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<v Speaker 1>The disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out there, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>What is happening?

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<v Speaker 4>And what is up?

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<v Speaker 3>Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Josson Jasonbody Christian conspiracy Podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm your host, Josh Money. If you don't know me,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a Christian rapper, devoted husband, father, and army veteran,

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<v Speaker 3>and I like you to do some of my co hosts.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a Christian devoter, husband and father. What's up, Jason?

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<v Speaker 4>We like I haven't been on here a long time dude,

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<v Speaker 4>But what's up?

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<v Speaker 3>I know because I was about to say Sunday service,

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<v Speaker 3>Wednesday service, all this other stuff will do it. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, just hoot, no, man, I've just uh

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<v Speaker 3>had a lot of stuff going on. But yeah, finally, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I get to have this gentleman on the show. I've

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<v Speaker 3>been seeing a lot of his stuff and like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I was telling him earlier, I have friends sending me

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<v Speaker 3>sending me his shows to get him on. And now

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<v Speaker 3>he has a book out, so justin Brown from Prometheus

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<v Speaker 3>Lens and also can get can you is it the

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<v Speaker 3>what is the other one? The dig right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the dig Bible podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, let's go cool man. Yeah, I heard about

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<v Speaker 3>you guys a long time ago, and uh and and

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<v Speaker 3>your new stuff, so go ahead, and uh you could

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<v Speaker 3>shout out your how they could get a hold of

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<v Speaker 3>you and how they could see your stuff, and then

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<v Speaker 3>also your new book. Man, you have it right there,

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<v Speaker 3>if you could just show it to people so they

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<v Speaker 3>could see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, uh, yeah, thank you for having me. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, we kind of running the same circles and

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's crazy how you can loop around with your

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<v Speaker 2>guests and friends and shows and and be right there

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<v Speaker 2>in that little circle of people but never really at

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<v Speaker 2>the time and ride the connects. So I'm glad we

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<v Speaker 2>could finally do that because I've been seeing you stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and watching you stuff for probably about those two years now,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's cool to connect and I appreciate you having

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<v Speaker 2>me on the show. But yeah, my show, Prometheus Lens

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<v Speaker 2>and the dig Bible podcast Prometheus Lens is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus to Aliens, to conspiracy theories, Nephelin giants, all those

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<v Speaker 2>cool rabbit trails, Bigfoot, but I view them all through

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<v Speaker 2>a biblical lens. And the dig Bible podcast has just

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<v Speaker 2>been a group of buddies and we dig through the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible and the cool and weird and fringy stuff for

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible. But anywhere you can consume content, you can

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<v Speaker 2>find that stuff. YouTube, Apple, Spotify, all the social media's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just search up the names of the shows. You can

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<v Speaker 2>find us there. But yeah, man, I just finished my

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<v Speaker 2>first book and it's called The Epic of Esau, The

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<v Speaker 2>birth Right and Seed War. So I had to get

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<v Speaker 2>the red lentlel stew on the table and this bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>sasquatch looking guy, yoked out, walking away with a bow

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<v Speaker 2>on his back. But yeah, you can get this on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on ebook and paperback. So yeah, being a wild

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<v Speaker 2>hell young man from East Tennessee and in and out

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<v Speaker 2>of jail and drugs and all the all the stuff. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a typical story. But I never thought

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<v Speaker 2>writing a book would be on my to do list

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<v Speaker 2>for life. But you know, you say yes and step out.

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<v Speaker 2>God takes care of the rest man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, amen, Well, what a what an interesting character to

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<v Speaker 3>h to write a book about. Because when you're reading

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible, just just strictly the Bible, there's some there's

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<v Speaker 3>some interesting things mentioned about him that points to you

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<v Speaker 3>to different directions. So what what was it out of

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<v Speaker 3>the just just straight from the Bible first before we

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<v Speaker 3>dig into extra biblical text that made you just go,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, this is somebody I would like to

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<v Speaker 3>concentrate on, because they're giving us hints here of something

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<v Speaker 3>that's more interesting than than than we're getting getting fed.

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<v Speaker 3>Just from the Book of Genesis. What was it that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of stood out to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean at first, I mean it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 2>I had like a perception change. I got a new

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<v Speaker 2>set of glasses to read this book. You know, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Heiser, did he hit that reset button for me?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, to put the step into the ancient mindset

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<v Speaker 2>Bible was written to, you know, to properly understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>But just the birth, the birth alone, it's strange to

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<v Speaker 2>say the least. You know, Genesis twenty five. Twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>over it just you know, as a kid or a

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<v Speaker 2>if they did touch on it, it was like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know he was had Harry arms or a good

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<v Speaker 2>full beard, you know he was. He was just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of You're like, you're Harry uncle.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes to the beach, takes his shirt off and

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<v Speaker 2>So that immediately kind of stood out to me. But

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<v Speaker 2>another thing was the trading of the birthright. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>that that was just so strange and didn't make any

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<v Speaker 2>sense whatsoever. It's you know, I tell people it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the modern context. Your father is Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're set to inherit the billions of dollars, the

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<v Speaker 2>family business. The keys to the kingdom are yours, and

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<v Speaker 2>real estate and trade everything for a bag of Dorito's

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<v Speaker 2>from your brother. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was just saying to myself, there has to be

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<v Speaker 2>something missing from this story. So like Genesis six, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this little blurb and we're like, whoa, whoa, there

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<v Speaker 2>has to be more to this story. And once you

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<v Speaker 2>get to dig and go through some of these extra

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<v Speaker 2>biblical books and stuff, that's where you find all the

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<v Speaker 2>connective tissue.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, hey, man, I totally get it. Man, and even me,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm going through uh. I went through Genesis

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<v Speaker 3>and Exodus, Leviticus. Afe not not all the way through Leviticus,

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<v Speaker 3>but just just when you're just concentrating on portions and

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<v Speaker 3>just studying and studying studying, then this this portion stood

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<v Speaker 3>out to me too, you know, And I definitely had

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<v Speaker 3>questions after after studying it, and then I'm thinking, next

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<v Speaker 3>time I come around, I'll study more and deeper. But

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<v Speaker 3>this is a perfect time for me to have you

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<v Speaker 3>on the show because on Josh Monday, Christian Conspiracy pasta

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just our podcast, I'm just about to release that, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>that portion of of scripture. So it's gonna this is

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<v Speaker 3>gonna end up lining up perfect, you know, for for

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<v Speaker 3>you to kind of fill in the blakes. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so now so we have that portion. Uh you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a what's a few of the of the of

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<v Speaker 3>the bullet points that you got just from the Bible?

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<v Speaker 3>Why is that? Okay if you name those, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if you have them off the probably have them

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<v Speaker 3>off the top of your head. Obviously wrote the book,

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<v Speaker 3>but a few bullet points on Esau biblically, should we

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<v Speaker 3>go through some of those just so people understand some

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<v Speaker 3>of the attributes of him that did kind of that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of points you towards maybe what your book is saying,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the giant portion or strong men or or

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<v Speaker 3>anything like that. Maybe we could point out those first

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<v Speaker 3>and then then you can maybe give them the extra

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<v Speaker 3>biblical text portion of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just as far as the Bible. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>even said it, like in the description on the back

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<v Speaker 2>of the book. He's one of the most enigmatic characters

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<v Speaker 2>of the Bible because you just have little blurbs and

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<v Speaker 2>bits and pieces about him. But if you just restricted

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<v Speaker 2>yourself to the Bible, it's definitely something that is hinting

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<v Speaker 2>toward missing context. There's something these people that were reading

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<v Speaker 2>this and the people of this time knew that we

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<v Speaker 2>are just we're missing and you can see that cook

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<v Speaker 2>because kind of how they talk about in the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>about this guy, it's like, you know, you're supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>assume and you're supposed to already know why God hated Esau,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and things like that. So it's like you

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<v Speaker 2>have the birth come out red, covering hair from head

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<v Speaker 2>to toe like a Harry Cloak. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>just fascinating how the writer threw in, you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>the detail of the birth that you know, basically his

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<v Speaker 2>foot was pushing on Jacob's head and Jacob was clutching

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<v Speaker 2>his heel. So it's almost kind of like a snapshot

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<v Speaker 2>of Genesis three point fifteen there, and it's not far

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<v Speaker 2>from the telling of that dragon slayer prophecy is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as Timothy Albarino likes to call it. So you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of have that law of first mentioned rule going on

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<v Speaker 2>there with biblical scholars talking about how they use imagery

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<v Speaker 2>and words to point back, you know, to certain events,

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<v Speaker 2>and he, you know, trades his burst right and that

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<v Speaker 2>to me, like I said earlier, just didn't make no sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have the people like some of my

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<v Speaker 2>pastors and stuff growing up. You know, Oh, he was

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<v Speaker 2>just a very carnal man. Uh, he cared, He let

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<v Speaker 2>the desires of the flesh rule him. He was just

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<v Speaker 2>hungry and that's all he was concerned about. So he

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<v Speaker 2>just traded away the birth right. And then oh he

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<v Speaker 2>was just hairy like your uncle. You know, he just

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<v Speaker 2>had a good, good beard. But the problem is is

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't poetic language. No Esau was literally so hairy that

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<v Speaker 2>he felt like a goat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you've ever failed a goat's fur, man, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to because it sounds so crazy, But I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's it's the truth. If you let scripture say

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the thing that I think is interesting is

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's I think that that we can valid Like

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<v Speaker 3>I always tell people, I could validate the Book of

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<v Speaker 3>Moses so much just by going to Numbers versus numbers twelve,

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<v Speaker 3>verses four through eight, where God is saying that he

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<v Speaker 3>speaks to Moses face to face or mouth the mouth, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And then you go to the Book of Exodus and

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<v Speaker 3>It can't be taken the way some of these scholars

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<v Speaker 3>or biblical you know, theologians try to try to say.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, some of it's allegorical. Like for me, I

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<v Speaker 3>just take it like you are saying. I'm taking it

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<v Speaker 3>like God is downloading this information to Moses. And why

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<v Speaker 3>is he saying to Moses these certain things? Right, So

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<v Speaker 3>they're obviously important to giving these bullet points on est Also,

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<v Speaker 3>as Justin's going through what he's going through, I just

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<v Speaker 3>of First of all, God cannot lie. It's impossible for

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<v Speaker 3>God to lie. Everything that that Justin is saying is coming.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a download from the most High to Moses. So

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<v Speaker 3>it is especially the biblical portion of this is information

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<v Speaker 3>that we should we should look at it through that lens. Also,

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<v Speaker 3>do not add to the word of God Proverbs thirty

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<v Speaker 3>verse five, because because God's word is pure, right, So

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<v Speaker 3>so what he's saying is is exactly what God was

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<v Speaker 3>saying about you saw, And we don't add to the

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<v Speaker 3>word of God where some people try to do, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and like this is just allegorical, this is just poetic language. No,

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<v Speaker 3>this is God is saying this for a reason. There's

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<v Speaker 3>bullet points on this, gentleman, for a reason. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>go ahead and continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry man, Yeah, And then you taught, it goes on

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<v Speaker 2>and it follows his genealogy and basically after you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's quote unquote screwed out of his verse, right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>when he goes into full rebellion and he takes not one,

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<v Speaker 2>not two, but three wives, and two of them were

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<v Speaker 2>God commanded him not to do. And when you go

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<v Speaker 2>through there and you read, you know, it gives the names,

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<v Speaker 2>it gives the in laws, the authors, and uh, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>to the great work of people like Gary Wayne, you

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<v Speaker 2>can go through Deuteronomy in numbers in these books and

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<v Speaker 2>trace some of these Nephilim giant genealogies. And that's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>who these two girls were. And right, one of them

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<v Speaker 2>was the hit Tide and whole rights. Yeah, and so

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<v Speaker 2>even Gary says in his book, you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>high probability because these were high chiefs, their fathers, so

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<v Speaker 2>these were like giant you know, it's a high likelihood.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know, but they could have been giantesses. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they were definitely ben giant clans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>so I was like, you have this hairy you know,

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote man breeding with Nephlim giants, you have a

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<v Speaker 2>high likelihood of throwing some really strange pups, to say

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<v Speaker 2>the least. Yeah, and they end up his nephew. Through

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<v Speaker 2>all this inner breeding with these giant clans, Uh ends

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<v Speaker 2>up producing a Malek, which an entire Nephelan you know,

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<v Speaker 2>tribe known for their ruthlessness and their and their their

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<v Speaker 2>battle tactics. The Uh, the Amalekites were named after him,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you go to the Hebrew, that name means

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<v Speaker 2>blood liquors. And they were known like basically like Viking deserks,

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<v Speaker 2>that they were known for battle and they're fearless, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and just how great they were out on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>And their name needs blood liquors. I mean that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>pretty you know, vamporistic. And his third wife, he goes

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<v Speaker 2>to Ishmael. Okay, so now here is someone in the

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<v Speaker 2>same situation as him. Here is another eldest brother who

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<v Speaker 2>was quote unquote screwed out of their birthright. So you

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine the hatred that was sown around the late

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<v Speaker 2>night campfires with these two guys. And you talk about

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<v Speaker 2>blood feuds, you know, this hatfield McCoy don't have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>on us. And it's playing out today when you turn

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<v Speaker 2>on your news and you see all the stuff going

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<v Speaker 2>on over there, over the Gods, the strip and the

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<v Speaker 2>two States solution. This is the enmity between the two seeds.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the seed war because you have Jacob and

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<v Speaker 2>Esau and the other side thinks that they were screwed

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<v Speaker 2>out of their inheritance and their birthright and they're fighting

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<v Speaker 2>to the death over and over there. And from this

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<v Speaker 2>union you have all your Muslim nations and people groups

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<v Speaker 2>that want to just wipe off God's people from the

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<v Speaker 2>face of the earth.

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<v Speaker 4>So true.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so much, so much to unpack there. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I was in to when when Jacob met

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<v Speaker 3>back with his brother.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, his brother had all these men with them,

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<v Speaker 3>and Jacob he knows obviously how strong his brother is

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<v Speaker 3>because he literally bows down like seven times before he

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<v Speaker 3>gets to him where he's just making sure and then

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<v Speaker 3>he keeps offering up these gifts to him to have

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<v Speaker 3>him accept it, and he keeps denying it. No, brother,

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<v Speaker 3>it's good, it's good. And he just he needed him

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<v Speaker 3>to accept the gifts just to know that they are

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<v Speaker 3>good before he even approached him, because uh, Esau if

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<v Speaker 3>he if he wasn't of a giant stature, but he

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<v Speaker 3>obviously was. If he was just normal, he's obviously a

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<v Speaker 3>warrior that that kicks butt on the battlefield. His brother

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<v Speaker 3>was making sure and the whole story is super fascinating. Jason,

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<v Speaker 3>do you have anything to add on Broth or anything.

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<v Speaker 4>I was gonna say, Dude, your cover or your book

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<v Speaker 4>is awesome. Bro It's like a it's like Assassin's Creed

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<v Speaker 4>type of stuff. It's pretty cool looking up some cliff

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<v Speaker 4>notes and stuff. But yeah, I could, I could, Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>I could see.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree with you totally. It's a seed war and

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<v Speaker 4>I totally agree that. Uh that Esaw was the flesh

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<v Speaker 4>and his brother was was more of there's there's a spirit,

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<v Speaker 4>and well they both the kind of flesh. They kind

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<v Speaker 4>of went after the flesh at a young age. But

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<v Speaker 4>Esa stayed with it. He stayed worldly, you know, he

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<v Speaker 4>stayed out there with the Uh. He's that's what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 4>They do the two different kind of the seed and

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<v Speaker 4>the good seed the bad seed. It's it's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like just just the Bible has written so well

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<v Speaker 4>that they they go through and and have have all

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<v Speaker 4>this stuff that that that goes along and it tells

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<v Speaker 4>you the story and it tells you the exact way

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<v Speaker 4>it is, and some people interpret it some way. But

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<v Speaker 4>if you start from the beginning and keep going, it's

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<v Speaker 4>all about the bloodline. That's all about. That's why in

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<v Speaker 4>the Bible they show you so many of genealogies, and

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<v Speaker 4>people don't even to pay attention to the just go through,

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<v Speaker 4>like we got this, we got that. They get bored

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<v Speaker 4>in and look at it. But if you go through

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<v Speaker 4>and look at this stuff, it's super important, which which

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<v Speaker 4>which way the bloodlines win? Which way? Uh? Which way

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<v Speaker 4>God was going with with with blessing the nation? And

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<v Speaker 4>it's pretty crazy, and it's all written right there. It

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<v Speaker 4>seems like you got a pretty good gist of it, dude,

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<v Speaker 4>if you wrote a book about it. And I understand,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to watch a book too, but I just

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't even have the.

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<v Speaker 1>Time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna start with in oh man, come

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<v Speaker 4>on in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, in the beginning, one stormy night, No.

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<v Speaker 4>I got writer's blocked, dude, these kids leave me alone.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, and I think what's also fascinating if you

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<v Speaker 3>guys go you know, do get a chance to go

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<v Speaker 3>through the book of Genesis, like I'm going through, you

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<v Speaker 3>always notice that, you know, when they're marrying, like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Abraham's children or you know, on he keeps telling them

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<v Speaker 3>to go back to go marry outside of the Canaanites, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you're seeing all these like God even like

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<v Speaker 3>in Genesis fifteen, I'm not through with the Amorites, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>or you see like Sodom Ingamora fighting with the Raphaeim

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<v Speaker 3>on their side, you know, and you're seeing all these

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<v Speaker 3>you're seeing all these things mentioned like if you go

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like Gary Wayne really points this stuff out

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<v Speaker 3>of all these tribes and not knowing who these people are,

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<v Speaker 3>like the Hittites or the whole rights, you don't you

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<v Speaker 3>don't even know. So as you read through, not knowing

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<v Speaker 3>what Genesis six or these these those those also those bloodlines,

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<v Speaker 3>then you're reading the book as if it's just a

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<v Speaker 3>novel and you're not understanding. But once you dig in

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<v Speaker 3>and you know about Genesis six four, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>know that some of these are giant tribes and you're

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<v Speaker 3>noticing that that you know, Isaac is told to go

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<v Speaker 3>like four hundred and fifty miles to go meet with

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<v Speaker 3>his his wife and out of the out of the

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<v Speaker 3>side of the Canaanites. And then you're noticing these certain things.

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<v Speaker 3>And Jason was saying that Jacob was of the spirit

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<v Speaker 3>he is like later but yeah, he ends up lying

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<v Speaker 3>and and and the way that uh, she she lies,

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<v Speaker 3>the way she points it out as saying that he

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<v Speaker 3>you know, uh that Esau married the Canaanite, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>or or which is a hit tite you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>a whole right, And I'm sorry, I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>a hit tight. But we're noticing that Ah Abraham and

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<v Speaker 3>and his his family are surrounded by Canaanites and surrounded

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<v Speaker 3>by these giant tribes and U it's it's it's very

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<v Speaker 3>fascinating once you understand that, and you know that and

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<v Speaker 3>uh and and you just and then like later on too.

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<v Speaker 3>Like one thing that's interesting about about his his line

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<v Speaker 3>is that that King Herod was actually an Edamite in

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus's time. He came came from that line, and you

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<v Speaker 3>see how evil that he ended up being as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So that actually solidifies what probably what your book is

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<v Speaker 3>talking about. I don't know, did you have that in

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<v Speaker 3>your book at did you know that that part?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean you're discussing myself. I don't think you

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<v Speaker 4>knew it. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that you knew that that, but just it

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of points started.

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<v Speaker 2>Later, you know, yeah, it does. And I kind of

421
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<v Speaker 2>just like briefly mentioned it because I was talking about

422
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<v Speaker 2>how you know, at Satan's fall, uh and if you

423
00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:25.359
<v Speaker 2>follow that, and I love how Mike Haiser talked about it,

424
00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:29.640
<v Speaker 2>how he believes, you know, the seals started opening at

425
00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:34.440
<v Speaker 2>the resurrection, at the ascension, and he was talking about,

426
00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:36.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's we get that revelation twelve, that's the

427
00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.480
<v Speaker 2>birth of Christ and so you know, these behold these

428
00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:42.680
<v Speaker 2>signs in the heavens, a woman cloth and the sun

429
00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:47.559
<v Speaker 2>that's Burgo, twelve stars on her head, the constellation Leo,

430
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:50.839
<v Speaker 2>the moon under her feet, the sun in her womb

431
00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:55.960
<v Speaker 2>literally and all that stuff. And it said that you know,

432
00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:58.440
<v Speaker 2>if you do that astronomically like a clock, you know,

433
00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:02.599
<v Speaker 2>you can pinpoint the time to nine to eleven within

434
00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:06.079
<v Speaker 2>a two minute window with the moon. But that's when

435
00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.799
<v Speaker 2>the fighting breaks out and the rebellion happens. And it

436
00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.240
<v Speaker 2>says that that's when Satan and a third of the

437
00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.240
<v Speaker 2>angels was swept down, but also the dragon laying at

438
00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.720
<v Speaker 2>her her feet waiting to devour the child. The constellation

439
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Hydra is right there, which significantly its tail takes up

440
00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:27.519
<v Speaker 2>one third of the heavens and there's a significant lack

441
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<v Speaker 2>of stars compared to the rest of the heavens to

442
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:36.400
<v Speaker 2>where that tale is. So I talk about how he

443
00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:39.160
<v Speaker 2>was thrown down there. So it's kind of like they

444
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<v Speaker 2>were laying back and waiting and plotting, trying to figure

445
00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:43.839
<v Speaker 2>out what they were going to do. But then when

446
00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:46.720
<v Speaker 2>they seen the birth of Christ happen, that's they're like,

447
00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.240
<v Speaker 2>that's when they had to make their move, and then

448
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:51.160
<v Speaker 2>they were thrown down. But it says, you know, woe

449
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:54.480
<v Speaker 2>to the inhabitants of earth because his time is short.

450
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:57.920
<v Speaker 2>And so it's like boom right there at the birth

451
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:02.319
<v Speaker 2>of Jesus Herod, you know from the bad seed line,

452
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 2>uh Satan or a fallen angel starts whispering in his ear.

453
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.920
<v Speaker 2>There's a king being born and he's going to destroy

454
00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:13.599
<v Speaker 2>your kingdom. You better kill all the new born jew

455
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:18.279
<v Speaker 2>babies around Bethlehem, and the boom they send them out

456
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:20.759
<v Speaker 2>to kill all these babies. But the ads of the

457
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Lord Warrens marrying Joseph and they flee to Egypt just

458
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<v Speaker 2>like Moses, and or sustained for a season.

459
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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, yes, And then okay, so since we kind of

460
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<v Speaker 3>have a few well just so you guys know as well,

461
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:39.200
<v Speaker 3>he was a hunter. Jacob was more of an inside person,

462
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<v Speaker 3>so more of a I would say, like a mama's.

463
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:42.079
<v Speaker 4>Boy, you know.

464
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:46.119
<v Speaker 3>And then you know, I say, proud of Esau. You know,

465
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:47.839
<v Speaker 3>he was like, he's like, all right, he's a hunter.

466
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.319
<v Speaker 3>He's bringing me game. He's like all right, Like you know,

467
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:53.839
<v Speaker 3>when you have a boy like Jason has his son, Maverick,

468
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:55.519
<v Speaker 3>and he has two other sons, but they're not old

469
00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:58.119
<v Speaker 3>enough yet. But I'm noticing Jason's like, you know, he's

470
00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.880
<v Speaker 3>playing basketball a sudden, He's he's playing football. He's getting

471
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.359
<v Speaker 3>him ready to become, you know, a strong man, you know.

472
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:06.279
<v Speaker 3>So he's he's probably like that dad bond, you know,

473
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:08.519
<v Speaker 3>like they're they're probably you know, fishing whatever, you know

474
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:12.440
<v Speaker 3>together and hunting, and and you're noticing Jacob is more

475
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:14.839
<v Speaker 3>you know with his mom, you know, and and uh

476
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.359
<v Speaker 3>in the house maybe doing whatever he's doing, you know.

477
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:20.200
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so the and then and then uh, it's

478
00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:22.279
<v Speaker 3>saying that he's a hunter, he's he's a bowman, you know,

479
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:23.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, you know, you know, it's how to obviously

480
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:28.519
<v Speaker 3>handle himself in the field. And so now once you

481
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<v Speaker 3>get to like extra biblical text, what what was point?

482
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.480
<v Speaker 3>What what do you think Uh? What bullet points kind

483
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:35.640
<v Speaker 3>of came to you to uh, to where you got

484
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:39.160
<v Speaker 3>to your your conclusion in the book? Uh?

485
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, Uh. And I just say this for context, you know,

486
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.279
<v Speaker 2>because the stuff I talk about, you know, I mean

487
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I do I have people listen to the show that

488
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:51.519
<v Speaker 2>are not Christians. Uh, So you know, I kind of

489
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:53.480
<v Speaker 2>just say this for context. I'm like, you know, for

490
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.160
<v Speaker 2>us Christians, you know, we call it the Holy Spirit.

491
00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:57.039
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

492
00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:01.799
<v Speaker 2>The Greeks, you know, the voice or what's the word

493
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:03.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking for the inspiration they found, you know, they

494
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:08.200
<v Speaker 2>caught it the muse. But it's like, as I started

495
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>going through some of these extra biblical texts, you know,

496
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.440
<v Speaker 2>for interviews and for episodes and stuff that I'd done

497
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 2>on the show, I just started finding all these little

498
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:22.720
<v Speaker 2>pieces of Esau's story. And of course there was some

499
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.200
<v Speaker 2>that was you know, just didn't make sense or didn't

500
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.839
<v Speaker 2>fit into the biblical narrative where I had trouble getting

501
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.599
<v Speaker 2>it in there. So those I just kind of threw

502
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.720
<v Speaker 2>over my shoulder and kept digging. But I found a

503
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.000
<v Speaker 2>lot man that were I mean, it just fit perfect

504
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>into the biblical narrative and answered questions about stuff. I'm like, Okay,

505
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:43.920
<v Speaker 2>that makes a whole lot more sense now. I didn't

506
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:46.200
<v Speaker 2>have to twist it and force it in. I mean,

507
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>it just fit perfect. And the first one that I

508
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:56.440
<v Speaker 2>stumbled across was the Book of Jasher, and I have

509
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:58.759
<v Speaker 2>it in the books, but it's slipping my head now.

510
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 2>There's two references to the Book of Jasher in the

511
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Old Testament. I think one of them is in the

512
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Book of Kings. Yeah, yep. And so that shows you

513
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:19.240
<v Speaker 2>that this book was you know, this scroll was circulating

514
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:21.960
<v Speaker 2>amongst the people that they read it, and they knew it,

515
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:24.880
<v Speaker 2>and they were familiar with it. You know, we can

516
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 2>argue whether or not the version we have now is

517
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:33.559
<v Speaker 2>exactly the way the other one was. But so as

518
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.480
<v Speaker 2>I got to read in that though, it says that

519
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>when in Genesis we hear that just Esau comes in

520
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.400
<v Speaker 2>from the field exhausted and well, the Book of Jasher

521
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 2>says that Esau was alive during the time of King Nemrod,

522
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:55.519
<v Speaker 2>and they both were their claims to fame. As you mentioned, Josh,

523
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 2>they were the mighty hunters.

524
00:28:59.000 --> 00:28:59.160
<v Speaker 3>You know.

525
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 2>In Hebrew that that was gible reem, same word you

526
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:05.359
<v Speaker 2>used to describe the Nephelo giants. And in the Book

527
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 2>of Genesis we hear that Nimrod wasn't born a gibbe rim.

528
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:15.079
<v Speaker 2>It says that he became, yes, a gibrim. Yes, And

529
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:17.720
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people theorize, you know, was this uh,

530
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, sexual magic, you know, rights to manipulate the DNA,

531
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 2>or was this scientific or some kind of spiritual uh,

532
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:31.799
<v Speaker 2>selling your soul you know, to the to the naicas.

533
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:34.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's all kinds of theories circul circulating on

534
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:38.400
<v Speaker 2>how he became a Gibberim. But in the Book of

535
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:43.839
<v Speaker 2>Jashure it says that Nimrod looked upon Esau with jealousy

536
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:45.400
<v Speaker 2>and hatred all.

537
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Speaker 4>Of his days.

538
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:51.079
<v Speaker 2>And the way it words it is that Nimrod goes

539
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:57.279
<v Speaker 2>out with two other gible rim and they go to

540
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:01.440
<v Speaker 2>try to hunt down Esau. So it's kind of like

541
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, Disney's Beauty and the Beast, You know, you

542
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:11.119
<v Speaker 2>have Nimrod Gaston the great Hunter, trying to take down

543
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:16.279
<v Speaker 2>this hairy beast to get the notoriety of being the

544
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:18.839
<v Speaker 2>one that took down the mighty beast and mount that

545
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:24.359
<v Speaker 2>head on his mantle. That's his missing piece. And it

546
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:28.640
<v Speaker 2>says that Esau sees him coming and basically hides in

547
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.839
<v Speaker 2>the woods or the brush or whatever. But it says

548
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:35.559
<v Speaker 2>that when they approach and they turn their backs, that

549
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:39.640
<v Speaker 2>he springs out and takes his sword and cuts off

550
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 2>the head of Dimrod. And then he battles these other

551
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:47.519
<v Speaker 2>two gibber riem and he kills not one, not two,

552
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:53.960
<v Speaker 2>but three Nephelom giants and the king Nimrod. And it

553
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:58.519
<v Speaker 2>says that he takes the time to remove Nimrod's garments,

554
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.519
<v Speaker 2>and it just says it gives like just this little blurb,

555
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:06.200
<v Speaker 2>but it says, uh, he removed the garments to which

556
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Nimrod was able to rule over all the nations. And

557
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.839
<v Speaker 2>it says he takes it back home and he hides

558
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:19.000
<v Speaker 2>these garments and then he goes into the tent of

559
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:24.720
<v Speaker 2>his brother Jacob. So that to me tied in a

560
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.519
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of loose ends. That trading that birthright, you know,

561
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Genesis just says, he comes in from the field exhausted.

562
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:35.279
<v Speaker 2>You dagon right, he was exhausted. H. He probably sustained

563
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:37.680
<v Speaker 2>some life threatening injuries in this battle, you would assume.

564
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.559
<v Speaker 2>And he just killed the king. He's on the run.

565
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.799
<v Speaker 2>He's desperate, probably bleeding out, looking for somebody to sew

566
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 2>him up, feed him, and get him back to health.

567
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 2>But oh, I was just gonna say so uh that

568
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.599
<v Speaker 2>that explains why he was just like, you know, take it,

569
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 2>and then even says, yes, this's what use is a

570
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:05.559
<v Speaker 2>birth right to me when I'm dead?

571
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 4>Take it?

572
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.079
<v Speaker 2>And then it explains that the urgency in Jacob's voice,

573
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.839
<v Speaker 2>because Jacob's you know, he ain't just like, hey, yeah,

574
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>i'll give you some if you maybe trade me the

575
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:15.079
<v Speaker 2>birth right.

576
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 3>Now.

577
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.160
<v Speaker 2>When you read that, he says, trade me your birthright,

578
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:22.279
<v Speaker 2>do this thing. Now, promise me you will do this.

579
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:24.559
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of like, you know, it's like a

580
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:26.759
<v Speaker 2>heat of the moment, bleeding out, you know, and he's like,

581
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:30.240
<v Speaker 2>please help you help He's like, tell me, you promise

582
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:32.200
<v Speaker 2>me you'll do it. I'll help you, just promise me.

583
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.480
<v Speaker 3>And then the garment, the garment part is fascinating too.

584
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.759
<v Speaker 3>You know which garment that is. I know you'll probably

585
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:42.400
<v Speaker 3>get into that right now. But so maybe that's probably

586
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.079
<v Speaker 3>maybe another reason why, because that garment makes him makes

587
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:49.759
<v Speaker 3>you more powerful, right And maybe maybe that's another thing

588
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:51.759
<v Speaker 3>where he was like, Hey, I could say my birth

589
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.440
<v Speaker 3>right now, but I'll have no problem, you know, And

590
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 3>now I have this type of power having this this garment,

591
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.240
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if it gave him any any

592
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.920
<v Speaker 3>extra power, but supposedly it had this Uh is what

593
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.279
<v Speaker 3>that's that's that garment in the Book of Josh that's

594
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:08.079
<v Speaker 3>what gave Nimrod, that that get that mighty men gibberine.

595
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.759
<v Speaker 3>And then the in the Greek scept Tuogen that that

596
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:14.880
<v Speaker 3>word giberine is actually it is giant. They use that word.

597
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:19.119
<v Speaker 3>They don't even use uh mighty men in the Greek

598
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 3>scept Tuogen. And you know that the Greek scept tu

599
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:25.279
<v Speaker 3>agent the language is is more specific so and and

600
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:27.240
<v Speaker 3>more accurate. I guess what is it, Jason? What word?

601
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.279
<v Speaker 3>What did a Chuck Misser use on the On the

602
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Greek it's more not specific or accurate. It's another word

603
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:33.480
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember.

604
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that?

605
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:39.480
<v Speaker 4>Oh? It said it's uh, it's it's uh. It's so precise,

606
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:43.640
<v Speaker 4>because precise, that's the word more precise. Five, Like like

607
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.599
<v Speaker 4>the whole sentence has to fit perfectly or we'll they'll

608
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.640
<v Speaker 4>throw it out. But I want to mention you guys

609
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:52.240
<v Speaker 4>talked about earlier about how you saw or his brother

610
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.279
<v Speaker 4>it was it was Jacob, yeah about them, Like and

611
00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:59.200
<v Speaker 4>he's afraid. I was saying that, Like how it goes

612
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 4>to your point, like, I'm not afraid of my brother, Dude,

613
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:04.559
<v Speaker 4>I don't care how I don't care how boldly he is,

614
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 4>how big he gets, how that is. I'm not afraid

615
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 4>of him at all. And even if I took his

616
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.800
<v Speaker 4>birth rider, I'm not afraid to throw down my brother. Dude,

617
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 4>if if it had it, I'm like, I'm just saying.

618
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 4>But but if he was hanging around with a bunch

619
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:20.519
<v Speaker 4>of giants, did Yeah, if you're gonna you go up

620
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.000
<v Speaker 4>there to you know, and meet him, you're like, oh crap,

621
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.119
<v Speaker 4>these guys are no here you go. I have all

622
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:29.119
<v Speaker 4>this stuff, have my goats, have some women, whatever you want.

623
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:31.719
<v Speaker 4>But uh yeah, maybe that's why, because maybe he was

624
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.360
<v Speaker 4>super scared. Like they don't mention this stuff in the Bible.

625
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.800
<v Speaker 4>They just tell you like bits and pieces. But like

626
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<v Speaker 4>how the net how how uh, it's only in Genesis

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<v Speaker 4>six that they're they're mentioned scattered a little bit throughout

628
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<v Speaker 4>the Bible, but they're just mentioned there, and that they

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<v Speaker 4>not talked about it after that, like there was Nephlin thanks,

630
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<v Speaker 4>Like it's like, well the nefhlin?

631
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<v Speaker 3>What is this?

632
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<v Speaker 4>What is that? It's like giants for back in the days.

633
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<v Speaker 4>That's kind of kind of sounds kind of fairy tailish,

634
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<v Speaker 4>But I think they kick all of that stuff. Like

635
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<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of that stuff, like the Book

636
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<v Speaker 4>of Joshure, the Apocrypha, you know, those type of books

637
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<v Speaker 4>like you said they were they were widely read and

638
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<v Speaker 4>that's the language they use, and that's what the probably

639
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<v Speaker 4>what the rabbis taught to like all that stuff, like

640
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<v Speaker 4>how Enoch was the same way, Like it's not panical

641
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<v Speaker 4>or how do you say, I don't know, I don't

642
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<v Speaker 4>know how to say that, but uh, but it was

643
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<v Speaker 4>the actual teachings they were having and the language they

644
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.400
<v Speaker 4>are speaking back in the days, So you can't really

645
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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's it's a good way to study. It's

646
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<v Speaker 4>not a it might not be biblical, but who knows,

647
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<v Speaker 4>maybe they took it out for that reason. To maybe not,

648
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<v Speaker 4>you know, uh, because it's interesting to me, like it

649
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<v Speaker 4>like it's kind of like a comic book or something

650
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<v Speaker 4>like it It grabs me and I'm like, oh man,

651
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.599
<v Speaker 4>these characters are cool, these all this is awesome. These guys.

652
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<v Speaker 4>It's and then you start pick clicking and like you

653
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<v Speaker 4>start seeing like the how you said that, the seed

654
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<v Speaker 4>war and the and the birthrights and and and you

655
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 4>start going. You start doing studies and like some people,

656
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.159
<v Speaker 4>like my buddy's don't like, dude, where what are you doing?

657
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<v Speaker 5>Bro?

658
00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.679
<v Speaker 4>Like where are you in the Bible? Like I'm like

659
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.039
<v Speaker 4>just trying to learn to be Like I'm I just

660
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<v Speaker 4>study it differently. I don't. I don't look at it

661
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<v Speaker 4>just as the as it just tells you something is

662
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<v Speaker 4>like there's a meaning behind all of it, and it's

663
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<v Speaker 4>and if you can find it, that's pretty cool. It's

664
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<v Speaker 4>pretty it's pretty pretty awesome. Yeah, I agree. You also

665
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<v Speaker 4>wrote a book about it. You wrote a book. It

666
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<v Speaker 4>got you off your eyes to write a book. And

667
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:24.840
<v Speaker 4>like you said, a lot of your listeners probably don't

668
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<v Speaker 4>even believers, but you never know. You grab one of

669
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:29.920
<v Speaker 4>those guys's ears and he'll boom, she write it and

670
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.360
<v Speaker 4>be a believer, and I'm like, oh man, this guy

671
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<v Speaker 4>wrote something that was really cool. It's interesting. I never

672
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:35.480
<v Speaker 4>thought about it like that puts in a new perspective.

673
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<v Speaker 4>And when you do that, it brings the Bible alive.

674
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<v Speaker 3>Bro exactly like taking these like these these portions and

675
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.679
<v Speaker 3>and then once you like, that's the thing, once you uh,

676
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.480
<v Speaker 3>once those those keys are unlocked, and then as you

677
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.679
<v Speaker 3>as you continue to go through, it just opens up

678
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:55.199
<v Speaker 3>different avenues and your mind. It expands your mind in

679
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.440
<v Speaker 3>it in a way where where people are are like

680
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<v Speaker 3>if you expite it to people like Jay, someone's saying

681
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.119
<v Speaker 3>maybe a common person like that's why they say, like

682
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 3>where you at and the Bible? Are you getting all this?

683
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 3>But once you lay up foundation and and and and

684
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.880
<v Speaker 3>then the people have that foundation, then they could follow

685
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 3>along quite easily. And then when you point certain things out,

686
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 3>like like like in the Book of Genesis, the whole

687
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:22.800
<v Speaker 3>entire time God is is keeps on mentioning Amorites or

688
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:25.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, these different giant tribes, like even even like

689
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:29.119
<v Speaker 3>I said, and and you don't see God getting involved

690
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.079
<v Speaker 3>unless it is something that has to do with the

691
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 3>giants or you know, even even like the Tower of Babbel,

692
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.760
<v Speaker 3>like there was something there a little bit more. And

693
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.519
<v Speaker 3>then also Sodom and Gomorah, where they're going after a

694
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.719
<v Speaker 3>strange flesh. God doesn't get involved. Like think about Sodom

695
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.559
<v Speaker 3>and Gomorah. It says the Lord had the Lord throw

696
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.159
<v Speaker 3>fire and brimstone on this city. Everyone's like, uh, I

697
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.920
<v Speaker 3>see pastors talking about Sodom and Gamora and they're like, oh,

698
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.360
<v Speaker 3>it's because you know there there there was sodomy, and

699
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:57.960
<v Speaker 3>there was there was wide.

700
00:37:57.800 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 4>Activities, but the condoonement of it.

701
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.320
<v Speaker 3>Everybody was well, yes, that portion, that portion is is true,

702
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:10.119
<v Speaker 3>but what there was something more to it? Think about this, dude, Jesus,

703
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 3>I believe it's Jesus uh that Lord Porson and then God,

704
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.920
<v Speaker 3>the Father's the other Lord Porson. It's so it's so

705
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.360
<v Speaker 3>something is so evil as going on that that God

706
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:26.000
<v Speaker 3>literally destroyed that whole entire city and he came to check,

707
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:28.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, what was going on. But anyways, that strange

708
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 3>flesh portion, I personally believe that that could be a

709
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.079
<v Speaker 3>point where they were trying to do second incursion fallen

710
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 3>angel type of activity.

711
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:42.559
<v Speaker 2>And the reason did you use that same strange about

712
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 2>strange flesh and associated directly with Genesis six.

713
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and obvious, yeah, and and so I think that

714
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:51.360
<v Speaker 3>there's something more to it, obviously, and that's why God

715
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.920
<v Speaker 3>got involved. And then Tower of Babbel. I think as

716
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:57.039
<v Speaker 3>you get into extra biblical text, you're learning more and

717
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.559
<v Speaker 3>more like there's something more to that as well. Building

718
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<v Speaker 3>the tower to the heavens enticing fallen angels to come

719
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<v Speaker 3>back down. Maybe like there was some some people that

720
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<v Speaker 3>that theorize that maybe they're trying to bring a virgin

721
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<v Speaker 3>up there to try to get fallen like entice these

722
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:16.440
<v Speaker 3>fallen angels again because uh, you know, because of Nimrod's ancestors.

723
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:18.519
<v Speaker 3>Just there's just more to it. The reason why God

724
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:22.079
<v Speaker 3>gets involved obviously with Genesis six happening and that God,

725
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, the flood came and Jenet and Joshua ten

726
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:28.480
<v Speaker 3>through twelve. When we were mentioning where it mentions the

727
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Book of Joshure, excuse me, God stops the moon and

728
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<v Speaker 3>the sun from moving because Joshua was fighting who Joshua's

729
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.159
<v Speaker 3>fighting the Amorites, the king of Bashan. Right, So God

730
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<v Speaker 3>is getting physically involved right there because he wants to

731
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<v Speaker 3>make sure that these giant tribes are wiped out and uh,

732
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 3>you know the five four King war in the Book

733
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<v Speaker 3>of Genesis that that is you see, you hear giant

734
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<v Speaker 3>tribes mentioned there, and uh, it's just it's it's fascinating

735
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<v Speaker 3>when you when you dig and you find out these

736
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<v Speaker 3>these things, like Gary Wayne kind of opened up to

737
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<v Speaker 3>some people and and then you see these different tribes

738
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 3>throughout the Bible. Once you know, then you're like, okay,

739
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:10.000
<v Speaker 3>then you understand. And then these atheists and these people

740
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<v Speaker 3>that have all these contentions towards the Bible, if they

741
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<v Speaker 3>knew these certain things that you're you're probably opening up

742
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:18.880
<v Speaker 3>in your in your on your show, in your book,

743
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:20.840
<v Speaker 3>and then we're trying to open up and you know,

744
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<v Speaker 3>God is opening up through us to different people, then

745
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.480
<v Speaker 3>they don't they can't really be contentious towards God doing

746
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.760
<v Speaker 3>these certain things like the flood or wiping out all men, women,

747
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.159
<v Speaker 3>and children of a tribe. You know, once they find

748
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<v Speaker 3>out these these certain points in the Bible, if that

749
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<v Speaker 3>makes sense.

750
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<v Speaker 4>Well, everybody says that people that aren't believers, they go, well,

751
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 4>why if there's a God, why would you wipe out women, children,

752
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:49.559
<v Speaker 4>and you know all these people. And it's like because

753
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.880
<v Speaker 4>there's a reason for that. And every time he states,

754
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:58.159
<v Speaker 4>he tells saul Ay, wipe out, I don't care, don't

755
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.440
<v Speaker 4>bring back anything, not their cat, own nothing, and he

756
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.079
<v Speaker 4>doesn't want nothing to do. And every time he states this,

757
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 4>it's always wipe out every woman, child, cat, dog, whatever

758
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 4>is involved in that situation. Wipe them out because but

759
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 4>there's always some way that that they always disobey too,

760
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 4>so they always bring back some of something from there,

761
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 4>or they make back to you, like like you said,

762
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.880
<v Speaker 4>don't be making those told Joshua, don't be making deals

763
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.719
<v Speaker 4>with nobody, nobody out here. And then he goes in accident,

764
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:32.559
<v Speaker 4>he gets conned in doing it. But what does God do.

765
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:34.519
<v Speaker 4>He makes He holds him up to his he holds

766
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:36.960
<v Speaker 4>him up to me. He makes some honor is his decisions.

767
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 4>But it's the the Nephelin and and all that. It's

768
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.159
<v Speaker 4>it's a it's a crazy concept and it makes you

769
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 4>it kind of makes you think, like, man, is is

770
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:52.079
<v Speaker 4>this stuff all real? Is it really?

771
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<v Speaker 5>That?

772
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:54.159
<v Speaker 4>Is it really like that? And when you get down

773
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<v Speaker 4>and if I've never read a book like this, the

774
00:41:56.360 --> 00:42:00.199
<v Speaker 4>Bible that explains it, like everything is explained perfect, and

775
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.159
<v Speaker 4>you're like dang, dude, this is this is this is

776
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:05.199
<v Speaker 4>this is Did I just do a breakthrough? And I did.

777
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:06.800
<v Speaker 4>I did just find something that maybe no one else

778
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 4>That's why I thought at first off, like I find

779
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.079
<v Speaker 4>something that nobody else found down It's like, you know,

780
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:11.800
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of people actually think like this. And

781
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:14.360
<v Speaker 4>and and I understand that there was there was a

782
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 4>blood there was a bloodline, there was a blood issue.

783
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:22.719
<v Speaker 4>There was and it's and and God, you know, has

784
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:27.840
<v Speaker 4>to intervene because we're too we were we just do

785
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:29.559
<v Speaker 4>wherever we want anyways we don't know we're doing. So

786
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:31.800
<v Speaker 4>God has to intervene. He has to he has to

787
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:36.400
<v Speaker 4>uh kind of maneuver people. And and and like like

788
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 4>you said, Ruth was a Moabite, Uh what was Rebecca?

789
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:44.840
<v Speaker 4>She was also Uh she was also a gentile, a

790
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<v Speaker 4>lot of gentile. Who else a rahab was a gentile?

791
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:51.639
<v Speaker 4>Wasn't And uh, you have all these gentile women that

792
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.559
<v Speaker 4>God said don't get with and don't mess with. But

793
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<v Speaker 4>he's you know, that's how you get the Messiah through that,

794
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.960
<v Speaker 4>through those lines. It's it's kind of crazy, it's very crazy.

795
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:01.280
<v Speaker 4>If you go read your there's a blood curse on

796
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 4>the whole lineup David, Yes, but he goes through two

797
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 4>different if you read Luke and you read Matthew. One

798
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:13.800
<v Speaker 4>goes through Nathaniel, one goes through the Solomon. That's how

799
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.559
<v Speaker 4>crazy it is. And they both and one is Joseph's

800
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<v Speaker 4>side and one is Mary's side. Boom, they're both through

801
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.079
<v Speaker 4>the line of David, but one is from It's like

802
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.400
<v Speaker 4>you go through like, dang, dude, if this is if

803
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 4>this isn't real, someone's super good con and I don't

804
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.719
<v Speaker 4>care who you are, there's no way you're gonna reach

805
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.480
<v Speaker 4>this many people from two thousand and three thousand years

806
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<v Speaker 4>ago and and have like a just a just still

807
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.280
<v Speaker 4>like wow, that's that's hard to that's hard to conceive,

808
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.159
<v Speaker 4>Like it's very hard to conceive it. But it's like

809
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:48.280
<v Speaker 4>when you go through it, you're like, man, I better

810
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 4>start paying attention to the little things in this Bible

811
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:53.960
<v Speaker 4>because little things are usually the ones that really put

812
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:56.079
<v Speaker 4>put it out and put it all together. Like I

813
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 4>love like you, I love like you talking about giving

814
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 4>up your birthright. It's it seems like canaan Abel one

815
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.679
<v Speaker 4>get one is one is favored the one, the other one.

816
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Isn't one one it is the same man story over over.

817
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:15.039
<v Speaker 4>Yes, because and and and. In our form of prophecy,

818
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 4>it's prediction fulfillment. But in the in the Jewish prophecy,

819
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:23.280
<v Speaker 4>it's pattern. For film, it there's always it's it's it's

820
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 4>the same things happening over and over, and it's not

821
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 4>it might be, it might be it's just different people,

822
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 4>but it's it's that's how they're predicted. That's how their

823
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.760
<v Speaker 4>prophecy is done. It's done by it's it's done by

824
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<v Speaker 4>I forgot what what the word was for it, but

825
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<v Speaker 4>it's it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>If you get like like we were talking about canebel

828
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<v Speaker 4>you have one guy that's that's favored because he listens

829
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<v Speaker 4>to what God wants, and the other one wants to

830
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<v Speaker 4>bring what he thinks is is is what God wants.

831
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<v Speaker 4>That's where you get one side that that that totally believes,

832
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:02.119
<v Speaker 4>has so much faith and and understands grace, understands all

833
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 4>that stuff, and the other one he just thinks, hey, man,

834
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:08.280
<v Speaker 4>you know what I do. This work, I work this land,

835
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 4>I'm a I provide for my family this way. This

836
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.079
<v Speaker 4>is what probably God will want. And God's like, no,

837
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:18.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't want that. I told you. There's certain ways

838
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:20.880
<v Speaker 4>I tell you to do things and you don't listen

839
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:22.639
<v Speaker 4>all that. Let me listen. You want to start your

840
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 4>own religion through through this type of uh type of

841
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:31.480
<v Speaker 4>type of thinking. And sometimes that's that's why God intervenes.

842
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 4>It's it's it's it's crazy, Adam and Eve that one

843
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.320
<v Speaker 4>gives It's just like it's all through the Bible they

844
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 4>give people giving up their birthright. You know, Samson, he

845
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.599
<v Speaker 4>was chosen to be a great, a great, great champion,

846
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.800
<v Speaker 4>he just gives it, gives up his his his right

847
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.920
<v Speaker 4>to do anything because he makes stupid decisions because he

848
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:52.320
<v Speaker 4>falls for the the for lust and through the eyes.

849
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:56.239
<v Speaker 4>And there's just so many different like things in the

850
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:58.880
<v Speaker 4>Bible that are that are all about the same type

851
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:02.400
<v Speaker 4>of you know, second born Noise getting the birthright, the

852
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:05.639
<v Speaker 4>firstborn Noise ends up losing it or getting screwed or

853
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:08.360
<v Speaker 4>screwed himself out of it doing something stupid or and

854
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:10.239
<v Speaker 4>it's just it's like danged. And when you go through

855
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:12.199
<v Speaker 4>the Bible like on this is boring, dude, I can't

856
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.519
<v Speaker 4>read this stuff and say, nah, dude, it's very interesting.

857
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Speaker 2>And that's a bigger meta narrative and I tell people.

858
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I try to you know, I love how Derek Gilbert,

859
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, he said that he was a generalist. And

860
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.440
<v Speaker 2>when I tell people, you know, if I could classify

861
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.800
<v Speaker 2>myself as something, that would probably be it. I know

862
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.719
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about a lot of different things, and

863
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I try to connect them. And I love these micro

864
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:42.760
<v Speaker 2>and micro like narratives in the Bible because, like you

865
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:46.000
<v Speaker 2>had mentioned, you had kanaan Abel, you have Jacob and Esau,

866
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 2>you have the heavenly family. Because if you look at

867
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.880
<v Speaker 2>it that way, you know, the angelic race is the

868
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:03.280
<v Speaker 2>elder brother and we are the younger brother. And it

869
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.960
<v Speaker 2>plays into these parables, and I think that's what Jesus

870
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:08.239
<v Speaker 2>was talking about, like when he told the parable of

871
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:13.280
<v Speaker 2>the prodigal son. There was an elder son and there

872
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:17.280
<v Speaker 2>was a younger son. The younger son wanted his inheritance now,

873
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 2>and he got it and took off and rolled in

874
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the pig excrement and came back and was welcomed with

875
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.440
<v Speaker 2>open arms. It says that a cloak was put on him,

876
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:32.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, symbolically for these these garments and birth right

877
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:36.400
<v Speaker 2>and the signet ring, the family crest. A big party

878
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 2>was thrown, but the elder brother was pissed off. He

879
00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:44.840
<v Speaker 2>was like, I've been here since the beginning. I've never left,

880
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:48.239
<v Speaker 2>I've never done you wrong. Where's my fat and calf?

881
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:56.239
<v Speaker 2>And that is a more you know, macro narrative of

882
00:47:56.519 --> 00:48:01.079
<v Speaker 2>the angelic race in US and their fall in their rebellion.

883
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.199
<v Speaker 3>That's great and I never thought of it that way.

884
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:06.800
<v Speaker 4>Very gets a way to put it.

885
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's that's very interesting. And then one one

886
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:13.599
<v Speaker 3>more thing I was gonna ask you is, uh, what

887
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.199
<v Speaker 3>was that garment? I know what it is, but I

888
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:18.400
<v Speaker 3>want my audience to know what was that garment that

889
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:22.519
<v Speaker 3>that Nimrod had that the Book of Joshua describes, And

890
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.920
<v Speaker 3>why was that important for Esau to take that garment off?

891
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:27.360
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want I didn't want to lose that part

892
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 3>because I know we're going somewhere else.

893
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:31.280
<v Speaker 4>What was the garment? Well?

894
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh, when I first read that, I was like, Okay,

895
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.199
<v Speaker 2>what's the deal with these garments? And as you keep reading,

896
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.719
<v Speaker 2>you find out that these are the super natural garments

897
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 2>from the Garden of God.

898
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:54.800
<v Speaker 4>This like their oarium type of thing that when you

899
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:58.800
<v Speaker 4>shed your you shed your okitarium, your your uh, the

900
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.199
<v Speaker 4>angels and and and when they fell when they came

901
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:03.920
<v Speaker 4>down to down sex with him, they shed.

902
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Their oh left their first to stay.

903
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like how like how when when Adam came back

904
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:11.760
<v Speaker 4>he knew what was wrong with Eve? He knew because

905
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 4>she was different, Like, hey, like you don't look the same,

906
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.480
<v Speaker 4>like you're light, you know. I'm like, I wonder how

907
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.239
<v Speaker 4>you would look with your heavenly gardle. I see what

908
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:21.840
<v Speaker 4>you're saying, Jason, have you ever heard I want to

909
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.559
<v Speaker 4>ask you a question, have you ever heard of Elijah's mantle?

910
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 4>Kind of the same thing like he had.

911
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Like a I think that's the supernatural garment too, yeah,

912
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.920
<v Speaker 2>because they.

913
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:36.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he gives it. Yeah, there you go. It's kind

914
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:38.679
<v Speaker 4>of like a here, now you take now, you take

915
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 4>this this this part because he called fire down from

916
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.119
<v Speaker 4>Evan dude and stuff like that, like there's only a

917
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:44.760
<v Speaker 4>few guys. There's only a few guys in the Bible

918
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:46.360
<v Speaker 4>that I can do that. It was Moses and him

919
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 4>and well you.

920
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Can also see the angelic realm. He tells Alicia, his

921
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:53.400
<v Speaker 3>his his partner, like you don't understand what's on that

922
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.239
<v Speaker 3>mountain and then ask God to release the veil.

923
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:58.360
<v Speaker 4>It's like, okay, we're good.

924
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:02.320
<v Speaker 3>You know. So, yeah, it's almost like having that on

925
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:05.639
<v Speaker 3>you're able to see the angelic realm.

926
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Man.

927
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:07.880
<v Speaker 4>That's a good point, dude, that's a really good point.

928
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 4>Like you shed that first, your first your first like

929
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:14.480
<v Speaker 4>kind of like your first skin, your first, you know,

930
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:19.559
<v Speaker 4>your first darmit and you go and you go with uh, man,

931
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:21.760
<v Speaker 4>that's crazy and her thought about that, Well, you're blowing

932
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:23.519
<v Speaker 4>my mind right now, bro, Thank you. I appreciate that.

933
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:25.599
<v Speaker 3>This is something something me and my friend Jared, the

934
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 3>one that listens to your show, Justin we were talking

935
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.039
<v Speaker 3>about too. We don't want to go too many places,

936
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:31.920
<v Speaker 3>but I think we have some some some things here

937
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.920
<v Speaker 3>that we're unlocking that I think people maybe don't even

938
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.480
<v Speaker 3>in the Book of Ezekiel when it's talking about when

939
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:39.400
<v Speaker 3>it's talking about Lucifer in the garden and he has

940
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:41.920
<v Speaker 3>all these different stones, you know, like you know, yes,

941
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:46.360
<v Speaker 3>I think that that is his okitarian right, And what

942
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:48.599
<v Speaker 3>does that look like? Well, if you take a p

943
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:50.760
<v Speaker 3>one thousand camera and you look up to a star,

944
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.960
<v Speaker 3>you're seeing it look like different jewels, you know, And

945
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:57.960
<v Speaker 3>people might think I'm crazy, But the way I read

946
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:00.719
<v Speaker 3>the Bibles is and just like Justin was saying, when

947
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 3>you look up at that the third of the stars

948
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:04.920
<v Speaker 3>are gone. Well, what are the stars like? Even at

949
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.719
<v Speaker 3>extra biblical text, you know, would they would be angels?

950
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:07.960
<v Speaker 4>Right?

951
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.079
<v Speaker 3>So that could be the okaitarian could look like what

952
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:13.280
<v Speaker 3>you see in a p one thousand camera when you

953
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.239
<v Speaker 3>look at camera, look at these stars, they're shining in

954
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.360
<v Speaker 3>different colors that look like jewels, And that could be

955
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.800
<v Speaker 3>angels up there. And that's what their okaitarian looks like

956
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:26.280
<v Speaker 3>the same thing that's described in the Book of Ezekiel

957
00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:29.199
<v Speaker 3>when you when you look at you know, Lucifer, when

958
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:33.400
<v Speaker 3>his okaitarian different color jewels. Now, am I crazy? Maybe?

959
00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:37.000
<v Speaker 3>But look what the Bible says in about all the

960
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.000
<v Speaker 3>stars falling to the earth. What does it say in

961
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.400
<v Speaker 3>the book Revelation all the stars are going to fall

962
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:44.400
<v Speaker 3>to the earth? Right, it says in the Book of Isaiah,

963
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.480
<v Speaker 3>it's still prophecy of that same situation. And it says

964
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 3>all the hosts of heaven. What are the hosts of heaven?

965
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.119
<v Speaker 3>It's the army of angels. And I'm not telling you,

966
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.280
<v Speaker 3>guys that every single star is a angel. I'm just

967
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.400
<v Speaker 3>telling you I think that stars are a type of angel,

968
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:01.800
<v Speaker 3>like a d different sect of Angel, and they're doing

969
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:03.599
<v Speaker 3>a certain motion.

970
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:04.000
<v Speaker 4>In the sky.

971
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:08.599
<v Speaker 3>But then these wandering stars which are planets which we

972
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.880
<v Speaker 3>happen to just call different gods, and in the Book

973
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:15.119
<v Speaker 3>of Jude they're actually judged, so they are doing a

974
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.960
<v Speaker 3>different formation. So what are they doing. They are being

975
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:21.760
<v Speaker 3>disobedient to God and they're doing their own orbit if

976
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 3>you want to say that, or if you want to

977
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 3>say the their own motion. And that is probably why

978
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:30.239
<v Speaker 3>these different things are called, you know, you know, Saturn

979
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:33.039
<v Speaker 3>and Jupiter, and God warns this in the book of

980
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:36.440
<v Speaker 3>Uranibe don't worship the stars. And then also when you

981
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:40.280
<v Speaker 3>go to Aphesian six twelve, it says what that these

982
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.400
<v Speaker 3>dark are in our principalities of evil are in what

983
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 3>heavenly places or high places. So that's where the battles

984
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 3>are happening between Earth and heaven.

985
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:53.159
<v Speaker 2>And that's where That's what I was going to say,

986
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.960
<v Speaker 2>on earth as it is in heaven, because I like

987
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.039
<v Speaker 2>how you went with it, because I was just kind

988
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:00.679
<v Speaker 2>of looking at the physical and the scene in bology.

989
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.760
<v Speaker 2>But you always have mirrored images, you know, Earth and Heaven.

990
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:08.920
<v Speaker 2>When the Israelites are battling on Earth against their enemy,

991
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:12.599
<v Speaker 2>it says the angels in heaven are also battling. But

992
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:16.599
<v Speaker 2>I was looking at just from like the symbology and

993
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:20.079
<v Speaker 2>the physical side, because, like you said, it says in

994
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Ezekiel twenty eight, it's talking to Satan, says you were

995
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:27.400
<v Speaker 2>in the garden of God, perfect in all your ways,

996
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Speaker 2>to inequality was found in you. Every precious stone was

997
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:33.440
<v Speaker 2>you were covering. And at least you know Sardis barrel

998
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:37.760
<v Speaker 2>onyx topaz Jasper. It's according to what translation you read.

999
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:42.639
<v Speaker 2>The Maserratic texts lists nine stones, with the septuagen lists twelve.

1000
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.079
<v Speaker 2>And this is a carbon copy mirror image of the

1001
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.639
<v Speaker 2>priestly epod that God gave the commandments to Moses that

1002
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the priests were to wear. And then it even says

1003
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:57.840
<v Speaker 2>that this guy that's being addressed, who we believe to

1004
00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 2>be Satan. In Ezekiel twenty eight, it also says he

1005
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:06.280
<v Speaker 2>has a sanctuary, says you profaned your sanctuaries. So it's

1006
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:12.280
<v Speaker 2>painting this Nakash wearing a priestly robe, and he had

1007
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:16.760
<v Speaker 2>a sanctuary and he defiled it, and he was cast

1008
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:20.559
<v Speaker 2>from the mountain of God as a profane thing. So

1009
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, Michael Heiser broke down that word nakash, it

1010
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:27.440
<v Speaker 2>can mean serpent, but it can also mean the shining one,

1011
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.880
<v Speaker 2>the one who practices divination. So when you look at

1012
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 2>his garment that he was wearing, like you talked about

1013
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.280
<v Speaker 2>taking that p. One thousand camera, this garment that he

1014
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.960
<v Speaker 2>had on, he definitely would be a shining one. It

1015
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.920
<v Speaker 2>fits the description of his name. But I postulate in

1016
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:48.719
<v Speaker 2>the book that when he tried to deceive his younger

1017
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:55.280
<v Speaker 2>brother and basically get him in trouble, that the coverings

1018
00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:00.760
<v Speaker 2>given to Adam and Eve were the priestly garments of

1019
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:05.079
<v Speaker 2>the nakash. That he was demoted, stripped of his position,

1020
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:11.360
<v Speaker 2>kicked out of his sanctuary, and the symbol for kingship

1021
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and priesthood was then bestowed upon the younger brother, which

1022
00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:20.760
<v Speaker 2>is mankind. And all rabbis, when you read the rabbinic texts,

1023
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:26.320
<v Speaker 2>trace their beginnings of their priesthood and dominion back to Adam,

1024
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:28.079
<v Speaker 2>because the first thing he did when he come out

1025
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.880
<v Speaker 2>of the garden, he was, you know, given a blessing

1026
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:35.039
<v Speaker 2>to be fruitful and multiply, and he performed the rites

1027
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:38.239
<v Speaker 2>of a priest. First thing he done was he had

1028
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:44.000
<v Speaker 2>a sacrifice, and this garment was the birthright. You know,

1029
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.000
<v Speaker 2>some people refer to it as the the Order of

1030
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Malkisa dec this was the symbol. And I'm a Southern man,

1031
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:54.519
<v Speaker 2>so you know, I view things differently. But like in

1032
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:57.679
<v Speaker 2>the South, they have this thing. It's called like your

1033
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:01.719
<v Speaker 2>grandmother's quilted blanket. Great great great great great grandma has

1034
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:04.679
<v Speaker 2>this blanket she's sown and it's like a family heirloom

1035
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:07.480
<v Speaker 2>that gets passed to the eldest daughter. And that's what

1036
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:10.960
<v Speaker 2>this birthright was. And you go through Jashure, it traces it.

1037
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:13.920
<v Speaker 2>It's given to the favored line, you know, it goes

1038
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:18.280
<v Speaker 2>to Enoch, it goes to Matthuselah Noah Hazard and it

1039
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:21.000
<v Speaker 2>says that he has it on the boat bringing it

1040
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:24.880
<v Speaker 2>through the flood. And it says that in Ham's going out,

1041
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:28.119
<v Speaker 2>that Ham stole these garments and then gave them to Cush,

1042
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.519
<v Speaker 2>and Cush hid them, kept them in secret. And it

1043
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.320
<v Speaker 2>said that Nimrod was the son of his old age,

1044
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:39.960
<v Speaker 2>whom he loved exceedingly. The same kind of verbiage used

1045
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:44.119
<v Speaker 2>to describe Joseph, because it said Joseph was the child

1046
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:49.880
<v Speaker 2>of Jacob's old age, whom he loved exceedingly. And it says,

1047
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:52.719
<v Speaker 2>then he gives him these garments, and it says at

1048
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:56.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty years old, at the coming of age, Nimrod put

1049
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:59.760
<v Speaker 2>on these garments and he became a gibble rem.

1050
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:04.119
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and that's in the Book of Joshure right, yeah,

1051
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Speaker 3>part Yeah.

1052
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:06.320
<v Speaker 4>I was reading.

1053
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:10.159
<v Speaker 3>I was just like, man, that's that's how we're getting

1054
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:12.760
<v Speaker 3>these because okay, So one thing I think it's important

1055
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.679
<v Speaker 3>for audience to know from a context point of view

1056
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:20.800
<v Speaker 3>is I noticed that some pastors when they when they

1057
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.920
<v Speaker 3>read certain parts I sometimes they I would like them

1058
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.239
<v Speaker 3>to separate what they're what they're saying, because sometimes they

1059
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:29.000
<v Speaker 3>might have something they throw in there from like Joe

1060
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Ciphiz about the Tower of Babbel, and then a couple

1061
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:33.400
<v Speaker 3>other things, and then and then when you actually go

1062
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:36.360
<v Speaker 3>read the Bible yourself, you're like, oh, like I thought

1063
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.199
<v Speaker 3>it was all this stuff added on to it, you know,

1064
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:40.920
<v Speaker 3>but I think it's important. So yeah, So that's in

1065
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.719
<v Speaker 3>the Book of Jasher that that portion, and and doesn't

1066
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.039
<v Speaker 3>that add a whole bunch to what you just said

1067
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:49.719
<v Speaker 3>to to when you start going through And and also

1068
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.559
<v Speaker 3>what happened when Noah got off the arc. He also

1069
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.199
<v Speaker 3>did sacrifice, right, he did sacrifice as well. So it's

1070
00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:58.039
<v Speaker 3>almost like everything was already in place, and then when

1071
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:02.920
<v Speaker 3>the levitical line comes, then then God obviously downloaded exactly

1072
00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:04.599
<v Speaker 3>what he wanted them to do, but they were still

1073
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:08.320
<v Speaker 3>doing all that stuff before. So that's that's fascinating.

1074
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:13.079
<v Speaker 4>Nimrod is a direct line from Noah. Yeah, you know,

1075
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.599
<v Speaker 4>he's he's a don't know, a great grandson or great grandson.

1076
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:21.199
<v Speaker 4>But if yeah, if you're Nimrod, you know you have

1077
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:26.440
<v Speaker 4>direct knowledge of God. You have almost like you go

1078
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:28.760
<v Speaker 4>to your grandpa and you're like, hey, I don't know

1079
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:30.320
<v Speaker 4>if you ever read the story of Gilga Mash, I

1080
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:32.920
<v Speaker 4>don't know, I don't know, but it's similar to this

1081
00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:33.920
<v Speaker 4>this thing.

1082
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this guy goes I think it's the same story,

1083
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.960
<v Speaker 2>just told through a you know, a Mesopotamian Babylonian lens.

1084
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:42.960
<v Speaker 4>Yes, me too. And he was also a big dude,

1085
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.719
<v Speaker 4>and his brother was or I don't know his inky,

1086
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:49.679
<v Speaker 4>I don't know his name is. Yeah, he looked like

1087
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:51.400
<v Speaker 4>a Yeah, he looked like a he looked like a

1088
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:55.000
<v Speaker 4>beast dude. And and look what happens to nebe Canezer.

1089
00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:58.519
<v Speaker 4>What does God do to him? Sends them into the wilderness,

1090
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:03.199
<v Speaker 4>and becomes a east and and and that's that's crazy.

1091
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:05.880
<v Speaker 4>And did and Joseph got a garment too, right, he

1092
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:07.039
<v Speaker 4>got a multi colored garment.

1093
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1094
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I think it's the same garment.

1095
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:11.360
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it could be the same garment. And who knows,

1096
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:14.480
<v Speaker 4>maybe Lya's now is the same garment as fast down

1097
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:18.239
<v Speaker 4>and and and that's what you that's crazy, that's a

1098
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:18.760
<v Speaker 4>that's Ah.

1099
00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I talk about all that stuff in the book. And

1100
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:26.920
<v Speaker 2>what's crazy is I had ah give me just one second.

1101
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Gosh what I'm having a brain fart on his name.

1102
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:35.119
<v Speaker 2>It's you know, you talk to so many people you

1103
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:38.119
<v Speaker 2>forget stuff. But I had David Roll on the show,

1104
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:41.440
<v Speaker 2>and he is a you know, an egyptologist and historian.

1105
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.719
<v Speaker 2>When he was talking about the coat, you know, of

1106
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:51.679
<v Speaker 2>many colors this garment, and they've recently found archaeological evidence

1107
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:56.599
<v Speaker 2>to even collaborate, you know, the these biblical stories, because

1108
00:59:57.199 --> 01:00:01.960
<v Speaker 2>he said, the ancient city of of Varus is a

1109
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:05.559
<v Speaker 2>known semite, you know, which is a you know, the

1110
01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:11.239
<v Speaker 2>archaeological term for Jewish people, you know, and that they

1111
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:14.199
<v Speaker 2>had built this settlement in Egypt and at the center

1112
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:17.679
<v Speaker 2>of the town was this huge house that was for

1113
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:20.199
<v Speaker 2>like a high official and that there was even a

1114
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:26.320
<v Speaker 2>pyramid tomb, and only you know, government officials and people

1115
01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:29.719
<v Speaker 2>of high importance had these pyramid tombs. And it said

1116
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:34.000
<v Speaker 2>that when they excavated it that it was empty, but

1117
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:38.280
<v Speaker 2>they found shards and pieces of like this large statue,

1118
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and they started putting it together, and they said, the

1119
01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:45.400
<v Speaker 2>first thing they noticed is that it had yellow painted skin,

1120
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:48.880
<v Speaker 2>and it said, that was not an Egyptian thing. That

1121
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:53.119
<v Speaker 2>was a Semite thing. Semites painted their depictions their people

1122
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:56.239
<v Speaker 2>with yallow skin. That said. Then they got to the

1123
01:00:56.360 --> 01:01:01.400
<v Speaker 2>head and the head had flame red hair. You said,

1124
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:04.320
<v Speaker 2>that's not an Egyptian thing either, but that is a

1125
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:08.199
<v Speaker 2>semi thing. And it ties into it to Jacob and Joseph.

1126
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:12.880
<v Speaker 2>The red hair was a dominant gene. And then it says,

1127
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:16.840
<v Speaker 2>draped over the shoulder of this statue was a coat

1128
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:21.000
<v Speaker 2>of many colors, so that they believe in this ancient

1129
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:25.320
<v Speaker 2>city of Avarus they found the home and tomb of Joseph.

1130
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:28.840
<v Speaker 2>And then David said, and why was it empty? He said,

1131
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I had the book of yep Genesis. Next this tells

1132
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:36.440
<v Speaker 2>us that said, because when Moses went out, he gathered

1133
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:39.880
<v Speaker 2>the bones of Joseph. So it's just amazing.

1134
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:41.360
<v Speaker 5>It is.

1135
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:45.960
<v Speaker 3>That's very fascinating, and uh, everything just ties together, you know,

1136
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:55.119
<v Speaker 3>And who was there anybody between between Elijah and whoever

1137
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:57.320
<v Speaker 3>else had that mantle? Was there anybody in between there

1138
01:01:57.360 --> 01:01:59.079
<v Speaker 3>that you found that that had it as well? That

1139
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:02.199
<v Speaker 3>you that you can maybe think, because I mean from

1140
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:07.719
<v Speaker 3>Esau to Elijah, was there anybody in between there biblically

1141
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.039
<v Speaker 3>that you've found or that that had that as well?

1142
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:17.000
<v Speaker 2>No, not not biblically. Uh, you get these extra you know,

1143
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:20.920
<v Speaker 2>these little pieces here and there, and as far as

1144
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:24.400
<v Speaker 2>the Bible, there's a pretty big gap. I think we

1145
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:30.199
<v Speaker 2>see the garments in uh, the uncovering of Noah's nakedness,

1146
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:33.679
<v Speaker 2>because it says in there, you know, for the people

1147
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:37.800
<v Speaker 2>that don't know n I was taught that Ham just

1148
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.360
<v Speaker 2>walked in and his dad was drunk and passed out naked,

1149
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:43.599
<v Speaker 2>and he'd seen him and was cursed, or he might

1150
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:45.920
<v Speaker 2>have poked fun or maybe looked at him too long.

1151
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.519
<v Speaker 2>But when you get into levitic at seventeen, it says

1152
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:54.800
<v Speaker 2>to uncover thy father's nakedness is to sleep with thy

1153
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:58.519
<v Speaker 2>father's wife. And this was an act of rebellion in

1154
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:02.440
<v Speaker 2>the ancient world. Absolutely run David out. The first thing

1155
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.559
<v Speaker 2>he done, he pinched a tent on top of David's

1156
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:06.440
<v Speaker 2>house and went into all of his concubines in the

1157
01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:09.440
<v Speaker 2>side of all of Israel. Ruben slept with his father.

1158
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Guy that I was just going to see this was

1159
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.639
<v Speaker 2>an act of flexing on the old man back in

1160
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:19.800
<v Speaker 2>the day. So it's like ham wanted to take over

1161
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the family and either slept with his mother like they

1162
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:27.039
<v Speaker 2>were willing, or he raped her. We don't know, but

1163
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:29.719
<v Speaker 2>it just says that he uncovered his father's nakedness, and

1164
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:32.559
<v Speaker 2>with the context of Leviticus seventeen, that's he.

1165
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:33.000
<v Speaker 4>That's he.

1166
01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:34.039
<v Speaker 2>He laid with his mother.

1167
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, there's a whole line by this, and

1168
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:39.920
<v Speaker 4>just because you you know, joked about you being naked

1169
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:41.239
<v Speaker 4>them and.

1170
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:43.840
<v Speaker 2>The curse makes sense because you always get the opposite

1171
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:47.599
<v Speaker 2>of what you want. He wanted to be the ruler

1172
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:50.639
<v Speaker 2>and have everyone serve him, but no instead, a servant

1173
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:53.599
<v Speaker 2>to your brothers you shall be. And I even think

1174
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:57.159
<v Speaker 2>that Canaan because it says curse would be Canaan. Canaan

1175
01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:00.960
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even born yet if you follow chronologica. So it's

1176
01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:04.760
<v Speaker 2>like Noah realizes his wife's sporting a baby bump that's

1177
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:07.199
<v Speaker 2>not his. And they're going to name a Canaan and

1178
01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:10.400
<v Speaker 2>it's and he found out it's his son's kid. So

1179
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:13.400
<v Speaker 2>he said, cursed be Canaan, a servant to thy brothers,

1180
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:16.840
<v Speaker 2>that he shall be. He will serve Shem and Jacob.

1181
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:20.159
<v Speaker 2>And I was like Shem and Japos would be his uncles,

1182
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:22.920
<v Speaker 2>not his brothers. The only way they could be brothers

1183
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:26.280
<v Speaker 2>is if they had the same mother. So that the

1184
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:30.679
<v Speaker 2>beginning of the Canaanite race was an incestuous union. So

1185
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:34.840
<v Speaker 2>it was doomed from the beginning. Wow, in those garments,

1186
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:37.400
<v Speaker 2>it says he takes this garment. Remember it says they

1187
01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:41.519
<v Speaker 2>take a garment and walk backwards and cover their father's nakedness. Well,

1188
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:43.920
<v Speaker 2>when you go to the septuagen it doesn't say a garment,

1189
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:47.960
<v Speaker 2>It says the garment. So it has a definite article

1190
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:51.159
<v Speaker 2>assigned to it. And this was the symbol of kingship

1191
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:55.079
<v Speaker 2>and priesthood. He was trying to take the leadership role

1192
01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:57.760
<v Speaker 2>of the house. So how fitting, even theologically, would it

1193
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:01.639
<v Speaker 2>be that the eldest brother took the symbol of kingship

1194
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:05.159
<v Speaker 2>and priesthood and laid it back on his father.

1195
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:10.119
<v Speaker 3>And then also something I just came to my mind

1196
01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:13.760
<v Speaker 3>there was if it makes you a mighty man or

1197
01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:17.519
<v Speaker 3>or a giant. It's like there there's there's speculation on

1198
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:20.960
<v Speaker 3>how if there was a second incursion after the flood,

1199
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:24.280
<v Speaker 3>like what was it? And I'm not saying that it's

1200
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:27.960
<v Speaker 3>it's maybe maybe when you when you have that garment on,

1201
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:29.760
<v Speaker 3>maybe it makes you a mighty man.

1202
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:30.119
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1203
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.920
<v Speaker 3>I know it has to do with DNA, but there's

1204
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:35.840
<v Speaker 3>a second incursion somewhere or some way that that that

1205
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:40.320
<v Speaker 3>DNA came through the flood, right, some people say, you know,

1206
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:43.360
<v Speaker 3>and obviously they were in Atlantic Canaan, That's where the

1207
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:47.559
<v Speaker 3>giants were located. So I don't know, man, I'm maybe

1208
01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:49.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm going we're a little off off the rocker.

1209
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:55.000
<v Speaker 2>But you remember that movie, was it twenty fourteen?

1210
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:55.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

1211
01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, yeah. I thought that was so blasphemous, you know,

1212
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Stone Rock giants helping build the arc and all this stuff.

1213
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:06.599
<v Speaker 2>But there's some things in there, man, that they got right.

1214
01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:09.559
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't until now that when I read the

1215
01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:12.599
<v Speaker 2>ancient Jewish texts and stuff, and I'm like, whoever wrote

1216
01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:15.920
<v Speaker 2>this was taking a deep dive into the Book of

1217
01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Jasher the nine book series from Lewis Ginsburg, the Legends

1218
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:24.400
<v Speaker 2>of the Jews, and this person did their homework and

1219
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:26.880
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't until I found these things that I seen it,

1220
01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:29.039
<v Speaker 2>because it's like a hidden Easter egg in that film.

1221
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:34.280
<v Speaker 2>But the garments are in that film. The show starts off,

1222
01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:37.599
<v Speaker 2>it shows Adam and Eve in the gardens like these

1223
01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:40.519
<v Speaker 2>light beings holding hands, and then all of a sudden,

1224
01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:43.559
<v Speaker 2>it shows this snake and the snake opens its mouth

1225
01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and it sheds its skin, it sheds its coverings and

1226
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:53.719
<v Speaker 2>there it is. It's gold and shimmering and you know,

1227
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.239
<v Speaker 2>like diamonds. I mean, this thing was supernatural. And what

1228
01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:00.559
<v Speaker 2>happens Adam walked straight over to it and picks it

1229
01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:03.280
<v Speaker 2>up in the beginning of the film, and then later

1230
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:06.360
<v Speaker 2>we see that King Ogg wears it wrapped around his

1231
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:09.079
<v Speaker 2>arm like a bracelet, and it is the signet ring.

1232
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:12.400
<v Speaker 2>This is the crown. This shows everybody who's in charge.

1233
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:17.239
<v Speaker 2>And in that film, Ogg sneaks onto the boat. Ham

1234
01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:21.800
<v Speaker 2>discovers him, and Ham is like kind of like Gollum.

1235
01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:25.719
<v Speaker 2>He sees this shiny gold skin and he's obsessed with it.

1236
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:28.599
<v Speaker 2>If you remember, he just like when Ogg would be asleep,

1237
01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:31.400
<v Speaker 2>he would just stare at it and wanted to get it,

1238
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:33.599
<v Speaker 2>And at one point he even gets brave enough to

1239
01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:35.360
<v Speaker 2>try to steal it, and Dog wakes up and grabs

1240
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:38.960
<v Speaker 2>him by the throat and he says, this is for

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<v Speaker 2>a man, and you are not a man yet, and

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<v Speaker 2>then throws him down. And then later him and Noah.

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<v Speaker 2>Ogg and Noah get in a fight and Ham has

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<v Speaker 2>to pick aside. So Ham stabs Ogg in the back

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<v Speaker 2>and Og turns around and he's bleeding out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>bleeding out of his mouth, and he says, now you're

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<v Speaker 2>a man, and he hands him that snake skin.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And then in that movie it depicts Noah being drunk

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<v Speaker 2>and that Ham walks up and sees him, and you

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<v Speaker 2>remember it shows him throw something down and walk away.

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<v Speaker 2>He throws that bag that had that snake skin. So

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<v Speaker 2>he was in the film walking away from his birthright

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<v Speaker 2>and that signet. And the movie ends with Noah wrapping

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<v Speaker 2>that snake skin around his arm, and what does he say.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, this is the birthright given to Adam. We

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<v Speaker 2>are told to be fruitful and multiply and have dominion

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<v Speaker 2>over the earth, he said, And now I passed this

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<v Speaker 2>blessing to you, and the head of the serpent was

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<v Speaker 2>on his finger, and he takes it and he touches

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<v Speaker 2>those two newborn babies, and as he does, that snake

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01:08:56.359 --> 01:08:59.960
<v Speaker 2>skin just glows and lights up, and that's entering.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to rewatch it because obviously when I watch

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<v Speaker 3>it back then, I didn't have this, uh this viewpoint,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. Wow. Yeah, yeah, we went into a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of crazy stuff this show man, this is awesome, very interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>So wow, well I think we're we probably covered enough,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Uh, I think we covered enough and then

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<v Speaker 3>maybe until next time. But uh yeah, wow, very interesting stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So guys, please, yeah, if you could shout out your show,

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<v Speaker 3>is there anything else? I always ask everybody what else?

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<v Speaker 3>Is there anything else that you would like to to

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01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:32.840
<v Speaker 3>tell the audience? Obviously you don't want to give them

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01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:34.560
<v Speaker 3>too much because you know, obviously you want people to

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<v Speaker 3>purchase the book as well. Is there anything any last

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<v Speaker 3>words justin that you want to tell our audience and

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01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:41.840
<v Speaker 3>and and then obviously shout out everything you could shout

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<v Speaker 3>out to so they.

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<v Speaker 4>Can find you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, man, uh, I think that if you're into history

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01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:50.039
<v Speaker 2>and some of the things that we were talking about today, uh,

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01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:53.560
<v Speaker 2>you're going to really enjoy the book, and far as Esau,

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01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're going to find a better research

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01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:02.239
<v Speaker 2>book on the subject far as getting into the mindset

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<v Speaker 2>of the people of that time, because this was basically

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<v Speaker 2>my two year obsession. I read the nine book series

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01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:14.640
<v Speaker 2>of Lewis Ginsburg Legends of the Jews. I read all

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<v Speaker 2>the extra biblical books and really took the time and

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01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:23.800
<v Speaker 2>went through great minds like Gary Wayne and what they thought,

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01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and basically just took all these pieces from all these

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01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:31.119
<v Speaker 2>bright people and individuals and ancient stories and weave this

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01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:35.680
<v Speaker 2>narrative together. But had the Bible as my anchor. If

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01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:38.720
<v Speaker 2>it went with the Biblical text, didn't contradict the Biblical text,

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01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and it fit in perfectly parallel and answered questions that

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01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:44.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe the Bible had just kind of omitted or just

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01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:47.960
<v Speaker 2>assumed that the people at that time knew. I kept

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01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:50.079
<v Speaker 2>it and I added it, and I think that you

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01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:53.680
<v Speaker 2>can read it hand in hand and get a lot

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01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:56.840
<v Speaker 2>of questions answered, maybe even some questions you didn't even

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01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:00.600
<v Speaker 2>realize that you had. But I do speculate in the book,

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01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:03.880
<v Speaker 2>but I come right out and I say it. So

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<v Speaker 2>if I anything I talk about in the book is

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01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:10.479
<v Speaker 2>full of just Bible versus. I don't leave it for

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01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:13.840
<v Speaker 2>you to look it up on your own. If I

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01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:17.079
<v Speaker 2>mentioned something, boom already is word for word and what

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01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:21.640
<v Speaker 2>translation it is, and why I believe what I believe,

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01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:25.359
<v Speaker 2>And you might you might not agree with all my assessments.

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01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:27.560
<v Speaker 2>But but I come right out and tell you, hey,

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01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:31.399
<v Speaker 2>this is my opinion, this is my hypothesis, and here's

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01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:36.359
<v Speaker 2>the Biblical text to enforce why I believe what I believe.

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01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:39.000
<v Speaker 2>But so if you can, if you like a good

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01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:40.920
<v Speaker 2>mind stretch man, I think you enjoyed it. Check it out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I love that. That's exactly where to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Go ahead, Jason kind of found uh. I remember Chuck

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01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:51.920
<v Speaker 4>Misters said something about ramez. It's like, uh, we'll see

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01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:55.920
<v Speaker 4>the top layer of the of the of a of

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01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:00.600
<v Speaker 4>a river, but there's always that bottom that there's a

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01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:04.000
<v Speaker 4>bottom part that that means so much more. It's crazy.

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01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:06.399
<v Speaker 4>It's crazy, like you find this little special trinket and

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01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:08.640
<v Speaker 4>then you go with it and like you said, yeah,

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01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:11.720
<v Speaker 4>it's your opinion, but you're backing up with with with

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01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:16.119
<v Speaker 4>with fat, with facts and and and you're you're taking

1323
01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:19.199
<v Speaker 4>a lot of different people's knowledge and putting it together.

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01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:23.199
<v Speaker 4>And because Gary Wayne, Yeah, he's he goes through all

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01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:27.600
<v Speaker 4>of the the the genealogies of all that stuff and

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01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:29.640
<v Speaker 4>and you could take that to the bank and it's

1327
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:34.159
<v Speaker 4>like wow. And he's he's telling you like you're you're

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01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:37.000
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna go study this stuff. And it's and this

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01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:39.039
<v Speaker 4>is how I started becoming more of a believer and

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01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:41.760
<v Speaker 4>more believing that Bible is super real. It is because

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01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:43.840
<v Speaker 4>of this reason. Is because going into stuff that you're

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01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:49.000
<v Speaker 4>going into and going, oh man, dude, that's a that

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01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:51.399
<v Speaker 4>that makes a lot of sense, that makes a lot

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01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.439
<v Speaker 4>of sense. And maybe because I remember David. I think

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01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:59.840
<v Speaker 4>David torres sells garment. I mean, why is there always

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01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:02.279
<v Speaker 4>like a like a thing like that when you you

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01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:04.720
<v Speaker 4>you do something like that, it's always means like something

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01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:06.840
<v Speaker 4>like that's it's not good to do like you tear

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01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:09.560
<v Speaker 4>so because I think saw not a garment, but it

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01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:11.439
<v Speaker 4>did say that like you've been tearing of a garment.

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<v Speaker 4>Because when you came into the k or where he

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01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:16.159
<v Speaker 4>was sleeping and came in and let him know that

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01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:17.880
<v Speaker 4>he was actually could I could have killed you, but

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01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:20.960
<v Speaker 4>I didn't. But there there's I never seen any other

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01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:26.640
<v Speaker 4>thing in the Bible about about uh an actual garment.

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01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:29.840
<v Speaker 4>But I do see a lot of it where it's

1347
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:34.760
<v Speaker 4>talking about how you shed your your it's kind of

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01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:37.279
<v Speaker 4>even being you know, shedding the worldly things and shedding

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01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:41.520
<v Speaker 4>your your fleshley, your fleshly body and becoming a more

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01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:43.880
<v Speaker 4>spiritual person. You know, you're shedding that garment off you.

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01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:46.039
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't have to be a full cloak or something

1352
01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:47.680
<v Speaker 4>like you said, it's a little skin or whatever, like

1353
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:53.880
<v Speaker 4>a single it or and and uh, it makes you.

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01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:55.920
<v Speaker 4>It makes me. It makes me feel like I'm a

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01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:59.159
<v Speaker 4>like like I'm doing something good, Like I'm on the

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01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:02.680
<v Speaker 4>right track when I'm doing this stuff. So it's it's

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01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:04.960
<v Speaker 4>an amazing thing. And I appreciate you. And like I said,

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01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:06.960
<v Speaker 4>the cover of your book is sick. I was looking

1359
01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:09.079
<v Speaker 4>out last time. I think I'm gonna it's on like

1360
01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:11.399
<v Speaker 4>twenty bucks on Amazon. I think I'm gonna roll that

1361
01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:14.680
<v Speaker 4>and beat it. Check it out, because that's interesting, you know,

1362
01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:16.880
<v Speaker 4>because I like the bookie, you know, I like Joshure,

1363
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:18.840
<v Speaker 4>I like Jubilees.

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01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:18.600
<v Speaker 3>I like.

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<v Speaker 4>I like the Apocrypha because just because it's not in

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01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:26.960
<v Speaker 4>the Bible, it's written the same. All this stuff is

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01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:31.239
<v Speaker 4>like the language is the same, the the concept is

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01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:34.560
<v Speaker 4>the same. And I never read the Book of joshure Uh.

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01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:36.279
<v Speaker 4>I've heard of it, but I never I never really

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01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:38.560
<v Speaker 4>got into it. But not now that you you write

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01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:40.279
<v Speaker 4>up and go right into that and check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I have my Kaiser said it doesn't have to

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01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:46.239
<v Speaker 2>be divine inspired to be important for historal history and

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01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:50.319
<v Speaker 2>for cultural context. I use this analogy a lot because

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01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:52.720
<v Speaker 2>I think it makes a lot of sense to and

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01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:55.079
<v Speaker 2>for those people, because I mean, I know there are

1377
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Christians that say, you know, it's not in the Bible,

1378
01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:00.840
<v Speaker 2>you should throw it away, and so the day you know,

1379
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:02.880
<v Speaker 2>and things like that. So this is the kind of

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01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:06.880
<v Speaker 2>analogy that I use. I tell people, if we had

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<v Speaker 2>a scholar write a big old book, the Histories of America,

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01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.600
<v Speaker 2>and there was some kind of great cataclysm wiped out

1383
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:19.159
<v Speaker 2>our civilization, and then a thousand and two thousand years later,

1384
01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:23.560
<v Speaker 2>somebody comes over and starts digging, and they find this book,

1385
01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:29.319
<v Speaker 2>the Histories of America, and they keep digging, and close

1386
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:34.279
<v Speaker 2>to it, they find a Cosmopolitan magazine or a sports

1387
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:39.520
<v Speaker 2>illustrated magazine or you know whatever. I hope that they

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01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:42.600
<v Speaker 2>don't take the mindset of those type of Christians and

1389
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:46.039
<v Speaker 2>be like, it's not in the histories of America. Throw

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01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:49.439
<v Speaker 2>it away, burn it, we shouldn't read it. No, that

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01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:53.439
<v Speaker 2>might not be the histories of America, but there's gonna

1392
01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:57.000
<v Speaker 2>be all kinds of facts, knowledge and wisdom and perspective

1393
01:15:57.159 --> 01:15:59.920
<v Speaker 2>to be gained of our people how we live. Will

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01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:03.560
<v Speaker 2>we thought what we were doing, and they will probably

1395
01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:08.159
<v Speaker 2>feeling gaps that that histories of America didn't have. It

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01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:12.720
<v Speaker 2>will help you better understand that histories of America. And

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01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:14.960
<v Speaker 2>that's how I view these extra biblical texts.

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01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:18.520
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, also because I use it as a historical

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01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:24.039
<v Speaker 4>value because if the Bible's talking about it, you know,

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01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:26.399
<v Speaker 4>and they're and and and they took around to to

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01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:29.760
<v Speaker 4>to record this stuff because it looks sounds pretty important.

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01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:34.520
<v Speaker 4>And then you look at other books that are written

1403
01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:37.960
<v Speaker 4>at that time and there's talking about the same people

1404
01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:41.760
<v Speaker 4>in that are in power, uh the same uh historical

1405
01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:44.760
<v Speaker 4>historical lincoin, we line it up with the with the Bible.

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01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.800
<v Speaker 4>It lines right up. It's like, okay, well, maybe there's

1407
01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:50.079
<v Speaker 4>a reason why they maybe they wanted that out of

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01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:51.720
<v Speaker 4>the Bible, you know, maybe they didn't want it in

1409
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:54.920
<v Speaker 4>there because it was tied everything together. You know, there's

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01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:57.960
<v Speaker 4>there's certain things like that's always wondered, like everyone's always says,

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01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:01.279
<v Speaker 4>why did Why isn't the giants talk about more throughout

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01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.720
<v Speaker 4>the Bible? I was like, well, you gotta understand this

1413
01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:07.079
<v Speaker 4>is written back then. They already knew about them, they

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01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:09.439
<v Speaker 4>knew exactly what they were, and they did not want

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01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:11.840
<v Speaker 4>any business with it, and and and it says in there,

1416
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:14.720
<v Speaker 4>don't don't get too don't get too caught up and

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01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:17.640
<v Speaker 4>all that stuff. I mean, it's good to it's good

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01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:21.640
<v Speaker 4>to help fortify your your your your faith because you're like, dang,

1419
01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:24.479
<v Speaker 4>this is this is actually, this is this is real.

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01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:28.039
<v Speaker 4>You know, like this stuff was actually going on, and

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01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:32.000
<v Speaker 4>but it's it's it's also important not to give it

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01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:36.039
<v Speaker 4>too too much of your how you would say, like

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01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:38.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, like when you when you give too much

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01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:40.319
<v Speaker 4>homage to something like I don't think God wants you

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01:17:40.399 --> 01:17:44.600
<v Speaker 4>to be you know. That's why it's like when you yes,

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01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:45.840
<v Speaker 4>or like you said, like you did look up and

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01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:47.960
<v Speaker 4>go oh look at Saturn or look at You're looking

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01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:50.119
<v Speaker 4>up and you're saying, oh, look at uh Neptune, look

1429
01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:53.760
<v Speaker 4>at this and stuff. You're mentioning a god's name and

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01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:56.800
<v Speaker 4>you're and you're you're giving it like it's it's actually

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01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:58.800
<v Speaker 4>like that's that's what it is. It's like I don't

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01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:01.039
<v Speaker 4>think God wants you to do that, Like okay, there

1433
01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:05.279
<v Speaker 4>wasn't net fhlim, there was this, there was that, And

1434
01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:08.760
<v Speaker 4>some people that's what gets them intrigued, like Okay, what

1435
01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:10.359
<v Speaker 4>does this mean? I gotta find out what that is?

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01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:11.920
<v Speaker 4>And that's how it got me started to li like

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01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:14.199
<v Speaker 4>in the Bible. And that's and and it opened my

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01:18:14.359 --> 01:18:16.520
<v Speaker 4>ears and my eyes up to so much more different

1439
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:18.920
<v Speaker 4>things in the Bible because you get to judges and

1440
01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:21.880
<v Speaker 4>kings and like all that stuff in the Old Testament.

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01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:24.479
<v Speaker 4>You're like, man, dude, like other people don't like to

1442
01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:26.279
<v Speaker 4>read this stuff because they think is so boring. But

1443
01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:28.039
<v Speaker 4>when you go through judges, like all these guys are

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01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:31.479
<v Speaker 4>like comic book heroes that God gave you know, special

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01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:35.840
<v Speaker 4>power zoo to to basically you know, go do their

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01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:40.159
<v Speaker 4>go do his bidding. But it's it's it's it's just

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01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:42.760
<v Speaker 4>it's just it's just crazy to me. That's what it

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01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:45.000
<v Speaker 4>makes me excited to read the Bible. I mean, if

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01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:48.159
<v Speaker 4>you made a movie about something like this, or you know,

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01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:50.239
<v Speaker 4>and and did a really good job of it. You

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01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:51.880
<v Speaker 4>might you could probably bring a whole bunch of people

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01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:54.279
<v Speaker 4>and be like, oh, man, I didn't know that about

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01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:56.199
<v Speaker 4>the Bible. I didn't think about that in the Bible.

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01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:59.279
<v Speaker 4>And that's also very good. And and that's I think

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01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:01.079
<v Speaker 4>you're you're doing good job with that. You because I

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01:19:01.159 --> 01:19:03.760
<v Speaker 4>saw some of your comments comments about your book and stuff.

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01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:05.279
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of people liked it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and and uh, I think it's maybe maybe the

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01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.520
<v Speaker 3>reason why some of this stuff is hidden. There's an

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01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:16.000
<v Speaker 3>agenda behind it, because obviously we are three witnesses of God,

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01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:18.840
<v Speaker 3>we're three vessels used by God, and we are aware

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01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:21.760
<v Speaker 3>of this stuff and look at it kind of lights

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01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:24.159
<v Speaker 3>a fire up under you. And it kind of just

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01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:28.079
<v Speaker 3>like I think with a lot of the stuff we learn, obviously,

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01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:30.119
<v Speaker 3>it lights a fire. And then and then you start

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01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:33.039
<v Speaker 3>unraveling things that that are that are that make the

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01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:36.640
<v Speaker 3>Bible come alive more. Does the devil want that? No,

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01:19:37.239 --> 01:19:40.479
<v Speaker 3>he wants he wants to separate you from everything in

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01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:43.159
<v Speaker 3>the Book of Genesis and all this stuff. And obviously

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01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:45.039
<v Speaker 3>we see in school they have all this stuff that

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01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:47.439
<v Speaker 3>that's going to separate you from that block walls between

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01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:51.680
<v Speaker 3>you and even the creation and even evolution and even

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01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:53.720
<v Speaker 3>big Bang. It's separating you from even the very first

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01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:56.399
<v Speaker 3>pages of the Bible, you know, So I do think

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01:19:56.520 --> 01:19:59.840
<v Speaker 3>that I think it's that's probably what's happening. But yeah,

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01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:02.960
<v Speaker 3>what an awesome episode. I really appreciate you coming on

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01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:05.560
<v Speaker 3>and go ahead, Jason, what's up?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I was gonna say, because if you think about

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01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:11.079
<v Speaker 4>like the like the stories of these uh like Greek

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01:20:11.119 --> 01:20:13.439
<v Speaker 4>gods and stories of like Hercules and stuff like that

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01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:17.439
<v Speaker 4>they go through. That stuff gives to people it's interesting.

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01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:19.960
<v Speaker 4>They watch it. It's it's been going off. They've been

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01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:22.119
<v Speaker 4>listening stories for years and years and years and years

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01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:25.239
<v Speaker 4>and years because it gives them that little fantasy or whatever.

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01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:28.520
<v Speaker 4>I think and think like, wow, man, what if this stuff?

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01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:32.520
<v Speaker 4>What if what if Zeus was real? What if uh,

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01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:35.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, Thoria was real? What are these these people?

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01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:39.199
<v Speaker 4>That's just this is crazy. Those stories, those stories passed

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01:20:39.239 --> 01:20:46.319
<v Speaker 4>down for generations and you just took a hold. And

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01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:49.159
<v Speaker 4>if you believe in that stuff, you don't believe, you're

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01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:52.279
<v Speaker 4>not you're not worshiping God. You know that that's kind

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01:20:52.279 --> 01:20:55.319
<v Speaker 4>of takes you away from it. And that's what for me.

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01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:58.159
<v Speaker 4>If you're gonna if you're gonna if you can get

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01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:02.640
<v Speaker 4>somebody's you know, heart going and and mind going and

1495
01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:05.520
<v Speaker 4>and and wanting to research the Bible and actually, you know,

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01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.640
<v Speaker 4>believe it and start become a believer out of it.

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01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:11.239
<v Speaker 4>I think you're gonna make a lot of believers out

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01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:13.680
<v Speaker 4>of out of out of these stories, out of this,

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01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:15.960
<v Speaker 4>out of this Bible. If people made a lot more movies,

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01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:18.479
<v Speaker 4>a lot more things out like that to bring you know,

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01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:21.000
<v Speaker 4>these these kids nowadays, they don't want to go to

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01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:22.960
<v Speaker 4>church and read these books. I mean I didn't want

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01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:24.479
<v Speaker 4>to do it. On as a kid. I was like, man, Dad,

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01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:28.720
<v Speaker 4>why the why are you making me read Joseph Begat

1505
01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:32.079
<v Speaker 4>this and and this guy? I don't care about that stuff, dude,

1506
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:35.000
<v Speaker 4>It's stupid. And then when you get older, you're like, oh, dude,

1507
01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:38.880
<v Speaker 4>there's there's there's a there's a there's a mystery and

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01:21:39.119 --> 01:21:41.640
<v Speaker 4>to unlock in the genealogies and and just even the

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01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:45.479
<v Speaker 4>differences between Matthew's genealogy and Luke's genealogy of Jesus. Mark

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01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:47.640
<v Speaker 4>didn't have a genealogy because it was his version of

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01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:49.960
<v Speaker 4>a serpent servant, But there's other parts of it like

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01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:52.119
<v Speaker 4>why did he why did he go this way in

1513
01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:56.960
<v Speaker 4>this route? Why did he go? Why was uh? Why

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01:21:57.039 --> 01:21:59.680
<v Speaker 4>do you take this route through this person's lineage? And

1515
01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:01.520
<v Speaker 4>it's like wow. Then you go back to Jeremiah, you

1516
01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:03.119
<v Speaker 4>find it already, go back somewhere else and find it.

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01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:06.960
<v Speaker 4>You're like, oh wow, that's uh, it's pretty significant because

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01:22:07.119 --> 01:22:09.319
<v Speaker 4>to get the Messiah you have a lot of stuff

1519
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:13.720
<v Speaker 4>going on that that is very wrong, sinful, things like

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01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:18.640
<v Speaker 4>Judah with with with with tam tam nard uh came

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01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:22.720
<v Speaker 4>through and that is also a prophecy in the and

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01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:26.239
<v Speaker 4>it says the tenth generation will be the one that

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01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:29.600
<v Speaker 4>will get uh, you know, be blessed and and and

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01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:36.199
<v Speaker 4>and David comes ten generations after after Frez And that's

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01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:38.720
<v Speaker 4>how crazy that stuff is, dude, And like, how do

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01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:41.560
<v Speaker 4>you get how do you get these these people? Like

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01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:45.359
<v Speaker 4>so it's so like it's God's like, don't mess with

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01:22:45.399 --> 01:22:47.199
<v Speaker 4>this person, stay away from that person, don't it. But

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01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.800
<v Speaker 4>they come together and it makes something really great and

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01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.640
<v Speaker 4>that's and that's that's awesome. I think that's that's awesome.

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01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:56.319
<v Speaker 4>That's how God works. He's like, I'll take the crappiest

1532
01:22:56.319 --> 01:22:59.079
<v Speaker 4>stuff script and I'll make it make it into uh

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01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:01.640
<v Speaker 4>into something really great, really great.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, all right, so I looked justin I can

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01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:06.399
<v Speaker 3>tell that you got something going. I also my my

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01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:10.720
<v Speaker 3>my house's wakes off as well. That's all look so

1537
01:23:11.399 --> 01:23:14.800
<v Speaker 3>well perfect, all right. So yeah, so shout out your

1538
01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:19.119
<v Speaker 3>shout out your YouTube, shout out your Instagram, and then uh,

1539
01:23:19.239 --> 01:23:21.119
<v Speaker 3>and then also where they could find your book and

1540
01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:23.039
<v Speaker 3>then email me a link to your book as soon

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01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:24.359
<v Speaker 3>as we get off your here, so I could I

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01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:26.920
<v Speaker 3>can put it in those show notes and then okay.

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01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and in prayer. Yeah, just uh yeah, man, check

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01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:33.920
<v Speaker 2>us out. Uh kind of coined the my show that

1545
01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:37.039
<v Speaker 2>the hero's journey you got you gotta go into the unknown,

1546
01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:41.279
<v Speaker 2>slay the dragon, rescue the damsel'll hoard up some treasure,

1547
01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:43.680
<v Speaker 2>and then come out on the other end as a hero.

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01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:47.000
<v Speaker 2>But he your journey's not over yet, because all great journeys,

1549
01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:49.319
<v Speaker 2>when you get this prize of great wealth, you have

1550
01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:53.680
<v Speaker 2>to turn around and come back to humanity and bless

1551
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:56.800
<v Speaker 2>humanity with this prize of great wealth that you've earned,

1552
01:23:56.840 --> 01:24:00.880
<v Speaker 2>and symbolically, allegorically that is the fire right. And you

1553
01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:03.880
<v Speaker 2>come back and you give that prize of great wealth

1554
01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:07.000
<v Speaker 2>to someone else and you start them on their heroes journey,

1555
01:24:07.119 --> 01:24:11.479
<v Speaker 2>So come join us on the hero's journey. I'm on YouTube, Spotify, Apple,

1556
01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:14.760
<v Speaker 2>anywhere you can consume content. Same thing with the social

1557
01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:18.239
<v Speaker 2>media is just search up prometheous Lyn's podcast. I'm pretty active.

1558
01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I usually put up sometimes two to three reels a day,

1559
01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:25.279
<v Speaker 2>so lots of little knowledge nuggets and entertainment infotainment. I

1560
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:29.199
<v Speaker 2>like to call it for you and the books on Amazon.

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01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:32.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, where are you from? Dude? Where do you? Where

1562
01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:34.319
<v Speaker 4>do you live at Texas or something?

1563
01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:35.399
<v Speaker 3>Or No.

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01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm a heel billy man. I'm from the apple Latchian

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01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:39.880
<v Speaker 2>heels at East Tennessee.

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01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:43.760
<v Speaker 4>Oh right on, man, right on. My family our family

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01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:47.399
<v Speaker 4>is from Kentucky, so oh yeah, you get me out

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01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:48.880
<v Speaker 4>there when I go over there. When I when I

1569
01:24:48.920 --> 01:24:51.520
<v Speaker 4>go over with them, instantly I start talking that way.

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01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:55.520
<v Speaker 4>It's weird. It's like it just comes right in. I'm like, hey,

1571
01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:57.720
<v Speaker 4>how you doing. It's like what did you say? I

1572
01:24:57.760 --> 01:24:59.079
<v Speaker 4>come back, like, why are you talking like that? I

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01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:01.439
<v Speaker 4>was like, it's been out a holmuch from my family members,

1574
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:04.800
<v Speaker 4>And it's cool. It sounds it's like cool ass slang

1575
01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:05.279
<v Speaker 4>talk man.

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01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:05.840
<v Speaker 3>I like that.

1577
01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:06.239
<v Speaker 4>It's like.

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01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:09.520
<v Speaker 2>You got a twying.

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01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:13.960
<v Speaker 3>All right, all right, so yes, thank you so much. Man.

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01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:16.039
<v Speaker 3>My kids are about to come downstairs and it's gonna

1581
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:18.560
<v Speaker 3>and it's gonna be allowed. So all right, So what

1582
01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:21.199
<v Speaker 3>we always do, we're gonna end this in prayer, so

1583
01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:24.359
<v Speaker 3>let's do that. So Father God in the name of Jesus, H.

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01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:26.399
<v Speaker 3>We appreciate everything you do for us. Thank you so

1585
01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:29.239
<v Speaker 3>much for this glorious time. And God, there's so much

1586
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:32.119
<v Speaker 3>to unpack on what we just talked about, and we

1587
01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:35.439
<v Speaker 3>appreciate you giving this these uh, these breadcrumbs for us

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01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:35.920
<v Speaker 3>to follow.

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<v Speaker 5>Lord.

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01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:39.399
<v Speaker 3>And and I just asked that anybody that's listening that

1591
01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:42.439
<v Speaker 3>maybe has any questions, you know, help them to dig

1592
01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:44.560
<v Speaker 3>into the word like like we're trying to do. Lord,

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01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:47.840
<v Speaker 3>And we appreciate you using us as vessels, uh and

1594
01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:50.520
<v Speaker 3>trusting us with with your flock, you know, to be

1595
01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:52.800
<v Speaker 3>able to teach stuff like this. So I just pray

1596
01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:56.720
<v Speaker 3>that you you bless uh Justin's book and and you

1597
01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:58.760
<v Speaker 3>assist him and to get in on as much shows

1598
01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:01.399
<v Speaker 3>as possible so that people can And what he's trying

1599
01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:03.960
<v Speaker 3>to do is just open up people's mind and to

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01:26:04.439 --> 01:26:07.159
<v Speaker 3>things like we were talking about and bring the Bible alive.

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01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:08.880
<v Speaker 3>Even though you don't need us to do that, Lord,

1602
01:26:09.239 --> 01:26:12.680
<v Speaker 3>but just to trust us with that is just so awesome.

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01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:13.319
<v Speaker 3>We appreciate it.

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01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:13.600
<v Speaker 4>Lord.

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01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Anybody that's listening that has any issues going on, any strongholds, Lord,

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01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:19.399
<v Speaker 3>like I always ask if you could just break the

1607
01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:21.039
<v Speaker 3>chains and assist them.

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01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:21.560
<v Speaker 4>In their life.

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01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Lord, they need that, So thank you so much for

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01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:25.920
<v Speaker 3>everything you do for us. We appreciate you, Lord, and

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01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:30.039
<v Speaker 3>Jesus name Amen. So all right Lord Lord, all right, Bro,

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01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:32.079
<v Speaker 3>thank you so much for coming on. And Jason, thank you,

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01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:35.840
<v Speaker 3>and everybody that's listening. Follow us on YouTube at Josh

1614
01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:39.680
<v Speaker 3>Monday Music and podcast. Follow us on all platforms Josh

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01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Monday Christian Conspiracy Podcasts. Also, I have two shows I

1616
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.359
<v Speaker 3>got Wednesday Service and Sunday Service. Check it out on

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01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:48.319
<v Speaker 3>Culting Conspiracy Conspiracy Podcast. Thank you guys so much. We

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01:26:48.399 --> 01:27:25.640
<v Speaker 3>appreciate you, and God blessing