WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:17.600 Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday. That means 2 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:20.600 it's Pop and Bravo, and I've got my friends here. 3 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:25.960 It's Pat and Ruby from Bad TV, missing Dylan who 4 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:30.640 just had a baby. Ruby, you're a You're an aunt. 5 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:31.559 I am. 6 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.439 It feels wonderful to be an aunt and wonderful to 7 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:35.719 be here. How are you guys? 8 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:38.119 Great? When are you gonna just get to see the 9 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:38.880 little baby. 10 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:41.960 I will be going home in about like a week 11 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:44.359 or two, so Pat, I will see you then and 12 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:47.119 I will get to meet little Lucy. 13 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:48.399 I have a niece sing Lucy too. 14 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:51.679 I hope you like her, and if you don't, don't 15 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:52.320 say anything. 16 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:56.119 I like her. She's in her twenties now, so yeah, great. 17 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:56.560 Yeah. 18 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:58.719 She was also fine as a child, so it's good. 19 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:00.799 It's it's gonna be fun having my co as a 20 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.799 father now. I think it may change the dynamic we'll see. 21 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.480 I think it may change his opinions on lots of things. 22 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:13.000 I hope it does, because Dylan can be a little harshly. 23 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:17.040 It will soften you, definitely. Fatherhood has softened me, so 24 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.480 hopefully has the same effect on him. 25 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.120 I'm so excited the pictures you guys posted of him 26 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:24.120 with a little I was like, oh my gosh, look 27 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:27.040 at Dylan being like a real dad. It's so cute. 28 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:32.159 He is apparently very CC has said his wife has 29 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.359 said that he's taking very naturally to it, which is 30 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:36.640 lovely because I, you know, we don't have a lot 31 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:38.920 of New Barton's in our family, so I'm very proud. 32 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:40.200 So I think he's doing really well. 33 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:43.480 Oh I'm so glad. Guys. Well, we are here to 34 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:46.480 chat about pop culture and Bravo and what I told 35 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:48.200 you guys. When you're like, let us know the pop 36 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:51.000 culture topics ahead of time, well, Pat said that. Ruby 37 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:55.879 said she didn't care the top The only pop culture 38 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.200 topic I have is the Karen re trial of which 39 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:00.719 is like literally on my phone right now on pause. 40 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:03.159 It's on pause because I just put it on and 41 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:05.000 then I just pause it and watch it throughout the day. 42 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:09.280 I usually finish up like eight o'clock at night. But yeah, 43 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:12.680 I know, Ruby, you're watching, like I am got thoughts. 44 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.639 This is something this like wait, I wake up in 45 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:17.199 the middle of the night to like go pee, and 46 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:19.840 I'm like, oh my god, I cannot believe this is happening. Again, 47 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:24.520 it's taken up so much of my headspace. I knew 48 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:28.039 that cops were cops, sure whatever, good and bad, just 49 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:32.039 like any other profession. Yeah, oh my lord, these people 50 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:36.479 are so unbelievably wild, and this the the trial, with 51 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.759 the reenactments, it feels like it's a an SNL spoof. 52 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:44.680 I think she's like a pretty unlikable person. I don't. 53 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:48.599 I don't think she she killed them, or let me 54 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:50.919 say this, if she did, there's so much reasonable about 55 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.599 I am not so that their job is done. What 56 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:54.080 do you think? 57 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.080 I agree? I think that I don't get her to 58 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.439 be as unlikable as everybody else does that just because 59 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.000 she has a sour puss face. You know, that's just her, 60 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:05.319 that's just her face. And so I think people think, oh, well, 61 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.719 she's a bitch because of that. And I think that 62 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:09.759 she was in a group of friends that are like 63 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:15.360 in their forties, just wildly drunk all the time. There's 64 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:19.120 drinking and driving and high fiving in a snowstorm in 65 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.879 a bar and just take your glass right out with you, 66 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:26.680 like wow. And it's just that part to me is 67 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:32.479 so crazy. And then the whole this cop, that cop, 68 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:34.879 this cop, this investigator. And then this past week we 69 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:36.199 had the girl get on the stand that was a 70 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:39.759 police officer who testified to the FBI that the guys 71 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:41.520 were in the sally Port with the car for a 72 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:47.199 weirdly long time. She's retracted her statement from the FBI 73 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:48.719 said it was a false memory. 74 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:53.560 Huh, it's like the Departed, it's in saane. And then 75 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:57.800 the even the first trial when they showed the people 76 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:00.520 saying that when they were getting questioned by her lawyers 77 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:03.240 and they were like, I can't recall, and they would 78 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:05.400 like play the audio of them having a phone call 79 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:07.560 and they were like, I don't know. We butt dialed 80 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:10.199 each other thirty three times, back and forth. They're like, oh, wild, 81 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:10.840 that's crazy. 82 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:14.360 Yeah, so many things much, so much reasonable. 83 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:17.240 Emp forgive me if I'm reading this wrong or ruby, 84 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.839 are you guys conceding that she still may have quite 85 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:24.000 possibly backed into him that night, But because there's so 86 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.720 much reasonable do that you think she'll get off. But 87 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.319 in your heart you believe that she may have done it. 88 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:33.839 No, in my heart, I don't know if she did it. 89 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.600 Something happened and I don't know if she's like you're 90 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.120 a dick and sped off, and he was standing there 91 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:41.199 on the driveway and like threw his glass at her 92 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.639 and Dulul and like fell over because they were so 93 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:48.759 shit faced and everybody was so shit faced. But I 94 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:52.480 also think very easily he could have gone in the house, 95 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:57.800 had a wicked argument with somebody and came out and 96 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.759 fell in the yard, or they dragged it into the yard. 97 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:03.120 Can I push back on that theory for a second, 98 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:06.920 because there's an old saying that says a secret can 99 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:09.879 only be kept if two people know the secret and 100 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:15.000 one of them's dead. For in Devil's Advocate. Here, your 101 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:17.439 audience may come at me. I've been a passive kind 102 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:20.040 of viewer. I've watched the documentaries, but I'm of course 103 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:23.040 not in the weeds like you guys are. But there 104 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:26.439 are multiple people at that house, multiple people with spouses 105 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.839 or girlfriends or boyfriends. It just feels like they would 106 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:33.680 have all had to stay on the same page for 107 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:36.680 all this time and not and not crack and all 108 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:40.160 be part of it. That's the stumbling block I have. 109 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:42.639 My opinion is there's a word for it, and I 110 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:46.199 should should have thought found it boy. But sometimes the 111 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.000 most probable thing that happened is what happened. Yeah, they 112 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.800 were clearly arguing that night she was texting that other 113 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:58.160 police officer or investigator or FBI guy, and so they're 114 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:02.759 not on good footing that everyone drunk. She may have 115 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:06.160 backed the car into him. He falls down, He is 116 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:09.240 not you know, he's not lucid, he's you know, he's injured. 117 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.480 And then he finds his way to that pile of 118 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:13.800 snow about what was it twenty feet away from the 119 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:18.040 road and uh. And that's that's how I see it happening. 120 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:19.639 And then when she goes home and sleeps, I don't 121 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:22.839 think she meant to kill him. Your audience is probably 122 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:24.399 pulling their hair out, like what no. 123 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:27.920 No, no, no, no no, I'm following. 124 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:31.120 But asking as a passive listener or a viewer of 125 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:34.959 this case, that is kind of what I see, Like, okay, 126 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:38.160 so the dirty cop thing, totally get it? Thin? What 127 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.800 is it? The thin blue line? I think by the way, 128 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:46.240 they have in fact created reasonable doubt. You have separate 129 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:52.639 incidents of people destroying communication devices i e. Phones or 130 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:56.639 whatever as you do, bizarre They have not explained away 131 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:01.800 the multiple butt dials in the middle of the night. Yeah, okay, 132 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.120 And I do think they explained away the Google search 133 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:08.560 in the morning with the screen being open. I've been 134 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:10.199 no help me with. 135 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:13.959 I don't think so who can explain it she was 136 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:17.240 I she doesn't recall nobody. There's no way to explain that. 137 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:19.759 You're referring to Awkham's razor. I think which is the 138 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:24.560 like you're the most likely is whatever. I think that 139 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:26.639 he went in that house, they got into a fight. 140 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:28.839 That dog tried to break the fight up, which is 141 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:31.000 why the dog has now disappeared, and why all the 142 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:34.399 pig stuff was there in the first case. This judge, boy, 143 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:36.800 oh boy, what a wild person to have on this case. 144 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:39.759 Also crazy that they keep the same one. I feel 145 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:43.240 like they should have to Yeah, I agree right at 146 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.680 the justice system they should change that. I pad I 147 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:49.160 think you're wrong. I in my heart of hearts, I 148 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:51.480 think it's like a sixty forty. I do not think 149 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:53.759 that she killed him. I think that they were all 150 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.120 so fucked up. I could see him going into that house. 151 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.759 I agree with you. The likelihood that like eight people 152 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.480 keep their mouths shut they inspire together is so so, 153 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:06.759 so so low. The only thing that would increase it 154 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:10.240 to be more than likely would be if half of 155 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:12.839 those were cops and the other half of them were 156 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.480 their wives, you know, yep, yeah, I. 157 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:17.199 Don't know, And I don't think it's that many people. 158 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.199 I think it's just a couple of people that knew 159 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:21.399 it and the rest are being told this other story 160 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:22.959 and they're like, that's what they said, that happened, that's 161 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.839 what happened. I don't think that everybody. I don't think 162 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:27.800 all like eight people know what happened. I think just 163 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.639 a couple of them do. I think that they're like, 164 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:32.879 this is what you're telling me would happen. I don't 165 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:35.480 want to know anything else. And I'm going with this thing. 166 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:38.960 But like the Jim McCabe, you know, lied to the FBI, 167 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:40.799 that we get this girl this week that lied to 168 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:43.320 the FBI, I'm like so many people just lying to 169 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.039 the FBI and the whole Like I know, I'm being subpoened. 170 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.759 In this case. I'm a police officer. So I'm going 171 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:50.960 to go to a military base, tear my phone into 172 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.279 three pieces and throw it into four different trash cans 173 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:55.879 because my plan was up. So it's time for me 174 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:58.519 to get a new phone. As you do, as you do, 175 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.000 like listen, I got I got one more month on 176 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:03.759 this plan. So I'm going to go to a military base, 177 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.039 tear my phone apart but into six dumpsters, and go 178 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:07.960 to Verizon and be like, hey, give me a new phone, 179 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:09.519 Like what good cop? 180 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:11.559 Bad cop? Here? I'm going to need a bad cop. 181 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:12.679 Okay, let's so that not. 182 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:16.279 Be explained away. A lot of people have things on 183 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.039 their phones that they don't want to be seen by outsiders, 184 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:24.200 and knowing that now there's an active investigation and someone's 185 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:25.799 going to be looking in your phone and it has 186 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:28.360 nothing to do with the case that they're looking into, 187 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:32.799 but rather searches on the internet. Perhaps some materials that 188 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:36.600 are won't paint you in a good light. Is it 189 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.159 possible that he destroyed his phone because there's nude pictures 190 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:43.840 of his girlfriend that he has in another city. I'm 191 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.919 just explaining away other possibilities why this person would do. 192 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:49.399 It one hundred percent. I mean, Blake Lively just did 193 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:51.279 this like this week because she was like, listen, I 194 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:54.200 don't want my family and missed up being looked into 195 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.879 and revealed. And if I go forward with this everything 196 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:01.559 is on the table. Can't risk it. I understand it. Also, though, No, 197 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:03.399 I just think it's too shady, and even if you 198 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:05.279 are trying to hide, like if it was as terrible 199 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:08.879 as like God forbid, like child pornography or something, he's 200 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:11.559 a cop like wipe bit or you get I don't know, 201 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:15.840 I just or like get a be a better, better 202 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.200 bad cop too, like get a burner or something. It's 203 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:18.480 just just. 204 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.759 Ye for both of you. So, Karen Reid, generally, in 205 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.919 cases like this, we will go back in their history, 206 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:29.759 their dating history. Have they gone back to Karen Reid's 207 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:35.080 dating history with past boyfriends whatever to see any kind 208 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:37.519 of behavior of aggression. 209 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:42.480 No, So that means there's not any Yeah, yeah, or 210 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:43.519 they would have brought that up. 211 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:44.840 Yeah. 212 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:47.759 I think, you know, as I watch it every day 213 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.759 and I'm just like wow, Like you know when they 214 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:52.840 brought up the DNA a couple of days ago, and 215 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.159 they were like, immediate, we're going to call for a 216 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:57.879 mistrial with prejudice because the DNA has not been intered 217 00:10:57.919 --> 00:10:59.480 into evidence and they just entered. 218 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.039 It in and you're referring to the dog DNA. 219 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:08.120 Yes, they brought in the dog DNA, but it hadn't 220 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.799 been turned into evidence, which means they're not allowed to 221 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:13.480 bring it up. But then the prosecution brought it up 222 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.440 across on the defense witness and they were like, immediate mistrial, 223 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:20.440 immediate mistrial, but mistrial with prejudice, which means it can't 224 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:23.799 be tried again because, like Emily D. Baker said, she goes, 225 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.519 they don't want a mistrial because then they got to 226 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:29.279 do it a fucking third time. Well, actually, no, you 227 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:32.240 don't just be like there's so much reasonable doubt here 228 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.639 that eh. But listen, my fear is is that she 229 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:41.200 is going to get convicted and then it's just going 230 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.279 to be on appeals for the next twenty years and 231 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.799 then she'll get out and then the you know, say, 232 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:47.480 the masters just will have to pay her like forty 233 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:51.879 million dollars. I mean, just like the guy died is terrible. 234 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:55.759 It was a drunken accident, no matter what. Did somebody 235 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:57.799 hit him because they were drunk. Did he get mad 236 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.360 and slip in the snow and throw his drink at 237 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:01.960 the car because he is drunk. Did she back her 238 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:04.639 car and also there's not any way that other witness 239 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:07.440 came on and said that the car went twenty four 240 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:09.919 miles per hour backwards for eighty seven feet. 241 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:11.519 Oh that's crazy. 242 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:14.200 Eighty seven feet would have literally hit the house you 243 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:17.720 behind them. Like, so they're like, okay, probably because the 244 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:20.120 time stamp was off, that was when they backed it 245 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.879 up to go in the truck. Oh no, no, no, no, 246 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:25.159 this was when this was you know, that night. And 247 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.159 they're like, oh, seems like it was the wrong day. 248 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:29.960 I mean, it's like it's crazy, it's crazy. There's so 249 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:31.039 reasonable doubt. 250 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.799 I have a I think there's plenty of reasonable doubt. 251 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:40.759 I mean, the second cops process evidence improperly, the second 252 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:45.200 there's again's like destroying devices. Yeah, like that, that's your 253 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:49.879 reasonable doubt. The question is does she get found not guilty. 254 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.720 Here's my theory on this. I think it's going to 255 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:55.200 be another hung jury. And I think this is where 256 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:57.279 the prosecution and defense are going to sit down in 257 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:59.720 a room and they're going to work something out. And 258 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:03.080 you know, and I feel bad for people that aren't 259 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:06.240 guilty that get pushed into these corners where look where 260 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:09.120 the government, where the state. We have endless resources to 261 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.159 retry you over and over until we get our final result. 262 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:14.320 And you know, as popular as she is, and I 263 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:17.279 understand she you know, her lawyers are working on contingency 264 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:21.960 or whatever. But not contingently, but there they at some 265 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.399 point can break you to the point where you'll go, 266 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:29.600 I'll do involuntary manslaughter and you know, six months in 267 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.000 jail and then she you know, and then she can 268 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.080 come out and have her life and then she'll always 269 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:38.000 have her you know, believers or whatnot. I think that 270 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:39.840 is the more likely outcome. 271 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:44.759 I hope that, Yeah, I really hope not, because I 272 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:48.200 do not think that's what she deserves. I do think, pathough, 273 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:51.440 that in a town that small, a jury of like 274 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.720 what twelve people, that it's not even that you're scared 275 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.919 necessarily that they're going to kill you or anything. But 276 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:59.720 it's like your kid doesn't get on Little League teams anymore. 277 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:00.240 You. 278 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:03.759 I think it's you know, it's that type of community 279 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.840 stuff that makes people scared, you know, to convict or 280 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:10.480 knocking victor, you know, And that's the reason I think 281 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:12.000 you might be right about the hung jury. But I 282 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:14.120 just hope, I don't know, just leave her alone. Like 283 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:15.559 what if we just put this to bed, say it 284 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:19.320 was a horrible accident, absolute tragedy. Stop drinking and driving, 285 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.679 you nutjobs, and let's just go to sleep and not 286 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:23.360 do this again. 287 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:25.519 Now, Ruby I'm going to push back against you on 288 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:27.240 that and feel free to be the judge. 289 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:27.600 MP. 290 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:32.399 Okay, right, the roles were reversed, and it was him 291 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:34.679 in that car and it was her out in the 292 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:39.480 snow bleeding, and we don't know everything is exactly the same. 293 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:42.480 She was the cop, he was just the boyfriend that 294 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:46.159 was an instructor in a college. Do we just say, hey, 295 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:51.679 let her off? I mean, that's not how the system works. 296 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:55.879 Yeah, I think it's the same if it's if it's 297 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:59.399 a man that hit a if he may bumped her 298 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:01.200 or didn't, or she went in the house and had 299 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.159 a fight with the lady and came out and the 300 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:06.559 fell in the snow, like, you still can't prove the 301 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:09.799 person driving the car hit the other person the end, 302 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:12.519 and they have all these people coming on going yeah, 303 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:15.080 it's not consistent with an accident. It's not consistent that 304 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:18.000 the car even had an accident. There's no collision noted 305 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:21.000 in the car. The wounds aren't consistent with being hit. 306 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:23.320 It's like, the whole point we're trying here is that 307 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:25.279 she hit him with her car and killed him. But 308 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.720 they can't even prove that he was killed by a car, right. 309 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:32.159 Now you know is absolutely here. Whether or not twelve 310 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:37.759 people agree on that is the I guess is the question. Yeah, 311 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.799 you know, a quick story. I don't even know why 312 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.440 I'm bringing this up, but I'm from Massachusetts and they 313 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:48.720 are pretty lenient in the justice system. I have a 314 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:50.840 kid I went to high school with that was a 315 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.200 good friend. We split apart because he did some questionable 316 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:57.039 stuff in high school, like I just didn't want to 317 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.759 be part of it anymore. Twenty years later, I get 318 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:01.919 a call from one of our mutual friends and he'd 319 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:07.399 stabbed stabbed his girlfriend to death in the shower, walked 320 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:09.960 out on the sidewalk. Police The police were coming because 321 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.000 neighbors heard it. He basically just said. 322 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.720 I killed her wool Oh my god. 323 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:17.200 So we're all kind of talking about it. He does 324 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:22.799 nine years for that brutal killing. He reaches out to 325 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.759 me on Facebook to be my friend and h block 326 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:29.159 block and he did it to multiple people because we 327 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:32.279 and we knew the girl too. And I'm sorry for 328 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:34.360 bringing this up. I was kind of just initially when 329 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:35.759 I had thought I might bring this up, it was 330 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.200 kind of to do with the justice system in Massachusetts 331 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:41.120 and them being very lenient which I would have connected 332 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:44.200 to even if she did kill the guy. It's I 333 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.000 think it's unlikely that she'd serve even more than two years. 334 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.360 But anyway, just. 335 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:52.679 And to be a little bit more morbid, that's absolutely horrible. Pat, 336 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.799 I'm going to breeze right over it. I don't think 337 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:57.960 that she will make it out of jail if she 338 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:00.639 goes to jail, because she's a quote unquote like cop killer, 339 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.320 you know, so I don't know that she comes out, 340 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:05.559 which is another reason why I'm like, whoa, if she 341 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:07.359 didn't do this, she really shouldn't be in there. 342 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:08.680 You know. Well, here's this. 343 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:10.279 It seems like the people in jail would like a 344 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:14.400 cop killer. Would the big guards not kill her? Do 345 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:17.160 guards like cops or do guards hate cops? 346 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.559 Are guards? I think they all get along. They all 347 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:23.640 just want their pension and retire at forty five. 348 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:26.319 Yeah, that's another people people keep thinking that Brian Higgins 349 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:28.559 will be the one. If anybody's going to flip in 350 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:30.759 this case, if they're all you know, colluding, then it 351 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.079 would be Brian Higgins because he's the he's closest to 352 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.880 getting his pension, and like former trooper Michael Proctor, you know, 353 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:40.480 let me let me tell you this. This is interesting. Okay. 354 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:44.519 So last week I had on Christine and Stacey. They 355 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:47.240 are from Keenan Lake and give you deja vu. They 356 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:51.000 were this child stars of Step by Step. Okay, and 357 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:57.079 Stacy is Stacy Keenan is a LA prosecutor. Now okay. 358 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.759 She I was asking her about this and she said, 359 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:06.039 as a prosecutor herself, if her lead investigator got kicked 360 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:11.519 off the police force for this case, she would never 361 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:14.160 try it again. She goes, the lead investigator is gone. 362 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:16.880 We don't have the lead investigator. And he didn't get 363 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:19.960 kicked off because the child porn or he beat his wife. 364 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.920 He got kicked off because his behavior on this case. 365 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.759 And referring to and I sure I assume your audience 366 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.519 knows this case backwards and forwards. That lead detective was 367 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:33.319 texting disgusting things to his co workers about are their 368 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:35.480 naked pictures of Karen Reid his high. 369 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:37.680 School friends, high school friend not as co workers, high 370 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.319 school friends. They showed the group text of like thirty people. 371 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:44.480 It's sort of like on the Valley, the thirty guys, 372 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:46.559 and they're all from high school and they've all got nicknames. 373 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:48.759 Look that's Chip, that's Whitey, that's so and so, and 374 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.359 they're all texting, and he's in this group text with 375 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:54.799 thirty high school friends, not cops, discussing the case. 376 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:59.079 Get this, My wife lived her boyfriend before me was 377 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:03.599 a cop. She told me the things that they would 378 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:06.599 share photos. So you go to a traffic accident, someone's dead, 379 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:08.720 they take a picture of it and they send it 380 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:14.720 coworkers another one. You know. I try and find a 381 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.119 balance because, as Ruby pointed out the top of the show, 382 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:21.599 every huge system has good and bad people. So I'm 383 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:23.400 not saying this to paint them in a bad light. 384 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:27.759 But her boyfriend told her that definitely, if they got 385 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:29.680 out of a car that they've been chasing and the 386 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:32.039 person had punched a cop or something, they would go 387 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:35.119 under a tree and beat the living s out of 388 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:37.960 that guy, you know, where the helicopters can't see. You 389 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.799 know that stuff happens. 390 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.079 Oh oh oh, I'm sure so. 391 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.799 And by the way, I'm so like insecure about your audience. Hey, 392 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:50.519 to me, look, do you want to hear three people 393 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.720 all agreeing on the same facts of a case, or 394 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.599 do you want at least an outside opinion of what 395 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:57.759 others may be thinking. I want to say this. We 396 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:01.240 all follow true crime and if you watch enough date lines, 397 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:05.400 the jurors these days, they really needed to be like 398 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:07.960 wrapped up in a box for them to make a decision, 399 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:11.160 either guilty or not guilty. They actually, you know, in 400 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.240 order to find Karen Read completely guilty, they would have 401 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:16.960