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Speaker 2: Tip stock s me.

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Speaker 3: Greatest con us.

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Speaker 2: Today and listening watching lim always keep its watching.

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Speaker 4: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo.

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Speaker 2: Fay hellove my friend. How you doing?

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Speaker 5: It's up? Cliff, are you doing? I'm good, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Doing okay Man. Just cruising on a Monday morning, looking

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forward to a very short week this week. I've got

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this to do today obviously, then gotta do some preparation things.

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I'm dealing with a lot of cast stuff lately with

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the influx of new material from another historic collection that

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was obtained. And tomorrow going to the woods. Gonna go

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to Ploying LDR where my friends saw a sasquatch just

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a few weeks ago at one of the research areas

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that we have been kind of kicking around a little bit.

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So I'm going to go to the woods tomorrow. Wednesday,

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got the big Farmers Market with Chad Hamill. Looking forward

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to that selling some iced tea. I guess I have

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an interview that morning on some for some NPR station

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out in like the South somewhere Louisiana or Texas or

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somewhere and I can't remember where. And then Thursday going

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to Florida doing the big Foot Conference out there whatever

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that's called Great America, Great Florida, Big Great something big

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Foot conference out there in Florida Thursday to Sunday. So cool, busy, busy,

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busy as usual.

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Speaker 5: Oh you know what. I was at the story yesterday

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and this cool guy came up to me Native dude.

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He starts talking to me like he's you know, we're

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saying goodbye, and he goes, oh yeah, he said something about, well,

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you know, I got them hairs when I I think

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I hit one. I was like, what, like you didn't

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tell me right out, like it was like the last

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thing you brought it. And he is leaving me to

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talking for a while. So yeah, down by Northold Laytonville,

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he hit one last year and he's got four long hairs.

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He thinks that the it's got the where's not that she's.

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Speaker 2: Follow the fall col Yeah, all the cole or not.

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He should send it to Derby.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get it sent out there this week.

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Speaker 2: That would be fantastic. Yeah, I mean you should either

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get a hold of it if you think the guy

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might not have the follow through.

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Speaker 5: Now this guy, dude, he's like full professional, Like he's

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like a not a big week with the tribe, but

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he's he works with like federal tribes all over the place,

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Like he's like a specialist. But he's been living here

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for a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: I guess that'd be great because generally speaking, the process

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is to send an email to Derby through his website,

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and then in a week or two or three, whenever

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he gets ecaler's his schedule enough, he usually emails backer calls,

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and they do an interview and then they send the

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hair in. That's what I believe the sampling process is.

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So some people get pretty frustrated because it's not an

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immediate response because you know, they have a bigfoot hair

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and that's the most important thing in the world, Whereas

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Derby has like six projects in a full class load

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and family and all this other stuff. So sometimes it

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takes a second to get back, which would be understandable,

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but I'm just saying that a lot if you didn't

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have the follow through or the patience, it might be

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a good idea to get that hair.

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Speaker 5: So he's cool as how. I'm sending to keep.

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Speaker 2: Too sure, Yeah, sending as much as he could, you know,

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as much as he can. That would be fantastic. Get

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this out.

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Speaker 5: I just wish you could wipe the car down ed

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and a kid.

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Speaker 2: Well, the hair should be enough, honestly, the hair should

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be enough.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's got that follicle.

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Speaker 2: Even if it doesn't, even if it doesn't, he has.

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a conversation with Darby last week and again we kind

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of talked about how the Bigfoot community is a little

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impatient in general. But but but yeah, good things are happening,

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and he's got great people working on this hair thing.

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some cool, cool progress being made right now. Now is

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the time to send in any hair as anybody's sitting on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So that was cool, you know, talking here and

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now I was like, nice, So they have a pretty pumped.

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Speaker 2: That is cool. That is cool.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: You haven't been in PDX lately, have you? The airport bubbo?

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Speaker 5: No, I haven't flown out of Portland in a lot

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since the shell. I haven't flown out of there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wow, that quite a while. Well, there's some interesting

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news coming out of there. There is a really cool

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chainsaw carving sort of thing in the baggage area of PDX.

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great fantastic bookstore here in Portland. There's a carving of

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a sasquatch reading a book wearing reading glasses in the

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whole nine It was actually part of the world's largest

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cuckoo clock at one point. You know how cuckoo clocks

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are very ornate and they have various carvings and all

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this other stuff all over it. This is just one

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segment of perhaps eight or twelve or something that was

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on this giant cuckoo clock at one point, and for

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some reason it ended up in the baggage claim of PDX.

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Speaker 5: How big is it?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's I don't know, eight feet, it's for life

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size and it's awesome. I just I just texted you

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show notes. But I guess the reason I bring this up,

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this statue, this carving, is that they're done with it

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at PDX and it is coming to live permanently at

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the North American big Foot Center.

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Speaker 5: No what pull off.

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Speaker 2: They asked me, would I like it? And I said, yes, way, Yeah,

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it was pretty pretty painless. Honestly, I think I think

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it was travel organ See, there's two big tourism folks

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or entities here in Oregon that are always doing great

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things for us, travel Oregon and of course Mount Hood Territories.

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just they do the exact same thing, which is promote

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tourism in Oregon, and one's more specific to my area.

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But they're both just great, great entities and they do

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wonderful things for us, and I help them out. Every

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chance I get, and I think I think this one's

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travel organ And again, anybody who's employed by either of

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these organizations, forgive me for not being able to tell

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you a part. But at the same at the end

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of the day, you know, if you're in the hospital

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and you have a team of nurses, you may not

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remember all their names individually. You just like the nurses

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help me. They're all cool, right, So anyway, this organization

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actually kicking down for the moving of it and everything.

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They're going to deliver it right to my doorstep, and

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then we have to figure out a place to put

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it inside the NABC because our walls are pretty full

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at the NABC. But boy, this it is so beautiful

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and such a great piece of art.

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Speaker 5: You wouldn't leave it outside. That one was too nice.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I wouldn't leave it outside. Now it's

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just too great of a piece of art. I mean

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as part of it, Like it's like, legit, the world's

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largest cuckoo clock, and that's that's my kind of world record.

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You know, I'm cuckoo for cuckoo clocks.

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Speaker 5: It's for a bandballing necks or something.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that'd be cool too. That'd be cool too if

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it was in the bigfoot shape. But yeah, nonetheless, So

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that's coming to live at the NABC. We need to

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like hook it to the ground because of seismic regulations

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and all this other stuff. But it's going to be

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a big hassle and totally worth every every ounce that

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we give of effort. So pretty excited about that. That

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news came to me this week.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, I don't know. I got a couple

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of weeks away, got small town monsters in town. Pretty

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excited about that set there. Yes, that's going to come out,

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the whole gang, the whole gang. They're going to come

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out and trying to hook them up with a couple

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of old timers to interview them about the history of

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the area and stuff like that. And we're going to

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be doing something in the museum or the woods. I

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don't know what it is yet, it doesn't matter to me.

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I just like hanging out with those folks. Got contacted

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by another production company that might be filming with me

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for a day around that time. I'll tell you about

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that after it happens, after I'm allowed to talk about

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: We have a project going at the Willow Creek Museum

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between my museum and the one down there that houses

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the Bob Tipmas collection. Much of the historic early Bluff

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Creek evidence is present in that museum. They're revamping and

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redesigning the thing over this coming winter. So I'm helping

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them along the way with that anyway that any and

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I'm not guiding them, but any I'm just offering advice.

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I'm giving them copies digital copies of my displays about

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their artifacts so they can kind of, you know, adapt

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them to fit their own style and color scheme and

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information and all that sort of stuff. They reached out

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to me asking me, hey, when you coming down to

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copy some more of these casts, because if you're not enough,

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if you didn't if you didn't know, the Willow Creek

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Museum has now given our museum, the NABC permission to

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sell their footprint casts, and of course we give them

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a very hefty royalty, about twice the standard rate because

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i want them to succeed, and I'm such a strong

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supporter and proponent of the Willow Creek Museum. I've doubled

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the royalty because they so they get a piece of

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every single footprint cast that we sell of their items.

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the High imp Palm cast, those two odd ones that

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Bob Timmas touch while it was in the ground, there's

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another larger cast that has that. There's photographs of those

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particular prints drying in the ground with Bob tipmos kneeling

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down next to it, courtesy of doctor Russ Jones who

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got them from a patient name Edie Gardner I believe

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her name was. It was Edie's mother's and father's property

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out in High Impalm that those tracks showed up on.

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these years. And of course all this stuff is on

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display at the North American Big for Center if you

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ever want to come in and check it out. But

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the Willow Creek Museum, you know, reached out to me

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and said, hey, when you going to come down and

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copy more of these casts, thinking, oh, that's one of

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the fantastic thing. So I'm going to be allowed to

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copy footprint casts housed in the Willow Creek Museum that

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no one has ever copied before, and they will be

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available through the NABC so that's pretty cool. And that

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includes the Patterson Gimlin casts, those ten in a row

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that Bob Timmos cast at the location.

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Speaker 5: You have eight of those already, eight of.

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Speaker 2: Those, well, I have the two that Roger and Bob cast,

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and then as far as the ten that Tipmos cast,

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actually he seems to have cast eleven, by the way,

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but the ten are in one set, and there's another

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loose one that Dan Prez. Daniel Prez on this very

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podcast commented that I think John Green casually commented to

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him at the Willow Creek celebration back in the day

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that there was another one that Bob Tipmos gave to

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a lady friend, and there is a loose cast that

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is absolutely from that trackway or from that same foot

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that made that trackway, and it's kind of loosen around.

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Bob cast, I have molds for just four of the

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other ones. Three from the ten and then that stray

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one that's unusual that no one's quite sure where it

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came from. So I've got so those two, so six total,

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But the other ones have never been copied, and I'm

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not so sure I can or will copy them because

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handling them is pretty rough at this point. They're very

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very thin. They're made of plaster of Paris, which kind

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of slowly kind of deteriorates over time. I mean, they

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really should be copied, of course, but if they're not

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going to survive the copying process, then they should not

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be copied. R I've got to make that judgment call

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when i'm there. But those larger you know, that large

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high im palm cast, only one of those has been

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copied before. Then it is certainly the same animal or

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a closely related animal, but I think it's probably the

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same animal that left the Jerry Crew tracks in October

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nineteen fifty eight.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, an a three D printer clev.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, probably should someday, and definitely we've talked about

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that at the museum. Yeah, because I'm going to scan

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all of those, certainly do a three D scans of

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all this stuff while I'm there, because I'll you know,

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i'll have the run of the museum for two days.

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Well they're closed. They're gonna be closed Mondays and Tuesdays

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throughout the summer, and so I'll be in there one

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of these Mondays and Tuesdays, so I let you know

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when I'm down there, we can go to the woods

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or something. And you know, so it's kind of fun

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if I love because you know, I love casts. I'm

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somewhat of a footprint cast connoisseur. I just love all

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this sort of stuff. And so to be allowed and

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trusted in working on a project with the Willow Creek

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Museum for both of our benefits, it's just what a joy,

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what an honor that is for you know, thirty years ago,

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you know, fledgling Cliff bigfooter out there, could have never

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dreamt that I would have such an honor to participate

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in such a historical thing. So I'm very very pleased

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about that. So yeah, if anybody is looking for cool casts,

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the NABC has some that are not legally allowed to

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be seld anywhere else. So if you are looking for legal,

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excellent copies of any of these casts, feel free to

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buy them from the NABC. It helps everybody.

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Speaker 5: I got some good bootleg copies. Contact the bows.

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Speaker 2: There you go, there you go, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Both, Let Uncle Sam mix his plaster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, let Ink tell you what to do.

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Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

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Bobo will be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 4: You know, since it is our monthly Q and A

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and you've been talking about casts, I do have the

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perfect first question as a good segue for everything you

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just described, So pulling them a bit out of order,

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but I thought this would be perfect to go along

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with that discussion.

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Speaker 2: Would you like to start it off, Bobo?

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Speaker 5: Sure, this is from Corey Bickline. Can you give me

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a best guess of how many credible truck or hampering

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cast pictures and videos can be found in the public domain?

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Not looking for miracles, more of an estimate of the

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quantity of extant pieces of evidence without things that exist

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out of public view.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's there. This might be a language issue here,

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but you specifically said public domain, which has a legal

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definition of you're legally allowed to use that photograph in

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publications without asking permission. That's what public domain actually means.

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So I'm not sure you actually meant that or not,

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or if you're just like available.

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Speaker 5: On the Internet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think publicly available.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, yeah, that's what I want to get out

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because because public domain stuff goes into public domains, what

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is it fifty or seventy years after the person's death,

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who owns it or something like that, you know, so

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that that's a separate question, I guess. But apparently I'm

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guessing you probably didn't mean that. So credible track or

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handprint casts, we'll just start there. I'm thinking of, you know,

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like my collection, because that is the largest footprint cast

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collection in the world. Unquestionably. Tom Shae might be the

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only person who has something close to this, and I

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think he has two or three hundred casts, but I

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think that my mind number around four or five hundred

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at the point at this point, because I've got a

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lot of other casts in there, like a Rank Pindeck

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things have that stuff from Europe. I've got human prints,

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I've got fakes in there. I've got everything you can

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imagine in there. But as far as credible tracks that

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I think are real, I don't know. Three hundred or so,

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but that's just that's cast and that probably includes handprints

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three or three fifty maybe four somewhere in there between

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three and four hundred. I think it would be a

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reasonable guest pictures. That's a whole different thing.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: I've got probably I've got a whole file on my

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computer of nothing but photographs of footprints and impressions in

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the ground. I bet you I have another five hundred

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or a thousand or more or something like that. Yeah,

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I think that's probably a reasonable guess. We'll just say

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between one and two thousand if you include all the

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tracks and photographs. Now, mind you, I even though I

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inherited doctor Meldrum's collection, I didn't I do not have

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his digital files. There was some hold up with the

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because a lot of it was on the school computer,

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and this school owns a computer, and there's privacy issues

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with students and all this other stuff. So I did

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not currently have the digital files. I hope to get

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them someday when LORI gets them or whatever, but at

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this moment I do not have them. So who knows

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how many people sent photographs to Jeff, because I've I've

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got a lot of physical photographs in the Meldrum collection

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of footprints and the Krantz collection too. He had a

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lot of stuff, and generally back in the nineties, it

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seems that it was probably the very very end of

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the days when scientists would use slides instead of digital pictures.

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Because a lot of the stuff that I have from Grover,

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from Grover Krantz and the early Meldrum stuff was on

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slide films, so you had to put in a projector

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and show it and that kind of thing. Yeah, I

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would between one and two thousand is my final answer,

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although that may be a little conservative. I think it

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might be more than two thousand. Yeah, so I don't know.

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Speaker 5: It says what you count too, I mean, does it

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have to show toes? Is that what's the cutoff? Like,

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so at least a healing a toe or two toes

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or you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he has a pretty squishy question. That's not

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a bad question at all, Korey, That's not what I mean.

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But the answers are a little squishy. I think that

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is hard to give even a close estimate. But I

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don't know. I think two thousand it's probably a fairly

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reasonable estimate. I think. In keeping with cast talk, here's

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your next written question and it is from Nick Kieran,

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Hey Klobo and Matt longtime listener from Northern Utah and

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aspiring pigeon. Here. I am watching the new NABC video

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and I had a question, do you think sasquatches ever

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return to a location where you've casted their prints? And

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they notice the plaster remnants on the ground, eh, as

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they certainly returned to areas where I have casted them.

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They certainly do that, because I've cast them more than

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once within ten feet of each other, probably three or

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five times now, at least at least that many. Without

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even trying to think about it, about going to the

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depths of my memory, I can think of three to

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five of these things easy. So I know they return

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to the same spots. But the question is do I

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think they notice any plaster remnants on the ground. Well,

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first of all, try I try to take all the

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plaster remnants I can, because to me, that's litter, and

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littering is one of those unforgivable sins. For me, that's

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something you don't do. It just shows what quality of

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person you are.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: And if you do litter. By the way, if you're

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listening and you're in go oh, clif's dark on me. Yeah,

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I'm dark on you. But you can do better. You know,

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you can change, You can pick up your litter. Do that,

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It's easy. It makes you a better person. Anyway, I

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try to get all the plaster I can out of

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the area. I don't succeed all the time, and I

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know that when I go back sometimes I do see

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that maybe rain has come and washed away some of

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the dirt that was hiding the plaster before, and then

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I try to pick that stuff up too, So I

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try not to leave much for them to see. But

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it's not so much for them, it's actually for other people.

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I don't want other people to know that I'm casting

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footprints in an area. But I don't think sasquatches understand casting.

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I just don't think that they have that level of intellect.

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I think that they might know why is that guy

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interested in that over there? I think that they can

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understand they have those kinds of questions, like what's up

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with that guy?

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Speaker 5: Why?

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Speaker 2: Why does he care about a footprint? What does he

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about my footprint? But I don't think they understand the

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plaster part very well, just like I don't. I personally

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don't think they understand cameras. I think that they see

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a human holding something and know that it can't be

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good whatever that human is up to. But I don't

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think they understand photography. That's a huge stretch that might

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they might, but I don't think they do well.

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Speaker 5: Some of the some of them have definitely seen images

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of a sound squatch on a TV people are watching TV.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think they understand TV either, you know.

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I mean that's just me, but I mean some people

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think that they understand you know, calculus, but I don't.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not saying that. I'm saying I think

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they can recognize themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure, yeah, I think they might even recognize

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themselves in US, you know, like like why do they

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walk around like I do and that kind of like us,

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but look so different, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, like sutting up, because I've gotten a couple more

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reports to people putting those plywood cutoffs of the squatch

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and having get torn down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Tom Shay used a dummy that a mannequin

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in a fur coat, and it got pretty tore up

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one time, I understand, if I remember the story correctly. Yeah,

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so they understand that kind of stuff, but I don't

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think they understand you know, plaster casts. And also generally speaking,

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I don't really know that they've ever seen me examining

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their footprints because when I'm out there, I don't It's

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very rare that I'm out there, you know, within minutes,

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I mean within minutes of a sighting, you know, like

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that happened in April. I was out with friends and

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two of the people I was with saw a sasquatch,

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and I went up and examined the footprints closely afterwards

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that one was probably maybe watching or something like that.

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But if I just if I'm doing my regular routine

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and run across a footprint of the ground, I have

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no indication beyond just a guess when the sasquatch was there.

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And I don't think it's necessarily constructive or destructive anyway

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to think that it was their observing me at that time.

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You know, I've been with people and the moment we

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got out of a car, the moment we get out

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of a car, they said to me, you know, they're

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probably watching us right now. They say, well, why do

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you think that? Why do you think that? I mean,

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just because we arrived to a place. We could be anywhere,

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and what what makes you think that they're here right now?

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You know, like there's no information on It's just it's

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it's a weird sort of version of the center of

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the world, and therefore they must be watching me, you know,

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not necessarily egotism, but maybe something like that. It's like,

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I don't know people that. Yeah, it's like why why

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would why would you think that they're watching you right now?

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Speaker 5: I mean it's it's it's it's like if you're driving,

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like there's one road in where one road out into

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this valley, that makes sense. Yeah, then I'm like, yeah, okay,

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they probably know we're here. Like there's there's a chance,

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there's a good chance they know we're here. Like if

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it's a big, big wib value and it's a good

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good acoustics like you got to like a loud truck

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like mine, you know they're going to know you're there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're aware that you're there. I could even believe

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that even if but I think you should maybe couch

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that statement with like, if there's one here now, it

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knows we're here too, right, I think that's a very

473
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,079
appropriate sentence. But you know they're watching us right now? Well,

474
00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:15,279
that that assumes a couple of things. Number One, that

475
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,200
they that they're in the area. Number Two, that watching

476
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,640
you implies with their eyes, And I don't think that's

477
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,799
really how they observe us most of the time. I

478
00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:26,799
think the observers through the sounds we make and they're

479
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,400
very very good at keeping track of It's just like

480
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,359
mountain gorillas are very very good at keeping track of

481
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,200
one another, not by seeing each other, not by watching

482
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,240
each other, but by listening to where they go. And

483
00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:39,400
I think sasquatches use that same skill set on us,

484
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,640
and that's why they know what we're up to all

485
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,640
the time. But nonetheless, but nonetheless, I don't think that

486
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,359
sasquatches are out there watching me when I'm out there.

487
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,279
I mean, they might be, I'm guessing I wouldn't be

488
00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:52,880
at all surprised that one has seen me while I'm

489
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,839
out there, especially since I literally walked you know, I

490
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,559
was thirty feet away from these people when they saw

491
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,480
the saw one in April. But you know, for the

492
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,119
most part, I don't think they're watching me, So I

493
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,200
don't worry too much about that sort of stuff. Do

494
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,359
you guys think I should just I just.

495
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 4: Think it's a general best rule, like if you're in

496
00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:11,039
the environment hoping to have an observation, you have to

497
00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:12,599
sort of act as if they're around.

498
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,079
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think that's for sure. Yeah, because that

499
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,319
day when my friends saw those, my two friends saw one,

500
00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:20,319
and I was thirty feet away from them. We had

501
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,960
zero indication that they were there that day, no tracks

502
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,279
on the road, no tracks off the road, and we

503
00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:29,480
had no indication there was any around, and yet they

504
00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:32,000
saw one. So I think it's a very good practice,

505
00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:34,559
as you were saying, to assume that they're there. But

506
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,920
that doesn't change my behavior, really, I don't think in

507
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,000
any significant way.

508
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't assume they're there. I just conduct myself

509
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:43,359
as if they were there in the event that if

510
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,480
they are there, I've done something right, you know, Versus

511
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:49,160
if you're like, well, I'll be loud and noisy and

512
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,720
cough or you know, smoke SIGs or whatever, and then

513
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:55,640
I'll wait and hide. Once i hear some indication that

514
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,519
they're around, then I'll be problem Listen.

515
00:23:58,279 --> 00:23:58,759
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

516
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 4: So it's like, no, it's just better to, you know,

517
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,319
treat it as if it's sasquatch laden until proven otherwise.

518
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,519
And you know, I've fallen victim to that many times.

519
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:10,000
So it's mostly a reminder to myself. There's been plenty

520
00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:13,240
of times, you know, because most things are mundane, and

521
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:15,839
so you hear mundane things enough times and then you

522
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,480
hear movement, you go, yeah, that's probably a deer, an armadillo, whatever, whatever,

523
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:23,440
and ninety nine percent of the time it is. And

524
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,440
then sometimes something really squatchy happens afterwards and it runs

525
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,440
away and you think, oh, I probably should have gone

526
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,960
and looked when I heard the first indication, I might

527
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,559
have actually seen it. And so I always try to say, like,

528
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,920
just treat it as if it's sasquatch until proven innocent.

529
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,440
But it's probably not. But that's the you know, just

530
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:47,759
best practices for field activities. Sasquatch guilty. Here's something, go

531
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:51,599
look and they confirm that it's not. Versus assuming that

532
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,359
it's not again type two errors, which I'm very prone to.

533
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,079
It's like assuming that nothing extraordinary is happening.

534
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, they're so subtle, man, you just never know

535
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:04,799
that they're there. It's nuts. Even the times I've known

536
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,640
they were there, they were absolutely there. Just to go

537
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,400
to look, going to look, it couldn't find them. Jerk's

538
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:17,720
stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

539
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,720
Will be right back after these messages.

540
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,759
Speaker 4: So here's a voicemail for you that I know the

541
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:32,559
Bobes has some experience with Hey Cliff, Hey Bobo.

542
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: My name is norm I remember Claire from Sasquatch Chronicles.

543
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:43,200
She was from England and she encountered a group of

544
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:48,160
family group of Sasquatches, I guess in northern California. I'm

545
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,160
not sure if you remember that episode or what happened there,

546
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:54,279
but she was very, very believable. In fact is he

547
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,519
uses in his intro, I won't know which thoughts were

548
00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:00,559
on that one. Let me know, thanks.

549
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, I spoke to Claire several times. She's awesome first off,

550
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720
like when she talks about it was a language, like

551
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,799
in Wes's opening It's so famous episode five one, five

552
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,880
five fifteen Soundsquatch Chronicles. I always recommend people that's listening

553
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,839
to that one. Yeah, we were doing a we started

554
00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:20,519
a doc for a documentary on Bigfoot and big sur

555
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,240
and that's where hers took place. And I've been to

556
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,759
the I've been to that place several times. Yeah, I mean,

557
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:27,920
she's one of the most believable encounters everyone. She goes

558
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,920
they were speaking a language. Well, she's got a PhD

559
00:26:32,039 --> 00:26:35,200
in ancient languages and she's fluent like in nine I

560
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,319
think it's nine languages and two extinct languages, like some

561
00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:42,079
form of Greek or something like whatever. The Dead she's

562
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,119
she's one of the twelve people on the Dead Sea

563
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,839
Scrolls translation team, So I mean she's she's brilliant and

564
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,480
she knows exactly what she's talking about. And she also

565
00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:52,079
found out she didn't know this when she was on

566
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,799
West's show. She found out just afterwards she'd have a

567
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:56,880
massive heart attack and they dated it. She had a

568
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,480
way to make her heart attack, which only like five

569
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,599
percent of people lived through. When they were going through

570
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,000
her medical records, it would have been like right around

571
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000
that exactly at the same time when she had the sighting,

572
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,400
because she woke up the dragon like a drugger. She

573
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,480
says like a half mile or a mile or something whatever.

574
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:15,119
It wasn't that far. It was like two hundred yards

575
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,200
maybe like three hundred and fifty four hundred yards maybe,

576
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,960
but yeah, it's incredible that it happened to her in daylight.

577
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,160
And there were some things. There's the one thing that

578
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,559
I always think was a red flag was that the

579
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:32,480
two like minute will then in the one man in plaid,

580
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:35,119
there's the big guy in the in the smaller fatter guy,

581
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:38,519
the taller skinny guy than that were men in black

582
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:41,400
types that would show up like when people had sightings.

583
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,960
But she talks about that that was only that was

584
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,759
the only red flag on her whole her whole interview

585
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:49,400
a bit. I mean, she she was she and she

586
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,599
talks about she was. She's all the she's got all

587
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,599
the records for this, she's she's she documented everything as

588
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:57,480
well as she could. Oh yeah, she's. She had like

589
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:00,640
a bad flu type symptoms, which is another heart attack.

590
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,880
So like signed, she had every indication of a massive arttecle.

591
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,240
That's just what a badass she is. She finished her

592
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:09,839
job like she went. She traveled over like Canada or

593
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,839
something and flew to Europe like she was. She was

594
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,160
still working like and just she just felt like she

595
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,519
was on the door of death and everyone was asking

596
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:20,960
her what was wrong and yeah, and she she caught

597
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,319
some flack for sure about that. She kind of kept

598
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,880
it on the DL, but I think you know she's

599
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,160
she's kind of a little more open about it now.

600
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: Well, well, I don't listen to any podcasts. I don't

601
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,240
know the story. I don't know anything about it. I

602
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,599
just know Wes as a guy. I don't listen to

603
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:36,759
the program or anything like that.

604
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 5: Cliff, that's that's I mean, it's like not reading like

605
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,759
a John Green book going I don't I don't read books.

606
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:45,480
It's it's it's the one everyone. I mean, people quote

607
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:46,880
it all the time. If you ask people, if you

608
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,519
Askally Everage first, what's your favorite big Foot story you've

609
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:52,839
heard the witness tell she's like ninety percent of the

610
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,440
people's response.

611
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:56,079
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. I know

612
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,759
Sarah is up there. That's who people keep telling me

613
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:00,000
about in the in the museum.

614
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 5: That's because we never had I just didn't have Clarion

615
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,799
out of respect to Wes, because it was like his store,

616
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,440
like his his big whatever, you know, like that everyone

617
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:12,240
associates with him because he uses his intro and all that. Yeah,

618
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:15,960
she's the woman in the British accent and the intro. Yeah,

619
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,039
there's a there's a little ranch across the street, little

620
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,440
farm right across from the where that creek mouth come

621
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:24,960
flows out into the Pacific there on the highway won

622
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,319
the big Serve, and I tried to they would not say.

623
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:31,240
I was like, well, if they're one here, like these

624
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,920
would have to know it, and they would not communicate.

625
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:38,000
They just I waited at their gate one day, like

626
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,720
most of the day, I was just hanging out, and

627
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,920
finally someone came pulled up to pull in, and they're

628
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,559
just like didn't want to talk. You know, We're like,

629
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:49,519
I got you know, this is dangerous to be on

630
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:50,480
the side of the road. I got to you know,

631
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,200
get off. You know, you shouldn't be parking onside the

632
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,200
road here. It's there's a lot of accidents and stuff.

633
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,799
Blah blah bah. There's like, yeah, I gotta go. And

634
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,680
they just drove in the gate. And then I still

635
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,519
wrote him and stuff, and I tracked down like their

636
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:05,079
address and there who they were, their names, and left

637
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,039
a duct tape notes written and I duct tape them

638
00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:12,640
in a baggy like a sandwich baggy, and you know,

639
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,119
keep it waterproof and duct tapment on their gates. They'd

640
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,000
have to see it. And they never never got back

641
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,960
to me. That happens if you're if you're living down there,

642
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,960
you're that rich and you can afford to live down there,

643
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:26,799
and you and you're obviously want privacy that you're you know,

644
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,559
the only person living behind this gate on this little road.

645
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,960
It's like I can see like, oh, you want to

646
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,000
do something to bring tons of attention to my house

647
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:34,720
forget it.

648
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, of course you live out there

649
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:38,039
for a reason, you know.

650
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's definitely like Sarah's everyone's sure witness

651
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,279
on our show. But I think, I mean, West is

652
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:49,400
obviously a much larger audience. I mean, that's the most quote,

653
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,799
and he'll tell you that's definitely the most quote, by far,

654
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,119
the most quoted episode he's ever had, five to one five.

655
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: It's probably why you put her in the intro, right.

656
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, because she's so believable. She's she and she's she's brilliant.

657
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:04,160
She's got like the biggest vocabulary ever, so she can

658
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,480
actually got She sent me her drawings of what she saw.

659
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,559
Speaker 2: She should dig them out. We should post them for

660
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:11,279
the members.

661
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if I can post them. I've

662
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:15,000
been trying to get a hold of her for a

663
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,319
few months. I haven't really get a hold of her. Yeah,

664
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:20,559
we had Claire coming over for that. That's when like

665
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,000
when COVID screwed everything up, because we we had her.

666
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:26,119
She was gonna fly over and we were going to

667
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,759
go to this you know, walk through the whole place

668
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,440
and do like you know, get like a recreation and

669
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,279
all that, but then with COVID then, because that's how

670
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:36,039
she found about her heart because when she went in

671
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,319
for a bunch of testing, like, well, you had a

672
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,400
massive heart attack because was that whole COVID thing. So

673
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,720
she she got it. I guess she got kind of

674
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:46,440
sick and they were real worried about hers. But she

675
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,880
couldn't even fly for so long. And then we were

676
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,240
doing the mark RSE one at that point, and yeah,

677
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,599
I just kind of got overextended.

678
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,279
Speaker 2: Wow, things happen, you know, And hopefully she's okay. Hopefully

679
00:31:59,279 --> 00:31:59,839
she's still out there.

680
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess no one's.

681
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 4: Heard from her for a while, alrighty, So hopefully that

682
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,839
answers the question. And then here is your next written submission.

683
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,599
Speaker 5: Roman Daniels, what are the biggest indicators you personally look

684
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,359
for that suggests a video or image is likely a

685
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,920
hoax or a misidentification. I'm curious about what things experienced

686
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,079
researchers focused on most when trying to separate authentic looking

687
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,279
evidence from costumes, CGI force perspective, or other forms of hoaxing.

688
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,480
Thanks for the insight and keep it squatchy.

689
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,519
Speaker 4: I think you've got to have as many details as

690
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:39,799
possible about the person and the backstory, because there's so

691
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,400
many times where evidence looks really good, but all the

692
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,680
holes are in. You know, the person's not who they

693
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,680
say they are. They don't work where they said they work,

694
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:50,160
they don't have the background that they claim to have had,

695
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:52,559
they weren't where they said they were when they said

696
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:56,400
they were, all these other indicators that it's like, you know,

697
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,880
no matter how good the evidence looks, you have to

698
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,200
corroborate everything it can be corroborated. Obviously, no one's proven

699
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,359
that this asquatch exists yet, so that's the one thing

700
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,880
you really can't corroborate yet. But you know, if you

701
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,880
found multiple errors there were obviously fabrications across just the

702
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,079
person's claims about themselves or their background, then you kind

703
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:21,079
of don't have to dig into too much about like

704
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:24,480
limb ratios or proportions or this, that and the other one.

705
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:27,319
It's like, Okay, well, this person's lying about all of

706
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,119
the mundane stuff, so they're probably not telling the truth

707
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:31,880
about the extraordinary part of it.

708
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,759
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, context means everything, you got to I've

709
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:38,400
had several pictures and videos that I have no context

710
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,839
for that may or may not be real, have no

711
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,599
idea because without that background information, you know, that's really

712
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:46,319
the more probably the most telling thing, I think is

713
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:49,279
the background information. But if all you have is a

714
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:51,720
clip or a picture, a clip in particular, like a

715
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:55,319
video thing, the questions I always ask are, why did

716
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:58,200
you stop filming? You know, like that needs to be present,

717
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,720
you know, like you just need to know that, like

718
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,440
why did you stop filming? There's one piece of footage

719
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,400
that I have access to. It's one of these things

720
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,640
on the top of a mountain basically, and the guy

721
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,639
who supposedly saw it come out of the straw, he

722
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,519
started filming it. At some point he has it just

723
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,440
as it goes over the top. Well, now I know

724
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,320
why that guy stopped filming. The thing was out of sight,

725
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,000
it went over to the next stout. And again I've

726
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,679
never spoken to that witness. It's just one that I

727
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,039
have access to. But that's one of the big questions,

728
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,639
Like if there's no reason to stop filming, but they

729
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,360
did anyway, it's probably a hoax, definitely.

730
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,679
Speaker 5: I mean it looks like for overall, just how does

731
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,079
it look when you first look at it, you know,

732
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:36,400
does it look does it jump out like there's something.

733
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:38,960
I mean, I'm getting definitely better at the AI thing,

734
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:41,239
but I rely on a lot of experts. I was

735
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,559
just I sent it out to other people and that

736
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:45,880
you know, I have the expertise in that area, and

737
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,559
asking one of the things.

738
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because more than one brain is always better

739
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,440
than one brain, you know, Like everybody has something to

740
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,920
add to the pile, to the pile of context or

741
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,679
story or evidence. I think it's a good idea to

742
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,199
share stuff like that with with peers and colleagues that

743
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,119
you trust, because they may see something you don't. It's

744
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:06,119
not a one man effort, by one person effort by

745
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:06,760
any means.

746
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 4: As far as misidentifications go, like those are trickier. But

747
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,239
you know, most of the time, in my experience, the

748
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,000
majority that I've seen, I mean, I've seen a handful

749
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:17,880
of bears that people thought were sasquatches, But more often

750
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,599
than not with any other thing, it's birds. It's birds

751
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,840
in flight, and often in like the downstroke where the

752
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,000
wings are almost like vertical straight up and down, and

753
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:29,679
so at the right angle it looks like a head

754
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,639
and shoulders and long arms, or at a distance it

755
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:35,360
looks like, you know, a body with long legs standing

756
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,639
upright when it's really just a bird and flight coming

757
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,119
straight towards the lens of the camera or straight away

758
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,079
from it. I've seen a number of examples of that.

759
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,840
There was a big one that made the news probably

760
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,760
around like two thousand and nine twenty ten, somewhere thereabouts,

761
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,599
that they called the Kentucky backyard gorilla. You remember that one, yep.

762
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,480
I think we posted some of that stuff through the

763
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,599
members in the last like a year or two, because

764
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,119
I remember digging those up. But yeah, and it really like,

765
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,679
at first glance, it looks like this big black, bulky

766
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,360
thing emerging from the brush with big shoulders and big

767
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,000
long arms. And then you see the whole series of

768
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,679
photos from the game came and you're like, oh, there's

769
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:12,639
a feeder and there's corn on the ground, and there's

770
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:15,480
crows flying like to and from the corn on the

771
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,559
ground all the time. But just one of them is

772
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,440
this kind of cool looking shot where it does look

773
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,760
like this big, bulkier thing, kind of like Roman mentioned

774
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,800
the force perspective, sort of like a perspective issue. But

775
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:29,360
I've seen a lot of different bird images that get

776
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,840
confused for sasquatches.

777
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's one on my website, the Cliffperickman dot

778
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,559
com website. Under the articles, it says what is it?

779
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:39,079
Appearances can be deceiving. I mean I wrote an article

780
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,679
about a misidentified crow essentially, so you can check that

781
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,079
out if you guys want, stay tuned for more Bigfoot

782
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,719
and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back

783
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,719
after these messages.

784
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,679
Speaker 4: So let's grab another voicemail here. We get a lot

785
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,320
of questions to this effect, but this one's pretty specific.

786
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 6: So hey guys, this is Mark McClure. Hey, it was

787
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,840
good to finally meet you in person at the High

788
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,159
Bigfoot Conference. Cliff, I have a question for all three

789
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,880
of you. What are the chances that you guys could

790
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,000
all be at the next one together and do another

791
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:22,079
live podcast episode.

792
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: Thanks really up to Bobo. I mean, I'm probably going

793
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,960
to be there anyway, so beware at an.

794
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 4: Io big Book conference to do another live podcast episode.

795
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 5: Well, we don't have to get together there, I was

796
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,760
tho going, it's easier for Prude to hear the both

797
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,360
of us to go back there only get Prude out

798
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,800
here on the West coast.

799
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 4: We just need a venue and so if there was

800
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,639
a conference that had a sound system and an audience,

801
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,840
you know, and a room that we could record in.

802
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,039
That was the nice thing about Ohio, although we did

803
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,119
not end up being able to use their sound system,

804
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:56,280
and I just had to like set up the Yettie

805
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,559
microphones to just record the ambient room sound because you remember,

806
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:04,119
there was a a very protective technician there at the

807
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:07,039
state park who did not want to give us access

808
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:08,800
to I was like, oh, I just need to line

809
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,480
out from the soundboard, and they were not very happy

810
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,880
about being asked that, and I was trying to be

811
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,679
like very kind, like no, no, this is it'd be

812
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:17,480
really easy, I just need to like plug this one

813
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:20,480
cable in here, and they were they took their job

814
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:24,039
very seriously. So for that, I commend the So that's

815
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:27,800
why it didn't sound like super high quality like crisp

816
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,079
from the soundboard. So but yeah, all we need for

817
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:33,239
a live podcast episode is a venue, and so yeah,

818
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,239
a conference always makes the most sense for that because

819
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,880
there's already people there that are into the subject and

820
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,840
an audience of people who are you know, some of

821
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,239
whom are already listeners, and then microphones, like all the

822
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,920
infrastructures in place, but it would be awesome to do

823
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,360
with the Ohio conference. But I would say if if

824
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,559
you all kind folks nudge our good man marked Worth

825
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,480
to facilitate such a thing, that will probably up your chances.

826
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,039
Speaker 5: We can have to delimited just to Ohio. Oh oh.

827
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: I agree, But the question was Ohio specifically.

828
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,599
Speaker 5: Holocaust is cool. It's kind of pain the ass to

829
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:08,079
get there.

830
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is by far one of the best conferences.

831
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking forward to wasn't. I wasn't really thinking

832
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,880
about having like a live crowd there. But I was

833
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,760
just thinking, like if Fruit came out to fill out

834
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,440
to Portland and I drove up, then we could do

835
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,440
like out the field stuff more like we could do

836
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:29,639
like kind of like you know, some searching around, do

837
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,079
some night stuff whatever.

838
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,559
Speaker 4: That would be awesome. We will make that happen in September,

839
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:38,000
right after the Alaska Bigfoot Cruise. Tickets available in the

840
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,679
show notes. You grab the next written question for you

841
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,079
and there you go.

842
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:48,679
Speaker 2: Cliff, Okay, it is from Paul Ray. Ticks seemed to

843
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,920
be getting more prevalent in the eastern half of the country,

844
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,079
and alpha gal syndrome is on the rise. I don't

845
00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,880
know what that is. Is it possible for a sasquatch

846
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,599
it's a contract or Alpha gall syndrome. What would the

847
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,920
implications be to their population if they can't consume any

848
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,079
mammalian meat. I am looking forward to cryptocon this year,

849
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:14,519
especially since it's been moved fifteen minutes from home. Thank you.

850
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:15,519
Speaker 5: Yeah.

851
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 4: Alpha gal is a tick transmitted disease that gives people

852
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:23,880
extreme adverse reactions to eating mammalian meat. And I've had

853
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,719
several friends who've contracted it. I'll double check it, but

854
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,760
I think it's the lone star tick that transmits that.

855
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,119
But yeah, so I've had friends that have gone out

856
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,360
in the field, come home, found a tick on them.

857
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,199
Remove the tick, you know, sometime later, or at a

858
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,239
restaurant eating a steak or a hamburger, and then their

859
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,679
throat starts to close up and they start, you know,

860
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,679
having extreme allergic symptoms, and you know, very shocking to

861
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,079
them because they eat meat their whole lives and they

862
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,760
have to switch to entirely like chicken, fish, et cetera.

863
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,599
So it sounds awful because I am a lover of

864
00:40:56,679 --> 00:40:59,239
mammalian meat. And so it is a good question as

865
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,039
to whether or not sasquatches might be susceptible to such

866
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:05,159
a thing if there is already some immunity that they

867
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,480
might have to tick born illnesses given that they existed

868
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:11,920
alongside ticks for however long, Or maybe it's like a

869
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,239
blood volume thing that you know, does that maybe that

870
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,239
does not apply to tickborn illnesses in the same way that, like,

871
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,280
you know, snake venom is going to be less potent

872
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,960
the more blood volume an animal has, and so you know,

873
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:25,719
a very large animal will have very little reaction to

874
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,000
a snake bite versus you know, something much smaller with

875
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,360
like the amount of volume of the venom in the

876
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,880
bloodstream overall, et cetera, like proportionally. So I don't know,

877
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,559
that is a really good question, though I hadn't thought

878
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:39,760
about that before, but I definitely think about alpha gal

879
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,639
a lot. You always should treat all your clothes with

880
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,760
pometerne it'll kill any ticks that get on your clothes

881
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,400
if you treat them properly, and that should be just

882
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:53,440
everything socks, boots, pants, shirts, undershirts, all the above, hats,

883
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,960
like anything you wear that a tick might get on

884
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,920
before it attaches to your skin. So yeah, it's definitely

885
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,760
a concern, So that is a good question. So according

886
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,000
to the web, the lone star tick is the main

887
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,920
tick associated with alpha gal syndrome in the United States.

888
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:09,159
A few other tick species can also be linked to

889
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:11,440
alpha gal syndrome in some regions, but the lone star

890
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:15,880
tick is the most common United States based cause. So

891
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,280
make sure you google that, folks and learn how to

892
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,719
identify the loan star tick and be very vigilant in

893
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,280
the woods.

894
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,599
Speaker 2: Well, I just did a quick search are apes susceptible

895
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:27,320
to alpha gal? And they said, I'm just going to

896
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,159
read this directly off of Google here. Yeah, apes are

897
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,239
theoretically susceptible to alpha gel syndrome because they share the

898
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,599
same biological quirk that humans do. Their cells do not

899
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,679
produce the alpha gal sugar molecule. I didn't even know

900
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:43,239
about that either. However, the syndrome is incredibly rare or

901
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,360
practically non existent in wild apes, largely due to different

902
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,400
immune responses and behaviors, so I'm not sure if that

903
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,800
sheds any light on it. So I would assume that

904
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,360
much like poison oak that I'm guessing sasquatches are probably

905
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,480
resistant to poison oak, just like dear kind of are

906
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,280
I think deer actually eat it, if I remember right,

907
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,840
so they might have some sort of like an immune

908
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,599
response to it that allows them to skirt by without it.

909
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,000
But then again maybe not. Do you have alpha gal

910
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,760
out there, Bobes besides Kartas she's kind of the alpha

911
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,599
gal your household.

912
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 5: I haven't heard of it here. I think it's all

913
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,480
down like down there, isn't it.

914
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

915
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: I don't know.

916
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,599
Speaker 2: In general, we don't have a lot of ticks here,

917
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,760
although I did literally see a news item today that

918
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,880
ticks are on our side of the mountain and pretty

919
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,000
bad this year. And yesterday I got had a conversation

920
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:34,079
with Nico, a former museum manager moved on to bigger

921
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,000
and better things, and he said that where he works,

922
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,320
they have just yesterday or two days ago, and I

923
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,360
think it was it was yesterday yesterday, So two days

924
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,920
ago they picked four ticks off themselves while out in

925
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,880
the woods. So ticks are definitely becoming a thing on

926
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,400
my side of the mountain. Generally speaking, it was mostly

927
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,639
on the eastern side of the Cascades and a little

928
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,719
but they were here, just not very many of them.

929
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,679
But apparently this year is kind of an exception, they're

930
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:04,039
getting worse, and you know, with the ticks are really

931
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:06,480
doing a number and making a comeback. I guess in

932
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,119
places where they weren't just that weren't very prevalent, But

933
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,760
there's a lot of them in various places now. So

934
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,920
hopefully I don't have to find out about this. I'm

935
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,360
on a need to know basis with all tick borne diseases,

936
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,000
and hopefully I don't need to know anything as so.

937
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just remember like being up there, I'm saying

938
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,119
that there's no ticks west of the west side of

939
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:26,039
the Cascades. I was like, yeah, right, I freaking have

940
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,760
pulled this is like twenty five years ago, like thirty

941
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,719
years ago. I remember pulling ticks off me up there. Yeah.

942
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: I think down in the valley there's more, you know,

943
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,280
down in the Willamette Valley, because I've got you know,

944
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,280
almost at a thousand feet here where I live on

945
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,159
the side of the Cascades. But I think down there

946
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,239
that there are ticks, There are poison there is poison oak,

947
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,360
and there are rattlesnakes, and those three things are largely

948
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,159
absent from my general area. Maybe it's an altitude thing,

949
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,320
or I don't know. Yeah, and I'm not saying that

950
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:56,119
they're not here either, mind you. I've gotten poisoned things

951
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:57,920
in the woods, although I think I got a western

952
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,920
poison ivy, not poison oak, because I know what poison

953
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,760
oak looks like. You know, up here there's just less

954
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,719
of it, but down in lower elevations it seems to

955
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,079
be much more prevalent. And I think all three of

956
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,559
those items, you know, poison oak, ticks, and rattlesnakes, are

957
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:13,719
just more prevalent in the lower elevations here and then

958
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,880
on the eastern side of the Cascades, where it's more

959
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,800
desert y and dry.

960
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got crazy. I mean the poison nook. I

961
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,159
haven't seen a compass. There's a lot of it.

962
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. When I was out last week in southern Oregon,

963
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:30,880
it was everywhere, everywhere, and somehow I didn't get it.

964
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,719
It's been a number of days now. I should have

965
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,679
shown the signs of it if I got it, but

966
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,079
I skirted that one. But generally speaking, if there's an

967
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,719
opportunity to get some sort of poison plant on me,

968
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,800
I will do so. And ticks too, my god, tics

969
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,719
they're not even they're not even insects. They're racknids, and

970
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,360
I can't think of one iraqnid that that I think

971
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,000
is adorable.

972
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,199
Speaker 5: Oh that little tiny there's a one of the couple

973
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,079
of most saic spider. It's like one inch. It's like

974
00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:59,000
a jumping spider.

975
00:45:59,079 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: Is beautiful.

976
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:00,639
Speaker 5: Oh really?

977
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: Okay, well let me look this up. Mosaic spider.

978
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 5: I think that kind of what they're called it down

979
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:07,320
South America.

980
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: I think, oh, you know what, those are beautiful, But

981
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:13,320
at the same time, I don't think they're going to

982
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,000
make stuffed animals out of them and you know, sell

983
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:15,559
them the kids.

984
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 5: Kids like dinosaurs.

985
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, well those are cute. Yeah, but can imagine like

986
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:25,840
selling tick plushies at like a natural history museum.

987
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 5: That'd be pretty good.

988
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: You can you can have the bloated one, the one

989
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,400
engorged with blood or without.

990
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, this is not what I was talking about.

991
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,599
Speaker 2: Well, they're pretty though, like the translucent legs and.

992
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,199
Speaker 5: Oh, Cliff, it's a peacock spider.

993
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: Oh peacock spider.

994
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 7: Okay, hold on, they are adorable and I do see

995
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,280
here it looks like alpha gu According to this search,

996
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,840
Alpha gau syndrome appears to have been recognized in the

997
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,039
US since the early two thousands, with the condition first

998
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,519
identified in two thousand and seven and earlier case patterns

999
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,199
going back to the nineties in Georgia, but it didn't

1000
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,920
become widely reported in the US population until it looks

1001
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,960
like roughly around like twenty ten. So the only reason

1002
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,480
I bring that up is like maybe Sasquatches might have

1003
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:15,039
some sort of like a evolved immunity.

1004
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:17,199
Speaker 4: But I don't know where the origins of alpha gal

1005
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,800
come from. If it is something that's like newly emerged

1006
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,280
in the US just in the last twenty five plus years,

1007
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,440
or if it's something that's been around in North America

1008
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:26,559
for a very long time. I have to do some

1009
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:29,320
more research, but I do think it is a good

1010
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,920
and relevant question from Paul there.

1011
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a good one. And Bobo, yes, peacock

1012
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,360
spiders are cute. I can see making a plushy out

1013
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:36,639
of those.

1014
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 5: I sit corrected, Yeah, I lie down, corrected.

1015
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

1016
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:47,880
Will be right back after these messages.

1017
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 4: So this is a hard hitting question from one of

1018
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,280
our listeners in Georgia we have chatted with before.

1019
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 5: From near my hometown.

1020
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: This one's for the Bobes.

1021
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 5: JD felt. What is Bobo's favorite Beatus and Buttead episode?

1022
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:14,079
Oh man, it's been so long since I've seen those. Oh,

1023
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:17,320
I love that first movie they do America.

1024
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 4: The movie was very funny.

1025
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,639
Speaker 5: I love that one and then got it favorite episode

1026
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,880
I know I have one. Oh, you know, it's just

1027
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,000
been listen like twenty years since it's been on or more.

1028
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,639
I guess they got the new ones back now. God,

1029
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,639
I'm trying to think I was more. I don't know.

1030
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:42,760
I just love those guys I've ever seen like I

1031
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,440
saw I was not too long ago. I watched one recently.

1032
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,960
I was like, man, it's not the best use of time.

1033
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,519
I'm watching beat Us about Henry Rhones.

1034
00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: A day not wasted as a wasted day Bobes.

1035
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 5: I used to think I was cheering, and now I don't.

1036
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 4: I never think of them in terms of episodes, but

1037
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,079
I always think about them in terms of like the

1038
00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:07,239
music videos that they parody, and so you remember the

1039
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,679
one where they did Rolins Band's Liar That was that

1040
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,159
one is so funny that one always comes to mind

1041
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:16,480
whenever people reference Bevis. But I mean they did so

1042
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:19,760
many funny takes on music videos, but that one in particular,

1043
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,000
like always made me laugh.

1044
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love the Then our buddies were on there,

1045
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,920
the Lords of Brooklyn, this wrap gerup out of Brooklyn,

1046
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,599
New York, who were just classic classic dudes, you know,

1047
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,719
full full Guido guys, and they totally ripped on those guys.

1048
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,039
I remember laughing. But that's because I knew those guys.

1049
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:41,239
I've made it extra find me.

1050
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,079
Speaker 4: You have to dig into those I'll find them Rowlin's

1051
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:47,360
video thing and put a link to that in the

1052
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,360
show notes because I red it was quite funny.

1053
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: There you go.

1054
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,199
Speaker 4: And then for the final question here for this June

1055
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,239
twenty sixth Q and A. Here is a often asked question,

1056
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,000
but it's been a while since we've answered this one particularly,

1057
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,880
but I think there's a few things worth considering here

1058
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,119
beyond just the general gist of the question. So here's

1059
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:07,000
the last question for you.

1060
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:11,599
Speaker 2: Cliff Anthony Schultz asks who would a person contact if

1061
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:14,000
they came across the body or a skeleton of a

1062
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,119
sasasquatch give it a chance, set if it were reported

1063
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:19,519
to any governmental department, they would try to cover it

1064
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:23,280
up or keep it from the public. Call me, Yeah,

1065
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,199
call one of us. We'll get you in contact with

1066
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:27,079
the right folks, which of course is Darby or cut

1067
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:30,039
essentially at this moment. Yeah, we've got direct contact with

1068
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,159
all these people, So get ahold of us as soon

1069
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:35,360
as possible, and in the meantime, take samples, cut off things,

1070
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,760
hide them, don't tell people about it. We'll get it done.

1071
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:38,440
We'll prove this thing.

1072
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 5: I'll be over it before you go out, before you

1073
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:45,400
get on an any kind of electronic like communication like internet,

1074
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:50,039
phone anything, text, like hide some parts where no one's

1075
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:51,559
gonna find them. They're not going to get dug up

1076
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,039
and eat and buy another animal or whatever, or just

1077
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:57,119
like they're not going to cook somewhere like put it

1078
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,880
somewhere cool, dry and slash it.

1079
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,119
Speaker 2: Yep, pretty much. But yeah, contact one of us. Russ

1080
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:06,840
Jones would be a good person or some trusted researcher

1081
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,440
in your area. I guess, although the people you trust

1082
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,719
me not be the same people I trust.

1083
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a lot to consider. I mean, I

1084
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,679
do think that there is it's worth again, I don't

1085
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:18,599
think there's a cover up, But like I said earlier,

1086
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:21,400
you should probably act as if sasquatches are watching you,

1087
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,039
you should probably act as if there is a cover up,

1088
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:26,280
just in case, because I can't hurt it, give him

1089
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,639
the chance. But I do think eventually one of the

1090
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:31,519
things I referenced in the book, because I love the

1091
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:34,599
book Ghost Grizzlies, and there's a case in there about

1092
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:37,679
a guy named Ed Wiseman who was considered to be

1093
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,159
the man who killed the last of the Colorado Grizzlies,

1094
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,320
and he killed it in self defense. You know, the

1095
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,920
grizzly was supposedly extirpated by it for twenty seven years

1096
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,039
by the point that he was attacked by one and

1097
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:50,199
had to kill it in self defense. If you want

1098
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,800
to read a harrowing story. It got on top of

1099
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,079
him and he was able to kill it by pulling

1100
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:57,159
an arrow out of his quiver and killing it with

1101
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:01,039
the arrow in his hand, by hand, so not with firearm,

1102
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:02,840
you know, not with a bow and arrow, but like

1103
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,800
with a bear on top of him and an arrow

1104
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,639
in his hand. There was a massive federal and state

1105
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,280
investigation huge, I think it was like a six month

1106
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,480
long investigation into the event, and then a lot that

1107
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:18,480
went along with it, and so you know, being members

1108
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,519
of organizations that had a lot of conversations about specimen

1109
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:25,000
collection or trying to find the remains of a naturally

1110
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:28,039
deceased specimen. You know, we've had these conversations a zillion times,

1111
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:31,920
and I think there would often be this sentiment of like, well,

1112
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:35,480
you know, we'll collect it and stash it away, and

1113
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:38,159
certainly you can just turn it into you know, whatever

1114
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,639
lab or institution can look at it and keeps the

1115
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:44,119
details private. And I just don't think that's ever going

1116
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:46,920
to be possible, because I think that if you're going

1117
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,760
to consider that the Sasquatch is probably the biggest biological

1118
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,840
or the biggest wildlife discovery in American history, I do

1119
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,400
think it will be accompanied by the most intensive wildlife

1120
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:05,320
investigation in American history. And so the question would be like, well,

1121
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,559
where did you find this thing? And who owns it?

1122
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,119
Based on where you found it. So it could be

1123
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:13,360
the case that if it's on federal land, you know,

1124
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,159
a national forest, national park or something like that, you

1125
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,480
might squirrel some of it away and get it out

1126
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,800
to Darby or whoever get it out to the media,

1127
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,559
so the discovery is made before suppression can happen. But

1128
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,559
I don't think there's any getting around the legal requirement

1129
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:32,039
that like, you need to show us exactly where this

1130
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,280
was found. And a lot of people say, oh, I

1131
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,880
would never tell, or if they're on a team of people,

1132
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,679
well none of us would ever tell who had it

1133
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,519
or who handled it. It's like, yeah, you wait until

1134
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:43,960
you know. I used to joke and say, like, wait

1135
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:46,280
until the Feds are banging on your door saying who

1136
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,280
was with you on that team and who picked it up?

1137
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,800
And see who folds like a napkin. And then it

1138
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,199
was just out in the field with a friend of

1139
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,360
mine who's in law enforcement, and he said, Oh, they're

1140
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,039
not going to knock on your door. They're going to

1141
00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:58,760
drag you to a facility and hold you in an

1142
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,119
interrogation room for a long time and intimidate the heck

1143
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:04,480
out of you and then ask you who was there,

1144
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:06,719
where'd you find it? And if you think everyone on

1145
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,440
your team is going to keep their lips sealed when

1146
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,119
they're being threatened with, you know, obstruction of justice, et cetera.

1147
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,719
So I think the best policy would be to just

1148
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,639
say like, yeah, I found it in this place, But

1149
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,760
that's going to have implications like does the state own it?

1150
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,519
Because in a lot of places, the state owns whatever

1151
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:26,159
wildlife occurs in that state, even if it's on federal land.

1152
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:29,559
If it's novel, like something that's totally undiscovered, would the

1153
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:31,880
Feds own it. Would they be able to say, actually,

1154
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:34,960
we are in possession of that now, no matter how

1155
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,840
much of it you have in your possession, how much

1156
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,480
of it you're hiding, how much you sent to another lab,

1157
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,159
et cetera. So there's there's so much to think about

1158
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:45,039
and consider that it's just totally a gray area. This

1159
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:48,840
is all speculation, but I would suspect, based on these

1160
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,440
other prior cases, that it will come along with the

1161
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:58,400
most extensive, intensive investigation that's ever occurred for any sort

1162
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,599
of wildlife related discovery, et cetera, Because well, how did

1163
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:05,960
you get there, how did it die? Did someone shoot it,

1164
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:07,920
was it hit by vehicle, you know, whatever the case

1165
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,960
may be. But they're gonna want to know exactly where

1166
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,960
you found it. I don't think there's any getting around that.

1167
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:13,159
Speaker 2: I really don't.

1168
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 4: And they might be able to subpoena the records of

1169
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,599
you know, your phone service provider or you know Google,

1170
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,119
if you've if you use like an Android or any

1171
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:25,880
Google services or Google Maps and figure out, like exactly

1172
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,400
where you were standing that day at that time when

1173
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,159
you found this specimen. So who knows. But I think

1174
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honesty is always going to be the best policy with

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with those things. But I don't think there's any getting

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around it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the great things about having Darby

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involved is that he's already thought through a lot of

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these you know, end results, and he knows the laws,

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and he's dealing with tribes. He's dealing with a lot

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of things that people are not just you know, oh,

1182
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Darby's doing DNA. No, he's doing so much more than that,

1183
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so so much more than that, And he's thought through

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as any number of conceivable ends to this, and so

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get it out of your hands so you're not responsible

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for it. I think as the best, the best way

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forward for any you know, civilian, this should be handled

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by an institution, and Darby's the answer to that one.

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Speaker 4: Here here, Well, we got a boatload of questions from

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our pigeonry, from our members. So if you fellas like

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we can transfer over to that side of the proverbial

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fence and answer their burning questions, that would be great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, folks, Thanks for joining us again on

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the Bigfoot and Beyond. We appreciate it. It like hit share.

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If you got any questions or you have a sighting

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of your own and account of your own, let us know.

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You can write or just leave a voicemail. All right,

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So until next week, y'all, keep it squatchy.

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