Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday. That means
Speaker 1: it's Pop and Bravo, and I've got my friends here.
Speaker 1: It's Pat and Ruby from Bad TV, missing Dylan who
Speaker 1: just had a baby. Ruby, you're a You're an aunt.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 3: It feels wonderful to be an aunt and wonderful to
Speaker 3: be here. How are you guys?
Speaker 1: Great? When are you gonna just get to see the
Speaker 1: little baby.
Speaker 3: I will be going home in about like a week
Speaker 3: or two, so Pat, I will see you then and
Speaker 3: I will get to meet little Lucy.
Speaker 1: I have a niece sing Lucy too.
Speaker 3: I hope you like her, and if you don't, don't
Speaker 3: say anything.
Speaker 1: I like her. She's in her twenties now, so yeah, great.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She was also fine as a child, so it's good.
Speaker 2: It's it's gonna be fun having my co as a
Speaker 2: father now. I think it may change the dynamic we'll see.
Speaker 1: I think it may change his opinions on lots of things.
Speaker 1: I hope it does, because Dylan can be a little harshly.
Speaker 2: It will soften you, definitely. Fatherhood has softened me, so
Speaker 2: hopefully has the same effect on him.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited the pictures you guys posted of him
Speaker 1: with a little I was like, oh my gosh, look
Speaker 1: at Dylan being like a real dad. It's so cute.
Speaker 3: He is apparently very CC has said his wife has
Speaker 3: said that he's taking very naturally to it, which is
Speaker 3: lovely because I, you know, we don't have a lot
Speaker 3: of New Barton's in our family, so I'm very proud.
Speaker 3: So I think he's doing really well.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm so glad. Guys. Well, we are here to
Speaker 1: chat about pop culture and Bravo and what I told
Speaker 1: you guys. When you're like, let us know the pop
Speaker 1: culture topics ahead of time, well, Pat said that. Ruby
Speaker 1: said she didn't care the top The only pop culture
Speaker 1: topic I have is the Karen re trial of which
Speaker 1: is like literally on my phone right now on pause.
Speaker 1: It's on pause because I just put it on and
Speaker 1: then I just pause it and watch it throughout the day.
Speaker 1: I usually finish up like eight o'clock at night. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, Ruby, you're watching, like I am got thoughts.
Speaker 3: This is something this like wait, I wake up in
Speaker 3: the middle of the night to like go pee, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, I cannot believe this is happening. Again,
Speaker 3: it's taken up so much of my headspace. I knew
Speaker 3: that cops were cops, sure whatever, good and bad, just
Speaker 3: like any other profession. Yeah, oh my lord, these people
Speaker 3: are so unbelievably wild, and this the the trial, with
Speaker 3: the reenactments, it feels like it's a an SNL spoof.
Speaker 3: I think she's like a pretty unlikable person. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think she she killed them, or let me
Speaker 3: say this, if she did, there's so much reasonable about
Speaker 3: I am not so that their job is done. What
Speaker 3: do you think?
Speaker 1: I agree? I think that I don't get her to
Speaker 1: be as unlikable as everybody else does that just because
Speaker 1: she has a sour puss face. You know, that's just her,
Speaker 1: that's just her face. And so I think people think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: she's a bitch because of that. And I think that
Speaker 1: she was in a group of friends that are like
Speaker 1: in their forties, just wildly drunk all the time. There's
Speaker 1: drinking and driving and high fiving in a snowstorm in
Speaker 1: a bar and just take your glass right out with you,
Speaker 1: like wow. And it's just that part to me is
Speaker 1: so crazy. And then the whole this cop, that cop,
Speaker 1: this cop, this investigator. And then this past week we
Speaker 1: had the girl get on the stand that was a
Speaker 1: police officer who testified to the FBI that the guys
Speaker 1: were in the sally Port with the car for a
Speaker 1: weirdly long time. She's retracted her statement from the FBI
Speaker 1: said it was a false memory.
Speaker 3: Huh, it's like the Departed, it's in saane. And then
Speaker 3: the even the first trial when they showed the people
Speaker 3: saying that when they were getting questioned by her lawyers
Speaker 3: and they were like, I can't recall, and they would
Speaker 3: like play the audio of them having a phone call
Speaker 3: and they were like, I don't know. We butt dialed
Speaker 3: each other thirty three times, back and forth. They're like, oh, wild,
Speaker 3: that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so many things much, so much reasonable.
Speaker 2: Emp forgive me if I'm reading this wrong or ruby,
Speaker 2: are you guys conceding that she still may have quite
Speaker 2: possibly backed into him that night, But because there's so
Speaker 2: much reasonable do that you think she'll get off. But
Speaker 2: in your heart you believe that she may have done it.
Speaker 1: No, in my heart, I don't know if she did it.
Speaker 1: Something happened and I don't know if she's like you're
Speaker 1: a dick and sped off, and he was standing there
Speaker 1: on the driveway and like threw his glass at her
Speaker 1: and Dulul and like fell over because they were so
Speaker 1: shit faced and everybody was so shit faced. But I
Speaker 1: also think very easily he could have gone in the house,
Speaker 1: had a wicked argument with somebody and came out and
Speaker 1: fell in the yard, or they dragged it into the yard.
Speaker 2: Can I push back on that theory for a second,
Speaker 2: because there's an old saying that says a secret can
Speaker 2: only be kept if two people know the secret and
Speaker 2: one of them's dead. For in Devil's Advocate. Here, your
Speaker 2: audience may come at me. I've been a passive kind
Speaker 2: of viewer. I've watched the documentaries, but I'm of course
Speaker 2: not in the weeds like you guys are. But there
Speaker 2: are multiple people at that house, multiple people with spouses
Speaker 2: or girlfriends or boyfriends. It just feels like they would
Speaker 2: have all had to stay on the same page for
Speaker 2: all this time and not and not crack and all
Speaker 2: be part of it. That's the stumbling block I have.
Speaker 2: My opinion is there's a word for it, and I
Speaker 2: should should have thought found it boy. But sometimes the
Speaker 2: most probable thing that happened is what happened. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: were clearly arguing that night she was texting that other
Speaker 2: police officer or investigator or FBI guy, and so they're
Speaker 2: not on good footing that everyone drunk. She may have
Speaker 2: backed the car into him. He falls down, He is
Speaker 2: not you know, he's not lucid, he's you know, he's injured.
Speaker 2: And then he finds his way to that pile of
Speaker 2: snow about what was it twenty feet away from the
Speaker 2: road and uh. And that's that's how I see it happening.
Speaker 2: And then when she goes home and sleeps, I don't
Speaker 2: think she meant to kill him. Your audience is probably
Speaker 2: pulling their hair out, like what no.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, I'm following.
Speaker 2: But asking as a passive listener or a viewer of
Speaker 2: this case, that is kind of what I see, Like, okay,
Speaker 2: so the dirty cop thing, totally get it? Thin? What
Speaker 2: is it? The thin blue line? I think by the way,
Speaker 2: they have in fact created reasonable doubt. You have separate
Speaker 2: incidents of people destroying communication devices i e. Phones or
Speaker 2: whatever as you do, bizarre They have not explained away
Speaker 2: the multiple butt dials in the middle of the night. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: And I do think they explained away the Google search
Speaker 2: in the morning with the screen being open. I've been
Speaker 2: no help me with.
Speaker 3: I don't think so who can explain it she was
Speaker 3: I she doesn't recall nobody. There's no way to explain that.
Speaker 3: You're referring to Awkham's razor. I think which is the
Speaker 3: like you're the most likely is whatever. I think that
Speaker 3: he went in that house, they got into a fight.
Speaker 3: That dog tried to break the fight up, which is
Speaker 3: why the dog has now disappeared, and why all the
Speaker 3: pig stuff was there in the first case. This judge, boy,
Speaker 3: oh boy, what a wild person to have on this case.
Speaker 3: Also crazy that they keep the same one. I feel
Speaker 3: like they should have to Yeah, I agree right at
Speaker 3: the justice system they should change that. I pad I
Speaker 3: think you're wrong. I in my heart of hearts, I
Speaker 3: think it's like a sixty forty. I do not think
Speaker 3: that she killed him. I think that they were all
Speaker 3: so fucked up. I could see him going into that house.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. The likelihood that like eight people
Speaker 3: keep their mouths shut they inspire together is so so,
Speaker 3: so so low. The only thing that would increase it
Speaker 3: to be more than likely would be if half of
Speaker 3: those were cops and the other half of them were
Speaker 3: their wives, you know, yep, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, And I don't think it's that many people.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a couple of people that knew
Speaker 1: it and the rest are being told this other story
Speaker 1: and they're like, that's what they said, that happened, that's
Speaker 1: what happened. I don't think that everybody. I don't think
Speaker 1: all like eight people know what happened. I think just
Speaker 1: a couple of them do. I think that they're like,
Speaker 1: this is what you're telling me would happen. I don't
Speaker 1: want to know anything else. And I'm going with this thing.
Speaker 1: But like the Jim McCabe, you know, lied to the FBI,
Speaker 1: that we get this girl this week that lied to
Speaker 1: the FBI, I'm like so many people just lying to
Speaker 1: the FBI and the whole Like I know, I'm being subpoened.
Speaker 1: In this case. I'm a police officer. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to go to a military base, tear my phone into
Speaker 1: three pieces and throw it into four different trash cans
Speaker 1: because my plan was up. So it's time for me
Speaker 1: to get a new phone. As you do, as you do,
Speaker 1: like listen, I got I got one more month on
Speaker 1: this plan. So I'm going to go to a military base,
Speaker 1: tear my phone apart but into six dumpsters, and go
Speaker 1: to Verizon and be like, hey, give me a new phone,
Speaker 1: Like what good cop?
Speaker 2: Bad cop? Here? I'm going to need a bad cop.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's so that not.
Speaker 2: Be explained away. A lot of people have things on
Speaker 2: their phones that they don't want to be seen by outsiders,
Speaker 2: and knowing that now there's an active investigation and someone's
Speaker 2: going to be looking in your phone and it has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the case that they're looking into,
Speaker 2: but rather searches on the internet. Perhaps some materials that
Speaker 2: are won't paint you in a good light. Is it
Speaker 2: possible that he destroyed his phone because there's nude pictures
Speaker 2: of his girlfriend that he has in another city. I'm
Speaker 2: just explaining away other possibilities why this person would do.
Speaker 3: It one hundred percent. I mean, Blake Lively just did
Speaker 3: this like this week because she was like, listen, I
Speaker 3: don't want my family and missed up being looked into
Speaker 3: and revealed. And if I go forward with this everything
Speaker 3: is on the table. Can't risk it. I understand it. Also, though, No,
Speaker 3: I just think it's too shady, and even if you
Speaker 3: are trying to hide, like if it was as terrible
Speaker 3: as like God forbid, like child pornography or something, he's
Speaker 3: a cop like wipe bit or you get I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just or like get a be a better, better
Speaker 3: bad cop too, like get a burner or something. It's
Speaker 3: just just.
Speaker 2: Ye for both of you. So, Karen Reid, generally, in
Speaker 2: cases like this, we will go back in their history,
Speaker 2: their dating history. Have they gone back to Karen Reid's
Speaker 2: dating history with past boyfriends whatever to see any kind
Speaker 2: of behavior of aggression.
Speaker 1: No, So that means there's not any Yeah, yeah, or
Speaker 1: they would have brought that up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, as I watch it every day
Speaker 1: and I'm just like wow, Like you know when they
Speaker 1: brought up the DNA a couple of days ago, and
Speaker 1: they were like, immediate, we're going to call for a
Speaker 1: mistrial with prejudice because the DNA has not been intered
Speaker 1: into evidence and they just entered.
Speaker 2: It in and you're referring to the dog DNA.
Speaker 1: Yes, they brought in the dog DNA, but it hadn't
Speaker 1: been turned into evidence, which means they're not allowed to
Speaker 1: bring it up. But then the prosecution brought it up
Speaker 1: across on the defense witness and they were like, immediate mistrial,
Speaker 1: immediate mistrial, but mistrial with prejudice, which means it can't
Speaker 1: be tried again because, like Emily D. Baker said, she goes,
Speaker 1: they don't want a mistrial because then they got to
Speaker 1: do it a fucking third time. Well, actually, no, you
Speaker 1: don't just be like there's so much reasonable doubt here
Speaker 1: that eh. But listen, my fear is is that she
Speaker 1: is going to get convicted and then it's just going
Speaker 1: to be on appeals for the next twenty years and
Speaker 1: then she'll get out and then the you know, say,
Speaker 1: the masters just will have to pay her like forty
Speaker 1: million dollars. I mean, just like the guy died is terrible.
Speaker 1: It was a drunken accident, no matter what. Did somebody
Speaker 1: hit him because they were drunk. Did he get mad
Speaker 1: and slip in the snow and throw his drink at
Speaker 1: the car because he is drunk. Did she back her
Speaker 1: car and also there's not any way that other witness
Speaker 1: came on and said that the car went twenty four
Speaker 1: miles per hour backwards for eighty seven feet.
Speaker 2: Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Eighty seven feet would have literally hit the house you
Speaker 1: behind them. Like, so they're like, okay, probably because the
Speaker 1: time stamp was off, that was when they backed it
Speaker 1: up to go in the truck. Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this was when this was you know, that night. And
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, seems like it was the wrong day.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it's crazy, it's crazy. There's so
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt.
Speaker 2: I have a I think there's plenty of reasonable doubt.
Speaker 2: I mean, the second cops process evidence improperly, the second
Speaker 2: there's again's like destroying devices. Yeah, like that, that's your
Speaker 2: reasonable doubt. The question is does she get found not guilty.
Speaker 2: Here's my theory on this. I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be another hung jury. And I think this is where
Speaker 2: the prosecution and defense are going to sit down in
Speaker 2: a room and they're going to work something out. And
Speaker 2: you know, and I feel bad for people that aren't
Speaker 2: guilty that get pushed into these corners where look where
Speaker 2: the government, where the state. We have endless resources to
Speaker 2: retry you over and over until we get our final result.
Speaker 2: And you know, as popular as she is, and I
Speaker 2: understand she you know, her lawyers are working on contingency
Speaker 2: or whatever. But not contingently, but there they at some
Speaker 2: point can break you to the point where you'll go,
Speaker 2: I'll do involuntary manslaughter and you know, six months in
Speaker 2: jail and then she you know, and then she can
Speaker 2: come out and have her life and then she'll always
Speaker 2: have her you know, believers or whatnot. I think that
Speaker 2: is the more likely outcome.
Speaker 3: I hope that, Yeah, I really hope not, because I
Speaker 3: do not think that's what she deserves. I do think, pathough,
Speaker 3: that in a town that small, a jury of like
Speaker 3: what twelve people, that it's not even that you're scared
Speaker 3: necessarily that they're going to kill you or anything. But
Speaker 3: it's like your kid doesn't get on Little League teams anymore.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 3: I think it's you know, it's that type of community
Speaker 3: stuff that makes people scared, you know, to convict or
Speaker 3: knocking victor, you know, And that's the reason I think
Speaker 3: you might be right about the hung jury. But I
Speaker 3: just hope, I don't know, just leave her alone. Like
Speaker 3: what if we just put this to bed, say it
Speaker 3: was a horrible accident, absolute tragedy. Stop drinking and driving,
Speaker 3: you nutjobs, and let's just go to sleep and not
Speaker 3: do this again.
Speaker 2: Now, Ruby I'm going to push back against you on
Speaker 2: that and feel free to be the judge.
Speaker 3: MP.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, the roles were reversed, and it was him
Speaker 2: in that car and it was her out in the
Speaker 2: snow bleeding, and we don't know everything is exactly the same.
Speaker 2: She was the cop, he was just the boyfriend that
Speaker 2: was an instructor in a college. Do we just say, hey,
Speaker 2: let her off? I mean, that's not how the system works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's the same if it's if it's
Speaker 1: a man that hit a if he may bumped her
Speaker 1: or didn't, or she went in the house and had
Speaker 1: a fight with the lady and came out and the
Speaker 1: fell in the snow, like, you still can't prove the
Speaker 1: person driving the car hit the other person the end,
Speaker 1: and they have all these people coming on going yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not consistent with an accident. It's not consistent that
Speaker 1: the car even had an accident. There's no collision noted
Speaker 1: in the car. The wounds aren't consistent with being hit.
Speaker 1: It's like, the whole point we're trying here is that
Speaker 1: she hit him with her car and killed him. But
Speaker 1: they can't even prove that he was killed by a car, right.
Speaker 2: Now you know is absolutely here. Whether or not twelve
Speaker 2: people agree on that is the I guess is the question. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, a quick story. I don't even know why
Speaker 2: I'm bringing this up, but I'm from Massachusetts and they
Speaker 2: are pretty lenient in the justice system. I have a
Speaker 2: kid I went to high school with that was a
Speaker 2: good friend. We split apart because he did some questionable
Speaker 2: stuff in high school, like I just didn't want to
Speaker 2: be part of it anymore. Twenty years later, I get
Speaker 2: a call from one of our mutual friends and he'd
Speaker 2: stabbed stabbed his girlfriend to death in the shower, walked
Speaker 2: out on the sidewalk. Police The police were coming because
Speaker 2: neighbors heard it. He basically just said.
Speaker 3: I killed her wool Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So we're all kind of talking about it. He does
Speaker 2: nine years for that brutal killing. He reaches out to
Speaker 2: me on Facebook to be my friend and h block
Speaker 2: block and he did it to multiple people because we
Speaker 2: and we knew the girl too. And I'm sorry for
Speaker 2: bringing this up. I was kind of just initially when
Speaker 2: I had thought I might bring this up, it was
Speaker 2: kind of to do with the justice system in Massachusetts
Speaker 2: and them being very lenient which I would have connected
Speaker 2: to even if she did kill the guy. It's I
Speaker 2: think it's unlikely that she'd serve even more than two years.
Speaker 2: But anyway, just.
Speaker 3: And to be a little bit more morbid, that's absolutely horrible. Pat,
Speaker 3: I'm going to breeze right over it. I don't think
Speaker 3: that she will make it out of jail if she
Speaker 3: goes to jail, because she's a quote unquote like cop killer,
Speaker 3: you know, so I don't know that she comes out,
Speaker 3: which is another reason why I'm like, whoa, if she
Speaker 3: didn't do this, she really shouldn't be in there.
Speaker 2: You know. Well, here's this.
Speaker 1: It seems like the people in jail would like a
Speaker 1: cop killer. Would the big guards not kill her? Do
Speaker 1: guards like cops or do guards hate cops?
Speaker 2: Are guards? I think they all get along. They all
Speaker 2: just want their pension and retire at forty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another people people keep thinking that Brian Higgins
Speaker 1: will be the one. If anybody's going to flip in
Speaker 1: this case, if they're all you know, colluding, then it
Speaker 1: would be Brian Higgins because he's the he's closest to
Speaker 1: getting his pension, and like former trooper Michael Proctor, you know,
Speaker 1: let me let me tell you this. This is interesting. Okay.
Speaker 1: So last week I had on Christine and Stacey. They
Speaker 1: are from Keenan Lake and give you deja vu. They
Speaker 1: were this child stars of Step by Step. Okay, and
Speaker 1: Stacy is Stacy Keenan is a LA prosecutor. Now okay.
Speaker 1: She I was asking her about this and she said,
Speaker 1: as a prosecutor herself, if her lead investigator got kicked
Speaker 1: off the police force for this case, she would never
Speaker 1: try it again. She goes, the lead investigator is gone.
Speaker 1: We don't have the lead investigator. And he didn't get
Speaker 1: kicked off because the child porn or he beat his wife.
Speaker 1: He got kicked off because his behavior on this case.
Speaker 2: And referring to and I sure I assume your audience
Speaker 2: knows this case backwards and forwards. That lead detective was
Speaker 2: texting disgusting things to his co workers about are their
Speaker 2: naked pictures of Karen Reid his high.
Speaker 1: School friends, high school friend not as co workers, high
Speaker 1: school friends. They showed the group text of like thirty people.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like on the Valley, the thirty guys,
Speaker 1: and they're all from high school and they've all got nicknames.
Speaker 1: Look that's Chip, that's Whitey, that's so and so, and
Speaker 1: they're all texting, and he's in this group text with
Speaker 1: thirty high school friends, not cops, discussing the case.
Speaker 2: Get this, My wife lived her boyfriend before me was
Speaker 2: a cop. She told me the things that they would
Speaker 2: share photos. So you go to a traffic accident, someone's dead,
Speaker 2: they take a picture of it and they send it
Speaker 2: coworkers another one. You know. I try and find a
Speaker 2: balance because, as Ruby pointed out the top of the show,
Speaker 2: every huge system has good and bad people. So I'm
Speaker 2: not saying this to paint them in a bad light.
Speaker 2: But her boyfriend told her that definitely, if they got
Speaker 2: out of a car that they've been chasing and the
Speaker 2: person had punched a cop or something, they would go
Speaker 2: under a tree and beat the living s out of
Speaker 2: that guy, you know, where the helicopters can't see. You
Speaker 2: know that stuff happens.
Speaker 3: Oh oh oh, I'm sure so.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm so like insecure about your audience. Hey,
Speaker 2: to me, look, do you want to hear three people
Speaker 2: all agreeing on the same facts of a case, or
Speaker 2: do you want at least an outside opinion of what
Speaker 2: others may be thinking. I want to say this. We
Speaker 2: all follow true crime and if you watch enough date lines,
Speaker 2: the jurors these days, they really needed to be like
Speaker 2: wrapped up in a box for them to make a decision,
Speaker 2: either guilty or not guilty. They actually, you know, in
Speaker 2: order to find Karen Read completely guilty, they would have
Speaker 2: need to have seen video footage from one of the
Speaker 2: houses of her running that guy over. Yeah, but anyway.
Speaker 1: There's not any because just strangely, all the ring cameras
Speaker 1: were all that that is was deleted. It's weird, so weird,
Speaker 1: it's so weird. It's just all the cops on that street,
Speaker 1: just all their ring video just it's all gone. I
Speaker 1: posted a great video of myself yesterday from my ring camera.
Speaker 1: Anybody wants to see me chasing after my dogs. They
Speaker 1: were nicely sitting on the front, you know, the front sidewalk,
Speaker 1: just nicely, and we were just enjoying the seventy degree weather,
Speaker 1: just sitting outside, no humidity, lovely. I was listening to
Speaker 1: a podcast. They were just they like to just go
Speaker 1: outside and stare. So we're just staring. And we live
Speaker 1: at the top of a hill on a cul de sac.
Speaker 1: So nobody never had a trick or treator ever. Nobody
Speaker 1: comes up except for yesterday, a couple walking their dog
Speaker 1: nicely decided for some reason to come up a hill
Speaker 1: to a cul de sack to walk their dog. And
Speaker 1: when they did, they got my two mini golden doodles
Speaker 1: seventeen and twenty two pounds respectively, just went full fucking kujo.
Speaker 1: They ran up my walk into the street. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh God. Now I'm sitting there like in birkenstocks and
Speaker 1: like pajama bottoms, probably in this same shirt. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to like run without breaking my neck. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh God, and you could just hear me screaming, going
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: Sorry aging everyone.
Speaker 1: Okay, everybody's fine. The lady, literally I think the husband
Speaker 1: grabbed their dog, which was like kind of a large
Speaker 1: looking beagle. I don't know what kind of dog. It
Speaker 1: was not a big dog, and then she grabbed my
Speaker 1: dog's too, leasism, which just had them to the side
Speaker 1: like this and my dog's like like by the way.
Speaker 1: All they wanted to do was like say hi, of course,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to say hi to the people. They
Speaker 1: don't give a shit about other dogs. They want the
Speaker 1: people to love them.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was so embarrassed. I was like, you sit down,
Speaker 1: you bad girls. And they're just like they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we're city, where's our trees. I was like, fuck off,
Speaker 1: no treats for you, get back in the house. I
Speaker 1: was like, as I'm walking up, you could hear it
Speaker 1: on the ring.
Speaker 2: Care go.
Speaker 1: You ruined it. You ruined it for everybody. We were
Speaker 1: out here trying to have a nice night. You ruined it.
Speaker 1: No more outside for you. Let's go.
Speaker 3: And they're just like a shamed.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm waiting for my daughter to see I sent
Speaker 1: the video like in our family group chatmay I'm ready
Speaker 1: for her to just read me for filth, like you
Speaker 1: should have never not had hold of their leashes. But
Speaker 1: I was like, they're just sitting there. They're just like
Speaker 1: to look. They liked every so often they might bark
Speaker 1: at a bird, but that's it. But no, no more,
Speaker 1: no more fun for them. They're ruined it for everybody.
Speaker 1: So ring cameras, it's it's easy to find it. It
Speaker 1: just found it on my phone, downloaded it, send it
Speaker 1: to my family. It took like four seconds. So everybody else.
Speaker 2: Not like everybody in that neighborhood.
Speaker 1: No, everybody neighborhead said, Nope, we wipe it every morning clean.
Speaker 1: Also when dogs they just disappear in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night.
Speaker 2: No, has that not been explained at all? Nope, he
Speaker 2: can't track that dog down.
Speaker 1: The dog left that night. The dog left that night,
Speaker 1: that night. They never saw the dog again after that night,
Speaker 1: which she went in the next morning to wake up
Speaker 1: her sister to be like, hey, there's a dead cop
Speaker 1: on your lawn, which, by the way, they never noticed.
Speaker 1: Dog's not there. Front door wide open. Dog is gone.
Speaker 2: Look, there's more reasonable doubt than the Colombian cartel colluded with.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 1: So, oh my god. So before we got on here,
Speaker 1: I went to send Pat a text because I had
Speaker 1: the wrong link whatever whatever. So I went to send
Speaker 1: Pat a text. Pat. The last text on our group
Speaker 1: just me and you, not a group me and you,
Speaker 1: was you telling me the story about when you worked
Speaker 1: at a recording studio and saw snoop dogg engaged in
Speaker 1: acts with young ladies like on a conference table, a
Speaker 1: pool table, oh, pool table, Okay's he'd switched over.
Speaker 2: To no Limit records at that time because there was
Speaker 2: a lot of problems with death Row. They weren't paying bills,
Speaker 2: so we switched labels, so under a new label. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was in the studio making a record for them,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I look working in that studio, which ended
Speaker 2: up being almost completely I wanted to be in the
Speaker 2: rock business. I wanted to like take part of being
Speaker 2: in a recording serial where like great albums like led
Speaker 2: Zeppelig Records. Yeah, and the studio because of the type
Speaker 2: of soundboard they had, it attracted hip hop because that
Speaker 2: worked for that type of soundscape that they were creating.
Speaker 2: So we had two recording studios in the building and
Speaker 2: it just essentially when I first got there, it was
Speaker 2: death Row Records. They would buy the place out for
Speaker 2: a month and it would just turn into recording slash
Speaker 2: party spot and I was I started as a food runner,
Speaker 2: so basically my job was just to be a gopher
Speaker 2: for the artists and the talent. And yeah, I saw crazy,
Speaker 2: crazy stuff, all the characters. P Diddy.
Speaker 1: No, I think I originally asked you about Diddy and
Speaker 1: You're like, no, but I do have a Snoop Dogg story.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, No, I just you know, because he's
Speaker 2: I don't know if you watched that reality show. Oh
Speaker 2: you know, can I get can Snoop Doggs sue me
Speaker 2: for saying things that do I have to say allegedly
Speaker 2: before everything?
Speaker 1: I think you should say allegedly, but you could say
Speaker 1: this is what I saw with my own eyes, but
Speaker 1: allegedly this is what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are there there. I mean, look, there were
Speaker 2: rock stars, rap stars whatever, and so rap stars have
Speaker 2: a bunch of girls come back from the club and party.
Speaker 2: And I used to be like, I can't believe they're paying.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is twenty somewhdd years ago, twenty five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a night for this studio, and it would
Speaker 2: essentially just be a hangout, like there was no recording
Speaker 2: actually being done. But very early on and I got
Speaker 2: to talk to Suge Night because he called to talk
Speaker 2: to Snoop and I'd patch him into the studio, and
Speaker 2: I remember it was his secretary goes Shug for Snoop,
Speaker 2: and I go, oh, hold on, and I put him
Speaker 2: on hold. Switch over to the room, and I could
Speaker 2: hear sug Knight breathing because he's such a big, menacing guy,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god. And so they had
Speaker 2: a sound engineer, this white dude, and which was odd
Speaker 2: because he was the only white person allowed in that circle.
Speaker 2: And when we'd have lunch or whatever, would be the
Speaker 2: middle of the night, he'd starts telling stories about how
Speaker 2: like Sug allegedly he like would be at a party
Speaker 2: in Sugar would order two guys to get choked out
Speaker 2: and strangled to death and then make them disappear. And
Speaker 2: he was telling me stor.
Speaker 3: Years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Sugar's in jail, so yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, everyone else. By the way, what's he jail for.
Speaker 1: I can't remember.
Speaker 2: He suld during the filming or there was an event
Speaker 2: for boys in the hood for the film. Showed up
Speaker 2: there and there were some guys outside and there was
Speaker 2: a squabble. Sug Knight attempts to drive off and actually
Speaker 2: runs over a guy and kills him.
Speaker 1: I love it that he just called it a squabble.
Speaker 1: These two gentlemen had a squabble in the street. One
Speaker 1: slept the other with a glove, and then somebody died. Yes, oh, Patrick,
Speaker 1: you know that's listen. That's fascinating, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Allegedly, it was an entertaining time. I mean, I remember
Speaker 2: when Snoop Dogg I was such a square. That's an
Speaker 2: old timey phrase for saying I was lame dog. Basically
Speaker 2: at the height of his career. He's smoking a joint
Speaker 2: in the middle of our kitchen. I walked by him
Speaker 2: and he handed it to me, and I said, no, I'm.
Speaker 1: God that you missed an opportunity. I did smoke you,
Speaker 1: a Snoop.
Speaker 2: But I have to tell you, when P Diddy first
Speaker 2: started coming to that studio, I was so impressed with
Speaker 2: him because like he was, you know, obviously older than me,
Speaker 2: but I looked at him as almost like, Wow, if
Speaker 2: he's that young, he can do all this. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: extremely polite and gracious. Wow. And but oh my god,
Speaker 2: he was the first like rock star like seeing it
Speaker 2: how you'd think it would be because everybody else, like
Speaker 2: rock stars would walk in the studio all the time,
Speaker 2: and it was like it wasn't a big deal. Like
Speaker 2: they didn't have like a rider, like you'd hear all
Speaker 2: these things. Yeah, Oop Dog would come to the studio.
Speaker 2: There was a personal chef there, there were bodyguards, there
Speaker 2: were you know, they brought their animals, Like it was crazy.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, I would like to hear other rock
Speaker 1: stars that came to that studio.
Speaker 2: Let's see, I'm trying to think of some fun Okay,
Speaker 2: Oh boy, this is okay. Stacey Ferguson Furglicious. She was
Speaker 2: in a group called God. They were recording their album
Speaker 2: Well that's she joined them after Wild Orchid Okay, and
Speaker 2: she was a wild child Ferglish Stacy Ferguson.
Speaker 1: I do believe she's admitted to a meth problem that.
Speaker 2: Was that was evident during that time period. Because she
Speaker 2: does a video and if like your audience, she did
Speaker 2: that song Glamorous. Yeah, in the video she drives a
Speaker 2: white Mustang in that music video, okay, and it's like
Speaker 2: she's reminiscing about the past. I used to walk into
Speaker 2: the studio like at nine in the morning, and I'd
Speaker 2: walk past that white Mustang and it would have a
Speaker 2: new like dent in the side of it.
Speaker 3: Oh, was she just wid Was she actually wild and
Speaker 3: crazy inside? Or did you just see very.
Speaker 2: Very disciplined inside? But uh, but a wild child she was.
Speaker 2: She was having fun with her her fame.
Speaker 1: She was just knock going to be people over, like
Speaker 1: Karon Reid that's right, that's right. No, that's terrible. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about what you guys are watching and what
Speaker 1: you're covering over there, Like I know that you you know,
Speaker 1: you're covering always, you're covering all the Blowdeck situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the blow Deck is our number one show.
Speaker 1: A blow decks. You've got another Blowdeck podcast. And then
Speaker 1: also you talk about Summerhouse, you know, I just I
Speaker 1: know it's a detriment against me, but I don't watch Summerhouse.
Speaker 2: I totally get it. I would probably just passively watch
Speaker 2: it if we weren't covering it and had listeners that
Speaker 2: really wanted us to cover it. I mean, it's Seinfeld
Speaker 2: was always dubbed a show about nothing. Summer House is
Speaker 2: really a show about nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, But like, do you think in your forties
Speaker 1: you're still in a sharehouse?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? No, No, we don't. And
Speaker 3: more concerning than that is that there are people in
Speaker 3: their forties in said sharehouse that want to do things
Speaker 3: like put their life savings into a New York City
Speaker 3: brick and mortar sober bar with no alcohol and also
Speaker 3: become and that this is not a joke, by the way,
Speaker 3: a DJ and.
Speaker 1: So wait, same person wants to do both things. Thank god?
Speaker 3: No different, Okay, okay, okay, but is it better that
Speaker 3: there are two people that are in their forties that
Speaker 3: want it? No, No, it's not these people. I would
Speaker 3: say the best part about Summer House is what it
Speaker 3: gives you in the universe of though, like the tentacles
Speaker 3: that it touches. Because these people are just wack of
Speaker 3: do and make such poor life decisions and date such
Speaker 3: bad people that watching them in the real world and
Speaker 3: then getting to sort of see them on the show
Speaker 3: is kind of the best part. But I agree with
Speaker 3: that it's really not. It's not worth an active watch,
Speaker 3: I would say, especially not this last season.
Speaker 2: Good. Yeah, and it's it's you kind of see a
Speaker 2: pivot with Bravo And let me know if you guys
Speaker 2: disagree with this where they are trying to do outreach
Speaker 2: to younger right, So, I mean, if you go to
Speaker 2: Bravo con, it's the average age is forty five and
Speaker 2: a half. There, I mean, you've been there, right, Empy.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they.
Speaker 2: Clearly have a very loyal audience, but you know, you
Speaker 2: need to always bring in younger, newer viewers to look
Speaker 2: at your content. So clearly the next gen NYC is
Speaker 2: a play on that with Summerhouse. How I'm bringing this
Speaker 2: home is they try and bring in like people in
Speaker 2: their early twenties to hang out with these people in
Speaker 2: their early forties, and it is right.
Speaker 1: It's like when they brought Gina on to Real Housewives,
Speaker 1: OHC and Vicky Gumfelson. It's like, what, I'm sixty years old,
Speaker 1: this girl's like thirty. Like what do I have in
Speaker 1: coming with her? Kid's my grand kids. It's like, ohka,
Speaker 1: and you're like great point, like you know, like I
Speaker 1: am a lady of a certain agent. I'm not hanging
Speaker 1: out with Looks, my daughter is here right now with
Speaker 1: two of her friends.
Speaker 2: They're twenty two.
Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with that. No, I'm
Speaker 1: too old.
Speaker 2: No, I was partying at My wife and I were
Speaker 2: partying right until I hit forty and something happened after that,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, there's no stand up till two in
Speaker 2: the morning. Yeah anymore. Especially but somewhere else has kind
Speaker 2: of boxed himself in because a number of cast members
Speaker 2: are now getting to that point where they need to
Speaker 2: make a decision if they're going to have children or
Speaker 2: not right, And that's kind of like does the show
Speaker 2: really work? I mean, are they going to Summerhouse getting
Speaker 2: blasted and bringing their kids every weekend?
Speaker 1: Right? It was just say was like vander Pump into
Speaker 1: the Valley. You know, you do have to sort of
Speaker 1: recast into what Summerhouse should have been doing. I'm speaking
Speaker 1: from a person who's never watched a full episode. What
Speaker 1: they should have been doing is bringing in the youngers
Speaker 1: and then phasing out the olders, you know, to kind
Speaker 1: of roll it over. It should be like Menudo. They
Speaker 1: should bring in a new past every four years, you know,
Speaker 1: just like bringing the younger people just out with the
Speaker 1: old and like they tried to do with New York,
Speaker 1: it didn't work all right. Speaking in Next Gen NYC,
Speaker 1: I told you guys to watch it, and then I
Speaker 1: didn't watch it. I watched the first ten minutes. I
Speaker 1: watched the first ten minutes like six times because I
Speaker 1: had it on. Then I would like go in the
Speaker 1: bathroom and brush my teeth and I'd come back out
Speaker 1: and I missed something. Okay, So all I saw was
Speaker 1: Arianna who goes who of course is Kim Zolziak's o
Speaker 1: atter who I saw her say, my mom is Kim
Speaker 1: zolziak Berman. Are we saying Bierman this week? I don't
Speaker 1: know my dad's an NFL player. I had to get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of there. They're getting a divorced for
Speaker 1: four years, they hate each other, they call the cops,
Speaker 1: and yet they're together basically. And she's walking around New
Speaker 1: York City with a couple of which I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that'll be fun for your roommates if you walk in
Speaker 1: with two dogs. And then I saw Brooks Marks, Like,
Speaker 1: my mom is married with Marks and I'm in the
Speaker 1: Marx family and that's a whole time job. And my
Speaker 1: mom I want to be on a cover of a
Speaker 1: magazine without her. That's all I saw. So see these
Speaker 1: other people? Patrick, you watched the whole thing? Give us
Speaker 1: the breakdown.
Speaker 2: I did, Okay, So first episode is amazing and there
Speaker 2: is a lot going on now the person. It is
Speaker 2: odd to see people in their early to mid twenties
Speaker 2: kind of just doing their thing, because I'm like, I
Speaker 2: feel like old creepy person. There is an essence of
Speaker 2: nostalgia because at some point I was in my early
Speaker 2: twenties moved out to Los Angeles and it wasn't that
Speaker 2: dissimilar from these same things that these young people are
Speaker 2: talking about. You know, they're all aspiring to kind of
Speaker 2: step out and make their own way. And it's I'll
Speaker 2: say this, it's an interesting cast. They're not all children
Speaker 2: of reality people. I can say that one of the
Speaker 2: girls is Damon Dash's daughter. She's a model, really pretty.
Speaker 2: And then Ariana is Kroy's daughter, right, Croy and Kim's daughter. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so she's the one that really lays it out in
Speaker 2: this first episode. At some point she points out that
Speaker 2: her uh, what are these what was the Cardi b thing?
Speaker 1: These bloody shoes, red bottoms?
Speaker 2: Yes, her red bottoms aren't red anymore because they're tattered
Speaker 2: because she hasn't been able to buy new shoes in
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 1: Oh, because of her mom gambling by all the money
Speaker 1: stole her money. Wow, the mom stole her money.
Speaker 2: Stole her money. And not only that, she is currently
Speaker 2: sending her mother money to keep her mother's head above water.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: When she said that on TV, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. And then there's okay, so there's
Speaker 2: another character on there. I wrote this down. What is
Speaker 2: his name? Charlie. Okay, Charlie, I forget how they fit
Speaker 2: him into this brew, but he is a crypto trader
Speaker 2: by day. He's basically a trust fund kid. His parents
Speaker 2: give him money and then he trades with it. He
Speaker 2: is going to be, like I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: seen him in the previews or if you if you
Speaker 2: know who I'm referring to, he is going to be,
Speaker 2: I think the villain. There's if you cast like a
Speaker 2: sketchy guy in a movie or a twenty year old,
Speaker 2: and he'd be that person. And then they heard from
Speaker 2: another podcast that quite possibly he had been involved in
Speaker 2: some kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I believe me, and I are like, yes he was.
Speaker 1: He lives in the apartment where those two crypto bros
Speaker 1: like kidnapped and torture the other crypto bro and then
Speaker 1: threw him out on the street. That guy Charlie lives
Speaker 1: with those guys, right Ruby.
Speaker 3: He is like frequently there. He would go there all
Speaker 3: the time. He would like party there.
Speaker 1: This is his house. I think I think he lives there.
Speaker 3: I think I don't know if he lives there in
Speaker 3: one of the adjacent ones or so. I genuinely don't know,
Speaker 3: But everybody. He's quite involved. I believe he will be succeeded.
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, not the best company. I don't think.
Speaker 3: They all just are a bunch of like rich kids.
Speaker 3: And the best part about this too is, and this
Speaker 3: is my favorite, these guys kidnapped this Italian kid, kept
Speaker 3: him for however long, tortured him, did all this stuff
Speaker 3: they were so bad at doing that he never gave
Speaker 3: up the password, and then he escaped. So it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: I love it so much, and I hope that these
Speaker 3: kids go to jail for forever. And it's incredible, and I.
Speaker 1: Hope they get tortured in prison like whatever they did.
Speaker 1: So they were guy Okay, Charlie.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what I was going to say about the
Speaker 2: first episode is you can see the money on the screen,
Speaker 2: like Bravo put their heart into this, Like there are
Speaker 2: so many things going on, like you know, these two
Speaker 2: are going on a date, these people are doing a
Speaker 2: fashion show. The first episode is always the easiest as
Speaker 2: a long time observer reality TV because it's part of
Speaker 2: the pilot. It was what sold the show. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm always going to have the most gloss over it.
Speaker 2: So I will say this. The jury is still out
Speaker 2: whether or not this is something that becomes part of
Speaker 2: my regular viewing, like because once these young people have
Speaker 2: to start interacting with each other and do their job,
Speaker 2: which is essentially create storylines for us, that's gonna be
Speaker 2: like we'll see if that if they can pull that off.
Speaker 1: Okay, well I can't wait. I did record it so
Speaker 1: that I could watch it today, even though I told
Speaker 1: you guys to watch it, and then I didn't. Four pats,
Speaker 1: like I stayed up all night watching this shit. You
Speaker 1: didn't even watch it.
Speaker 2: I actually enjoyed it once it started getting going okay.
Speaker 1: And then also was Candy's daughter on roe Ley.
Speaker 2: She has a crazy scene at the end where there
Speaker 2: I cannot think of this girl's if. Her name's Georgia.
Speaker 2: I don't know where she comes from, but she's kind
Speaker 2: of like a nerdy girl, but she is like a
Speaker 2: party or an event coordinator. She she did the Who's
Speaker 2: the I can't stand her because she's famous for stealing money?
Speaker 2: Who is that one? They've made like eighteen shows about
Speaker 2: that stole money and then spent it. It took a
Speaker 2: wild trip, and they've made a movie. She wears an
Speaker 2: ankle bracelet on.
Speaker 1: Doing on a delby.
Speaker 2: Okay, she was the one put in charge to throw
Speaker 2: and Anna Delviy just got out of jail party, which
Speaker 2: was a huge like like she put on that party anyway,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, she sees Arianna's shoes at the club
Speaker 2: and sees how tattered they are and she rubs her
Speaker 2: bottom of her shoe with her hand. The rest of
Speaker 2: the cast are completely disgusted and now they've made her
Speaker 2: the weirdo. So when she buy to Candy Merss's daughter,
Speaker 2: who is Riley Riley, she Riley refuses to shake her
Speaker 2: hand because.
Speaker 1: She's got disgusting New York City schmuggle on her. Aid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, and so that's how the episode ends.
Speaker 2: But fun episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of people on this show.
Speaker 1: You just named a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's It feels like there was at least eight.
Speaker 2: I will say this, and my wife pointed this out.
Speaker 2: I think there's only one straight mail. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's grabbing a little slice of New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want the drama of you know, some.
Speaker 2: Hookups and stuff. But yeah, it's a really fun cast.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Patrick recremmends it Now.
Speaker 3: Can I just ask Pat, do you think it has legs? Like,
Speaker 3: do you think that these people, like this cast specifically
Speaker 3: has enough in a seat in them for a whole season?
Speaker 2: Well, they did something smart, and MP just pointed out
Speaker 2: they loaded the show with cast members. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't like small casts. I don't like five. I mean
Speaker 2: the genius of Matt Sharp and Love after lock Up
Speaker 2: and and god I used to reak out is multiple
Speaker 2: cast members on a single episode just bounce around, bounce around, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will be watching it. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: the only thing so far that I've seen is Arianna
Speaker 3: Berman with her dogs, the Brooks Marks photo shoots, and
Speaker 3: the Charlie showing up and Meredith Marx is in a
Speaker 3: blonde wig and tries to pretend that she's someone else
Speaker 3: and then he's like, I know who you are and
Speaker 3: that this is just like very weird and uncomfortable. So
Speaker 3: I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Spiritis on pills. What's going on.
Speaker 3: With leand pills? She is I would like to do
Speaker 3: whatever she's doing.
Speaker 1: She is real, real zone all the time, real, it's
Speaker 1: real chill. Okay, let's talk about Love Hotel. Are you
Speaker 1: guys loving Love Hotel?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the show I passively I watch, But
Speaker 2: for me, it's more like it falls. Remember when the
Speaker 2: Kardashians were on E and they just run the episodes
Speaker 2: all day long on a Saturday and you do your house. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this show is that for me, because it doesn't really
Speaker 2: have steaks, and there is no way any of these
Speaker 2: high profile women are leaving this place for a real
Speaker 2: relationship with any of these people. I personally, if I
Speaker 2: was a producer, I'm always trying to fix shows. I
Speaker 2: would have welcomed and cast males from the Bravo universe
Speaker 2: from the past twenty years. You got some of those
Speaker 2: handsome top chef guys. Every woman loves a guy who
Speaker 2: can cook. Bring them on here, because I feel like
Speaker 2: that could have mixed it up a little bit more
Speaker 2: in a real way.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea. That's a good idea. It's sort
Speaker 1: of like with ninety day Hunt for Love, where they've
Speaker 1: got some ninety day people and then some singles, And
Speaker 1: at first I was like, I don't like that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to meet new people, but I'm enjoying it
Speaker 1: because the first that first episode, we get a girl saying,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I love to loom. It's the first
Speaker 1: place I had anal.
Speaker 3: And we need those people because yeah, we aren't really
Speaker 3: excited to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we're like, I don't need to see Rob
Speaker 1: making out with somebody again. So Shannon, okay, So Shannon,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, always a train wreck that we
Speaker 1: can't look away from. She of course immediately picked the ugliest,
Speaker 1: grossest guy, and she said Earl gives her comfort. Now
Speaker 1: she's picked him over and over, and this last episode
Speaker 1: she got upset because they were on a boat, which
Speaker 1: really lew Aanne. I know she must have said we
Speaker 1: got the yacht forty six times and they cut it
Speaker 1: out because they're like, it's over saying it. These people
Speaker 1: don't know what it means. But Earl was dancing shirtless
Speaker 1: with a shirt open on the boat and he's, you know,
Speaker 1: a pacy Midwestern guy and it wasn't cute, and Shannon
Speaker 1: was disgusted.
Speaker 2: That scene should have been like you know how the
Speaker 2: Geico commercials like mock old people doing it. Should have
Speaker 2: just like had that guy come out and go Earl, no, yeah,
Speaker 2: sure it back off.
Speaker 1: No, it's not cute. Nobody else is doing it. Some
Speaker 1: of these much hobby guys are not doing it.
Speaker 3: No. The best part about that, too is I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure that Shannon's father is although wealthy, he is like
Speaker 3: an older, wildly inappropriate male who says.
Speaker 1: It's like Aviva's dade, Aviva's dad.
Speaker 3: He's like gross, yeah, yeah, Like I say, like, your
Speaker 3: tits look great today, MP pretty high in perfect You're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god. And because he's ninety nine, they.
Speaker 1: Would be like, what, thank you, I'm so old. My
Speaker 1: hands said that's to be in years.
Speaker 3: And you know what they do, Okay, and that's beside
Speaker 3: the point. But yeah, Shannon was going to cry and
Speaker 3: throw up at the same time. But I think, can
Speaker 3: I say something that I feel bad about? I want
Speaker 3: her to be with someone like that because I don't
Speaker 3: think that the other men will ever want to be
Speaker 3: with her. And I think that she's got to understand that, like,
Speaker 3: in order to achieve happiness, you need to go with
Speaker 3: the ones who are nice to you and not the
Speaker 3: ones who you are like, you feel like you caught
Speaker 3: and you want something, Shannon, you know, we're no. You
Speaker 3: know that's good Ruby.
Speaker 1: That's that's a great point about Shannon Earl is just
Speaker 1: her speed. Now he lives on like a lake in
Speaker 1: Minnesota or something, and she's like, I'm a la girl.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately she didn't snag Philip right away, who lives
Speaker 1: in bel Air and apparently has like a couple of
Speaker 1: rolls voice. So she didn't snag Philip.
Speaker 2: Now what was the guy who kind of looks like
Speaker 2: Obama a little bit right?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a real estate developer? Really now okay, yes.
Speaker 3: Sirry until he said, what did you say like about
Speaker 3: I think he's the one who's never been married, And
Speaker 3: Giselle was like, so do you want to be married?
Speaker 3: And he was like, you know, I think at this
Speaker 3: point in my life like if it happens for me,
Speaker 3: it and I was just like you can say no,
Speaker 3: like you're allowed to say like you kid, and you
Speaker 3: just want to be rich and that's all, Like that's fine,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's fine too, and any of them could
Speaker 1: all be like, yeah, I mean, lu Anne, So lu Ayne.
Speaker 1: This new man entered the villa last week and he
Speaker 1: was a sixty five year old. Sixty five year old man,
Speaker 1: he's the oldest man we've seen who just said he
Speaker 1: literally just wants to travel the world. And when I
Speaker 1: tell you, lu Ane was like, who's James, Who's Mark?
Speaker 1: Who's everybody? I don't care. This guy sixty five, he's
Speaker 1: on his last leg. He wants to travel the world.
Speaker 1: This is my man, my man, my man.
Speaker 3: And she's right and she's smart. I think leu Ane, Okay,
Speaker 3: leu Anne needs to sit Shanon down and say, listen,
Speaker 3: we've gone after the ones that we think are the
Speaker 3: hot commodities to show the other people that we got them.
Speaker 3: John Jansen, Tom Oh I love to Oh my god,
Speaker 3: And can I just say I rewatched that season like
Speaker 3: two weeks ago. Oh my it's It's iconic, Bethany coming
Speaker 3: in and saying to her in tears, I have to
Speaker 3: tell you something and saying She's like I need alcohol.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: She's like Tom is making out with a girl at
Speaker 2: the bar, and Lawan's like, I love Tom. There's no way,
Speaker 2: and she's like, I literally am staring at him two
Speaker 2: feet away. Tom loves me. I love Tom?
Speaker 1: Do do do do? Do so bad?
Speaker 3: She's like, you know that.
Speaker 1: Right after that, within months of that, Ingrid and I
Speaker 1: went to the Regency, and not only in that, sitting
Speaker 1: at the Regency. Did we see and talk to Taylor
Speaker 1: Hawkins rip of the Food Fighters.
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: We also saw Michael Cohen walking through the lobby, and
Speaker 1: we fucking saw Tom at the bar with the girl.
Speaker 1: And all of this was in the middle of the day,
Speaker 1: the middle of the day that happened. Listen, we have
Speaker 1: also Engler has gotten felt up Hong Kong by Harry
Speaker 1: Duban at the Regency. We went back that night because
Speaker 1: we're like, what the fuck else could happen? We got
Speaker 1: to go back. We went to a play and we
Speaker 1: went back. Met Harry Dubin at the bar, pretended like
Speaker 1: we didn't know him, and that really set him off. Yes,
Speaker 1: he said he used to be on a show. We're like,
Speaker 1: what show, Well, we don't really watch. We don't really
Speaker 1: we don't really watch Bravos, So why don't you tell us?
Speaker 2: Tell us?
Speaker 1: And he told us all about it, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I was married to Aviva and you know, people don't
Speaker 1: know this, but I also dated Kelly Bensimone. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: is she the one with the brown hair? Like we
Speaker 1: acted like we had no clue because I can pall
Speaker 1: Sonia right now. She lives around the corner was like,
Speaker 1: please fucking don't, We're so scared. And then he told
Speaker 1: Ingrid she had a great rack and did a little
Speaker 1: reach around on her boobe.
Speaker 3: Harry, Okay, yeah, nothing, that's incredible. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yes, And one day thinking of Sonya Morgan, how did
Speaker 2: she not make it on this show?
Speaker 1: I think Sonya has a liability at this point, I think,
Speaker 1: and until she she's literally getting pulled out in the
Speaker 1: ambulances of every restaurant in New York City, she she
Speaker 1: she can't be trusted to keep it together.
Speaker 3: I think she can't be trusted if they're at an
Speaker 3: international location that they can't just like send her home from.
Speaker 3: It's genuinely not worth it to subject other people to
Speaker 3: her behavior, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I mean I think she could promise not
Speaker 1: to drink. I mean, you know, Shannon and Luyne are
Speaker 1: both you know, have had terrible run ins with the law,
Speaker 1: and they're less of a liability than Sonia.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, Karen, I mean, okay, is Shannon. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Shannon's drinking just like very openly. She shows them all
Speaker 3: the bloody picture and then she's like, it was the
Speaker 3: worst end of my life and if please.
Speaker 1: Look at this terrible picture of me. Doesn't everybody here
Speaker 1: want to bang me? Let me show you this picture
Speaker 1: of when I hit a house with my car and
Speaker 1: my bloody face don't in the car. He wants to
Speaker 1: have sex with me. Never forget about Archie. So also,
Speaker 1: I think another thing about leu Aenne that's funny about
Speaker 1: this show is Mark, the New.
Speaker 2: York Guy returns.
Speaker 1: Mark returned in a real Aladdin looking outfit, like I
Speaker 1: don't know what that was about. But she's like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, Marcus, he's returned for me. He's returned for me.
Speaker 1: We see a scene from next week where he's like
Speaker 1: telling Ashley, actually, I came for you, yes, which's gonna
Speaker 1: be real blow to Louisneau. Luyne's got the sixty five
Speaker 1: year old world traveler, she's got Mark, whose she think
Speaker 1: is really into her, and she's got her stalker, James,
Speaker 1: who was.
Speaker 2: The guy was his name David that was apparently into Luanne,
Speaker 2: But since Cynthia Bailey showed up, like he starts holding
Speaker 2: her hand. James, that's James, Okay, James is an idiot.
Speaker 1: James is like, I do consider her my girlfriend, and
Speaker 1: all of them are like, well.
Speaker 3: You need to go for a walk, and you need
Speaker 3: to go away from here for the day and then
Speaker 3: come back when you're collected your thoughts because this is wild.
Speaker 3: He was so weird and also the Leuwin kind of
Speaker 3: like freaking out, being like stop it now, you're being no. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm no no. I was like, whoa. Okay, Okay, here's
Speaker 3: the scoop.
Speaker 1: So Kate, our friend k Casey told me, so, this
Speaker 1: guy James is from the OC. Her intel from the
Speaker 1: OC is this guy is a complete loser with no job.
Speaker 1: Oh that's why. That's why he's an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: Okay, be careful. So the chirons are the labels. Generally
Speaker 2: they'll use it as chiron for what these people And
Speaker 2: this is just in general any reality TV show. Whenever
Speaker 2: you see entrepreneur, be very suspect. That is a very
Speaker 2: wide spectrum of what that consultant. Yes, that's exsultant. Also,
Speaker 2: think about this if you were and I know these
Speaker 2: men are of a certain age and maybe they have
Speaker 2: a certain place and you know, financially and they can
Speaker 2: do this. How many people can leave their job or
Speaker 2: business for six weeks to film a reality TV show?
Speaker 3: Right when you are that which we have to keep
Speaker 3: in mind, like, if you're doing it and you're in
Speaker 3: your twenties, you're going to come back, even if you've
Speaker 3: been there for a day or for the entire time,
Speaker 3: you're going to be making tens of thousands of dollars
Speaker 3: for Instagram posts. You guys are not doing that. Earl
Speaker 3: is not making any money on Instagram.
Speaker 1: So yes, Earl, he doesn't even have Instagram.
Speaker 3: I'm man, I hope he doesn't. Let's say that unless
Speaker 3: you are the bel Air guy, who I do believe
Speaker 3: has real money. He's just developed a bunch of stuff properties.
Speaker 3: He has his cars, he has his properties. He likes
Speaker 3: nice wine. I don't know that a lot of these
Speaker 3: other people have. Like I think people might be stressed
Speaker 3: about still having to pay for the last three years
Speaker 3: of college for their kids. And I don't know that
Speaker 3: any of these women are going to be okay with that,
Speaker 3: least of all Shannon.
Speaker 1: I do know that Mark who came back is legit
Speaker 1: because I had Megan Weaver on several weeks ago and
Speaker 1: the show had just started and we were talking about it,
Speaker 1: and she said, well, Mark, I recognized when he came
Speaker 1: on the screen. I go, how I was like, he
Speaker 1: looks like the Marlboro Man or something like, he's very
Speaker 1: good looking. I mean maybe a little my son he has. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's a little sunburned. For me, he's a little but
Speaker 1: she said she Meghan recognized because Meghan is an interior designer.
Speaker 1: She's followed him for years because of his real estate
Speaker 1: development in New York City. She's like, no, he's a legit,
Speaker 1: you know, building designer in New York City. So she
Speaker 1: knew who he was from that.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So actually, Luayne, but you know, the sixty five year
Speaker 1: old guy also said this week that he really likes
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have to be in the same city
Speaker 1: with his girl all the time, Like he has these
Speaker 1: three houses they bounce around. And it was like, well,
Speaker 1: I like that, darling, because I like to fuck other
Speaker 1: men on the side, so it works out.
Speaker 3: I like pirates the I think it was Cynthia and
Speaker 3: she was asking Mark. She was like, and how old
Speaker 3: is your last girlfriend? And he was like younger, she
Speaker 3: was younger. Young.
Speaker 2: Now you guys haven't talked about Ralph.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, Ralph. Now, now, Pat, here's where your days
Speaker 1: of working in the studio comes back, circles back, around. Okay,
Speaker 1: Ralph has been a sound engineer for rock bands all
Speaker 1: around the world and he lives in Nashville, so that
Speaker 1: all tracks. Yeah, I need to know what rock bands.
Speaker 1: I need specifics. Are we talking Grateful Dead, are we
Speaker 1: talking Rolling Stones? Are we talking Maroon five? I need
Speaker 1: to know what we're talking. He has said rock bands,
Speaker 1: and I need to know which ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when it said I've been around bands for twenty
Speaker 2: or traveling with bands, I thought my instantly went where
Speaker 2: you went with wait as a fan following the Grateful Dad,
Speaker 2: but you actually know that he's a sound engine.
Speaker 1: He's a sound engineer and that's what he does. He's
Speaker 1: so they've showed some like flashbacks pictures of him and stuff,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what are we talking? Are we talking
Speaker 1: about you two? Or are we talking about like the
Speaker 1: opening band for Pearl Jam? Like what are we talking?
Speaker 2: So there is kind of knowing the business a little bit.
Speaker 2: Some of these guys. If you are with Maroon five
Speaker 2: or some of those other big bands, like you're on
Speaker 2: retainers so when they're not touring, they want to so
Speaker 2: you can have six months to a year off and
Speaker 2: then you go on the road for a year or whatever,
Speaker 2: and yeah, you can make a nice living that way.
Speaker 2: Your family life isn't shatters. I never met an engineer
Speaker 2: that wasn't on his like third marriage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so he has time to go on a
Speaker 1: reality show and whatnot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, here's I Ashley. I want you to
Speaker 3: go to therapy and solve the issues that we may
Speaker 3: have to deal with with our father and ex husband.
Speaker 3: And I think that then maybe we naturally choose you
Speaker 3: start to choose Wallet because Mark isn't it, and Mark's
Speaker 3: family won't like you. Okay, you mean Ralph? Sorry, sorry, Ralph.
Speaker 3: I like it Ralph, and I keep I keep calling
Speaker 3: him Mark, but it's Ralph, and I in my head
Speaker 3: he looks like the character from Macket Ralph, so it
Speaker 3: should be easy for me to remember right.
Speaker 2: Now actually started getting the dick on Walle.
Speaker 1: He's too he's too eager. And also I have to
Speaker 1: tell you, I understand he wants kids, and she's got
Speaker 1: two kids, and she's sort of like I wanted to
Speaker 1: have my two kids with this rich guy, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to have any more kids, like and I
Speaker 1: get it, she's young, she's already got her kids.
Speaker 3: I agree, with her. I need to clarify. I completely
Speaker 3: agree with you. I didn't mean wallet like this guy.
Speaker 3: I meant just age appropriate, just a guy that's like here.
Speaker 3: And maybe he's ten years older than her, that's completely fine.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's been divorced too, Who cares. I just want
Speaker 3: her to to not go for these these people that
Speaker 3: are like an archetype of something that she feels that
Speaker 3: she needs because she's I don't know how many times
Speaker 3: this girl has to proved to herself, like, regardless of
Speaker 3: the amount of bad decisions she's making, she's picking herself
Speaker 3: right back up and figuring her shit out so she's good.
Speaker 3: She can have a relationship that is just makes her
Speaker 3: feel good. I feel like she has this weird savior
Speaker 3: dad thing that she needs and it's like, actually, just
Speaker 3: states somebody that you like, that's all, you know.
Speaker 1: I think she's still dating that guy Josh that we
Speaker 1: saw on the last season of Potomac Great.
Speaker 3: Like, genuinely, what a normal, fucking, weird, normal relationship for you, Ashley.
Speaker 3: I hope you take it and have fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then what about Giselle. Gazelle seems to hate everybody.
Speaker 1: I feel like she she wants to like Philip because
Speaker 1: he's rich. She doesn't want to kiss him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think Gazel wants anybody in. I think
Speaker 3: Gizelle wants to have somebody when she wants them. But
Speaker 3: the majority of the time, I think Gizelle just likes
Speaker 3: to do things her way and she's happy that way.
Speaker 2: She's the one cast member that feels like this is
Speaker 2: just a paycheck.
Speaker 1: M Okay, you're right, got good point. I would like
Speaker 1: to go way into the best show on television, The Valley. Pat.
Speaker 1: How close do any of these valley people live to you?
Speaker 1: Because I've been to your home in the valley.
Speaker 2: Let's put it this way. I walked by Tom Sports yesterday.
Speaker 2: So these people are in Ruby, the house that she
Speaker 2: grew up in. She's right in the thick of it.
Speaker 2: I have to give it to them. Unlike the Real
Speaker 2: Housewives of Beverly Hills, where everybody lives in Encino. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: We'll actually live in the valley and every b roll
Speaker 2: shot you see of a sign or a street is
Speaker 2: in the valley. They're not like playing games where they're
Speaker 2: shooting out in Beverly Hills or down by the Beach.
Speaker 2: I mean they do that for scenes, but everything shot
Speaker 2: in the valley, so they're staying true to it. And
Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear that you said you like
Speaker 2: this show, because we love it too. But the show is,
Speaker 2: as I assume you've heard, has low ratings. People.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Oh it's on the chopping block.
Speaker 3: They're trying to cancel it and saying lowest ratings. Nobody
Speaker 3: wants to watch it. And if people are watching it,
Speaker 3: they think it's bad and depressing, and nobody cares.
Speaker 1: Nobody i've talked to thinks that. I mean, people do
Speaker 1: think it's depressing, but it's real life exactly.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: Case in point MP. If the Valley was doing well,
Speaker 2: they would not have moved the premiere of gen X
Speaker 2: in its spot. You're like shuffling times for viewers. I
Speaker 2: know people most don't view it real time and they
Speaker 2: record it, but yeah, I want the show to stay.
Speaker 2: I think Alec Baskin has already come out and said
Speaker 2: it's we've already renewed it. We're not recasting because the
Speaker 2: fun part is the actual regular people, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: in their lives in the valley and they're not living
Speaker 2: in these crazy houses. I mean, the house a million dollars,
Speaker 2: but it's just it's very relatable to me, especially with
Speaker 2: the kid aspect.
Speaker 1: Yes, it totally is. And so this week we had
Speaker 1: the whole back and forth about Jason takes his ring off,
Speaker 1: and they solved it and then Janet brings it back
Speaker 1: up because what we find out is maybe Janet's mom
Speaker 1: is also a shit stir, because Janet's mom was like, wait,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't take that sitting down, you should bring it
Speaker 1: back up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's what I will say. The storylines are very
Speaker 2: thin this season. It's hard to have a second season
Speaker 2: that beats the first season. I mean, the first season
Speaker 2: had no less than three marriages implode before our eyes
Speaker 2: are I mean, that's just gold. You're not going to
Speaker 2: get that again. I think this show is kind of
Speaker 2: finding itself. I do want to say, you know, we
Speaker 2: had like a two episode arc of what a drunk
Speaker 2: Danny is, and now we've moved onto this ring thing.
Speaker 2: Those are kind of ridiculous storylines, I think, and I
Speaker 2: don't think Laala and Sheena and Brock coming back are
Speaker 2: the solution to help these things. Sena has essentially become
Speaker 2: like background, Like I don't think she's had to like
Speaker 2: her muscles are dull, like, she hasn't had to like
Speaker 2: do heavy lifting as far as being a reality TV
Speaker 2: star in years, So she just kind of hovers in
Speaker 2: the background. And I can't stand Brock. He's my least
Speaker 2: favorite person on reality TV. Look kids in two different countries,
Speaker 2: and he blames the mother why he can't see them.
Speaker 1: Like, listen, I've not I have not listen. I have
Speaker 1: not heard that. I have not Brock say he blames
Speaker 1: the mother. I've heard him take full blame for what
Speaker 1: he did, and I've heard him say, We've been to
Speaker 1: Australia a couple of times and given them the option
Speaker 1: to see me, and it's on their own and they
Speaker 1: have a great mother, they have a great stepfather, and
Speaker 1: if they don't want to see me, okay, maybe they'll
Speaker 1: come back around. That's what I've heard. Now he has
Speaker 1: taken full blame and he has finally paid all his
Speaker 1: back child support. So listen, listen. I didn't need to
Speaker 1: hear about Sheena's hemorrhoids from him sticking editor butt. I
Speaker 1: didn't need to hear that at all.
Speaker 3: M P.
Speaker 2: I'm going to push back a little bit just based
Speaker 2: on what we do know that I think we can
Speaker 2: agree upon. Children should not be the ones making the
Speaker 2: decision whether dad is in their life. A dad should
Speaker 2: push himself and really show them how much he's trying
Speaker 2: and not stop. Yeah, because the kids will reflect on
Speaker 2: that and they'll go My dad did not stop even
Speaker 2: when we were, you know, pushing back. But we were
Speaker 2: young and we didn't know. And thank god he kept
Speaker 2: pushing because now we have a relationship. The fact that
Speaker 2: he flies over to this country get finds himself on
Speaker 2: a reality show, Well, he's got two separate kids in
Speaker 2: different countries. I just I don't think that makes him
Speaker 2: a good person.
Speaker 3: Now, well, I think that there we can hold space
Speaker 3: for two truths at the same time. But I do
Speaker 3: think that it is worth noting. And I think that
Speaker 3: their mom kind of sounds like she's making a good
Speaker 3: decision ish by just keeping like the kids sound like
Speaker 3: they're happy and she doesn't want to disrupt it, so
Speaker 3: to each their own that.
Speaker 2: Being treat I have daddy issues. Secondly, he has two moms,
Speaker 2: two separate women, not one.
Speaker 1: No, I thought I was one woman and two kids.
Speaker 2: Really, I think they're in different countries. Okay, I could
Speaker 2: be wrong.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's the Australian woman has two kids.
Speaker 3: I believe that's the case, And again I could be wrong,
Speaker 3: but either way, what I and this is similar to
Speaker 3: Brittany and Jack's er and Pat and I have talked
Speaker 3: about this. MP. You know who Jack Saylor is. You
Speaker 3: saw it time again, time again, time again, and then
Speaker 3: you saw it forty four more times again. Then you
Speaker 3: got married and it just continued. Then you chose to
Speaker 3: have a kid, And so it's like, at what point
Speaker 3: do we say, like our frontal lobe was developed. Every
Speaker 3: one's over twenty five, where like Sheena chose to fucking
Speaker 3: have a kid with them, You're like, oh damn, all right, cool,
Speaker 3: that was a choice. And I think he seems to
Speaker 3: be doing a really good job with Summer Moon. They
Speaker 3: seem to be a very cute little family. I think
Speaker 3: Jax Taylor is going to be Pat and Dylan and
Speaker 3: I said, like, if he goes to jail somehow and
Speaker 3: just stays there for forever, that will be the best
Speaker 3: thing that happens for Brittany because she just needs him gone.
Speaker 3: He's going to be so problematic, and I feel so
Speaker 3: bad for that kid as well, because he's going to
Speaker 3: grow up and be like, whoa, that was my dad.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. This is cool, Okay, Jax.
Speaker 1: Is going to marry some other young girl in the
Speaker 1: next ten years and have three very small children and
Speaker 1: never speak to Britney and Cruse again.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I need to take forty five minutes alone
Speaker 3: in a room to say what that lot, and then
Speaker 3: I will come back.
Speaker 1: Oh don't you think He'll marry some young stupid model,
Speaker 1: have a few kids and never speak to Brittany and
Speaker 1: Cruz again, never pay a dollar for that stupid farmhouse
Speaker 1: that we know as a farmhouse because it says farmhouse
Speaker 1: all over it. No, he'll he'll, He'll ditch them completely.
Speaker 3: Ruby Souse, I know, I think you could be so
Speaker 3: very I'm so upset, I'm so mad.
Speaker 2: So we saw. This is the crazy part about Jacks,
Speaker 2: Like has it just been that lifestyle because it doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like this is his upbringing when you see his
Speaker 2: sister in this episode, well adjusted, thoughtful, and you have
Speaker 2: to ask yourself, where does Jacks come from? Is it
Speaker 2: just all the years of drug use and manipulating people
Speaker 2: and then he just became this kind of empty, empty soul.
Speaker 1: Every single thing he says is a lie. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we understand that he had this like huge
Speaker 1: freedom tattoo across his back because he was in the military.
Speaker 1: Never was in the military. He did this, and he
Speaker 1: graduated from this college, never went to one day at college,
Speaker 1: like literally he just like left high school, went to Miami,
Speaker 1: became a fuck boy, became a model. Now the modeling
Speaker 1: is true. We've actually seen the evidence of that some
Speaker 1: other people. And was told he was very good looking.
Speaker 1: And for some people, when you're told you're very good
Speaker 1: looking over and over and over, and then you believe
Speaker 1: your own hype and then just think you can do anything,
Speaker 1: just lies about everything. And the fact that he still
Speaker 1: has like Schwartz and stand ofbal to some extent, and
Speaker 1: Jesse being friends with him when they know, and even Jason,
Speaker 1: they know every word that comes out of his mouth
Speaker 1: is a lie. And that's kind of fun. That's kind
Speaker 1: of fun to have that fun friend that's just like
Speaker 1: a okay, well, you know, he's a fucking line, but
Speaker 1: he's fine at the bar. It's not fun like he's
Speaker 1: he Obviously there was a domestic violent situation with his
Speaker 1: wife he's been put in a rehab the escapes from
Speaker 1: and then goes back. He has a child, he doesn't
Speaker 1: pay the mortgage on the house. He's one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in restitution to the government. Writtany said on the
Speaker 1: Valley after show, Okay, I was going to tell how
Speaker 1: does he still have friends?
Speaker 3: One? How does he still have friends too? I don't
Speaker 3: know if you watch the after show. But their podcast
Speaker 3: that he keeps this going that he says, our podcast
Speaker 3: first of all, okay, and you guys know numbers. You
Speaker 3: guys have done podcasting for a long time. He says
Speaker 3: that their podcast makes one million dollars a year. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's interesting, and that he handed the feed over to her,
Speaker 3: quote unquote so that she could take all of the
Speaker 3: money and then pay for the mortgage that he owed.
Speaker 3: And then he still has not done that. And on
Speaker 3: the after show he's saying in front of I think
Speaker 3: Jesse and I don't remember who, he's sitting next to Schwartz.
Speaker 3: He explains it. He's tripping over his words, he's stumbling
Speaker 3: because he's fucking lying, and then he just says, yeah,
Speaker 3: I did that, I have done that, and Brittany's like, nope,
Speaker 3: hasn't done it yet, and the boys don't say anything,
Speaker 3: Like if you two sat here right now and said
Speaker 3: that this guy was orange, I would say, well, that's
Speaker 3: not true because I'm looking at it and it's blue,
Speaker 3: So don't gas lightly. We're changing the subject because you're
Speaker 3: both liars. They don't say a word. It's insane, and
Speaker 3: he's forty five.
Speaker 1: Schwartz looks on the after show, like how much am
Speaker 1: I getting paid to be here? Why do I Why
Speaker 1: do other people get to sit with cool people but
Speaker 1: I have to sit with Jack's like why can't I sit?
Speaker 1: Why can't I hang out with Jason? I don't want
Speaker 1: to be with Jackson Jesse? I mean, Schwartz is like,
Speaker 1: why am I with Jackson Jesse? No matter what they say,
Speaker 1: Schwartz just looks off to the side and they'll ask it.
Speaker 1: He'll go, you know, man, that's not true, or he's
Speaker 1: just kind of like, hey, that's not what Brittany said,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: There was something egregious that Jackson was like, So then
Speaker 3: I like came into the house and I pissed all
Speaker 3: over the floor, and Brittany just said like Okay, that
Speaker 3: sounds good, and Schwartz was like, I don't think that's exactly.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what happened.
Speaker 2: I have to ask you, MP, because I went on
Speaker 2: a wild tangentbout how much I hate Rock. What do
Speaker 2: you think about adding La La and Sheena the Valley?
Speaker 2: What are your feelings on that.
Speaker 1: I think they're fine as bee characters. Like this week
Speaker 1: we get Jared again, and then we get you know,
Speaker 1: and then we get Jenna, who has always been on
Speaker 1: the Valley as a B list friend, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: I think they're great to come in and add a
Speaker 1: little flavor and leave. I don't need them to be
Speaker 1: main characters. I think that they had to bring them
Speaker 1: in because Jack the left, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: it's sort of the same with like on Atlanta, like
Speaker 1: Kenya left, so they have to bring in Faedra like
Speaker 1: they got to bring in the heavy hitters. So I
Speaker 1: understand why they're doing it. It doesn't bother me. Sena
Speaker 1: and Lala makes sense. Brock not so much, but he's
Speaker 1: there with Sena, so it's fine.
Speaker 2: I like the replacement theory, but no one has the
Speaker 2: best tagline in housewives history. Brains booty and all business.
Speaker 1: Is that Padra.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but okay, so I love that Jack's may be
Speaker 2: in a little trouble with that bar. I know you've
Speaker 2: been there, MP last night. You went there. I was
Speaker 2: there two fridays ago at seven thirty at night.
Speaker 1: It's on Friday, on a Friday night.
Speaker 2: People are spilling out of bars and restaurants. The street
Speaker 2: is filled. It's it's just a very busy, busy business
Speaker 2: in time of night. There were two people in that bar.
Speaker 2: It was my wife and I and it would have
Speaker 2: killed us and maybe the bartender if she was around.
Speaker 2: No one was there. It was a ghost sound. I
Speaker 2: don't know how that business works. And I'd heard that
Speaker 2: he may have embezzled some money allegedly from some of
Speaker 2: the partners are invested sometimes these things and it's like.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that. But the fact that her wedding
Speaker 1: rings were missing this week was I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he snorted those or ride up his nose.
Speaker 3: They're in my safe. Okay, just a quick queue, top
Speaker 3: of your head, Jacks, where's your safe?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You you are a pathological fucking liar, and you are
Speaker 3: addicted to cocaine.
Speaker 1: That's all it's really bad. And what you know, this
Speaker 1: week we thought, for just like half a second, we
Speaker 1: saw a glimmer of him saying, like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: the way I treated her for all these years, Like
Speaker 1: it's really terrible. But because with jackson's never just a statement,
Speaker 1: it's always a but she allowed it. I wish that
Speaker 1: she would have divorced me. I wish, you know, she
Speaker 1: was so used to it, she didn't do anything about it. Like,
Speaker 1: m there you go. You can't just say I treated
Speaker 1: her terribly. I was a terrible husband for all these years.
Speaker 1: But she also didn't stop me. So that's where she's
Speaker 1: the bitch. Also, she fucked my best friend. No, she didn't.
Speaker 1: It's not your best friend. Every single person on the
Speaker 1: show has said Julian is not your best friend. We've
Speaker 1: never even seen this guy.
Speaker 2: A party in Hollywood last season.
Speaker 1: He's just a friend, the god on the thirty man group. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's on the group text, so you hast to be
Speaker 1: my best friend. They're all like no. And by the way, Lala,
Speaker 1: if you watched the after show, Lala said she used
Speaker 1: to fuck him.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, he's been passed around. He's a random pree
Speaker 3: to give ridiculous to try parallel that he's trying to draw.
Speaker 3: He is, he's pathological. I don't know what you do though,
Speaker 3: like with if you're a narcissist, can you this is
Speaker 3: an actual question, can you go? Can you go to
Speaker 3: therapy for that?
Speaker 1: But I mean he said on the after Show that
Speaker 1: he was number nine on the narcissist scale, which I
Speaker 1: think it's a scale of nine, and so at least
Speaker 1: he knows, but I don't know, like, once you know it,
Speaker 1: can you fix it? Or if you just use that
Speaker 1: as an excuse to be like, well, I'm a narcissist, what.
Speaker 3: Do you want me to do? You know what he
Speaker 3: reminds me of on the after show too, when he
Speaker 3: was saying about Brittany, he was like, I mean on
Speaker 3: the show, he was like, I just wish she would
Speaker 3: have left me, like years ago. It was like when
Speaker 3: Sandoval was like, she would have had to follow me
Speaker 3: one time to Schwarts his house one time, And you're like, oh, oh, so.
Speaker 1: Now we're blaming Ariana for not following you to see
Speaker 1: that you were fucking her friends, because that was in
Speaker 1: fact her friend.
Speaker 3: Right, thank you for that? Okay? Sure?
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, with Sandoval, at
Speaker 1: least she sees a slight bit of remorse.
Speaker 3: Agreed, he's more, He's way, way, way less like Jaxon's
Speaker 3: head just sounds like metal scratching all the time to me,
Speaker 3: and like manic eyes going back and forth. I think
Speaker 3: Sandoval has like cartoon characters kind of running around.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think that's right. I think that
Speaker 1: the Traders helped him a lot to to soften his image.
Speaker 1: And then we have Jesse, who also is a narcissistic sociopath.
Speaker 1: But Jesse is like allegedly Jesse is like, well, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. I should not have called my wife and
Speaker 1: the mother of my child a lying, cheating wore. But
Speaker 1: she is in fact a liar and a cheater. But
Speaker 1: the horror part was wrong. Just how about this, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have said that end of sentence. Don't bud it,
Speaker 1: don't don't just just.
Speaker 2: An I often ask myself this with someone like Jessie,
Speaker 2: who appeared, at least from the outside that he had
Speaker 2: a successful real estate career on this show, I mean,
Speaker 2: you're throwing talk about throwing all your eggs in one
Speaker 2: basket and hoping that it works out. Because I who
Speaker 2: would hire this guy to sell their house or to
Speaker 2: buy a house at this point, I mean, there's only
Speaker 2: one million other real estate agents out there. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: look at this guy and you're like, oh, he's a sociopath.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because she talks on the after show. She
Speaker 1: talks about like who do you think owes more money?
Speaker 1: Jesse or Jack's like she and Brittany compare like who's
Speaker 1: got your worst X? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the credit score is worse. It's like, I don't
Speaker 3: think that he's in a position at all. And then
Speaker 3: Jesse tries to justify it by being like, well, you guys,
Speaker 3: you know you wouldn't understand because you're not in real estate,
Speaker 3: So let me explain it to you. But if you
Speaker 3: want to sell expensive homes, you have to hang out
Speaker 3: with very rich people. So that's why you blow all
Speaker 3: of your money when you go to Monte Carlo or whatever.
Speaker 3: And you're like, okay, Collri, Copry, Copry, I.
Speaker 2: Have to ask both of you because I'm all right.
Speaker 2: So these shows on Bravo Relationships, It's one of the
Speaker 2: tropes is they can't withstand a reality TV show A
Speaker 2: couple Okay, and look, Andy's asked this at Bravo con.
Speaker 2: He'll go, hey, who's going to get divorced next? Whose
Speaker 2: marriage implodes first? Janet and Jason's or Danny and Nia's.
Speaker 1: Ooh, well, that's tough because Danny and Nia are are
Speaker 1: very religious and she's got such childhood trauma that hmm.
Speaker 1: And they're they're getting there with the fourth kid in
Speaker 1: the Santa Clarita situation. But I don't want Jason and
Speaker 1: Janet to break up because I think that we saw
Speaker 1: this week with the metal detector. I was like, and
Speaker 1: he's so excited about how much she loves Dave and Busters.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think Jason is a nerd as so
Speaker 1: as Janet, and that's why they are together.
Speaker 2: I used to say this when all the weirdos would
Speaker 2: have those metal detectors out of the beaches. When I
Speaker 2: play as a kid, I go the same person that
Speaker 2: has a metal detector goes to porn conventions to get autographs.
Speaker 2: It's just really.
Speaker 1: Dave and Busters. I don't know. It's like, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them are getting divorced. Zach
Speaker 1: and Benji that's who I think is going to break.
Speaker 3: Up to keep them away from our screens, please I could.
Speaker 3: I don't want anything to do with them. I think
Speaker 3: that Danny and Nia are going to be miserable for
Speaker 3: a couple of years, but they're going to push through
Speaker 3: and they'll just tell themselves because we have four young kids.
Speaker 3: This is just what it is, and there's a very
Speaker 3: strong God element to it. They're going to be in
Speaker 3: like that, that picket fence phase for like six to
Speaker 3: eight years. I think that Jason and Janet I can't
Speaker 3: unless one of them does something horrible, like Jason gets
Speaker 3: like a dui or something like that, like wildly out
Speaker 3: of character. I think they might actually stay together for forever.
Speaker 3: I can see Danny getting divorced in like thirteen years,
Speaker 3: when no one knows who they are anymore, you know.
Speaker 1: Interesting? Okay, one more thing about the valley. Okay, this week,
Speaker 1: Zach again says something terrible when the cameras weren't around,
Speaker 1: so we know that he says something terrible about Janet
Speaker 1: and on Sheena's podcast, I haven't heard it. This is
Speaker 1: just hearsay. Some Sheena said. Oh, he definitely said about Janet, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I hope her baby dies, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: he did say something terrible. Okay, it wasn't just the
Speaker 1: oh I don't care. It wasn't that. It was something
Speaker 1: terrible when the cameras were off. Okay, so cameras go down,
Speaker 1: he decides to say something terrible about their buddy Jared. Now,
Speaker 1: we played a game on our recap of the Valley
Speaker 1: where we played what did Jared? What did Zach say
Speaker 1: about Jared? Now, these are two gay guys that obviously
Speaker 1: hate each other. What did he say? So we were
Speaker 1: coming up with Okay, he obviously said like I hope
Speaker 1: somebody fucks him up the ass with a chainsaw, Like
Speaker 1: he said something terrible. But then we remembered that last
Speaker 1: season on the Valley they had they went to a
Speaker 1: whole big, like black tie event for the fundraising event
Speaker 1: that Jared's a part of because he's a received and
Speaker 1: he's an organ recipient more from an organ donor. Right,
Speaker 1: So then we're like, oh, he says something like that,
Speaker 1: like I hope his liver fails. He says, she's he
Speaker 1: said something terrible about him that they will not repeat
Speaker 1: on television.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think I had something to do with a
Speaker 2: penis in his mouth choking him to death.
Speaker 1: But that even that that's not because she was like,
Speaker 1: you could just tell somebody to fuck off, It didn't
Speaker 1: have to be that bad. So we're like it was
Speaker 1: as bad as I hope your baby dies. It was
Speaker 1: like I hope you're organ fails, I mean.
Speaker 3: Or like I feel like it would probably have more
Speaker 3: of a like a fun gay flare, like it would
Speaker 3: be like, I hope he gets like seriously like that
Speaker 3: he gets like fucked up the ass so hard that
Speaker 3: they break his new liver or something like that. Like
Speaker 3: I could see him saying something like that, Ruby, that's good.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of Zac. Yeah. I think he's
Speaker 2: a pretty negative person and very needy. And you could
Speaker 2: see in this episode just how much how much his
Speaker 2: relationship with Britney is how he identifies with himself in
Speaker 2: the world, or at least lost angel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's he came there for her, like she
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta move in with this guy, Jacks,
Speaker 1: will you come with me? And he goes okay, and
Speaker 1: he moved to La with her as a friend.
Speaker 3: And then he took care of her while she got
Speaker 3: her boobs done because Jacks was out partying and cheating
Speaker 3: on her.
Speaker 1: But those were the roots he picked, and it was
Speaker 1: the wrong decision. Let's just all say it quickly before
Speaker 1: we end. We're all watching Real Housewives of Atlanta. People
Speaker 1: aren't really loving it. I'm so happy Fader's back. I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with myself.
Speaker 3: Me too, And again, I can understand there were wrongdoings
Speaker 3: in the past. I've to watch her exist in space.
Speaker 3: She's unbelievable TV. She's somehow beautiful, she's reverse aging. I
Speaker 3: love her.
Speaker 2: I'm glad Kenya's gone. She's despicable as far as we aalayly,
Speaker 2: we've seen people do a lot of horrible things that one.
Speaker 2: I think if may have got her where, she won't
Speaker 2: even be U for a season of Villains like She's
Speaker 2: that's just that bad. It was just bad. So I'm
Speaker 2: happy that I didn't understand that that's how Favor got
Speaker 2: cast to kind of fill that space. It just I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, Favor was back.
Speaker 1: I the story, that's my that's my guest. By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't have any insider knowledge.
Speaker 2: Well, it makes total sense. My favorite storyline is definitely
Speaker 2: Drew attempting to be a music artist with Dennis, and
Speaker 2: I love Dennis because someone who can sell hot dogs
Speaker 2: and be a music producer. That he's got rage talent,
Speaker 2: talent and let's see, yes, Drew is also a very
Speaker 2: despicable person and her husband is the one that lives
Speaker 2: in the basement, right.
Speaker 3: Thank crowd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say that's my favorite storyline. I will say
Speaker 2: about Drew. There are a lot of careers you can
Speaker 2: start in your forties. Being a musketeer and a pop
Speaker 2: singer is not one of them. So I always laugh
Speaker 2: at that. But anyway, I'm enjoying the season. I love Porsche.
Speaker 1: Shema is great. She's great, She's great, his main character energy,
Speaker 1: she's great.
Speaker 3: I wonder where like I wanted her on my screen
Speaker 3: for the last however many years. I love her. I
Speaker 3: think she's wonderful. She's shady, she serves the pod, she's
Speaker 3: not afraid, and her husband is so rich. They I
Speaker 3: love it. I love her money on the screen. It's
Speaker 3: amazing and I like her much so.
Speaker 1: Rich Now, Angela Oakley, pat you'll like this, am I.
Speaker 1: When the first episode came out, I was watching it
Speaker 1: because I'll see whatever taking notes and I paused it
Speaker 1: and my husband walks through the room and goes, is
Speaker 1: that Charles Oakley, and I go, huh, what I don't know?
Speaker 1: This is housewife is Angela? He goes, that's Charles Oakley.
Speaker 1: He's an NBA player. I go what. He goes, no,
Speaker 1: like he played with Jordan, Like he's a very famous
Speaker 1: basketball player. I go, oh, I don't know. He's married
Speaker 1: to this lady who's on Real Housewives at Atlanta. And he's like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? I mean, he is so upset that
Speaker 1: somebody that famous in the basketball world was on TV
Speaker 1: as like the husband of this one. He goes, I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I'm so upset, Like he left the room.
Speaker 1: I go, well, let's just see he's cooking in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: He goes, no, well, no, never want tom watch VH
Speaker 2: one because there's an actual series called Basketball Lives.
Speaker 1: He was very upset about somebody as esteemed as Charles Oakley.
Speaker 1: You know, of course, I was like, do you mean
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley. He's like, quit tal fucking.
Speaker 2: Because it seems like they may just be one of
Speaker 2: those relationships where it's like, yeah, we don't really show
Speaker 2: affection for each other anymore, and it's just, you know,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: They have a great relationship because she has said like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he did this, he acted a full there was rumors
Speaker 1: about him. I left him for a while, we got
Speaker 1: back together, you know, I just sort of liked it.
Speaker 1: She's like, we're elders. Yeah, we've been through some shit
Speaker 1: as old people that are married.
Speaker 3: You know. I also think she looks at the other
Speaker 3: women who are very catty in their new half marriage
Speaker 3: half nots, and she's just like, when you get to
Speaker 3: be here in the public eye, like I was, we
Speaker 3: can talk, Okay, you little kittens, I am. I'm not
Speaker 3: interested in it. He is the most unbothered person I
Speaker 3: think I've ever seen on TV, and I appreciate it
Speaker 3: immensely every time he's there.
Speaker 1: Okay. Also, I wanted to ask you about her house
Speaker 1: flipping business is not going well. Not every every week
Speaker 1: we see a new house that's like she's trying to flip,
Speaker 1: Like she has multiple properties.
Speaker 2: I think I've heard her say that she's twenty million
Speaker 2: dollars in debt right now.
Speaker 1: I think it was two too.
Speaker 2: Okay. The good news is if you own those properties,
Speaker 2: I guess you're paying mortgages. And maybe maybe she meant
Speaker 2: she's borrowing money to just basically keep up the payments,
Speaker 2: and I could see where you get there. But if
Speaker 2: she means two million dollars because the houses haven't sold
Speaker 2: and that's how much she's invested, that's not really losing
Speaker 2: the money.
Speaker 1: She needs a better contractor like all these houses, You're like,
Speaker 1: why have you priced this house at three million dollars?
Speaker 1: Even in the middle of Los Angeles with a pool,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't pay three million dollars for that house. It's
Speaker 1: a piece of shit, you know, by the way, So
Speaker 1: you know, I follow all the real estate stuff off
Speaker 1: anywhere I ever go. So i get LA listings all
Speaker 1: the time, and I'm always like, oh my god, really.
Speaker 3: Really, it'll make you jump. It'll make you jump.
Speaker 1: I mean New York too. I get New York apartments
Speaker 1: all the time. But I can get behind a six
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars studio in New York. Somehow I get
Speaker 1: my brain around that. I'm like, that's enough space for
Speaker 1: one person six hundred Okay. I can't get my brain around.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, in the DC area, it's pretty expensive.
Speaker 1: I can't get my brain around like a one point
Speaker 1: five million dollar, two bows room, one bath bungalow.
Speaker 3: And it's not a bungalows. It's a house that they
Speaker 3: thought that you wouldn't notice if they called it a bungalow,
Speaker 3: that it didn't have a roof on the side. And
Speaker 3: it's like it is, I'm sorry, and this has been
Speaker 3: condemned for the last nine years. And they're like, that's
Speaker 3: why it's so cheap.
Speaker 1: Pat, You're sitting on a gold mine well in the valley.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, but I will say this. When Danny and
Speaker 2: Neir were talking on the valley, when they were talking
Speaker 2: about houses, my head just stopped. I said, I said,
Speaker 2: Santa Clarita, that is where all the young couples are going,
Speaker 2: because it is there's a freeway that connects Santa Clarita
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles that no one drives on. So you're
Speaker 2: technically twenty minutes away from Los Angeles and it's basically
Speaker 2: just beautiful rolling hills of new developments. So you know,
Speaker 2: you can buy a house for seven hundred you know,
Speaker 2: three bedroom, two bath house. I'm sorry, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: This isn't a real estate show. But in Frida it's
Speaker 2: probably a nice neighborhood. And uh, and you can say,
Speaker 2: technically you live in Los Angeles, so you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's every.
Speaker 1: Time every time I hear Santa Clarita, I just think
Speaker 1: Amy Fillips. Amy Phillips lives in Santa Clarita. Oh so
Speaker 1: I was like, are you gonna be neighbors? She was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm start walking around looking for them.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if you're going to wrap it up,
Speaker 2: but I did have a way to bring this home
Speaker 2: from the carrokay.
Speaker 1: So bringing it up back to Karen ra well done.
Speaker 2: That's broadcasting. So one of the shows that I'm really
Speaker 2: looking forward to that Bravo said is in either they
Speaker 2: finished filming or it's coming out, is the Real Housewives
Speaker 2: of Rhode Island or.
Speaker 1: Probably Okay heard that, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you may know this year on these goes they
Speaker 2: have real motherfucking money there, like oh yeah, an insane
Speaker 2: beach city with crazy We're talking old old money.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if they do the right casting on that, that
Speaker 2: is going to be a phenomenal show. And this is
Speaker 2: where I'm going to tie it into Karen Reid. This is
Speaker 2: a prediction, Okay, that is going to be a huge
Speaker 2: success and they're going to realize maybe we need to
Speaker 2: have more shows because you know New York is on
Speaker 2: Haidus Hiatus Real Housewives of Boston first season two years
Speaker 2: from now. Karen Reid is one of the leads.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's your prediction.
Speaker 2: Huh, that's my prediction.
Speaker 1: Okay, so hmm, well I disagree. But she definitely will
Speaker 1: be on Dancing with the Stars, one said, and she
Speaker 1: should be.
Speaker 3: She deserves that.
Speaker 1: She deserves to get that mirror Ball trophy and the
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars an episode they give her. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. Karen read to me. She is like
Speaker 1: a PhD professor and she goes back to teaching and
Speaker 1: people are like, is that the lady that maybe got
Speaker 1: drunk and killed her boyfriend and had a cost to
Speaker 1: me bag, Like, we know a lot about our teacher,
Speaker 1: like a about our teacher. And she was trying to
Speaker 1: hook up with that other dooey looking cop that.
Speaker 2: Was just to make him jealous. She was, she would not.
Speaker 3: We can't be too sure there. You know, we don't
Speaker 3: know about those those bossing cops.
Speaker 1: So that's right, that's right. She likes the cops. I
Speaker 1: do love all the accents on the stand, I really
Speaker 1: really do. It's just like every person is is better
Speaker 1: than the next. And at some point you have to
Speaker 1: even stop going like making fun of it, because you
Speaker 1: would then you wouldn't do anything else.
Speaker 3: Yep. And also you just your brain has to like adjust.
Speaker 3: You're like, just stop laughing and let them say the
Speaker 3: words because it's going to be over and over again.
Speaker 1: It's going to be over and over. But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: enjoying it as much as you can enjoy a murder trial.
Speaker 2: I'm from there, and it took me five full years
Speaker 2: to work on my speech to eliminate that accent out of.
Speaker 1: My Uh, I bet it does. Yeah, It's like it's
Speaker 1: like uh Spockles, It's like John Patrick's brother on ninety
Speaker 1: Day Fiance is like Simon down Spockles spot.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's never forget, all right, tell me what you're
Speaker 1: covering on your show, like what days and what you
Speaker 1: got over on Patreon and where everybody can find you.
Speaker 1: Give me the whole spiel.
Speaker 2: I'm ready, Okay, So we do just a single podcast.
Speaker 2: We cut our feed from another below deck podcast and
Speaker 2: put our below deck coverage on bad TV. So just
Speaker 2: seek out bad TV. We're covering below Deck. We're covering
Speaker 2: the valley and then on Patreon for five dollars, we're
Speaker 2: covering Summer House, which is just wrapping up. I think
Speaker 2: we're going to do a past season of Traders because
Speaker 2: we just had so much fun covering that. And we
Speaker 2: also do a show once a week where we just
Speaker 2: kind of riff on our lives and people seem to
Speaker 2: like that. We call it another podcast show, and that's
Speaker 2: at Patreon dot com slash another podcast network.
Speaker 1: And everything is five dollars. You don't have like a
Speaker 1: higher level, We have a higher tier. My favorite show
Speaker 1: we do is PMC. That's for ten dollars, and that's
Speaker 1: where it just tell you because it's one of the
Speaker 1: funnest things that I get to do. I start with
Speaker 1: a random celebrity of like I'll just be like, what
Speaker 1: happened to that the guy who dressed up in goonies
Speaker 1: as I forget the character's name, and I'll just go
Speaker 1: down a wormhole like we all get trapped into and
Speaker 1: see where it got me. Last episode, I started with
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon and I ended with the show Jigglos, which
Speaker 1: Richard Greco had produced, and I learned that one of
Speaker 1: the Jigglos on Showtime is guy named ash and he's
Speaker 1: one of the thirteen people that p did he hire amazing?
Speaker 1: What does so PMZ is like Patrick ms?
Speaker 2: Yah? It doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, instead of thirty three mile Zone is Patrick milesone?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: I am a subscriber to your Patreon. I support all
Speaker 1: my friends and I listen all the time, and every
Speaker 1: so often something tickles me so much I just have
Speaker 1: to send you, guys a note like I gotta tell
Speaker 1: you it's so funny. We appreciate you so funny, you guys.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Ruby Wrenn the best name in
Speaker 1: the world. Every time I talk to you, I say
Speaker 1: it and I will never get over it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will tell my mom so thank you.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe it's a real name. Do you have
Speaker 1: another sibling besides Dylan that we know of?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, not not that you know. Okay, because I was
Speaker 1: gonna that what would that one saying? I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine it would be amazing? Well, my all, my love
Speaker 1: to Dylan and new baby Lucy. I'm very excited for
Speaker 1: this new phase of Dylan and his personality. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see what it does to his negativity.
Speaker 2: Truer words were never spoken. Yes, hopefully it softens him,
Speaker 2: but not too much. We like that very brash, wicked
Speaker 2: tongue of his. Sometimes it brings brings the funny.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you something about Dylan, and he's
Speaker 1: not going to listen to this, but I'll tell you
Speaker 1: something about Dylan for he to me, he's the kind
Speaker 1: of person I would be like a little afraid of
Speaker 1: because I'd be afraid of. He would like make so
Speaker 1: much fun of me that I would cry.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Ruby's nodding and like, yes, her childhood is coming back
Speaker 1: to her because he can be a little mean, you know,
Speaker 1: but he has been so nice to me. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: loves He loves me for some reason, and I always
Speaker 1: think he's fucking with me, and then he's actually making
Speaker 1: fun of me when he says he likes me.
Speaker 2: I know, he is his feelings. We did a show
Speaker 2: with you know, mutual friend Mark Wahlberg. Had no idea
Speaker 2: that Mark essentially kind of assesses people's mental health and yeah,
Speaker 2: he does go with him and he started doing that
Speaker 2: with Dylan. Dylan was not a fan. And it is
Speaker 2: a hilarious podcast because I had no idea what was
Speaker 2: going on. I just wanted to talk about Mark's talk show. Yeah, shows,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. They start getting into it, and
Speaker 2: Dylan definitely doesn't like Mark, and Mark doesn't like Dylan probably.
Speaker 1: I know you guys are neighbors, right, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2: Like fifteen minutes away from here, but he does his
Speaker 2: show out of our studios.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what is that on the Patreon because I
Speaker 1: would love to hear that. I'd love to hear Mark
Speaker 1: analystic Dylan.
Speaker 2: I know for sure it's on Mark's show. You'd have
Speaker 2: to go back probably thirty shows, way before he started
Speaker 2: covering the Temptation Island cast. But yeah, that's wild. You'll
Speaker 2: see me being the referee, which is typically where I
Speaker 2: sit with these things, Like we'll have a guest on.
Speaker 2: He starts getting into it. I'm like, you realize we
Speaker 2: have to keep them on this this episode, right.
Speaker 1: God, Well, good luck to Dylan and little baby Lucy
Speaker 1: and his wife. I know it's a fun time. And
Speaker 1: congratulations to Ruby for being the aunt. Thank you, Barry
Speaker 1: and Patrick for being the referee.
Speaker 2: And p We're gonna have to have you come on
Speaker 2: and you can do whatever show you want. You're watching
Speaker 2: below deck, right, Nope, you're not.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's another detriment to me. I know, I know
Speaker 1: it's another detriment, but I'm not.
Speaker 2: Going to have you come over and recap the valley
Speaker 2: with us.
Speaker 1: Love it, love it all right, guys, I'll talk to
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Speaker 3: Bye bye bye m