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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the final

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episode of the Penguin Reviews series. The series finale, I

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am the number one color and famboy dress. I forgot

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I was on VO. We've got to change it. But

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he's back there. But you know, I'll just say I'm

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the clown Prince of podcast. We're back in goth and

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so I'll go with that.

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Speaker 2: And I'm joined by I am the Matrix.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am mos Boy Taylor Field mas Boy.

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Speaker 1: So yes, as not by our nicknames, you get that.

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But we're here. It's been seven weeks leading up, but

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we're here to finally talk about the final episode of

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the Penguin series. As of right now, looks like it's

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that way. I've read a couple of interviews where Colin

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Farrell's been like, yeah, like if there's something great for

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season two, but he's also I read an interview where

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he's like, I'm completely fine if I just do the

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movies and nothing else, because he did say after this

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he was like over the makeup and he said stuff

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like in the Batman too. He's confirmed he had like

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five or six scenes he signed on for Batman two

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and three, so as right now, we're treating this as

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the series finale for this show, and to end on

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a good note. Who knows Trfield to end on a

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good note for you?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I am just shocked at how things went.

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There was probably only one one thing that was unfolding

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this episode. I thought, Okay, this is gonna go this way,

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But as for the rest of it, I was caught

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off guard. There were some hopes and dreams I had

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that were good and some hopes and dreams that were crushed.

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But all in all, it just seems it seems like

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a pretty satisfied fitting end for this character. And as

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much as you love him as a villain, you hate

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him at the same time. And they really do a

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good job in this episode by having both of that,

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just and back to back scenes too of just where

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you're rooting for him and then you're hating them, and

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it's just absolutely crazy. Hell, they just go so hard

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on this. And it was just such a silent episode,

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mostly just no background music really, I mean there was some,

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but obviously you're just hearing a lot of just the

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acting coming.

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Speaker 1: From the any silent episode episodes characters don't speak. It

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was wicked. You couldn't be.

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Speaker 3: But the way it ended, I I'm very very happy

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with the ending. I'm really really happy. And the ending

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just gave me a big chuckle, a big smile, and

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a grin on my face, like, oh fuck, this is

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this is wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Worried.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure she was tearing up. I I can't confirm,

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but yeah, but I'm pretty sure she was actually like

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tearing up a certain part.

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Speaker 2: So she's hiding around the corner.

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Speaker 1: You done?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, take it away, mister bats or. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think this was a pretty solid finale to have

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for the show. I don't think it's perfect by any means,

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and I definitely think that the this show could have

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used another episode for my own personal opinion of just

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like I think we could have spent some more time

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on just spreading out some things in another episode as

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well as like it was just such a great show,

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so like, I definitely would have taken more episodes if

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they were gonna give it to me. But yeah, I

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don't think this was a perfect rounding out of the story,

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so we'll definitely go into that when we get into that.

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But I think the stuff that's been like just a

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masterpiece throughout the whole series remain that way, like in

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this episode, Like, my issues aren't with a performance or

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anything like that.

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Speaker 2: It's it's mostly just I think how.

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Speaker 4: They decided to round it out.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I just got some grievances with that, and I don't know,

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maybe just talking it out with you guys, it'll smooth

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it over and I won't feel that way.

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Speaker 2: But we'll wait and see for that. But yeah, I

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agree Taylor with your.

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Speaker 4: Like more of a quieter finale, like like it seemed

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like it wasn't as like high octane orchestral like in

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the Sound Apartment, But I think it actually, I think

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it fit very well of just hitting in those like

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in your emotions and just just the gut punch moments.

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I think they hit more because of the like the

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lack of sound. There was some some big like mic

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drop type moments that happened in this episode that was

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pretty pretty fucking crazy honestly to like just just to

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see that on screen, especially because it's been like a

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big build up like what's going to be happening here

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in the finale and then for what we got, I.

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Speaker 2: I like, I still think the moment's hit, but I

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just still.

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Speaker 4: Think that it could have been a little bit better.

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And yeah, overall though it was it was, it was

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definitely good. And I I like the little you know,

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Easter Egg cameo, whatever the hell we're gonna be calling it,

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that happened. You know, that's a little little spoiler something

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if you haven't seen the episode yet, that's maybe some

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incentive to go in there. They don't get too excited,

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you know, it's it's not it's not Henry Cavill, Superman

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or anything.

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Speaker 3: But.

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Speaker 1: Imagine and we're going to show up Penguin. I need

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your help. And just like what the.

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Speaker 2: Fun first thing tomorrow morning, all the news outlets just go,

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oh Manman.

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Speaker 1: James kind of like I couldn't use him here, but

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I wanted to put him. I told that reason he

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had to use him. I said, if you want your trilogy,

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you have to use Henry Cavill's Superman. And then like

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Batman kills him like opening scene of part two, you know,

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just like not like easily easily, but all right there

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we go. So uh, yes, yeah, I think I'm pretty

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happy with this. I think I had some issues last

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week that bled over to this one. But like honestly,

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I think they were. I'm still thinking they're in like

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the nitpick category, but I think it it did its

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job for what I wanted, where we got a clear size,

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great kind of new origins. It is also it's origins

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story because we had lots of flashbacks last week and

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even this week, right, So I feel like, in a

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sense it is an origin story. It's setting us up

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great for a part two where ah, there's some stuff

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I want to say, but I don't even want to spoil,

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like even hint about that stuff. But I think they've

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put ows on a trajectory that I really like, something

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that really is kind of in my wheelhouse. And I

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think they did a great job. I think all the

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characters got satisfying ending. Some got very tragic endings. I

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think even stuff like Julian Rush, who have been busting

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his balls for the past five episodes, they finally were like, hey,

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here's his purpose. I was like, oh, great, okay, like that,

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like there's some other stuff with him, but at least

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there's stuff like that, stuff that retroactively, I go, what

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we do in here? And now we got some answers, right,

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So I think there's some stuff that's still a little easy.

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I think it's all. I think it's sometimes not because

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the show. I think it's probably because it's or sorry,

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it's not the writing. It's sometimes because it's the show

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budget and there's only so much they can do. So

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kind of like a couple episodes ago, when you know,

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Sal showed up with two guys that take over the

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Hope operation, I had a moment like this again where

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I'm like, this feels a very easy and it feels

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like we're kind of ending this confrontation in quite a

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just uh, and then this happened to happen. It's like, Okay,

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I guess that works out, but overall, still great show.

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I know we've said before, but the two may I

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keep forgetting her fucking name. It's Christina Christine, What the

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hell is her name? Because it's Christine Miliot. So her

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just phenomenal. Like again, also people outfiting her this this episode,

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she had great stuff going Wow, what was that moan

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on air? It's just like, holy shit, I'm gonna cal

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I'm at it. So it's like you are sick, You're bastard,

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you objectifying women's Christina. That dress isn't s amazing. No,

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both are good, but no, she what I don't care.

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Speaker 4: The whole show honestly, Like I feel like watching this episode,

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I'm like, I feel like I've done a misservice. I'm

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not bringing it up, more of like the costume design

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specifically for her.

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Speaker 1: She's just fantastic, like throughout the whole show. But yeah,

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what they have her in the dance club. My goodness,

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she's looking very very good. And to put that to side,

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because that's just like an asterisk, like, oh, that's a

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nice thing to see. Just again, another phenomenal performance. She's

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been this way the whole show. All these people have,

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but this was a top tier episode. There's one scene

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in the middle of this episode I slept, man, she

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had such a great job. And then yeah, Colin Farrell.

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Again I agree with Mike. I have to sit back

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and think about this. But other people have said this,

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like I agree the sentiment like when I think of Joker,

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I think of you, Fledgend. I think we've talked about

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this before. When I think I'm Penguin, I'm gonna think

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of Colin Farrell. And I think you could make a

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case that he is number two behind Ledger, like I

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have a saft spot in my heart for Michelle Feiffer,

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and I think she's a fantastic catwoman, so I'd have

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to think about that. But like I put him above

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even Dano, I'd put him above Hardy. I've put him

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in a Jack's Joker, like he is just this character.

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He's just a show. Of course, he got eight hours

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to do it, but still you gotta bring that performance

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and such a layered performance in Colin Farrell, Like I now,

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we won't be unfortunately talking about his penguin again for

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another six hundred and eighty nine days, gentlemen, that's in

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the battle too. But no, it's just he's done such

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a phenomenal job. And this was another episode that I imagine

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they're gonna try to go for some Emmys, and I

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feel like this was an episode that did everything where

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you see the shitty penguin, you see a little funny pinguin,

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but not too much this episode because of finale. You

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see the heartbreaking penguin, you see the friend penguin, and

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see the mob boss like you see everything and just

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the pathetic version. You see everything Colin Ferrell can do.

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like watching this, it's just it's just so impressive what

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he's been able to accomplish with this, and just a

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kudos to them. And yeah, so like overall when we

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get away from the series, I don't know I'm rating

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it at the end, but as far as uh, you

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know what we talk about, Like you know, DC, you

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had a couple of these with Peacemaker, MSU had one

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of these. Like I think this is the best version

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of a show that's connecting to a movie. It's its

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own thing but also doesn't feel like homework. I think

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they hit a home run on this show. So Matt

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Reeves and comp is definitely two for two. Very excited

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for the Batman two and whatever show gets announced. I

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hope we get more news on that. But I think

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they they accomplish what they're gonna do and they created

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a great kind of villain show. So anything else non

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Crew coming up, and then lots of big reviews coming up. Gladiator.

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Speaker 2: To moan too? I totally forgot that's coming out this month?

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Speaker 3: Maybe I hope I might be seeing that. I might

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be seeing it. Maybe we'll talk night as Gladiator?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it no? Double no? Wick, it's the same night

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as Gladiator. That's the one that's the same. I think

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Malans a week after. Yeah, but uh and then yeah,

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and then I think there'll be an os for ought

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to review at some point. I'm not not mistake it's

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gonna be like walk Off maybe maybe later on. But

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lots of good stuff happening on the Feet News cast,

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So we appreciate the support. Uh Where let's start, kirkha

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what what's your first uh morning year? Do you have

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multiple issues? Do you have one big issue? I'm gonna

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let you have the floor. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think my issue my issues maybe better way to

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phrase it is kind of around the stuff between Oz

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and his mom and Sofia. Like that scene, very very

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powerful scene really really intense acting, acting fantastic percent. You know,

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costume design amazing, Christine phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: At first, I thought the thing that was in like

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her cleavage was a mistake. I'm like, oh, like it's

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a scarf, and it's like, oh no, that's a choice.

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It's like a little boob.

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Speaker 2: I I haven't get him that before that.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get one of those in the summer when

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I take top, so I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Cover your boob.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And.

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Speaker 4: Like the scene between him and Vic, like like like

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that moment, it's the biggest, basically the biggest moments in

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this entire show, and they're very powerful. I was like

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basically tearing up with the Vic moment as well, but

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I still felt like it was just an easy send

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off for this character. I think it's because leading up

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to this moment, we were theorizing on like Vic's gonna

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fuck up. He's gonna do something that just makes the

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penguins snap, and then that's gonna make him kill him.

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You know, it's it's Vic's fault why his mom was captured,

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or maybe it was Vic's fault why the why the

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backup didn't get there in time? Like he fucked up

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some way, and then Penguin's gonna snap and then murder

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this fucking guy really viciously. Honestly, by the end, Like

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up until that moment, I'm like, Vic's gonna make it

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out of the show. Taylor was right, he fucking predicted it.

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I'm one hundred percent convinced Victor is gonna get out

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because is like so impressive him and it's the one

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guy that he can rely on, and I, you know what,

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Speaker 2: Just because Penguin's that fucked up and and but.

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Speaker 4: Like it just doesn't feel like consistent in that way.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Let let's just start with a Vic one and then I'll,

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you know, I'll talk about the other scene after. But yeah,

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for that one, I was just a little bit unstatist,

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even though I still was emotional. And it's mostly just

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because I was thinking about our whole adventure of this

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entire season and now I'm like, oh my god, this

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character is done, and just thinking about all the moments

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that him and Penguin.

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Speaker 2: Have had together.

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Speaker 4: But I still just felt like it wasn't as clean

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as maybe I was expecting it to be, but I

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don't know, how do you guys feel?

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I had to hashtag Tress told you, Taylor,

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you episode one, You're like, Victor's gonna go. You're gonna

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make it one. I just didn't think we'll talk about

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Sophia after. I still just always saw it from a

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practical level. They want to make it so you don't

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have to watch the show, right, because if Victor he's

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gonna like if Carlin Farrell says, hey, I got five

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to six scenes in The Batman and they're not doing

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Penguin season two, it's just like then one is Victory's

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just gonna be a bodyguard guy, like Penguin's not gonna

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be the main veil. So always saw a practical level

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that's gonna happen. And then to me, I always saw

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he was gonna die. But I asked you, Taylor a

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couple was it last week when they show the flashback

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of his I'm like, he killed his fucking brothers. Victor's

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not keeping it And see I bought into the I

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was fine with this. There's some stuff I have in

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the issue. In the moment, I think, yeah, that scene

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could have been drawn out or we could have had

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another episode. But still the Victor thing I believed, I

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think they did in a way so they could still

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kind of shock you that you think he was gonna

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make it out and it was just this nice little

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moment and then he took a vantage out to take

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him out. But I kind of understood where if you

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look at every single one of Penguin's issues this season

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was with his mom, right, his mom getting kidnapped, Sofia

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having his mom, Like if he didn't have that, the

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only time he did was at the beginning where they

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thought he killed Alberto, and he got out of that.

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Once that was gone, he was pretty scott free. He

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was making deals. But when Sophia got his mom and

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the involved, that's where he was kind of fucked, right,

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So I bought it on that level where because this

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back half the season was all I gotta get my mom,

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can get my mom, get my ma? This was like, Okay,

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my ma's like safe, but like I don't even know

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if anyone's gonna kidnap her now because she's like a vegetable,

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So it's like, what are you gonna Like I guess

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you could, right, but like still like it's not the same,

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and then Victor is the only like the only string there,

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and I guess it shows how much Oz actually ended

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up liking Victor, because I still thought, oh, we couldn't

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he still just be a lackey that you kind of like, Okay,

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he's with you now, but you kind of keep to

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the side and everything. But I guess it's just showing

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that Penguin did really take a liking to him that

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was not fake. So he has to take him out

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because he doesn't want people to be like, oh, he's

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really close with that one guy. Take him out. So

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I guess now he just wants to be full. He's

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becoming the full Penguin mob boss where he cares about

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no one. So I did buy the by the kill,

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and I was happy for myself. I'm not for Victor.

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He great guy and all, but you know, it's still

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he's still criminal.

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Speaker 2: Taylor, Emily's crying next to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other point before Tyr goes what I

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will get to the mum. But this finale to me,

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like I've always said, that's why with Dexter breaking bad,

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all the show should end with Okay, they gotta lose

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in the end, they gotta die now with this very

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different We'll get to the end shot later, but to me,

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the losing is okay, I'm in two or three, like

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it has to happen there. We're not gonna get another season.

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But this made me. Now when we talked about, hey,

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we've seen his origin and even then, I don't even

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think he's like a good guy, Like I can't even

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root for him to begin with, but now especially, it's like, Okay,

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Batman needs to take this piece of shit down, Like

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this guy's a fucking asshole, he's a criminal. You can't

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he's taking out Victor. Victor is this nice kid who

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is still a criminals? Still a nice kid? All right,

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I'm all down for Batman to fucking break his jar

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or break his other foot, Like I'm rooting for Bruce

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now to fuck this guy up, you know, and like

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put him in crime. Don't exactly just like battering to

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the feet everything like that, but yeah, that's what I mean.

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So he just yeah, but yeah, let's uh, you can

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give your last rights to a victor. You're pulling for

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him the whole season. You're crying.

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Speaker 3: No, I wasn't crying there, Madison was crying. I I

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really was surprised because I thought, like this the scene

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was going good and everything, but it hits that point

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where okay, it's going on long and it's like, ah shit,

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here it comes the context of it.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it took me by surprise. And and I mean

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Madison said like, oh, you know, it's because he said family.

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I'm like, you know, that does have some foundation to it,

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because Victor was just fessing like yeah, like you're like family, yeah, yeah.

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And when he said that Oz, when Oz took a

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deep like sigh and was like, fuck, why do you

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have to say that, Because that's where I don't want

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that And because you said that, now I got to

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eliminate that because I can't deal with any more this

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this like family losing scenarios and whatnot. It just hurts him.

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So I mean, if that conversation happened later on instead

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of just directly post mom becoming like post stroke, I

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think that it would have gone a different route. But

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I think it was just the just the situation and

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the timing, and Victor definitely played his hand wrong. I

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thought that there was a lot of foreshadowing here, and

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I thought we were going to get Oz killing Victor

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because Oz was afraid the Victor would do what everyone

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else did. When we got the whole sequence of all

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like the deputies turning on their leaders and killing them,

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I thought that Oz was thinking, you know what, Victor, like,

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you took initiative, you did all this and I can't

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have that, and it was thinking you could do that

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to me. I thought that would be kind of the

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way that he would go about it. But no, it's

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just the just the family and Oz is emotional, so

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there's that. But yeah, it's it's a shame. I was

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looking forward to seeing Victor pop up in Batman Part

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two and Batman.

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Speaker 1: Just like where's It's just beat beat the ship at him.

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Speaker 3: It's a face to face between Batman and Victor. But

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we're not getting that.

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Speaker 2: You imagine he makes it out of the show.

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Speaker 4: We're just like talking about this for like an hour

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plus about Victor and his inclusion of Batman too. What's

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gonna happen for six hundred days we're seeing Yeah, six

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hundred days later.

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Speaker 2: First, where is he?

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Speaker 1: I didn't used to kill, but how sing your bitch face?

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I'm just said I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Kill You're my first murders, so.

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Speaker 1: It's a free victor. I'll tell you.

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Speaker 3: We're all like Batman begins drops the guy from the roof,

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like such a likable character.

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Speaker 2: We're all like, oh, Vic, what's gonna up in here?

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And then just opening sequence of that man, you.

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Speaker 1: Gonna kill joker? No I need him, No, no, just

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I already told your OSSes, I'm sorry and just lets

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it go. But uh yeah, so yeah, r P to

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Vic and he has gone.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you guys bring up some good points.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like, for like, especially now that I'm

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just I don't know, hearing your thoughts and I'm ready

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for my counter argument here. I feel like because I

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had it so like theorized that Vic was gonna fuck

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something up. I thought that because okay, because Penguin isn't

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addressing any any of his fuck ups. And it's like, no,

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it's not on you, you know, like this is just

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the way the business goes. He just was really leading

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me in that direction, like okay, forgiveness, this makes sense.

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And then when they're sitting down on the bench and

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he's like talking about his mom and I'm like, man,

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this is crazy, Like there's there's no reason for him

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to kill him right here, like like.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 4: So he's he's ever gonna kill him and I'm hate

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it doesn't make any sense, or he's just gonna live on.

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But then he killed him, and I think I just

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I just had it like breed determine my mind and

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then and then.

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Speaker 2: It switched and I was just upset.

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Speaker 4: But definitely, I mean it makes sense for just going

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forward because like especially where Cobb is in like the

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whole Penguin get up at the end, like this is

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gonna be a completely different Oz going forward than where

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he was the beginning of the show. Yeah, I feel

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like that's just he just seems so much more like

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psychotic too, like because of the mom stuff, Like we

473
00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:30,920
haven't really talked about her yet, but like I just

474
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,720
feel like by the end of this it's like, Okay, no,

475
00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:36,240
he's like a psycho now, like just this really deranged

476
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,079
relationship that he's had with his mom. It didn't felt that,

477
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,400
it didn't feel that fucked up like throughout the whole show.

478
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,039
Maybe in the flashbacks, like you're you're seeing that a

479
00:21:44,079 --> 00:21:46,799
little bit more just because of what happens between Little

480
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,720
Laws and his brothers and the mom and everything like that.

481
00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:51,359
But I just think throughout the whole show it wasn't

482
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,359
really there and then at the end and maybe that

483
00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:57,759
just also adds the decision on why he has to kill.

484
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,680
Like he's only got room in his life for one

485
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,839
family member, right, he killed his brothers and no, it's

486
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,000
just his mom. Even though she's a vegetable. In his mind, he's.

487
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 2: He's still got her. He dances with her. It's fucking crazy.

488
00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, Bruce, fine in there, what

489
00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:18,160
the fuck are you doing? Oz? But like yeah, so

490
00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:19,240
that we'll we'll come back.

491
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,599
Speaker 2: Victor lived on and he's like seeing I was like this,

492
00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:23,279
he'd be like, dude, you got it, Like this is

493
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,599
not okay. That's maybe why would kill.

494
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: I was this is where I knew, like I always

495
00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:31,960
knew he's a goneor. But when he went, all was

496
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,200
because I guess. We'll get back to the mom. But

497
00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:36,839
they established to get her out of there, and they say, oh,

498
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,519
she had a stroke, so she's you know, she's semi cognitive,

499
00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:42,960
but she can't move. She you know, she's a vegetable

500
00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:45,799
that is not in a comto state, but can still

501
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,759
see things clearly, experience emotions because later on she's crying.

502
00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:51,880
I don't think for the reason. OZ thinks, but yeah,

503
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,240
she's in the penthouse that she always wanted looking over

504
00:22:54,319 --> 00:22:56,880
got them penguin, Yeah, Kirk and says all in his

505
00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:59,880
full get up there, and so it's everything you ever wanted.

506
00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,400
She cries again. I don't think it's because she's happy

507
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,359
that she got her. I think it's just that, you know,

508
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,480
a couple of days she just said like this, you're

509
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:09,039
the worst thing that ever happened to me. And now

510
00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:13,079
she's literally just stuck with Oz. But then Oz transitions

511
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,000
into the other room. We had to Eve back because

512
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,119
we did. I theorize. I was wondering if Eve and

513
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,759
i Ain even thought here. I thought Eve might bite

514
00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:23,839
it because she gave him, uh, Sophia the information. Now

515
00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:26,359
maybe Oz didn't think about that, and obviously Sophia never

516
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,920
revealed that. But I was like, oh, is he gonna

517
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,160
put two two together? And he's really closing the loose ends.

518
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,640
But no, it's something much worse, because he goes full

519
00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:36,720
Norman Bates where And I guess because we talked about

520
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,559
this right where this is what she does, even Sophia

521
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,480
does where Eve she's a prosted, but she's a prostued

522
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,880
is like an actress, so she takes on you know

523
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,880
that always happens sometimes in sex work, but this is

524
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,000
more specifically tons of wigs outfits. So I'm am, I

525
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,240
has it been because you know, when Sofia asked a code,

526
00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:57,039
you know, like, oh yeah, I know, like I know

527
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,000
what we are yet to you know, he knows what

528
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,400
I am. I know what he am. I to infer

529
00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:03,799
that the entire time they've been hooking up, she has

530
00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:06,119
always been pretending to be his mom or is this

531
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:06,759
a new thing?

532
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 2: I think I think it's always been the case.

533
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like never till this episode, it was

534
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,519
fucking crazy. It's like, how did not put two and

535
00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:18,279
two together? And that was fun when she's rubbing a

536
00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:20,799
show like I'm protty and my boy like oh and

537
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,279
she's like call me up, say it, proud of me,

538
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,400
and like it was like, oh boy, So now he's

539
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,359
having this woman. If people are just listening and see

540
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,039
the show he's having, I guess we all agree it's

541
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:34,440
been the whole time. Uh PROSEU pretends to be his

542
00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:37,680
mom and I don't even know if they're I don't

543
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,960
even know if they're fucking. Well, they've kissed a couple

544
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,200
of times, so they're fucking. So it's a whole many

545
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,839
levels of of messed up. Oh and that's what I

546
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,799
was gonna say, but forgo, That's why I thought Victor

547
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,640
was dead because when they tell Oz about his mom's

548
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,799
state and the way he was crying and Victor's like

549
00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:58,079
patting his back, I'm like, Penguin, wouldn't let anybody see this,

550
00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:00,559
Like there's no fucking way, Like he's breaking down, and

551
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,559
great scene by Colin Ferrell. Colin Farrell's knocking that out

552
00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:05,319
of the park, just saying like, say you're proud of

553
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:06,960
me before you go, just say like I've done this

554
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,039
all for you and everything. But like when he was

555
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:10,920
panting on the back, like, no, there's no way he's

556
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,640
he just saw Penguin. He was looking like Madison over

557
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,160
there crying. There's no way, there's no way. Uh, Victor

558
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:22,480
is being kept there. But yeah, Eve is she's doing

559
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,160
some quite a bit of stuff for money. You know.

560
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 4: I kind of interesting that she was there as well,

561
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:32,839
because it seemed like she was completely done with Pang.

562
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,359
Uh yeah, with with Cobb, Like after Sofia kind of

563
00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:40,319
gives her the revelation that like Penguin knew this whole

564
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,079
time that that Falcone was just like murdering these women.

565
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,759
And like obviously there was her friends and people that

566
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:49,799
are really close to her, and in that moment, like

567
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,480
she even like she sells them out right, like go

568
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:53,720
check out Crown Point. And that's where Sophia ends up

569
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,759
fighting her mom. Like that's that's like a big, big

570
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,720
betrayal there. And I thought that the next time that

571
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,480
we saw Eve it would be like addressing that, but

572
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:04,920
it's just this right, like this is the next time.

573
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,319
Speaker 2: We see here.

574
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna wait until Penguin too. I think that

575
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:11,880
will come up at some point of like maybe that's

576
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:15,799
the downfall of Penguin, Like she is like a big something.

577
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: That you think we're gonna get a season two.

578
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,799
Speaker 2: What did I say Penguin to It's gonna be his

579
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:22,400
movie now?

580
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said that's so comfidently, I was like, wack, okay,

581
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,559
you know I could see it. But Penguin too, but yeah, baman, yeah,

582
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:32,839
Batman focks her up too. It's just like he's no,

583
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,039
He's like, could you be my mom? Am my? Dad,

584
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,000
could you be him? Both?

585
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: He brings Oz's mom home to keeps her vegetable.

586
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: Look after Alfred please, just like I hate my bloody life,

587
00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:51,680
I should have left.

588
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know.

589
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 4: I like, maybe she's just not addressed again in Batman Too,

590
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,200
And to me, I I I'm gonna think that's kind

591
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,440
of a negative honestly on just that character in this show.

592
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: Like if we just have those.

593
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 4: Moments of her being close to Cobb, she breaks up

594
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:12,559
with him, and like early on the show, it doesn't

595
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:14,880
seem like it's like he owns her or anything like,

596
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,000
it seems like it's a mutual, respectful type relationship.

597
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:19,839
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm kind of naive and thinking that.

598
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 4: But at the end here I think that she's there

599
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,880
because Penguin is the guy that's kind of running the

600
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,240
show now, like she's probably there as well. Yeah she's

601
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,960
like a sex worker, but it's like she doesn't really

602
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,680
have a choice now she's kinda she's Cobb's mom now

603
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:34,759
tell the end.

604
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,759
Speaker 1: So that's the worst thing.

605
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,519
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like, what what do you guys think

606
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,839
about Eve? And like, am I alone and just thinking

607
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,680
that there's some inconsistencies there of just I don't know,

608
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,960
like what what her character ended up being.

609
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: You take it too Eve?

610
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,079
Speaker 3: Sorry? Was she the is that the name of the stripper?

611
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: She's just a prost white sage Playface's daughter, sister, sister keeping.

612
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,519
Speaker 3: I honestly thought she was done out of the season

613
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:10,359
when Sophia had that conversation with her. I didn't think

614
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,960
she's gonna come back, because I lie, I totally forgot

615
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,920
that she was in there, because I thought I thought

616
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,319
that there would be a little bit more of a

617
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:20,319
having her back, a little bit more of a scene

618
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,759
with Oz kind of being pissed off at her because

619
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,160
they did not leave on good terms and she just

620
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,319
abandoned him and he was very pissed off about it.

621
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:29,960
So yeah, I would have thought it would have been

622
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,839
a little bit different, But I mean it fits fits

623
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,759
with how fucked up he is, and so I can

624
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:38,200
definitely take that and just added into it being a

625
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,000
very solid, good ending.

626
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:46,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm torn on her because she because yeah,

627
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,640
she gave call. It's tough because yeah, I maybe need

628
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,680
a bit more because she she gave Oz up. But

629
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,480
at the same time, if he's now running Gotham and

630
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:58,000
he shows back up on our doorstep because at the end,

631
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,640
I can buy that he would go back because to me,

632
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:02,440
that's not like the thing like Victor, Like, of course

633
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,240
she pretends to be his mom, and I think he

634
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,279
likes that fetish and she will do that for him.

635
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:09,079
But I also think if he has a sacrifice her,

636
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,799
that's no problem at all for cob right, Like, I

637
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,440
think he'll do it, But I still think that he

638
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,720
after all of it, would show up on her doorstep,

639
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,680
and if she's if that happens, I don't think she's

640
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,880
in any position to say no. Now, there could be

641
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,519
a scene, but I think they wanted to have that

642
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,880
that surprise, not only that she's back, that she's playing

643
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:28,119
his mom, because I think it would be you might

644
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,599
kill some of that momentum he shows back and there's

645
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:31,920
a scene. So I kind of understand why in the

646
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,559
finale they wanted to wrap it up a bit more

647
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,720
so I guess I can kind of head canon that,

648
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,720
you know, just what else she gonna she's gonna say

649
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,079
no to, now the King bin of Gotham, you know,

650
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,079
like that's not gonna go well for her and stuff,

651
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,559
Like all of a sudden, I imagine she's gonna put

652
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,640
two and two together that I'm sure he's just gonna

653
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,480
say Sophia kill Victor or something like that. But if

654
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,759
Sophia gave all that stuff about call before knowing okay,

655
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:58,200
yeah he knew about the hangman stuff, it did. I

656
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,200
think it's just a position. So maybe the I could

657
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,680
have showed her being a bit more scared and she

658
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,680
did have that moment with Sophia where she wanted to

659
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:07,079
go for you know, like, I'm supporting you in this

660
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,319
a little bit. But yeah, so I'm not sure, I'm

661
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:13,599
I'm I don't know where I am on it, per se.

662
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,799
I don't think it's the cleanest, but it's also something

663
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:17,599
that doesn't bug me too much. I can buy her

664
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,400
being back in that scenario, so that that's where I am.

665
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,839
Speaker 4: So I think I would have liked a little bit

666
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,960
more too, if it like showed like her hugging him

667
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,599
at the end and then just like a camera shot

668
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,599
of her like like with a tear or something like

669
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,759
this is just her like she's like in a prison now,

670
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,119
like right like she's like as yeah, exactly, more or less,

671
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:36,640
it would match, you know, the mom's crying, she's dressed

672
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,000
up like the mom she's crying like the mom just

673
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:42,039
to really, I don't know, add some like this character's

674
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:46,119
fucked up, this guy's evil, but ask her to.

675
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: Once his mom's pass, asked her to stay in the

676
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:51,400
bed the whole time. That's her. You gonna need this, Ben,

677
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,200
but yeah, so yeah, we'll see you. But I guess

678
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,640
we should talk about it now. But we did get

679
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,960
something because I guess. I guess, I guess because they

680
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,359
could have done the tier thing, but that's not what

681
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,279
they want us to focus on, right in this last shot,

682
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:09,680
because I did think they did a fun way to

683
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,680
set up, you know, talking about Gotham for a little

684
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,440
bit there, and then she said, well, there's nothing to

685
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:16,839
stop you now and like pan out of his place,

686
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,759
like I love when it's like, okay, you see, like

687
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,240
there's the right side of the screen is okay, it's

688
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,119
a sky, you know. I'm like, they gotta do it right.

689
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,759
And then the bat single hits so again that's scaling

690
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,160
the building going up to the balcony with Victor's body.

691
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:35,240
I was gonna kill him, but yeah, and then she

692
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:39,680
says nothing can stop me now boom back signal, And

693
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:41,799
I think that kind of the way we kind of

694
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:43,759
got that cold open in the Batman too, where he

695
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:47,680
took on those guys and the subway and everything like that.

696
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:49,839
Maybe that won't be Penguin, but I feel like that

697
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:53,279
might be the thing where because I kind of need

698
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,319
Batman to go after Penguin first, I can buy that.

699
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,400
We even talked about this last week where there's some

700
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,319
stuff I'm like, okay, where's out happened during the day,

701
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:04,920
this all that happened kind of underground very quickly. I

702
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,799
think Matt Reeves did give us the time that he

703
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,960
says it's three to four weeks, so a couple of

704
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,759
weeks ago when we were talking about like the time difference,

705
00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:13,960
so it's been like a like a month in total,

706
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,960
don't know when and jump, but even this stuff right

707
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,400
like with the explosion that happened during the day and

708
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,880
then that same night, Sophia's back in jail and Penguin's

709
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,680
the kingpin, right, So that's where it's like, Okay, I

710
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,960
can kind of my hope would be all the shit

711
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,400
goes down and now this is the time that pass

712
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:28,599
and has to suit up. So yeah, my first stop

713
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,960
to me would be that he's there. But at the

714
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,720
same time, what they're sitting up for Penguin with him

715
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:35,039
being more dressed nicely, and he's gonna go try and

716
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:36,319
get and go with the mayor and everything like that,

717
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,400
which I feel like, I don't know how that's gonna go.

718
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:41,759
Like I feel like they made I can't remember her name,

719
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,759
Belle something, but the new mayor like a smarter woman,

720
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:47,839
So I'm gonna hope that she's just buying oz of

721
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,039
shit here or maybe I thought what we're gonna I

722
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:51,880
thought we're gonna get it a parted situation. I thought

723
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,680
he was gonna agree to be a an informant but

724
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,519
like not be touched when he was talking to that

725
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:59,119
other guy and the That's what I thought was gonna happen.

726
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,079
They didn't really they alluded to they didn't really say

727
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,599
that though, so I'm not sure that's gonna happen. But yeah,

728
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,200
we have the bat signal, so yeah, like I said,

729
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,359
that was exciting, but uh kirkuhn, do you agree? You

730
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,559
think that has to be this first stop? And the

731
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:12,720
Batman two is him at least taking out an operation

732
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,119
or something that OZ is moved up now you know?

733
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,119
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I think it would be a good like.

734
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: Like add on to this show to like add some

735
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,559
significance to it as well, Like it feels like a

736
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,559
natural like point five in between you know, Batman and

737
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,599
Batman two, because yeah, definitely not going to be the

738
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,200
main threat.

739
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,039
Speaker 2: But I also hope it's not just like the opening.

740
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: Like the cold opening is him just beating the ship

741
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:39,160
at a cop and that's just the end of it,

742
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,680
you know, like like I'm expecting like the first act

743
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:43,480
to kind of be like.

744
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 5: That worse it's like the same fucking scenes from the

745
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,079
beat the shit out of him in the interrogation chamber.

746
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I I think that would be really

747
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:03,240
nice to to just kind of feel like there's I

748
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:06,440
don't know, maybe Batman wasn't just asleep the whole time

749
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,960
of this of these events, right, because there has been

750
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:09,880
a whole lot of crime.

751
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,519
Speaker 2: And stuff have been going on.

752
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 4: We've we've talked about it on these reviews, especially with

753
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,800
like Sophia blowing up that whole block, Like it seems like, Okay,

754
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:20,840
Batman has to address some things here, and I just

755
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,079
wanted to feel like it is like a natural progression,

756
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,400
like I like going into Batman too. I want to

757
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,559
I want to be watching Batman and then Penguin and

758
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:29,599
then like jump into it and be.

759
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: Like okay, nice. Like I feel like it just added

760
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,960
on to kind of everything I just wanted.

761
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: So, yeah, day there we happy. Were you surprised? See

762
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,159
the bat signal?

763
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: I was thinking, Okay, they're going to do something here,

764
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,199
and the bat signal is perfect. It is perfect send off,

765
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,719
and I thought, yeah, when we're panning out and he said, yeah,

766
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,960
there's or she said he said there's no one left

767
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:53,639
to stop you. Or did he say that, I can't remember.

768
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: There's nothing nothing in your way.

769
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,599
Speaker 2: Now he says that.

770
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: Make love me on top of mom.

771
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:13,519
Speaker 2: I hate this, but I think the tears that's what

772
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,320
I had.

773
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: To pretend to be his mom, and then we had

774
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:19,800
sex on top with them. It's just the worst night

775
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:26,800
of my fucking life. My toes whin's Batman back, She's

776
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:33,800
the one that she's out there cranking the machine. Yeah.

777
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,119
Speaker 3: I just think that his timing now is is definitely

778
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,079
late and delayed. I mean, there's a lot of ship

779
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,239
that happened that he could have been there a bit sooner,

780
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:41,599
but it.

781
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: Was too many innocent people at least, right, so that

782
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,480
could have been another reason. He's like, these are all

783
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:46,840
ship people fuck each other over.

784
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:49,119
Speaker 3: True, but the Crown Point blew up and a lot

785
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:51,119
of people died. So that's that's what you're factor for me,

786
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,599
that's when he steps in. So when it's a major events,

787
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:54,920
then it's a big deal.

788
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,599
Speaker 4: He's gonna be investigating, fucking what's what's buddy's name that

789
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,239
Vic killed?

790
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: That's gonna be the opening bat.

791
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:12,119
Speaker 1: Squid, what's up? Maybe it's Beyonce?

792
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think uh, I think him him being an

793
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,800
action Now, they'll probably just heal him out from taking

794
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,840
that shotgun blast to the chest after his adrenaline kick

795
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,960
and the back was partially electrocuted.

796
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: Because I just watched it again last night. Don't forget

797
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:27,719
that memory cuts, that wires he's part of.

798
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of ship that he's he's recoupering from.

799
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,360
But I'm just happy that we got the signal. It

800
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,000
was great. It's a good follow up. And now just

801
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:39,320
to know that his character needs to play Cob differently

802
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,480
because Gob is now counselman. I'm assuming he's a politician.

803
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:43,519
He's got a seat up there.

804
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,079
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, would you assume that's a huge.

805
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 3: Because he made He made that point with the other

806
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,760
camera's name, but the other counselman that he wanted to

807
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,280
be a part of this and in this, and so

808
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,719
the counselman is like, if you want to be in here,

809
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,800
they're going to screen you it subpoena you, like, you

810
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,280
need to really play your cards right and you get clean.

811
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,159
He's like, I can get clean. And so to me,

812
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,800
that's him playing both sides of the lawn.

813
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: Yea, it is, but that's I didn't understand me. It's like, well,

814
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,239
they're gonna subpen you. It's like, well, usually feel like

815
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,280
it's a pen you know it. Actually'm not gonna say

816
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,400
anything because look at what just fucking happened last week.

817
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:16,480
I take it back. Convicted felons, convicted conpictied elans can

818
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:20,199
become mayors and uh senators and presidents all the time.

819
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,920
So you know, yeah, fuck it, you know, yeah, Penguin

820
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,320
could just be on the fucking board now. So I

821
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,079
think that's what they're going for. I would imagine. I

822
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,440
hope that he's not just like Bruce shows up to

823
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:30,559
an event and Penguin's there, But that would be a

824
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:33,920
way to get Penguin in the movie. For extra scenes

825
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,840
as well too, right, because I think that's what everyone's

826
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,840
It's it's so funny the juxposition we go because sometimes

827
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,239
we go, oh, there's not enough Batman in the movie,

828
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,159
and then people go, well the Batman, you know, he

829
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,679
was a Bruce Waynea, so we need that, Like you

830
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,960
gotta find that perfect mill ground, and that would be

831
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
a good place to have Bruce Wayne pop up with

832
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,760
some magala or some sort of fundraising event. And you

833
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,000
see Penguin there in his fucking top hat and he's like,

834
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,679
you know, squeezing baby's cheeks and he's doing all that

835
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,400
stuff and everything, which that's happened. Batman returns happening Gotham.

836
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,559
I'm sure it's happening comic books, like they always love

837
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:05,000
to do. The whole Penguin like gets close to being

838
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:07,440
a mayor or. She's not the mayor bell Real. I

839
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,760
think it's her name, Bell Real. I think just like one.

840
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,719
So I don't think it's that. I think, and that

841
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,360
would be my hope because I think it would be

842
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,840
very dumb if that mayor just trust him, because I

843
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,159
thought they were trying to make that mayor like the

844
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,400
change a part of the change for Gotham. But again,

845
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,719
we might have a big bad Harve in there, and

846
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,079
maybe he you never know how they play Harvey Dent, right,

847
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,320
and he could be like a more kind of like

848
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,199
what we got back in Kate Crusader, a bit more

849
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,800
on the what i'd say, shady side, So maybe he'd

850
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,719
be on. Yeah, he was an upstanding citizen, colonel, how

851
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,760
dare you say that? Just to point this out before

852
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,840
me on So it might said cruel sing Oz could

853
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,639
have done to his mom's keeper a lot of that, say,

854
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:45,679
after promise to kill her two episodes ago, she ended

855
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,800
up like that. Yeah, and we can transition there because yeah,

856
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,119
the moment she's seen that bat Singal, she's like, help me, man.

857
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:56,760
But I think it's two things. I think it's exactly

858
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,039
that Mike. I forgot about that actually, so good point

859
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:01,599
where she brought up I remember the beginning episode and

860
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:03,639
I forgebo in the review where she said, Hey, if

861
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:05,519
I read that state killed me, that's the worst type

862
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:07,599
of state we want, right, because we talked about that.

863
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:08,960
We're all the same like, yeah, I don't want to

864
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,719
live like that. But then I think it's like a

865
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,039
double because she was living in somewhat denial, not denial.

866
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,000
She knew what was happened, but she put herself in

867
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:19,360
a different state of mind to at least forgive her

868
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,679
son for what happened, which we'll talk about. But it

869
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,039
ended with like the last words that she said to

870
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,360
her son were all nothing but terrible stuff. I'm not

871
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,760
saying it wasn't deserved, but just saying you were mistake.

872
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,079
Every time I wake up in the morning, I feel

873
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:34,440
sick because I'm your mother, like all the worst shit

874
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:36,960
you could say to your child. But that's another thing.

875
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,559
In the beginning of this episode, I was like, man,

876
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,480
this one was a piece of shit too, because Mike

877
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:43,159
and other people have that theory that she knew that

878
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,159
he did. I did not think so at all. I thought, man,

879
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,159
and that's been all green with Kirkla where I feel

880
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,679
like that dynamic maybe needed one more episode because that

881
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,159
felt I feel this whole brother thing is a good

882
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:55,000
thing for Oz. I like it for Oz because it

883
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:58,079
adds another you know, especially with the whole Norman baitsing,

884
00:39:58,119 --> 00:39:59,800
like it adds a different layer to him, makes him

885
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,840
even more shitty than want to seem taken down. But

886
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,719
did feel a tad rushed, but it still was good stuff.

887
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,199
So that's where I'm like a little torn. But uh yeah,

888
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,840
they revealed that she knew the whole time that he

889
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,239
had killed. You know, didn't know one hundred percent, but

890
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,119
she knew in her guts. At one point she was

891
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:17,400
gonna have Rex the Mobster take him out. You can

892
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:19,400
have her son killed. I thought it was odd that

893
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,800
we had the flashback last week with a different actress

894
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,679
and then this week it was her.

895
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,519
Speaker 3: So I just kind of feel like that was because

896
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:27,800
she was experiencing it in that moment through.

897
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,639
Speaker 1: Her right, Okay, that's fairy, I'll accept that. Yeah, Which

898
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:33,599
that's where we finally got the answer. Julian Rush was

899
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:36,159
finally useful. He got those answers out of her, So

900
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,719
for me, that actually checked, like still he is still Yeah,

901
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,599
we'll get to him. He still he's very useful now.

902
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,239
But other than the sex stuff, I was like, something

903
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,840
needs to happen with this character. At least that was like, okay, cool,

904
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,719
Sophia got some secrets out of her because of Julian Rush.

905
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,599
That made it better. If I watched the showgun, I'm

906
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,639
ever like, what the fuck is Rush sitting around here

907
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:56,559
for other than like having a jolly good time. But

908
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,760
uh yeah, she she knew. Uh he gave some big speech.

909
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,800
She said, Okay, I'm gonna you know, I'll raise him

910
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,079
to be this little mobster. But yeah, she's a piece

911
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:08,440
of shit person too. She at the end, she tries

912
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:10,199
to be like, oh, I should have never let you

913
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,079
do this, and all my sons are here, but I

914
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:13,960
was like, yeah, she can die too. You know, the

915
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,239
whole Cobb family is terrible people, except for those two

916
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,400
boys that drowned in the lake or whatever and some children.

917
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like this is this is what I

918
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:24,559
was saying earlier.

919
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 4: I feel like this scene, it was a wonderful scene,

920
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,800
like beautifully acted and everything. It looked really good, but

921
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,800
I just felt like unsatisfied, Like I'm so I'm so

922
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,760
torn because I don't want to say I'm unsatisfied, Like

923
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,280
when his mom is like going up his face and

924
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,000
like basically saying that he's the devil.

925
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: I didn't want you.

926
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,079
Speaker 4: Like this is really intense, like just drama because of

927
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:48,599
everything that we've led up to and we've we've just

928
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,800
well we've been shown to believe that like Penguin has

929
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,199
done basically all of this for his mom. And like

930
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,880
you just loved her so much and it just seems

931
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,239
like the one thing in his life that he cares

932
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,320
about is this, is this lady, is this individual? Like

933
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,639
it was really intense, but I still just felt like

934
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:09,920
some inconsistencies maybe of like the mom's opinion of him,

935
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,800
Like like we don't really get any any of this

936
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,360
resentment or hate for for Cob right this entire show

937
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:21,280
until last week. And like I think because of Julian

938
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,719
Rush's hitting it to whatever the hell he's doing, he's

939
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,320
recalling memories of her. You can make the argument that

940
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,719
like that's just really provoking it and bringing it back

941
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,199
up into her like in the front of her mind, like, hey,

942
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,960
this is this is a real thing that you've been

943
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,079
putting back in the back of your mind, like your

944
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:39,079
whole life essentially, And but like, I don't know, I

945
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,800
just felt I just felt like it was a big

946
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,079
jump of Okay, now she just hates Cob, and it's

947
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,679
she's saying that she's always hated him, she's always felt

948
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:50,480
this way. But I don't think we've been shown that

949
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:53,320
at all, especially early early portions of the season.

950
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:56,559
Speaker 3: I think it's been things that have been helping trigger

951
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,159
like trigger factors, because you have you have Vic who

952
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:02,599
was dancing with her talking about her about her boys

953
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:04,960
again and kind of reinstigating that, and Oz comes in,

954
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,800
It's like, oh, don't talk to her about that. So

955
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,079
I mean, as this show progresses, you get a lot

956
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:12,000
more of that reinforcement to her. And of course she's ill,

957
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,679
but she's being reminded again again again about her boys,

958
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:17,440
and then you have this psychiatric trip that just totally

959
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,480
makes her deep dive back into that situation and breaks her.

960
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's fair.

961
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,039
Speaker 4: I'm that remind me of like every time that the

962
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:27,920
boy's been brought up paying when it shot it down

963
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,159
like instantly, so I definitely kind of forgot about that.

964
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,480
And again, like this is where I was saying I

965
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,280
would have wanted another episode because I felt like I

966
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,239
just would have wanted one more in between episode of

967
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,199
her actually knowing this and like stewing with it to

968
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:43,960
where we are here, to when she stabs him. It's like, Okay,

969
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:48,079
I'm satisfied. Now I got more time to really sit

970
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:50,519
with the mom and like go through this like realization

971
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,400
and trauma. Because I think her performance was fantastic. I

972
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,599
was like you Travis earlier, I'm like, why is this

973
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,519
like a younger lady? This the younger lead last week

974
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,519
and then now it's the Maybe they just liked her

975
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:04,320
performance of the scene more, but it made sense because

976
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,800
it was like the hypnotism whatever it was moment. But yeah,

977
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,159
I'm just her acting of it. It was phenomenal. But yeah, okay,

978
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,679
I and again this is something that I feel like

979
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,519
on another viewing, maybe I'm gonna feel completely different about it,

980
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:21,079
but just my initial feeling, it's just such a big

981
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:24,159
moment that I wanted to feel like, man, that was perfect.

982
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,960
I couldn't have changed anything about that, but didn't quite

983
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,440
feel that way on out the gate. But definitely, yeah,

984
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,360
I definitely forgot about a couple of those moments of

985
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:35,880
just her being reminded maybe of the boys and things

986
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,159
like that.

987
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, my show. There are moments where she get mad

988
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,119
at him and the illness kind of made that murky though,

989
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:43,159
which I think is, uh, that's a tough thing. And

990
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,239
there were times where she was hard on him because

991
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,480
she was I feel like at the beginning of episode

992
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,679
one or two where she was kind of not shit

993
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,280
talking to him, but tell him like he has to

994
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,360
like you promised me. This prompts me. But I'm assume

995
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,920
with the Kirk where I didn't think that it was

996
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,000
like a pure hatred. But at the same time, I

997
00:44:58,039 --> 00:44:59,679
guess it's kind of like sometimes in life, right where

998
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,320
it's like like a white lie thing where it's something like, Okay,

999
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,880
you might feel this way, but you kind of you know,

1000
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,519
you don't want to go full manty on somebody, right,

1001
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,239
so you kind of give it to them. So I

1002
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,079
think maybe it's just the idea too, of just reliving it.

1003
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:16,039
Maybe she realizes looking back at all, she was wrong something.

1004
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:19,360
They're also like, what was her to make him proud?

1005
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,280
Like him just become a big criminal. You know, he

1006
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,400
wasn't a great result.

1007
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: He became not exactly what you want your mom to

1008
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,199
be rooting for you, Yeah, right, Like.

1009
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: He became a terrible person. Maybe that was just a realization.

1010
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:29,679
I thought it was a good touch to see the

1011
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,599
boys and they're all like dripping wet and everything, and

1012
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:33,920
I thought that was a nice touch there, and I

1013
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,840
thought she was obviously great in that scene and the

1014
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,159
other thing again another point I said in the Non

1015
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:41,719
Sports just multiple facets of why to hate Cobb it's

1016
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,400
like fuck, like Sophia was right where they're like, okay,

1017
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,920
she tells us, which for me is like it's very

1018
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,159
like very on the nose of she finds these birds

1019
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:53,559
and the bird you know, there's all the big one,

1020
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:55,400
little one, and she's just on the whole story like

1021
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,079
what Oz did to his brothers. Okay, that's fine. And

1022
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:01,119
then you know but again looking great dress, and she goes, hey,

1023
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:03,320
I want there need to be some truth here. Very

1024
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,679
classic homebook. But that's fine, and she's threatening to cut

1025
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,159
off Oz's mum's finger unless he says the truth, says

1026
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:12,280
what he did to his brothers, and he still won't

1027
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,840
do it even after his's like I fucking know you did.

1028
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,400
I already know. I've accepted. Just tell me. And then

1029
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,400
he's like, oh my, you're sick. Like that's where again

1030
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:24,519
that put that good points for me because like, oh man, yeah,

1031
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:27,079
Penguin is like he's just a piece of shit. And

1032
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,000
I also fear it to mention too, when he killed Victor,

1033
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:31,880
he took Victor's money again, another piece of shit. Take

1034
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,400
three bucks too, Yeah, there was ones and he still

1035
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:37,800
took it. So again, there's so many things this episode

1036
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,159
is like, I cannot wait for Batman a fucking curb

1037
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,840
stamp his teeth on the cement. But yeah, the fact

1038
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,760
that he was he would let his bumb's finger get

1039
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,920
chalked off because he would he he was too pathetic

1040
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:49,039
to admit.

1041
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,119
Speaker 4: That he did it, you know, my my Devil's advocate

1042
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
defense of Penguin in that moment. Oh wow, is I

1043
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:57,760
feel like he took the money to make it seem

1044
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,239
like a mugging or something like kill okay for the

1045
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:00,960
money in his wallet.

1046
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: I thought, you're trying to fend the mother finger.

1047
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like, let's be honest, none of our

1048
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:06,760
mom's neither pinkies.

1049
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,639
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. Yeah, I could buy that. Yeah, but

1050
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,440
I could also still buy that he would want the

1051
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:12,159
three extra.

1052
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 3: Bucks just yeah.

1053
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 4: I like how they emphasized like it could have been hundreds,

1054
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,800
it could have been tens, but no, it's like specifically

1055
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,679
like three one dollar bills. You reminded me of another

1056
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,320
thing that maybe why I didn't love that scene as

1057
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,440
much as I could have, is this is like the

1058
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:31,199
this is the finale. This is like the big showdown.

1059
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,679
Sophia finally has Cob and she's spending this whole time

1060
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,079
to just like tell his bird story, and like really

1061
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,679
she she just wants to be like incepting his mom

1062
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,199
and like finding out this trauma to just to like

1063
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,719
bring it to the surface. I guess it's it's it's

1064
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,679
a good way to hurt Cob to have, you know,

1065
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,679
his mom be the one that stab it. But it

1066
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,239
just seemed like way too of an elaborate plan, like

1067
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,000
like she had Julian rush here because she knew that

1068
00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:58,239
one day she's gonna be able to get his mom

1069
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,519
and find out all this trauma. And it's not even

1070
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:03,159
like Sophia would have known about this at all, right,

1071
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,000
like like she would have found out through.

1072
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: It just happened through the Hypnoticisan half.

1073
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: So it's like, why is she doing this in the

1074
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,320
first place if she doesn't even know what she's looking for.

1075
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:12,840
It just seemed it seemed weird.

1076
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 4: And again that's where maybe like my one extra episode

1077
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,320
would have would have helped, because I would have had

1078
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,159
time between Sophia and the mom and Penguin cover that

1079
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,159
in the penultimate or whatever you want to do, and

1080
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:26,360
then the ultimate the finale be just kind of more

1081
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,039
personal between Sophia and Cobb because it just seems it,

1082
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,000
I don't know, just some of the focus was taken

1083
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:35,280
away from her a little bit. I'm glad that she's

1084
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,480
alive because I did really was fearful thinking that she

1085
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,679
was going to die here and that was just gonna

1086
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:42,440
be the end of that character. But I am really

1087
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,360
happy that she's she's sticking around because she's been phenomenal

1088
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,840
the whole series, and just to know that that character

1089
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,440
is still alive, that we can pull her back. And

1090
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:52,880
more more than that, it's not like she's just in Arkham,

1091
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,320
like they're they're setting bread crumbs for something, you know,

1092
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,360
with her and Selena. So I'm really really happy that

1093
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:58,960
she lived on.

1094
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. You just reminded me about

1095
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:02,480
that last thing.

1096
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,559
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and that went into my stuff last week,

1097
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,639
remember the whole like the truck with the bomb and like,

1098
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,079
hopefully you can get out because again we'll really under

1099
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:13,079
they're just gonna be sitting there waiting, And she had

1100
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:15,360
this whole laborate plan, Like I still thought, like I

1101
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,679
thought her killing the mom in front of alle Oz

1102
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,760
and any torturing was like enough so for her to

1103
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,000
like do this whole like confessionally it's still worked enough

1104
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:26,760
for me, but it is like it it feels like, uh,

1105
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:29,599
I don't want to say spinning wheels. Spinning wheel sounds

1106
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:31,800
too bad because luckily the scenes acted well and it's

1107
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,599
still written well, but just also feels like is this

1108
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:35,440
what she was doing here? But I feel like I

1109
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:37,480
had a couple of moms with that with Sofia even

1110
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:38,840
last week. Remember when she's like, I don't know what

1111
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,280
I'm doing anymore, It's like, oh, I thought we thought

1112
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,039
you knew what you were doing.

1113
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: Now you know.

1114
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:44,639
Speaker 1: So I think there's a couple of things the same

1115
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:47,079
thing I thought. He got out of that situation very easy.

1116
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:51,480
She stabs him, he's bleeding, he falls down, breaks chair, shoots,

1117
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:54,239
one guy, shoots another guy picks up his mom. He's bleeding,

1118
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,039
Like I was like, and again she had four guys

1119
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,320
with her and Julian. I'm making out Julian Rush because

1120
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,199
he's not wheeling the gun.

1121
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,599
Speaker 2: So I just got shot Julian Rush at first, like

1122
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:10,760
when he shoots that Enzo guy or whatever it was. Yeah, man,

1123
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,280
that's it. That's why we had Julian.

1124
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,199
Speaker 1: Well, he got us there, he got us, he got us.

1125
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,079
The confession I guess so, yeah, that would have been

1126
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:18,880
funny if you just got shot and then yeah, Sofia

1127
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,679
in broad daylight just goes out outside Monroe's just shooting. Yeah,

1128
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,239
that's another thing. I thought the same thing, like that

1129
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,000
happened with Maroni last week, where it just was a

1130
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:29,920
little These guard situations are a little easy. That's okay,

1131
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:32,320
this is probably TV budget. Keep it light.

1132
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: Get five actors on saying about the cop who is

1133
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,039
doing I drops outside?

1134
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I like that shot when he got shot

1135
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,760
in his brain matter just like went on the camera.

1136
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,280
But yeah, I thought that was a little easy, and

1137
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,840
they get and I guess we haven't. I guess we

1138
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,960
can start talking about this now. We'll take unless Tay,

1139
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:48,599
was there anything that.

1140
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: You just want? Yeah, add real quick thing. When they

1141
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,079
were talking about that. The whole scene was great. I

1142
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:56,039
love that this the tension of it. But it was

1143
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,519
a little tricky to follow why Sophia was trying to

1144
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,920
put this on Oz and what she was going at

1145
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,039
instead of just killing him. She had a few opportunities

1146
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:05,599
here where she just too much dialogue and she should

1147
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:07,719
have just popped him and then moved on and gotten

1148
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,800
out of there. But what it fucking killed me because

1149
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,199
when she does this whole dialogue about the younger, weaker

1150
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,280
bird pushing the other one out of the nest and

1151
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:19,960
killing it, and then she pulls the like the thing

1152
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:22,800
out out of Oz's mouth and he's like, the fucking

1153
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,079
birds you're talking about?

1154
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: Like birds? Yeah, he says, fucking birds. Yeah. I love man,

1155
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,679
I love Oz there. But yeah, that's I can have break.

1156
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,760
We'll finish off the ping and Sofia stuff that Naill

1157
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,400
talk about. Sofia's current states, we'll be right back and

1158
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,800
we're back. So yeah, so we didn't mention that, Victor.

1159
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:48,920
So they go the site gotta save Penguin, everybody, all

1160
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,480
the all the mobsters that they agreed with last week

1161
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:53,159
or the week before. They're like, oh no, this is

1162
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:54,960
too much. He gives this whole speech, which I did

1163
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:58,320
like the emphasize whoever the triad leader is, like second,

1164
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,599
I can't remember his name, like link, Okay. I like

1165
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:04,000
that they emphasized that he was like putting down when

1166
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:06,079
he or picking up what he's putting down. But then

1167
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:08,480
they had him like roundhouse, like he had him like

1168
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:11,639
uppercut his stomach. So I was like, okay, maybe that's

1169
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:13,440
nothing yet, but I like that that was a moment

1170
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,800
where he just kind of did that in front of

1171
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,760
everybody to it. Even said like stop talking, you're gonna

1172
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,079
get killed. So it felt like it was like a

1173
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:21,559
moment or too, like a kind of a lifeline for

1174
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,719
Vic and he kind of understood what he was saying.

1175
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,519
And then so Sophia says, hey, I'm leaning Gotham. She

1176
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,800
brings everyone here. Uh, you find Oz, bring him to me,

1177
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:34,519
you kill you know whatever, I'll kill him. My territory

1178
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,960
everything is all yours. Right, So she does this. We'll

1179
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,519
go back to what she does the house after because

1180
00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:43,239
we'll focus on Sleena. But then so they put out

1181
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,840
this hit. Link calls Victor says, hey, you know, he

1182
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,440
has a hit on him. They make it look like

1183
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:50,119
Penguin's getting caught because they have guns to him. They

1184
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,039
bring them to Sofia. This is another little thing where

1185
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,159
I felt like there's gonna be a more of a

1186
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,280
formal like she's out of there, you know, the house

1187
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,360
is gone, like like what she's just like she was

1188
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,719
already seems like she was leaving. So what if they

1189
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,599
called her and said, hey, we didn't find them, but

1190
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,679
she was already packing. Seemed like that plane was ready

1191
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,000
to go wherever it was gonna go, right, So it

1192
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:13,119
kind of felt that for me, it fell a little

1193
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,519
off of I'm believing no matter when, Hey, we just

1194
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:17,679
happened to get Oz and they bring him there and

1195
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,920
then they kill all the leaders and you know Oz,

1196
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:21,599
now all the seconds are in the command and they're

1197
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,079
the leaders, and it's just like, so what all that

1198
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:26,440
stuff she was gonna give the mobster that brought them over,

1199
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,760
it's just Oz now. Like I felt the same way

1200
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,519
when Johnny Vedy was alive. It's like, wouldn't there be

1201
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:34,880
a few like money transfers And I feel like that

1202
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,119
type of stuff for anything, right, like even territory.

1203
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 3: You can do anything over the internet now, I guess,

1204
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,880
but even just the territories, it's just like they're all

1205
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,760
supposed to believe, like, oh yeah, so you know Sophie,

1206
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:44,320
our old boss.

1207
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,559
Speaker 1: Well, uh, you know, the Triad showed up, they killed Oz.

1208
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:49,880
She got on a plane and left and but Oz,

1209
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,239
you know, it's like it was a little messy. I

1210
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,239
don't know why they did that. So I wish there

1211
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,199
was again, maybe some more time with that. It's just

1212
00:53:57,199 --> 00:53:59,679
feel like we were jumping from we captured Oz he

1213
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,320
is and then we captured again, and he's been captured

1214
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,239
a few times. But uh oz walk gets her. I

1215
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,840
really love that they ended on the scene of him

1216
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,880
driving her. I thought that was like a fantastic oh

1217
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,320
again and he's driving her. It's like, okay, makes her walk,

1218
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:18,079
And I was like, oh man, it's over for Sophia

1219
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:20,840
right now, there's no way, but he tells her close

1220
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,559
her eyes, turn around. She's preparing for death. But then

1221
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,360
a big spotlight hits her. Helicopter's popping off with get

1222
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,079
oh cevia an on her wrist.

1223
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,119
Speaker 3: He's part of me thought it was gonna be Batman,

1224
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,880
like I really did. Just him just soooping down.

1225
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,679
Speaker 1: In the cop car. Oh in the soup and down. Okay,

1226
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:36,480
soup and down.

1227
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's arrested him. He's in the backseat of the

1228
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:40,639
cop car. Yeah.

1229
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:46,199
Speaker 1: I was hoping at the same time when he he

1230
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,199
became a murderer tonight. He also helped kill her dad.

1231
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,000
You could talk to him about an Arkham. But like

1232
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:53,320
I thought, for sure, Penguin when he I didn't know

1233
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,400
he was when he when Victor dropped him off in

1234
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,719
the middle and he said something about like he didn't

1235
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,480
say face the music, but he said something inferring cops,

1236
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:02,639
like he's going into big spot. I thought that's where

1237
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:04,840
we're gonna get our Jim Gordon cameo. I thought he

1238
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,880
was walking into a police station, but it was and

1239
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,400
it was like a court situation. But yeah, Sophia, we

1240
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:15,079
she gets arrested and sent back to Arkham. So before

1241
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:16,440
we talk about some more of the reveal there, but

1242
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:19,760
what do we think about some of this triad stuff

1243
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,199
in the seconds turn on everybody and then Sophia surviving,

1244
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:24,400
She's she made it.

1245
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I already mentioned I'm super jack that she lived on.

1246
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:34,760
I'm really happy that was the case. I kind of chuckled,

1247
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,400
like during the episode when she like brings all the

1248
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,320
families to the house, it's like, yeah, I'm leaving Gotham,

1249
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,800
and I'm like, ah, the fucking Bastard's okay. This is

1250
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,960
how we're gonna just save her. Like she's she's gonna

1251
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:45,039
just get out of town.

1252
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:45,639
Speaker 2: That that's it.

1253
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,199
Speaker 4: We're gonna be justing at some point, which of course

1254
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,599
isn't exactly what happened. So I am glad that she's

1255
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:54,920
stuck around in Gotham, even though it's to her dismay,

1256
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:57,880
it's doesn't seem like she's pretty happy in the in

1257
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,559
the Arkham Asylum, even though I wouldn't expect she's getting

1258
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:02,400
the same treatment that she was getting the first time

1259
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:03,960
she was there, because I thought that was like set

1260
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:05,000
up by her dad.

1261
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:06,159
Speaker 2: To like do all that stuff.

1262
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:08,519
Speaker 1: I think you just get that anytime you go to Arkham.

1263
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:11,119
Speaker 2: Fuck, what a terrible place. A place.

1264
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:12,519
Speaker 1: I think that's why I was Arkham, right, I don't

1265
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:13,639
want you don't want to go there. You want to

1266
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,880
go to Blacka At least Arkham is is real bad.

1267
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,559
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it makes sense because like Gotham

1268
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:20,000
alone just seems like a terrible place to live, and

1269
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,639
then like the Arkham and the Blackade is just that

1270
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,639
much worse. But uh yeah, I I I completely with Utu.

1271
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,519
I love how it ended with him, like him driving her.

1272
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:36,280
I love the setup too of like getting her there

1273
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,280
and then Oz just kind of does that smirk and

1274
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,559
then she realized what's going on, and then the whole shootout,

1275
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:43,039
Like I I really was satisfied with that.

1276
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 2: I thought that was badass. And even when mister.

1277
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:51,199
Speaker 4: Jao like gets Cobb and calls Sophia. I'm like, okay,

1278
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,079
I know links with like you know, the boys with

1279
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:57,519
the team, but like, how is this exactly any play?

1280
00:56:57,559 --> 00:56:59,119
And I like how it was just like a big

1281
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,000
power move of all these kind of you know, second

1282
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:04,320
in command type guys just taken over as like the

1283
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,159
new leaders, and these are all the leaders that are

1284
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:10,119
gonna be, you know, running Gotham by the time Pattinson

1285
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:17,599
wakes up from his shock and shotgun to the blasts. Yeah,

1286
00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:19,840
so I I I for all that, I thought that

1287
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,360
was just fantastic. I thought it was really really well done.

1288
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,199
I don't know, I wasn't too bothered about like the

1289
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,719
like the like the timing I guess of everything. It

1290
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,800
was pretty convenient. But I imagine she would have she

1291
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,719
could have just slept in another wing of the building,

1292
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,880
like like did that burn down the whole house?

1293
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: When she when she thinks so, yeah, okay, she's gonna.

1294
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:45,039
Speaker 3: Made a few million bucks off it, maybe a billion yeah.

1295
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:49,719
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah cool shot or yeah. But I didn't mention

1296
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,280
that she burned down the house, had the three cigarettes,

1297
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,440
let them all out. It was just uh, just lighting

1298
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:00,519
a blaze to everything. So the falcony Empire mansion all gone.

1299
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: Now so yeah, legit Conte mansion, yeah, all but just gone.

1300
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:11,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I uh, I think that everything that you know

1301
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:13,880
her her ending here. I'm glad. I'm glad that she lived.

1302
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,239
That's my one prediction that I'm happy came true. She's

1303
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,039
back in Arkham and we got a cool little tie

1304
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,679
in with that I was not really expecting, but they

1305
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:23,320
went forward, and I'm happy that we got the Sleema

1306
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,880
Kyle thing, which we'll talk about. But yeah, just to

1307
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,039
be back in there. That sucks for her character, really

1308
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:30,199
really does. But it just, man, it just puts Oz

1309
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,079
on top and really just puts them on another level

1310
00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:35,079
because she really thought that she was gonna get killed

1311
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:38,840
there and he's just he's just at that top, that

1312
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,880
top point. It's fucking crazy how he just played it

1313
00:58:42,159 --> 00:58:45,960
so well. And she, yeah, did this city favor? I

1314
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:48,960
guess to just give them a give them someone to

1315
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:52,360
martyr and to point the finger app and so yeah,

1316
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,480
it's not Uh, it's not gonna be easy for her character.

1317
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:56,920
And I'm curious to see when she comes back how

1318
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,760
it's gonna unfold.

1319
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:58,679
Speaker 1: And just the.

1320
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: Dynamic too, because I get this at this point, if

1321
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,920
you want to just throw it into the movie if

1322
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,199
you don't have to watch the show. Just Selena Kyle

1323
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,719
comes back because like, oh, I got a sister who

1324
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:09,960
has just been in Arkham this whole time.

1325
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: So well, these guys giving up the lead here, but

1326
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:16,840
you got Sophia. She's has a meal, it doesn't look

1327
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,800
like she's eating it, having a tough time. She pressed

1328
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,519
up adst the wall, like, you know, wrapped, like I

1329
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,719
don't know what what the what it has a name.

1330
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,400
Isn't the the fetal position or something like that?

1331
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:29,039
Speaker 3: Right, looks like the fetal position?

1332
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so that's I got right points of Trouse

1333
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,679
and then Julian rush door opens like, oh fucking this

1334
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,440
guy got I gotta appreciate how much of it just

1335
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:40,360
a stand how much of a you know, I'd love

1336
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,159
for him and Penguin to talk like who's more fucked up?

1337
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:46,679
Like Penguin with Eve here or this guy who he

1338
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,000
left Darkham. Oh I do a lot of terrible things, Sofia.

1339
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:51,760
Sofia goes back and oh and look who's back at Arka.

1340
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,159
Mister rush like he will go get a job at

1341
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:56,360
the world's worst place in the world just because Sophia

1342
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,119
is there, so again you gotta meant this guy will

1343
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:02,719
he's a keeper for Sevia. He's willing to do anything.

1344
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,679
But then, which is really cool, you have this moment

1345
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:08,719
where he's talking and it's like suspended, like muffled sound.

1346
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,039
He's like, oh, you got you know some male the

1347
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:13,960
regular you know, people checking in, people ask me, r

1348
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,159
you know you're white or your husband or whatever, and

1349
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:17,719
they's like, oh, but there's one that did stand out.

1350
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,679
And I fucking loved that because I'm like, oh fuck,

1351
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:21,960
what could this be? And I'm thinking, like, especially because

1352
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,800
there's a black mflope. I'm like it looked similar to

1353
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,079
like stuff Riddler would get up. I'm like that doesn't

1354
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:28,519
make yeah, but I was like that doesn't make sense,

1355
01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:30,960
like like it loves like what we Riddler want. And

1356
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,760
then thought, okay, it could it be Joker because he's like,

1357
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:35,239
you know, Rumor's trying to recruit people, but like that

1358
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,760
doesn't make much sense either other than the hangman stuff.

1359
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,199
Maybe he could send her hanging like I don't know,

1360
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:42,599
but then kind of what everyone's been hoping for him

1361
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:46,320
we talked about him, I myself thought okay, even if

1362
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,840
she's and I am in last week where I thought

1363
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,440
I think I said, I said she would die, but

1364
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:52,400
I said, like, if not, she's gonna be locked up,

1365
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,559
Like she'll be taking off the board, is what I said, right,

1366
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:58,480
So I thought, Okay, even if she got locked up whatever,

1367
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:00,440
that's not gonna happen. But the fact that oh, he

1368
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,719
says like, oh yeah, you got a letter and it's

1369
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,920
from someone named Selena Kyle and it's claiming to be

1370
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,960
your half sister, my god. Literally I sat up and

1371
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:14,639
chills all like, just as show as a rock is

1372
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:20,159
covered in chills already, I was. I was goosebumping all

1373
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,039
over because it's like that thing where like, oh I

1374
01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:24,960
hope they do the thing, and they did the fucking thing,

1375
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:28,039
and like I don't know, and brought up a good

1376
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:30,440
point where it's just like I don't know what you

1377
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:32,320
can do in the movie, like it might feel weird

1378
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,320
for Selena show. I'm like, hey, this is my half sister, Sophia.

1379
01:01:36,199 --> 01:01:38,719
I don't know if that could happen, but I think

1380
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,519
because obviously we talked about on the newscast where those

1381
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:44,360
rumors of the Joker Show, Jameson said, that's not true,

1382
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:45,960
so we'll see if that ends up not being sure,

1383
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:48,000
I'll take him first word that that's not trueight Now.

1384
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,440
I think we've always kind of put out there like

1385
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,280
the one we'd want is Selena Kyle, and I feel

1386
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,840
like that would be the place to do it in

1387
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,840
the show because I feel like you would get lots

1388
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,960
of time there, unless Selena is getting tons of time

1389
01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:03,039
in the movie. But I think Matt Reeves is making

1390
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,719
a specific case that if Selena Kyle gets a lot

1391
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,360
of time in the movie, it's Bruce centric. Like he's

1392
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,280
always said that he wants to keep the villains not

1393
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,400
the focus. He wants Bruce to be the focus, which

1394
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:14,480
is great because in the Villains, you know, like in

1395
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:17,960
those movies, films often take over and they're very flashy.

1396
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:19,559
But I like that it's from his point of view,

1397
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,559
So I think I don't know if we could cover

1398
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:24,719
that ground of Selena comes back with a sister. But

1399
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,119
this makes me more convinced now never that they're gonna

1400
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:29,639
do a show with Selena. I've always wanted that because

1401
01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:32,280
I think there's lots with this character to you know, explain.

1402
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,440
And I do feel like, let's say we get because

1403
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,039
we said they're gonna do more shows. Right, Let's say

1404
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,960
we get Batman two, you know, two other shows, Batman three,

1405
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,960
and it's done. Then I would go to and they

1406
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:43,719
do nothing of this. I would go to Matt Reason

1407
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:45,199
and like, ah, you should have took that out because

1408
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:47,960
that's too much to me, like baiting an audience to

1409
01:02:48,039 --> 01:02:50,880
be like holy shit, like cool. I guess you could

1410
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,880
say it's like okay, it's a full circle, like she

1411
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:54,880
doesn't feel a lone anymore, but it's like she'd still

1412
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,800
be locked of an Arkham, it doesn't matter. I guess

1413
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,519
she could be a penpal with her sister. But to me,

1414
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:03,239
them doing that is like you are setting people up

1415
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,320
for there is something. It's like joker at the end

1416
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,079
of the bat and it's like you have to now

1417
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:08,679
follow up on this. And like I said, I don't

1418
01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:10,320
think it could be in a movie. It's a movie. Great.

1419
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,360
I'd love her to go into the movies. Maybe they

1420
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,239
could do that. Maybe there's a situation where they are

1421
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,440
working together, but I think the Selena Kyle Show with

1422
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:22,400
her being in there's more likely. But what do you

1423
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:27,000
guys think? They think nothing? And that's the end. What

1424
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:28,920
are your final thoughts on the Penguin series and we

1425
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:29,519
had Taylor.

1426
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 3: I mean, if the Selena Kyle Show is anything like

1427
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,920
the writing that this show has had, I'm definitely all

1428
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,639
there for it. Because initially I thought, Ah, I don't

1429
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:40,320
know if I'm gonna really feel this engagement with the

1430
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,599
Penguin Show, but sure enough I thought it was phenomenal.

1431
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:46,480
So as long as the writing's good that I'll be there.

1432
01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:48,480
And I think that that would be a pretty ideal

1433
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:49,920
place for her to just pop up, is in a

1434
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,119
Selena Kyle show and just kind of see what they're

1435
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:56,199
up to and what's going on. But I don't know

1436
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,119
how or what that would really entail aside from you

1437
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,360
just being penpal. So be interesting to see what's going

1438
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:01,840
on there.

1439
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: Like in the show. Yeah. Well, like Ma brings up

1440
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,159
a good point here, kind of we're the penguin left

1441
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:09,679
Rush as a loose threat. He could theatically help get

1442
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:11,679
her out. So that's one thing where it's like, I

1443
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,079
do I agree with that, but I think that's just

1444
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:16,639
like why he's left there so he can help get

1445
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:17,480
her out, you know.

1446
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 2: But it comes into her cell at the end. Come on, Sophia,

1447
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:21,880
we get the fuck out it.

1448
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: We gotta go right now, get on your shoes.

1449
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: We're fucking going.

1450
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: He's just I've killed everybody. We gotta go now. Yeah,

1451
01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:36,360
but no, I think that's why he's there. And I

1452
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,199
don't know if like Selena would get her out, like so,

1453
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,920
like if we're going with the theory that they're gonna

1454
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,000
do some of this, Selena took the time to write

1455
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:46,920
to her, right so and Selena, I would imagine, what's

1456
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,000
some connection. Maybe Selena helps gets her out, And I

1457
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:52,079
don't know what that would be. I do think even

1458
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:53,599
though I want to see them pal round and it's

1459
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:57,079
funny that they have the same it's tough though, right

1460
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:58,679
because I'm trying to think, like, what did Sophia do

1461
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,480
in here that was bad? Take the crime stuff? Like, great,

1462
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:05,320
what did she she killed other Falcone members, they're all bad?

1463
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:07,920
She killed penguin guys? Did she kill anyone in the

1464
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,880
show that we deemed like as innocent, even his penguin's

1465
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,840
mom when she like, motherfucker hear him and everything, she

1466
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:16,800
like told the guards to lay off. So she never

1467
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,559
like took a big plunge to like start hurting go

1468
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:22,000
out of her way to hurt really innocent people. So

1469
01:05:22,159 --> 01:05:23,719
I was just saying, like, I wonder if if she

1470
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,280
got out with her and Sophia like clash, eventually, would

1471
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,280
they you know, would they have a situation where she.

1472
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,119
Speaker 3: All the people that were above on.

1473
01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:36,239
Speaker 1: That's true, So that's why I also wonder where Sophia

1474
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,920
could kind of like I think they'll pile around, But

1475
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:43,880
I also think that Sophia and her would eventually. I

1476
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,079
think Selena would see what she could become and she

1477
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:48,199
wouldn't want to become that. You know, she could be

1478
01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:50,719
the villain of the show in a way or episode

1479
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:51,000
or two.

1480
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:52,599
Speaker 2: I hope, I.

1481
01:05:52,679 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 4: Hope what like sort of interaction could come out of it.

1482
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:57,920
Is something that I didn't really think about too much

1483
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:02,599
about this whole show, is what Penguin mentions to her

1484
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:05,519
when he's basically given her the last ride you know

1485
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,960
of her life. He says like, like the difference is

1486
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,320
like you grew up in Royalty essentially, like you didn't

1487
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,280
know what it was like to really like struggle and

1488
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,079
like be like nothing. And I liked him mentioning that

1489
01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:22,639
because she seemed like she well she she has been

1490
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,280
objectively through literal hell in Arkham and all that stuff,

1491
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,840
but like she still seems like a lot of the

1492
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,679
moves that she's making is kind of personal, and it's

1493
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,400
it's not so much looking up for the little guy,

1494
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,920
And I think Selena is more so in that avenue

1495
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:40,880
of being you know, like raised up from nothing being

1496
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:45,039
just grime on on the streets. So I hope that

1497
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:47,840
that would kind of be something that sticks kind of

1498
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,400
kind of differentiating the two of them.

1499
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:50,639
Speaker 2: It's not like a make or break.

1500
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,639
Speaker 4: I think that they still have a lot of things too,

1501
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,360
like like meet in the middle on, but I think

1502
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,920
that is something that's, I don't know, just an important

1503
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:05,360
trait to keep on. Sophia is kind of just just

1504
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,719
that that she is, Like she grew up in a mansion, right,

1505
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,719
Like she had a very comfortable upbringing, And where did

1506
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,679
all that money come from? Like that's all illegal money

1507
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,480
and blood money that basically give her that And like

1508
01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:16,920
when she has all these fancy outfits on, it's not

1509
01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:20,440
legal money, Like none of it is legal. And although

1510
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,199
she hasn't really you know, directly murdered innocent people, she

1511
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,440
still just was pushing like bliss or whatever the hell.

1512
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,320
It wasn't bliss, Like it was like drops and all

1513
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,440
these things like she's still doing a llegal activity.

1514
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,039
Speaker 1: Well Bliss was going to be her job though, right,

1515
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:34,000
remember she she introduced that to Cobb.

1516
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:37,039
Speaker 4: So yeah, and it's not like she's leaving town because

1517
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:39,199
she has a coming to Jesus moment where yeah, this

1518
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,119
isn't right now, it's just yeah, it's better for me here.

1519
01:07:42,199 --> 01:07:45,480
So I like how Cobb kind of, I don't know,

1520
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:48,079
just brought that in the spotlight of like all these

1521
01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:50,280
decisions that you're making, like there still are for you, right,

1522
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,400
like you never look out for the for the little guy,

1523
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,079
which you know Cob is really fucked up, but he

1524
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:57,239
still did do some things like he got power back

1525
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,920
on Crown Point, like Vick was saying.

1526
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, which Vic was very much the angel on her

1527
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:02,280
shoulder that's now dead.

1528
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,239
Speaker 1: So of course, yeah, I wonder with same thing with

1529
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,320
her though if she were to get out, like wouldn't

1530
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,480
you feel for her? Like Numero umored target would be Oz. Now,

1531
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,159
I guess they could put in a situation where Oz

1532
01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:17,399
is so powerful it's hard to get to but I'm

1533
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,520
not sure because I guess too that also has to

1534
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,800
go to like what is what's Selena's goal currently right now? Right?

1535
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,239
Because like Falcone's dead. She was gonna try and kill

1536
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,680
him and then Ruther kill them, Like is she does

1537
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,439
she have some score to settle with Oz or something

1538
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,600
because she did work for him the club. But I

1539
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,239
don't know if that's like a thing where there's some

1540
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,000
stuff that happened there. I don't know that would be

1541
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:39,760
the team up. But I just I feel like if

1542
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:41,119
she does get out, you kind of have to make

1543
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:42,920
that her mission, right, was what.

1544
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 2: Was her goal at the end of Batman, Like she's

1545
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:44,960
going to.

1546
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,520
Speaker 1: That that was it? She just wanted to get like

1547
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,800
off him. Yeah, that's why it's like, what is her current?

1548
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,279
You know, objective? And then maybe that's obviously a show

1549
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:54,039
a movie, good show.

1550
01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: But I'm curious this Kidnamd.

1551
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: Is gonna kill him. I gotta kill him first victory

1552
01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:09,199
just all these people after him. But yeah, no, I

1553
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:13,279
I do you guys, what's your percentage of her being

1554
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:17,000
in the movies? Not I want your actual thinking percentage.

1555
01:09:20,039 --> 01:09:22,319
I'm a ten percent because at first when it happened,

1556
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,159
I looked at him and I'm like, oh, she's going

1557
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:25,960
to the movies. But more than I've had time to

1558
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:28,479
sit on, I'm like, I think it's just it is

1559
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,640
a lot to if you want to keep the whole,

1560
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,399
you don't want to have to do homework to watch

1561
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:36,840
Penguin interesting. Introducing Sofia could be a lot of heavy lifting.

1562
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:39,159
I don't know, so I'm gonna I'm gonna say ten,

1563
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:40,800
but I my want is one hundred percent.

1564
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 2: But I'm going saying Selena in Batman two.

1565
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:48,079
Speaker 1: Or so, No, Sophia, I think Selena is ninety five percent.

1566
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:49,279
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.

1567
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:54,359
Speaker 1: I mean, Penguin did kill Selina. I don't think Selena

1568
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:56,800
cares that much about I'll for an even like the

1569
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,279
scuttle bit around town was Alberto was an idiot, right,

1570
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,800
like he he is a piece of my favorite half brother,

1571
01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:06,159
Yeah Alberto, Yes, Like I guess right, you could make

1572
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:07,840
that case where it's like, oh, but like at the

1573
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,359
same time, even though Alberto was like, I'm gonna get

1574
01:10:10,399 --> 01:10:13,359
you o, Sofia, he was still like he didn't disown

1575
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:15,239
his dad. It seemed like, right, he was still hanging

1576
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:17,720
out with the family. So it's not like, oh man,

1577
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,479
he was one of us. Like I think Alberta was

1578
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,920
a piece of shit too, So but you know, I

1579
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,159
guess there could be that thread.

1580
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, big drops. Guy, I'm I'm gonna say fifty.

1581
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:35,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm gonna go over the fifty mark. I

1582
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:38,800
just think that she's so fucking good, Like she's such

1583
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,159
a gold mine. I agree, like why not, you know,

1584
01:10:41,319 --> 01:10:43,039
like like why not have her in there? You could

1585
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:45,680
even have like a quick little oh yeah blah blah blah,

1586
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,239
or like dealing with the penguin. I don't know, obviously

1587
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,000
make it a little bit cleaner than that.

1588
01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even then to that point, like they did say,

1589
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,359
like and I think it's funny when I rewatched The

1590
01:10:55,359 --> 01:10:58,359
Batman they talk about, you know, ah, the Marony drug bust,

1591
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,399
like the Maroni getting busted it and the whole Wayne foundation.

1592
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,079
It's a huge storyline that's only in like communication. You

1593
01:11:06,119 --> 01:11:08,439
don't see Maroni in that movie, Like it's just talked

1594
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,279
about how always a big deal. They got Maroni out

1595
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:12,720
so they could mention something. I think they just would

1596
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,960
have to. I don't know where they would, but they

1597
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,319
could find some sort of way to strain. And I'm

1598
01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:19,359
with you. I want her, like her to be Sophia

1599
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:21,159
on the big screen. I think she's earned it now.

1600
01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:25,359
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, ah, probably under the I'm probably forty

1601
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,760
nine percent. Now no, no, now, you mentioned that, I

1602
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:28,039
don't know.

1603
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:29,359
Speaker 1: I tried to be with you.

1604
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 4: I tried to, I know, but like the realism of it, right,

1605
01:11:32,039 --> 01:11:35,319
because like the fuck we're gonna have Paul Dano.

1606
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: Barry kyone, yeah, and then whoever the new villain is, right.

1607
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like, are we gonna spend time with Sophia?

1608
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,840
Probably not, like we already have a lot of focus,

1609
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:45,920
yeah to do otherwise, And I think it.

1610
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,199
Speaker 1: Will really depend once they announce who that villain is,

1611
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:51,720
because I feel like there's certain villains like someone to

1612
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,479
me like a hush that to me works because you

1613
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,119
know when they like they say the hush in the movie,

1614
01:11:57,239 --> 01:11:59,600
and like his the guy that made the who port

1615
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,920
about his mum. When arkhamis Thomas Elliott's dad, I feel like,

1616
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,560
because it's already been a little established in the previous movie,

1617
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,239
you might have more time. But if it's like a

1618
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:11,279
completely new villain that's like just joining into Gotham or whatever,

1619
01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:13,960
that's where it's like, eh, that might be a hard time.

1620
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:17,000
And I'm not sure like or does like Bruce just

1621
01:12:17,039 --> 01:12:19,239
go to Selena and then when he goes to Selena,

1622
01:12:19,319 --> 01:12:21,680
he just goes to her house and like Sophia is there,

1623
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,399
and that's like a little easter egg for like the

1624
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,439
next show, Like they don't even show she gets out,

1625
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,039
like they could do that. I just I think, I

1626
01:12:27,119 --> 01:12:29,279
mean too, like if she's in the movies, I don't

1627
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:31,560
think it's as like a massive role, even though I

1628
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,119
think she's earned it. With the character Betrave, I've love

1629
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:35,680
her to be. That's why I kind of wish he

1630
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,960
was just like another mobster, you know, like maybe I'll

1631
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,039
take it back when we get the Sofia Sophia's show,

1632
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:43,800
But I wish the same way Oz was in The Batman.

1633
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,520
I'd love it if Sophia just had a club or

1634
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,880
had something and she was in the mystery, but she

1635
01:12:48,039 --> 01:12:50,119
wasn't the main character. You could even have it tighten.

1636
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:52,479
But now it seems like she's lost all her power.

1637
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:53,600
So I feel like the only thing you could do

1638
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,239
with her is a revenge tale. You know. It's I

1639
01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:57,600
kind of wish she was just another mobster that Batman

1640
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,199
had to deal. It's like, fuck, I got rid of

1641
01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:01,600
one Falcona. There could be a push and pull because

1642
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,479
that is your sister, But then is that too much

1643
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,920
like the first movie, right where the push and pull,

1644
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,159
Carmine is, well, that's my dad, and then it's like,

1645
01:13:08,199 --> 01:13:11,439
well that's my sister. So it could get to Samsy

1646
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:11,880
there too.

1647
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,119
Speaker 4: Beman's just trying to get some answers out of Sophia

1648
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:20,359
showing up. Come on, you get the exact same scene,

1649
01:13:20,399 --> 01:13:21,439
but Sophia.

1650
01:13:21,239 --> 01:13:25,319
Speaker 1: Come on the whole movie and just do Falco on that.

1651
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,159
Put Hush in the river roll. You're good to go.

1652
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:31,439
So you're at forty nine percent Kirkland, Now.

1653
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be under the fifty Taylor.

1654
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: What's your percent for thinking she's gonna be in a movie?

1655
01:13:37,039 --> 01:13:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say twenty five percent.

1656
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: It's low.

1657
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,359
Speaker 3: I think you guys. Have you guys laid it all

1658
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,399
on the table. There's a lot of other contenders and

1659
01:13:46,399 --> 01:13:47,760
a lot of other things in this world, and now

1660
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,199
that we know that we're getting this this trilogy, it

1661
01:13:50,279 --> 01:13:52,039
doesn't give us a lot of rooms.

1662
01:13:52,119 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 4: So I.

1663
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:57,279
Speaker 2: He's got right.

1664
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you know what, maybe I have to think

1665
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,560
back on what we talked about with the news for

1666
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,760
the shows, because James Gunn squashed that Joker show, so

1667
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,960
it doesn't leave a lot of room for what else

1668
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:11,319
is going on and I just feel like I feel

1669
01:14:11,359 --> 01:14:14,239
like this is just this is out of James Gunn's umbrella,

1670
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,920
so I feel like it might not get I don't know,

1671
01:14:17,399 --> 01:14:18,880
I feel like he's biased. I feel like he's got

1672
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,560
his projects and he's like, oh yeah, they're doing this

1673
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,880
thing that wasn't my it wasn't my uh can of worms.

1674
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,239
So I'm gonna I'm gonna.

1675
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,399
Speaker 2: Limit what their future commandos.

1676
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:33,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, Yeah, I think I I think that conversation will.

1677
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,159
I think it all depends on how Superman goes. I

1678
01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:39,520
think if Superman is a massive, massive hit, then I

1679
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,680
think that makes James Gun's pitches a lot easier to like, oh,

1680
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,000
you know, like do we gotta do this much for

1681
01:14:44,079 --> 01:14:45,920
the Batman? But I think it's Superman is just like

1682
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,039
does under the Batman or even underperforms. I think he

1683
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:51,600
can still be the president DC Studios, but I think

1684
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,159
the higher ups will still be like, yeah, but you

1685
01:14:53,239 --> 01:14:55,560
gotta keep this this thing going over here. I don't know,

1686
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,640
at least like the thing is like even look at

1687
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,920
the Batman, like that's still too like pretty much too

1688
01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:02,840
years away. It's not like there's another full universe, right,

1689
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,279
It's like one project out of a bunch thattle coming right,

1690
01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:08,760
So I think that's the case. So I still think

1691
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,680
I don't know. My hope is with Matt Reeves talking

1692
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,640
about that they're planning on doing more shows, I hope

1693
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:17,039
it's a situation of they've talked and yeah, that sounds good,

1694
01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:18,800
not like I'm gonna put this out here and hope

1695
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,680
people just fucking badger James Gunn because like again him

1696
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,079
saying the Joker Show is not real, I don't think

1697
01:15:23,119 --> 01:15:25,680
he's just not like, fuck Matt Reeves, there's no Joker Show.

1698
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,920
It might just be like, hey, these reports weren't true.

1699
01:15:28,279 --> 01:15:30,600
So my hope, like, and that's why I can't wait

1700
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,600
till like James Gunn maybe or Creature Carmndals will have

1701
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,279
to He's gonna have to do press soon, and I

1702
01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:38,920
want people to have some questions. I'm done with them

1703
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:41,399
answering the Instagram stuff. I want him to ask some

1704
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,319
stuff like this, like, hey, yeah, these shows that plan

1705
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,840
Like I don't know if anyone's ever asked them straight

1706
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,880
up or if he has an answered, because that's the

1707
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,880
other the Instagram stuff, right. He always is very like

1708
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,600
picky with what he answers I'd like some as to say, hey,

1709
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,359
is the plan still do a full trilogy and have

1710
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,159
him say yes. Now, of course, I guess you can

1711
01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:59,319
just say, you know, he said that he planned to

1712
01:15:59,319 --> 01:16:01,680
work with Ben Aff and that didn't fucking happen, right,

1713
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,560
so it doesn't. I'm not calling Jens gonna lie. I'm

1714
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,079
not being the fucking red I thumb now, but like

1715
01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:07,520
you could easily, oh, well, plans change. You know, he

1716
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,640
fucked my wife and I didn't want to make Batman

1717
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,479
three anymore. But that's not gonna happen. Matt Reeves is

1718
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,479
a good guy. Uh, let's see says do you think

1719
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,600
the way they use Eve Carlo here rules up bar uh,

1720
01:16:19,279 --> 01:16:22,720
Basil Carla as clay Face in the future. I'm less

1721
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,680
inclined now because I thought fully, but I think we

1722
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,359
might just like even if Hush doesn't get used with

1723
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,479
Thomas Elliott, with this with Sophia, I think, and it's

1724
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,119
not a bad thing. I think like Matt Reeves just

1725
01:16:35,279 --> 01:16:38,039
likes using characters that have been a socian Batman stuff,

1726
01:16:38,119 --> 01:16:39,840
right if we don't get like I'm not saying payoffs,

1727
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,720
but it's not more I think because nothing massive happened

1728
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,239
with Eve, I don't see clay Face. I think I'd

1729
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:47,279
pitched like a few episodes in the season. Like imagine

1730
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:50,239
if Penguin gets her killed and that makes a guy

1731
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,640
like that guy becomes some sort of serial killer or

1732
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,239
something like that, right, like he wants to take down

1733
01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:57,800
the mob, similar to Ridler and Batman. But I I

1734
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,880
don't see it now. Even though I would love, as

1735
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,359
we you know, check out our Cape crusairer review that

1736
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,000
episode two or three with Clayface. I would love to

1737
01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:08,319
have that in matt Ree's hand on the big screen,

1738
01:17:08,399 --> 01:17:11,920
the whole like theatrical stuff, actor, the old Hollywood, Like,

1739
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:16,199
I think matt Reeves would fucking destroy with that. But uh,

1740
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:21,239
I'm gonna say it's not Clayface right now. That's what

1741
01:17:21,279 --> 01:17:23,520
we'll say. How are you guys?

1742
01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I don't know.

1743
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 4: I I feel like if it's if it comes out

1744
01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:33,479
like Basil Carlo is a big thing in Batman two

1745
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:34,279
with Clayface.

1746
01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 2: I I don't know. I feel very uncertain on this.

1747
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 4: I feel like, Okay, we have the character so that

1748
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,479
there's there's some seeds in there for some family, right

1749
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,039
like like she like she has a family out there,

1750
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:50,720
but it's not like very obvious, like pointing in that direction.

1751
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,000
So as of right now, if I had to make

1752
01:17:53,039 --> 01:17:56,159
a guess, I would say lower than my my Sophia prediction,

1753
01:17:56,319 --> 01:17:57,800
less than forty nine percent.

1754
01:17:58,399 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's why I fin it's like a Penguin

1755
01:18:00,079 --> 01:18:02,079
season two. I believe it because it's like, well, that

1756
01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:05,039
character's still round. You got Sofia, maybe that, but I

1757
01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:07,520
don't think so. But again, I hope we find out

1758
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,399
now that Penguin's done. I hope we start getting some

1759
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,560
Batman news here soon. I just want I just want

1760
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,199
to fucking know the main film. That's really one of

1761
01:18:13,279 --> 01:18:15,000
the rest of stuff whatever, but I want to know

1762
01:18:15,119 --> 01:18:16,760
who who's the main battie.

1763
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna go twenty four percent. I think

1764
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,319
it's just one of those things where you just have

1765
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,239
a name and you're just playing up the universe in

1766
01:18:25,359 --> 01:18:28,279
this giant sandbox and just trying to, I don't know,

1767
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,239
stoke the fire a little bit for the fans, and

1768
01:18:30,279 --> 01:18:33,399
I think that's great. I love little cameo nods and

1769
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:36,800
Easter egg little things like that and this show, and

1770
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:38,439
like you try to said they were doing a season two,

1771
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,399
I would absolutely feel like, Okay, that level has gone

1772
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:44,880
up because I mean, she's so prominent with Oz and whatnot,

1773
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,520
and you probably have Batman in a season two of

1774
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,479
The Penguin or something like that. But I think, though,

1775
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,800
with not knowing what we're getting for future shows, but

1776
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:57,159
just knowing for certain we're getting two movies, I think, yeah,

1777
01:18:57,239 --> 01:18:58,920
I just think it's the same thing with Sofia. There's

1778
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,479
not a lot of time to really explore that. And

1779
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,920
if ultimately we do only get two movies, then I

1780
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,520
would I feel like, Okay, well, Sophia's gonna appear on

1781
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:11,079
the big screen before uh, Basil does, so.

1782
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: Let's call him. Let's call him clay Face. I don't

1783
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,319
like call him Basil, and and I feel like it's

1784
01:19:16,399 --> 01:19:19,880
kind of like whatever the show's got shot down. I

1785
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,399
feel like it's obvious that, Okay, Joker at least one

1786
01:19:22,399 --> 01:19:23,720
of these movies, and I don't think we think it's

1787
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:25,239
gonna be two. So I think we all assume, kay,

1788
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:28,079
if we get this trilogy part three happens, we assume

1789
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:30,279
Joker and maybe Joker in a group of bad guys

1790
01:19:30,319 --> 01:19:32,600
as the villain. That kind of makes just only one

1791
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,520
more bad guy for two, right, Like as a main

1792
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,960
one because I feel like Joker has that already covered,

1793
01:19:39,039 --> 01:19:40,600
so I don't know, and I hope it's not like

1794
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,000
No Way Home where even though there's rumors of villain,

1795
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:44,880
they never like fully confirmed we have, like that first

1796
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,680
teaser anything which I could see him doing, like, oh,

1797
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:48,800
he's just cast as an antagonist. I hope we get

1798
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,920
a I hope we get the confirmation. But is there

1799
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,239
anything else on the show before we drop a final

1800
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:55,439
rating and review here?

1801
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,199
Speaker 4: I forgot to mention it earlier with the scene and

1802
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,880
Cobb's mom stabs him. I liked how it went back

1803
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,199
to like the child actor of like seeking her killing

1804
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,920
like her own child like that that just it hit

1805
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,359
harder and shouts out to that child actor again like

1806
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,880
like man when he's like like ma, like what do

1807
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:15,119
you do?

1808
01:20:15,279 --> 01:20:16,600
Speaker 2: Like he's just like man, that's just a.

1809
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 4: Young Cob, Like he just does so good at the

1810
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,840
mannerisms and everything. But uh, yeah, I just wanted to

1811
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:22,399
shut that out.

1812
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,159
Speaker 1: Let's see here. Yeah, I don't think I had anything.

1813
01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:29,159
I'm just trying to think, but I think we cover

1814
01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:29,960
all tair or anything.

1815
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,359
Speaker 3: I got nothing, all.

1816
01:20:32,319 --> 01:20:35,199
Speaker 1: Right, tear LEAs off? What would you? Uh? Final thoughts

1817
01:20:35,279 --> 01:20:36,079
in a radio on the show.

1818
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 3: Final thoughts. This show absolutely blew my mind, blew my

1819
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,399
expectations out of the water, probably because I was going

1820
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:45,119
in with lower expectations because I just wasn't sure how

1821
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:47,600
I was going to feel about this kind of side

1822
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,159
of Gotham without Batman. I felt like, Okay, well, it's

1823
01:20:50,199 --> 01:20:52,840
a Gotham without Batman. What are we going to be

1824
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,399
doing here? But this did a great job and not

1825
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,880
being boring and being completely engaging and totally creating a

1826
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:05,039
love hate relationship with Oz. Colin is incredible as this character.

1827
01:21:05,279 --> 01:21:08,840
He sells them on every single tier. It's just a

1828
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,199
fantastic villain and I can't wait to see him come

1829
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:14,319
back and square off against Batman now being the King

1830
01:21:14,399 --> 01:21:16,840
of King of the Otham himself. So it'll be very

1831
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,600
interesting to see um start to finish. This show is great.

1832
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,600
I'm gonna give it a solid ten out of ten.

1833
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:26,560
Speaker 1: Whoa ten out of ten? Wait you mister.

1834
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 2: Patzer hot to Molly?

1835
01:21:28,399 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'm gonna go ten at ten as well.

1836
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:36,439
I had some issues with this finale, not even really,

1837
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,760
I'm just gonna say some moments in this finale. I

1838
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,960
think the finale was still good but like, man, what

1839
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:44,399
a show. Every single episode I felt like was just

1840
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,640
like a ten out of ten. Even if this episode

1841
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,600
like wasn't a ten out of ten, like nine point five,

1842
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,279
I feel like the average is still like nine point

1843
01:21:50,359 --> 01:21:53,680
nine nine nine nine, So it like it's just so spectacular.

1844
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,439
Performances were fantastic, the it was truly nice to have

1845
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,880
like like accurate one hour episod so it's every week,

1846
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,720
you know, not just like a forty three minute or

1847
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,760
or something like that, Like like we had a lot

1848
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,800
of time, even though you know, I wanted another episode,

1849
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,439
I'm just kind of a glutton because it is so

1850
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,720
good that the show is so good, and yeah, I'm

1851
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:19,720
I'm so happy it happened. And if if if Batman

1852
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,479
two potentially under I don't even want to say that

1853
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,279
it underperforms. Let's let's just go off of the assumption

1854
01:22:26,359 --> 01:22:29,079
it's going to overperform. Just keep giving us shows out

1855
01:22:29,079 --> 01:22:31,079
of this universe. I think it's so fantastic. Give us

1856
01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:33,720
a show about that cop with a really interesting voice, the.

1857
01:22:35,359 --> 01:22:37,239
Speaker 1: Guy I'm looking at this guy's picture's death.

1858
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 2: I think voice was in this episode. He was on

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01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,239
the news. Yeah, it was nice to hear him again.

1860
01:22:42,399 --> 01:22:45,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're arrested. But yeah, look I got him

1861
01:22:45,039 --> 01:22:46,359
to look after Victor's death.

1862
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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, just just the whole season him looking

1863
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:50,760
into Victor's death.

1864
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,279
Speaker 1: Just because he hates Batman. Gordon, I think that Batman

1865
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:59,720
did a gym and I did Man get out of here? Yeah,

1866
01:22:59,760 --> 01:22:59,880
I know.

1867
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Speaker 2: The show's it is so good. It was so so good.

1868
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Speaker 4: And it was really really sweet to see Christine Miliotti

1869
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,399
in a role like this because I had only really

1870
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,479
seen her as being the Mom and How I Met

1871
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,319
Your Mother and then which obviously is like a very

1872
01:23:13,399 --> 01:23:18,199
mindful role, very comedic type position. And then the movie

1873
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,159
she did with Andy Samberg Palm Springs, which is like

1874
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:22,399
comedy type thing.

1875
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Speaker 2: So it was all right, but like, definitely this.

1876
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: Is like take I hear everybody say it's great, rom

1877
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,239
com interesting, Okay, yeah, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.

1878
01:23:32,279 --> 01:23:35,279
Then when you've you've also seen another thing. She was

1879
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,680
Leo's wife originally a Wolf of Wall Stream. Yeah that's.

1880
01:23:40,079 --> 01:23:40,359
Speaker 5: Girl.

1881
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, cocaine and Margot Robbie's tits. So yeah, that's how

1882
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:44,920
she was.

1883
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 4: And but lady, you forgot about her, but no, yeah,

1884
01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:50,439
just to see her like really be used to her potential.

1885
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,960
I think in in this in this show, and they

1886
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,000
did a good good job with a great writing around

1887
01:23:55,039 --> 01:23:55,640
her and everything.

1888
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,560
Speaker 2: So two thumbs, two thumbs for this one.

1889
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,039
Speaker 1: Ten thumbs. If yeah, but yeah, I will fall, I'll

1890
01:24:02,079 --> 01:24:04,680
go ten out of ten. I feel a little rocky

1891
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,319
on it because I want to rewatch the show. I

1892
01:24:06,399 --> 01:24:08,800
think there's a few things that were I don't know

1893
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,760
if this works the best or maybe it's a little rush.

1894
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:12,680
I don't know, but it's one of these things where

1895
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,640
I've said before, when majority of the product is very,

1896
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,119
very good, then you kind of can look past some things,

1897
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:21,119
right And even overall, I still feel like things I

1898
01:24:21,159 --> 01:24:24,479
thought were rushed or maybe not the smoothest, they still

1899
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,560
stuck the landing for the most part and made it

1900
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,560
work for all the characters. I feel, all the characters

1901
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:36,039
I feel satisfied with the conclusion of their stories. And

1902
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:37,680
that's even the biggest thing too we talk about, not

1903
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,600
that I have this word with HBO and everything like that,

1904
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,520
but just like even the finale for me, for the

1905
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,479
most part, stuck the landing, which again, how many comm

1906
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:46,399
book Geek shows that we talked about where the finales

1907
01:24:46,399 --> 01:24:48,479
are always a problem, right, And that's a big attestament

1908
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,359
to the usually at least forty five minutes sometimes hour

1909
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,560
long episodes. Cinatography was great here. Of course, it's not

1910
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,520
looking like The Batman. It's not Greg Frasier, it's not

1911
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,720
like that production budget. But I think it's a better

1912
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,720
look then some other comic stuff. We get performances out

1913
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,000
the ying yang another just like a great flesh out

1914
01:25:05,039 --> 01:25:08,199
to Gotham where now, even watching The Batman, I view

1915
01:25:08,359 --> 01:25:11,680
Victor or No, I don't view at all. I view

1916
01:25:12,199 --> 01:25:15,000
Oz so much differently than I did the first go around,

1917
01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:18,319
even just like his scenes, like him and Carmine when

1918
01:25:18,359 --> 01:25:20,920
they're interacting, He's like, oh, there's so much like there's

1919
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:26,680
so much good just history here, there's so much a

1920
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,840
missing a word, but it's just like a wealth of

1921
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,560
goodness that has like come to the Batman universe here

1922
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,119
and there's it's so much more fleshed out, That's what

1923
01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:37,439
I was saying, And you just feel more fulfilled you watching.

1924
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,239
So I don't know what is next. Hopefully we get

1925
01:25:39,279 --> 01:25:40,760
some sort of show because I think you can just

1926
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,359
add to this more. And yeah, it's gonna be a

1927
01:25:43,399 --> 01:25:45,079
long wait, but I hope we get some news to it.

1928
01:25:45,079 --> 01:25:47,039
But yeah, the show overall, I mean, I choose be

1929
01:25:47,079 --> 01:25:48,760
more positive because my that'st thing where I have a

1930
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,600
little nitpicks. But when I go on the enjoyment level

1931
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,520
as a full ten, and I think what they did

1932
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,439
at the end was they gave Oz you know everything

1933
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,800
you know was else with Cherry's on top. Oz got

1934
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,640
a great story. And as I said, I want Batman

1935
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,279
a fuck kneecap him, and I hope when the trilogy

1936
01:26:02,399 --> 01:26:04,359
ends that he which just show because no one closed

1937
01:26:04,359 --> 01:26:06,640
off all his loops. Help when the trilogy ends that

1938
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,600
Oswald is I don't think dead. I want him to

1939
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,359
be locked up. He's like he just like yeah, sure

1940
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,359
death could be something, but I think he's a guy

1941
01:26:14,359 --> 01:26:16,560
I would like to see, like he gets locked up

1942
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,239
for the next like thirty four years his life. It

1943
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:19,800
needs to be stuck in Like I don't want what

1944
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,760
Sophia got on Arkham. I want him to get that treatment,

1945
01:26:23,079 --> 01:26:25,399
like just like all that stuff like I and his

1946
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,479
doctor's Julian rush, Like that's a full circle moment, you know.

1947
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,239
Speaker 3: Like from your sister.

1948
01:26:33,399 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: Eve.

1949
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:34,279
Speaker 4: No, but.

1950
01:26:36,079 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 1: I want him to go down. I don't know which movie,

1951
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,119
but I hope he has a very terrible time in

1952
01:26:41,239 --> 01:26:43,600
Arkham so and I think that's the great job of

1953
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,199
a villain show. So yes, we have done it. We

1954
01:26:47,279 --> 01:26:49,560
have reviewed the Penguin serious. Like I said, six hundred

1955
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,279
and eighty nine days to go to The Batman. But

1956
01:26:51,319 --> 01:26:53,000
if you like what we talk about here, when that

1957
01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:55,680
stuff comes out, the cast and the trailers, everything, the

1958
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,840
comic cons, we will be here covering it. We love

1959
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,399
the Batman, people love when we covered. That's our second

1960
01:27:01,399 --> 01:27:03,880
biggest episode all the time, So I'll be excited. It's

1961
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,399
gonna be It's gonna be a long wait, but at

1962
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,359
least should be a fun should be a fun lead up,

1963
01:27:08,399 --> 01:27:10,399
and I'm excited for lots of newscasts and this is

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a good time. So thank you very much for everyone

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that tuned in, thanks to to hear from us. It'll

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not be boring. Bye bye by