WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:11.800 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining me today on 2 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:14.439 Jay Sleigh USA. I'm so glad you're here. We have 3 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:19.120 a very special show for you today, very special guest, Jaydyer, 4 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:21.879 somebody had been following for a while at a distance, 5 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:25.320 and just he's going to be the perfect guy, I think, 6 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:28.079 to cover the material that so badly needs to be 7 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:31.160 covered today. And this is a subject being Epstein, the 8 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:35.439 Epstein Files, and the Christian conscience about it, as well 9 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:39.600 as the Christian conundrum, especially with the Christian Zionist crowd. 10 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:41.320 You know, what are we seeing from them? What are 11 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:45.759 they doing and why so? Jay Dyer is a YouTuber, 12 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:48.960 a Christian apologist, author, and public debater who's known for 13 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:53.119 his sharp analysis and fearless engagement with controversial topics. He 14 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:55.799 is a former I believe he's a former Protestant who 15 00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:00.640 converted to Orthodoxy, and he brings a deep theological, historical, 16 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.040 and philosophical lens to everything he does. He's been featured 17 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.640 on many major platforms and is respected for his debating 18 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.959 ability and research skills. I discovered Jay seeing him debate 19 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:14.640 this weird way to discover him. He was debating the 20 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:17.599 Misfit Patriot all right, And this was a guy who 21 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:20.920 just I think he just badly wanted attention. But he 22 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:24.599 was coming out strong with all the major Zionist talking points. 23 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:27.959 Even though he wasn't really good at the hasbara, he 24 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:31.120 still did it strongly. So he was being featured on 25 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:34.200 like Rabbis shows and these Christian Zionists would you have 26 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:37.280 him on their shows? And Jay basically put him to 27 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:39.959 bed pretty quickly. I actually think that this guy did 28 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:43.200 not complete the interview if I remember, or the debate. 29 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:46.519 So what was clear to me though that was Jay 30 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.280 was not just a guy who argues well or debates well. 31 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.280 He studies, He knows the background to things that he's 32 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:56.439 talking about, so there's some credibility and substance there. So 33 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:59.079 we could probably come on and talk about a whole 34 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.799 lot of topics that affect the Christian world. But based 35 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:04.879 on where we're at right now with this whole Epstein thing, 36 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:06.920 I thought, who better to come on my show and 37 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:10.800 do a deep dive into the Epstein files and the 38 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:15.400 reaction to it, especially among the Christian world, than Jay Dyer. 39 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.159 So with that, Jay, thanks again for coming on. Glad 40 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:18.520 to have you. 41 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:23.599 Thanks Jeremy, Glad to be with you. Do I need 42 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.479 to repeat what we I don't mind you don't know 43 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:26.280 not at all. 44 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:29.120 Don't worry about it a bit. I think what you 45 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:31.000 were giving was a background and you said this is 46 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.520 actually the way that it's worked ever since Old Testament days. 47 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:37.199 You go and yeah, and we will. I'm sure cover it, 48 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.080 and you know as we talk here, but let's start 49 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:41.520 with this, Jay, I want to start with you because 50 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:44.080 I really have not had this conversation with you. Can 51 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:46.719 you give us the high level background of your journey 52 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:50.680 from I think you were an Evangelical Protestant to Orthodoxy. 53 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:52.759 And I'll say I have people in my feed all 54 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:56.400 the time saying, Jeremy, will you please try your local 55 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.639 Orthodox church, you know, because they know the problem I'm having. Really, 56 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:01.479 So anyway, fire away, man. 57 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:02.719 Yeah. 58 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:06.560 I was raised Baptist, come from a military family, so 59 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:10.319 my family moved a lot when I was young, and 60 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:14.199 we ended up in California for a while San Diego, 61 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:15.280 my dad was in the military. 62 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.680 Then we moved back to Tennessee and I went to was. 63 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:22.319 Originally going to go to Bible College when I graduated 64 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:25.000 high school, so I went to some Baptist schools for 65 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.360 a while and ended up kind of questioning a lot 66 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:29.199 of the Baptist stuff because I was really into church 67 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.360 history and reading about the formation of the Biblical can 68 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:35.439 and how it came together. And I was really young, 69 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:37.879 that was in my young my early twenties, maybe twenty 70 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:40.120 twenty one, when I was doing a lot of that reading, 71 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:42.840 and I bought the Church Father set here that you 72 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:45.080 see behind me, so that that kind of got me 73 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:49.919 all focused on early Church and the Batristic era, and 74 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:52.479 I had a lot of questions. This is back in 75 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:54.599 like twentyd and one, two and three. There weren't a 76 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:57.240 lot of a whole lot of internet resources on this 77 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:01.120 stuff back at that time, so I ended up kind 78 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:05.400 of in the Catholic Protestant debate world, not myself debating, 79 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:07.520 yet just kind of consuming a lot of that and 80 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:09.719 trying to work through that content. I spent a little 81 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:14.319 bit of time at a evangelical seminary, and while I 82 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.199 was in the midst of those classes and doing a 83 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:21.000 lot of reading, I just couldn't reconcile the biblical case 84 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:25.319 for tradition and the Biblical canon with what I had 85 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.920 been assuming was just sort of the de facto given 86 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:32.759 position of solo scripture and whatnot. So long story short, 87 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:35.920 that read me. That led me into a long period 88 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.240 throughout my twenties of being a Roman Catholic. So all 89 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.319 of my twenties I was a traditional Catholic, went to 90 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:45.600 the Latin Mass, got very into Thomas Aquinas and Catholic apologetics. 91 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:47.879 But I was also at the same time really interested 92 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:51.800 in philosophy. Ended up leaving Baptist Bible College and I 93 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:55.399 went in seminary and I went to a just four 94 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:59.279 year standard state university and I did my undergraduate in 95 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:05.000 philosophy in history, and then did grad work in English and. 96 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.199 Philosophy that cognate discipline there. 97 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:12.800 Long story short, So I was studying film, I was 98 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:17.519 studying philosophy, I was studying semiotics and symbolism and film, 99 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:19.959 and I was doing grad work on Ian Fleming at 100 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:23.399 the same time as being really interested in theology and 101 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:26.839 the Bible and apologetics. And I would say around twenty 102 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:29.040 I was interested in Orthodoxy about two thousand and seven 103 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:32.360 and eight and started reading the Eastern Church Fathers, reading 104 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:37.120 a lot on Orthodox theology, but I held off and 105 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:42.000 it didn't end up becoming Orthodox until about twenty sixteen. Seventeen, 106 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.319 I was getting more serious about it, and then I 107 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:48.759 think I came in about twenty eighteen. So I've been 108 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:52.399 orthodox in twenty eighteen. But I think the weird part 109 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:54.120 is a lot of people on the internet. I'm not 110 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:56.240 speaking about you, just in general, like people usually think 111 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:57.959 of people as like doing one thing. 112 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:00.720 You know, he's the guy that does the debates. 113 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.879 Actually we were doing on my channel, my sphere, we 114 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:07.879 were doing a lot of movie film stuff. Way before 115 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:10.279 I even had the idea to do a debate. That 116 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:12.160 just kind of happened accidentally. Somebody said, hey, would you 117 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.879 debate this atheist guy, and then that led to another 118 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:16.399 atheist debate, and then so I said, hey, will you 119 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:18.040 debate this Muslim guy? And then that led to a 120 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:21.360 bunch of Muslim debates, and then that just snowballed on 121 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:25.439 its own. But we were doing a lot of film analysis. 122 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:26.519 For example. I just thought this was funny. 123 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.600 I was writing film analysis stuff that was coinciding with 124 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:31.360 my grad work. 125 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:33.680 And so in twenty sixteen I. 126 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.600 Published a book, Essoty Hollywood, and I just want to 127 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:39.600 note that in the first chapter I talked about the 128 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:44.560 rothchilds and sex cults and networks and espionage. I talked 129 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:47.879 about how films were actually telling us this, and I got. 130 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:48.839 A lot of flak from that. 131 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:52.120 What year was that, Jay, Well, the essay was written 132 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.480 in twenty fourteen or fifteen, and then the book was 133 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.920 published in twenty sixteen. So, but the first book I 134 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.480 read on ritual stuff was actually two thousand and four, 135 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:06.000 and it was William Kennedy's It was a really rare text. 136 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:06.920 Now you can't really find it. 137 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:09.279 William Kennedy's book Lucifer's Lodge that came out in two 138 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:12.800 thousand and fourth, the first journalistic work on the history 139 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:16.720 of the PDP skin on the Roman Catholic world and 140 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:21.639 the abuse going on there. So anyway, I've been into 141 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:22.920 this kind of stuff for a long time. But you 142 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.399 mentioned this journey. You know, for me it wasn't just 143 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:29.759 theological it was also the geopolitical conspiracy world too. I 144 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:31.959 kind of came out of the Christian Zionist stuff back 145 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.839 even when I was a Protestant, so at Baptist Bible 146 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:38.600 College and then at the seminary I was at, I 147 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:40.600 was under the influence of a lot of Calvinists and 148 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.720 a lot of people like Greg Bonnson, and they had 149 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:46.720 already written some stuff back in the late nineties that 150 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:48.720 I was reading in the early two thousands that kind 151 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:51.759 of got me out of the evangelical dispensational perspective. So 152 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:54.879 I got into you know, post millennial type theology in 153 00:07:54.920 --> 00:08:00.600 the early two thousands, reading David Chilton and Onsen and 154 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:04.879 Rush June and all those guys Ken Gentry, and then 155 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:08.079 I kind of, you know, that partially transitioned to me. 156 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:10.439 Not it wasn't just eschatology, but that some of that 157 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.279 theology is kind of what propelled me as well to 158 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.319 you know, leave Christian Zionism and dispensationalism and all that 159 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:16.720 which I. 160 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:17.360 Was raised with. 161 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.759 So but I also, you know, was starting to realize 162 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:25.920 that there's stuff going on in the geopolitical realm, which 163 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:27.879 at that time I just thought it was conspiracy stuff. 164 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:29.959 I was watching Alex Jones' and stuff back in two 165 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:31.839 thousand and two or three. It was the first time 166 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:33.440 I saw some of his material, and he was talking 167 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:36.039 about scull and Bones and Mahemian grove and so what 168 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.000 is this? And I remember I heard about Anthony Sutton 169 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.200 had a book on skull and Bones, and I bought 170 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:46.240 that book and then I watched Alex's documentaries and got 171 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.480 really heavy into the conspiracy world. And then I started realizing, 172 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:51.960 I think I was in a unique position. And I'll 173 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:53.440 shut up here in a second because I don't want 174 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:55.320 to bore you, But I was in a unique position 175 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:57.480 because I think a lot of people, you know, when 176 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:59.559 they get into this kind of stuff, they're they're getting 177 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:01.639 into it through the Internet, and as was I. But 178 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:04.759 this was back in the early two thousands, and I 179 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:07.240 was also studying this stuff, right, So I was taking 180 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.399 philosophy classes, I was taking film classes, and I started 181 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:15.279 noticing that there's a real parallel between what I was 182 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:18.559 seeing in the conspiracy world on the Internet and what 183 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:21.559 I was seeing in movies. And I've always been early 184 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:26.080 into the film and always been a film buff, and 185 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:29.240 so yeah, I just started focusing on the relationship between 186 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:33.000 Hollywood and intelligence agencies, between cults and Hollywood and cults 187 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:36.279 and intelligence agencies. And I just kept finding these overlaps, 188 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:40.200 and certain books would come my way, and academic journals 189 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:42.600 and things, and oh yeah, of course this director, this 190 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:44.720 Hollywood person, they worked for the CIA, they worked for 191 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:48.360 the OSS, they were you know, confidential informats and you 192 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:51.360 would find these details about a list actors and producers 193 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:53.759 and people that how come I never heard this that 194 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:56.559 this you know person was a spy in real life 195 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:59.519 and so that was its own rabbit hole and so forth. 196 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:02.159 So anyway, long story short, I eventually put it into 197 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:05.840 a book and then you know, that led to hosting 198 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:10.639 for Alex for the last six years on most Fridays, 199 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.120 so I've been able to do that, and then, you know, 200 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:15.440 so it's it's sort of like a bunch of separate 201 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.559 things that we do, writing for Sam Hide, doing comedy, 202 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:21.000 that kind of stuff, but they all kind of overlap 203 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:24.120 because you know, in the Internet world, all of these 204 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:27.320 seemingly crazy areas, they all kind of like merge together 205 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:32.200 in one, one infinite scrolling feed of insanity. So yeah, anyway, yeah, 206 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:34.559 that's that's how I got to where we are now, 207 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:40.639 you know, debates, comedy, writing the books on movies, all 208 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:41.360 that kind of stuff. 209 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:44.600 Yeah, you know, it's interesting people that spend the years 210 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.320 that it takes, and I would say, I'm I've spent 211 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:49.799 years now researching. We all come at this from our 212 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:53.279 own angles. But if there's one true story that is 213 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:56.759 being told, and there's the there's if there is objective truth, 214 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.919 then when we detach from the stories we were told 215 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.000 which made sense to us when we weren't smart enough 216 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:06.159 to ask the questions. Okay, then you detach, and then 217 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:09.159 you feel like A girl called me this morning and 218 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:10.919 she was she's in this. She's like, I feel like 219 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:13.480 I'm in a dizzy bat race. I feel like I've 220 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:16.200 detached from all these people that I thought because she 221 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:18.759 worked heavy I'll tell you exactly what it was. She 222 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.600 worked in the heavy pro life industry with Lyla Rose 223 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:26.320 and did all these things with these various Catholic five 224 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:30.519 oh one c threes. But these people won't touch Epstein. 225 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.679 They won't touch you know, the genocide and Gaza, the 226 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:35.440 amount of kids that have died over there. They won't 227 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:37.919 touch it. And it's driving her insane. And she's like, 228 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:39.720 I now don't know what to do. I don't know 229 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:41.879 what to believe other than She's like, I believe in Jesus, 230 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:45.480 but I feel so disoriented because all the leaders that 231 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.159 I'm supposed to trust and respect have gone silent on 232 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:49.960 the biggest issue of our times. And I was like, 233 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:53.039 tell me about it, you know, But what I was 234 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.919 going to say is people detached, they get dizzy. Then 235 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:58.080 they start finding some of these threads that make sense. 236 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.039 And it's a long process, but eventually you come to 237 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:04.720 a place where when you figure out what's going on 238 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:08.279 and who's pulling the levers of power, it starts to 239 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.679 make a whole lot of sense again. And so I 240 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:13.320 just want to encourage the people watching, like, Man, I'm confused. 241 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.279 If you stick around and you really care about the truth, 242 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:17.679 and you tell me, Jay, if you agree with this, 243 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:21.120 if you really care and you you are seeking God 244 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:23.480 and seeking truth, you were going to come back to 245 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:28.080 a firm foundation where life and the stories around us 246 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:31.240 make coherent sense. That's that's what I believe. 247 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:38.279 What do you think, Jay, Yeah, you know the existence 248 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:41.919 of this extreme form of evil, you know, in all 249 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:44.720 in all capacities, pretty much everything that you could think 250 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:45.679 of as the most evil. 251 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:47.600 I mean, I think this kind of triggers a lot 252 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.360 of people to also realize that, well, if there's this 253 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.399 much evil, then there probably is a reality to the good. 254 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:55.399 And I don't I don't mean that in some kind 255 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:57.519 of weird gnostic way. I'm just I'm just saying that 256 00:12:57.600 --> 00:12:59.399 I think that this is what happens to a lot 257 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.039 of people and see so many comments and people saying, man, 258 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:04.519 if this kind of evil stuff is real and this 259 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:05.840 is what's going on, then there's. 260 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:06.399 Got to be a God. 261 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:09.639 There's got to be spiritual good and not just spiritual evil. 262 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.440 So yeah, you know, in regard to the Roman Catholic Church, 263 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:15.120 you know, that's a world that I was in for 264 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.240 you know, about a decade, and I know it. 265 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.879 I know it very well. It's been many years since 266 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:20.600 I was in that world. 267 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:24.080 But you know, since leaving and seeing it, you know, 268 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:25.840 I don't hate Catholics. I think because I do a 269 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:27.440 lot of debates with the Roman Catholics, people think that 270 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:30.799 I hate them. I'm opposed to the people more so. 271 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.679 The corruption is from the institution, from the top down. 272 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.600 And uh. And it's not just a matter. 273 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:40.639 Of espionage and you know, compromising the Vatican at a 274 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:45.039 geopolitical level to promote you know, UNESCO or Davos Agenda. 275 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.519 It's it's more than that. It's also a spiritual corruption. 276 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:52.200 It's a it's a networking infiltration that goes back to 277 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.879 the Middle Ages, particularly in the eleventh century when you 278 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.080 have what's called the Grigorian Reforms and during that period 279 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:01.840 of the papacy took on a new approach to being 280 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:05.879 a geopolitical world power. Prior to that, most of the churches, 281 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.039 even though some of the patriarchates and the important bishoprics 282 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:10.600 of the Church in the first Milameium they had a 283 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:14.440 lot of power, there were specific canons in Chalcedon and 284 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:18.200 other ecumenical councils that forbade the Church from taking on 285 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.080 a civil state role. And what the Roman Church did 286 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:24.639 after the formation of the papal States, et cetera, was 287 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:29.960 to claim for itself more and more political power, until 288 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.480 eventually in the eleventh century you have documents like the 289 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:37.559 Tatus pape under Pope Gregory, and then you have later 290 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.600 on Unum sanctam under Pope urban In the thirteen hundred 291 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:44.200 and thirteen eighty two, I think eleventh century to thirteen 292 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:48.000 eighty two, you get this rise in the papacy again 293 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:51.879 just focusing more so on geopolitical stuff, standing armies. If 294 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:55.159 you're not accepting what's called the temporal supremacy of the 295 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.080 Roman bishop, then you're no longer able to be saved. 296 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.080 And I think that was a key moment for the 297 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:05.080 departure from the Orthodox perspective. That's that century of eleven 298 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:07.559 hundreds to the thirteen hundreds. That's really the key point 299 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.879 when Rome deviated from what the Church of the first 300 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:14.399 thousand years East and West agreed upon. 301 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:17.360 And I when you say that, am I understanding this correctly? 302 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:22.039 You're saying that was the moment where the Vatican said, basically, 303 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:24.840 the Pope's word is equivalent to God's word. 304 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.679 Yeah, Dick toddispape has this phrase in it, which now 305 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.000 is admitted even by the Vatican to be a forgery, 306 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:32.720 even though it's still in some of their canon law. 307 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.279 No one judges the First Sea, so no one can 308 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:39.799 a judge or criticize or come against the First Sea 309 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:43.240 because he's supreme in all matters. So basically it sets 310 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:47.559 the groundwork for the autocratic view of the papacy, which 311 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.639 then gets confirmed at Vatican One, which happened in the 312 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.559 late eighteen hundreds. That was one of their four Vatican 313 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:56.360 two in the nineteen sixties, the last Roman Catholic Dogmatic 314 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:59.639 Council was Vatican one, which confirmed the doctrine of in 315 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:03.440 foul ability and indefectibility of the Roman bishop. So yes, 316 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:08.799 eventually that culminates. You could say in that perspective, and 317 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.519 then all of that sets the stage for Vatican Two 318 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:16.159 in the nineteen sixties, which ironically there was a I 319 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.320 think his name is Gregory Baum was the author of 320 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.799 the document called Nostrette, which is the decree on Acumenism 321 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:24.440 that's part of the Vatican two documents, and it specifically 322 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:30.559 states that Roman Catholics, Muslims, Jews, even Hindus, we all 323 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:32.639 kind of worship the same God and we can now 324 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:35.759 have these sort of ecumenical gatherings and practices where we 325 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:39.360 pray together because it's all the same generic deity that 326 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:45.159 was at once a spiritual and a geopolitical maneuvering to 327 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:49.360 turn the Roman Catholic Church into ant into a form 328 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:54.159 of soft power. So it's extending the American attitude during 329 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.840 the Cold War. This is a declassified document called the 330 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.960 Doctrinal Warfare Program. C. D. Jackson was one of the 331 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:02.159 people that head that up, and they recruited John Courtney 332 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:02.720 Murray to. 333 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.839 Be kind of their representative and their attache. 334 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:09.160 So Gregory Baum who wrote No Sar Tati, which completely 335 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:12.720 changed the Romancolic Church's perspective on the Jews, which previously 336 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:16.720 had a very negative sort of antithesis position to Judaism 337 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:20.720 or beining Judaism. Now that completely flipped into the opposite 338 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:23.559 to where we're all or sort of on the same path, 339 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:26.319 the same journey. I think Francis a few years ago 340 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.759 created the Abu Dhabi Faith Center, which is Mustims, Christians 341 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:31.119 and Jews all worshiping together. 342 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:33.200 Isn't it specifically Catholics? 343 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:35.119 What's that? 344 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:39.559 Isn't it specifically Catholics though, like Muslims, Catholics and Jews. 345 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:44.000 Well, the yeah, I mean the language of Vatican two 346 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:47.960 kind of says both, because it'll say Catholics, Muslims, and 347 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:49.839 Jews and Hindus is all the same God. But then 348 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:52.279 in other places they'll say all Christians all share in 349 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:56.000 the same The whole thing is really just to catch 350 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:01.079 to cast this really broad, watered down net which denies 351 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:03.319 John fourteen six. You know, Jesus is on the way 352 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:04.640 that you're in the life. No one comes to Father, 353 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.960 but they're me. Well, now all the other religions can 354 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.400 also be pathways to God. In fact, Francis even said 355 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:13.400 this a few years ago. I eclipped it, got a 356 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:16.839 lot of views on that clip. Before he passed away, 357 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:20.680 he was affirming that what Vatican two means is that 358 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:23.960 you can be saved in any religion, right, and this 359 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:26.759 is going to denial of the fundamentals of Christian theology 360 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.839 and the tradition of the Church. So even I mean, 361 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:31.839 nobody in the first thousand years of Chritianity taught anything 362 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:35.759 like that. So these are really clear indicators of just 363 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:40.319 specifically where the Roman Catholic Church went off. But separate 364 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:42.240 from that, the reason I'm bringing in people like Gregory 365 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:44.720 Baum is that he was explicitly working, at the best 366 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.680 of Jewish interests to change the Roman Catholic Church's attitude 367 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:52.240 and make it more of an a humanist approach, a 368 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:55.079 syncrotist type of approach. And that's why you see the 369 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:58.400 Roman Catholic Church being so different than it was even 370 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:00.960 in the nineteen forties and fifties, almost night and day. 371 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:06.160 But there's a geopolitical motivation behind that. Gregory Baum was 372 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:08.000 was he was. He was a gay Jewish man who 373 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.640 changed the theology of the Vatican explicitly. 374 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:12.920 This is admitted. 375 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.880 I need I need to read on that guy. That 376 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:17.640 that's that's important. 377 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:18.440 That's uh. Yeah. 378 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:21.559 He was then deproocked and then left the priesthood because 379 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:24.000 he had done it, he had completed his mission. So 380 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:28.279 but that's within the Roman Catholic world. I mean you 381 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:30.920 get similar types of things within evangelicalism, where you have 382 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:34.200 the promotion of the Schofield Study Bible, of course, which 383 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:39.279 promoted the idea that the present day nation state of Israel, 384 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:44.640 which was oddly enough a creation of atheistic sort of 385 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:50.319 Hegel influenced UH Zionists like Moses Has and he invites 386 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:52.519 them and Theodore Hertzel. I mean, I've got Moses Has's 387 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:55.000 books up here. So he explicitly says we're going to 388 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:58.799 use Freemasonry UH as a way to teach a new religion. 389 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:02.000 He says, going to change Christianity. We're going to move 390 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:06.480 these religions into focusing world religion on Tel Aviv. So 391 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:10.000 Moses hes was very explicit about it. It's not totally atheistic, 392 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:15.400 it's not really theistic. It's more of a political position 393 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:21.000 that uses a generic theism for political means. And they 394 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.680 were very explicit about how they had convinced in the 395 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:29.079 eighteen sixties the Rothchilds to support this venture. And I 396 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:31.759 have the Rodchell's biography and in the biography they talk 397 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:34.839 about going in and sort of buying up the Holy 398 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:38.160 Land and places and sites in the Holy Land from 399 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:42.559 the Turkish sultans who had previously had control of that area. 400 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:43.640 Now people will. 401 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:45.799