priest or something in the center

1037
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:26.760
<v Speaker 3>that had all that riding around the edge.

1038
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I never remember reading.

1039
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:33.239
<v Speaker 3>Something about that that it was like a I don't

1040
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:35.199
<v Speaker 3>know if it was a picture or an artist rendition,

1041
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:37.119
<v Speaker 3>but they were saying that it was a stone they

1042
01:04:37.159 --> 01:04:44.360
<v Speaker 3>found and it had this ancient form of Hebrew and

1043
01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:48.519
<v Speaker 3>that it was basically the Ten Commandments around the edge

1044
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:51.280
<v Speaker 3>that they had found somewhere here in North America.

1045
01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:56.039
<v Speaker 2>It may have been an obelisk like stone. I think

1046
01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:59.400
<v Speaker 2>if I remember that correctly. There's a couple of these

1047
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:03.920
<v Speaker 2>stones out there there that that that go missing. There

1048
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:06.039
<v Speaker 2>was one that was found in West Virginia that had

1049
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Iberian Phoenician on it.

1050
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:13.400
<v Speaker 3>H Yeah, an Iberian what it called Punic up there.

1051
01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:17.639
<v Speaker 3>America's stone Hinge they found what they called the Bell Stone,

1052
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:20.880
<v Speaker 3>and that a lot of the solar alignments they have

1053
01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:26.920
<v Speaker 3>lined up with Bell taine, like like like B A

1054
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:27.280
<v Speaker 3>A L.

1055
01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:29.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And then this stone.

1056
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:34.679
<v Speaker 3>Barry Fell from Harvard University went up there and studied

1057
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<v Speaker 3>this stone they found, and that it was like a

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<v Speaker 3>form of Iberian punic and like ancient Phoenician writing, and

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<v Speaker 3>on there it said, uh, two bail of the Canaanites

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<v Speaker 3>in whom we make dedication. So it's shown you, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like the the people that built America's Stone Hinge were

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<v Speaker 3>bail worshiping Phoenicie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it ties right.

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<v Speaker 2>It ties into this conversation we had today as well,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think that the Nephilum kind of got into

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<v Speaker 2>some of those groups, like the Canaanites and the Phoenicians.

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<v Speaker 3>They were, that's who they were.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that when when Josh and Caleb and the

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<v Speaker 3>boys went in there to clean house and retake the

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<v Speaker 3>Holy Land, the smart ones jumped on their ships and

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<v Speaker 3>got the hell out of there. They even found a

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<v Speaker 3>standing pillar. I can't remember exactly where it's at. It's

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<v Speaker 3>out there in the Mediterranean somewhere. I think it's at

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<v Speaker 3>the tip of Africa. But there was ancient Phoenician riding

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<v Speaker 3>and it said, we the Phoenicians lay claim to this

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<v Speaker 3>land because of Joshua with the Great Robber, who ran

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<v Speaker 3>us out of our lands.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's yeah, it's crazy that that that story keeps

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<v Speaker 2>popping up for me too, this this idea that these

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<v Speaker 2>people were were driven out of the Holy Land, out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Middle East, just uh, they went all over

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<v Speaker 2>And like I'll touch on this too probably when I

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01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:17.719
<v Speaker 2>when I when I do your show, I'll wait, I wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll wait to touch on it. Then that way we can.

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<v Speaker 2>I can, I can hit it with my hardest punch,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will say those.

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<v Speaker 3>That don't know, we're doing this all over again tomorrow night,

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<v Speaker 3>get my show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's funny you said Barry Fell. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's the guy who snuck into this archive, this museum

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<v Speaker 2>and found these little little people's skeletons. I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 2>that's the same guy.

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<v Speaker 4>He probably was. He was like the first Maverick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's legendary.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's it at right here?

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's wild too. It's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Here in Tennessee, you've got all these these references to

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<v Speaker 2>Greece as well America. But did he write that, yeap,

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<v Speaker 2>Barry Pail, Okay, okay, cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to get that book.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, nice America BC. And see he's drawing all these

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01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:25.079
<v Speaker 3>travel routes. Yeah, from the Middle East in Africa straight

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<v Speaker 3>into the Americas.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm gonna get that book. That's that looks awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>But even like there's there's all this other there's like Greek,

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<v Speaker 2>there's Greek influence over here too that I found specifically

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<v Speaker 2>in Tennessee. You've got in White County, Tennessee, where those

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<v Speaker 2>little people were found.

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<v Speaker 1>The center of that county.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a place called Sparta, and you've got Athens. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you've got here in Nashville. You've got a forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight foot statue of Athena in a in a parking

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<v Speaker 2>on It's like, what, there's this whole untold, untold history here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I've not heard a.

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<v Speaker 2>Good reason for that for that statue of Athena to

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<v Speaker 2>be here either. They say they put it in there

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<v Speaker 2>in the late eighteen hundreds for the Centennial Expo, which

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<v Speaker 2>is like this World's Fair event that ran for like

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of months, and I know, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know type thing yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But it just seems like it's older. And it seems

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like even if they did put that statue

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<v Speaker 2>of Athena in in the eighteen hundreds, it seems like

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<v Speaker 2>they did it for a purpose, as if to say, uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're we're in Nashville. We're the place, you know where

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<v Speaker 2>all this old Greek stuff was found old Greek, old

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<v Speaker 2>Greek vases and and all kinds of stuff here. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got an old article that talks about a stark being

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<v Speaker 2>found under in a tunnel under Nashville. So there was

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of an ancient civilization.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I believe in you know, the well they call

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01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:15.760
<v Speaker 3>it diffusionism. A lot of people want to say it's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the ancient people were isolationists that they formed

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<v Speaker 3>their little groups and they were too afraid to get

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<v Speaker 3>out and venture. But look at just people like me

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01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:26.560
<v Speaker 3>and you. Yeah, there's people that want to just stick

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01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:29.520
<v Speaker 3>to the sixty six book Cannon and believe what their

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01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:32.439
<v Speaker 3>pastor tells them. Then there's people like us, man that

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<v Speaker 3>we know there's more out there and we go looking

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01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:37.960
<v Speaker 3>for it, and a lot a lot of people are

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01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:40.840
<v Speaker 3>built that way. And they were like, I know, everybody

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01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:42.560
<v Speaker 3>says the earth is flat and I'm going to fall

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01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:45.000
<v Speaker 3>off the edge, but I think I want to find

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01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.359
<v Speaker 3>out for myself. And those are the ones that discovered

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<v Speaker 3>this whole new world and gold and copper, and and

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01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:55.680
<v Speaker 3>those are the ones that become the wealthiest people in

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01:10:55.720 --> 01:11:00.600
<v Speaker 3>the world because they were brave enough in adventure enough

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01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:03.800
<v Speaker 3>to go out and explore this place. And those people

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01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:08.079
<v Speaker 3>are not confined to one people group or one nation.

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01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:10.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you have people like that and every people group,

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<v Speaker 3>every nation, every time. And those people were traveling the world,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why you have pyramids throughout the world. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why you have snake imagery throughout the world, why you

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01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:22.560
<v Speaker 3>found all.

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<v Speaker 4>This Egyptian stuff out in.

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01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:27.920
<v Speaker 3>The Grand Canyon, and that's why the mythos and a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of places are so similar, just different caveats and

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01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:37.239
<v Speaker 3>details added because there was people traveling the world and

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01:11:37.399 --> 01:11:41.840
<v Speaker 3>sharing their ideas and traditions with other people, and their

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01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:43.479
<v Speaker 3>gods came with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well said, well said. That's a good place to

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<v Speaker 2>end it. That's a good sum up of everything. I

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01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:54.079
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have said it better myself. Man, this has been great.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been looking forward to this interview. It didn't disappoint.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot of fun. I knew it was

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<v Speaker 2>to be great.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, i've heard you before.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you do your homework and that you

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01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:11.079
<v Speaker 2>you approach research with a very serious tone.

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01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:14.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean you look for answers, That's what I mean by.

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01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:16.880
<v Speaker 2>That, and you find them, so I you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I can definitely appreciate that. And thanks for coming on.

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01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Tell everybody where they can find you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, man, and Tim, thank you. I definitely enjoyed

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01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:31.319
<v Speaker 3>this conversation because that's what I love.

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01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:32.920
<v Speaker 4>I love conversations.

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01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:36.159
<v Speaker 3>I love coming on with somebody that's just as passionate

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01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:40.800
<v Speaker 3>about history and these things like I am. Because nobody

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01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:42.880
<v Speaker 3>has it all figured out. We all have pieces to

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01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:46.279
<v Speaker 3>the puzzle. So you know, we might not agree one

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01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:49.399
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent with most people, but you still have to

1185
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:52.760
<v Speaker 3>have dialogue with those people because they might have that

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01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:55.880
<v Speaker 3>one missing piece that you need to get your full picture.

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01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:00.479
<v Speaker 3>So having this talk and this is a changing of

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01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:04.399
<v Speaker 3>puzzle pieces, and I love it.

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01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:06.680
<v Speaker 4>So I love having these conversations. And you've.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually taught me some things to night and got me

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01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:12.359
<v Speaker 3>wanting to scratch and look into some other stuff. So

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01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:15.319
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that but yeah, guys, if you like this,

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01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:18.239
<v Speaker 3>you know conversation we had, I'm doing them every single week.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:24.720
<v Speaker 3>We released on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, anywhere you can consume content.

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01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:28.319
<v Speaker 3>The shows drop Monday at eight pm Eastern Standard time.

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01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:30.560
<v Speaker 3>On Monday, we always have a live premiere and a

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01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:33.039
<v Speaker 3>live chat. We have the same group of people come

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01:13:33.159 --> 01:13:34.920
<v Speaker 3>hang out and we just talk with each other and

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01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:36.399
<v Speaker 3>have a really good fellowship.

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<v Speaker 4>And I've kind of.

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01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:42.560
<v Speaker 3>Coined the show the Hero's Journey and kind of base

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01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:45.359
<v Speaker 3>it off, you know Plato and the allegory of the cave,

1204
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:47.960
<v Speaker 3>and that's what that you know, that lit up sign

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01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:51.279
<v Speaker 3>and my logo is it's the guy standing in there

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01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:53.600
<v Speaker 3>behind the flame looking at the shadows on the wall.

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01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:57.359
<v Speaker 3>And uh so I asked people, are you ready to

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01:13:57.439 --> 01:14:00.560
<v Speaker 3>leave the cave? You know, we have to take this

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01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.399
<v Speaker 3>hero's journey. You got to go into the unknown, you

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01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:06.079
<v Speaker 3>have to slay the dragon, you have to rescue the damsel.

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<v Speaker 3>But you come out on the other end as a hero,

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01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:12.760
<v Speaker 3>and you have this boon, this prize of great wealth,

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01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:17.239
<v Speaker 3>which is the knowledge in which Jesus says, my people

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01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:21.159
<v Speaker 3>suffer from lack of But then your journey's not over

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01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:25.880
<v Speaker 3>with you come back to civilization. You share that prize

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01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:29.720
<v Speaker 3>of great wealth with others around you, and then you

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01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:33.640
<v Speaker 3>start that hero's journey for them. You become the wise

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01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:38.159
<v Speaker 3>old man pert that gives the prize of great wealth

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01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:40.319
<v Speaker 3>to someone else starting their hero's journey.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just want.

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01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:44.920
<v Speaker 3>To get a bunch of people together because I'm on

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01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:48.039
<v Speaker 3>the hero's journey too, and we need to lock arms

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01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:50.000
<v Speaker 3>and get as many people with us to go and

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01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:52.720
<v Speaker 3>have our backs and more eyes you have on something,

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01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:55.239
<v Speaker 3>the better off you're going to be at finding your

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01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:58.159
<v Speaker 3>puzzle pieces. So come on over hang out with us

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<v Speaker 3>man on the Hero's Journey Prometheus Lens Podcast. All social

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01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:03.960
<v Speaker 3>media is all content. Just search us up and you

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01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:05.119
<v Speaker 3>should be able to find us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be leaving a link to Justin's show directly below

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<v Speaker 2>in the description.

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<v Speaker 1>Go check out what he has to offer.

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<v Speaker 2>You won't be disappointed and as always, break the mold,

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<v Speaker 2>conquer the realm, and thanks for listening. Stand Start the Nestons,

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<v Speaker 2>the star Bug style, the Style STI Style. Stand Start
