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Speaker 5: It's up? Cliff, are you doing? I'm good, I'm.
Speaker 2: Doing okay Man. Just cruising on a Monday morning, looking
forward to a very short week this week. I've got
this to do today obviously, then gotta do some preparation things.
I'm dealing with a lot of cast stuff lately with
the influx of new material from another historic collection that
was obtained. And tomorrow going to the woods. Gonna go
to Ploying LDR where my friends saw a sasquatch just
a few weeks ago at one of the research areas
that we have been kind of kicking around a little bit.
So I'm going to go to the woods tomorrow. Wednesday,
got the big Farmers Market with Chad Hamill. Looking forward
to that selling some iced tea. I guess I have
an interview that morning on some for some NPR station
out in like the South somewhere Louisiana or Texas or
somewhere and I can't remember where. And then Thursday going
to Florida doing the big Foot Conference out there whatever
that's called Great America, Great Florida, Big Great something big
Foot conference out there in Florida Thursday to Sunday. So cool, busy, busy,
busy as usual.
Speaker 5: Oh you know what. I was at the story yesterday
and this cool guy came up to me Native dude.
He starts talking to me like he's you know, we're
saying goodbye, and he goes, oh yeah, he said something about, well,
you know, I got them hairs when I I think
I hit one. I was like, what, like you didn't
tell me right out, like it was like the last
thing you brought it. And he is leaving me to
talking for a while. So yeah, down by Northold Laytonville,
he hit one last year and he's got four long hairs.
He thinks that the it's got the where's not that she's.
Speaker 2: Follow the fall col Yeah, all the cole or not.
He should send it to Derby.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get it sent out there this week.
Speaker 2: That would be fantastic. Yeah, I mean you should either
get a hold of it if you think the guy
might not have the follow through.
Speaker 5: Now this guy, dude, he's like full professional, Like he's
like a not a big week with the tribe, but
he's he works with like federal tribes all over the place,
Like he's like a specialist. But he's been living here
for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: I guess that'd be great because generally speaking, the process
is to send an email to Derby through his website,
and then in a week or two or three, whenever
he gets ecaler's his schedule enough, he usually emails backer calls,
and they do an interview and then they send the
hair in. That's what I believe the sampling process is.
So some people get pretty frustrated because it's not an
immediate response because you know, they have a bigfoot hair
and that's the most important thing in the world, Whereas
Derby has like six projects in a full class load
and family and all this other stuff. So sometimes it
takes a second to get back, which would be understandable,
but I'm just saying that a lot if you didn't
have the follow through or the patience, it might be
a good idea to get that hair.
Speaker 5: So he's cool as how. I'm sending to keep.
Speaker 2: Too sure, Yeah, sending as much as he could, you know,
as much as he can. That would be fantastic. Get
this out.
Speaker 5: I just wish you could wipe the car down ed
and a kid.
Speaker 2: Well, the hair should be enough, honestly, the hair should
be enough.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's got that follicle.
Speaker 2: Even if it doesn't, even if it doesn't, he has.
There's a lot of stuff happening out there. I had
a conversation with Darby last week and again we kind
of talked about how the Bigfoot community is a little
impatient in general. But but but yeah, good things are happening,
and he's got great people working on this hair thing.
There's a lot moving right now. So there's some or
some cool, cool progress being made right now. Now is
the time to send in any hair as anybody's sitting on.
So absolutely get that going.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that was cool, you know, talking here and
now I was like, nice, So they have a pretty pumped.
Speaker 2: That is cool. That is cool.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: You haven't been in PDX lately, have you? The airport bubbo?
Speaker 5: No, I haven't flown out of Portland in a lot
since the shell. I haven't flown out of there.
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, that quite a while. Well, there's some interesting
news coming out of there. There is a really cool
chainsaw carving sort of thing in the baggage area of PDX.
If anybody's flown in Routher lately, you probably have seen it.
It was sponsored by Powell's Book Books, which is a
great fantastic bookstore here in Portland. There's a carving of
a sasquatch reading a book wearing reading glasses in the
whole nine It was actually part of the world's largest
cuckoo clock at one point. You know how cuckoo clocks
are very ornate and they have various carvings and all
this other stuff all over it. This is just one
segment of perhaps eight or twelve or something that was
on this giant cuckoo clock at one point, and for
some reason it ended up in the baggage claim of PDX.
Speaker 5: How big is it?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's I don't know, eight feet, it's for life
size and it's awesome. I just I just texted you
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show notes. But I guess the reason I bring this up,
this statue, this carving, is that they're done with it
at PDX and it is coming to live permanently at
the North American big Foot Center.
Speaker 5: No what pull off.
Speaker 2: They asked me, would I like it? And I said, yes, way, Yeah,
it was pretty pretty painless. Honestly, I think I think
it was travel organ See, there's two big tourism folks
or entities here in Oregon that are always doing great
things for us, travel Oregon and of course Mount Hood Territories.
And I get them. I get them confused because they're
just they do the exact same thing, which is promote
tourism in Oregon, and one's more specific to my area.
But they're both just great, great entities and they do
wonderful things for us, and I help them out. Every
chance I get, and I think I think this one's
travel organ And again, anybody who's employed by either of
these organizations, forgive me for not being able to tell
you a part. But at the same at the end
of the day, you know, if you're in the hospital
and you have a team of nurses, you may not
remember all their names individually. You just like the nurses
help me. They're all cool, right, So anyway, this organization
I think it was. I think it's travel organ They're
actually kicking down for the moving of it and everything.
They're going to deliver it right to my doorstep, and
then we have to figure out a place to put
it inside the NABC because our walls are pretty full
at the NABC. But boy, this it is so beautiful
and such a great piece of art.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't leave it outside. That one was too nice.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I wouldn't leave it outside. Now it's
just too great of a piece of art. I mean
as part of it, Like it's like, legit, the world's
largest cuckoo clock, and that's that's my kind of world record.
You know, I'm cuckoo for cuckoo clocks.
Speaker 5: It's for a bandballing necks or something.
Speaker 2: Oh, that'd be cool too. That'd be cool too if
it was in the bigfoot shape. But yeah, nonetheless, So
that's coming to live at the NABC. We need to
like hook it to the ground because of seismic regulations
and all this other stuff. But it's going to be
a big hassle and totally worth every every ounce that
we give of effort. So pretty excited about that. That
news came to me this week.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Other than that, I don't know. I got a couple
of weeks away, got small town monsters in town. Pretty
excited about that set there. Yes, that's going to come out,
the whole gang, the whole gang. They're going to come
out and trying to hook them up with a couple
of old timers to interview them about the history of
the area and stuff like that. And we're going to
be doing something in the museum or the woods. I
don't know what it is yet, it doesn't matter to me.
I just like hanging out with those folks. Got contacted
by another production company that might be filming with me
for a day around that time. I'll tell you about
that after it happens, after I'm allowed to talk about
it a little bit.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: We have a project going at the Willow Creek Museum
between my museum and the one down there that houses
the Bob Tipmas collection. Much of the historic early Bluff
Creek evidence is present in that museum. They're revamping and
redesigning the thing over this coming winter. So I'm helping
them along the way with that anyway that any and
I'm not guiding them, but any I'm just offering advice.
I'm giving them copies digital copies of my displays about
their artifacts so they can kind of, you know, adapt
them to fit their own style and color scheme and
information and all that sort of stuff. They reached out
to me asking me, hey, when you coming down to
copy some more of these casts, because if you're not enough,
if you didn't if you didn't know, the Willow Creek
Museum has now given our museum, the NABC permission to
sell their footprint casts, and of course we give them
a very hefty royalty, about twice the standard rate because
i want them to succeed, and I'm such a strong
supporter and proponent of the Willow Creek Museum. I've doubled
the royalty because they so they get a piece of
every single footprint cast that we sell of their items.
Of course, of the Bob Timmas collection, which currently involves
the High imp Palm cast, those two odd ones that
Bob Timmas touch while it was in the ground, there's
another larger cast that has that. There's photographs of those
particular prints drying in the ground with Bob tipmos kneeling
down next to it, courtesy of doctor Russ Jones who
got them from a patient name Edie Gardner I believe
her name was. It was Edie's mother's and father's property
out in High Impalm that those tracks showed up on.
So that picture has been in their family collection all
these years. And of course all this stuff is on
display at the North American Big for Center if you
ever want to come in and check it out. But
the Willow Creek Museum, you know, reached out to me
and said, hey, when you going to come down and
copy more of these casts, thinking, oh, that's one of
the fantastic thing. So I'm going to be allowed to
copy footprint casts housed in the Willow Creek Museum that
no one has ever copied before, and they will be
available through the NABC so that's pretty cool. And that
includes the Patterson Gimlin casts, those ten in a row
that Bob Timmos cast at the location.
Speaker 5: You have eight of those already, eight of.
Speaker 2: Those, well, I have the two that Roger and Bob cast,
and then as far as the ten that Tipmos cast,
actually he seems to have cast eleven, by the way,
but the ten are in one set, and there's another
loose one that Dan Prez. Daniel Prez on this very
podcast commented that I think John Green casually commented to
him at the Willow Creek celebration back in the day
that there was another one that Bob Tipmos gave to
a lady friend, and there is a loose cast that
is absolutely from that trackway or from that same foot
that made that trackway, and it's kind of loosen around.
But anyway, if you include the two that Roger and
Bob cast, I have molds for just four of the
other ones. Three from the ten and then that stray
one that's unusual that no one's quite sure where it
came from. So I've got so those two, so six total,
But the other ones have never been copied, and I'm
not so sure I can or will copy them because
handling them is pretty rough at this point. They're very
very thin. They're made of plaster of Paris, which kind
of slowly kind of deteriorates over time. I mean, they
really should be copied, of course, but if they're not
going to survive the copying process, then they should not
be copied. R I've got to make that judgment call
when i'm there. But those larger you know, that large
high im palm cast, only one of those has been
copied before. Then it is certainly the same animal or
a closely related animal, but I think it's probably the
same animal that left the Jerry Crew tracks in October
nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 5: Yeah, an a three D printer clev.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, probably should someday, and definitely we've talked about
that at the museum. Yeah, because I'm going to scan
all of those, certainly do a three D scans of
all this stuff while I'm there, because I'll you know,
i'll have the run of the museum for two days.
Well they're closed. They're gonna be closed Mondays and Tuesdays
throughout the summer, and so I'll be in there one
of these Mondays and Tuesdays, so I let you know
when I'm down there, we can go to the woods
or something. And you know, so it's kind of fun
if I love because you know, I love casts. I'm
somewhat of a footprint cast connoisseur. I just love all
this sort of stuff. And so to be allowed and
trusted in working on a project with the Willow Creek
Museum for both of our benefits, it's just what a joy,
what an honor that is for you know, thirty years ago,
you know, fledgling Cliff bigfooter out there, could have never
dreamt that I would have such an honor to participate
in such a historical thing. So I'm very very pleased
about that. So yeah, if anybody is looking for cool casts,
the NABC has some that are not legally allowed to
be seld anywhere else. So if you are looking for legal,
excellent copies of any of these casts, feel free to
buy them from the NABC. It helps everybody.
Speaker 5: I got some good bootleg copies. Contact the bows.
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Both, Let Uncle Sam mix his plaster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, let Ink tell you what to do.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: You know, since it is our monthly Q and A
and you've been talking about casts, I do have the
perfect first question as a good segue for everything you
just described, So pulling them a bit out of order,
but I thought this would be perfect to go along
with that discussion.
Speaker 2: Would you like to start it off, Bobo?
Speaker 5: Sure, this is from Corey Bickline. Can you give me
a best guess of how many credible truck or hampering
cast pictures and videos can be found in the public domain?
Not looking for miracles, more of an estimate of the
quantity of extant pieces of evidence without things that exist
out of public view.
Speaker 2: Well, there's there. This might be a language issue here,
but you specifically said public domain, which has a legal
definition of you're legally allowed to use that photograph in
publications without asking permission. That's what public domain actually means.
So I'm not sure you actually meant that or not,
or if you're just like available.
Speaker 5: On the Internet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think publicly available.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, yeah, that's what I want to get out
because because public domain stuff goes into public domains, what
is it fifty or seventy years after the person's death,
who owns it or something like that, you know, so
that that's a separate question, I guess. But apparently I'm
guessing you probably didn't mean that. So credible track or
handprint casts, we'll just start there. I'm thinking of, you know,
like my collection, because that is the largest footprint cast
collection in the world. Unquestionably. Tom Shae might be the
only person who has something close to this, and I
think he has two or three hundred casts, but I
think that my mind number around four or five hundred
at the point at this point, because I've got a
lot of other casts in there, like a Rank Pindeck
things have that stuff from Europe. I've got human prints,
I've got fakes in there. I've got everything you can
imagine in there. But as far as credible tracks that
I think are real, I don't know. Three hundred or so,
but that's just that's cast and that probably includes handprints
three or three fifty maybe four somewhere in there between
three and four hundred. I think it would be a
reasonable guest pictures. That's a whole different thing.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: I've got probably I've got a whole file on my
computer of nothing but photographs of footprints and impressions in
the ground. I bet you I have another five hundred
or a thousand or more or something like that. Yeah,
I think that's probably a reasonable guess. We'll just say
between one and two thousand if you include all the
tracks and photographs. Now, mind you, I even though I
inherited doctor Meldrum's collection, I didn't I do not have
his digital files. There was some hold up with the
because a lot of it was on the school computer,
and this school owns a computer, and there's privacy issues
with students and all this other stuff. So I did
not currently have the digital files. I hope to get
them someday when LORI gets them or whatever, but at
this moment I do not have them. So who knows
how many people sent photographs to Jeff, because I've I've
got a lot of physical photographs in the Meldrum collection
of footprints and the Krantz collection too. He had a
lot of stuff, and generally back in the nineties, it
seems that it was probably the very very end of
the days when scientists would use slides instead of digital pictures.
Because a lot of the stuff that I have from Grover,
from Grover Krantz and the early Meldrum stuff was on
slide films, so you had to put in a projector
and show it and that kind of thing. Yeah, I
would between one and two thousand is my final answer,
although that may be a little conservative. I think it
might be more than two thousand. Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 5: It says what you count too, I mean, does it
have to show toes? Is that what's the cutoff? Like,
so at least a healing a toe or two toes
or you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he has a pretty squishy question. That's not
a bad question at all, Korey, That's not what I mean.
But the answers are a little squishy. I think that
is hard to give even a close estimate. But I
don't know. I think two thousand it's probably a fairly
reasonable estimate. I think. In keeping with cast talk, here's
your next written question and it is from Nick Kieran,
Hey Klobo and Matt longtime listener from Northern Utah and
aspiring pigeon. Here. I am watching the new NABC video
and I had a question, do you think sasquatches ever
return to a location where you've casted their prints? And
they notice the plaster remnants on the ground, eh, as
they certainly returned to areas where I have casted them.
They certainly do that, because I've cast them more than
once within ten feet of each other, probably three or
five times now, at least at least that many. Without
even trying to think about it, about going to the
depths of my memory, I can think of three to
five of these things easy. So I know they return
to the same spots. But the question is do I
think they notice any plaster remnants on the ground. Well,
first of all, try I try to take all the
plaster remnants I can, because to me, that's litter, and
littering is one of those unforgivable sins. For me, that's
something you don't do. It just shows what quality of
person you are.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: And if you do litter. By the way, if you're
listening and you're in go oh, clif's dark on me. Yeah,
I'm dark on you. But you can do better. You know,
you can change, You can pick up your litter. Do that,
It's easy. It makes you a better person. Anyway, I
try to get all the plaster I can out of
the area. I don't succeed all the time, and I
know that when I go back sometimes I do see
that maybe rain has come and washed away some of
the dirt that was hiding the plaster before, and then
I try to pick that stuff up too, So I
try not to leave much for them to see. But
it's not so much for them, it's actually for other people.
I don't want other people to know that I'm casting
footprints in an area. But I don't think sasquatches understand casting.
I just don't think that they have that level of intellect.
I think that they might know why is that guy
interested in that over there? I think that they can
understand they have those kinds of questions, like what's up
with that guy?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 2: Why does he care about a footprint? What does he
about my footprint? But I don't think they understand the
plaster part very well, just like I don't. I personally
don't think they understand cameras. I think that they see
a human holding something and know that it can't be
good whatever that human is up to. But I don't
think they understand photography. That's a huge stretch that might
they might, but I don't think they do well.
Speaker 5: Some of the some of them have definitely seen images
of a sound squatch on a TV people are watching TV.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think they understand TV either, you know.
I mean that's just me, but I mean some people
think that they understand you know, calculus, but I don't.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm not saying that. I'm saying I think
they can recognize themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure, yeah, I think they might even recognize
themselves in US, you know, like like why do they
walk around like I do and that kind of like us,
but look so different, you.
Speaker 5: Know, like sutting up, because I've gotten a couple more
reports to people putting those plywood cutoffs of the squatch
and having get torn down.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Tom Shay used a dummy that a mannequin
in a fur coat, and it got pretty tore up
one time, I understand, if I remember the story correctly. Yeah,
so they understand that kind of stuff, but I don't
think they understand you know, plaster casts. And also generally speaking,
I don't really know that they've ever seen me examining
their footprints because when I'm out there, I don't It's
very rare that I'm out there, you know, within minutes,
I mean within minutes of a sighting, you know, like
that happened in April. I was out with friends and
two of the people I was with saw a sasquatch,
and I went up and examined the footprints closely afterwards
that one was probably maybe watching or something like that.
But if I just if I'm doing my regular routine
and run across a footprint of the ground, I have
no indication beyond just a guess when the sasquatch was there.
And I don't think it's necessarily constructive or destructive anyway
to think that it was their observing me at that time.
You know, I've been with people and the moment we
got out of a car, the moment we get out
of a car, they said to me, you know, they're
probably watching us right now. They say, well, why do
you think that? Why do you think that? I mean,
just because we arrived to a place. We could be anywhere,
and what what makes you think that they're here right now?
You know, like there's no information on It's just it's
it's a weird sort of version of the center of
the world, and therefore they must be watching me, you know,
not necessarily egotism, but maybe something like that. It's like,
I don't know people that. Yeah, it's like why why
would why would you think that they're watching you right now?
Speaker 5: I mean it's it's it's it's like if you're driving,
like there's one road in where one road out into
this valley, that makes sense. Yeah, then I'm like, yeah, okay,
they probably know we're here. Like there's there's a chance,
there's a good chance they know we're here. Like if
it's a big, big wib value and it's a good
good acoustics like you got to like a loud truck
like mine, you know they're going to know you're there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're aware that you're there. I could even believe
that even if but I think you should maybe couch
that statement with like, if there's one here now, it
knows we're here too, right, I think that's a very
appropriate sentence. But you know they're watching us right now? Well,
that that assumes a couple of things. Number One, that
they that they're in the area. Number Two, that watching
you implies with their eyes, And I don't think that's
really how they observe us most of the time. I
think the observers through the sounds we make and they're
very very good at keeping track of It's just like
mountain gorillas are very very good at keeping track of
one another, not by seeing each other, not by watching
each other, but by listening to where they go. And
I think sasquatches use that same skill set on us,
and that's why they know what we're up to all
the time. But nonetheless, but nonetheless, I don't think that
sasquatches are out there watching me when I'm out there.
I mean, they might be, I'm guessing I wouldn't be
at all surprised that one has seen me while I'm
out there, especially since I literally walked you know, I
was thirty feet away from these people when they saw
the saw one in April. But you know, for the
most part, I don't think they're watching me, So I
don't worry too much about that sort of stuff. Do
you guys think I should just I just.
Speaker 4: Think it's a general best rule, like if you're in
the environment hoping to have an observation, you have to
sort of act as if they're around.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think that's for sure. Yeah, because that
day when my friends saw those, my two friends saw one,
and I was thirty feet away from them. We had
zero indication that they were there that day, no tracks
on the road, no tracks off the road, and we
had no indication there was any around, and yet they
saw one. So I think it's a very good practice,
as you were saying, to assume that they're there. But
that doesn't change my behavior, really, I don't think in
any significant way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't assume they're there. I just conduct myself
as if they were there in the event that if
they are there, I've done something right, you know, Versus
if you're like, well, I'll be loud and noisy and
cough or you know, smoke SIGs or whatever, and then
I'll wait and hide. Once i hear some indication that
they're around, then I'll be problem Listen.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's like, no, it's just better to, you know,
treat it as if it's sasquatch laden until proven otherwise.
And you know, I've fallen victim to that many times.
So it's mostly a reminder to myself. There's been plenty
of times, you know, because most things are mundane, and
so you hear mundane things enough times and then you
hear movement, you go, yeah, that's probably a deer, an armadillo, whatever, whatever,
and ninety nine percent of the time it is. And
then sometimes something really squatchy happens afterwards and it runs
away and you think, oh, I probably should have gone
and looked when I heard the first indication, I might
have actually seen it. And so I always try to say, like,
just treat it as if it's sasquatch until proven innocent.
But it's probably not. But that's the you know, just
best practices for field activities. Sasquatch guilty. Here's something, go
look and they confirm that it's not. Versus assuming that
it's not again type two errors, which I'm very prone to.
It's like assuming that nothing extraordinary is happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, they're so subtle, man, you just never know
that they're there. It's nuts. Even the times I've known
they were there, they were absolutely there. Just to go
to look, going to look, it couldn't find them. Jerk's
stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: So here's a voicemail for you that I know the
Bobes has some experience with Hey Cliff, Hey Bobo.
Speaker 3: My name is norm I remember Claire from Sasquatch Chronicles.
She was from England and she encountered a group of
family group of Sasquatches, I guess in northern California. I'm
not sure if you remember that episode or what happened there,
but she was very, very believable. In fact is he
uses in his intro, I won't know which thoughts were
on that one. Let me know, thanks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I spoke to Claire several times. She's awesome first off,
like when she talks about it was a language, like
in Wes's opening It's so famous episode five one, five
five fifteen Soundsquatch Chronicles. I always recommend people that's listening
to that one. Yeah, we were doing a we started
a doc for a documentary on Bigfoot and big sur
and that's where hers took place. And I've been to
the I've been to that place several times. Yeah, I mean,
she's one of the most believable encounters everyone. She goes
they were speaking a language. Well, she's got a PhD
in ancient languages and she's fluent like in nine I
think it's nine languages and two extinct languages, like some
form of Greek or something like whatever. The Dead she's
she's one of the twelve people on the Dead Sea
Scrolls translation team, So I mean she's she's brilliant and
she knows exactly what she's talking about. And she also
found out she didn't know this when she was on
West's show. She found out just afterwards she'd have a
massive heart attack and they dated it. She had a
way to make her heart attack, which only like five
percent of people lived through. When they were going through
her medical records, it would have been like right around
that exactly at the same time when she had the sighting,
because she woke up the dragon like a drugger. She
says like a half mile or a mile or something whatever.
It wasn't that far. It was like two hundred yards
maybe like three hundred and fifty four hundred yards maybe,
but yeah, it's incredible that it happened to her in daylight.
And there were some things. There's the one thing that
I always think was a red flag was that the
two like minute will then in the one man in plaid,
there's the big guy in the in the smaller fatter guy,
the taller skinny guy than that were men in black
types that would show up like when people had sightings.
But she talks about that that was only that was
the only red flag on her whole her whole interview
a bit. I mean, she she was she and she
talks about she was. She's all the she's got all
the records for this, she's she's she documented everything as
well as she could. Oh yeah, she's. She had like
a bad flu type symptoms, which is another heart attack.
So like signed, she had every indication of a massive arttecle.
That's just what a badass she is. She finished her
job like she went. She traveled over like Canada or
something and flew to Europe like she was. She was
still working like and just she just felt like she
was on the door of death and everyone was asking
her what was wrong and yeah, and she she caught
some flack for sure about that. She kind of kept
it on the DL, but I think you know she's
she's kind of a little more open about it now.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I don't listen to any podcasts. I don't
know the story. I don't know anything about it. I
just know Wes as a guy. I don't listen to
the program or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Cliff, that's that's I mean, it's like not reading like
a John Green book going I don't I don't read books.
It's it's it's the one everyone. I mean, people quote
it all the time. If you ask people, if you
Askally Everage first, what's your favorite big Foot story you've
heard the witness tell she's like ninety percent of the
people's response.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. I know
Sarah is up there. That's who people keep telling me
about in the in the museum.
Speaker 5: That's because we never had I just didn't have Clarion
out of respect to Wes, because it was like his store,
like his his big whatever, you know, like that everyone
associates with him because he uses his intro and all that. Yeah,
she's the woman in the British accent and the intro. Yeah,
there's a there's a little ranch across the street, little
farm right across from the where that creek mouth come
flows out into the Pacific there on the highway won
the big Serve, and I tried to they would not say.
I was like, well, if they're one here, like these
would have to know it, and they would not communicate.
They just I waited at their gate one day, like
most of the day, I was just hanging out, and
finally someone came pulled up to pull in, and they're
just like didn't want to talk. You know, We're like,
I got you know, this is dangerous to be on
the side of the road. I got to you know,
get off. You know, you shouldn't be parking onside the
road here. It's there's a lot of accidents and stuff.
Blah blah bah. There's like, yeah, I gotta go. And
they just drove in the gate. And then I still
wrote him and stuff, and I tracked down like their
address and there who they were, their names, and left
a duct tape notes written and I duct tape them
in a baggy like a sandwich baggy, and you know,
keep it waterproof and duct tapment on their gates. They'd
have to see it. And they never never got back
to me. That happens if you're if you're living down there,
you're that rich and you can afford to live down there,
and you and you're obviously want privacy that you're you know,
the only person living behind this gate on this little road.
It's like I can see like, oh, you want to
do something to bring tons of attention to my house
forget it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, of course you live out there
for a reason, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's definitely like Sarah's everyone's sure witness
on our show. But I think, I mean, West is
obviously a much larger audience. I mean, that's the most quote,
and he'll tell you that's definitely the most quote, by far,
the most quoted episode he's ever had, five to one five.
Speaker 2: It's probably why you put her in the intro, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because she's so believable. She's she and she's she's brilliant.
She's got like the biggest vocabulary ever, so she can
actually got She sent me her drawings of what she saw.
Speaker 2: She should dig them out. We should post them for
the members.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if I can post them. I've
been trying to get a hold of her for a
few months. I haven't really get a hold of her. Yeah,
we had Claire coming over for that. That's when like
when COVID screwed everything up, because we we had her.
She was gonna fly over and we were going to
go to this you know, walk through the whole place
and do like you know, get like a recreation and
all that, but then with COVID then, because that's how
she found about her heart because when she went in
for a bunch of testing, like, well, you had a
massive heart attack because was that whole COVID thing. So
she she got it. I guess she got kind of
sick and they were real worried about hers. But she
couldn't even fly for so long. And then we were
doing the mark RSE one at that point, and yeah,
I just kind of got overextended.
Speaker 2: Wow, things happen, you know, And hopefully she's okay. Hopefully
she's still out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess no one's.
Speaker 4: Heard from her for a while, alrighty, So hopefully that
answers the question. And then here is your next written submission.
Speaker 5: Roman Daniels, what are the biggest indicators you personally look
for that suggests a video or image is likely a
hoax or a misidentification. I'm curious about what things experienced
researchers focused on most when trying to separate authentic looking
evidence from costumes, CGI force perspective, or other forms of hoaxing.
Thanks for the insight and keep it squatchy.
Speaker 4: I think you've got to have as many details as
possible about the person and the backstory, because there's so
many times where evidence looks really good, but all the
holes are in. You know, the person's not who they
say they are. They don't work where they said they work,
they don't have the background that they claim to have had,
they weren't where they said they were when they said
they were, all these other indicators that it's like, you know,
no matter how good the evidence looks, you have to
corroborate everything it can be corroborated. Obviously, no one's proven
that this asquatch exists yet, so that's the one thing
you really can't corroborate yet. But you know, if you
found multiple errors there were obviously fabrications across just the
person's claims about themselves or their background, then you kind
of don't have to dig into too much about like
limb ratios or proportions or this, that and the other one.
It's like, Okay, well, this person's lying about all of
the mundane stuff, so they're probably not telling the truth
about the extraordinary part of it.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, context means everything, you got to I've
had several pictures and videos that I have no context
for that may or may not be real, have no
idea because without that background information, you know, that's really
the more probably the most telling thing, I think is
the background information. But if all you have is a
clip or a picture, a clip in particular, like a
video thing, the questions I always ask are, why did
you stop filming? You know, like that needs to be present,
you know, like you just need to know that, like
why did you stop filming? There's one piece of footage
that I have access to. It's one of these things
on the top of a mountain basically, and the guy
who supposedly saw it come out of the straw, he
started filming it. At some point he has it just
as it goes over the top. Well, now I know
why that guy stopped filming. The thing was out of sight,
it went over to the next stout. And again I've
never spoken to that witness. It's just one that I
have access to. But that's one of the big questions,
Like if there's no reason to stop filming, but they
did anyway, it's probably a hoax, definitely.
Speaker 5: I mean it looks like for overall, just how does
it look when you first look at it, you know,
does it look does it jump out like there's something.
I mean, I'm getting definitely better at the AI thing,
but I rely on a lot of experts. I was
just I sent it out to other people and that
you know, I have the expertise in that area, and
asking one of the things.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because more than one brain is always better
than one brain, you know, Like everybody has something to
add to the pile, to the pile of context or
story or evidence. I think it's a good idea to
share stuff like that with with peers and colleagues that
you trust, because they may see something you don't. It's
not a one man effort, by one person effort by
any means.
Speaker 4: As far as misidentifications go, like those are trickier. But
you know, most of the time, in my experience, the
majority that I've seen, I mean, I've seen a handful
of bears that people thought were sasquatches, But more often
than not with any other thing, it's birds. It's birds
in flight, and often in like the downstroke where the
wings are almost like vertical straight up and down, and
so at the right angle it looks like a head
and shoulders and long arms, or at a distance it
looks like, you know, a body with long legs standing
upright when it's really just a bird and flight coming
straight towards the lens of the camera or straight away
from it. I've seen a number of examples of that.
There was a big one that made the news probably
around like two thousand and nine twenty ten, somewhere thereabouts,
that they called the Kentucky backyard gorilla. You remember that one, yep.
I think we posted some of that stuff through the
members in the last like a year or two, because
I remember digging those up. But yeah, and it really like,
at first glance, it looks like this big black, bulky
thing emerging from the brush with big shoulders and big
long arms. And then you see the whole series of
photos from the game came and you're like, oh, there's
a feeder and there's corn on the ground, and there's
crows flying like to and from the corn on the
ground all the time. But just one of them is
this kind of cool looking shot where it does look
like this big, bulkier thing, kind of like Roman mentioned
the force perspective, sort of like a perspective issue. But
I've seen a lot of different bird images that get
confused for sasquatches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's one on my website, the Cliffperickman dot
com website. Under the articles, it says what is it?
Appearances can be deceiving. I mean I wrote an article
about a misidentified crow essentially, so you can check that
out if you guys want, stay tuned for more Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back
after these messages.
Speaker 4: So let's grab another voicemail here. We get a lot
of questions to this effect, but this one's pretty specific.
Speaker 6: So hey guys, this is Mark McClure. Hey, it was
good to finally meet you in person at the High
Bigfoot Conference. Cliff, I have a question for all three
of you. What are the chances that you guys could
all be at the next one together and do another
live podcast episode.
Speaker 2: Thanks really up to Bobo. I mean, I'm probably going
to be there anyway, so beware at an.
Speaker 4: Io big Book conference to do another live podcast episode.
Speaker 5: Well, we don't have to get together there, I was
tho going, it's easier for Prude to hear the both
of us to go back there only get Prude out
here on the West coast.
Speaker 4: We just need a venue and so if there was
a conference that had a sound system and an audience,
you know, and a room that we could record in.
That was the nice thing about Ohio, although we did
not end up being able to use their sound system,
and I just had to like set up the Yettie
microphones to just record the ambient room sound because you remember,
there was a a very protective technician there at the
state park who did not want to give us access
to I was like, oh, I just need to line
out from the soundboard, and they were not very happy
about being asked that, and I was trying to be
like very kind, like no, no, this is it'd be
really easy, I just need to like plug this one
cable in here, and they were they took their job
very seriously. So for that, I commend the So that's
why it didn't sound like super high quality like crisp
from the soundboard. So but yeah, all we need for
a live podcast episode is a venue, and so yeah,
a conference always makes the most sense for that because
there's already people there that are into the subject and
an audience of people who are you know, some of
whom are already listeners, and then microphones, like all the
infrastructures in place, but it would be awesome to do
with the Ohio conference. But I would say if if
you all kind folks nudge our good man marked Worth
to facilitate such a thing, that will probably up your chances.
Speaker 5: We can have to delimited just to Ohio. Oh oh.
Speaker 4: I agree, But the question was Ohio specifically.
Speaker 5: Holocaust is cool. It's kind of pain the ass to
get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is by far one of the best conferences.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking forward to wasn't. I wasn't really thinking
about having like a live crowd there. But I was
just thinking, like if Fruit came out to fill out
to Portland and I drove up, then we could do
like out the field stuff more like we could do
like kind of like you know, some searching around, do
some night stuff whatever.
Speaker 4: That would be awesome. We will make that happen in September,
right after the Alaska Bigfoot Cruise. Tickets available in the
show notes. You grab the next written question for you
and there you go.
Speaker 2: Cliff, Okay, it is from Paul Ray. Ticks seemed to
be getting more prevalent in the eastern half of the country,
and alpha gal syndrome is on the rise. I don't
know what that is. Is it possible for a sasquatch
it's a contract or Alpha gall syndrome. What would the
implications be to their population if they can't consume any
mammalian meat. I am looking forward to cryptocon this year,
especially since it's been moved fifteen minutes from home. Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Alpha gal is a tick transmitted disease that gives people
extreme adverse reactions to eating mammalian meat. And I've had
several friends who've contracted it. I'll double check it, but
I think it's the lone star tick that transmits that.
But yeah, so I've had friends that have gone out
in the field, come home, found a tick on them.
Remove the tick, you know, sometime later, or at a
restaurant eating a steak or a hamburger, and then their
throat starts to close up and they start, you know,
having extreme allergic symptoms, and you know, very shocking to
them because they eat meat their whole lives and they
have to switch to entirely like chicken, fish, et cetera.
So it sounds awful because I am a lover of
mammalian meat. And so it is a good question as
to whether or not sasquatches might be susceptible to such
a thing if there is already some immunity that they
might have to tick born illnesses given that they existed
alongside ticks for however long, Or maybe it's like a
blood volume thing that you know, does that maybe that
does not apply to tickborn illnesses in the same way that, like,
you know, snake venom is going to be less potent
the more blood volume an animal has, and so you know,
a very large animal will have very little reaction to
a snake bite versus you know, something much smaller with
like the amount of volume of the venom in the
bloodstream overall, et cetera, like proportionally. So I don't know,
that is a really good question, though I hadn't thought
about that before, but I definitely think about alpha gal
a lot. You always should treat all your clothes with
pometerne it'll kill any ticks that get on your clothes
if you treat them properly, and that should be just
everything socks, boots, pants, shirts, undershirts, all the above, hats,
like anything you wear that a tick might get on
before it attaches to your skin. So yeah, it's definitely
a concern, So that is a good question. So according
to the web, the lone star tick is the main
tick associated with alpha gal syndrome in the United States.
A few other tick species can also be linked to
alpha gal syndrome in some regions, but the lone star
tick is the most common United States based cause. So
make sure you google that, folks and learn how to
identify the loan star tick and be very vigilant in
the woods.
Speaker 2: Well, I just did a quick search are apes susceptible
to alpha gal? And they said, I'm just going to
read this directly off of Google here. Yeah, apes are
theoretically susceptible to alpha gel syndrome because they share the
same biological quirk that humans do. Their cells do not
produce the alpha gal sugar molecule. I didn't even know
about that either. However, the syndrome is incredibly rare or
practically non existent in wild apes, largely due to different
immune responses and behaviors, so I'm not sure if that
sheds any light on it. So I would assume that
much like poison oak that I'm guessing sasquatches are probably
resistant to poison oak, just like dear kind of are
I think deer actually eat it, if I remember right,
so they might have some sort of like an immune
response to it that allows them to skirt by without it.
But then again maybe not. Do you have alpha gal
out there, Bobes besides Kartas she's kind of the alpha
gal your household.
Speaker 5: I haven't heard of it here. I think it's all
down like down there, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: In general, we don't have a lot of ticks here,
although I did literally see a news item today that
ticks are on our side of the mountain and pretty
bad this year. And yesterday I got had a conversation
with Nico, a former museum manager moved on to bigger
and better things, and he said that where he works,
they have just yesterday or two days ago, and I
think it was it was yesterday yesterday, So two days
ago they picked four ticks off themselves while out in
the woods. So ticks are definitely becoming a thing on
my side of the mountain. Generally speaking, it was mostly
on the eastern side of the Cascades and a little
but they were here, just not very many of them.
But apparently this year is kind of an exception, they're
getting worse, and you know, with the ticks are really
doing a number and making a comeback. I guess in
places where they weren't just that weren't very prevalent, But
there's a lot of them in various places now. So
hopefully I don't have to find out about this. I'm
on a need to know basis with all tick borne diseases,
and hopefully I don't need to know anything as so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just remember like being up there, I'm saying
that there's no ticks west of the west side of
the Cascades. I was like, yeah, right, I freaking have
pulled this is like twenty five years ago, like thirty
years ago. I remember pulling ticks off me up there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think down in the valley there's more, you know,
down in the Willamette Valley, because I've got you know,
almost at a thousand feet here where I live on
the side of the Cascades. But I think down there
that there are ticks, There are poison there is poison oak,
and there are rattlesnakes, and those three things are largely
absent from my general area. Maybe it's an altitude thing,
or I don't know. Yeah, and I'm not saying that
they're not here either, mind you. I've gotten poisoned things
in the woods, although I think I got a western
poison ivy, not poison oak, because I know what poison
oak looks like. You know, up here there's just less
of it, but down in lower elevations it seems to
be much more prevalent. And I think all three of
those items, you know, poison oak, ticks, and rattlesnakes, are
just more prevalent in the lower elevations here and then
on the eastern side of the Cascades, where it's more
desert y and dry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got crazy. I mean the poison nook. I
haven't seen a compass. There's a lot of it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. When I was out last week in southern Oregon,
it was everywhere, everywhere, and somehow I didn't get it.
It's been a number of days now. I should have
shown the signs of it if I got it, but
I skirted that one. But generally speaking, if there's an
opportunity to get some sort of poison plant on me,
I will do so. And ticks too, my god, tics
they're not even they're not even insects. They're racknids, and
I can't think of one iraqnid that that I think
is adorable.
Speaker 5: Oh that little tiny there's a one of the couple
of most saic spider. It's like one inch. It's like
a jumping spider.
Speaker 2: Is beautiful.
Speaker 5: Oh really?
Speaker 2: Okay, well let me look this up. Mosaic spider.
Speaker 5: I think that kind of what they're called it down
South America.
Speaker 2: I think, oh, you know what, those are beautiful, But
at the same time, I don't think they're going to
make stuffed animals out of them and you know, sell
them the kids.
Speaker 5: Kids like dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well those are cute. Yeah, but can imagine like
selling tick plushies at like a natural history museum.
Speaker 5: That'd be pretty good.
Speaker 2: You can you can have the bloated one, the one
engorged with blood or without.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, this is not what I was talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, they're pretty though, like the translucent legs and.
Speaker 5: Oh, Cliff, it's a peacock spider.
Speaker 2: Oh peacock spider.
Speaker 7: Okay, hold on, they are adorable and I do see
here it looks like alpha gu According to this search,
Alpha gau syndrome appears to have been recognized in the
US since the early two thousands, with the condition first
identified in two thousand and seven and earlier case patterns
going back to the nineties in Georgia, but it didn't
become widely reported in the US population until it looks
like roughly around like twenty ten. So the only reason
I bring that up is like maybe Sasquatches might have
some sort of like a evolved immunity.
Speaker 4: But I don't know where the origins of alpha gal
come from. If it is something that's like newly emerged
in the US just in the last twenty five plus years,
or if it's something that's been around in North America
for a very long time. I have to do some
more research, but I do think it is a good
and relevant question from Paul there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a good one. And Bobo, yes, peacock
spiders are cute. I can see making a plushy out
of those.
Speaker 5: I sit corrected, Yeah, I lie down, corrected.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: So this is a hard hitting question from one of
our listeners in Georgia we have chatted with before.
Speaker 5: From near my hometown.
Speaker 4: This one's for the Bobes.
Speaker 5: JD felt. What is Bobo's favorite Beatus and Buttead episode?
Oh man, it's been so long since I've seen those. Oh,
I love that first movie they do America.
Speaker 4: The movie was very funny.
Speaker 5: I love that one and then got it favorite episode
I know I have one. Oh, you know, it's just
been listen like twenty years since it's been on or more.
I guess they got the new ones back now. God,
I'm trying to think I was more. I don't know.
I just love those guys I've ever seen like I
saw I was not too long ago. I watched one recently.
I was like, man, it's not the best use of time.
I'm watching beat Us about Henry Rhones.
Speaker 2: A day not wasted as a wasted day Bobes.
Speaker 5: I used to think I was cheering, and now I don't.
Speaker 4: I never think of them in terms of episodes, but
I always think about them in terms of like the
music videos that they parody, and so you remember the
one where they did Rolins Band's Liar That was that
one is so funny that one always comes to mind
whenever people reference Bevis. But I mean they did so
many funny takes on music videos, but that one in particular,
like always made me laugh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love the Then our buddies were on there,
the Lords of Brooklyn, this wrap gerup out of Brooklyn,
New York, who were just classic classic dudes, you know,
full full Guido guys, and they totally ripped on those guys.
I remember laughing. But that's because I knew those guys.
I've made it extra find me.
Speaker 4: You have to dig into those I'll find them Rowlin's
video thing and put a link to that in the
show notes because I red it was quite funny.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: And then for the final question here for this June
twenty sixth Q and A. Here is a often asked question,
but it's been a while since we've answered this one particularly,
but I think there's a few things worth considering here
beyond just the general gist of the question. So here's
the last question for you.
Speaker 2: Cliff Anthony Schultz asks who would a person contact if
they came across the body or a skeleton of a
sasasquatch give it a chance, set if it were reported
to any governmental department, they would try to cover it
up or keep it from the public. Call me, Yeah,
call one of us. We'll get you in contact with
the right folks, which of course is Darby or cut
essentially at this moment. Yeah, we've got direct contact with
all these people, So get ahold of us as soon
as possible, and in the meantime, take samples, cut off things,
hide them, don't tell people about it. We'll get it done.
We'll prove this thing.
Speaker 5: I'll be over it before you go out, before you
get on an any kind of electronic like communication like internet,
phone anything, text, like hide some parts where no one's
gonna find them. They're not going to get dug up
and eat and buy another animal or whatever, or just
like they're not going to cook somewhere like put it
somewhere cool, dry and slash it.
Speaker 2: Yep, pretty much. But yeah, contact one of us. Russ
Jones would be a good person or some trusted researcher
in your area. I guess, although the people you trust
me not be the same people I trust.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a lot to consider. I mean, I
do think that there is it's worth again, I don't
think there's a cover up, But like I said earlier,
you should probably act as if sasquatches are watching you,
you should probably act as if there is a cover up,
just in case, because I can't hurt it, give him
the chance. But I do think eventually one of the
things I referenced in the book, because I love the
book Ghost Grizzlies, and there's a case in there about
a guy named Ed Wiseman who was considered to be
the man who killed the last of the Colorado Grizzlies,
and he killed it in self defense. You know, the
grizzly was supposedly extirpated by it for twenty seven years
by the point that he was attacked by one and
had to kill it in self defense. If you want
to read a harrowing story. It got on top of
him and he was able to kill it by pulling
an arrow out of his quiver and killing it with
the arrow in his hand, by hand, so not with firearm,
you know, not with a bow and arrow, but like
with a bear on top of him and an arrow
in his hand. There was a massive federal and state
investigation huge, I think it was like a six month
long investigation into the event, and then a lot that
went along with it, and so you know, being members
of organizations that had a lot of conversations about specimen
collection or trying to find the remains of a naturally
deceased specimen. You know, we've had these conversations a zillion times,
and I think there would often be this sentiment of like, well,
you know, we'll collect it and stash it away, and
certainly you can just turn it into you know, whatever
lab or institution can look at it and keeps the
details private. And I just don't think that's ever going
to be possible, because I think that if you're going
to consider that the Sasquatch is probably the biggest biological
or the biggest wildlife discovery in American history, I do
think it will be accompanied by the most intensive wildlife
investigation in American history. And so the question would be like, well,
where did you find this thing? And who owns it?
Based on where you found it. So it could be
the case that if it's on federal land, you know,
a national forest, national park or something like that, you
might squirrel some of it away and get it out
to Darby or whoever get it out to the media,
so the discovery is made before suppression can happen. But
I don't think there's any getting around the legal requirement
that like, you need to show us exactly where this
was found. And a lot of people say, oh, I
would never tell, or if they're on a team of people,
well none of us would ever tell who had it
or who handled it. It's like, yeah, you wait until
you know. I used to joke and say, like, wait
until the Feds are banging on your door saying who
was with you on that team and who picked it up?
And see who folds like a napkin. And then it
was just out in the field with a friend of
mine who's in law enforcement, and he said, Oh, they're
not going to knock on your door. They're going to
drag you to a facility and hold you in an
interrogation room for a long time and intimidate the heck
out of you and then ask you who was there,
where'd you find it? And if you think everyone on
your team is going to keep their lips sealed when
they're being threatened with, you know, obstruction of justice, et cetera.
So I think the best policy would be to just
say like, yeah, I found it in this place, But
that's going to have implications like does the state own it?
Because in a lot of places, the state owns whatever
wildlife occurs in that state, even if it's on federal land.
If it's novel, like something that's totally undiscovered, would the
Feds own it. Would they be able to say, actually,
we are in possession of that now, no matter how
much of it you have in your possession, how much
of it you're hiding, how much you sent to another lab,
et cetera. So there's there's so much to think about
and consider that it's just totally a gray area. This
is all speculation, but I would suspect, based on these
other prior cases, that it will come along with the
most extensive, intensive investigation that's ever occurred for any sort
of wildlife related discovery, et cetera, Because well, how did
you get there, how did it die? Did someone shoot it,
was it hit by vehicle, you know, whatever the case
may be. But they're gonna want to know exactly where
you found it. I don't think there's any getting around that.
Speaker 2: I really don't.
Speaker 4: And they might be able to subpoena the records of
you know, your phone service provider or you know Google,
if you've if you use like an Android or any
Google services or Google Maps and figure out, like exactly
where you were standing that day at that time when
you found this specimen. So who knows. But I think
honesty is always going to be the best policy with
with those things. But I don't think there's any getting
around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the great things about having Darby
involved is that he's already thought through a lot of
these you know, end results, and he knows the laws,
and he's dealing with tribes. He's dealing with a lot
of things that people are not just you know, oh,
Darby's doing DNA. No, he's doing so much more than that,
so so much more than that, And he's thought through
as any number of conceivable ends to this, and so
get it out of your hands so you're not responsible
for it. I think as the best, the best way
forward for any you know, civilian, this should be handled
by an institution, and Darby's the answer to that one.
Speaker 4: Here here, Well, we got a boatload of questions from
our pigeonry, from our members. So if you fellas like
we can transfer over to that side of the proverbial
fence and answer their burning questions, that would be great.
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