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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Josson Jasonbody Christian conspiracy Podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm your host, Josh Money. If you don't know me,
Speaker 3: I'm a Christian rapper, devoted husband, father, and army veteran,
Speaker 3: and I like you to do some of my co hosts.
Speaker 3: He's a Christian devoter, husband and father. What's up, Jason?
Speaker 4: We like I haven't been on here a long time dude,
Speaker 4: But what's up?
Speaker 3: I know because I was about to say Sunday service,
Speaker 3: Wednesday service, all this other stuff will do it. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I was like, just hoot, no, man, I've just uh
Speaker 3: had a lot of stuff going on. But yeah, finally, man,
Speaker 3: I get to have this gentleman on the show. I've
Speaker 3: been seeing a lot of his stuff and like I said,
Speaker 3: I was telling him earlier, I have friends sending me
Speaker 3: sending me his shows to get him on. And now
Speaker 3: he has a book out, so justin Brown from Prometheus
Speaker 3: Lens and also can get can you is it the
Speaker 3: what is the other one? The dig right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dig Bible podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's go cool man. Yeah, I heard about
Speaker 3: you guys a long time ago, and uh and and
Speaker 3: your new stuff, so go ahead, and uh you could
Speaker 3: shout out your how they could get a hold of
Speaker 3: you and how they could see your stuff, and then
Speaker 3: also your new book. Man, you have it right there,
Speaker 3: if you could just show it to people so they
Speaker 3: could see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, uh, yeah, thank you for having me. Like
Speaker 2: you said, we kind of running the same circles and
Speaker 2: it's it's crazy how you can loop around with your
Speaker 2: guests and friends and shows and and be right there
Speaker 2: in that little circle of people but never really at
Speaker 2: the time and ride the connects. So I'm glad we
Speaker 2: could finally do that because I've been seeing you stuff
Speaker 2: and watching you stuff for probably about those two years now,
Speaker 2: So it's cool to connect and I appreciate you having
Speaker 2: me on the show. But yeah, my show, Prometheus Lens
Speaker 2: and the dig Bible podcast Prometheus Lens is kind of
Speaker 2: like just a solo project. I go through everything from
Speaker 2: Jesus to Aliens, to conspiracy theories, Nephelin giants, all those
Speaker 2: cool rabbit trails, Bigfoot, but I view them all through
Speaker 2: a biblical lens. And the dig Bible podcast has just
Speaker 2: been a group of buddies and we dig through the
Speaker 2: Bible and the cool and weird and fringy stuff for
Speaker 2: the Bible. But anywhere you can consume content, you can
Speaker 2: find that stuff. YouTube, Apple, Spotify, all the social media's.
Speaker 2: Just search up the names of the shows. You can
Speaker 2: find us there. But yeah, man, I just finished my
Speaker 2: first book and it's called The Epic of Esau, The
Speaker 2: birth Right and Seed War. So I had to get
Speaker 2: the red lentlel stew on the table and this bigfoot
Speaker 2: sasquatch looking guy, yoked out, walking away with a bow
Speaker 2: on his back. But yeah, you can get this on Amazon.
Speaker 2: It's on ebook and paperback. So yeah, being a wild
Speaker 2: hell young man from East Tennessee and in and out
Speaker 2: of jail and drugs and all the all the stuff. Man,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a typical story. But I never thought
Speaker 2: writing a book would be on my to do list
Speaker 2: for life. But you know, you say yes and step out.
Speaker 2: God takes care of the rest man.
Speaker 3: Yes, amen, Well, what a what an interesting character to
Speaker 3: h to write a book about. Because when you're reading
Speaker 3: the Bible, just just strictly the Bible, there's some there's
Speaker 3: some interesting things mentioned about him that points to you
Speaker 3: to different directions. So what what was it out of
Speaker 3: the just just straight from the Bible first before we
Speaker 3: dig into extra biblical text that made you just go,
Speaker 3: you know what, this is somebody I would like to
Speaker 3: concentrate on, because they're giving us hints here of something
Speaker 3: that's more interesting than than than we're getting getting fed.
Speaker 3: Just from the Book of Genesis. What was it that
Speaker 3: kind of stood out to you?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean at first, I mean it wasn't until
Speaker 2: I had like a perception change. I got a new
Speaker 2: set of glasses to read this book. You know, doctor
Speaker 2: Michael Heiser, did he hit that reset button for me?
Speaker 2: You know, to put the step into the ancient mindset
Speaker 2: of the people that wrote the Bible and who the
Speaker 2: Bible was written to, you know, to properly understand it.
Speaker 2: But just the birth, the birth alone, it's strange to
Speaker 2: say the least. You know, Genesis twenty five. Twenty five
Speaker 2: says that he came out red, covered in hair from
Speaker 2: head to toe like a Harry cloak. And I read
Speaker 2: over it just you know, as a kid or a
Speaker 2: young adult, and I was like, okay, you know, my preacher,
Speaker 2: if they did touch on it, it was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know he was had Harry arms or a good
Speaker 2: full beard, you know he was. He was just kind
Speaker 2: of You're like, you're Harry uncle.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It goes to the beach, takes his shirt off and
Speaker 2: he's got a little bit of a wool shared underneath.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that immediately kind of stood out to me. But
Speaker 2: another thing was the trading of the birthright. I thought
Speaker 2: that that was just so strange and didn't make any
Speaker 2: sense whatsoever. It's you know, I tell people it's kind
Speaker 2: of like the modern context. Your father is Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: and you're set to inherit the billions of dollars, the
Speaker 2: family business. The keys to the kingdom are yours, and
Speaker 2: you just come in one day tired from dealing in
Speaker 2: real estate and trade everything for a bag of Dorito's
Speaker 2: from your brother. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So
Speaker 2: I was just saying to myself, there has to be
Speaker 2: something missing from this story. So like Genesis six, you know,
Speaker 2: there's this little blurb and we're like, whoa, whoa, there
Speaker 2: has to be more to this story. And once you
Speaker 2: get to dig and go through some of these extra
Speaker 2: biblical books and stuff, that's where you find all the
Speaker 2: connective tissue.
Speaker 3: Yes, hey, man, I totally get it. Man, and even me,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm going through uh. I went through Genesis
Speaker 3: and Exodus, Leviticus. Afe not not all the way through Leviticus,
Speaker 3: but just just when you're just concentrating on portions and
Speaker 3: just studying and studying studying, then this this portion stood
Speaker 3: out to me too, you know, And I definitely had
Speaker 3: questions after after studying it, and then I'm thinking, next
Speaker 3: time I come around, I'll study more and deeper. But
Speaker 3: this is a perfect time for me to have you
Speaker 3: on the show because on Josh Monday, Christian Conspiracy pasta
Speaker 3: I'm just our podcast, I'm just about to release that, uh,
Speaker 3: that portion of of scripture. So it's gonna this is
Speaker 3: gonna end up lining up perfect, you know, for for
Speaker 3: you to kind of fill in the blakes. So yeah,
Speaker 3: so now so we have that portion. Uh you know,
Speaker 3: he's a what's a few of the of the of
Speaker 3: the bullet points that you got just from the Bible?
Speaker 3: Why is that? Okay if you name those, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you have them off the probably have them
Speaker 3: off the top of your head. Obviously wrote the book,
Speaker 3: but a few bullet points on Esau biblically, should we
Speaker 3: go through some of those just so people understand some
Speaker 3: of the attributes of him that did kind of that
Speaker 3: kind of points you towards maybe what your book is saying,
Speaker 3: you know, the giant portion or strong men or or
Speaker 3: anything like that. Maybe we could point out those first
Speaker 3: and then then you can maybe give them the extra
Speaker 3: biblical text portion of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just as far as the Bible. I mean I
Speaker 2: even said it, like in the description on the back
Speaker 2: of the book. He's one of the most enigmatic characters
Speaker 2: of the Bible because you just have little blurbs and
Speaker 2: bits and pieces about him. But if you just restricted
Speaker 2: yourself to the Bible, it's definitely something that is hinting
Speaker 2: toward missing context. There's something these people that were reading
Speaker 2: this and the people of this time knew that we
Speaker 2: are just we're missing and you can see that cook
Speaker 2: because kind of how they talk about in the Bible
Speaker 2: about this guy, it's like, you know, you're supposed to
Speaker 2: assume and you're supposed to already know why God hated Esau,
Speaker 2: you know, and things like that. So it's like you
Speaker 2: have the birth come out red, covering hair from head
Speaker 2: to toe like a Harry Cloak. I thought it was
Speaker 2: just fascinating how the writer threw in, you know, all
Speaker 2: the detail of the birth that you know, basically his
Speaker 2: foot was pushing on Jacob's head and Jacob was clutching
Speaker 2: his heel. So it's almost kind of like a snapshot
Speaker 2: of Genesis three point fifteen there, and it's not far
Speaker 2: from the telling of that dragon slayer prophecy is, you know,
Speaker 2: as Timothy Albarino likes to call it. So you kind
Speaker 2: of have that law of first mentioned rule going on
Speaker 2: there with biblical scholars talking about how they use imagery
Speaker 2: and words to point back, you know, to certain events,
Speaker 2: and he, you know, trades his burst right and that
Speaker 2: to me, like I said earlier, just didn't make no sense.
Speaker 2: And then you have the people like some of my
Speaker 2: pastors and stuff growing up. You know, Oh, he was
Speaker 2: just a very carnal man. Uh, he cared, He let
Speaker 2: the desires of the flesh rule him. He was just
Speaker 2: hungry and that's all he was concerned about. So he
Speaker 2: just traded away the birth right. And then oh he
Speaker 2: was just hairy like your uncle. You know, he just
Speaker 2: had a good, good beard. But the problem is is
Speaker 2: the context. I mean, when you go on and he
Speaker 2: tries to get the blessing from his father Isaac, you know,
Speaker 2: Rebecca has to kill a goat, take the skin of
Speaker 2: the goat and wrap it around Jacob to fool his
Speaker 2: blind father. So I mean, this wasn't hyperbole, that, this
Speaker 2: wasn't poetic language. No Esau was literally so hairy that
Speaker 2: he felt like a goat.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: And if you've ever failed a goat's fur, man, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's thick, it's coarse and it's oily, you know. I
Speaker 2: say it kind of jokingly because it just I mean,
Speaker 2: you have to because it sounds so crazy, But I
Speaker 2: mean it's it's the truth. If you let scripture say
Speaker 2: what it says, and you've seen a character described as
Speaker 2: Esau is described without hesitation, you would say, I just
Speaker 2: seen a bigfoot. I seen a sasquatch.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the thing that I think is interesting is
Speaker 3: the Book of Genesis. Obviously Moses was not alive during
Speaker 3: the Book of Genesis, so this portion is a first
Speaker 3: hand account from God giving it to Moses.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So that's I think that that we can valid Like
Speaker 3: I always tell people, I could validate the Book of
Speaker 3: Moses so much just by going to Numbers versus numbers twelve,
Speaker 3: verses four through eight, where God is saying that he
Speaker 3: speaks to Moses face to face or mouth the mouth, right,
Speaker 3: And then you go to the Book of Exodus and
Speaker 3: it's talking about God speaking to Moses just like he
Speaker 3: speaks to a friend. So this downloaded information to Moses.
Speaker 3: It can't be taken the way some of these scholars
Speaker 3: or biblical you know, theologians try to try to say.
Speaker 3: You know, some of it's allegorical. Like for me, I
Speaker 3: just take it like you are saying. I'm taking it
Speaker 3: like God is downloading this information to Moses. And why
Speaker 3: is he saying to Moses these certain things? Right, So
Speaker 3: they're obviously important to giving these bullet points on est Also,
Speaker 3: as Justin's going through what he's going through, I just
Speaker 3: want you guys to look at it through the view
Speaker 3: of First of all, God cannot lie. It's impossible for
Speaker 3: God to lie. Everything that that Justin is saying is coming.
Speaker 3: It's a download from the most High to Moses. So
Speaker 3: it is especially the biblical portion of this is information
Speaker 3: that we should we should look at it through that lens. Also,
Speaker 3: do not add to the word of God Proverbs thirty
Speaker 3: verse five, because because God's word is pure, right, So
Speaker 3: so what he's saying is is exactly what God was
Speaker 3: saying about you saw, And we don't add to the
Speaker 3: word of God where some people try to do, you know,
Speaker 3: and like this is just allegorical, this is just poetic language. No,
Speaker 3: this is God is saying this for a reason. There's
Speaker 3: bullet points on this, gentleman, for a reason. So yeah,
Speaker 3: go ahead and continue.
Speaker 2: Sorry man, Yeah, And then you taught, it goes on
Speaker 2: and it follows his genealogy and basically after you know,
Speaker 2: he's quote unquote screwed out of his verse, right, that's
Speaker 2: when he goes into full rebellion and he takes not one,
Speaker 2: not two, but three wives, and two of them were
Speaker 2: from the Canaanites, which they were prohibited to do and
Speaker 2: God commanded him not to do. And when you go
Speaker 2: through there and you read, you know, it gives the names,
Speaker 2: it gives the in laws, the authors, and uh, thanks
Speaker 2: to the great work of people like Gary Wayne, you
Speaker 2: can go through Deuteronomy in numbers in these books and
Speaker 2: trace some of these Nephilim giant genealogies. And that's exactly
Speaker 2: who these two girls were. And right, one of them
Speaker 2: was the hit Tide and whole rights. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: even Gary says in his book, you know, it's a
Speaker 2: high probability because these were high chiefs, their fathers, so
Speaker 2: these were like giant you know, it's a high likelihood.
Speaker 2: We don't know, but they could have been giantesses. You know,
Speaker 2: they were definitely ben giant clans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 2: so I was like, you have this hairy you know,
Speaker 2: quote unquote man breeding with Nephlim giants, you have a
Speaker 2: high likelihood of throwing some really strange pups, to say
Speaker 2: the least. Yeah, and they end up his nephew. Through
Speaker 2: all this inner breeding with these giant clans, Uh ends
Speaker 2: up producing a Malek, which an entire Nephelan you know,
Speaker 2: tribe known for their ruthlessness and their and their their
Speaker 2: battle tactics. The Uh, the Amalekites were named after him,
Speaker 2: and when you go to the Hebrew, that name means
Speaker 2: blood liquors. And they were known like basically like Viking deserks,
Speaker 2: that they were known for battle and they're fearless, you know,
Speaker 2: and just how great they were out on the field.
Speaker 2: And their name needs blood liquors. I mean that sounds
Speaker 2: pretty you know, vamporistic. And his third wife, he goes
Speaker 2: to Ishmael. Okay, so now here is someone in the
Speaker 2: same situation as him. Here is another eldest brother who
Speaker 2: was quote unquote screwed out of their birthright. So you
Speaker 2: can imagine the hatred that was sown around the late
Speaker 2: night campfires with these two guys. And you talk about
Speaker 2: blood feuds, you know, this hatfield McCoy don't have nothing
Speaker 2: on us. And it's playing out today when you turn
Speaker 2: on your news and you see all the stuff going
Speaker 2: on over there, over the Gods, the strip and the
Speaker 2: two States solution. This is the enmity between the two seeds.
Speaker 2: This is the seed war because you have Jacob and
Speaker 2: Esau and the other side thinks that they were screwed
Speaker 2: out of their inheritance and their birthright and they're fighting
Speaker 2: to the death over and over there. And from this
Speaker 2: union you have all your Muslim nations and people groups
Speaker 2: that want to just wipe off God's people from the
Speaker 2: face of the earth.
Speaker 4: So true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so much, so much to unpack there. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I thought I was in to when when Jacob met
Speaker 3: back with his brother.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And you know, his brother had all these men with them,
Speaker 3: and Jacob he knows obviously how strong his brother is
Speaker 3: because he literally bows down like seven times before he
Speaker 3: gets to him where he's just making sure and then
Speaker 3: he keeps offering up these gifts to him to have
Speaker 3: him accept it, and he keeps denying it. No, brother,
Speaker 3: it's good, it's good. And he just he needed him
Speaker 3: to accept the gifts just to know that they are
Speaker 3: good before he even approached him, because uh, Esau if
Speaker 3: he if he wasn't of a giant stature, but he
Speaker 3: obviously was. If he was just normal, he's obviously a
Speaker 3: warrior that that kicks butt on the battlefield. His brother
Speaker 3: was making sure and the whole story is super fascinating. Jason,
Speaker 3: do you have anything to add on Broth or anything.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, Dude, your cover or your book
Speaker 4: is awesome. Bro It's like a it's like Assassin's Creed
Speaker 4: type of stuff. It's pretty cool looking up some cliff
Speaker 4: notes and stuff. But yeah, I could, I could, Uh,
Speaker 4: I could see.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I agree with you totally. It's a seed war and
Speaker 4: I totally agree that. Uh that Esaw was the flesh
Speaker 4: and his brother was was more of there's there's a spirit,
Speaker 4: and well they both the kind of flesh. They kind
Speaker 4: of went after the flesh at a young age. But
Speaker 4: Esa stayed with it. He stayed worldly, you know, he
Speaker 4: stayed out there with the Uh. He's that's what they're saying.
Speaker 4: They do the two different kind of the seed and
Speaker 4: the good seed the bad seed. It's it's the same thing.
Speaker 4: It's like just just the Bible has written so well
Speaker 4: that they they go through and and have have all
Speaker 4: this stuff that that that goes along and it tells
Speaker 4: you the story and it tells you the exact way
Speaker 4: it is, and some people interpret it some way. But
Speaker 4: if you start from the beginning and keep going, it's
Speaker 4: all about the bloodline. That's all about. That's why in
Speaker 4: the Bible they show you so many of genealogies, and
Speaker 4: people don't even to pay attention to the just go through,
Speaker 4: like we got this, we got that. They get bored
Speaker 4: in and look at it. But if you go through
Speaker 4: and look at this stuff, it's super important, which which
Speaker 4: which way the bloodlines win? Which way? Uh? Which way
Speaker 4: God was going with with with blessing the nation? And
Speaker 4: it's pretty crazy, and it's all written right there. It
Speaker 4: seems like you got a pretty good gist of it, dude,
Speaker 4: if you wrote a book about it. And I understand,
Speaker 4: I want to watch a book too, but I just
Speaker 4: I just don't even have the.
Speaker 1: Time.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna start with in oh man, come
Speaker 4: on in the beginning.
Speaker 3: Now, in the beginning, one stormy night, No.
Speaker 4: I got writer's blocked, dude, these kids leave me alone.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I think what's also fascinating if you
Speaker 3: guys go you know, do get a chance to go
Speaker 3: through the book of Genesis, like I'm going through, you
Speaker 3: always notice that, you know, when they're marrying, like you know,
Speaker 3: Abraham's children or you know, on he keeps telling them
Speaker 3: to go back to go marry outside of the Canaanites, right,
Speaker 3: and then you're seeing all these like God even like
Speaker 3: in Genesis fifteen, I'm not through with the Amorites, you know,
Speaker 3: or you see like Sodom Ingamora fighting with the Raphaeim
Speaker 3: on their side, you know, and you're seeing all these
Speaker 3: you're seeing all these things mentioned like if you go
Speaker 3: you know, like Gary Wayne really points this stuff out
Speaker 3: of all these tribes and not knowing who these people are,
Speaker 3: like the Hittites or the whole rights, you don't you
Speaker 3: don't even know. So as you read through, not knowing
Speaker 3: what Genesis six or these these those those also those bloodlines,
Speaker 3: then you're reading the book as if it's just a
Speaker 3: novel and you're not understanding. But once you dig in
Speaker 3: and you know about Genesis six four, and then you
Speaker 3: know that some of these are giant tribes and you're
Speaker 3: noticing that that you know, Isaac is told to go
Speaker 3: like four hundred and fifty miles to go meet with
Speaker 3: his his wife and out of the out of the
Speaker 3: side of the Canaanites. And then you're noticing these certain things.
Speaker 3: And Jason was saying that Jacob was of the spirit
Speaker 3: he is like later but yeah, he ends up lying
Speaker 3: and and and the way that uh, she she lies,
Speaker 3: the way she points it out as saying that he
Speaker 3: you know, uh that Esau married the Canaanite, you know,
Speaker 3: or or which is a hit tite you know, and
Speaker 3: a whole right, And I'm sorry, I think it was
Speaker 3: a hit tight. But we're noticing that Ah Abraham and
Speaker 3: and his his family are surrounded by Canaanites and surrounded
Speaker 3: by these giant tribes and U it's it's it's very
Speaker 3: fascinating once you understand that, and you know that and
Speaker 3: uh and and you just and then like later on too.
Speaker 3: Like one thing that's interesting about about his his line
Speaker 3: is that that King Herod was actually an Edamite in
Speaker 3: Jesus's time. He came came from that line, and you
Speaker 3: see how evil that he ended up being as well.
Speaker 3: So that actually solidifies what probably what your book is
Speaker 3: talking about. I don't know, did you have that in
Speaker 3: your book at did you know that that part?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 4: No, I mean you're discussing myself. I don't think you
Speaker 4: knew it. Now.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that you knew that that, but just it
Speaker 3: just kind of points started.
Speaker 2: Later, you know, yeah, it does. And I kind of
Speaker 2: just like briefly mentioned it because I was talking about
Speaker 2: how you know, at Satan's fall, uh and if you
Speaker 2: follow that, and I love how Mike Haiser talked about it,
Speaker 2: how he believes, you know, the seals started opening at
Speaker 2: the resurrection, at the ascension, and he was talking about,
Speaker 2: you know, that's we get that revelation twelve, that's the
Speaker 2: birth of Christ and so you know, these behold these
Speaker 2: signs in the heavens, a woman cloth and the sun
Speaker 2: that's Burgo, twelve stars on her head, the constellation Leo,
Speaker 2: the moon under her feet, the sun in her womb
Speaker 2: literally and all that stuff. And it said that you know,
Speaker 2: if you do that astronomically like a clock, you know,
Speaker 2: you can pinpoint the time to nine to eleven within
Speaker 2: a two minute window with the moon. But that's when
Speaker 2: the fighting breaks out and the rebellion happens. And it
Speaker 2: says that that's when Satan and a third of the
Speaker 2: angels was swept down, but also the dragon laying at
Speaker 2: her her feet waiting to devour the child. The constellation
Speaker 2: Hydra is right there, which significantly its tail takes up
Speaker 2: one third of the heavens and there's a significant lack
Speaker 2: of stars compared to the rest of the heavens to
Speaker 2: where that tale is. So I talk about how he
Speaker 2: was thrown down there. So it's kind of like they
Speaker 2: were laying back and waiting and plotting, trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what they were going to do. But then when
Speaker 2: they seen the birth of Christ happen, that's they're like,
Speaker 2: that's when they had to make their move, and then
Speaker 2: they were thrown down. But it says, you know, woe
Speaker 2: to the inhabitants of earth because his time is short.
Speaker 2: And so it's like boom right there at the birth
Speaker 2: of Jesus Herod, you know from the bad seed line,
Speaker 2: uh Satan or a fallen angel starts whispering in his ear.
Speaker 2: There's a king being born and he's going to destroy
Speaker 2: your kingdom. You better kill all the new born jew
Speaker 2: babies around Bethlehem, and the boom they send them out
Speaker 2: to kill all these babies. But the ads of the
Speaker 2: Lord Warrens marrying Joseph and they flee to Egypt just
Speaker 2: like Moses, and or sustained for a season.
Speaker 3: Interesting, yes, And then okay, so since we kind of
Speaker 3: have a few well just so you guys know as well,
Speaker 3: he was a hunter. Jacob was more of an inside person,
Speaker 3: so more of a I would say, like a mama's.
Speaker 4: Boy, you know.
Speaker 3: And then you know, I say, proud of Esau. You know,
Speaker 3: he was like, he's like, all right, he's a hunter.
Speaker 3: He's bringing me game. He's like all right, Like you know,
Speaker 3: when you have a boy like Jason has his son, Maverick,
Speaker 3: and he has two other sons, but they're not old
Speaker 3: enough yet. But I'm noticing Jason's like, you know, he's
Speaker 3: playing basketball a sudden, He's he's playing football. He's getting
Speaker 3: him ready to become, you know, a strong man, you know.
Speaker 3: So he's he's probably like that dad bond, you know,
Speaker 3: like they're they're probably you know, fishing whatever, you know
Speaker 3: together and hunting, and and you're noticing Jacob is more
Speaker 3: you know with his mom, you know, and and uh
Speaker 3: in the house maybe doing whatever he's doing, you know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so the and then and then uh, it's
Speaker 3: saying that he's a hunter, he's he's a bowman, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, you know, it's how to obviously
Speaker 3: handle himself in the field. And so now once you
Speaker 3: get to like extra biblical text, what what was point?
Speaker 3: What what do you think Uh? What bullet points kind
Speaker 3: of came to you to uh, to where you got
Speaker 3: to your your conclusion in the book? Uh?
Speaker 2: Honestly, Uh. And I just say this for context, you know,
Speaker 2: because the stuff I talk about, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: I do I have people listen to the show that
Speaker 2: are not Christians. Uh, So you know, I kind of
Speaker 2: just say this for context. I'm like, you know, for
Speaker 2: us Christians, you know, we call it the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: The Greeks, you know, the voice or what's the word
Speaker 2: I'm looking for the inspiration they found, you know, they
Speaker 2: caught it the muse. But it's like, as I started
Speaker 2: going through some of these extra biblical texts, you know,
Speaker 2: for interviews and for episodes and stuff that I'd done
Speaker 2: on the show, I just started finding all these little
Speaker 2: pieces of Esau's story. And of course there was some
Speaker 2: that was you know, just didn't make sense or didn't
Speaker 2: fit into the biblical narrative where I had trouble getting
Speaker 2: it in there. So those I just kind of threw
Speaker 2: over my shoulder and kept digging. But I found a
Speaker 2: lot man that were I mean, it just fit perfect
Speaker 2: into the biblical narrative and answered questions about stuff. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that makes a whole lot more sense now. I didn't
Speaker 2: have to twist it and force it in. I mean,
Speaker 2: it just fit perfect. And the first one that I
Speaker 2: stumbled across was the Book of Jasher, and I have
Speaker 2: it in the books, but it's slipping my head now.
Speaker 2: There's two references to the Book of Jasher in the
Speaker 2: Old Testament. I think one of them is in the
Speaker 2: Book of Kings. Yeah, yep. And so that shows you
Speaker 2: that this book was you know, this scroll was circulating
Speaker 2: amongst the people that they read it, and they knew it,
Speaker 2: and they were familiar with it. You know, we can
Speaker 2: argue whether or not the version we have now is
Speaker 2: exactly the way the other one was. But so as
Speaker 2: I got to read in that though, it says that
Speaker 2: when in Genesis we hear that just Esau comes in
Speaker 2: from the field exhausted and well, the Book of Jasher
Speaker 2: says that Esau was alive during the time of King Nemrod,
Speaker 2: and they both were their claims to fame. As you mentioned, Josh,
Speaker 2: they were the mighty hunters.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: In Hebrew that that was gible reem, same word you
Speaker 2: used to describe the Nephelo giants. And in the Book
Speaker 2: of Genesis we hear that Nimrod wasn't born a gibbe rim.
Speaker 2: It says that he became, yes, a gibrim. Yes, And
Speaker 2: a lot of people theorize, you know, was this uh,
Speaker 2: you know, sexual magic, you know, rights to manipulate the DNA,
Speaker 2: or was this scientific or some kind of spiritual uh,
Speaker 2: selling your soul you know, to the to the naicas.
Speaker 2: You know, there's all kinds of theories circul circulating on
Speaker 2: how he became a Gibberim. But in the Book of
Speaker 2: Jashure it says that Nimrod looked upon Esau with jealousy
Speaker 2: and hatred all.
Speaker 4: Of his days.
Speaker 2: And the way it words it is that Nimrod goes
Speaker 2: out with two other gible rim and they go to
Speaker 2: try to hunt down Esau. So it's kind of like
Speaker 2: you know, Disney's Beauty and the Beast, You know, you
Speaker 2: have Nimrod Gaston the great Hunter, trying to take down
Speaker 2: this hairy beast to get the notoriety of being the
Speaker 2: one that took down the mighty beast and mount that
Speaker 2: head on his mantle. That's his missing piece. And it
Speaker 2: says that Esau sees him coming and basically hides in
Speaker 2: the woods or the brush or whatever. But it says
Speaker 2: that when they approach and they turn their backs, that
Speaker 2: he springs out and takes his sword and cuts off
Speaker 2: the head of Dimrod. And then he battles these other
Speaker 2: two gibber riem and he kills not one, not two,
Speaker 2: but three Nephelom giants and the king Nimrod. And it
Speaker 2: says that he takes the time to remove Nimrod's garments,
Speaker 2: and it just says it gives like just this little blurb,
Speaker 2: but it says, uh, he removed the garments to which
Speaker 2: Nimrod was able to rule over all the nations. And
Speaker 2: it says he takes it back home and he hides
Speaker 2: these garments and then he goes into the tent of
Speaker 2: his brother Jacob. So that to me tied in a
Speaker 2: whole lot of loose ends. That trading that birthright, you know,
Speaker 2: Genesis just says, he comes in from the field exhausted.
Speaker 2: You dagon right, he was exhausted. H. He probably sustained
Speaker 2: some life threatening injuries in this battle, you would assume.
Speaker 2: And he just killed the king. He's on the run.
Speaker 2: He's desperate, probably bleeding out, looking for somebody to sew
Speaker 2: him up, feed him, and get him back to health.
Speaker 2: But oh, I was just gonna say so uh that
Speaker 2: that explains why he was just like, you know, take it,
Speaker 2: and then even says, yes, this's what use is a
Speaker 2: birth right to me when I'm dead?
Speaker 4: Take it?
Speaker 2: And then it explains that the urgency in Jacob's voice,
Speaker 2: because Jacob's you know, he ain't just like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: i'll give you some if you maybe trade me the
Speaker 2: birth right.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: When you read that, he says, trade me your birthright,
Speaker 2: do this thing. Now, promise me you will do this.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like, you know, it's like a
Speaker 2: heat of the moment, bleeding out, you know, and he's like,
Speaker 2: please help you help He's like, tell me, you promise
Speaker 2: me you'll do it. I'll help you, just promise me.
Speaker 3: And then the garment, the garment part is fascinating too.
Speaker 3: You know which garment that is. I know you'll probably
Speaker 3: get into that right now. But so maybe that's probably
Speaker 3: maybe another reason why, because that garment makes him makes
Speaker 3: you more powerful, right And maybe maybe that's another thing
Speaker 3: where he was like, Hey, I could say my birth
Speaker 3: right now, but I'll have no problem, you know, And
Speaker 3: now I have this type of power having this this garment,
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it gave him any any
Speaker 3: extra power, but supposedly it had this Uh is what
Speaker 3: that's that's that garment in the Book of Josh that's
Speaker 3: what gave Nimrod, that that get that mighty men gibberine.
Speaker 3: And then the in the Greek scept Tuogen that that
Speaker 3: word giberine is actually it is giant. They use that word.
Speaker 3: They don't even use uh mighty men in the Greek
Speaker 3: scept Tuogen. And you know that the Greek scept tu
Speaker 3: agent the language is is more specific so and and
Speaker 3: more accurate. I guess what is it, Jason? What word?
Speaker 3: What did a Chuck Misser use on the On the
Speaker 3: Greek it's more not specific or accurate. It's another word
Speaker 3: I can't remember.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
Speaker 4: Oh? It said it's uh, it's it's uh. It's so precise,
Speaker 4: because precise, that's the word more precise. Five, Like like
Speaker 4: the whole sentence has to fit perfectly or we'll they'll
Speaker 4: throw it out. But I want to mention you guys
Speaker 4: talked about earlier about how you saw or his brother
Speaker 4: it was it was Jacob, yeah about them, Like and
Speaker 4: he's afraid. I was saying that, Like how it goes
Speaker 4: to your point, like, I'm not afraid of my brother, Dude,
Speaker 4: I don't care how I don't care how boldly he is,
Speaker 4: how big he gets, how that is. I'm not afraid
Speaker 4: of him at all. And even if I took his
Speaker 4: birth rider, I'm not afraid to throw down my brother. Dude,
Speaker 4: if if it had it, I'm like, I'm just saying.
Speaker 4: But but if he was hanging around with a bunch
Speaker 4: of giants, did Yeah, if you're gonna you go up
Speaker 4: there to you know, and meet him, you're like, oh crap,
Speaker 4: these guys are no here you go. I have all
Speaker 4: this stuff, have my goats, have some women, whatever you want.
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, maybe that's why, because maybe he was
Speaker 4: super scared. Like they don't mention this stuff in the Bible.
Speaker 4: They just tell you like bits and pieces. But like
Speaker 4: how the net how how uh, it's only in Genesis
Speaker 4: six that they're they're mentioned scattered a little bit throughout
Speaker 4: the Bible, but they're just mentioned there, and that they
Speaker 4: not talked about it after that, like there was Nephlin thanks,
Speaker 4: Like it's like, well the nefhlin?
Speaker 3: What is this?
Speaker 4: What is that? It's like giants for back in the days.
Speaker 4: That's kind of kind of sounds kind of fairy tailish,
Speaker 4: But I think they kick all of that stuff. Like
Speaker 4: I think a lot of that stuff, like the Book
Speaker 4: of Joshure, the Apocrypha, you know, those type of books
Speaker 4: like you said they were they were widely read and
Speaker 4: that's the language they use, and that's what the probably
Speaker 4: what the rabbis taught to like all that stuff, like
Speaker 4: how Enoch was the same way, Like it's not panical
Speaker 4: or how do you say, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 4: know how to say that, but uh, but it was
Speaker 4: the actual teachings they were having and the language they
Speaker 4: are speaking back in the days, So you can't really
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's a good way to study. It's
Speaker 4: not a it might not be biblical, but who knows,
Speaker 4: maybe they took it out for that reason. To maybe not,
Speaker 4: you know, uh, because it's interesting to me, like it
Speaker 4: like it's kind of like a comic book or something
Speaker 4: like it It grabs me and I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 4: these characters are cool, these all this is awesome. These guys.
Speaker 4: It's and then you start pick clicking and like you
Speaker 4: start seeing like the how you said that, the seed
Speaker 4: war and the and the birthrights and and and you
Speaker 4: start going. You start doing studies and like some people,
Speaker 4: like my buddy's don't like, dude, where what are you doing?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 4: Like where are you in the Bible? Like I'm like
Speaker 4: just trying to learn to be Like I'm I just
Speaker 4: study it differently. I don't. I don't look at it
Speaker 4: just as the as it just tells you something is
Speaker 4: like there's a meaning behind all of it, and it's
Speaker 4: and if you can find it, that's pretty cool. It's
Speaker 4: pretty it's pretty pretty awesome. Yeah, I agree. You also
Speaker 4: wrote a book about it. You wrote a book. It
Speaker 4: got you off your eyes to write a book. And
Speaker 4: like you said, a lot of your listeners probably don't
Speaker 4: even believers, but you never know. You grab one of
Speaker 4: those guys's ears and he'll boom, she write it and
Speaker 4: be a believer, and I'm like, oh man, this guy
Speaker 4: wrote something that was really cool. It's interesting. I never
Speaker 4: thought about it like that puts in a new perspective.
Speaker 4: And when you do that, it brings the Bible alive.
Speaker 3: Bro exactly like taking these like these these portions and
Speaker 3: and then once you like, that's the thing, once you uh,
Speaker 3: once those those keys are unlocked, and then as you
Speaker 3: as you continue to go through, it just opens up
Speaker 3: different avenues and your mind. It expands your mind in
Speaker 3: it in a way where where people are are like
Speaker 3: if you expite it to people like Jay, someone's saying
Speaker 3: maybe a common person like that's why they say, like
Speaker 3: where you at and the Bible? Are you getting all this?
Speaker 3: But once you lay up foundation and and and and
Speaker 3: then the people have that foundation, then they could follow
Speaker 3: along quite easily. And then when you point certain things out,
Speaker 3: like like like in the Book of Genesis, the whole
Speaker 3: entire time God is is keeps on mentioning Amorites or
Speaker 3: you know, these different giant tribes, like even even like
Speaker 3: I said, and and you don't see God getting involved
Speaker 3: unless it is something that has to do with the
Speaker 3: giants or you know, even even like the Tower of Babbel,
Speaker 3: like there was something there a little bit more. And
Speaker 3: then also Sodom and Gomorah, where they're going after a
Speaker 3: strange flesh. God doesn't get involved. Like think about Sodom
Speaker 3: and Gomorah. It says the Lord had the Lord throw
Speaker 3: fire and brimstone on this city. Everyone's like, uh, I
Speaker 3: see pastors talking about Sodom and Gamora and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's because you know there there there was sodomy, and
Speaker 3: there was there was wide.
Speaker 4: Activities, but the condoonement of it.
Speaker 3: Everybody was well, yes, that portion, that portion is is true,
Speaker 3: but what there was something more to it? Think about this, dude, Jesus,
Speaker 3: I believe it's Jesus uh that Lord Porson and then God,
Speaker 3: the Father's the other Lord Porson. It's so it's so
Speaker 3: something is so evil as going on that that God
Speaker 3: literally destroyed that whole entire city and he came to check,
Speaker 3: you know, what was going on. But anyways, that strange
Speaker 3: flesh portion, I personally believe that that could be a
Speaker 3: point where they were trying to do second incursion fallen
Speaker 3: angel type of activity.
Speaker 2: And the reason did you use that same strange about
Speaker 2: strange flesh and associated directly with Genesis six.
Speaker 3: Yes, and obvious, yeah, and and so I think that
Speaker 3: there's something more to it, obviously, and that's why God
Speaker 3: got involved. And then Tower of Babbel. I think as
Speaker 3: you get into extra biblical text, you're learning more and
Speaker 3: more like there's something more to that as well. Building
Speaker 3: the tower to the heavens enticing fallen angels to come
Speaker 3: back down. Maybe like there was some some people that
Speaker 3: that theorize that maybe they're trying to bring a virgin
Speaker 3: up there to try to get fallen like entice these
Speaker 3: fallen angels again because uh, you know, because of Nimrod's ancestors.
Speaker 3: Just there's just more to it. The reason why God
Speaker 3: gets involved obviously with Genesis six happening and that God,
Speaker 3: you know, the flood came and Jenet and Joshua ten
Speaker 3: through twelve. When we were mentioning where it mentions the
Speaker 3: Book of Joshure, excuse me, God stops the moon and
Speaker 3: the sun from moving because Joshua was fighting who Joshua's
Speaker 3: fighting the Amorites, the king of Bashan. Right, So God
Speaker 3: is getting physically involved right there because he wants to
Speaker 3: make sure that these giant tribes are wiped out and uh,
Speaker 3: you know the five four King war in the Book
Speaker 3: of Genesis that that is you see, you hear giant
Speaker 3: tribes mentioned there, and uh, it's just it's it's fascinating
Speaker 3: when you when you dig and you find out these
Speaker 3: these things, like Gary Wayne kind of opened up to
Speaker 3: some people and and then you see these different tribes
Speaker 3: throughout the Bible. Once you know, then you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: then you understand. And then these atheists and these people
Speaker 3: that have all these contentions towards the Bible, if they
Speaker 3: knew these certain things that you're you're probably opening up
Speaker 3: in your in your on your show, in your book,
Speaker 3: and then we're trying to open up and you know,
Speaker 3: God is opening up through us to different people, then
Speaker 3: they don't they can't really be contentious towards God doing
Speaker 3: these certain things like the flood or wiping out all men, women,
Speaker 3: and children of a tribe. You know, once they find
Speaker 3: out these these certain points in the Bible, if that
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 4: Well, everybody says that people that aren't believers, they go, well,
Speaker 4: why if there's a God, why would you wipe out women, children,
Speaker 4: and you know all these people. And it's like because
Speaker 4: there's a reason for that. And every time he states,
Speaker 4: he tells saul Ay, wipe out, I don't care, don't
Speaker 4: bring back anything, not their cat, own nothing, and he
Speaker 4: doesn't want nothing to do. And every time he states this,
Speaker 4: it's always wipe out every woman, child, cat, dog, whatever
Speaker 4: is involved in that situation. Wipe them out because but
Speaker 4: there's always some way that that they always disobey too,
Speaker 4: so they always bring back some of something from there,
Speaker 4: or they make back to you, like like you said,
Speaker 4: don't be making those told Joshua, don't be making deals
Speaker 4: with nobody, nobody out here. And then he goes in accident,
Speaker 4: he gets conned in doing it. But what does God do.
Speaker 4: He makes He holds him up to his he holds
Speaker 4: him up to me. He makes some honor is his decisions.
Speaker 4: But it's the the Nephelin and and all that. It's
Speaker 4: it's a it's a crazy concept and it makes you
Speaker 4: it kind of makes you think, like, man, is is
Speaker 4: this stuff all real? Is it really?
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 4: Is it really like that? And when you get down
Speaker 4: and if I've never read a book like this, the
Speaker 4: Bible that explains it, like everything is explained perfect, and
Speaker 4: you're like dang, dude, this is this is this is
Speaker 4: this is Did I just do a breakthrough? And I did.
Speaker 4: I did just find something that maybe no one else
Speaker 4: That's why I thought at first off, like I find
Speaker 4: something that nobody else found down It's like, you know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people actually think like this. And
Speaker 4: and and I understand that there was there was a
Speaker 4: blood there was a bloodline, there was a blood issue.
Speaker 4: There was and it's and and God, you know, has
Speaker 4: to intervene because we're too we were we just do
Speaker 4: wherever we want anyways we don't know we're doing. So
Speaker 4: God has to intervene. He has to he has to
Speaker 4: uh kind of maneuver people. And and and like like
Speaker 4: you said, Ruth was a Moabite, Uh what was Rebecca?
Speaker 4: She was also Uh she was also a gentile, a
Speaker 4: lot of gentile. Who else a rahab was a gentile?
Speaker 4: Wasn't And uh, you have all these gentile women that
Speaker 4: God said don't get with and don't mess with. But
Speaker 4: he's you know, that's how you get the Messiah through that,
Speaker 4: through those lines. It's it's kind of crazy, it's very crazy.
Speaker 4: If you go read your there's a blood curse on
Speaker 4: the whole lineup David, Yes, but he goes through two
Speaker 4: different if you read Luke and you read Matthew. One
Speaker 4: goes through Nathaniel, one goes through the Solomon. That's how
Speaker 4: crazy it is. And they both and one is Joseph's
Speaker 4: side and one is Mary's side. Boom, they're both through
Speaker 4: the line of David, but one is from It's like
Speaker 4: you go through like, dang, dude, if this is if
Speaker 4: this isn't real, someone's super good con and I don't
Speaker 4: care who you are, there's no way you're gonna reach
Speaker 4: this many people from two thousand and three thousand years
Speaker 4: ago and and have like a just a just still
Speaker 4: like wow, that's that's hard to that's hard to conceive,
Speaker 4: Like it's very hard to conceive it. But it's like
Speaker 4: when you go through it, you're like, man, I better
Speaker 4: start paying attention to the little things in this Bible
Speaker 4: because little things are usually the ones that really put
Speaker 4: put it out and put it all together. Like I
Speaker 4: love like you, I love like you talking about giving
Speaker 4: up your birthright. It's it seems like canaan Abel one
Speaker 4: get one is one is favored the one, the other one.
Speaker 2: Isn't one one it is the same man story over over.
Speaker 4: Yes, because and and and. In our form of prophecy,
Speaker 4: it's prediction fulfillment. But in the in the Jewish prophecy,
Speaker 4: it's pattern. For film, it there's always it's it's it's
Speaker 4: the same things happening over and over, and it's not
Speaker 4: it might be, it might be it's just different people,
Speaker 4: but it's it's that's how they're predicted. That's how their
Speaker 4: prophecy is done. It's done by it's it's done by
Speaker 4: I forgot what what the word was for it, but
Speaker 4: it's it's.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: If you get like like we were talking about canebel
Speaker 4: you have one guy that's that's favored because he listens
Speaker 4: to what God wants, and the other one wants to
Speaker 4: bring what he thinks is is is what God wants.
Speaker 4: That's where you get one side that that that totally believes,
Speaker 4: has so much faith and and understands grace, understands all
Speaker 4: that stuff, and the other one he just thinks, hey, man,
Speaker 4: you know what I do. This work, I work this land,
Speaker 4: I'm a I provide for my family this way. This
Speaker 4: is what probably God will want. And God's like, no,
Speaker 4: I don't want that. I told you. There's certain ways
Speaker 4: I tell you to do things and you don't listen
Speaker 4: all that. Let me listen. You want to start your
Speaker 4: own religion through through this type of uh type of
Speaker 4: type of thinking. And sometimes that's that's why God intervenes.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's crazy, Adam and Eve that one
Speaker 4: gives It's just like it's all through the Bible they
Speaker 4: give people giving up their birthright. You know, Samson, he
Speaker 4: was chosen to be a great, a great, great champion,
Speaker 4: he just gives it, gives up his his his right
Speaker 4: to do anything because he makes stupid decisions because he
Speaker 4: falls for the the for lust and through the eyes.
Speaker 4: And there's just so many different like things in the
Speaker 4: Bible that are that are all about the same type
Speaker 4: of you know, second born Noise getting the birthright, the
Speaker 4: firstborn Noise ends up losing it or getting screwed or
Speaker 4: screwed himself out of it doing something stupid or and
Speaker 4: it's just it's like danged. And when you go through
Speaker 4: the Bible like on this is boring, dude, I can't
Speaker 4: read this stuff and say, nah, dude, it's very interesting.
Speaker 2: And that's a bigger meta narrative and I tell people.
Speaker 2: I try to you know, I love how Derek Gilbert,
Speaker 2: you know, he said that he was a generalist. And
Speaker 2: when I tell people, you know, if I could classify
Speaker 2: myself as something, that would probably be it. I know
Speaker 2: a little bit about a lot of different things, and
Speaker 2: I try to connect them. And I love these micro
Speaker 2: and micro like narratives in the Bible because, like you
Speaker 2: had mentioned, you had kanaan Abel, you have Jacob and Esau,
Speaker 2: you have the heavenly family. Because if you look at
Speaker 2: it that way, you know, the angelic race is the
Speaker 2: elder brother and we are the younger brother. And it
Speaker 2: plays into these parables, and I think that's what Jesus
Speaker 2: was talking about, like when he told the parable of
Speaker 2: the prodigal son. There was an elder son and there
Speaker 2: was a younger son. The younger son wanted his inheritance now,
Speaker 2: and he got it and took off and rolled in
Speaker 2: the pig excrement and came back and was welcomed with
Speaker 2: open arms. It says that a cloak was put on him,
Speaker 2: you know, symbolically for these these garments and birth right
Speaker 2: and the signet ring, the family crest. A big party
Speaker 2: was thrown, but the elder brother was pissed off. He
Speaker 2: was like, I've been here since the beginning. I've never left,
Speaker 2: I've never done you wrong. Where's my fat and calf?
Speaker 2: And that is a more you know, macro narrative of
Speaker 2: the angelic race in US and their fall in their rebellion.
Speaker 3: That's great and I never thought of it that way.
Speaker 4: Very gets a way to put it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's very interesting. And then one one
Speaker 3: more thing I was gonna ask you is, uh, what
Speaker 3: was that garment? I know what it is, but I
Speaker 3: want my audience to know what was that garment that
Speaker 3: that Nimrod had that the Book of Joshua describes, And
Speaker 3: why was that important for Esau to take that garment off?
Speaker 3: I didn't want I didn't want to lose that part
Speaker 3: because I know we're going somewhere else.
Speaker 4: What was the garment? Well?
Speaker 2: Uh, when I first read that, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: what's the deal with these garments? And as you keep reading,
Speaker 2: you find out that these are the super natural garments
Speaker 2: from the Garden of God.
Speaker 4: This like their oarium type of thing that when you
Speaker 4: shed your you shed your okitarium, your your uh, the
Speaker 4: angels and and and when they fell when they came
Speaker 4: down to down sex with him, they shed.
Speaker 2: Their oh left their first to stay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like how like how when when Adam came back
Speaker 4: he knew what was wrong with Eve? He knew because
Speaker 4: she was different, Like, hey, like you don't look the same,
Speaker 4: like you're light, you know. I'm like, I wonder how
Speaker 4: you would look with your heavenly gardle. I see what
Speaker 4: you're saying, Jason, have you ever heard I want to
Speaker 4: ask you a question, have you ever heard of Elijah's mantle?
Speaker 4: Kind of the same thing like he had.
Speaker 2: Like a I think that's the supernatural garment too, yeah,
Speaker 2: because they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he gives it. Yeah, there you go. It's kind
Speaker 4: of like a here, now you take now, you take
Speaker 4: this this this part because he called fire down from
Speaker 4: Evan dude and stuff like that, like there's only a
Speaker 4: few guys. There's only a few guys in the Bible
Speaker 4: that I can do that. It was Moses and him
Speaker 4: and well you.
Speaker 3: Can also see the angelic realm. He tells Alicia, his
Speaker 3: his his partner, like you don't understand what's on that
Speaker 3: mountain and then ask God to release the veil.
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, we're good.
Speaker 3: You know. So, yeah, it's almost like having that on
Speaker 3: you're able to see the angelic realm.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: That's a good point, dude, that's a really good point.
Speaker 4: Like you shed that first, your first your first like
Speaker 4: kind of like your first skin, your first, you know,
Speaker 4: your first darmit and you go and you go with uh, man,
Speaker 4: that's crazy and her thought about that, Well, you're blowing
Speaker 4: my mind right now, bro, Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: This is something something me and my friend Jared, the
Speaker 3: one that listens to your show, Justin we were talking
Speaker 3: about too. We don't want to go too many places,
Speaker 3: but I think we have some some some things here
Speaker 3: that we're unlocking that I think people maybe don't even
Speaker 3: in the Book of Ezekiel when it's talking about when
Speaker 3: it's talking about Lucifer in the garden and he has
Speaker 3: all these different stones, you know, like you know, yes,
Speaker 3: I think that that is his okitarian right, And what
Speaker 3: does that look like? Well, if you take a p
Speaker 3: one thousand camera and you look up to a star,
Speaker 3: you're seeing it look like different jewels, you know, And
Speaker 3: people might think I'm crazy, But the way I read
Speaker 3: the Bibles is and just like Justin was saying, when
Speaker 3: you look up at that the third of the stars
Speaker 3: are gone. Well, what are the stars like? Even at
Speaker 3: extra biblical text, you know, would they would be angels?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: So that could be the okaitarian could look like what
Speaker 3: you see in a p one thousand camera when you
Speaker 3: look at camera, look at these stars, they're shining in
Speaker 3: different colors that look like jewels, And that could be
Speaker 3: angels up there. And that's what their okaitarian looks like
Speaker 3: the same thing that's described in the Book of Ezekiel
Speaker 3: when you when you look at you know, Lucifer, when
Speaker 3: his okaitarian different color jewels. Now, am I crazy? Maybe?
Speaker 3: But look what the Bible says in about all the
Speaker 3: stars falling to the earth. What does it say in
Speaker 3: the book Revelation all the stars are going to fall
Speaker 3: to the earth? Right, it says in the Book of Isaiah,
Speaker 3: it's still prophecy of that same situation. And it says
Speaker 3: all the hosts of heaven. What are the hosts of heaven?
Speaker 3: It's the army of angels. And I'm not telling you,
Speaker 3: guys that every single star is a angel. I'm just
Speaker 3: telling you I think that stars are a type of angel,
Speaker 3: like a d different sect of Angel, and they're doing
Speaker 3: a certain motion.
Speaker 4: In the sky.
Speaker 3: But then these wandering stars which are planets which we
Speaker 3: happen to just call different gods, and in the Book
Speaker 3: of Jude they're actually judged, so they are doing a
Speaker 3: different formation. So what are they doing. They are being
Speaker 3: disobedient to God and they're doing their own orbit if
Speaker 3: you want to say that, or if you want to
Speaker 3: say the their own motion. And that is probably why
Speaker 3: these different things are called, you know, you know, Saturn
Speaker 3: and Jupiter, and God warns this in the book of
Speaker 3: Uranibe don't worship the stars. And then also when you
Speaker 3: go to Aphesian six twelve, it says what that these
Speaker 3: dark are in our principalities of evil are in what
Speaker 3: heavenly places or high places. So that's where the battles
Speaker 3: are happening between Earth and heaven.
Speaker 2: And that's where That's what I was going to say,
Speaker 2: on earth as it is in heaven, because I like
Speaker 2: how you went with it, because I was just kind
Speaker 2: of looking at the physical and the scene in bology.
Speaker 2: But you always have mirrored images, you know, Earth and Heaven.
Speaker 2: When the Israelites are battling on Earth against their enemy,
Speaker 2: it says the angels in heaven are also battling. But
Speaker 2: I was looking at just from like the symbology and
Speaker 2: the physical side, because, like you said, it says in
Speaker 2: Ezekiel twenty eight, it's talking to Satan, says you were
Speaker 2: in the garden of God, perfect in all your ways,
Speaker 2: to inequality was found in you. Every precious stone was
Speaker 2: you were covering. And at least you know Sardis barrel
Speaker 2: onyx topaz Jasper. It's according to what translation you read.
Speaker 2: The Maserratic texts lists nine stones, with the septuagen lists twelve.
Speaker 2: And this is a carbon copy mirror image of the
Speaker 2: priestly epod that God gave the commandments to Moses that
Speaker 2: the priests were to wear. And then it even says
Speaker 2: that this guy that's being addressed, who we believe to
Speaker 2: be Satan. In Ezekiel twenty eight, it also says he
Speaker 2: has a sanctuary, says you profaned your sanctuaries. So it's
Speaker 2: painting this Nakash wearing a priestly robe, and he had
Speaker 2: a sanctuary and he defiled it, and he was cast
Speaker 2: from the mountain of God as a profane thing. So
Speaker 2: you know, Michael Heiser broke down that word nakash, it
Speaker 2: can mean serpent, but it can also mean the shining one,
Speaker 2: the one who practices divination. So when you look at
Speaker 2: his garment that he was wearing, like you talked about
Speaker 2: taking that p. One thousand camera, this garment that he
Speaker 2: had on, he definitely would be a shining one. It
Speaker 2: fits the description of his name. But I postulate in
Speaker 2: the book that when he tried to deceive his younger
Speaker 2: brother and basically get him in trouble, that the coverings
Speaker 2: given to Adam and Eve were the priestly garments of
Speaker 2: the nakash. That he was demoted, stripped of his position,
Speaker 2: kicked out of his sanctuary, and the symbol for kingship
Speaker 2: and priesthood was then bestowed upon the younger brother, which
Speaker 2: is mankind. And all rabbis, when you read the rabbinic texts,
Speaker 2: trace their beginnings of their priesthood and dominion back to Adam,
Speaker 2: because the first thing he did when he come out
Speaker 2: of the garden, he was, you know, given a blessing
Speaker 2: to be fruitful and multiply, and he performed the rites
Speaker 2: of a priest. First thing he done was he had
Speaker 2: a sacrifice, and this garment was the birthright. You know,
Speaker 2: some people refer to it as the the Order of
Speaker 2: Malkisa dec this was the symbol. And I'm a Southern man,
Speaker 2: so you know, I view things differently. But like in
Speaker 2: the South, they have this thing. It's called like your
Speaker 2: grandmother's quilted blanket. Great great great great great grandma has
Speaker 2: this blanket she's sown and it's like a family heirloom
Speaker 2: that gets passed to the eldest daughter. And that's what
Speaker 2: this birthright was. And you go through Jashure, it traces it.
Speaker 2: It's given to the favored line, you know, it goes
Speaker 2: to Enoch, it goes to Matthuselah Noah Hazard and it
Speaker 2: says that he has it on the boat bringing it
Speaker 2: through the flood. And it says that in Ham's going out,
Speaker 2: that Ham stole these garments and then gave them to Cush,
Speaker 2: and Cush hid them, kept them in secret. And it
Speaker 2: said that Nimrod was the son of his old age,
Speaker 2: whom he loved exceedingly. The same kind of verbiage used
Speaker 2: to describe Joseph, because it said Joseph was the child
Speaker 2: of Jacob's old age, whom he loved exceedingly. And it says,
Speaker 2: then he gives him these garments, and it says at
Speaker 2: twenty years old, at the coming of age, Nimrod put
Speaker 2: on these garments and he became a gibble rem.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's in the Book of Joshure right, yeah,
Speaker 3: part Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was reading.
Speaker 3: I was just like, man, that's that's how we're getting
Speaker 3: these because okay, So one thing I think it's important
Speaker 3: for audience to know from a context point of view
Speaker 3: is I noticed that some pastors when they when they
Speaker 3: read certain parts I sometimes they I would like them
Speaker 3: to separate what they're what they're saying, because sometimes they
Speaker 3: might have something they throw in there from like Joe
Speaker 3: Ciphiz about the Tower of Babbel, and then a couple
Speaker 3: other things, and then and then when you actually go
Speaker 3: read the Bible yourself, you're like, oh, like I thought
Speaker 3: it was all this stuff added on to it, you know,
Speaker 3: but I think it's important. So yeah, So that's in
Speaker 3: the Book of Jasher that that portion, and and doesn't
Speaker 3: that add a whole bunch to what you just said
Speaker 3: to to when you start going through And and also
Speaker 3: what happened when Noah got off the arc. He also
Speaker 3: did sacrifice, right, he did sacrifice as well. So it's
Speaker 3: almost like everything was already in place, and then when
Speaker 3: the levitical line comes, then then God obviously downloaded exactly
Speaker 3: what he wanted them to do, but they were still
Speaker 3: doing all that stuff before. So that's that's fascinating.
Speaker 4: Nimrod is a direct line from Noah. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: he's he's a don't know, a great grandson or great grandson.
Speaker 4: But if yeah, if you're Nimrod, you know you have
Speaker 4: direct knowledge of God. You have almost like you go
Speaker 4: to your grandpa and you're like, hey, I don't know
Speaker 4: if you ever read the story of Gilga Mash, I
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know, but it's similar to this
Speaker 4: this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy goes I think it's the same story,
Speaker 2: just told through a you know, a Mesopotamian Babylonian lens.
Speaker 4: Yes, me too. And he was also a big dude,
Speaker 4: and his brother was or I don't know his inky,
Speaker 4: I don't know his name is. Yeah, he looked like
Speaker 4: a Yeah, he looked like a he looked like a
Speaker 4: beast dude. And and look what happens to nebe Canezer.
Speaker 4: What does God do to him? Sends them into the wilderness,
Speaker 4: and becomes a east and and and that's that's crazy.
Speaker 4: And did and Joseph got a garment too, right, he
Speaker 4: got a multi colored garment.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I think it's the same garment.
Speaker 4: Yes, it could be the same garment. And who knows,
Speaker 4: maybe Lya's now is the same garment as fast down
Speaker 4: and and and that's what you that's crazy, that's a
Speaker 4: that's Ah.
Speaker 2: I talk about all that stuff in the book. And
Speaker 2: what's crazy is I had ah give me just one second.
Speaker 2: Gosh what I'm having a brain fart on his name.
Speaker 2: It's you know, you talk to so many people you
Speaker 2: forget stuff. But I had David Roll on the show,
Speaker 2: and he is a you know, an egyptologist and historian.
Speaker 2: When he was talking about the coat, you know, of
Speaker 2: many colors this garment, and they've recently found archaeological evidence
Speaker 2: to even collaborate, you know, the these biblical stories, because
Speaker 2: he said, the ancient city of of Varus is a
Speaker 2: known semite, you know, which is a you know, the
Speaker 2: archaeological term for Jewish people, you know, and that they
Speaker 2: had built this settlement in Egypt and at the center
Speaker 2: of the town was this huge house that was for
Speaker 2: like a high official and that there was even a
Speaker 2: pyramid tomb, and only you know, government officials and people
Speaker 2: of high importance had these pyramid tombs. And it said
Speaker 2: that when they excavated it that it was empty, but
Speaker 2: they found shards and pieces of like this large statue,
Speaker 2: and they started putting it together, and they said, the
Speaker 2: first thing they noticed is that it had yellow painted skin,
Speaker 2: and it said, that was not an Egyptian thing. That
Speaker 2: was a Semite thing. Semites painted their depictions their people
Speaker 2: with yallow skin. That said. Then they got to the
Speaker 2: head and the head had flame red hair. You said,
Speaker 2: that's not an Egyptian thing either, but that is a
Speaker 2: semi thing. And it ties into it to Jacob and Joseph.
Speaker 2: The red hair was a dominant gene. And then it says,
Speaker 2: draped over the shoulder of this statue was a coat
Speaker 2: of many colors, so that they believe in this ancient
Speaker 2: city of Avarus they found the home and tomb of Joseph.
Speaker 2: And then David said, and why was it empty? He said,
Speaker 2: I had the book of yep Genesis. Next this tells
Speaker 2: us that said, because when Moses went out, he gathered
Speaker 2: the bones of Joseph. So it's just amazing.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: That's very fascinating, and uh, everything just ties together, you know,
Speaker 3: And who was there anybody between between Elijah and whoever
Speaker 3: else had that mantle? Was there anybody in between there
Speaker 3: that you found that that had it as well? That
Speaker 3: you that you can maybe think, because I mean from
Speaker 3: Esau to Elijah, was there anybody in between there biblically
Speaker 3: that you've found or that that had that as well?
Speaker 2: No, not not biblically. Uh, you get these extra you know,
Speaker 2: these little pieces here and there, and as far as
Speaker 2: the Bible, there's a pretty big gap. I think we
Speaker 2: see the garments in uh, the uncovering of Noah's nakedness,
Speaker 2: because it says in there, you know, for the people
Speaker 2: that don't know n I was taught that Ham just
Speaker 2: walked in and his dad was drunk and passed out naked,
Speaker 2: and he'd seen him and was cursed, or he might
Speaker 2: have poked fun or maybe looked at him too long.
Speaker 2: But when you get into levitic at seventeen, it says
Speaker 2: to uncover thy father's nakedness is to sleep with thy
Speaker 2: father's wife. And this was an act of rebellion in
Speaker 2: the ancient world. Absolutely run David out. The first thing
Speaker 2: he done, he pinched a tent on top of David's
Speaker 2: house and went into all of his concubines in the
Speaker 2: side of all of Israel. Ruben slept with his father.
Speaker 2: Guy that I was just going to see this was
Speaker 2: an act of flexing on the old man back in
Speaker 2: the day. So it's like ham wanted to take over
Speaker 2: the family and either slept with his mother like they
Speaker 2: were willing, or he raped her. We don't know, but
Speaker 2: it just says that he uncovered his father's nakedness, and
Speaker 2: with the context of Leviticus seventeen, that's he.
Speaker 4: That's he.
Speaker 2: He laid with his mother.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, there's a whole line by this, and
Speaker 4: just because you you know, joked about you being naked
Speaker 4: them and.
Speaker 2: The curse makes sense because you always get the opposite
Speaker 2: of what you want. He wanted to be the ruler
Speaker 2: and have everyone serve him, but no instead, a servant
Speaker 2: to your brothers you shall be. And I even think
Speaker 2: that Canaan because it says curse would be Canaan. Canaan
Speaker 2: wasn't even born yet if you follow chronologica. So it's
Speaker 2: like Noah realizes his wife's sporting a baby bump that's
Speaker 2: not his. And they're going to name a Canaan and
Speaker 2: it's and he found out it's his son's kid. So
Speaker 2: he said, cursed be Canaan, a servant to thy brothers,
Speaker 2: that he shall be. He will serve Shem and Jacob.
Speaker 2: And I was like Shem and Japos would be his uncles,
Speaker 2: not his brothers. The only way they could be brothers
Speaker 2: is if they had the same mother. So that the
Speaker 2: beginning of the Canaanite race was an incestuous union. So
Speaker 2: it was doomed from the beginning. Wow, in those garments,
Speaker 2: it says he takes this garment. Remember it says they
Speaker 2: take a garment and walk backwards and cover their father's nakedness. Well,
Speaker 2: when you go to the septuagen it doesn't say a garment,
Speaker 2: It says the garment. So it has a definite article
Speaker 2: assigned to it. And this was the symbol of kingship
Speaker 2: and priesthood. He was trying to take the leadership role
Speaker 2: of the house. So how fitting, even theologically, would it
Speaker 2: be that the eldest brother took the symbol of kingship
Speaker 2: and priesthood and laid it back on his father.
Speaker 3: And then also something I just came to my mind
Speaker 3: there was if it makes you a mighty man or
Speaker 3: or a giant. It's like there there's there's speculation on
Speaker 3: how if there was a second incursion after the flood,
Speaker 3: like what was it? And I'm not saying that it's
Speaker 3: it's maybe maybe when you when you have that garment on,
Speaker 3: maybe it makes you a mighty man.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I know it has to do with DNA, but there's
Speaker 3: a second incursion somewhere or some way that that that
Speaker 3: DNA came through the flood, right, some people say, you know,
Speaker 3: and obviously they were in Atlantic Canaan, That's where the
Speaker 3: giants were located. So I don't know, man, I'm maybe
Speaker 3: I'm going we're a little off off the rocker.
Speaker 2: But you remember that movie, was it twenty fourteen?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah. I thought that was so blasphemous, you know,
Speaker 2: Stone Rock giants helping build the arc and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: But there's some things in there, man, that they got right.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't until now that when I read the
Speaker 2: ancient Jewish texts and stuff, and I'm like, whoever wrote
Speaker 2: this was taking a deep dive into the Book of
Speaker 2: Jasher the nine book series from Lewis Ginsburg, the Legends
Speaker 2: of the Jews, and this person did their homework and
Speaker 2: it wasn't until I found these things that I seen it,
Speaker 2: because it's like a hidden Easter egg in that film.
Speaker 2: But the garments are in that film. The show starts off,
Speaker 2: it shows Adam and Eve in the gardens like these
Speaker 2: light beings holding hands, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it shows this snake and the snake opens its mouth
Speaker 2: and it sheds its skin, it sheds its coverings and
Speaker 2: there it is. It's gold and shimmering and you know,
Speaker 2: like diamonds. I mean, this thing was supernatural. And what
Speaker 2: happens Adam walked straight over to it and picks it
Speaker 2: up in the beginning of the film, and then later
Speaker 2: we see that King Ogg wears it wrapped around his
Speaker 2: arm like a bracelet, and it is the signet ring.
Speaker 2: This is the crown. This shows everybody who's in charge.
Speaker 2: And in that film, Ogg sneaks onto the boat. Ham
Speaker 2: discovers him, and Ham is like kind of like Gollum.
Speaker 2: He sees this shiny gold skin and he's obsessed with it.
Speaker 2: If you remember, he just like when Ogg would be asleep,
Speaker 2: he would just stare at it and wanted to get it,
Speaker 2: And at one point he even gets brave enough to
Speaker 2: try to steal it, and Dog wakes up and grabs
Speaker 2: him by the throat and he says, this is for
Speaker 2: a man, and you are not a man yet, and
Speaker 2: then throws him down. And then later him and Noah.
Speaker 2: Ogg and Noah get in a fight and Ham has
Speaker 2: to pick aside. So Ham stabs Ogg in the back
Speaker 2: and Og turns around and he's bleeding out, you know,
Speaker 2: bleeding out of his mouth, and he says, now you're
Speaker 2: a man, and he hands him that snake skin.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And then in that movie it depicts Noah being drunk
Speaker 2: and that Ham walks up and sees him, and you
Speaker 2: remember it shows him throw something down and walk away.
Speaker 2: He throws that bag that had that snake skin. So
Speaker 2: he was in the film walking away from his birthright
Speaker 2: and that signet. And the movie ends with Noah wrapping
Speaker 2: that snake skin around his arm, and what does he say.
Speaker 2: He says, this is the birthright given to Adam. We
Speaker 2: are told to be fruitful and multiply and have dominion
Speaker 2: over the earth, he said, And now I passed this
Speaker 2: blessing to you, and the head of the serpent was
Speaker 2: on his finger, and he takes it and he touches
Speaker 2: those two newborn babies, and as he does, that snake
Speaker 2: skin just glows and lights up, and that's entering.
Speaker 3: I have to rewatch it because obviously when I watch
Speaker 3: it back then, I didn't have this, uh this viewpoint,
Speaker 3: you know. Wow. Yeah, yeah, we went into a lot
Speaker 3: of crazy stuff this show man, this is awesome, very interesting.
Speaker 3: So wow, well I think we're we probably covered enough,
Speaker 3: you know, Uh, I think we covered enough and then
Speaker 3: maybe until next time. But uh yeah, wow, very interesting stuff.
Speaker 3: So guys, please, yeah, if you could shout out your show,
Speaker 3: is there anything else? I always ask everybody what else?
Speaker 3: Is there anything else that you would like to to
Speaker 3: tell the audience? Obviously you don't want to give them
Speaker 3: too much because you know, obviously you want people to
Speaker 3: purchase the book as well. Is there anything any last
Speaker 3: words justin that you want to tell our audience and
Speaker 3: and and then obviously shout out everything you could shout
Speaker 3: out to so they.
Speaker 4: Can find you.
Speaker 2: No, man, uh, I think that if you're into history
Speaker 2: and some of the things that we were talking about today, uh,
Speaker 2: you're going to really enjoy the book, and far as Esau,
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to find a better research
Speaker 2: book on the subject far as getting into the mindset
Speaker 2: of the people of that time, because this was basically
Speaker 2: my two year obsession. I read the nine book series
Speaker 2: of Lewis Ginsburg Legends of the Jews. I read all
Speaker 2: the extra biblical books and really took the time and
Speaker 2: went through great minds like Gary Wayne and what they thought,
Speaker 2: and basically just took all these pieces from all these
Speaker 2: bright people and individuals and ancient stories and weave this
Speaker 2: narrative together. But had the Bible as my anchor. If
Speaker 2: it went with the Biblical text, didn't contradict the Biblical text,
Speaker 2: and it fit in perfectly parallel and answered questions that
Speaker 2: maybe the Bible had just kind of omitted or just
Speaker 2: assumed that the people at that time knew. I kept
Speaker 2: it and I added it, and I think that you
Speaker 2: can read it hand in hand and get a lot
Speaker 2: of questions answered, maybe even some questions you didn't even
Speaker 2: realize that you had. But I do speculate in the book,
Speaker 2: but I come right out and I say it. So
Speaker 2: if I anything I talk about in the book is
Speaker 2: full of just Bible versus. I don't leave it for
Speaker 2: you to look it up on your own. If I
Speaker 2: mentioned something, boom already is word for word and what
Speaker 2: translation it is, and why I believe what I believe,
Speaker 2: And you might you might not agree with all my assessments.
Speaker 2: But but I come right out and tell you, hey,
Speaker 2: this is my opinion, this is my hypothesis, and here's
Speaker 2: the Biblical text to enforce why I believe what I believe.
Speaker 2: But so if you can, if you like a good
Speaker 2: mind stretch man, I think you enjoyed it. Check it out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that. That's exactly where to do it.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Jason kind of found uh. I remember Chuck
Speaker 4: Misters said something about ramez. It's like, uh, we'll see
Speaker 4: the top layer of the of the of a of
Speaker 4: a river, but there's always that bottom that there's a
Speaker 4: bottom part that that means so much more. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, like you find this little special trinket and
Speaker 4: then you go with it and like you said, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's your opinion, but you're backing up with with with
Speaker 4: with fat, with facts and and and you're you're taking
Speaker 4: a lot of different people's knowledge and putting it together.
Speaker 4: And because Gary Wayne, Yeah, he's he goes through all
Speaker 4: of the the the genealogies of all that stuff and
Speaker 4: and you could take that to the bank and it's
Speaker 4: like wow. And he's he's telling you like you're you're
Speaker 4: you're gonna go study this stuff. And it's and this
Speaker 4: is how I started becoming more of a believer and
Speaker 4: more believing that Bible is super real. It is because
Speaker 4: of this reason. Is because going into stuff that you're
Speaker 4: going into and going, oh man, dude, that's a that
Speaker 4: that makes a lot of sense, that makes a lot
Speaker 4: of sense. And maybe because I remember David. I think
Speaker 4: David torres sells garment. I mean, why is there always
Speaker 4: like a like a thing like that when you you
Speaker 4: you do something like that, it's always means like something
Speaker 4: like that's it's not good to do like you tear
Speaker 4: so because I think saw not a garment, but it
Speaker 4: did say that like you've been tearing of a garment.
Speaker 4: Because when you came into the k or where he
Speaker 4: was sleeping and came in and let him know that
Speaker 4: he was actually could I could have killed you, but
Speaker 4: I didn't. But there there's I never seen any other
Speaker 4: thing in the Bible about about uh an actual garment.
Speaker 4: But I do see a lot of it where it's
Speaker 4: talking about how you shed your your it's kind of
Speaker 4: even being you know, shedding the worldly things and shedding
Speaker 4: your your fleshley, your fleshly body and becoming a more
Speaker 4: spiritual person. You know, you're shedding that garment off you.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be a full cloak or something
Speaker 4: like you said, it's a little skin or whatever, like
Speaker 4: a single it or and and uh, it makes you.
Speaker 4: It makes me. It makes me feel like I'm a
Speaker 4: like like I'm doing something good, Like I'm on the
Speaker 4: right track when I'm doing this stuff. So it's it's
Speaker 4: an amazing thing. And I appreciate you. And like I said,
Speaker 4: the cover of your book is sick. I was looking
Speaker 4: out last time. I think I'm gonna it's on like
Speaker 4: twenty bucks on Amazon. I think I'm gonna roll that
Speaker 4: and beat it. Check it out, because that's interesting, you know,
Speaker 4: because I like the bookie, you know, I like Joshure,
Speaker 4: I like Jubilees.
Speaker 3: I like.
Speaker 4: I like the Apocrypha because just because it's not in
Speaker 4: the Bible, it's written the same. All this stuff is
Speaker 4: like the language is the same, the the concept is
Speaker 4: the same. And I never read the Book of joshure Uh.
Speaker 4: I've heard of it, but I never I never really
Speaker 4: got into it. But not now that you you write
Speaker 4: up and go right into that and check it out.
Speaker 2: Now I have my Kaiser said it doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be divine inspired to be important for historal history and
Speaker 2: for cultural context. I use this analogy a lot because
Speaker 2: I think it makes a lot of sense to and
Speaker 2: for those people, because I mean, I know there are
Speaker 2: Christians that say, you know, it's not in the Bible,
Speaker 2: you should throw it away, and so the day you know,
Speaker 2: and things like that. So this is the kind of
Speaker 2: analogy that I use. I tell people, if we had
Speaker 2: a scholar write a big old book, the Histories of America,
Speaker 2: and there was some kind of great cataclysm wiped out
Speaker 2: our civilization, and then a thousand and two thousand years later,
Speaker 2: somebody comes over and starts digging, and they find this book,
Speaker 2: the Histories of America, and they keep digging, and close
Speaker 2: to it, they find a Cosmopolitan magazine or a sports
Speaker 2: illustrated magazine or you know whatever. I hope that they
Speaker 2: don't take the mindset of those type of Christians and
Speaker 2: be like, it's not in the histories of America. Throw
Speaker 2: it away, burn it, we shouldn't read it. No, that
Speaker 2: might not be the histories of America, but there's gonna
Speaker 2: be all kinds of facts, knowledge and wisdom and perspective
Speaker 2: to be gained of our people how we live. Will
Speaker 2: we thought what we were doing, and they will probably
Speaker 2: feeling gaps that that histories of America didn't have. It
Speaker 2: will help you better understand that histories of America. And
Speaker 2: that's how I view these extra biblical texts.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, also because I use it as a historical
Speaker 4: value because if the Bible's talking about it, you know,
Speaker 4: and they're and and and they took around to to
Speaker 4: to record this stuff because it looks sounds pretty important.
Speaker 4: And then you look at other books that are written
Speaker 4: at that time and there's talking about the same people
Speaker 4: in that are in power, uh the same uh historical
Speaker 4: historical lincoin, we line it up with the with the Bible.
Speaker 4: It lines right up. It's like, okay, well, maybe there's
Speaker 4: a reason why they maybe they wanted that out of
Speaker 4: the Bible, you know, maybe they didn't want it in
Speaker 4: there because it was tied everything together. You know, there's
Speaker 4: there's certain things like that's always wondered, like everyone's always says,
Speaker 4: why did Why isn't the giants talk about more throughout
Speaker 4: the Bible? I was like, well, you gotta understand this
Speaker 4: is written back then. They already knew about them, they
Speaker 4: knew exactly what they were, and they did not want
Speaker 4: any business with it, and and and it says in there,
Speaker 4: don't don't get too don't get too caught up and
Speaker 4: all that stuff. I mean, it's good to it's good
Speaker 4: to help fortify your your your your faith because you're like, dang,
Speaker 4: this is this is actually, this is this is real.
Speaker 4: You know, like this stuff was actually going on, and
Speaker 4: but it's it's it's also important not to give it
Speaker 4: too too much of your how you would say, like
Speaker 4: you know, like when you when you give too much
Speaker 4: homage to something like I don't think God wants you
Speaker 4: to be you know. That's why it's like when you yes,
Speaker 4: or like you said, like you did look up and
Speaker 4: go oh look at Saturn or look at You're looking
Speaker 4: up and you're saying, oh, look at uh Neptune, look
Speaker 4: at this and stuff. You're mentioning a god's name and
Speaker 4: you're and you're you're giving it like it's it's actually
Speaker 4: like that's that's what it is. It's like I don't
Speaker 4: think God wants you to do that, Like okay, there
Speaker 4: wasn't net fhlim, there was this, there was that, And
Speaker 4: some people that's what gets them intrigued, like Okay, what
Speaker 4: does this mean? I gotta find out what that is?
Speaker 4: And that's how it got me started to li like
Speaker 4: in the Bible. And that's and and it opened my
Speaker 4: ears and my eyes up to so much more different
Speaker 4: things in the Bible because you get to judges and
Speaker 4: kings and like all that stuff in the Old Testament.
Speaker 4: You're like, man, dude, like other people don't like to
Speaker 4: read this stuff because they think is so boring. But
Speaker 4: when you go through judges, like all these guys are
Speaker 4: like comic book heroes that God gave you know, special
Speaker 4: power zoo to to basically you know, go do their
Speaker 4: go do his bidding. But it's it's it's it's just
Speaker 4: it's just it's just crazy to me. That's what it
Speaker 4: makes me excited to read the Bible. I mean, if
Speaker 4: you made a movie about something like this, or you know,
Speaker 4: and and did a really good job of it. You
Speaker 4: might you could probably bring a whole bunch of people
Speaker 4: and be like, oh, man, I didn't know that about
Speaker 4: the Bible. I didn't think about that in the Bible.
Speaker 4: And that's also very good. And and that's I think
Speaker 4: you're you're doing good job with that. You because I
Speaker 4: saw some of your comments comments about your book and stuff.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people liked it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and uh, I think it's maybe maybe the
Speaker 3: reason why some of this stuff is hidden. There's an
Speaker 3: agenda behind it, because obviously we are three witnesses of God,
Speaker 3: we're three vessels used by God, and we are aware
Speaker 3: of this stuff and look at it kind of lights
Speaker 3: a fire up under you. And it kind of just
Speaker 3: like I think with a lot of the stuff we learn, obviously,
Speaker 3: it lights a fire. And then and then you start
Speaker 3: unraveling things that that are that are that make the
Speaker 3: Bible come alive more. Does the devil want that? No,
Speaker 3: he wants he wants to separate you from everything in
Speaker 3: the Book of Genesis and all this stuff. And obviously
Speaker 3: we see in school they have all this stuff that
Speaker 3: that's going to separate you from that block walls between
Speaker 3: you and even the creation and even evolution and even
Speaker 3: big Bang. It's separating you from even the very first
Speaker 3: pages of the Bible, you know, So I do think
Speaker 3: that I think it's that's probably what's happening. But yeah,
Speaker 3: what an awesome episode. I really appreciate you coming on
Speaker 3: and go ahead, Jason, what's up?
Speaker 4: Because I was gonna say, because if you think about
Speaker 4: like the like the stories of these uh like Greek
Speaker 4: gods and stories of like Hercules and stuff like that
Speaker 4: they go through. That stuff gives to people it's interesting.
Speaker 4: They watch it. It's it's been going off. They've been
Speaker 4: listening stories for years and years and years and years
Speaker 4: and years because it gives them that little fantasy or whatever.
Speaker 4: I think and think like, wow, man, what if this stuff?
Speaker 4: What if what if Zeus was real? What if uh,
Speaker 4: you know, Thoria was real? What are these these people?
Speaker 4: That's just this is crazy. Those stories, those stories passed
Speaker 4: down for generations and you just took a hold. And
Speaker 4: if you believe in that stuff, you don't believe, you're
Speaker 4: not you're not worshiping God. You know that that's kind
Speaker 4: of takes you away from it. And that's what for me.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna if you're gonna if you can get
Speaker 4: somebody's you know, heart going and and mind going and
Speaker 4: and and wanting to research the Bible and actually, you know,
Speaker 4: believe it and start become a believer out of it.
Speaker 4: I think you're gonna make a lot of believers out
Speaker 4: of out of out of these stories, out of this,
Speaker 4: out of this Bible. If people made a lot more movies,
Speaker 4: a lot more things out like that to bring you know,
Speaker 4: these these kids nowadays, they don't want to go to
Speaker 4: church and read these books. I mean I didn't want
Speaker 4: to do it. On as a kid. I was like, man, Dad,
Speaker 4: why the why are you making me read Joseph Begat
Speaker 4: this and and this guy? I don't care about that stuff, dude,
Speaker 4: It's stupid. And then when you get older, you're like, oh, dude,
Speaker 4: there's there's there's a there's a there's a mystery and
Speaker 4: to unlock in the genealogies and and just even the
Speaker 4: differences between Matthew's genealogy and Luke's genealogy of Jesus. Mark
Speaker 4: didn't have a genealogy because it was his version of
Speaker 4: a serpent servant, But there's other parts of it like
Speaker 4: why did he why did he go this way in
Speaker 4: this route? Why did he go? Why was uh? Why
Speaker 4: do you take this route through this person's lineage? And
Speaker 4: it's like wow. Then you go back to Jeremiah, you
Speaker 4: find it already, go back somewhere else and find it.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh wow, that's uh, it's pretty significant because
Speaker 4: to get the Messiah you have a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: going on that that is very wrong, sinful, things like
Speaker 4: Judah with with with with tam tam nard uh came
Speaker 4: through and that is also a prophecy in the and
Speaker 4: it says the tenth generation will be the one that
Speaker 4: will get uh, you know, be blessed and and and
Speaker 4: and David comes ten generations after after Frez And that's
Speaker 4: how crazy that stuff is, dude, And like, how do
Speaker 4: you get how do you get these these people? Like
Speaker 4: so it's so like it's God's like, don't mess with
Speaker 4: this person, stay away from that person, don't it. But
Speaker 4: they come together and it makes something really great and
Speaker 4: that's and that's that's awesome. I think that's that's awesome.
Speaker 4: That's how God works. He's like, I'll take the crappiest
Speaker 4: stuff script and I'll make it make it into uh
Speaker 4: into something really great, really great.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, all right, so I looked justin I can
Speaker 3: tell that you got something going. I also my my
Speaker 3: my house's wakes off as well. That's all look so
Speaker 3: well perfect, all right. So yeah, so shout out your
Speaker 3: shout out your YouTube, shout out your Instagram, and then uh,
Speaker 3: and then also where they could find your book and
Speaker 3: then email me a link to your book as soon
Speaker 3: as we get off your here, so I could I
Speaker 3: can put it in those show notes and then okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah and in prayer. Yeah, just uh yeah, man, check
Speaker 2: us out. Uh kind of coined the my show that
Speaker 2: the hero's journey you got you gotta go into the unknown,
Speaker 2: slay the dragon, rescue the damsel'll hoard up some treasure,
Speaker 2: and then come out on the other end as a hero.
Speaker 2: But he your journey's not over yet, because all great journeys,
Speaker 2: when you get this prize of great wealth, you have
Speaker 2: to turn around and come back to humanity and bless
Speaker 2: humanity with this prize of great wealth that you've earned,
Speaker 2: and symbolically, allegorically that is the fire right. And you
Speaker 2: come back and you give that prize of great wealth
Speaker 2: to someone else and you start them on their heroes journey,
Speaker 2: So come join us on the hero's journey. I'm on YouTube, Spotify, Apple,
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Speaker 2: media is just search up prometheous Lyn's podcast. I'm pretty active.
Speaker 2: I usually put up sometimes two to three reels a day,
Speaker 2: so lots of little knowledge nuggets and entertainment infotainment. I
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Speaker 4: Yeah, where are you from? Dude? Where do you? Where
Speaker 4: do you live at Texas or something?
Speaker 3: Or No.
Speaker 2: I'm a heel billy man. I'm from the apple Latchian
Speaker 2: heels at East Tennessee.
Speaker 4: Oh right on, man, right on. My family our family
Speaker 4: is from Kentucky, so oh yeah, you get me out
Speaker 4: there when I go over there. When I when I
Speaker 4: go over with them, instantly I start talking that way.
Speaker 4: It's weird. It's like it just comes right in. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 4: how you doing. It's like what did you say? I
Speaker 4: come back, like, why are you talking like that? I
Speaker 4: was like, it's been out a holmuch from my family members,
Speaker 4: And it's cool. It sounds it's like cool ass slang
Speaker 4: talk man.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 4: It's like.
Speaker 2: You got a twying.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, so yes, thank you so much. Man.
Speaker 3: My kids are about to come downstairs and it's gonna
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be allowed. So all right, So what
Speaker 3: we always do, we're gonna end this in prayer, so
Speaker 3: let's do that. So Father God in the name of Jesus, H.
Speaker 3: We appreciate everything you do for us. Thank you so
Speaker 3: much for this glorious time. And God, there's so much
Speaker 3: to unpack on what we just talked about, and we
Speaker 3: appreciate you giving this these uh, these breadcrumbs for us
Speaker 3: to follow.
Speaker 5: Lord.
Speaker 3: And and I just asked that anybody that's listening that
Speaker 3: maybe has any questions, you know, help them to dig
Speaker 3: into the word like like we're trying to do. Lord,
Speaker 3: And we appreciate you using us as vessels, uh and
Speaker 3: trusting us with with your flock, you know, to be
Speaker 3: able to teach stuff like this. So I just pray
Speaker 3: that you you bless uh Justin's book and and you
Speaker 3: assist him and to get in on as much shows
Speaker 3: as possible so that people can And what he's trying
Speaker 3: to do is just open up people's mind and to
Speaker 3: things like we were talking about and bring the Bible alive.
Speaker 3: Even though you don't need us to do that, Lord,
Speaker 3: but just to trust us with that is just so awesome.
Speaker 3: We appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Lord.
Speaker 3: Anybody that's listening that has any issues going on, any strongholds, Lord,
Speaker 3: like I always ask if you could just break the
Speaker 3: chains and assist them.
Speaker 4: In their life.
Speaker 3: Lord, they need that, So thank you so much for
Speaker 3: everything you do for us. We appreciate you, Lord, and
Speaker 3: Jesus name Amen. So all right Lord Lord, all right, Bro,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming on. And Jason, thank you,
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