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Speaker 1: This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me

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covering Dungeon Crawler Carl Book three, The Dungeon Anarchists Cookbook,

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chapters thirty three through the epilogue, and a little bit

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of a little.

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Speaker 2: Extra bit as well. In these chapters.

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Speaker 1: I fucking knew that Grohl was gonna be the maestro.

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I fucking knew it, this asshole. This is so embarrassing

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for him. Yikes. Welcome to spoil Me. Welcome to the

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show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you very much to

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Michael for commissioning this episode.

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Speaker 2: All right, so guys.

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Speaker 1: This last section is so frigging packed that I am

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going to really have to keep it fucking moving, And honestly,

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the fight is the least interesting part of it. So

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I'm going to kind of jump through a lot of

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this quickly because the conversations later are where I think

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the juicy stuff is really living. So we pick up

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where we had left off with Carl getting yanked through

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the portal by his foot, and we hear what his

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plan had been going to be, which I much had

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put that together once I realized the way that he

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was trying to make things happen. I was like, oh,

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I see what he was tempting to do. But he

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winds up going through the portal, almost getting got by

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the mimic immediately, and then because everything like freezes in

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order for the AI to do its like announcement thing,

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this actually weirdly saves him because the mimic it hits.

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You know what I said, I was going to do

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this thing to in depth, and I absolutely am going

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to skip all of this detail.

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Speaker 2: I don't need this.

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Speaker 1: So girl stands up and it is here, Piglet, piglet,

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you can't get away from me this time.

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Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this.

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Speaker 1: It's fucking maestro. And of course Dona is coming to

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save him. This motherfucker really thought I'm going to tell

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her not to come. I'm going to tell her to

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save herself.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to tell you this, Carl.

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Speaker 1: That is not even close to how anybody is going

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to play this. You've grown important to people. It's time

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to let go of the idea that they are not

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going to put themselves on the line for you. He

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just doesn't fully understand. And it's like later I really appreciated,

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because like, is it there is this thing that can happen.

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Whenever you've got a main POV character who is heroic,

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who is somebody who has been like out there putting

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themselves on the line for everybody else, sometimes when they

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see folks doing the same for them, they feel the

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sense of responsibility for the choice those people are making

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in a way that's like almost patronizing, you know, And

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they'll feel like, well, I get to do that for them,

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but they don't get to do that for me, And

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there's almost like a resentment, you know, I can't be

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responsible for what happens to you. And I was so

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glad that that's not the conclusion he draws. Later on,

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he's thinking to himself how incredible it was that everybody

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threw in for him, and realizing that he needs other people.

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And I just was so grateful, because sometimes it he

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pushes a character in a different direction, and I find

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that really tedious and arrogant in a way that used

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to work for me and no longer really does. You know,

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I think that a lot of that is just as

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an American, we have pushed this idea of the strong

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individual who can make it with no help so far,

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and it has been so consistently repeatedly proven to be bullshit,

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that the romance around that idea has just dispersed, and

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I don't know that I can ever get it back.

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So I am here for a person who wants to

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be a lone wolf figuring out that's not how it works,

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that that really can't happen. So anyway, this whole thing

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with girl, he winds up taking a the uh drink

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that prevents him from taking damage, or it doesn't prevent

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him from taking damage. He takes it, but he heals

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almost instantly, but also means that he can't take any

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other potions for ten hours. And I'll tell you what, guys,

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I literally said out loud when he drank it, Oh shit,

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because no more potions for ten hours.

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Speaker 2: When you're in this.

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Speaker 1: Situation, it just felt like, I don't know, it was

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just I was very, very very concerned. As it turns out, though,

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like it was the right call because he gets smash

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many times.

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Speaker 2: And it's not even on purpose.

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Speaker 1: He has thrown so many smoke bombs that girl is

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stepping all over him and doesn't even realize it. And

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that part cracked me up a little bit, that like

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he's doing damage to Carl, but he's not even able

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to enjoy it and feel like smug and sedition about

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it because he's not seeing Carl. So, as I mentioned,

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everybody winds up showing up. Katya runs in and she

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has made herself look like Carl, and it's pretty convincing.

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It's unclear whether or not Girl realizes that it's a dupe,

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but I'm pretty sure he doesn't know. And Ellie is

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here hitting him with fucking icicles and shit. And then

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here's Lena Lee June, Donut Mango. I told you to

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stay away, you're welcome. Donut said, well, what the hell

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are we doing now? Then I saw the almost human

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sized figure on the ground, struggling and wrapped in chains.

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Speaker 2: Holy shit, what the hell? I said?

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Speaker 1: But I understood then, Donut, I had nothing to do

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with that. Lena shrugged, similar concept with what you did

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with that? Nol. I had to waste a few healing

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potions to keep him alive. Lee June looked ill, but

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he said nothing. It was the second mantor, but only

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his top torso and head. He'd been savagely ripped off.

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His main lower body and his two top sets of

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arms had also been lopped off. He's much easier to

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handle this way, Lena said, matter of factly, and now

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we can throw him into the portal instead of risking

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another accident. Honestly brilliant, but terrifying. This is an example

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of extreme practicality with a just ruthlessness that I just

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don't think I would be able to quite manage. I

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don't know, though I can weirdly kind of turn things

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off if I know I have to, so maybe I

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could manage it. It's just, you know, I don't know.

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But it fucking works, you know. So it's very difficult

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for me to be judging about this at all. All

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I can say is think, godly no now was here

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with her idea. I do not blame Lee June for

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looking ill one little bit though.

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Speaker 2: Yikes. Yikes.

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Speaker 1: So he punches this guy and null fucking gets or

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girl sorry, gets pulled into the other place. It is

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honestly hilarious. There's not even a moment of girl kind

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of realizing that he's being pulled away and yelling with frustration.

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It's that he is pulled away before he knows what's happening.

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So he's in the middle of this like huge attack

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and yeah, suddenly the only sound was the chugging of

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the Nightmare as it pulled up to stop. A few

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tracks over and we jump then to chapter thirty four. This,

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it says, with the death of the Mimic, even more

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ghoul generators had exploded after the Maestro hit the Abyss.

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a few station seventy two's. Though I suspected and hoped

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we could do better than that, my guess was the

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Maestro had bailed on his sponsorship after getting teleported away,

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thus creating less destruction in the pit than I hoped for,

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which does make sense. In the middle of the enormous,

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disgusting pile of dead mimic, a single object appeared on

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the map. The Neighborhood Bosses dropped the neighborhood Map. The

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borough Bosses dropped the field Guide. I already knew what

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this was going to be, thanks to both the cookbook

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and Mordecai. It was a little late to be useful now,

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but I figured I might as well grab it anyway.

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It was called the Map of the Stars, and it

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added boss locations and descriptions to a large area of

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the map. I zoomed out and saw nothing nearby except

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few mantors who were moving in the opposite direction. This

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is when he kind of taunts the what do you

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call him, the Maestro by looking up and being like, wow,

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that had to be really embarrassing. I bet even the

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mom would have done a better job too, bed she

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died instead of him, and Ellie says, sometimes.

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Speaker 2: I think you're cheating, Carl. How do you know all

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this stuff?

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Speaker 1: It's like you have one of those teachers editions with

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all the answers in the back he does. Donut says,

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his name is Mordecai. I'm very grateful to you, Donut

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for knowing what to say here. I mean, she doesn't

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realize how she's covering for him, so.

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Speaker 2: She may just be telling the truth. But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's possible that Donah has begun to understand that, like

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some of what Carl is managing to pull out of

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his ass here is a little bit too consistently on point.

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So then they get a system message a bounty has

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been claimed, and a bunch of people check in with

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them to make sure that they are okay, and then

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we jump over to Firebrandy and her and Tis Quick

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are going to stay on this train and die because

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they have realized the way that they're being played. She

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is saying to him, not anymore. They won't use me

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like this ever again. But I'm not convinced that doing

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this is going to keep her from being used again.

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I don't really know how this works, but I was

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assuming that, like you can just be regenerated, because you know,

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I don't know. I may be wrong about this. So

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then we get this moment.

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Speaker 2: You guys.

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Speaker 1: Zang climbed back into the cart and turned off the portal.

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Lee June and Lee Na stood off to the side,

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talking amongst themselves. I remained there, staring at the empty

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space where the portal once was fire. Brandy had just

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killed herself to save her from losing more children. 'tis

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Quick had killed himself because his daughter had been a lie.

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I thought of my own mother, who'd attempted to kill

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my father and then herself as a goddamn birthday present

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to me. She'd only half succeeded. I fucking thought that

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the way she was talking sounded like she was trying

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to kill his dad or herself.

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Speaker 2: It being both sucks.

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Speaker 1: And I'm really curious because he says she only managed

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she only got it half way. I'm assuming she only

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killed herself because the way he talked it was like

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his dad is still alive and out there. I mean, look,

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considering what his dad was like, I'm fine with killing him.

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I'll just say it. I don't think you need to

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kill yourself too, though, Girly, I'm sure that you think

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that's the easiest way out. But historically many women have

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killed their abusive husbands and not been caught. And I

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think you probably could have managed it if you had

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had a little thinesse. So I'm sort of judging you

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on method here, and I think that you could have

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done better, probably, But I don't know the ins and

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outs of this. It's just really awful and it's so wild.

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What a like, very brief throwaway line this is. Considering

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the gravity of it and how easy to miss it

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would be. I thought of everybody here with me. Now,

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they'd all jumped into certain death just to save me me.

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I couldn't have survived without them all my life. I'd

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felt alone, and now at the edge of the apocalypse,

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I finally realized how much I needed other people, and

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I just really liked it. Then Bautista. You bastards did it.

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We just felt the generator explode. We're going to move

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in toward the stairwells now. Thank you, thank you so much.

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Donut purred heavily in my ear.

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't have done that, Donut.

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Speaker 1: You risked yourselves and you risked the cart. I wasn't

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just going to abandon you.

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Speaker 2: Karl.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think I am? Miss Beatrice?

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Speaker 2: No, you most definitely are not.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time Donut has said anything negative

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about Miss Beatrice. That was the very first time she's

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ever taught shit. I just want it on record. She's like,

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clearly had her feelings about things, but she's never really

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said them. Even that moment where she's yelling at HECLA

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about killing Kaccia and Carl realizes it's because she was

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aware she was about to be traded. They don't ever

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talk about that. There's no moment of conversation addressing it.

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actually saying it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Michael says, girl did know he was getting pulled away.

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summon That's why he stopped chasing Karktia and knew to

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go after Carl. Oh, okay, I wasn't getting that at all.

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It doesn't I believe you. Saraphim says, there's a reason

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Heckla wanted access to Mordecai so badly. Definitely, Michael says, sadly,

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depressed and desperate people don't think logically most times. True,

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And Saraphim says, yeah, this was less don't want to

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go to jail, more extreme gilt over not doing it

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earlier and blaming herself for letting the abuse happen. And

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I definitely get that, But leaving him with no parents,

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it's just such a poor choice. Like, as Michael says,

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depressed desperate people don't think logically. But it's it just,

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you know, leaving the kid with nobody isn't better, lady, Like,

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it really isn't. It's the kind of thing that like,

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I mean, look, I can't say I've never been in

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this situation. It's just very difficult to understand the thought

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processes behind a lot of decisions when you aren't in

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that situation and you aren't experienced experiencing the kind of

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fear that somebody like his Dad would put in you.

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You know, sometimes people can really create this illusion that

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they like are able to see you every move you

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make one step ahead, and keep you from making any

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move at all by that illusion, you know. So then

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we have the moment where we run into Agatha level eight.

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She was human and hadn't yet chosen a class. I

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am so excited that we have run into her. I

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really do not understand what is happening here, and that's

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fine for the record. I don't want I don't want answers.

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If I'm being real with you guys, I don't I

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want this weird mystery. And I enjoy very much the

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fact that she is like defying all of the requirements

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of these floors. Somehow she still got the pink flamingo

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on her shopping cart, and Imani wants to follow her

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and talk to her, and Carl says, don't. We'll talk later,

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and we don't hear any more of that. But like

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she obviously, based on what was in her inventory before,

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had some weird knowledge of things. So I am extremely

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interested if he talks to IMMANI later to see how

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that conversation goes and what he tells her. This is

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when Loita chimes in, and I was like, fuck, Zev

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isn't here anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's Loita, and we have at the end of this.

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Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: These poor bastards are just as much victims as we are,

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not just the NPCs but the mobs too. That doesn't

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mean don't kill them. Hell, I realize something today. Killing

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them is actually the best thing we can do for them.

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But you know what, I also realized all of you,

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all twenty four of you have come before me, You've

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all failed in one thing. If we're really going to

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burn this place to the ground, we need to actually

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do it and not just talk about it. We need

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to start killing them, killing them too. I don't know

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for sure how to do it yet, but I'll come

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up with something. And this is very much giving hashtag

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free Luigi vibes, and I am here for it personally.

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Don't at me, Luigi did nothing wrong. So then we

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go into the epilogue. This is awful. So first she's

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really like, I want to use the word bossy, but

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that's not really adequate. BOSSI is just telling you what

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to do. There is a sort of uptight quality to

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her telling them what to do. A very rule following quality.

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That is, I cannot decide if this is coming from

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Lloyd to herself being someone who believes in what she's doing,

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or if it's coming from somebody who knows the consequences

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of not being this way because she saw what happened

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to Zev and has decided that she isn't going to

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fucking end up like Zev. So even though she doesn't

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agree with this, she's doing it because she has a

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sense of survival. I am not really saying that one

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of those is better than the other, but I do

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think it's important to know how much a person really

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believes in what they're doing, you know. I think that

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it opens up different potential angles to come at them

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with if you can tell how much they're buying into.

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Speaker 2: Whatever ideology they are repping for.

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Speaker 1: So she tells Uh Donut to put Mango away and

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is able to open up their inventory for twenty seconds,

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which I thought was interesting. I don't know if Zev

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had this ability. Put that book away to Carl patchya

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store the backpack, and they agree, but Carl says, fuck off,

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so I can have something to read while we Waitlita

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looked angry, but only for a moment she shrugged, suit yourself,

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but you need to keep it in the green room.

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It's what I always do, I said, where's Zev. Zev

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is taking some much needed time off. She's had a

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personal tragedy back home. She's been sent off to a

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temporary re education retreat so she may reflect upon her

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life and her personal philosophies.

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Speaker 2: But do not worry.

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Speaker 1: Such things never take long, especially on the weak minded.

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When she returns, she will remain as your social media manager,

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but I will be taking up primary duties as the

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team's pr agent. I absolutely hate all of this. None

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of what she has said could possibly be anything but awful.

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She's had a personal tragedy back home and been sent

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to a re education retreat, so they murdered her entire

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family and have sent her off to be brainwashed. That's

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what I'm hearing.

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Speaker 2: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: I do not want to see what Zev is like

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when she comes back. I don't want it. I don't

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want it. I would rather never see Zev again than

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see Zev after this. Frankly just saying, and I know,

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whoh we will we will see her again, Like that's

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the whole point.

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Speaker 2: But oh, I don't I don't want it.

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Speaker 1: I don't like this at all. We are putting tighter

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controls on the information crawlers are being fed through these

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interviews in an attempt to make the crawl more equitable

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toward those who aren't privileged enough to get a view

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of the world outside the dungeon, which is very much

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like somebody clocked they were getting info from Odette. Somebody knew,

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and maybe Carl wasn't the only one, you know, Like,

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whatever it is, they're locking it down. They aren't even

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letting them have snacks because they were getting illegal buffs,

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which like if you guys remember those buffs were like

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plus five two, Like I.

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Speaker 2: Don't even remember.

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Speaker 1: It was like nothing. So the whole thing, Yeah, we

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should have a say in who we work with. She's

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our pr person z. I've always made sure there were snacks,

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very professional. I don't like this one bit. So then

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we cut to the interview and Katya is doing a

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little bit better. She's just I think it's it's like

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her feeling like she can be herself in general a

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little bit more so. She's loosening up overall, and she

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still has.

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Speaker 2: A way to go.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's certainly better than last time. And

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there's of course the bit with like there's a new

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snack it turns out where it's Mango fucking the Maestro

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now and Don't really finds out that she's like in

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this one and wants to see it, and they won't

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let them play it on the air, which Odette is

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clearly irritated by. Let's see, I knew Mordecai would be pissed.

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He didn't want us dealing with gods or factions, and

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here we were, but we had so little, and goddamn

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if it wasn't fund to needle at the prick. I

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wish he'd had stayed dead, but I would settle for

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humiliating him over and over. Speaking of the death challenge, Carl,

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are you aware of the significance of what happened today?

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It's a pop up gambling event where viewers in systems

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where gambling is legal are given the option to bet

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on multiple sets of outcomes, and they had bet fifty

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to one against Carl, which Dona is very indignant about,

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and eventually Carl is telling himself, don't say it, don't

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say it. I hope it covered the amount you lost

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sponsoring hecla Odette did not skip a beat. She waggled

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her finger at me. Oh, we're not talking about that, buddy.

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That was my husband, not me. He's still sleeping in

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the skiff for that one. I don't run the finances

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for the crab Branch, but I do want to talk

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about that whole affair with Hecla. That really was something.

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And later on, when first of all Donut is like,

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how did you know that, he says crab Branch, which

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I remember him seeing that, but I didn't put that

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together myself at all, and he also she admits finally

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after they are off the air, that yes, it was indeed.

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Speaker 2: Her that was sponsoring Hecla.

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Speaker 1: And she says something about how like she hopes to

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one day be able to explain it, but clearly they're

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not going to be allowed to talk very much here.

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So her angle was money. It was always money and Mordecai,

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but the specifics were beyond me. Maybe she was helping

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us since she never gave them loop boxes, though I imagine

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that was an expensive way to do it. Maybe she

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was hedging her bets in case I died. I didn't

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have all the information, but I did and would always

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remember Odette's first piece of advice don't trust anybody until

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you know their motivation. And then she says, what about

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Eva her riding the front of the train, and almost

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Odette suddenly went mute. Hang on, guys were informing Odette's

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people to end this topic. I don't know what this is?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Because like, her riding the front of the train is

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just about the thing that they went through with hecla, right,

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this is something that they all know about, So why

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are we ending this top? Odette gets censored here and muted,

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and she's clearly irritated. But like the whole thing, it's

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just uh sarahim, she says. She's telling them how Eva

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escaped from him. Oh okay, I thought it was her

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riding the front of the train, like you know, they

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were all in the the conductor's cab, and I thought

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that's what they meant, like the front of the train.

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I see. So she's giving them info outside of what

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they would have seen or be aware of, and they.

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Speaker 2: Can't have that. I got it. I got it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about what we know regarding the next floor.

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Here's the preview video Born released the studio darkened, but

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the show was still on the air. We weren't visible

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to the audience while the video played on the screen.

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It was blurred and we couldn't see it. And this

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is when Odette flips out about having been sense. Get

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that goddamn slime covered fish stick in here, right fucking

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now back on in forty seconds delay, I'm gonna need

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at least sixty more to fry and batter this fucking darling.

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Speaker 2: Lloyd.

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Speaker 1: You're looking especially moist today. We did not agree on

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this level of censorship. It's absolutely ridiculous. You know the

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Syndicate's rules regarding a journalist's right to ask an answer

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during interviews, and you don't enter the studio unless you've

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been invited.

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Speaker 2: It's rude.

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Speaker 1: Well, sweet Odette, if you read the changes we amended

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to the contract when we added crawler kotshit to her,

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actually hang on a moment, She looked at us, waved once,

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and they once again went mute. I turned to say

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something to Donut, but I couldn't. No words came out.

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The fact that he can't even talk to Donut right

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there really is crossing a line to me.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing if you don't.

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Speaker 1: Want our people hearing stuff. I already don't like that,

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but I accept it. But not letting them just talk

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amongst themselves is very extra Like just let them chit

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chat christ sakes, you know, and they scream at each

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other and then it just ends, and Odette's like, we'll

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have a lunch date later, and then the show continues

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as if there was no interruption, and Odette says, like

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the audience didn't really like the last layout. It was

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a pretty split opinion, but a lot of people felt

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that it was over complicated. They won't complain about this

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floor being complicated, at least not the layout, though, I

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dare say the possibilities are almost endless. I'm going to

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miss all of you guys banning together like that. It

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makes for some delicious combinations like that epic battle with

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Grol with Prepotente and Miriam Dom losing out and killing

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a province boss twice thanks to you guys and then

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to Quan Chit. I don't know if I'm saying that right,

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And of course the hilarious but ultimately tragic fight between

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Lucy Mr Florin and Effecchi, not to mention the pop

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Off brothers butting heads with Team Chimney, I do not

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know if I'm saying that right. And then we have

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those rising Stars, the min Maxing Team, Flamingo, so many

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great stories, so many different ways to play, and I

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am wondering. She says like, I'm not allowed to tell

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you what is happening on the next floor, but I

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can tell you I'm glad you will have all those

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crafting tables. And then Loita comes on again. No giving

474
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,079
up secrets. I'm glad you have all those crafting tables.

475
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,119
Speaker 2: Is nothing, It's nothing.

476
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:55,759
Speaker 1: Enough already, but whatever, She's towing the line on purpose

477
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,599
to irritate Loita. At this point, I am here, like,

478
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:05,240
here's what I'm thinking, and I may be very wrong,

479
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,400
but I'm gonna just hazard this because you know, we're

480
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,400
all friends here, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

481
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be mad.

482
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: If the next floor were much more like a Minecraft

483
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,480
sort of thing, where you're like building shit from the

484
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:27,079
ground up and having to defend it.

485
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: It would be different.

486
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: You know, I've never played Minecraft for the record, but

487
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,160
I have watched my husband play it. It's not an

488
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,799
interesting game to watch people play, for the record, But

489
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,920
you know, uh, I I don't know.

490
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:39,599
Speaker 2: I don't know.

491
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:48,119
Speaker 1: So Odette ignores Llosa here she tells Donut that they

492
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,039
should keep Mango out, which Donut is like, I've been

493
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,880
fucking saying that. And this is when she admits that

494
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,279
it was her. Uh, you were right to call me out.

495
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:02,839
It plays well to your smoldering a personality, smart but dangerous.

496
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:10,360
And it's not like I warned them that Chris. Odette

497
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,159
went mute. That's it, Lloyd just said, sounding pissed. Everybody

498
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,000
to the green room. You're getting transferred back to the

499
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:20,199
dungeon in a few minutes. Chris, What about Chris, don't.

500
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,599
Speaker 2: I ask as we walked out.

501
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's obviously something going on with him

502
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:26,360
that's been clear for a while. We'll have to be

503
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:33,920
careful until we figure it out. And Chris is Brandon's brother, right.

504
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:40,119
I am extremely curious because the fact that he killed Frank.

505
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,480
I had sort of like taken that as a statement

506
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:52,039
of like affinity for them. But I'm sort of wondering if,

507
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:56,000
like even if it is that might be dangerous coming

508
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,920
from somebody who seems to be a little bit.

509
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,679
Speaker 2: Unbalanced at this point. I don't know.

510
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: Legend never returned to the green room. Instead, we got

511
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,960
a notification we were being transferred, and that was it.

512
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,239
There were four doors, one on each wall. These were

513
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,039
all one way portals. The valte implant worked, but the

514
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:21,679
information was limited. I couldn't pass any of the doorways,

515
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,599
and I couldn't take a screen shot. In the center

516
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,760
of the stark room was a pair of large round wheels,

517
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,199
similar to the Wheel of Fortune game from the casino.

518
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,679
Before you enter the fifth floor, you must choose your quadrant.

519
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,920
The result will be random. Your team leader will spin

520
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:44,079
the wheel. The four choices were land, Sea, air, and subterranean.

521
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,280
That's a bit worrying, got Sha mumbled, So Donut spins

522
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:56,519
and it lands on air, and then Doughnut says, maybe

523
00:35:56,519 --> 00:36:01,159
I can pick a class that flies, which you know understandably,

524
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,280
carl Ankacia are a little bit worried that being in

525
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,880
the air quadrant might not be great for them to

526
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,880
our left. The door against the wall disappeared, revealing a

527
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:19,679
new room with four more doors. Razor, Fox, Kite, City, Dirigible, Gnome, Wasteland, Fortress,

528
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,519
Night Gaunt, Precipice, and the Great Dirt Island of the

529
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:28,960
wind Sirens. Choose your opponent. Oh I hope you get

530
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,199
the fox one. It'll be fun to kill foxes. I

531
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,679
held my breath, hoping for anything but the night gaunt choice.

532
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:39,599
My cloak's description specifically warned that night gaunts would be

533
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,000
enraged by the sight of my cloak, and I didn't

534
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:45,320
want to have to get rid of it. Your opponents

535
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,880
will be the Dirigible Gnomes. In order to pass this level,

536
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,599
you must storm their castle in the sky, known as

537
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:56,760
the Wasteland Fortress. One of the four distant doors disappeared,

538
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:02,039
revealing a dune swept desert landscape. Sand started to cascade

539
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:05,079
into the room from the open door. A harsh breeze

540
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,400
swept in, pelting grains into my face, stinging and hot.

541
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,199
I was half expecting the door to open and reveal

542
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:11,800
nothing but air.

543
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,119
Speaker 2: At least we were on the ground.

544
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: It looks like a giant litter box out there, Donut said.

545
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,960
I must say, I'm very excited about this. Come on, team,

546
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:25,840
let's go kill some gnomes. And that is the end

547
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:33,480
of this main section. But I want to mention that

548
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:39,000
in the audiobook, you guys, I'm looking at the actual text,

549
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:43,039
and it's not here in the text at all. Oh,

550
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:48,079
I'm I am so bereft if you haven't read listened

551
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,280
to the audiobook. You guys, there is a joke that

552
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:55,719
comes at the end of the audio book and it

553
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:04,639
is the recording of Earth Beautiful, And I, personally I

554
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:10,679
found this very funny. So it's a it's a it's

555
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,599
a little it's a little inside joke from the author

556
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,639
to the audiobook narrator, and it's talking about how authors

557
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:27,440
are so underappreciated and how audiobook narrators are drowning and

558
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:35,760
pussy and are always like just basically, I really wish

559
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,719
that I could that I had the text in front

560
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:37,920
of me.

561
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 2: But it's supposed to be.

562
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: That Carl is reading this for Earth Beautiful and finally

563
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,239
gets fed up reading it and quits and walks out

564
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,320
of the studio, and we are listening to the recording

565
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,440
of it, that the little gray who runs Earth Beautiful

566
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,039
is playing back for his boss.

567
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,599
Speaker 2: But yeah, I really.

568
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: I thought that was a fun addition, And because I

569
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,679
often wonder what it's like the relationship between an author

570
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:19,880
and the audiobook narrator when they are so linked together.

571
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:26,480
Not every audio book has the same notoriety, you know

572
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:30,119
what I'm saying. And yeah, Michael is talking about Will

573
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:33,119
White and Cradle, and that's what it reminded me of

574
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:38,800
because there is a very strong relationship between Will White

575
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,440
and Travis Baldry, who did the narration for his audio books,

576
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:47,800
and thus there was like there's a whole thing now

577
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,320
with Cradle becoming an animated feature and Travis Baldry is

578
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,800
doing the voice.

579
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: For the main character there.

580
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: They have got a sort of partnership together, and I

581
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,840
often wonder about that because is like, I think part

582
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,519
of the reason that this happens is because an author

583
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:10,599
being self published, they once they get this the kind

584
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:16,880
of success that is happening here, the audiobook becomes like

585
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:23,599
a major factor in that, whereas in traditional publishing, a

586
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:28,440
lot of the time, if you are getting published officially,

587
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,480
the audiobook.

588
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:33,039
Speaker 2: Is incidental.

589
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: I won't say that it's not important, but it's not

590
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:41,159
as much of a marketing tool as it is when

591
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:47,559
you are writing and self publishing and you are using

592
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:53,760
the name of an audiobook narrator and their extremely produced performance.

593
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,320
Because this book is produced a lot more than many

594
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,159
audiobooks are, you know, we have effects on the voices

595
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,599
a lot of the time. There are in the bit

596
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,360
at the end with like Earth Beautiful, we have occasional

597
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:16,320
sound effects and stuff. There's just a lot more production involved.

598
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,119
Speaker 2: And I just I find.

599
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: It interesting as somebody who does podcasting, because the audio world,

600
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:32,679
the landscape has changed a lot in what people are consuming,

601
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,360
and audiobooks really feel like they're starting to overtake text

602
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,239
in certain spheres. And I would say especially with sort

603
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,320
of like action fantasy and sci fi like this, So

604
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,400
it makes sense approaching it where the audiobook is just

605
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,719
as important, if not more so, than the text. And

606
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,159
I maintain that like a lot of the jokes that

607
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,199
work in the audio book when I read that and

608
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,159
text are not as funny. It's the delivery that makes

609
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:07,440
them funny more than the actual you know, there's a

610
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,559
point and I was talking about this with my husband

611
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:14,599
because like a lot of the AI jokes are kind

612
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:18,039
of funny because they're not that funny, and it's very

613
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:23,119
like edge lordy in a way that I think normally

614
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:28,440
would just irritate me. But because it's the AI specifically,

615
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,599
I can attribute this douchey quality to the AI trolling

616
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:41,840
reddit for inspo and divorce that from the author himself.

617
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:46,360
So if this were handled in a different way, I

618
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,719
think I would have a lot my tolerance special would

619
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,159
be a lot lower. But it's a combo of like

620
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,840
the delivery and the effects they use on the AI

621
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,920
voice that separates it from everything in a way that

622
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:01,519
makes it work better to me.

623
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,079
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

624
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: Ooh?

625
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: Sorry, so many others? So, uh did you do?

626
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Saraphim says, Then you have Butcher and Marsters, where Butcher

627
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,239
has admitted he enjoys trying to come up with phrases

628
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,480
that Marsters has trouble saying without slipping into his normal accent. Yeah,

629
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:24,519
there's also like forgive me because JK Rolling sucks balls.

630
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,280
But I remember her.

631
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,039
Speaker 2: Uh.

632
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: There was an interview with Stephen Fry, who narrates the

633
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,559
audio books, and he said that he told her at

634
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:37,000
one point how difficult it was to say Harry pocketed it,

635
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,639
and she put it into every book thereafter, at least

636
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:46,920
twice after he complained about it to her. Michael says,

637
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,719
if he isn't doing Dross's voice too, it's an indictment

638
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,440
of the entire world. Regarding Cradle, I don't know. He

639
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:55,480
may be doing more than one voice. I only know

640
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,880
about Linden for sure, but that's it. Rob says there's

641
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,159
an interesting parallel to it with Baldery and Hayes, who

642
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:04,679
were both smallish fry before they hit their big success series.

643
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:07,280
The authors and the narrators seem to get along well too.

644
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,960
Business partners by luck, friends by destiny, question mark, this

645
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:14,199
is the question what happens if like, they do an

646
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,239
amazing job, but you hate their guts. You know, That's

647
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,920
always something that like, I worry about because I want

648
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,159
to like people, but I would rather you do a

649
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:28,159
good job mostly than that.

650
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: I like you.

651
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: If you do a good job, if you're competent, I

652
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,760
can at least respect that. But if I really like

653
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,960
you and you fucking suck, I feel like.

654
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: That, you know.

655
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,559
Speaker 1: Ah. Seraphim says, I know a few series where the

656
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:47,000
audiobook is actually the big thing, like Expeditionary Force.

657
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:48,679
Speaker 2: A lot of it comes down to who the narrator

658
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,039
is and how good they are at it.

659
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,199
Speaker 1: Michael says it reminds me of anime dubbing. Honestly, before

660
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,480
anime enjoyers would only watch subbed content because the importers

661
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,840
would hire people who weren't professional voice actors, says Shutters

662
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,519
in Four Kids, Yeah, you guys, I'm covering one piece,

663
00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:10,880
and I eventually I switched over to the dub because

664
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,360
I felt like a lot of the jokes didn't really

665
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,320
make sense in the sub. It wasn't until the dub

666
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,039
where they really make an effort to like translate the

667
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:23,360
joke itself rather than just translate the literal words. But

668
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,239
I did get to like see some of the four

669
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,480
Kids stuff. They the people commissioning sent me clips and

670
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:33,880
it was so awful. Oh my god, Michael says. Now

671
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,400
voice actors are much more professional, so the dubbed anime

672
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,440
are much better. Same with video game voice acting. Video

673
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,440
game voice acting I find so fascinating because like it's

674
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,440
a wild gamut and it depends, of course on like

675
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:54,159
who they get and the circumstances of it. Like what's

676
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:56,480
the name of the guy who played Chandler on Friends?

677
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,480
He apparently played a pretty major character in I think

678
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:04,119
Fallout four, And my husband always laughs about it because

679
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:05,440
it is so clear the dude.

680
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,119
Speaker 2: Is phoning it in and doesn't.

681
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,599
Speaker 1: Give a shit and is just like he kind of

682
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:16,719
like sucks the energy out of the script. And even

683
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,599
though it sort of sucks, my husband found it amusing.

684
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,559
So it works in its own way. Rob says, as

685
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:27,360
generative AI continues to swallow the world whole authentically, amateur

686
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,480
voiceovers are the rare performances. Saraphim says, So, since we

687
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:34,360
have some time, predictions for the next book, thoughts on character, etc.

688
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:37,079
That you'd like to see, And Michael says, here, you

689
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,320
stupid piece of shit author.

690
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: Emailing his book to the audiobook narrator. He hates.

691
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what I'm thinking, Like, I just, you know,

692
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:50,440
I it must be such a weird thing to work

693
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,559
with somebody who's great at their job, but you fucking

694
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:56,039
despise them. Like, I know that this must happen. So

695
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,400
much of the time people that I have hated it's

696
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,559
because they were bad at their job and they made

697
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:02,519
my job harder.

698
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: You know, It's really rare.

699
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: For me to hate somebody who is otherwise competent. But

700
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:16,559
I have to assume that that's out there. So okay, yeah,

701
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:20,760
I Before I talk about predictions, I just want to

702
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,760
back up and talk about this whole thing with Lota

703
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:33,280
because Zev the way that she was talking before she disappeared,

704
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,079
I got the sense that people were being like rounded up,

705
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:39,239
that there was shit going on, like that, so I

706
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,079
just didn't expect for Zev to disappear the way that

707
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:45,119
she did so quickly. I thought that might happen next book.

708
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:47,719
I think it's good that it happens this book to

709
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:48,840
sort of prep us.

710
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: That things are changing.

711
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: There is a very I think that if you're writing

712
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,119
a long series, and by long I mean anything that's

713
00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:04,480
sort of more than three books, a great method for

714
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:08,199
instilling some dread in your readers is having there be

715
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,960
a kind of rhythm to everything that your readers get

716
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:14,519
used to for the first few books and then fuck

717
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,960
it up. And I felt this very strongly. Sorry to

718
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,480
bring a Perry Potter again, but I think it's the

719
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:25,239
beginning of book five, where you know, for the first

720
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:33,719
four books, it's been the usual, like we're going to

721
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,519
the station and getting on the train. Granted, the second

722
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:41,320
book there's the flying Ford Angli and everything, but still

723
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,800
it's clear everything otherwise is going on as normal, even

724
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,880
though our friends are having trouble. And then Hagrid meets

725
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,280
them at the station and takes them all over. And

726
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,920
then in the fifth book, it's all funky. Hagrid's not

727
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:02,239
at the station, people are missing, nobody's talking about it

728
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,400
or telling them what's really going on. And you've got

729
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:10,480
Umbridge showing up and like meddling in shit and being

730
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:16,159
really creepy, And it's just a really nice twist of

731
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,639
like we've gotten used to things for going by a

732
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:26,239
certain rhythm, and once you disrupt that, it's very unnerving

733
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:33,440
and disorienting. And I think this is going to be

734
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:38,320
a really effective tool because like we have grown used

735
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,400
to them going on Odette's show, Odette sort of being

736
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,880
on their side, even though really she's on Odette's side,

737
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,960
it's still like we know that she is going to

738
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:50,719
give them some insider info. We know that they're going

739
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,840
to be able to play the audience a certain way.

740
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,360
We know that this and that, And now all of

741
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,480
a sudden, Zev who felt like she was on their

742
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:04,559
side real way despite being the enemy. Her and Donut

743
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:08,199
had a sort of like genuine friendship, it felt like.

744
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:14,360
And now we've got Loita who is not just representing

745
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,679
the enemy but is actually enforcing the bullshit that the enemy.

746
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 2: Is and.

747
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: All allegedly to make the game more fair, but obviously

748
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,760
there's a sense of everybody being more overpowered than they

749
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,400
should be at this point because of the AI, and

750
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:38,119
I can't help but interpret a lot of this as

751
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,159
like we're trying to nip this in the bud, you know,

752
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,559
we're trying to even at the playing field because Carl,

753
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,079
like what Ellie says about I swear sometimes I.

754
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 2: Think you're cheating.

755
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't some suspicions around

756
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,320
that Carl isn't going to like even though we can

757
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:04,920
see that Moredecai is giving them info, they've already had

758
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:10,119
a moment where Mordecai has been purposely baited so that

759
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:18,320
he is removed as a factor. And also Carl has

760
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,920
this book that's giving him info that he shouldn't otherwise have.

761
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,320
And I think it's only a matter of time until

762
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:30,280
somebody kind of clocks that. And I am not surprised

763
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,440
that they're starting to like really lock down any leaky

764
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:39,159
areas because they are beginning to feel like he is

765
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:43,960
surpassing other players in a way that doesn't fully make

766
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:55,280
sense or doesn't benefit the game overall. Sorry, Surferum says heck,

767
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,960
I just recently learned that Matt Mercer is the dub

768
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:02,320
voice of law. Damn, I don't know who that is

769
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,360
she said Loota was bloom, So yeah, she is all

770
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,280
in on the fishy fascism fishism if you will, Rob

771
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,320
says Mordecai. Disappearing and zeb going away really hits the

772
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,719
person with more knowledge disappears. Structural b a Llah Gandolf

773
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,000
the Gone and Dumbledore's death characters need to stand on

774
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:28,000
their own. In a Bill Dung's Roman, I do not

775
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:30,480
know what the fuck that means. Sorry about it, Rob

776
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,559
Michael says. Umbradge low key the most terrifying villain in

777
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:37,199
that series because she is ripped from real life. And

778
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,480
that's what I mean is like Umbradge doesn't actually believe

779
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:48,519
in that pure bloodshit, but she does believe in being

780
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:55,039
superior and in cruelty, so she'll hop on board whatever

781
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:56,199
gets her that power.

782
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to her, you know.

783
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: So that's that's the thing that I think is interesting,

784
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,760
is like, what is it that you can exploit about

785
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:10,960
a person regarding their motivation? And if we know that

786
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,199
Louita doesn't believe in this, but it's just about the

787
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,280
power for her, you could do something.

788
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: With that potentially.

789
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:24,079
Speaker 1: Sarahim says, Luyda gives me huge Umbrage vibes now that

790
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:27,760
I consider it, Michael says, Umbrage had an almost chipper

791
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,280
attitude if I recall, at least from the movie. I

792
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,320
don't remember if there was any difference in depiction from

793
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,559
the books. Luita isn't chipper, but seems to have the

794
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:41,039
same dedication. Sarahim says, not quite the same falsely sweet personality,

795
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:43,519
but the same overall vibe for the type of person

796
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,280
they are. It's not just Karl. We've heard this as

797
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,320
a lot of things going on. Matt Mercer is a

798
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,119
critical role guy. Oh okay, I've never listened to that.

799
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:56,400
Rob says, no worries. Buildings. Roman is the literary term

800
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,119
for coming of age lit, which also encompasses story. Is

801
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:04,199
that cover incompetent to competent growth arcs? I have never

802
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,000
heard that.

803
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,679
Speaker 2: Bill Dung's Roman? Where is that? Why is that the

804
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,039
literary term? What is that?

805
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,159
Speaker 1: It sounds like nonsense, It sounds like a typo.

806
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

807
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,159
Speaker 1: The thing the difference between Umbridge and Loita is that

808
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:27,719
Umbridge was meant to be the fascist coming in camouflaged

809
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,599
as an envoy, somebody who is meant to be a

810
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:36,800
sort of like it go between between the Ministry and

811
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:42,239
the school, and so she had to be a smiling face.

812
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,079
She had to be somebody who seemed very positive and upbeat.

813
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,000
Louta doesn't need to do that. You know, she's not

814
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:56,039
public facing, and so she can be as taciturn as

815
00:54:56,079 --> 00:55:02,960
she wants and it doesn't That's the advantage of anything

816
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,920
of her is that, because she's purely behind the scenes,

817
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,840
she can just be a straight up bitch and it's

818
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,320
not going to negatively affect her job, because that is

819
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:19,400
her job. Whereas Umbridge hid how vicious she was up

820
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,079
until the point where she really got power and was

821
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:25,960
able to actually like torment people at the Ministry, and

822
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,599
then she had totally shifted gears and let that side

823
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:32,079
of her out and was being more genuine and open

824
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:35,079
about who she really was. But she had to wait

825
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:38,039
and play the long game there. Lita doesn't have to

826
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:44,639
do that. The term comes from the German word bill

827
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,760
dung formation or education and Roman novel. The term was

828
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:55,519
coined by philologist Johann Carl Simon Morgenstern in his university

829
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:59,639
lectures and was later famously reprised by Wilhelm Dilthey, who

830
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:03,000
had demized it in eighteen seventy and popularized it in

831
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:06,960
nineteen oh five. Well, for the record, I reject all

832
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:10,159
of it. I hate it. We got to come up

833
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:15,320
with something else. Bill Dung's Roman is nonsense and sucks.

834
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,360
So everybody put your heads together, come up with something better,

835
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,000
because I can't. We can't be doing that.

836
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: It's bad.

837
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: Thumbs down. Saraphim says. Look, if you see a word

838
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,360
that looks like the result of two dictionaries being slammed together,

839
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,320
it's assume it's German. It's funny you say that, Saraphim,

840
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,519
because I straight up was like, is that German? In

841
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:36,599
my head? But I didn't say it out loud, and

842
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:38,480
it is, of course it is.

843
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 2: It was the dung that gave it away. You got

844
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:43,679
a dung in there.

845
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: I'm just figuring it's German. Rob says, progression fantasy is

846
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,559
what we usually call it nowadays on the low road. Yeah,

847
00:56:53,599 --> 00:57:00,760
I guess that's true. I you know, Okay, So I'm

848
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,039
realizing that despite the fact that I had extra time,

849
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:08,119
I was going a little bit faster because I thought

850
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,039
that the bit at the end of the audiobook was

851
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:11,440
going to be in the text, and that I would

852
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,239
be able to like quote that, so I had more

853
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:19,360
time than I anticipated. But talking about predictions for the

854
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,360
next book, first of all, I just want to say

855
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:29,519
I fucking hate desert Like locales, I hate them. So

856
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:33,039
seeing all of the sand, instantly, I was just like, Oh,

857
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:38,920
what a drag. I might be really wrong about this,

858
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:45,000
but it's one sort of dreary to look at. Two,

859
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,880
they're only standing by the doorway and they're already getting

860
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,039
stung by the sand in their face. Fucking hate it.

861
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,840
If anybody out there has not been in a place

862
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,360
where sand is being whipped up and flung at you,

863
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,000
I promise you have no idea how fucking painful it is.

864
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:06,519
It is wild how much it can hurt. It's stupid.

865
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:10,559
Speaker 2: I hate it. Three.

866
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: Oftentimes a major factor is like we have to find water,

867
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:17,639
we have to store water, we have to be able

868
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:23,639
to carry water, and that is often very tedious as well. Now,

869
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:26,519
the way that their inventories work, it will likely be

870
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,880
way less tedious in this than it.

871
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: Would be otherwise.

872
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: But this is something that I have run into with

873
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,880
other desert stories, and so I just wanted to mention it.

874
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:42,000
Three Also, the fact that, like your mission is that

875
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:46,440
you have to like storm somebody's fortress and take over.

876
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,239
It just sucks. These NPCs didn't ask for this, They

877
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:52,239
don't want to be here. This whole thing is just

878
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,280
you're being pitted against each other right from the start

879
00:58:55,360 --> 00:59:00,599
in a way that's like just gross and sad and

880
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:09,880
overall my prediction is that there is going to have

881
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,639
to be some real weird shit going on to make

882
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:15,039
up for the fact that we aren't going to be

883
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:18,440
around other crawlers. Because the point, according to what was

884
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,679
said in that announcement at the end of the book,

885
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,519
is like, you guys were all working together and that's

886
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:28,880
really great, but we can't have that, so we're splitting

887
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,199
you all up. You're only going to be with your

888
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:33,920
own party and you're pretty much never going to encounter

889
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,400
one another. The fact that I was loving so very

890
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:42,800
much how interacting with everybody else was working out for

891
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:48,320
our people and that being taken away is like a

892
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,719
huge bummer on that front. But also it makes me

893
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,159
curious because that is a major part of the book

894
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:59,440
and you have to replace that in interactive quality with

895
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:06,599
something else, Like what is that going to be? There's also,

896
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,840
like I will admit to you guys that the next

897
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:16,079
book I have already downloaded and it is I haven't

898
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:20,079
listened to it, obviously, but it's called The Gate of

899
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:25,239
the Faral Gods, so I'm assuming that that has to

900
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,840
be you know, like partially what we're replacing the interaction

901
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,599
with people with is that there are gods in this scenario.

902
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: But I don't even really know what.

903
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: That would look like. Is the Maestro going to appear again,

904
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:46,400
because I have to assume he's going to have it

905
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:53,559
out for Carl even more, I kind of like, I

906
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,519
love the fact that the Maestro just gets sort of

907
01:00:55,599 --> 01:01:01,239
cut off, but I wouldn't if we didn't see him

908
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:01,679
again for.

909
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:02,239
Speaker 2: A little while.

910
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: I feel like we've got to be dole that out carefully,

911
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:13,000
you know. Seraphim says, Oh, also, next book has easily

912
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,719
my favorite cover of the series so far. I am

913
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,480
going to go look at it just out of curiosity.

914
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:24,480
I clicked on it and it just immediately was like, actually,

915
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:26,480
I shouldn't look at the cover. What am I thinking?

916
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,519
Because that'll often have like spoilers on it, So yeah,

917
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:31,440
I won't look at it.

918
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: Never mind.

919
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,199
Speaker 1: Michael says, I think every audiobook has an ad at

920
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:35,480
the end.

921
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: Of it now.

922
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: If I recall, I actually don't remember there being an

923
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,039
AD at the end of this one, unless that little

924
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:51,199
thing was considered an AD, which maybe it was. But yeah,

925
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:56,039
so okay, I'm at time I'm going to wrap this up.

926
01:01:56,599 --> 01:01:59,159
But I feel like we've got a pretty good sense

927
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:06,400
of dread. I feel like I am really particularly compelled

928
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:11,519
by Doughnut beginning to admit that be ain't shit. I

929
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:14,840
would love there to be a real conversation between her

930
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:20,559
and Carl about that they never actually really talk about

931
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:25,000
b and I want that to happen finally. And I

932
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:29,360
also want a little bit more about what happened with

933
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,000
his mom trying to kill her husband and then herself,

934
01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:37,800
because you just dropped that in and then no details

935
01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:43,679
pretty rude, in my opinion, I want a lot more.

936
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,519
I guess what it comes down to about the backstory

937
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:51,440
of both of them. I'm more interested in that than

938
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,159
I am in the game right now. That is something

939
01:02:56,199 --> 01:03:01,079
that's like just very carefully dripped in, and I think

940
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:05,000
that was the right call. But I'm starting to feel

941
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,800
like you've got to give us something more now. You've

942
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,400
got to have there be a bit more of a

943
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:17,119
focus on it. Because evidently the audience knows quite a

944
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:20,679
lot about Carl based on the fact that like the

945
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:25,360
toolbox that was on offer in that you know, choose

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your reward thing the motorcycle, Like, there's stuff from his

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past that is obviously a known quantity to the audience

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that we don't know about. And I feel like the

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audience of the Krawl has an advantage over us there,

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so I want more of that.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'll say.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So I'm gonna wrap, but thank you guys

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again for hanging out, Thank you Michael for commissioning this.

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Looking forward to the next book very much, and until

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next time to the loom, motherfuckers. That was an Unspoiled

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Network podcast.