Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the final
episode of the Penguin Reviews series. The series finale, I
am the number one color and famboy dress. I forgot
I was on VO. We've got to change it. But
he's back there. But you know, I'll just say I'm
the clown Prince of podcast. We're back in goth and
so I'll go with that.
Speaker 2: And I'm joined by I am the Matrix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am mos Boy Taylor Field mas Boy.
Speaker 1: So yes, as not by our nicknames, you get that.
But we're here. It's been seven weeks leading up, but
we're here to finally talk about the final episode of
the Penguin series. As of right now, looks like it's
that way. I've read a couple of interviews where Colin
Farrell's been like, yeah, like if there's something great for
season two, but he's also I read an interview where
he's like, I'm completely fine if I just do the
movies and nothing else, because he did say after this
he was like over the makeup and he said stuff
like in the Batman too. He's confirmed he had like
five or six scenes he signed on for Batman two
and three, so as right now, we're treating this as
the series finale for this show, and to end on
a good note. Who knows Trfield to end on a
good note for you?
Speaker 3: Oh man, I am just shocked at how things went.
There was probably only one one thing that was unfolding
this episode. I thought, Okay, this is gonna go this way,
But as for the rest of it, I was caught
off guard. There were some hopes and dreams I had
that were good and some hopes and dreams that were crushed.
But all in all, it just seems it seems like
a pretty satisfied fitting end for this character. And as
much as you love him as a villain, you hate
him at the same time. And they really do a
good job in this episode by having both of that,
just and back to back scenes too of just where
you're rooting for him and then you're hating them, and
it's just absolutely crazy. Hell, they just go so hard
on this. And it was just such a silent episode,
mostly just no background music really, I mean there was some,
but obviously you're just hearing a lot of just the
acting coming.
Speaker 1: From the any silent episode episodes characters don't speak. It
was wicked. You couldn't be.
Speaker 3: But the way it ended, I I'm very very happy
with the ending. I'm really really happy. And the ending
just gave me a big chuckle, a big smile, and
a grin on my face, like, oh fuck, this is
this is wonderful.
Speaker 1: Worried.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure she was tearing up. I I can't confirm,
but yeah, but I'm pretty sure she was actually like
tearing up a certain part.
Speaker 2: So she's hiding around the corner.
Speaker 1: You done?
Speaker 2: Yeah, take it away, mister bats or. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think this was a pretty solid finale to have
for the show. I don't think it's perfect by any means,
and I definitely think that the this show could have
used another episode for my own personal opinion of just
like I think we could have spent some more time
on just spreading out some things in another episode as
well as like it was just such a great show,
so like, I definitely would have taken more episodes if
they were gonna give it to me. But yeah, I
don't think this was a perfect rounding out of the story,
so we'll definitely go into that when we get into that.
But I think the stuff that's been like just a
masterpiece throughout the whole series remain that way, like in
this episode, Like, my issues aren't with a performance or
anything like that.
Speaker 2: It's it's mostly just I think how.
Speaker 4: They decided to round it out.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just got some grievances with that, and I don't know,
maybe just talking it out with you guys, it'll smooth
it over and I won't feel that way.
Speaker 2: But we'll wait and see for that. But yeah, I
agree Taylor with your.
Speaker 4: Like more of a quieter finale, like like it seemed
like it wasn't as like high octane orchestral like in
the Sound Apartment, But I think it actually, I think
it fit very well of just hitting in those like
in your emotions and just just the gut punch moments.
I think they hit more because of the like the
lack of sound. There was some some big like mic
drop type moments that happened in this episode that was
pretty pretty fucking crazy honestly to like just just to
see that on screen, especially because it's been like a
big build up like what's going to be happening here
in the finale and then for what we got, I.
Speaker 2: I like, I still think the moment's hit, but I
just still.
Speaker 4: Think that it could have been a little bit better.
And yeah, overall though it was it was, it was
definitely good. And I I like the little you know,
Easter Egg cameo, whatever the hell we're gonna be calling it,
that happened. You know, that's a little little spoiler something
if you haven't seen the episode yet, that's maybe some
incentive to go in there. They don't get too excited,
you know, it's it's not it's not Henry Cavill, Superman
or anything.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 1: Imagine and we're going to show up Penguin. I need
your help. And just like what the.
Speaker 2: Fun first thing tomorrow morning, all the news outlets just go,
oh Manman.
Speaker 1: James kind of like I couldn't use him here, but
I wanted to put him. I told that reason he
had to use him. I said, if you want your trilogy,
you have to use Henry Cavill's Superman. And then like
Batman kills him like opening scene of part two, you know,
just like not like easily easily, but all right there
we go. So uh, yes, yeah, I think I'm pretty
happy with this. I think I had some issues last
week that bled over to this one. But like honestly,
I think they were. I'm still thinking they're in like
the nitpick category, but I think it it did its
job for what I wanted, where we got a clear size,
great kind of new origins. It is also it's origins
story because we had lots of flashbacks last week and
even this week, right, So I feel like, in a
sense it is an origin story. It's setting us up
great for a part two where ah, there's some stuff
I want to say, but I don't even want to spoil,
like even hint about that stuff. But I think they've
put ows on a trajectory that I really like, something
that really is kind of in my wheelhouse. And I
think they did a great job. I think all the
characters got satisfying ending. Some got very tragic endings. I
think even stuff like Julian Rush, who have been busting
his balls for the past five episodes, they finally were like, hey,
here's his purpose. I was like, oh, great, okay, like that,
like there's some other stuff with him, but at least
there's stuff like that, stuff that retroactively, I go, what
we do in here? And now we got some answers, right,
So I think there's some stuff that's still a little easy.
I think it's all. I think it's sometimes not because
the show. I think it's probably because it's or sorry,
it's not the writing. It's sometimes because it's the show
budget and there's only so much they can do. So
kind of like a couple episodes ago, when you know,
Sal showed up with two guys that take over the
Hope operation, I had a moment like this again where
I'm like, this feels a very easy and it feels
like we're kind of ending this confrontation in quite a
just uh, and then this happened to happen. It's like, Okay,
I guess that works out, but overall, still great show.
I know we've said before, but the two may I
keep forgetting her fucking name. It's Christina Christine, What the
hell is her name? Because it's Christine Miliot. So her
just phenomenal. Like again, also people outfiting her this this episode,
she had great stuff going Wow, what was that moan
on air? It's just like, holy shit, I'm gonna cal
I'm at it. So it's like you are sick, You're bastard,
you objectifying women's Christina. That dress isn't s amazing. No,
both are good, but no, she what I don't care.
Speaker 4: The whole show honestly, Like I feel like watching this episode,
I'm like, I feel like I've done a misservice. I'm
not bringing it up, more of like the costume design
specifically for her.
Speaker 1: She's just fantastic, like throughout the whole show. But yeah,
what they have her in the dance club. My goodness,
she's looking very very good. And to put that to side,
because that's just like an asterisk, like, oh, that's a
nice thing to see. Just again, another phenomenal performance. She's
been this way the whole show. All these people have,
but this was a top tier episode. There's one scene
in the middle of this episode I slept, man, she
had such a great job. And then yeah, Colin Farrell.
Again I agree with Mike. I have to sit back
and think about this. But other people have said this,
like I agree the sentiment like when I think of Joker,
I think of you, Fledgend. I think we've talked about
this before. When I think I'm Penguin, I'm gonna think
of Colin Farrell. And I think you could make a
case that he is number two behind Ledger, like I
have a saft spot in my heart for Michelle Feiffer,
and I think she's a fantastic catwoman, so I'd have
to think about that. But like I put him above
even Dano, I'd put him above Hardy. I've put him
in a Jack's Joker, like he is just this character.
He's just a show. Of course, he got eight hours
to do it, but still you gotta bring that performance
and such a layered performance in Colin Farrell, Like I now,
we won't be unfortunately talking about his penguin again for
another six hundred and eighty nine days, gentlemen, that's in
the battle too. But no, it's just he's done such
a phenomenal job. And this was another episode that I imagine
they're gonna try to go for some Emmys, and I
feel like this was an episode that did everything where
you see the shitty penguin, you see a little funny pinguin,
but not too much this episode because of finale. You
see the heartbreaking penguin, you see the friend penguin, and
see the mob boss like you see everything and just
the pathetic version. You see everything Colin Ferrell can do.
So obviously we've talked abot as many times, but just
like watching this, it's just it's just so impressive what
he's been able to accomplish with this, and just a
kudos to them. And yeah, so like overall when we
get away from the series, I don't know I'm rating
it at the end, but as far as uh, you
know what we talk about, Like you know, DC, you
had a couple of these with Peacemaker, MSU had one
of these. Like I think this is the best version
of a show that's connecting to a movie. It's its
own thing but also doesn't feel like homework. I think
they hit a home run on this show. So Matt
Reeves and comp is definitely two for two. Very excited
for the Batman two and whatever show gets announced. I
hope we get more news on that. But I think
they they accomplish what they're gonna do and they created
a great kind of villain show. So anything else non
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Solo review.
Speaker 3: Maybe I hope I might be seeing that. I might
be seeing it. Maybe we'll talk night as Gladiator?
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So we appreciate the support. Uh Where let's start, kirkha
what what's your first uh morning year? Do you have
multiple issues? Do you have one big issue? I'm gonna
let you have the floor. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think my issue my issues maybe better way to
phrase it is kind of around the stuff between Oz
and his mom and Sofia. Like that scene, very very
powerful scene really really intense acting, acting fantastic percent. You know,
costume design amazing, Christine phenomenal.
Speaker 1: At first, I thought the thing that was in like
her cleavage was a mistake. I'm like, oh, like it's
a scarf, and it's like, oh no, that's a choice.
It's like a little boob.
Speaker 2: I I haven't get him that before that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get one of those in the summer when
I take top, so I can't wait.
Speaker 2: Cover your boob.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 4: Like the scene between him and Vic, like like like
that moment, it's the biggest, basically the biggest moments in
this entire show, and they're very powerful. I was like
basically tearing up with the Vic moment as well, but
I still felt like it was just an easy send
off for this character. I think it's because leading up
to this moment, we were theorizing on like Vic's gonna
fuck up. He's gonna do something that just makes the
penguins snap, and then that's gonna make him kill him.
You know, it's it's Vic's fault why his mom was captured,
or maybe it was Vic's fault why the why the
backup didn't get there in time? Like he fucked up
some way, and then Penguin's gonna snap and then murder
this fucking guy really viciously. Honestly, by the end, Like
up until that moment, I'm like, Vic's gonna make it
out of the show. Taylor was right, he fucking predicted it.
I'm one hundred percent convinced Victor is gonna get out
because is like so impressive him and it's the one
guy that he can rely on, and I, you know what,
I guess the current counter argument is just gonna be that's.
Speaker 2: Just because Penguin's that fucked up and and but.
Speaker 4: Like it just doesn't feel like consistent in that way.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Let let's just start with a Vic one and then I'll,
you know, I'll talk about the other scene after. But yeah,
for that one, I was just a little bit unstatist,
even though I still was emotional. And it's mostly just
because I was thinking about our whole adventure of this
entire season and now I'm like, oh my god, this
character is done, and just thinking about all the moments
that him and Penguin.
Speaker 2: Have had together.
Speaker 4: But I still just felt like it wasn't as clean
as maybe I was expecting it to be, but I
don't know, how do you guys feel?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I had to hashtag Tress told you, Taylor,
you episode one, You're like, Victor's gonna go. You're gonna
make it one. I just didn't think we'll talk about
Sophia after. I still just always saw it from a
practical level. They want to make it so you don't
have to watch the show, right, because if Victor he's
gonna like if Carlin Farrell says, hey, I got five
to six scenes in The Batman and they're not doing
Penguin season two, it's just like then one is Victory's
just gonna be a bodyguard guy, like Penguin's not gonna
be the main veil. So always saw a practical level
that's gonna happen. And then to me, I always saw
he was gonna die. But I asked you, Taylor a
couple was it last week when they show the flashback
of his I'm like, he killed his fucking brothers. Victor's
not keeping it And see I bought into the I
was fine with this. There's some stuff I have in
the issue. In the moment, I think, yeah, that scene
could have been drawn out or we could have had
another episode. But still the Victor thing I believed, I
think they did in a way so they could still
kind of shock you that you think he was gonna
make it out and it was just this nice little
moment and then he took a vantage out to take
him out. But I kind of understood where if you
look at every single one of Penguin's issues this season
was with his mom, right, his mom getting kidnapped, Sofia
having his mom, Like if he didn't have that, the
only time he did was at the beginning where they
thought he killed Alberto, and he got out of that.
Once that was gone, he was pretty scott free. He
was making deals. But when Sophia got his mom and
the involved, that's where he was kind of fucked, right,
So I bought it on that level where because this
back half the season was all I gotta get my mom,
can get my mom, get my ma? This was like, Okay,
my ma's like safe, but like I don't even know
if anyone's gonna kidnap her now because she's like a vegetable,
So it's like, what are you gonna Like I guess
you could, right, but like still like it's not the same,
and then Victor is the only like the only string there,
and I guess it shows how much Oz actually ended
up liking Victor, because I still thought, oh, we couldn't
he still just be a lackey that you kind of like, Okay,
he's with you now, but you kind of keep to
the side and everything. But I guess it's just showing
that Penguin did really take a liking to him that
was not fake. So he has to take him out
because he doesn't want people to be like, oh, he's
really close with that one guy. Take him out. So
I guess now he just wants to be full. He's
becoming the full Penguin mob boss where he cares about
no one. So I did buy the by the kill,
and I was happy for myself. I'm not for Victor.
He great guy and all, but you know, it's still
he's still criminal.
Speaker 2: Taylor, Emily's crying next to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other point before Tyr goes what I
will get to the mum. But this finale to me,
like I've always said, that's why with Dexter breaking bad,
all the show should end with Okay, they gotta lose
in the end, they gotta die now with this very
different We'll get to the end shot later, but to me,
the losing is okay, I'm in two or three, like
it has to happen there. We're not gonna get another season.
But this made me. Now when we talked about, hey,
we've seen his origin and even then, I don't even
think he's like a good guy, Like I can't even
root for him to begin with, but now especially, it's like, Okay,
Batman needs to take this piece of shit down, Like
this guy's a fucking asshole, he's a criminal. You can't
he's taking out Victor. Victor is this nice kid who
is still a criminals? Still a nice kid? All right,
I'm all down for Batman to fucking break his jar
or break his other foot, Like I'm rooting for Bruce
now to fuck this guy up, you know, and like
put him in crime. Don't exactly just like battering to
the feet everything like that, but yeah, that's what I mean.
So he just yeah, but yeah, let's uh, you can
give your last rights to a victor. You're pulling for
him the whole season. You're crying.
Speaker 3: No, I wasn't crying there, Madison was crying. I I
really was surprised because I thought, like this the scene
was going good and everything, but it hits that point
where okay, it's going on long and it's like, ah shit,
here it comes the context of it.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it took me by surprise. And and I mean
Madison said like, oh, you know, it's because he said family.
I'm like, you know, that does have some foundation to it,
because Victor was just fessing like yeah, like you're like family, yeah, yeah.
And when he said that Oz, when Oz took a
deep like sigh and was like, fuck, why do you
have to say that, Because that's where I don't want
that And because you said that, now I got to
eliminate that because I can't deal with any more this
this like family losing scenarios and whatnot. It just hurts him.
So I mean, if that conversation happened later on instead
of just directly post mom becoming like post stroke, I
think that it would have gone a different route. But
I think it was just the just the situation and
the timing, and Victor definitely played his hand wrong. I
thought that there was a lot of foreshadowing here, and
I thought we were going to get Oz killing Victor
because Oz was afraid the Victor would do what everyone
else did. When we got the whole sequence of all
like the deputies turning on their leaders and killing them,
I thought that Oz was thinking, you know what, Victor, like,
you took initiative, you did all this and I can't
have that, and it was thinking you could do that
to me. I thought that would be kind of the
way that he would go about it. But no, it's
just the just the family and Oz is emotional, so
there's that. But yeah, it's it's a shame. I was
looking forward to seeing Victor pop up in Batman Part
two and Batman.
Speaker 1: Just like where's It's just beat beat the ship at him.
Speaker 3: It's a face to face between Batman and Victor. But
we're not getting that.
Speaker 2: You imagine he makes it out of the show.
Speaker 4: We're just like talking about this for like an hour
plus about Victor and his inclusion of Batman too. What's
gonna happen for six hundred days we're seeing Yeah, six
hundred days later.
Speaker 2: First, where is he?
Speaker 1: I didn't used to kill, but how sing your bitch face?
I'm just said I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Kill You're my first murders, so.
Speaker 1: It's a free victor. I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: We're all like Batman begins drops the guy from the roof,
like such a likable character.
Speaker 2: We're all like, oh, Vic, what's gonna up in here?
And then just opening sequence of that man, you.
Speaker 1: Gonna kill joker? No I need him, No, no, just
I already told your OSSes, I'm sorry and just lets
it go. But uh yeah, so yeah, r P to
Vic and he has gone.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you guys bring up some good points.
Speaker 4: And I feel like, for like, especially now that I'm
just I don't know, hearing your thoughts and I'm ready
for my counter argument here. I feel like because I
had it so like theorized that Vic was gonna fuck
something up. I thought that because okay, because Penguin isn't
addressing any any of his fuck ups. And it's like, no,
it's not on you, you know, like this is just
the way the business goes. He just was really leading
me in that direction, like okay, forgiveness, this makes sense.
And then when they're sitting down on the bench and
he's like talking about his mom and I'm like, man,
this is crazy, Like there's there's no reason for him
to kill him right here, like like.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: So he's he's ever gonna kill him and I'm hate
it doesn't make any sense, or he's just gonna live on.
But then he killed him, and I think I just
I just had it like breed determine my mind and
then and then.
Speaker 2: It switched and I was just upset.
Speaker 4: But definitely, I mean it makes sense for just going
forward because like especially where Cobb is in like the
whole Penguin get up at the end, like this is
gonna be a completely different Oz going forward than where
he was the beginning of the show. Yeah, I feel
like that's just he just seems so much more like
psychotic too, like because of the mom stuff, Like we
haven't really talked about her yet, but like I just
feel like by the end of this it's like, Okay, no,
he's like a psycho now, like just this really deranged
relationship that he's had with his mom. It didn't felt that,
it didn't feel that fucked up like throughout the whole show.
Maybe in the flashbacks, like you're you're seeing that a
little bit more just because of what happens between Little
Laws and his brothers and the mom and everything like that.
But I just think throughout the whole show it wasn't
really there and then at the end and maybe that
just also adds the decision on why he has to kill.
Like he's only got room in his life for one
family member, right, he killed his brothers and no, it's
just his mom. Even though she's a vegetable. In his mind, he's.
Speaker 2: He's still got her. He dances with her. It's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, Bruce, fine in there, what
the fuck are you doing? Oz? But like yeah, so
that we'll we'll come back.
Speaker 2: Victor lived on and he's like seeing I was like this,
he'd be like, dude, you got it, Like this is
not okay. That's maybe why would kill.
Speaker 1: I was this is where I knew, like I always
knew he's a goneor. But when he went, all was
because I guess. We'll get back to the mom. But
they established to get her out of there, and they say, oh,
she had a stroke, so she's you know, she's semi cognitive,
but she can't move. She you know, she's a vegetable
that is not in a comto state, but can still
see things clearly, experience emotions because later on she's crying.
I don't think for the reason. OZ thinks, but yeah,
she's in the penthouse that she always wanted looking over
got them penguin, Yeah, Kirk and says all in his
full get up there, and so it's everything you ever wanted.
She cries again. I don't think it's because she's happy
that she got her. I think it's just that, you know,
a couple of days she just said like this, you're
the worst thing that ever happened to me. And now
she's literally just stuck with Oz. But then Oz transitions
into the other room. We had to Eve back because
we did. I theorize. I was wondering if Eve and
i Ain even thought here. I thought Eve might bite
it because she gave him, uh, Sophia the information. Now
maybe Oz didn't think about that, and obviously Sophia never
revealed that. But I was like, oh, is he gonna
put two two together? And he's really closing the loose ends.
But no, it's something much worse, because he goes full
Norman Bates where And I guess because we talked about
this right where this is what she does, even Sophia
does where Eve she's a prosted, but she's a prostued
is like an actress, so she takes on you know
that always happens sometimes in sex work, but this is
more specifically tons of wigs outfits. So I'm am, I
has it been because you know, when Sofia asked a code,
you know, like, oh yeah, I know, like I know
what we are yet to you know, he knows what
I am. I know what he am. I to infer
that the entire time they've been hooking up, she has
always been pretending to be his mom or is this
a new thing?
Speaker 2: I think I think it's always been the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like never till this episode, it was
fucking crazy. It's like, how did not put two and
two together? And that was fun when she's rubbing a
show like I'm protty and my boy like oh and
she's like call me up, say it, proud of me,
and like it was like, oh boy, So now he's
having this woman. If people are just listening and see
the show he's having, I guess we all agree it's
been the whole time. Uh PROSEU pretends to be his
mom and I don't even know if they're I don't
even know if they're fucking. Well, they've kissed a couple
of times, so they're fucking. So it's a whole many
levels of of messed up. Oh and that's what I
was gonna say, but forgo, That's why I thought Victor
was dead because when they tell Oz about his mom's
state and the way he was crying and Victor's like
patting his back, I'm like, Penguin, wouldn't let anybody see this,
Like there's no fucking way, Like he's breaking down, and
great scene by Colin Ferrell. Colin Farrell's knocking that out
of the park, just saying like, say you're proud of
me before you go, just say like I've done this
all for you and everything. But like when he was
panting on the back, like, no, there's no way he's
he just saw Penguin. He was looking like Madison over
there crying. There's no way, there's no way. Uh, Victor
is being kept there. But yeah, Eve is she's doing
some quite a bit of stuff for money. You know.
Speaker 4: I kind of interesting that she was there as well,
because it seemed like she was completely done with Pang.
Uh yeah, with with Cobb, Like after Sofia kind of
gives her the revelation that like Penguin knew this whole
time that that Falcone was just like murdering these women.
And like obviously there was her friends and people that
are really close to her, and in that moment, like
she even like she sells them out right, like go
check out Crown Point. And that's where Sophia ends up
fighting her mom. Like that's that's like a big, big
betrayal there. And I thought that the next time that
we saw Eve it would be like addressing that, but
it's just this right, like this is the next time.
Speaker 2: We see here.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna wait until Penguin too. I think that
will come up at some point of like maybe that's
the downfall of Penguin, Like she is like a big something.
Speaker 1: That you think we're gonna get a season two.
Speaker 2: What did I say Penguin to It's gonna be his
movie now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said that's so comfidently, I was like, wack, okay,
you know I could see it. But Penguin too, but yeah, baman, yeah,
Batman focks her up too. It's just like he's no,
He's like, could you be my mom? Am my? Dad,
could you be him? Both?
Speaker 2: He brings Oz's mom home to keeps her vegetable.
Speaker 1: Look after Alfred please, just like I hate my bloody life,
I should have left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I like, maybe she's just not addressed again in Batman Too,
And to me, I I I'm gonna think that's kind
of a negative honestly on just that character in this show.
Speaker 2: Like if we just have those.
Speaker 4: Moments of her being close to Cobb, she breaks up
with him, and like early on the show, it doesn't
seem like it's like he owns her or anything like,
it seems like it's a mutual, respectful type relationship.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm kind of naive and thinking that.
Speaker 4: But at the end here I think that she's there
because Penguin is the guy that's kind of running the
show now, like she's probably there as well. Yeah she's
like a sex worker, but it's like she doesn't really
have a choice now she's kinda she's Cobb's mom now
tell the end.
Speaker 1: So that's the worst thing.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like, what what do you guys think
about Eve? And like, am I alone and just thinking
that there's some inconsistencies there of just I don't know,
like what what her character ended up being.
Speaker 1: You take it too Eve?
Speaker 3: Sorry? Was she the is that the name of the stripper?
Speaker 1: She's just a prost white sage Playface's daughter, sister, sister keeping.
Speaker 3: I honestly thought she was done out of the season
when Sophia had that conversation with her. I didn't think
she's gonna come back, because I lie, I totally forgot
that she was in there, because I thought I thought
that there would be a little bit more of a
having her back, a little bit more of a scene
with Oz kind of being pissed off at her because
they did not leave on good terms and she just
abandoned him and he was very pissed off about it.
So yeah, I would have thought it would have been
a little bit different, But I mean it fits fits
with how fucked up he is, and so I can
definitely take that and just added into it being a
very solid, good ending.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm torn on her because she because yeah,
she gave call. It's tough because yeah, I maybe need
a bit more because she she gave Oz up. But
at the same time, if he's now running Gotham and
he shows back up on our doorstep because at the end,
I can buy that he would go back because to me,
that's not like the thing like Victor, Like, of course
she pretends to be his mom, and I think he
likes that fetish and she will do that for him.
But I also think if he has a sacrifice her,
that's no problem at all for cob right, Like, I
think he'll do it, But I still think that he
after all of it, would show up on her doorstep,
and if she's if that happens, I don't think she's
in any position to say no. Now, there could be
a scene, but I think they wanted to have that
that surprise, not only that she's back, that she's playing
his mom, because I think it would be you might
kill some of that momentum he shows back and there's
a scene. So I kind of understand why in the
finale they wanted to wrap it up a bit more
so I guess I can kind of head canon that,
you know, just what else she gonna she's gonna say
no to, now the King bin of Gotham, you know,
like that's not gonna go well for her and stuff,
Like all of a sudden, I imagine she's gonna put
two and two together that I'm sure he's just gonna
say Sophia kill Victor or something like that. But if
Sophia gave all that stuff about call before knowing okay,
yeah he knew about the hangman stuff, it did. I
think it's just a position. So maybe the I could
have showed her being a bit more scared and she
did have that moment with Sophia where she wanted to
go for you know, like, I'm supporting you in this
a little bit. But yeah, so I'm not sure, I'm
I'm I don't know where I am on it, per se.
I don't think it's the cleanest, but it's also something
that doesn't bug me too much. I can buy her
being back in that scenario, so that that's where I am.
Speaker 4: So I think I would have liked a little bit
more too, if it like showed like her hugging him
at the end and then just like a camera shot
of her like like with a tear or something like
this is just her like she's like in a prison now,
like right like she's like as yeah, exactly, more or less,
it would match, you know, the mom's crying, she's dressed
up like the mom she's crying like the mom just
to really, I don't know, add some like this character's
fucked up, this guy's evil, but ask her to.
Speaker 1: Once his mom's pass, asked her to stay in the
bed the whole time. That's her. You gonna need this, Ben,
but yeah, so yeah, we'll see you. But I guess
we should talk about it now. But we did get
something because I guess. I guess, I guess because they
could have done the tier thing, but that's not what
they want us to focus on, right in this last shot,
because I did think they did a fun way to
set up, you know, talking about Gotham for a little
bit there, and then she said, well, there's nothing to
stop you now and like pan out of his place,
like I love when it's like, okay, you see, like
there's the right side of the screen is okay, it's
a sky, you know. I'm like, they gotta do it right.
And then the bat single hits so again that's scaling
the building going up to the balcony with Victor's body.
I was gonna kill him, but yeah, and then she
says nothing can stop me now boom back signal, And
I think that kind of the way we kind of
got that cold open in the Batman too, where he
took on those guys and the subway and everything like that.
Maybe that won't be Penguin, but I feel like that
might be the thing where because I kind of need
Batman to go after Penguin first, I can buy that.
We even talked about this last week where there's some
stuff I'm like, okay, where's out happened during the day,
this all that happened kind of underground very quickly. I
think Matt Reeves did give us the time that he
says it's three to four weeks, so a couple of
weeks ago when we were talking about like the time difference,
so it's been like a like a month in total,
don't know when and jump, but even this stuff right
like with the explosion that happened during the day and
then that same night, Sophia's back in jail and Penguin's
the kingpin, right, So that's where it's like, Okay, I
can kind of my hope would be all the shit
goes down and now this is the time that pass
and has to suit up. So yeah, my first stop
to me would be that he's there. But at the
same time, what they're sitting up for Penguin with him
being more dressed nicely, and he's gonna go try and
get and go with the mayor and everything like that,
which I feel like, I don't know how that's gonna go.
Like I feel like they made I can't remember her name,
Belle something, but the new mayor like a smarter woman,
So I'm gonna hope that she's just buying oz of
shit here or maybe I thought what we're gonna I
thought we're gonna get it a parted situation. I thought
he was gonna agree to be a an informant but
like not be touched when he was talking to that
other guy and the That's what I thought was gonna happen.
They didn't really they alluded to they didn't really say
that though, so I'm not sure that's gonna happen. But yeah,
we have the bat signal, so yeah, like I said,
that was exciting, but uh kirkuhn, do you agree? You
think that has to be this first stop? And the
Batman two is him at least taking out an operation
or something that OZ is moved up now you know?
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I think it would be a good like.
Speaker 4: Like add on to this show to like add some
significance to it as well, Like it feels like a
natural like point five in between you know, Batman and
Batman two, because yeah, definitely not going to be the
main threat.
Speaker 2: But I also hope it's not just like the opening.
Speaker 4: Like the cold opening is him just beating the ship
at a cop and that's just the end of it,
you know, like like I'm expecting like the first act
to kind of be like.
Speaker 5: That worse it's like the same fucking scenes from the
beat the shit out of him in the interrogation chamber.
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I I think that would be really
nice to to just kind of feel like there's I
don't know, maybe Batman wasn't just asleep the whole time
of this of these events, right, because there has been
a whole lot of crime.
Speaker 2: And stuff have been going on.
Speaker 4: We've we've talked about it on these reviews, especially with
like Sophia blowing up that whole block, Like it seems like, Okay,
Batman has to address some things here, and I just
wanted to feel like it is like a natural progression,
like I like going into Batman too. I want to
I want to be watching Batman and then Penguin and
then like jump into it and be.
Speaker 2: Like okay, nice. Like I feel like it just added
on to kind of everything I just wanted.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, day there we happy. Were you surprised? See
the bat signal?
Speaker 3: I was thinking, Okay, they're going to do something here,
and the bat signal is perfect. It is perfect send off,
and I thought, yeah, when we're panning out and he said, yeah,
there's or she said he said there's no one left
to stop you. Or did he say that, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: There's nothing nothing in your way.
Speaker 2: Now he says that.
Speaker 1: Make love me on top of mom.
Speaker 2: I hate this, but I think the tears that's what
I had.
Speaker 1: To pretend to be his mom, and then we had
sex on top with them. It's just the worst night
of my fucking life. My toes whin's Batman back, She's
the one that she's out there cranking the machine. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just think that his timing now is is definitely
late and delayed. I mean, there's a lot of ship
that happened that he could have been there a bit sooner,
but it.
Speaker 1: Was too many innocent people at least, right, so that
could have been another reason. He's like, these are all
ship people fuck each other over.
Speaker 3: True, but the Crown Point blew up and a lot
of people died. So that's that's what you're factor for me,
that's when he steps in. So when it's a major events,
then it's a big deal.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be investigating, fucking what's what's buddy's name that
Vic killed?
Speaker 2: That's gonna be the opening bat.
Speaker 1: Squid, what's up? Maybe it's Beyonce?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think uh, I think him him being an
action Now, they'll probably just heal him out from taking
that shotgun blast to the chest after his adrenaline kick
and the back was partially electrocuted.
Speaker 1: Because I just watched it again last night. Don't forget
that memory cuts, that wires he's part of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of ship that he's he's recoupering from.
But I'm just happy that we got the signal. It
was great. It's a good follow up. And now just
to know that his character needs to play Cob differently
because Gob is now counselman. I'm assuming he's a politician.
He's got a seat up there.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, would you assume that's a huge.
Speaker 3: Because he made He made that point with the other
camera's name, but the other counselman that he wanted to
be a part of this and in this, and so
the counselman is like, if you want to be in here,
they're going to screen you it subpoena you, like, you
need to really play your cards right and you get clean.
He's like, I can get clean. And so to me,
that's him playing both sides of the lawn.
Speaker 1: Yea, it is, but that's I didn't understand me. It's like, well,
they're gonna subpen you. It's like, well, usually feel like
it's a pen you know it. Actually'm not gonna say
anything because look at what just fucking happened last week.
I take it back. Convicted felons, convicted conpictied elans can
become mayors and uh senators and presidents all the time.
So you know, yeah, fuck it, you know, yeah, Penguin
could just be on the fucking board now. So I
think that's what they're going for. I would imagine. I
hope that he's not just like Bruce shows up to
an event and Penguin's there, But that would be a
way to get Penguin in the movie. For extra scenes
as well too, right, because I think that's what everyone's
It's it's so funny the juxposition we go because sometimes
we go, oh, there's not enough Batman in the movie,
and then people go, well the Batman, you know, he
was a Bruce Waynea, so we need that, Like you
gotta find that perfect mill ground, and that would be
a good place to have Bruce Wayne pop up with
some magala or some sort of fundraising event. And you
see Penguin there in his fucking top hat and he's like,
you know, squeezing baby's cheeks and he's doing all that
stuff and everything, which that's happened. Batman returns happening Gotham.
I'm sure it's happening comic books, like they always love
to do. The whole Penguin like gets close to being
a mayor or. She's not the mayor bell Real. I
think it's her name, Bell Real. I think just like one.
So I don't think it's that. I think, and that
would be my hope because I think it would be
very dumb if that mayor just trust him, because I
thought they were trying to make that mayor like the
change a part of the change for Gotham. But again,
we might have a big bad Harve in there, and
maybe he you never know how they play Harvey Dent, right,
and he could be like a more kind of like
what we got back in Kate Crusader, a bit more
on the what i'd say, shady side, So maybe he'd
be on. Yeah, he was an upstanding citizen, colonel, how
dare you say that? Just to point this out before
me on So it might said cruel sing Oz could
have done to his mom's keeper a lot of that, say,
after promise to kill her two episodes ago, she ended
up like that. Yeah, and we can transition there because yeah,
the moment she's seen that bat Singal, she's like, help me, man.
But I think it's two things. I think it's exactly
that Mike. I forgot about that actually, so good point
where she brought up I remember the beginning episode and
I forgebo in the review where she said, Hey, if
I read that state killed me, that's the worst type
of state we want, right, because we talked about that.
We're all the same like, yeah, I don't want to
live like that. But then I think it's like a
double because she was living in somewhat denial, not denial.
She knew what was happened, but she put herself in
a different state of mind to at least forgive her
son for what happened, which we'll talk about. But it
ended with like the last words that she said to
her son were all nothing but terrible stuff. I'm not
saying it wasn't deserved, but just saying you were mistake.
Every time I wake up in the morning, I feel
sick because I'm your mother, like all the worst shit
you could say to your child. But that's another thing.
In the beginning of this episode, I was like, man,
this one was a piece of shit too, because Mike
and other people have that theory that she knew that
he did. I did not think so at all. I thought, man,
and that's been all green with Kirkla where I feel
like that dynamic maybe needed one more episode because that
felt I feel this whole brother thing is a good
thing for Oz. I like it for Oz because it
adds another you know, especially with the whole Norman baitsing,
like it adds a different layer to him, makes him
even more shitty than want to seem taken down. But
did feel a tad rushed, but it still was good stuff.
So that's where I'm like a little torn. But uh yeah,
they revealed that she knew the whole time that he
had killed. You know, didn't know one hundred percent, but
she knew in her guts. At one point she was
gonna have Rex the Mobster take him out. You can
have her son killed. I thought it was odd that
we had the flashback last week with a different actress
and then this week it was her.
Speaker 3: So I just kind of feel like that was because
she was experiencing it in that moment through.
Speaker 1: Her right, Okay, that's fairy, I'll accept that. Yeah, Which
that's where we finally got the answer. Julian Rush was
finally useful. He got those answers out of her, So
for me, that actually checked, like still he is still Yeah,
we'll get to him. He still he's very useful now.
But other than the sex stuff, I was like, something
needs to happen with this character. At least that was like, okay, cool,
Sophia got some secrets out of her because of Julian Rush.
That made it better. If I watched the showgun, I'm
ever like, what the fuck is Rush sitting around here
for other than like having a jolly good time. But
uh yeah, she she knew. Uh he gave some big speech.
She said, Okay, I'm gonna you know, I'll raise him
to be this little mobster. But yeah, she's a piece
of shit person too. She at the end, she tries
to be like, oh, I should have never let you
do this, and all my sons are here, but I
was like, yeah, she can die too. You know, the
whole Cobb family is terrible people, except for those two
boys that drowned in the lake or whatever and some children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like this is this is what I
was saying earlier.
Speaker 4: I feel like this scene, it was a wonderful scene,
like beautifully acted and everything. It looked really good, but
I just felt like unsatisfied, Like I'm so I'm so
torn because I don't want to say I'm unsatisfied, Like
when his mom is like going up his face and
like basically saying that he's the devil.
Speaker 2: I didn't want you.
Speaker 4: Like this is really intense, like just drama because of
everything that we've led up to and we've we've just
well we've been shown to believe that like Penguin has
done basically all of this for his mom. And like
you just loved her so much and it just seems
like the one thing in his life that he cares
about is this, is this lady, is this individual? Like
it was really intense, but I still just felt like
some inconsistencies maybe of like the mom's opinion of him,
Like like we don't really get any any of this
resentment or hate for for Cob right this entire show
until last week. And like I think because of Julian
Rush's hitting it to whatever the hell he's doing, he's
recalling memories of her. You can make the argument that
like that's just really provoking it and bringing it back
up into her like in the front of her mind, like, hey,
this is this is a real thing that you've been
putting back in the back of your mind, like your
whole life essentially, And but like, I don't know, I
just felt I just felt like it was a big
jump of Okay, now she just hates Cob, and it's
she's saying that she's always hated him, she's always felt
this way. But I don't think we've been shown that
at all, especially early early portions of the season.
Speaker 3: I think it's been things that have been helping trigger
like trigger factors, because you have you have Vic who
was dancing with her talking about her about her boys
again and kind of reinstigating that, and Oz comes in,
It's like, oh, don't talk to her about that. So
I mean, as this show progresses, you get a lot
more of that reinforcement to her. And of course she's ill,
but she's being reminded again again again about her boys,
and then you have this psychiatric trip that just totally
makes her deep dive back into that situation and breaks her.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's fair.
Speaker 4: I'm that remind me of like every time that the
boy's been brought up paying when it shot it down
like instantly, so I definitely kind of forgot about that.
And again, like this is where I was saying I
would have wanted another episode because I felt like I
just would have wanted one more in between episode of
her actually knowing this and like stewing with it to
where we are here, to when she stabs him. It's like, Okay,
I'm satisfied. Now I got more time to really sit
with the mom and like go through this like realization
and trauma. Because I think her performance was fantastic. I
was like you Travis earlier, I'm like, why is this
like a younger lady? This the younger lead last week
and then now it's the Maybe they just liked her
performance of the scene more, but it made sense because
it was like the hypnotism whatever it was moment. But yeah,
I'm just her acting of it. It was phenomenal. But yeah, okay,
I and again this is something that I feel like
on another viewing, maybe I'm gonna feel completely different about it,
but just my initial feeling, it's just such a big
moment that I wanted to feel like, man, that was perfect.
I couldn't have changed anything about that, but didn't quite
feel that way on out the gate. But definitely, yeah,
I definitely forgot about a couple of those moments of
just her being reminded maybe of the boys and things
like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my show. There are moments where she get mad
at him and the illness kind of made that murky though,
which I think is, uh, that's a tough thing. And
there were times where she was hard on him because
she was I feel like at the beginning of episode
one or two where she was kind of not shit
talking to him, but tell him like he has to
like you promised me. This prompts me. But I'm assume
with the Kirk where I didn't think that it was
like a pure hatred. But at the same time, I
guess it's kind of like sometimes in life, right where
it's like like a white lie thing where it's something like, Okay,
you might feel this way, but you kind of you know,
you don't want to go full manty on somebody, right,
so you kind of give it to them. So I
think maybe it's just the idea too, of just reliving it.
Maybe she realizes looking back at all, she was wrong something.
They're also like, what was her to make him proud?
Like him just become a big criminal. You know, he
wasn't a great result.
Speaker 2: He became not exactly what you want your mom to
be rooting for you, Yeah, right, Like.
Speaker 1: He became a terrible person. Maybe that was just a realization.
I thought it was a good touch to see the
boys and they're all like dripping wet and everything, and
I thought that was a nice touch there, and I
thought she was obviously great in that scene and the
other thing again another point I said in the Non
Sports just multiple facets of why to hate Cobb it's
like fuck, like Sophia was right where they're like, okay,
she tells us, which for me is like it's very
like very on the nose of she finds these birds
and the bird you know, there's all the big one,
little one, and she's just on the whole story like
what Oz did to his brothers. Okay, that's fine. And
then you know but again looking great dress, and she goes, hey,
I want there need to be some truth here. Very
classic homebook. But that's fine, and she's threatening to cut
off Oz's mum's finger unless he says the truth, says
what he did to his brothers, and he still won't
do it even after his's like I fucking know you did.
I already know. I've accepted. Just tell me. And then
he's like, oh my, you're sick. Like that's where again
that put that good points for me because like, oh man, yeah,
Penguin is like he's just a piece of shit. And
I also fear it to mention too, when he killed Victor,
he took Victor's money again, another piece of shit. Take
three bucks too, Yeah, there was ones and he still
took it. So again, there's so many things this episode
is like, I cannot wait for Batman a fucking curb
stamp his teeth on the cement. But yeah, the fact
that he was he would let his bumb's finger get
chalked off because he would he he was too pathetic
to admit.
Speaker 4: That he did it, you know, my my Devil's advocate
defense of Penguin in that moment. Oh wow, is I
feel like he took the money to make it seem
like a mugging or something like kill okay for the
money in his wallet.
Speaker 1: I thought, you're trying to fend the mother finger.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like, let's be honest, none of our
mom's neither pinkies.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. Yeah, I could buy that. Yeah, but
I could also still buy that he would want the
three extra.
Speaker 3: Bucks just yeah.
Speaker 4: I like how they emphasized like it could have been hundreds,
it could have been tens, but no, it's like specifically
like three one dollar bills. You reminded me of another
thing that maybe why I didn't love that scene as
much as I could have, is this is like the
this is the finale. This is like the big showdown.
Sophia finally has Cob and she's spending this whole time
to just like tell his bird story, and like really
she she just wants to be like incepting his mom
and like finding out this trauma to just to like
bring it to the surface. I guess it's it's it's
a good way to hurt Cob to have, you know,
his mom be the one that stab it. But it
just seemed like way too of an elaborate plan, like
like she had Julian rush here because she knew that
one day she's gonna be able to get his mom
and find out all this trauma. And it's not even
like Sophia would have known about this at all, right,
like like she would have found out through.
Speaker 1: It just happened through the Hypnoticisan half.
Speaker 2: So it's like, why is she doing this in the
first place if she doesn't even know what she's looking for.
It just seemed it seemed weird.
Speaker 4: And again that's where maybe like my one extra episode
would have would have helped, because I would have had
time between Sophia and the mom and Penguin cover that
in the penultimate or whatever you want to do, and
then the ultimate the finale be just kind of more
personal between Sophia and Cobb because it just seems it,
I don't know, just some of the focus was taken
away from her a little bit. I'm glad that she's
alive because I did really was fearful thinking that she
was going to die here and that was just gonna
be the end of that character. But I am really
happy that she's she's sticking around because she's been phenomenal
the whole series, and just to know that that character
is still alive, that we can pull her back. And
more more than that, it's not like she's just in Arkham,
like they're they're setting bread crumbs for something, you know,
with her and Selena. So I'm really really happy that
she lived on.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. You just reminded me about
that last thing.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and that went into my stuff last week,
remember the whole like the truck with the bomb and like,
hopefully you can get out because again we'll really under
they're just gonna be sitting there waiting, And she had
this whole laborate plan, Like I still thought, like I
thought her killing the mom in front of alle Oz
and any torturing was like enough so for her to
like do this whole like confessionally it's still worked enough
for me, but it is like it it feels like, uh,
I don't want to say spinning wheels. Spinning wheel sounds
too bad because luckily the scenes acted well and it's
still written well, but just also feels like is this
what she was doing here? But I feel like I
had a couple of moms with that with Sofia even
last week. Remember when she's like, I don't know what
I'm doing anymore, It's like, oh, I thought we thought
you knew what you were doing.
Speaker 3: Now you know.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a couple of things the same
thing I thought. He got out of that situation very easy.
She stabs him, he's bleeding, he falls down, breaks chair, shoots,
one guy, shoots another guy picks up his mom. He's bleeding,
Like I was like, and again she had four guys
with her and Julian. I'm making out Julian Rush because
he's not wheeling the gun.
Speaker 2: So I just got shot Julian Rush at first, like
when he shoots that Enzo guy or whatever it was. Yeah, man,
that's it. That's why we had Julian.
Speaker 1: Well, he got us there, he got us, he got us.
The confession I guess so, yeah, that would have been
funny if you just got shot and then yeah, Sofia
in broad daylight just goes out outside Monroe's just shooting. Yeah,
that's another thing. I thought the same thing, like that
happened with Maroni last week, where it just was a
little These guard situations are a little easy. That's okay,
this is probably TV budget. Keep it light.
Speaker 3: Get five actors on saying about the cop who is
doing I drops outside?
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I like that shot when he got shot
in his brain matter just like went on the camera.
But yeah, I thought that was a little easy, and
they get and I guess we haven't. I guess we
can start talking about this now. We'll take unless Tay,
was there anything that.
Speaker 3: You just want? Yeah, add real quick thing. When they
were talking about that. The whole scene was great. I
love that this the tension of it. But it was
a little tricky to follow why Sophia was trying to
put this on Oz and what she was going at
instead of just killing him. She had a few opportunities
here where she just too much dialogue and she should
have just popped him and then moved on and gotten
out of there. But what it fucking killed me because
when she does this whole dialogue about the younger, weaker
bird pushing the other one out of the nest and
killing it, and then she pulls the like the thing
out out of Oz's mouth and he's like, the fucking
birds you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Like birds? Yeah, he says, fucking birds. Yeah. I love man,
I love Oz there. But yeah, that's I can have break.
We'll finish off the ping and Sofia stuff that Naill
talk about. Sofia's current states, we'll be right back and
we're back. So yeah, so we didn't mention that, Victor.
So they go the site gotta save Penguin, everybody, all
the all the mobsters that they agreed with last week
or the week before. They're like, oh no, this is
too much. He gives this whole speech, which I did
like the emphasize whoever the triad leader is, like second,
I can't remember his name, like link, Okay. I like
that they emphasized that he was like putting down when
he or picking up what he's putting down. But then
they had him like roundhouse, like he had him like
uppercut his stomach. So I was like, okay, maybe that's
nothing yet, but I like that that was a moment
where he just kind of did that in front of
everybody to it. Even said like stop talking, you're gonna
get killed. So it felt like it was like a
moment or too, like a kind of a lifeline for
Vic and he kind of understood what he was saying.
And then so Sophia says, hey, I'm leaning Gotham. She
brings everyone here. Uh, you find Oz, bring him to me,
you kill you know whatever, I'll kill him. My territory
everything is all yours. Right, So she does this. We'll
go back to what she does the house after because
we'll focus on Sleena. But then so they put out
this hit. Link calls Victor says, hey, you know, he
has a hit on him. They make it look like
Penguin's getting caught because they have guns to him. They
bring them to Sofia. This is another little thing where
I felt like there's gonna be a more of a
formal like she's out of there, you know, the house
is gone, like like what she's just like she was
already seems like she was leaving. So what if they
called her and said, hey, we didn't find them, but
she was already packing. Seemed like that plane was ready
to go wherever it was gonna go, right, So it
kind of felt that for me, it fell a little
off of I'm believing no matter when, Hey, we just
happened to get Oz and they bring him there and
then they kill all the leaders and you know Oz,
now all the seconds are in the command and they're
the leaders, and it's just like, so what all that
stuff she was gonna give the mobster that brought them over,
it's just Oz now. Like I felt the same way
when Johnny Vedy was alive. It's like, wouldn't there be
a few like money transfers And I feel like that
type of stuff for anything, right, like even territory.
Speaker 3: You can do anything over the internet now, I guess,
but even just the territories, it's just like they're all
supposed to believe, like, oh yeah, so you know Sophie,
our old boss.
Speaker 1: Well, uh, you know, the Triad showed up, they killed Oz.
She got on a plane and left and but Oz,
you know, it's like it was a little messy. I
don't know why they did that. So I wish there
was again, maybe some more time with that. It's just
feel like we were jumping from we captured Oz he
is and then we captured again, and he's been captured
a few times. But uh oz walk gets her. I
really love that they ended on the scene of him
driving her. I thought that was like a fantastic oh
again and he's driving her. It's like, okay, makes her walk,
And I was like, oh man, it's over for Sophia
right now, there's no way, but he tells her close
her eyes, turn around. She's preparing for death. But then
a big spotlight hits her. Helicopter's popping off with get
oh cevia an on her wrist.
Speaker 3: He's part of me thought it was gonna be Batman,
like I really did. Just him just soooping down.
Speaker 1: In the cop car. Oh in the soup and down. Okay,
soup and down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's arrested him. He's in the backseat of the
cop car. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was hoping at the same time when he he
became a murderer tonight. He also helped kill her dad.
You could talk to him about an Arkham. But like
I thought, for sure, Penguin when he I didn't know
he was when he when Victor dropped him off in
the middle and he said something about like he didn't
say face the music, but he said something inferring cops,
like he's going into big spot. I thought that's where
we're gonna get our Jim Gordon cameo. I thought he
was walking into a police station, but it was and
it was like a court situation. But yeah, Sophia, we
she gets arrested and sent back to Arkham. So before
we talk about some more of the reveal there, but
what do we think about some of this triad stuff
in the seconds turn on everybody and then Sophia surviving,
She's she made it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I already mentioned I'm super jack that she lived on.
I'm really happy that was the case. I kind of chuckled,
like during the episode when she like brings all the
families to the house, it's like, yeah, I'm leaving Gotham,
and I'm like, ah, the fucking Bastard's okay. This is
how we're gonna just save her. Like she's she's gonna
just get out of town.
Speaker 2: That that's it.
Speaker 4: We're gonna be justing at some point, which of course
isn't exactly what happened. So I am glad that she's
stuck around in Gotham, even though it's to her dismay,
it's doesn't seem like she's pretty happy in the in
the Arkham Asylum, even though I wouldn't expect she's getting
the same treatment that she was getting the first time
she was there, because I thought that was like set
up by her dad.
Speaker 2: To like do all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I think you just get that anytime you go to Arkham.
Speaker 2: Fuck, what a terrible place. A place.
Speaker 1: I think that's why I was Arkham, right, I don't
want you don't want to go there. You want to
go to Blacka At least Arkham is is real bad.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it makes sense because like Gotham
alone just seems like a terrible place to live, and
then like the Arkham and the Blackade is just that
much worse. But uh yeah, I I I completely with Utu.
I love how it ended with him, like him driving her.
I love the setup too of like getting her there
and then Oz just kind of does that smirk and
then she realized what's going on, and then the whole shootout,
Like I I really was satisfied with that.
Speaker 2: I thought that was badass. And even when mister.
Speaker 4: Jao like gets Cobb and calls Sophia. I'm like, okay,
I know links with like you know, the boys with
the team, but like, how is this exactly any play?
And I like how it was just like a big
power move of all these kind of you know, second
in command type guys just taken over as like the
new leaders, and these are all the leaders that are
gonna be, you know, running Gotham by the time Pattinson
wakes up from his shock and shotgun to the blasts. Yeah,
so I I I for all that, I thought that
was just fantastic. I thought it was really really well done.
I don't know, I wasn't too bothered about like the
like the like the timing I guess of everything. It
was pretty convenient. But I imagine she would have she
could have just slept in another wing of the building,
like like did that burn down the whole house?
Speaker 2: When she when she thinks so, yeah, okay, she's gonna.
Speaker 3: Made a few million bucks off it, maybe a billion yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah cool shot or yeah. But I didn't mention
that she burned down the house, had the three cigarettes,
let them all out. It was just uh, just lighting
a blaze to everything. So the falcony Empire mansion all gone.
Speaker 2: Now so yeah, legit Conte mansion, yeah, all but just gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I uh, I think that everything that you know
her her ending here. I'm glad. I'm glad that she lived.
That's my one prediction that I'm happy came true. She's
back in Arkham and we got a cool little tie
in with that I was not really expecting, but they
went forward, and I'm happy that we got the Sleema
Kyle thing, which we'll talk about. But yeah, just to
be back in there. That sucks for her character, really
really does. But it just, man, it just puts Oz
on top and really just puts them on another level
because she really thought that she was gonna get killed
there and he's just he's just at that top, that
top point. It's fucking crazy how he just played it
so well. And she, yeah, did this city favor? I
guess to just give them a give them someone to
martyr and to point the finger app and so yeah,
it's not Uh, it's not gonna be easy for her character.
And I'm curious to see when she comes back how
it's gonna unfold.
Speaker 1: And just the.
Speaker 3: Dynamic too, because I get this at this point, if
you want to just throw it into the movie if
you don't have to watch the show. Just Selena Kyle
comes back because like, oh, I got a sister who
has just been in Arkham this whole time.
Speaker 1: So well, these guys giving up the lead here, but
you got Sophia. She's has a meal, it doesn't look
like she's eating it, having a tough time. She pressed
up adst the wall, like, you know, wrapped, like I
don't know what what the what it has a name.
Isn't the the fetal position or something like that?
Speaker 3: Right, looks like the fetal position?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so that's I got right points of Trouse
and then Julian rush door opens like, oh fucking this
guy got I gotta appreciate how much of it just
a stand how much of a you know, I'd love
for him and Penguin to talk like who's more fucked up?
Like Penguin with Eve here or this guy who he
left Darkham. Oh I do a lot of terrible things, Sofia.
Sofia goes back and oh and look who's back at Arka.
Mister rush like he will go get a job at
the world's worst place in the world just because Sophia
is there, so again you gotta meant this guy will
he's a keeper for Sevia. He's willing to do anything.
But then, which is really cool, you have this moment
where he's talking and it's like suspended, like muffled sound.
He's like, oh, you got you know some male the
regular you know, people checking in, people ask me, r
you know you're white or your husband or whatever, and
they's like, oh, but there's one that did stand out.
And I fucking loved that because I'm like, oh fuck,
what could this be? And I'm thinking, like, especially because
there's a black mflope. I'm like it looked similar to
like stuff Riddler would get up. I'm like that doesn't
make yeah, but I was like that doesn't make sense,
like like it loves like what we Riddler want. And
then thought, okay, it could it be Joker because he's like,
you know, Rumor's trying to recruit people, but like that
doesn't make much sense either other than the hangman stuff.
Maybe he could send her hanging like I don't know,
but then kind of what everyone's been hoping for him
we talked about him, I myself thought okay, even if
she's and I am in last week where I thought
I think I said, I said she would die, but
I said, like, if not, she's gonna be locked up,
Like she'll be taking off the board, is what I said, right,
So I thought, Okay, even if she got locked up whatever,
that's not gonna happen. But the fact that oh, he
says like, oh yeah, you got a letter and it's
from someone named Selena Kyle and it's claiming to be
your half sister, my god. Literally I sat up and
chills all like, just as show as a rock is
covered in chills already, I was. I was goosebumping all
over because it's like that thing where like, oh I
hope they do the thing, and they did the fucking thing,
and like I don't know, and brought up a good
point where it's just like I don't know what you
can do in the movie, like it might feel weird
for Selena show. I'm like, hey, this is my half sister, Sophia.
I don't know if that could happen, but I think
because obviously we talked about on the newscast where those
rumors of the Joker Show, Jameson said, that's not true,
so we'll see if that ends up not being sure,
I'll take him first word that that's not trueight Now.
I think we've always kind of put out there like
the one we'd want is Selena Kyle, and I feel
like that would be the place to do it in
the show because I feel like you would get lots
of time there, unless Selena is getting tons of time
in the movie. But I think Matt Reeves is making
a specific case that if Selena Kyle gets a lot
of time in the movie, it's Bruce centric. Like he's
always said that he wants to keep the villains not
the focus. He wants Bruce to be the focus, which
is great because in the Villains, you know, like in
those movies, films often take over and they're very flashy.
But I like that it's from his point of view,
So I think I don't know if we could cover
that ground of Selena comes back with a sister. But
this makes me more convinced now never that they're gonna
do a show with Selena. I've always wanted that because
I think there's lots with this character to you know, explain.
And I do feel like, let's say we get because
we said they're gonna do more shows. Right, Let's say
we get Batman two, you know, two other shows, Batman three,
and it's done. Then I would go to and they
do nothing of this. I would go to Matt Reason
and like, ah, you should have took that out because
that's too much to me, like baiting an audience to
be like holy shit, like cool. I guess you could
say it's like okay, it's a full circle, like she
doesn't feel a lone anymore, but it's like she'd still
be locked of an Arkham, it doesn't matter. I guess
she could be a penpal with her sister. But to me,
them doing that is like you are setting people up
for there is something. It's like joker at the end
of the bat and it's like you have to now
follow up on this. And like I said, I don't
think it could be in a movie. It's a movie. Great.
I'd love her to go into the movies. Maybe they
could do that. Maybe there's a situation where they are
working together, but I think the Selena Kyle Show with
her being in there's more likely. But what do you
guys think? They think nothing? And that's the end. What
are your final thoughts on the Penguin series and we
had Taylor.
Speaker 3: I mean, if the Selena Kyle Show is anything like
the writing that this show has had, I'm definitely all
there for it. Because initially I thought, Ah, I don't
know if I'm gonna really feel this engagement with the
Penguin Show, but sure enough I thought it was phenomenal.
So as long as the writing's good that I'll be there.
And I think that that would be a pretty ideal
place for her to just pop up, is in a
Selena Kyle show and just kind of see what they're
up to and what's going on. But I don't know
how or what that would really entail aside from you
just being penpal. So be interesting to see what's going
on there.
Speaker 1: Like in the show. Yeah. Well, like Ma brings up
a good point here, kind of we're the penguin left
Rush as a loose threat. He could theatically help get
her out. So that's one thing where it's like, I
do I agree with that, but I think that's just
like why he's left there so he can help get
her out, you know.
Speaker 2: But it comes into her cell at the end. Come on, Sophia,
we get the fuck out it.
Speaker 1: We gotta go right now, get on your shoes.
Speaker 2: We're fucking going.
Speaker 1: He's just I've killed everybody. We gotta go now. Yeah,
but no, I think that's why he's there. And I
don't know if like Selena would get her out, like so,
like if we're going with the theory that they're gonna
do some of this, Selena took the time to write
to her, right so and Selena, I would imagine, what's
some connection. Maybe Selena helps gets her out, And I
don't know what that would be. I do think even
though I want to see them pal round and it's
funny that they have the same it's tough though, right
because I'm trying to think, like, what did Sophia do
in here that was bad? Take the crime stuff? Like, great,
what did she she killed other Falcone members, they're all bad?
She killed penguin guys? Did she kill anyone in the
show that we deemed like as innocent, even his penguin's
mom when she like, motherfucker hear him and everything, she
like told the guards to lay off. So she never
like took a big plunge to like start hurting go
out of her way to hurt really innocent people. So
I was just saying, like, I wonder if if she
got out with her and Sophia like clash, eventually, would
they you know, would they have a situation where she.
Speaker 3: All the people that were above on.
Speaker 1: That's true, So that's why I also wonder where Sophia
could kind of like I think they'll pile around, But
I also think that Sophia and her would eventually. I
think Selena would see what she could become and she
wouldn't want to become that. You know, she could be
the villain of the show in a way or episode
or two.
Speaker 2: I hope, I.
Speaker 4: Hope what like sort of interaction could come out of it.
Is something that I didn't really think about too much
about this whole show, is what Penguin mentions to her
when he's basically given her the last ride you know
of her life. He says like, like the difference is
like you grew up in Royalty essentially, like you didn't
know what it was like to really like struggle and
like be like nothing. And I liked him mentioning that
because she seemed like she well she she has been
objectively through literal hell in Arkham and all that stuff,
but like she still seems like a lot of the
moves that she's making is kind of personal, and it's
it's not so much looking up for the little guy,
And I think Selena is more so in that avenue
of being you know, like raised up from nothing being
just grime on on the streets. So I hope that
that would kind of be something that sticks kind of
kind of differentiating the two of them.
Speaker 2: It's not like a make or break.
Speaker 4: I think that they still have a lot of things too,
like like meet in the middle on, but I think
that is something that's, I don't know, just an important
trait to keep on. Sophia is kind of just just
that that she is, Like she grew up in a mansion, right,
Like she had a very comfortable upbringing, And where did
all that money come from? Like that's all illegal money
and blood money that basically give her that And like
when she has all these fancy outfits on, it's not
legal money, Like none of it is legal. And although
she hasn't really you know, directly murdered innocent people, she
still just was pushing like bliss or whatever the hell.
It wasn't bliss, Like it was like drops and all
these things like she's still doing a llegal activity.
Speaker 1: Well Bliss was going to be her job though, right,
remember she she introduced that to Cobb.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and it's not like she's leaving town because
she has a coming to Jesus moment where yeah, this
isn't right now, it's just yeah, it's better for me here.
So I like how Cobb kind of, I don't know,
just brought that in the spotlight of like all these
decisions that you're making, like there still are for you, right,
like you never look out for the for the little guy,
which you know Cob is really fucked up, but he
still did do some things like he got power back
on Crown Point, like Vick was saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which Vic was very much the angel on her
shoulder that's now dead.
Speaker 1: So of course, yeah, I wonder with same thing with
her though if she were to get out, like wouldn't
you feel for her? Like Numero umored target would be Oz. Now,
I guess they could put in a situation where Oz
is so powerful it's hard to get to but I'm
not sure because I guess too that also has to
go to like what is what's Selena's goal currently right now? Right?
Because like Falcone's dead. She was gonna try and kill
him and then Ruther kill them, Like is she does
she have some score to settle with Oz or something
because she did work for him the club. But I
don't know if that's like a thing where there's some
stuff that happened there. I don't know that would be
the team up. But I just I feel like if
she does get out, you kind of have to make
that her mission, right, was what.
Speaker 2: Was her goal at the end of Batman, Like she's
going to.
Speaker 1: That that was it? She just wanted to get like
off him. Yeah, that's why it's like, what is her current?
You know, objective? And then maybe that's obviously a show
a movie, good show.
Speaker 2: But I'm curious this Kidnamd.
Speaker 1: Is gonna kill him. I gotta kill him first victory
just all these people after him. But yeah, no, I
I do you guys, what's your percentage of her being
in the movies? Not I want your actual thinking percentage.
I'm a ten percent because at first when it happened,
I looked at him and I'm like, oh, she's going
to the movies. But more than I've had time to
sit on, I'm like, I think it's just it is
a lot to if you want to keep the whole,
you don't want to have to do homework to watch
Penguin interesting. Introducing Sofia could be a lot of heavy lifting.
I don't know, so I'm gonna I'm gonna say ten,
but I my want is one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But I'm going saying Selena in Batman two.
Speaker 1: Or so, No, Sophia, I think Selena is ninety five percent.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: I mean, Penguin did kill Selina. I don't think Selena
cares that much about I'll for an even like the
scuttle bit around town was Alberto was an idiot, right,
like he he is a piece of my favorite half brother,
Yeah Alberto, Yes, Like I guess right, you could make
that case where it's like, oh, but like at the
same time, even though Alberto was like, I'm gonna get
you o, Sofia, he was still like he didn't disown
his dad. It seemed like, right, he was still hanging
out with the family. So it's not like, oh man,
he was one of us. Like I think Alberta was
a piece of shit too, So but you know, I
guess there could be that thread.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big drops. Guy, I'm I'm gonna say fifty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm gonna go over the fifty mark. I
just think that she's so fucking good, Like she's such
a gold mine. I agree, like why not, you know,
like like why not have her in there? You could
even have like a quick little oh yeah blah blah blah,
or like dealing with the penguin. I don't know, obviously
make it a little bit cleaner than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even then to that point, like they did say,
like and I think it's funny when I rewatched The
Batman they talk about, you know, ah, the Marony drug bust,
like the Maroni getting busted it and the whole Wayne foundation.
It's a huge storyline that's only in like communication. You
don't see Maroni in that movie, Like it's just talked
about how always a big deal. They got Maroni out
so they could mention something. I think they just would
have to. I don't know where they would, but they
could find some sort of way to strain. And I'm
with you. I want her, like her to be Sophia
on the big screen. I think she's earned it now.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, ah, probably under the I'm probably forty
nine percent. Now no, no, now, you mentioned that, I
don't know.
Speaker 1: I tried to be with you.
Speaker 4: I tried to, I know, but like the realism of it, right,
because like the fuck we're gonna have Paul Dano.
Speaker 2: Barry kyone, yeah, and then whoever the new villain is, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like, are we gonna spend time with Sophia?
Probably not, like we already have a lot of focus,
yeah to do otherwise, And I think it.
Speaker 1: Will really depend once they announce who that villain is,
because I feel like there's certain villains like someone to
me like a hush that to me works because you
know when they like they say the hush in the movie,
and like his the guy that made the who port
about his mum. When arkhamis Thomas Elliott's dad, I feel like,
because it's already been a little established in the previous movie,
you might have more time. But if it's like a
completely new villain that's like just joining into Gotham or whatever,
that's where it's like, eh, that might be a hard time.
And I'm not sure like or does like Bruce just
go to Selena and then when he goes to Selena,
he just goes to her house and like Sophia is there,
and that's like a little easter egg for like the
next show, Like they don't even show she gets out,
like they could do that. I just I think, I
mean too, like if she's in the movies, I don't
think it's as like a massive role, even though I
think she's earned it. With the character Betrave, I've love
her to be. That's why I kind of wish he
was just like another mobster, you know, like maybe I'll
take it back when we get the Sofia Sophia's show,
But I wish the same way Oz was in The Batman.
I'd love it if Sophia just had a club or
had something and she was in the mystery, but she
wasn't the main character. You could even have it tighten.
But now it seems like she's lost all her power.
So I feel like the only thing you could do
with her is a revenge tale. You know. It's I
kind of wish she was just another mobster that Batman
had to deal. It's like, fuck, I got rid of
one Falcona. There could be a push and pull because
that is your sister, But then is that too much
like the first movie, right where the push and pull,
Carmine is, well, that's my dad, and then it's like,
well that's my sister. So it could get to Samsy
there too.
Speaker 4: Beman's just trying to get some answers out of Sophia
showing up. Come on, you get the exact same scene,
but Sophia.
Speaker 1: Come on the whole movie and just do Falco on that.
Put Hush in the river roll. You're good to go.
So you're at forty nine percent Kirkland, Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be under the fifty Taylor.
Speaker 1: What's your percent for thinking she's gonna be in a movie?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say twenty five percent.
Speaker 1: It's low.
Speaker 3: I think you guys. Have you guys laid it all
on the table. There's a lot of other contenders and
a lot of other things in this world, and now
that we know that we're getting this this trilogy, it
doesn't give us a lot of rooms.
Speaker 4: So I.
Speaker 2: He's got right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you know what, maybe I have to think
back on what we talked about with the news for
the shows, because James Gunn squashed that Joker show, so
it doesn't leave a lot of room for what else
is going on and I just feel like I feel
like this is just this is out of James Gunn's umbrella,
so I feel like it might not get I don't know,
I feel like he's biased. I feel like he's got
his projects and he's like, oh yeah, they're doing this
thing that wasn't my it wasn't my uh can of worms.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Limit what their future commandos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, Yeah, I think I I think that conversation will.
I think it all depends on how Superman goes. I
think if Superman is a massive, massive hit, then I
think that makes James Gun's pitches a lot easier to like, oh,
you know, like do we gotta do this much for
the Batman? But I think it's Superman is just like
does under the Batman or even underperforms. I think he
can still be the president DC Studios, but I think
the higher ups will still be like, yeah, but you
gotta keep this this thing going over here. I don't know,
at least like the thing is like even look at
the Batman, like that's still too like pretty much too
years away. It's not like there's another full universe, right,
It's like one project out of a bunch thattle coming right,
So I think that's the case. So I still think
I don't know. My hope is with Matt Reeves talking
about that they're planning on doing more shows, I hope
it's a situation of they've talked and yeah, that sounds good,
not like I'm gonna put this out here and hope
people just fucking badger James Gunn because like again him
saying the Joker Show is not real, I don't think
he's just not like, fuck Matt Reeves, there's no Joker Show.
It might just be like, hey, these reports weren't true.
So my hope, like, and that's why I can't wait
till like James Gunn maybe or Creature Carmndals will have
to He's gonna have to do press soon, and I
want people to have some questions. I'm done with them
answering the Instagram stuff. I want him to ask some
stuff like this, like, hey, yeah, these shows that plan
Like I don't know if anyone's ever asked them straight
up or if he has an answered, because that's the
other the Instagram stuff, right. He always is very like
picky with what he answers I'd like some as to say, hey,
is the plan still do a full trilogy and have
him say yes. Now, of course, I guess you can
just say, you know, he said that he planned to
work with Ben Aff and that didn't fucking happen, right,
so it doesn't. I'm not calling Jens gonna lie. I'm
not being the fucking red I thumb now, but like
you could easily, oh, well, plans change. You know, he
fucked my wife and I didn't want to make Batman
three anymore. But that's not gonna happen. Matt Reeves is
a good guy. Uh, let's see says do you think
the way they use Eve Carlo here rules up bar uh,
Basil Carla as clay Face in the future. I'm less
inclined now because I thought fully, but I think we
might just like even if Hush doesn't get used with
Thomas Elliott, with this with Sophia, I think, and it's
not a bad thing. I think like Matt Reeves just
likes using characters that have been a socian Batman stuff,
right if we don't get like I'm not saying payoffs,
but it's not more I think because nothing massive happened
with Eve, I don't see clay Face. I think I'd
pitched like a few episodes in the season. Like imagine
if Penguin gets her killed and that makes a guy
like that guy becomes some sort of serial killer or
something like that, right, like he wants to take down
the mob, similar to Ridler and Batman. But I I
don't see it now. Even though I would love, as
we you know, check out our Cape crusairer review that
episode two or three with Clayface. I would love to
have that in matt Ree's hand on the big screen,
the whole like theatrical stuff, actor, the old Hollywood, Like,
I think matt Reeves would fucking destroy with that. But uh,
I'm gonna say it's not Clayface right now. That's what
we'll say. How are you guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I don't know.
Speaker 4: I I feel like if it's if it comes out
like Basil Carlo is a big thing in Batman two
with Clayface.
Speaker 2: I I don't know. I feel very uncertain on this.
Speaker 4: I feel like, Okay, we have the character so that
there's there's some seeds in there for some family, right
like like she like she has a family out there,
but it's not like very obvious, like pointing in that direction.
So as of right now, if I had to make
a guess, I would say lower than my my Sophia prediction,
less than forty nine percent.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's why I fin it's like a Penguin
season two. I believe it because it's like, well, that
character's still round. You got Sofia, maybe that, but I
don't think so. But again, I hope we find out
now that Penguin's done. I hope we start getting some
Batman news here soon. I just want I just want
to fucking know the main film. That's really one of
the rest of stuff whatever, but I want to know
who who's the main battie.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna go twenty four percent. I think
it's just one of those things where you just have
a name and you're just playing up the universe in
this giant sandbox and just trying to, I don't know,
stoke the fire a little bit for the fans, and
I think that's great. I love little cameo nods and
Easter egg little things like that and this show, and
like you try to said they were doing a season two,
I would absolutely feel like, Okay, that level has gone
up because I mean, she's so prominent with Oz and whatnot,
and you probably have Batman in a season two of
The Penguin or something like that. But I think, though,
with not knowing what we're getting for future shows, but
just knowing for certain we're getting two movies, I think, yeah,
I just think it's the same thing with Sofia. There's
not a lot of time to really explore that. And
if ultimately we do only get two movies, then I
would I feel like, Okay, well, Sophia's gonna appear on
the big screen before uh, Basil does, so.
Speaker 1: Let's call him. Let's call him clay Face. I don't
like call him Basil, and and I feel like it's
kind of like whatever the show's got shot down. I
feel like it's obvious that, Okay, Joker at least one
of these movies, and I don't think we think it's
gonna be two. So I think we all assume, kay,
if we get this trilogy part three happens, we assume
Joker and maybe Joker in a group of bad guys
as the villain. That kind of makes just only one
more bad guy for two, right, Like as a main
one because I feel like Joker has that already covered,
so I don't know, and I hope it's not like
No Way Home where even though there's rumors of villain,
they never like fully confirmed we have, like that first
teaser anything which I could see him doing, like, oh,
he's just cast as an antagonist. I hope we get
a I hope we get the confirmation. But is there
anything else on the show before we drop a final
rating and review here?
Speaker 4: I forgot to mention it earlier with the scene and
Cobb's mom stabs him. I liked how it went back
to like the child actor of like seeking her killing
like her own child like that that just it hit
harder and shouts out to that child actor again like
like man when he's like like ma, like what do
you do?
Speaker 2: Like he's just like man, that's just a.
Speaker 4: Young Cob, Like he just does so good at the
mannerisms and everything. But uh, yeah, I just wanted to
shut that out.
Speaker 1: Let's see here. Yeah, I don't think I had anything.
I'm just trying to think, but I think we cover
all tair or anything.
Speaker 3: I got nothing, all.
Speaker 1: Right, tear LEAs off? What would you? Uh? Final thoughts
in a radio on the show.
Speaker 3: Final thoughts. This show absolutely blew my mind, blew my
expectations out of the water, probably because I was going
in with lower expectations because I just wasn't sure how
I was going to feel about this kind of side
of Gotham without Batman. I felt like, Okay, well, it's
a Gotham without Batman. What are we going to be
doing here? But this did a great job and not
being boring and being completely engaging and totally creating a
love hate relationship with Oz. Colin is incredible as this character.
He sells them on every single tier. It's just a
fantastic villain and I can't wait to see him come
back and square off against Batman now being the King
of King of the Otham himself. So it'll be very
interesting to see um start to finish. This show is great.
I'm gonna give it a solid ten out of ten.
Speaker 1: Whoa ten out of ten? Wait you mister.
Speaker 2: Patzer hot to Molly?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'm gonna go ten at ten as well.
I had some issues with this finale, not even really,
I'm just gonna say some moments in this finale. I
think the finale was still good but like, man, what
a show. Every single episode I felt like was just
like a ten out of ten. Even if this episode
like wasn't a ten out of ten, like nine point five,
I feel like the average is still like nine point
nine nine nine nine, So it like it's just so spectacular.
Performances were fantastic, the it was truly nice to have
like like accurate one hour episod so it's every week,
you know, not just like a forty three minute or
or something like that, Like like we had a lot
of time, even though you know, I wanted another episode,
I'm just kind of a glutton because it is so
good that the show is so good, and yeah, I'm
I'm so happy it happened. And if if if Batman
two potentially under I don't even want to say that
it underperforms. Let's let's just go off of the assumption
it's going to overperform. Just keep giving us shows out
of this universe. I think it's so fantastic. Give us
a show about that cop with a really interesting voice, the.
Speaker 1: Guy I'm looking at this guy's picture's death.
Speaker 2: I think voice was in this episode. He was on
the news. Yeah, it was nice to hear him again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're arrested. But yeah, look I got him
to look after Victor's death.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, just just the whole season him looking
into Victor's death.
Speaker 1: Just because he hates Batman. Gordon, I think that Batman
did a gym and I did Man get out of here? Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2: The show's it is so good. It was so so good.
Speaker 4: And it was really really sweet to see Christine Miliotti
in a role like this because I had only really
seen her as being the Mom and How I Met
Your Mother and then which obviously is like a very
mindful role, very comedic type position. And then the movie
she did with Andy Samberg Palm Springs, which is like
comedy type thing.
Speaker 2: So it was all right, but like, definitely this.
Speaker 1: Is like take I hear everybody say it's great, rom
com interesting, Okay, yeah, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.
Then when you've you've also seen another thing. She was
Leo's wife originally a Wolf of Wall Stream. Yeah that's.
Speaker 5: Girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cocaine and Margot Robbie's tits. So yeah, that's how
she was.
Speaker 4: And but lady, you forgot about her, but no, yeah,
just to see her like really be used to her potential.
I think in in this in this show, and they
did a good good job with a great writing around
her and everything.
Speaker 2: So two thumbs, two thumbs for this one.
Speaker 1: Ten thumbs. If yeah, but yeah, I will fall, I'll
go ten out of ten. I feel a little rocky
on it because I want to rewatch the show. I
think there's a few things that were I don't know
if this works the best or maybe it's a little rush.
I don't know, but it's one of these things where
I've said before, when majority of the product is very,
very good, then you kind of can look past some things,
right And even overall, I still feel like things I
thought were rushed or maybe not the smoothest, they still
stuck the landing for the most part and made it
work for all the characters. I feel, all the characters
I feel satisfied with the conclusion of their stories. And
that's even the biggest thing too we talk about, not
that I have this word with HBO and everything like that,
but just like even the finale for me, for the
most part, stuck the landing, which again, how many comm
book Geek shows that we talked about where the finales
are always a problem, right, And that's a big attestament
to the usually at least forty five minutes sometimes hour
long episodes. Cinatography was great here. Of course, it's not
looking like The Batman. It's not Greg Frasier, it's not
like that production budget. But I think it's a better
look then some other comic stuff. We get performances out
the ying yang another just like a great flesh out
to Gotham where now, even watching The Batman, I view
Victor or No, I don't view at all. I view
Oz so much differently than I did the first go around,
even just like his scenes, like him and Carmine when
they're interacting, He's like, oh, there's so much like there's
so much good just history here, there's so much a
missing a word, but it's just like a wealth of
goodness that has like come to the Batman universe here
and there's it's so much more fleshed out, That's what
I was saying, And you just feel more fulfilled you watching.
So I don't know what is next. Hopefully we get
some sort of show because I think you can just
add to this more. And yeah, it's gonna be a
long wait, but I hope we get some news to it.
But yeah, the show overall, I mean, I choose be
more positive because my that'st thing where I have a
little nitpicks. But when I go on the enjoyment level
as a full ten, and I think what they did
at the end was they gave Oz you know everything
you know was else with Cherry's on top. Oz got
a great story. And as I said, I want Batman
a fuck kneecap him, and I hope when the trilogy
ends that he which just show because no one closed
off all his loops. Help when the trilogy ends that
Oswald is I don't think dead. I want him to
be locked up. He's like he just like yeah, sure
death could be something, but I think he's a guy
I would like to see, like he gets locked up
for the next like thirty four years his life. It
needs to be stuck in Like I don't want what
Sophia got on Arkham. I want him to get that treatment,
like just like all that stuff like I and his
doctor's Julian rush, Like that's a full circle moment, you know.
Speaker 3: Like from your sister.
Speaker 1: Eve.
Speaker 4: No, but.
Speaker 1: I want him to go down. I don't know which movie,
but I hope he has a very terrible time in
Arkham so and I think that's the great job of
a villain show. So yes, we have done it. We
have reviewed the Penguin serious. Like I said, six hundred
and eighty nine days to go to The Batman. But
if you like what we talk about here, when that
stuff comes out, the cast and the trailers, everything, the
comic cons, we will be here covering it. We love
the Batman, people love when we covered. That's our second
biggest episode all the time, So I'll be excited. It's
gonna be It's gonna be a long wait, but at
least should be a fun should be a fun lead up,
and I'm excited for lots of newscasts and this is
a good time. So thank you very much for everyone
that tuned in, thanks to to hear from us. It'll
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