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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Coaches to Know, a podcast short designed to

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<v Speaker 3>help demystify coaching and help you our audience understand what

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<v Speaker 3>coaching is and how it can help you. I'm your host, Jamie.

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<v Speaker 3>I am super delighted to be here with Coach Alex

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<v Speaker 3>to discuss a very favorite topic of mine, performance coaching.

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<v Speaker 3>Coach Alex has been coaching for about ten years, and

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<v Speaker 3>in addition to having worked with athletes in the NBA

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<v Speaker 3>and the NFL, he's a performance psychologist who holds a

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<v Speaker 3>PhD and counseling psychology and an MBA. These clients are

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<v Speaker 3>only athletes, but professionals who are at the top of

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<v Speaker 3>their game but are still striving to go further. This

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<v Speaker 3>includes executives, CEOs, finance professionals, and art and even artist.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome Coach Alex, and thank you for being here with

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<v Speaker 3>me today.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie. Thank you so much for having me. I am

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<v Speaker 2>excited to be here with you and I love talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this, so I'm hoping we get to have a

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<v Speaker 2>fun conversation here.

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<v Speaker 3>Great. So one of the things that excites me about

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<v Speaker 3>talking about performance coaching in general is that I think

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<v Speaker 3>historically people tend to when they think about coaching. They

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<v Speaker 3>think of it as a remedial tool. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that when we talk about performance coaching and we think

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<v Speaker 3>about performance coaching, we're framing it from being a remedial

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<v Speaker 3>intervention to an accelerant. So I would like to start

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<v Speaker 3>by sort of laying the groundwork today and talk about

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<v Speaker 3>what do we mean by performance psychology and performance coaching.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great question, and I'm glad you started with

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<v Speaker 2>the accelerant versus remedial topic. So I guess broad strokes,

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<v Speaker 2>performance psychology is really about helping people be their best

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<v Speaker 2>when it matters most. That's the core principle at play

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<v Speaker 2>in the work that we're doing now. Sometimes that means

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<v Speaker 2>working to solve particular challenges. Maybe it's things like performance anxiety,

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<v Speaker 2>or difficulty with public speaking, or even difficulty with leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>And at other times we're working on optimizing how someone

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<v Speaker 2>shows up to work the way that they do their

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<v Speaker 2>leadership things are largely good, but they're interested in getting

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<v Speaker 2>a promotion or becoming a top performer in their team,

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<v Speaker 2>or just figuring out how they take themselves to their

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<v Speaker 2>full potential. So performance psychology is really built around evidence

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<v Speaker 2>based principles of behavior change to help people address those

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<v Speaker 2>gaps or issues or optimize their performance to be the

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<v Speaker 2>best that they can be. And performance coaching is just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of an extension of performance psychology. Really, it's about

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<v Speaker 2>leveraging those tools and helping people learn the skills that

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<v Speaker 2>they need to be as effective as they can possibly be,

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<v Speaker 2>typically under pressure or in high stakes, high risk situations,

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<v Speaker 2>and in some cases as a performance psychologist, those risks

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<v Speaker 2>are like with elite military units, where I've done some work,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, helping army rangers figure out how to diffuse bombs.

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<v Speaker 2>And in other situations, high risk is you know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>scaling a company up, or we have to go through

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<v Speaker 2>a big layoff, or we're acquiring a new company and

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<v Speaker 2>we've got to integrate culture and we're not sure how

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to work. So of course the risks are

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<v Speaker 2>on different skills and different consequences, but in both cases

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<v Speaker 2>they feel really important. And performance psychology is about helping

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<v Speaker 2>you learn the skills that you need to manage those

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<v Speaker 2>things effectively, perform well through them, and then again kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thrive right, feel good, perform well, and be the

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<v Speaker 2>best that you can be.

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<v Speaker 3>That's super interesting. I would you know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how you coach people through when human lives are extincing.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds quite intense. Just as a follow up up question,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, are there any types of coaching? Performance coaching

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<v Speaker 3>gets confused with or how to differentiate itself from other

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<v Speaker 3>types of coaching?

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<v Speaker 2>Broadly, coaching is hard to differentiate anyway, unfortunately, for better

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<v Speaker 2>or worse. Right, there's lots of types of coaches, and

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<v Speaker 2>people also think about coaching with things like mentoring or

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<v Speaker 2>other sorts of advising that goes on. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>what makes performance psychology and performance coaching a bit unique

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<v Speaker 2>is really the focus on peak performance and helping people

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<v Speaker 2>be their best consistently, whereas sometimes things like executive coaching

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<v Speaker 2>might focus on tactical or operational aspects of a business,

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<v Speaker 2>or traditional psychology is focused on fixing mental health problems. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So performance psychology can kind of live in the middle there,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's really about the individual as a performer, the

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<v Speaker 2>team as a performer, the organization as a performer, but

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily about you know, should we pursue this tactic

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<v Speaker 2>or that tactic, or should we execute this acquisition or

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<v Speaker 2>should we not execute this acquisition, or what does it

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<v Speaker 2>mean to be a new CEO. You know, we can

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<v Speaker 2>talk about some of those things, but ultimately, perform coach

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<v Speaker 2>is not necessarily designed to address that in the way

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<v Speaker 2>maybe executive coaching or mentoring or advising might help with

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<v Speaker 2>some of those other issues.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thank you for that clarification. As the next question,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we talked a little bit at the and

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<v Speaker 3>your introduction about you know who your clients are, but

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<v Speaker 3>can you tell us maybe give us a little detail

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<v Speaker 3>about you know, why should someone should consider this type

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<v Speaker 3>of coaching.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that everyone who's working in a high stakes,

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<v Speaker 2>high pressure environment is a performer, and I think there

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<v Speaker 2>are actually quite a number of high stakes, high pressure

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<v Speaker 2>environments that require good performance. Right, So even things that

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<v Speaker 2>people don't typically think about as a performance, like parenting,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, I think is a high stakes, high pressure

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<v Speaker 2>situation for most people. And as a new dad, I

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<v Speaker 2>certainly feel that. And then you've got obviously different challenges

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<v Speaker 2>that you're working through, you know, as a CEO of

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<v Speaker 2>a company, or different challenges again if you're working in private,

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<v Speaker 2>do your venture capital, but ultimately you're dealing with high

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<v Speaker 2>risk decisions and high stake situations that require a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of skill to be able to navigate it. And so

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<v Speaker 2>what I've found is that a lot of the same

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<v Speaker 2>things that impact the pro athletes that I've worked with

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<v Speaker 2>impact really everybody. And I kind of break my work

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<v Speaker 2>down into five or six sort of key buckets. So

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<v Speaker 2>the first is what I would call stealth regulation. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to control, moderate, direct your thinking, feeling in physiology,

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<v Speaker 2>and to be able to optimize your own learning and

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<v Speaker 2>become an expert in your own way. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of two parts, how you learn and how you control yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>The second is leadership, and athletes, of course have to

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<v Speaker 2>work on their leadership, regardless of being a starter or

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<v Speaker 2>a bench player. The same thing is true with pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much every executive or even parents, right you're leading your kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Third is kind of relationships and communications. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>related to that leadership bucket, but it's a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>Right we all are learning how to work best in

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<v Speaker 2>our teams, whether again that's your family unit, your basketball team,

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<v Speaker 2>or your investment committee. You have to be thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>all the ways that those things come together and how

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<v Speaker 2>you operate. Fourth would be decision making. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously decisions happen on different time scales, But ultimately there

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<v Speaker 2>is a process that we can all develop and a

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<v Speaker 2>set of skills we can all deploy to help us

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<v Speaker 2>make more effective decisions. Things like identifying our own biases,

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<v Speaker 2>coming up with frameworks around decisions for our values, learning

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<v Speaker 2>what information to pick up and wait for or to

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<v Speaker 2>build out to make a more effective decision, when to

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<v Speaker 2>trust our intuitive expertise, and when to be slow and deliberate.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, all these things play a part in how

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<v Speaker 2>we perform. And then finally is performance under pressure. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's a set of skills that again you need whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're diffusing a bomb, shooting a free throw, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>giving a big pitch. Right, These same skills actually cut

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<v Speaker 2>across the different spaces, and so of course you teach

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<v Speaker 2>them in different contexts, but I think ultimately those are

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the core buckets are really good pformance coaching,

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<v Speaker 2>and again you touch on some of the tangential things

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<v Speaker 2>that come with that, right. You know, if you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about leadership, that might bleed into something like executive presidence,

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<v Speaker 2>where you're figuring out how you show up and be

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<v Speaker 2>more confident, right, and that's again a performance psychology skill.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if you're thinking about decision making. You might be

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about how you do things like hiring and firing,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one type of decision, but it's still related

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<v Speaker 2>to the way that you process that information. So you

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of see how you feel in all the

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<v Speaker 2>core challenges underneath those big buckets. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>rely on as my framework for the work that I do. Amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>I love how that framework really fits this broad I

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<v Speaker 3>love that so how broadly you define performance? First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, for example, I am also a parent.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think of parenting as being a performance, but

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<v Speaker 3>it is in a way, right. It's high pressure and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of times the decisions that you make have

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<v Speaker 3>long can may have long term implications, right, and you

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<v Speaker 3>don't really know in the moment right what those are.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious as to whether do you coach parents as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I've worked with a few parents. Yeah, And obviously, especially

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<v Speaker 2>if you're working with high performers and business for example,

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes those performers are also parents, and your parents is stressful, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard, and so if you're if you're in a

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<v Speaker 2>stressful situation, again, a high stage environment, there are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be some skills from performance psychology that are going

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<v Speaker 2>to help you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean the reality is right, is that

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<v Speaker 3>our lives are not as siloed as oftentimes we would

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<v Speaker 3>like them to be, and of what happens at work

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<v Speaker 3>can bleed into what happens at home and so on

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<v Speaker 3>and so forth. So I think it's really Again, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's great that this framework helps you address how

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<v Speaker 3>you show up generally, whether it is work or home.

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<v Speaker 3>So so, what sort of outcomes have you seen from

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<v Speaker 3>this type of coaching? And you know, can you can

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<v Speaker 3>you share any real coaching stories that are audience be

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<v Speaker 3>interested in learning about.

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<v Speaker 2>Can share some real stories without sharing some real names

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<v Speaker 2>that help to protect the people that I work with.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, I think a host of outcomes

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<v Speaker 2>that you can kind of associate with performance coaching. I

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<v Speaker 2>think some of the more foundational or fundamental things are

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<v Speaker 2>feeling more in control, right, having a sense that you

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<v Speaker 2>are kind of the agent and author of your own story,

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<v Speaker 2>that you have a sense of how to best execute,

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<v Speaker 2>you understand how to perform well. I think a second

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<v Speaker 2>outcome people often experience is feeling more confident, and that

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<v Speaker 2>often comes from that experience of feeling a bit more

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<v Speaker 2>in control of themselves or their situation. But it also

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<v Speaker 2>changes the way that they show up, the way that

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<v Speaker 2>they interact and are personally, the way that they communicate. Third,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is feeling more motivated. Right when you're really

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<v Speaker 2>tapped into and feel confident in the skills that you develop,

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<v Speaker 2>then pressure becomes like a privilege, right. It becomes an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to perform better versus something to be afraid of,

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<v Speaker 2>and that increases motivation. Fourth, I think you would get

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<v Speaker 2>improved leadership and communication. And broadly, you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of really good teamwork, whether it's sports or business, is

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<v Speaker 2>how you talk to your teammates. It is how you

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<v Speaker 2>interact with your teammates, and so being an effective leader,

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<v Speaker 2>being an effective communicator becomes part and parcel elevating everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>game so that you can be successful. So those I

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<v Speaker 2>think would be a few of the outcomes that you

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<v Speaker 2>could expect. And I mean, gosh, I've now worked with

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<v Speaker 2>performers across a range of spaces, but one of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite stories is I was doing some work with an

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<v Speaker 2>MBA player who struggled a bit with shooting at the

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<v Speaker 2>free throw line, which is you know, for any players

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a unique experience because you practice this skill

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<v Speaker 2>so much, but in practice you can never replicate, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand people staring at you and screaming at you

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<v Speaker 2>and hoping that you miss right if you're on an

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<v Speaker 2>away game, and so you're kind of out there in

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<v Speaker 2>a team sport on an island for a moment, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so in individual sports things like golf or tennis,

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<v Speaker 2>you get used to that performing by yourself, but in

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<v Speaker 2>basketball you can mostly perform with everyone else, and then

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<v Speaker 2>for a brief moment, everything stops and everyone's staring at you,

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<v Speaker 2>waiting to see what's going to happen and how it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to impact the game. And so a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>players get nervous. And so I had one player who

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<v Speaker 2>came and said, you know, I want to work on

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<v Speaker 2>shooting free throws. I want to get more aggressive going

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<v Speaker 2>to the basket, which is often going to mean I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna spend more time with the free throw line. It's like, okay, great,

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<v Speaker 2>well tell me a little bit about you know, what

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<v Speaker 2>you're thinking or what you're feeling when you get up there.

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<v Speaker 2>And his original approach was like, I'm just so nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in my head. I started thinking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what if I miss, what am I going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the right tactic here? What will my teammates say?

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<v Speaker 2>And my heart rate increases and my breathing increases, I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so tell me a little bit about how you deal

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<v Speaker 2>with that right now. And his solution was to spend

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time right hoping that it would just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of slow down. And what you find often is,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, for better or worse, it's actually quite

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<v Speaker 2>a common tactic right across spaces. People are just waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for it to stop, versus doing something reactively to address it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we started to think about, okay, well, what

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<v Speaker 2>it turned out that the most important thing we could address,

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<v Speaker 2>which is often true for people who feel a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of performance anxiety, is really addressing and reappraising the physiology.

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<v Speaker 2>So you kind of have two parts. You have learning

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<v Speaker 2>to do something with the actual increased adrenaline if you

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<v Speaker 2>will right, learning to control your breathing with techniques like

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<v Speaker 2>box breathing. You can practice things like mindfulness meditation that

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<v Speaker 2>help you control and direct your attention. Really, learning to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to yourself in a way that slows you down,

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<v Speaker 2>even slowing your physical movements down, so that you send

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<v Speaker 2>the message like Okay, I'm calm, and then you want

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<v Speaker 2>to reappraise that stress as something more helpful. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>we've all been socialized or conditioned into this belief that

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<v Speaker 2>stress is bad and that we should all try to

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<v Speaker 2>get stress out or away as quickly as possible. But

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<v Speaker 2>the reality is, stress itself is not harmful. Stress is

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<v Speaker 2>just your brain and body preparing you to do something effortful.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you change the way that you think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>we have all this data that shows if you appraise

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<v Speaker 2>stressors as a challenge versus a threat, then all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, the physiology becomes excitement, it becomes focused, it

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<v Speaker 2>becomes determination, not oh my goodness, I'm about to melt

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<v Speaker 2>down at the free throw line. So we worked on

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<v Speaker 2>some of these skills, and then early on in my career,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we were in COVID and so there were

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<v Speaker 2>times when we had no fans and times when we

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<v Speaker 2>had some fans. But one of the privileges of the

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<v Speaker 2>experience was getting to watch, you know, all these basketball

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<v Speaker 2>games from up close and personal, and at one point,

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<v Speaker 2>this player just looked at me at the free throw

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<v Speaker 2>line and winked, and I was like, Okay, he kind

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<v Speaker 2>of got it. And so those are the cool experiences

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<v Speaker 2>you get to have in my world. Then I've had,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, very similar experiences with executives who feel empowered

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<v Speaker 2>when they give a pitch or feel like they're operating

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<v Speaker 2>with their team at a high level deploying these skills.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what makes this work so fun is you

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<v Speaker 2>get to see people in action be the best that

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<v Speaker 2>they can be.

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<v Speaker 3>That was That's a wonderful story. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 3>for being here with us today and sharing that story.

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<v Speaker 3>And the one thought I would love to leave us

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<v Speaker 3>with is this the idea that pressure become a privilege

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<v Speaker 3>because you are motivated in the confidence that you have

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<v Speaker 3>built by working with Coach Alex. Thank you so much

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