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Speaker 1: Hey, This is Fred Green of golf Smarter with our

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spring back into golf season with the late Tony Manzoni.

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This episode, originally number four hundred eight, published in October

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of twenty thirteen, was the fifth time that Tony blessed

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us with his wisdom and insights to the effectiveness of

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his single pivot swing. Now, at this point we hadn't

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spoken to Tony in about eighteen months, so we brought

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him back to pick his brain for two weeks in

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a row. His book, The Loss Fundamental is available on Amazon,

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and his DVD, which we converted to a private link online,

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is also available when you write to me. For the

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most comprehensive information ever collected about Tony Manzoni, please go

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to Golfsmarter dot com. If you'd like access to the video,

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please write to me directly golf Smarter podcast at gmail

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dot com or click on the Heyfred button at golfsmarter

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Speaker 2: Golf Smarter number four hundred eight published on October twenty nine,

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twenty thirteen. Take ownership of your swing, now repeat it

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with Tony Manzoni.

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Speaker 1: This is golf Smarter sharing tips and insights from golfers

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and golf professionals to help lower your score.

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Speaker 2: It's worked for your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to

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Golf Smarter, Tony.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Fred. It's great to be back.

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Speaker 2: It has been way too long and since you know's

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it feels to me like recent history, but it's really

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not anymore. But we just surpassed four hundred episodes on

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Golf Smarter, and I've been looking for those instructors who've

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been on the show numerous times over the last eight

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years and said, who can I bring back to help

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celebrate four hundred episodes? You know, having the four hundred

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episode was kind of like a hole in one, or

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maybe even like when the Red Sox won the World

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Series the first time. It's like you just an dissipating

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it so much and then it happens. You can go,

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that's it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you want a duck to drop dollars.

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Speaker 2: And guess as a grog, get it right exactly. But

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it's amazing to me the response that we've always had

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when when you come on the show, because people just

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love the loss fundamental, Well, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Glad to hear that and and I get kind of

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the same results. The great thing that happens is when

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I give a golf lesson to someone and then I

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get a note maybe a month or two later saying

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I'm playing so much better and blah blah blah, or

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someone buys my book and calls me or sends me

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no saying I'm gonna stay enjoyed. Now. You know, that's

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every professionals dream that that you made some sense and

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you help them, And that's what that's what we're all

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trying to do, is we're trying to take somebody and

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improve their game. I think the majority of guys like

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me are really in it for the passion of watching

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someone grow in the game and get a little better

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and maybe even want to play the game more than

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than the money that we make.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of yeah, yeah, I mean it's kind

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of like where we come from in the podcast world.

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It's all about engagement, right, engaging engaging with your people,

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whether your customers, your clients, your patients, your listeners, whatever,

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it's engaging with them and getting that feedback it's incredible

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that you've earned it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I like to think so. I've put a lot

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of years studying the game, and I made a lot

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of drastic changes in the way the way I present

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the information and hopefully it's getting better and more succinct. Uh.

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It's typical to talk too much when you're giving a

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golf lesson, but then you can't talk too little, so

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you can't have any dead spots like on the air

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when you're when you're broadcasting. Uh. And as I teach

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to my golf management students how to teach this game,

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it's really important that you create an atmosphere of learning

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and allow the person to be relaxed and not worry

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too much about hitting a bad job in front of you. Uh.

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Speaker 2: It feels like on a lesson, especially, most people go

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going on vacation, fix my swing right, And so there's

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this information dump that comes from an instructor, especially that

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once to change everything that you do. And you're saying,

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their action, because in the final analysis, you've got own

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your own swing. No matter what the concept you're trying

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to do, you've got to be able to repeat that.

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definitely the key. Now. I think by not shifting a

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lot of weight to the right and then having to

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shift it all the way back, that eliminates that big

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timing element that most people can't do, especially after you

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get passed for it becomes almost impossible. So those kind

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of things you need to know. You need to know

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where your body is relative to the ball. But if

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Speaker 2: And I can't tell you how much impact that little

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piece that you just tossed away had on me, not

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as we videotaped it, and the golf Smarter TV video

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that we put on called Ben Hogan's Secret revealed that

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is just short one. It's received more views of any

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video that we've ever done here. It's it's so incredible

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hips way and that the slide to the right. Once

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I started keeping my lower body quiet, I was making

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much better contact and my back ache, my back aches

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at the end of a round were gone.

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staying center to the ball. And if you look at

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film of Sneed or Hogan or Palmer or Nicholas or

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the guys that had long careers, they didn't move off

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the golf ball. They stayed on the ball, and they

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way they moved that kept them on the ball. And

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that's the key. You can't tell somebody don't move your

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head in the swing. That that's counterintuitive. What you want

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to say is, Okay, if that right side goes behind you,

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turning from the left side, you're going to you're gonna

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push back a little bit away from the ball, and

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and get a little open and hit the ball. That's

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in front of a camera video and watch it over

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and over and over and slow it down and keep

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looking at it, you'll start seeing little nuances of the

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things that that man did. And he for sure played

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some little thing. I'll be teaching someone and I'll say

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something and I'll think to myself, I got to keep

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that as a mental note, and as soon as I'm

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done with this lesson, I got to grab a ball

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in a club and try that, because it's it's like

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it's like jazz singers. You know, you're improvising constantly. You're

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not hitting that same note you're on the melody, but

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you're hitting a bunch of different notes. Teaching is kind

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of that way, because that light bulb goes on with

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a phrase, but that phrase could be totally different for

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each and every person, even though you mean the same thing.

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five lessons and I and I am repeating the same

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thing over and over again, and they'll say, oh, you've

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never told me that before, And I said to them, well,

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you have to really be cognizant of that. That you

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have to be really clear, and you have to even

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ask the question you understand what I mean. And not

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only do you understand what I mean, I want you

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to show me what I'm trying to get you to do.

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smarter and I greatly appreciate that. And you have been

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on so many times. We've been face to face, we've

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history of when you started playing golf and what your

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golf career was and where you are today.

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my era. I was about eleven years old, went through

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the caddy ranks, borrowed clubs from the pro that he discarded,

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good eye hand coordination, so I immediately hit the ball

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as I work on my shirt gain. But during that

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more theory or what someone felt they were doing. And

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doing that. It's just that's the sensation they have. So

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are they actually the motor that drives a swing? And

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as I continue my education, you know I was a

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qualifying to play the tour, and that we didn't have

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the right to qualifying systems that they have today. You

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just went on Monday and like they call us rabbits,

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number of occasions, and I got to play, but I

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always hit that wall. I was. I was quick out

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of the gate two three hundred, real quick, and then

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whip one out of bounds and then blocked the next

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one right because I'm trying not to ofk the next

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realized that I didn't have you know, and and not

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rightly so, because I felt like, well, I just don't

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have the talent for this. But the truth was I

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to people that have had the dream of being a player,

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to have the dream of playing, or somebody that just

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wants to play better and not have to practice so much.

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a gentleman came in my office and said, I've got

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a letter copy of a letter written by Ben Hogan

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about the golf swing, and also video that really wasn't authorized,

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like his swing video. After I read the letter, you know,

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it said something in there that was read flag to me.

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I'm on the instep of my left foot, and I thought, well,

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doesn't he mean right foot? And then I watched the

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video and it was exactly that. And I went out

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and I started hitting balls that way because in my

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mind I was thinking, well, am I going to reverse

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my wight shift? But I didn't. I got more on

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the ball and address, and I moved through the ball

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during the impact, and all of a sudden, my iron

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play got real crisp. I quit it in a thin

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and fat and I started. I started using some students

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of minus guinea pigs, trying to set them up more

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left sided, and so that they because you know, no

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matter how you take the club back, you've got to

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be on the left side of where you're hitting the

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golf ball. So I got them a little bit more

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on the left side, I say, sixty forty, and I

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did that, and this thing started evolving. I thought, Holy Macro,

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I got lightning in the jar. And a bunch of

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my students said, you've got to write a book. You've

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got to get this information out. And in the process

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of writing the book, stack until came out, which is

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it's similar and so out of but not in the

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action action because they they really finished in kind of

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a reverse sea and I don't believe in that. I

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think that creates a lot of strain on the on

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the body, and I think that's actually an unnatural way

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to finish. I think posted up as better. Uh, and

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my elderly players who never get off the right side

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found that they could get to the left side for

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the first time in many, many years. And that's the

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proof of the pudding for me.

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Speaker 2: Amazing. And then you went on and started coaching on

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the college level after you know how.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as I told you, I got involved. I got

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involved with Callowey Golf. It wasn't Callowey Golf and I

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was involved with it was called Hickory Stick and I

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made the cold call to Elee Calloway to get him

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involved with increased the golf club company. In the first call,

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he came down to look at him, walked away and said,

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I wish you could luck. And then about two weeks later,

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because we couldn't make payroll, I called him again and

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he said, it's funny that you call. I've been thinking

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about being involved with you, and he bought up partners

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out and then made myself, Richard Parrenti and Elie Calloway.

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We were all thirty three and third partners in a

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new company called Callawai Stick and then it became Calallei Golf,

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And of course the story is a beautiful story because

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it's a billion dollar company. And I think I made

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one of the great cool calls in golf, for sure.

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And then from that point after I left, Calloway cashed

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out in my stock and so forth, I wanted to

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do something in golf give back. College of the Den

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had a piece of property that I raised the money

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to build a golf facility on a driving range, classrooms

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and a little museum, and it's continued to evolve. I

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got lucky and got the golf team, and this is

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our twenty seventh year in a row. We won the

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conference championship. That's going to be a record somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven years in a row. You've won the conference championship.

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Speaker 3: Twenty seven years in early and we're going to try

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to win it this year, the twenty eighth. We won

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the state championship a number of times under my tutelage

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and we won. We won what we call the Southern

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California Regional Championship a number of times, and I've you know,

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I've been blessed. We're in a wonderful area. We were

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one of the few campuses that as a driving range

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in a golf academy on campus, so that helps. I'd

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like to think that a percentage of the success came

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from me, from my teaching. But it's been a win

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win for me. And as I tell everyone, this is

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the best thing I ever did in golf. And I

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mean I qualified for the Senior Masters, and the day

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I qualified, I think I probably called everyone I ever

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met to tell them that I qualified. And I've had

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some moments in golf, but nothing has fulfilled me like

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working with young people and teaching them golf and teaching

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them what how they're supposed to act when they win

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and lose, teaching them, you know, character and some of

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the things that I've seen from the greats how they acted.

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Arnold Palmer is a perfect example of a guy that

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conducts himself so well. Everyone loves Arnie. You can't help

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but love him. He's just a great man. And I

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try to pass those things on to the especially in

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today's world where you got kids with their pants down,

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you see their underwear, all that stuff like that, And

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I try to explain to them why that's to turn.

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I understand. When I was a kid, my folks hated

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the music I listened to, and I think that's with

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every generation. But I try to tell them, you know,

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how you have to prioritize and how you have to

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have a goal now and you have to start working

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towards that goal and these other things like music and style,

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those are okay, but that can't be unless you're a

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hip hop artist or you're a music artist or something.

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You can't go well looking like that because everyone's judged

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the first cliance, know so, So I found my niche.

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I really like mentoring and I love coaching, and I

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love to watch some of these kids hit that ball

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farther than I ever dreamed.

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Speaker 2: Wow. All right, and you've you've revealed a couple of

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things here, but I hope you don't mind me asking

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how old are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm a seventy seven as of July Tause when you.

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Speaker 2: Said from my era, no one says that unless you're

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from that era.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well there was there was big animals walking the land.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, that's because you're in the Palm Springs area

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and it's just everyone's away.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm very lucky. I I want to say, knock

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on wood, but it's hard to find wood nowadays, but

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knock on plastic. I am in really good shape and

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I work at it. I have to work at it.

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And being around young people helps me work at it

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because typically they're all pretty fit these days, and so

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we can of about nutrition and doing all the right things.

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And you know, I love to hear Gary Player talk

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about put Kouman on everything you eat. You know, he's

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a marvel that guy. And more people that would copy

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him and some of these other artists, they'd be better

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off for it.

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Speaker 2: And at seventy seven years old, I'm sure you know,

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like this is going to enhance credibility for you, Like crazy,

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what are you shooting these days?

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Speaker 3: I still shoot far?

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Speaker 2: And how far do you drive the ball.

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Speaker 3: To sixty five? Well? I pop it. I can get

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it off for about to ead. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but everybody gets really well downhill. I mean, when

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you're on a normal drive, is that really what you're

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doing on normal.

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Speaker 3: Di My normal drive is in the it's over to fifty,

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you know. With me, I'm in that to sixty range.

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Like I say, every now and then, I cook one

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and you know, you get a turnover a little bit

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and it'll get out there. I can get out there

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pretty good still. You know, I can still reach par

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fives and stuff. I used to hit it well over

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three hundred yards and I was just a skinny kid,

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but I was very flippy wristed, and you know, and

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that was with a percimon would. But I can still

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move it a little bit, you know. I mean my

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golf team, everybody hits the three hundred yards. They got

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arms three inches around and they hit a three hundred yards.

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It's just crazy.

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Speaker 2: So what kind of new things have you discovered with

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your recent crop of young studs over at College of

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the Desert.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I'm finding, they're not so reluctant

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to listen. They're more curious about the golf. So again,

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part of it is because they see the record we've compiled.

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And I'm not going to say that every player that

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plays for me plays off the left side, but a

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lot of them have changed to it. And when I

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explained it to them, they realize that mathematically it could

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makes sense. It's not very It's just that, look, if

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we got to get to the left side, and when

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we hit the golf ball, the farther we get to

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the right, the harder is to get to the left.

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There's a whole bunch of things happening on that downsling

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that you've got a time and we want to eliminate

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timing as much as we can in the golfling. And

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so if we can rotate on a axis instead of

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two but one, if we can trap the club against

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our body via the connection of our arms to our body,

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then as we rotate, the club face stays square through impact.

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And it's easy to do physically. So you know, for

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the older generation out there, they say, yeah, but that

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you've got to be young to do that. Know, it's

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the opposite. The older you are, you know, you're going

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to find it much more efficient. And the key here

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is that you can square the club to the ball easier,

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so you get a lot of square hits.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I've got clients, believe me, late in their eighties that

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are said, tell me, they're hitting the ball farther now

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than they did fifteen twenty years ago because for the

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first time in their life, they know they they're hitting

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the sweet spot. When you're throwing that club from the top,

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they're trying to roll your hands over. Good luck, Charlie,

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because you may hit on a year, or if you're

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practicing out eight hours a day, then maybe you can

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do that. But who practices over a half hour a day,

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you know, So it's a godsend. I was very lucky

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that someone walked in my office and gave me a

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letter in a video because it changed the way I teach,

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and consequently it's helped everyone I work with, whether they're

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I've got a girl that I worked with two years,

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player of the Year last year. Her name is June Jangs.

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She's on my video and she's winning everything and she's

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now going on to the regionals of the state. And

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I mean, you watch you hit a ball, you just

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go crazy. I mean, she's a fifteen year old girl

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that can hit it to sixty two seventy. And that's

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not an exaggeration because when we play, she keeps it

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up with me. When she busts, when she's got to

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ride by her buy me and I tell her don't

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do that anymore. But it's it's wonderful. And I just

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took on a seven year old Korean boy that I'm

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going to tell you. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm

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going to film. I'm going to take a film of

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the Indian golf ball and I'm going to send it

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to you, and it's going to shock you.

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Speaker 2: Seventies are seventeen seven years old, seven years old, seven

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years old and clocks.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, he hits an out there where

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you say that's not possible, and he puts like a madman.

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And I can't take a lot of credit for this.

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His dad came to me and I watched this little

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boy on the on the driving range, and it was

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like watching a little Ben Hogan. And his dad came.

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He said, which you take give my boy lessons? And

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I said, well, yeah, but you know you've done a

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really good job. He says he won't listen to me.

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He won't listen to me anymore, which is cracked up.

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So I took him on. And of course I don't

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charge kids. I'm you know, it's for me. I get

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such a reward by teaching him and watch him. And

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the first thing I found is when I talked to him.

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He was really shy all I. He was a top

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of his head. So I said, you know, you have

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to look at me and I talked to you. So

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at the end of the lesson, I said, sim, okay, Ivan,

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what have you learned today? He said, well, you told

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me I have to set up a little better at

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the ball and take it back a little bit more

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with the bigger should return. And I have to look

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at you when you talk to me. And you know,

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I just I just thought, oh, man, you know that's

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that's really cool that he was listening.

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Speaker 2: Wow, And can you share his name?

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Speaker 3: I don't even know the last name. His name is Ivan,

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and he's a he's a I said, Korean. He's a

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little Japanese. I excuse me, a little Chinese boy, okay.

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And the next time I talked to I'll tell you

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that the girl June Jang and she's Korean uh, and

478
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she's going to be you watch. You will see her

479
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on the tour and not only will she make the tour,

480
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she will win on the tour. She's that good.

481
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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, please send me video. I want to see

484
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this and we'll definitely put it up on the website

485
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and let people see it.

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Speaker 3: If you've got to see this, I got to just

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give you a quick little story. After a lesson of

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this last Tuesday, I brought him over back to the

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We were on the turf way back, and I brought

490
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him back to the front of the range where a

491
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lot of my golf team, where I said, okay, guys,

492
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I'm going to show you how's supposed hit a T ball.

493
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He teed that ball up and he hit it. I

494
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don't know how far he hit it, but it was

495
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crazy far for a kid that and he's a small seven,

496
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but he's got this lag right at the bottom that

497
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God gave him. Okay, and he busted it, and I said,

498
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I just want to show you that that wasn't luck.

499
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I pied another one up and get this a little farther.

500
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I mean, he's got you know, he just can't wait

501
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to show off. So it's it's a beautiful thing.

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's seven, of course old. He wanted to show

503
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people what he can do.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting because I've had many conversations

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with people and have asked this question of many instructors

507
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and you know, about getting young people started, because I

508
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you know, people go hi, how much my ten year

509
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old practice? Or how when should I? What should I?

510
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How do I get get interested in golf? And I

511
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always talk about just start at the putting green, the

512
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practice putting green. It's it's free, it's easy to figure out.

513
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It's a way to compete with the kid that lets

514
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them do it. Because hitting a golf ball is so

515
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difficult for anybody, and and you know, it's so easy

516
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to get discouraged by hitting a golf ball. But if putting,

517
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if you can fall in love with putting as a

518
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little kid and it just becomes a second nature to you,

519
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then everything else opens up for you.

520
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Speaker 3: That's right. And then when you search for an instruct instructor,

521
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find someone that really really enjoys teaching young people that

522
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that's that they have a passion for it, because they'll

523
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be patient and they won't overload them, and they won't

524
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it won't be don't do that and don't do this,

525
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It'll be it'll be taught positively. Most PGA professionals have

526
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some idea about this, but there's a lot of people

527
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that are not PGA professionals that are wonderful teachers. You've

528
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got to be real careful with that first one. And

529
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the reason I say this with June, her parents came

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to me and said, will you teach her daughter? And

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by the way, she hates golf. And I said, why

532
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,160
doesn't she hate golf? Well, she had a lesson and

533
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she just couldn't do it. She couldn't hold the club,

534
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,440
she just couldn't do it. So I sat her down

535
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and I said, I understand you really don't like golf.

536
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She says, no, it's too hard. I said, well, how

537
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about if I give you a lesson and then you

538
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make a determination if you want to continue, and she

539
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:32,799
said okay, and we hit it off. And I knew

540
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what to do with her because I've done this enough

541
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to know what to do. And now if you ask

542
00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:41,359
her the question, what do you think about golf, she says,

543
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I love golf. And so it's, you know, it's that

544
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initial moment when someone is helping them that they understand

545
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that this is such a great game and you can

546
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really do this, and you have to instill those feelings.

547
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And it can't be penal, especially in the SOTY. I

548
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:07,400
should never be penal number one. But you just can't.

549
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You can't make them worry about performance. Initially, it's like

550
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a dance. I'm teaching you a dance, and we all

551
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:16,319
look a little funnier, and we dance, and I always

552
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:19,000
do a little dance and they laugh and and we

553
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break the eye sole. I really caution people this. First

554
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of all, this is one of the greatest games a

555
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,680
young person could learn. For business, for pleasure, for a

556
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:33,480
social you meet quality people. So get your kids on

557
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:36,200
the golf course, get them playing this great game. But

558
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:39,480
make sure that, like going to a doctor, pickoff someone

559
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:42,920
that that that knows what they're doing. Don't be looking

560
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,640
for a bargain basement deal. If you're if you're in

561
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,920
palm desert, and the deal's real good because it doesn't

562
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,599
cost you anything.

563
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Speaker 2: Go to donuts.

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Speaker 3: You know a thousand kids are going. But no, I

565
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you know, I have a rule. I always have had

566
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that rule. I won't charge up until about six ten

567
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years old, and really sixteen, I can't. I just can't

568
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do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I, well, it's very generous with you.

570
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Speaker 3: Well, you know that's it's my time. I can do

571
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what I want with it. Really, that's how I feel

572
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about it. And I promise you I get as much

573
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out of as they do. You know. You know, as

574
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I tell my students, when you're generous, you get a

575
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:25,440
lot more than the person you're giving to. And that's

576
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what I can tell you. That should be written in stone.

577
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And I really believe that. And when I even comes

578
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as shows Up or June or whoever I'm teaching, and

579
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I can't wait, I'm chomping at the bit. And that's

580
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how you should be. I'm not special. That's the way

581
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you're supposed to be.

582
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Speaker 2: Well, if anybody ever is considering taking a lesson from

583
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,759
Tony or wanted to take him up on this offer

584
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:54,279
about you're under sixteen years old, do me the favor.

585
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If you're going to book time for your child with

586
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book an hour for yourself too. I mean, give the

587
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,119
guy something, throw a bone. You can both go out

588
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,720
and get a lesson. He's not going to charge you

589
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,799
for your kid, but let him.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Anyway that you should know is that Tony has a

592
00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:17,359
book and an accompanying DVD that the only place you

593
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,400
can find these are on Tony's website and at golfsmarter

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dot com.

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Speaker 1: It really is?

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Speaker 2: Is that still true?

597
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:29,759
Speaker 2: So the book is called The Loss Fundamental One Simple

600
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:33,440
Move Better Golf Forever. And then there's a complimentary DVD

601
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,359
called The Lost Fundamental. You can buy as a combo

602
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:39,759
or you can buy individually whatever you'd like, but please

603
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:41,880
go to golf Smarter dot com or go to the

604
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,000
golf Smarter app. You can purchase it right off of

605
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:46,400
the app, the free app that we now have for

606
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,640
both Apple and Android, and you can buy it from

607
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,039
there and Tony will send it to you directly. Order

608
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:53,519
comes to me, but I send it to Tony and

609
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:55,960
he sends it out. I don't fulfill it, but you

610
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,279
should really consider it's not a thick book. It's an

611
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:04,759
effective book and it's same with the DVD and check

612
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,480
out on our When you're in the app, go into

613
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,079
videos and find Ben Hogan's Secret Revealed to find the

614
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,599
video that Tony and I did together. Tony, I have

615
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,359
based on the things that we've already discussed. I had

616
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:20,640
so many more questions that I want to get into

617
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:24,039
details on swing mechanics, which I don't do a lot,

618
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,960
but I trust you there's some questions that I have

619
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and some things that you said, you know, like when

620
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,880
you talked about when you were under pressure you hooked

621
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,000
the ball that to me is absolutely fascinating. So can

622
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:37,839
we spend some more time doing a member's only episode?

623
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,920
Absolutely awesome. All right, Tony, we're going to do this

624
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:46,839
again for at least another thirty minutes, starting in just

625
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,000
a moment. All right, thank you very much. I really

626
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,079
I really enjoy talking to you, and I'm so glad

627
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:51,839
you're back on the show.